balance-feedback-discussion

[worthy steeple]

2v1 sounds fair

[crimson crater]

my guy 2 tenos will most likely be able to kill an allo fairly easy

[crimson crater]

ceratos on a corpse shouldn’t require 3

[worthy steeple]

i doubt that

[topaz elm]

like im willing to reason, in a 1v1 cerato should have maybe a 15% chance of winning and thats just because logically, what will happen is cera gets grabbed and mauled

[edgy crow]

Why?

[topaz elm]

35% if it has bacteria and thats generous

[edgy crow]

Fair enough.

[crimson crater]

2 decent tenos can kill a dibble, assuming allo will be weaker than it i don’t see why not

[topaz elm]

but a 2v1 i would say shifts it into ceras favor immensely because allo is meant to take down singular targets

[worthy steeple]

cera on corpse doesn’t mean auto win.

like actually, don’t expect to win 1v1 against an allo lmao, literally a killing machine against the scavenger. consider the weight difference and allo bias too

[topaz elm]

what will happen is allo grabs a cera and the other cera just mauls the living hell out of the allo

[worthy steeple]

2v1 on corpse sounds fair, 1v1 is just not realistic

if ceras will body bully allos there’s something wrong with the balance

[topaz elm]

I really dont think so

[crimson crater]

scavenger≠weak, things being able to punch up ain’t so bad, saying this as a future allo main lol

[worthy steeple]

omg, well tbh i might play as an allo a lot, i expect it to be good as solo dino too. tho pack hunting would be amazing

[topaz elm]

listen somethings just arent winnable and directly playing into another creatures strengths really puts allosaurus on a losing or slippery side

with how bacteria would play into this, one or two good bites takes a good chunk of allo's stamina, leaves it open for attack, and reduces its diets
even if cerato isnt winning this you cant say it wont get the allo down to at the least orange/late yellow

[worthy steeple]

yes, scavenger doesn’t necessary mean weak, but cmon, all cera has with the body buff is more hp, it doesn’t matter when you can just pin it. or i honestly doubt cera will do more samage than the allo. cera will definitely be a greater threat near the bodies, but 1v1ing an allo is just.. ehh

[keen plover]

Cerato currently can get pinned on a body. I don't think that should change

[worthy steeple]

yeah, why should it?

[topaz elm]

well cheesy you got to look at all the buffs cerato has with the body buff

[worthy steeple]

50% bleed and damage resistance with the max body buff

even then i don’t see it winning in 1v1

[topaz elm]

cerato is also resistant to grappling/pouncing opponents

[worthy steeple]

it’s not

thankfully

[topaz elm]

really? i remember it being resistant to pouncers specifically so it could steal from utahs/omnis

[crimson crater]

i mean its a situational ability and it wouldn’t make it oppressive, 50/50

[keen plover]

resistant to their bleed

[worthy steeple]

if it’s like really close to the body it’s resistant to most of the stuns, tho not the dibbles or like stegos. but teno can’t knockdown it

[worthy steeple]

tbf even if cera gets it i expect an allos to camp the spot until ceras move or eat the body and then just come back and kill them lol

[crimson crater]

shift + W:

[topaz elm]

Couldn’t cera also tank a Stego swing? I feel old

[worthy steeple]

in the past, yeah. if it was eating it had like 99% damage resistance, but that got changed thankfully.

it could just stop mid fight and eat to heal lmao

[topaz elm]

Yeah I expect Cerato to have a much higher stamina pool than allo, just because of its size and speed it should be able to bring most prey down fast, but if it over exerts itself cera should still have much more stamina

[edgy crow]

gastronomic regeneration moment

[worthy steeple]

yeah.. after the healing changes it’s even more meta now

[topaz elm]

Why would you not take Gastro as the creature with an infinite stomach

[worthy steeple]

and i actually use it now to fight the cera mega packs lol, because without it its almost impossible, as a solo teno in a hotspot you’re usually in a constant fight

[topaz elm]

I play a lot of Diablo and I have to learn to work against it

[worthy steeple]

my current kill streak as the eu4 teno

hehe 👹👹👹

funny how i killed 0 carnos lmaoo

[edgy crow]

going from red health to blue health with a boar as a sub adult omni is peak gameplay /j

[crimson crater]

pray u don’t encounter me /j

[worthy steeple]

they’re extinct

[edgy crow]

they know their niche

[worthy steeple]

pfff, i will kick your ass 🔥💩

[worthy steeple]

they really do

[edgy crow]

don't think it don't say it

[crimson crater]

they have no other choice now that they are push overs😔

[worthy steeple]

-# skill issue👹👹👹

not me 2v1ing ceratos on body

[edgy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1329628833518977034/small_game_hunter.gif

[maiden ginkgo]

Not gonna lie, that would be awesome.

[viscid mica]

On a game side sense it’s not all IRL based a lot of these would be bigger or smaller if it was

By huge margins

[worthy steeple]

i wonder who was paying the rent if they lived together

[worthy steeple]

well i tested this in survival, this is how it looks like.

even if i run after the cera i just can’t really do anything to it.
i have another video with me running after like 80% cera that was slower than me. i bit it maybe 30-40 times and it did nothing since tail hits reduce like 90-99% of the damage. and after the chase it decided to turn and it still took me one headhot and 2 body shot kicks to kill it.

so what that means is it’s basically impossible to chase a cera. and if you use your attack at least once you will never outrun it, not to mention that it can easily lose you in the trees and bushes, it can go to the water where it has an advantage of alt bites and it can also make you vomit and that will make you lose even more stamina chasing you.

on the other hand, if cera chases the teno it will most likely be able to do it, the only way to survive the chase is never vomit or use your attacks, that way you will be able to outrun it.

and the most important thing is this happening is very rare, you don’t see tenos doing that lmao, what you see instead is cerato hordes running around the map.

@crimson crater i hope you will finally stop this discussion and accept you were wrong.

[hasty coyote]

teno does have the slight speed advantage (so a cera thats too far to hit it will never hit it). teno can also use bushes like cera, though its a bit more difficult with that massive tail, but you can use them to hide your attacks and hit the cera back. 1 combo is enough to make a cera bleed bad if it keeps chasing, and 2 is enough to bleed it out if it keeps running. Plus, teno does have one tool that cera does not have: jump. While its minimal, its enough to get teno up on rocks that cera can't reach.

[worthy steeple]

yes, the whole talk was about ceras suffering from angry tenos running after them and killing them, which is arguably not true lol

and it’s quite opposite

[hasty coyote]

honestly, I'd say cera v teno is about as fair as a matchup can get. Tbh, I think its cera sided atm because teno received so many shadow nerfs. Its main combo (tail slam into kick) now deals as much damage as a single charged bite .

[elder steppe]

Im gonna disagree, cause I absolutely suck with teno. You will not find anyone who is more bad at teno than me, that I can tell you. Gestures wildly with hands

[worthy steeple]

yeah lol.

[worthy steeple]

ahah, with the amount of buffs cera got and an amount of nerfs teno received and the fact that you need 10 times the skill as the teno to do something cera can easily do makes matchup kinda cera sided

[elder steppe]

Oh yeah, teno has a much higher skill ceiling. I always mix up all the attacks then die

[worthy steeple]

tho ofc the skill matters and my usual fights with the average cera players always end up with me being yellow health and cera dead

[worthy steeple]

xddd

it’s okay, you can always practice to get even better

[elder steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-campbell-hahaha-laughing-laugh-luxury-gif-13447647

[steep otter]

The teno shadow nerfs WERE NOT NEEDED AT ALL

[hasty coyote]

Well yeah, if you're bad at teno, you're gonna die. But same for the cera, because it just gets stunlocked and dies.

[elder steppe]

Lol im just joking around lol

double lol

[steep otter]

True, but cera is MUCH more forgiving

[hasty coyote]

genuinely, teno has been the golden standard for how balance should be

[steep otter]

If you miss your charged bite you are fine, but if you miss your tail slam you are in for some pain

[hasty coyote]

its also just more forgiving playable in general tbf, but a good teno will absolutely shred your average cera.

[steep otter]

True, in a 1v1 especialy

The issue begins when its 2 or more ceras, but thats fair

[hasty coyote]

yeah that goes for everything. 2 dinos is 10x stronger than 1 dino.

[maiden temple]

Teno relies heavily on low ping of both people in the fight + the server's tick rate as well

It's honestly well balanced as a playable but ffs if the opponent has high ping you're dead, no matter how good you are

Just a mini rant

Also cera charged bite should use stam, I'm amazed it's not suggested more

[worthy steeple]

people did suggest it like million times, untill an allo is in the game they wont nerf the cera, because the game kinda needs something overbuffed like cera to hunt the current herbivore roster

but yeah i agree with the desync and ping part, probably the most annoying thing to deal with

[twilit roost]

Do dilo clones benefit from damage mutations?

[spiral kindle]

@topaz elm Stego rn is actually very overtuned its weight is supposed to be 4 tons

[hasty coyote]

iirc, yes, because the damage mutations affect bite damage and the clones scale off bite damage.

[hasty coyote]

from what I can tell, the game has a "favor the shooter" hit detection. So if you hit on your side, you do hit. Though if there is very bad rubber banding, then yeah thats going to cause issues, but thats the case for pretty much every dino.

[spiral kindle]

So you guys just question mark ❓ me without telling me why I’m wrong

[hasty coyote]

what basis do you have for that?

like nowhere is stego 4 tons

it literally got power swing to that it can deal with apexes, that was the whole point of it being aimed up like it is. Its perfectly head-level with rex

[spiral kindle]

Stego was 4 tons for a while when it came out then got buffed to 6 tons

And irl Stego was around 4 tons too

[hasty coyote]

and omni was 1 ton, now weights and hp values got an overhaul and are generally equal.

[edgy crow]

If stego was 4 tonnes it would probably die to Rex

[spiral kindle]

I’m still not wrong tho the guy I was talking too said that Stego is downsized when it’s just not true

So maybe not question mark me if you don’t understand

[stark knoll]

It's not meant to be 4 tons, that's why it's 6 tons

[spiral kindle]

Nothing to do with Stego… irl cera was like not even a ton

[stark knoll]

When stego was 4 tons, omni weighed 1000kg

Then weights and health were given an overhaul

[hasty coyote]

I'm saying the old weight values were all over the place and not a good justification for what we have now.

[spiral kindle]

No reason for Stego to be 6 tons in this current roster

[dusky surge]

What reason is there for deino to be 8 tons in this current roster?

[hasty coyote]

against the current things, it is overkill, and tbh stego should not be in the game atm. However, it should be balanced like it needs to be, otherwise its just fodder when rex comes and has to be entirely rebalanced again. Plus, having stego be as strong as it is now shows how the matchups between stego and the smaller roster will likely go at the end.

[maiden temple]

Yup, hitting people on your right side seems to be a good way of landing any and all attacks

[maiden temple]

Both stego and deino feel like they were added too early, luckily the rest of the roster doesn't have to fight them

The slow kings are fine just existing

[spiral kindle]

That’s stupid idc what the playable was designed to do I care about what it can do deino and Stego are just flawed

[hasty coyote]

except deino, everyone has to deal with deino

[maiden temple]

Naah, only initially. Then you learn where to drink

Same as hills and ditches

Gotta fall in a few times, then you know where they are

Or how long to wait before you drink

That's my go to because I'm too lazy to find shallows

[hasty coyote]

deino is 100% flawed in its design in general, that I will agree on, but its likely not for the same reason.

Stego and deino would inevitably be this strength as other larger dinos are added. So no matter what, the smaller roster we have now would get bullied by them and other large dino the exact same way. Its better to see what will happen now, so that major imbalances doesnt get overshadowed and dismissed later.

Honestly I'm more scared of allo than any apex, because allo still has enough strength to bully the smalls, but also has a lot more speed.

[spiral kindle]

I still think dilo and cera will be good allo isn’t gonna just wipe the whole competition

[worthy steeple]

yeah, deino got a lot of issues. i honestly don’t like its design at all, it feels like balancing something like deino to be fair for both sides is impossible.

so deino players grow for 6-7 hours or even more to die to another canni croc and start again, even if they somehow survive all they do is sit in the water and occasionally press m2. even the deino vs deino is hella boring and basically just m1 clicking or alt biting on land.

if we look from the prey perspective the deino is easily avoidable, outside of some ponds every spot on the map has a safe spots to drink, which means the only way the deino can kill you if you’re a new player and don’t know about deinos existence. because let’s be honest even semi-experienced player almost never dies to a deino.

so we have a situation where adding safe spots to drink is super unfair towards the deino and removing them is super unfair towards its prey.

another reason deino sucks is it being the only semi-aquatic in the game that is not a microscopic tiny tier, it doesn’t have any competition outside of other deinos, there’s nothing to hunt in water, there’s nothing really to do.

[worthy steeple]

right now the deino is just an annoying creature that forces you to run to the nearest safe every half an hour instead of drinking where you want, that’s basically it

[hasty coyote]

dilo is fine, that man is fast. I'm more worried about cera and teno, but as long as allo is like 37-ish they should be fine.

[worthy steeple]

i would really love to see any deino improvements or something, but it’s the playable i don’t even know how to properly balance for it to be fun to be and to interact with

[vale brook]

allo murder sprint incoming

[dusky surge]

god i hope murder sprint isnt just code language for ambush coming back for specifically larger creatures

[worthy steeple]

i like how they added ambush mechanic without adding ambush mechanic, because they know everyone hates it xd

[vale brook]

that's what it seems to be for rex so far, but without the need for crouching

[dusky surge]

genuinely wonder how that's going to work mechanically

[vale brook]

i hit BOTH shifts!

[dusky surge]

Gearshift niche

[worthy steeple]

i like that tbh, i hate legacy crouching fights.

i think the way it will probably work is you will be faster with the ambush but a lot less agile and you will lose more stamina ambush running

[dusky surge]

https://tenor.com/view/instant-gearshift-shift-shifting-gears-gif-9940383

[hasty coyote]

I'm fine with the long growtime and boring playstyle, thats kinda in the nature of a giant croc, and it is occasionalyl fun to play a more sedentary life. Plus when you do get those lunges its super good.

My main issue is that you are either immune to deino because you abuse a spot it can't reach, or you just die with 0 counterplay. In a perfect world they would fix all or at least most the safe drinking spots so that deino can still get to them, but make more water sources more clear (rivers can stay murky) and movement ripples more prominent so a deino that isnt hiding is clearly visible. So deinos have to at least stay still or move slow and hide to catch someone, players have to keep a close eye out, and deinos arent hard countered by just denying interaction.

[worthy steeple]

how do you think it will work?

[worthy steeple]

well yeah, that maybe could work, idk really..

[spiral kindle]

No allo will be like 38km

Allo will not be faster than teno or cera

Ambush speed yes 100%

[vale brook]

murder sprint requires gas pedal controllers down at your feet to activate

rex controls like a truck and by golly YOU WILL PLAY IT LIKE A TRUCK RAGHH

[dusky surge]

play the isle with a steering wheel, you say?

noted

[worthy steeple]

LMAOOO

[worthy steeple]

i will cry if someone would actually do that

[dusky surge]

i'm considering it

[worthy steeple]

record it

[maiden temple]

Drift with your carno

[worthy steeple]

lmao real

[fiery shard]

unfortunately that's true. deino gameplay is “wait 3-4 hours and maybe someone will drink near you”. basically we're just waiting for new players, of which there aren't many. the experienced players always drink where there is no crocs.
but deino vs deino pvp is not just spamming alt. u have to be able to dodge enemy attacks to the head, etc

[iron tree]

@glass harbor Google is not a valid source and cera is way slower than Carno

And charge exists

[crimson crater]

i won’t because i’m right, i’ve already tested it out for myself.
vomit makes you lose approximately 5-7% stam which means you will still have enough to run them down.

funny how you sent a clip of you chasing a cera for 2 second as if that disproves my point lol, my premise was that they can keep up untill the cera exhausts

[crimson crater]

skill issue if you get run down by ceras as a teno when you’re faster on land in water, have more stam and can jump on rocks to escape them

[worthy steeple]

you’re hopeless

it doesn’t matter how good are my arguments or how yours dont make any sense, you never give up

[crimson crater]

so let me get this straight
if i disagree and don’t believe your non existent proof that makes me stubborn but you aren’t

[worthy steeple]

well, i showed you how it looks like in actual survival, i explained to you why it won’t work and how the cera can easily run away and you want to argue with me with no video proof or anything?

[crimson crater]

i literally asked u to hop on a test server so that i could show you but u refused for obvious reasons🤷‍♂️ all talk but the moment you’re asked to prove it u back out as usual

[worthy steeple]

just spitting nonsense lmao

[worthy steeple]

if you actually read this message it should be pretty clear that you’re wrong

[crimson crater]

you were literally right behind the cera. just keep up with it untill it runs out not difficult

[worthy steeple]

i tested that in actual game, on official server. which is even better

[crimson crater]

why did u stop the pursuit 2 seconds into the clip lol

[worthy steeple]

didn’t work, i ran out of stamina before i could kill it. and it ran to the dense bushes where it could easily hide from me

[worthy steeple]

if you read the message there’s me talking about chasing sub cera that is slower than me and even after million bites it still took 3 kicks to kill it when it decided to turn and attack

[crimson crater]

that was a sub cera and it has more stam, that still dosen’t prove ur point

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

• Making pounce 15% faster sounds like at that point it's going to be the ultimate tool for accidentally dying on literally any hill or incline
• Troodon's health is fine. It doesn't need to break the only consistent rule about durability for whatever reason
• Pretty sure pounce has always been 5% idk what this is all about
• Troodon being quieter is fine
• Venom lasting longer is also fine

[worthy steeple]

you were saying that teno can just run after the cera and bite and deal huge damage with that, which is not true and i proved it

you were also saying that teno can chase the cera down and kill it which is not true as well

because teno uses stam for the attacks, vomit takes stam. teno can’t track, there’s million reasons why it’s impossible

i proved it in survival, i couldn’t do it. now i can’t wait for you to show me how’s that possible to do lmao, or how you died to that at least once

[crimson crater]

do you have selective memory, i’ve already stated multiple times that tenos kill ceras by simply staying on their tail until they run out of stam, the bite can also help and be useful to stack some dmg up

[worthy steeple]

if you got chased by the teno and died that’s on you lmao. i have no idea how that happened to you

and if that didn’t happen to you you’re talking about something entirely theoretical. something that i tested myself and it didn’t work.

[crimson crater]

no point i’m arguing this with u if you’re not willing to let me show u, vomiting dosent take much stam

[worthy steeple]

and i tested that, doesn’t work. you dont do any damage biting tip of the tail. read my message for more info

you need to concentrate and read it

[crimson crater]

no you did not test it, you gave up the chase 1 second into the video LMAO

[worthy steeple]

first of all it’s more than enough. secondly teno uses stam for attacks

[worthy steeple]

i didn’t lol? who said i gave up? i did chase it after

[crimson crater]

negligible, 2% and if it runs out you can just use the front alt

[crimson crater]

no proof of that

[worthy steeple]

teno will run out of stam before it could chase the cera down and it can’t track

[worthy steeple]

do you got any proofs of yours? xd

[crimson crater]

tracking dosent matter when you’re right behind it

[worthy steeple]

my proof is testing stuff in game, your proof is something absolutely theoretical lmao

[crimson crater]

that’s why i’m requesting you to come on a test server

[worthy steeple]

than never even happened to you i bet

and doubt happened to anyone

[crimson crater]

nah i’ve tested it with some people

[worthy steeple]

with what people?

[maiden temple]

What's happening xD

[worthy steeple]

and what server?

[crimson crater]

@idle meteor yesterday

[worthy steeple]

and? what happened? and what you were testing?

[crimson crater]

if a teno can chase down a cera.

he had bile and made me vomit then i started chasing, he tried to lose me in some bushes and made some distance but it wasn’t enough.
he then ran out of stam and i did the same shortly after.
trotted him down and started to facetank

[fiery shard]

alt bite. it was invented long ago. there's a legend that it helps when you get stabbed in the back

[maiden temple]

Sounds overaggro and ridiculolusly risky

[worthy steeple]

alright, but did that EVER happen to you in the game? that’s a first question.

and nothing stops from making you vomit more times, it takes literally just one bite.

nothing stops from going into the water where cera has alt bites.

[crimson crater]

cera’s alt bite is significantly slower than tenos

[fiery shard]

cera kills the teno very easily. if teno vomits, it can take two blows to the head

[worthy steeple]

and the second question is why would anyone do that? lol. again, it’s something that can happen in theory, but it just sounds so unrealistic

[dusky surge]

i think i have an idea to really punish those tenos who think its a good idea to run after you and nip your tail

charged alt-bite baby it only continues to prove its worth

another point for charged alt-bite

[crimson crater]

i’ve already answered this, no because i usually have friends with me.

btw this happening to me or not dosen’t prove ur point

[worthy steeple]

and them not losing you in the trees and dense forest is kinda weird, since it’s pretty easy to do. cera is not that big and it’s easy to lose the teno in any dense bush i

[crimson crater]

alt bites are a big no when fighting stuff like a teno, they can punish you

[maiden temple]

Not true at all, teno needs 1 well placed tail, cera is down, then 2 kicks. Then teno can just scratch to win

[dusky surge]

if your alt-bite does 300+ damage than idk i feel like they become less of a big no

[maiden temple]

Whether I puke or not won't matter

[crimson crater]

cera has also loud footsteps and is easy to track

[worthy steeple]

it does, that never ever happened to anyone, because that’s not how people play this game.

[worthy steeple]

crouch

[crimson crater]

you’re gonna trade 345 dmg for 625 in most cases

[crimson crater]

crouch when the teno is right on ur tail lol

[worthy steeple]

i’ve never ever heard about the tenos chasing down ceras problem

[fiery shard]

two kicks? lol¿¿¿ cera quietly survives 3

[dusky surge]

not if its a charged alt-bite. You aren't slowly turning around, you're hitting like a nuke and fast

[worthy steeple]

takes 4-5 kick headhots to kill a cera

depends if it has a mutation or not

[fiery shard]

ye, this. not 2 lmao

[crimson crater]

damn cheesy, i showed u a 1 hour clip of that happening but you’re still in raw denial because you can’t handle being debunked.
cope

[keen plover]

erm guys dino game!

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[maiden temple]

You're on the floor and kicks land on your head, a headkick from a teno is 412 damage

[worthy steeple]

so in that video tenos running after the ceras, wasting all the stamina and alt biting it to death? that’s what’s happening?

no. lol

[crimson crater]

will the charged alt bite be the same as the normal one (because ceras regular alt is slow and locks it in place)

[keen plover]

is this with mutations as well or

tactile messes with the matchup

[worthy steeple]

oh we don’t count the mutations in this discussion

[dusky surge]

yea but its charged

[crimson crater]

you don’t necessarily have to alt bite them to death

[worthy steeple]

erm, you don’t have stam, does teno have any other attacks?

[crimson crater]

i don’t think its going to be good against anything but carnos-raptors

[worthy steeple]

well you said i got debunked because you posted some random video that is completely unrelated to the discussion

[crimson crater]

it was hypothetical, that’s why i said even if it runs out it can still get the job done

[dusky surge]

well that's good because those are some of the things cera needs to be contesting with to possess a corpse

[maiden temple]

This is a very silly situation, playing teno that aggressively should be punishable

[crimson crater]

according to what?

[worthy steeple]

no, because that never happens on survival, no one does this, it’s purely theoretical.

not to mention i gave you million reasons why it’s impossible

[dusky surge]

corpse bully wee hee

[worthy steeple]

not really, herbivore doesn’t mean peaceful. herbivores can be very harsh, especially when they got babies or protecting someone.

but teno is already designed the way that it can only be defensive

[crimson crater]

“no one does this” prove it, getting sick and tired of you using isle players to prove a point.

playables capabilities ≠ player behavior

[maiden temple]

Chasing a carni that has a free supernuke attack until you yourself have no stamina is beyond silly

[worthy steeple]

i’m yet to hear or see anyone doing this, not a single time anyone did this lol

[maiden temple]

That's no self preservation skills

[worthy steeple]

yes, exactly

[crimson crater]

teno has more stam

[worthy steeple]

no one does this. it’s theoretical

[crimson crater]

prove it

[maiden temple]

It does, slightly more speed too

[crimson crater]

i have done it🤷‍♂️

[worthy steeple]

20 more seconds of running. it uses stam for attacks, you take away the stam with the bacteria

[maiden temple]

And thank the dino lords because it used to be reversed and it was bs

[worthy steeple]

which means usually the teno has less stam

you do one combo and you have a lot less stam than the cera

[crimson crater]

even with bacteria u will be able to kick once or twice

[worthy steeple]

not to mention you might not even hit the cera, you might just waste the stam for nothing

[crimson crater]

friendly reminder that tenos strongest attack takes 2% stam

[worthy steeple]

have you tested that? didn’t you say you ran out of stam and trotted them down lol?

and it’s in perfect 1v1 scenario

[crimson crater]

yes because i skilll issue’d and he made some distance

[worthy steeple]

it never happens in survival

[dusky surge]

imma be honest if a cerato is letting a tenonto literally nip it to death that's pretty indicative of the stae of cerato players lmao, but i dont really expect much from cerato players nowadays

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[dusky surge]

you do anything that isn't predictable or formulaic and they shut down

[crimson crater]

they can fight back for sure just saying if cera gets overly nerfed tenos will be able to chase them down

[worthy steeple]

this is so true ahah

[crimson crater]

the current cera players are not real ones

[worthy steeple]

i’m yet to see a single real one tho

[crimson crater]

actually nvm, random players are just bad in general

[dusky surge]

its not even cerato players fault, it's just the animal is so easy and accessible with a powerful kit that literally anyone of any skill floor can play it.

[crimson crater]

simple solution, bring back that little lunge on its charged bite

[dusky surge]

dont do that lol

like idk why you're obsessed with this clunky-ass lunge that made it feel worse to use

it feels bad on pachy, it felt bad on cera

idk why we wanna commit to this

[crimson crater]

because it made it take skill and it didn’t feel so clunky

[dusky surge]

it doesn't make it take skill really, it just made it suck more lol

[maiden temple]

Cera can juke so well you can get a panicky teno to half stam before you land your first bite

[worthy steeple]

i think it's more about cera mindset, they think every fight is gonna be an easy win. that's why they're so mad every time they're getting one shotted by a stego

[crimson crater]

btw with your suggestion cera won’t really require more skill

[dusky surge]

i think its just new players gravitate to the big, generic powerful carnivore

[dusky surge]

okay lol

im not out here advocating for super skilled cera, im advocating for cera that fulfils its niche

cera can be unskilled that's entirely fine

[worthy steeple]

it’s bad tho

[dusky surge]

it doesn't NEED to be skilled

[maiden temple]

Cera could be tankier but slower, I wouldn't mind 😛

[crimson crater]

easy mode is boring

[maiden temple]

Make it stay on the bodies

[worthy steeple]

isn’t what cera is rn? lol

[dusky surge]

some animals can and should be easy dinosaurs to understand and play because that allows players to ease themselves into the games mechanics. Cerato is extremely easy to understand, with its more complex mechanics revolving around scavenging

[crimson crater]

yea just like teno

[worthy steeple]

i can’t name any other dino that is easier to fight as or grow

[dusky surge]

teno is not half as easy as cera that's a complete pisstake lol

[worthy steeple]

you think that will make me mad and that’s cute lol

[dusky surge]

like that's genuine ragebait at that point because teno has always been one of the game's most skill-oriented animals since update 1

[crimson crater]

takes 1 brain cell to operate with it

[dusky surge]

literal pisstake

just actively seeking a rise at this point

[maiden temple]

Teno has a high skill ceiling because it relies on precision

[crimson crater]

i think i did get u mad if you try and get on my nerves with your response no?

[worthy steeple]

you wish xdd

[crimson crater]

might just be subjective, fairly easy to me with the stuns etc helping out immensely

[fiery shard]

I'd also remove ceras gastro mutation. if there is a group ceras, the wounded always go to eat a corpse or AI and then come back, if not with full hp, then 50% for sure

[worthy steeple]

you trying to insult me or like make me mad all the time just shows how mad you are and that’s funny honestly

[crimson crater]

“cera should only be able to charged bite in a trot”

[dusky surge]

just remove gastro in general

[fiery shard]

ye

[worthy steeple]

just so you know every time we argue i’m sitting here and giggling

[crimson crater]

if you keep responding it shows you do care

[maiden temple]

Yeah some mutations are a bit much

[worthy steeple]

with the healing changes gastro became even more meta and i hate it sm

but even i use it right now.. hotspots can be a constant fight, so you’re forced to use it

[maiden temple]

Same with speed altering mutations

[crimson crater]

what can i do with that information

[fiery shard]

like the hunger mutation that raises dmg deino to 600+

[worthy steeple]

stop trying to make me mad? because it’s clearly not working lol

[worthy steeple]

💀💀💀 oh

[crimson crater]

i’m not trying but sure

[worthy steeple]

tbf is one of the worst ones out there, damage buffs are too op

and i think the worst one is the hydrodynamic, 15% speed buff is just too meta for the deino, you have to use it

[maiden temple]

Hardcoded stats like HP, speed, damage and stam should not be modifiable this way honestly. They could have trade offs but not this. It creates meta builds and I hate having to take speed muts just to survive a cera encounter

[worthy steeple]

yeah ofc xd
you can lie to me, but don’t lie to yourself

[fiery shard]

I'm a pvp croc. so I believe in mutations for damage (for now)

[worthy steeple]

i totally agree with that

[maiden temple]

I'd love if it was trading weight (HP) for speed, it makes sense and is both rewarding and punishing at the same time

[crimson crater]

you still keep going desperate trying to get a reaction out of me, i’ll give u your due credit. it worked

[worthy steeple]

i mean, it would be better if you could choose the other mutations and just have fun with cool combinations instead of going for meta, because otherwise you will put yourself in a disadvantage

[dusky surge]

that sounds honestly as bad as the other speed muts

that just genuinely causes even more balance concerns

[worthy steeple]

i’d rather just remove all the speed/hp/damage mutations

[maiden temple]

It doesn't, it makes you squishier in exchange for speed, rn you get speed for free

[worthy steeple]

tho i found hydrodynamic very fun for something like teno or maia, tho deino having it is obviously not the same

[fiery shard]

I would remove the hunger damage mutation from the game. it's a very strong meta. if this mutation doesn't happen, I'll gladly choose hydrodynamic

[dusky surge]

ESPECIALLY with things like Congenital Hypoalgesia. Become smaller, faster, then get a 15% damage resist to your own kind

[dusky surge]

But you're faster, and I say speed is far more important than health

[worthy steeple]

15% damage reduction is so bad.

i hate it sm

[dusky surge]

A speed mutation cera being squishier doesn't matter if pachy still can't hope to kill it

Pachy stll can't run and still can't fight

[maiden temple]

Cong should be based on default dino stat, not a modified one in game

[dusky surge]

Cong should just be erased

One of the worst mutations to be added that everyone seems to ignore

[worthy steeple]

which one is it again?

[dusky surge]

15% damage resist to larger species

[worthy steeple]

YES i hate it.

[maiden temple]

I only ever use it on smaller playables tbf

[worthy steeple]

it’s the number one in my “awful mutations” tier list

[maiden temple]

Where it barely makes a difference for me ;_;

[dusky surge]

Of course you do, it's literally meta for those smaller playables

Why would you sacrifice that?

[worthy steeple]

unrelated, but i survived deinos bite as a troodon.

it was a tip of the tail hit

[maiden temple]

xD

[worthy steeple]

lucky to be alive..

[maiden temple]

Well a cera made my hypsi vomit the other day

I still wonder how

[cosmic pelican]

Imagine what the deino was thinking after
"This rat survived a whole BITE?!"

[worthy steeple]

😳

[worthy steeple]

AHAHAHA

[dusky surge]

doing the math, yea, it would've done 50 damage if it were a tailtip bite

which means with 60 health, you would BARELY survive it

[worthy steeple]

HELL YEAH

[fiery shard]

[maiden temple]

Also the mut that makes your stam take damage instead of HP when falling is so ridiculous for herra

I go ham launching myself around

[dusky surge]

idk i really like that one

it used to be just a hard increase to how far you fall before taking damage

now it actually has some strategy and unique application

[maiden temple]

Nah, missing my gigantic drops should be punished. I pass on my failing genes instead

all my babies had it too

I wonder if keeping it on my carnos could make them live longer

Gravity kills me more than anything else

[dusky surge]

there's one dude who runs it on basically everything because he doesnt trust himself not to launch off a cliff and you'd be surprised how much it saves him

[maiden temple]

but then I sacrifice speed or damage

[maiden temple]

I believe it xD

[dusky surge]

and this is what i hate about these mutations

you try something new? well too bad, wrong choices

[maiden temple]

yeah..

[dusky surge]

it's either the right answer or the fun answer

[maiden temple]

I hate being tied to the speed mut. I already only use one and hide at night just to try out other things. It's still annoying

[maiden temple]

I think I found out how the cera made my hypsi puke

Just had a fight with another sniper cera on teno, made me puke from afar while I took no damage

does he really require all that to beat a silly teno

[spiral kindle]

Teno is ez

Once you learn teno basics it's super easy

[slim dragon]

I think it would be balanced if the health reduction was something like 50%

[spiral kindle]

It saves me all the time

[maiden temple]

Dwarfism >:D

https://youtu.be/AQ9dlfVpWxI Enjoy my pain lol. My teno mothered a lot of babus for a week straight just to die like this xD

Straight after fighting off a cera+dilo+2 raptors groups as well. I wrecked the cera, got dilo low and had raptors hover

[keen plover]

LOL Quick get up hack. Literally dealt with the same bs

Honestly if you see a cerato, expect it to be a hacker

[maiden temple]

I was wondering if he was hitting my tail somehow but nah, that was proper damage

[keen plover]

range hacks still exist

They have it all tbh. Not one weakness nowadays with hacks

[maiden temple]

Well they pay a lot to have access to these so ig they're like why limit myself

[keen plover]

True. I wish we had whitelisted officials

Maybe a server or 2 :(

[maiden temple]

I'd prefer a good anticheat, a kernel level one, even though everyone hate it

I'm not sure if Easy evolved yet, but it seems to have major holes so I assume not

[keen plover]

I don't really know much about it. All I hear about it is the "risks"

and that it's universally hated

[dusky surge]

kernel level is NOT popular

[maiden temple]

Nope, but it seems to work for titles that decided to use it
It's just risky because of how much access it requires on our end

Basically gotta trust the anticheat creators with your machine

In the era of 'how can I make even more money'

[viscid mica]

It’s your pay for baby killing XD

[maiden temple]

Silly thing to say

[keen plover]

🤔

i'm confused wha

[worthy steeple]

oh that guy was cheating lol

you can still report if you have the id

and recording

that’s why i never play at the highlands, it’s like worst place on the map

[maiden temple]

It's my fav spot, I get some fights, there are spots that are hard to access - like the little bit I was standing on, and there's safe water :c

I have 2 hidden spots to nest too

Sadly did not record

I forget it's a thing

[worthy steeple]

i usually avoid the hotspots, but i stay at the places where ceras spawn and grow to commit some war crimes lmao

one night i legit killed 7fg ceras

they multiply so fast tho

[warm flax]

lost my fg deino to 4 cera using hacks swimming above me and nibble me to death
and can not be grabbed

[maiden temple]

That's a pain

[warm flax]

hope that chinese group ( checked their steam id and profile) got dealt with, cause no admin ask for replay after I tagged them

[viscid mica]

Her video she said she killed a ton of babus

[slim dragon]

Killing babies in The Isle is an act of mercy

[fiery shard]

don't think so. they're still on eu 4

[viscid mica]

Dam

[spiral kindle]

YEah thats a hacker

I have went up against a cera like that also

[maiden temple]

Learn to read friend

[spiral kindle]

Where you playing on officials?

[keen plover]

😭

[keen plover]

Bruh

[maiden temple]

yup, I think that was EU1

[keen plover]

Idk why but that makes me want to play deino

[maiden temple]

I miss playing ptera and hunting all the lil carnos :c

[spiral kindle]

Rip then yeah not much you can do that's why i play on Petits Peids so you can just create a ticket and provide there user id with the f2 replay thing i got a range hacking stego banned yesterday

[maiden temple]

I got burnt out playing on private servers honestly. I can't deal with the drama, rules being bent for family and friends, plus power tripping

[spiral kindle]

Fair.

[maiden temple]

I tried Petits and liked a lot about it, but yh. Just don't wanna deal with all that 😄

[viscid mica]

I’m illiterate XD

[maiden temple]

Assuming the worst about me!

[viscid mica]

I THOUGHT IT SAID KILLED

[maiden temple]

lol

[viscid mica]

[spiral kindle]

Omni needs a bleed output buff , Raw dmg is just better 90% of the time back in spiro i would kill most of my prey through bleed now it's the exact opposite

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message I think that some slight increase to speed wouldn’t hurt, but to use google or even what was accurate for the real carnotaurus is a pretty bad reasoning

[spiral kindle]

Carno does not need a speed increase all it needs is a reduced growth time

to match cerato

[dusky surge]

good news it's getting that

[spiral kindle]

Getting what?

Reduced growth Qol to match cerato

[spiral kindle]

If so good

[dusky surge]

yea reduced growth

[spiral kindle]

Are you sure that is confirmed?

[dusky surge]

yea devs said it was planned for next patch. Only thing we know about carno changes tho

[steep otter]

THANK GOOD

It will finaly makes sense

[spiral kindle]

Any screenshot's? who was it said by?

If it's true then that is good can has been needing that for like months since it's rework doesn't need a speed buff the charge already goes 59.4 km without speed mutation

Carno's speed is fine

Carno rn is in a good spot it can destroy everything Cera sized and smaller

3 Carnos still S tier

Next update / HT is planned to have Qol changes and some map changes so that's good

[spiral kindle]

W

What else did dondi say about carno?

[crimson crater]

nothing

[spiral kindle]

Good to know

[cosmic pelican]

Watch it become a longer growth time

[elfin night]

"buffed" carno's growth time to 5 hours and 15 minutes

[edgy crow]

[sharp patrol]

troodon growth time reduced to 5 minutes

[worthy steeple]

i mean, “yes.” doesn’t necessary mean it will grow in less time 👹👹👹

around 20 years of growing sounds fair imo

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message dibble marginally bigger than ava

carno almost twice the size of cera

[worthy steeple]

carno is also not ugly and smelly

[haughty grotto]

@outer storm you kiddin' bruv?
The rex was massive

[glass harbor]

yeah but that wastes more stam, and makes you go like .5 km/h faster

and cera is pretty fast if you havent seen it running

[elfin night]

@outer storm Rex is going to be apparently 9350kg from what Dondi showed. It is literally bigger than one and a half stegos

[stark knoll]

It makes you 10kmh faster and costs little to no stam

[glass harbor]

theres no way

[stark knoll]

Cera is 40.2kmh compared to carno's 49.something, and 59 when charging

[elfin night]

Carno is objectively the fastest thing in the game rn besides ptera or buffed galli strictly speaking

[glass harbor]

if cera has nocturnal, and the carno doesnt, its basically just as fast

[elfin night]

And the way you burn stamina with the charge is proportionally similar if not the same as normal sprint. So you travel the exact same distance

[elfin night]

What??? Cera with a speed buff is like 42.2 kph

[stark knoll]

Cera with a speed mutation is 42.2kph

[elfin night]

7 kilometers per hour less than Carno

[glass harbor]

oh i play on a server that buffs the mutations by a lot

like nocturnal gives like 20% speed boost

[worthy steeple]

carno is 20km/h faster than the cera lol

[elfin night]

Unofficial server problem

Suggestions should always be with official rules taken into account

[worthy steeple]

rules?

[elfin night]

Well, rules and context

[elfin night]

In terms of plain sprint, carno is 7 faster than mutated cera

[worthy steeple]

lmao

[glass harbor]

yeah its a pvp server

[worthy steeple]

erm ok it’s still slower and what mutation has to do with base dinos stats?

not to mention that carno can ram and be a lot faster

[elfin night]

Like, just see how flawed that logic is:

(as a hypothetical) buff pachy’s bleed resistance because galli with fibrosis in one unofficial gets extra 30% bleed resist

You have to consider the context of officials because it is the intended balance

[iron tree]

it's almost 60km/h

with charge and it costs barely any stamina

[glass harbor]

nocturnal, and photosynthetic tissue

it buffs your stats depending on the time of day

[stark knoll]

But why make suggestions based on absolutely screwed up values?

[iron tree]

fr

[worthy steeple]

i know, but what it has to do with the base dinos stats? and server side mutation buffs?

[worthy steeple]

.

[stark knoll]

Like we said, cera with the mutation is still 7kmh slower than a carno with no mutations that isn't charging

[elfin night]

^ what I said, unofficials balance is worthless for balance feedback

It isn’t gonna change anything about that unofficial

[glass harbor]

oh idk

[iron tree]

how fast is cera? 40.3 km/h?

[elfin night]

40.2

[stark knoll]

40.2 iirc

[iron tree]

that'd make cera 48.24 km/h on that server

holy moly

that's faster than omnis and dilos

[glass harbor]

what about a carno

[stark knoll]

59.4

[iron tree]

I don't wanna know how fast a charging carno is with those mutations

[iron tree]

with charge?

[stark knoll]

Without

[glass harbor]

and with charge it'd almost be 70

[iron tree]

what's carno's charging speed

[glass harbor]

oh hold up gng

[stark knoll]

Not sure whether charge speed is a flat +10 or if it takes mutations into account

[glass harbor]

its only a 15% buff not a 20%

[stark knoll]

Still

Absolutely absurd

[iron tree]

it does iirc

[worthy steeple]

it’s the teno, cera is 0.1km/h slower

[iron tree]

"teno can escape cera packs because it's faster"

[worthy steeple]

it can, but you have to be full stam, not use your attacks and not vomit even once.

so you either choose to fight or flee, you can’t fight and then decide to run away, ceras will out stam you

tho what i usually do in situations like this is i run till im out of stam, regen the stam and kill all the ceras 1 by 1, works every time lol

they’re usually dum dums

[iron tree]

fr

[viscid mica]

@proper berry strgo isn’t built around fighting small things it’s set up to hold its own against large sized Dino’s that will be faster than it for example Rex. And ya it’s swing speed ain’t gonna be a 1-1 irl and its abit fast but realistically if we did realistically speeds then give it realistic results a hit from a stegos tail was a near garanteed 99% death scentence due to the size of the open would leave and infection. Stego should not be balanced around small things hunting it.

@prime wagon simplified balancing

[icy blaze]

#balance-feedback message

You can pretty well and easily kill a cera with a carno. You just gotta know how

[eternal iris]

@indigo rain Only reason I'd disagree is because I think those two should just be removed

[indigo rain]

Wouldnt be against that either. Im more going from the angle its likely not going to be removed if it hasnt by now.

[steady rapids]

Is it just me, or is Omniraptor feeling a bit weak? I feel like either the grapple damage isn’t enough or it drains too much stam, Shouldn’t it be pretty much gg for anything less bulky than a cera if 3 raptors manage to pin it?

I played it for the first time over the last few weeks and was pretty shocked by how little damage the grapple actually does

[stark knoll]

Did you hold left or right click?

[steady rapids]

I alternated clicking between the two

[stark knoll]

Holding LMB deals damage, holding RMB applies bleeding. Cera has bleed resistance until its HP is low

If you clicked between the two, you basically didn't do much of anything

[steady rapids]

Holding or clicking?

[stark knoll]

Holding is better

[steady rapids]

Hm, ok. I see, wasn’t sure how the input worked so i was click spamming, but i’d apply bleed than spam LMB. I’ve also noticed playing as cera, Omniraptors will usually flat out not try to fight me even in groups. I could be wrong, its just that omni -feels- a bit weak.

[stark knoll]

It's great once you get a hang of how to pounce

For ceras specifically you'd want to use LMB either the whole time, or until it's decently roughed up and no longer has the bleed resistance

[steady rapids]

Maybe i just need to git gud and get better at teamplay. I was just observing how in fights and hunts it was very risky to use pounce due to the stam costs vs damage done. Not sure if that’s intended in design or result of misguided balance tweaking

[stark knoll]

Well if you didn't try to deal damage, you won't deal damage

[steady rapids]

as i stated in this post, I did deal damage using LMB and also was sure to apply bleed with LMB it’s not necessarily a question of just pure damage output per se, more the damage output vs stamina cost of pounce, and what that means for hunting with omniraptor and how often and effectively one is able to utilize one of its core mechanics of pouncing and pinning

[stark knoll]

From what I've heard, a full damage pounce using your whole stam bar deals 1k damage

[steady rapids]

I see, maybe i should just read the relevant documentation first, i lack perspective on raw damage values for each dino’s attacks are. Also, typically in a hunt, there is often running/maneuvering so often you’re not pouncing will a full stamina bar, so usually the damage output may not be that high in reality. Once again though, that could be a design choice, encouraging players to be tactical and play smart

[maiden temple]

Raptor feels weaker but it's not due to pounce, it's the new bite cooldown

Pounce - if it actually works as intended, which is rare - is great. Being able to choose to do damage or bleed made it even more fun but if you're solo you're still playing the long game. You have to choose to either harass and use your stamina to run in and out or stay hidden until you're ready to pounce

I used to pounce to bleed and then follow and do hit and runs but with current bite cd the latter is a nightmare as you can only land 1 bite tops for each run in. It's painful when every run in can be your last

[elder steppe]

How do you choose between damage and bleed? I know you can shimmy around the animal onto its back or the other side, but I didn't know you could choose not to bleed it.

[weary dust]

Hey I just wanna point out any semi-aquatics should have higher bleed resist than purely terrestrial animals, I say this because its a real life fact that animals from all walks of life develop thicker skin than their counterparts that dont swim, reptiles like snakes and some lizards can have up to 50% thicker skin, humans have thicker skin than any ape, penguins have thicker skin than most other birds, jaguars have thicker skin than other cats, you get the picture also I feel like crocs and deinos should be the biggest example lol

[viscid mica]

Left click damage right click bleed

It does bleed but less bleed

[elder steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/husshere-herehuss-tattari-gif-23362827

[slim dragon]

Deino has a 50% bleed resistance

[iron tree]

Indeed

Deino is almost impossible to bleed out

I've literally never bled out as a gator

[dusky surge]

You have effectively 16000 blood so that makes sense

[edgy crow]

Bleed is equivalent to hp?

[dusky surge]

Yup

Weight = HP = blood pool

[maiden temple]

After you pounce and sit on the target you press and hold either LMB for damage, or RMB for bleed.

[maiden temple]

It's like a secondary HP stat, you can kill someone by dropping either their HP to 0, or their blood to 0

So if you did only bleed to a target and their blood pool hit 0 they would die, even if their HP is still full

[edgy crow]

I know, I just didn't know your bloodpool was the same as your healthpoil

[maiden temple]

Ahh

[maiden temple]

I have! Back when we had big groups of deinos and we all grouped to murder stegos by the waterfall

These fights took hours

[iron tree]

damn

on spiro?

[maiden temple]

Yee

[iron tree]

I miss spiro :(

[maiden temple]

I started to miss the map as well, even though it was mostly empty and got boring after a while

This one feels like it's designed for cars, with roads and cool buildings

Did you see the snippet of the redwoods?

[slim dragon]

Spiro, on the other hand, was designed for crocs

[maiden temple]

Nah, it took SOOOO long to go from place to place it was hell even for crocs

[slim dragon]

It was literally designed for them
And that's the reason why it was so ass

[maiden temple]

Swamp was very well made for crocs though, with the underwater areas

We yearn for underwater tunnels

[maiden temple]

Could have fooled me

[fiery shard]

game at Gateway is all about walking if u're deino lol

[maiden temple]

There should be some places you have to walk to - within reason - it's fun to see crocs walking places

[fiery shard]

walking to hl, walking to sp, walking from north, walking from east. walking

[maiden temple]

But not this way xD

Ideally you'd see croc migrations during storms and big rains/wet season

That'd be awesome 😄

[fiery shard]

to meet a stego who kills you in 3 strikes lol

[maiden temple]

This is what I expected when I heard about migrations, we'd have sudden boom of lush greenery in a specific spot so all herbis would end up there

[fiery shard]

ideally there should be one river on the map and that's it

[maiden temple]

Rare sight these days tbh

[maiden temple]

That's boring!

[fiery shard]

no

walking around the map as a croc and praying you don't meet a stego is boring.

[maiden temple]

There should always be lakes, seaside and then lakes going through areas without much water

Well everyone else is praying there isn't a croc in their water, I think it's fine

You gotta die somehow

It's why crossing during storms/heavy rain is ideal. You're quieter, harder to spot and thus safer

[fiery shard]

when there are about 7 safe places to drink on the map? it's a skill issue lmao

[maiden temple]

Exactly, you can sit in one river and not cross anywhere ever as a croc too, same logic

[slim dragon]

that's spiro

[eager saddle]

Good times. Was very fun too

[iron tree]

yessss!!!

I love gateway but also hope spiro will make a return at some point

@viscid mica Kentro should be the antipouncer

[viscid mica]

100%

[iron tree]

your suggestion should include omnis and troodons

[viscid mica]

Sorry I have the X so any down voters have ease of access and will delete it the moment someone else DVs

[viscid mica]

It exactly

As troodons and omni can side pounce and there is a nice clear spot by the hind legs to pounce

It’s the only spot thou….

[iron tree]

true

[viscid mica]

Plus the velocity of omni and troodon pounce ain’t even hold a candle to falling speed of a Herrera lunge

You go jump at something and then jump off something and tell me what’s faster

(Into water preferably please)

[iron tree]

it shouldn't one hit them

but knock them off

[viscid mica]

I’m certain it will it’d be weird if it didn’t

Like I said only 2 real positions for them to exist

[hasty coyote]

Why not make any like pounces or rams or whatever deal a flat amount of thorns damage if you hit the spike. Like if a Herrera pounces, it takes 175 and dies. If Omni pounces, it takes 175 and doesn’t land the pounce. If carno charges, it takes 175 back, etc

[viscid mica]

Wouldn’t be surprised but there is a difference in momentum

Speed and force behind the weight have serious effects on results etc first law of physics

[crimson crater]

that’s too punishing for the herrera to outright die

should be severely injured at most

[viscid mica]

Absolutely not

[hasty coyote]

Idk man, you decided to pounce the spike wall.

[viscid mica]

Don’t jump at something with giant spikes on its back

Your just a idiot if you do no way around that fact

It’s not like you can’t tell what your about to yeet yourself at

[slim dragon]

Or a percent of the attacker's damage
Like a 50% reflect ?

[hasty coyote]

Yeah but I think just having flat reflexive damage is the simplest to implement and ends up working the best.

[viscid mica]

It leaves holes for weird interactions

[slim dragon]

Cuz it wouldn't make sense for say, a dryo nibbling on the spikes to take 175 damage and die instantly

[viscid mica]

Plus certain stuff should be hurt further than others based on how they are chucking themselves at the spike wall

[hasty coyote]

I was thinking that, but then how does it account for pounces that deal dot (like Omni) or variable damage (like Troo venom)?

[viscid mica]

Why would a dryo be attacking a kentro

[slim dragon]

For troo venom, it would only reflect the damage of the base pounce, there is no reason to take venom into account
But I guess pounces would need to have a "virtual damage" stat to account for that

[slim dragon]

Why the Tartarus not

[hasty coyote]

That wouldn’t deal damage. I was thinking specifically attacks like carno charge or pounces, or even deino grab

[slim dragon]

Hem, biting the spikes should deal damage as well

The inside of a dino's mouth is just as vulnerable to damage as any other part of its body

[hasty coyote]

So then it would only account for 25 damage. Which means troodon can pounce 4 times into a spike and live.

[viscid mica]

They are both herbivores and operate in completely different worlds why the hell would they fight

[slim dragon]

Also if it doesn't work on bite kentro's damage reflect ability becomes 100% useless against playables like cera

[viscid mica]

Also no reason to take damage for simply biting

[hasty coyote]

I was just thinking it would deal basically 0 damage, because then we should add reflexive damage to Diablo’s face.

[iron tree]

just don't attack the kentro

[slim dragon]

(And that's why i mentioned virtual damage)

[viscid mica]

Attacks where your throwing your weight against theirs are completely different

[iron tree]

there is a counterplay to not pounce a kentro

[slim dragon]

Then kentro will be fodder I guess

[iron tree]

just don't...pounce it

[hasty coyote]

Are you forgetting the massive spikes on the tail?

It can swing those like stego, and a stego at that size is terrifying.

[slim dragon]

Kentro will be small

[viscid mica]

It can fight back you know

It’s got a tail like stego

And shoulder spikes for vibe checking

[slim dragon]

Bites are already exempt from too many game rules, biting a spike making you take damage just makes sense and is way easier balance-wise. Why should they be exempt from that rule ?

It'd make the "damage reflect" ability" into a gimmick rather than an actual ability

[viscid mica]

Abit too far

You’d make kentro unhuntable

[slim dragon]

You would see a kentro and think "I'm gonna bite it to death" rather than "I should avoid the spikes"

[viscid mica]

Because it can’t fight back apparently

[slim dragon]

Just aim where there are no spikes

[viscid mica]

And you think with how hitboxes work that will end well

[slim dragon]

I don't expect to be a massive damage-dealing tank like stego is, for the reason that it will have a damage reflect ability and be much smaller

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

Are we basing balance off bugs now ?

[hasty coyote]

A 1.5 ton stego can deal 450 damage a power swing and knockdown most other things of its size, sub stegos are terrifying to fight unless you are Diablo, and I doubt kentro will be slower than Diablo.

[viscid mica]

Are we wanting to make something deal out damage for the sake of dealing damage!?

[viscid mica]

Doubt

[iron tree]

or instead of reflecting bites it gets a damage reduction on the spike

[viscid mica]

Kentro will prolly be faster than 32km

[slim dragon]

What's so big an issue with taking damage for biting on spikes ?

[viscid mica]

I can’t see a kentro not being a little speedy

[slim dragon]

Why should BITES, of all things, be the safe option when hitting on spikes ??

[viscid mica]

Hunt-ability and simply put there are barely any areas without spikes you’d make it dam near unhuntable

[slim dragon]

Hedgehogs, porcupines and every spiky animal are in tears right now

[hasty coyote]

Kentro is half the size of Diablo, ain’t no way it’s going to be slower. And if it is, then it’s going to need some giga thorns damage that make it unapproachable.

[slim dragon]

The head, the legs
God forbid something has an ability that makes other playables think twice before attacking it
However, I doubt that will actually make it unhuntable
Even a 50% damage reflect won't mean you'll be dead by the time kentro is when biting solely on its spikes

[viscid mica]

Fr

[viscid mica]

Yes but it can’t fight still fight itself

So 50% + your own damage

And something its size could EASILY maneuver to avoid being hit in those spots

[slim dragon]

Obviously
The point is that if you attack a kentro and bite exclusively its spikes, you die because of the combined damage of the reflect+kentro's attacks
And that'll be deserved

I also find the idea of bites just being a counter to kentro's ability absolutely stupid and ridiculous

I don't expect players to be able to consistently attack a kentro where it doesn't have spikes, nor do I think it should be a requirement to be able to kill one
However it's what any predator should try to achieve, because otherwise they'll take tremendous damage, even if they're a cerato

[crimson crater]

what’s the point of that mechanic, it dosen’t help it at all

[crimson crater]

okay? since when does realism matter

[slim dragon]

It helps kentro to not get killed

[viscid mica]

I simply can’t agree with your logic it isn’t fair to carnivorous at all

[crimson crater]

by a herrera? its way above its hunting range

[slim dragon]

cerato*

[viscid mica]

Yes becomes the 175kg plummet squirrel needs to able to 1 tap the entire roaster

[iron tree]

you act like it'd be overpowered...just. don't. attack. the. kentro.

[viscid mica]

Carno* allo* omni* dilo*

[slim dragon]

I've seen carnos complain about getting killed by herreras
If it's way out of their hunting range, then there's no reason for kentro to not have it, since herreras will never attack it ?

[viscid mica]

Or only attack if you can Garantee that HS and are confident

[crimson crater]

how tf will a herrera be able to 1 tap a 1T+ creature lmao

[slim dragon]

Omni and carno would be screwed either way since their primary attack isn't their bite

[crimson crater]

carno has this weird thing with its bleed that enables herrera’s and other small bleeders to easily hunt it

[viscid mica]

Exactly why it shouldn’t matter if the spikes kill it for being so bold as to chuck its full weight at terminal velocity at the spike wall

[hasty coyote]

Head is supposed to be the weak point, and legs are guarded by the tail. But my main issue is that if you make it all damage on the spikes, and the spikes have damage resistance (like all other similar body parts in the game) then kentro could kill things by literally doing nothing while taking barely any damage itself.

[slim dragon]

With raw damage

[crimson crater]

literally not possible.

[slim dragon]

If someone is stupid enough to impale their own head on the spikes, sure
I see nothing wrong with that

[slim dragon]

You'd be surprised

[crimson crater]

no i wouldn’t. i’ve tested the dmg and it can’t LOL

the heavier an opponent is the less dmg a herrera does to it

[slim dragon]

I'm not saying with a single pounce

[hasty coyote]

More that it should be a global mechanic with kentro’s spines having some form of thorns damage, and Herrera dealing high damage with low hp that make it perfectly 1-shotable

[slim dragon]

No, the damage is flat

[crimson crater]

mate you’d need 3 pounces on average, who tf would stand still and allow that

[slim dragon]

Carno players, apparently

[viscid mica]

EVEN MORE REASON WHY KENTRO SPIKES SHOULD DO DAMAGE

[hasty coyote]

Well when 2/3rds of the kentro is spines, any bit of skill will make every bite take thorns or take a tail swing, or both.

[crimson crater]

so you’re justifying implementing a mechanic just to help incompetent and horrible players

[viscid mica]

Why does Herrera NEED to be able to chuck itself at everything

[slim dragon]

no

[crimson crater]

it isn’t

[sharp patrol]

I'm gunna ask chat gpt and get back to y'all it will have the answer

[slim dragon]

So herrera's pounce has a special feature that absolutely no other attack in the game has for absolutely no reason ?

[viscid mica]

Bro is acting like everyone will play kentro exclusively to spite Herrera

[stark knoll]

It scales based on how far you fall, it has nothing to do with the target's weight

[crimson crater]

it does. https://youtu.be/FnkMEZ6y4gc?si=q98JBb4BgzjkC0pU

[sharp patrol]

Herrera can 1 shot dilo and Omni

[crimson crater]

yep, or else it would 2 shot carnos and ceras lol

[hasty coyote]

(With bleed and a headshot it does)

[slim dragon]

To the head it does

[crimson crater]

talking about raw damadge here

[crimson crater]

no

[sharp patrol]

2 the head at max distance herrer 2 shots carno

[viscid mica]

Plus Herrera can group up on 1 target

[crimson crater]

herrera is awful in groups

[sharp patrol]

Well, u can group up on one target but only 1 Herrera is coming out of it alive

[hasty coyote]

When uncoordinated yeah, but a coordinated pack is terrifying.

[viscid mica]

Again I’m failing to understand why Herrera NEEDS to have advantage on every playable and why the idea of 1 having a counter BUILT INTO IT NATURALLY is such a criminal idea

[slim dragon]

Unless you time your jumps so the previous one has enough time to get out of the way

[viscid mica]

Legit a avoidable counter at that

[crimson crater]

that’s not the point. it dosen’t even have an advantage vs kentros to begin with lol, just seems unnecessary

[viscid mica]

So there is no reason why kentro shouldn’t have it?

When it has every reason to have it physically

And balance wise

[crimson crater]

so there is no reason for tenos to instantly die if they attempt to kick a stego

your argument could be used to justify anything

[sharp patrol]

I mean Tbf if I was playing Herrera and a prehistoric porcupine walks by and my first thought is let me jump on its spikes I think you should die

[viscid mica]

That’s such a stupid comparison

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t because stego has no natural defence to hit that beyond it attacking itself

[slim dragon]

I admit, I fail to understand the mental gymnastics here

[viscid mica]

YOUR ARGUMENT MAKES NO SENSE

[crimson crater]

it isn’t. both are useless additions to prevent them from attacking something they can’t even hunt

[viscid mica]

Herrera main

[viscid mica]

But it’s not useless and kentro is 100% in hunting size range

[slim dragon]

It's useful because damage reflect is literally kentro's main selling point

[viscid mica]

^^^^^

[slim dragon]

The game isn't only about herrera and kentro

[crimson crater]

so realism?

[viscid mica]

Dino porcupine

[crimson crater]

fair point i will admit

[slim dragon]

Why do you keep bringing up realism xD

[viscid mica]

a physical aspect of the Dino has a effect on how it plays and stuff it has INSANE IDEA

Herrera has no reason to climb chat it’s too “realistic”

[crimson crater]

nah they do just pointing it out. “herreras should die if they attempt to pounce it”

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

You're the only one who mentioned realism since the beginning of the conversation

[viscid mica]

It’s because of the mention of the physical existence of spikes on its back

[crimson crater]

.

[crimson crater]

no

[viscid mica]

Apparently the idea of chucking yourself at multiple large spikes and dying is a wild concept

[hasty coyote]

I’d rather just balance kentro’s reflexive damage and Herrera is very likely to just die as a side effect due to how the thorns work due to its low hp and high damage.

[viscid mica]

Pretty much

[crimson crater]

outright killing the herrera is the main problem here, should do dmg back sure but not that

[viscid mica]

Because throwing yourself from 3 stories up onto a lot of spikes doesn’t kill you

[hasty coyote]

Like I honestly don’t see a single system with the thorns in which Herrera tanks this, while keeping the thorns actually impactful.

[viscid mica]

You are a 175kg tree rat throwing yourself towards multiple sharp and long spikes

[sharp patrol]

125*

[crimson crater]

technically every jump herrera makes should kill it but it dosent because of this neat thing called game design

[hasty coyote]

It’s 175

[crimson crater]

“rat” is the size of a tiger

[slim dragon]

Game design is also about punishing players when they make stupid decisions

[sharp patrol]

What?!

[viscid mica]

Exactly why the spikes should impale it GAME DESIGN

[crimson crater]

like using their main ability correctly?

[viscid mica]

Smaller tigers are roughly 280kg

[sharp patrol]

Also couldn't u avoid the damage reflection by aiming at kentros head

[viscid mica]

You can nerd emoji me for that one

[crimson crater]

sounds more like realism reasonings lol

[slim dragon]

No, like using their main ability on something they have no reason to even try to hunt in the first place and aiming directly towards their main defence

[viscid mica]

Exactly our point

[crimson crater]

actually some tigers are 175 or so

[viscid mica]

[sharp patrol]

Making it take skill

[crimson crater]

so kinda like a deterrent right

[viscid mica]

How dare you suggest that they can’t simply recklessly launch themselves at the wall of spikes and have 0 consequences

[crimson crater]

strawman fallacy, never said they shouldn’t have consequences just not punishment by death

[hasty coyote]

I would argue that using pounce on something covered in spines is not using it correctly. Though if you manage to hit the head you should live, but good luck.

[viscid mica]

How about this damage based on distance aka if you jump at a distance to do any sizable damage the same will be done to you : )

[crimson crater]

alright so while we’re at it should a carno die if it attempts to charge a stegos tail?

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

YOU are the one calling out people for strawmanning !?

[viscid mica]

[crimson crater]

yes, i don’t twist their arguments to make them seem ridiculous

[sharp patrol]

I mean from a game design standpoint what's gunna happen, Herrera falls land on kentros spikes and... take some damage and bounces off?

[slim dragon]

Dude that's literally what half your messages are

[viscid mica]

Which would be weirder than simply dying

[crimson crater]

show one example of it

[slim dragon]

Like this one

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

And this

[crimson crater]

tried making a comparison

[viscid mica]

Omg bro got the receipts

[viscid mica]

Bruh what

[slim dragon]

And this

[viscid mica]

Those aren’t even like justifiable comparisons. They are completely different mechanics and design.

[sharp patrol]

To something not comparable, Herrera is literally landing on the spikes full force

[slim dragon]

That's one way to put it

Oh the last one would rather fall in the category of gaslighting

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

But I'm not familiar with fallacies

[viscid mica]

Bubulbu popping off

[crimson crater]

not that one, your reasoning as to why they should have it was because herreras can kill things like that in 2-3 pounces

[sharp patrol]

That's not the reasoning

[slim dragon]

It wasn't but alright

[viscid mica]

Exactly like why are you even lunging at it so why shouldn’t it?

[hasty coyote]

It stuns itself and takes reflexive damage for ramming something bigger, so stego can just swing it and it dies. So yeah, it kinda does just die if it does that.

Though for kentro in particular, I’m saying that its thorns damage should be enough to kill a Herrera due to its low hp, and high damage. Like unless kentro’s thorns are useless against anything bigger than Omni, it’s gonna 1-shot a Herrera.

[crimson crater]

it literally was.

you said that herreras can hunt and kill carnos with raw dmg if they pounce it multiple times and since kentro is most likely going to be lighter same can be done

[viscid mica]

[crimson crater]

why not have it work like the bees in the sanctuaries where the dmg it does isn’t flat out the same

[viscid mica]

Exactly why it’s spikes should do damage

[crimson crater]

never disagreed with that, it just shouldn’t outright kill it

[slim dragon]

You said kentro didn't need damage reflect because it's out of herrera's hunting range
Implying a herrera would NEVER do so much as to attempt to kill a kentro
To which I responded that they do try, and succeed at killing things as large as a carno

But that's not WHY kentro should have damage reflect
Kentro should have damage reflect because that's the very reason it's going to be added as a playable

[viscid mica]

175 kg versus multiple 1 to 3 foot long spikes what do you think is winning this encounter?

[sharp patrol]

Even if kentros damage reflect was 25% it would kill a Herrera from its jump

[crimson crater]

and a stego can be killed by a raptor, if it lets it🤷‍♂️

[viscid mica]

[slim dragon]

Ok and ?

[crimson crater]

the kentro would still win but the herrera would live and not dare to attempt it again lol

[crimson crater]

so would you say that stego is within a solo raptors hunting range? no

same thing with carno vs herrera, it literally stands no chance unless the carno lets it

[viscid mica]

Why should it even be able to attempt it in the first place?

[sharp patrol]

Herrera is already one of the safest animals to live as too

[viscid mica]

You are a 13th of its weight maybe

And you launched yourself at a wall of spikes

You’re an idiot if you’re doing that there’s no reason that you should be able to

[hasty coyote]

That would be very inconsistent if it’s %max hp. It would be useless against smalls or oppressive against large threats that kentro should just run from. If it was %damage dealt (which makes more sense imo) then Herrera still dies.

[slim dragon]

Herrera dies when it attemps to pounce a teno and misses (stun and instakill)
It dies when it attempts to pounce and misses an omni (pin)
It dies when it attemps to pounce a diablo (yeet)
Dying when attempting to pounce a kentro and hitting the spikes is inline with the rest
Herrera is high-risk, high-reward

[crimson crater]

very well

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[slim dragon]

Rex taking 5k damage for biting a kentro

[vale brook]

real

[sharp patrol]

Kentro should be able to shoot it's spines out to hit climbing herreras

[viscid mica]

Calm down

[hasty coyote]

Or troodon only taking like 5 damage for repeatedly pouncing kentro’s spines

[vale brook]

have we seen juvie kentro yet

[sharp patrol]

No

[vale brook]

i need it

[hasty coyote]

I haven’t at least

[viscid mica]

@slim dragon master chief

[worthy steeple]

lmaoo

[weary dust]

@slim dragon yup as it should

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/sharp-rocks-at-the-bottom%3F-i-remember-this-scene-at-the-beginning-of-every-vhs-i-owned-the-emperor's-new-groove-q-hindi-gif-7224190452090228922

#balance-feedback message

[stark knoll]

@steep gazelle Do you know how to use the new pounce controls?

[steep gazelle]

yes

[worthy steeple]

omni does A LOT of bleed

you don’t even have to stay on target for long, few seconds is enough to deal huge amount of bleed

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message LOL

[crimson crater]

stego has no issues

totally.

[worthy steeple]

instead of nerfing it better to just fix the bugs lol

[crimson crater]

its not a massive nerf, the duration can be 0.5 seconds

[worthy steeple]

why would it need a nerf?

[crimson crater]

again that’s barely a nerf

it won’t impact stego gameplay

[worthy steeple]

why does it need a nerf?

[eager saddle]

because it makes no sense that it can use the swing while the animation isnt even finished yet

[edgy crow]

if your argument is "so members of the current roster can take it down"

no

stego needs to be powerful so it can fight rex

[worthy steeple]

but it can’t tho

[worthy steeple]

honestly, people speak like stego is not 6t apex, not to mention it’s not a god, it’s not unkillable

never had any issues with the stegos

[crimson crater]

highly doubt a rex will be able to get to a stego in 0.1 picoseconds before it can enter power swing mode. its not going to make it unviable lol

[worthy steeple]

storms are very good for ambushing, literally can’t hear anything, i bet both rex and allo are going to be monsters doing the storms.

i ambush random carnos all the time during storm, i just tail slam them and run away lol

[eager saddle]

that's what happened in the clip no?

[crimson crater]

that was NOT an ambush

[eager saddle]

this tbh

[worthy steeple]

stego is going to be in a very weird spot, it’s gonna have less hp and be slower than the predator that can hunt it, which is unusual

[worthy steeple]

OH WRONG CLIP LOL

watch the first one tho

wanted to send this one

[eager saddle]

why did you bite it in an ambush xD

[worthy steeple]

it was a bug, cera didn’t even get damaged

[eager saddle]

yet it got knocked?

[worthy steeple]

i didn’t want to kill it accidentally, it was just a sub

[cosmic pelican]

I know where you play now, the horde is imminent...

[worthy steeple]

HELP.

[crimson crater]

EU4 teno, prepare to meet the main menu

[eager saddle]

no.

[worthy steeple]

YOU DONT KNOW THE SERVER THO (eu4 usually)

[eager saddle]

lmao apparently it was obvious xD

[worthy steeple]

there’s always some local troodons hanging around, tho i never try to kill them

[cosmic pelican]

Prepare to face the wrath of my solo beipi

[worthy steeple]

i’m there to kill ceras lol

[worthy steeple]

i think i met few beipis there, maybe one of them were you🥹

[edgy crow]

Hopefully it just doesn't die on the spot

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[cosmic pelican]

It all depends if rex can stun it or not

Cuz stegos powerswing wont be able to

[worthy steeple]

i really hope they will change it so it can stun the rex, because i feel like nothing will stop it from just tanking the stego and pinning it

tho maybe the rex will not be able to pin the stego, but idk about that

[viscid mica]

@west plank desync had absolutely nothing to do with it’s actually timing you and bro saw 2 different things

That’s why you took no damage

It registered the hit but also didn’t

If it actually counted as a hit and wasn’t desync for one we woulda seen proper animations and 2 you woulda been very hurt

[edgy crow]

Lame

[worthy steeple]

yeah that’s also what i was thinking about, i think there’s a clip with potato pouncing a teno that tail slamming it and the game can’t decide if troodon pounced before got hit so it just hits the troodon without doing any damage

[viscid mica]

I mean watch bros clip he gets chucked 0 damage and the stego doesn’t even do attack animation

Ngl mad unlucky for a bigger deino to be hanging out

[worthy steeple]

exactly

[worthy steeple]

yeah that makes the clip so much funnier lmaoo

[edgy crow]

It was cut perfectly as well

[worthy steeple]

yeah ahah

[viscid mica]

Bro got yoinked

Can we pause to talk about bro trying to 1v1 what looks like a FG stego

[worthy steeple]

imagine how funny it was for the stego and deino players

[west plank]

The feedback I provided will be a solution to prevent these from happening

[viscid mica]

Yes because changing it’s timing will make desync stop existing

It simply won’t fix the problem you had

It was a problem of tech communication between your pc the server and their pc

Causing a delay in which they did something on their side that didn’t compute to server and your side properly

Thus a damage less yeet

[vague helm]

@topaz elm it never took stam

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

why do people want this lmao

might as well write "make sure these big carnivores never get a diet option" because no one is playing stego for you to eat if they die in two hits lmao

[tribal idol]

what you mean? you don't want to spend 6-7 hours growing a 6 ton pretty much apex herbi to then get 2 shot by a 1.3 ton carni

[dusky surge]

also they already TAKE increased head damage. They take the most headshot damage in the game

[dusky surge]

unfortunately i value my time 😔

[tribal idol]

lmao

[dusky surge]

if you make stego super easy and vulnerable to kill, no one will play it, and now rather than killing more stegos, you're killing less stegos, because no one is playing them LMAO

[fiery shard]

carno speed 49, stego speed ~26. how does die as a carno from a stego hit? (provided you're not a self-murderer attacking this herbi imbalance lol)

[tribal idol]

U would be surprised, a lot of people try to fight stegs as ceras, ive even seen carnos try it for some reason

[edgy crow]

Remove this it's dumb and unnecessary

[dusky surge]

nah its fine

like that's not really a problem

[tribal idol]

the extra headshot if fine

[dusky surge]

you dont need to nuke it

[tribal idol]

with steg having the most damage in the game by a mile, and its probably gonna keep the most damage even in the finished roster, 2x headshot is a fine weakness

[fiery shard]

stego is a herbi for apexes, not for mid-sized predators

[viscid mica]

@earnest lance you realize stegos had re-enforced head plates and have neck plates they are the exact opposite of what you said

They’re head is the least vulnerable thing it’s how they pushed dinosaurs to attack from other directions and suffered the consequences of it

[worthy steeple]

it takes 9 headhot charge bites to kill fg stego, to compare it takes 3 to kill the teno lol. so stego is more than vulnerable to the headshots

[viscid mica]

Stego build ain’t for this roaster we need bigger stuff

[worthy steeple]

here’s another comparison:

it takes 9 headhots to kill the stego

and it takes 8 headhots to kill the maia

there’s more than 2t difference

[viscid mica]

But a 2x hs vs 1.5x

Random 2x that exists to make it match this current roaster

[slim dragon]

It takes one headshot to kill a hypsi
It also takes one headshot to kill a dilo
Conclusion : dilo's head is extremely weak
||I'm just fooling around||

[worthy steeple]

yes, that’s what i’m talking about, stego is vulnerable to headhots, no need to make it 2 bites to kill fg like dude is asking in the suggestion

[worthy steeple]

i doesn’t tho 😭

[slim dragon]

You can't argue against facts

[viscid mica]

Probably a deino main who is big mad he can’t tank the 4ft spikes to his giant head hit box

[worthy steeple]

i see that a lot from cera players, idk why but they just refuse to believe there’s something in the game that they can’t kill

[viscid mica]

Cant wait for allo drop they’ll be 100x worse