general-feedback-discussion

[tight oxide]

why would you want people to have to stop running while in the heat of battle when they could tap one button to say what they need

again its still optional where it wont affect you like global

[mint girder]

If they’re in a pack then they can run a few feet and let the other engage

This addition would be useful to like nobody

[manic flint]

Give us a real argument instead of "I type fast"

[tight oxide]

what about people who cant type fast?

didnt the devs say they want to make the game more accessible to all people

[mint girder]

I don’t think there’s anyone who types that slow

[manic flint]

This argument is so stupid there have been 0 points made against it lmaoo

[mint girder]

Never heard of any problem like that in this game

[paper oriole]

Blunt is incapable of fathoming the possibility that his personal opinions are not a hivemind of the whole playerbase

[mint girder]

Ur free to go then

[tight oxide]

people can type slow enough that its better to press one button to say what you want lmao

and again its a optional thing

wouldnt affect you in any way lmao

[mint girder]

You’d need a significant ammount of keybinds for it to be even a little bit useful

[tight oxide]

you really need like 4 basic quotes and even then emote wheel is a thing for that

[mint girder]

It’s just in general an unresourceful idea

[manic flint]

QoL features aren't always used by everyone doesn't mean they aren't helpful

[mint girder]

I see this being helpful in no way

[tight oxide]

you dont yet you dont give a good reason lmao

[paper oriole]

@frosty thunder why add dakotaraptor when we have jp raptor and the devs already want to add another utahraptor. If anything it might be worth a skin and nothing more

[tight oxide]

you keep saying too many keybinds when i said a solution for it

[manic flint]

What's so hard to understand about "it's faster and less clunky"?

[mint girder]

And I said your solution still sucks

Because it’s unresourceful

[tight oxide]

wouldnt the skin be smaller?

i think that would mess with hitboxes or something

[mint girder]

Remodel bigger current a little smaller

[tight oxide]

a wheel that you can click what you want?

or again simply mapping the quotes to what keys you want

[manic flint]

How?

[paper oriole]

Probably, dakota is just a smaller version of current raptor tbh

[mint girder]

You mean like path of titans

[tight oxide]

wheels arent just in PoT lmao

you acting like PoT invented them

[sick pond]

dakota is probably larger then the raptor we have in game but that doesn’t change shit

[mint girder]

Well the only other example you have was fortnite and that’s not even how it works in fortnite

[sick pond]

literally adds nothing

[mint girder]

Adds saurian 📉

[manic flint]

In Ark I would rather press a button to tell my dinos to follow me than stop, then go through a menu, then tell them to follow me

[paper oriole]

Honestly just make shit like dakota, carchar and cory skins since the assets are just there

[tight oxide]

it kinda does and ark has something similar

[sick pond]

why even bother tho

[paper oriole]

[mint girder]

Never really played ark so I wouldn’t know what ur referencing

[tight oxide]

and whats wrong with mapping said quotes to what keys you want?

[sick pond]

I mean idc but I don’t see the reason

[mint girder]

Nothing wrong with it but it’s just not resourceful

[paper oriole]

They have assets but they arent worth being their own animal

[tight oxide]

how

[sick pond]

that model 🤢

[mint girder]

Typing is just a ol easier

[tight oxide]

its a QoL thing to help

[mint girder]

Dakota model is poop

[paper oriole]

lmao i cant decide if this one is worse or their old plateo

[tight oxide]

ah yes its somehow harder to click one button instead of pressing multiple

you arent making sense bruv

[mint girder]

It’s not rocket science

[sick pond]

if they ever do end up adding a feathered raptor I hope to god they don’t just slap feathers on Utah, that would be like ark level ugly

[mint girder]

Oh yeah

I want plumage

[paper oriole]

Feathers on current utah would probably be sleeve feathers and that hideous

[tight oxide]

make the feathers have utah look chunky

[mint girder]

Sleeve feathers?

[sick pond]

what it sounds like

[manic flint]

Pressing 1 button is much easier than pressing multiple, you make no sense lol

[mint girder]

Not a fan

[paper oriole]

Feathers that dont reach the fingers because the wrists are pronated

[mint girder]

Whatever you say

[paper oriole]

So it looks ugly

[tight oxide]

i like this

imo

[paper oriole]

[manic flint]

It's just math but sure

[tight oxide]

hands look off

[paper oriole]

Yeah the hands are the issue

[sick pond]

death

[tight oxide]

like a sudden stop in feathers at the hands but the rest i like

[mint girder]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-sad-sad-troll-face-sad-troll-face-gif-20492888

[sick pond]

we REALLY should argue about dinosaur lips it would be really funny and not at all incredibly frustrating

[tight oxide]

imagine how much history would of changed if jurassic park didnt call dakota a velo and if they made said raptor look accurate

just imagine...

[mint girder]

Nobody would care

[paper oriole]

I am mostly impartial on dino lips

[sick pond]

they didn’t even know about dakotaraptor when jp was made lmao

[tight oxide]

there would be more accurate raptors

[paper oriole]

Wasnt their raptor supposedly based on deinon

[sick pond]

yeah

[tight oxide]

they would if dakota wasnt called velo

[mint girder]

For its time nobody knew

[tight oxide]

oh yea it wasXD

[mint girder]

And an accurate raptor would be hard to fit inside

[tight oxide]

fit inside...?

[mint girder]

Yes it’s a suit

[paper oriole]

The meat suits

[mint girder]

Antleast for the first movie

[paper oriole]

There were people in the jurassic park movie raptor suits

[mint girder]

Very fascinating tbh

[paper oriole]

Not the later ones but the OG

Now we have ugly cgi blue with hideous teeth

[sick pond]

why do you keep calling the jp velos dakotaraptor

[tight oxide]

i legit forgot lmao

i had dakota on my mind cus someone said a dakota skin

[frosty thunder]

I just would like a feathered Utah that just doesnt have fuzz on the top of its lips. Plus the way the devs keep ignoring Utah's problem. Plus I hate JP Utah

[tight oxide]

so boom oof

[tight oxide]

at least fix utahs arms

[paper oriole]

Dondi said that a realistic utah is probably coming

[frosty thunder]

It looks nasty the way it wrist just snap down.

[frosty thunder]

That and it wouldnt hurt more then one raptor running around. If anything I would like it to be DLC. I like the raptor family, I would like one that more of a solo hunter.

[paper oriole]

Either way theres like 3 dromeosaurs planned not including the new utahraptor anyway so theres not really any shortage

[tepid gate]

So I'm growing a Utah for the first time and(for starters I have to say that so far it's the easiest animal to grow on this patch at least out of those that I've played)... why in the world is its diet so... weird?

the three dots are alright - Tenonto, Pachy and Boar - no complaints there

"S" is fine too - Carno, Stego, Rabbit, that's alright

[paper oriole]

Cus the devs clearly added diets too early and dont know what to do with their mistake

[tepid gate]

but then why is the last one, the two lines so... stupid?

I mean two of those animals are played once in a blue moon and the last one is really hard to catch and also particularly small

this isn't even an issue with how awful diets are in general, this is just pure thoughtlessness

[paper oriole]

They dont seem to consider that, especially since they removed dryo ai

Guess theyre content with diets being trash until gore arrives

[tepid gate]

mix those animals up a little, swap Pteranodon with Tenonto or Pachy, or even Boar and it gets much better straight away

[paper oriole]

It can be a bit better, yeah

[tepid gate]

because none of your nutrients is entirely reliant on 2 animals that nobody plays and one that is tiny and makes for an extremely situational prey

This is either just trolling, or the devs have some weird idea that "small animals gib dis nutrient" or idk what else

It makes absolutely no sense to put these animals like this

[mint girder]

What does Erwin charge gotta do with Utah

[last lily]

Everything

[paper oriole]

ugh another energy/forced sleep suggestion

[last lily]

I wish I could sleep just as easily as these forced sleep suggestions allow.

[paper oriole]

sleeping as an option with some perks would be very nice, but being forced or hard pushed to by some bs energy system is another boring and annoying element to juggle that nobody needs

[tight oxide]

guys i have an idea for sleeping in a time when evrima ecosystem is finished (aka more noc dinosaurs)

[paper oriole]

imagine dying to something you should very well be able to fight off just because it happened to roll up when your energy bar is low that sounds horrid

[last lily]

I remember Morbius( a GMOD gamemode) had sleep as a task... and you could be killed pretty easily by falling asleep in the middle of combat while an alien is running loose on the ship/base.

[paper oriole]

yikes

[last lily]

It was probably about as annoying as you'd imagine.

As well as having to piss making your vision turn blurry, morphing and yellow..

[paper oriole]

LMAO what why would pissing make your vision yellow

[last lily]

I don't know

[paper oriole]

that game sounds atrocious lmao

[tight oxide]

what if you could sleep the whole time at night and have very small food and water drainage while having a healing buff but you will not be aware of your surroundings and cant hear anything and you will take a while to wake up

[last lily]

It used to be pretty popular but it's dead now. TTT doesn't have such mechanics at least..

Morbius was Among Us before Among Us was even a fetus.

||Kill me||

[paper oriole]

i dont think that sleeping should lower resource drainage, but it should increase healing and stam regen

sleeping could also be a way to heal the locked health

[last lily]

I'd be worried about that... thanks to POT.. or was it BOB?? I swear one of them had busted sleeping

[tight oxide]

I think if they did my idea somewhat it could make nocturnal dinosaur gameplay more fun

moving around the night seeing all the sleeping dinosaurs and if you are day animal you might wake up to see your friend dead or something

sleeping could be realistic while still being balanced in a way

[paper oriole]

like, as long as you arent forced to do it or punished for not doing it, it's good

[tight oxide]

pot sleeping regen is pretty godly ngl

[last lily]

The image of an Anky sleeping and ignoring a whole Utah pack just invaded my brain, thanks for that.

[tight oxide]

it would wake up from pure damage or bleed lol

[last lily]

Armor son!! They strengthen in response to biting and clawing. You can't hurt this Ankylosaur
I don't think any Anky would just let it happen, but it is funny to think about.

[tight oxide]

anky could prob sleep in a pose that hides all its weak points

[paper oriole]

a lot of people pick on rugops for being small, but isnt spectro even smaller lol

[limber hull]

spectro carno juvi niche smh

[paper oriole]

like, what would he do

[signal beacon]

Be another therapod carnivore

[last lily]

He's a polite boy. That's his niche.

[signal beacon]

@dapper mirage Do you really think any dino would be happy to find itself in The Isle's roster?

[paper oriole]

spectro utah food

[tight oxide]

utahraptor being all hyped to join until it gets plucked of its feathers and gets broken wrists

[last lily]

https://c.tenor.com/3N71OTe0__cAAAAC/frank-castle-wait.gif Utah when it's time for its wrists to be broken and feathers plucked.

[paper oriole]

magyarosaurus the island dwarf sauropod that went extinct the moment a landbridge opened when he hears he is getting added to the isle with allos and rexes and carnos and albertos and dilos and utahs and ceratos and-

[tight oxide]

hairless monkes...

[tight oxide]

bary on its way to becoming a shriveled up shrimp

[limber hull]

@mystic parcel not a valid comparison. While yes, lizards can be extremely vibrant and colourful, you'll notice larger reptiles often become either greys, browns or other less vibrant colours. A stegosaurus with vibrant blue/purple colouration just looks wrong

[mystic parcel]

as if youve seen a real stego

[tight oxide]

true...

[limber hull]

i've seen real reptiles

[mystic parcel]

stego not real?

[tight oxide]

for all we could know dinosaurs could of had the brightest colors and something changed down the line idk

[limber hull]

doubtful lmao

[mystic parcel]

exactly

[keen bough]

ever seen a crocodile?

[tight oxide]

i mean dont take my words and say rex was blue

[keen bough]

big lizard

[limber hull]

literally no biological reason for anything but the plates to be vibrant

[mystic parcel]

we have never seen a dinosaur so you literally cant say its "unnatural" if stego had a blue hue

[paper oriole]

nothing over 2 tons should have blue and purple all over it tbh

[limber hull]

^

[paper oriole]

ceratopsians having flashy crests? sure, but not on their body. stego having flashy plates? sure, but thats all

[limber hull]

it looks silly, i can get behind nice and vibrant plates

[paper oriole]

they dont need purple spots and blue skin and red stripes

[limber hull]

but a deep purple stego is where i draw the line

huge BoB vibes

[paper oriole]

i get that these are gmo animals but theres a limit where things just start looking absurd

[mystic parcel]

all im saying you guys cant say its unnatural when youve literally never seen one in irl. if you dislike the color than dont choose it. but let it be an option for other players

[paper oriole]

animsla tend to repeatedly adjust to their environment with fitting skin unless they are venomous or can afford to stand out

[mystic parcel]

im not saying go neon bright colors

[limber hull]

How can we tell dinosaurs didn't look like this? I'll tell you how, because animals don't fucking look like that. A blue stego looks unnatural, no matter what. The argument "you've never seen a real dino it could look like anything" is essentially like saying BoB is realistic in its skin system lmao, even though we can all agree that's 100% not the case

[paper oriole]

this is historically consistent from as far back as we can date visually, so why would it for what ever reason not be the case for the dinosaurs

[mystic parcel]

im literally saying not NEON

[limber hull]

That's not neon, that's just colourful

[paper oriole]

animals with overly flashy skins tend to not survive very long either because they cant hunt or cant escape hunters

[limber hull]

The neon skins in BoB are a different thing entirely

[mystic parcel]

that para has neon yellow and neon blue

[limber hull]

its just bright dude, we have no way to tell it didn't look like that

[paper oriole]

also dont we have color evidence on psittacosaurus and the mf was literally shit brown

[limber hull]

lmao

I do like shitty taco tho, it's very funny

[mystic parcel]

yes some dinosaurs have found evidence of a specific color

[paper oriole]

we also have evidence of black from some feathered theropod

[mystic parcel]

doesnt mean all were fuckin brown

[last lily]

Borealopelta had a nice sexy red brown going on with slight hints of orange(I think I can dig up a picture that shows what pigments they found it had, or something)

I think the iridescent black is from Microraptor(giving it a coloration similar to a crow).

[paper oriole]

well, consistent ecological adaptions in animals, especially large ones, strongly supports dinos like a rex not being fuckin purple or blue

red and orange are pretty natural colors

orange especially

quite commonly found even in modern animals

blue and purple are much less common

[last lily]

I can do with some details.. like red and black stripes on sauropod necks and tails..but blue or purple kinda....nah.. and certainly not the whole body(which should generally be earthy tones, grays, browns, light or dark greens, tans, etc)

[last lily]

The romans had to resort to finding rare specialized snails just for purple dye. Purple rare as hell.

[paper oriole]

blue and purple should for the most part be restricted to male crests and small showy animals like hypsi who will be able to climb and escape most of its threats

[paper oriole]

didnt they get purple from the snails ass

or something

[limber hull]

purple is one of the rarest colours in nature

[last lily]

It was either that.. or they squashed them.. and it took like 12 of them to get even a small bucket's worth or some shit.

Borealopelta my beloved.

[mystic parcel]

im totally fine with that, its just the old legacy color were so bland. we dont need a barney dinosaur but dif hues of colors are nice

[paper oriole]

good animal

[limber hull]

i agree with that, i just don't want absurd looking creatures

[last lily]

Better image cause the other one wanted to be small.

[mystic parcel]

isnt its backside very vulnerable?

[last lily]

There's basically nothing but armor and sharp scales and ass in the back end of it...

[paper oriole]

personally id be fine if for some animals outside of little flight animal range, if there was a row of unusual colors like blues and mute purples, you can pick one for a layer and then that row becomes unusable for the rest of the layers. but not for all animals

but like, a stego with a blue body and purple stripes and red plates on top of that is ridiculous

stego's fancy colors should be restricted to those plates

[mystic parcel]

id like for all animals to have colorful options. it doesnt have to be their entire body, but having blue spots or something would be nice. not bright colors that burn your eyes but colorful

[paper oriole]

this sauro makes me sad for the isle anky

[last lily]

Same... The Saurian Anky though...Me want that.

[paper oriole]

saurian and pangea have nice plump ankys

[last lily]

More then anything I want to recreate this Dilo in the Isle

[paper oriole]

god the arms on that thing are hideous

[last lily]

It's an old game.. It's been dead for ........10 years?? More?

Thankfully the Isle's Dilo's hands are better...given it is also a much newer model made with more up to date tech

[paper oriole]

i yearn for fat whipper

[last lily]

Chonky Anky the only true anky.

[paper oriole]

the isle did him so dirty

[last lily]

Why would you make Anky skinny

[paper oriole]

making anky skinny is so dumb, thats like if you took spino and made it a land therop- oh wait

[last lily]

OH WAIT

Not like we already have 2 other land apex predators and a huge opportunity to spice things up with the Spino.

[paper oriole]

i honestly struggle to understand some of their decisions

[last lily]

They want to make Spino an aquatic dinosaur...while making it look simultaneously not aquatic whatsoever in design. Got a long tail but....proportions, skull, arms, sail... torso....

[paper oriole]

it looks about as good at swimming as an allosaurus

[last lily]

You can make a badass stylized aquatic spino, rip.. Not that hard to do, they even had some cool ideas(Fred always makes good stuff), with the concept art.

||It was either Fred or Tapwing.||

[keen bough]

spino head looks like longer and skinnier rex head

[last lily]

It still looks a little like a spino head at least...but they could've done so much more... I will give props: it is textured very nicely, I do like the scale work and the fact they want it to be beeg..but I am not fond of the design.. Probably still play it though whenever it comes out in 2045 unless the world is in a nuclear winter by then..

[paper oriole]

i woulda been happy with tap spino

[mystic parcel]

reminds be of a tadpole

[paper oriole]

tap spino also morphs better with the hyper spino. better sail shape and leg length

no clue why the pic is so small tf

[last lily]

Smol pic.

[keen bough]

I'm not saying I don't like dragon spino but if it looked like taps which actually looks pretty aquatic, that would make me happy

[paper oriole]

taps has a sail thats shaped more like hyper sail, it has legs that are more consistent in length with its arms like the hyper spino, it has a nice long head that really gives off swamp monster vibes and not elongated rex

[last lily]

It's eyes are also in the correct socket

[paper oriole]

yeah the current base spino has its eyes in the upper nasal chamber or what ever its called thats ahead of the eyesocket

not the nose hole but what ever the middle hole is lmao

[keen bough]

in any case however any spino is better than legacy spino

[mystic parcel]

true dat

[paper oriole]

idk, at least i could laugh at legacy spino

[keen bough]

friggin... piece of paper

[paper oriole]

new spino is just

[keen bough]

[last lily]

Billboard vs confused identity and function

[paper oriole]

at least with legacy spino i could be like

and laugh when they died and just floated over

[last lily]

Legacy Spino gives strange "Um acktually" vibes...and I feel scared

[paper oriole]

man im gonna miss this stupid bastard

[mystic parcel]

looks like a chicken

[wooden mica]

down with the panc-anky, up with the loaf-anky.... I wanna be a walkin bread roll not a crepe

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr 20 minutes is way too much
That's 4x the current time

[barren zephyr]

its a croc

its 4x worse than what it is irl

[keen bough]

bro crocs stay underwater for hours, and deinosuchus had WAAy bigger lungs man

[barren zephyr]

20 mins is far from unreasonable

[last lily]

I mean...you could have younger Deino's have less oxygen than the adults... if the devs were willing to make hatchling/juvenile Deino's better, either with a new trot animation, or more flexibility(turning included, or interactions with environment)... Don't really know how to feel though -shrug-. Don't want Deino to be even easier to grow than it is already.(It's just very long... and time consuming,.. and a good time to watch a movie while waiting to actually play)

[barren zephyr]

now. i would be ok with the current time we have. but the air regen should be instant instead of waiting to refill

[keen bough]

adult deinos should definetly have 20 minutes oxygen sometimes you won't find even one drinking dino in that time

[barren zephyr]

cuz the more time you spend above water regening ur air like fat walmart employee with high cholesteral, the more time people have to spot you

[barren zephyr]

yea i think that would work

cuz whats the time rn 5-10 mins?

[keen bough]

like 7

bro a fricking HUMAN can hold their breath for 6 minutes

irl

[barren zephyr]

yea its stupid

yea 20 mins would be perfect

with instant air regen the moment you go above the water

[keen bough]

holding q could make you regain oxygen real quick

[urban flax]

Irl days don't last 30 minutes either...

20 minutes in The Isle is almost an entire day without breathing
Even whales can't do that

[barren zephyr]

7 mins for a aquatic ambush predator EVEN in a game is pathetic

[urban flax]

Currently afaik it's 5 minutes, 7 minutes would be reasonable

[barren zephyr]

when you have to wait for things to come to you

[tidal rose]

You all seem to forget that a day in evrima is about 40 minutes long, so taking IN GAME TIME in to account, your croc is staying submerged for a very long part of the day.

plus its a video game, if they could indefinitely sit underwater they would be overpowered as hell.

[barren zephyr]

bro its a croc that legit their whole hunting method

[tidal rose]

so? I as a deino have been pretty succesful with the 5 minute limit

it matches perfectly with in game time

[barren zephyr]

where

where do u hunt

[tidal rose]

I hunt where I can breathe stealthfully. so center river. It has lots of bushes near the shore, if you breathe, always breathe in a bush

and then you never have to worry about being spotted

in one instance while breathing in a bush a pachy ran up to me and started drinking not realizing i was there

I ate him

[barren zephyr]

i stand by my suggestion

[tidal rose]

I don't. One thing that keeps deinos from being even more broken is the time limit

[barren zephyr]

it aint op when ur confined to the water. people come to drink and there is always a risk

[tidal rose]

It is op, because then you can't scout out safe water at all if a croc can just stay submerged

[urban flax]

Currently the only way to spot a deino is when it surfaces to breathe. If you remove that, then you remove the only counterplay against that animal and make it even more unfair than it already was

[keen bough]

doesn't technically matter, because its moreso that time just moves faster as in the daynight cycle is faster but that doesn't affect the dinos, they don't move in hyper speed

[barren zephyr]

thats how its meant to be

ur not meant to know

[tidal rose]

we are talking about an animal that ONE SHOTS anything below 4 tons. Hell yeah it needs a weakness. You expect it to oneshot everything smaller than 80% stegs and be able to stay underwater for a year?

[urban flax]

You're meant to have a way of surviving any situation if you're playing well enough

[limber hull]

ive managed to get kills as deino even with the oxygen as it is

[barren zephyr]

its a bus sized animal. that moves slower than a stego theres ur saving grace

[limber hull]

20 mins is way too long btw

[urban flax]

Bruh you're not reading are you ?

[tidal rose]

Lol..... if you can't see it, it doesn't matter if its slow. It oneshots you

[barren zephyr]

its a bus sized animal that really doesnt need explaining

[tidal rose]

admitably, id be fine with BABY crocs being able to dive for longer, just for purposes of avoiding the adults if need be, hiding in a log or something. But not adults lol

[keen bough]

that doesn't make any fricking sense?!

[barren zephyr]

they can move faster on land there is teh escape for teh little ones

they are faster

[urban flax]

Yeah, sure. It's already bus-sized, why would it need a basically infiinte breath timer on top of that ?

[barren zephyr]

cuz its a crocodile

[limber hull]

just get oxygen from hidden points or before the hunt

[urban flax]

ofc
It's a crocodile
How could I forget that

[tidal rose]

@limber hull thank you

[limber hull]

thats how i hunt as deino

[tidal rose]

same, use bushes to breathe

then submerge

[limber hull]

if i miss a kill, eh, my hunger timer is fucking ludicrous so i can just wait it out for the next one

[keen bough]

you never know when a dino comes so you chill on surface, but the ripples make you SO obvious that it's useless

[limber hull]

i can agree ripples are a little silly

[tidal rose]

yup, ripples be dumb

[limber hull]

id prefer less ripples on slow deinos than an oxygen buff

[keen bough]

whenever you submerge it's like a beacon

[limber hull]

and an ability to only raise the head, rather than whole body

[barren zephyr]

i hate the new water i think we can all agree

[limber hull]

eh, nah, i like new water

[keen bough]

oxygen buff still needed, like BRUH 5 minutes come on!

[limber hull]

very cool looking

just dislike it from how sensitive it is

[barren zephyr]

i hate teh effect

shades horribly

[wooden mica]

I dont know why but I just want to say... where the nudibranchs at?

give nudibranch

[analog ledge]

@hollow kraken Compy doesn't have to be playable bc a if a lot of people play it its just gonna make the map dead bc those players are going to play something that is impossible to see etc

[hybrid tiger]

@steady tide I think it’s good that pteras have to swim out of the water as it’s punishment for falling in the water

[wooden mica]

Bruh, we just like compy, let us play them

[steady tide]

similar to some bird tho

[limber hull]

exactly. Little dino funny

[steady tide]

(ik birds aren't related to pterasaurs)

[analog ledge]

@signal beacon I think herbis should sniff for blood and should sniff while walking but I don't want that with the tracks to be back.Its not normal megapacks of pachys and tenos to be better hunters than the carnis

The herbis shouldn't be able to hunt

[hybrid tiger]

But then falling to your death is your only punishment for being a bad flyer so I prefer it being like bats where if they fall in they have to swim out

[lament solar]

Hi, will devs do something with nightime duration?

[limber hull]

@stiff storm Don't agree with the ptera thing, but most is around right. Also stop upvoting your own shit over and over again lmao

Also no to teno

[urban flax]

Upvoting yourself is fine, putting 6 different reactions under your own message is kinda cringe

[hybrid tiger]

I think ptera should be rebuffed bc someone who thinks they’re funny can just land next to you and two tap you

[limber hull]

i mean... you could also nerf pteras damage to fix that lmao

[wooden mica]

this just in, any more nerfing and ptera may as well just be taken off playable roster and just be an ambient bird

[ashen wasp]

i can see Ptera getting a water takeoff if its fishing method were changed from skimming to plunge-diving. let its gameplay loop involve a bit of risk, and allow it more versatility to balance that out-- especially if we eventually get to fish in the ocean like we should

[wooden mica]

a bit!? just choosing one and playing on a server that isnt dead is risk enough need water? deino river. need food? carnos everywhere

and dont hit me with the "but you can fly so you can just get out of danger" we all know that only works if youre ok being a camera til you die from never landing

[hybrid tiger]

Food for Petra is free from just skimming for fish and water is easy because you find one of the many shallow spots in rivers
Petra is just a spectator cam that needs to hold right mouse button occasionally

[sick dirge]

If you’re dying as ptera to anything that isn’t a surprise attack

Skill issue

[stray holly]

you can hold your breath for 3 minutes as an adult.

This is ludicrous to me. An 8 ton alligator should be holding its breath for a decent amount longer than that. 7-10 minutes seems more reasonable to me.

20 minutes like I've seen some suggest is overkill.

For the sake of game balance, 20 minutes is just too much. Doesn't matter if IRL gators could do it, you'd never see Deinos swimming on the surface as a land dweller if it were 20 minutes.

[stray holly]

@tidal rose @dense vale Would either of you be willing to explain why you disagree with my feedback? Respectfully.

[stiff storm]

Just pre empting the react emotes Yes to teno

[limber hull]

pre-nerf teno was fucking stupid imho. Tailslam should be buffed, but not to be the only viable tool in teno's arsenal all over again

[stray holly]

@stiff storm Diets are fine the way they're spread out.

[stiff storm]

Not for stegos I believe. That's a crazy walk haha

Teno sure thats easy

[stray holly]

It's the strongest thing in the game rn. It should be somewhat difficult to maintain.

[stiff storm]

I mean just for growing. Once grown I'd assume most don't venture across the map to maintain 3 diets

[stray holly]

Argument still stands. Shouldn't be easy to grow the strongest thing in the game.

[stiff storm]

I agree it shouldn't be 'easy'.

[dense vale]

@stray holly sure, thats kinda my problem there is everyone is worried about difficulty and not so worried about is this fun enough that people want to play it, is this gonna be viable with nesting, do people get rewarded for exploring, stuff like that. im not gonna play herb to do scripted marathon run

[stray holly]

Well that seems to be the direction the devs are going in. Difficulty has been a theme that they’ve wanted to run with a long time and this is the first step towards that. If you find to too difficult or not fun it’s gonna be a matter of either don’t play herbivore and play carnivore or don’t play the game at all.

Walking back and forth across the map is looking to be a part of the herbivore lifestyle instead of just sitting in one spot their entire lives. Whether or not that’s fun is up to the individual player. I don’t mind doing it because I sometimes find other players to engage in combat with, or I’m looking for other isolated spots that people might not know about.

[dense vale]

just like wallowing its either everywhere or no where, middle ground not found

[stray holly]

Yeah. It’s either too much when it’s on every riverbank, or too little when it’s just mud pools. At this stage of the game it feels like a pointless feature.

I can’t remember the last time I bolted to a mud pit to wallow after combat before Oasis got removed.

[smoky harness]

It being significantly difficult to grow to the strongest and it being to the point where it is un-fun are two different things.

[tidal rose]

@stray holly While I agree it should be hard to grow herbivores, and I don't mind migration, I think the way the plants are spread is extremely tedious and unfun to deal with. I have a full grown stego in multiple servers but once I realized I have to go from top left to bottom right of the map constantly..... I just logged out instantly, it felt like a slog and its just boring enough for me to not care and not bother with herbivores. An alternate system of some sorts would be best, but I am not trudging across the map over and over because its boring

Its not even that I get to explore, Its just goign to the same 3 spots.

[dense vale]

i just dont understand why everything has to be 0 or 100, can people see no middle ground between being able to sit in one spot for 5 hrs like legacy, or making people walk the same path back and forth across the map

[tidal rose]

Because of the increased distances, I would probably afk grow a stego now because its just so much less tedious. I would just simply plop him in a bush and do other things and ocasionally eat and drink. I never wanted to afk grow before lol.

In fact I took the time out of my day to go on a near empty server to test something out. It took me 40 minutes to reach all 3 nutrients as a baby. That didn't account for predators (Except hiding from a carno in one instance) and I could freely swim across the rivers etc. It would probably take closer to a hour to traverse the map safely without dying. A hour just to get food is not fun lol... then you get to do it again.

And the biggest insult to injury is simply that stegos have no way to mask their scent, so any carnivore at all that walks over your trail at any point forces you to restart your slog of a map travel time. Its just unfun really. There are ways to make it more difficult and challenging without making it monotonous, boring, repetitive and a true slog to deal with

Thats the reason I put a X and a NO on your post

And the 40 minutes was constant running too, baby stegs like never run out of stam while running, its crazy

It feels like a grind, versus you playing a dinosaur and enjoying yourself. I don't play mmo's because I don't want to kill the same thing over and over till I get to level whatever, so why would I zig zag across the map over and over till i get a certain growth?

In fact here is tthe map I made, off the recording I did.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/953299338673655808/953300428060246076/unknown.png

Keep in mind this was nearly empty of a server so encounters were minimal

[dense vale]

thats your purpose of playing the game is to suffer until a carnivore eats you

[tidal rose]

I have become a ptera main that doesn't bother about diets

I just kinda flap around in air and scream real annoying and do whatever now

[smoky harness]

That sounds more fun than the recommended play-style lol

[tidal rose]

Yup. I also found a real fun playstyle that I call vulture.

You kinda pick a herbivore herd or a stego to follow and eat only the things they kill

pretty fun

[dense vale]

i usually try to drop fish on people

[tidal rose]

Either way, those are my reasons. so yeah, im poofing now

[smoky harness]

Honestly I've stopped playing because it stopped being fun since diets happened

Can't play the way I wanna play, so it stopped being fun for me.

[dense vale]

i either play bird or dont play. open world game where you cant explore and naturally find your stuff to interact with doesnt interest me. something walking a scripted path is a job for AI not people imo

[smoky harness]

Agree

[tight oxide]

it amazes me how big giantoraptor was lol

[stray holly]

I guess it just loops back around to what different people consider fun. Me having hardly ever played herbivore before diets became a thing, then deciding to try it out after the update. I do enjoy playing it a lot.

I guess if you were used to how things used to be it’s rough to adjust to the new thing.

[sick dirge]

How many herbivores have you played since the patch?

Sorry for ping btw

[stray holly]

I’ve grown a tenonto, two pachys, and a stego after the update.

[sick dirge]

Oh alr

[stray holly]

Haven’t touched Dryo or Hypsi because I don’t see much of a point.

[sick dirge]

Just curious because I feel like certain herbivores handle the new diets way better than others

Like teno is far better mobility wise than stego

[stray holly]

Stego is definitely the most tedious. Tenonto is probably the easiest of the 3.

Pachy is pretty useless now when their hits don’t register unfortunately.

[sick dirge]

Indeed

Sad because pachy is my favorite

[tidal rose]

Its not about being used to anything, its about this specific system making it not fun

[dense vale]

theres ways to make people not be able to stay in 1 spot without making them run a route across the map. i would just make plants pretty evenly spread, then have an area be eaten up and empty if a couple herbs are there for an hour. then they have to go find a fresh area. that way people can choose where they go. you get rewarded for going away from hot spots with more food. and nesting is viable by going to a fresh zone and the food will last just long enough to raise kids.

[urban flax]

Bruh another one spamming reactions on his own message

[paper oriole]

Nice that 2 carnos died to a cliff tho lol that dino is a disease

[prisma stump]

Legacy and Evrima carno are 2 different species entirely at this point lol

[barren zephyr]

One is a carno one is a rex

[prisma stump]

Facts

[valid zephyr]

@haughty dock like 90% of my deaths in evrima are the hidden cliffs. Usually in forests at night.

Has never been an issue in legacy, PoT, or BoB. It's specifically an evrima issue with the super dense forests and cliffs disguised in undergrowth.

[haughty dock]

agree but i think the problem is only that you dont see that ur running towards a cliff

just delete the bushes

[kindred flare]

@covert nest the next dinosaur will be added whenever its finished so theoretically we could get beipi before update 5, however it's unlikely as there's a skin glitch happening with it and update 5 seems to be right around the corner

[covert nest]

ok, thanks for responding

[spark juniper]

Anyone having issues not going over 30 or so fps? And as soon as you’re next to other players, drops below and becomes almost unplayable ?

[paper oriole]

Does silverfox really wanna get rid of that cool bigass seaport

[covert nest]

yeah, it happens with a lot of people and its because of the game performance. Me and other players already complained about that to the developers and I hope they are fixing it

[spark juniper]

Okay, good to know they’re working on it!

[covert nest]

I hope so 😄

[limber hull]

apparently lmao

[paper oriole]

smh

[sand lantern]

@mint girder What exactly is so cool and interesting about gigantoraptor?

[mint girder]

I like the idea of large oviraptorids. It’s very unique in that way. It also looks really cool.

[sand lantern]

I guess that’s pretty cool

[paper oriole]

I feel like hed just function as giant galli just like current oviraptor so far looks like its just going to be small galli

Waste of potential

[manic flint]

True

[paper oriole]

like don't get me wrong, oviraptors are one of my top favorite dinosaur families, but ovi itself already looks like its getting cucked by galli, we dont need another one unless it had a solid niche laid out for it.

[manic flint]

Giganto would kill things a good bit smaller than it and run from most things, steal eggs and be an omnivore. Not much to add to make it not galli

[paper oriole]

yeah i really can only see it as a hyper galli unless someone comes up with something creative. omnivore, top tier speed, kick based combat, below average durability for its size, good stamina, really just sounds like galli+

[manic flint]

Yea

[last lily]

XL Galli with less pointy beak.

[manic flint]

Giganto is cool but has no place in the game

[stark dust]

Isleraptor

[manic flint]

Novaraptor

Apolloraptor

[limber hull]

also, on the topic of that "merc faction" thing or whatever it was, I'm putting a huge pass on that. The concept of some dude going "yea just farm juvis with ranged builds as poacher to reach level 3 real fast" fills me with immeasurable feelings of cringe lmao. The game doesn't need some odd levelling system, a "point" system, weird fucking stat bonuses or some odd functionalities like having a "wild companion" or some mercs which essentially are the grim reaper for dinosaurs

[manic flint]

Yea this isn't ark or something

We got rid of progression for a reason

[limber hull]

let's be honest, no one is picking anything but poacher

and everyone is going to grab the best weapons to kill the most shit fast

[manic flint]

Yea

Mercs should have very few bullets and use them very sparingly

Like, they should never be hunting dinos

[worthy plover]

with nesting and eggs right around the corner, i think that oviraptors would have a very niche role in the isle, giving a whole new set of dangers from dinos nesting eggs, unless im mistaken and they don't actively go after eggs.

[paper oriole]

galli and other dinos can eat eggs too

even if oviraptor is "better" at eating eggs, it is just a dietary difference that doesn't make it stand out

[sand lantern]

What if it has cool parkour mechanics?

[paper oriole]

what if, but nothing has been revealed as of yet, even though he has his concept sheet out

so i'm ready for disappointment

[worthy plover]

Yeah but what im saying is that ovi's would just be more incentivized to actively sniff out and go after eggs than other dinos. No harm if they aren't in game though, just think it would be cool to keep nesting dinos fearful in the night lol

[paper oriole]

yeah itll probably be fun to raid nests, though oviraptor will not be unique in doing that either way

[odd sedge]

Agreed, Ovi will not be the only egg snatcher but it will be the egg snatcher amongst them

Which makes it kind of unlogical for it to not come out with the nesting update.
But I could also guess the devs want to check if nesting works smoothly before breaking it with a creature made for "ruining" the fun

[urban flax]

All I can say about Ovi is crouch-sprinting. With just that, you have a dino that is perfect for snatching eggs and is not a worse galli.

[paper oriole]

Thats something ive had in mind too, i also wish it could have gotten mimicry

[urban flax]

Well playables aren't limited to one ability, and abilities aren't limited to one playable either. I'm not much a fan of Ovi mimicry, but I wouldn't mind it.

[gaunt canopy]

It would be interesting if it could dodge similar but not exactly like dryos ability

[urban flax]

Crouch-print better

btw I jut got an idea for another Ovi ability, imma put it in general feedback

[odd sedge]

May I add not leaving footsprints when walking normally from swishing away its tracks with its feathers to the cluster to make Ovi a little thief-ninja-whatever that strikes and runs off with your eggs

[urban flax]

Having both would be too much, it would make Ovi just invisible to scent

[odd sedge]

Yeah but at the same time Ovi has not much else going for it defense and attack wise

And it sticks out amgonst the green foliage

[urban flax]

It doesn't need to
Being able to not make any noise nor leave footprints when sprinting is already a very strong ability in my opinion

[odd sedge]

No no not when sprinting. When just trotting

[urban flax]

I'm talking about my own ida, the crouch-sprinting one

If Ovi doesn't leave footprints when sprinting nor when trotting, might as well make it unscentable

[odd sedge]

I wouldn't even hate that tbh

[paper oriole]

Dam i was on this all the way back last year

[odd sedge]

I think I also did a suggestion in that direction a while back xD

[paper oriole]

I don’t see any real issue with him being a master of stealth, its better than the nothing that we know of so far

[urban flax]

We are but One Mind

[paper oriole]

I personally wish he could still get mimicry, but not keeping my hopes up

[odd sedge]

I wouldn't hate non-scent Ovi, I always kinda imagined Ovis sneaking around in the treeline before making a coordinated bail for some eggs with the slim stamina of a cheetah

[paper oriole]

There was also a convo i had way back about ovi maybe being able to kick off of surfaces to sort of parkour its way out of situations and also climb some obstacles using that method

Without being a master of stealth, having low stam would make ovi pure fodder with this current tracking system

He doesnt look good for an arboreal

[odd sedge]

True that

[paper oriole]

Which is just another reason why he should be able to bypass the tracking system tbh, his exposing colors are a disadvantage enough. Though the skin system should at least help with that

[odd sedge]

Again, I don't really hate crouch-sprint non-track for the egg-thief

Its gotta be unique somehow

Else Galli will be a better Ovi

Too time costy perhaps

[paper oriole]

Wh-

What

…NO!!!!¡!

[odd sedge]

[urban flax]

That doesn't make much sense

[odd sedge]

That's why non-scent is kinda fine for Ovi

[urban flax]

Not if it gets any of the abilities we've been suggesting

[odd sedge]

I think so

[urban flax]

Being completely immune to scent is OP, ngl

[odd sedge]

It literally cannot hunt anything but babies

[urban flax]

Still OP
That's also the reason why ptera doesn't have infinite stam when flying
You don't need to be able to kill thing to be an unbalanced playable

That'd be useful for something that cannot crouch

[odd sedge]

Yeah but unlike ptera with unfite stam, Ovi with non scent would still be forced to interact with other players

[paper oriole]

Maybe ovi's ability is chronic constipation

[odd sedge]

Everything is beating Troodon in concept arts

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[urban flax]

That way it cannot be tracked via poop

[clever lagoon]

I don't know why but there is a fps drop here. While it is getting 100 fps, it drops to 60 in an instant.

[gusty patrol]

even drops to 20/10 for me, sucks to be a ptera there lol

[burnt bone]

I’d assume it’s something like at oasis where you constantly load and unload background trees. But I could be completely wrong

[gusty patrol]

yeee probably

[ashen wasp]

i could see Minmi's little hidey holes filling up with water when it rains to allow for this

oh, also i like the idea of multiple carry slots for Ovi as far as very small animals and eggs go, and i would like to expand that idea for Sucho as well, given its gular pouch

on the subject of holes filling with water, i really want burrows flooding to be a thing

doesnt have to be a fluid dynamics thing, just "if an entrance to a burrow is under open sky and it starts raining, the burrow will begin to slowly fill with water from the bottom-up"

[glad briar]

Why are so many people against herbivores getting debuffs for being to close to dead bodies for a period of time

[urban flax]

Because it's stupid and makes herbi experience even more unenjoyable than it already is

[signal beacon]

Because it's super abuseable

Imagine defending your nest from an allo pair as a para and now- oh well heres a punishment for not folding over and dieing

Carnivores could just drag bodies over to nesting spots or food spots and basically deny any herbi from going there

[glad briar]

@signal beacon I see ur point but on the other hand pretend u are a carno hunting tenos and u kill one cool now there is a anky guarding the body because he is salty

[urban flax]

Or worse
A stego herd is casually resting in the plains
A single utah comes, tries to nab one and dies
Now the entire herd is forced to run away because of the body

Not mentioning the ridiculous amount of ways to abuse such a system to troll other people...

[signal beacon]

1. Wtf is an anky doing anywhere near a teno or carno's habitat.

2. Once herbivore gameplay is actually interesting, people will have more to do than sit on corpses

[glad briar]

In my opinion this mechanic shouldn't need to exist but u have people who body guard and u rlly can't do anything about it

[signal beacon]

Most people body guard because herbivores are all slower than carnivores. That means that they have to wait for fights to come to you. And because fighting is the only thing to do rn, people will try to force carnivores to fight them

[glad briar]

Ye I see that now thx for a different perspective @signal beacon

[tidal rose]

Wtf is with all the dumb suggestions for corpse vicinity debuffs lol

[tight oxide]

At this point just delete herbivores

[mint girder]

Skill issue

Except pachy

[hybrid tiger]

Corse guarding isn’t fun to deal with

[fierce lintel]

I think it would be difficult to put a realistic debuff around corpses

[burnt bone]

Here’s an idea to deal with corpse guarders, just leave for a bit. The herbie will get bored/hungry and leave relatively quickly. Then just come back and eat. This won’t work all the time, but can help if you don’t hunt at 0 hunger.

[urban flax]

That is honestly the best solution

If corpse guarding was to be fixed, I would simply increase carnivore hunger times so herbis always starve faster than them

[tame jetty]

@copper willow and how will this not only be another way for the inhabitants to kill the pteras clean their wounds and stuff...

[copper willow]

Stegos, for example, can benefit from this. Better healing?

[paper oriole]

Mmm i wake up to read not one, but THREE cringe herbivore vicinity debuff suggestions

[mighty tendon]

@copper willow i really love the idea! but this would be great for a very small species of pterosaurs instead like anurognathus <3

[copper willow]

Good point! Was just a thought from my side <3

[finite pagoda]

@jovial wharf directions are a thing on the compass when you sniff. The high point spike is north, the one pointing downwards is south, and the side are east and west

[tight oxide]

Pov grazing

[urban flax]

Good thing grazing doesn't give you diets

[hoary dawn]

the current compass already has very obvious north and south markings

[tight oxide]

They should make grazing remove the grass ngl

[urban flax]

That too

[tight oxide]

Would even remove some lag

[urban flax]

Uh... depends on how it's calculated

[tight oxide]

Stego the lag removers ayo

[urban flax]

Less graphic weight ? Sure
But more calculations on the server's end

[tight oxide]

I mean when i load in

I get high fps before loading grass

[urban flax]

Yes grass is heavy on graphics
But having grass being able to deplete and regrow may require a lot of data on the server's end

[tight oxide]

True

[urban flax]

Also, half-grown grass still requires a model and textures, so it's still taxing on graphics.

[tight oxide]

Grass removal could tie in with weather one day

[urban flax]

It definitely could, one day

[tight oxide]

But at this point ngl i wish grass was more optimized

It seems to be the source of lag along with rivers

That or the dino models cause a bunch of lag

[urban flax]

From what I've seen, what causes the most fps issues are interactive water and bodies
What's the common point between these two ? They use physics

Also you're right with dino models, since now they also use physics for their tails

[tight oxide]

Might i add looks weightless

Look at utah tail and i wonder if theres bones in it

[paper oriole]

I dont want letters on my compass thats ugly

Its already easy to read

[urban flax]

Imo East and West could be made clearer
Because rn they're just a bunch of moving lines

Nand I often find myself going northeast or southeast instead of east

[paper oriole]

East is right of the up arrow and weat is left of the up arrow its pretty easy i think

Maybe the line could thicken at those spots to make it more obvious ig

[urban flax]

Yes I know that

But that's not precise at all

[paper oriole]

I've had no trouble making pretty precise pathing with it

[urban flax]

Like having a dot where east and west are would be enough

[paper oriole]

A dot would be fine yeah wouldnt be ui intrusive

[ashen wasp]

'far as parasite removal goes ive always liked the idea of Oxpecker Oro

[devout sun]

Ping me here if anyone has anything that might be wrong in my suggestion like bad information about the current balancing or fps or something I mentioned that I may have just gotten wrong. I want to make that suggestion reflect the opinion of everyone else as much as possible.

[zealous violet]

Just to clarify, the suggestion with a pic of a buffalo and some birds- the birds arnt cleaning the wounds, they are actually drinking the buffalo's blood.

[uneven mist]

@fresh plank No eta on tribals

[left nacelle]

Well they do also eat ticks and other parasites

[tight oxide]

I think it should be brought back as an option ngl

Bringing it back would be helpful for newer players any how

[zealous violet]

The devs arnt really into giving players 'options' tho

[tight oxide]

They were when they let you turn off head turning for you only...

[zealous violet]

The one time.

[tight oxide]

And how does adding a labled compass ruin anything

Just make it optional so pros who want less clutter are happy ez

[zealous violet]

I personally like the labeled compass but thats because I suck at directions

[tight oxide]

Same ngl

[zealous violet]

But im with you on that too, it should be an option

[paper oriole]

if its optional thats fine but i just hate the look of it when the compass is alreasy set up in an easy to read way

a setting switch for labels on ui that not everyone would have to look at would be fine

[zealous violet]

Easy for you, yeah. Not for me XD
options, people, options!

[tight oxide]

Just remember they wanna make the isle appeal to noobs and pros so...

The smallest things can help :D

[left nacelle]

"Options" Is kinda the point of what the diets system is going to be. You can eat different diets that will support your playstyle iirc

[paper oriole]

doesnt the shant concept already feature the hadrosaur hoofnail

[left nacelle]

@eternal owl ☝️

[eternal owl]

I said hadrosaurs in general. Para doesn't have it, and I don't think they thought of remodelling para yet

[paper oriole]

true

[eternal owl]

also, why is para so small in this game? I know there's some species that big but like

para was one of the biggest hadrosaurs

[paper oriole]

maybe they want small para so it has to run for its life against an allo

[eternal owl]

oh yeah carnivore bias 😦

I just really want 13 metre long para in a game

[paper oriole]

i really hope they dont go the "haha hadrosaur run and die" bs

like yeah hadros should be flight animals but they arent helpless

[eternal owl]

I mean shant was a beast in legacy already so

and tbf a good para player could take on an allo or two

[manic flint]

When they first added para I think super giant para wasn't discovered or common knowledge

[paper oriole]

para was heavily disadvantaged in legacy vs the roster in general though

[manic flint]

Like, JP and Ark also have small para

[paper oriole]

maia was the best and honestly it could still function the same in evrima easy if they removed its oppressive offensive capabilities

[limber hull]

maia was fucking silly lmao

[eternal owl]

JP is old , and ARK is ARK

[paper oriole]

bruh i loved maia

speedcow

[barren zephyr]

Maia is neat.

[eternal owl]

Maia was basically a train

[manic flint]

True, but ark was also 2015
And they've changed animal sizes before I'd JP

[paper oriole]

it was a bit wack because it could just chase people and headbutt them but that was its only real issue

[manic flint]

Maia was faster than Utah, Essentially immune to bleed, fast to grow and just really cool

Imagine Maia in Evrima

[eternal owl]

It's....... ARK there's like one accurately sized creature and thats iguanodon.

[manic flint]

Incorrect, iguanodon is actually huge

Iguanodon is small in Ark

[eternal owl]

fuck I was thinking of trike

[manic flint]

Also true it's Ark

[eternal owl]

Trike is still smallish tho

[paper oriole]

ark iggy also looks pretty lightly built in shape

[manic flint]

Trike is also undersized

[eternal owl]

Nah trike was pretty close

[manic flint]

Only accurate size animal is like Bronto

[eternal owl]

nuh uh you forgot the dodo

I mean, ARK literally interpreted hyaenodon as a literal hyena

[manic flint]

Either way I think huge para was a more recent discovery

[left nacelle]

I'd personally like it if Para could take on anything allo sized and smaller

So like an even 50/50 with allo

[manic flint]

I would say para should be super defensive
And should be able to fight off 1 or 2 allos

[eternal owl]

Actually I think the big species are sorta old? I think the specimens are between like 20-30 years old unless I'm thinking of something else?

[manic flint]

Para is big even in this game, no way 1 allo should be 50/50

[eternal owl]

The Isle's version of Parasaurolophus cyrtocristatus when

Tbh it'd be like the same size as shant

[manic flint]

Para is ~2.5 times larger than allo, if 1 allo can take it on i call bs

[eternal owl]

it's ✨ carnivore bias ✨

[manic flint]

but then we have 2 shants... i say just keep it as is for niche preservation

so at least there is some size difference

[eternal owl]

Yeah I was about to say that but I wanted to make "haha funny devs have bias for carnivore" joke

[manic flint]

ye

[eternal owl]

uh oh someone just suggested a headbutt for cerato 😦

[manic flint]

Here is the roster we get, not the most balanced thing

[left nacelle]

I just think that Para should be tanky but have low attack power, Maia should be kind of a glass cannon that has surprisingly strong attack power for its size and shant should just be strong overall

But that's just me

[eternal owl]

look at magy. if they added it a goddamn pachy would be able to take it on 1v1

[manic flint]

imo alberto is the largest thing para should be dealing with

[warm nexus]

I thought that sucho was also in the inhabitant list

[manic flint]

duchi?

[warm nexus]

My freaking autocorrector

[manic flint]

oh sucho, my beloved got removed after the rework

[left nacelle]

That pic isn't the entire roster we're getting

[manic flint]

its all the inhabitants

[left nacelle]

Right, but it's not all the animals that'll be in the game I mean

[eternal owl]

I feel like you would want to make para much better in a herd. Like great attacks that just have a lot of end lag or something and bad turn speed

[manic flint]

heres those

bruh why is it so small

[left nacelle]

Jesus that's a lot of animals lol

[manic flint]

gimme a sec

[eternal owl]

eeewwww rhino hump megalania

[warm nexus]

Yeah but as far as I know the inhabitants are the creatures that they want to add first

[manic flint]

56 ish

[left nacelle]

Yeah those are the priorities iirc

[eternal owl]

😦 no rauisuchus

[left nacelle]

I just got the terminology mixed up

[eternal owl]

magyarosaurus but no rauisuchus 😭

[warm nexus]

I feel that they should prioritise sucho or bary

[icy lion]

Raui is there

[left nacelle]

Maybe they will once a few more animals are in

[icy lion]

But I think Kissen described it as a "maybe"

[eternal owl]

I really hope they don't stick with the megalania design that's in the concept art

That megalania is ✨ horrible ✨

[left nacelle]

I don't really mind it tbh

[eternal owl]

It looks like..... just a big komodo 😦

[left nacelle]

I was thinking the exact opposite actually lol. I was thinking "At least it doesn't look like just a big komono"

[eternal owl]

Look, it's got the thick short legs, and the really bulky frame

it's just a komodo on steroids

it should be like............... really lightly built if you want it to be a megalania

[manic flint]

I hope it works this time

nope

[left nacelle]

Isn't that kinda what it was irl tho? That's what every depiction of it I've seen has been. Except ARK's, but ARK's is gross looking imo

[left nacelle]

Maybe you need to up the resolution?

[eternal owl]

Nope. It was really big, yeah, but pretty lightly built. Like a timor monitor or some tree climbing thing, not a really bulky, rhino-humped turd

[manic flint]

its better than before

eh good enough

[eternal owl]

ugh that spino too

[manic flint]

iirc megalania can only climb trees as a juvie

just like komodos nowadays

[eternal owl]

Ik, but the frame and build of a megalania was still really lithe compared to a komodo

[left nacelle]

If you look at the angle of the top image, it doesn't look that bulky imo

[eternal owl]

are you kidding? its got such a fat tail and those legs

also it's face is genuinely disgusting

[paper oriole]

i hate its gape

[left nacelle]

Megalania did have a pretty odd looking jaw tho

I do think the art has a bit too much of an underbite tho

[eternal owl]

nah its that gap at the base of the mouth

[left nacelle]

Ah yeah the way the jaw just kinda looks like it's moved downwards rather than hinging at the base? Yeah that is a bit odd

[eternal owl]

again, it should just be kinda long and thin, like this boy

[paper oriole]

i think they were trying to give it a smaug grin lol

[eternal owl]

holy shit you're right

[left nacelle]

@lusty seal When Ptera was first added it had "Carcasses" on its diet, even tho those don't exist yet. So I'd be surprised if it can't eat rotten meat in the future when that's a thing

[lusty seal]

Oh epic! Maybe that will be a thing in the gore update then

[left nacelle]

I hope so. i think scavenging would be a lot of fun and add more risk to Ptera's gameplay

[lusty seal]

Ptera needs to engage with the rest of the roster just in general

[left nacelle]

True, hence the suggestion I made recently about adding eggs to its diet once nesting is in

[stark dust]

ribs are planned for evrima right?

[stark dust]

when the devs tried too make a prehistoric komodo dragon more like a dragon but have gone too far and messed up big time

[tight oxide]

remove the weird hump on neck

make megalania look more slick instead of hulk when in reality its prob gonna die to a utah in face tank

[worthy plover]

I think it would be cool if pteras and hypsis were able to pick parasites off dinos as a diet food. The dinos would have a parasite meter, when that meter is full they can be cleaned. They don't get a debuff if the meter is full, but if they get cleaned by either hypsi or pteras, then they get a temporary small boost to health regen. For this to work however, ptera and hypsi would have to be able to somehow kind of climb on dinos. If a ptera lands to eat parasites, it's a sitting duck, but it adds a risk factor. I have more examples here https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/954752726493958144

@raven ether I really liked pocket pool too, but it was too much of a safe haven for crocs and pteras. Plus a lot of players on servers would all flock there, which could cause performance problems and leave other map locations in the dust. I think thats one reason that oasis was scrapped. It was too much of a hot spot

[left nacelle]

It definitely wouldn't be able to stand up to deinos lol. I think Spino is meant to be the only thing that can combat deino in water. And i think it should stay that way. An alligator should be at the top or near the top of the food chain

[limber hull]

Deino would not even flinch at a megalania lmao

One ton vs 8 tons

Deino can drag and drown or just bite it to death easily

[tight oxide]

pov megalania gets 2 shotted by deino

why would we need a land lizard that is on par with deino though?

[limber hull]

I don’t think making megalania exclusively a type-H fixes any balance issues lmao

[left nacelle]

Megalania should be an egg and juvy eater that can invade burrows imo. And maybe taking on larger prey in groups

[tight oxide]

but fr imagine a lizard that can go 1 on 1 with a full grown deino and can climb as a juvie and prob swim decently

and to top it all off venom

sounds too broken for something big as megalainia lol

[limber hull]

Exactly lmao

I literally have no idea what you are saying right now

[tight oxide]

wait for spino?

[left nacelle]

They're supposed to eat eachother tho, it's part of their diet. Plus we'll be getting a lot of aquatic animals in the future. Beipi is coming soon and eventually we'll get Bary, Sucho, Austro, Cherius, and Spino. And most of those will likely be before meglania

[tight oxide]

spino would prob make a good meal out of deino ngl

well our spino anyways

[limber hull]

Eh, still despise the idea of spino being a deino killer lmao

[left nacelle]

Yeah I think spino will be the only thing that can take on a deino in the water

[limber hull]

What

[left nacelle]

[tight oxide]

i dont like it but with our undersized deino and spino being godzilla theres no stopping it if deino stays like this lol

[left nacelle]

Not for quite a while. Apexes will likely be among the last animals added

[tight oxide]

apexes will prob be added after all mechanics are in so uh we are in for a huge wait just for some epic giga fun

[left nacelle]

I just want my Beipi and I'm happy

[tight oxide]

tbh when cera, megalania, climbing utah, irl utah, herrera, giga, spino or bary come

im maining them

[left nacelle]

I'm probably gonna be mainly playing Ptera, Quetz, Ovi, and Beipi. But that could change as we get more details about other animals

[tight oxide]

when i look at megalania i can see a utah soloing it lmao

though venom may be a great counter to venom if it eats at stam....

[gaunt canopy]

Interesting thing about dieno they have slightly more biteforce than a Rex

[tight oxide]

spino with trample you see...

[gaunt canopy]

I saw people talking about it in paleo chat a few years ago and on google National Geographic

[tight oxide]

2012...

[heady harbor]

So technically
They could be able to beat the crap out of a stego?

[tight oxide]

but so far what i read it says deino might of bit harder

[heady harbor]

Meaning more damage to bite
And more bleed I bet

[paper oriole]

IRL bite takes back stage to balance in the isle

Rex will likely have the higher raw damage of the two in the isle, because of its playstyle

[gaunt canopy]

Why it has twice rex nutins

[gaunt canopy]

Dieno would easily kill a rex

[paper oriole]

What

[paper oriole]

This is common knowledge

But it doesn’t reflect an animal's role in the isle

[gaunt canopy]

I am confused of what your point science says it does more but yet you say it doesn’t matter???????????????????

[paper oriole]

Sir are you doing a little trolling

[gaunt canopy]

No I’m asking you if you are trolling me

[paper oriole]

But i am asking you if you are trolling me

[gaunt canopy]

No I’m not trolling

[paper oriole]

No cap?

[worthy plover]

I hereby judge both of you guilty of trollage. But what I think BRENDAN is trying to say is that in game deino should have larger bite force than rex, even if it doesn't affect the animals role in the game. I am lazy so I didn't read to far up, my mistake if im missing something

[paper oriole]

I was sure he was saying that as well, if i was under the assumption that he isnt trolling, then i'd tell him how awful this would be for game balance because if deinos did more damage than rex they would have no real reason to not just play on land where they are near untouchable with that level of attack power

[worthy plover]

true, game balance takes precedence over realism if realism ruins the game

[tight oxide]

make deino be forced to bask if it goes on land simple

but yea i can see how that might turn deino into the true godzilla

[paper oriole]

His current grab system works well enough. It probably wouldn’t hurt to also give him some fracture though as a less busted way to represent his high bite force

[worthy plover]

Also im pretty sure that the rule of cool acts in mysterious and wonderous ways, one of which is that trex is king

[tight oxide]

just gib deino a tug of war mechanic for bigger things that are past 4 tons

[gaunt canopy]

Eather way they need more biteforce it is very resicoulis that it usually takes 3 or more dienos just to take out one stegosaurus

[paper oriole]

Then dont hunt stego

[tight oxide]

just give deino tug of war mechanic?

[gaunt canopy]

It’s on there diet

[paper oriole]

Stegos harassing deinos is an issue but deino doesnt need to hunt apex level land animals

[tight oxide]

tug of war mechanic doe...

[worthy plover]

Oh i think i saw in general feed back or balance feed back that if a dino weighs much more than the deino. The deino could grab the other dinosaur and sort of play tug of war. Whoever runs out of stam trying to pull into the water or get away loses the tug of war

[paper oriole]

Yeah and hypsi is on ptera diet and that rarely happens lol

Tug of war could work, especially since the devs seemed to have it planned at some point

[worthy plover]

Wait hypsi is on ptera diet

[paper oriole]

Last time i checked it is

[worthy plover]

[paper oriole]

Lets put the flighty forest animal on pteranodon diet

[tight oxide]

if they add a proper tug of war i kinda also wanna see lunge when you run out of stam give you a good stagger so the lucky victim has time to swim away and not be bit down

[worthy plover]

yeah

[gaunt canopy]

That’s only because a lot of people don’t play hypsi

[tight oxide]

vertical lunge momento

[paper oriole]

That is only one of the reasons

[tight oxide]

give hypsi climbing and problem solved

[paper oriole]

Deino doesnt need to hunt stegos, he should just take what ever is convenient. Honestly, deino shouldnt even have a diet

[worthy plover]

I would love vertical lunge to get pteras that are flying above the water harassing me. Vertical lunge is realistic too so it wouldn't be wrong to put it in game

[tight oxide]

also what happened to hypsi man... I used to see so many just chilling on branches or running around

i have yet to find a branch you can land on too

[worthy plover]

I haven't played it in a while, but didn't they nerf it

don't know why they would

[paper oriole]

Imagine how satisfying it would be to successfully vert lunge a raptor jumping over the water

[worthy plover]

[tight oxide]

diet system rn would be HORRIBLE in a finished roster
Think about it like this. When the what? 57 playables all are in, how would you expect a utah to hunt a very tiny portion of the roster and if you say ai that still wouldnt be fun since ai are kinda dumb...

[tight oxide]

you reached mui at that point bruv

[paper oriole]

I hope diets get reworked to meat and tissue types when gore comes so this shit aint a thing anymore too

[gaunt canopy]

That would amazing

[paper oriole]

Herbi diets are trash too but that’s another story

[worthy plover]

that's true actually, now that i think about it, I think they would either add more animals to the diet portions of dinos, or have multiple maps that have select dinos that can play on it

[tight oxide]

if not that then make it the dinosaurs families or something...
Like eat ceratopsians and hadrosaurs and maybe some spinosaurids

[paper oriole]

Deino should be the pinnacle of opportunistic, receiving no buffs or nerfs with diet as he has no preference

[worthy plover]

yeah

[tight oxide]

not the specific species of said family

remove health lock as a whole ayo?

[paper oriole]

Or lean meat, dense muscle, fatty meat, skeletal tissue, organ meat. Stuff like this could help push dinos in to niches without being too specific

[worthy plover]

health lock?

[tight oxide]

remove health lock or make the scars more noticeable and not look like wounds

[paper oriole]

Since flightier animals would tend to have lean meat, brawlers muscular meat, and defensives fatty meat for the most part

[tight oxide]

thats why i said if not that by some weird reason theres always an option to make diets more manageable

than they are now

[paper oriole]

Diets really shoulda waited for gore

[wooden mica]

👆

[worthy plover]

imma leave, should i play the isle or starwars

[tight oxide]

"Diets require gore in order to work with carnivores"
-Some dev a while back

[paper oriole]

You will not survive the isle

[worthy plover]

lol isle it is

[paper oriole]

[worthy plover]

cya guys

[paper oriole]

Peace

[tight oxide]

traitor I banish you to 5 hours of path of titans and 2 hours of beast of bermuda

[worthy plover]

Dear god, anything but that. Mercy milord

[tight oxide]

fine... I will let you off easy by making you have to main sub giga

[gaunt canopy]

One of them you have a increased chance of loosing your character the one you want is safe log

[wooden mica]

that didnt really tell them much LOL,
safe log when you sleep to log out means your character despawns from the world at the end of the count down of 60s, direct logout is fast but leaves your dino idle in the world for if im not wrong, about 5 minutes, in which people can find you and decide to yeet you to death.

[ember egret]

yo, everytime i try to load evrima it wont let me past the little greeting bs message "hello islanders" or "greetings" or whatever... i try to click the button to skip it and it wont let me. i deleted saved folder. re verified and uninstalled... but no fix

[hybrid tiger]

#🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

[fierce lintel]

The southeast dam will prob make more sense when that area of the map is added

[barren zephyr]

@zealous violet in any case, the footprint scenting should be so bad that you cant follow them, dinos should leave footprints for herbis like every ten minutes, also footprints shouldn't tell herbis the direction the animla went like it does for carnivores

[barren zephyr]

Or better, instead of footprints make like a scent, make some particles dinos leave once in a while, that way herbivores wont know where the dino went, it will just know it was there, cause that is the only thing you should knowwen as a herbivore that a dino was there, but not where it went

[bleak bison]

@light meadow I’m sorry but that idea is awful

[maiden anvil]

I want to know why I got six ❌ on my suggestion. I’m not angry at all about it. Just curious on what makes it a bad idea @sick pond

[warm flame]

how long does deino's oxygen even last atm?

[signal beacon]

5 minutes

[warm flame]

yeah I think that's fine, lemme guess, it takes 5 minutes to regen though too?

[signal beacon]

I think so

I think its however long you were underwater you had to spend that long getting air back

So for deino you could cut that time in half

[warm flame]

I think like deino's oxygen regen being a minute-2 minutes would be good

[devout sun]

Having a surefire way of negating deino activity (in the way of just waiting 5 minutes) is not good. It's incapable of chasing something on to land, so it's only real way of eating is by ambushing something. If everyone is just able to wait a moment to push them to the surface, it ruins their trap. That 5 minutes is also assuming it slipped into the water the moment it saw you, and wasn't already waiting in ambush. Waiting for extended periods of time is what it is supposed to do is it not?

To account for laying in ambush waiting for prey to take a sip, 5 minutes really just isn't enough. The only way to solve this problem is to increase the total time you can stay underwater.

Plus there are other strategies to avoid them that are based on skill and timing rather than such a rigid way of doing it. This includes baiting a lunge even if you don't know a drink is there, or a small body or something near the water to bait it out as a carnivore.

Increasing the amount of time deino stay underwater is a great way to better enforce the intended gameplay for deino as well as skillful play and risk-weighing from other dinosaurs.

[wicked osprey]

All who x my suggestion are carno mains 🤡

[dry phoenix]

nope im deino main)

[wicked osprey]

Even worse

[outer condor]

💪 💪 💪

[dry phoenix]

hhahhaha

[barren zephyr]

Absolutely no one like suggestions agaisnt their main

[barren zephyr]

Someone answered both like you were serious

[wicked osprey]

Imagine maining a dino

[dry phoenix]

just dont think that we need to remove carno cuz it isnt same with cera

and carno not op right now

so idk why should we remove it from the game

[wicked osprey]

Give carno 500 n bite force, must be able to 1v1 a stego

[dry phoenix]

lol what

[outer condor]

Yes I agree so much my fellow carno main

[wicked osprey]

Y e s

Give carno no stam decay, hes a sprinter, how can he sprint when he has no stamina?

[outer condor]

I think carno should have better turn too

[dry phoenix]

he cant run without stam

[paper oriole]

Why doesnt carno deal full fracture with its charge? Its basically a battering ram, it should apply full fracture and also heavy bleed because of its sharp horns

Ee dont compare my main badass apex carno rex to a gross grass eater

[outer condor]

Yea

[urban flax]

A carno bite should oneshot stego to the head, cuz common, it's entire head fits inside carno's jaws ! realistically it would instantly die

[barren zephyr]

Why carno shouldn't be able to turn fast while charging but pachy should while ramming?

[paper oriole]

Carno charge should break stego in HALF

[paper oriole]

Good point, a stupid leaf sucker should be able to do something that carno can't

No an adult it should rip right through stegos weak vegan ribs

[outer condor]

^

Carno mains rise up

[barren zephyr]

Please, we need a patch to fix teno players skill issue

[paper oriole]

Its also stupid af that when i spam broadcast the herbis dont lose control and run in circles out of fear of my apex beast

[barren zephyr]

Hell

[paper oriole]

Tenonto shouldnt even be able to attack youre lucky you are even allowed to try

Realistically, all herbivores only run and die even though theyre slow

Its insane that tenonto CAN even breathe in the presence of mighty carno whose unmatched glory alone may steal your breath away

[barren zephyr]

Being serious, first thing they shoukd do is revert carno turn buff and make diet for carnivores hard like herbivores, then after aome weeks we can see if other changes are needed

[paper oriole]

I hope gore at least fixes the stupid free diet for carni growth

[barren zephyr]

Idk, what I know is only little changes each time are good, or the same as with this patch happens

You cant buff something and at the same time nerf the prey, is like a double buff

[paper oriole]

I shouldnt be able to eat a sea turtle and afk on the beach while watching conspiracy theorists on youtube for an hour and get full diet points, then do it again when im almost 50% so by the time i leave the beach il almost full adult

I dont even have to leave for water because theres a puddle there

And lots of bushes to afk

The removal of oasis was a big fix, imo they should have left the patch with the map changes first and then made direct balance changes afterwards

[barren zephyr]

I dont do that at all👀

[paper oriole]

Being brave and not sitting in a bush I see

[barren zephyr]

They cant see me either way

[paper oriole]

True

Sometimes i run in to pteras but ya know, ez kills

[barren zephyr]

That is close to the rock arch in west beach

Literaly there acttually

[paper oriole]

West beach is the evrima version of legacy's hidden pools where all the apexes afk grew lol

[barren zephyr]

Also there is a cave where I hide my carno but that one I wont show

[paper oriole]

I may have been to that cave as pt

I spent a ton of my pt time exploring that area, cant wait to nest there

[barren zephyr]

Never show it, I will grow all semiaquatics there

[paper oriole]

Make my stupid pigeon nest on a rock

Planning ahead, good good

[barren zephyr]

Yes

And I will even grow the apexes there, at night when no one is playing even if it takes a whole week

[paper oriole]

Reminds me of that little cave on thenyaw by the ocean waterfall where I used to nest except it wasnt as conveniently close to water

[barren zephyr]

Feeding on turtles

Idk, I never played thenyaw

@crystal jackal it takes less than an hour, and I do it everytime I play with the stego I have

[sick dirge]

@normal parcel that would probably look nice for apexes (if the saliva is kept to a level that isn’t blatantly disgusting) but for creatures with shorter calls I think saliva should be forgone

[paper oriole]

Ugh it just makes me think of all the borderline fetish art i see with buckets of drool just because something uses its mouth for literally anything

[normal parcel]

lol

or like when something big roars u can see its breath kinda like when u breath in cold yk

it might sound weird but idk it gives it a cooler vibe

[paper oriole]

That would just look cartoonish imo

[normal parcel]

how lmfao

[tight oxide]

Legacy giga broadcast had some effect to it so i mean...

[paper oriole]

It had a little yeah

It wasnt drooling like a rabid animal “a lot of saliva”

It did look weird anyway though because there were drip affects that just disappeared cartoonishly

[tight oxide]

For me it looked cool tbh

And its better than no effects at all

[warm flame]

I remember in Velo's old 3 call it'd spit a bunch

[paper oriole]

Theres some affect spatter and then theres the elmers glue silly string roars and those are just nasty

[normal parcel]

how is drool nasty tf

or maybe have a option in the settings to allow drooling or not

[jagged jewel]

because in a tropical environment you wouldnt have the breath effect you would in a cold environment

and because animals don’t drool by making noise

[paper oriole]

Only things i can really see notable amounts of drool maybe making sense on are the venomous animals, because komodos are always a mess with the venomous saliva they’re secreting

[jagged jewel]

but they actively require their saliva to sustain themselves without resorting to scavenging

unlike apexes

[paper oriole]

Yeah you dont really see birds and most nonvenomous reptiles salivating like rabid animals

[jagged jewel]

exactly

i just feel like its cartoonish and weird

[paper oriole]

Just makes me think of the awful dino fetish art that pops up on my deviantart recommended gallery after i was looking at normal paleo art lol

[jagged jewel]

the what now?

[heady harbor]

There’s fetishes for everything
I’m not surprised there’s a fetish for Dino saliva

[paper oriole]

That site has scarred me for life

[left nacelle]

@clever thorn What would be the point of deino resting at the surface? It can already sit on the surface to get air, so if you allow it to gain stam while resting on the surface too, then it would never need to go to land. Which isn't good

[clever thorn]

To be more hidden when getting air.Crocs nowdays do that all the time that is how they ambush and get air. It would be better so you dont show idk 5 meter of the massive Body to get some air

[lone mica]

@bold palm

[sick pond]

lol is that real

[paper oriole]

lmao

[karmic sequoia]

anyone else having trouble eating as a utah?

well just respawned and got the baby utah outside the map glitch

[paper oriole]

well youre definitely gonna have trouble eating now

[karmic sequoia]

yeah fml

and my biggest game problem a minute ago was being attacked by a boar while sitting

[zealous violet]

Why not direction? Like, if I look at a footprint and see that the toes are pointing left, I'll assume that whoever made the footprints went left.

[karmic sequoia]

Because it encourages herbivores to hunt carnivores

Kinda weird to encourage that

[zealous violet]

Its literally just giving herbies the same basic senses. Sight, scent, hearing.
Carnis should indeed have a better scenting over all but im not saying they should be able to scent them and track them. They should be able to see recent footprints. Like form an animal who walked by a minute or so ago. But nothing that they would be able to track with.

Carnis should be able to scent tracks for in-game miles. Herbies should be able to scent recent tracks from dinos in their same close area. Any attempt to track them would end in failure as the tracks would and should fade off and away after a couple in-game yards.

[paper oriole]

Herbivores standing in place sniffing to slowly reveal a redius of footprints is not viable for hunting, if you get hunted by somebody who has to stand in place to reveal an area of tracks then you deserve it lol