general-feedback-discussion

[tight oxide]

[barren zephyr]

Wtf? What servers do you play? Most people I find from my own species doesn't try to kill me

[wooden mica]

eu 1 and 2, but i digress

[barren zephyr]

Well I only played eu 3 and 4 since the patch

[urban flax]

@mint girder Why do you suggest that, and why do you post pictures that are completely unrelated to your suggestion ?

[signal beacon]

Ah yes allow utah to effectively insta kill things it pins. That cannibal utah didn't like you? Welp now even your friends cant save you cause you are already eaten

[mint girder]

The pictures show my suggestion in play

The eagle is eating that raccoon alive

[mint girder]

It would only work on smaller things

[signal beacon]

Probably because if he posted the actual eating he would've gotten sniped by a mod

[mint girder]

That too

[urban flax]

So what's the interest, gameplay-wise, in allowing utahs to eat things they have pinned alive ?
Since pinned things already take only a few seconds to die anyay

[mint girder]

Yes

Fun

[bright heath]

Sounds like a pretty cool concept but I don't think that'd be very applicable gameplay wise. It'd just mean that utahs would freely kill and eat things smaller than them and cause massive balance issues for anything with a lower weightclass than the utah.

Because from what you're suggesting, it sounds like the utah's pounce would do FAR more damage considering they're eating their prey alive and such

[urban flax]

How so ?

[bright heath]

I think its fine the way it is, their pounce is unique enough and basically spells doom for smaller critters anyway, they dont need to have an easier time doin it

[urban flax]

Also what would happen if a utah pins you, starts eating you alive and then releases you ? Do you spend the rest of your life with one missing limb ?

That doesn't sound very fun

[bright heath]

i dont think thats the issue haha

[mint girder]

You lose health the longer it eats you but the whole eating thing wouldn’t do detrimental damage unless you’re small

[urban flax]

It's one of the issues

[mint girder]

You’d be able to escape a in of course

[urban flax]

I still don't see what would be the point of such a mechanic for Utah

Also, even though it's more Miragaia's role to point that out, it's hella abusable for mixpackers

[bright heath]

tbh i dont undersatnd whats wrong with mixpackers, i just look at it like a super inefficient way to do anything cuz of all the mouths to feed

[urban flax]

Well with that mechanic you get one less mouth to feed since the utah can feed on its friends without killing them
There's not much wrong with mixpacking as long as there are no mechanic supporting it

(Broken balance could be counted as a mechanic supporting mixpacking)

[bright heath]

oh yea but i wasnt referring to the pouncing thing

i just see people always get upset about mixpacking and i assume that its because its immersion breaking, but its THEIR fault, its at their detriment

i wouldnt do it because i dont trust carnivores,

[urban flax]

I would consider mixpacking unbalanced in some cases, but not immersion-breaking

[bright heath]

im talkin about carnivore and herbivore mixpacking

herbivore mixpacking idc about they all eat plants

[urban flax]

Well I imagine a velo should have no problem hanging out with trikes, or a para herd drinking at a lake trusting the local spino to protect them from threats
Because it's beneficial to both parties
This is what I'd call "immersive" mixpacking
Of course, stegos teaming in VC with carnos to kill everything else on a server is something else

[bright heath]

oh yea thats kind of dumb,

but idk man id never trust a carnivore to "protect" my herd man

if i were that carnivore id just pretend to protect them to gain their trust if anything.

[urban flax]

You're right, you shouldn't trust anybody anyway
But if the carnivore can't harm you (like velo being to small to hurt trikes, or spino too slow to chase paras and not powerful enough to kill one before the others can react) then it's a stalemate and cooperation can occur

[bright heath]

ah yes well sure

I just loo kat it like "do whatever u can to survive and to perpetuate that survival"

[urban flax]

Same

[bright heath]

i follow the basic rules that seem to help me the most, 1, maintain social distancing so u cant get randomly cannibalized, 2, dont trust anyone especially another species, 3, dont cannibalize or otherwise attack things that would impede survival unless u have no other choice

i remember i had a pack of like 10 raptors, and it was before the change to how food worked, so everytime we killed something we all got like 5 or 10% hunger

we killed a pachy? we were like vultures, ate that thing down to the bone,

i remember we killed a sub adult stego and that also gave like 10% to everyone, it was so tragic

[urban flax]

I remember that once I was with a pack of raptors, we were chasing an adult deino across a river(was in update 2)
We saw a pack of carnos on the other side of the river, they 2-called, we 2-called back, we decided we would make a temporary alliance to kill that deino

[mint girder]

They’re annoying

[mint girder]

The pin wouldn’t do damage the eating would

Like this

[barren zephyr]

@devout sun with your idea no one would care about diet after 100%

[devout sun]

How come? You get all kinds of buffs for having a good diet..?

[mint girder]

Less incentive

[bright heath]

Isnt that the same thing? If they eat during the pin the damage applied will be enhanced lol

[mint girder]

Not sure

[devout sun]

Elaborate, what removes incentive? The decrease in diet meters decrease speed?

[mint girder]

If you don’t need the food that much then they’d just graze like half the time

[barren zephyr]

Except people only cares about growth boost, I mean, most complains about diet is because diet makes you grow faster

[mint girder]

Or eat non diet food

Buff is cool n all but idc that much

Not crossing the map for a small buff

[devout sun]

You can already do this

[barren zephyr]

If growth wasnt affected by diet everyone would be ok with diet or would just dont care

[mint girder]

You can’t because then growth would take forever

[devout sun]

I'm saying after you reach 100%, what's the difference between what it is now and what I am suggesting?

You can still just eat grass to survive without diets anyway, but with my suggestion you won't be sprinting across the island to keep your diets topped, you would just be walking. Eating grass to stay alive on the way over.

Like now but it might give time to hang out or just do anything but run towards food.

[barren zephyr]

Wow same thing that happens to carno, but when someone comoplains about that all herbi players dont like the suggestion

And carno needs it just to get food, we arent rven talking about nutrients

[devout sun]

Exactly the same thing that happens to carno. I was going to make a suggestion later touching upon carni diets. I rarely play herbis if you are assuming I am biased, I much prefer carnis.

I am talking about herbivores, and whether herbi or carni mains are biased is irrelevant to the situation

[barren zephyr]

I said most herbi players, that could be you or not

[devout sun]

If you have a counter point or any other issue with my suggestion please explain it, I would like to edit it to be a better suggestion.

[barren zephyr]

In this case not

[devout sun]

If you are going to X it because I am a biased herbi player or whatever okay then lol, just hoping for some way to improve my suggestion.

[barren zephyr]

Im ok with the diet metre thing, but I dont like the grass on herbi diet, it would be like carnivores getting 3 nutrients untill 50% and that is something that should change

[signal beacon]

People only care about growth boosts because juvies are glorified loading screens

[devout sun]

It do be this way :(

[signal beacon]

If juvies were fun it wouldn't be so infuriating to grow slower than others

[tight oxide]

Faster bubu stage slower sub stage ggez

[devout sun]

The grass on diet was my way to offset the issue of making babies run miles across the map just to continue their "glorified loading screens" faster.

I love that description lol

[barren zephyr]

And what would make juvies fun?

[devout sun]

And what besides adding grass to diets could help offset to huge amount of relative movement little babies have to do to get their diet? I'm happy to replace my reason with it.

Actually

[signal beacon]

Not making stats scale so linearly.

Juvi stego could be faster and more agile

Juvi teno could he able to dive and swim faster

Juvi pachy could exel on mountains

Juvi utah could be more arboreal

Juvi carno could... idk honestly

[tight oxide]

Juv carno having more stamina?

Like keeping chase for longer

[devout sun]

Perfect! Just say that juv carno is Utah food

Because I don't see what else it could be lol

[signal beacon]

Eh. Itd be boring when compared to other juvis

I mean juvi carno is quite well off though

[tight oxide]

I mean carno only meant to be speed soo...

Nothing else i can think of tbh

[barren zephyr]

It just would make it too easy to grow the weak state of the herbivores, that is why i dont like that

[tight oxide]

What if juvs kept these niches you said until 75%

Or 50%

[signal beacon]

...75% utah soaring through trees.

Nah I'd say more like right before sub adult

[devout sun]

I agree it would make it easier, too easy not really, because again it's just essentially making it so juvies only need 2 diets

[tight oxide]

To be fair 75% utah is like 300 kg range

But ye

[barren zephyr]

@devout sun but I really like the idea of decreasing nutrient drain, that way herbivores would still need to travel long distances but they wouldnt need to travel everytime they get the nutrient at the other point of the map

[devout sun]

Which will change not much anyway because those 2 plants will just end up on opposite sides of the map anyway

[barren zephyr]

They could stop for some time before starting the travel again

[devout sun]

This was the main part of the suggestion and honestly the most important, glad you agree :)

Maybe just editing the suggestion to only include that change would be a good idea

More people would resonate with something like that probably

[tight oxide]

Make herbivores have 2 nutrient plants be near each other and the last nutrient needing migration

[barren zephyr]

Yes, every time i think of that idea you had I like it more, is so simple I dont know how no one has think of it before

[barren zephyr]

No, people would get those nutrients untill 300% each and the go get the last nutrient, if you have that plus less nutrient drain speed, then after getting the 3rd they would not need to move

[devout sun]

Removed the paragraph about the juvie diets, currently I see no downsides in the suggestion balance wise and only an upside in enjoyment. Appreciate your input a lot :)

[barren zephyr]

Your welcome, I usually dont agree with herbivore diet suggestions cause all of them sound like, make perfect diet easy I don't want to move, but yours leaves it as difficult as it is now but making it less tedious

@devout sun but you should post the suggestion again after the cooldown, people that read the current one will see most people didnt like it and give it a ❌

[devout sun]

Perhaps I should

It has been destroyed

[barren zephyr]

@warm flame then everybody would choose the ones that are together

[warm flame]

then they'd have the default stats

[barren zephyr]

???

[warm flame]

"Effect 3.5: Eating all of the diets in your character menu will simply just make your stats default"

ofc I wouldn't make a suggestion that allows herbivores to combine all the diets and become overpowered monsters, that'd defeat the whole purpose of the suggestion

[devout sun]

Eye what issue exactly are you trying to solve?

I'm sort of confused what this suggestion would accomplish.

[barren zephyr]

It says that? Because is not true, perfect diet makes your dino better than when diet didnt existed

But your suggestion changes the diet completely

You even changed the what it boosts

[warm flame]

firstly giving a juvenile 9 diets to pick out of instead of just 3

secondly you can also choose your diet for specific benefits, meaning in a group different people can be useful in a group

and lastly a herbivore could choose their diet to not have to travel certain distances but gaining different effects so they aren't overpowered

[devout sun]

Also 15% attack boost

[barren zephyr]

Nvm, i just read it wrong

[devout sun]

Why?

[warm flame]

I just put a certain number, the % boost given can be changed by the developers

[devout sun]

I understand the suggestion but why? What is a current issue in the game and how does this solve it?

[warm flame]

the current issue is herbivores traveling across the entire map and the diets not being really interesting

[barren zephyr]

Herbivore must have to travel

[warm flame]

which is why each set of diet would still be a distance apart

you wouldn't be able to pick a set of diets that are all right next to eachother

[barren zephyr]

Then why you said the issue is traveling across the map? Your suggestion doesnt change that

[warm flame]

because they're traveling too far

[tight oxide]

ok when did i mention nerfed nutrient drain speed

also wouldnt the plants finish before you could go do 300%

[devout sun]

I think totally changing diets isn't the way to go, it's such a back step compared to a simpler and more direct solution (such as the one I suggested wink wink)

[barren zephyr]

Well not 300% but I always get like 200 playing even with friends

[tight oxide]

even then the journey to the 3rd nutrient would still be pretty darn hard

you might even have to cross some rivers

[barren zephyr]

But they would have to make just one travel, they would dont have to do a trip back

[warm flame]

you don't have to change them completely, the plants are already there, the code for effects is already there, you just have to give herbivores more diets to choose from and make the effects separated from eachother

[tight oxide]

you would eventually have to make a trip back

[barren zephyr]

If people cared about the boosts that are not growth boost yes, but no one cares

[tight oxide]

didnt devs sorta intend for 3rd nutrient to cause migration anyways?

1 and 2 would be closer but still need movement

[warm flame]

that's wrong
a lot of people care about having more damage, people don't just follow their diets because they want to grow faster, they follow them to keep their stats from being low

[tight oxide]

^

[warm flame]

which is why adults still follow their diets

[barren zephyr]

So whatvdoes that change then? Just getting 2 first nutrients easier, people will still complain that for the 3rd nutrient you have to travel a lot

[barren zephyr]

Well most people complains about diet cause they need it to grow fast, I didnt had the option to think otherwise

[tight oxide]

actually...

you can live just fine with 2 nutrients

3rd was always meant to be the hardest to get

due to how big in buffs you get

[barren zephyr]

Yes, just read the discussions I had with some people earlier, I tokd them they dont need the 3 nutrients but they insisted they do because otherwisr they would grow slower

[tight oxide]

3rd should be hardest to maintain and get and I assume when gore comes some sort of organ will be hardest to find in a carcass for a carnivore

[tight oxide]

that just sounds like them being too used to funni oasis giving all 3 nutrients for free

[barren zephyr]

Is what I said

[tight oxide]

ik

[barren zephyr]

Most people that i have discuss about this are the same

[tight oxide]

heres what im trying to get at though

[barren zephyr]

Is like people that thinks pachy is too weak because it was broken before

[tight oxide]

herbivores should have it somewhat easy to live normally but if they want the big buffs they have to work for it

carnivores will have to work for their nutrients when gore comes

so then it would be more fair between fractions

[barren zephyr]

Go to #885026544689492018 you will die of stupidity

[tight oxide]

ok

oh that

i already read lmao

[barren zephyr]

@tight oxide look, one of they guys I talked you about ia going to say somethig

[barren zephyr]

And what did you felt?

[tidal rose]

Lol i was one of the people he talked to earlier and not a single time did I or the other guy say it was better when all nutrients were together. We said that the current diet system is tedious and you travel long distances to avoid punishment rather than getting a reward

[tight oxide]

felt meh

people have their opinions i guess

[tight oxide]

question

[barren zephyr]

Of course, and opinion are wrong sometimes

[tight oxide]

do you think gore would help diets for carnivores?

[tight oxide]

cant be wrong but it can be heavily disagreed on

[barren zephyr]

Maybe when I know what it exactly does

[tidal rose]

Probably, i have a few concerns but we dont have enough info to really know. I think it will definitely help since carnivore diets are too easy

[barren zephyr]

It would do nothing if carnivores before 50% get the 3 nutrients from every organ

[tidal rose]

At least when they are young

Why?

Whenever i talk about diets i referwnce herbivore diets, not at any point have i discussed carni diets today

[warm flame]

yeah, if

[barren zephyr]

Everything is an if untill we know

[warm flame]

so far with update 4.5 the devs have been making good choices, let's hope they keep that up

[barren zephyr]

Why I feel like not everybody thinks that?

[wicked osprey]

Lmao

[stuck latch]

Allos need to be added to put presure on stegos, change my mind. I main a stego isnt a good reason.

[warm flame]

because there were also some problems that were ignored or made worse

[warm flame]

allo pack slaughtering a stego is what we need

[barren zephyr]

Then dont just say devs have make good choices

[warm flame]

I didn't say all choices were good, I said they made good choices

[barren zephyr]

Cause every patch they do thing wrong and right

[warm flame]

hopefully with all the feedback that's been coming in about 4.5 they'll fix teno

and pachy, and stego

[stuck latch]

The addition of allos would make the line up feel much more flushed in my opinion. Not to over powered for the line up, but strong enough to contest a stego

[barren zephyr]

Fix what? pachy is not working wrong, it is just weaker

[barren zephyr]

The only problem would be mega packs

[stuck latch]

Thats around the table though, seen a mega pack of stegos last night. created a mega pack of deinos

[stuck latch]

Thats an issue that will always be around unless youre on a server with rules. that shouldnt rule out having anything, infact more dinos on the roster would push more people to evrima.

[warm flame]

pachy sucks right now, I saw a leg fractured carno chase a pachy through a forest, the pachy couldn't do anything

[bright heath]

if allosaurus was added, we'd just have a new apex to replace carno and stego whats the point lol

sure its competition...but it just would replace the current top dogs

[stuck latch]

carnos cant fight a deino, killed 6 of them last night on land

[bright heath]

oh i meant on land apexes*

[barren zephyr]

Just keep running, carno cant keep up more than a minute, and oachy is much faster than fractured carno, also if they buff pachy speed they will huntdown carnos again like they did prepatch

[bright heath]

deino is definitely the carnivorous apex, but carnos are the on-land apex u gotta mainly worry aobut really. especially because of their current population due to the ease of their growth. (not their opness)

[warm flame]

it takes a lot of stamina to headbutt with pachy, with the low leg fracture chance you'll lose a lot more stamina than that carno by the time you break its leg

[stuck latch]

stego needs competition, allo creates that. Allos are going to want to kill a stego over a carno. they also put pressure on the deino pop. but are still small enough for both to defend and or kill one.

[barren zephyr]

Just make fracture 100% effective, so if carno misses the charge the pachy fractures it and run away

[warm flame]

which is the main thing I meant by fixing pachy

[bright heath]

why would an allo ever choose to fight something that could hurt it more? when it could just choose a carno

[paper oriole]

that allo suggestion breh lmao

that would just replace all the carno megapack with allo megapack

[dawn forge]

i mean idk bout you but risking your dino is part of the fun, also packs exist

we just need something to fight stegos imo, a good stego can solo just about anything frfr

how many times you had a stego wave its dick at you be honest

[tight oxide]

yea no...

pretty sure gore would remove the carnivore diet bandage

[bright heath]

arent stegos supposed to solo most things

theyre slow lumbering tanks with a tail thats essentially like a baseball bat with nails in it.

u shouldnt want to fight it as a carnivore unless u either outnumber it or are desperate

[tight oxide]

pov. update 2 utah

yea... utah could solo stego at one point

[barren zephyr]

Ah, you could have said what the fix was first place

[bright heath]

I remember me and a pack of 13 utahs were fighting a stego

and it killed like half of us, and the only reason we tried killing it was cause we were so desperate for food

we had no options

[warm flame]

it also could in U4, you have no idea how many videos I saw of utahs soloing stegos in U4

[bright heath]

I wouldnt be mad about that and say "stegosaurus is too op" i mena, it is op, and thats the whole point

[barren zephyr]

They made carnivores getting all nutrients from the same animal on purpose, so why wouldnt they do the same but now with the organ system that affects diet?

[chilly axle]

I have missed 3 different ambushes on this carno even though I aimed it perfectly

[paper oriole]

skill issue

[tight oxide]

because they know diets suck for carnis

[burnt bone]

they only get all 3 nutrients because they don’t have gore yet

[barren zephyr]

Its always been a problem, but people didnt notice because herbivore diet was easy

[burnt bone]

They prob going to have something more like “eat X organ” or “eat Y meat type”

[tight oxide]

everyone noticed

and carnivore diets would probably not restrict what carnivores can eat

[barren zephyr]

Most of the times that YOU hunt the prey if you dotn share it, it will have all the organs

[tight oxide]

like eat something with lean meat

or fat meat

or eat a heart

[burnt bone]

Everyone knew it was a problem, and that herbie diets had a problem. But now carnis have it easy and herbies have it hard

[tight oxide]

no reason to keep the 50% bandage at that point

[barren zephyr]

But we dont know if it works like that

[tight oxide]

its been mentioned a tiny bit

and devs even said diets need gore in order to work for carnivores

sooo...

[warm flame]

they really should've released diets and gore together

[tight oxide]

ikr

[bright heath]

cant wait to fight over a stegosaurus juicy liver in my raptor pack 🤤

[tight oxide]

i just want to eat carno brains as a utah

[warm flame]

meanwhile that one guy in the background "dibs on the testicles!"

[barren zephyr]

Yes, that nutrients would depend on the organs too, but you are making some assumptions we cant know from that little info

[burnt bone]

It is heavily implied that the gore will allow carnis to eat specic meats or organs for diets

[tight oxide]

so anyways why are you assuming devs will keep 50% bandage?

[barren zephyr]

Cause I can assume that...? I mean, I didnt said it is what will happen

[bright heath]

im just excited to see what dinosaurs we get each update

[tight oxide]

you can assume but I mean what is your reasoning?

keeping that bandage wouldnt really be what devs strive for in diets

[bright heath]

since the ones showed on the trello probably wont be the only additions, theyre just the guaranteed additions.

[tight oxide]

dont get too happy bud

but i still got my money on ovi

[burnt bone]

They are planning to add all the dinos from legacy, quetz, and megalania if they can make it work.

[tight oxide]

megalania i hope can climb as juvie and dig out burrowers while being a pretty fast land swimmer

[bright heath]

oh yes i know im just saying when and which for each appropriate update :D

[burnt bone]

That’s basically what they showed lol. Basically you can run, but you can’t hide

[barren zephyr]

Nvm

[barren zephyr]

I know the answer for U5.5

[tight oxide]

yea i just hope they stick to it

and megalania venom would be cool to see in action

[burnt bone]

I’m just waiting for anky, I wanna be the “no go zone” and just break legs

[tight oxide]

yea after its concept remodel

that new anky looks funny instead of "Get away or broken bones go brrr"

[bright heath]

oh yea anky will be fun for sure

[barren zephyr]

I dont like anky rhino

[paper oriole]

Wrong opinion

[barren zephyr]

It sucks

[tight oxide]

NO

[barren zephyr]

no one agrees

[paper oriole]

Best anky

[tight oxide]

this

[barren zephyr]

Wtf is that

[paper oriole]

Anky prime

He is my glorious creation

[tight oxide]

god incarnate

[barren zephyr]

Is even worse

[tight oxide]

make a cursed giga

[paper oriole]

Wrongest opinion

[paper oriole]

I might

[barren zephyr]

still is anky rhino

[burnt bone]

WAIT WHAT

[burnt bone]

Look at how they massacred my boy

[barren zephyr]

That looks like a dini from ark, and ark designs suck

[paper oriole]

are you intimidated? I understand

you can not burn anky prime, he will simply absorb the heat like iron, and use it against you

he will glow bright as the sun and annihilate his foes

[barren zephyr]

Wtf does islecords members smoke?

[paper oriole]

wisdom, enlightenment

[paper oriole]

tenoflea

[barren zephyr]

I guess if you like anky rhino you like isle spino too

[lone mica]

what and why is that

[paper oriole]

i need to learn blender so i can bring my anky, herrera and alberto specimens to life in the isle

[barren zephyr]

You should be banned

All of you

[paper oriole]

thats not very kind

[paper oriole]

honestly yeah this has driven off course from the original anky bad

[barren zephyr]

Indeed

[rare fractal]

This reminds me of Attack of the Clones

[paper oriole]

Are people really still dying of starvation as a carni rn

[barren zephyr]

The brown alien cows?

[barren zephyr]

Not me

[paper oriole]

Some dude in feedback apparently is

[barren zephyr]

What feedback?

I see

[lusty seal]

@keen willow you should post that in balance too

[barren zephyr]

@paper oriole let me fix it

@covert nest

[paper oriole]

Imagine dying of starvation as a carni when theres ai everywhere and KFSers leaving bodies everywhere

[covert nest]

so tell me why I cant find any bodies and AI "everywhere" as you said?

[paper oriole]

Look harder bro

Its especially easy to find at southwest and i also find it near the beach area at north, it’s everywhere

I consistently see frogs and deer at southeast and boars literally anywhere

[covert nest]

ahah, pls shut up, if I cant find, I cant find, end. So thats why I suggested to increase AI spawn and expand them, I'm not demanding.

[paper oriole]

Lmao no need to get upset, keep starving i guess

Ai spawns enough

[covert nest]

no offence, but you are being ignorant, but ok

[paper oriole]

Aight man have fun losing more carnis to the easiest to avoid death rn

[hybrid tiger]

ah fuck I just realised I made a typo in my suggestion that makes me sound like a massive twat

[tight oxide]

imo

i think smaller ai should spawn more ngl

i like how common boar are but more small ai would be cool to see

like shouldnt rabbits be more common than boar or...

[hybrid tiger]

"I think it would be a perfect fix"
*wouldn't be a perfect fix

[barren zephyr]

But you are the only one that cant find

And if you dont find anything you can always lie another carno and kill it

[weak hill]

Sometimes the spawns are totally messed up. I was down in the south and southeast yesterday and didn’t see anything from a little bit before the swamp lands started until I hit the east invisible wall. I was so shocked I went back zig zagging the whole area and couldn’t find anything

And then some areas I can’t enter a field without seeing boar deer and rabbits everywhere

[barren zephyr]

Also we dont know at what time this guy plays

[weak hill]

I don’t necessarily believe they need to be increased but just like diet plants AI spawnable areas need to be spread out more evenly in all areas of the map

It wasn’t a small stretch of map I didn’t see anything with no other players or bodies around. I’m talking the entirety of south center to the far south east wall, actively searching for any AI

[tight oxide]

just make ai spawn more where less players are

boom carnivores explore more

[rare fractal]

Preeecisely

[paper oriole]

The only thing that herbi diet change would do is make herbis afk longer after their boring and tedious trips to diet plants. In the end it really doesn’t fix the problem

[warm sluice]

Logically I would have herbs graze cause that’s what most savannah animals do to get hunger restored is they spend most time grazing the grass

[manic flint]

Granted they are specifically adapted to eat grass which most animals cant eat and gain meaningful nutrients from

[tight oxide]

ayo

what are the chances of a carno falling to its death the moment you spawn in?

[manic flint]

It's the isle so probably >0%

[tight oxide]

well it just happened...

moment i spawned in as utah a carno fell before i could even render the map

[warm sluice]

That’s true

[paper oriole]

I hope we get obligate grazers at some point but that should be reserved for only a few animals

Like anky probably

[warm sluice]

I agree

[paper oriole]

idk whats too "unrealistic" about that ptera skin

[last lily]

The Ptera skin on the left looks pretty juicy

[paper oriole]

it seems fine to me yeah

tho my eyes aint really a reliable source of opinion lol

but 'green blue and grey' for a piscivore doesnt seem wrong

especially a flying one

[hoary dawn]

the purple is very nice

[paper oriole]

ptera has no real reason to be stuck with drab colors so its certainly not an issue

[last lily]

Would be nice if we could get some new patterns in as well soon ish.(Not sure if those are coming later or with update 5... or update 5.5 )

[paper oriole]

interchangeable layers too would be so nice

[limber hull]

although i do agree with a variety of colours, i still think some animals just should not have certain colours

the deino should not have access to the same colours as a hypsi for example

[last lily]

Let Magy wear pink so it has lower odds of survival.

[tepid gate]

I think the skins look alright, not a big fan of Pachy but it wouldn't break my immersion or anything so it's ok

[paper oriole]

definitely, but ptera should be fine with most available colors imo

[limber hull]

no

[paper oriole]

its a flighty, small, hard to catch animal that can afford to be a bit flamboyant

[last lily]

Darn.

[paper oriole]

make magy constantly flash neon red and bright white so it can never hide

[last lily]

Yes

[limber hull]

magy hate stupid when we have a completely fictionalised utah

just fictionalise magy who gives a shit

[gaunt thorn]

Some creatures have brighter patterns irl so.. it doesn't hurt my brain too much

[paper oriole]

we already see what magy looks like

utah was at least changed anatomically to fit its role. magy cant look the way it does and survive an allo or alberto without looking absurd. but magy is aside the point

pt skin options look nice

[last lily]

Deino and Tenoto are going to be a pain to get unique looks for, until we get new patterns to spruce things up.

[gaunt thorn]

I, actually really like the ptera skins

Birds, for example, yes even prey birds, can be extremely colorful irl so..

[last lily]

I'd really like a striped tail tenoto skin, or a Deino skin that's more like a nile croc's.

Carno pattern with the horns having more color would be pretty cool too(back in legacy with the TSL carno where the default had red/orange horns and purple bumpy scales around them to make the horns stand out more and bring the viewer's eyes to the animal's defining feature)

[gaunt thorn]

Colorful carno horns would be a neat option. Esp knowing how keratin can grow in any color. Making things bland doesn't create realism. It's more than okay to have color in my eyes

[last lily]

I'd really like some new ptera patterns that put more color on the beak and wings. Some pretty cool stuff you can do with that.

[gaunt thorn]

Agreed

As I said, animals, esp smaller ones, tend to be colorful

[last lily]

We can get away with making some of the larger animals colorful to, rip. Always loved depictions of sauropods with colorful necks and tails, that are both for display and intimidation purposes. Some probably not a good idea for that though(T.Rex probably should be a bit more limited I'd imagine..but -shrug-)

[gaunt thorn]

Hell yes.

I need more of that in my life. They feel so alive like that.

[last lily]

It's really cool looking when done right, rip. As well as intimidating patterns or flashy colors on Ceratopscian frills.

[tight oxide]

wooooah

[gaunt thorn]

And, being big, they can get away with it since barely anything is big enough to take one down

[tight oxide]

that pachy is on a whole different level

[gaunt thorn]

I need better colors.

[last lily]

Skull pattern + red eyes can look cool on Triceratops, but so can white crests and blue dotting mixed in, while the face is mixed with specks of gray and tan(sort of like the Prehistoric Park Triceratops)

[tight oxide]

werent utahs said to have an easier time killing a ceratopscian than a stego

that means damn...

trike might be screwed against a utah pack

[gaunt thorn]

I need patterns like we can see in real animals. Not just plain green

As much as I like the color green, it's dull

[tight oxide]

iguana

would really love to see this skin pattern though

chinese water dragon

[last lily]

I can sorta see that.. Stego easily covers its flanks.. however, attacking a Triceratop's cheeks(tail and legs) should really do nothing(same goes for bleed too).

That is a nice pattern

[tight oxide]

but at the same time

bleed doesnt work like that for pouncing

[last lily]

Sadly

[tight oxide]

utah would apply heavy bleed anyways

and we dont know how fast trike can turn...

[last lily]

Would be nice if pounce took into account hitzone values.

[tight oxide]

i would agree but...

first i wanna see pounce be more expanded on

like idk make pounce more like legacy

[last lily]

There is more that can be done to pounce...but first pounce needs to stop breaking every update

[tight oxide]

you could latch on and choose to btie or not

or removing utah pounce jump

and make it so you have to run up to something and press rmb

[tight oxide]

yea maybe when its code becomes very simple

[gaunt thorn]

Green is pretty but, the old and even new Isle skins handle it badly.

[tight oxide]

i could make a pretty kickass giga skin with green ill say

[gaunt thorn]

Slick

[tight oxide]

though giga has a nice pattern to be fair

i made a nice cera green before

[gaunt thorn]

Yeah. It's all in the patterns and the contrast.

[tight oxide]

utah i hadnt manage to make nice

[gaunt thorn]

I need more color options and patterns

[tight oxide]

i want this for a skin pattern

like herrera or something

[gaunt thorn]

Pretty green bb

[tight oxide]

its a chinese water dragon

and thats not a bubu lmao

[gaunt thorn]

Fierce, but still somewhat cute

[tight oxide]

i actually own one

they are quite cool

[gaunt thorn]

Slick

[tight oxide]

i wonder what utah patterns will we get

and imagine carno...

[last lily]

Dotted(Cheetah esque) Carno may not be too shabby.

[tight oxide]

wouldnt be surprised if content creators held contests on who can make the best skin for ____ dinosaur

[tepid gate]

Giga had the best pattern back in legacy

hopefully it comes back as one of the options

[tight oxide]

def will be a default

dont think they will remove it since giga was an actual finished playable

like look at utah and pachy patterns

acro is understandable

[manic flint]

Ayo those are some good skins

[gaunt thorn]

Skins/patterns like dis, I need

[barren zephyr]

Yes 👆

[austere crane]

pesky is right

[strange wave]

no

bilbo is right

[tight oxide]

@cedar quartz

why not

[cedar quartz]

I like it and in my opinion it sounds cool

[paper oriole]

How does it sound cool lol it sounds gross

It aint a cat

Sit down and go PRR PRR PRR a carno hears you from 40 feet away and kills you

[tight oxide]

wondering why 3 people want purr to stay

when it can cause you to lose your ambush advantage...

or hiding...

and purring means your happy... so why does my utah purr when trying to hide from a carno....

[grim copper]

Why would you sit and not crouch when hiding? (I don’t like the purring either I’m just curious)

[tight oxide]

you get to heal and faster stam regen

plus you technically shorten your length

plus purr is just one of the many curses with dinosaurs

having weirdly loud idles...

[grim copper]

Yeah that purring just sounds weird

[paper oriole]

I usually do crouch, but only because the sit has that stupid fucking purr sound lmao

Sit is almost punishing for some dinos because its so noisy

[tight oxide]

thats whats dumb

you are forced to crouch just because of some sound you make when idle

[paper oriole]

Utah is lucky its one of those animals who can choose to crouch as well, i worry for many future animals who wont have crouch and still have ridiculous noises and idle movements even while sitting

Every dino should have the option to take a cautious stance even if it isnt an actual crouch in order to minimize their movement and noise, if the devs want to keep strapping unnecessary heavy breathing, purring, grunting and clicking to idle anims

[tight oxide]

rate this idea btw

Pounce Revamp
Pounce is a mechanic that is suppose to be utah's saving grace but currently in practice it can be a bit meh so I have some proposed ideas in a revamp

Remove pounce lunge and make it so you have to run up to a target and press rmb to pounce
This could help make pounce a bit more reliable and maybe not break when high ping while still be risky to use

Let you choose to attack or not during pounce latch/pin
I'm taking from legacy for this one and I think for the latch it could be used to make it so if you stop biting and clawing you can brace against a buck and for the taxi's...
For pinning this could just help with friendly fire a bit and adds a bit more realism (Not needed tbh)

[paper oriole]

Sounds fine to me, though if utah can invalidate bucking with a brace, i think people should be able to scrape the raptors off on trees and rocks again, even damaging the raptors by varying amounts if you’re bigger than them crunching them against a hard surface like that

[tight oxide]

bracing buck is more of a way to reduce incoming stamina damage

also you can scrape raptors off at times

[paper oriole]

Pounce being more of a direct attachment ability, with players controlling the jump separately might help with the desync issue, if thats what you had in mind, but at the same time those issues happen even with basic movement

[tight oxide]

really inconsistant

[paper oriole]

I think the scraping should be more consistent for use against any pouncer/grappler since utah isnt going to be the only one anyway

[tight oxide]

I also just think the the new way i said to pounce would help pounce land more while still being risky

like help pounce something like carno which can dodge you most of the time

while having to get into some biting range

[paper oriole]

This could have some heavy impact on some animals like pachy who already suffer from a small blood pool so i think adjacent changes would be needed, considering this could make utah busted in some fights

[tight oxide]

to be fair you could probably still bonk utah to denial

i was planning instead of utah just teleporting onto you it could have an animation of getting onto you

which is where its kinda vulnerable

[paper oriole]

If utah gets this ability to counter the ability that was made to counter it to begin with, i wanna be able to turn a utah in to paste against a tree as a big dino

[tight oxide]

that already happens

[paper oriole]

Instead of utah teleporting i wish thered be multiple grapple points

[tight oxide]

just really inconsistent

[paper oriole]

No it just bumps them off sometimes and sometimes does nothing

[tight oxide]

yea but to go with my idea a dedicated animation...

[paper oriole]

An animation just to make it look less dumb wouldnt hurt yeah, their pounce attachment looks weightless and zippy atm

[tight oxide]

look at what i said above....

[tight oxide]

me phasing onto an animal rib when i started pouncing from behind...

[barren zephyr]

What devs have to do is fixing disengaging making the jump longer, is not fair that with all the opportunities the stego has to not get pounce he can kill the utah because it didnt jumped far away enough

[tight oxide]

anyways should i post the idea?

or improvement needed

[barren zephyr]

Which one? I dont want go find it

[tight oxide]

wasnt a long scroll but here

Pounce Revamp
Pounce is a mechanic that is suppose to be utah's saving grace but currently in practice it can be a bit meh so I have some proposed ideas in a revamp

Remove pounce lunge and make it so you have to run up to a target and press rmb to pounce
This could help make pounce a bit more reliable and maybe not break when high ping while still be risky to use

Let you choose to attack or not during pounce latch/pin
I'm taking from legacy for this one and I think for the latch it could be used to make it so if you stop biting and clawing you can brace against a buck and for the taxi's...
For pinning this could just help with friendly fire a bit and adds a bit more realism (Not needed tbh)

To be more clear

1. Keep in mind bracing against buck will not make you completely safe from bucking but only heavily decrease stamina damage.
2. New animation for starting to get onto the target would be required to not look weird.
3. You can cancel a utah thats starting to pounce you by attacking it before it can

[barren zephyr]

I understand the last thing, I dont know If you had in mind monster hunter, but what you are saying is like a button to stick harder to the prey so you dont lose stamina while bucking?

[tight oxide]

dont play monster hunter so uh...

[barren zephyr]

But is like that right? Yous stop causing bleed but you dont lose stam?

[tight oxide]

and i dont think you would completely be safe from bucking but it would heavily decrease stamina damage

[barren zephyr]

Oh ok

[tight oxide]

there i made it more clear

[barren zephyr]

But what do you mean by removing the pounce lunge? "Make it so you have to run up to a target and press rmb to pounce" Sounds as the same thing we have now

[tight oxide]

pounce lunge like the jump you do...

starts to break at high ping

and can be really inconsistent

[barren zephyr]

But you can already run to a target jump press rmb and you use pounce without the lunge animation

[tight oxide]

not all the time

sometimes you will pounce and miss somehow

just as i said inconsistent

[barren zephyr]

But that is the usual hitbox pounce bugs

[tight oxide]

and ping

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[tight oxide]

you keep forgetting pounce can really break easily

even fps!

[barren zephyr]

But then your first point is alreadt implemented, they just have to fix the hitbox reliability and dont touch it ever again

[tight oxide]

yea something tells me its gonna commit legacy and break from fixing something else

even then its prob harder to fix its hitbox than you would think

else devs would probably have done it already

after all pounce didnt get touched apparently this update and became more broken

[barren zephyr]

The changes to your suggestion I recommend you is replacing the first change you said with "fix the pounce hitbox" And clearing out that utah would still lose stamina but slower, but you already changed that

[tight oxide]

my problem is also it breaking with ping and fps...

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but that is net code and optimization problems that affect pounce, but is not a problem of pounce itself, it also affect teno slam, carno charge, etc...

[safe hearth]

good morning, are there codes again to take part in the QA tests?

[tight oxide]

doesnt old one work?

[safe hearth]

no QA test can be found under beta.

[tight oxide]

i mean the old code

[safe hearth]

what was it again?

[barren zephyr]

This is a different thing, qa is only for qa team members, and the thing we had that we could play with humans is a stress test that can be played by everyone

[safe hearth]

oh i see. same with ptera and deino. i joined too

[barren zephyr]

The qa test is only avaible for the people with the green name

[safe hearth]

i see, thx

[barren zephyr]

Yes, that was a stress test

[barren zephyr]

Your welcome

@lament pecan there will be different patterns, they just haven't shown any yet

@cyan dagger dont go for all nutrients then, no one is forcing you to do it

@barren zephyr how do you know the ptera doesn't look realistic? How many pteranodons have you seen?

[bright heath]

bro the Utah purring is one of the best things ever 🥺

[bright heath]

Also I think people not thinking some of the skins are realistic are just having knee jerk reactions to seeing them without the default skin. Many animals in today's world are vibrant or sport colors other than hues of grey.

[mint girder]

Reptiles

Though I would like ptera with some hair

[hybrid tiger]

I was hoping quetz had some long shaggy pycnofibers

[signal beacon]

It will. It's just probably hell to animate, texture, and optimize.

[hybrid tiger]

The concept art although not final doesn’t have pycnofibers

[ashen wasp]

Yeah there’s no direct confirmation as of now that any of the pterosaurs will get fuzz iirc

[jagged jewel]

@barren zephyr antlers grow back, horns do not

[proud flax]

Well then stegos lose their spikes if they over swing with em

[barren zephyr]

i mean i get that i do but like its a game tho and it makes it more fun in my opinion

[barren zephyr]

yeah i agree

[proud flax]

Penalty for fighting everything they see

[barren zephyr]

i love trikes and i think it would be cool if i was playing trike and my horn breaks off in someones ribs

[barren zephyr]

YESSS

[proud flax]

They’d only use it for defense uwu

[jagged jewel]

trikes should only be defensive when cornered imo

some herbivores would be more effective being aggressive, and i feel like trike is one of them

along with dibble

[barren zephyr]

i agree trike would be aggressive and when pachyrhino comes out i will be doing just that

[sage oasis]

why i log out whit a adult cargo and come back again and i have a baby??

[manic flint]

Server rollback?

[sick pond]

@barren zephyr why would anyone want an rng punishment for playing the game?

[paper oriole]

carnivore mains who dont ever play animals with horns and thagomizers would certainly love it

[manic flint]

To be balanced carnivores teeth should fall out and they do 0 damage

[sick pond]

yeah because you attacked someone else in the survival game you can’t pvp anymore

[tight oxide]

Ooo and if deino breaks its tail it shouldnt be able to swim

[paper oriole]

better yet, punish slow animals for getting attacked by things they cant escape by rng breaking away their only means of defense

[limber hull]

carnivore mains try not to suggest a debuff that exclusively punishes herbivores for playing the game challenge (impossible)

[paper oriole]

no cap

[limber hull]

the one thing i respect about herbi mains is that they don't want carnivores to suffer in 50 different ways for just existing

[paper oriole]

its even funnier when they try to say things like "haha id love to be playing a tenonto and get an infection from a bite it would be so immersive" "it'd be so cool if i was playing kentro and a utah broke my shoulder spike off!"

like who do they think theyre fooling lol

[limber hull]

dude id love to die from elements outside my control in a PvP/survival based experience haha

the sheer ecstasy of having many hours of my life taken away from me due to elements i had no control over is amazing

[paper oriole]

maybe they're masochists

[limber hull]

its like people who ask for realistic sniper rifles or mercs that can easily dispatch rexes

like, damn dude, you really want players to quit that easy?

[paper oriole]

i'd LOVE to grow for 9 hours just for a dude stealthed in a tree i could never have even fought to oneshot me from 300 feet away

[limber hull]

because being fucking destroyed from across the map with no counterplay, no seeing the opponent and instantly losing 5 hours of your time or more does not sound like an experience that will have players coming back for more

and then they'll say shit like "don't go in the open then" as if the entire fucking ecosystem isn't plains animals already, and there are likely more plains animals to come

[paper oriole]

do you remember the dude who suggested letting mercs just poison random bodies and plants

[limber hull]

lmao yea

[paper oriole]

and he couldnt even defend his position

but he kept defending it by saying why not

couldnt give any reason for it to be added

[limber hull]

i still think only tribals should be the big dino killers due to closer range and better physical stats, plus it fits their character

[paper oriole]

yeah tribals are so roided up they could probably go hand to hand combat with some of the dinos that would just no dif a human

jump out of a tree on a utahs back and just choke it to death lmao

[limber hull]

herbi mains are respectable because most of the time they just want their animal to be buffed, not every other animal to be weaker

i can respect that

carnivore mains will literally punish a player in a heartbeat for the littlest shit they don't like

[paper oriole]

most of the time we just want to have a melee advantage against animals faster than them so we arent getting attacked recklessly 24/7, though im not even really an herbi main because like 60% of my time is spent on the carni side tbh

maybe even more than that, i just dont want to be nonstop under attack by -69 IQ carnos because they arent taking any real risks by attacking people slower than them

so many carni mains want jurassic world evolution combat balance where a raptor can dunk on a sauropod

[limber hull]

im honestly thinking of writing an in-depth write-up of my "comfort system" to replace the current way you grow your animal. And before you say it, it will not include literally anything that makes you cringe when you hear the words "comfort system". I think the new diet positions can work, but I also feel the way growth needs to be done needs to give players more variety in how they can grow or achieve it.

Basically I want a system that rewards you for doing natural tasks and absolutely does not debuff you because FUCK THAT

[paper oriole]

my mind has been conditioned against the idea of a comfort system but thats really just because i havent actually seen any good suggestions of one. would love to see a good one though

[limber hull]

i completely understand

because holy fucking shit, i cringe even calling my idea that

[paper oriole]

i want better diets, especially for herbis because carni diets are already probably going to get changed big time with gore, but herbivore diets are still trash

didnt the isle originally have a sort of comfort system planned but it was called something else

[limber hull]

idk man, maybe

[paper oriole]

affinity thats what it was

i think

i think most of that got lumped in to diets though

[limber hull]

i'd have a system that'd introduce "personality types" to species.
Territorial or roamer
Solitary or pack-based

That kind of thing. For example, a rex would be territorial and solitary, and the more they play into that, the better their comfort is. Also comfort only buffs growth speed, the rate you get perks and the rate you reach elder, nothing else, because nothing else makes sense imho.

[manic flint]

I would really like that

[limber hull]

I don't like the idea of "im comfortable so i heal faster", like what

how does that even fucking work

[paper oriole]

yeah it could help a little bit with controlling apex packs, probably not much but it would at least reward people who didnt play in to that lifestyle

[manic flint]

Dunno
Being stressed stunts growth iirc so that could work

[paper oriole]

mainly i hate abusable punishment systems which this doesnt sound like so its not really cringe

[limber hull]

also no debuffs or stress systems, because imho, there's no way to make them non-abusable or really that fun. You're either 0 comfort or 100 comfort, there's no negative debuffs or some shit

[manic flint]

Definitely

Not a huge fan of these systems debuffing you cause it feels more like a chore than anything

[limber hull]

stuff that buffs comfort would be shit like
good/perfect diets
owning and staying in a territory (territorial)
being near a groupmate (pack-based)
staying near your nest (hatchling)
marking new locations (roamer) (would require you to be a certain distance from previous marking)

that kind of shit and more

you could also lose comfort for doing shit like staying near carnivores as herbivores and vice versa or staying around a ton of your own species, which doesn't REALLY matter as much because you aren't getting debuffed and it's not like the fight is going to take long enough to make that 10 or so mins of growth REALLY matter in the long run. Just means long-term mixpackers or megapackers would feel it more

no shit like "im near a carnivore im going to throw up now"

[manic flint]

I would say no to the grouping one but I remembered we are getting 56 playables so just don't play a pack animal

[manic flint]

As long as the buffs have nothing to do with combat it can't be meaningfully abused

[paper oriole]

idk why but the image of a deino foodguarding a potato root is just hilarious

[manic flint]

It happens rarely

[paper oriole]

i can barely even see potato root plants without using the scent

[manic flint]

Only when they are right against the river
Potato is common enough that it doesn't matter

[manic flint]

The bright white on brown river bank is easy to pick out

[paper oriole]

maybe its just my eyes being bad

aside that point, that deino mustve been one desperate mfer though lol

[manic flint]

Lmao

[finite pagoda]

Anybody ever experience the falling through the sky after a deino grabs you glitch?! Tf is with that

[paper oriole]

Blue hypsi

[manic flint]

Teno ones kinda trash tho

[paper oriole]

Tenonto is eh its not that good or that bad

[manic flint]

Bro the Utah skin tho it looks good
I want that on a teno

[dense vale]

love me some camo patterns

[paper oriole]

I wonder if kentro is gonna have the electric blue that hypsi has so i can make my cringy avatar as a kent lmao

[manic flint]

[haughty pendant]

im so glad they made some shades of green that don't look as... barfy as the legacy greens

[finite pagoda]

Yesss

[haughty pendant]

green can be such a pretty color but i never liked how it looked in legacy, so this is REALLY neat to me :)

[finite pagoda]

I think the only ones that look off are a couple of the hypsis

[paper oriole]

the blues and reds are nice tbh as long as they are duller on larger animals

[finite pagoda]

Specifically the super blue bodied one. That should be an outer feather colour, not a whole body colour

[meager tiger]

I thought animals can't be blue

They need light refraction tricks

Wait what reptile has light refraction

[dense vale]

the purple blue stego is definitely a no

[meager tiger]

Isn't there a lizard called a skank or something

[paper oriole]

if stego gets any fancy colors it should be exclusive to the males plates imo

[meager tiger]

With a blue tounge

[dense vale]

skink

[paper oriole]

skink lmao

[dense vale]

conveniently called blue tongue skink

[meager tiger]

Well how do skinks have blue

And can that logic apply to giant reptile scale

[paper oriole]

theyre tiny animals and its just in their mouth isnt it

it doesnt exactly screw them over against predators

they just use the blue as a threat display because weird colors usually means toxic

[dense vale]

i think its blue to scare things or to prevent sun burn i cant remember lol

[meager tiger]

No i mean science. Animals cannot be blue using common methods with all other colors

[paper oriole]

weird colors arent gonna work as a defense mechanism in the isle unless the animal can actually back it up

[meager tiger]

They need light refraction

Bird feaths...blue butterfly wings

Are angled weirdly

To produce blue

On the microscopic scale

So can a giant lizard do this using lizard skin

[paper oriole]

yeah but those animals can either easily afford to have those flashy colors, or they use them as a warning/intimidation

[icy lion]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CQ3g415tSTs/maxresdefault.jpg

[paper oriole]

neither of those things would really work for something like stego, unless its just on their plates

[icy lion]

Big things are generally dull as a rule of thumb

But there are exceptions

[meager tiger]

Does having blue make your skin weaker

[icy lion]

It depends on their environment, predators, prey items, what they are in general

[meager tiger]

From physical attacks

[paper oriole]

probably not but it does make you hard to hide from predators

its not directly harmful to health like albinism or something as far as i know

[meager tiger]

But if your skin is designed or evovled for color

Can you also have the same defense level

As other animals

[static niche]

i dont think the saturation should be dialed back, but there should be some sort of slider that allows you do so if you personally want it tbh

[icy lion]

There's a saturation slider

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/953839616794980362/16-03-2022_9-02-00_p.png

[static niche]

oh yay, good

[icy lion]

From Dondi's stream

[static niche]

im surprised they didnt just slap a color wheel in

[gritty helm]

there is a theory I remember hearing about with blue tongue skinks that the blue on their tongue reflects uv light which essentially acts as a flashbang for would be predators. I don't quite remember every test they ran but I do recall that the birds that attempted to prey on them would miss every time the skink opened it's mouth which was one of the things that kick started the theory

[paper oriole]

Thats pretty badass

[limber hull]

why is everyone so confused about hypsi being colourful

its the one animal that looks fine with a ton of super vibrant colours

seriously if there's one animal where people should be allowed to go absolutely fucking overboard with colours, it should be hypsi

[paper oriole]

I think the vibrant colors really fits hypsis playerbase personality too

[limber hull]

i guarantee you people would play hypsi MORE on the basis of funny colour

[gritty helm]

true

[limber hull]

like you wouldn't even need to mechanically change the thing people would go "hee hoo i made a blue jay hypsi"

[meager tiger]

I was talking about stego being blue

Birds have feathers for refraction

[limber hull]

joe, my good man, every word i say is not in direct reference to you

[meager tiger]

Oh ok

[limber hull]

i do agree blue stego looks silly

but the hypsi rainbow works fine for what hypsi is

big tropical bird

[violet magnet]

if you don't like stego being blue then...don't make your stegos blue?

if they kept the blue this more naturalistic shade of blue and not neon blue then okay, but please God give us more options than we had in Legacy

[limber hull]

listen, i understand that, but i also don't like BoB rexes walking around like a fucking neon sign in a pride parade for a sexuality that doesn't exist yet, but I'm also forced to look at that if I play that game

[paper oriole]

I think it would be nice if server owners could put a cap on the saturation scales so people can choose to play on servers with duller dinos, but in general i dont think a 6 ton tub of lard should have a blue body

[limber hull]

i like colour choice but if this game starts getting BoB-level bullshit, it's going to take away from that realism/horror element

[violet magnet]

listen man i hated seeing the goddamn indoraptor utah skin on every other utah i saw, but that was inevitably going to happen because of the skin customization system that lets people make literally any skin they want to play with

if devs don't want people making crazy color options at all, then the logical thing to do here would be to not give us a color customization system and instead do like they did in Old Legacy, where we had a bunch of preset default patterns to choose from. That is literally the only way to stop neon dinos that won't leave people disappointed at a lackluster skin customization system that gives us nothing but brown and gray and puke green as color options

[paper oriole]

Boring

[limber hull]

so you literally cannot see a middle man where they don't give us absurdist colours like deep blue on a stego body

[violet magnet]

and that would be fine

the private realism servers could even make guidelines on "banned skin colors" and i wouldn't give a fuck, because it's their server and their guidelines. But what I'm hoping for is that the devs give us a bunch of colors in the base game/base character customizer that can be enabled and disabled by the community, not just a blanket sweep of taking these features away from everybody because...bright color bad? Or something?

[limber hull]

bright colour leads to dumbfuck bob skins

so yes, bright colour bad

[violet magnet]

that's ur opinion, boo

[paper oriole]

The main thing i just hope is that we wont see dinos with the same color selected on every layer because i dont want the fucking fruit snack and wannabe albinos making a return

[wooden mica]

blueberry dinos, where its all blue, the same blue

where willy wonka at

[paper oriole]

God i can already see it

[violet magnet]

give me blueberry stego or give me delete

[limber hull]

it is my opinion, and i also believe the devs share said opinion. They actively have mentioned they do not want skins like BoB

[paper oriole]

I can see something like solid black working on idk, a velo or a hypsi, but on most dinos it looks stupid

[limber hull]

because frankly, the skin system in BoB makes the game look even more hideous than it already does

[paper oriole]

The skins in BoB are so bad that they ruin the models

[wooden mica]

i gotta say, that one tan orange hypsi on the bottom right, not vibin, it looks like it has no depth after all that effort to add...depth, to the feather

[violet magnet]

BoB has a skin filter system that makes it so you don't have to look at the neon ugly colors
Isle should IMO do something similar just so people won't be bitching all day about "UUuUuUuGHGhgh i saw a BLUE STEGO and it RUINED MY WHOLE EXPERIENCE uuuuUghHgh"

[paper oriole]

You see a BoB model preview and its like “huh thats not bad” but then it looks like a plastic toy when its skinned

[limber hull]

holy shit

holy shit an advocate for the skin filter

god, can't wait for people to see things and other players differently from one another. That will totally turn out perfectly for the game and not at all have horrible side-effects when it comes to trying to be stealthy and whatnot

[wooden mica]

I think patterning, colors, muted for some dinos more than others where applicable, but we dont need traffic lights, at the same time they mentioned being able to make everyone "default" in your own settings

[paper oriole]

OR the default settings could just prevent people from making their dinos look like solid blue, solid yellow, solid white whatever plastic toddler toys

[limber hull]

that would be ideal

you know, have animals look like animals idk

maybe don't have neon pink rexes that stick out across a million miles, take any sense of immersion you had and shits on it, and actively makes the game look uglier

[wooden mica]

i mean granted, in real life, lizards be wildin, but not all of them, theres a group that do and the rest be like "ayo, ima be the color or literal leaves"

[violet magnet]

i'm not advocating for the neon colors
i just want colors
not a smattering of various shades of brown and gray and green

[paper oriole]

Id love to make my obnoxious red and blue avatar skin in game but on a large animal it would just look downright cartoonish

I dont think we need our dinos looking like national flags and gummi candies

[limber hull]

haven't they given us colours though? do we really need vibrant colours on shit like a stego

hypsi looks absolutely fine with all these crazy colours and i am all for that

[wooden mica]

remember several maps ago, and we had literal beacons of white and tan, all rex' all could be seen from miles away, because all they had was normal or white but we gotta reign it in at some point before it just becomes a parody in of itself

[limber hull]

but stego is a big-ass 6 ton behemoth that's also coloured like a tropical bird or exotic little lizard

[violet magnet]

again that's ur opinion, boo

[limber hull]

what the fuck does boo mean

[paper oriole]

As long as those colors are only available to be largely present on the bodies of animals under 2 tons its cool

Like i can see a trike with some flashy reds and oranges on its frill but not on its body

I can see a stego with those colors on its plates but not its body

[limber hull]

yea, i agree on that, have the colourful spots be for where it wants to show off. Colourful plates or frill and whatnot

[wooden mica]

bulba im just gonna say it here, have a different sentence, ending with your opinion boo is a good way to sound dismissive and kinda rude to people , could start conflict with the wrong person

[paper oriole]

Thats probably the intention

Probably baiting a response

[wooden mica]

[limber hull]

eh idc

[paper oriole]

I see a lot of people do that in an attempt to make others angry all the time lol

[violet magnet]

no i'm trying to make a point here but mr rex up here keeps sharing his personal opinions as if they should be taken as objective fact

[limber hull]

its such a dumb thing to get aggressive over. Simply, animals should be colourful, but not at the expense of making them look unrealistic or stupid

[wooden mica]

imagine doing that

[violet magnet]

ikr

[paper oriole]

Youre doing the same tbh

[violet magnet]

ok boo

anyway

[paper oriole]

Nice try buddy

[limber hull]

"haven't they given us colours though? do we really need vibrant colours on shit like a stego"

this isnt even an opinion its a question lmao

[paper oriole]

No blue stegos, no purple rexes. Ongod

[wooden mica]

i mean, youre both trying to make valid opinions but the difference is hes chatting, youre shutting it down but, you do you. boo.

the real question mira is.... neon velos?

lazer beams in the night

[limber hull]

no lmao

[paper oriole]

Glowing neon pink velos lighting up the night

Like fireflies

[wooden mica]

the light sticks for directing planes at night, but its tiny spicy bois

[paper oriole]

You cant even see the shape of their body beneath the blinding neon flare

[wooden mica]

Im in. sign me up

[paper oriole]

Bright yellow and red zebra striped para

[wooden mica]

velos one unique trait, glowing neon

[violet magnet]

point being, skin customization system will inevitably result in color combinations that people personally find ugly, and the only ways to stop this from happening are

1. have preset default pattern(s), no color customization
2. severely limit color options, which will also upset people who want a wider range of colors to customize their dinos with
3. accept that people will inevitably make skins that you find super ugly, and either get over it or take it upon yourself to hunt those people down if you feel like it
4. have a skin filter that can be enabled in settings that you can turn on so you don't have to look at the colorful abominations

[wooden mica]

well they said 4 is coming anyway so thats checked off

[paper oriole]

You seem to be unable to think in moderations rather than extremes

[violet magnet]

...........how so...?

[limber hull]

1: silly
2: you dont need to "severely limit options" to make people still pick colours that aren't dumb
3: i dont want to make a duty of killing people
4: abusable

[paper oriole]

You dont need to severely limit colors to avoid fruit snack stegos and barney rexes

Color choice should vary between animal, some dinos should simply have more muted colors and still not be forced in to brown, green and grey

[wooden mica]

muted tones, a moderation of either have it all or nothing

[limber hull]

"OH HEAVENS I CANNOT PICK NEON PINK, THE ISLE DEVS HAVE LIMITED MY PERSONAL FREEDOMS".

Just allow for more subtle colours and variations, it's not like the loss of deep blue on stego is going to mean the only things you get to pick from is brown and browner brown

[violet magnet]

again never said i was advocating for neon dinos but ok

[paper oriole]

Even having some colors limited to one layerr, becoming unusable on other layers once its picked, can be a way around it

[wooden mica]

alright, alright, im going to step in here and say, we are all circling back to the same points over again and getting nowhere, new topic time

[violet magnet]

that would also be fine

[paper oriole]

The isle general feedback discussion

[wooden mica]

how about that 3d rendering at the end

[paper oriole]

Looks like a nice barn

[limber hull]

id just want something like "this is the VIBRANT SPOT" like plates or whatnot

[wooden mica]

new home?

[paper oriole]

I hope i can land on the rafters

[limber hull]

and in the VIBRANT SPOT you can go basically wild

Tons of colour options for like, plates or the details that the animal shows off and whatnot

[paper oriole]

Would be neat

[wooden mica]

I gotta say, i vibe on some of those buildings where the fences are essentially making it a safe zone if you face your business end to the door

[paper oriole]

Good nesting spots, wonder if raptor docks will make a return

[wooden mica]

no one is ever there when I visit them either so its like, ahh time to relax LOL

id say it will, or that one building near swamp, thats a good spot away from tall dinos

[paper oriole]

I like to leave pumpkins in the locker there

[wooden mica]

well, isnt that wholesome

[paper oriole]

Sometimes i put a pumpkin in the car at the unfinished docks

[wooden mica]

pumpkin-egg hunt

[limber hull]

i like to go to the docks to sit in the car as a hypsi and pretend to drive

this is the ideal usage of my time

[wooden mica]

this is why they are studying the dinos, they are learning to people

[paper oriole]

I look forward to more structures to leave my pumpkins

[limber hull]

a calling card

[wooden mica]

bruh

[paper oriole]

I stuffed a dead hypsi in that car on my pt once

[wooden mica]

mira for wholesome president?

oh wait...

no it still checks out, wholesome president

[limber hull]

put it in the trunk, no one has to know

[paper oriole]

Maybe i can find the pic

[analog ingot]

ay looks awesome, cant wait to raid in halloween-I mean join in

[paper oriole]

lmao here it is

i had some trouble with the body, it was a bit clingy

[wooden mica]

bruh, its chewing gum

[paper oriole]

Also left a fish in the seat. We need more vehicles soon for this purpose alone

[frozen heron]

He's driving

[paper oriole]

fish taxi fish taxi

[wooden mica]

imagine that, carrying live fish to other water sources

fish stocking simulator

[paper oriole]

imagine being a big dino and picking up a live boar and dropping it off at a nesting site

[wooden mica]

woah now satan, just the non dangerous animals

[paper oriole]

very well

i hope i can hang bodies over the rafters on the new building

use it like a fish drying rack

[wooden mica]

nah itll just ragdoll to the ground, you know the deal

[paper oriole]

true tbh

[wooden mica]

it already happens, a steggo body fell through, FELL THROUGH a whole giant log it died on

and into the abyss

[paper oriole]

the Isle

[wooden mica]

good times and great classic hits

[main imp]

@worldly ginkgo maybe they already showed a camo carno, we just didnt see it because it was so well hidden 😁

[limber hull]

@warm flame the colours shown are subject to change, so... we'll see

"Do keep in mind that many of these more vibrant colours are only used for testing purposes, so that we can find the right balance. So as usual, everything is subject to change!"

[warm flame]

yeah I'm aware, I just really want them to keep at least a similar color palette

[limber hull]

yea, we can hope

[paper oriole]

This dude deadass wants carno to be even easier to sustain rn

[sick pond]

lmao

[wooden mica]

yes to different eyes no to it being player choice, if you get my meaning

[stray holly]

Stego mains man.

[wooden mica]

i mean, i dont main stego but shes got a point

unless youre playing with your screen turned off, everything on the roster can outrun a stego minus a deino that can if it needs to, dive in the water to avoid one, and even then, the only stegos that are dangerous to deino as far as not being able to be killed easily is 80% and over, under that, you can drag n drown them pretty easy, more so with the sheer volume of deinos you can just tag team drown them.

and for the other carnis argument for cant take them down, is it on your diet? if it is, go for one your size and use your numbers like intended, theres many methods to kill a stego if you dont let it get to a corner where it can point its tail at you, most of their food is in the plains so its not like they have a lot of hiding places, be smart, play smart, and if youre that worried, play a ptera

if its not on your diet, and youre just hunting for sport, take it on the chin and move on

[stray holly]

That isn’t the point. The point is stegos are a cancerous thing to play right now. Bodyguarding with virtually no consequence, on top of being virtually invincible to Utah packs. The only reason they’re somewhat huntable now is due to them not being able to swing after a Utah dismounts. While i agree that they should be extremely difficult for Utahs to hunt in an established ecosystem where there are larger predators, that should be the case when said predators are in the game. Using the arguement of “Oh they’ll be balanced when x dinosaur is added in the game” is invalid. You’re looking into a future that’s potentially years down the line.

[low canopy]

How about buffin utah instead of nerfing stego 🙂

more importantly pounce is broken yet again, so balancing around bugs is meh

[wooden mica]

I mean, if you go by the general comments by people about stego being too op, use that for context, i loosely relate to her comment but more than anything, adding to the defence of the idea that stego is some sort of big bad invincible beast. as I said, theres many ways to hunt or avoid a steg, and you dont need to only hunt the ones that can one tap you

also this is within the context of current play, sure balance will change later when more is added but the current line up, its not impossible

[stray holly]

Buffing a creature that can bleed out a carno with two full pounces sounds like a bad idea to me.

[stray holly]

You’re doing the exact same thing. Looking to the future instead of the now.

“Oh it’ll be fine when all these other things are added”

[low canopy]

better than adding even more reasons for people to play carno or deino (which both are countered by stego)
These two animals already suffer from massive overpopulation issues and dont need more reasons to be played

[wooden mica]

wha.... no, no im not, im saying IN THE NOW, that they arent OP invincible beings

are you actually reading my comment or did you TLDR it

[stray holly]

Of course not. Because of a freaking Utah dismount bug.

Adult stegos need something to fear. They only have other adult stegos to fear at this point in the game.

[wooden mica]

They are and have always been an apex

they fear themselves and deino

and currently, theres rife canni stegos anyway so its not like theres an overpop of them

[stray holly]

A stego should be shitting it’s pants at a 8 man Utah pack that knows how to play the game.

[wooden mica]

at the same time, a utah pack should be picking the right fights

against an apex herb

[stray holly]

But with the current de sync issues related to its swing it makes it that much more difficult

I agree. Going against a stego camping a rock face or tree isn’t the right way to go about things

[wooden mica]

8 utahs taking on a 100% stego and not using the terrain and their numbers is gonna be a bad time, younger stegs are all over, they are in fact, dying to carnis often, they arent that strong until they get to that later stage

[stray holly]

Reducing its HP and Bloodpool and fixing its issue with the swing not registering after a Utah dismount would make for a fine balance change in my opinion.

[wooden mica]

Anyway, im not here to start an argument, i just hope i can at the least broaden your view that stego isnt some big bad that needs to be nerfed into the abyss, as it stands, its fine.

[stray holly]

And I’m here to tell you it’s not fine. Could be way better balanced for what’s in the game right now.

[wooden mica]

this is where you say, ok i hear you, until next time

because thats what im hoping youre getting from me

[uneven mist]

@tame jetty (sorry for the Ping) from dondi’s stream it looks like you wil be able to save you’re skin

[tame jetty]

Awesome! I wasn't sure they would make that since I never heard anything bout it, so that's gonna be very welcomed 😊

[signal beacon]

@broken thorn While I agree with you about removing the gentle giant herbivore stereotype. Effectively removing 2 call isn't the way. I'd say it'd be better if we simply increased competition for food. Rn everything has it's own diet with no competition whatsoever. I say herbivores should have more diet overlap to encourage disputes and territorial behavior. We saw it worked back when dryo and teno both ate radish

Tenos would bully dryos off of food and dryos would attack young tenos to prevent future competition

[broken thorn]

No, not removing it completely. How i would imagine this is by making the 2 call only possible when looking at your own spieces, then the ability to "attract" would appear. or something along these lines.

[broken thorn]

You're very right on the diet part. When the first Diet System QA became availible, i played stego and since Stego and Teno's diet was overlaping, i competed with Tenos often. Then they added whole lotta pumpkin and stuff.

[signal beacon]

I understand that but it's a weird change that won't work. People will just do that lil shimmy to show friendliness

If herbivore food actually existed I think herbivores should get overlapping diets

Even if it's just one item

[broken thorn]

Yeah

[broken thorn]

each food item with a different spieces possibly....?

[icy lion]

@noble pine Unofficial servers will eventually be able to choose custom palettes for skins

[noble pine]

Eventually, but it’s better than never I guess.

Also where are the different patterns? This is the skin system, shouldn’t we also be seeing different patterns as well?

[icy lion]

Patterns are still in development, yes

They are still planned for the system

[noble pine]

I would hope so, I’m saying though it would’ve been better if they released with the skins to provide even more variety. This and the nesting update are the most anticipated, the more that’s given, the happier people will be

[warm flame]

@tidal rose I'm pretty sure that round plates are males

[tidal rose]

really? i thought it was the females... either way point still stands

the texture looks clipped

looking at the picture, damn you are right

the pointy ones have no color aka female

[warm flame]

yeah it does look like it isn't fully fit into the plates on some

[tidal rose]

probably because the two models use the same exact texture and it was textured around the pointy model

[tight oxide]

im scared of camo carno skin ngl

[signal beacon]

@bleak bison I'm pretty sure troodon is just using velo's animation atm. Considering its nowhere near done

[hoary dawn]

that wouldn't make sense

[bleak bison]

Velos running animation looks way better than that

[hoary dawn]

im pretty sure what we saw was either the trot or a slowed version of the run

[bleak bison]

I think respectfully it looks trash

[signal beacon]

Mainly because it was made for velo. Besides even if its made for troodon it will likely get changed

[bleak bison]

Hopefully

[signal beacon]

Troodon might look janky cause the animations aren't made for it

[hoary dawn]

its probably the run

[bleak bison]

Smh

[frozen heron]

I think it's the trot, not the run

[hoary dawn]

yea looking at it again it is way too slow to be a run

[uneven mist]

@fleet axle (sry for the Ping) teno’s kick got buffed and isn’t supposed to use the tail slam as often as it did before

[tepid gate]

@fleet axle those numbers are also just wrong

and as stated above - you're not supposed to be trying to dish damage out with the tailslam

kick is the tool to do that

and its damage is really good

[uneven mist]

But its hitbox is kinda fucked

[tepid gate]

it's too short imo

Tenonto could use having a slightly larger attack socket

on its kick that is

[paper oriole]

kick animation is also ugly af lol

[tepid gate]

oh yea

it looks so... stiff and rigid

[paper oriole]

it has no weight, it moves like a flick

[tepid gate]

just unnatural

it could use a redo in all the honesty

[paper oriole]

it has no landing animation either seemingly, which i guess is because its supposed to be used a lot, but it just looks awful

[distant storm]

@odd kraken Seems like troodon would abuse this tainting everything. BUT if human could get venom from the troodon and then poison some bait, maybe you got something there.

[odd kraken]

I don't mean hole corpses just the pieces... I mean they would need a lot of poison to poison a hole body

[paper oriole]

That ability sounds like cancer

Plus venom usually isnt poisonous

Venom isnt usually a problem unless you injest a ton of it, it has to enter the blood stream directly

[distant storm]

Well venom needs a living host moving in order to spread around.. Through the blood, muscles, or other tissues

Yeah poison is touch, venom is inject

[paper oriole]

Injest vs inject yea

[odd kraken]

Does that still count for reptiles?

[distant storm]

you can "poison" something with venom though like arrows

[paper oriole]

Yeah venom is kinda destroyed by stomach acid before it can do major harm

[distant storm]

it's why some guy in texas drank venom for years thinking he got immunity built up and then died to his pet cobra

[paper oriole]

Some fancy overpriced alcohols have snake venom in them too

[paper oriole]

-420 IQ

[odd kraken]

So now the next question... Is the new Dino poisonous or venomous?

[paper oriole]

What new dino

[distant storm]

Venomous

Troodon I think he means

[paper oriole]

Dilo, troodon and mega are all venomous

[distant storm]

Magy is poisonous

[odd kraken]

Dino-in-work

[paper oriole]

Magy should be poisonous to itself

[distant storm]

I'd love to see it's poisonous ability tied to it's diet.. only way to make it fun to try out.. But I wouldn't main it

[paper oriole]

Didnt they also say that magy isnt poisonous and it just tastes bad

[odd kraken]

Oh hell now thinking of slightly poisoned food and then having bad sh*t, and then pooping around like ark players...

[paper oriole]

[distant storm]

👀 wtf did I just read

Poison dart frogs have their color and poison properties based on their diets on stinging insects.

[paper oriole]

Theres a couple birds that do the same

Some south american bird and a goose

[odd kraken]

So you mean when the new skin system gets out all Dinos want to be poisonous since they have achieved the rainbow skin?

[distant storm]

Flamingo meat isn't edible unless it's cooked a certain way apparently.

[limber hull]

What

In no way was that being implied lmao

[distant storm]

Hahaha no but the intensity of your color reflects your health to an extent?

[odd kraken]

Just some cringe idea springing out of my idea making the troodon able to poison food

[paper oriole]

What if… toxic pitohui hypsi