general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

everytime a pachy hits me once it fully fractures my leg and im basically just an ez kill then

[limber hull]

Did you know if pachy stands in mud it can't alt-attack or headbutt? Very fun fact, now don't go out there and exploit this against pachys completely unaware of this trick

[tepid gate]

Cause Pachy is broken

[barren zephyr]

fractures are all over the place

plus the uh

stun lock...

[manic flint]

Fracture are weirdly balanced

[tepid gate]

It's probably the most broken an animal has been since the beginning of Evrima tbh

[indigo hawk]

fair

[barren zephyr]

i get they wanted pachy to be incredibly strong for it's size but uh, think they went a little overboard

[tepid gate]

It just needs a number of nerfs and some buffs in certain areas

[tepid gate]

For starters it has a number of bugs and just isn't finished that's what causes it to be the way it is right now

[manic flint]

I'd argue carno cause it just invalidated teno and utah
At least you can run from a pachy

[barren zephyr]

juvie pachy when its slower than deino

[tepid gate]

At no point did Carno invalidate either of those two on the livebuild

it was too good on the MT but that was because Utah and Tenonto were both hotgarbage

[manic flint]

MT I was referring to

[tepid gate]

on the livebuild however Tenonto at worst had a 40/60 match up against Carno

MT is irrelevant

[manic flint]

Not the live build

[tepid gate]

QA doesn't matter, that stuff exists only to test stuff

[barren zephyr]

remember when carno charge did fracture and instantly broke teno?

[sand lantern]

HOLY SHIT THANKS FOR TELLING ME IM ON HOLIDAY RIGHT NOW SO I DIDNT KNOW! this better not be a joke or I will cry myself to sleep

[tepid gate]

That was on MT

[manic flint]

I disagree cause the logout glitch made it nearly unplayable

But I see your perspective

[tepid gate]

You can disagree but quality assurance exists specifically so that stuff is tested, nothing was balanced at the time therefore anything there was fully irrelevant to the game's balance

[manic flint]

Yes I understand

[barren zephyr]

man, reminds you how great update 2 was

loved that update

[tepid gate]

The closest Carno came to invalidating Tenonto was in mid-update 2

even then Tenonto could win that

it's just that apparently a really good Carno would pretty much always kill a Tenonto

[indigo hawk]

guys ngl i just want more dinos to be added to evirma

[tepid gate]

having said that - I've never encountered such a Carno at the time

[tepid gate]

Same

[lusty seal]

right here baby

[barren zephyr]

a really good carno during that time could pretty much kill anything

[tepid gate]

So it seemed but tbh, I've never lost a 1v1 to a Carno during update 2 as a Tenonto

[barren zephyr]

yeah, but let's be honest. most carno players weren't very smart back then

[indigo hawk]

also i hate the utah model rn

[tepid gate]

To be fair that match up just worked a bit differently at the time

Carno didn't knock Tenonto down

Tenonto had more hp, so did Carno

[sand lantern]

So will we still have isle Utah so new new Utah isn’t a replacement? I don’t really get it

[manic flint]

Update 2 carno v teno? Almost always won except when they were in a pack

[tepid gate]

Carno also dealt more damage, while Tenonto had its current damage

[barren zephyr]

not a fan of weight=health

[tepid gate]

Weight=health is good

the things were so dumb before that

we had a 350N biteforce Carno

because Utah had an overbloated health pool

[barren zephyr]

although that's probably because of nostalgia, in retrospect weight=hp is good for the game

[manic flint]

They can add damage reduction to things like cera

[icy lion]

Our utah will get a fictional name, and a realistic utah will be added as an additional creature

[tepid gate]

350 dmg is what large mid tiers should be doing, not little gits like Carno or Tenonto

[lusty seal]

yeah basically, the current one will stay but be renamed, and a realistic utah will be added if im not mistaken

[sand lantern]

Cool

[indigo hawk]

i like thi

this

[sand lantern]

Thank you again for telling me you made my day a lot better

[manic flint]

So that's 57 dinos now
And we get novaraptor?

[lusty seal]

XD no problem

[barren zephyr]

so our current utah is literally just primal carnage nova

[indigo hawk]

can we talk about the spino model cause personal not a fan

[barren zephyr]

it's bad

too much monster not enough animal

[indigo hawk]

its better then old model but still not good

[limber hull]

carno having 350N while deino had 500N caused me actual physical agony

[barren zephyr]

carno also having amazing DPS with the 350N

[manic flint]

Much better spino

[tepid gate]

As opposed to now when it has a joke of a dps

[indigo hawk]

agreed

[barren zephyr]

you may as well not even bite

[limber hull]

remember when the charge did 500 damage and one-tapped utahs in 3.75? good times

[indigo hawk]

i would like if it got on hands and feet tho

more realistic

[barren zephyr]

i kinda like the idea of charge insta killing utahs

[tepid gate]

I absolutely hated that

[limber hull]

same

it was ridiculously stupid

[tepid gate]

Carno should be doing dmg via bites

charge should only work as a way to CC its target

[manic flint]

Debatable if it is realistic or not for quad spino but we still don't really know

Honestly wouldn't mind if carno got a slight bite force buff
Although what matchup would it change?

[tepid gate]

I'm honestly not sure if I'd touch Carno's biteforce I think 175N seems like an ok value for an animal of this size but

holy cow this animal is pathetic right now

[limber hull]

I'm really starting to like the alt-bite head swing

[tepid gate]

How much of a biteforce are we talking? 200N? None really

[manic flint]

Same

[indigo hawk]

wdym

[tepid gate]

you'd lose one bite in the Tenonto match up

[limber hull]

If it's a close range move that's more effective on small bastards, then it could assist our small-game hunter hunt small game

[barren zephyr]

carno alt head swing is cool

[limber hull]

Also adds one bite to the pachy charge-bite combo

[barren zephyr]

just a regular bite is lame

its also painfully slow and is pretty useless

[tepid gate]

And some in the match ups that Carno isn't supposed to be having

[limber hull]

Unless it's an alt-bite

[limber hull]

Which I guess is the idea

[manic flint]

I assume you are talking about spino
And no one really knows if it was a quad or not
We have insufficient date as of now
Until we get spino arms we won't be sure, but bipedal spino is more accurate now iirc

[tepid gate]

In general I think Carno's issue isn't the biteforce but... like literally everything else?

its design is just complete nonsense at this point

[manic flint]

Carno was added too early imo

[limber hull]

Carno could do with a bit more endurance at the cost of longer rests. Also maybe make charge not melt stam as heavily as it does

[tepid gate]

I don't think either of these fix the underlying issue of this animal

it's currently an ambush predator that is absolutely atrocious at ambushing

At least it seems to be designed like a weird incompetent ambush predator

One that has to maintain a specific distance from its prey before it cna launch an attack

[limber hull]

If it could charge out of say, crouch or standing, at the cost of a huge chunk of stam, we could see a better ambush tactic

[tepid gate]

which takes forever to be launched too

Then again - I really don't think Carno should be an ambush hunter

[limber hull]

Wait for prey, launch yourselves with the extremely high speed, kill before the stamdrain catches up

[tepid gate]

it's supposed to be out in the open

[barren zephyr]

legacy carno had a good standpoint imo

[tepid gate]

and run small stuff that decided to walk through the plains down

[limber hull]

Legacy carno did have decent stam but godawful regen

[tepid gate]

Legacy Carno was an absolute abomination

I'd rather have this animal removed from the game than have a comeback of that garbage

Literally the dumbest animal in the legacy

[barren zephyr]

it didn't really have to worry about anything either

unless it was afk

[limber hull]

I think legacy carno could work better with EVRIMA's movement and special abilities, but it is dumb. Legacy carno could actually continually chase its prey

[tepid gate]

One of the reasons why I despise that animal

[barren zephyr]

just run forever and nothing will catch you

literally nothing

[tepid gate]

Absurd stamina pool, regen taking a long time, complete impotence against the stuff it's meant to be hunting while being absurdly oppressive against 2 or 3 specific animals on the roster

and well... being a pretty good large game packhunter for some ungodly reason

It was literally the exact opposite of what Carno should be imo

[limber hull]

I mean, legacy carno ended up how it was due to the way legacy was designed

[tepid gate]

No, it ended the way it did because it was designed awfully

[limber hull]

The turning system, lack of collision and such allowed it to do shit it shouldn't

Legacy itself was designed awfully

[tepid gate]

the nerfs and buffs to it were an absolute and complete nonsense

I still remember it receiving one of the best resistances to fall damage in the game... like why?

[limber hull]

We either have to shift to legacy's endurance carno or EVRIMA's ambush carno

Both polar opposites

[tepid gate]

Why would the fastest animal in the game that's supposed to be hunting in the open have the best bonebreak resistance?

[indigo hawk]

does anyone know when the next big update to evirma is

[limber hull]

Run lots = strong bones???

[tepid gate]

Pretty sure even the devs don't know that

[indigo hawk]

sad

[barren zephyr]

i mean, if we go by the time of the previous update i would say

june or july

🙂

[tepid gate]

Carno can be fixed in a couple of ways, it's down to the devs to decide what they want this animal to do though

[indigo hawk]

i love the isle but god damn tf whhy does it take so long

all i want is more dinos

[limber hull]

What are your ideas?

[tepid gate]

1. Buff up its running(and walking, trotting, standing) turn rate, keep its stamina, biteforce and acceleration bad. It relies on seeing things out in the open and running them down before they can get away from it by reaching the forest or something(basically what Carno was until now). Change charge to a different ability because this one is just completely non-sensical for an animal with this design.

2. Keep its running turn rate and biteforce hot garbage, buff up the walking, trotting, standing turn rate as well as stamina(somewhat) and acceleration(by a tonne). Charge stays the way it is. Now we have an animal that's actually pretty similar to the irl Carno - it's a missile that aims itself at you and launches itself at an enormous speed being able to charge very quickly after it started moving, it can't turn if its life depended on it and it doesn't come to a stop easily but it moves fast and it accelerates very fast.

Also - in the second case I'd probably nerf stamina regen

[limber hull]

Man, I actually LIKE the low turnrate on carno and really hated ballerina carno, since the high turnrate made its weakness of struggling to defend its flanks non-existent (same reason I disliked pachy's turnrate getting buffed so heavily). I do like accel buffs or buffs that allow it to kick into a charge quickly

[manic flint]

I like 2 alot

[limber hull]

Number 2 is my fave tho

[manic flint]

Missile carno sounds cool and like it would work

[limber hull]

Also bonus stam is good with a lower stam regen, keeps it more in the endurance while giving it a point of vulnerability when it tries to regen stam

[tepid gate]

I think that Carno being unable to turn at least decently well makes it potentially subpar for hunting in the plains and running stuff down, I genuinely don't see Carno as an ambush predator, I think it should stay the hell away from the woods(which I'd emphasise further but this would likely take some work).

It's not so much that I want it to be an endurance predator

but in option 2 it would just not be any good with its current stamina

[limber hull]

The low turn radius actually does keep it away from the woods, because, ya know, trees

[tepid gate]

you see the way I see it working is that you aim it multiple times and try to hit the target

[limber hull]

Yea, a stam buff and a regen speed nerf would be decent for the animal

[tepid gate]

If it had 50 seconds of a runtime

it would be way too easy to just outlast it

[manic flint]

I can see carno functioning well in a savannah scrubland, more cover but not many trees

[limber hull]

I think it currently has a 1 minute runtime

[barren zephyr]

carno just needs to be carno

[tepid gate]

Do note that I also suggested a buff to its turn rates(all of them aside from the running one)

What I'd do about the woods

to keep the likes of Carno out of them

is something else

So for starters most smaller animals, even the likes of Cerato and Tenonto, should be able to traverse logs

e.g. you run up to one and you just hop over it by pressing space

or your dinosaur even climbs it and jumps off on the other side

[manic flint]

Carno can't jump right?

[tepid gate]

It can't

[manic flint]

And cera can?

[barren zephyr]

why would it

[tepid gate]

It can't make its way through any obstacles

[tepid gate]

In my world it sure as hell can

[manic flint]

It should be able to

[tepid gate]

In general this isn't just about logs

[barren zephyr]

cera is kinda tiny

so

[tepid gate]

but overall stuff in the woods that should either slow down or just block Carno from moving through it

[barren zephyr]

could def do a little hop

[tepid gate]

while letting smaller animals make their way through it at varying speeds

This isn't even about jumping though

[barren zephyr]

thats one thing i liked about legacy carno, performed awfully in dense regions

[tepid gate]

these animals(smaller than Carno or outright forest dwellers) should be able to move across obstacles with relative ease

think about either climbing those

or jumping over them

just what have you - this would require some additional animations but well, animators are screwed either way

it won't hurt if we give them even some more work that would actually be useful for balancing stuff out

[barren zephyr]

i highly doubt they'll do something like that but

whatever works works i suppose

[tepid gate]

And it would help a tonne because different animals could do this at varying speeds so a Cerato can traverse the logs but it won't do it as quickly or graciously as Utah would

That's how I see it

we could also have some specific plants that outright slow you down when you move through them

with them slowing down a Carno more than they slow down smaller animals

Carno just has no business being in the woods, this of course assumes that woods become an actually playable area at some point

[barren zephyr]

yes

[tepid gate]

because they are a complete joke in Evrima right now

and I wouldn't want to go into one even if I was playing an animal specifically designed to sit in it

In general - less dense, more stuff that you can actually interact with

[barren zephyr]

the jungles/woods won't be accessible for quite awhile. it seems they want everything to be a plains dweller because the lack of actual animals in the game

[tepid gate]

I think that Carno should be dangerous, really dangerous if you're smaller than it and you're out in the open plains

but it should also get dumpstered hard by animals larger than itself and it should be atrocious in the woods/swamps/rivers and anywhere that isn't a plain

[barren zephyr]

oh yeah carno should absolutely demolish you if you're smaller than it

[tepid gate]

also mountains

[barren zephyr]

however it should suck at fighting things larger than itself

[tepid gate]

Carno should break its bones easily if it's somwhere it's not meant to be

[barren zephyr]

because charge wouldn't be a viable asset anymore

[manic flint]

Cerato should still beat up carno though imo

[barren zephyr]

if the animal is larger

[tepid gate]

I completely disagree, if they are in the open Cerato has no business fighting an animal almost twice its size

In a pack? Sure

[barren zephyr]

cerato should die if its caught by carno in the plains

[tepid gate]

1v1? Hell no

[manic flint]

Carno isn't that much bigger is it?

[barren zephyr]

its much larger

if you want irl estimates carno 2.1 tons, cera a ton

[tepid gate]

Carno's 1.8t in the game irl 2t, Cerato is ~1100kg

"1098kg" if we have to be precise

that's the largest Ceratosaurus we have

[manic flint]

I see....
So is cera not gonna be stealing carnos kills then? Sad

[barren zephyr]

in game, not confirmed how big cera will be. estimating 1.3 tons? at least i think thats a good size for it

[tepid gate]

We have no idea how big it will be

[barren zephyr]

i kinda like bleeder pitbull cera more than ceratorex

[tepid gate]

I think it has no business stealing Carno's kills unless there's multiple ceratos

since Carno's just bigger

[barren zephyr]

just grapples onto you and doesn't let go

[tepid gate]

and quite a bit bigger at that

[barren zephyr]

it would take at least 2 maybe 3 ceratos to finish a carno if it decides to fight

[tepid gate]

How do I put it... the size-comparison from the profile doesn't even do them justice. Carno is quite a bit more bulky than Ceratosaurus.

[barren zephyr]

taller and much MUCH bulkier

[limber hull]

I still believe it could steal a carno kill, just not if it runs from a mile away in the middle of the plains and the carno sees it

[manic flint]

I always imagined cera to be like tenonto, a brawler that fights off mid tiers carno size and smaller

[limber hull]

It'd need to be in either an advantageous position like a forest or close enough to surprise the carno before it can react

[barren zephyr]

i get that people want justice for cera because it was fodder in legacy, but it shouldn't be taking a carno on alone

[limber hull]

I don't think it should be killing carnos alone, no

[barren zephyr]

unless the carno is stupid enough to go into the ceras dwelling areas such as the forest

[tepid gate]

I've played this game long enough to remember Cerato when it was broken

[barren zephyr]

where it wouldn't be able to turn

[limber hull]

It should be a bully, not "haha me kill you now"

[tepid gate]

the fact that it was outright bad after the rework

does not justify it being broken again now

it simply should be balanced like every animal

[barren zephyr]

what if they make cera overtuned like they did with pachy

[manic flint]

If it got an ambush off I would imagine it would be enough to deter a carno

With bleed or something

[tepid gate]

I also don't see Cerato as an ambush hunter tbh

[barren zephyr]

bleeder cera

[tepid gate]

I think it should be an endurance hunter ATV dinosaur

that just... follows you until the end of earth

[manic flint]

Not as an ambush hunter
But stealing kills

[limber hull]

I don't really like cera being focused around hunting too much but

[tepid gate]

Idk how you're going to be ambushing a Carno that has its kills presumably in the middle of open plains where it should be hunting

[barren zephyr]

i feel like it should be able to grab a small dinosaur like a utah and flail it around like a chew toy

cera has that certain attitude

[manic flint]

Like
If a carno was too close to a jungle and a cera got the jump on it I mean

[limber hull]

I personally advocate for complete and utter nuisance cera, where its existence just pisses people off more than it does actual harm. It's grapple drains stam from its foe more than it does damage to it and it prefers to steal food rather than hunt for it on its own

[barren zephyr]

should be super deadly to things smaller than it though

[limber hull]

Well, yes

[barren zephyr]

should run for the hills if anything bigger comes near

[limber hull]

Like a utah just should get fucking destroyed by a cera, no question

But if, say, an allo approaches, cera fucking books it

Cera SHOULD be able to punch up tho

Simply because its main 1v1 matchup is quite literally bigger than it, see magy

[barren zephyr]

4 ceras seem pretty deadly to me

4-5 at least

would be a nightmare for any solo mid

4 roided pitbull racoons

[limber hull]

Cera seems like it'd have larger packs than carno

[manic flint]

That's where the fast swim speed comes in

[limber hull]

Yea exactly

[manic flint]

Definitely

[limber hull]

Even tho it's a cannibal

[manic flint]

If carno is going to be a small game hunter its group size should be 3-4 max
Cerato should be able to support more cause they can eat whatever the fuck they want

[barren zephyr]

i feel as if ceras won't like each other much but may gang up to kill something larger than themselves. then again these are players not irl animals so anything can happen

carno is a cannibal currently yet you see megapacks

[manic flint]

Cera group size 5-6 imo

[barren zephyr]

probably around there

1.2-3 tons i think would be a good size region

[manic flint]

It just seems right
1.3 tons or so

Perhaps some skull armour
Wishful thinking but

[barren zephyr]

i dunno, something tells me cerato will be ceratorex 2.0 3 shotting carnos

hope that never happens

carno should be a threat, not a prey item

[manic flint]

How much damage should cera do

[limber hull]

that would literally require cera to do 600 damage minimum lmao

that's insane

[barren zephyr]

people want that

[manic flint]

It should 2 shot pachy and Utah

[barren zephyr]

ceratorex fans want it

[manic flint]

Maybe 3 shot
Idk

[barren zephyr]

2 shots would be a little too high

maybe not

kinda like the carno thing where it 3 shots smalls like utah and pachy

[manic flint]

It should do 250 minimum

[limber hull]

250 is pretty good tbh

like that's a pretty strong bite for an animal of that size

[manic flint]

Yea
Cerato has a huge head so it makes sense imo

[tepid gate]

It's really not though - Magy is tiny too, it has like 200 kg on Cerato or something like that

iirc its size was 1325kg or something like that

[limber hull]

it's listed as 1650kg in the size chart

[tepid gate]

iirc Nova upsized it to 1650kg because Cerato was speculated to get a size buff and 1300kg Magy vs 1500 or 1600kg Cerato would've been just... oof for Magy

there is also some paleobasis to upsize it to that size but

in general Magy is a tricky animal

because there are specimens of it that are big

like actually big

but I'm pretty sure the devs didn't pick Magy with those in mind

If they wanted a 4t Sauropod they'd have chosen something else so those are rather irrelevant

[limber hull]

The most I'd like to see cera punching up is to carno level, and that's only in very specific situations

[tepid gate]

I don't view Cerato as a punch-up animal

it's quite antithetical to what this animal actually was

and there are just far better candidates to fill that role

we have Utah and Dilo who are both far more sensible choices for animals that would want to go after animals larger than itself, we don't need Cerato to be doing the same

[limber hull]

I use punch up lightly, I mean more around bullying. So it would not be able to kill a carno, but have tools to make the carno leave it alone safely

So it can grab the meat they have

[tepid gate]

I don't think Cerato should be grabbing Carno's meat at all

If the two encounter each other in the plains where Carno should be hunting and presumably having its meals Cerato should be the one in trouble

and it should run for its life

if it catches Carno in the water or in dense woods then it could have a decent chance at taking it down

[limber hull]

cerato groups could also pose a threat to carno potentially, but again, if they go running up to a carno in the middle of plains in broad daylight, they'll probs get fucking destroyed with no contest

[tepid gate]

I mean sure if it's more than one Cerato then they should go for it

If it's multiple Ceratos then I think they could bully a Carno off its kill even in the middle of the plains in broad daylight

[limber hull]

I mean, one good charge and they're stunned

[tepid gate]

They'd have to get hit with that

[limber hull]

Cera should also, imho, obliterate Pachys and other smalls who get too close

[tepid gate]

I mean it depends on how Carno actually works at the time when Cerato gets released

[limber hull]

Smalls of course should be able to generally outrun a cera

[tepid gate]

Pretty sure with how Pachy works right now it could abuse a Cerato the same way it does it against a Carno

same goes for Tenonto

as for Carno vs Cerato, if it's the current Carno then I'm pretty confident it would go down vs Cerato

like I genuinely don't view the current Carno as much of a threat as any animal

its charge is laughably easy to dodge and its stamina is so low that it I can't imagine Cerato losing against the current Carno

unless idk it turns out bad as well

[limber hull]

Hoping cera turns out well

I want a new terrestrial carnivore real bad

[tepid gate]

I want an actually working, proper terrestrial carnivore

Carno's a mess and I just don't like Utah at all

the fact that it's been in the game since the beginning and I've played it so much doesn't help it

[limber hull]

I do like utah, but I need something new. Troodon is going to be nice to see, but I'm hoping we see a larger tier animal like cera too

REALLY wish we got sucho

Instead of ptera

[manic flint]

Sucho would have solved so many damn problems

If they didn't waste so much time adding a spectator camera we could have an animal that can actually trim sub deino populations and give other animals something to actually be afraid of

Nothing is afraid of a Utah or carno rn
Everything bar stego and full grown deino in the water would be afraid of sucho

[limber hull]

Also would've solved a ton of hotspot issues

Since sucho prefers shallows

[manic flint]

Am I biased? Definitely
Are the points still valid? Yes.

[manic flint]

That too
Oasis would be desolate if suchos patrolled it

Except for stegos

[lusty seal]

im just curious wavelpoole, why dont you like my suggestion?

[limber hull]

because it would lead to apex players being godawful toxic

killing juvi apexes for the stat boosts, running down apexes from far distances just to kill them

[manic flint]

It makes it so easy for a rex to kill a Giga or something and become way too strong and start trolling

[low canopy]

you could also farm that "stat"

[limber hull]

yep

[lusty seal]

True

[limber hull]

you get stronger from farming apexes which makes it easy to farm apexes

[lusty seal]

there could be a max for stats and juvies wouldnt give you anything

[limber hull]

imagine trying to make a trike herd knowing that another trike might just kill you for the apex stat boost

[lusty seal]

I didnt mean trikes I meant carnivores

[limber hull]

still seems shitty tbh

[lusty seal]

makes sense

[manic flint]

Agree with wavepoole here
A neat idea but too exploitable

[lusty seal]

do the devs have any ideas to stop apex packing?

[manic flint]

Now it's delayed till after evrima....

[limber hull]

i mean, animals are going to not only harder to grow, but at odds with a more diverse roster with several diverse abilities

in legacy, you just bushgrew and the roster accommodated apexes specifically

in EVRIMA, we may see some animals gain the upper hand through skilled combat (that isn't fucking tailriding)

[lusty seal]

true, but I can still imagine big packs of t rexs will still come around destryoing mostly everything

Idk if skill could really help their unless you never get bitten

[manic flint]

Also diets
You gotta be constantly moving to grow
Especially as a carnivore

Honestly they should put suchomimus in the inhabitants list
We need it sooner than later

[tight oxide]

eh

Not sure if game can handle another big carnivore yet

I think bary would be better imo

[manic flint]

We can handle deino
We can handle sucho

Bary don't got no model

They were planning on adding sucho anyway

In u3

[limber hull]

The thing is with sucho and deino is that they are fish eaters

Which is great because they don't have to hunt to sustain themselves

[tight oxide]

well ofc sucho was coming sooner or later

[manic flint]

So they got infinite food

[manic flint]

Should come sooner

[tight oxide]

I dont know I think we can wait

[manic flint]

It solves many problems tho

[tight oxide]

but waters do feel empty with only deinos

[manic flint]

So it's better if it comes soon

[tight oxide]

what solves problems is kentro and sucho/bary replacing deino and stego imo

[manic flint]

Bary is too far away

Kentro I agree with

[limber hull]

Kentro at least has a model

[tight oxide]

I mean I did put /bary for a reason

[limber hull]

i dont know how i feel about bary replacing deino tho

kentro and stego are at least very similar, being both stegosaurids

bary and deino are VERY different

[manic flint]

Bary wouldn't fix it

[honest sparrow]

Bary doesn’t replace deino for obvious reasons, but it is a much healthier choice in terms of ecosystem and balance

[manic flint]

Sucho would alleviate some problems
Mainly too many deinos, hotspots and teno/pachy bodygaurding

[paper oriole]

lol do people realize how much trolls would love contagious disease in this game

imagine getting your hypsi sick and just running in to a herd of slow fucks and spreading it to them

[limber hull]

Hypsi plague rat meta?

[paper oriole]

true bubonic plague gameplay experience

[limber hull]

Always wanted to be the indirect cause of mass-death

If the diseases are non-contagious, be my guest to add them

[warm flame]

I always wanted to be the rats in the plague

[limber hull]

But the contagious ones are going to end up with an infested hypsi causing the death of entire species

Several times over

[warm flame]

mass extinction

a hypsi sneezes and everyone runs for their lives

[tepid river]

diseases dont have to spread across different species

[lavish quail]

Your getting close

I’m making a hypsi sniper rifle mod that shoots Mangos at some point

That’s if the modding isn’t professional

[tight oxide]

make crystals the cure...

jk but why not let us find some healing herbs if sicknesses come

[warm flame]

BoB

[tight oxide]

ah yes lemme get my velociraptor with its tiny teeth to eat crystals

yummy crunchy crystals

[lavish quail]

Nerf hypsi

[tight oxide]

what

[lavish quail]

It’s too fast

[tight oxide]

are you same dev that nerfed hypsi in update 3.75

[lavish quail]

And it can blind you

[tight oxide]

nerf dryo

it can kill juvies and run fast

[lavish quail]

We are on the right track but it’s still too good

[lavish quail]

Buff dryo

It need at least 50bf

[tight oxide]

no

then buff utah bite to 100n at that point

[lavish quail]

Nerf Utah bite to 20

[tight oxide]

aint no way we letting utah have 5n extra biteforce

[tight oxide]

buff its health to 1100 then

ez

[lavish quail]

And make it’s pounce slow and basically unfitting

So it doesn’t kill my carno with bleed

[valid zephyr]

@tidal crest talking and making suggestions for things not in game yet is the best time to make suggestions for them.

If an animal already has a concept, model, and is implemented, it's probably far too late to make major changes without a huge amount of work.

[barren zephyr]

@lavish quail You're being sarcastic, right?

[tight oxide]

I hope

[tame jetty]

@abstract geode Wait what?? they have scarring implemented on patchy???

[tepid gate]

Scarring is implemented in general

Not just on Pachy, it's been in the game since... update 1(aka ~28th of September 2020)?

[tame jetty]

ah wait.. sorry. Thought for a second the actual 'scar' system was in place. Where the dino would have scars after healed wounds.
Otherwise im aware that the dinosaurs get 'bloody wounds (scarring) when in battle, and that these disappear when the dino is healed up 😅

[tepid gate]

Yea that's the "scarring system" it's just the locked health

I'm pretty sure the devs don't intend on introducing any other scars into the game at thsi point

[tame jetty]

Nah prob not, really hope in near future or something tho. (the scarring system after healed wounds in POT pretty dope) so would include a nice thouch in Isle, as it is as realistic already

[outer sphinx]

we also have actual Utah that god knows what tf will do

[lavish quail]

No it was my carno main impression

[ashen wasp]

Utah's..... supposed to kill Carno with bleed, though. especially in groups. Carno's supposed to get the drop on Utah from a distance and delete it with the charge. right???

[outer sphinx]

on paper... yes

[crude girder]

Bleed is kinda hard countered by just standing still, and against a few Utahraptors, Carno can afford to stand still and brawl

against like 4 or 5 tho, things start getting pretty dicey from my experience

[outer sphinx]

like it should, more utahs should be more of a threat

[sacred moat]

I just want better optimization at this point. A NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 graphics card with settings set to all medium can barely get 20 fps on current evrima. Meanwhile on legacy, that same graphics card can run everything on cinematic with 60fps

[outer sphinx]

@tidal rose our utha isnt changing in any way, just getting renamed and prob still getting a feather model, the new utah will be its own dif thing from this one

think Novaraptor (not the new name just an ex)

[tidal rose]

@outer sphinx Well, shrinking the model isn't exactly changing it

[outer sphinx]

also velo is slated for evrima

[tidal rose]

No change needed, just make it smaller

velo is like half the weight of a deinonychus tho

Literally I didn't suggest a single change besides shrink it a bit

[lavish quail]

Idc about models all the homies want austro

[outer sphinx]

its not getting shrinked tho, maybe some weight changes but esentailly is staying unchanged, the accurate utah isnt taking its place

the accurate utah is a whole new addition with this one just having a dif name

[tidal rose]

well, dondi said its in the hands of the person who requested it. So idk whats so bad about me putting in a suggestion in case that person is watching

he said its out of his hands, sooo anything could happen

[outer sphinx]

ye i just remember thats what it was said

hm, didnt see that part ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tidal rose]

let me see

@outer sphinx https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/855527844670865438/932712123056943166/unknown.png

so, the person who takes control of the situation could go

hmm, lets shrink the current utah and call it a deinonychus. Or they could just do something else

Either way, I didn't think the suggestion would hurt anyone

[outer sphinx]

wait, did a dev request real utah or just someone else and they accepted?

[tidal rose]

i think its a dev

[outer sphinx]

seeing as they hired a new dev...

[tidal rose]

one of the devs has taken over that role

they hired a new dev?

when?

[outer sphinx]

a bit ago, a new VFX artist iirc

not in the discord, like a lot of other devs aparently, eh their choice

[tidal rose]

right

well, who knows. Some dev wants a real utah and I salute them

[outer sphinx]

since ik each dev could choose a dino of their own to be in the game the new dev prob was the one that requested irl utah as the timming kinda fits

[tidal rose]

Maybe, yeah

Wait, devs get to choose a dinosaur? thats rad

[outer sphinx]

all i want to know tho is who requested rhino bc pretty sure thats how it got here, i salute them

[valid zephyr]

if nychus was in it's different enough to be its own thing. Don't turn isletah into nychus

[outer sphinx]

ye each one choose 1 dino to be in game, dondi chosse alberto, pretty sure someone choose rhino etc

Resuru becomes a dev to request a dino

[tidal rose]

Lol i wish

I don't have the skill in any field except spitting out ideas rapidly to be a dev

all I can do is rapid fire ideas, not exactly a valued skill

idk what i would even request tbh. I don't really have a favorite dinosaur

I might ask for something weird like Ambopteryx

lol, basically think dinosaur with bat wings

[outer sphinx]

most of my fav are already in, dromeosuars as a whole, rhino, proto, bary

[tidal rose]

which is cool that dinosaurs evolved flight not just once basically, even though they went extinct

[outer sphinx]

i'd just ask for Balaur or Zalmoxes to give Maggy a bretherin

[lusty seal]

@lament pecan I agree with you man, I miss the pine and birch forests. Super good

Im not sure why I said that, I guess I just agree a lot, sorry for ping XD

[lusty seal]

have they said anything to as to why they made it jungle?

[barren zephyr]

@buoyant island its almost as if people can't be bothered sit around and wait for carnivores to attack them and have to find other things to have fun with, as well as players realising their species' population is getting too high and will begin to ruin the server

[steel flower]

@buoyant island why do you hate fun?

1. Harassing a herbivore herd as a carnivore and forcing them to hit their babies on accident is a ton of fun and that would be deleted if you got rid of friendly fire on herbis
2. I will not be forced to spare you just because you pressed the 2 key. Maybe I don't want to share the food with you, maybe I don't want you to stay around me and attract carnivores, maybe I simply wanna kill you for fun
3. Imagine the amount of trolling you could do if the feature you suggested was added into the game. Imagine a Herbie walking up to you and spamming 1 call to attract carnivores towards you and you can't even kill them to shut them up.
   Use more than 2 braincells next time you leave feedback.

[echo tiger]

I love herbivore KOSing

its too fun, i'd hate to see it go away

[tidal crest]

i wasnt talking about dino concepts im referring to gameplay etc. people talking about adding dinos when the diet system is still trash and the performance of the game makes a 3090 get 20fps...

[sacred moat]

What the fuck is a “cannibal herbivore” killing your own species does not deem you as a cannibal.

[stray holly]

@buoyant island

[buoyant island]

The three notes above, that i'd say is fair enough in pestering. there would be ways around it, but fair to note that as an issue. otherwise, username checks out.

'Cannibal' herbivore is just a term i hear a lot in game for it because most players are use to killing same species being cannis, hence i hear a lot of people call herbis who do it 'cannis' even though they aren't.

And That gif? Hippos aren't herbivores, they very much each meat.

[tepid gate]

Well in general - someone could post that gif of a rhino charging a herd of buffalos, or the one where an elephant goes angry and goes after a rhino.

[stray holly]

[tepid gate]

In general herbivores are very aggressive

And I don't think you should safe approaching another Stego as a younger Stego

there's also a lore reason behind it all

It seems that the animals that we're playing aren't actually just normal animals

from what I've heard those have human consciousness implanted in them

so you can technically expect them to do all kinds of nasty stuff that a human would do

[buoyant island]

Persian. look up a hippo eating a zebra. they aren't herbivores, they eat meat.

Other than that, yes. it is more fitting with other herbivores. however, the lore note is new to me. That helps, thank you

[tepid gate]

I don't think it's set in stone

it's just what I've heard, it was mentioned in passing by quite a couple of people at different points

but in general those aren't normal animals for sure, that much is a given

[stray holly]

Google is stupid

Doesn’t take away from the fact that herbivores do challenge each other for resources.

[barren zephyr]

a gif i sent that i deleted because the mods scare me and idk whats acceptable had a zebra kicking an impala baby simply because it felt like it

[stray holly]

Your post very much portrays the energy of “I don’t like this aspect of the game, therefore everyone and their mom should be forced to play the way I want to play.”

[buoyant island]

Can agree google is stupid, and for resources yes but herbivores don't make habits out of killing for fun. that is the key. the lore note is important to hear though so that's good to hear

[echo tiger]

I've killed herbivores as a stego just now, if i want to kill my own faction then i am gonna do it. Policing player behaviour is dumb unless it's corpse guarding or whatever which physically denies the player a resource that they need to actually play the game, fighting and killing eachother is always outplayable to some lesser or greater extent unless you're a juvi

[tidal rose]

Yall realize that most herbivores eat meat when given a chance? Doesn't change the fact they are herbivores. Horses, cows and deer will eat birds if given the chance. Some researchers set up traps for birds to study them and caught on camera that when it happened the deer would instantly eat the birds. There is footage of horses and cows eating baby chickens, squirrels eating mice.

Herbivores can be opportunistic like that if they are lacking minerals in their system, but if you gave them nothing but meat or even half of their diet as meat they would die, hence they cannot be labeled as carnivores or omnivores. Hippos are herbivores that do occasionally eat meat, just like many other animals @buoyant island

[valid zephyr]

Even deer eat meat when it's around

and don't make me get banned posting the gif of the horse eating the bird.

[stray holly]

It’s like the player Deinos and Carnos that run around being “Cannibal Police.” Makes no sense.

[valid zephyr]

Almost any herbivore will eat available meat if it's available.

[tidal rose]

Yeah, herbivores can be just as hostile as carnivores, simple as that.

If you are a small animal, you cannot feel safe near a big herbivore

[stray holly]

It doesn’t even have to do much with resources like food. Both Rhinos AND hippos have been observed to murk shit on sight, just for the sake of it.

[valid zephyr]

A carnivore has to make an informed judgement about if picking that fight is worth it.

A herbivore instantly assumes it's on the menu and chooses violence.

[stray holly]

So it’s not unrealistic to have stegos going around murdering each other.

Or Tenos.

[valid zephyr]

elephants murder other herbis.

[tidal rose]

Here are other examples of hostility without food requirements.

Farmers keep donkeys in their ranches because donkeys will actively murder anything dog shaped with high prejudice. Making donkeys great guards for livestock. That's just engrained in their nature. Heck they can even fight off a hyena apparently

[echo tiger]

But where do you guys draw the line? Balancing the game around realistic concepts is a shit-show that's just unsatisfactory in the grand scheme of things

[valid zephyr]

horses will spawnwipe lambs for shits and giggles.

[stray holly]

The only thing I would do is add a discomfort meter. Like if you’re bodyguarding, the discomfort goes up and it starts affecting your stats or your vision in some way.

[tidal rose]

Where I draw the line? The only things I am against is mixpacking, but if herbivores, carnivores or anything wants to murder their own kind, by all means.

@stray holly bad idea. You could easily troll a system like that. Imagine some animal nesting and a carnivore purposely dies on their nest. Welcome to discomfort zone, population you. you can't even drag the body away from your nest.

[valid zephyr]

I ended up killing a bunch of small maias as trike as they tried to hide under me from carnos.

3 called a lot, they ignored me, so stabby stabby I go.

[buoyant island]

in my opinion mixpacking depends too. like pteras i'm more ok with it seeing like crocs or hippos wit hbird or sharks and whales with small fish

basically - small bottomfeeder/picker

[valid zephyr]

Yep carnis will intentionally suicide onto herbi nests to make them have to leave and start over.

[tidal rose]

@buoyant island That one I think is bad because the animals we play in the isle are human intelligence, and people wouldn't play them like hippos and birds. pteras become scouts

[echo tiger]

I agree with the notion of adding some mechanic such as disease or discomfort, since if there is a carcass herbivorous animals tend to be lacking in vital immune-associated proteins that provide enhanced immune responses to pathogens, so they tend to move away from literal rancidville.

[buoyant island]

true, a good point

[stray holly]

I would t mind deinos being able to lay on the banks of a river and let Pteras clean their teeth or something.

[valid zephyr]

Or if bodies do cause discomfort, let herbis push/drag bodies away from their nests.

[stray holly]

That’s like a symbiotic relationship as a mechanic.

[tidal rose]

Yes but then herbivores would get trolled if they can't be nearb odies

[echo tiger]

Yeah im in agreement with that.

Though that also opens ground for some wee trolling to an extent

[tidal rose]

If herbies can drag corpses away, then by all means

[stray holly]

Herbivores could also just drag a body into a terrible spot in accessible to the carnivore as well though

[tidal rose]

i guess

Yeah thats true, bodyguarding would become way worse if herbies can drag all the corpses in one protected pile

[echo tiger]

Yeah

[valid zephyr]

Like imagine one utah suiciding into a huge trike nesting grounds. Tanks the entire herds comfort and makes them all have to destroy all their eggs and leave.

Only for the same utah to do it again in 30 mins.

[echo tiger]

Thats pretty funny tbh for the people that aren't the trikes atleast

[stray holly]

Maybe it would encourage people to find the most secluded nesting grounds possible.

Thus upping map exploration

[valid zephyr]

and completely ruins the game for any large herbivore trying to nest

[echo tiger]

I mean it would give incentive for herbivores to let the carnivores eat the body too though as well

[valid zephyr]

inb4 using the devs nesting grounds concept is compulsory if you want to nest.

[tidal rose]

To be fair, from personal experience. Many herbivores also just don't give a shit about corpses. I lived in scotland for a while and they have sheep running around on cliffs and fields and whatever. I have seen MULTIPLE times that a sheep has died and is rotting next to the herd and they are just chilling and grazing near it without a concern.

[valid zephyr]

and every nesting grounds is camped by carni megapacks

[stray holly]

While this is a valid point. This is something to look at from a game balance perspective, not a realistic/real life perspective.

[echo tiger]

But at the same time those sheep most likely got some type of pathogen from the carcass, to name a few probably Heliobacter, Cryptococcus, Strept pyogenes and all sorts of nasty shit.

[tidal rose]

@stray holly I see more trolling than good from that feature.

[echo tiger]

Dont even get me started on the fungi

[tidal rose]

In fact bodyguarding is going to become far easier soon. When gore comes out you only have to guard the corpse untill it spoils and the dinosaur cant eat it,.

[echo tiger]

Except cerato

but even then cerato wont be good enough to tango with the literal megaherds that only go for 1 diet and just sit together once fully grown

[stray holly]

In my experience, I’ve found that just running off into the forest and watching someone camp a body. They eventually get bored and move on.

But I know that isn’t liable when you’re about to starve to death.

[echo tiger]

There has to be detriments for 1 diet for the mega-herds to actually be stopped since its too easy to just infinitely sustain atm, theres no actual incentive to follow your diet when you're fully grown either

Its literally a pointless mechanic

[stray holly]

I feel like removing grazing would help remedy that.

[echo tiger]

I mean to an extent yeah but theres always going to be diets in plains, its not that hard to find them when you're full.

[stray holly]

Never understood why herbivores get a crutch in starvation situations and carnivores don’t

[echo tiger]

Sure you have to contend with surprise carno potentially but even then, if you pay attention and have good awareness you're fine

[tidal rose]

because grass is edible by most herbivores and carnivores have an easier diet when they spawn in, id say it evens out

so their crutch is kinda okay

[echo tiger]

I mean sure, but past 50% you're fucked if you're not on full diets

[stray holly]

There is no crutch for an adult carnivore, while the adult herbivore keeps that crutch for the rest of its life

[echo tiger]

You cant even physically get your diet half the time to full since nobody plays the shit you require to eat.

[tidal rose]

I mean, if you are a land carnivore

[echo tiger]

The only herbivore that can't get its diet full initally is Pachy cause of the coconut problem

[tidal rose]

Pteras and deinos kinda have it easy

[stray holly]

Deinos will never starve. You’re right.

[tidal rose]

ive never lost a deino to starvation. ever

[echo tiger]

I've not bothered with ptera or deino given they're just complete wastes of time to play

[stray holly]

Neither have I.

The amount of fish AI and smaller deinos ensures you’ll always have a source of food.

[echo tiger]

One is just an oversized balance issue that gets bodied by stegos (as it should) and the other is just spectator mode

It was a mistake to add the croc imo

It just served to fuck the map up and be completely useless but that's just me

[tidal rose]

Also btw, I think I remember punch saying that they as devs dont like the whole proximity to corpses making herbies sick thing for the exact trolling reasons as states before. Ill try to find a quote, one sec

[echo tiger]

But they're ok with bodyguarding and just having the opposite extreme happen right?

[tidal rose]

I mean don't ask me

I aint a dev

[echo tiger]

I'm yanking your chain

[stray holly]

The Deino is the only thing that should be able to curb the mega amount of stegos that roam the map. But they can’t because 1. They’re vastly underpowered compared to the stego, and 2. The map design doesn’t help them to hunt the stegos either.

[echo tiger]

But the map was redesigned for them initally from update 2's map for whatever reason

When that map was perfectly fine for deino

[tidal rose]

Not sure if it was punch but I do remember it

[echo tiger]

They just made the map worse and made deino worse because of the map being worse. It makes no sense to me

[tidal rose]

maybe it was kissen

[stray holly]

Deinos actually stood a chance because their alt bite didn’t drain stamina.

[echo tiger]

Their alt bite should drain stamina

[stray holly]

I agree it should.

[echo tiger]

The fact it didnt made it impossible to kill.

[stray holly]

But if that’s the case they gotta increase its bite force substantially to contend with these stegos.

But if they do that, it’ll make life worse for every other playable

[echo tiger]

Or just remove it since it is fundementally a poorly designed playable.

[tidal rose]

deinos alt does drain stamina lol

or did they undo that?

because it does

[echo tiger]

We're talking about update 3's inital release deino

[tidal rose]

it has like... 10 alt bites before its empty

[echo tiger]

It never used to drain stam

[tidal rose]

Ohhhhhhhhh okay

[stray holly]

Update 3’s deinos we’re invincible on land

Or, they could nerf the amount of damage stegos do.

Maybe decrease it’s health.

[stray holly]

They’re never gonna remove a fully functional playable. Sorry to say.

[low canopy]

i would not be so sure

[echo tiger]

To be brutally honest, and i'm probably going to ruffle a few feathers here.

It's a giant croc, what the fuck do people expect it would do? It's going to be water-locked and on land its going to be helpless as it should be. It wont be able to catch anything that has two brain cells and realises "oh, i probably shouldn't be near the water." and just never go near the water until they're full adult (especially sucho and fucking spino given that deino cant even grab them if its staying at 8T weight) Every single aquatic has that magical ability of "Oh im just going to go on land, fuck you deino." and just circumvent the entire playstyle.

You could make the argument that oh you can just place vital diets in rivers for fishers because fishers, but even then there will be ways and means to circumvent the entire deino playstyle.

Deino's fundemental flaw is that it cannot interact with the other playables in any meaningful way without being borked and completely OP, and that the literal best counters is to either: Play stego, or just run away. Hardly a fucking good design for a playable imo.

[tidal rose]

I can't find a quote, sooo take what I said with a big block of salt about them saying it

[echo tiger]

Thats alright mate.

But fucking i just cannot stand deino because of what actually has to be changed in order to make it a viable playable.

And even then the gameplay is just get the first bite in, or just hold RMB. very engaging gameplay right ther.e

[tidal rose]

I just dont want to spend a hour searching for the quote when I can be doing productive things lol

[low canopy]

and even if you make it "viable", lunge just wipes out good portion of other playables below 4tons

[echo tiger]

Yeah

It can never be balanced given how piss poorly thought out it's mechanics are and it just has nothing to offer thats actually actively engaging, its just AFKing and hoping you get lucky, if i wanted to fish for kills i'd just play a fishing sim game or go angling irl tbh,

[tidal rose]

Maybe some one from the QA said it and my brain just mixed it up, owell. Im dipping out from the convo, yall have fun

But final thing ill say. @echo tiger I actually really like deino gameplay. Its not for everyone but I love sitting in an ambush and killing something. Its just my playstyle, i love it. But I can see why lots of people would hate it.

[echo tiger]

Thats fair enough, each to their own but the changes to the map and the changes needed for it to be a viable playable aren't warranted given the 5% that actually like the gameplay loop of deino, as selfish as it is to say.

[tidal rose]

Oh I agree, changes need to be made to favor deino more. I have never died to a deino as another dinosaur from an ambush (ive died when harassing them on land etc). If you just are careful enough, you will never die to them lol

I just never drink in a river. I drink either at shallows or pond. Anyways im out for real now

[echo tiger]

Alright man take care

[limber hull]

@tiny agate that's already a thing, we already have community servers

[tiny agate]

Not really, last time I was in Evrima, it was just official ones.
And it went into more than just community servers, but giving people the option to modify their communities to a playstyle that would benefit others.

Not everyone wants forced in game pack limits, some like me, would love to have unlimited pack numbers.
I just want to see the isle allow people freedom in gameplay

[limber hull]

Did you try switching to the community tab

[tepid gate]

That means you probably had your search set up to "official"

you can change that to "unofficial"

and the community servers should start showing then

Having said that - last I've checked they were pretty deserted when compared to the official ones I think?

I did take a look just once though so do take it with a grain of salt

[limber hull]

yea unofficial are super deserted

[tiny agate]

Ah I see
But still, no one plays Evrima anyways. It's bland and boring.

[tepid gate]

People do play officials relatively quite a bit I think lately

over the past month or so

Not speaking about myself, I genuinely can't get myself to play it since update 4 landed but it was alright before that I'd say

[limber hull]

I find legacy to be more bland and boring honestly

[tepid gate]

Idk about bland and boring but I do think legacy currently gives more fun for the time invested

[tiny agate]

My suggestion really was just giving owners of servers the ability to customize it.

Legacy is a buggy mess, but I would take it more than Evrima.

[tepid gate]

And yea the rest of the feedback was alright imo

[tiny agate]

Thank you

[tepid gate]

I think group numbers and even perhaps stats should be up for server owners to decide

growth times

all the other stuff like that should be customisable imo

Perhaps throw in a little window that says whether the server uses the official stats or if it's been tinkered with when you hover it?

[tiny agate]

Exactly, give more freedom to people and how they'd like to play
Hmm, that could be interesting

[tepid gate]

And then perhaps give an option to the server owners to describe the changes and what not on their servers

[icy lion]

It's been planned to add more customization to servers, but we're not sure when

[limber hull]

I personally think we should save global chat for sandbox mode imho

[tepid gate]

I disagree, if some survival server wants to have a global chat why shouldn't they?

[tiny agate]

I think global chat should be optional server to server, let the owners decide.

[tepid gate]

^

I personally never viewed it as an issue in Evrima in general, I found the game far more entertaining with it

[limber hull]

i've always hated global

[tepid gate]

People sometimes gave me something to read while I was growing

atm it's just alt+tab and do something else

or outright alt+f4

[tiny agate]

yup

[limber hull]

i found it a way to assist teaming, metagaming and toxicity more than anything useful

[tepid gate]

I've seen it used to mixpack a bit but I much preferred it when people mixpacked via global than the way they started doing it after global was removed which is via voicechat making it far more cancerous and more difficult to deal with

metagaming - idk what you mean by that

toxicity wasn't that common in Evrima tbh

I think I made like one report throghout the entire time I've spent on Evrima when global chat was enabled

and I've seen one other instance of someone saying something that really had no place in the game

in the second case the guy got banned by Punch for all kinds of egregious remarks that he made

not that I didn't see those after the global was removed

people are just as toxic, they just don't get to go on for that long

[limber hull]

eh, i guess its personal, but i think that having infinite groups and global chat would be far better for sandbox rather than some bastardised survival mode

[tiny agate]

Which is where community servers come in and you can play the way you like, while others play the way they like :)

[limber hull]

i just find it ends up splitting the community

Rather than having set modes with different options depending on the modes, you'll just have a bunch of different ways to play that no one can decide on

And you sever the community in all kinds of different ways

[tepid gate]

How do you "sever the community"? You just let the server owners decide what kind of experience they want to provide their playerbase with. The devs have specifically said that they want to allow them to customise as much as possible, unless there was some change in the view on that afterwards.

Why should we have to wait for mods to have something as simple as this in the game?

It shouldn't require a whole separate mod for the server owners to be able to tinker with growth times, group sizes and other things of this kind.

[tepid river]

the community is split regardless and people already turn to community servers for specific play styles as it is. thats just how the isle always has been- body down servers, single species herd servers, etc. allowing server owners better control over rules they already use and enforce isn't a bad thing, it just makes it easier to manage

[icy lion]

@minor junco Did you time that yourself? Because if thay's what's currently happening that's a MASSIVE bug. 24hrs is meant to be 90 minutes or so

[limber hull]

jesus lmao

[tepid gate]

I've heard similar statements before

apparently the time was going very slowly in the game

[limber hull]

that's upsetting

[tepid gate]

It's a bit annoying but I found that to be relatively insignificant when I last played the game

[limber hull]

@gray loom already planned, that's always been the intended plan for them in EVRIMA

[tepid gate]

Let's just say that I think the game has far more pressing issues than the rate at which the time passes, although this should be much easier to fix than all the significant problems

[limber hull]

i mean at least we dont have U3 nights otherwise it'd be really unbearable

[tepid gate]

What was wrong with update 3 nights?

I genuinely don't remember anything particular about them

[manic flint]

they were just dark

[tepid gate]

I haven't noticed nights getting darker or brighter over time tbh

[limber hull]

new nights are much brighter as i've seen

old nights were just blackness

[tight oxide]

Was so hard to see that even with gamma it was hard to see

[jovial crow]

@stray holly what's your secret?

[stray holly]

Eat everything. Even if it isn’t on your diet.

[jovial crow]

I do it, but is never enough for me

[gusty patrol]

after starting to starve finally found a scent of dead carcass, turns out it died from fall damage and so did i

[stray holly]

Rip.

[stray holly]

Do you eat other carnos?

[jovial crow]

Of course, I do the yeah join my group strategy

[stray holly]

I see.

[limber hull]

that's a pretty lame strat

just kill the fuckers

[stray holly]

Other adult carnos are a big part of me and my pack mates diet. That’s how we we’ve been able to survive the past 4 days.

[jovial crow]

Is or that or kos

[limber hull]

what

what the fuck does that mean

[jovial crow]

Only can be two strats, join my group bait or KOS

[limber hull]

join my group bait is honestly worse than bodyguarding imho lmao

[jovial crow]

No

[limber hull]

yes

[jovial crow]

No, carnos did eat other carnos, stegos did not guard bodies

[limber hull]

what, the peabrain idiot animal didn't stand on a corpse every once in a while? don't be so sure

[jovial crow]

Guarding a corpse and accidentally be for some secs close to a corpse is different

[limber hull]

also, carno may have cannibalised, but it didn't fucking mindgame it's prey into thinking they were friends to backstab

no, the fucker just ran up to what it wanted to kill and killed it

if my prey escapes me, good on them, i'm not going to play like a dickhead and feign friendship for an easier kill

far more toxic than any body guarding

[stray holly]

Yeah. Me and my packmate just go for the target before it even knows we’re there. That’s the most effective way to go about it in my opinion.

[limber hull]

Ambush works much better

[stray holly]

It really just boils down to this

Utahs can afford to be picky with their food. Carnos cant.

I’ve found myself eating stegos, deinos, and other ai not on my diet to keep my stomach full.

I’m so full on the nutrients from the stuff that is on my diet that eating things not on the diet isn’t a huge deal.

https://tenor.com/view/survivalofthefitness-tpb-ricky-humanharvest407-gif-22354041

[drifting cape]

bruh no one wants apexes lmaoooo

[visual surge]

probs all the try harding utahs

[drifting cape]

ye lmaooo

[limber hull]

or the people who know that putting an apex carnivore in an environment with only pseudo-mids and smalls is going to be a really bad idea lmao. The only exception to this is deino and stego

[stray holly]

I’m waiting to go back to my T. rex reign of terror whenever it gets added.

[drifting cape]

lmaooo people think carnos cant escape rexes right ?

[limber hull]

that's not the problem

the problem is that the carnos and utahs will very easily escape rexes

[drifting cape]

dont think stego will die to rex lmao

[limber hull]

so...

what does rex eat?

[drifting cape]

i dont know

[limber hull]

if it can't kill stego and can't kill carno and can't kill utah and can't kill deino or really ANYTHING on the roster

[drifting cape]

how am i supposed to know xD

bruh did i say it took no skill lmaooo

[limber hull]

because you're the one requesting a rex..?

[drifting cape]

yes i am ?

[stray holly]

Is stego supposed to be on the same tier as trikes and shants?

[limber hull]

trikes, yes. Shants, I think?

[drifting cape]

ok ok not worth arguing with this xD

[limber hull]

Shants are very big idk if they are their own tier

[stray holly]

I figured they’d be a tier below them. Like in Legacy.

[limber hull]

Nah they ain't, they're defined as apexes

Just very small apexes

[stray holly]

I wouldn’t be mad if they added the sub adult Rex and just kept the adult locked till they add more big things.

Buff it to where it can hunt stegos in packs.

[signal beacon]

Stego isn't as big big as the other apex herbivores but has the hardest hitting attack iirc

[limber hull]

It's defence is less armour and more damage

Not really tanky, very painful

[stray holly]

Only thing is.

I wonder how combat is gonna be when these apexes get added

It might feel really clunky.

[limber hull]

I'd imagine stego would need a buff

Like a walking tail swipe behind it

Sweep away pursuers on its ass

While keeping distance

[signal beacon]

Yea cause if rex was added with current stego rex could easily face tank it

[limber hull]

Likely

[stray holly]

Right. Then it’d just be a case of run up on your prey and bite it till it dies. Which feels so un interactive with the current combat mechanics that all the Dinos we have now utilize.

[signal beacon]

Rex has more health and a faster attack rate and equal damage

Adding any land apex right now would just kill the game

[limber hull]

I don't think it'd have equal damage honestly

[signal beacon]

People would only pick the apex carnivore

[limber hull]

Very true

[stray holly]

The amount of food required to sustain one just isn’t in the game right now.

I honestly believe when these apexes are added, their biggest source of food would be other apexes.

[limber hull]

yep

[signal beacon]

I think most apexes should be able to cannibalize in moderation

[stray holly]

Like my biggest source of food as a carno right now is other carnos. Not only is it the most abundant food (in my experience), it also keeps my competition’s numbers down. Which is good for me in the long run.

[outer sphinx]

shant are supposed to represent edmo which rex did hunt

[limber hull]

I honestly hope they drop carno cannibalism once they add the actual cannibal animals. As I'm aware, carno cannibalism is more of a test on how cannibalism would work in an animal focused on land like carno, and utah was out of the equation because pack predator

Deino only got cannibalism because its food is really limited to water

Cerato cannibalism for example, whenever that comes out

[stray holly]

The purpose cannibalism serves is to encourage predators to regulate their own numbers, as well as the number of herbivores on the map.

[limber hull]

Which is fair

Especially with carno being the current apex

[stray holly]

It doesn’t serve that purpose rn because so many people are anti cannibals

[limber hull]

But with a larger roster with larger animals, carno won't be on top and thus won't need to moderate its own numbers as much

[signal beacon]

"W- why are you canballs!!??"

[stray holly]

https://tenor.com/view/breakfast-be-like-skull-so-hungry-i-could-gif-11496822

[outer sphinx]

takes sip from trusty Vault 13 canteen

[stray holly]

Lmao

Like the mindset I have when I’m playing carno. All other carnos not in my pack are competition. If we take out that competition, 1. It’s a source of food. And 2. Gives the other herbivores I need on my diet list a longer time to grow, so me and my pack can eat them.

Basically, I want to ensure me and my pack are the ones running the server.

That’s the same mindset I’ll have when I’m a Rex.

[outer sphinx]

this would be the mindset of basically every carni, with exceptions like utah and troo who are very social and pack oriented

tho usually this comes bc of territory which either isnt a popular idea or just not gonna be a thing

[limber hull]

territory would be cool but also weird

[outer sphinx]

we would need a really good map, and i mean like on a whole new level for a territory system to make sense and work

[limber hull]

like some animals don't seem territorial, some do

[barren zephyr]

yeah, and then sometimes territories may be formed by groups as well as individuals

[limber hull]

carno and utah, for example, would imo, not give a fucking shit about territories and just run around and kill shit

[stray holly]

Right.

[outer sphinx]

imo utah would very much care, especially with them beeing made to live anywhere

[barren zephyr]

nomadic species dont have much use for territories, then some species which do have clear restricted ranges also may not be territorial

some animals form territories only seasonally (e.g. lekking birds such as grouse)

[stray holly]

I think territories will be established in a low key way when they spread the diets out to specific regions already though. Wherever the stegos/pachys are, that’s where the Utahs are gonna be. Wherever the tenos/pachys are gonna be, that’s where the carnos are gonna be. Just because that’s where their diet food is located.

[brittle stirrup]

the issue with territory, at least in my experience as a realism player, is what about herbivores? sure herbivores move around a lot due to vegetation amounts lower and then its time to move on, but when nesting certain dinosaurs do consider the area to be their territory for that time, for example trikes, their semi nomadic always moving due to their large numbers and need for food (and by large numbers i mean 6, as thats what i find the max number can be sustained by big locations like great falls etc) but when their nesting they lay claim to that area

[stray holly]

Realism. 🤢

[brittle stirrup]

i think this way of territory establishment would work best, but it shouldnt be implemented themselves by the devs with them going "you here, and you here and when you 1 and 3 call, this is yours"

[brittle stirrup]

realism helps people i find, especially with the game becoming more, whats this? realistic...

[stray holly]

Meh. I played on a few realism servers back in the day. I could never get past the “fear lists” of some of them. Just thought they were dumb.

[outer sphinx]

you do realise that realims in evrima is nothing like in legacy right? not even close

[stray holly]

Isla Nycta, if you’ve ever played on it, isn’t even a realism server and some of their rules… just… oh my god. It’s more of a “memorize your 10 commandments simulator” than a dinosaur game.

[brittle stirrup]

fear lists were just to monitor people basically thinking they could take on whatever they pleased, like a single utah hunting a rex, it was possible cuz we were humans, but realistically a pack hunter low tier doing it alone? never

[brittle stirrup]

ive played on all servers mwahahahah, but its important to have rules to ensure the enjoyment of others, which is one of the reasons why evirma is gonna change these things so we dont NEED those rules

[stray holly]

Guess you’re right. Just isn’t for me. I enjoy the environment of the Official servers where you can do pretty much whatever you want.

[stray holly]

Have you played realism in Evrima? What’s it like? If you have? Haven’t played it.

[brittle stirrup]

its not for everyone, but some people dont like losing their dinosaur for no reason other then someone wanted to fight

[outer sphinx]

i played on 1 basically, and there where like what.. 12 realism rules and like 16 just dont be an ass rules

[stray holly]

Was it actually a populated server?

[brittle stirrup]

may i know what server?

[outer sphinx]

yes, had back in u3 peak 3 full 100 servers

[outer sphinx]

NERF

[stray holly]

Yeah for sure. If the devs can figure out how to make the game work better in ping perfect’s servers I’m sure those communities would thrive.

[brittle stirrup]

...i cant tell if ur just yelling or if thats its name, you mind inviting me? love to play it

[outer sphinx]

rn its dead as fuck but back before u3 and after it was very popular

[brittle stirrup]

oh dang another dead server...i thought it was active...

hold up, wasnnt the count down 15 before its 5 now

[outer sphinx]

nah, rn basically every unofficial is dead as fuck

[stray holly]

The game doesn’t run well on community servers unfortunately.

[brittle stirrup]

ya, im not too into combat, im more of a fleer which is why i wanna play MAIA

[lavish quail]

Why an apex of all things

Like Stego probably could fight it but like what is it gonna do other than starve

[sacred moat]

The game doesn’t run well in general unless you have a nasa computer

[stray holly]

I think that’s gonna be the unfortunate reality for some people over the next few years. The devs might not take the time to optimize the game for lower end computers

[outer sphinx]

or computers in general

[sacred moat]

It’s not even lower end computers. I’m able to run games like red dead redemption 2 with high graphics and get solid 50-60 frames. But ever since update 4 I’m practically playing a slide show simulator. Update 3 was pretty stable

[sacred moat]

Literally

The main reason I switched back to legacy tbh

[stray holly]

The game runs great in certain areas. Like I get 70-90 FPS in a shrubbery filled forest on most of the map. But when I get to a minimum shrubbery area like Oasis, it turns into slide show simulator.

[sacred moat]

If I look at more than 3 people in the same area, the game has a heart attack

And again, this was never a problem until update 4

[stray holly]

Yeah. Everything gameplay wise I’ve really enjoyed for Update 4. Even latency/ping has been with minimal issues. Just the damn frame drops and random fatal errors that really suck.

@last bane I agree that an update that took 7 months to release shouldn’t have had big issues like the frame drops and random fatal errors

[last bane]

yeah honestly I've been playing the isle for way too long now. So I don't have the patience for this game anymore. Everything is just getting boring like Evrima just lacks content for me. I feel like I just see the same stuff all the time and Evrima has been out for over 2 years now xD I really don't know why everything just takes super super long to do. I can't be happy in Legacy because how broken it is there and Evrima is just boring with broken updates and un-balanced things.

they also really need to work on the games performance. They literally said that Evrima will run better than Legacy and here people are getting errors and low FPS. I have friends how can run Legacy and play it just fine and now they can't even play Evrima because of the FPS. It's just not fair for those kind of people. So they really need to work on fixing that stuff around that area too.

but ofc... in like 5 years from now everything should be fine... I hope

[idle ibex]

i don’t even have performance issues, I got a new pc which runs this game with 70+ FPS with epic settings so it’s not an issue for me anymore. but even then, after I can “enjoy” evrima to the fullest extent, straight up uninstalled the game cause it so boring in its current state

[stray holly]

I guess Evrima is just an acquired taste for most. I play with friends in a discord group so it makes the experience a lot more fun than playing solo or with randoms.

[tight oxide]

Play with friends

Way more fun tbh

[idle ibex]

yeah my ONLY friend who actually plays dinosaur survival games, only plays PoT. which honestly I don’t know what they do different from the isle but I can actually play it on my own and have fun (mostly play on the wwd community server cause there’s growth without needing to do quests there)

[tight oxide]

Pot is very different lmao

Faster updates and i guess a proper objective

But only downside are some dinos dont feel as special

[stray holly]

I’ve said it before.

Path of Titans just feels like Genshin Impact with dinosaurs.

Don’t find it fun in the slightest.

[lavish quail]

The 10 dryo army is the best

[idle ibex]

haven’t played genshin before, so idk if the comparison is accurate

[echo tiger]

Realism has no place in EVRIMA anymore, it was a thing in legacy since legacy's combat is fucking dumb

[tight oxide]

Or 20 utah megapack

Legit we murdered everyone at oasis

Even stegos

But not deinos...

[tight oxide]

Realism should just be a option for dinos

Like how dondi said realistic utah will come

So why not do same for everyone

If you really want die hard realsm

[echo tiger]

I meant as in the servers

like the ones with infinite rule-lists n shit

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr So then what do you suggest is a good speed

?

Well im not sure. I guess the trot is not as fast as a utahraptor or carno in full sprint but still faster than their trots

I meant run speed

[sacred moat]

Realistic-ish Utah model would be cool, but realistic utah stats in TI would be a nightmare to play with

[echo tiger]

It has realistic stats

right?

[outer sphinx]

kinda.. its way way faster but thats for balance sake

and weaker damage again for balancing

[echo tiger]

I just lost my utah to a disjointed hitbox

[lavish quail]

Time to play the isle for the first time in ages

i quit when i die as a dryo

Death by harassment from pachys

I have quit

3rd time i died to baby utahs

tracking is godlike rn

[tight oxide]

Wdym

What would irl utah bite force be ingame

And speed and weight

[outer sphinx]

they could just make the new utah 600kg, bite harder, make it less agile and slower, and keep this one the same (except the name)

[tight oxide]

But like

Specificly

[outer sphinx]

and bc i really liked akens idea of a ramp up damage pounce could give that to the new utah

[tight oxide]

What do you think its bite would be

[outer sphinx]

prob like 80

[tight oxide]

Damn

Thought 100n

[outer sphinx]

irl utah was bulky, slow and pretty agile, in game it would prob use more damage than bleed

[outer sphinx]

in no god way should any dromeosaur have 100n

[tight oxide]

I mean...

Legacy be like

[outer sphinx]

imagine a 600kg raptor, the speed of teno, agile a bit less than this utah doing 100n with its bite

[tight oxide]

Teno does more dps

[outer sphinx]

legacy had a 1t utah ... whats your point?

[tight oxide]

Weighs more

Carno would be fine

Pachy not sure

[outer sphinx]

i said i would give the new utah dif pounce, one based on damage not bleed, the more you keep pouncing the more the damage rampsup, and bc its stronger and heavier its more resistant to buck (akens idea with the ramp up damage)

[tepid gate]

What in the lord Voodoo's name is the 600kg raptor you people are talking about?

[outer sphinx]

thew new utah and how it could work

[tight oxide]

Irl utah

[tepid gate]

irl Utah is only 500kg though

[tight oxide]

Eh

[tepid gate]

Btw

[tight oxide]

?

[tepid gate]

has Dondi specified that these will be separate playables?

[tight oxide]

Yea

Old utah will be given new name

[tepid gate]

Because he said that about most animals I think - that they will be getting a real life version and a game version I think

[outer sphinx]

ye so either they make it a bit heavier (they already have to make it much faster bc cmon... 25km/h is garbage here) or make this utah lighter and nerf it more

[tepid gate]

I think they might just make this "Utah" lighter

[tight oxide]

Noooo

[tepid gate]

Well this thing would realistically be lighter

[outer sphinx]

only utah got cofirmed to get a playable bc someone requested it, everything else will most likely just get a dif model

[tepid gate]

Nova guesstimated it at ~350kg iirc

[tight oxide]

Would kinda be old utah

[tepid gate]

Oh, I get it

[outer sphinx]

that would put it at like what... austro and herra weight i think

[tepid gate]

I mean I'm fine with just Utah being a separate playable

The one we have in the game is like... Dakotaraptor/Achillobator?

Dakotaraptor is a mess of an animal irl last I've heard though

[tight oxide]

Jp raptor

[tepid gate]

although it's... fast, like really, really fast

(faster than Carnotaurus)

[outer sphinx]

honestly, irl utah beeing more raw damage based and not as much of a bleeder, and i really liked your idea aken with a ramp up pounce, would fit the irl utah so well

[outer sphinx]

dont know much on achilo but def dakota

[tepid gate]

I think Achillo is kind of on the side of more robust dromaeosaurids like Utah

[tight oxide]

Ramp up pounce with another utah sounds scary ngl

[outer sphinx]

i mean dakota fits this utah very well, just make it weight less and give it a bit more agility or speed

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't mind tbh

[outer sphinx]

irl utah would be slow as fuck compared to this one

[tight oxide]

Ik

[tepid gate]

although... goddamn Dakotaraptor is such a lame name

[outer sphinx]

well it wouldnt be called dakota nor nova but for idea of balancing

[tight oxide]

Im saying 2 irl utahs pouncing

Would be strong

[outer sphinx]

Next up: Ohioraptor

[tight oxide]

Yes

[tepid gate]

Honestly no offence to the stat eof Dakota, but both Ohio and Utah make for much cooler names for dinosaurs than Dakota

[outer sphinx]

lol

[tepid gate]

Admittedly Ohio does seem a bit goofy

[tight oxide]

I think dakota is a ok name

[outer sphinx]

petition to name this utah Ohioraptor once it gets a new name

[tepid gate]

btw isn't this more so isle-discussion than general feedback discussion?

[tight oxide]

Novaraptor

[outer sphinx]

ye

[tepid gate]

Not trying to mod here, but don't you guys think it would be better to move this discussion there?

[tight oxide]

Ok so irl utah should be changed to be agile yet slow but strong

[outer sphinx]

back to the previous topic... how tf could 2 raptors work

[tight oxide]

Maybe even be a brawler

[outer sphinx]

well not as slow as irl but yes slower thna this one by a good margin, but be relatively similar in agility

[tight oxide]

One works in packs better than the while one is better solo ig

[outer sphinx]

having a pounce (if going by what i said above) makes both pack creatures, one prob beeing limited in the number, lets say 5 for irl utah

[tight oxide]

Irl could be a brawler at this point for its tier

[outer sphinx]

prob, more of a straight fight with pachy for ex

[tight oxide]

Straight?

Wdym

[outer sphinx]

50/50

[tight oxide]

Yea

Would be nice