#general-feedback-discussion

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keen vapor
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If aiming down sights just drained stamina that would be very annoying

urban flax
paper geyser
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That’s an interesting suggestion

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Would prevent people from camping while ads

keen vapor
urban flax
keen vapor
paper geyser
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Should be slower drain the lower your stance, so 100% speed while standing, 50 while crouching, 10 while prone or something or zero even

urban flax
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Basically you're just not able to keep on aiming down indefinitely then run away with full stam

urban flax
hybrid matrix
keen vapor
paper geyser
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Would encourage snipers to hunker down instead of running around and trying to snipe standing

keen vapor
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its one of thoose small touches that make using weapons feel a lot better and natural

urban flax
hybrid matrix
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I changed it again

urban flax
paper geyser
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Thats not at all what I meant, I hate your suggestion.

urban flax
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I wanna see how other people feel about it

keen vapor
paper geyser
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I’m for stam drain while aiming, not arbitrary sensitivities

keen vapor
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im for stam draining when you steady your aim

urban flax
hybrid matrix
keen vapor
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I feel like the playstyle of using a sniper is hiding somewhere, laying down, spotting a target at a range, steady your aim then fire

paper geyser
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Forget sensitivity, we’re past that toggle stuff

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We’re onto stam drain while ads

hybrid matrix
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Can one of you guys just reply to my suggestion with what you want

keen vapor
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I just dont understand why do you Not want steady aiming to be a thing? wouldnt that just be a really nice and useful mechanic?

urban flax
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I really have a tendency to turn simple suggestions into essays

keen vapor
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mabye not the stam drain for just simply aiming

urban flax
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Bruh you said you were for it

keen vapor
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i feel like that would be just annoying for players

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when steadying yeah

urban flax
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Oh I misread

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Well in my suggestion I'm assuming you're not getting steady aim
And even if you are, I still think simply aiming should drain some stam

hybrid matrix
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Steadying urself should take more stam than just aiming

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Then sniping requires more strategy

keen vapor
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i get what you mean

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It just shouldt be viable to shoot without steadying as aim drift will just make you miss

urban flax
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Personnally I consider just aiming is already steadying your aim
Since in most shooters you can already shoot without hitting the aim button
So it should cost some stam
Weapons are heavy

hybrid matrix
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Some stam ig is fine

keen vapor
hybrid matrix
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Not just snopers

keen vapor
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also i dont think hipfire on dinos would be balanced, at all

hybrid matrix
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Also ARs

urban flax
keen vapor
keen vapor
hybrid matrix
urban flax
paper geyser
hybrid matrix
keen vapor
hybrid matrix
paper geyser
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Yeah, get used to your current one then

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That’s quite literally just a personal problem

keen vapor
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Ar scopes dont decrease FOV either so it would just be really annoying to not be able to aim at 0 stam

urban flax
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Most FPS are just too easy regarding that

hybrid matrix
paper geyser
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ARs are heavy enough

hybrid matrix
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If snipers are heavy ARs are between mid and low-end medium

keen vapor
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well trained person could aim for long periods with it easily

urban flax
# hybrid matrix ARs arent super heavy

Realistically, raising your hands in front of you without holding anything will tire you. I'm not asking to push it that far, but it would be neat to an extent

paper geyser
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Depending on which one it is unless it’s skeletonised you’re gonna struggle to hold it up all day. Stam drain for aiming will act like a balance mechanic

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Mercs shouldn’t and don’t need to be aiming down sight 24/7

hybrid matrix
keen vapor
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this discussion is spiralling into realism oh no

urban flax
hybrid matrix
paper geyser
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Someone brought real life weight into it lol, im just explaining that an AR is still heavy

urban flax
hybrid matrix
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Ebough stam that you csnt do it for ridiculous lengths, but not enough to make it stupid

paper geyser
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Yeah, obviously

urban flax
keen vapor
urban flax
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That weapon deals too much damage, but reducing it would remove its entire point ? Make it cost a lot of stam to aim with, see what happens

keen vapor
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Its not that impactful when it comes to weapons but some ajustments needs to be made

urban flax
keen vapor
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Take silencers for example, would be super OP if they were totally realistic as there are barely any drawbacks to it IRL

urban flax
hybrid matrix
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Irl silencers are still very loud

urban flax
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Since irl they are a comfort thing and don't actually make weapons silent

keen vapor
paper geyser
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They’re mostly useful for outdoors shooting, sound won’t travel as far. Shoot that thing anywhere near someone and they’ll hear you regardless, it just won’t hurt their ears

hybrid matrix
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If you have a big enough silencer then it could probably completely silence the shot but that isnt real

keen vapor
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A silencer on a sniper would be a bit too strong though i feel

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You can just shoot without worrying about revealing your pos

paper geyser
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Well it would hardly make a difference, I don’t see a point in adding suppressors tbh

hybrid matrix
keen vapor
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mabye not

paper geyser
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If they make them realistic they’ll not be very useful, and if they make them Hollywood they’ll be op

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But I guess we’ll see what’s planned

hybrid matrix
paper geyser
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Where do you draw the line?

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It’ll require extensive testing, that’s for sure

swift dew
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I love how people come here to give the devs shit about their "slow updates" as dev team with only 3 active programmers. so then we have minecraft over here who is AAA, and they realease one update per year TI_Wheeze

hybrid matrix
feral solstice
lavish quail
feral solstice
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1.18 snapshot for MC has a performance bug where your frames would tank if you place down seeds last I played lol

hybrid matrix
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Im literally trolling lmao

feral solstice
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Oh

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Wel shit

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Don’t know what to expect from anyone TI_Trollge

swift dew
frail sleet
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Figured I’d check here but do we know if there’s ever going to be a wider chat option or will it remain within the species?

urban flax
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It will probably remain within the species

frail sleet
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That’s fair

hybrid matrix
swift dew
dense meteor
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Well the amount they release per update isn't enough content compared to those companies that do release 4 updates a year then again it is a smaller company based on those that do release 4 times a year, if they want this game to succeed and sky rocket I feel like they need to hire some more people

paper geyser
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they are

dense meteor
paper geyser
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i believe they still are yes

dense meteor
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That's good

urban flax
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They're looking for a network coder and a feather texturer iirc

feral solstice
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actually they have been fixing bugs previously but now that the stress test is pretty much in the final stages of prepping, they stopped, which is a good development move

Seems to be hard to understand by this community

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Stress tests are objectively way more useful than releasing a patch to the public and fixing it there

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Stress tests give even better data

meager tiger
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How does me running around being a bird pheaset eating a bush give better data

feral solstice
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More than just eating a bush but okay

meager tiger
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Ok I died to a raptor and bleed damage

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Bro how does standing still and crouching cause you to die anyways

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If your tiny and bleeding your screwed lol

feral solstice
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Because.. you’re still bleeding?

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You’re supposed to wallow and quickly find a place to sit

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and also because the devs want Utah to be a bleeder dino

meager tiger
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Wallo? While getting chased? And a potential croc? The fuck. I've never seen any animal in a documentary decide to roll around while getting chased.

feral solstice
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Well then that’s rip lol

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Raptor earned the kill

vestal rune
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bleeding dinos generally don't survive irl lol

meager tiger
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Whoever thought that was a good idea neds to be fired

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Yeah I know

vestal rune
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ANIMALS

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I mean dinos as well but y'know, too specific

meager tiger
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But if bleeding is instakill

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What's the point in running or fighting

lavish quail
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that would be disgusting

meager tiger
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It is instakill

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I died

vestal rune
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you should have wallowed

lavish quail
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your just bad then

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rest or wallow

rain vector
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Bleeding isn't a instakill?? your talking about a juvie dino ofc it wont survive if you just spawned

meager tiger
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Oh ok then

lavish quail
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dont be dumb

meager tiger
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Wallow next to a croc during a chase

vestal rune
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don't be harsh, he's clearly new

meager tiger
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Whose the real dumb one

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Lol

lavish quail
rain vector
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you never know if theres gonna be a croc there dumbo

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go to a safer spot

feral solstice
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If you’re a small Dino and getting bleed out by a raptor, we’ll then, you’re fucked. Utah is a bleeder Dino and you have a small bloodpool. Gg no re

rain vector
vestal rune
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if you're a small dino and getting bled out by a raptor, your fault for getting spotted

lavish quail
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List of options to do if you have bleed:
***-***wallow
***-***rest or hide
***-***refrain from running
***-***kill your enemys

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there is alot of ways

strange wave
zealous violet
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And bushes by the water to hide in to wallow.

feral solstice
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Lmao

swift dew
# meager tiger Whose the real dumb one

you do realize not every source of water has a croc right? and there is a quite a bit if mud around that isnt even at water. if you get an injury your first priority is going to be to get away, your second priority is patching the wound, wallowing is the way you do this

honest sparrow
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Dude that suggestion

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I can’t

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I’m dying

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Scavenger rex lmfao

barren zephyr
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Trex physically could not run over a speed of around 23 miles an hour without breaking its legs

paper oriole
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Scavenger rex moment

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I fucking hate rex and i know scavenger rex is bs

barren zephyr
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At that speed it wouldn’t be catching much

paper oriole
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The paleontologist who pushed scav rex so hard admitted he had heavy bias against rex too

barren zephyr
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Did I not say an ambush predator and scavenger?

hybrid wyvern
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@barren zephyr im not about to grow a rex for 8 hours just to walk around the map and eat dead dinos

honest sparrow
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You do realize that this game has a multitude of things in rexes general size range right

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And that it can hunt smaller prey if it ambushed them

barren zephyr
paper oriole
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A 20kmh ambush predator?

hybrid matrix
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#opportunistrex4life
Rex scavenged when it could, but mostly it hunted its own food

barren zephyr
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So did you people even read the post?

hybrid wyvern
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@barren zephyr bruh rex is hard enough arleady and i want to kkill not scare

honest sparrow
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I did

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And it seems like you want 70% of rex gameplay to just be scavenging

barren zephyr
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I said specifically it would be a mix. Rex could easily crush the bones of whatever it ate. Corpses and living things alike. No shit it was an ambush predator

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I’m saying that rex should be able to do both if need be

paper oriole
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Rex could already do both

honest sparrow
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Which is what all carnivores do

hoary dawn
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cant any carnivore scavenge

honest sparrow
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Every

paper oriole
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It should be balanced to hunt, any predator can scavenge

honest sparrow
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Single

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One

hybrid wyvern
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bro listen we have no idea what a rex was like irl this is a fun game were you kill others

barren zephyr
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Yes but I’m saying here, rex shouldn’t be penalized if it eats an extremely rancid corpse

paper oriole
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Why not just say that then

honest sparrow
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^

paper oriole
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Instead of scavenger rex text wall

barren zephyr
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Cause I said it in the damn post

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And the post was about rex being able to excel at both

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It could scavenge anything it wanted to and ambush things that it could catch off guard and put speed

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Out speed

honest sparrow
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so

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just normal rex?

hybrid matrix
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Guys it says in the post ambudh hunter/scavenger

honest sparrow
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with being able to eat old corpses if it wants

barren zephyr
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I’m saying make the evrimas rex slower and more like the irl version instead of legacy having a blitz of an ambush speed

hybrid wyvern
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I think rex is very balanced in terms of play style

honest sparrow
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irl rex is an endurance monster

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I don't think you want irl rex

hybrid matrix
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Fatal is my tldr correct?

barren zephyr
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Irl rex was slow enough to be outran by humans who are simply relatively in shape

hybrid wyvern
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irl rex probably just fought other carnivores for food and didnt hunt much

barren zephyr
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And yes I did specifically say in the post an ambush hunter/scavenger

honest sparrow
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rex is a opportunist, like every other carnivore

hybrid wyvern
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there is no way a rex could ambush anything be realistic

honest sparrow
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it kills its own food and scavenges

hybrid wyvern
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its huge

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and slow

honest sparrow
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ok

barren zephyr
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And that’s what I’m saying in the goddamn post

hybrid wyvern
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how can it ambush

hybrid matrix
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Guys read the fuckin TLDR

honest sparrow
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I did irs

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I don't care

swift dew
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you do realize it only went 20 mph maximum because it didn't need go any faster right? rex was an endurance machine and anky, trike, and edmonto aren't very fast animals

hybrid wyvern
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thats why it couldnt ambush

honest sparrow
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just because its big doesn't mean it can't ambush

hybrid matrix
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It can ambush anky, trike, and edmonto

hybrid wyvern
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in irl it does

hybrid matrix
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Or in this game shant

barren zephyr
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If I hadn’t ran out of room I’d have gone on about the Giga hunting niche of being a surapod killer and a run down predator, while spino obviously ate fish

honest sparrow
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great whites, tigers, lions, eagles, polar bears, etc would like a word

hybrid matrix
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Rex can ambush larger dinos too

hybrid wyvern
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i think giga should b faster than rex or make giga stronger

honest sparrow
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it just ambushes larger than average prey

barren zephyr
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Giga is a lot faster than rex it doesn’t need to be stronger

hybrid matrix
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Giga irl was lighter than rex right?

swift dew
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there is also a difference between real thick rex, and our skinny rex

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hybrid wyvern
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no

swift dew
barren zephyr
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The entire thing about gigas were they hunted surapods and large hadrosaurs, they bled them out mainly while easily keeping pace

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Also Giga was alot more lightweight compared to rex

hybrid wyvern
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so walking

honest sparrow
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yeah giga is fine at being faster and more bleed reliant

lavish quail
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i want a cool killer rex not a big cerato

swift dew
barren zephyr
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My post said ambush rex that isn’t punished by putrid corpses, open your eyes and read

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Thou I’d for some reason imagine Giga having a bit of a sensative stomach so personally I’d want it to be a far more mobile distance hunter of hadrosaurs and surapods preferring to eat fresh meat

hybrid wyvern
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im fine with rex

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they need to fix giga

barren zephyr
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Your talking about just legacy aren’t you?

paper oriole
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Legacy giga was busted

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Op as shit against everything but rex

hybrid wyvern
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how it would get destroyed by rexes and couldnt run away

barren zephyr
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Cause legacy is not gonna change

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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Legacy giga could easily get away if it spotted the rex first

honest sparrow
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giga can completely avoid the rex matchup by having ears and pressing w the other way

barren zephyr
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Yeah Giga can walk down allos and paras and slaughters anything but rex and spoon

paper oriole
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Giga curbstomped trike and camara EZ

barren zephyr
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That too

honest sparrow
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it essentially 1 shot trike

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that's how busted it was

swift dew
paper oriole
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Yeah it could trade hits and just let the trike die while it was fine

barren zephyr
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But the Giga vs dilo match up is weird. Thou the dilo vs anything matchup is bad

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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And it was a 100% win rate against camara unless it was stupid and impatient

swift dew
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that turns into even less distance with ambush speed

barren zephyr
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Also as a Giga if you ambush a rex and get like 2 bites on it

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It’s basically dead

hybrid matrix
barren zephyr
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Hell I think you could basically bleed out a rex with one bite as a Giga

swift dew
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giga was easily the most op dinosaur in legacy, everything else at least has huge drawbacks at the adult stage. giga just doesn't

hybrid matrix
swift dew
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that TI_Trollge

barren zephyr
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But what I would’ve been able to propose with my posts as they went on was that the 3 apex carnivores wouldn’t have even had overlapping prey items. Sure anything can be hunted. But rex would hunt the larger slower things. Giga would hunt the massive surapods that can’t be outmuscled, aswell as the speedier- comparatively medium to large herbivores. While spino would inhabit the lakes and swamps that are cut off from river systems that lack deinos.

paper oriole
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Spino should hunt deinos from time to time

barren zephyr
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But when it comes to corpses rex wouldn’t have been punished by eating rotten things

honest sparrow
swift dew
honest sparrow
paper oriole
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I remember getting hit while foghting a utah and my whole hunger bar drained while healing the bleed

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Then it took hours to get the blood off the screen

swift dew
honest sparrow
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I mean

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eh

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it really depends on what is ambushing you and how good the player is

swift dew
hybrid matrix
swift dew
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2 bad matchups, one mistake against pue and you're screwed

swift dew
paper oriole
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Almost anything can solo pue

hybrid matrix
paper oriole
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If it can stack bleed or just deals enough damage it can eventually get pue

honest sparrow
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I tried that with herra once

paper oriole
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Pue has a huge blindspot

honest sparrow
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it eventually got me but I made it very scared lmao

swift dew
barren zephyr
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Herrera literally can’t bleed anything heavier than a Giga

paper oriole
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lol herrera cant kill shit sadly once a giga asked me to kill it because it wanted to reroll and i bit that bastard for 5 min before he decided to just drown himself

barren zephyr
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I did some experiments and the biggest thing Herrera can bleed out is an acro

stray holly
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Would anyone happen to know the weight a stego spawns in at?

barren zephyr
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But anything that weighs less than a Giga can actually be killed by a Herrera

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120

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I think

stray holly
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Thanks man

sacred moat
barren zephyr
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@devout sun The way their have their shit managed is in a way that they do not save previous versions of the game. Meaning they can go back and implement bug fixes for older versions of the game but they choose not to because it's slightly more difficult. The proper way to do this would be to back up previous versions of the game so you can eliminate bugs in the current build while developing on a newer build. It's really stupid.

feral solstice
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Another person with no common sense

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Seriously

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They have a STRESS TEST in its FINAL STAGES OF PREPPING, which is INHERENTLY BETTER than RELEASING A PATCH with LESS DATA THAN A STRESS TEST, and y’all want them to delay that because of a bug?

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Seriously

jovial hazel
jovial hazel
feral solstice
devout sun
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This but has existed for longer than they have been close

feral solstice
devout sun
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It's existed since I believe before the rebalance patch

feral solstice
feral solstice
devout sun
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Yeah

feral solstice
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Last I heard it started after this recent hotfix

jovial hazel
verbal basalt
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Been playing the new update and having trouble finding fish spawns for pterodactyl anyone else been having problems spotting the rings for fish or is it just me? use to notice they showed up a lot more during the day but lately i have not seen them pop up at all.

jovial hazel
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And no, it started with the balance patch.

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Before that it was wipes every 1-2 weeks because save files were causing rubber banding. They 'fixed" that and caused this.

devout sun
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Stress test isn't the update

jovial hazel
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Stress test is QA of the update.

feral solstice
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^

devout sun
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That will likely last a week or two

feral solstice
jovial hazel
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You keep saying data.. Who cares about data, they have the fix.

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This is completely separate from the coming update.

feral solstice
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Data means a lot in development wtf are you on about

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Data let’s you fix bugs

devout sun
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At the end of this it's gonna be a solid month of a bug that deletes all progress no matter what you do

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Which is way too long for something of this magnitude, especially with a fix literally being available

feral solstice
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Without data, you’re working with loose ends on an unstable build (not like Evrima isn’t)

jovial hazel
devout sun
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^^^

feral solstice
dense meteor
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This one bug has impacted the game a lot tbh I rarely see any big dinos for the past 3 days I haven't even seen a teno I've seen like 3 stegos and nooooo deinos I've even drank from the hot spots, no ones taking the game serious because of it it's impacting the gameplay in such a negative way

feral solstice
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If it fixes the bug, cool, great, fine-and-dandy, what else is it gonna break?

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For all we know rubberbanding could come back

devout sun
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Perhaps in the off chance the "fixed" but persists, then release a fix

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And fix it again if it doesn't work

feral solstice
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That’s the stress test though

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They’ll be tracking bugs within the test

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And making sure it doesn’t come back

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well, uh, with evrimas history idk about that

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But you get the point

jovial hazel
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Yeah, god forbid they fix it and leave us for a month with another game-breaking bug like our dinos not being saved.

devout sun
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Why do we have to wait though

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We shouldn't be waiting in order to save progress

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Sort of an important feature

feral solstice
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We also shouldn’t be waiting for a test that could help fix things that break after the fix.

devout sun
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This should be top priority

feral solstice
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With a regular patch, the devs aren’t really tracking anything.
With a stress test, they’re tracking bugs, making sure content works, making sure the game runs FLUIDLY.
Imagine delaying that, especially if it has a risk of breaking more things, which probably will happen imo

lavish quail
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@tired tiger wants rexes to be one shot lmao

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Humans are insta full and armed

jovial hazel
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Where is the delay? They literally have the fix already. Either they don't actually have a fix. They have no confidence or competence in what they do. Or they just don't really give a shit about the people currently playing.

lavish quail
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Rex will take like 5h

feral solstice
jovial hazel
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Lmao what

lavish quail
feral solstice
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So, trying to make sure the game is going to run fluidly and test their game is not giving a shit about the game?

paper oriole
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rex will most likely take more than 5h

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stego is 5h and its not even a true apex

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oneshotting probably a 6-7hr dino with a gun

hoary dawn
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its possible the fix exists within update 4 and cant just be applied to the current game, a lot is changing so a fix that solves the issue in update 4 might not work for update 3

jovial hazel
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It was already fixed in update 3. And then broken in update 3.

lavish quail
feral solstice
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Imagine thinking rex is skinny af and doesn’t have muscle so the bullet will pierce into its skin and it’s vital organ

hoary dawn
jovial hazel
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But I'm done with my daily rant. No point arguing about it either way. Devs have shown where they stand. We will see what happens.

paper oriole
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bears are bullet sponges and much smaller

feral solstice
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Yeah

jovial hazel
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I'm just also tired of people getting dogpiled on for speaking any sort of criticism in here.

hoary dawn
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when the criticism has flaws people will point out the flaws

feral solstice
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^

tired tiger
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nothing more nothing less

hoary dawn
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no gun should 1 shot apexes

tired tiger
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and you would need a miracle to hit

hoary dawn
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if the rex is standing still then you could get a free apex kill

paper oriole
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still a 6+ hour growth lost from a single ranged hit that can be sniped

tired tiger
paper oriole
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the apex could have 0 chance to resist

tired tiger
paper oriole
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it would just end with people sniping apexes

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even if the gunshot fucks them over

tired tiger
paper oriole
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ruining somebodys gameplay and bragging about it is enough for a lot of people

tired tiger
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maybe

jovial hazel
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You say 6+ hour growth, but who's to say how long it would take to get that rifle. Maybe it's the equivalent to a 6+ hour growth.

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I have no idea how that will actually work. Just a thought.

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Mercs gearing up will be the equivalent to dinos growing, right? I'm assuming there would be some kind of progression to get better weapons or something.

dense meteor
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Maybe quests that you have to do

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Like kill 5 pachy and you get a currency of some sort

tired tiger
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yep

paper oriole
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still apexes wont even oneshot eachother like that

jovial hazel
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True.

dense meteor
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You have to buy vehicles, guns, ammo

tired tiger
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yep

dense meteor
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And the only way to get a gun that op would probably be behind a wall like an "optional" for the quests, so kill 5 pachys consecutively with a head shot, and kill a 3 pts while flying, and then you'd have to do every "optional" in each quest like 10 times and then you unlock the gun but you only get 5 bullets and you can't buy more ammo and you can't buy the gun

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That gives it a challenge and doesn't make it op

feral solstice
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There should be no weapon like that imo

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Your goal is not to kill dinosaurs

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It’s to avoid them and only shoot them if all else fails

dense meteor
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Tbh who is gunna do that as a human

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Unless rewarded

feral solstice
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And if you’re spotted, you shouldn’t be able to walk out unscathed cause you shot the vitals or the eye

dense meteor
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Maybe a gun that tranquilizes an apex to aquire DNA that can be implemented in a way

feral solstice
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Just not in an easy way

tired tiger
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yeh

dense meteor
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Yea like I said behind quest lines or walls that way you don't just spawn in and instantly go for the big guys

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Maybe the quest is don't kill but observe

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Observe 6 pachys near 1 watering hole, Investigate this area for any wildlife around, Observe the eating habit of a stego

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Things like that and then once you do enough get a tranq that can take down am apex that benefits you in a way or maybe you could use it for your next life as a dino and give you a boost

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So like implementing the DNA you extracted into your next life

tired tiger
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but in tribal how would you upgrade then'

tired tiger
dense meteor
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Yea thats a good idea

tired tiger
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and would be fun

limber hull
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@tired tiger there should be zero circumstance ever where a merc oneshots a dino of rex size

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Think about how fun it'd be to lose a like, 8 hour or whatever the hell an apex will be to a single random bullet from a merc which is 100x smaller than you

barren zephyr
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7 + hours of growth to die in one hit seems broken. Even if it would be difficult to hit a shot

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Imagine someone with aimbot doing that

limber hull
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exactly

tired tiger
barren zephyr
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There are going to be ALOT of cheaters once mercs come out, even with the anti cheat system

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which doesn’t work properly anyways

limber hull
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mercs should feel weak and underprepared to deal with the dino threats at all. If we have instant kills, mercs will end up being THE KOS character, ruining entire servers and ecosystems for fun. It won't at all be a horror experience

barren zephyr
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If anything merc weapons should do little to no damage to apexes unless they find like an anti hyper weapon or something

limber hull
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Frankly put, if a merc can oneshot anything above a utah (and that's being generous), I reckon the game will die

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Because people will not at all find dying instantly to a ranged weapon as a melee fighter fun at all

barren zephyr
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1 hour 20 minute grow gone because funny merc guy found a good gun in a bush as soon as he spawned in

limber hull
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If you allow a player to feel like they had the option to fight back, that makes it fine. Shotguns are excellent gun choices because they encourage you to get into range and on more equal footing to the dinosaur

strange wave
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utah is i feel the perfect size to where a one shot is acceptable
because it can also just get completely decked by something else in similar time with similar way to fight back
ie, carno charge outta left field, or a tribal longbow impaling it lengthwise

barren zephyr
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Utah could easily juke a mercs shot and go in for the kill

dense meteor
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I feel like my idea with tranquilizers and extracting DNA to apply to your next life was a good idea

barren zephyr
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Utahs and troodons are probably going to be a huge problem for mercs anyways

strange wave
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yeah
and mercs will be very much encouraged to not fire using a gun, or even use a gun in general, with things like ammo rarity, and how easily a dinosaur can completely destroy you if its anywhere near you, and some dinosaurs might have parts that are just immune to bullets, along side not taking large amounts of damage if you dont hit vitals

barren zephyr
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hopefully that stops random merc clans from killing random herbivores, but you should only shoot if it’s a life or death situation

strange wave
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also nighttime will basically hard counter mercs

barren zephyr
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as soon as you kill something you need to go

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like immediately

strange wave
barren zephyr
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Pachy may very well be a nightmare

feral solstice
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Flashback to the Pachy video from The Isle

barren zephyr
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you probably won’t do much to it’s head

strange wave
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pachy can counter one strat mercs may use to stop a utah from entering a base
barring the fucking door or locking it

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pachy can just bash it in with minimal effort

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and its head is all but immune to most rounds

barren zephyr
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Merc sounds super fucking fun because of how underpowered they sound

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I said sound twice

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thanks

strange wave
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anky is in a very unique space because its immune to all but the strongest guns
and its short
like
really short

barren zephyr
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I don’t think Anky really has to worry about mercs

strange wave
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anky doesnt worry
it hunts

barren zephyr
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Anky rolling up in a ball crushing mercs

limber hull
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if i wanted dino killing sim, I'd play Primal Carnage

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(not bashing PC, just saying the dino killing game has already been done long ago)

karmic plank
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From a realism PoV only a brain shot should be fatal, but that sort of inst-kill would be pretty toxic for any large dino

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The only real way to make it fair is have the elephant gun bullets as time consuming to get as the things they kill

paper oriole
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Sometimes even elephants tank the bullets right to the forehead and are relatively fine afterwards

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Would just be plain unfair to be oneshot sniped from a distance by what can be a totally hidden enemy as a 5+hr dino without even having a chance to fight back

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People say being hit by lightning and dying is bad but this is basically equally as bad

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I think the ability to hone in with hearing and whatnot could be cool but it should really be reserved to small prey animals like dryo, compy, hypsi, ovi, velo etc

karmic plank
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I mean, horror survival is the genre, but anything which feels like RNG death is really frustrating

paper oriole
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Yeah theres no horror or survival element in being oneshot by something you could never see or fight against

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It is only frustration and a waste of time for whoever grew the dino

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A merc could be hiding somewhere that the apex would be unable to reach even if spotted and fire on them

karmic plank
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It would feel the same as the Dino loss bug atm. Just surprise, the universe says you are dead

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Everything should ultimately come down to skill or cunning

paper oriole
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Yeah would be about as survival horror as yiur dino randomly glitching and falling through the map

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Like what can you do about it

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A resting apex would just be ez oneshot kill for a merc with an elephant rifle, no skill involvement

karmic plank
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That's actually a really good point. While the meta is "sprint then rest" uber headshots guns would be broken

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Plus the full client side hit registration

paper oriole
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Oh god imagine bullets with the server lag

quaint spruce
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i would definitely say there should be 1 shot capability to apexes but it has to be super rare and on top of you knowing where the weak spots are on them with the little ammo you have

hoary dawn
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na

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people will be speedrunning op weapons within days of merc release, there should be powerful weapons but 1 shot is too op for something as long to grow as a rex

quaint spruce
barren zephyr
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@tired wagon I believe flipping turtles to eat them is already a thing

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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also ofc speedrunning will be a thing

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if a game has a goal people can achieve people will be trying to achieve it as fast as possible

feral solstice
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Insta kills should never be a thing

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With guns

hoary dawn
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insta killing smalls n stuff is fine

quaint spruce
# hoary dawn also ofc speedrunning will be a thing

i honestly doubt that but okay your opinion, devs so far have balanced things pretty well so i doubt there gonna allow players to do that.... but what do ik its not like i got over 500hrs in envirma and have my own server to test these things myself

feral solstice
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You’re a mercenary on a mission

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And that doesn’t mean shoot down the nearest apex

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You’re trying to remain unseen as pretty much every dinosaur can end you

hoary dawn
quaint spruce
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not for ever player ofc your gonna have to put in the time and obtain those items

hoary dawn
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1 shot 2 shot capability is fine when its not on things that take more then 5 hours to grow

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and rare does not mean time consuming

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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how would they make it take that much time to find a weapon

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the map would not take 5+ hours to cross, even as a merc

quaint spruce
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what if you dont find the weapon what its parts around the map and your a slow human?

hoary dawn
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what

quaint spruce
# hoary dawn what

parts on guns arent always but together yunno, id say they make it where you find the parts to make these amazing guns

hoary dawn
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even then the only thing a merc has to do is go between different sites to find the parts

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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speed is not an issue

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all a merc has to do is crouch in a bush and click on a sitting rex's eye and it wins

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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the way to balance it is to have guns be powerful so mercs can hold their own but not so powerful that they can drop what are supposed to be the most powerful playables in the game with one click

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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a gun that can 2 shot an apex with direct eye/heart shots would be better

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apexs cant 1 shot eachother what

quaint spruce
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cough elder

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cough perks

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cough hypos

hoary dawn
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who tf said apexes could 1 shot eachother?

paper oriole
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hypers are supposed to be broken

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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hypos are a level above apexes

paper oriole
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and no dev has ever said that perks or elders will enable you to oneshot other apexes

quaint spruce
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well it depends on how good you are it aint a one shot buts its a swift death fs

paper oriole
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hypers are supposed to reset an ecosystem, mercs are not

hoary dawn
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and i wouldn't say elder counts anyways cuz that's like saying a sub adult can 1 shot a juvie, they're both the same species but on entirely different growth levels

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an adult apex would not be able to 1 shot another adult apex

quaint spruce
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well no it depends on skill in the game now not how fast they can move the hit boxes which is why i like envirma so much more

hoary dawn
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how does that have anything to do with what i said tho, its not a matter of skill to say that apexes shouldn't 1 shot eachother

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even the most skilled players should not be able to

quaint spruce
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no apexs shouldnt one shot each other but who knows......

hoary dawn
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so you agree apexes shouldn't 1 shot eachother but do think a merc should

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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and there's no way to play merc that would make a 1 shot apex kill weapon fair

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there's no skill in camping an apex hunting ground and waiting for one to sit down

paper oriole
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humans are so small they can hide in areas that apexes can not see or reach and then oneshot a resting apex from a ranged distance, this allows no input from the end of the apex player and is entirely onesided

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its like if you could just get hit by lightning and die

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you couldnt have knowingly done anything about it, you were just in the wrong place at the wrong time

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no skill involvement

hoary dawn
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make it a 2 or 3 shot so the apex at least has a chance to react, then its up to your skill to finish the job

quaint spruce
paper oriole
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what skill? going to some bases and finding gun parts? aiming at a stationary target from a tree?

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doesnt sound like something that should justify you ending somebody's 6+hr game loop in a single ranged hit

quaint spruce
paper oriole
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i honestly doubt traveling as a human will be all that much harder than traveling as a juvie herbivore rn

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especially if mercs can climb

hoary dawn
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getting the gun isn't guaranteed to be hard, players will not always be in your way

quaint spruce
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I'll see y'all in the server then lmao

paper oriole
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youd also have mercs mixpacking with dinos to get the weapons

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to make it easier for the merc

quaint spruce
quaint spruce
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mixpacking is what mercs got

paper oriole
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i bet that would be the case 100%, a utah pack or something would love to help their merc friend oneshot a rex

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and would ease the process of getting weapon parts at bases

hoary dawn
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there are threats to being a merc, but there's not enough consistent danger to justify having a weapon that powerful being so simple to get

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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may as well have the op gun locked in a secure facility that is guarded by an ai hypo at all times

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then at least its a challenge

quaint spruce
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ooooooooo

quaint spruce
hoary dawn
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or better yet

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guarded by ben

quaint spruce
limber hull
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Merc is NOT a killing class, please learn this

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They are THE horror experience for the Isle

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They will be weak, vulnerable and rely more on their ability to hide, avoid and escape than attack headon

quaint spruce
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im pretty sure will see what happens.....

limber hull
limber hull
quaint spruce
limber hull
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I don't see the aggression personally lmao, but sure

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All I'm saying is that mercenaries probably will not be running around one-shotting apexes ever

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Because that entirely defeats the point of mercenaries

quaint spruce
limber hull
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Hypos that take time, effort and die extremely quickly of starvation

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In no scenario should a mercenary be as strong as a hypo

quaint spruce
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merc can maybe kill one if lucky

limber hull
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No

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Absolutely not

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If you see a hypo, you should run

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Not fight

quaint spruce
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well duhhh of course

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mercs can kill apexs maybe not in one shot but they can

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imo

limber hull
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I don't think humans should be at all comparable to hypos. Humans have far greater stealth, technology that allows them to achieve things many others can't, MUCH greater customisation, access to vehicles, etc

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They have so many tools that allow them to avoid, outwit, distract and so on that there should barely EVER be a scenario where they reliably take down apexes

quaint spruce
limber hull
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BTW I'm entirely going off speculation lmao, nothing I say is confirmed

quaint spruce
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but i still think mercs can kill a single apex in a group if they wanted too

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weather your crashing a car or little helicopter or shooting so many rounds into them the bleed out

limber hull
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I really don't think that'd be fun at all for the apex tho

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And that's a really important factor

quaint spruce
limber hull
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Imagine growing a rex for like, 8 hours or however long it will take, and some dickheads fly in and gun you down with no counterplay

quaint spruce
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i just hope this next update can bring the player base over a bit more because i absolutely love this game

honest sparrow
limber hull
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I'm just basing on what devs have shown and said

modern fjord
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One-shot is not horror for an Apex. It's unbalanced garbage.
Who cares how long it took to get such a thing, that does NOT give it the viability to one-tap an Apex.
There is no horror in getting clapped by what you can't see.
You even see the Deino before it lunges you, and pulls you under the water.
Helplessness = Horror
Dying out of nowhere by a projectile is just a cheap gimmick.

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Now... Using vehicles to trip it, and unloading a wall of lead on it while it's stumbling helplessly, is horror, and gives the apex time to recover, adding horror to the other side as well.
Even an RPG would probably do high damage to a Rex, and mar it, but one-shotting it? Nah.
Let it's leg, a weak point be hit, and the rest of the lower-tier ammo come in and finish the job, leaving the ultra-rare item as something of a CC alone, but not a kill confirm.
Hurt, but not mortally, damaged, but not dead, stunned, but not defenseless. The ability to respond to the attack is what matters.

Note: RPG as an example, but the point remains, not even something like that should be a one-shot kill on a behemoth.

If you were to attack something like that, you should be prepared to run to the final resource of your group, down to the last bullet.

limber hull
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Absolutely agreed with you.

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I don't feel afraid when I die from a sniper after spending 5 hours growing a dinosaur, I'd feel pissed

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Really pissed

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I'd MUCH prefer me and my squad driving away from a group of carnos screaming

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Than kill the carno before it can see us

modern fjord
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I'm not saying that's not possible either, but on an Apex, that shouldn't be a thing.
Reserve that kind of think for a smaller dino.
A shot heard through your soul, making your next grow much more careful, having learned a location where you may want to stay away from, adding horror to that location, but an understandable death, for say... A smaller Carno, or Raptor.
However, it's a fine line, does a Stego take the same damage from a sniper?
That's a very fine line to be walked, so I am curious how powerful the Merc's technology should be, ultimately.

limber hull
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Personally I'm very against snipers in the Isle

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It would feel extremely shit to die instantly to a VERY long-range attack as a melee-only character

modern fjord
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I don't know how I feel about the idea, tbh. Maybe it's tranquilizer only? Is that a middleground that adds risk/reward enough to merit something long-range?
Not even super long range, but due to how darts work, medium/long.

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Which would be in essence, impossible to hit outside of the center at current, due to how dense foliage is in the forests, and how small the clearings are.

limber hull
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True, tranq could be better. However, could also be used to sleep then kill (although tbh, the amount of resources and time you'd expend would make a sniper tranq the optimal kind of sniper)

modern fjord
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Making "confirming the kill" a last resort, due to how much firepower it would need to just confirm it.

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The risk is ammo, at that point, the reward is safety..
However, if it's not at your base, do you need to confirm?

limber hull
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Yea, plus, imagine sniping a dino with a tranq, it calls you out, then as you go for the unnecessary kill you get ambushed by its family

modern fjord
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Yuuup.

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Taking down a Rex for example... That would be PREMIUM food, at massive scale. The risk is how much you lost confirming, and just as well, the risk of the massive carcass you now need to defend after having spent all you can hold.

People also have to remember you'll likely be limited in what you can take with you, so if you do kill a Rex, if you're not by base, you're in a really tight spot to defend the kill in terms of defense.

limber hull
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Honestly, mercs should be attempting to help research, not slaughter the island. Their goal should be doing shit for AE, not killing AE's research, so they'd do tons of documentation tasks, stealing eggs, etc. Not "kill x"

modern fjord
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Honestly... I think it will be Merc vs Merc ultimately, due to resource scarcity, and Apex hunting after they've survived enough to even take on such a task.

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I'm assuming it'll take DAYS to even acquire the resources to do so. Maybe even upwards from a week?
I feel the need to take down a large animal should have it's benifits, and should BE a goal to work towards, however, I do not feel that goal should be simply obtained, by any means ~ so I'm not worrier about murder hobo mercs. I don't think it will be a viable playstyle outside game hunting smaller dinos.

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That, and they'll be plenty sated with food from NPC Dinos, if there is a need, so hunting a player should be LAST resort in terms of needs.

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It'll just be nice to have helicopters with passengers shooting down some of these Pterras KEKDOGE

limber hull
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I'd honestly make them not like the taste of dinos and go for boars, deer, chicken and the like

modern fjord
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True, true, but you're also contesting carnivores food sources as well.
Though, what is the goal of killing a dino, is what I would have to end up asking?

limber hull
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Exactly

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Self-defence is the BEST imo

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That's the main reason you should do it

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Otherwise you don't want to fire your loud as fuck gun that can attract 10 additional, very hungry carnivores

modern fjord
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So, the only reason to kill a Rex is because it smells your food stores and is attacking your gates?
Makes more sense.

limber hull
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Imagine you're walking through a forest and some idiot shotguns a baby utah. Now you've not only pissed off, but given your location to a group of now VERY angry utahraptors

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You're fucked

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That is what it should be like to play a merc

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You CAN defend yourself, but you'd better commit to defending yourself

paper oriole
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Utah and deinonychus are quite different in size, even the isle's goblinraptor

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Dakotaraptor would be a better alt skin than deinon

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Or achillobator

paper geyser
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i don't really see the point in giving it a different name

paper oriole
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I mean an alt skin

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Like carchar for giga

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The suggestion is talking about a deinon alt skin for utah i think, but deinon is too small

paper geyser
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yeah for the skin i mean

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we already know feather toggles are coming, and we know utah was feathered in life

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just... give it the option to have feathers

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no need to make it an alt skin with a different name

paper oriole
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Carchar was discussed a while back so i mean if that happens

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Then i see no reason that utah couldnt have an alt skin of dakota or achillo

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The isle had an ancient dakota asset afaik

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Just like they had a carchar

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And a cory for para

limber hull
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goblinraptor is the greatest thing ive ever heard

paper geyser
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i see no reason why it should. Carcha is giga + a few detail differences. Dakota and utah both have feathers, except dakota is substantially smaller. Like if the only reason utah is getting a dakota skin is to give it feathers then there's absolutely no point to giving it a whole new name

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but if you're suggesting a dakota skin because it's dakota then sure

paper oriole
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It is a way that makes use of old assets that are otherwise basically clones of current niches

paper geyser
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oh then fair enough

past edge
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Somebody already talk about the possibility to obtain a rare skin with the nest?

paper oriole
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Its been brought up a few times i believe

urban flax
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I think it's lame

karmic plank
worn saddle
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With optional feather toggle

paper oriole
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If they just fixed its wrists on the apparent future feathered skin itd be a good start

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Sleeve feathers are disgusting and would probably be what it gets on its flaccid gremlin arms as they are right now

limber hull
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@bold palm isnt that literally what grazing already does

jovial hazel
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Literally.

ashen wasp
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Read the second part of the suggestion, friends

lavish quail
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it is a direct description

jovial hazel
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You must have another suggestion that I don't see.

ashen wasp
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The wording isn’t exactly clear but it’s talking about grazing providing a 20% increase regardless of stomach fullness, specifically intended for specialized grazers

jovial hazel
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So the suggestion is that grazing give certain animals food no matter the hunger percentage.

ashen wasp
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Now I don’t know if I agree with the suggestion— it sorta spits in the face of the diet system and I have no clue how the second part is intended to WORK— but it is a suggestion

low canopy
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the hunger it self as stats is irrelevant once diets are in though, grazing already does what its supposed to do

lavish quail
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so make it add another 20% of food?

ashen wasp
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Personally for specialized grazers I’d just like to see, like— grazing providing an extra amount of stomach fullness and possibly counting for a limited percentage towards diet

lavish quail
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so like your at 100% hunger and grazing adds ahp?

ashen wasp
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Like “oh, you’re a species specifically designed to process extra nutrition from grass, so you’ll have a bit of an easier time maintaining your fiber or whatever”

ashen wasp
lavish quail
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not hp

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Ahp

ashen wasp
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Ahp??

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I feel like I’m being set up for something— like I go “whats ahp??” And you go “nothing much, whats ahp with you!!”

limber hull
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Artificial HP

ashen wasp
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Ah, thanks. What. Uh. Is that, though?? Pff

lavish quail
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eh its either extra hp or a buff in a stat

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so say your at 100% food

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you could get 120% by grazing

urban flax
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Everyone complains about evrima tails being too floppy
Meanwhile Blaviken complains that evrima Utah's tail is too stiff

fast fjord
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Is it just me or does safe logging in Evrima not save your dino. Cuz I've safe logged like 3 times as an adult deino and came back to nothing.

urban flax
fast fjord
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No point of playing the game then.

urban flax
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You can still go on free grow servers to have fun

stray holly
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@paper moat Carnos ARENT moving their feet faster than a Utah, their legs are just longer, allowing them to cover more ground in a stride than a Utah.

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It make sense that they’re a little faster

paper moat
# stray holly <@141674361198346240> Carnos ARENT moving their feet faster than a Utah, their l...

Yeh thats understandable but then their turning needs slowing down then if thats the case, They can turn on a dime with a slide and run for longer periods of time so what features does utahs have? Their pounce is weak and very dangerous because of animation locks their bites are weak also, in legacy utahs where great because of their agility and speed but seem to have currently lost that advantage, Dont get me wrong i love evrima and will continue to play it but as a primarily utah player i feel helpless against carnos which are the most dangerous so hopefully some things get changed in the future or coming update.

stray holly
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I’m a Utah main and have been playing it pretty much my entire time on Evrima. The universal speed decrease was a little wierd to get used to, but turning on a 90 degree angle and causing them to slide is what gives you more separation between you and them. Then ducking into the trees or bushes to evade them. It’s worked out for me pretty much everytime I’ve been near a forest. Plains are a different story. I think they’re both fine the way they are at this state in time.

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@paper moat

swift dew
stray holly
swift dew
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@orchid crescent there is a bug that deletes your dino on logout atm, I think if you logout without safelogging it won't happen but im not sure

swift dew
paper moat
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yeh in the forest evading is easy dont get me wrong and yeh they can slide but the slide hardly makes a differance out in the open you dont have much chance, the stamina for utah isnt enough i think personaly, like make carno better in everyway but just give the utahs more stamina because one a carno is on my tail i cant run far before needing to dodge, and by the time you have tried to dodge yourway to the tree line your stam is gone XD

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By the way im not saying im right btw just would like some more stam XD

stray holly
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Yeah I wouldn’t be opposed to a stamina buff for Utah now that I think about it.

paper moat
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yeh it would just be nice

orchid crescent
hybrid matrix
hybrid matrix
unreal ridge
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giant pigs = more bacon

swift dew
lavish quail
unreal ridge
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giant pigs = they can defend themselves better

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there we go

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now i have the pig vote

swift dew
lavish quail
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emote a plenty

unreal ridge
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@lavish quail hear me out what if hyspi nests could do a few things for example the weaver bird nest , but the hyspi collects grass and just makes this home for its eggs but also when a bunch of weaver birds (or in this case hyspis) work together they can make massive giant homes

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some cover whole trees

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storks also build more unique nests

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lavish quail
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can i borrow this?

unreal ridge
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yeah

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plus weaver bird nests have the entrance at the bottom

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so hyspi can just jump up into them

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theres also another option timber

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hyspi could grab mud from the river

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and make little huts

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paper oriole
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Dromeosaurs are supposed to have stiff tails

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Utah is already mutated enough at least let him keep the stiff tail lmao, not sure how it makes him feel “less alive”

lavish quail
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also it would look fucking aweful if it wasnt streamline like it is

paper oriole
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Yeah theropod tails have no business flopping around like dog tails

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Also stego stomp attack TI_Gross

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Man that wouldnt look good

feral solstice
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^

paper oriole
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Like if its default frontal was a stomp and it didnt drain stam to haul all that weight it would look stupid, if it did take stam it would just be bs balance, and a stomp would also be slow and easy to juke.

feral solstice
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Keep jab and replace bite with a tail swipe

paper oriole
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The bite is useless but not that useless, like it can still bruise some smalls

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Just add a tail swipe and also allow stego to swing while trotting for less damage

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High bleed lower damage aoe swipe, the high damage jab, and the lower power trotting swing, and its dumb little bite

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That would be good for it

weak dune
# swift dew well even if they do try to cross, the speed at which they swim is so slow that ...

Honestly juking Carnos isn't hard at all when there's water nearby, as long as there's no adult Deino. I remember being hunted by a megapack of like 10 carnos. I just jumped across the river, ran off into the forest, and then jumped back across as soon as they crossed the river after me. It only took repeating this two times for the whole pack to give up the chase and decide I was too much of a hassle, and I was a lone utah so it shouldn't have been that hard to hunt me down lmao I'm not even a utah main, I usually play herbs

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Out in the plains I just juke really close around trees to break up their charge path

swift dew
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stego stomp attack TI_Trollge

weak dune
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I imagine stego stomp will work about as well as Pue stomp. Hitting absolutely nothing because you can see it winding up from miles away

paper oriole
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Stegos body shape also just doesnt pair well with a stomp visually

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So it would look stupid and be useless, it would basically just be an invite for utahs to pounce it

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Like camara stomps were invites for ass bites

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If you can get screwed by an all white skin with nesting there's gotta be some controlling factors in place

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Would be annoying to just pick a nest from parents with good genes and then get fucked by a death sentence skin

weak dune
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Honestly it makes more sense that a Stego might side-body another dino than it does for them to stomp. It'd be like getting hit with the broad side of a barn, plus puts it closer to prime tail-swinging position lol

tired tiger
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hello

paper oriole
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I’d see kentro shoulder checking better than steg, i mean he's got knives on his shoulders. Stego can already reach in that area with his tail so itd be a bit weird for him to just choose to thrust his meaty chest at somebody rather than simply impaling them

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It also probably would still drain stam, logically at least. I mean he'd thrusting 6t around

lavish quail
tired tiger
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imagine this stegos have to cross a river but they have young but they surroun the young with the oldest of the herd wi'll crossing the river since stegos can take quite a few hits from deino they could be like a wall of bodys protecting there you from the deinos

unreal ridge
swift dew
paper oriole
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A stomp would be even more useless than the bite

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At least you can sometimes land the bite

barren zephyr
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Stego itself needs removed but here we are trollshade

paper oriole
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Yeah idk why they thought throwing a 6 and 8 ton pair of animals in the current ecosystem was cool lol

barren zephyr
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replace deino and stego with kentro and baryonyx instead

paper oriole
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Shoulda worked on kentro and beipi or bary first

tired tiger
barren zephyr
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say lol again

tired tiger
paper oriole
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Oh sht

barren zephyr
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Yeah

lavish quail
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I don’t get streamer suggestions

paper oriole
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I just realized this person wants stego to hurt itself when it swings and also remove aim control on the jab? TI_Wheeze

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While also replacing its bite with a useless stomp that would never land on anything

sacred moat
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fuck it, just ask the devs the pluck the thagmizers from out of their tail at this point

paper oriole
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Give stego those little rubber balls at the end of its tail to make it less dangerous TI_Wheeze

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These would make stego perfectly balanced

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tired tiger
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yes lol

maiden epoch
tired tiger
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lol

fickle jacinth
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you not react with 6 emojis one message

tired tiger
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what??

barren zephyr
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what

tired tiger
hoary dawn
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what

jovial hazel
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what

paper oriole
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Hey why should carnis get to eat my plants but i cant have it the other way

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Get outta here with that nonsense

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Leave my leaves alone

barren zephyr
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Tyrannosaurus rex eating mangos

paper oriole
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Carnis eating herbi food to grief them here we come

dense meteor
paper oriole
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But like

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Why

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Just eat meat

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You meat eater

dense meteor
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Lol it'll just give a higher chance at successfully taking down something

paper oriole
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If carnis get to eat flowers then i should be allowed to eat a juvie occasionally or munch on some bones

dense meteor
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Stay in the fight longer

paper oriole
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Having a good diet already does this

tired tiger
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yeh

dense meteor
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I mean yall should considering tenos go out of the way to trample down every juvi it finds

paper oriole
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Yeah let me eat them

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I thirst for blood

dense meteor
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Go for it I've seen plenty of herbs nowadays eat meat

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I saw a horse swallow a whole fucking duck

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Just cause

paper oriole
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If carnis get to eat flowers then herbis should be allowed to eat a baby utah or chew on bones it is fair

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Yeah ik herbis sometimes eat baby birds and rodents

dense meteor
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Bone marrow is good for any animal

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I was just saying cause this update carnis are going to remain the same, run hunt kill and it seems like they are going to be doing a lot more running and tracking when it releases we won't know until it releases so I was suggesting they can come across certain plants that they can chew on to either help with stam help with blood loss etc

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Will meat give the buffs the herbis will get aswell?

paper oriole
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I mean diets will already help with healing and senses as far as i can see

honest sparrow
paper oriole
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No mercy

dense meteor
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We've only seen the view of a herbi, what meats will give what buff and what meats will give a debuff

paper oriole
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Id imagine carni diets would involve things like white meat vs dark meat like a rex wouldnt be healthy eating a ton of dryos

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Plus fat content and maybe organs when the gore update comes, some dinos might like to eat the organs the most and benefit more from them, others may need to eat bones

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This would result in corpses not being entirely used by one dino in some cases, and also make scavenging less profitable to some dinos due to valuable parts already being eaten off of a leftover body

dense meteor
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That's true but that's still a ways away so with this new update it just seems like carnis are staying the same nothing is really benefiting them, if hypsis are in the diet, stegos, tenos, etc there's just not enough diversity in people playing a small variety of dinos for 4 carnivores that are playable to follow

paper oriole
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The roster's gonna expand eventually

dense meteor
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Could you imagine if a pt is in a utahs diet, u can hardly kill them in the first place they fly by bite then fly off

paper oriole
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We have utah currently who is flexible, carno who is snaller game and he has enough to get by for now, deinosuchcus is excluded from needing to uphold a diet and ptera can live off of server supplied resources pretty much

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I doubt pt is utah's preferred target

dense meteor
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Or stego is in a deinos diet, when stego drink they bring their back end into the water and drink backwards

paper oriole
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That would be silly, pt barely even feeds a subadult utah

barren zephyr
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Carnivores should actually be pretty easy to grow with the sustainable ai and such

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depending which carnivore

paper oriole
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Deino is excluded from diet

dense meteor
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So only 3 carnivores are affected by the diet system?

paper oriole
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So far

tired tiger
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yep

barren zephyr
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Deino doesn’t have a diet preference because it’s forced to play in the water

dense meteor
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Pts all they do is eat fish they have no bite force to take down anything really not worth the risk

barren zephyr
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Plus, crocodilians aren’t very picky

paper oriole
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Pt can probably live off fish and scavenging ez when its all fixed

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When gore is in especially

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More leftovers

dense meteor
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That's why I was trying to give the carnis an edge when you comes to buffs defuffs so it pushes them out of their comfort zone and doesn't become something repetitive

paper oriole
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Doubt it’ll be any more repetitive than an herbi running back and forth to eat coconuts and bananas

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Especially since its pvp

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Encounters vary, adds interest

tired tiger
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that should not be true since dinos with diets will have to cross river more

paper oriole
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Yeah but they can choose where they cross, deinos are pretty slow so they gotta take what they get

dense meteor
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Yea true but herbis just have to find the food and get a buff, carnis get no buffs until they kill the target, so it'll be going against something that has an advantage vs something that has to kill it to get the advantage

paper oriole
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And thats the point of carnis

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You have to fight to eat

tired tiger
paper oriole
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It is supposed to be hard

dense meteor
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We're already at a disadvantage

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Everything fuckin hurts lol

paper oriole
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Good. Only issue rn is the food values honestly

tired tiger
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lol

dense meteor
paper oriole
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It should hurt, your entire purpose is to end other peoples' play cycles

dense meteor
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How fast the hunger goes down or how much a certain food source gives?

paper oriole
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It should be a challenge

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Both basically

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A utah eating a whole carno worth of food every hour is wrong

dense meteor
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It should be a challenge absolutely but if herbis get a buff and can use that against a Utah with no buffs then we should also get that ability

paper oriole
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A predator should need 20-30% of its body weight to fill, not its whole body weight or more

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Utah can hunt smaller dinos solo its not always a fight

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Utah is flexible

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It is only supposed to fight large game in packs

feral solstice
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Hottakes:
Make food capacity scaled by 30% of your weight.

paper oriole
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Like crocodiles can eat 20% of their weight in a sitting

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Meaning deino should fill off a teno ir carno

dense meteor
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Rn when I play as Utah as a juvi I just hunt dryos I literally have to kill 1 dryo and then I sit until I'm adult the whole dryo feeds me

feral solstice
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Last I heard an adult dryo doesn’t even fill you

dense meteor
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When I reach adult I usually have 50% hunger but that's still enough for me to run around and find something

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My water runs out faster than my food

feral solstice
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When it comes to dryo, it should be enough to fill 3 Utah’s

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Now

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When it comes to stego or Deino..

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That should be a fucking feast

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That’s what, 225kg vs. 6000kg - 8000kg?

dense meteor
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I was playing as carno earlier group of like 10 we killed 1 adult dieno was gone within seconds and everyone was still hungry

paper oriole
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Even after utahs are done with a atego or dryo there should be leftovers but rn they vacuum it up like it has the density of styrofoam

feral solstice
paper oriole
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Yes

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Will be cool seeing stripped skeletons around

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And dinos with their organs munched out

warped fog
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Crocodilians would be able to thrive off god damn zombie corpses if they existed, that’s how op their immune and digestive systems are

If it’s a body part, a crocodilian wants to eat it. So it makes sense that deino will benefit off any meat source

hoary dawn
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@bold stratus that is why its still in testing

limber hull
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@echo bridge very interesting concepts and extremely well written and formatted. However, CC, as it stands currently, is really only a short term solution to get the upper hand in the fight, it's rare it will end a fight or scare off a pursuer. Magy, as I see it here, will likely be still messed with, although, if the tail whip can be used while running it could potentially whip off attackers.

It's certainly capable of endurance and brawling, primarily endurance, but would its tools allow it to make an escape, or be like a tenonto, where fighting is something you commit to?

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It does seem to have options when it comes to brawling and escaping with a fast and efficient stam regen, but it hasn't the speed to escape. It needs tools that would scare off would-be predators

echo bridge
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It mainly depends on what its fighting
Because some stuff is small enough to where it is strong enough to commit
And for a majority of the roster it isnt strong enough to commit and has to run, but due to lacking speed it needs a dissuasive attack it can use during the chase to fight off cantankerous approaches from its pursuers so it can out endure them and escape

limber hull
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I can def see where the "allo issue" is. Magy would have zero special tools that I can see to reliably scare one off

echo bridge
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All of its "heavy" damage and effect attacks would use considerable stam, but not enough to where its 100% stuck like Teno due to not having the speed to play as dynamically around that
But something like the tail whip and maybe shoulder bash wouldn't be that expensive, but trade their usage in mobility for being able to do serious damage on their own

limber hull
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The standing up on hind legs is very cool, and would be an intriguing way to eat, but even more-so would be an awesome way to warn predators you aren't fucking around with that powerful stomp

echo bridge
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Its main tools against something like Allo or Alberto would probably be detecting them first and leaving before they can get in range
Could lead into that and Magys dietary versatility by making it have a strong sense of smell for its size

grave drum
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How come I went and grew a deino for half of my day came back ands its gone? second time this has happened in an offical server.

echo bridge
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If Allo is going full lion
Its range is fairly short due to tiring quickly by using so much energy to move so fast for its size

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Alberto is the real problem, if it's like legacy subrex and has endurance and admirable speed

limber hull
echo bridge
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Scent
Higher camera when reared up

limber hull
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I def like the higher cam

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Speaking of diets, what environments would you see magy primarily living in? I'd imagine jungles, forests and the like

echo bridge
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Anywhere with trees short enough for it to eat off of
And wherever it gets it's bad taste from

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Foliage to block lines of sight and increase the chance it can smell something coming and block their path with objects

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Which is why I kinda want Magy jump

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Its smaller than Teno and has similar limb proportions, so why not?

limber hull
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I'm glad someone is actually willing to create an in-depth design doc to at least speculate how this thing would work rather than brush it off. Your work is impressive, I like how you format and describe everything to give a proper mental image of how it would fight while staying true to given concepts.

echo bridge
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Thank you!

grave drum
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how come I went and grew a deino for half of my day came back ands its gone? second time this has happened in an official server.

paper oriole
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Its a bug

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Its already a well known problem

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Devs already plan on fixing it

grave drum
paper oriole
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Just play on freegrow servers for now tbh

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Not really worth growing big guys on officials unless you plan to brawl to death for fun instead of logging

worldly kraken
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i just lost my full grown stego durning sever reset

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this is just pain

crude girder
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@echo bridge good magy doc, I have a few things I'd personally add but this is a much better read than the 50th "remove magy" or "give it poison" suggestions

echo bridge
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Thank, you I might add some comments I made earlier to the doc as extra notes

crude girder
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one note I have is you didn't give a range for walking stamina regen, which is a seperate value from standing and trotting

echo bridge
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Oh right, forgot about that

crude girder
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I'm curious what you had in mind for armor, I've got a suggestion of my own kicking about and would like to compare notes

echo bridge
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Updated stamina timers
(120 second run time, 30-45 second sitting regen, 75 second standing regen, 90 second walking regen, 120 second trotting regen)

crude girder
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that run time is on par with Dryo, and the 3rd highest in game atm

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just as a range

karmic plank
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So if you get hit a bunch in the same spot it will start to really hurt

crude girder
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mine relies on the secondary damage types, CC, Fracture, and Bleed

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each having unique interactions with the armor's damage reduction and the armor bar

echo bridge
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Yeah
Itll probably need to have that serious of stam to deal with predators it would prefer to run from
Carno Charge, Cerato, Allo, Alberto, Small Carnivore packs, etc
And it likely isnt going to have the speed to deal with it
35 kmph is pretty slow for being smaller than Tenonto

limber hull
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Yea it's slow as

crude girder
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It could feasibly be pushed faster than that

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depending on the style of run they go for

karmic plank
crude girder
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I prefer speed over stamina, but there is a gif animation that has Magy going like, Dryo speed that tap did

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depending on the scale of the Magy

echo bridge
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Yeah, I was mainly basing it off of the run anim we were shown ages ago
But that could change

karmic plank
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Look at e.g. Hippos, they have big thick fatty layers that they just don't care if they take big gashes to. It's only if something manages to dig through all the outer layers that they get in real trouble

echo bridge
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Magy going Dryo speed would be ludicrous ngl
And I was previously stated that Tenonto would probably be the fastest quadruped
So Magy being faster would be a shock

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And Tenonto is already focused on commitment and speed

crude girder
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I based my speed estimate off this, which is super trustworthy since a drawing can break its own anatomy /s if that wasn't clear

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echo bridge
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Magy being more lenient on that in trade for some speed would make it function more separately

crude girder
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Yeah Tenonto being the fastest quadruped is pretty much locked in, that does mean that it could go faster if Teno in turn goes faster, but the extra speed may simply not be needed

echo bridge
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Yeah

karmic plank
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I feel like magy is a bit too front-heavy to be able to rear up on its hind legs like teno does

echo bridge
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Especially if you balance that out with stamina
But a lot of the matchups that matter against arent gonna be in the game for a while, so itll probably take a lot of tweaking and tuning over time to get it right

crude girder
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Sauropod moment

echo bridge
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I just want the objective of running to feel different for both creatures

crude girder
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Yeah, I'm sure it will simply by virtue of the two having different playstyles

echo bridge
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Teno runs to attack mainly, because it has to commit eith its stam dein and its fast attacks + extra speed helps it with that

Magy runs to defend as all of its attacks are too commital and have clear windups(stomps shoulder bash, and neck trip) to really benefit off of speed therefore it goes for endurance and outlasting its opponents with both its interrupting attacks and its armor and stamina capacity

karmic plank
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I'm hoping to see more variation in trott speeds, having some dinos with short fast sprints but nice quick trott to make up for it

crude girder
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I gave magy a few more attacks than you did

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mainly cause I bound stomp to alt LMB

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while I like the fact that you bound it to a non attack key, might I recommend space instead

karmic plank
crude girder
karmic plank
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Sure

echo bridge
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I mainly worried about having some attacks be camera bound due to the agility of most small creatures making going for those consistently very difficult(which Update 2 Teno had issues with)

So I just stuck with keybinds

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So it depends on Magys agility

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To address my bringing up of armor
In the doc I listed it being like a resource bar you have to regenerate after it gets used to absorb some damage
On creatures with heavier armor than Magy their bars would be able to take a lot more punishment and be able to take some stronger attacks

karmic plank
echo bridge
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Basically there being a limit of what that creature can tank
And if the attack that lands is within that limit(when it hits the armored location) the damage gets reduced and a formula is used to subtract a portion of the armor resource away

crude girder
karmic plank
crude girder
echo bridge
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Well that's what natural grown armor is
A shield

crude girder
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at the time that 53 was what Dryo had

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now that would make it the fastest animal in the game

karmic plank
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Mmm not too sure about the 9.5m covered per loop bit

echo bridge
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Basically halo shields
But with damage scaling formula to account for the varies creatures with armor and their varied attackers
And having to have a healthy diet/obtain a special dietary source to regenerate instead of it being entirely passive and quick

crude girder
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I can show how I got that part, but it's not very related to the feedback

karmic plank
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How long are those back legs?

crude girder
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it's less the back and more so how fast it accelerated with its front legs on frames 3-4 of the animation

echo bridge
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Ontop of only the locational regions with armor having individual reduction values and upper limits
So Ankys head armor would break under some attacks easier than its body armor

crude girder
karmic plank
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Or about how long it is

crude girder
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I've got something similar set up on my armor suggestion, how does fracture and CC play into your armor?