balance-feedback-discussion

[crimson crater]

you have brought this upon yourself batata

[winged plinth]

Btw as I searched, Troodon isn't considered to be not real yet it's a dubious genus, scientists seem to be are not fully sure

Yeah I guess we only have 1 tooth that's what it's called troodon

[karmic nebula]

Basically everything we know about dinosaurs changes every year, Spinosaurus changes every few months haha

[winged plinth]

We are in 2025 and I'm still waiting for the spinosaurus being a seal theory proved

[karmic nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/spinosaurus-dinosaur-meme-2027-paleomeme-gif-14471555602216043670

[winged plinth]

I guess I'm ready for a new nerf for my fav dinosaur, next year maybe we are dropping him to 6 tons, maybe we won't call him an apex predator any longer lol

Meanwhile other apexes gets buffed every minut that's weird

[karmic nebula]

it's a conspiracy, clearly the scientists are actually t-rex people who think jurassic park is fake news

[worthy steeple]

the person i was fighting yesterday wasn’t on the server sadly, i 1v1ed other maias and they were average.

i guess we should wait till tomorrow

[winged plinth]

Lol

I remember telling this joke in tiktok and I got attacked by paleo accurate nerds

[viscid mica]

So what I’m hearing is only 1 super sweaty Maia was able to do what you said

[worthy steeple]

few of them, but they’re not on

[viscid mica]

basically proved my point

Cheers

[worthy steeple]

what point?

my point wasn’t that every maia is like that, my point was that maia has a lot of potential, it’s too new for majority of players to be good as it

but wait for like a month or two and you will see a lot of tryhard maias running around in packs and killing everything they see

[viscid mica]

You mean what tenos already do

Ya not game breaking I expect it fully

Tbh until we get bigger carnis herbis kinda have free reign to do that stuff

[worthy steeple]

they don’t, only thing they can outrun and bully is probably a cera? but you don’t see that very often since it’s quite opposite 90% of the time

[viscid mica]

Once we get some bigger carnis they’ll put that to sleep

[viscid mica]

I mean tenos do be out for blood on a personal level 90% of the time

[worthy steeple]

alright just wait for a while and you will see that i was right

like actually

[viscid mica]

Right that what maias will go hunting for kills

That’s already happening and unless it’s something solo they are dying

They get brutally out dps’d

[worthy steeple]

yes, you need to think about the future, not how maia feels right now

[viscid mica]

Trust me all I think about is the future

[worthy steeple]

that have 3.8hp and still do a lot of damage

[worthy steeple]

good

[viscid mica]

Future of the primary game play of survival

Not exclusively how they feel in perfect condition PvP

[viscid mica]

Even if in a group if they’re opponents are as well they’ll be fine plus the actual survival aspect applies and there are many ways to evade them

[worthy steeple]

i like how you understand that cera with speed mutation is bad for the pachy players.

but you just refuse to understand that maia being faster than almost everything else and being able to bully is bad

like you’re so close to understanding but every time you fail

even tho it’s almost the same exact situation

[viscid mica]

Because it’s current capacity for PvP isn’t that amazing

A half competent player can see all the holes in their attacks 1v1 and in group battles all they’re attacks do AoE

They litterally kill eachother trying to get one of you

[hasty coyote]

I hopped on for a bit earlier and fought a teno, maia's quad turning is about the same as a teno running around it. Only issue is that the start up and end lag on maia's attacks make it difficult to hit the teno like that. So if the teno can bait an attack, it gets a free kick, and those kicks do a LOT of bleed. Plus this teno was not running away and was actively fighting me so I was standing still most the time, yet I still bleed heavily. First fight I managed to kill it at like orange and like 70% bleed, second fight it won as I only got like 3 hits off before it dropped me to orange and 60% bleed because it learned the attack timings. Also, whatever tenos you saw that couldnt dodge a maia in biped did not know about the A and D keys, its insanely easy to juke.

[viscid mica]

^

They arr all hyper easy to bait due to slow speed and bad hitboxes

And give you a lot of time between attacks to punish

Again in a group they’re big damage dealer the stomp is AoE meaning it’s 1 or freindly fire

[worthy steeple]

maias turn in place is faster than the teno can run around it, don’t start running just wait till teno comes closer, that’s the way. if you start running it will most likely dodge it.

try to fight apex or kznszn on norden, they’re pretty good maias

especially the last guy

[hasty coyote]

Heres the thing with maia: its only fast OR strong, never both.
Biped is incredibly easy to dodge and has high stam costs, Quad should have good attacks but be much slower. So anything it can bully in biped can easily juke it, anything it can bully in quad can easily outrun it.

[worthy steeple]

yeah biped is not really for fighting, it’s more for running away

[viscid mica]

That’s a lie

[worthy steeple]

you always want to fight in quad

[worthy steeple]

slow alt attacks, poor turn, good luck hitting anything in biped

[viscid mica]

No that teno can’t run circles around it

It 100% can

[worthy steeple]

you should definitely test this and send me a clip of you doing this

not against afk maia pls

[viscid mica]

If I get a chance

I don’t play PvP servers thou

So any testing or experience is from FG and pvping on officials

[hasty coyote]

unless that teno keeps its distance, the turn rate is about the same. Had one literally circle around me where I couldnt hit it without stopping the turn to alt, which means it could juke. Also, if I wait for the teno to run up to me and swap to biped, the swap animation and acceleration give the teno about a full second to move out the way before I can rmb them. If you can't dodge that, thats on you.

[worthy steeple]

the potential, if you can’t hit the teno that means you’re not as good as maia

[hasty coyote]

plus heres the thing, if ceras can run circles around maias, tenos can too, tenos are faster and have more agility. And ceras can 100% run circles.

[worthy steeple]

because i definitely fought maias that can easily do it

[hasty coyote]

that or you can't dodge

someone here has a skill issue, it may be both of us, but someone does

[worthy steeple]

0.1km/h difference, cera is more agile and smaller

[hasty coyote]

cera is less agile than teno

teno and 180 near instanlty, cera take a bit

[worthy steeple]

who knows, i actually predict that if they won’t change anything we will see huge tryhard maia packs in a month or two

tho the difference between maia and carno or cera for example is that maia is a herbivore with 8 pack limit and it’s very easy to sustain a huge group of herbivores

i guess time will tell

[viscid mica]

We see them on official now

They don’t win

Massive kill squads get stalked and then hunted to extinction slowly but steadily it is da way

[viscid mica]

Truely

I mean if we are being fair by the time people get good allo might drop and that will ruin that

Even if allo is only in the 2.5-2.8 ball park the power of a mid tier carni will really throw mid tier herbis in a loop

[crimson crater]

smaller =/= better

[winged plinth]

@dusky surge did you say something?

[uncut trellis]

@steep echo here’s the thing, troodon can run for nearly 3min straight with good diets, which is better than every other carnivore. It only feels worse cause of its pouces, and the fact it has a bad Stam regen (I assume to compensate), its regen is literally worse than pachy

And I’m not saying something isn’t wrong cause there very much is, just stating the facts I know

[steep echo]

Well I'm in agreement. It should have less running stam than its herbivorous contemporaries, because of its potential carnage. Pounce is 95% of troodon's damage output though and you basically get maia's current situation. You can only choose to do one, run or fight

[trail hollow]

whats the dilo v omni machup like? my brain tells me 1v1 would be pretty even

[shadow vortex]

If Omni is with full stamina and lands a pounce in the open space onto a Dilo, it most likely wins, if Dilo’s bucking is either nonexistent or screwed by random (LMB pounce deals 1000 raw damage in this case, and Dilo can’t run to a tree). If Omni out-maneuvers a Dilo, it most likely wins even without a pounce. If both players are average-skilled (e. g. Omni was bitten several times, and can’t pounce a Dilo for long enough), I’d say the Dilo wins. Especially if venom is stacked.

Imho, this fight is more Dilo-sided right now.

[worthy steeple]

every fight is dilo sided right now tbf, it’s broken

[trail hollow]

did they fix the thing with invincible hallucinations?

[worthy steeple]

no

[trail hollow]

i see

[crimson crater]

#balance-feedback message me when the deterrent mechanic is a deterrent:

[steep echo]

well until they make touches to charge bite to not be a primary attack, its gonna be more than just a deterrent

[crimson crater]

talking about the bacteria not the charged bite

[edgy crow]

Also carnivore gameplay is meant to be brutal

[viscid mica]

It’s not that hard if you play it right

[dusky surge]

cera needs a nerf, issue is everyone keeps going after what it should have rather than what it shouldn't

hitting at its body buff or bacterial deterrents just forces it into a more generic hunter archetype, rather than the actual fun corpse bully playstyle

[viscid mica]

It doesn’t

Cera is fine we just need bigger Dino’s

Or to un nerf carno

[dusky surge]

bigger dino's won't fix jack

we got bigger dinos and cerato hunts them LMAO

[viscid mica]

Bigger canris goober

Not herbis we got plenty of those

[dusky surge]

what exactly does it change if it's a carni

that doesn't fix the cera issue at all lol

[viscid mica]

I dunno that it’s stronger than cera and vomit won’t save it

[viscid mica]

WHAT ISSUE

[dusky surge]

given that dibble is "stronger than a cera", i have my doubts

[viscid mica]

I see no issue!

[viscid mica]

Dibbles cream cera groups all the time what’s your point

[dusky surge]

it's a hunter that can hunt big or small critters alike with basically little to no actual required skill or thinking

rather than the corpse bully it was designed to be

[viscid mica]

You think Rex will require skill or thinking?

[dusky surge]

honestly? probably more than cerato

given that rex effectively entirely changes playstyle repeatedly over its life

[viscid mica]

Only issue I see rn is that ceras only competition (carno) got nerfed into the ground and it has nothing strong enough to take em rn

Dilo can if they’re smart

Omni are too buggy

Troodons can if they got 3-4 and coms

[viscid mica]

Ya true

[dusky surge]

my only issue is that it's too good at hunting. idc if our current carnivore roster has a struggle with it, that's the point of it

it should be a big mean carnivore bully

[viscid mica]

I mean it is?

[dusky surge]

i know

its just also way too efficient a hunter

[viscid mica]

The only reason it’s so good is cuz A nothing in carnis stands it ground and B they are almost always max packed+

[sharp osprey]

Mix packing herbs are toooo OP , nerf it ASAP.

[warm flax]

lul, you cleary haven't seen mixpacks with dilos

[sharp osprey]

Trust me 2 stegos ,2 diablos and couple of tenos are unstopable.

[dusky surge]

unless you press W+shift in the other direction

then they kinda just don't do anything

[warm flax]

well they aren't gonna do anything about mixpacks sadly

[sharp osprey]

Yep i know that , atleast for now

[dusky surge]

they also have explicitly said that mixherds (herbivores working together) is fine in their eyes. if they were going to fix it, it'd be for carni + carni or carni + herbi

[warm flax]

they already added the acceleration for most herb to stop them from chasing ppl

plus most herb got trash bites , they require to stop and use their tail/ claws unlike carni can spam bites while running

[sharp osprey]

Just yesterday i had 1 diablo 2 tenos and a darn galli smacking my ass into the jungle

[warm flax]

welp, its the same if you switch the word herbi mixpack to carnivore mixpacks

you might die a lot quicker if you run into a carnivore one

[sharp osprey]

For sure yeah

[warm flax]

so it isn't about herbivore nerfs then

[sharp osprey]

But dealing with broken bones and runnig aint fun

[warm flax]

if you can't beat them, join them

[sharp osprey]

Lol

[warm flax]

or play herrera /deino /ptera that doesn't need to interact with mixpacks

[sharp osprey]

Guess i'll take my chances .

[warm flax]

or you can always pick gali running around and watch those poor soul get killed by the mixpackers

[sharp osprey]

That was me yesterday , running lmfao

[viscid mica]

@meager hazel The damage is fine it’s a unique application of venom vs just tic damage more so need the venom to go away faster or drop levels faster so you aren’t eating damage for 3 years after you kill the dilo

[dusky surge]

venom also doesn't do 100 damage. it does 85, same as its biteforce

[viscid mica]

^ that too

[meager hazel]

bro the the clones are invisible and when i walk in a straight line they dont attack me but once i stop, i drop dead from the overload of invisible clones

[elfin night]

Insane cera apologists

As if the AI situation wasn’t bad enough now you can get a ghost hit from a 40 kph fast carnivore that forces you to find more food in the next 20 minutes or else you’re done, especially if you’re not full adult

Let’s just make the “deterrent” a practically guaranteed death unless the cera is terrible which by then the “deterrent” turns into a maybe you’ll die in the most boring way possible because there’s barely food for carnivores atm

There’s absolutely no middle point between making vomit sickness useless and as cracked as it is right now, right? We love cheap mechanics that finish fights or put you in a terrible situation with one button press!!

[dusky surge]

true, he is a cera apologist, but he has a point. It's supposed to be a deterrant.

on the same hand tho, that animal is way too goddamn capable with its mobility and stam to just run down and hunt anything it wants

i honestly think the rate of bacteria buildup is mostly fine atm, i just wish it wasnt attached to an animal as overly capable of being aggressive as cera

[elfin night]

Exactly!

It wouldn’t be much of a problem to have such a strong CC if it wasn’t in a creature that can easily close distances or ambush somebody with its size

I want cera to be viable and good, and it would be sad if it got nerfed to the ground soon.

But at the same time it is such an anti fun playable to go against and it’s such a garbage argument to say that “it is meant to be that way”

[dusky surge]

so true. it's just REALLY unfun to deal with

i think charge bite needs SOME kind of drawback

honestly, i still like the idea of a 20% slowdown on movement while charging bite, but giving cerato the ability to charge its alt-bite. more defensive, less offensive, less spammy

[elfin night]

Maybe I am biased because yesterday a single sub cera managed to ruin the farthest I’ve gotten with a dilo (didn’t play all that much until recently) and in a especially frustrating way

I tried to fight a cera both as juvis and I got the sickness after I had eaten and there was no salt. Learned my lesson and moved on, and barley managed to find more food.

Fast forward an hour or so after I had been struggling with food and constantly at 50-60% hunger and with poor diet, I finally manage to get a good kill and after filling my stomach the same guy but more grown ambushes me in the middle of the jungle and I’m back at dying of starvation.

I suppose you can get how frustrating and punishing that is. It’s not even a deterrent to not fight cera, at that point it’s just a hunter debuff that is either a free kill because of that vomit lock (insane that this guy couldn’t manage to kill me in either scenario), or you’re most likely going to starve depending on where you are.

Cera is just not defensive enough to have a debuff so powerful

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message

this feels like you made carno significantly worse to control for the sake of making it bigger

so, 6.5 carno basically

[crimson crater]

i’m not, if you exaggerate and say things about cera that aren’t true ofc i’m gonna point it out

[sage marsh]

Well it's better then what we have now and it's needs to be bigger to deal with bigger juvies we are about to start getting. The whole Carno shrink was a mistake

I'm trying my best to find a happy medium because nobody wants a revert but everybody agrees Carno isn't in a good spot but then downvote every suggestion to try and fix the problem so 🤷‍♂️

[dusky surge]

what juvi is above 1300kg lol

[sage marsh]

"WE ARE ABOUT TO START GETTING"

[dusky surge]

literally what juvi will we get that is that

[slim dragon]

brachi

[sage marsh]

Rex. Trike. Stego currently. Dibble currently. Maia currently. Allo probably.

Alberto, Spino, Sucho, any and everything that we expect to be a solid size

[slim dragon]

So basically any juvie whose adult counterpart is above 1.3ton
I don't think carno is supposed to be hunting everything on the roster

[sage marsh]

They want it to be a small game hunter. And they can't seem to decide if they want dilo or Maia on its diet. So clearly they don't know what they want. So I'm trying to find a use case for their small game hunter arguement which means small game and juveniles. Probably just ends up being a tool for population control.

[slim dragon]

I'm not sure what diets have to do with this

[sage marsh]

You literally just said you don't think it's supposed to hunt everything on the roster. I just showed you the devs clearly don't know what they want it to hunt

[slim dragon]

Dilos and juvie maias, apparently
I thought it was a well-known fact that diets don't make sense in this game

[sage marsh]

Wow hey great job highlighting a problem

[dusky surge]

also the devs have stated they don't like carnivores hunting other carnivores

or at least, having them on the diet

[sage marsh]

Well they exist and account for a sizable amount of the small game in the roster. So they can't have both

Or they can abandon whatever they trying to do with Carno and revert it back to 5.5 or whenever it was that people say it was at its best

But that won't happen so I'm trying to make the best of a bad situation and I'm tired of people just downvoting instead of offering their own solutions.

[elfin night]

Well, I would personally tell them to cope then unless they intend to add plenty of herbivore AI

Because most people are playing carnivores and the only reason irl predators eat more herbivores it is because there’s significantly more of those in an ecosystem

[slim dragon]

(and also carnivore meat is bad for most organisms)

[elfin night]

Irl ecosystems: 100 herbivores for each carnivore

Isle ecosystems: 100 carnivores for each herbivore

[elfin night]

Well yeah

But I really don’t know if they should do that at all knowing that easily +60% of players per server at a time play carnivores

[dusky surge]

god no

adding herbivore AI to enable people to just play carnis for free is lame as hell

[sage marsh]

So no ai at all in the game so that it becomes almost impossible to play carnivores and the game dies because it's boring with no game loop aside from literally grazing simulator

Thats what we have right now. Ai is broken and Cera is the only super viable carnivore right now because it has a long enough scent range to smell dead things and can eat anything

[dusky surge]

not at all what i said but sure

[sage marsh]

Thats what would happen. People will play the bigger herbivores. They won't be killed because nobody can find enough food on the bigger carnivores to grow long enough to contest them so they will either only play the small carnivores where they won't be able to kill the big herbivores or they won't play them at all. That's where that mindset goes

[elfin night]

I agree, but I was only mentioning the only discernible in which people wouldn't just survive with a poor diet all their lifetime because there's barely any herbivore players, and if anything there would only be more herbivores in this scenario due to former carnis who were forced into that because of the absence of diets and having to put up with extremely long growth times which...isn't that great

I think carnivore gameplay should require effort and dedication, but at the same time I would be unwilling to remove carnis from other carnivore diets considering what people play the most

[dusky surge]

thats the issue though, isnt it? having everyone just play carnis and eat carnis kinda defeats the point

[elfin night]

couldn't there be a better way to deal with it?

[glossy elbow]

eh depends how often they spawn if they spawn so much that most can become over reliant then yeah thats bad.

[dusky surge]

well, yea. we have organs, so killing carnivores still yields food and nutrients, while still being encouraged to hunt primarily herbivores

[elfin night]

well

sure

[glossy elbow]

if only we could get more players to play herbi's

[dusky surge]

thats done by actually making the herbis engaging lol

dryo and hypsi are STILL undone

[glossy elbow]

hypsi will hopefully get its climbing soon

[glossy elbow]

i just wish grazing didn't exist makes playing as a herbi so absolutely boring and easy to grow

"oh im starving not to worry just gotta go press e on some grass" it just immediately gets rid of any worry about food and makes one of the main parts of survival basically non existent

[elfin night]

true, as if there weren't enough plants to eat anyway

[crimson crater]

don’t like being pessimistic but climbing isn’t saving hypsi. it’ll be played for a week or two at most

[dusky surge]

brother if hypsi gets climbing its rocking up to one of my most played animals, idk what to tell you

[elfin night]

^ it would be quite unique and interesting to play then. Part of why it is unplayed at the moment is because it has nothing atm

[viscid mica]

Uh?????? That sounds like a bug more than anything

Cuz they ain’t invisible to me

@sage marsh absolutely no reason carno needs to be the top of the food chain

Those changes are basically a full revert plus a buff

There was a good reason to the nerf how ever drastic it was

I do think carno needs a buff

But not a revert and buff

[sage marsh]

Of the current Carnivores? Yes it absolutely should be

[viscid mica]

Why

[worthy steeple]

no, the damage is definitely not fine. it’s 85 per clone, so basically even if the clones weren’t bugged it’s still a lot more damage than the dilo should do

tho the real problem
is dilo being able to spam that forever

[viscid mica]

It’s the clones or damage over time

I pick the clones

[worthy steeple]

which means if you’re envenomed you’re basically dead

[viscid mica]

They can’t thou it doesn’t last forever and they have to bite to re-envenomate

[worthy steeple]

not during night time

and they’re bugged during day time too

[viscid mica]

Only feels strong cuz everything is so light weight rn and gets envonmated so fast

[worthy steeple]

which means they continue spawning, sometimes being invisible

[viscid mica]

Never told me why it should be top of the current playables food chain

[worthy steeple]

?

[viscid mica]

It’s not op as half the time the Ai can’t even do anything because of external survival related issues I’m not debating this with someone who exclusively focuses balancing on perfect combat situations

[sage marsh]

Wow it's been 4 minutes and FYI it's 426am where I'm at. And you were rude in the other channel. So again, buzz off

[viscid mica]

So you have no reason other than personal bias 10-4

[sage marsh]

Okay buddy since obviously the world centers around you, let me take my time to address you since you are demanding I do so. Get out of here with your entitlement.

[worthy steeple]

you’re insane

[viscid mica]

No im experienced in more than perfect combat situations and like I said its not that op

[sage marsh]

Wait a minute. Aren't you the guy who doesn't know how black holes work? 😂🤣😂 yeah I dont care about your opinion

[viscid mica]

Don’t make a post at 4 am and respond if you don’t want me to ping you

[worthy steeple]

if you were in charge of balancing this game it would lose the player base in like a week, that’s how terrible your balance choices are

that’s actually insane

[viscid mica]

Tf excuse you wdym how black holes work? I’ve never had a convo like that in my life

Especially not in this discord

[viscid mica]

Mhm

[sage marsh]

Nah I'm pretty sure it was you, I dont remember the specifics but for some reason it's got brought up on the subject of balancing the game and you outted yourself pretty badly

[viscid mica]

I mean if you think so I can tell you it wasn’t black holes are the most basic of physics

Good way to dodge the question though

Proved my point further that it’s just your bias towards your fav Dino. Your dodging the question about why like a professional you should get into politics you’d do great

[viscid mica]

@worthy steeple

Just one of my few balance feedback and so far any I’ve posted are fairly well received

[glossy elbow]

quite literally has nothing to do with anything that has been talked about here

[worthy steeple]

yeah it was like the only sane one, you had few other crazy pachy feedbacks

tho i respect you for that pachy feedback, i was talking about your other ideas

[viscid mica]

That dilo venom isn’t op

[worthy steeple]

what would 1-3 bite force buff change?

[viscid mica]

Like I said it’s the shadow clones or tic damage and I enjoy the unique application

[worthy steeple]

ofc it isn’t, how it can possibly be

[viscid mica]

Tbh it just needs more consistency on the bone breaks

[worthy steeple]

if you personally enjoy the mechanic it doesn’t mean that it’s balanced, how you can’t understand that

[sage marsh]

You are chiming in why exactly? What did this contribute? I mentioned something he had said in the past that was an example of him not being the brightest is why I brought it up.

[viscid mica]

Bro could be a legendary politician with these question dodging skills

[viscid mica]

Something you claim I said have no proof and are ignoring my question about why carno should be top like a politician

[worthy steeple]

he basically did what you do all the time lmao, “oh you’re that guy, i’m not gonna discuss things with you”

you do that a lot lol

[glossy elbow]

mainly why in the world you think carno should have those buffs.

[viscid mica]

It’s just you that I have a hard time with cuz all you do is focus on perfect condition 1v1 PvP and have no consideration for survival gameplay and how it works in the actual game loop

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-meme-emo-cry-emoji-depression-gif-4145431131699636366

[viscid mica]

To be clear it never happened and he is grasping

[viscid mica]

Fair

[worthy steeple]

yeah

[viscid mica]

But my point stands related to it

[sage marsh]

Carno ain't my favorite. But if it's really so important I answer you right now, Carno is meant to be the small game hunter. But of the carnivores we have that are over 1000kg (denio aside) Carno is the one that is supposed to be an active predator. Cerato is in an okay place. The bile is a little overtuned but it's nothing crazy. It is played so much now because it is just that much better of an option. The reason I advocate for a size revert on Carno is because it should be a substantial increase of Cerato given the advantages it doesn't have and the fact that is also meant to be hunting small game anyhow. The other reason I think it needs to be bigger is that with it being the type of predator it is, it will inevitably end up hunting juvie Rexes and Allos and the like a lot and would be a good tool to make sure that those populations are kept in check. For it to be efficient in that it will need to go back to its old size otherwise those animals will surpass it in weight too quickly.

I have now answered your question and I'm going back to bed.

[viscid mica]

I can agree to a weight revert but a full balance revert + buff is abit much

[viscid mica]

Sleep well

[worthy steeple]

if i test something in so called “perfect conditions” that just means it can happen in real game.

for some reason me testing stuff means i don’t play survival lol, at least that’s what you think.

if i say the dilos clones are op its not because i just tested that on norden, its because i fought dilos on survival too. that’s the thing you can’t understand

[sage marsh]

Buff? What buff did I give it? Charge i guess?

[viscid mica]

Bro coulda just not responded till morning XD and I wouldn’t have kept pinging

[viscid mica]

Ya the charge knock down and sprint stam

[viscid mica]

I dunno I just disagree with you baring some minor bugs dilo clones are fine they are a unique application of venom damage

[sage marsh]

That just made sense to me because they want to avoid it being an ambush predator and Carno should be punished for spamming charge while being rewarded for landing it at the same time. Now I really am getting off. Night

[viscid mica]

Fair

[worthy steeple]

“unique” doesn’t mean balanced or good

[viscid mica]

It’s that or tic damage that does the same thing

What’s the difference that a shadow clone chases you to apply it? Big woop

In fact the shadow clones can be destroyed and evaded so it’s more advantageous

[worthy steeple]

the issue is not the clones, it’s how the dilos gameplay works right now.

it’s bite one time and keep spamming one button

[glossy elbow]

sorry for randomly chiming in just wanted to know why thats all and was confused why you went toward trying to insult his intelligence instead of just explaining your reasoning

[worthy steeple]

or don’t spam, because during night time clones spawn even if dilo is dead or just afk, it doesn’t matter

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-halpert-face-yeah-ok-then-sure-gif-19576862

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s venom damage if it was tic damage you’d be just eating it all the same

[sage marsh]

Last response. He was be antagonistic in another channel.

[worthy steeple]

it’s a game and it should be balanced, it’s venom or not it doesn’t matter

[viscid mica]

Your gonna take the damage either way

So why does it matter if it’s from a shadow clone or tic

[worthy steeple]

wait what? i never wanted tic damage why do you even use that argument

the clones being broken doesn’t mean the should be removed, they should be changed

[viscid mica]

Spam posted in both general feedback and balance when it’s a balance thing I called you on it and note something said where if you do that it’ll prolly get ignored on principle

Didn’t ping him btw

Letting bro sleep

[worthy steeple]

how generous

[viscid mica]

But they aren’t broken

[worthy steeple]

hm, have you fought a dilo?

like recently

[viscid mica]

Ya the other night

[worthy steeple]

daytime or nighttime?

[viscid mica]

I even grew a dilo later that night after dying to a deino

[worthy steeple]

rip

[viscid mica]

Both there was ALOT of dilo on for some reason

[worthy steeple]

guess why lol

[viscid mica]

Someone called it in na chat

It’s not cuz it’s op

[worthy steeple]

ofc it’s not

[viscid mica]

[worthy steeple]

why do you think the dilo suddenly become the most popular carnivore in the game?

[cosmic pelican]

1 headshot needed to stage 3 a cera at night is so balanced

[glossy elbow]

not so much in the day but mainly at night just one bite or so and its just free damage

[viscid mica]

Bruh it was one night

[worthy steeple]

it’s just a death sentence, for everything, one bite means death

[viscid mica]

Wait huh is this a bug or did it get a silent buff?

[worthy steeple]

jesus christ ziowar

[cosmic pelican]

You apply more venom at night

[glossy elbow]

lol

[viscid mica]

I mean it’s always been a thing I know that but I haven’t seen 1 bite full venom on a FG

Well you did say headshot

[cosmic pelican]

I played cera and got instant stage 3 from 1 dilo bite at night

[worthy steeple]

well after that you’re dead, because clones keep spawning and spawning, dilo doesn’t need to bite you ever again

[viscid mica]

Na that shouldn’t be happening never happened to me that I can remember not sense my last cera grow like a week or 2 ago

[worthy steeple]

same as the teno, tho that was body shot

[viscid mica]

Ya the stage 3 being perma at night is abit much

[worthy steeple]

dilo bit me once, died and clones got me to orange health

[viscid mica]

It’s not perma thou

[worthy steeple]

i survived because i logged btw, they were keep spawning

[viscid mica]

It’s just like what double triple I don’t k ow the exact number

[worthy steeple]

and that’s not even a bug, that’s intentional lol

you can’t survive the dilo hunting you during nighttime, literally can’t

[cosmic pelican]

Trust me, it happened

During the day you need 5 bites to stage 3 a cera

And at night its apparently 1

[viscid mica]

I’ll have to grow a dilo or take more dilo fights and check it out

[cosmic pelican]

Clones should only deal bleed, or give some debuffs instead of pure dmg imo

At least you could counter bleeding with mud or staying still

[viscid mica]

But it’s a venom

People are too focused on the clone part it’s still venom the idea was for the clones to apply the damage instead of lame default DOT

(Damage over time)

[cosmic pelican]

Increasing bleeding is also an effect some venom have irl

And this is still a game. Balance, fun > realism

[viscid mica]

I don’t think them doing damage is unbalanced

The speed at which they invenomate and length maybe

Like I’d hope the envomation is comparable to troodon which it isn’t atm

[cosmic pelican]

Fair enough

[worthy steeple]

i mean, the damage is a huge issue, one clone does 85 damage.

which means if you got envenomed by one dilo and it has 3 more in its pack that bit you at least once they can spawn 12 clones each dealing 85 damage.

and then spawn 12 more after the cooldown

like even if they fix all the bugs that make dilo even more op, it’s still won’t be balanced

you just can’t balance that without changing the mechanic completely or nerfing the clones to the ground

[viscid mica]

I dunno maybe a minor nerf to its damage but too much would ruin venom

Like I said reducing the length of its effect and how easy it is to apply would help a lot too

[worthy steeple]

minor nerf won’t help, it doesn’t change anything

[viscid mica]

I’d say maybe more focus on how easy it is to envonomate and maintain that status than damage

[elfin night]

I agree this is so dumb

So no skill that it can punish you so hard only because it managed to inflict venom which isn’t hard in the first place

[elfin night]

and...after a lengthy back and forth with food during all of its lifetime and barely surviving with a low diet, I officially lost a dilo due to a single cera bite

Deterrent from what? From having fun with the game?

[karmic nebula]

Isn’t that the entire niche of the dinosaur lol?

[shadow vortex]

Dilo should have an upper hand at night, sure, but not in the current form of “ha-ha, you can’t see anything further than 1 cm (applies to most herbi roster), so I’ll just bite you one time and spam clones for the next 3 minutes until you’re dead”.

[elfin night]

I think clones shouldn't deal actual damage in all the duration of the attack unless the original one tries to bite after a handful of successful clone attacks

or maybe something like clone damage falling off unless the original one engages more or less regularly

[floral wraith]

This!! There are parts of the night where you literally cannot see anything at all. Herbis should at least have a -tiny- circle of visibility around them. A Dilo can literally bite you in the face and you won’t know until you hear it because you can’t see anything. If there was a small circle of visibility, it still gives the Dilo the ability to advantageously sneak around behind you or get to your weak spots, but doesn’t let them get away with completely avoiding consequence for going at a dibbles face lol.

[onyx lichen]

@vagrant plover Cerato was designed to be a scavenger and a corpse bully, in its Trail cam video it was even shown to steal a corpse from Carnos

Pretty much its entire playstyle was designed around scavenging and stealing corpses, the manual vomit was added so it could claim bodies from other things

[elfin night]

#balance-feedback message why would ptera even need this lol, not like it needs a whole pounce mechanic to catch the only hypsi player in the whole 100 player server

[dusky surge]

not only is it an extremely circumstantial mechanic, it doesn't even have talons so idk how tf it's going to do it at all

[elfin night]

yeah also that which I just sort of overlooked because it hurts me to think of that stupid hollywood trope

it's like a magy pouncing and pinning down something 😭

physically impossible, circumstantial because barely any fitting prey items, and unnecessary because it can already live off fish without trouble besides pterodactylus AI

[dusky surge]

istg people look at pteranodon and see "eagle"

like they see the ptera model, acknowledge it, play the animal, then the moment they look away, immediately have that image replaced with a stock png of a bald eagle

it is a consistent trope for people to ask for ptera to have some kind of eagle hunting style, despite it literally not at all physically resembling an eagle

[true violet]

bc its so hard to hit, i think the attack hitbox and the way they designed the offense is very clunky with the hitboxes and hitting a player often means you crash in front for easy 1 shot

[true violet]

.

[elfin night]

yeah, because ptera isn't a fighter. It is a fisher.

We alreayd have quetz planned to hunt land prey

[true violet]

but how long until that comes?

years maybe 😄

[dusky surge]

doesnt matter how long it takes, point still stands, it ain't an eagle

it's not going to be pinning anything that isn't absolutely microscopic

[true violet]

but dont you think the gameplay is kind of monotone and not interactive with the small dinos at least like juvis

[dusky surge]

most juvis outweigh you. you wouldn't be able to pin them

[true violet]

ofc with its anatomy it probably only hunted fish but for the sake of it being a game and gameplay should always come first

oh damn fr?

[dusky surge]

it's 45kg

i believe stegosaurus literally starts off bigger than it

same with maia and dibble

[true violet]

https://youtu.be/qqdbX54cP10?t=807

[dusky surge]

also, yes, it's a game, but at the same time, there's really no good way to make a ptera pin look good or believable. It has no weapons or way to do that, it's literally a paper plane of an animal

[dusky surge]

jurassic world is REALLY not a good example here

[true violet]

NO IT IS!

hear me out

[dusky surge]

brother their ptera design is basically an entirely different animal

[true violet]

😦

[dusky surge]

it has talons. our ptera absolutely does not have that

[true violet]

is quetz playable in legacy?

[dusky surge]

not really no. it was, but it was buggy as hell and got removed

[cosmic pelican]

Fresh spawn carno and cera are bigger

Omni matches pteras weight literally 2 minutes after spawning

[dusky surge]

okay yea exactly

actually, most funnily of all in regards to the Jurassic World example, HUMANS are larger than ptera

so ptera couldn't even pin THEM lmao

[true violet]

if 45kg come flying at you from the sky you probably will get knocked over

[stark knoll]

As a person sure but the vast majority of the animals are bigger than that even before they're fg

[hasty coyote]

the issue I see is that it basically ends up like herrera, but it can instead repeatedly divebomb and doesnt rely on trees. and herrera is already really annoying to deal with if they play well.

[elfin night]

the pterosaur would also break its bones doing that or at the very least would get knocked over too. Super impractical.

Ptera just isn't an eagle, it is a fisher/scavenger and that's about it. It is not its job to take down juveniles because we have literally all the other carnivores for that

[elfin night]

calling carno cracked is one of the wildest balance takes I've seen in a while

[viscid mica]

Fr

[iron tree]

Carno is underpowered as hell

[onyx lichen]

I understand it being downsized though, it was too good at hunting things like Cera and Tenos solo solo making it smaller did make it harder to fight them solo, I do think it should be buffed to 1.4 or 1.5 Tons

[iron tree]

It's supposed to be a small game hunter though. Cera and teno should be on its menu

And teno vs Carno didn't use to be unfair. It was a 50/50 matchup

[dusky surge]

A 50/50 matchup is unfair for the teno. It has no agency over that fight because it doesn’t have the speed to flee.

Carno can flee and engage entirely on its terms

[umbral dune]

isn't Cera meant to be the biggest current land predator? if it's small game then idk what medium, let alone large, game is.

[dusky surge]

Carno was the biggest current land pred before the downsize

Now it shares a size with cera

[umbral dune]

sure, but my point still stands that Cera isn't "small game"

[dusky surge]

I don’t think so either

When carno was larger than cera, it steamrolled it to hilarious degrees

No matter how much they nerfed carno

[onyx lichen]

I think Cera can at least be considered opportunistic small game hunter

[umbral dune]

I mean Cera isn't small game, not that it isn't a small game hunter.

[onyx lichen]

It can be considered a small game hunter under certain situations, like hunting juvies

[umbral dune]

Some one said Carno is a small game hunter, so Cera should be on the menu

I'm saying that if Cera is small game then so is basically every other Carnivore on the roster bar Deino

which I think is ridiculous

[onyx lichen]

Carno is a small game hunter, but hunting things of similar size isn't really small game

[umbral dune]

yeah, my point exactly!

[onyx lichen]

@mossy mauve 1. Friend codes are planned to be added where when you spawn as a Juvie you will have a code for a short time allowing friends to spawn near you. 2. You need to hear for them or just go to a Sanctuary where you are likely to find something and small ai like crickets, rats, and lizards are planned to be added for small playables/juvies. 3. Raptors got a really good buff/changes recently, the ability to do pure bleed or damage while latched, change latch positions, and pin larger playables

[sullen valley]

I have a question. What is the best GPU / CPU combination with a 1440 p resolution minitor to play the isle Evrima without lag. I don't want to buy a rtx 4090. Just a gpu and cpu that can run it well without problems

[crimson crater]

but what about the water

[worthy steeple]

water is situational

same with the rocks

can’t balance around that

[crimson crater]

yes i was just referencing one of his famous arguments lol

[elfin night]

Buff Carno

[dusky surge]

i dont even know what you're talking about and it's apparently my claim to fame

[iron tree]

It's not unfair. It can easily stun lock a carno

[dusky surge]

I fail to see what that has to do with anything I said there

[iron tree]

Isn't that what Carno is supposed to be? Keeping the population of smaller predators un check? I doubt that a rex will even bother hunting a cera

[iron tree]

Speed doesn't really save you if you can't move

[dusky surge]

Back when carno was 1800kg and had a 50/50 with teno, it could easily stunlock teno back, on top of having more speed

[iron tree]

Back in update 5 tenos did really well against carnos

[iron tree]

Charge wasn't able to stun lock

[dusky surge]

what the hell is tenosynovitis

[iron tree]

Oops...autocorrection

[dusky surge]

that is a bizarre autocorrect lmao

[iron tree]

Imo teno, cera, smaller raptor and dilo packs and other similar sized animals should have a 50/50 matchup against Carno

[dusky surge]

i dont think that's really fair if carno, again, has the colossal speed advantage

it just means that carno gets to pick all of his fights, retreat from the ones he risks losing and win the ones he knows he can

[iron tree]

Its turn is bad though

[dusky surge]

okay but that really doesn't matter that much lol

it still holds control over every engagement thanks to speed

[iron tree]

It wasn't a problem in legacy either

[dusky surge]

in legacy, it didn't have a 50/50 with most of the roster

[iron tree]

Yah

Because most of the roster in legacy was large

Carno used to be uncontested

A larger dibble slams carno

[umbral dune]

smaller predators as in Dilo and Omni sure, but Cera?

Cera's meant to be a big dumb brute who bullies other people off their kills

[iron tree]

But it's not a body bully at all right now

It's more of a hunter

Cera should be an "eww I don't want to mess with thing or else I'm in trouble" animal

And not an overall better hunter than other carnivores in the roster

[umbral dune]

interesting point but that still doesn't make it small game.

like if you have issue with the way Cera is right now that's cool but that's not the discussion we're having

[iron tree]

Carno hunts smaller animals and it used to be larger than cera which makes cera small game in the perspective of the carno

[iron tree]

This isn't about cera

Carno lost speed, weight, damage and health for a better charge. Carno used to be balanced in update 5

[jade prairie]

Surely small game is not 'anything smaller than carno' but is rather 'anything under X kgs'

[umbral dune]

yeah what Sparky said, like

[iron tree]

I mean for a deino a carno is small game

[umbral dune]

ok I think this might be a semantic issue because what you just said sounds very silly to me as well.

[jade prairie]

The thing is is when you are referring to things like small, medium or large game you arent referring them relative to each other

[crimson crater]

it couldn’t easily retreat, stamina and bleed was an issue

[jade prairie]

Its like
An elephant is always large game. If i am a blue whale, an elephant is not suddenly small game

[iron tree]

Is it though?

Anyway I think when allo releases balancing cera and Carno will be way easier :)

[umbral dune]

It is yes, I'm realising my issue is mostly that your definition of small game was really weird and confusing. Like your definition of "small game hunter" is meaningless, everything hunts things that are smaller than it.

the entire roster is small game hunters, which doesn't say anything about your balance takes it just

really really threw me because who uses that phrase like that

Anyway, I think Cera and Carno should probably be in the same tier but fill different roles. I do agree Cera shouldn't be the best active hunter though, but that's largely an issue of every active hunter that isn't Dilo being kind of bad right now, though imo a lot of that's just due to being buggy (see: Omniraptor).

I do think Carno needs a buff, I just think Carno should be competing with Cera not preying on it.

[iron tree]

I do

[iron tree]

It should do both. Cera and teno shouldn't be an easy meal at all though

[worthy steeple]

yes, imo the fastest dino in the game shouldn’t really have easy time killing cera or teno

or any dino that can’t easily outrun them

we had that problem during maia ht and we might have it again if devs will listen to cryers and give maia some unnecessary buffs

[dusky surge]

i dont think i'd call maia buffs unnecessary tbh. that thing is uh

not great to play atm

like every single attack has something about it that sucks

like, it is one of the most miserable animals to control in a fight

like, it's a "runner" sure, but so is galli, and it sucks WAY less

[worthy steeple]

i mean, maia definitely needs some changes, but the things i read in feedback channel sometimes give me a headache

[dusky surge]

oh yea no there's entire grocery lists of buffs

[worthy steeple]

🥹

[dusky surge]

i just want like

• quad alts to suck less
• shove to not cost so damn much
• put the headbutt in quad on LMB because ew

thats like... my entire buff list

[worthy steeple]

yeah, sounds about right

[iron tree]

agreed

[versed rune]

@soft panther a new player will never figure this out because it’s never explained anywhere in the game. I didn’t even know this myself lol

[soft panther]

Yep its kinda dense they do not put this in the notes or explanations anywhere and you have to find this our by other players or sheer luck ;p

but thats how the stam works atm

[shadow vortex]

Also end lag reduction and fixing the inability to switch stances while being bitten maybe? Those are my main concerns tbh. I don’t want Maia to be able to run things down, but I want it to be able to defend itself if needed without so much pain in one place as you try to get something comprehensive from your dino movement lol.

And hitbox fixes & some minor improvements overall (e. g. some attacks still don’t have sounds iirc?).

And is Maia still as fast in water as it was? That probably needs to be gone if so.

[worthy steeple]

yeah, it’s too fast, it should be one of the slowest instead, when you can outrun almost everything on land, you should be at least somewhat vulnerable in water

it’s just good for balance

ideally ofc maia should be very strong against something that it cannot outrun, but weak against something that it can easily run away from

[elfin night]

Carno haters, begone!!

[worthy steeple]

carno? more like carNO!! muhahaha

(it’s my favorite carnivore😭)

[elfin night]

I want to play it so bad because it was my legacy main

Haven’t tried the latest patch yet but I hope I can at least survive with it past subadult. Even then, it is so weak rn

Not even speedy as it should/used to be

[shadow vortex]

Same until Austro arrives probably Just imagine sitting at the river bank chilling with all your fluffy flufiness and waiting for the thirsty juvies to make their life completely pitiful.

[elfin night]

I liked that legacy carno wasn’t a dominating tyrant but still it felt so fast. Everyone else was at slow motion compared to you

[worthy steeple]

REAL i bet austro is gonna be my favorite

and maybe the bary

i love semi-aquatics in general

[elfin night]

I wanna play dilo and carno but the AI situation made them almost unplayable

[worthy steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/zoo-lander-owen-wilson-oh-who-is-she-ben-stiller-i-monster-gif-27286094

[shadow vortex]

I’d like Carno to get more speed, probably up to 52 km/h in default run (without charging), and maybe more bleed resist with its current health, but 1800 kgs Carno is going to destroy everything else, which with its small game hunter niche is unacceptable

[worthy steeple]

utah with its 56km/h ambush speed running past carno

[shadow vortex]

UH lol

[iron tree]

for like 5 seconds

[worthy steeple]

around 12

[shadow vortex]

I didn’t play Legacy but yeah I just remembered that Utah was one of the fastest… And Herrera.

And Dryo one was of the slowest iirc? Lol.

[iron tree]

herrera was SPEED

[worthy steeple]

it’s okay, utah needs 6 bites to bleed out the carno

[iron tree]

60 km/h ambush speed iirc

[shadow vortex]

Herreramimus.

[worthy steeple]

it’s closer to 70

[shadow vortex]

Holy moly!

[iron tree]

If the carno keeps running yeah

[worthy steeple]

it was like 66-67

[worthy steeple]

carno bleeds less when it’s running in legacy

[iron tree]

it bleeds less when trotting

compared to standing still

[worthy steeple]

when running too

[iron tree]

actually?

evrima carno: Ouch! that cera bit me! oh dear if I don't sit down immediately I'm going to bleed out

[worthy steeple]

yes, i’m pretty sure

[shadow vortex]

For how long is it been that I can’t put reactions in this channel anymore, lol…

[worthy steeple]

yeah like a day or so

[elfin night]

Why would giving it 500kg more break the game?

[shadow vortex]

Because it would set it for match ups it’s supposed to suffer against and have a pack to take down.

The only buff for its health I would be okay with is at max +150 kgs.

[elfin night]

You can always adjust its offensive capabilities. If anything, 1800kg would also make it more efficient at its role such as making it more resistant to Omnis and their pounce

[shadow vortex]

Its offensive capabilities are what makes it a small game hunter though xd If you want a tank Carno with 1800 hp and minimized damage, I doubt it would be a threat for Omnis if they just can tank more rams and bites.

[elfin night]

What?

[iron tree]

it suffers against almost everything

[worthy steeple]

skill issue

if you can’t win with 1.3 carno, 1.8 won’t help you at all

[iron tree]

is it a skill issue when 2 dilos can catch up to me?

[worthy steeple]

dilos are 47km/h, you’re almost 60

[iron tree]

carno's base speed is 49 km/h

The dilos and I had speed mutations

[worthy steeple]

ram

[iron tree]

stamina

[worthy steeple]

nice, you’re faster

i don’t see any issues

[worthy steeple]

kill them before you ran out of stamina

if you can’t kill them just run away, they won’t be able to outrun you

[iron tree]

they can catch up

[worthy steeple]

they literally can’t

[iron tree]

they can

they might not be able to land hits but they won't lose the carno

[worthy steeple]

hm sounds like a skill issue

[iron tree]

👍

[worthy steeple]

carno beats the dilo pretty easily

[iron tree]

but not a whole pack

because

[worthy steeple]

it’s harder to kill an omni, it’s agile, but the dilo is an easy target

[iron tree]

clones work now

[worthy steeple]

i mean, don’t expect to kill all of them

as one carno

[iron tree]

you'll get hit

bleed + venom

[worthy steeple]

don’t let them bite you, carno is one of the few dinos that can choose the fight and run away whenever they want

they can’t bite you if you charge them

never stand still, run around, drift, ram

[iron tree]

If it still had its speed, yeah! but right now...nope

raptors and dilos can keep up with the carno

[worthy steeple]

it’s literally 60km/h

[iron tree]

it's not

[worthy steeple]

they literally can’t

[worthy steeple]

🤡

[iron tree]

let me grab a screenshot

[worthy steeple]

screenshot of what lmao?

[iron tree]

carno stats

with and without speed mutations

[iron tree]

🤡

almost 60 km/h!

[worthy steeple]

base speed is 49.5, it’s ram is almost 60, i don’t need screenshots

[iron tree]

mhm!

[worthy steeple]

jesus christ dude

[iron tree]

here we go again

anyway

[worthy steeple]

dude, use ram

rmb

please

[iron tree]

It doesn't do much and wastes stamina

it's easy to say but omnis bleed you out easily and dilo's clones work now

[stark knoll]

It makes you run at 60kmh and you can hit people with it

[iron tree]

whatever

[worthy steeple]

this community is mental

[iron tree]

I agree

[native canyon]

I just dont know why no one wants ptera grabbing

[slim dragon]

1. Doesn't need it
2. Pteras are already annoying enough when they decide to be
3. Doesn't fit its niche
4. Would look absolutely stupid
5. Anything small enough to be picked up by a ptera is already small enough to be pecked to death, so it's useless

[cosmic pelican]

Charging makes you go at 59.4kmh, and even though it costs more stamina than running, you cover the exact same distance for the same % of stamina used.

Since yk, +10kmh speed pretty much

[hasty coyote]

Yeah people still expect it to be a stam melter, when it’s honestly just better than sprinting most of the time.

[elfin night]

Ty for putting it so simply

Ptera grab/pounce would be so 💀

It doesn’t need a whole new mechanic to kill the only hypsi player in the server

[elfin night]

Is it a flat number or can it scale with photo?

[cosmic pelican]

it can scale with speed muts yes

even trotting scales

[worthy steeple]

even swimming speed 👀

and i love it

its the only good thing about speed boost mutation, you can be funny in water

[onyx lichen]

@gilded pier Deinos aren't suppose to live off of just ai

[delicate rivet]

Deino is in a bad spot considering that though, what Deino actually needs is more semiquatics to hunt/ interact with

@onyx lichen

[onyx lichen]

Deino is getting a Kit adjustment

[delicate rivet]

oh fr thats sick, though tbh it would function well as an apex of a semiaquqatic ecosystem

[untold coyote]

I am here to ask why people don't like the idea of adjusting dibbles knockdown, to not be able to do so when people are running away from you.

[delicate rivet]

IDK man i agreed, does plenty of damage with plenty of agility, I dont think it really needs cc either

[untold coyote]

"Haha I tapped you so now our entire pack pins you down and you're dead"

If you get outplayed by the strafe, sure. But the "I tap you, you die" thing is nonsense.

All you need is 2 dibbles

[delicate rivet]

if not full hp or smaller than a carno, sometimes all you need is one

[dusky surge]

honestly, for its size, dibble does not do much damage at all lol

like when it was 1.5 tons, sure, but its since actually had its damage nerfed since being increased to 3 tons

like i'd be unsurprised if allo kicked its ass as it is now, unless allo was also significantly dulled down

[delicate rivet]

Wouldnt cc allo anyway, so not relevant to its need for cc?

I agree that its allo matchup might be bad, but the existence of its unnecessary cc is only oppressive in situations already advantageous to dibble

Especially with its sparring agility and damage reduction from the head, bleed, and solid damage it already have a super skill based matchup with a lot of the current carnivores, the cc feels perturbing at best and game ruining at worst

Not dying on this hill though, as there are much more pressing balance issues that dibble cc

[hasty coyote]

1: that nerf would make Diablo’s cc different from literally everything, nothing has different cc based on where the target is running and it would make it kinda clunky and inconsistent (we all know how inconsistent face pounce is sometimes).
2: anything running away from Diablo (that should reasonably be doing so) is faster than it, so what difference would that really make except make diablos lose a few hits when someone got too close and deserved to be hit?

[untold coyote]

Stego is not, and I've only died to angry dibble hordes that won't leave me alone 😭

[delicate rivet]

Might lowkey just have to avoid them like the rest of the roster😭

[untold coyote]

If everyone is avoiding them in game, they should probably be adjusted. Somehow

[hasty coyote]

The fact it has a skill based matchup against stuff like ceras, who are almost 1/3rd its size and supposed to be scavengers, kinda shows how it’s not that strong for its size. A good Diablo is def terrifying and can maul a group of carnis, but a bad Diablo just gets shredded. I think it’s fine where it’s at.

[delicate rivet]

Yeah I dont disagree, except ni regard to the cc

CC only works on smaller dinos in which it has the advantage anyway

Though tbh defs arent touching it, so doesnt really matter ig

and irrelevant to the larger roster members which will be priority

shonestly kind of a moot point

so*

[hasty coyote]

Hence why I said “that reasonably should be doing so” stego just power swings a solo Diablo to death. Tho a group of diablos are just going to be a threat purely due to their size, damage resistance, and damage with or without stuns. However I can get behind reducing its stun range to like 4.5 tons because there’s not much of a reason for it to stun stegos.

[hasty coyote]

Except it doesn’t only work on smaller dinos, its knockdown range goes up to its own weight and stuns up to double, it’s cc is useful against everything it must fight. Anything smaller shouldn’t be hit by the cc to begin with because they are much faster and more agile, so they have to make a mistake to get hit.

[hasty coyote]

Also that’s just due to the fact we don’t have stuff to deal with em yet (aka allo) though a group of Omnis can shred a lone Diablo if they know what they’re doing. Nerfing something large so that it is consistently hunted by smaller things just makes it fodder when a large carnivore designed to hunt it arrives, it’s better to balance the fight how it should go and to actually add a carnivore along side it (like they are doing with Rex and trike)

[delicate rivet]

@hasty coyote if something is small enough to "not get hit" (desync is worst issue in game for troodon and raptor rn), then it is probably dead anyway, and diablo stunning something big enough to fight it kind of staggers the matchup which stat wise would otherwise be more skillbased. I agree that it is useful to dibble, but in many situations doesnt need it. The biggest use I see for it is bullying something that would already be a won ( or bad ) fight, or screwing someone over with the notorius desync issue. Again, I don't think the cc is going anywhere, but it seems redundant against many of the smaller playables ( most of the roster atm) that its already oppresive to. I dont have an idea to remedy this issue, and dont even know if it really affects most interactions outside of the already obnoxious hacker/desync issues, but Defintely still dislike its existnce, even as a dibble player

and idk about allo, but I dont think it should really be bowling allo over

and dibble is designed to function optimally in small groups most of the time anyway, which further reduced the concerns of "needing" cc, and worsens its potential oppressiveness.

However, I think the feature could solve many issue if it consumed even a small amount of stamina, atleast allowing the cc to be measured and skilled

In fights that "need" it

@lunar jetty totally agree about maia, skill issue or not playable is terrible rn, in an already functionally small group of actually playable herbis ( rip pachy dryo and hypsi)

[lunar jetty]

thx

[delicate rivet]

Its funny how long I am sitting here yapping while in an eternal queue just to play the game on less than 200 ping

[hasty coyote]

diablo only has 2 attacks that stun, the sprinting attack and the heavy attack, heavy attack is pretty much impossible to hit unless something is face tanking you so I wont talk on it much, but it does deal like 350 damag iirc, so not enough to 1-shot omni unless its a headshot. The sprint attack though only deals 150, which is def not enough to 1-shot an omni, it would take 3 sprint attacks on the body to kill a single omni, which is why it has the knockdown to actually be able to follow up the attack with another. However, diablo's basic attack only deals 275 (in total 425 with sprint attack), so it would have to do the spar attack (350 damage) to truly 1-shot an omni, and anything bigger than 600kg can't be 1-shot by diablo unless it hits headshots. However, a spar attack leaves diablo open for the rest of the pack so its a decent trade off for what was originally omni's mistake of getting too close. And all of that is for a single omni, now if we put ceras into perspective, who need 2 combos and a sprint attack to kill it, leaving diablo without the knockdown would make it just fodder. Then we put into perspective the actuall things that will be a threat, say allo is 2.8 tons, that means it takes 5 full combos to kill an allo. Which means the allo has plenty of hp to tank to get an opening, especially since a spar attack gives the allo time to reposition after the hit. So it really needs the cc for how low its damage is (for another comparison, diablo's spar attack deals as much as a cera charged bite).

though the original feedback was to make something running away not get stunned, which would not affect anything other than matchups where the target is much larger and should just kill diablo, because diablo is not able to catch up to pretty much anything running away.

[hasty coyote]

also balancing things around lag and requiring a group for defense is just bad practice in general. Requiring a group to hunt is fine, but requiring it to survive just leaves the animal unviable and abandoned. Look at pachy for a prime example.

[dusky surge]

genuinely hoping for a dibble all round damage buff with stuff like allo

its just so impossible to actually brawl anything with any consistency it feels

the best and most effective way to fight as dibble is to back yourself into a corner and stand there until the attacker does something

extremely dull for all sides

[hasty coyote]

Honestly with its damage reduction and cc, it may be fine depending on how allo ends up. I personally have no issues with diablo atm other than absolutely hating the camera lock.

[sharp garden]

camera lock is good imo, prevents a lot of unrealistic turning and laggy attacks

[hasty coyote]

except it doesnt, it doesnt prevent diablo's turning or anything, it just makes it more clunky. Its nerfing something by making it harder to accomplish rather than just nerfing the issue.

[dusky surge]

^

another case of nerfing a herbi by making it clunky rather than actually nerfing the problem

if i had a nickel for every time this was done, i'd be pretty happy with the amount of cash i'd earn

[worthy steeple]

idk how controversial is this but i would love HT maia but without it being able to shove cera, carno or the teno.

i think it would be actually great, since it would be super strong against something it can’t outrun but it would be super weak against anything that it can easily outrun

maybe i’m delulu

[hasty coyote]

it still absolutley bullied omnis and pachies (and dilos who didnt have speed mut) and had literally 0 use for quad other than aestetics, biped 100% deserved the nerf, but quad is still just abysmal.

[dusky surge]

i liked quad's turn rate buff. that was nice. everything else not so much

[worthy steeple]

hmm maybe, maybe..

[fallow lynx]

do fish just like, not spawn in most of the fresh water?

[hasty coyote]

def

[fallow lynx]

whatever deino killed me in na5 i hope you fail all of your new year resolutions

[fallow lynx]

hey are groups glitched? me and a bunch of deinos trying to join a group but it only allows 2 at a time

[dusky surge]

deinos only get 2 per group. they're solitary animals

[fallow lynx]

ahhhh i see

[stray estuary]

A bit of feedback I haven't seen anyone give: Does it bother anyone else that omniraptor essentially gets worse the more it grows? It's at its best around 40-50% grown and then gets slower, bigger and less agile after that point and its stamina becomes absolutely terrible by the time it hits 100%. It gets a bit more health, which doesn't matter when basically everything will 1 or 2 shot you regardless, and the extra damage really doesn't balance out the massive decrease in survivability.

[haughty grotto]

Almost every creature grows that way
Subadult is when you're fastest, most agile and weigh less therefore consuming less stamina
This is not exclusive to raptor

[stray estuary]

Yeah, but I mean the vast majority of playables gain a lot from more health and more damage. It helps them do their role. A FG Stego/Dibble/Cera/Carno is always a bigger threat than a sub-adult. It feels strange from a game design perspective that raptor gets worse at its niche as it gets older. Raptors should clearly also get bigger/slower/stronger, but I wish the tradeoffs weren't so lopsided to the negative.

[eager saddle]

I’m assuming that is because omni is supposed to be a pack animal

[slim dragon]

The weight increase on omni is a good deal, since you kill instantly anything that is 0.1% smaller than yourself

[stray estuary]

The weight increase isn't nothing. The breakpoints are awkward though, since you can pin basically any small creature by 175kg (FG Herrera), and then against Herbivores/Carnos/Ceras, you're generally not pinning due to weight, but due to them being low stamina or blood. Pin is sort of an awkward and niche mechanic right now though because it's buggy and extremely stamina hungry. It's great for bullying Herrera's, but I find I almost always do worse using pounce otherwise except in "win more" scenarios where you already have an overwhelming advantage. The stamina cost is prohibitive in situations where you don't have an overwhelming numbers advantage.

[cosmic pelican]

Your biteforce also doubles compared to sub when youre fg

[modest coral]

what can i do ? im stuck at the clif and the trees

[slim dragon]

/unstuck

[modest coral]

Thank you it didint work but for the next time i know what to do . thre are a cole down i must wait 600 sekunden

[slim dragon]

Yeah that's the annoying part about it

[crimson crater]

using pin isn’t punishing at all, they should definitely increase the stam on it

[eager saddle]

@blazing sedge that’s not a deinosuchus being weak problem (it’s not weak.) that’s a people aren’t in the same area as the rest of the server “problem”

[elfin night]

That Deino suggestion has to be one of the worst I’ve seen in balance feedback

Being able to one tap a sub stego or Maia effortlessly is too weak guys

Also measuring strength in the amount of things you kill 💀💀

[iron tree]

real

[steep echo]

#balance-feedback message
yeah but I still want featherweight to make footprints fade faster

[indigo rain]

Ngl i would LOVE for quieter footsteps as a mut that would be great to have in general.

[elfin night]

Why is carno so fing garbage at the moment. I got ran down by a dilo pack because my stamina is awful

[onyx halo]

Well, a lot of kids play this game because dinosaurs, and kids are...well... Kids.

This couldn't have been written by someone over 16 years old

[frozen ibex]

im confused as to why he wants to kill everything rather than caring for his animal

[viscid mica]

can we talk about the fact deino can grab you on land and hold you for roughly 40 seconds

am i the only one that think thats absurd in water sure but on land?

[languid kraken]

#balance-feedback message I beg, I hardly ever see it in-game anymore. And when I do play it, it fits the scavenger niche better than cerato lol

[ocean tiger]

Has there ever been word on why the servers are only 100 slot? It doesnt feel very alive to me and i've seen alot of requests to increase it

[onyx halo]

It would feel alive if half the population wasn't in south plains

[ocean tiger]

Thanks

[eager saddle]

I love playing deino but I agree that’s ridiculous

[elfin night]

I hate playing deino. early game and migrating to hotspots is so unfun

[eager saddle]

Yeah that’s the downside of it

It’s hard enough surviving the early life😅

[elfin night]

My problem isn’t that it is hard

My problem is that it is hard and boring

[timber tusk]

I have to think that they are going to be very meticulous about Trike vs Rex being an even matchup, if only because of how ICONIC that VS is. 1v1, it should be anyone’s game in that fight 🤩

[tropic falcon]

No need to be rude

[native canyon]

he said same thing with differently same thing

[tropic falcon]

Doesn’t give you a right to be rude

[native canyon]

wdym

[onyx halo]

Literally the most fun parts of deino

[elfin night]

I love moving at 200 meters per hour whenever I spawn at a bad spot and I want to go elsewhere to find food. Or being unable to eat anything but schooling fish

[cosmic pelican]

@viscid mica deinos turn radious has been rewerted a couple patches ago

[viscid mica]

Oh? I didn’t hear anything

[viscid mica]

Fixed

[cosmic pelican]

https://medal.tv/games/the-isle/clips/jse3LZcRXVbTGvUQl?invite=cr-MSxldXUsMjI0MzU2Njk2LA

Its one patch before the current build but you get the gist

[viscid mica]

Ah yea gotcha

[viscid mica]

I’m mainly talking about the 30+ seconds a deino can drag you when your on land

Like deep in land too

[onyx halo]

#balance-feedback message

Well deino hunger timer is already longer at 1.5 h, no?

[fervent orchid]

you can go just as long if not longer without seeing a soul if you're in the right spot

if there's somewhere that actually gives the accurate up to date stats/info of every dino i'd love to know.

[viscid mica]

Then why not move spots?

[fervent orchid]

you can sit at highlands and not see anyone for hours

theres even a migration zone there

[viscid mica]

Bouta make me repeat myself fr

[viscid mica]

If highlands isn’t doing it why not love spots

[onyx halo]

Uh highlands? By the big lake? On a full server? That's literally the second biggest hotspot after south plains

[fervent orchid]

yeah. and ive sat there for over an hour not seeing anyone but the people im playing with

[onyx halo]

I mean technically that COULD happen, but is quite unlikely.

Also yeah, travel around and look for people. It is (was) a survival game

[fervent orchid]

thats not super easy to do as a deino. their water drains way too fast. point is, fish should give more food again and not have to rely so heavily on finding other players or friends dragging bodies to you

a slightly slower food drain isnt much to ask for since they gutted the amount of food fish give

[cosmic pelican]

#balance-feedback message 3t stego would get knocked down by dibble 😭

[worthy steeple]

i mean, at least play with the other people on the server 😂

[fervent orchid]

the group i play with plays a variation of things so im not confined to one location if i play with them...

[worthy steeple]

oh ew

huge L

[fervent orchid]

a huge l... to decide to play different dinos every so often?

[worthy steeple]

i thought you were talking about mixpacking xd

[fervent orchid]

we do but we dont harass other players like some groups do. we just hang out.

[worthy steeple]

hm yeah ofc

[viscid mica]

@marble girder its a apex a proper one that isnt designed around ambushing like deino

[floral wraith]

That and its a slow one, so literally every dino rn can get away from it (unless you didnt manage your stam.) If you're fighting a fg stego, 99% of the time its because you let it get close to you, or you chose to fight it. Its reasonable for it to do as much damage as it does imo because messing with it is optional.

[viscid mica]

exactly

i mean if your on land as deino to where you cant get away thats on you

[marble girder]

I realized lol I was killed by a hacker with uh… insta swing and speed boost wasn’t fun I didn’t realize intill I remembered a bit ago 😭 I hate filthy rotten cheaters

[slim dragon]

@desert light Evrima rex is too fast to also have good endurance

[desert light]

i've seen video of rex stamina and it drains like a croc

[slim dragon]

That's the point

Because it's fast

[desert light]

yea thats so so bad tho why would u play rex if it's slow and doesn't have stamina yea "balance" but whats the point to play if the allo is in game and is better in every way except size and damage

[slim dragon]

They're different animals
Also rex in evrima is fast, not slow

[desert light]

it literally isn't in game yet

[slim dragon]

Yet you've seen a video of it

[desert light]

yea in legacy

not evrima like u said 3 times

[slim dragon]

There's also streams of rex in evrima

[viscid mica]

@desert light so.. you want rexs to be insanely op and impossible to escape?

[desert light]

kinda the point of the rex so, yea?

[slim dragon]

Dondi occasionnally shows it off during his development streams

[viscid mica]

brother no

[slim dragon]

no

[viscid mica]

it was only king in america

giga was king in its area as they are techinically larger

[desert light]

yea and we only got america dinos so far, no?

[viscid mica]

and spino is in a whole other time period

[slim dragon]

No

[viscid mica]

no....

[desert light]

which ones arent`?

[desert light]

yea but i was talking bout legacy like i said ur arguing against evrima t rex idk how it is in evrima

[slim dragon]

Legacy will never be updated

[slim dragon]

Which ones are ?

[desert light]

bro u gotta be troilling

[slim dragon]

Nope

That's the exact reason evrima exists at all

[desert light]

i am talking about the rex in comparision to legacy

[viscid mica]

legacy is planned to be shutdown or put to the side once envirma is done

rex being a sprinter is fairer than a marathon

[desert light]

realisticly it wasn't so thats why gave the feedback and if they don't implement they dont

[slim dragon]

I think the one that's planned to be running long distances is giga

[viscid mica]

it'd be way to op

[desert light]

stego is too damage wise but that's the stego so no one complains

[viscid mica]

rex is gonna be hands down the strongest apex in raw damage output most likely

[viscid mica]

WDYM

[desert light]

also i never said i want legacy to be updated when i wrote the feedback i was comparing the stats of legacy one where i saw it having like 15sec sprint or so

[slim dragon]

But realistically it was also very slow-moving as an adult, which, as I said, isn't the case with evrima rex
And that's why evrima rex should not have very high stamina
Because it runs fast

[viscid mica]

nearly 3 foot spikes

[slim dragon]

Ok but legacy, both in speed and stamina management, works completely different from evrima

[slim dragon]

Both claims in that sentence are wrong

[desert light]

stego can 1 shot or 2 shot 100% dilo so that is alot of damage

or not

[viscid mica]

they weigh 700 obviously a apex is 1 tapping

stego is meant to be boxing rexs and other apexs why wouldnt it 1 tap a small tier

[slim dragon]

If it couldn't stego would literally be the worst animal in the game

[desert light]

yea so ur proving my point the rex is also meant to be an insane marathonn runner but they are balancing the game so it makes fun

[viscid mica]

bro rex is gonna 1 tap cera probably IT DOESNT NEED TO BE THAT FAST AND LONG DISTANCE

more so for the herbis like dibble

[desert light]

im just not gonna argue with me ur just dodginf the point i think ur slow sorry

[viscid mica]

everything should have some sort of mewthod to escape

[desert light]

@slim dragon and i was applying my feedback in other channel from the old legacy rex to the evrima one getting added

[viscid mica]

I think your stupid cuz i responded but your a rex fan boy who doesnt care about balancing

[desert light]

i didn't know the footage of stamina usage and speed is already know of the one in evrima

i meant just make stamina usage less than in legacy. if u apply that to evrima one u prolly have a point idk the stats

[viscid mica]

the movement is completely different so who knows if it will be or not

[slim dragon]

It will almost certainly have better stamina usage than in legacy, that is for certain

[desert light]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[viscid mica]

this

[slim dragon]

Since evrima stamina isn't managed the same way as back then

[desert light]

yea okay then i can remove the message i didn't know its already known

[viscid mica]

[desert light]

i just thought they will have almost the same one as before

[viscid mica]

maybe play the game before recommending a change tf

[desert light]

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[slim dragon]

I think we came to a misunderstanding because you used legacy as an example while I instantly thought of the evrima footage we had

[desert light]

yea u right

sry

[viscid mica]

bruh

imagine not playing the game your recommending a change for

[desert light]

rex in evrima isn't playable yet so

https://tenor.com/view/dono-wall-gif-24048347

[viscid mica]

k but if you dont plan to play till rex drops and dont understand how the baseline mechnics work, why recommend a change before even understanding how stuff works?

spamming the same gif wont make your point any dumber

[desert light]

rex isn't playable in evrima in any way rn wdym

[viscid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-20411229

[desert light]

bubulblu got the point and ur still stuck

[viscid mica]

and im the one wall talking is getting spammed at fml

[desert light]

just read our conversation and ignore ur messages

[viscid mica]

yes yes you only play rex and dont understand the defenition of baseline mechanics

[desert light]

i never played rex because it's not possible i stated with evrima

[viscid mica]

I responded assuming you atleast know how stam works in the game

[desert light]

yea and ur just crying instead of discussing, be like the other guy

[viscid mica]

again i assume anyone making a balance suggestion has played envirma sense theyd have a idea of how this works

[desert light]

yea and if u don't think upcoming rex should be able to sprint longer than 15 sec u should've been aggreeing with me and not crying lols

[viscid mica]

15s sounds plenty

[desert light]

gg im not gonna argue, bye

[viscid mica]

rex mains pft

[desert light]

how do i main not playable dino

[iron tree]

@fervent orchid they can last for years without eating

There is a gator who hasn't eaten in 2 years

[vale brook]

tbf rex also had a unique (semi unique because trike had it as well) mechanic when it came to stam where it couldnt regen unless sitting. basically the first instance of the current stam system.

i wouldnt be surprised if rex has higher thresholds

would be a lil weird but meh

[frozen ibex]

honestly i find it easier to just
outmove adults in the water instead of running onto land and getting trot down

[thorn mountain]

@light steppe your making cera out as a mid tier carnivore its still a small tier

[light steppe]

in this moment
is Cera one of the Heaviest Carnis

[thorn mountain]

it is the heaviest but still a dilo should be able to kill a cera without a body at night time im sorry

[light steppe]

I Had a fricking Maia body

[thorn mountain]

how did you die to it then 💀 you cant die that fast with a 80% damage reduction they would have to be getting more bites to keep ya envenomated

[light steppe]

i dont know i was at a Body got Bitten once at my Tail and then i got killed by the hallus

[thorn mountain]

a dilo cannot get venom when getting bitten on the tail

[light steppe]

could be my leg too
idk

it was a place where i did not get much Dmg

[thorn mountain]

btw did you kill the maia or did you fine it

[light steppe]

find it but i was at it and had 3 Call

[dusky surge]

#balance-feedback message
a stego hitting a cerato with an entire powerswing and not killing it sounds horrid

want a creature of that size which relies on disgusting levels of bleed to kill its predators? wait for theri

[glossy elbow]

how is it op for stego to one shot stuff when deino can do the exact same?

[worthy steeple]

ego of cerato main is the most fragile one

no way they died to something

[glossy elbow]

if you died to one of the slowest dinosaurs currently in the game it's your choices that got you there not the stego

[worthy steeple]

pretty much

btw, i just discovered something

apparent you and you’re pack members are getting 15% damage reduction

basically if you hit someone who is in your group they will take 15% less damage

tested that with the teno.

[glossy elbow]

huh didn't know that cool

[worthy steeple]

but i might be super delusional, or that might be a bug or something, so i need other gamers to test this too

headshot kick left other teno with almost 79% health

but when they’re not in group headshot left them with 76.5% health

so it’s around 50dmg reduction which is roughly 15% from 375

[glossy elbow]

I don't mind testing it later not at my pc rn though

[worthy steeple]

yeeeyyy nice!

[viscid mica]

Actually dilo is a small tier (under 2T) @light steppe

[light steppe]

Then would every Carni besides Deino a be a Small tier that dosnt make sense right now
in my opinion
Small 0-450kg Mid 450-1.5 Large 1.5-/

[viscid mica]

@obtuse bison if they nerf stego it won’t compete with apex’s when they drop. I’d say hold off on major stat changes till a land apex carnivore drops

[viscid mica]

No no under 400 is tiny tier

It doesn’t make sense rn because we don’t have any bigger carnis

Allo is set to be roughly 2.5-2.8

[light steppe]

If u say that
but too say that a 2.5 metre big Carni is a Small tier is Crazy

[viscid mica]

Alberto 3-4T

Acro is gonna basically be a apex

Sucho is planned around 5T area

[light steppe]

U Talk about Animals that prob dosnt even come out in this year
or that comes in the next 3 Years

[viscid mica]

Allo will

[light steppe]

Ye but Right Now i dont talk about soon

[light steppe]

if we are Lucky
we had a time where 1 year no Dino Came

[viscid mica]

Aollo and Rex will probably drop before end of summer

[light steppe]

Hopefully
but self then
Rex is Apex and Allo is Sub Apex
Cera is Mid
and Omni Small

[viscid mica]

Rex and trike from what kissen been saying are pretty close to he drop ready

[viscid mica]

Allo is not a sub apex by any means

It’s barely double the weight of ceras

[light steppe]

If he comes out he will dominate the Island

[viscid mica]

Rex is set to be some 8-9T

[light steppe]

That is RN much

[viscid mica]

I mean ya cuz it’ll be the only mid tier

[light steppe]

Rex will only be playable on unofficia

[viscid mica]

HT will still exist

Just cuz nothing is here now doesn’t change the reality of it

[light steppe]

Apex is The Biggest yea
But rn is the Cera and Carno a MID tier
I say RN
What comes in the Future is RN not importent because RN is the Cera and Carno the biggest Land Carni in Game
and if u Say they are in the Current playable list "small tiers" it would not make sense

[viscid mica]

I mean if we are talking in fighting power you could justify sub apex as the only things stronger are deino and stego,dibble maybe Maia if they are a super sweat Maia

But I’m talking about weight categories

[light steppe]

ye even then

U Cant say that RN the Biggest land Carnis are Small tiers

[glossy elbow]

if it does it'll be temporary not permanent

[viscid mica]

Even then they are small tier compared to a lot of the planned roaster

[obtuse bison]

u right u right

[viscid mica]

🔥

Like by that logic Sucho and Alberto would be apex’s

Which they aren’t

[light steppe]

yea but i talked about now
not soon
Because we dont know if he even have a Alberto or a Sucho in the next 3 Years
And Weight isnt a Parameter for Classes
Like We are Human and Technically we a Apex Predators but we a not Heavier then a Bear
yk

[viscid mica]

In terms of combat power as of rn cera is technically apex ya

But that’s only for rn

[light steppe]

Ye and i Talked about that
and it should not be that a "apex" Rn get killed because of 1 bite

[viscid mica]

More stuff will come and they are only adding Dino’s with wildly new mechanics to hammer out how they work from what I’m understanding

[viscid mica]

Ya dilo venom needs abit of rebalancing

It’s far too strong at night it’s stupid easy to get stage 3’d and it lasts forever at night

I upvoted that part

But I class them by weight category as everything in a 1v1 should roughly be fighting stuff in that same weight category

[light steppe]

Ye but i dont talked about Soon
I said that RN the Dilo is too strong
and I know when in i say like 5 Years
there a Dinos Like Sucho Alberta prob even a Apato
That is ok then

[viscid mica]

I mean by then proper apex’s will be out so they won’t be that strong

Sucho is set to be large tier

[light steppe]

But That is RN not a Good thing because nearly all Carnis are only Different by a Couple of hunderts KG

[viscid mica]

And Alberto probably on the bigger end of mid tiers

[viscid mica]

Ye but I’m not basing the rating or balancing off rn I’m thinking “how will this be when this drops” or “how will this fair when these are out”

[light steppe]

yea Prob
We both have different Opinions about That
I mean for there are (soon)
Tiny Tiers Small Tiers Mid Tiers Sup Apex and Apex

[viscid mica]

Ye

I mean most people base them off current power which is fair

But like a good example is stego a bonified land apex, basically 1 taps the entire roaster rn not op but far stronger than everything else that exists rn

[light steppe]

Ye but that They can Change then
The game rn is a bit Unbalanced if we go by Weight
Look at Dibble and Maia That are Couple of tons of weight
but the Biggest Carni beside of Deino are 1.3t

[viscid mica]

This is why a lot of people are advocating for allo drop

So that we have a carni in the same weight class

[light steppe]

It isnt Op u Right but its Out of Place in my opinion
i mean we have mostly Smaller Dinosaurs rn
And a Stego vs a Pack of Carnos isnt a Fair Fight because unlucky lag or smth Could mean Death for 1 in this Pack

[viscid mica]

It’s the same reason why there are how ever many weight classes in the UFC weight does matter

[viscid mica]

When there is nothing in its punching class on land for sure feels that way rn

[light steppe]

ye but allo Will be even out of Balanced then
and dont mean it Wrong I want too have Allo but Allo dont would have a Carni counterpart for a Long time

[viscid mica]

I mean if they are a competent stego they shouldn’t die to anything less than another stego or mix pack of dibbles and cera etc

[viscid mica]

No it prolly won’t

But most things will outrun allo or atleast hopefully

[light steppe]

I would too have rn
Sucho Bary Austro Alberto Allo prob even smth like a Monolopho
But i think every Dinosaur should have a Good Counterpart
like
Omni-Pachy
T.rex-Trike
But what is with
Dibble?
with
Maia?
Or even then soon
with Allo?

[viscid mica]

Or maybe out stam them

[viscid mica]

Dibble allo XD

[light steppe]

Not if u will Allo right
Allo will be a Ambush attacker like he wait

[viscid mica]

Allo will specialize in fighting stuff like dibble Maia

The ambush mechanic is set to be pretty cool

[light steppe]

But we dont have allo rn
That is what i mean
i would mostly like if we get 2 Dinos ever that is the Counterpart yk

[viscid mica]

Ya that’s why I’m pretty sure Rex trike are set to drop together

I think we might see kentro allo

Maybe or seprate

[light steppe]

Allo would (i guess) hunt Everything That is Smaller and that is not Fast Enough to escape the Ambush
i mean allo can get at the Animal and then its Diffently Dead if he dont have a Friend

[viscid mica]

Allo will probably punch up more than down

[light steppe]

Kentro is tooo Small
kentro would be a Snack for like a Cera

[viscid mica]

Bro is a porcupine that will probably do a ton of bleed

[light steppe]

but he dont will have much HP

[viscid mica]

1.3-1.5 ish

[light steppe]

guess it would be a 1t

[viscid mica]

Roughly cera sized

[worthy steeple]

would you rather have bigger carnivore with nothing for it to hunt?

[light steppe]

Cera is a good dmg Dealer