balance-feedback-discussion

[worthy steeple]

i wonder how many time the teno escape from them and jumped on something, there are not so many things to jump on on the gateway, it’s super situational. especially with almost all the rocks being removed from the map

it’s 7% it’s a lot

[viscid mica]

But teno ain’t even that strong

Like a solid omni trio can easily beat a skilled teno

[iron tree]

it doesn't make teno broken in any way just because it can jump

[crimson crater]

no, i meant that teno should be slightly nerfed in other areas, the jump is fine i suppose

[eternal iris]

Never stated it did

[worthy steeple]

with the maia in the game.. honestly it doesn’t need to be nerfed

[iron tree]

then why do you want it to be removed

[crimson crater]

not a massive nerf, just a slight increase on stamina

[iron tree]

you're getting outnumbered? jump up a rock to get yourself out of a lethal situation

[worthy steeple]

i agree with the stam cost changes if they give the damage back.

keep in mind that cera doesn’t use any stamina for its attacks, so it’s kinda unfair that one can fight forever

and the other one can’t

[iron tree]

cera needs its slide back

[viscid mica]

You open and close your mouth and see how long before you get tired vs standing on your hands and kicking backwards

[worthy steeple]

snd 2% per kick and 3% per tail slam is kinda fair? i mean, 3% per kick would be a disaster

[crimson crater]

2% on kicks means it can kick 35 times, that’s a little too much for the amount of dmg it does ngl

[worthy steeple]

it’s about game balance, not common sense lmao. like half of the roster has magic abilities that you can’t explain, doesn’t mean anything

[viscid mica]

Like what!?

[iron tree]

magic abilities?

[viscid mica]

What’s magical that can’t be explained

If you say dilo imma be mad

Unique application of venom damage

[worthy steeple]

if it does stand still, keep in mind that you also have to move during the fight

[crimson crater]

i’ve fought a lot as a teno and vs them, i rarely run out of stam

tenos can run for more than 2 minutes and most isle fights aren’t longer than 40 seconds

[worthy steeple]

like body buff? pure magic, stego doing 360 attack is pure magic, AND YEAH THE DILO CLONES ARE PURE MAGIC TOO. also whole roster is unrealistic, it has nothing to do with irl

[worthy steeple]

depends tbh, but imo with 3 times the amount of carnivores presented on the map compared to herbivores, with maia being able to outrun teno, with them adding allo and rex, teno really doesn’t need a stam nerf on top of the damage nerf it received

tho they will do some rebalancing soon, so i guess we’ll see

[viscid mica]

Adrenaline, literally the movements make sense, google how poison works it’s just a cool video game application of it

Nothing magical

[iron tree]

...

I think it's time to draw...calling venom a magic ability is wild

[worthy steeple]

and cera is the only playable that doesn’t use stam for its main attack. it would be fair for the game balance. and imo biting something also takes energy, especially when your damage is 350-500

[iron tree]

venom* ^^

[viscid mica]

All the same thing just depends where it comes from

[iron tree]

poison = if you bite the animal
venom = animal bites you

[viscid mica]

Meh same difference

[worthy steeple]

insta puke is also pure magic

yeah there’s a lot of that stuff in the game

[eternal iris]

Okay that one actually is magic

[worthy steeple]

i guess we should not care about realism

[iron tree]

realism =/= accuracy

[viscid mica]

He got 1 that i can agree with

@warm sundial

Spam post doesn’t help your case

[crimson crater]

its way too stamina efficient to the point i don’t even bait for their attacks anymore

[eternal iris]

I'd be shocked if they don't make that change, its purely QoL

[viscid mica]

Na but bro posted in both gen and balance

Very cringe

[warm sundial]

So lol

[eternal iris]

I'd say its warranted, it's a suggestion for something that feels more like a bug than something that was intentional

[worthy steeple]

there are 3 types of crimes you can commit on this server.

• upvoting your own feedback

• reposting your own feedback in other channel

• pinging kissen kitten🙏

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844582935986247/imageedit_18_3069743454.gif

[crimson crater]

first one is real

[eternal iris]

🙏

[crimson crater]

upvoting your own feedback is a bannable offense

[worthy steeple]

and also cringe🔥

real homies downvote their own feedbacks

[viscid mica]

[viscid mica]

@runic sparrow Ngl headshot stunning sounds fun

I’d love to put over zealous carno chargers in their place

[runic sparrow]

True

[edgy crow]

pachy buffs 👍

[viscid mica]

Tbh pachy should be a carnos worst fear you entire existence relies on speed and stam getting broken in body or leg can be GG for a carno

But the self stun rn makes it kinda…. ROUGH

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message it does

it reduces the bite force by 50%

which imo is bad, because it helps the pachy kill its target, but pachy should only be able to use its ability to defend itself, not to hunt and the reason is very simple. bonebreak is the strongest ability in the game and should be balanced properly

like for some dinos the bonebreak is just straight up a death sentence, pachy should not use its bonebreak offensively imo

[viscid mica]

Does it!?

Maybe I’m just dumb cuz a pachy has never broken my head before

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[runic sparrow]

Sure pachy ALWAYS can defend itself from overaggressive ceras...hmm and if you talk about bone-break...you can just leave pachys alone so you won't get it

[viscid mica]

I’ve never been the victim of such attack

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s still only 500kg

[worthy steeple]

same lol, they usually break my leg or the body

[viscid mica]

Easy enough

[viscid mica]

Body always body nothing else

Getting leg breaks is like hitting the lottery the leg hitboxes are just non existent

[worthy steeple]

i guess the leg hitbox is kinda glitchy, so body fracture is more common

[edgy crow]

What does a body break do compared to a leg break

[viscid mica]

Stam drain

[worthy steeple]

leg break makes you lose a lot of stamia while running, body break doesnt

but body break removes some of your abilities

[viscid mica]

Leg just nukes movement

Can’t alt bite, can’t run

[worthy steeple]

you can run but a lot slower, and both trot and run consume a lot more stamina

you can test that urslef if you want to

[stark knoll]

Increases stamina consumption

[worthy steeple]

idk what body does really, but i know for sure it removes ability to tail slam as the teno

so body fracture + leg fracture and teno is worthless lmao

[viscid mica]

I know leg breaks nuke movement over all so I’ll trust it

[viscid mica]

It affects some alt attacks but otherwise it ads higher stam drain by a pretty considerable amount

Getting body broken for something like a carno is devastating

[shadow vortex]

Hm, maybe if Pachy eventually received the slight speed buff (at least for as long as we have the speed-altering mutations), and got back it's parry with the Carno, it would become a decent playable... Also, uh, chances of successful bucking an Omni should be higher. (And Dilo should be balanced, but that's about Dilo).

[viscid mica]

Don’t even try and buck I just run to a tree or rock

Or position myself to turn and make them go face to face

Alt attacks help

[worthy steeple]

same lol, bucking is awful

#balance-feedback message well idk i would rather just remove the meta mutations instead of giving debuffs for using them

[viscid mica]

If I get pinned I get pinned I’m not burning through 6x stamina just to not buck it off cuz chance

[worthy steeple]

real

[hasty coyote]

the fact that its more stam efficient to jump towards a tree than to buck off an omni is insane

[viscid mica]

Bucking burns stam like a mf ill take the tree 3 gators away

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message
"only knocks down at full speed"

when you charge you already instantly get full speed. you can't charge unless you're at full speed. this is a moot argument lol

also reintroducing frustrating stam drain on top of a ridiculous cooldown, combined with charge being the most damaging part of the kit

we've just reinvented the wheel

[iron tree]

Indeed

Current Carno may not be the best Carno but in the right hands it can actually fight quite well

[thorn mountain]

2T carnos

[iron tree]

We should not add paleo accurate Carno

Accuracy in a game like this could never work. Animals like rex would be busted as hell

[edgy crow]

If carno is FAST, and can fight reasonably well against things its size, what does its prey do?

It can't run away

it just dies

[iron tree]

I killed a maia yesterday

Yes maia is bad rn but still

Carno can punch up if in the right hands

[worthy steeple]

i dream about the days people will accept and love the current carno

[edgy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1331906135317417984/small_game_hunter_reverse.gif

[worthy steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844661797294170/imageedit_19_2009532853.gif

[maiden temple]

I think we still should have choices like these, it's just far more balanced to trade than giving it out for free. Changing any of the stats affects balance that was steadily created over time

I like the base speed for most playables, it's that mutation that ruins it

I think hypsi should be faster since spit is much harder to execute now

[maiden temple]

Carno is the scariest thing that can happen to you while you're growing and I like it

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Dilo has 1h of food and 1h of water, you're spoiled

[regal valve]

I would rather remove all the speed mutations, except for Hydrodynamic but make it exclusive for non semi-acquatics

[maiden temple]

I'd be fine with that too

[regal valve]

Exploit carno's bad agility, hide in bushes to make carno loose it's sight of them, use water to escape, run towards forested areas where carno has a difficult time moving around

I play Omni and Dilo very often, and i was never killed by carnos

usually it's the other way around if the carnos don't run away

[eager saddle]

its charge is also pretty easy to dodge as its turnrate is awful

as omni at least.

[worthy steeple]

tbf i’m fine with the beipi or austro having it, but deino should not have it, it’s just too meta and you’re forced to take it

[regal valve]

mmmhhhh i'd prefer if no semi acquatic had access to hydrodynamic, but honestly Beipi could be an exception since it's a small tier

But things like Deino(both), bary, sucho and spino deff shouldnt have access to it

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[iron tree]

@analog mirage I like those changes :D

[dusky surge]

"76% of its weight (1,000kg)"

JUST MAKE IT 75% WHY MAKE IT SUCH A HYPERSPECIFIC NUMBER

I BEG YOU

[analog mirage]

Ehhh fine

[dusky surge]

Thank u

[regal valve]

isn't the 76% of 1300 988?

[maiden temple]

#balance-feedback message
Growth time should be same as cera's, same weight class.
Last second charge is icky, mostly because carno is hard to hear as is, it's silent when running and the only thing giving it away is the charge grumble

I can hear the grumble very well with the hypervigilance(?) mutation and it saves my butt

[thorn mountain]

I mean its for small game (carnos main food source) so I dont think its that bad and if you are paying attention well its very easy to dodge carno is quite loud as well atleast for me

[crimson crater]

it should be a bit faster to grow than a cera

[maiden temple]

It's silent for me, until it uses charge (or talks)

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message One word, rex.

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i wonder what should happened when 6t animal swings with its tail and penetrates your body with the spikes

it might cause discomfort

[iron tree]

you die

but stego is actually 4t AND impaling =/= stunning

stego should be a glass cannon and not an absolute tank

[worthy steeple]

why?

what exactly makes a stego a glass cannon?

[worthy steeple]

it is in fact 6

[iron tree]

real life stego isn't

[iron tree]

stego doesn't have any kind of armour

its best bet should be to keep its head safe

[hasty coyote]

To be fair, grapple now has a weight requirement of 101% now lol

[hasty coyote]

Compared to the things it’s designed to deal with (Rex) it has low hp but high damage. Plus the 2x head multiplier while most things have 1.5x

[iron tree]

it's too tanky though

I get it, it has bulk and ceras, carnos, dilos, etc. shouldn't be able to solo it

BUT a deino should absolutely be able to brawl with a stego

deino can kill stegos if the stego is swimming but that's it

[shadow vortex]

Why should an aquatic animal be able to punch with a land apex outside of the water?

[iron tree]

deinosuchus is not just any animal

Stego doesn't have to worry about anything

I doubt rex will be faster than stego

[shadow vortex]

Yeah, but it’s still aquatic and succeeds at killing things in the water.

[iron tree]

And with stego's damage output I can see stegos fighting off adult rexes

[shadow vortex]

Trust me it probably will be At least with the ‘murder stance’ or smth like that Don talked about on his stream.

[iron tree]

It's semi-aquatic and has an immense biteforce...why could it NOT kill a stego at the water's edge

a deino shouldn't be on land

but stego is just overtuned

stun + high damage +high bleed + 6k health + excellent damage

idm stego doing high damage and bleed

because it's stego. It should do high damage but it shouldn't be able to tank THAT much

[iron tree]

yes the murder sprint

it might be some kind of ambush tool

and if you give stego stun

don't give it to its power swing

give it to its stab and reduce the stab's damage so it's more of a combat tool

[hasty coyote]

the issue there is that deino isnt designed to brawl a stego, and stego is designed specifically to brawl things bigger than deino.
Deino's attacks are mostly there to help it get smaller dinos off of it or brawl bit with some of the mid-large dinos, as its designed to be an ambush hunter reliant on lunge. Stego's attacks are meant to help it shred stuff like rexes before the rex gets on stego's face and kill it. So unless deino gets mega buffed to be as strong as a rex, or stego becomes fodder, they aren't going to fight fair. Hence why stego wins if its standing on land, and deino wins if it lunges it in the water.

[hasty coyote]

power swing's entire purpose is to deal with the apexes, thats why it reaches so high up, thats pretty much on level with a rex's head. Jab's purpose is to deal with the smaller threats like omni in a more stam efficient manner (since it costs half as much as a power swing and still 1-shots them).

[iron tree]

Stego is overtuned af though

it did well in legacy

it was squishy

[hasty coyote]

legacy is not the same game at all

[iron tree]

but did tons of damage

[hasty coyote]

their combat is entirely different because of the new attacks and entirely different math for damage and hp

[iron tree]

I know but evrima stego is just overtuned and is just..why

maybe it's gonna change with the release of rex, trike and maybe the deino kit adjustments

hopefully deino will get a death roll

And I think you're getting me wrong

[hasty coyote]

how so? yeah it has some insane damage and is pretty tanky due to size, but everything we have in game isnt designed to deal with it. Cera is meant to be a scavenger and just gets 1-shot by stego, carno def doesnt stand a chance, dilo, omni, and troodon all attack the flanks and stego has the best flank defense probably in the whole roster. So like, we have nothing that can stand up to it. Once we have stuff like rex and allo, then stego is def gonna have things to fear, especially since it only gets 10 power swings before it can't fight back

However, this game is balanced around surviving. and everything can survive a stego by just not attacking the stego.

[iron tree]

I like stegosaurus. I want it to fun to fight against it and fight as it. Stuff like omni, cera and carno shouldn't be much of a threat to you. Some folks want their ceras to be able to solo stegos. I just think a larger apex predator who bites and hits like a truck should be able to at least stand a chance

but it literally doesn't unless the stego is swimming

which won't happen too often

[hasty coyote]

yeah, and what you are looking for there is rex, not deino. deino is far too immobile to fight a stego, even if you buff its damage to like 1000 per bite, all stego has to do is: back away, power swing, walk forward, power swing, repeat and a deino will never get close enough to land another bite before it dies.

[iron tree]

I know that everything can survive stego rn

[iron tree]

that's why I hope deino gets a death roll

[hasty coyote]

why would it need a death roll, and what would that even do on land?

death rolls are generally for the water, ya know, when it can just drown the prey

[iron tree]

it's a crocodilian...why would it NOT have a death roll

[iron tree]

they do it on land too

[hasty coyote]

eating animation, thrashing animation

[iron tree]

If it gets a death roll it should be a high risk but high reward ability

[iron tree]

thanks! my deino can attack with its eating animation now!

[hasty coyote]

but like, my issue is, what would giving deino a death roll do for it? Like how would it even function? because the only way I see it ever posing a threat to a stego is if it can 1-shot a stego, which honestly should never happen, and means that the deino just wins against everything, because that would have to be a 3000 damage attack at LEAST.

[iron tree]

I think it should be more of a risky attack which can't be spammed. So basically, if you lunge you can either latch onto larger prey or grab prey. It does high damage based on your stamina. The more stamina = the more damage. If you mess up or wait for too long you waste all of your stamina and your prey can get away or kill you

if you grab a maia for example and you try to drown it and use death roll but you screw up and waste your stamina

it can get away

[hasty coyote]

if its a grapple thing like that, then it would have to do over 6000 damage. which just means not a single semi-aquatic can ever stand up to deino

[iron tree]

6k damage is too much 😭

[hasty coyote]

which just kinda makes deino op, and at that point, just make it lunge 6 tons as it accomplishes the same goal

[hasty coyote]

then it will do nothing for deino

[iron tree]

it does more damage than bites

[hasty coyote]

because it can't 1-shot a stego, so stego just kills it while its out of stamina

so like, its just lunge, but worse because you're on land

[iron tree]

and in the water it could half the oxygen of its prey

[hasty coyote]

again, at that point just buff lunge

[iron tree]

stegos players watching their stego getting rmb'd

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message

buff cera weight??????

https://tenor.com/view/luz-the-owl-house-ibormikroba-throw-up-gif-22121193

[worthy steeple]

carno

oh wait yeah

i didn’t read that part

lmao

[edgy crow]

"I also think that it would include a buff to the cerato in weight so that they have an equal fight again"

[worthy steeple]

like cera is not strong enough

[edgy crow]

one is a scavenger and one is a small game hunter

why are people obsessed with the idea of carno and cera having an equal matchup?

carno can RUN AWAY

[worthy steeple]

yeah lol

[edgy crow]

if carno can reliably beat cera, and cera can't run away, cera is doomed

[worthy steeple]

yes, thank you, thank you for understanding how balance should work

[edgy crow]

👍

[regal valve]

Thing is, usually scavengers aren't good at hunting unlike cera

[abstract yew]

Tell that to hyenas which cera is based on

[regal valve]

Hyenas actualy hunt more than lions do

with more success as well

not as succesfull as african wild dogs tho

[abstract yew]

Exactly

[regal valve]

But cera's supposed to be a corpse bully

not an efficent endurance hunter

[abstract yew]

It's both. There's nothing wrong with that

[regal valve]

It shouldn't be a good hunter tho, it's whole point is to pull up to another's carni's carcass and take it

why would the trash disposal be good at killing things?

Cera is supposed to primarly be a scavenger, think of vultures for example

[abstract yew]

It shouldn't be dependent on that. It should still be perfectly capable of hunting

[abstract yew]

Cera is no vulture. It's based on a hyena

[regal valve]

No it shouldn't the whole point of cera is being the cleanup guys, if you want something that can hunt you pick an actual hunter

[regal valve]

Cera's vomit was influenced by vulture, hell even in it's trailer cera behave more like a vulture
waiting for the carnos to kill the prey and then scaring them away

[abstract yew]

It shouldn't depend entirely on other people's kills. Especially since nothing right now is good at hunting consistently other than cera and dilo (which is just op)

[abstract yew]

Vultures don't scare predators bigger than them away from kills

[crimson crater]

it was described as a honey badger

[abstract yew]

Yes, but the hyena reference is obvious, no?

[regal valve]

It should tho, the point was to make Cera a "trash wagon", not a predator so efficent that it is able to kill diablos and stegos

but since there's no other big carni, i guess that cera won't change for a while

[regal valve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401480390528729091/1081008629047627807/IMG_1332.gif

[abstract yew]

No it shouldn't. A playable entirely dependent on other players is just bad. It's still a trash wagon but it's also a normal predator. When cera gets bigger competition like allo it'll be forced more into its niche but it should stay the same as it is

[regal valve]

It absolutely should, if they don't change cera in some way , it would still be one of the best hunters in the game (which it should not be), even when bigger predators like Allo come to the game. Right now Cera's kit is simply too offensive to be a scavenger, with extremely good stamina and a 300+ damage attack that can spam without any restriction, and the bacterial bite that is still overtuned as hell.

[abstract yew]

Yes, it'll still be a good hunter but when big it'll be forced to either stay close to bodies or moving in packs or die. This effectively forces it in its niche.

[jade prairie]

if cera is based on spotted hyaenas then it should be perfectly capable of hunting (spotted hyaenas kill the majority of the food they eat themselves)
but also i do not like ceras hunting capabilities. it really should be nerfed a bit when away from corpses

[abstract yew]

I personally think cera is fine as is just needs competition

[regal valve]

mmmhhhhhh, i have my doubts
If ceras are able to kill diablos and stegos, allos will be on the menù as well
but i guess we'll have to see

[regal valve]

mainly because ceras can spam an attack that deals 300+ damage

if they made it so you couldn't mindlessly spam it cera would be fine i suppose

[jade prairie]

i had a solo cera kill my stego once

which like fair enough they were an excellent player

but a mid sized, solo corpse bully shouldnt be able to take on an fg stego, you know?

[regal valve]

I killed a pair of dibbles as a solo cera

[jade prairie]

yeah okay thats insane

but also well done.

[regal valve]

and one of my buddies (somehow) soloed a Stego when he was a 70% grown cera

[abstract yew]

No offence but how did you manage to die to a cera as a stego?

[regal valve]

Stego takes tons of damage if hit in the head

[jade prairie]

he somehow managed to dodge all of my attacks and bit my face or tail before i could get the focus back on him

[regal valve]

iirc it's head damage multiplier is like 2.25x

[jade prairie]

i should also add: i had killed another solo cera beforehand with that same stego

i did get a bit cocky in the second fight and let myself be baited a bit too much tho

[abstract yew]

It has a 2× multiplayer which even with charge bites would take a lot of hits. At that point it's entirely on the stego

[hasty coyote]

just 2x, but still much more than the 1.5x most others have.

[hasty coyote]

it takes 9 headshots to kill a stego. which def is on the stego for failing to land a single hit that would 1-shot the cera and failing to defend its head properly.

[abstract yew]

As a stego you can just put your face in a rock and then you just can't loose

[abstract yew]

Yup

[viscid mica]

@analog mirage a full grown reduction overall buffs and more would make carno extremely op as you can grow them fast, they can fight things over a T without much concern as they can eat damage way better than anything in that grow time category.

Cera grow time could justify but nothing faster than that

[analog mirage]

If Carno is designed to to kill things like Dilo and Raptor and is growing longer than something it’s not designed to hunt I think there’s a problem

[edgy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1331906135317417984/small_game_hunter_reverse.gif

[viscid mica]

Bruh what? It’s designed to kill them meaning it’s stronger than them. Why the hell would something designed to delete these Dino’s is significantly heavier and faster need to grow at the same speed

Hell right condition you can solo a cera with ease

On top of that a damage increase

[cursive falcon]

because carno is bigger in size, length and weight it should take longer

its a power house compared to the other carnivores (minus deino)

[dusky surge]

it... it isnt

it's as heavy as a cera, yet takes far longer to grow

[cursive falcon]

powerhouse in dmg

not hp itsa hit and run

[dusky surge]

not even, cera does far more DPS and burst

carno's highest damaging attack is around 175 damage

cera's highest damaging attack is around 350 damage

not to mention cera bites a lot faster

[cursive falcon]

thats alt and charge

its in bite force
carno isfine were it is

[dusky surge]

both carno and cera have 150 bite force, the same amount

like there's really no justifiable reason to make carno take that much longer to grow

[cursive falcon]

thats dumb

then carno should be reverted in weight and dmg

[dusky surge]

no

[cursive falcon]

yes

[dusky surge]

old carno was nerfed for a reason. setting it back will just cause it to get nerfed again

[cursive falcon]

carno should be stronger then cerato Dembo its bigger and stronger

[dusky surge]

they're reducing carno's grow time next patch anyway to account for the new size

[cursive falcon]

Carno speed, dmg, weight
cerato, turn, stam, quick bites

that simple

[dusky surge]

cera should be damage honestly. carno doesn't need to be hitting that hard if its going to be hunting things with small health pools anyways

also "speed, damage and weight" are the three most impotant stats in the game. having carno have all three advantages just makes it easily stomp cerato with no competition

all carno really needs is to grow faster and charge to be more consistent

then it's fine

[viscid mica]

Read bros suggestion and come back to me

[cursive falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-amazing-youre-amazingly-annoying-smakeu-tonydinero-tonyddinerohaha-gif-22625717

[viscid mica]

#balance-feedback message

[viscid mica]

@random stump I’ll take a dilo speed nerf before I take a carno speed buff it’s plenty fast

[maiden temple]

^ agreed

[iron tree]

Update 5 Carno was the most balanced Carno. Change my mind.

[iron tree]

Small game =/= hypsi galli

It should hit hard

It doesn't have a reliable knockdown anymore

Carno still has an advantage over cera

Even if cera is hypercharged rn

[viscid mica]

Really not tbh

[vale brook]

small game in reference to carno is moreso things like dilo/omni/sub tenos/etc, not things the same size as it

also cera really isnt that bad at the moment

[viscid mica]

But carno doesn’t need a advantage over cera sadly the goal of devs is to make carno small game hunter and no great for punching up

[dusky surge]

why would you put hypsi and galli as if they're equals lol

[viscid mica]

Vomit could use a minor tweak but that’s it fr

[dusky surge]

also hypsi and galli literally are small game lmao

[viscid mica]

The goal of carno is to make it the Bain of all things 1T or smaller in its current build

[viscid mica]

The smallest of game

[dusky surge]

not really?

galli is not that small

[viscid mica]

It’s pretty small I meant more so the hipsi

[bronze rapids]

Why cant I react to the latest balance feedback message? My discord screen shakes when I do (About Carno being fastest by Fsh)

[viscid mica]

Glitched

[bronze rapids]

Oh alright lol

[dusky surge]

you're blocked lol

[bronze rapids]

But I've never even interacted with that person T_T

[dusky surge]

yea welcome to islecord LMAO

blocking is how people here seem to say hello

[bronze rapids]

ah yes that makes so much sense

[viscid mica]

Oh I see block anyone who disagree so they can’t react

Fsh mad cringe for that ngl

[bronze rapids]

I was blocked before I could react :') and I wanted to agree

[viscid mica]

That would explain why I can’t react either HAHA

[edgy crow]

Same here 😭

[dusky surge]

thats a genuine strategy people have here

[bronze rapids]

😭 why are so many people blocked by them

[viscid mica]

Na fsh is mad strategy for that

Won’t help his cause cuz this channel exists

Single peek and boof ignored suggestion goofy goober

[viscid mica]

Cuz he is a terrible cook who should be banned from the kitchen and a lot of people disagree with his suggestions

I’m willing to bet if the other 3 who put downvotes unclick it they won’t be able to put it again

[edgy crow]

I have never downvoted them

[keen plover]

I agree! Buff carnos base speed! Make it run at 61km/h !!!

Let it be even faster in charge!

[viscid mica]

I have a lot cuz like I said bro is not a cook

[viscid mica]

Perish

[keen plover]

can you imagine all the laggy hits if carno was even faster

[viscid mica]

You prolly disagreed on a chat at some point

[edgy crow]

To compensate, make it's health only 1 tonne

[dusky surge]

honestly i wouldnt be too upset if carno was made faster

[viscid mica]

It’s laggy enough genuinely avoid carno like the plague if I’m on something smaller cuz of how buggy their already massive hitbox is

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t need to be it’s already zoomy af

[dusky surge]

eh, could be faster. look at galli

[keen plover]

I wouldn't be opposed if charge wasn't an active hitbox

The way charge works right now, I'd hate it if it was faster

I guess you could just buff the base speed and keep the charge speed the same as right now

🤔

[viscid mica]

That could work

It same time charge hitbox is dibble thicc fr

[edgy crow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855527844670865438/1331906135317417984/small_game_hunter_reverse.gif

[eternal iris]

I think an issue is it doesn't feel very speedy because so many other playables are faster than they probably should be. You can outrun things as Carno, but like... barely. It takes a while to actually get any notable distance between you and a pursuer

[worthy steeple]

let it be 100km/h so it kills anything with the crazy desync

[keen plover]

😼 hell yeah

[regal valve]

Might as well change it's name from carno to rugops 🙏

[iron tree]

Oh, silly me meant dryo

I mean Carno is still good

It's fun but imo it could be better

[regal valve]

ye i agree

[iron tree]

I saw a lot of folks saying that Carno needs a speed AND weight buff. Currently it could use a speed buff but the damage output and health is fine

As you rely on speed

[regal valve]

it kinda does it's job, but the ram spam is just not fun imo

[iron tree]

Ceras stand no chance in the open

Teno has the advantage but it's not impossible at all

[regal valve]

honestly i hope they'd revert the weight nerf and maybe increase carno's speed up to 52 Km/h
In exchange for removing the ram spam

[iron tree]

If they do that

[regal valve]

well it also depends on the player tbf

even in open fields i never struggle with carnos

[iron tree]

Charge should be an ambush tool with less damage and a knockdown rather than its main damage output

[regal valve]

even as an omni or dilo

[regal valve]

lowkey true

[iron tree]

A lot of people don't use charge correctly

[regal valve]

that is also true

[iron tree]

Charge is the best way to gain speed, momentum and go do damage

[regal valve]

honestly the charge knockdown should depend on the opponent's weight
like if i charge a Dilo i should knock him over no matter what

maybe not on tail hits tho

cause that's bs

[iron tree]

Yeah

Dilo may be heavy but it isn't as bulky as a cera

[cedar beacon]

@random stump Carno is 59,5 Kmh while charging and gallis max speed is 55,2kmh with full diets.

You are still faster than a speed mutation Dilo while Charging.

they should remove the speed mutations it's so meta.

[regal valve]

True

the only speed mutation they should keep is hydrodynamic

but make it exclusive for non semi-aquatics

[iron tree]

Indeed

[viscid mica]

Like what other than galli?

Dilo with speed mut?

[eternal iris]

That's especially bad

[viscid mica]

So a single Dino that I’d agree needs a minor speed nerf and that’s it?

[dusky surge]

dont nerf dilo speed. just get rid of speed booss from mutations

[viscid mica]

dilo are kinda fast for no reason

[dusky surge]

they have good reason to be fast

[viscid mica]

Like not too too but a little too fast

Not that fast

[dusky surge]

yes that fast

just fast enough to escape the more agile omni

[viscid mica]

They are way faster than omni by ALOT

[dusky surge]

not really

.7km/hr

[viscid mica]

What’s omni top speed exactly

46?

[dusky surge]

46.8

[viscid mica]

And dilo is 48 no?

[crimson crater]

47.5

[eternal iris]

Never understood that reasoning, I never lose 1v1s to Omni as Dilo

Why need to run from them when you can just kill them?

[viscid mica]

I stand corrected guess sense I always run photo feel faster

[viscid mica]

Pounce

Plus if it’s 2 your cooked

[dusky surge]

try killing an entire pack of omnis as a solo dilo

[viscid mica]

You will know FEAR

[eternal iris]

So it needs that speed specifically for if you are solo and run into a pack of Omnis?

[dusky surge]

dilo needs to be able to run. it hasnt the ability to outturn them or jump away

[viscid mica]

Basically

I guess it’s just a speed mut thing

Just run speed mut on carno problem solved

[dusky surge]

yes

absolutely so

out of everything you can nerf about dilo, dont nerf speed

[viscid mica]

If they need venom length it’ll fix 90% of its op ness

But ya no reason to buff carno speed at all

You can’t tell me 1 reason that I will think is a good reason

[dusky surge]

It was 55.6 and turned down to 49.5

[eternal iris]

Well that's a healthy discussion mindset lol

[viscid mica]

Name 1 good reason carno needs to be faster

[viscid mica]

Plenty fast

[eternal iris]

I'm not arguing sides on this because I don't really have a strong opinion on it

I'd be fine with it getting buffed or staying how it is

[viscid mica]

Ngl thou that suggestion that has no downvotes further up on making carno grow time match omni is straight phyco behaviour

Y’all want carno to be the only Dino in server legit insanity

1.2 hour grow on a 1.3T 150 bite force speed demon that specializes in deleting anything 1T and below

That would end well

[eternal iris]

But if I had to give a reason, I'd say homogenizing it's speed to be closer to the other playables loses part of it's identity. Carno is the fast theropod, so other therapods being barely outpaced by it feels sort of strange

[eternal iris]

Honestly I would rework alot about Carno if I could

[viscid mica]

That’s….. actually probably the best arguement I’ve seen so far

Dude I’ll take a carno weigh up before I take a speed buff to out running galli that’s a easy way to destroy galli playability

[dusky surge]

it... used to be able to outrun galli and galli was fine lol

[viscid mica]

With its current charge it would make galli unplayable

[eternal iris]

I can agree with that. If I could have it my way I'd put Carno to 1600, increase speed to 55, make charge less spammable but make it easier to knockdown, and make charge speed only increase you to 58

[dusky surge]

not really at all, no

[viscid mica]

Buggy charge hits

[dusky surge]

i play a lot more galli than i do carno and no not really

[viscid mica]

I’ve never not gotten the galli if they appear before me as carno

[dusky surge]

your stam, agility and speed is well enough to escape, not to mention the jump

[viscid mica]

1600 sure at most 51-52

[eternal iris]

I just dont like the smaller charge spam Carno we have now

[viscid mica]

Fair very fair

The charge hitbox is a wild thing ngl

I love getting knocked down by tail hits

[eternal iris]

Tail hits shouldn't be a knockdown for any attacks that do that, it feels so bad

diablo...cough

[viscid mica]

Tail hitboxes smh

[eternal iris]

You should have to have a well aimed attack to get such a reward from it. Knockdowns are brutal

[viscid mica]

Me a legacy Alberto player who doesn’t know what a tail hitbox is

[viscid mica]

Body hits head hits sure BUT TAIL REALLY

[eternal iris]

I saw that too

Carno having same growth time as Omni would be insane

[viscid mica]

Fr anyone who upvotes that either doesn’t play anything under 1T or doesn’t play the game

[eternal iris]

Thats the issue with putting so much info in one suggestion, I agree with alot of it but that part is kind of out there

[viscid mica]

Yea like I do big suggestions but it’s like 1 point per Dino and im not scared to remove something if it blackens the pool

This dude had decent points but that grow time is just pure insanity

[eternal iris]

Yeah it would make more sense to buff its weight to better match its current growth time, than to make its growth the same as an Omni but keep 1300

[viscid mica]

Like keep growth move its weight to 1500-1600 so it can stand its ground abit better with the larger Dino’s but not become overly dominant

[eternal iris]

Especially since it has Teno, Diablo, and Maia on its diet

I don't know if it's a personal issue, but I get absolutely obliterated by Teno while playing Carno

[viscid mica]

Oh ya teno directly counters carno tactics

You need at least 2 and to pray it’s not skilled cuz if it’s a skilled teno you’ll need 3

I do not fear anything except dilo groups when I’m teno

[worthy steeple]

i got blocked by another person for downvoting their feedback

[worthy steeple]

this is how it should be, teno is almost 20 kn/h slower, you can’t expect it to be a fair fight.

tho 2 good carnos in open vs teno is very fair

[worthy steeple]

1600 carno will destroy current ceras and that says a lot, there’s a reason why carno was moved to 1.3 and didn’t stay 1.8 with the current insta charges, it would be hella op

i can agree with growth changes, buff the sprint to 52, maybe make it a little more resistant to bleed, but buffing its weight to 1600 is too much

[eternal iris]

Feels like the spam charge playstyle is holding Carno hostage to having more unique changes. Would rather them do all of those things and change charge

[worthy steeple]

spam charge also makes it a lot more interesting as a playable and what’s even more important as a brawler. you need a lot of skill to be a good carno and when you’re good you’re unstoppable

i used to hate old carno, like one charge could cost you 40% of your stamina bar, it was awful

[eternal iris]

"spam charge also makes it a lot more interesting as a playable" I guess that's just a matter of opinion, because it makes it less interesting and more 1-dimensional to me

[worthy steeple]

new carno is amazing

it can’t really punch up, but anything 1.3 and below dies to it

[worthy steeple]

idk really, i’m not huge fan of old carno

even tho carno is mostly a spam charge right now it doesn’t make it less interesting as a playable. quite opposite tbh.

now you can really engage the fights without wasting majority of your stam bar on one ambush

[eternal iris]

I agree with some of the ideas I've heard about making charge more a knockdown tool than a straight damage one.

Like having it have a bit longer startup than right now, and a bit more stam drain, but it knocks down much easier and does slightly less damage. Allowing for follow ups with regular or sliding alt-bites

Cause most Carno fights now are just jousting, you run at them, they try to dodge and get a bite as you run by, rinse repeat

[worthy steeple]

hm

[eternal iris]

Unless they have a stun in which case they try and stun you

[worthy steeple]

i mean, that would probable make things worse, insta charge + drift is carnos main tool, making charges build up slower might make it less of a brawler, which is bad imo.

i don’t like charge being just knockdown tool too, you can only get like one alt bite on a target that is knocked down and even that will slow you down and make it easier for other enemies to hit you

[eternal iris]

Is Carno really meant to be a brawler? That doesn't sound right for it

[worthy steeple]

why tho? speedy boy running around, drifting and charging, that sound good

brawlers are always better imo

especially when we talk about land predator

it’s fine that deino or herrera are not brawlers

but for the land carnivore it’s actually better, since it can really have fun fighting instead of relying on one ambush

[worthy steeple]

like for the old carno one unsuccessful ambush was pretty much the end of the fight since it was pretty much half the stam

old carno couldn’t fight for long at all, standing still and alt biting is horrible for the carno

[eternal iris]

Yeah that's why people propose other changes, rather than a straight revert

They just took a weird direction with it

[eternal iris]

That's just sort of homogenizing the roster though. Getting rid of unique play/hunting styles just to make things equal at brawling with each other

[worthy steeple]

idk really, i like the changes, it made carno my favorite carnivore and the only one i really play.

i think you should really give carno another chance, maybe try to play in group of 3 carnos, i want you to see how strong carnos truly are and how amazing it is in the fights

[eternal iris]

I've got one growing on Na4 so I'll try and see what you mean

[worthy steeple]

i don’t think so, brawler is always unique, that what makes it good, skill + unique abilities, ambush predators are honestly really boring most of the time, like deinos whole life is just sitting in the lake one shooting random new players, isn’t it like boooring?

some people like it, for sure, but brawler is always better, interesting and more engaging

[worthy steeple]

tbh its really hard to grow a carno with its slow juvie and sub adult stages, but once you’re fast enough you’re good and don’t need to hide, because tbf sub omni and dilo outrunning sub carnos is crazy

shouldn’t be like that

tho maybe they just wanted to make it nightmare to grow near the small games to compensate it being small game hunter once it’s an adult, idk really

imo it’s more of sub omni and sub dilo being too fast issue

[eternal iris]

Yeah I was just growing it early this morning with like 20 people on, eating AI and chilling

[worthy steeple]

ok nice

[eternal iris]

I guess I just want Carno to have the presence it had when it first got released on Spiro, it wasn't brawl, wasn't really ambush, it was more like "run-down"

They were really fast and strong, you would see one crest a hill in the distance, just be like "oh s#!%" (isle discord doesn't let me swear lol) and try and gtfo before it got over to you. I just don't feel that imposing nature from them anymore unfortunately

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message diablo would cook stego if this was implemented

Cant stun it, but it can stun you and is faster? Sucks to suck I guess.

[viscid mica]

As long as they don’t adjust its knock down cap it should in theory be fine

@simple shard instead of biting make them have to damage to eachother to a certain threshold etc orange health so that they can’t insta heal it and the time resets the moment they stop doing damage it would force members to be extremely weak while roaming and not give them time to heal

[simple shard]

Good one

[slow heart]

people say Troodon isn’t underpowered and is just high skill. They are wrong! “High skill” is such a bad answer 😭.

[eager saddle]

High skill means nothing if 1 latency missed pounce stuns you in front of your target😭

[ruby raven]

Just a thought. Is there a reason why Pteranodons don't float? I understand they would be slow swimmers, but these animals had honey comb bones, they should float.

[timber tusk]

They only sink if their stamina is empty, like every other playable, but they probably were at least better swimmers in real life than they are in game.

In game they swim like irl fruit bats, very badly, but some people speculate that Pteranodons were actually diving hunters like cormorants or gannets, which swim INSANELY well. Gannets would be the better comparison since they use their wings to swim, while cormorants paddle along like the Beipi.

[viscid mica]

But it is high skill I play troodon solo and can kill cera alone without too much struggle 1v1

A group of 3 can reasonably hunt a dibble and maia(if it’s not a healbuild Maia)

[viscid mica]

Troodon doesn’t have stun on missed pounce

[timber tusk]

https://youtu.be/mXXuK9eQVUw?feature=shared
Gannets are kings at this, but even Pelicans do it like this, which is a closer size comparison.

[eager saddle]

you pouncing into someone stops you in your tracks for a sec, which is basically a stun

and 99% of the time your death

[timber tusk]

https://youtu.be/BfEboMmwAMw?feature=shared
at the very least, it’d be nice if Ptera could take off from the surface like almost every fishing birds can.

[ruby raven]

cheers

[timber tusk]

I’m assuming the sinking mechanic is just meant to simulate drowning from exhaustion, which is why it applies to everyone, even Deino.

[viscid mica]

If you’re hitting them aren’t you mounting!? HUH

[ruby raven]

Yeah, Deino sinks when it runs out of stam, but also a Deino can float and swim and not use any stam.

[eager saddle]

Nope because desync messes it up all the time

[viscid mica]

????? You must get way worse de sync than I do

[eager saddle]

Makes you hit the diagonal front instead of the side

[ruby raven]

But also, game play balancing is a thing

[eager saddle]

It’s mostly my friends. The amount of times I see their clips and they die due to desync is nuts

They are really good and know all the strats, but there isn’t much you can do when that happens😢

[viscid mica]

Dam ya that sounds like a wifi moment

[eager saddle]

Like I said

High skill, but it’s irrelevant the second you lag once

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i agree with that, stego really shouldn’t be balanced around fighting the current roster, id expect it to get massive stam buff and remove the damage multiplier on headshot once things like rex are out. because its just seems unfair that it has it.

it’s like if teno was balanced around fighting troodons and had stamina for just few tail slams and kicks

[viscid mica]

It def feels like a current roaster coop

[timber tusk]

And their O2 is so good that I imagine a lot of players don’t realize that they can drown. The few times I play it, I usually stay on the River bed deliver to regen my stamina, which would kill any other playable.

[timber tusk]

If Stego were deliberately balanced to any specific predator, it aught to be Allosaurus. Rex vs Trike and Allo vs Stego are pretty iconic matchups.

[ruby raven]

I have almost drowned as Deino, sometimes I forget how long I have been under

[viscid mica]

We’ll have to wait and see as bigger stuff comes

[fair nacelle]

Should incl more predatory ai like tigers and mammoths, killable but not until adulthood for certain creatures

[slim dragon]

ugh no

[regal valve]

#balance-feedback message
Nah, Stego taking more damage in the head makes sense
you are supposed to guard your head, and if you can't, then you deserve to take tons of damage

[worthy steeple]

no? why does stego take 2x damage but teno doesn’t?

it’s fine with the current roster. but in the future, with the more bigger dinos and especially apexes that won’t make any sense

[worthy steeple]

.

[regal valve]

Small head, deals 2000 damage with tail attacks that can spam and can reach in front of it, why would you make it less punishable for it's mistakes?

[edgy crow]

because nothing on the roster rn should be "punishing" it besides deino

[regal valve]

"In the future as bigger and bigger things get added I think returning stego HS taking 2x to default 1.5x" ziowar meant when bigger carnivores arrive to the game, not right now

[worthy steeple]

i mean, same for the teno? it uses kicks and tail slams and does a lot of damage with the combo, should we make it so it takes 2x damage in the head?

its head is relatively small as well

[regal valve]

teno doesnt deal 2000 damage per hit now does it?

but it would make sense

ill give you that

[worthy steeple]

no? but teno is not 6t

[worthy steeple]

exactly, current stego is balanced the way like if teno was balanced around fighting troodons,

[regal valve]

exactly, why would you reduce the damage taken in the head on a dino with a small head that weights 6 tons?

[edgy crow]

because rex would demolish it if that were the case

[worthy steeple]

because there will be rexes, acros, gigas, albertos in the game

[regal valve]

just use your tail then?

[regal valve]

as it should lmao

if you get hit in the head by an Apex you deserve to take tons of damage

[edgy crow]

so stego just dies to rex with no counterplay? can't run, can't fight?

[regal valve]

plus stego's power swing deals stun because it's the main tool to deal with larger predators, if you get baited and loose your stam, you deserve it

[worthy steeple]

yes, but what that has to do with the damage multiplier, it’s huge amount of damage even without it

[regal valve]

Can't fight? with the power swing?

[edgy crow]

the power swing does 2000... as far as we know rex has 9350 hp

[worthy steeple]

i mean tbf, the game should follow its own logic, i don’t like all the dinos having the same multiplier except the stego for some reason?

like i get it when the trike or the dibble have resistance, but why should stego take 2x?

stego has less hp than rex and it’s also slower, 2x modifier is so unnecessary

[edgy crow]

because stego just desperately needs a weakness /s

[worthy steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232185340425404427/1324844763618476052/imageedit_20_5762493019.gif

[regal valve]

And stuns, and deals high bleed, and can spam it

might as well give stego godzilla's atomic breath lmao

[edgy crow]

...with a stam cost

[regal valve]

your point being?

[edgy crow]

if it has a stam cost it isn't spammable

[regal valve]

by the time the stego's stam is depleted the rex is probably dead if it gets hit with the power swings

[regal valve]

It has a stamina costs and can spam it as long has it has stamina

if you ran out, you deserve to die

[regal valve]

Also Pachy

[mint star]

@molten bronze “you can’t play friendly anymore, because you have to eat them to survive.”

Good.

Once we get more large playables, then deinosuchus can be sustained more at full grown

for now, it simply gets too large to sustain itself

[molten bronze]

Like i said, probably better to find a solution in the middle. Untill " We get more large playables". Nice of you to think along!

[hasty coyote]

It is iconic, but I'm not sure if its gonna work out well in game. Mainly because stego has to be balanced around being able to fend off a rex or it just dies on sight to rex (because there aint no way rex is slower than stego).And even with the way stego is balanced rn, allo just dies the moment it gets hit. First swing deals 1.8k and knocks down, second swing deals another 1.8k, and theres likely another tail hit as the allo gets out of range. So allo would have to be over 4 tons just to survive a power swing, not to mention if it hits the allo in the head.

So its gonna be rough trying to fight a stego as allo, and I can't wait to see all the feedback of people trying to solo a stego and getting vaporized

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message

[hazy lark]

so you think its ok that allo dies on sight to a stego.. or "vaporized" as you put it...but it cant possibly die on sight to rex. what a travesty lmao

[hasty coyote]

there is one big difference from allo getting vaporized by a stego and a stego getting vaporized by a rex: speed.

Unless they somehow make rex slower than a stego, then stego doesnt have a choice in that interaction, it has to be able to survive the fight. And with stego's relatively low hp compared to rex, it needs high damage to survive against it.

Allo can always decide to just not deal with a stego and go somewhere else. Or better yet, pack up to deal with the stego. stego has a pretty big blind spot with its attacks at its head, and it can't block its head from 2 opposite angles. So they def have ways to hunt a stego, but its going to be risky.

[hazy lark]

Nothing "has" to he able to survive anything. There are plenty of fights you don't fear. Why is it so world ending to have a real threat as a herbivore in this game ? Some dinos just lost match ups

Pretty sure it was said recently.. 1v1 Rex wins against mostly everything but trike.

[edgy crow]

No one's saying rex shouldn't be a real threat to stego. Stego should have a CHANCE to win. That chance should be somewhat high. Why would rex survive four 90cm spikes slamming into its face but die to a trike headbutt?

[hazy lark]

Lol why should trike survive the strongest most powerful bite

I mean steggo*

Smaller head than a raptor. Grape face

[hasty coyote]

Theres a difference between a threat and an unsurvivable interaction. Tenos and Ceras are threats to each other, both can kill each other and both have ways of escaping each other. Thats roughly how I see it going with stego v rex, if rex lands that ambush and gets on stego's head, that stego just dies. But if the stego sees it coming, it has to be able to fend it off. Otherwise, stegos just die on sight to a rex and have no way to survive the encounter, can't run, can't hide, can't fight, it just dies. And idk about you, but I dont think anyone would want to grow something that just dies the moment it is seen, especially something that takes like 5-6 hours to grow.

[edgy crow]

It can't run away. If it can't run away, it has to fight. Basic balancing. If it can do neither, then it is useless.

[hasty coyote]

and if rex gets on the head, stego should die, but stego needs the tools to prevent rex from getting to the head.

[hazy lark]

It does that against everything else on the roster. It's crazy you guys get so upset at the idea something can do to steggos what steggos have done with impunity forever now.

[hasty coyote]

the difference is, everything can just not fight a stego, it isnt faster than anything on the roster except a deino on land.

[edgy crow]

Everything can run away from Stego.

What you want is for stego to die on sight to rex. Can't run, can't fight. That is simply unfair.

[hazy lark]

Some match ups you just lose in this game

It's really not a big deal lmao

[hasty coyote]

name one

[edgy crow]

Nope.

I don't think you realise how common rex is going to be. THERE IS NO REASON to play stego if rex just instantly destroys it with no counterplay.

[hazy lark]

Lol ok guys enjoy that copium together

It's been stated that's how it goes

[hasty coyote]

like honestly, other than maybe 2 specific ones I can think of where one of the dinos are op atm, everything has a way to escape or win. Even then, those 2 matchups are still winnable.

[hasty coyote]

if it ends up like that, then stego is just gonna be unplayable.

[edgy crow]

why not remove stego from the game?

[edgy crow]

if all its gonna be is rex food, remove it

let rex mains suffer

[hasty coyote]

and rex will become what stego was, but worse

[regal valve]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-shield-get-this-man-a-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-gif-25958604

[edgy crow]

rex mains don't deserve an easy food source

[hasty coyote]

(I do honestly hope rex, trike, and stego all get thrown into the unofficials only pit)

[regal valve]

How much damage does Stegos tail swing do?

[edgy crow]

maximum 2000... not enough to deal with rex right now

[regal valve]

i cant remember if it was 2000 or 1800

[regal valve]

6 hits it's all it takes to kill a rex

body hits

[hasty coyote]

2000 for the running, 1800 for the power swing.

iirc

[regal valve]

aight thx man

[edgy crow]

rex will presumably do more damage

[regal valve]

mmmhhhhh doubt it

[edgy crow]

might even have a pin

[regal valve]

Stego will have more dps (as it should)

[hasty coyote]

if stego can just stun rex on power swing I think its fine, but we shall see what damage and cc rex has in its kit.

[regal valve]

Unless they do something about the stun spam, Stego will do fine against rex

[regal valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135607582367678607/1289239453390340096/Rex_burger.gif

[dusky surge]

pretty sure dondi has stated outright that stego will have the tools to handle rex idk what you mean by copium

[dusky surge]

also the fact that he never actually named one is really funny

[edgy crow]

[hasty coyote]

honestly lol

[edgy crow]

oh yea not a man

girl moment

[dusky surge]

i dont think that meme has a girl version

[edgy crow]

😔

[worthy steeple]

can we all agree

[slim dragon]

Pachy VS Cera
Pachy VS Carno

[timber tusk]

Yeah, that’s the best way to drown as Deino, and I’ve done that too. It just takes so long that you can forget. I expect the other planned semi-aquatics to be that way too. Like Minmi.

[timber tusk]

Allosaurus is my second most anticipated playable, and I’ll definitely try to take a full grown Stego once Allo is here, to see how they stack up.

[dusky surge]

To be fair

Pachy being ass is not really an intended thing lol

[slim dragon]

Cope

[viscid mica]

Not 1v1 but it’ll prolly do pretty well

[hasty coyote]

Pachy v cera is a speed mutation issue. Pachy v carno is probably the most unique fight in the game. Pachy has to fight until it gets a fracture, and use that debuff to escape the carno. Plus, pachy has one key mechanic that counters both: jump. Though yeah pachy is kinda just cheeks in general atm, it at least still has ways to survive both.

[iron tree]

Oh dear....

[dusky surge]

thats a good thing lol

[iron tree]

I hope stego has a slight disadvantage but is faster than rex

#balance-feedback message
This version of charge is literally the worst out of all carno charges

[native canyon]

You dont need to use Charge, its need to be skill matchup rather then spamming.

[slim dragon]

stego is gonna get a speed boost then lol

[dusky surge]

^

speedy stego lets go

[iron tree]

Spam charge isn't broken at all. It is hard to knock something down and it does a bit more damage than bite. If you use your environment you can escape or even avoid spam charging carnos. Carnos are dangerous in the open. Fight them in a dense forest or don't engage with them at all in open areas

[iron tree]

But using charge once just be almost out of stamina is NOT a reliable ability

[iron tree]

Rex looked slower than stego in dondi's stream

[dusky surge]

like hell it did lol

[slim dragon]

It really wasn't

[iron tree]

I mean rex ain't even out yet

[dusky surge]

and then there's the quote "murdersprint"

[iron tree]

Yeah

[dusky surge]

so i very much doubt stego is outrunning LMAO

[iron tree]

It sounds very bad

[dusky surge]

stego better be able to fight back

[iron tree]

As a diablo main...I am scared

[dusky surge]

a rex slower than stego sounds like a travesty

[iron tree]

I don't recall if rex will be able to throw stuff around on release

I hope so

[dusky surge]

it should be able to, there'd be no reason to not have that feature

[iron tree]

Ngl if I die to cool stuff like a rex throwing me around I literally wouldn't mind dying

[iron tree]

Hell yeah

[native canyon]

Spam charge is not broken. But its not suits a playstyle. Using and holding RMB until you knock something down its a not good gameplay. There is literally no skill matchup and nothing. Back then you could easily escape from raptor or dilo without using charge spam. But now you have to use charge to escape. Dilo and raptors outspeeds you with single mutation.

[iron tree]

It suits its playstyle and niche

Carno hunts stuff smaller than it

[native canyon]

Charge attack should be a special attack. And it should not be used all the time. Only then will it help the player if the player uses it properly. At the right timing and at the right place.

[iron tree]

And combat mutations are breaking the game's balance anyway

[iron tree]

What do you suggest?

Charge right now is fair and fun

[native canyon]

No its not

[iron tree]

Old charge punished the Carno for using it

[iron tree]

It is

[native canyon]

İf you know where to use it you can easily kill any small game

[iron tree]

You can escape carnos and fight back

[native canyon]

You dont need to escape from Carnos since its not cannibal.

[dusky surge]

i much prefer current charge to old charge

[iron tree]

Keyword: where

[iron tree]

I'm talking about other playables

[native canyon]

Spamming charge is a not good gameplay there is no skill usage

[iron tree]

There is

Good carnos can take down tenos and ceras solo

[native canyon]

Back then you can already escape from carnos anyway. Carno had bad turning and if you cant then thre is skill issue.

[iron tree]

They've still bad turning

[native canyon]

Yes and good ceras and tenos tho. So no point

[iron tree]

What

[hasty coyote]

Tbh, even if carno has a low skill floor because spam charge, I think that kinda suits it as the small tier bully.

[native canyon]

No point for Not Balance it again. Because currently charge spamming have cons more then pros

[iron tree]

Incorrect

It lacks consistent knockdowns and does only slightly more damage than its bite

[native canyon]

And now you have to charge over and over again and good player never let you hit himself. Even raptor outspeed you so no point charge spamming

[iron tree]

Smaller playables have a higher chance to escape/survive because of carnos current health

[iron tree]

Raptors can never outspeed you

Even with speed mutations

[native canyon]

With mutation ys

[iron tree]

Nope

[native canyon]

yes

[iron tree]

No they can't

Speed raptor is 48 kmh

And charge exists

Speed dilo can

[native canyon]

Yea even 2 raptor kill you easily Since you are small game hunter you can hunt all raptor pack right ?

[iron tree]

You can

If you're good enough

[native canyon]

but no. Cera wih turning have more chance against small games

[iron tree]

Well I did kill an entire raptor pack a while ago

And 2 ceras

[native canyon]

Carno have disgusting Bad turning you dont have any chance against raptor or raptor pack. And carno is a litreally running big Turkey at this point

[iron tree]

1. Ceras are hypercharged rn
2. They're by far slower than them

[native canyon]

Carno need to revert update charge not gonna help the player

[iron tree]

Drift. Insta acceleration. Charge.

[native canyon]

No chance. Budy

[iron tree]

That'd literally nerf it rather than buff it

[iron tree]

Buddy*
And maybe you are just bad at carno

[native canyon]

I have total 800 hour of carno maybe you played carno very well But iam talkign about experineces and i dont think you have it

[iron tree]

I don't struggle with raptors at all

[native canyon]

There is no skill with spamming

[iron tree]

I've 2.1k hours. 1k of them are evrima and I got like 700 hours on carno

[iron tree]

If you can't even beat a raptor pack you lack the skill to use charge correctly

Always use charge as a speed buff to get some distance, drift and charge again

Bait some charges too and when a raptor pounces you, charge away with the raptor to finish it off somewhere else

And ALWAYS fight in open areas

[native canyon]

they dodge it any scenario if you fighting versus good pack. If they know what they doing they pretty much dodge charges Carno need old speed back. And stamina

Dont tell me what i need to do because current charge is sucks

[iron tree]

It has better stamina and is faster when charging

[iron tree]

It literally doesn't

Do what I told you

Master it and see for yourself

[native canyon]

Back then you dont need to charge everytime you HAVE to use charge only if you need it.

55 speed is litreally need for Carno and Carno need to be speedy more speedy then any roaster since its known as most fastest dino

[iron tree]

You don't have to charge in certain matchups. Charging against maias is a death sentence

[iron tree]

Carno is almost 60 with charge

And old Carno was worse than the current Carno in every way

[native canyon]

You dont need to use charge spam everytime. There is no skill

[iron tree]

Me when stego, raptors, dilos, cera, deino, etc.

Why would an animal not be allowed to rely on its main ability

[hasty coyote]

You didn’t “need” to charge back then because charge was such an awful ability that it would literally handicap you for using it by burning stam. Now it’s an actually useful mobility tool that still isn’t necessary because bite still deals more damage.

[native canyon]

Carno's stamina is halved until you open the distance between them.( Dilo and raptor)

[iron tree]

Charge deals 25 more

[iron tree]

What?

[native canyon]

Damage is not important to change or i dont care

[hasty coyote]

Does it? I thought it dealt like 100-125. My b then. Still can stop charging and bite for some extra agility.

[native canyon]

When you run from raptor and turn drift back you have almost %60 stamina left.(after opening the distance for a long time)

[iron tree]

Yes

[iron tree]

No?

[native canyon]

It may not be exactly 60 but it's around there

[iron tree]

It costs barely any stamina

[native canyon]

No

[iron tree]

Yes

[native canyon]

No

Also you dont need charge eveytime speed is enough for player

[iron tree]

Yes, dude test it on a free admin server

[native canyon]

I dont want to argue with you if you still dont agree your problem

[iron tree]

It's its main ability

[iron tree]

my problem?

I've never had a problem. I like current Carno and the old Carno would only nerf it

[native canyon]

yes but damage is to low and chage spamming is not a gameplay there is no gameplay you holding only RMB any combat against small creature then itself

Carno is sucks and awfull

Yes and iam telling you

[iron tree]

Dilos and carnos catching up to your sprint is not a Carno problem it's a mutation problem

[native canyon]

Iam telling you thats your problem

[iron tree]

It does not

[native canyon]

IT suck

[iron tree]

That's not my problem 😭

[native canyon]

Yes sorry but you think wrongly if your choice is that well good luck

Carno is sucks with awfull stamina and speed not suits it and its need to be more big for roaster

[iron tree]

So you want the Carno changes to be reverted? What sucks more...a carno that actually can survive and hunt or a carno that gets punished for using its main ability

[native canyon]

Yes. Both

[iron tree]

I don't know if you're just rage baiting or actually just bad at carno

[native canyon]

If you use wrongly charge you get punsihed. More like skill gameplay

If you have time come PM then we can go admin

[iron tree]

Pressing rmb once just to lose 70% of your stamina is NOT skillful

[iron tree]

It's late for me

[native canyon]

add me friend ill show you later

[iron tree]

It's 3:32 am

Just record a video and dm me

[native canyon]

Later

[iron tree]

I won't be adding anyone today

[native canyon]

I'll be waiting for friend request reply.

[iron tree]

Just dm me later

I don't accept friend requests from people I barely know

[native canyon]

👍

[worthy steeple]

the charge is almost 60 tho

[native canyon]

I am talking about how charge is not important for a gameplay and you are telling me this. 😀 😃

😀

[worthy steeple]

it is important, wdym?

[worthy steeple]

there is a lot of skill in current carno

[native canyon]

You have to use it in right timing and right place. More like skill gameplay. Not gonna argue with you because i dont think you have to change your mind.

[worthy steeple]

i’d say you need a lot of skill to be good as the current carno and that’s great

[native canyon]

If you miss charge.Then player issue

[worthy steeple]

you’re not gonna argue with me because i have different opinion?

[native canyon]

No

Iam not gonna argue with you because i dont think i can change your mind

[worthy steeple]

yes, you can’t, that’s for sure

[native canyon]

yeah good luck.

[worthy steeple]

how would you change the current carno if you were the dev? just asking

[warm flax]

adding a step on attack?if the target got knock over

step on it and deliver a heavy bite

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message reduce it a full 100kg to 350kg

Would make Omni feel far less oppressive

And make Galli an actual opponent for it

[dusky surge]

let it clamper/climb to compensate

not well, mind you

but it'd add far more to the niche

[edgy crow]

It doesn't need anything as compensation

[worthy steeple]

@native canyon you were typing for like 10 minutes, dude

[crimson crater]

eh i don’t think it would look right

[worthy steeple]

omni climbing

omni climbing

[edgy crow]

Omnis have all the tools to oppress the vast majority of playables

[crimson crater]

it’ll only get worse when more small tiers get added

[edgy crow]

They're just not good enough to use them

[dusky surge]

i believe it does imma be honest

[edgy crow]

Why

[dusky surge]

first of all, fun factor. the ability to clamper up small trees is just really fun

second of all, omni is still rather tough for the new player, adding a unique option that can be used in niche scenarios gives people more room to experiment, especially with a ligher animal that more than likely will neeed to evade over fight

[edgy crow]

It's RMB can one shot any AI, getting food with it is pretty easy

[dusky surge]

ehhh, that can be said for MANY characters

[edgy crow]

Fair.

I still think Omni is manoeuvrable and fast enough that it doesn't need a climb mechanic

It's not like it has substantially low health or bite force like herra either

[worthy steeple]

i mean, i don’t see how omni climbing can hurt the balance or be bad in general. imo it would be a great addition to its kit

[dusky surge]

^

if its a very weak clamper, it's fine imho

something to escape threats or so on

[timber tusk]

I like that. Build it to really punish when it can get a knock down. Wouldn’t work against tanker stuff like Dibble, but it wouldn’t be meant to anyhow.

[timber tusk]

It would need to have a pretty hefty stamina cost tho, otherwise they’d just pull every Herera they see to the ground, no problem.

I don’t think it needs it tho, just because its jumps are insane. I don’t normally play Herera, but I did today and happened upon a nesting pack of 5-6 Raptors. I stalked around in the trees for a while, hoping to snag some of their scraps or an egg that had fallen out of the nest. Once they spotted me, I was floored by how high they can jump. It was at that one skinny pond with some low cliffs, and me hanging at the very top edge of the cliff, I was BARELY out of their reach when they jumped from the bottom to try and get me. Brother, NOTHING else in this game has ups like that! Scary!!

[worthy steeple]

yes, but herrera is almost the same speed as omni, but herrera can just jump on omni that is climbing or jump on the other tree

[warm flax]

it will make carno a real threat to small pack of omni and dilo

[worthy steeple]

hmm tbf if carno knocks something down it can alt bite and do like 200 dmg i believe

so you can do the combo even now, but knocking something down is pretty hard without ambushing it

[regal valve]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-woman-a-true-get-this-woman-true-gif-27622485

[edgy crow]

👍

https://tenor.com/view/envy-adams-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-scott-pilgrim-envy-envy-adams-show-scott-pilgrim-takes-off-gif-8061965244517099212

[paper nebula]

Gallis can jump super high and kick aswell

[quick cargo]

@oblique hull omni is a glass cannon lol

[crimson crater]

@regal valve it shouldn’t take stamina upon activation. massive nerf that would make cera pachy tier lmao

[regal valve]

Why?

[edgy crow]

Instead it should take stam upon letting go

[crimson crater]

because the charged bite can be stalled out by things faster than it, you can abuse this really badly

[regal valve]

Then use it when you are confident you'll hit the target

And if they are that fasts that ur bite gets stalled out, you can probably just kill them with regular bites

Cause i doubt a good Cera can get stalled out by a Teno

[crimson crater]

not how it works, you start charging up the dmg and then use it. the opponent can just run away when you start charging and then you lose unnecessary stamina for just preparing a bite

[crimson crater]

not tenos but things like carno, dilos, omnis etc

[regal valve]

So all things you can kill with regular bites

[crimson crater]

nah? carnos will steamroll ceras with that change u proposed

[regal valve]

Unless they have a light speed fast reaction times, it's hard that is gonna happen

[regal valve]

No?

[crimson crater]

you just go close to them and when they start charging you run away. things faster than it can do and abuse that to deplete all its stam

[regal valve]

Plus the stam cost on activation is only 1 of the way i proposed to balance out Cera's charged bite, it doesn't necesarely have to be that one

[regal valve]

With Carno's agility?

[crimson crater]

you don’t have to be extremely close, just close enough that they will start charging

this change will just make cera unviable

[regal valve]

Cera's fault for not making sure it's attack is gonna land

[crimson crater]

are you serious? its slower and can’t control the engagement. the carno can just run away the moment it starts charging what is there to make sure about

[regal valve]

It's gonna be unviable because it can't spam a 350 attack without repercussion or any form of restriction?

[crimson crater]

this nerf ain’t it, it can be very abusable but you somehow fail to understand that

[regal valve]

mmmhhhhhh, i don't think it will mess up cera that bad honestly, you can still outmanuver carno pretty easely, just dodge carno's charges and the pursue it when it got low stam, then when it can't run away you can kill it with charged bites, shrimple as that

I done this many time and always had at least still 50% stam left

[crimson crater]

you can outmaneuver carnos but that dosent matter when its running in a straight line away from you

[regal valve]

But then again, it doesn't have to be the stam cost, just some kind of restriction so it can't spam the charged attack anyomre

[crimson crater]

stamina on activation for an attack like ceras won’t work, just have it take stam when it bites

[regal valve]

As long as it prevent's charged bites spam, i'm all in for it

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message "bored to get 1 shot by everything"
Meanwhile troodon mains:

[regal valve]

#balance-feedback message i think that's a good idea

How many dots tho?

i was thinking 5 or more

[agile saffron]

ye like 5

5-7

[abstract yew]

@late torrent Cera can't outrun dilo what are you talking about? It also runs 40 km not 42, it's one of the slowest carnivores in the game. Broken mutations aren't a reason to nerf cera.

Also you can fight it with most things.

[late torrent]

Well , then I dont how I got outruned 3 times

and about 40 km , thx didnt know it is 40 last time i played it was 42

[shadow vortex]

One word: hackers.

Cera can’t run faster than 42.2, and Dilo has a /\ speed curve during its growth (it’s faster as a sub-adult), so it can’t be outran even during that stage.

[late torrent]

Ok , then unlucky me

[eager saddle]

I added a troodon sweat emote just because of that, I had the same thought🤣

[brave estuary]

@native canyon spamming is fine as long as it doesnt deal maximum damage in the beginning.

[native canyon]

👎

[regal valve]

Spamming is lame

[native canyon]

Spamming sucks and carno dont need it. if you know how to use it you are fine.

[brave estuary]

I dont see anything wrong, you're spamming and it results in no damage?

I just see satisfaction in being able to hit, drift and then turn around and charge again

[iron tree]

That debate is still going on?....

[brave estuary]

apparently

nobody can keep carno alone 😭

[steep otter]

Bruh cera needs a charge bite fr

[native canyon]

@brave estuary the point is you still can hit run without use charge 55speed enough to catch up things. You dont need charge everytime

[viscid mica]

@undone hollow carno are a top predator of dilo

You can easily roll a small group of dilo as a solo carno

Charge is a magical thing

[viscid mica]

I feel like you underestimate how strong proper mid class will be

As cera rn a trio can reasonably take on your average stego with charge bite spamming

An allo default biteforce will probably be as strong if not more than the max damage that cera charge bite can do

[regal valve]

another reason to remove cera's charged bite spam

[viscid mica]

It’s supposed to be for applying bile if they made it do reduced damage without bile (max 200vs350) would be better

[regal valve]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-smiley-so-emoji-gif-11971339

[viscid mica]

But I’m just thinking of when Dino’s with massive attack hitboxes come in how often HS will get landed by some of the quicker MTs

All I can think of is how oppressive stuff like allo, Alberto and Sucho with being more mobile and in groups hitting HS

In terms of weight class stego is only large meaning it can get grinded down pretty fast by a solid group of kids especially if your biteforce is 400 default HS would be 800

[viscid mica]

@undone hollow why not

No reason why a dibble should ever be trying to fight a stego just leave your faster by a lot and got way better stam same applies to stego for trike trike for shant etc etc

Only reason you have to fight a stego is if your mixpacking or a fool

Or their mixpacking but tbh rarer than not

Also why stego doesn’t need to do stun damage to larger stuff

[worthy steeple]

#balance-feedback message i think it’s essential for stego to be able to stun, especially things larger than itself, it just won’t be able to survive without being able to stun the rex

and imo it should stun anything smaller than itself, it’s pretty easy to avoid the stego anyway, it’s hella slow

don’t need to fight it if you don’t want to

[viscid mica]

I HIGHLY DOUBT it will be able to stun Rex with anything less than a HS

[viscid mica]

My point was primarily dibble stunning large quadrupeds as they can stun stego and stun lock them rn so unless you hit first as a Rex you’ll get stun locked

You can’t tail swing when they are doing charge hits it’s goofy ah

Probably the only reason I lost my. 4T stego to mixpackers was getting stun locked by the 3 dibbles

2 I managed to bait one and kill em

@wanton edge the only part I agree with is last the kick and dps got recently changed and the shove is very responsive

Maia PvP isn’t terrible as it was after HT the stance switching bug is annoying

[wanton edge]

shove IS responsive. i meant the time it takes to stomp followup is entirely too long. and the dps is still too low for the other angles of the alt attack.

[worthy steeple]

it should, and imo it’s the only way to make the fight at least semi-balanced

[worthy steeple]

but they can’t stun lock, it got fixed while ago, they can’t even knock it down anymore

[worthy steeple]

oh rip

[worthy steeple]

tbf alt attacks in quad are really fast, like you can’t make them faster without making it too op.

if maia misses an alt attack it should be punished

the biped alt attacks are really slow, but it’s not like you ever fight in biped, you always want to fight in quad

there is also almost no delay between shove and stomp, i don’t know what you talking about

[wanton edge]

a full 3 seconds after alt attacking for a punishment window is absurd. and there is a delay.. sometimes it will not allow u to stomp other times it'll take a century.

[worthy steeple]

hm weird, never had that issue with the stomp, were you in biped?

it’s not 3 seconds tho😭 it’s a lot less. and it’s that way so dinos like cera and teno can fight back in case maia decides to kill them

[wanton edge]

yes, it's the reason why fighting tenos is an impossibility as maia. u simply cannot deal enough damage to take them out.

[worthy steeple]

that’s amazing, they’re faster than teno, they should not be stronger as well

[wanton edge]

the quad recovery time for a frontward facing alt attack is 3 seconds..

[worthy steeple]

and even with all the nerfs it’s still pretty much 50/50 fight if maia is good and that’s awful

[wanton edge]

tenos are more agile with a much larger stamina pool. regardless if a maia goes aggro on u, u can simply just dodge out of the way.

that's like a miniature donkey trying to kick a longhorn to death

[worthy steeple]

doesn’t work, maybe only if it’s one maia, you can kinda dodge it or maybe run away to the jungle, but if there’s more maias they will definitely run you down

funny how maia is more effective against the tenos or ceras than dilos or omnis

basically 2 things it should absolutely destroy

[wanton edge]

not if u run into a forest + once again teno can out stam maia. shove takes insanely large amounts of stamina for nearly no damage.

[wanton edge]

it is NOT more effective against either than dilos or omnis 😭

[worthy steeple]

hm. that’s how you do it:
start in quad, aim and then quickly switch to biped and stun the teno, stomp right after, works every time.

thanks isle god they made maia useless once it’s out of stam, it can’t stomp

[wanton edge]

u can just dodge out of the way 😭 that tactic as maia only works when playing defensively. unless the teno has zero brain cells then a maia will never end up catching them with shove.

[worthy steeple]

it is tho, like you’re saying maia is more effective against faster and more agile omni than cera or teno?

[wanton edge]

actually yes, if u play to confuse them it is very effective. chipping with headbutt and making random spontaneous movements and catching them slipping with a kick or slap ends the fight easy.

[worthy steeple]

sadly, dodges never work when there’s more than one maia hunting you. it’s like with the carno, it’s easy to dodge one, but once there are too you can’t do anything, can’t really dodge both of them charging you

[wanton edge]

cera can literally just basic bite u to death and teno can run circles around u kicking u.

[worthy steeple]

true, but only if maia stands still

[wanton edge]

that's pretty avoidable by finding a forest. lots of obstacles make shove hard to land or follow up with. by the time the maias have chipped u down to 75% ur're basically in the clear to run away since they would've done no dmg with the shove and would be out of stamina.

[worthy steeple]

well, hopefully that will work

[wanton edge]

it will. im pretty sure no maias are planning on losing 75%+ stamina chipping a teno down to 85% health for fun.

[edgy crow]

#balance-feedback message pachy buffs pachy buffs pachy buffs pachy buffs

[swift wind]

did somebody say buff omnis?

[edgy crow]

no

[swift wind]

didnt know people got cancelled here for speaking the truth...

[edgy crow]

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[swift wind]

if youre opening your mouth to speak about anything other than buffing omnis youre wasting your breath and other peoples time

[viscid mica]

Let me put it this way why it doesn’t need it to be faster

There are exactly 2 Dino’s in the game that can survive a encounter with 2 Maia galli and stego everything else simply gets gang violenced

[viscid mica]

Oh you sweet innocent they can stun lock if they stay in spar and spam m1 you can’t tail swing