#general-feedback-discussion | The Isle Official Discord | Page 804

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:04 PM

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If herbis have to follow a shopping list chore while carnis can eat anything it just makes people want to play herbi even less than previously

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:04 PM

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Even when herbivores are easier to play they end up getting outnumbered just because people prefer to play carnivores. They offer a more interesting and exciting gameplay kind of by default and you shouldn't artificially make them the worse playables just because you want to have more players on herbivores.

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I agree with that

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but that's more of an argument against herbivores' diets than anything else

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:05 PM

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I dont want carni players going herbi because thats annoying, they make bad herd mates or just kfs. But i want carnis to be challenging enough that herbis are actually appealing to pick for leas biased players

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Like the easiest animal in the game rn is a carni (ptera)

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Easy fix - return the growth times to their old values and let herbivores be the only ones that get a boost for diets which would be a mechanic exclusive to them and only working on growth.

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From what I've heard Deino is still absurdly easy too

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Because it gets to just ignore the diets altogether

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Deino is basically just doordash simulator isnt it

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:07 PM

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Idk just what I've been told by a couple of different people, the fact that you get to stay at your perfect diet the whole time with Deino makes it easy to grow and maintain

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I cant stand playing it lol but yeah it is easy, but they are also so segregated to small areas of the map so i cant be too mad

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Its not like carno who can just go anywhere

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:09 PM

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I think the very fact that a pseudoapex animal that oneshots almost the entire roster gets to have some of the easiest growths among the carnivores if not outright in the whole game is a bad design choice. It makes me shudder that some people want to throw further buffs down Deino's way.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:09 PM

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I think it would be pretty hard to give deino a suitable diet, like idk maybe they can require him to eat fish more while growing or look for turtles

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But turtles spawn in the middle of bumfuck nowhere rn so thatll need a fix

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Turtles in the middle of a field

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:10 PM

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I don't think it should have one, I just think that diets should be a mechanic entirely focused on buffing herbivores' growth times and as for carnivores - they simply should be getting sick if they eat specific things they aren't supposed to eat e.g. Magy, their own kind and so on.

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That makes it so that you can have a herbivore in a much more acceptable time-frame than the same "tier" carnivore if you actually put the effort into playing the game, rather than afking which was the best tactic for any herbi until now.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Eh i kind of still want carnis to have preferred things, would help partition food among hunters and scavengers and encourage carnis to have preferred brackets or prey that they can pick from

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:12 PM

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The hunters and scavengers thing can be sorted out with the gore mechanic

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which makes it so that fresh corpses are much more appealing than ones that stayed in place for a long time

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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It would make it harder to keep up a diet as a hunter via scavenging if hunters require organ meat which would be first priority after a kill and whatnot

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Yea that would be fine-ish

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but it's a completely separate system

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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And some dinos who arent crushers needing bones, encouraging them to target smaller prey

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:13 PM

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to what we have right now

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right now it's a constant look out for specific animals that might be there or not

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and typically it's the latter

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Yeah that’s annoying

bright bay Oct 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Rotten bodies would be nice too, forcing players to hunt for fresh meat instead of finding random bodies

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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especially with pachy being introduced into the game and being the most played animal obviously

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I hate the shopping list diet

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:15 PM

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I mean - don't get me wrong I'd rework the diets for herbivores as well because it shouldn't work like this at all, it's a shopping list too

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it's more acceptable because you aren't that reliant on what other people play but it's still pretty bad imo

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Different plants should give more than one nutrient and they should give different nutrients to different animals in different amounts

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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I think the range for herbies diets should be increased

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Id have more neutral foods, different grazing terrain (grass, ferns, water plants) that can provide small amounts of nutrient, and more vague diets like treefruit, succulents, roots and berries

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:16 PM

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Having more access to foraging or exploring different food sources would encourage exploration
Battering a cocounut tree would be a start for it's premise

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I honestly kind of had a feeling that the diets would be just an annoying chore but I think I underestimated their potential to mess up the game.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I think a lot of plants shouldnt be stuck in one biome. Mountain ash irl has a diverse range

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Foods that encourage healing, healing bleed, fracture damage, or give amounts of waters

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I always assumed diets would be underwhelming and a chore

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Flowers as well

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:17 PM

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Fruits and succulents should definitely give some water

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Especially things like coconut

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Alright - I've assumed the same thing, the one thing I DIDN'T expect was for the growth times to be artificially made longer just so that perfect diets can bring them down to acceptable levels

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Lmao yeah that was so dirty of them

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Right now herbies should not be restricted to just eating 3 sources of food
Just like Carni's should not have a shopping list "They can only eat chicken but never beef or fish"

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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^

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Different food items should provide different amounts of varied nutrients

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:19 PM

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There should even be plants that would incentivize stam use.
Meaning stam buffs or regen buffs would be a thing

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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More vague diets for both factions. Instead of wanting some dryos, you might want lean meat, instead of wanting mangos, you may want treefruit.

bright bay Oct 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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tepid gate Alright - I've assumed the same thing, the one thing I DIDN'T expect was for the...

Diet system is more like a punishment for not eating properly

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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e.g. idk Carno should give Utah both proteins and lipids

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Yea the diet system is kind of just a punishment

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idk maybe a new player would see it as a reward because they haven't seen the old growth times

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but tbh idk about any new players when they find out that the base growth time for some animals stretches to 10 hours

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:20 PM

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A healthy perfect diet should be a herbie not to be fucked with.
Instead, weaker or average herbies would be a more optimal prey item to to hunt for carni's
It would be like incentivizing good diets, without even having the systems to stress the playable to this degree

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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I can't even imagine talking anyone of my friends that don't normally play this game to even touch it

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they've always complained about an absurd time investment required to even start playing this

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Same here, I have a friend who is interested, but I actively told him not to get it until later down the line

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:21 PM

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now with these changes - yea they're not even going to look at this game

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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My case as well

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No way in hell any of my friends are going to pick this game up

orchid crescent Oct 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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NA 1 crash or restart?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Probably a crash

orchid crescent Oct 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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(

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bad

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:22 PM

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there was no mention of a restart in the announcements from what I can see

orchid crescent Oct 10, 2021, 2:23 PM

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yeah

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:24 PM

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Welp, time to borrow your good ideas for feedback that'll be ignored

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:46 PM

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What ya'll think of my suggestion?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:50 PM

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It's good, would definitely be an improvement but I doubt the devs will change it, I think the system is too far in the works for any such radical changes to be applied now.

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They really shouldn't have kept it a secret for this long just to reveal it in its current form when it was already ready because any feedback now is just coming way too late to do anything about it.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Who knows, i mean they keep throwing the scent system out and completely redoing it

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Diets could be fixed too

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Yea but I think scent might be a bit easier to fix, seeing how the diets were in the works for 3 months or so.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Yeah, It's why I suggested that there should be a diets 2.0 rework at a later date

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Unless it's the fractures that they were dealing with for so long.

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I honestly have no idea why we're getting such large updates with more than one system with such large breaks between them.

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It would've been so much better if they just released the diets like 2 months ago on a public test branch and asked people about how it works.

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Because I genuinely don't think that coding this thing is what took so much time.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:53 PM

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Point of criticism I agree with, updates should come in pieces and bite sized

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Yea this is the general issue - if you tinker with too many things at once it's difficult to track their effect on the game.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Hype fuel should not be relevant given that we're not at the state where evrima could even be considered a good game to be represented currently

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Same goes for balance, if you throw out multiple nerfs to one animal it's very hard to balance it out in the end because you don't know what exactly's going to be bringing it down.

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Yeah, honestly I think I've had the most fun in update 2 so far.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:55 PM

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Yeah

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Update 3.5 was the best for me

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Combat was great

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Made one of my friends come back to the game for how enjoyable it was

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I really dislike the new Spiro so 3.5 was a no-no to me

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:56 PM

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That's fair

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Then again - to be fair update 2 had the issue with lag that just kept on getting worse as time went on so it became a rather bad experience as time went on too.

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Didn't you randomly get disconnected all the time in update 2?

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:57 PM

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There was that yeah

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But nothing like 3.75

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:57 PM

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There was that too from a certain patch onwards

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Where you lost entire 5 hour dinos

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I didn't have it in 2020, that issues appeared in 2021 for me

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I think it was after the January patch

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Though yeah

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Honestly I'd be fine with Teno's only having 10 tail slams

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If there was specific food sources and perfect diet intakes creating a mix of buffs where that number could jump up to 20-25

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A maximum healthy Teno could be very capable of handling two Carno's

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Even 20 tail slams with the trash qa damage makes things to easy for carno

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Teno cant punish carnos and it shouldnt need a special plant to be able to use its wet noodle slap more than 10 tomes

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Ofc with revert changes to make Teno competent in combat

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I don't regard Qa balance as real balance or valid

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Qa is an unmitigated disaster

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:04 PM

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Qa is grossly and incompetently balanced

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:05 PM

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They could at least have made a statement on it in the recent update

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I don't think the devs got to balancing the game yet

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Like these are straight conscious number changes that are utterly disgusting

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:05 PM

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They said they haven't got to that part yet

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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They removed carno fracture on ram. I feel like the match up could be better now with lower stam requirements on teno attacks.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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^

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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If they “werent balancing the game” whyd they change numbers to begin with

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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It should be alright, Carno's bite lost most of its damage output as well so

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Teno still hits like a declawed kitten on its tail slam

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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I'd think twice and question the validity of who's idea was it to make such balance decisions, especially since their game designers with all this time of experience

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Doesn't teno tail slam do around 200 damage right now? And a stun.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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250N

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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And utah is still all greased up afaik

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Carno does 200N

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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I'd might recommend even a new hire

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Tenonto lost 110 damage, Carno lost 150, the difference is that

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Tenonto's attack costs stamina and applies CC

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therefore the stamina cost should be lowered

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the damage between these two will just last longer

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and that's a good thing in my book

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Teno is stationery in that attack though

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And Carno's bite comes at no cost nor punishment

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Nah it deserves more damage so idiot carnos played by 8yr olds with broken keyboards cant shrug it off after walking right in to it

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:08 PM

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And free range of motion and bleed

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:08 PM

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But if you land one, you should be able to land 2-3 more.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Yea but Tenonto's attacks main selling point is the CC - you can apply another two if you hit one

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:08 PM

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It should be punishing. Tenonto isnt a fast animal and it needs to be able to deter the predators who choose if the foght even happens

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Negative iq carnos shouldnt just walk it off with a slap on the wrist

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Idiocy should be punished

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:09 PM

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The stun is a good point, but if the damage is parable. Then it's not at all devastating

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Carno can apply those two attacks much quicker, easier, and with bleed

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Playing smart should be rewarded and playing dumb should get you a darwin award and a ticket back to selection screen

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:10 PM

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Without being locked in place

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:10 PM

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The latter being what carnos who assbite tenos deserve

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:10 PM

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No stam as well

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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250 damage is pretty respectable. 325 with headshots, you can realistically do half carnos health in damage by landing just one tail slam.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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it's 375 with headshot

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Er..

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Carno tanks the slams and runs off

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Yeah math was off lol. So over half.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:11 PM

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yea

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Ok, that's same as it was before. You had to land perfect headshots to get the carno in the first stun.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Carno can alt bite too
But this is supposedly if we're talking about that if Teno did have stam buffs

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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it's pretty decent overall but Tenonto just doesn't have enough steam to make that count in the fight, although to be honest it could get a slight buff to that damage

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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I still think that Teno being unable to escape an engagement, it should have the edge in combat

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Carno's alt bite is hot garbage, idk what to tell you, it has an awful attack rate

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:12 PM

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It doesn't have the agility of a Utah or Dryo

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:13 PM

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You will decrease your damage by a lot if you start alt biting a stationary target

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It might have some use against fast moving targets that are trying to attack you from behind...maybe?

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I personally wouldn't use it at all because the animation takes forever but I most certainly wouldn't use it against Tenonto

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you have a good chance of getting yourself locked in the animation while Tenonto gets up and then you will be eating 3 tailslams

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I think you might be able to bite Tenonto once with an altbite before it gets up

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Buddy of mine who plays carno a decent bit says in 3.75 you can land a charge and two alt bites to the head while it's stunned and kill the teno. It's pretty hard to do, and the charge may even have to be a headshot.. not sure.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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They probably weren't alt biting then
Because I've been seeing Carno's straight up outbrawl Teno's

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Never really tested alt bite's damage or charge's damage enough to do the math.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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3.75 - it's slower on the QA branch

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Routinely

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Yeah

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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charge doesn't have to be a headshot btw

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I'm pretty sure the locational doesn't apply to the charge

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Interesting.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:17 PM

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unless that was changed, but it wasn't a thing in 3.75 for sure

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:17 PM

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So you can get one shot as a utah in the tail?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:17 PM

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on 3.75? Yea

jovial hazel Oct 10, 2021, 3:17 PM

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I feel like that happened to me once.. but with desync, who knows.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:17 PM

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On the QA branch you can't because the damage of the charge was nerfed

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:18 PM

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Wow we got off tangent quite fast
But back on concept, a healthy Teno with given all of those buffs and rewards for arduous foraging, should be able to realistically handle two average Carnos

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This would make Herbivore engagements more variable, as diets would lower the skill floor in some cases
Without removing the high skill ceiling in actual engagement

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:19 PM

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I think that Tenonto shouldn't be reliant on eating stuff to handle a Carno in general tbh. Idk how I feel about tinkering with the combat stats of animals via diets.

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Such a Tenonto could also be used to murder other Tenontos

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Not exact raw damage buffs

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Hate those kind of buffs

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Oh you mean just the amount of tailslams?

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:20 PM

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But say, lower the stam cost use for attacks

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Yes

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:20 PM

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I think that's still a really powerful buff

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Power that comes with conditions

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Which is pretty much the point of what diets are supposed to be

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And are temporary as well

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So, not saying that Teno's would ever get gigantic hp buffs to suddenly handle Allo's

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The buffs or improvements would be more specific to general play and sometimes situational

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Quality of life ones too, like water rich plants. So you can continue exploring far away for a time from lakes/rivers

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:23 PM

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That would be fair

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But I still kind of doubt anything major will change for the better with diets

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 3:24 PM

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I doubt it too

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But can't say I didn't try cooking up the best feedback in the idea oven

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 3:25 PM

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Fair point

ashen wasp Oct 10, 2021, 3:39 PM

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@daring remnant like, uhh, this??

daring remnant Oct 10, 2021, 3:40 PM

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yes like that

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 8:03 PM

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@manic flint
Bruh, theres currently no aiming in this game. The camera is rigged to like the back of the shoulder/neck. Zoom in all the way for a better look at something and youll just look at scales of your dino. Camera needs a rework and a reliable way to aim bites, especially since its a crucial mechanic to aim for specific parts of the body.

manic flint Oct 10, 2021, 8:05 PM

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The camera is a bit messy yes
But I don't really see the need for a reticle that would kind of ruin the look of the game
And typically after playing as a dino for an hour you can feel out where the hit and hurtboxes are. I just don't see the need for one but that's just me

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 8:08 PM

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manic flint The camera is a bit messy yes But I don't really see the need for a reticle that...

Like I said, you wouldnt have to see it. The devs can hide something like that
Tell me its not a good idea to, instead of having to feel it out for a while, have a reliable aim/camera from the start...............

manic flint Oct 10, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Then how would you know where the reticle is then? I'm not entirely sure what you mean sorry

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 8:10 PM

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manic flint Then how would you know where the reticle is then? I'm not entirely sure what yo...

Just center screen a bit out from the player. The idea would be to have one place the dino is looking at. Rn you look left or right and your dino looks far left or right or 90 degrees (idle animations) but when you bite especially as lets say carno the hit isnt always reliable

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Perhaps im not adequately elaborating....

manic flint Oct 10, 2021, 8:12 PM

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So you're talking about the dinos faces turning then?

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Oh I think I understand

sudden glacier Oct 10, 2021, 8:38 PM

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anyone else think that hatchling-juvi pachy needs to be a little faster? its slower than a hatchling stego...

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 8:40 PM

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sudden glacier anyone else think that hatchling-juvi pachy needs to be a little faster? its slo...

sudden glacier Oct 10, 2021, 8:41 PM

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ohhhh

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also good for you for killing your own?

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 8:41 PM

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:)

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Not sure where to ask this but is EU2 for Mechanic testing up? Canty find it in steam servers either

manic sun Oct 10, 2021, 9:51 PM

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@jagged heath Dying to bushes/cliffs is called natural selection

spare garden Oct 10, 2021, 9:51 PM

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EU server not loading when trying to join

jagged heath Oct 10, 2021, 10:01 PM

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manic sun <@613876810928750592> Dying to bushes/cliffs is called natural selection

do you think anyone in this game gives a shit about natural selection? We have people KOSing because why not, and Over-Agressive herbivores.

manic sun Oct 10, 2021, 10:04 PM

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No, I'm just saying that it's unncesseray to remove the bushes bc someone just lost their stego to a cliff

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:05 PM

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...or do an even easier thing and remove those cliffs

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:05 PM

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take the survival out of survival?

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 10:07 PM

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bushes should only be removed/added to areas if it makes said area look better, if you fall off a cliff by not watching your step that's on you

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:08 PM

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^

eternal veldt Oct 10, 2021, 10:08 PM

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'Over-Aggressive Herbivores'

I'll just say this, if you think over-aggressive herbivores aren't something more common in nature, the moose, elephant, rhino, and especially hippos (homicidial water horses) would like to know your location.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:10 PM

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How, the hazard is literally hidden sometimes

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How is that the player's fault in midhunts when the bushes are sometimes obscure in clutters of fauna and trees

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Yeh, that's the very definition of survival - having cliffs that are specifically covered by bushes in the most baffling of places as well as holding a button too long which causes you to vomit. I also consider that the absolute peak of the survival genre.

cyan flame Oct 10, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Maybe if it was clearer which kind of bushes are meant to be warnings for bad areas, it would help. You still have to watch out and be careful, but it's a bit easier to see if there's potential danger or not?

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:11 PM

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If we could accurately predict it sure
But when it's hidden and unpredictable no

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:11 PM

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this conversation is funny

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 10:12 PM

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barren zephyr How is that the player's fault in midhunts when the bushes are sometimes obscure...

cuz they ran into dense foliage knowing cliffs are sometimes covered in dense foliage

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:12 PM

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It's not actually - people defending poor map design aren't funny.

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And Evrima hasn't had a decent map since its launch. The cliffs are one of the most obvious issues with it.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:13 PM

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have you never heard or read of a person in real life falling off a cliff? it happens when you run through jungle you dont know

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 10:13 PM

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i agree the map is not very good, i just dont think its the map's fault people charge through bushes when they cant see what's on the other side

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Cliffs aren't usually that well hidden irl
Plants and foliage is difficult to grow in rocky or steep areas

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:14 PM

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It's not just about falling off those cliffs - it's about where those cliffs are placed

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They literally block out entire areas of the maps making them completely not worth going to

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:14 PM

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rea life

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:15 PM

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I remember the very first iteration of Evrima which had cliffs that separated the beach spawns from the entire playable area of the map.

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The current cliffs in the north of the map cuts of the entire shore from being accessible to the playerbase

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This game has a history of absolutely atrocious utilisation of cliffs and it would be better off if they removed them all

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:15 PM

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reef nacelle

Hyper specific cliffs that don't account general ecosystems, and that's also near a river and waterfall, something you can still predict.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:16 PM

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barren zephyr Hyper specific cliffs that don't account general ecosystems, and that's also nea...

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thats not

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:16 PM

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And let's not get into what the real life looks like because the current map is nothing like real life. It literally makes 0 sense when compared to what the real life looks like. The waterways are all over the place and behave in the strangest fashion.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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reef nacelle

Still, mass animals aren't being killed by falling like they are ingame. That's taking a screenshot of one image without a close up of actual ecosystem

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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they make, some sense

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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And point above, the game is designed around circulation and to encourage movement

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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If they make sense to you then I would suggest paying more attention during geography classes, because water literally doesn't work the way it does in the game.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:17 PM

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barren zephyr Still, mass animals aren't being killed by falling like they are ingame. That's ...

you are funny dude. I literally showed evidence of the cliffs with foilage and now its about ecosystem#

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Plants and foliage are ecosystem, that grows around the cliffs

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:18 PM

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tepid gate If they make sense to you then I would suggest paying more attention during geog...

I did not specify what made sense, I was saying it makes some sense generally like your statement

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:18 PM

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Again, numbers of frequent animals aren't falling to their deaths as they are ingame

languid gyro Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM

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I wish hypsilophodon had a striking sexual dimorphism with only the males having flamboyant plumage and the females being grey and unremarkable, as seen in real birds of paradise and galliform birds from which this game's version of hypsi takes inspiration.
Females can also have a different, more subtle call for when the nesting update would be upon us, the hypsies could find potential mates of the opposite sex by sexual differences in vocalisation, like contemporary birds often do.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM

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barren zephyr Again, numbers of frequent animals aren't falling to their deaths as they are in...

cos they real animals that are not dumb like players

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM

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Back on point, it's a game, and it's designed artificially around map flow, circulation, and fun.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM

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The map "makes sense" if you don't think about it and just look at it from far away, it might even look pretty then.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:19 PM

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barren zephyr Back on point, it's a game, and it's designed artificially around map flow, circ...

who took it off point?

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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tepid gate The map "makes sense" if you don't think about it and just look at it from far a...

you said it makes 0 sense and yet it does in places.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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In what places does it make sense?

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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We're anchored to certain areas of the map, and discouraged from exploring them because of hazards and obscure spawns

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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you spoke in absolute.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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tepid gate In what places does it make sense?

LOL

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Specifically ai and food spawns

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:21 PM

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tepid gate In what places does it make sense?

there is beach at the ocean, one example

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Aight, that's it - the map is good: we have a beach at the ocean

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:21 PM

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Trees with dense bushes and no grass due to route systems

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you wanted an example, i gave it. dont try to be cocky

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I don't have to try it - you're just wrong and awfully so - the water in on this map doesn't even flow into the ocean, the entire western waterway behaves in a way that our earth hasn't seen.

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:22 PM

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gonna back out of the asinine conversation with this dude.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:22 PM

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The cliffs make no sense either

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:22 PM

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The map is bad, arguing semantics doesn't take away that point
Having a beach and cliffs that fuck people over and often the average player doesn't make it a great one

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Don't worry I'm done with you after seeing that quality argument

cyan flame Oct 10, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Does it really matter if it works this way or not irl, if it doesn't make for a good and fun to play on map?

reef nacelle Oct 10, 2021, 10:23 PM

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tepid gate Don't worry I'm done with you after seeing that quality argument

awesome. 😄 see ya around then

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 10:23 PM

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What makes a great one? Circulation, land marks, interesting locales, etc

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:24 PM

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cyan flame Does it really matter if it works this way or not irl, if it doesn't make for a ...

It neither works well for a map in the game nor is it realistic

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:52 PM

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tepid gate It neither works well for a map in the game nor is it realistic

What is it?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:53 PM

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zealous violet What is it?

The map, it has a tonne of just really weird choices. It looks really pretty but it isn't good in terms of gameplay nor is it realistic.

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Ahh I see. Yeah I do agree with ya on that. But I think Jace like, just got ahold of the map so im waiting to see what more he does.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Yea, I know

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It should get better but I believe that some of Dondi's older maps were outright better than this one

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:54 PM

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I think, was it Dondi who was making the maps before?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:55 PM

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The thing is that I believe some of his older maps were actually better than the current one. There are some redeeming aspects of it but in general I think it's bad and I suspect a couple of reasons why it is so.

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E.g. the twin mountains in the centre are a good thing

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They are a point of orientation and look good

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:55 PM

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I like the overall look of things better now, like the quality of it, but the overall layout of the map certainly leaves something to be desired.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Yeah

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Jace made some improvements which are appreciated like adding that small lake in the south

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but I'm not happy with some other decisions like with what happened to the pocket

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Pocket? You talkin about the deino pond at south?

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:57 PM

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When I got to play the QA branch for a moment and I chose to spawn in the south I ended up spawning in the river

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Yea, exactly

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:57 PM

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I once spawned in as a teno at south and died from fall damage instantly XD
I really like how south looks now but its not very good for gameplay.

tepid gate Oct 10, 2021, 10:57 PM

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It wouldn't be that big of an issue that I've spawned in there but the problem is that getting out of that area takes way too much effort

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Exactly, that's the main issue with the map - it might look good but it's not good gameplay-wise

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 10:58 PM

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I want more places to explore, more things to find, secret passages and such.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Bruh fishing as ptera is so easy it isnt even funny

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Did that guy really call ptera vulnerable

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 11:00 PM

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zealous violet I want more places to explore, more things to find, secret passages and such.

There's a couple spots, but not enough

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The food and water limitations prevent that as well

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We need more obscure or hidden lakes

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Spots to gather decent food, and overall travel

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I don't feel like I have too many places to go in this map, just wandering around aimlessly and when I do explore, it's mostly a bad thing to do

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 11:07 PM

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barren zephyr There's a couple spots, but not enough

Totally agreed! I want moooore. Like, think about it, if we have tribals living there for who knows how long, theres bound to be a ton of random places to explore because humans will always be the same: Creative.
Think about being a hypsi or something and stumbling upon an abandoned tree fort with old tree bridges half broken and swaying gently. Perhaps there were tree tribals who made their homes up high because of all the dangerous carnis down below?
Or perhaps a almost-cave carved out of the side of a mountain that tribals used to store food in to keep carnis from getting to- Seriously, the possibilities are endless.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 11:11 PM

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zealous violet Totally agreed! I want moooore. Like, think about it, if we have tribals living ...

Those are great ideas
Considering that we're also in a coastal rainforest ecosystem, the locales can be insanely diverse and interesting. With the plethora of brimming references that can be easily looked at today currently for reference
I'd like to see deep underground waterways, underwater forests, complex cave systems, teeming with hidden areas and nice spots away from overpopulation. With more biomes, fauna and tree species

sudden glacier Oct 10, 2021, 11:13 PM

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any reason i cant see all the servers? i only see US 1 and EU 1

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 PM

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imagine

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geisers

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 11:21 PM

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These are all wonderful! I don't think the map should get smaller, I would much rather see a bigger map with all this diversity. The problem is, I dont think the devs actually research this kind of stuff.
I mean, for crying out loud they have agave an arid, dry desert plant on a lush, wet island with close coastal waters with no doubt carry over the salty sea when it rains.
Don't even mention deer either! Like wth.

barren zephyr Oct 10, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Some of the changes were really strange

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But yeah, with a loose rainforest, they're should be a more flexible amounts of inclusions and changes made to make every spot of the map appealing, and incentivizing to go to

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Jace has already done a good job with touching up stuff, it's time for him to hone some experience(god I wish there was a map feedback channel)

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We're in dire need of colour and map balance rn

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Agreed whole heartedly!
But also, I understand just how long it takes to create something in blender and other programs- not even good ones, just objects. Jace makes some very high quality, realistic objects so I am more than happy to wait a couple months for a lot of the content we get- map wise.

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 11:46 PM

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jace doesn't make the assets, they're the map designer

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 11:50 PM

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hoary dawn jace doesn't make the assets, they're the map designer

Right, thats what we are talking about.

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 11:53 PM

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i hope the devs dont listen to the people complaining about ptera stam honestly

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theres at least some skill gap in ptera rn due to stam management and these people waste all their stam in 10 seconds and act like it aint their fault

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it doesnt need to be any easier

hoary dawn Oct 10, 2021, 11:57 PM

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ptera's in a pretty good place rn, it just needs stuff like nesting and herra to be more interesting

zealous violet Oct 10, 2021, 11:57 PM

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I dont think anyone even noticed that juvie/fresh spawn ptera has way better stamina now. Like, no one wants to acknowledge this? No? Okay..

paper oriole Oct 10, 2021, 11:57 PM

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It didnt even need a stam buff for juvie

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Even before that buff it was fine

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By 30% pteras stam was super manageable, and juvies dont have to eat or drink

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Hell if youre a juvie and you eat a fish you get fucked up lol

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Ive fished and killed small dryo ai as a juv ptera these people got no excuse to not manage stam as adults

zealous violet Oct 11, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Having super low stam just starting off was mildly annoying for like, the first 20 minutes. I like this stam buff personally. It wasnt necessarily needed but im appreciative of it none the less.

paper oriole Oct 11, 2021, 12:07 AM

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ptera has very manageable stam before 20min

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I think people hold down space too long or they just use the running takeoff

zealous violet Oct 11, 2021, 12:53 AM

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Running take off has always used mroe stam than the simple jump take off. What more, I think doing the running takeoff requires a bit more skill and so people are more unlikely to use it.
I myself prefer the stop takeoff because it is more simple and doesnt use a lot of stam.

hasty dagger Oct 11, 2021, 2:57 AM

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Love the music feedback, but I also really enjoyed the music playing rather mundanely at times during those quiet lulls in playtime on Legacy, though I agree them being unnecessarily blaring was an issue. I don’t think having a track cue in after a while even if nothing in particular is happening would be bad, especially if they’re more gentle, and I personally would enjoy it, but I don’t know how popular that opinion is.

tepid gate Oct 11, 2021, 3:03 AM

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I don't know whether people in the legacy don't care for music but I do know that I care about it - I have it enabled all the time and I really enjoy the fact that it is there. It's one of the things that I miss in Evrima.

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I actually overall just like the legacy soundtrack.

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 3:10 AM

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tepid gate I actually overall just like the legacy soundtrack.

I'm not hating the Legacy OST, and I know you're not saying that.
It's just the actual implementation of it's OST in the game is poor.

I understand it's not dynamic.
But a good portion of the soundtrack doesn't fit the current game, Evrima.

tepid gate Oct 11, 2021, 3:10 AM

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I know you're not and I understand the point you're making there

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Yea, at times it might play sort of... the wrong tune at the wrong time I suppose

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Yeah

tepid gate Oct 11, 2021, 3:11 AM

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but to be perfectly honest, I've never actually noticed that happening

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Like I can't think of any situation where I'd be sneaking through the forest and suddenly notice one of the louder soundtracks starting to play

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Not to start conspiracy theories here but I've heard some people claim that the soundtrack does actually respond to what's happening around you

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I don't believe that to be true in all honesty

tepid gate Oct 11, 2021, 3:12 AM

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I'm not saying this is true, it seems rather silly but in my experience I've never had an instance where it would play a wrong tune at the wrong time

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Yea, it does sound extremely unlikely and I don't believe that either

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It might also be a matter of me just paying less attention to the soundtrack while the action is taking place and noticing only when there are more serene moments when I have some time to appreciate the music

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But I do know that some people make claims that certain specific soundtracks play in very specific circumstances - I haven't noticed that myself though

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Yeah, I don't find it to be true. A lot of Legacy lacks dynamic features.

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 3:16 AM

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hasty dagger Love the music feedback, but I also really enjoyed the music playing rather mund...

Thanks yeah. It all really just depends on Dondi's directions for Music and where and how it'll take place in-game

meager tiger Oct 11, 2021, 8:07 AM

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@frail vortex instead I think we should make hiding a more viable option. Thorn bushes that damage or slow bigger creatures for small juvies to crawl under, hollow logs to hide in, hollow trees to climb into or maybe hollow root holes. Perhaps giant lilypads to parkour off on but sink if too much weight is on it. Maybe vines hanging off trees juvies can run under but adults gets slowed down and have to break the vines or run around...

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I belive the enviroment needs to be changed rather than give juvies a straight speed buff

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This is how irl small animals survive

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The ecosystem offers advtanges to being small

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@barren zephyr I would like to see carnivores eat certain body parts when the gore comes out. Different animals require different kinds of meat. Some animals specilize in eating bones. Some have weak stomachs and can only eat soft stuff like organs or skin, maybe some small muscles, others only eat scraps because they can't chew or tear large peicies. I think it would make it more intresting if corpses had a "cycle". A good example is lions eat muscles and, hyneas eat bones and skin, and the buzzards eat whatevers left

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@daring remnant How do we balance between breaking spines and making the predator have a hard time fighting a defensive animal. I do not want kentro to be invinbcle but I also don't want it to be a sitting duck against 1 carno

paper oriole Oct 11, 2021, 11:00 AM

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zealous violet Running take off has always used mroe stam than the simple jump take off. What m...

People arent less likely to use running takeoff, i see people do it all the time and these are probablt the same people complaining about ptera stam. I know one friend personally who always used it and told me ptera stam was bad but he did learn when we did ptera together

errant pagoda Oct 11, 2021, 11:16 AM

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The running takeoff has to be timed perfectly and only works on plain or slightly sloped terrain, never uphill. It takes just a little more stam then the stationary takeoff but its way more useful in a dangerous Situation where you just have a split second to escape. The stationary takeoff will get you killed while with the running takeoff you are a moving target and can zigzag, which saves your live. I only use the running takeoff when eating from a corpse on the ground and something jumps me. It's very useful to me.

paper oriole Oct 11, 2021, 11:19 AM

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Yeah its situational and in times like that it doesnt matter if you lose some extra stam because you are still alive because of it, but i see a lot of people use it regularly

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Just for normal takeoff, like my friend did

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Then they think ptera has unreliable stam

errant pagoda Oct 11, 2021, 11:22 AM

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Yee, thats not smart

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Good thing you tell them otherwise

haughty citrus Oct 11, 2021, 12:27 PM

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someone knows or deduces when the update will be on the official servers?

gloomy thicket Oct 11, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Is the glitch where you randomly loose progression still a thing on evrima? I want to switch back to normal branch until the servers are fixed but also don't fancy wasting my time

signal beacon Oct 11, 2021, 2:02 PM

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barren zephyr I'm not hating the Legacy OST, and I know you're not saying that. It's just the...

New Life playing while you are being ripped apart by dilos.

lavish quail Oct 11, 2021, 2:37 PM

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@maiden anvil that’s actually a lot better than what we have but would it put you in your diet after eating most of said item or would it just give you different nutritional values

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Wait nvm I’m blind

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Change of that

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Would your diet be capped if you only ate preferred prey to a great diet

errant pagoda Oct 11, 2021, 2:38 PM

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gloomy thicket Is the glitch where you randomly loose progression still a thing on evrima? I wa...

Not worth your time, it's still busted and has been since two months now.

lavish quail Oct 11, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Or would you be able to get it to perfect

paper oriole Oct 11, 2021, 3:13 PM

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I feel like especially high impact predators will be too easy if eating pretty much anything gives them a good diet

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Like a rex especially

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Looks like youd have to actually go out of your way and intentionally eat the few things that are bad for you to actually get a bad diet as a carni then

maiden anvil Oct 11, 2021, 4:10 PM

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lavish quail Or would you be able to get it to perfect

I’m not sure of what you’re referring to

lavish quail Oct 11, 2021, 4:11 PM

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yeah i went on a rant, not sure myself

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think its overquestioning?

frail vortex Oct 11, 2021, 4:31 PM

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meager tiger <@!655643093047050240> instead I think we should make hiding a more viable optio...

Honestly I agree with this

grave hill Oct 11, 2021, 4:43 PM

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qa servers down?

paper oriole Oct 11, 2021, 5:18 PM

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So the devs who work on models and animations should just go on vacation until the other devs get optimization and server issues handled? Great idea, sounds very efficient

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Do people realize that different devs do different shit and modelers working on future models has nothing to do with the current bugs

urban flax Oct 11, 2021, 5:21 PM

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Many people here don't know how game development works

barren zephyr Oct 11, 2021, 9:19 PM

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signal beacon New Life playing while you are being ripped apart by dilos.

hm yes

spark juniper Oct 11, 2021, 10:12 PM

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grave hill qa servers down?

looks like it for me too. cannot join any

reef nacelle Oct 12, 2021, 1:02 AM

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Erm, I seem to have lost my Pachy on Mech test EU2. I logged into a Raptor instead. Anyone else?

strange wave Oct 12, 2021, 4:23 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/666420165608472577/TroodonMorph.mp4 @random hazel

▶ Play video

grave hill Oct 12, 2021, 5:52 AM

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What is this 8.6 gb update on qa for? 😮

worthy nexus Oct 12, 2021, 8:38 AM

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whats the go with mix packing?

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can herbies pack with carnos?

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on evrima

random hazel Oct 12, 2021, 9:44 AM

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strange wave https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/666420165608472577/Tro...

isn't this the WIP morph though?

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:09 AM

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@hushed oar are you in the public branch

hushed oar Oct 12, 2021, 11:09 AM

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Envrima N/A 1

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Is it the evrima public branch or mechanic test

hushed oar Oct 12, 2021, 11:10 AM

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Didn't work on EU 2 either

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Public

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Ok yeah that’s an issue where sometimes you’ll have your Dino reset. Don’t worry it’s been fixed and will be pushed out in update 4

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And update 4 is ready there just doing a couple map fixes and performance issues etc.

hushed oar Oct 12, 2021, 11:11 AM

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I played yesterday and it still did it

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Lost all progress

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:12 AM

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Yes because it’s not been pushed to the public branch but it’s gonna be fixed pretty soon for public

hushed oar Oct 12, 2021, 11:12 AM

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Ok

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Thank you

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:25 AM

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@barren zephyr yes but.
Minmi, so they can work on better burrowing

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as basically everything there has an intended mechanic that should be made for it (and others) or it's all ready there

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Troodon -> NV and 1 new type of venom
cerato -> gore
ovir -> nest stealing
herrera -> climbing

etc etc.

Minmi -> burrowing

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 11:48 AM

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Honestly I would be down to add minmi or proto to the current roster if playables being worked on just to get burrowing done cause dryo as the only one won’t be much fun

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 12:14 PM

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Pteranodon picking up anything with these TI_Wheeze

ashen wasp Oct 12, 2021, 12:16 PM

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Pteranodon’s like half mouth anyways

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The other half is wings, obv

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 12:17 PM

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Do people think he's a fucking eagle tho i see a lot of ptera picking up juvie suggestions its funny

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 12:19 PM

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barren zephyr Honestly I would be down to add minmi or proto to the current roster if playable...

yes

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 12:36 PM

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@barren zephyr i would honestly make it on update 5 because all mechanic from legacy is there which is skin system and nesting

peak wedge Oct 12, 2021, 1:01 PM

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Pt picking up small juvies/ meat bits with mouth-okay
Pt picking up literally anything with feet-no

crisp topaz Oct 12, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Ptera could scavange/steal eggs from unsuspecting nests. Pick up the egg, fly away and swallow while flying

meager tiger Oct 12, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Tera shouls swoop down and pick things up

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 4:06 PM

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tera

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anyway the amount of things he could logically even pick up in flight is very small

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maybe a compy

urban flax Oct 12, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Tera is for Teradon

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And those things sure can pick things up, even with their feet

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Not sure how that's relevant to The Isle tho

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 4:08 PM

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that mfer looks like rodan we dont have that

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we have pteranodon

urban flax Oct 12, 2021, 4:09 PM

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I know, and since I can't see how or why pteranodon should pick things up, I'm assuming they were talking about teradon

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 4:09 PM

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our ptera's got bowtie pasta as feet and a tweezer beak

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 4:13 PM

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paper oriole our ptera's got bowtie pasta as feet and a tweezer beak

Ikr a masterpiece

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 4:14 PM

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yes he is beautiful the way he is

hoary dawn Oct 12, 2021, 5:43 PM

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if they added a certain eagle they could give a pick up ability to that instead

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Haast would be pathetic in the isle tbh i think people overhype it

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It wouldnt have a very good range for carrying either

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People seem to think haast is some huge badass eagle thats gonna carry off utahraptors and stuff when in the roster we have it would only be able to carry the lowest tiers

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And it wouldnt be able to defend its kills

hybrid matrix Oct 12, 2021, 6:19 PM

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paper oriole And it wouldnt be able to defend its kills

Haast ai to take the place of ravens/crows

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 6:20 PM

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Corvid ai works well in groups though, big swarms of haast would look weird

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Big swarms of ravens/crows/magpies is cool

hoary dawn Oct 12, 2021, 6:25 PM

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pigeon

honest sparrow Oct 12, 2021, 6:34 PM

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@barren zephyr

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:38 PM

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Haast suck ngl

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Way too much work just to pick up a couple of juvie utahs

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 6:43 PM

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If we got an actual big bird, argent would be cooler than haast

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Islecord haast hate cult

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Yeah haast would be cool if it were bigger

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But like, 95% of the roster would slap it around

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Hopefully this doesn’t tilt the haast stans

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:54 PM

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we'd think haast is cool if it was at least big enough to take on anything other than a small Utah

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Though haast wouldn't even be the king of the skies

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Quetz would make it it's bitch

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Haast would just be a better ptera tbh

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Minus the fishing

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Ehhhhhhhh

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Wait nvm

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Birds of prey are actually good fishers

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Eagles can fish

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Exactly

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I wouldn’t mind haast if ptera wasn’t a thing

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It would definitely be a better playable

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Yeah, a better Ptera then
But minus the power scavenging Ptera will have

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:56 PM

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I’m going to be honest

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Scavenging is such a bad play style

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:57 PM

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It is

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Having Cera or other playables be scavengers and saying "look it's viable now" is shortsighted

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:57 PM

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You have to hope that someone doesn’t finish their entire corpse OR you have hope that people are kind enough to let you scavenge off their bodies

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Ptera makes sense since it can travel and trek long distances

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:58 PM

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The more that I think about it, scavenger cera is high key bad

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:58 PM

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But Cera can't escape combat or engagements as easily Ptera can
And you have to wait until the other predators get their fill
This is assuming gore is a thing

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While you may be starving as a larger predator

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It might be cool to come across a couple abadoned kills, but having that be a cornerstone for "viability" is just absolutely luck based

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 6:59 PM

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I just hope they don’t balance cera specifically for scavenging

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Ptera can kill some juvies, and can fish as an alternative

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Cera needs to be a competent predator, as well as other "scavengers"

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Even Hyena's are very capable predators, and when a lion steals their kills. They aren't doomed considering they can still eat leftovers and crush the bones for nutrients

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Scavenging would be good as a secondary special for cera, to give it a generalist diet of being able to eat anything

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:03 PM

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barren zephyr Even Hyena's are very capable predators, and when a lion steals their kills. The...

That’s only because they can swarm lions with overwhelming numbers

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Or if a male lion isnt present

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:04 PM

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True, but they don't always need to brawl to the death, sometimes they're fine just eating leftovers and crushing up the bones
Hyena's are very intelligent, they have no need to brawl unless the kill is that important and they have the numbers

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Although I am getting concerned about the whole “brawler cera” concept

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Same here

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Because the only Dino that has a similar weight class is a vary, and barys will mostly be fish hunters

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Cera being able to a brawl a utah or dilo is really a flex to earn the brawler title

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:06 PM

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With weight=health system
It's gonna get floored by the superior speedy Carno
Hilariously almost

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Yeah if they keep the weight = hp cera vs carno will be a laughable match up

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:07 PM

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People argue that it should be the case and it should use agility to escape (mostly paleonerds)
But in regards to balance, it won't be the case

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Utah is barely managing to escape Carno's with their speed and agility

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Can't imagine Cera will fair equally as them when escaping

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I was just about to say that lmfao

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Cera isn’t known for being agile

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:08 PM

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So if it's not agile enough, nor fast enough, and is incapable of fighting it
It means Cera is screwed, just like a Magy

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Unless we get a cera that weighs the same as teno, cera should not be a brawler imo

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But 1600kg cera is laughable in itself

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:09 PM

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That's the whole issue I have with the weight=health system
It doesn't account for anatomical builds, or creature capabilities

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Unless they downsize carno

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Literal Siberian Tigers have brown bears in their diet

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Now a Tiger would avoid the confrontation against a fully grown bear, and the bear likewise
But there's cases where a Tiger preys upon bears larger than themselves

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:11 PM

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Ehhh I see what you’re doing with Siberian tigers and brown bears, but I don’t think that’s a good example for cera vs carno match up

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Big cats are insanely cracked, in terms of speed agility, speed, and bite force

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Devs did use the "honey badger" approach

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But let's be honest. Honey badgers would be fodder if they conformed ingame to their "weight=health" system

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Isn’t the only reason honey Bagers act the way they do is because they have extremely loose skin, so lion bites barely do anything to them

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Yeah

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Unless the devs are giving cera loose skin, they should stop comparing the two TI_Wheeze

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:14 PM

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But if they can get out of situations against predators 6-10x their size, and are capable of getting leopards to fuck off a kill
Then it's a victory on the badger's part

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The badger doesn't need to solo a lion or leopard to a fight to the death

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:15 PM

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But for ceras case it could just run away from predators 6x it’s size

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:16 PM

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True, but for now. Cera is gonna struggle against anything near Carno sized
Likely invalidated by the mid tier roster

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So much for a honey badger niche

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:20 PM

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tbh carno is the only troublesome dino for cera. Cera will be or atleast should be faster than all other carnivores big enough to kill it

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Idk,, Alberto and Allo come off as speedy enough to fuck it over

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Unless they make Cera near Utah speeds

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:21 PM

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going off of legacy (since its the only speed reference we have) cera was faster than both allo and alberto without using their ambush

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Then yeah, I can see it being capable enough to escape
But Carno poses as Cera's kryptonite then

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No way in hell Cera is gonna be dodging Evrima Carno

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:24 PM

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ntm its the only logical base for balancing two larger carnivores who can easily kill cera in a few hits. Giving allo and alberto the speed advantage would make cera unviable

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Huh what when why

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Cera bad

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:24 PM

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barren zephyr Then yeah, I can see it being capable enough to escape But Carno poses as Cera'...

n o p l e a s e n o

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I want a bully not a coward

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:25 PM

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cera cant bully things almost 1000kg its weight

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Sorry man, but it's gonna happen
Unless they give it that huge maximum size, beef it's hp, or give it ridiculous damage
Cera will be invalidated

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:25 PM

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even 1200kg cera isnt bulling 1700 kg carno

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:25 PM

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The weight health system dicates it so

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Please dont bully my boi

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:26 PM

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fucking 1600kg teno doesnt bully a 1700kg carno

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Teno is Carno's bitch tho tbf

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:27 PM

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and teno is a brawler that uses every part of its body in combat

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:27 PM

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We get it the games unbalanced

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Yeah..

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:27 PM

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i'd be okay for down scaling carnos weight tbh to 1500kg

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Honestly Cera needs a special ability then

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Gib cera lock jaw

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Cause I don't think Paleonerds are gonna be happy about Cera brawling out Carno

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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lavish quail Gib cera lock jaw

then carno doesnt shit on it

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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it'll just ram the cera?

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like??

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:28 PM

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They could do that, fictionalize a liberty there, make Cera a pitbull

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Idk, Carno is just too much atm

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It can ram a Cera and use the stun time to stack some attacks

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Right now Carno is a detriment to the balance of Cera

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Just like Allo to Magy

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:30 PM

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1500kg carno would be better overall for the rest of the playables as well

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not just cera

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:31 PM

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I mean allo should be slower than magy

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Paleonerds would take your head for that statement lol

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:31 PM

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paleonerds can suck on some carno dick

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:31 PM

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sacred moat 1500kg carno would be better overall for the rest of the playables as well

It'd make the matchup more fair and believable

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:32 PM

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that and it would actually require 2 carnos to tag a teno if they want to hunt it

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like their concept art shows

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Though Carno's would cry that Allo would become out of it's realm

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:32 PM

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allo is literally a brawler

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Even though Allo is not a matchup that should be even happening to begun with yeah.

sacred moat Oct 12, 2021, 7:33 PM

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that does a shit ton of bleed

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thats like asking a cheetah to go win a battle against a leopard

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Allo would use it's arms and slam Carno's face in the ground eating dirt

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:35 PM

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lavish quail paleonerds can suck on some carno dick

Paleonerds would make this game unbearably unfun if they were the designers

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I get there should be correlations here and there, like Carno's not stomping on Allo's

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But then they get really into the specifics and try to remove any semblance of liberties in order to conform to realism on all fronts

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:38 PM

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they would make utah a brick with legs

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Large amounts of playables would become invalidated immediately

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:43 PM

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All playables but carno rex and spino

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Yup, the mid tier roster would disappear
And a portion of the smalls as well

lavish quail Oct 12, 2021, 7:44 PM

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hence why gameplay>realism

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 7:44 PM

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That's what people have been saying

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Damn, sucks that it gripes paleo accuracy that a Cera can outbrawl a Carno
But it kinda needs to otherwise it's invalidated
So for the sake of balance, they'd just have to deal with it

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 7:51 PM

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lavish quail I mean allo should be slower than magy

what is allo gonna do about apexes and alberto if its snail slow lol

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magy isnt fast in its run reel and its going just about as fast as it can without it looking ridiculous

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would alberto also need to be shot in the kneecaps for the sake of magy

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:03 PM

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For beach spawns to be worth it there's gotta be actual value to that biome

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We need an actual roster there not just one or two animals shoved in to that corner

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:04 PM

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@brittle ermine originally, it was a problem with spawn camping.
But, seeing as we have regional spawning system- i see no problem with beach spawning

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:04 PM

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paper oriole For beach spawns to be worth it there's gotta be actual value to that biome

from it's concept art, proto would fit

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:04 PM

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We need plants, water sources and a decent set of animals who can interact

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:05 PM

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paper oriole We need plants, water sources and a decent set of animals who can interact

I presume this will change when more diet foods and more playables are added and implemented

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Obviously yeah tho at that point a beach spawn makes sense

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:05 PM

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right now? Not so much, coconuts seem to not spawn near coastal areas strangely

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:05 PM

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Right now we dont have anything to make it make sense aside from otera who can travel wherever it wants the moment it spawns

brittle ermine Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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paper oriole We need plants, water sources and a decent set of animals who can interact

Troodon, proto and megalania, Pteranodon and velociraptor have good reasons to be there, mostly based around how they sre seen interacting with proto sweats but still I think that's a start.

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Troodon's diet should be more broad imo

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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I usually stop at the beach by the falls as ptera but thats only because ptera can just fo so far from food and be fine

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/844728205759610920/2021_Env_Concept_Pterosaur_Coasts.png

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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Honestly i want coastal bary and plateo

brittle ermine Oct 12, 2021, 9:06 PM

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barren zephyr Troodon's diet should be more broad imo

Sure I mean troodon isn't particularly needed with velo on beaches, but troodon was on the beach in the concept.

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:07 PM

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I presume nesting materials for ptera will be around coastal areas

hoary dawn Oct 12, 2021, 9:07 PM

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herra will most likely thrive at the coast since pteras will be nesting there like crazy

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:07 PM

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brittle ermine Sure I mean troodon isn't particularly needed with velo on beaches, but troodon ...

true, but troodon has been on almost every concept- everywhere

brittle ermine Oct 12, 2021, 9:07 PM

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barren zephyr true, but troodon has been on almost every concept- everywhere

Troo

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:08 PM

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hoary dawn herra will most likely thrive at the coast since pteras will be nesting there li...

I presume if they have good trees near the coast

paper oriole Oct 12, 2021, 9:08 PM

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Troodon is a running gag in concepts where it gets its ass beat

brittle ermine Oct 12, 2021, 9:08 PM

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barren zephyr I presume if they have good trees near the coast

Tbf herra might hunt smalls in general anyway due to it's relatively small size and ambush capabilities.

barren zephyr Oct 12, 2021, 9:09 PM

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brittle ermine Tbf herra might hunt smalls in general anyway due to it's relatively small size ...

hm

honest sparrow Oct 12, 2021, 9:51 PM

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paper oriole Troodon is a running gag in concepts where it gets its ass beat

Be kind of a shame if troodon preyed on little to no of those animals it’s featured getting it’s ass kicked by

cedar tide Oct 12, 2021, 10:07 PM

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How do you fix buttons not working after switching to legacy?

icy lion Oct 12, 2021, 10:10 PM

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cedar tide How do you fix buttons not working after switching to legacy?

#🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧 pinned messages has the solution

reef nacelle Oct 12, 2021, 10:15 PM

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Any news on Eu2?

main patrol Oct 13, 2021, 12:01 AM

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Eu1 works

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ppl can populate the server if its the only working one

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 12:17 AM

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i get auto the main menu glitch when i go on eu1

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how do i stop it

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?

spark granite Oct 13, 2021, 12:19 AM

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u can't

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just keep clicking away

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:44 AM

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@barren zephyr i feel like this is just personal preference on your end, because I really would want to see humans soon

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:45 AM

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It is a person preference but people aren’t buying and playing the isle to play as people in a world with dinosaurs. They are buying and playing the game to play as dinosaurs with other dinosaurs

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:45 AM

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I mean, me and my mates are really excited for when humans come out

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a lot of my mates want to get it to play the human horror experience

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as long as they're weak as hell on implementation, I'm fine. Oh, and proxy VC needs to be in there and I'm perfectly happy

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:48 AM

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And that’s cool, so do I. But working on humans when there are only 4 carnivores in the current game is a bit lack luster

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:48 AM

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also after so many, many years of promising humans, they do need to be implemented soon lmao

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it's getting ridiculous how long it's gone without actually adding them

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:48 AM

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I want humans in so i can kfs them and carry them around

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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paper oriole I want humans in so i can kfs them and carry them around

i encourage you to KFS me when I'm playing human lmao

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I am ever glad to

silver zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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😳

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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When gore system comes i hope i can just like

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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I prefer just the dinosaurs truthfully, even the introduction of boars, deer, rabbit and goats have pissed me off. I’d much rather have small dinosaur AI instead. Would make it feel more prehistoric. But I get that there’s actual lore in it with an island. But whatever.

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:49 AM

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Carry a human leg like a dog toy

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Cerato carrying a torso around and you just kinda walk into it in the dark

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Me sneaking in to a human base while they arent paying attention and just leaving a leg on a table

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Just leaving random limbs around

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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paper oriole Me sneaking in to a human base while they arent paying attention and just leavin...

Just like a dinosaur cat

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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Yea

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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barren zephyr I prefer just the dinosaurs truthfully, even the introduction of boars, deer, ra...

I'm on the opposite end, the introduction of dino AI pisses me off to no end. Completely removes emphasis on player v player gameplay and just adds either the easiest food ever or the most annoying fucking predator in history

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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It will be perfect

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:51 AM

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I can, with the animal AI, identify if something is player or AI easily, and it differentiates the two greatly

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:52 AM

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limber hull I'm on the opposite end, the introduction of dino AI pisses me off to no end. Co...

Oh no I completely disagree with carno AI and all that. I’m talking about replacing the current mammal AI. With suitable small dino AI replacement

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:52 AM

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The only good dino AI is compy, because it actually serves a purpose outside of free food or instant death

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:53 AM

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barren zephyr Oh no I completely disagree with carno AI and all that. I’m talking about replac...

Then people ask "why isn't [tiny dino] playable?! I thought we could play all dinos!"

Having the AI as smaller animals from the modern world immediately separates them from all playable factions

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:54 AM

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True- but it completely kills the feeling that I want- of being a dinosaur, in a very prehistoric land, with a few human structures to interact with. But it’s whatever

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Also, all factions could arguably eat from the animal AI. Tribals, mercs and dinos can all stomach it, which is great for having a source of contest and sought after food

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:54 AM

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I simply want things like Maggy, Cera, kentro, and Herrera before we get average joes

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:55 AM

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eh, utah, carno and deino are perfect testing grounds for human interactions with dinos

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imo

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 2:56 AM

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^

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:57 AM

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I disagree. They are already stale, humans would only briefly fix the issue of evrima’s tiny playable list

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 2:57 AM

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humans seem to be something the devs have planned from the start, either way, theyre coming to the game eventually. they said a long while back itll probably be an option whether or not servers have them enabled

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:57 AM

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utah has the lethal pounce and illustrates small-tiers vs humans
carno has the incredible speed and illustrates mid-tiers vs humans
deino has awesome ambush and illustrates large-tiers vs humans

by seeing how these dinos interact with humans, it can be balanced so we don't have humans fighting things they really shouldn't and winning

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:57 AM

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barren zephyr I disagree. They are already stale, humans would only briefly fix the issue of e...

It's a completely new gameplay style, it would breathe new life to the game, not to mention the attraction to the game it'd bring from other markets once it gets plastered all of YT

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:59 AM

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Yet your still gonna fall into the ‘need food and water so I must run- hunt- or forage’ pattern that dinos have. Except first person, weak, and with more cooperation

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:59 AM

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imo, having humans in a smaller testing ground assists in making them more balanced in a larger ecosystem. If you can have smaller control scenarios, you can balance as more is added to the expanding ecosystem

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:00 AM

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barren zephyr Yet your still gonna fall into the ‘need food and water so I must run- hunt- or ...

yea except they get proxy VC so now I can hear my mates screaming 10 meters into a forest as he gets mauled by a utah

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:00 AM

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despite the fact the isle has a lot of issues, there's so many mechanics it has that the isle simply does better than other games like BoB, Ark, PoT etc, and humans will likely be among that too. IMO the isle has a lot better combat and visuals than other games, and humans are going to fall into that pattern too.

As wave is saying, the earlier its tested the better too

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:01 AM

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Simply give me 7 playable dino on either side- before we get humans. And I’ll be happy. I’d rather the world be more natural and have more diversity than have idiots running around the forest being easy prey and almost instantly complaining than humans need a buff- because let’s face it they are basically gonna be one shot by everything and people will be whining about that

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:01 AM

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dude, if they AREN'T one-shot, I'll whine

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lmao, I want them to be weak

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:01 AM

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As they should be

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:02 AM

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if they're weak, then power gamers will switch to dinos for that "ez stomp" experience, so tryhard humans will be less effective. Only people who want the horror experience would play them

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Which is what it should be

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:03 AM

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As long as I get maggy, cera, and elders before people- I will be happy- that is all. I won’t be thrilled. But I’ll have the two dinos I wanna play most in evrima rn. Later I’ll be down for almost an apex para, and dragon emperor spino

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:03 AM

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humans are going to be pretty easy prey as long as theyre caught of guard, but most likely theyre going to have gear and weapons to help them.

playing human in a game like this IMO, humans shouldnt rely on pure power unless its stomping on a hypsii or a hatchling, they should be relying on tactics, traps, and coordination- set ups to trap an animal you want or get it into a spot where you have the advantage, or pure avoidance and trying to get to items without being noticed by all the things than can see better, run faster, and hit harder

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:04 AM

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unlikely, since humans are still planned for this year

hoary dawn Oct 13, 2021, 3:04 AM

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funny

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:04 AM

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tepid river humans are going to be pretty easy prey as long as theyre caught of guard, but m...

i dont see mercs as something that'd need traps tbh. Sounds like the more hunt-focused tribals would go down that route

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Humans should have priority over magy

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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limber hull unlikely, since humans are still planned for this year

It’s gonna be very surprising if they actually release them- 1. On time. And 2. With such a tiny pool of playables in evrima

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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limber hull i dont see mercs as something that'd need traps tbh. Sounds like the more hunt-f...

not in the literal sense like a bear trap, but a trap tactic like making a dino player think you're alone when youre not and such

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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eh, i still dislike the idea of mercs feeling required to kill dinos, rather than employing stealth and evasion first

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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oh yeah absolutely

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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if the mercs are getting cars, boats and helis, they should be using those lmao

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 AM

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paper oriole Humans should have priority over magy

Eh- Maggy should still be made first but changed. Actually do something like make maggy 2,200 kg and give it elephant run

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And cera players will still find a way to kill it I promise you

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Why even add magy if its weight is gonna be almost doubled

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:06 AM

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making the magy 1 ton larger than it's apparent predator, the cera, seems like a flawed ideal lmao

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:06 AM

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you know people playing humans would still be trying to kill dinos though, no matter how weak they are or geared to other tactics, people have been playing low tier dinosaurs like that from the start and always will

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Then we just go back to skunk maggy idea

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Only other way it’s viable

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:07 AM

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Yea, hence the problem people have with magy

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 3:07 AM

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They shoulda just added shuno or baja. Damn shame the devs who picked magy over much cooler small-end sauropods hate sauropod fans or something

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:07 AM

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But either way, I think the first ever actually growable surapod in the isle, Should take priority over people

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:07 AM

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paper oriole They shoulda just added shuno or baja. Damn shame the devs who picked magy over ...

Shuno would’ve been a beast

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So would armaga or Baja

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:07 AM

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I think humans have been waited on for far too long, personally.

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And it'd be great to get a lot more people in using a brand new gameplay type

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 3:08 AM

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either way though, humans most likely wont be coming out before more playables, animations are being done for troodon, we've seen models and or concept art for cera, dilo, herrera, and magy, while only very early models for humans, so its easy to say that theyre a long way off and we'll certainly have a larger roster before they come into the game

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 3:09 AM

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If they have nothing better currently thought up for magy aside from pushing over shit in its weight class and tasting bad then they should postpone it and make humans higher priority

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Personally, I think they're being EXTREMELY hush hush about human development, because too much would raise expectations too high

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:09 AM

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I hope they are focusing more on dinos then people rn.

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:09 AM

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I feel like this will be a shadow-drop. I've worked for a studio that's done the same thing, remained completely silent on an extremely popular topic, then dropped it out of the blue in an update to the surprise of others

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You have no idea how excited people get when a long awaited feature just appears out of nowhere

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 3:10 AM

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limber hull I feel like this will be a shadow-drop. I've worked for a studio that's done the...

Honestly. I don’t think they are doing it, but I hope they are doing that for elders. Unless that’s gonna tie into the perk system whenever that will be.

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 3:10 AM

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tepid river either way though, humans most likely wont be coming out before more playables, ...

We have also seen a stream with Dondi playing a human btw

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Barebones, but this was months ago

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So it's possible it's been worked on since

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I'm personally not too doubtful, since we've actually SEEN the barebones framework of human gameplay

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But in the end, we just have to wait and see

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 4:07 AM

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considering humans arent even on the trello board though, theyre prob still a ways off

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 4:09 AM

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again

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i feel that they're not committing to a specific update and would prefer to keep the exact release a secret

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i think it's very intentional how secretive they're being on the matter

tepid river Oct 13, 2021, 4:13 AM

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could be, but with how much of the core gameplay itd change, imo it'd be like keeping nesting or night time a secret. we probably wont know until significant progress is made, but to drop humans out of nowhere or very short notice seems like a very bad idea to me for something thats been planned for so long

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 4:13 AM

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With humans, its not like adding a new dino or a new survival mechanic like fractures. It's an entirely new playstyle and faction, and the longer they hype it up, the more expectations will have to be met. Hence only referring to human development vaguely or not much at all, it's to make the release an exciting reveal

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 4:17 AM

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tepid river could be, but with how much of the core gameplay itd change, imo it'd be like ke...

I personally think it's under wraps for good reason. I don't feel it's like nesting or NV tho, I wouldn't make that comparison, because those are primarily QoL mechanics that improve and add depth to the already existing dino gameplay. Humans, however, are a completely NEW way to play, and we'll likely see more "human things" added to the roadmap after their implementation as they are recognised as a faction

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@molten dagger it isn't Jurassic, the game is modern

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(also we have several dinos from outside the Jurassic period lmao)

lapis tree Oct 13, 2021, 5:06 AM

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@molten dagger like what Wavepoole said it’s not in the Jurassic nor any other period but is taking place during the modern era.

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 5:18 AM

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limber hull i feel that they're not committing to a specific update and would prefer to keep...

hence why it's planned for this year (being the only information we have)

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 5:19 AM

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exactly

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"this year" is far more vague than "update 4" or "november"

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 5:20 AM

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yes

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 5:22 AM

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plus the lack of info is to prevent too much hype for a specific thing and to create leniency in what they plan to do with them

rare fractal Oct 13, 2021, 6:16 AM

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sigh

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Getting killed by pachys while playing teno sucks

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Not much you can do to stop em

stark dust Oct 13, 2021, 8:13 AM

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ffs why do people think its a bad idea that ptera should heal stam while flying personally ptera should heal stam while flying

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 8:18 AM

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Probably because it makes the dino even more powerful than it already is

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Ptera is a hard S-Tier animal, one of the best in the game. Literally not a thing can kill ptera if it doesn't feel like dying

stark dust Oct 13, 2021, 8:19 AM

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eh personally I think its stupid that you cant heal stam while flying but its your opinion after all plus ptera in base stats it weak

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 8:19 AM

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Absolutely not

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Just because it's bad at combat doesn't mean it's a bad creature

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Ptera can fucking FLY and has the best mobility in the game bar none

stark dust Oct 13, 2021, 8:20 AM

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sheesh ok mate I mean its pretty much screwed if it landed on the water and theres a juvi deino around

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 8:20 AM

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This makes it near impossible to track as it doesn't leave footprints, extremely hard to follow as it can fly above dense forests and lose the hunter or just ditch when its caught by a predator

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 8:21 AM

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stark dust sheesh ok mate I mean its pretty much screwed if it landed on the water and ther...

Exactly, nothing is a threat to ptera's survival but it's own mistakes. If the ptera is good and never falls in the water, it will never have to worry about that deino

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Ptera is the BEST creature in the game atm, and it honestly needs to have a predator at somepoint because its bland how easy it is

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It does not need a buff unless it has a constant natural predator to counter it

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 8:33 AM

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if you give ptera stam regen while flying, it will officially become a brain dead animal to use

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your stam management is pretty much the only thing that requires some level of skill to play ptera

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and even that is bare minimum skill level

lapis tree Oct 13, 2021, 9:16 AM

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@ivory mortar you know Pteradactylus is a different Pterosaur to Pteranodon (the actually Pterosaur in the game).

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Also you can just land on top of trees and trees stumps

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Also also welcome to Evirma everything is “Immersive” and “Realistic”

brittle ermine Oct 13, 2021, 9:43 AM

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Ppl like muh idea? PogBlue

spice shell Oct 13, 2021, 10:38 AM

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limber hull Exactly, nothing is a threat to ptera's survival but it's own mistakes. If the p...

Yeah bring on the quetz and hoomans in helos 🙂

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paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:27 AM

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Lmao that ptera suggestion is actuslly gross

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And wtf is “jurassic immersion”

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:29 AM

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paper oriole Lmao that ptera suggestion is actuslly gross

150 bite force ptera

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just fucking imagine

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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150 bite force and flying stam regen

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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lmao true

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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He wants ptera to be some apex level horror lmao

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Leave quetz for that lmao

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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An actual nightmare

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:30 AM

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I'd like for quetz to have apex-level growtimes but small-level weight

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Idk about apex level growtimes he seems like a mid tier glass cannon to me

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:31 AM

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Fair

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But I'd say the amount of size you get with quetz should be slower, but you have the benefit of, you know, flight

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:31 AM

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He is extremely lightweight but could probably punch up if he is very careful. And yeah quetz shouldnt be as zippy as ptera

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Ptera is like a pin missile

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Well, quetz could probably accelerate in a straight line but not turn on a dime like ptera

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:32 AM

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A high bite force for quetz would be fine too. Quetz should have a higher all-round speed than ptera (except a slower swimmer), far more damage, more health and so on, but be a much longer grow and very vulnerable on land

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Medium bite, high damage on its peck

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Honestly, I'd say the biggest quetz predator should straight up be a herrera

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Maybe a side slap with its beak as a minor cc too

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Since quetz is so lightweight, herrera would climb up to perching and nesting spots and utterly fuck one up with an ambush before the quetz notices it

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Pouncing predators will probably be quetz' main threats. Utah and herrera

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:34 AM

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Herrera mainly imo, since utah won't be as good at reaching their perches

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:35 AM

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Fair yeah, though adhdarchids spend a decent amount of time on the ground

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They are pretty decent ground runners, hed probably have good ground stam and decent speed to finish off prey on the ground

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:36 AM

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I think that quetz should probably end up with one of the weaker stam regens in the game tbh. But high speed in everything but water sounds good

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:36 AM

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It feels like sort of an ambusher so low stam regen makes some sense

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:36 AM

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But knowing how long quetz could fly, having higher stam and lower regen would fit perfectly

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:36 AM

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A glass cannon should want to end conflicts fast

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So if it gets low on stam in a hunt it should dip because it wont want to regen it on the ground, adds a bit more difficulty so it doesnt just bully a dryo for 30 minutes like i can do on ptera lol

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 11:40 AM

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Ptera having agility and stam regen, but less stam means it should want to end a chase quickly. Quetz's speed and higher stampool but slow stam regen would make it something that would spend a lot of time flying around in search of food, then using a lot of stam in a chase before resting for a very long while

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Honestly if we just got some minor stam regen while clinging, I'd be happy and never want for stam regen while flying. Doesn't have to be 100% regen, but 30-40% isn't asking too much imo, seeing as you can't even dismount a cling back into flight when you still have like 15-20% stam for whatever dumb reason TI_Derp

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It is weird how fragile Ptera is when it comes to landing in water though, considering they're kinda going the sea-bird route with it

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Even if you land in the ocean with no deino around, you're basically dead

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Ptera's stam is already more than good enough without being able to regen in totally unreachable areas

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Hell it can already land on pretty unreachable spots to regen

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:44 PM

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I mean I guess. It does have some parts I'm not totally happy with considering what Ptera is. Its got pretty garbage fall resistance considering its basically a bird

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And falling in any deep water without land nearby is a death sentence

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Plus in the future we will have climbing dinos like Hererra that will be a threat to it

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:47 PM

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Extra smalls do have a weird lack of fall damage resistance but i doubt herrera will be much of a threat on the more exposed clinging surfaces that ptera can choose from . He doesn’t need any more leniency on stamina

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:49 PM

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I do see your point but still, differing matter of opinion. Also depends how Ptera nesting will work but its not like they're likely to have vertical surface nests and it doesn't seem like (at least in my testing) that fresh spawn pteras can cling

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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It'd be nice for Ptera to regen a bit of stam when clinging
But it's not necessary right now until Herrara and Quetz make it in

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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it's already pretty much brainless to play lol

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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You know, when Ptera actually needs those mechanics

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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I mean I'm not against waiting but I think we should get it eventually lol

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:50 PM

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Yeah, it'd be nice

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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dont think clinging regen would be necessary for ptera with quetz and herrera in either like why would that make a difference

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Because ptera already dies in like 1 bite even to a Utah

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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yeah and thats fair

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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There's possibility of yet another flyer coming too, so there'd be even more dogfights

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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you gotta willingly put yourself in danger to die to utah

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:51 PM

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I mean I didn't say it was unfair, I just said you die to basically everything that's not Hypsi or Dryo lol

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If it gets you

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:52 PM

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You don't really die as Ptera though

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Which is what people are bringing up

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:52 PM

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yeah thats why you can fly to get away from that and you got enough stam to cover massive ground in one jump

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:52 PM

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It's very hard to kill a Ptera, and if you do it's because of luck
It's rare

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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its hard to kill a ptera and it isnt rewarding to kill a ptera

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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There are always Ptera willing to go to other players though lol

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Ptera are pretty small as well as thin

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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theyre basically made of bone and leather

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:53 PM

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Quetz would suite your playstyle of being a flying badass

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:54 PM

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Eh not really asking for a flying badass for Ptera. Just be nice if Cling allowed some mild regen. At least enough to push off back into flight 1 time, because you can have a chunk of stam left and the game still won't let you take off

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:55 PM

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dont think the people who waste all their stam on takeoff and doing fancy air tricks really need the forgiveness of clinging regen

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:55 PM

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It would be nice
But cling is a gimmick
Don't know why they added it since Ptera doesn't fly in cluttered rainforests

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:55 PM

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like i just dont want ptera to be even easier to play than it is now

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its the easiest thing in the game

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its the least vulnerable thing in the game

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:56 PM

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barren zephyr It would be nice But cling is a gimmick Don't know why they added it since Pt...

Except most of our AI spawn in the forest TI_LUL

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:56 PM

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Cling regen can wait until there's a need for it to be in the game

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:56 PM

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wont be a need ever unless ptera becomes allergic to grass lol

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Maybe Ptera can cling on a tree above a kill?
To observe it without burning stam until the predator is gone

ashen elm Oct 13, 2021, 1:57 PM

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I want cling on a small flyer that has terribad regen. Something close to a glider where it actually needs it to conserve stamina.

Alternatively Tupan because cling can be used to get fruit easier.

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:57 PM

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Honestly I just love clinging to trees in plains around pond watching people kill each other and heckling calls lol Its great TI_Wheeze

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:57 PM

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if ptera can land on a tree branch and perch there sure it should regen stam but it shouldnt have socketing assistance to get on to the branch

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cling regen would make a lot more sense on a jungle flyer yeah

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something that doesnt have a ton of air time

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unliek ptera who has insane air time

ashen elm Oct 13, 2021, 1:58 PM

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Yes

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:58 PM

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paper oriole if ptera can land on a tree branch and perch there sure it should regen stam but...

I would agree but branches don't have collision TI_Succ

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 1:58 PM

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the small ones yeah they dont, some big ones do. i wish theyd change that

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 1:59 PM

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I'd like to be optimistic and say "they will later" but lbh its not super likely plus idk what that'll do to performance which is already pretty bad

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:00 PM

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theres probably a reason they dont have collision but idk i guess we'll have to wait and see

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 2:00 PM

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~~I'd like to say its not laziness but~~

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:00 PM

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would be nice if some of the massice tree species were actually built in to the environment so they could be solid

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Agreed. Those massive trees with branches that are as big as trees themselves have no collision at all and that's just... disappointing. To say the least

ashen elm Oct 13, 2021, 2:01 PM

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Maybe they'll do it when they add Herrera. Otherwise climbing is gonna be awkward.

Expect to land on a branch and just fall through TI_Trollge

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:02 PM

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imagine being a herrera trying to jump form one tree to another big fat meaty branch and you just flop to your death because it has no collision lol it might be confusing

ashen elm Oct 13, 2021, 2:02 PM

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Exactly lol

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 2:02 PM

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I would literally never play Hererra if that was the case lmfao

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And I'm very interested in climbing

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:02 PM

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if they are still making new forest biomes like the redwoods maybe theyre considering the hologram branch issue so herrera can at least have some safe biomes

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if they dont fix all the others

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:06 PM

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I imagine the tree reworks for the climbing mechanic is gonna be hell

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Then testing it will be even more hell

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 2:07 PM

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I mean it depends on what the reworks are

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I would hope at least they've designed the map already with some of these things in mind

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And Cling seems like their preliminary test towards Climbing mechs

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But I would think at least it'd be a simple matter of take old assets>assign new collisions>save over old assets>assets already in-game update with the new collision

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Diving Ptera 💪

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:12 PM

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Diving Ptera is based

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Skimming is for the weak

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 2:21 PM

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barren zephyr Skimming is for the weak

👏

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:24 PM

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i like skimming because i get to watch other pteras i play with get munched by crocs after fucking up and falling in the river TI_Troll

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:25 PM

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@dense meteor That's an issue with nutrient drain, no need to add something for a tweak

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:27 PM

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paper oriole i like skimming because i get to watch other pteras i play with get munched by c...

I agree that it has much satisfaction, and those people that are skimming are easy targets should you decide to kill your own, but imagine how satisfying it would be to watch some dumbass dive in and get mauled by deinos underwater

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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You'd see some bubbles
Then the water slowly turning red

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 2:28 PM

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oceanic diving would be badass yeah especially when we get a marine/coastal roster in 10 years

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:29 PM

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That’s the isle spirit, think something is really cool and then have it never be implemented

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 2:31 PM

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Tradition

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:35 PM

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@errant pagoda Ptera can still smell footprints while flying, it’s just automatic now and you have to be quite close to the ground to have it work

errant pagoda Oct 13, 2021, 2:35 PM

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what do you mean with automatic?

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like I don´t have to press smell?

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:35 PM

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You don’t have to hold q, they just kind of appear

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:36 PM

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footprints appear in close proximity to them

errant pagoda Oct 13, 2021, 2:36 PM

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okay I played for 4 hours today and couldn´t se ANY footprints at all, beides 6 at a beach that stayed there for the whole time

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I revisited that spot multiple times

limber hull Oct 13, 2021, 2:36 PM

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you cant see your own footprints btw

errant pagoda Oct 13, 2021, 2:37 PM

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so something is brutally broken about it, it seems

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as a Raptor I also had some footprints never disappear. especially those of Ai dinos. They just stay where you smelled them and never despawn

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for as long aus you stay in the server

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quite problematic, I feel

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Yeah I remember I got close to some stegos the other day, and their footprints remained in the same spot for like at least 2-3 hours

errant pagoda Oct 13, 2021, 2:44 PM

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maybe relog fixes it, but who dares to logout and tries to rejoin with the current server situation ^^

weak dune Oct 13, 2021, 3:05 PM

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paper oriole i like skimming because i get to watch other pteras i play with get munched by c...

Pteras can actually be snatched without even falling in if a Deino times it right

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Speaking from experience on both sides of the snapping lol

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:15 PM

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EU1 11/75 players and can't join... once again. I don't understand why the QA servers have been a reall problem joining

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:35 PM

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WHY CAN I NOT JOIN AN EMPTY SERVER? Do they want us to test?

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:46 PM

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reef nacelle WHY CAN I NOT JOIN AN EMPTY SERVER? Do they want us to test?

cause they're down

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and the programmers are mainly asleep/working

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its the community's fault for crashing the servers tbh

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if yall stopped killing everything on site the servers would probably work

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:49 PM

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lavish quail cause they're down

That would make sense apart from the fact the server number keeps changing. So players are managing to join

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:49 PM

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lavish quail if yall stopped killing everything on site the servers would probably work

AI kills everything, blame them

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:49 PM

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they're joining a sever that isnt working using queues that don't work

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:49 PM

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reef nacelle AI kills everything, blame them

And the ai eat the bodies they kill

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so its more players being morons

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Wow, so judgemental of players

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Not wrong tho am I?

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:50 PM

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lavish quail they're joining a sever that isnt working using queues that don't work

I have run an Ark server before and crashed servers don't show when players join and leave

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Thats steams fault

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same with most small games using steam servers

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:51 PM

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lavish quail Not wrong tho am I?

Judgemental does not mean you are wrong

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:51 PM

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lavish quail same with most small games using steam servers

Steam servers?

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:52 PM

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Yeah

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 3:53 PM

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... me thinks you have a backside you are speaking out of there. Unless you mean something else like: Steams network? But what does that have to do with in game server searches?

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 3:56 PM

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reef nacelle ... me thinks you have a backside you are speaking out of there. Unless you mean...

Ask someone else

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its the reason you cant see most servers

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 4:11 PM

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jesus. why is QA making my gpu fan go 100% WTF

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https://tenor.com/view/wtf-david-shittscreek-gif-15625591

Tenor

brittle ermine Oct 13, 2021, 4:46 PM

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barren zephyr jesus. why is QA making my gpu fan go 100% WTF

Skeel eessue

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 4:56 PM

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brittle ermine Skeel eessue

?!

brittle ermine Oct 13, 2021, 5:00 PM

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barren zephyr ?!

||skill issue||

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 5:01 PM

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skill issue? 100% fan? low fps? lol what kid.

brittle ermine Oct 13, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Lack of ||skill||

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 5:04 PM

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true

hoary dawn Oct 13, 2021, 5:06 PM

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true

urban flax Oct 13, 2021, 5:15 PM

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true

deft kindle Oct 13, 2021, 5:29 PM

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4 fatal error in 20min damn

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 6:23 PM

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letting people throw up voluntarily brings the same issue as a shit mechanic, it just panders to trolls who will aim it at people to be annoying

dense meteor Oct 13, 2021, 6:44 PM

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paper oriole letting people throw up voluntarily brings the same issue as a shit mechanic, it...

Well I deinos hungers drains slower than it's diet so over time I get less and less of my diet needs cause I can't eat anymore and as a deino you can't throw up at no matter how much you eat so something needs to be changed about that

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 6:45 PM

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arent deinos excluded from diets

dense meteor Oct 13, 2021, 6:45 PM

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paper oriole arent deinos excluded from diets

They are but it still gets buffs from a perfect diet

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 6:46 PM

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if deino who is excluded from diets somehow has issues keeping up with diets then that should be adjusted, voluntary vomiting has a lot of trolling/griefing potential

dense meteor Oct 13, 2021, 6:48 PM

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paper oriole if deino who is excluded from diets somehow has issues keeping up with diets the...

They eat anything that's their diet, the problem is the hunger bar drains slower than the diet bars so over a period of time I will be at 100% full hunger but only 10% on diet bars because I don't lose hunger fast enough to keep up with the benefits of having your diet bar filled

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 6:48 PM

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yeah thats what i meant, it should eb adjusted

lavish quail Oct 13, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Give pachy carno leg break and ill like it

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 6:48 PM

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if rates are adjusted there is no need to throw up

zealous violet Oct 13, 2021, 7:01 PM

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-peeks in- Servers still being a pain?

last fern Oct 13, 2021, 7:03 PM

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where is the content for envirma o keep seeing? havent had a update on it from steam. but see other people on youtube playing the lastest ver

reef nacelle Oct 13, 2021, 7:03 PM

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QA version

last fern Oct 13, 2021, 7:04 PM

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qa version?

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 7:04 PM

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this

last fern Oct 13, 2021, 7:05 PM

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oh okay thank you

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is there enough people on there worth redownloading the game again?

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 7:05 PM

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on qa? probably

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seems pretty active

last fern Oct 13, 2021, 7:06 PM

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i may try that later once i talk to my buddy

hybrid matrix Oct 13, 2021, 8:29 PM

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barren zephyr jesus. why is QA making my gpu fan go 100% WTF

its cuz ur computer bad lol

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 8:40 PM

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paper oriole letting people throw up voluntarily brings the same issue as a shit mechanic, it...

or worse

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 8:46 PM

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hybrid matrix its cuz ur computer bad lol

no its not.

hybrid matrix Oct 13, 2021, 8:50 PM

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well obviously its not good enough

scarlet verge Oct 13, 2021, 9:26 PM

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for the troodon suggestion, have it mimic what the humans are saying but it sounds like static to them, but it plays whatever the human was saying to the mercs

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:32 PM

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Pretty sure monitors, at least the large ones, dont drop tails like other lizards do

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And im even more sure that shit wouldnt grow back if they did

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Also i doubt even small monitors would drop their tails because theyre often arboreal. Megalania dropping tail would look dumb and be unrealistic

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:35 PM

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On the contrary, I believe it is quite within the realm of possibility in the world of The Isle, as seen in the multitude of abilities not seen in real life. I even think Megalania dropping it’s tail would look not dumb, but unique and fascinating, playing on the aesthetics of other creatures like Ben 🙂

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Ben looks dumb too

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Just gonna be honest here

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It was funny for maybe 2 days and then it got overplayed

strange wave Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 PM

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hasty dagger On the contrary, I believe it is quite within the realm of possibility in the wo...

tenonto should drop its tail tbh
not like it needs it to defend itself, its got claws n shit

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:36 PM

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TI_Wheeze

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Imagine

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:40 PM

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strange wave tenonto should drop its tail tbh not like it needs it to defend itself, its got ...

I wouldn’t be opposed to it, Teno is a cool animal but at times I do feel like the large tail detracts from the design? Maybe it could rapidly shed layers of skin and shoot them off as projectiles for defense

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:44 PM

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This has got to be satire now lmao

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In fact even the original suggestion looks like satire now that i reread it

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:46 PM

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isnt the whole purpose of dropping your tail is to confuse low IQ predators that your detached wiggling tail is alive

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:46 PM

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For the purposes of maintaining plausible deniability, I will neither confirm nor deny this

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:46 PM

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Should deino drop its tail too? It looks pretty heavy

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Maybe rex should drop its arms if it feels threatened

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:47 PM

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that only works on low IQ predators

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lmfao

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:48 PM

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The Isle Players are generally below the IQ of the average chimp, well within the bounds of being fooled

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:48 PM

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Stego doesnt need those plates, he should shoot them at attackers like frisbees

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:49 PM

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hasty dagger The Isle Players are generally below the IQ of the average chimp, well within th...

yes the isle players tend to do dumb things in game, but no one is going to look at a teno tail on the floor and be like "wHy Is ThE tEnO dAnCiNg On ThE fLoOr" whilst the player teno is galloping away into the sunset

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:49 PM

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Also even if it gives food, players want to kill

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They will still run down the now tailless player and kill them

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:50 PM

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these are humans playing this game, not Low IQ animals

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Tenonto tails are full of meat and connective tissue that cant be compared to a gecko dropping its usless little twig tail or its regenerating fat storage tail

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Kosing shouldn’t affect game balance, and I’m just going to have to disagree entirely with the intelligence sentiment, speaking from experience of both others, and my own stupidity.

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I stand by my beautifully crafted suggestion

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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so you're saying you'd fall for the "drop your tail" trick

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:51 PM

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Most definitely

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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this is a joke, right?

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Yea it is

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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hasty dagger For the purposes of maintaining plausible deniability, I will neither confirm no...

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paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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But its still fun to fight about

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So

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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hasty dagger .

oh oh didnt see that

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:52 PM

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Im 99.9% sure this is a satire suggestion

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 9:53 PM

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i read the post and came here to type my thoughts

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:53 PM

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TI_Troll

hasty dagger Oct 13, 2021, 9:53 PM

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TI_dondiSmile

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 9:54 PM

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TI_Smug

honest sparrow Oct 13, 2021, 10:13 PM

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Me when a tail is oftentimes a lizard’s best weapon

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Monitors need that shit unlike a crested gecko or something

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 10:29 PM

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hasty dagger On the contrary, I believe it is quite within the realm of possibility in the wo...

This is an interesting idea, however realistically I cannot see a full grown megalania dropping its tail, however I can see this being a feature for hatchlings, juvis, and maybe subadults. The idea is a bit out there since monitors can't drop there tails in reality, but it is the isle after all, and realism was never the real goal, so maybe, certainly an intriguing concept.

hoary dawn Oct 13, 2021, 10:31 PM

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it was a joke suggestion

last lily Oct 13, 2021, 10:54 PM

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Before the storm begins: ew Rhino anky

sacred moat Oct 13, 2021, 10:55 PM

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Silence

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 10:56 PM

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Its caved in back shits on the whole rest of the design

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They coulda given it split armour without that

last lily Oct 13, 2021, 10:57 PM

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It lacks the chonk needed of an Ankylosaur.. It looks like they haven't changed anything at all , at least design wise with two of arguably the worst designs shown thus far.

dark plinth Oct 13, 2021, 11:07 PM

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acro not lookin much better

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Acro's pattern would fit a small theropod much better

pale schooner Oct 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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^

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Like i could see that on a troodon or something but not a huge fat fuck like acro

pale schooner Oct 13, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Shapes too big for such a bulky animal. Also guys, ignore the colors. The skin system makes those concerns void

fathom idol Oct 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Sad we won't be getting another Blue Acro. I really like the Legacy one. This new skin looks interesting but because the dino is so...heavy looking, it just doesn't fit. Might be a better skin for the new Giga. Reminds me of the old yellow juvi skin it used to have.

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:11 PM

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If they took that acro skin and made it an alt troodon skin itd be great but yeah the huge thick stripes dont work well on something of that size/shape

fathom idol Oct 13, 2021, 11:12 PM

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The details on the tail are great I think. Its just the whole picture - the animal itself.

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Ir herrera even would look pretty decent with that skin. Just something smaller and leaner

fathom idol Oct 13, 2021, 11:15 PM

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I just hope this won't be the only skins we can pick..

pale schooner Oct 13, 2021, 11:18 PM

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They’ll be customizable color wise I imagine

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Also, cmon man 😭😭😭

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Soundwave did a phenomenal skin that makes the bulk look good

last lily Oct 13, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Doesn't Soundwave in general make phenomenal skins??

pale schooner Oct 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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He does. He even makes acro look intimidating

fathom idol Oct 13, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Hate to say it but all new Evrima skins on the animals are kinda...meh... except for Ptera. Really like the white on the wingtips. But Utah really needs something else, same with Teno. Its just one big pile of browns.

paper oriole Oct 13, 2021, 11:23 PM

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patterns-wise most of the skins have been pretty good but the acro skin just doesnt fit for the animal

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at least the skin system will save us from the clay and shit palette some dinos are currently stuck with

dark plinth Oct 13, 2021, 11:35 PM

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acro is so damn thick. you know the world shakes when he walks

hoary dawn Oct 13, 2021, 11:41 PM

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ark acro better

fathom idol Oct 13, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Primal carnage Acro better too ^^

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 11:53 PM

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thank you @strange wave

strange wave Oct 13, 2021, 11:54 PM

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barren zephyr thank you <@!474013349164875784>

TI_Troll

barren zephyr Oct 13, 2021, 11:54 PM

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strange wave <:TI_Troll:472576085482143745>

Demo_laugh

meager tiger Oct 14, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Why does Anky look so frail and weak

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Looks like a runt

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For something that was supposed to defend itself from a fuckin T-rex that thing looks pathetic compared to Stego

patent crystal Oct 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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got stepped on

paper oriole Oct 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Anky looks like an edgy t rex from a poorly voice acted dinosaur movie pushed a boulder on to its back from the top of a canyon

meager tiger Oct 14, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Where the fuck is it's spike sides

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It's giant club tail?

paper oriole Oct 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Gone, reduced to atoms

meager tiger Oct 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Big meaty legs

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Google ankylosaurus I see thousands of better artwork

paper oriole Oct 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

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The devs were so fixated on their “anky bad animal” stance that they turned it in to a bad animal

meager tiger Oct 14, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Fucking toxic devs

paper oriole Oct 14, 2021, 12:19 AM

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they hate anky

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They didnt even try to hide it they shittalked anky so much

meager tiger Oct 14, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Monster Spino Yup. All the way. A somewhat cool looking anky? nah fam

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You get a duck turtle

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Shelless duck turtle

paper oriole Oct 14, 2021, 12:19 AM

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Monster spino is gross af too but anky design is leagues worse