general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

isle utah

[honest sparrow]

The entirety of ||redacted|| has it as one of their favorites so that’s a new one

[barren zephyr]

Giga model is probably my favorite out of all of them

Utahraptor in europe

[dapper mirage]

What do y’all think about ptera though

[barren zephyr]

decent

[tidal frigate]

Nuero spino is the only cool legacy dino besides hypos

[dapper mirage]

Cuz I know scanova’s vid started conversation on it

[barren zephyr]

not perfect but it’s pretty alright

[dapper mirage]

Personally I don’t mind it

[barren zephyr]

I don’t see what the problem is tbh

Honestly, the legacy Giga model is better than Evirma one

[honest sparrow]

As like the biggest Ptera fan in this convo, it’s alright

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon Longiceps

[honest sparrow]

Fat Pigeon

[barren zephyr]

YOOOOO

ACRO

[dapper mirage]

Ok hot take

I HATED the new Acro at first

Like HATED it

But now it’s one of my favorites

[barren zephyr]

I’m an Acro main and I don’t like it that much

Acro doesn't have neck, and is really chubby

LOVE IT

[tidal frigate]

I loved it the second I laid my eyes on it just like spino

[barren zephyr]

I’m starting to like it more though

[honest sparrow]

New Acro has always been meh for me

[dapper mirage]

I love the crests

[honest sparrow]

It’s definitely grown on me as I despised it on release

[barren zephyr]

Beats legacy acro

[honest sparrow]

Eh

[barren zephyr]

Yesh

[dapper mirage]

Legacy Acro isn’t that bad

He’s just dated is all

[barren zephyr]

I just didn’t like the color scheme

[dapper mirage]

I love how legacy Acro plays though

[tidal frigate]

My second favorite new model

[dapper mirage]

Heavyweight sprinter? Sign me up

[barren zephyr]

Hopefully that thing doesn't need to heal 2 or 3 hours

[honest sparrow]

Legacy Acro was one of my favorites to play

I’m really gonna miss carno speed psuedo apex

[barren zephyr]

Big ambush predator that can outrun a utah while having amazing bleed and decent damage

[dapper mirage]

Only problem is Acro still had progression stats so it made him not as good

[tidal frigate]

My favorite new model to ever come to the isle

[barren zephyr]

Acro heal

[dapper mirage]

Like he didn’t heal bleed well at all

Or damage

[honest sparrow]

Or anything at all

[dapper mirage]

Not even stam

[tidal frigate]

Legacy spinos heal was like 30 mins for last screen

[dapper mirage]

But the CONCEPT of Acro being a sprinter was awesome

[barren zephyr]

Acro was super good but super bad as well

Brachi model is my fav of them all

It was weird

[honest sparrow]

Acro was early access to the Heath lock mechanic

[dapper mirage]

Health lock

[barren zephyr]

Health lock cringe

[dapper mirage]

Who thought that was a good idea exactly

[barren zephyr]

Isle devs

[honest sparrow]

Blame dondi

It usually works

[tidal frigate]

On getting you muted

[barren zephyr]

Health lock on brawlers doesn’t sound like a very good idea

[tidal frigate]

It won’t be a thing for brawlers in ervima

[honest sparrow]

I just wish there were more methods of healing

[barren zephyr]

Teno is a brawler currently

Now I really wanna know if Acro can somewhat stand a chance against things like Rex and Spino

it should

[tidal frigate]

Maybe

[barren zephyr]

or at least enough power to fend them off

[outer condor]

Acro looks like it's fatter than them

[honest sparrow]

Since Dryo heals instantly does that make it a brawler?

[barren zephyr]

Because that thing looks like the school bully

[tidal frigate]

I don’t think I would want to attack it I really like it

[barren zephyr]

I mean. Dryo is the embodiment of death and destruction so

[honest sparrow]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

Dryo best dino

It shouldn’t even be a brawler yet it can slap juvie carnos and sub utahs

it absolutely smacks ptera as well

[tidal frigate]

Did you know the reason spino and deino have a pouch is becuase it makes it easier to swallow larger chunkes of food so spino will be able to swallow more things

[barren zephyr]

I really want Deino to have the 3 call animation that it did in the animation preview

[honest sparrow]

Dryo burrow? Garbage
Current Dryo with reworked dodge? Good
Nocturnal Dryo with sensory abilities? Awesome
Brawler carni Dryo? The best ending

[dapper mirage]

Honestly I think dryo burrow should be scrapped

Give it to other things

[tidal frigate]

Yesterday I was a baby Utah and an adult dryo started trying to kill me

[honest sparrow]

Yes

That is what Dryo does

[dapper mirage]

Dryo is the true small game hunter

[barren zephyr]

a Dryo literally attacked my stego today lol

[dapper mirage]

I nearly killed a teno one time as a dryo pair with a friend of mine

[honest sparrow]

One of these days I will solo a utah with Dryo

[paper oriole]

i nearly soloed a stego with dryo until its mate popped up and made me leave

absolute menace of an animal

[honest sparrow]

If anything needs a nerf

[barren zephyr]

Dryo solo carno when

[tidal frigate]

Bad animal

Good animal

[barren zephyr]

Wrong

Rex good spino bad

Both are decent

[honest sparrow]

Really tempted to get the bois on for a huge Dryo deathsquad now

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/theyre-the-same-picture-the-office-pam-the-office-us-gif-20757621

[barren zephyr]

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

Who shall we bring

[tidal frigate]

You can say the same about brachie and puetra

[barren zephyr]

Brachi better

Brachi alot better

ALOT

Pue is a pile of bones

[honest sparrow]

I will see if anyone is interested

[tidal frigate]

Yeah they look so similar uh huh

[paper oriole]

"two sauropods look kinda similar, so this aquatic theropod is ok looking like a terrestrial one of a different class"

[barren zephyr]

I’m still wondering how long herrera should take to grow

Maybe like 40-50 mins

less than a utah but longer than Dryo

[paper oriole]

an hour would probably be fine

or 50min

[tidal frigate]

Your logic: two carnivores look nothing alike,yes they are the same

[molten tulip]

That spino design is trying to be a rex when its not

[barren zephyr]

Miragaia

Im going to send it

the image

the one

[paper oriole]

no? you showed me clearly two rexes, dont try to trick me

[paper oriole]

do it

[paper oriole]

[tidal frigate]

Just becuase the skull “has a sub Rex skull in it” doesn’t mean they are the same

[barren zephyr]

[tidal frigate]

I’m so glad it didn’t load for me

[honest sparrow]

Wait for it

[tidal frigate]

To late

[barren zephyr]

Haha

face the consequences

[paper oriole]

isle spino

[tidal frigate]

So trex wants to be a spino?

[tidal frigate]

That’s just 2006 spinosaurus

[paper oriole]

spinorex spinorex

[barren zephyr]

Megalania good animal

[paper oriole]

they should give mega a tail slap because they denied it to deino

[barren zephyr]

Yeah might as well

[tidal frigate]

It’s already op no need to make it better

[paper oriole]

how lmao

[barren zephyr]

It should trip apexes-specifically spino and insta kill them

megalania was likely to use its tail in real life

[tidal frigate]

If you get grabbed you die it does half your health as a carno same with teno almost all your health as a Utah

[barren zephyr]

yes because it is in game

[paper oriole]

i said they should give it to mega bro

[pulsar lake]

But

Soul

You do not have the stats right?

[tidal frigate]

And I’m saying that’s why they didn’t give it to deino

[pulsar lake]

Personally, I see a Carno dying by a single grapple.

[honest sparrow]

“Oh no, this mechanic which is designed for ambushing and safely taking down smaller prey means I fell for an ambush as smaller prey”

[pulsar lake]

And

[paper oriole]

a tail slap would have been less cancerous than the alt bite

[pulsar lake]

In order to catch a carno

This one must be afk or sleeping

[tidal frigate]

Except an adult carno isn’t small prey

[pulsar lake]

As spino won't be a hunter

Or specialized into hunting

[honest sparrow]

It kinda is

[pulsar lake]

Thing will be kind of versatile

[barren zephyr]

Rex and giga will probably specialize in hunting

[tidal frigate]

It’s almost as big as a deino

[paper oriole]

an adult carno is small prey to something that weighs 8+ tons

[barren zephyr]

Giga endurance rex ambush speed

[honest sparrow]

Lmao

Carno

[tidal frigate]

Spino might also be ambush

[barren zephyr]

Carno

[honest sparrow]

As big as deino

[barren zephyr]

Spino is not ambushing anything

[pulsar lake]

I think you switched the positions

[paper oriole]

carno isnt even 2 tons is it

[pulsar lake]

Endurance Rex and ambush Giga

[honest sparrow]

Don’t think so

[paper oriole]

its liek 1800 something, its puny to deino

[barren zephyr]

No please. No endurance rex.

[pulsar lake]

Yes to endurance Rex

[barren zephyr]

Endurance rex is horrifying

[honest sparrow]

Both can do it who cares

[pulsar lake]

Thing not able to run lmao

[paper oriole]

mechanics wise, ambush rex fits with its fracture bite

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr the mammals add to the lore and feel of this game not being in prehistoric times if you are okay with the multitude of human structures you should be fine with the addition of modern animals that would potentially be on a island like this

[pulsar lake]

That's the goal Pigeon

[tidal frigate]

Ambush giga okay but ENDURANCE REX!!!!!

[pulsar lake]

Endurance apex work

[tidal frigate]

Spino

[pulsar lake]

Just giga was done poorly

Spino is ambush

Typically

Cannot hunt if no ambush

Thing has no Stam and no speed

[tidal frigate]

Like the siren jaw from Kong skull island

[paper oriole]

spino should have an asthma attack and die if it runs for more than 40 sconds

[molten tulip]

more like sit in bush and eat avas rex sit in bush and eat avas giga

[pulsar lake]

Except if Ava is meaningless for it

[tidal frigate]

Asthma wasn’t a thing in the dinosaur times

[pulsar lake]

A 500kg boy shouldn't be able to feed correctly such large animal.

Even if Rex didn't ate like more than a ton per day, thing must haven't eaten during days or weeks.

[paper oriole]

anything is possible in the world of genetic engineering

[pulsar lake]

I mean

They cannot sweat

[vale pawn]

[pulsar lake]

So

When they overheat they needed to stop moving

[paper oriole]

spino spontaniously combusts if he runs for more than 40 seconds

[tidal frigate]

Then Rex gets cancer if it eats to much oh wait Rex is already cancer

[pulsar lake]

Go to fresher areas

[honest sparrow]

Tuna

[pulsar lake]

Like, a dinosaur endurance must be above mammal of course

[paper oriole]

isle rex looks better than isle spino

[pulsar lake]

But suck ass compared to human

[tidal frigate]

No

[pulsar lake]

Both are rather okayish. C tier.

[honest sparrow]

But humans are mammals-

[paper oriole]

humans should have the longest run time in the game tbh

[pulsar lake]

But humans lost fur and are able to sweat

So they can continue efforts during a very very very very long time.

[barren zephyr]

Chat

[pulsar lake]

Human must be the animal that may run the longest on earth and possibly from all eras.

[tidal frigate]

Make megaliana have this attack

[pulsar lake]

Of course it must

Bite, tail whip, wrestle

[pulsar lake]

Ngl, I agree.

[paper oriole]

mega should be able to just thrash the shit out of small animals like that one vid of the monitor with the rat as a finisher

[pulsar lake]

Humans running for way more than any dinosaurs but at way slower speeds. Able to climb correctly. Able to throw things.

[tidal frigate]

Spino should do this as a finisher for other apex’s

[paper oriole]

[pulsar lake]

Wouldn't be surprised tbh

[honest sparrow]

We can keep up a good pace for longer but actual sprinting isn’t exactly long distance

[tidal frigate]

It’s the most realistic way a spino will kill a Rex

[paper oriole]

lmaooo

[molten tulip]

A meteor should just come and kill all the apexes

As a finisher

[paper oriole]

rex will clap spino

[pulsar lake]

[molten tulip]

Also weren't rex and spino millions of years apart and in different habitats

[tidal frigate]

I’m talking about in game

[honest sparrow]

Yeah

[pulsar lake]

Not being a Rex ran anyway

And

Already used those arguments

But

Rex fucks up spino any days if they had to meet

No questions about it.

[paper oriole]

didnt dondi say rex will win the confrontation in some stream a while back

[barren zephyr]

I think so

[tidal frigate]

Irl spino yes but in game spino maybe

[barren zephyr]

plus it kinda makes sense for rex to have the advantage

[tidal frigate]

That was more than a year ago

[molten tulip]

In game spino looks like its nose would snap off if it hit a tree

[pulsar lake]

Even in-game spino as the thing has a poor bite and still a long neck possible grapple.

[paper oriole]

rex can bite spino's stretchy subrex head and crack it up like a jolly rancher

[pulsar lake]

Arms are purely defensive '

If a Spino tries to go offensive to a Rex, it's gonna die.

Like a shit.

[tidal frigate]

A spino isn’t going to lay down and let it

[paper oriole]

it will lay down after it gets its ass merked by a rex

[barren zephyr]

xd

[pulsar lake]

If it's defensive, Spino will try to keep you at distance and counter each of your bites then fuck off to the water.

[molten tulip]

If only

[paper oriole]

god hes so fat

based

[barren zephyr]

Spino should be able to fend off a rex if it’s playing defensively

[paper oriole]

literally just fall over and squash rex

[barren zephyr]

Spino going offensive? It deserves to get stomped

[tidal frigate]

Spino will most likely be a defensive dinosaur he will have tons of health and it’s claws and mouth will do enough damage to be scary

[molten tulip]

I imagine that spino tail slapping a rex wouldn't just bounce off

[pulsar lake]

As much as I love spinosaurus, in a video game I'd do it a giant fat fuck seal, stork croc.

[pulsar lake]

Rex wouldn't care at all and rip off the tail.

[molten tulip]

Either way accurate spino is much more intimidating than the current model

It looks like a toy

[paper oriole]

idk about more intimidating but it does look mor eunique and cool

[pulsar lake]

Eh

^

[paper oriole]

taps spino is

good inbetween

[tidal frigate]

A way to deal with rexs is if it charges at you you go into the water and if it follows you you go on the offense and if it try’s to run it will move slower because of the water

[molten tulip]

Which one is taps

[pulsar lake]

I don't understand why a Rex would follow you in the water

Lmao

[molten tulip]

Yeah that one is perfect

[paper oriole]

so "if the rex is a fucking moron i can kill it"

[tidal frigate]

[tidal frigate]

Your giving Rex players a lot of credit

[paper oriole]

basically yeah, a spino can kill a rex with the brain capacity of a gnat

[barren zephyr]

Unless the rex specs into the aquatic tree

[paper oriole]

jagrex

[tidal frigate]

So yeah just regular Rex players

[pulsar lake]

LMFAO BEAR REX

[barren zephyr]

Jagrex makes spino fodder

[pulsar lake]

Sounds more like regular Isle player

[tidal frigate]

At least other Dino players are smart

[barren zephyr]

Path of ti

[pulsar lake]

No

Like

No

Allos

Dumb

[paper oriole]

smart apexes are hard to come by in legacy including spinos

[pulsar lake]

Utahs

[tidal frigate]

The isle at home

[pulsar lake]

Stupid

[paper oriole]

hopefully in evrima all the stupidest ones die before they even hit sub

[pulsar lake]

won't argue that PoT is a good game here and is different than The Isle

refuse to elaborate further

[tidal frigate]

It’s almost the same game just with a different hud

[pulsar lake]

So

[molten tulip]

pot 0/10 no abelisaurs

[barren zephyr]

Legac

[pulsar lake]

Isle players are stupid

[pulsar lake]

Ekrixinatosaurus

[paper oriole]

in PoT i dehydrated to death because it didnt allow me to drink form the lake because there were people near it

[tidal frigate]

And so are you if you like pot

[molten tulip]

When

[pulsar lake]

Don't know

It's planned

[molten tulip]

Epic

[tawny juniper]

insult a general audience because they play a game ✅

[paper oriole]

i heard they are adding Miragaia at some point so i might have to try it again but i bet it will be another paid dlc dino

[barren zephyr]

I played path of titans and I just couldn’t enjoy it one bit.

[tidal frigate]

That’s what this guy is doing to the isle

[barren zephyr]

bob is alright though

[tidal frigate]

Naw I don’t like It

[pulsar lake]

I mean. No?

I kinda like to play it with friends but I go mostly for mods. Quests are wacky and not interesting yet.

[pulsar lake]

BoB is stupid and fun but highly supported by clans.

And so they do things that make clans strongers.

[tidal frigate]

I play it for the mods becuase they actually make the game interesting

[pulsar lake]

Waiting for Deltadromeus

Poposaurus

Ankylosaurus

JFD

[tawny juniper]

what is that supposed to be

[tidal frigate]

Something better than trex

[tawny juniper]

I think that's a very spiky spin rendition

[paper oriole]

[odd sedge]

Spork

[tidal frigate]

This is spork

[pulsar lake]

Oh my god

Those are so awful

Even for their times

Anyway, Rex still the best megatheropod after Torvosaurus and Acrocanthosaurus.

I won't count maniraptoriform megatheropods.

[latent sable]

hello

[barren zephyr]

Maybe a lil late, but they planned doing Pycnonemosaurus, not Ekrixinatosaurus

[pulsar lake]

Oh

Anyway same thing

Sorry

[barren zephyr]

Almost same thing

[sudden hinge]

Add torvo wen

[pulsar lake]

Would be nice as an Acro competitor

And mid tier fucker

[sudden hinge]

I was thinking it’d be neat to have actually be the largest mid tier going with its lower estimates

Like have it be the generalist mid tier carnivore with a group limit of two similar to pseudo apex and apex predator group limits

[dense wagon]

as if we dont already have enough mid-tier competition

[latent sable]

bruh i wouldnt let me join any server so i unistalled then reinstalled and hopefully we should be good!

if not well... Im sick and tierd of it not working

[sudden hinge]

It rounds off our mid tier carnis nicely

[kindred flare]

Torvo is just fat allo. Change my mind

[manic flint]

Reminds me of the first Sharptooth chase form The Land Before Time. Like that idea

[karmic plank]

That and a fluffy little chick as a baby, would fit well with it's little squeeks

[hoary dawn]

if they made the face look less dead inside, yea

[pulsar lake]

It isn't in competition with them. It is a berserker and a threat to them.

6 tons Torvo moment.

[pulsar lake]

How wrong can you be by saying Megalosaurs are similar to Allosaurs.

They are much bulkier for their sizes and more rectangular.

[kindred flare]

Exactly. Fat allo.

Also that was like... 8 hours ago..

[pulsar lake]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646182730572496945/832715536638017586/unknown-1.png

I was sleeping

That's megalosaurus

For example

Stockier.

Shorter arms

[kindred flare]

Fat allo with rex face

[pulsar lake]

Longer tail.

Tf

Have you ever seen a Tyrannosaur head?

[kindred flare]

I dont think you got the joke..

[pulsar lake]

They mostly are triangular.

I mean, if it's for trolling then you must make it evident

Like

I've seen a shit ton of people doing that

Here is Torvo tho

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646182730572496945/824764313940000849/jagged-fang-designs-edmarka.png

[kindred flare]

The" change my mind" followed up with 0 back up evidence.

[pulsar lake]

So, leg wise Megalosaurs are shorter i' comparison to Allosaurs. Body proportions are different such as the tail lenght. Sku shame is really different as well as those are pretty rectangular. Torso seems shorter on Megalosaurs than Allosaurs.

Arm lenght is also inferior on Megalosaurs.

Example on Saurophaganax

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/646182730572496945/839596727408918538/image0-1.png

[kindred flare]

If im being serious about something I'd follow up with some sort of reasoning, like when trying to explain why magy is an objectively bad animal I state my reasons, only to be shut down this stupid Olympic sprinter magy and people will use that as making it viable

[pulsar lake]

Oh okay

Sorry then

[kindred flare]

All good

[pulsar lake]

That's just I see a lot of people on this discord acting like you

And being serious

[kindred flare]

True.

[muted fog]

Olympic magy shall be a thing

[barren zephyr]

@fallow spoke they're literally called Shrublands

[fallow spoke]

Okey dokey 🤠

That feels slightly aggressive

[barren zephyr]

no

[fallow spoke]

🤠

I just know them as aussie bush

[wicked furnace]

[fallow spoke]

🤠

[past dune]

environmental destruction

[paper oriole]

Dont the devs already have that planned

For trees at least

[hoary dawn]

yes

[bold palm]

sucho/spino would hunt deino probs

[barren zephyr]

Sucho? Depends how big the deino is. Deinos are 8 tons while sucho is probably going to be 4.5-5 tons. the weight difference is definitely there. I can definitely see sucho butchering juvie-sub deinos though

[odd sedge]

As long as Sucho is not lungeable for Deino and Deino not grabable for Sucho, it could be an even match if the creatures are at an equal size.
As soon as the Sucho or the Deino is bigger, it's a happy meal

That way they population control each other but ignore or avoid each other as soon as they hit adult, because Deino swims better and has no business walking on land and Sucho dominates the shallows and harsh white waters, where deinos couldn't thrive

[barren zephyr]

In legacy, Sucho was 3,6 tons, so if it stays the same in Evirma, it could be lunged by Deino, but they could change it too like, not impossible

I doubt they’ll make a pseudo apex that light tbh

Sucho looks pretty big so hopefully it doesn’t get lunged

Yep

Plus I think it would be a poor balance decision to grow something for 4-5 hours then you just get grabbed by a funny alligator that was camping for 4 hours straight

[tepid gate]

Is Sucho a pseudoapex though? The devs don't really call any animals "pseudoapex". It's a community term. The devs have described Suchomimus as a "medium carnivore".

I do agree that the animal should be heavier than 4t so as not to get instakilled by Deino, especially since the two are going to live in the same environment but the devs might have a different idea for it. Irl Suchomimus weighs exactly 3.6t now so the legacy is technically corrrect with its size.

[odd sedge]

So is Deino tho

But I think they did upsize Sucho. Could also be just me

[barren zephyr]

If I remember correctly sucho is indeed a pseudo. It’s definitely a tier above the likes of Allo and around the same tier as acro. So I would definitely consider it above a high mid tbh

Although tier lists are definitely controversial and result in the likes of bias and opinions, suchos size definitely portrays it as being a pseudo

[paper oriole]

There's this thing called wallowing

Unless the teno is catching you at a bad time where you already wasted your stam then you can lose it and wallow

[manic flint]

If a teno is chasing you down you've done something very wrong

[barren zephyr]

Wallowing is surprisingly underused

[manic flint]

Teno is also the most balanced playable rn

[paper oriole]

I used to hear a lot of people saying “just wallow” about animals slower than their enemies but suddenly it doesn’t exist when its the opposite matchup

Teno is what other playables should strive to be

[barren zephyr]

I can’t understand how people think teno is overpowered though

Decent utahs can solo tenos

Hell, you can literally kill stegos as Utah. Just don’t pounce

[paper oriole]

Both utah and carno can solo a teno of the same skill level if they have two brain cells to rub together, i guess most dont

You can solo stego as a dryo or utah and solo teno as a utah or carno if you have an ounce of patience and don’t try facetanking its ass from the start lol

[barren zephyr]

Love the people who try to assride like it’s legacy

It’s not like you can just. turn around

or wack them with your tail

[tepid gate]

Suchomimus weighs 3.6t compared to 3t of Allo/Alberto. Acrocanthosaurus current weight estimate for the largest specimen "Fran" is 5.8t

[paper oriole]

Trying to assride the two animals whose biggest weapons are on their ass

[tepid gate]

Deino got upsized since the time when they called it a medium carnivore. Idk whether they still consider it one, it's hard to say.

[keen reef]

@versed zodiac play Carno better

[barren zephyr]

We may get 5 ton sucho. so if it’s weight is indeed 5 tons it’s a pseudo.

if we don’t get 5 ton sucho then yeah it will probably be a high mid tier

[tepid gate]

In all the honesty the devs probably don't put that much emphasis on the "tiers" it's mainly something that the community does.

[manic flint]

Good carnos can kill tenos
I never fight good carnos

They always run into your tail

And then complain that they're stunned

[paper oriole]

Most carno players have the brain capacity of a house fly

[tepid gate]

Sucho irl doesn't weigh 5t though and there isn't really anything that would suggest that weight for it. It might get upsized slightly so that it doesn't get instagibbed by Deino but I don't see much of a reason why it would weigh 5t.

[paper oriole]

But the ones who know what theyre doing can be a real menace

[manic flint]

I really hope we get 5t sucho

[keen reef]

I'm ashamed to have been a Carno main in legacy because now my people are the smallest brains ever

[barren zephyr]

leggersee

[vale pawn]

leg C

[keen reef]

It's the equivalent of a Utah trying to ass ride an anky dude like Bruh

[versed zodiac]

im usually pretty good and i could say the same about tennos. most tennos suck. but at the end of the day sometimes i run into a good tenno get fucked and cant escape. honestly this whole issue would be resolved if carnos stamina drain wasnt super fucking bad.

[barren zephyr]

Anky having the best bleed and venom resistance when

[paper oriole]

Carno is supposed to be an ambusher thats why its stam is low

Use your speed to get some distance and wallow before they catch up

[barren zephyr]

You could also just charge it and 2 shot it in the head

[keen reef]

It's a hit and run animal/ambusher

Even if it feels like Utah 2.0 yhr stam reflects that, you should have time to wallow if you're being chased by a teno anyways, you're much faster

If you fight better players it's a ggs, fight is equal, can't argue about that

[barren zephyr]

then again charge is kinda weird to control

[versed zodiac]

welp all the prey its supposed to ambush feeds it like a taco being fed to a tiger. and tenno cant exactly be easily killed with a simple bite. even if the charge did not drain you stamina to shit it would not help a carno in a fight against tenno.

[manic flint]

It helps a lot it knocks them over and gives you like 4 headshots

[paper oriole]

If you successfully ambush a teno you have the upper hand

I di agree though that carno should get better food from utah sized animals than it does

[keen reef]

I mean, Carno really shouldn't be fighting teno anyways

And it still wins if you just get one charge

Or play slightly smart

I've lost a fight or two to tenos, but I haven't lost my life to a teno in a 1v1, not since update 2

[versed zodiac]

a slight upper hand in that you got the first bite. and even then the chances of landing a headshot on a tenno with a charge and bite are very low, unless the tenno is mentally challenged (and many are) your not gonna land a headshot. (also tenno has a really good turn speed so it can stun you before you hit them if they can time it right)

[tepid gate]

I also just want to point out that Sucho's size doesn't really change much about it. It will be in a way a large-ish medium carnivore no matter what you do with it. Whether it's 3.6t, 4.2t or 5t it doesn't really affect any of its match ups(maybe aside from its interactions with Allo and Alberto and with what ease it could fight them off). It will always generally stronger than Allos/Albertos of this world but it will always be weaker than Acro since it's just much larger and far more combat oriented.

[paper oriole]

The upper hand from landing a charge isnt exactly slight

[keen reef]

^

Considering its arguably the strongest ability in the game

Terrestrial wise

[paper oriole]

Tips the scales at least 20% in your favour

[manic flint]

And besides

Carno is a small game hunter so go hunt some dryos and Utah's ig

[tepid gate]

I wouldn't say that charge is the strongest ability in the game, Tenonto's tailslam is vastly superior.

[versed zodiac]

if its a 100% tenno and a 100% carno the tenno wont get knocked over and the stun lasts for a very short amount of time maybe enough to get 2 bites in, then the tenno can just turn around and slam you to hell.

[tepid gate]

Carno doesn't work as a small game hunter at all.

[tepid gate]

100% grown Tenonto does get knocked over by Carno's charge actually

[versed zodiac]

except the dont feed carno at all (utah is ok but not enough to fill you up) and dryo gives you 25% food

[paper oriole]

Honestly once maybe pachy and galli are in I hope carno gets a bite nerf, charge buff and gets better fed off of small game

[versed zodiac]

i would like that aswell

[manic flint]

That would be good for when diets are out

[keen reef]

Idk man. Carnos is aggressive, that alone gives it an edge

It has an aimable turn even if that turn is ass

And it belongs to the fastest thing in the game

[tepid gate]

charge itself is a pretty meh ability though, if I could trade it for Tenonto's tailslam on Carno I'd do that anyday of the week

[barren zephyr]

Carno really needs a charge rework. It’s never used

[versed zodiac]

but rn the small game it should hunt does nothing for it. and the only animal that feeds a carno well and is worth the fight is tenno who compared in abbilities is better. the only redeeming quality for carno in fights is its speed and ability to bite. tenno can negate carnos best ability and then deliver high damage super fast. and lets say you actually get out of the slams of death your now half health and gonna get out stammed if you try to escape.

[keen reef]

It can be used against multiple opponents without leaving much weakness too though

And right now it counters tail slam (for some reason)

If it had a reason to use it more, it'd prove itself to be very good

[vale pawn]

i tried using it and it didnt even work

[keen reef]

F

[tepid gate]

How does it counter tail slam?

[keen reef]

No matter how well the teno times it, the charge will gain priority over the slam and it'll get the stun, they changed that in up 3

[versed zodiac]

if tail slam is deliverd even a second before the carno charge then the carno is cc'd and got headshot by it

[tepid gate]

that's not how it works in my experience, charge sometimes stuns the tenonto while sometimes Carno gets stopped by the slam

[manic flint]

That's just good timing

[keen reef]

No, it hits the tip of the tail and stuns it, happened many times and seen it happen too, its common fact at this point that that happens

Fsr it's a thing

You can even ask Wyatt, dude has like at least 700 hours in teno or something, idk if he's had to deal on camera with it but I'm sure he knows about it

[versed zodiac]

ok even then half the time charge does not even work

[tepid gate]

I've been stopped by Tenonto's tailslam before, although it did happen before update 3.5

[versed zodiac]

same

[tepid gate]

so that might've gotten changed in that update

[keen reef]

It might have been changed 3.5 I don't know, it felt like 3 though, happened to me once but that might have just been lag

[versed zodiac]

probs

[keen reef]

Cause I can tell you I didn't time it wrong lmao

[manic flint]

Carno needs a charge buff
Bite nerf
Probably make it more well balanced I think

[keen reef]

Either a bite nerf or a slower bite speed

Because if it had a bite nerf it can still spam it right?

So maybe slower bite speed is a bit better instead?

[tepid gate]

Carno doesn't need any changes

it's probably the only animal that isn't broken in any way

[keen reef]

Well it does, not balance changes, just changes, its bigger Utah and once another mid tier Carni comes out that's gotta change

[versed zodiac]

well except for how it cant feed off of small game, has horrible stamina depletion, its charge works 40% of the time, and its bite is a lil op.

[lethal topaz]

carno is one of the only dinos that doesnt need change, the biggest change that needs to be done rn is the map in my opinion

[versed zodiac]

agreed

[lethal topaz]

i fell down a log and started bleeding out of nowhere

[tepid gate]

it's definitely not a bigger Utah atm, that's something it might've been described as during update 2 but atm it has nowhere near the maneuverability to describe it as a "big utah"

[versed zodiac]

also the classic bush cliffs of doom

honestly just give it a smaller hunger pool and better stamina pool and its a 10/10 dino

and tenno needs to go back to its old controls then it is 10/10

[barren zephyr]

I definitely hate the alt attack thing for teno now.

I literally lost my 100% Stego and 96% Carno to the cliff bushes of death

[tepid gate]

I don't think Carno needs a better stamina pool

[lethal topaz]

the bushes needs to change tbh

[keen reef]

It turns at the same speed as dryo did in legacy like bruh

It doesn't feel like a Carnotaurus, it doesn't feel like what it should be, and that has to change once we get a mid tier bruiser, I think that's something easy to wrap your head around

[barren zephyr]

The isle

[lethal topaz]

its just a bad move from the devs to put bushes like that

[versed zodiac]

i will agree it turns too good

[tepid gate]

This isn't the legacy though, it's Evrima

[versed zodiac]

[barren zephyr]

The Isle, where u need to survive, you need to hunt, but most importantly... You will fall of a cliff

[keen reef]

Yeah, and in Evrima it turns too fast, Dryo was just an example

[tepid gate]

I think most of the issues people have with different animals in Evrima is due to how they perceive them due to legacy

It doesn't turn too fast at all, Carno turns like a bus compared to other animals

[manic flint]

I barely played legacy
I got the game like 3 months before evrima came out so I don't really know much about the balance in legacy

[versed zodiac]

i would say carno needs to be in between legacy carno and evrima carno turn radius

[keen reef]

I mean yeah cause they all teleport for some reason but that doesn't mean that it doesn't turn too fast

[versed zodiac]

horrid

[barren zephyr]

I don't wanna watch Legacy balance again

Never

[lethal topaz]

in my opinion the devs had plenty of time to fix these common issues, obviously there would be bugs. but there are such common issues that shouldnt be issues, evirma was a project for like what 1.5 2 years now and some things stated here are kinda sad.

[keen reef]

Take it from a guy who mostly played the worst practical dinosaur in the game and advocated for a buff for like a year

It turns too fast

[lethal topaz]

but making a game does take an extremely long time.

[tepid gate]

It doesn't turn too fast, it turns at a pretty slow rate for Evrima standards

[keen reef]

Not slow enough

[tepid gate]

If you make it turn worse then it makes even less sense as a small game hunter. Idk what you want it to be doing with an even worse turn

[keen reef]

And everything else teleport turning is pretty dumb too

[manic flint]

It was

I was on a laptop until may

And it couldn't run the game

Unless I had 5 frames

[versed zodiac]

the balance of legacy is the worst game balance ive ever seen

and i play for honor

[keen reef]

It makes it have to rely on its biggest ally, should be being ambush. If it turns worse during running then it has to plan it instead of just rushing in. And a bit of a slower turn both punishes mistakes which you shouldn't be hanging around to make and makes drift more reliable (which I'd another underused Carno asset)

[versed zodiac]

anyways im scared for cera vs tenno.

[manic flint]

That'll be fun

[versed zodiac]

cera is gonna get steam rolled at this rate

[manic flint]

Carno should get a nerf before cera comes out

[keen reef]

No I don't want to turn like legacy no I don't want to even turn like a allo, I just wanna turn worse, I wanna have to rely on my planning, and feel like I'm playing Carnotaurus

[versed zodiac]

tennos should as well

[keen reef]

Either a less tight turn or slower acceleration after skidding is needed

[tepid gate]

Carno already relies on ambush to hunt anything small(and even Tenonto to a large extent). No small animal in the game can be hunted by Carno unless it actively decides to fight that Carno. Having worse agility makes any animal worse at hunting small game so unless you want Carno to be this weird meme-of a playable like it was in the legacy then it shouldn't have its turn rate nerfed even more.

[manic flint]

I still think teno is fine
Cera should have a stronger bite and be as or more bulky than carno

[tepid gate]

Tenonto is the third best animal in the game atm after Dryo and Deino

[versed zodiac]

how the hell is dryo better then tenno

dryo cant do shit but die and run

[manic flint]

Dryo is faster than Utah

If it doesn't get cocky no carno can touch it either

[manic flint]

What abt ptera?

[versed zodiac]

its more like dieno, tenno, carno, utah, stego, ptera, dryo, hypsi

[manic flint]

Ptera and dryo are free wdym

[versed zodiac]

wdym free?

[manic flint]

So easy to survive

That's what I mean

[versed zodiac]

yeah but they cant do shit

[manic flint]

Doesn't mean they are bad tho

[tepid gate]

Dryo is the best animal in the game if your aim is to just survive, it's also way too combat capable and takes no effort to grow.

[manic flint]

Ptera as well
Cause of skim fishing

[keen reef]

I can quite literally walk out of a Bush on most prey, tbag, roar, shake my ass, and then still win. Ambush is barely as useful as it should be for a creature like that, and if you gotta do one you gotta do the other. It shouldn't be a brawler, it shouldn't be able to just walk around and get its kills like nothing. Ambush. Need to be. Important

And its not, and turning speed helps that. It also helps you feel like you're controlling what you're playing. No offence but the turn speed and the animations just combine to feel almost weightless

[tepid gate]

I'm not taking Pteranodon into account becaue it's more situational than Dryo

If you can do that then your prey is really bad at the game

[keen reef]

It encourages you to play the way that SHOULD benefit you. It stops you from laser target following somethings tail even as it tries its best to dodge you. It gets you to feel like you're playing a Carnotaurus

[tepid gate]

I think that's only down to your interpretation of what Carnotaurus should play like based on the legacy.

[keen reef]

Exaggeration but I could definitely do it

[tepid gate]

I mean - I've ran straight at Utahs that were looking right at me and they didn't even react to me charging them, that's not really something that means anything in a balance discussion.

people are bad at the game and you don't balance any game around bad players

[keen reef]

Oh hell no you think I like playing that thing man every step of learning that thing was immense pain

But it does get some things right. Obviously in relation to its opponents, which in Evrima it doesn't seem to be in relation

Shouldn't be hard, but it shouldn't be easy if you don't plan your attack

[keen reef]

That's not what I mean. It's the fact that you can track and snag people kinda easily just by keeping a bit of a warning on yourself and skidding

Which is why I brought up the acceleration after you skid, different thing but still something that definitely should be considered

[tepid gate]

I don't really get the thing with skidding, skidding is pretty bad in general

If you're fighting something that requires you to be precise with your movement why would you ever skid?

[keen reef]

If they turn away from you you have to skid, if you don't slow down or skid you just run off into the distance trying to turn around

Gotta use that Carno drift, and dodging Carno should mean something for small prey, the window between that dodge and the next is too short and often hard to act upon

[tepid gate]

You don't have to skid at all actually, you can stop faster

[manic flint]

@keen reef Is your pfp from dinosaur King?

[tepid gate]

skid causes you to move forward more

[keen reef]

It definitely feels like you speed up quicker after doing so, which I don't know if it should be the case

[tepid gate]

it doesn't speed up quicker after skidding? Where are you getting this from?

[keen reef]

It also let's you do that snag I mentioned if you're lucky with it, which is why carrying that into quick sudden speed is not really Carno at all, and definitely not cash money

[keen reef]

Yessir

[manic flint]

Nice

[keen reef]

I've noticed a slight lack of needed acceleration most of the time I skid in game

[keen reef]

[manic flint]

Great show 9/10 am gonna watch it again

[keen reef]

[tepid gate]

I'm going to test that the next time I'm in the game but I'm pretty sure that's just your impression. I've never noticed that and it seems like something they'd have to actively put into the game which is... why would they ever do that?

[keen reef]

Idk man that's just how it feels to play

They are the same people that added a deino alt attack with no stam and didn't change it yet to be fair so it's not hard to see them doing tbh

[tepid gate]

Not really, Deino's alt attack not costing stam is not surprising at all

[keen reef]

Yeah it comes from a long line of weird Dev decisions, hence why I mention it as an example

[tepid gate]

It's not a good analogy at all though - Deino's alt bite doesn't cost stamina because it doesn't deal increased damage compared to the normal bite. So far only attacks that deal additional damage compared to their normal counterpart have a stamina cost.

If anything the weird thing about the alt bite would be that it has a better attack rate than the normal bite but this is most likely just an omission on their part.

[keen reef]

Well I'd assume (or at least hope) the average developer would look at a crocodile throwing its entire body around constantly or notice it in testing and go "hmmm maybe that might need to be tested some more"

[keen reef]

Also tenos claw does far more damage with no stam loss (or very little if anything but you can use it a million times on the lowest stam)

Carnos does same

Only Utah has stam loss with more damage

So that's not true

[tepid gate]

I was speaking more so about Carno and Utah - Carnotaurus alt bite deals the same damage as normal bite, so you're wrong there.

[keen reef]

Really? I'm almost a hundred percent it does more

[tepid gate]

Tenonto is a bit of a different case since it has completely different attacks... it doesn't have "alt bites per se"

[keen reef]

As alt biting on crocs is a million more times effective

[tepid gate]

No, it doesn't, it's something that's being said by half the people on this discord and they are all wrong

[keen reef]

Well it's dumb that it doesn't then ey :/

[tepid gate]

I think Bork is the one that propagated it but it's just not true, I've tested it on a server where I was an admin

it deals exactly the same damage as the normal bite(making it pretty worthless overall)

[keen reef]

Well from experience it definitely seems stronger

Then again deino alt bite seems to do up to double damage from experience but I know that's not true

[tepid gate]

I've tested both of them and they both deal the same damage

[keen reef]

That's mostly just weird hitboxes and Locational damage being shit though

Not the damage number

Man this game needs to stop fucking with my feelings

Still the deinos alt bite is strong as fuck

[paper oriole]

What would microraptor even do? Eat a bug? Die to a compy if it landed on the ground?

[odd sedge]

Microraptor is too small, but there were two other Pterasaurs more made for eating fruit that were suggested by the community

[paper oriole]

Changyuraptor is a bit better of an option that still has the microraptor flavour i think

[odd sedge]

Micro is pretty smol

Austro for reference

[paper oriole]

Angua cattle would probably immediately get rekt very soon after escaping captivity, they should just be a valuable farmed merc animal in fortified bases that they can protect

And yeah micro is pathetic

Changyu is larger, though still pretty small. I think micro would be utterly useless in the isle's food chain

We have nearly 60 dinos coming, that colour coding in scent wouldnt be so easy to do

Also isnt pissing on the floor to mark sort of a manmal thing...

[odd sedge]

It's stupid small

[paper oriole]

Micro woulnt be able to interact with the rest of the roster in any valuable way

Its basically a weaker compy thats harder to catch and not remotely worth the effort to

[odd sedge]

I can't understand people who want to play compy, wanting to play micro confuses me even more

[paper oriole]

A changyuraptor, modified balaur, or the highly fragmentary shanag would all be better arboreal glider playables than micro or arch

Idk why people would want to play as a highky limited spectator cam that cant fight and isnt worth interacting with either

[odd sedge]

What niche that I could perfectly see, would be a fruit-eating/omnivorous forest flyer that makes a fantastic predator-prey relationship with Herrera and perhaps can land on the backs of big herbivores for a ride

[paper oriole]

If a flying asset was attached to actual spectator cams sort of like PoT then i could see something like micro being used for that

[paper oriole]

Ive wanted tupandactylus as a frugivore for a long while, would be so nice

[odd sedge]

Yeah that was One of the two flyers I heard about

I would love that

[paper oriole]

There was also europejara who is smaller, wouldnt mind him but tupan is the larger and more well known ptero

[odd sedge]

I don't mind, as long as Herrera will get a prey-predator relationship with another arboreal creature. I fear it will turn into a tree-deino with its cannibalism

And a flyer wouldn't even be helpless, as long as they spot the Herrera before it can attack and fly away

[paper oriole]

I think europ and tupan are both good sized to get picked on by herrera, they arent a single potato chip unlike sonething like tapejara

[odd sedge]

And Micro wouldn't even be a snack

[paper oriole]

micro may as well be that big dragonfly what ever its name was

[tawny juniper]

Micro is literally like the same size as rabbits and compies

Which are also probably the only things it could even catch

[manic flint]

Meganeura?

[paper oriole]

Yeah that guy

Micro would struggle heavily against a compy

Compy is like twice micro's mass at least isnt it

[hollow helm]

🗣️ the cliffs are bullshit

[karmic plank]

OML the new map and underwater changes

[tawny juniper]

Is minmi supposed to live in rivers

Or is it just not shown in that

[silver zephyr]

probably just not shown

[meager tiger]

why do people hate the bushes near cliffs? Isnt nature supposed to be hard?

Just memorize where the cliff is lol

[tawny juniper]

Or just don't run unsuspectingly into a wall of bushes

[meager tiger]

ikr

[limber hull]

had a cannibal carno who was badly losing a fight, think he could lose me in a wall of bushes. Man must've forgotten about the cliff because once I went down there, I helped myself to a deluxe meal of idiot express

[meager tiger]

See thats what I like about the cliffs. You can use them to your advtnage. Chase a guy towards the cliff, or trick a carno into flying off

Instead of whining about it people need to realize that a survival game isnt suppose to be easy and a bush near the cliff isn't that big of a deal if you have any brains to take advtange of it or just avoid it

[night ruin]

the dragonfly would arguably be better because as a dragonfly it can do things like hovering, mid-air stops, and other manuevers that a flying tetrapod could only dream of. Meganeura has an actual potential gimmick to justify it's existence, that being hypermanueverability. What would you do with this? Idk grief hatchling pterosaurs? But it's something.

(also since dragonflies have nearly 360 vision maybe you could give players a camera window showing what's behind them at all times?)

[past dune]

hygiene

[compact hare]

I guess we'll have a "bath" system

If Im not mistaken

With pretty much the same idea

[karmic plank]

The silliest part is they made cliff bushes unique and coloured differently to all the other bushes... So it actually makes them easier to avoid, not harder

[fallow spoke]

yes

[pulsar lake]

How the fuck

Can an Ava use a Dryo or Proto Burrow as a 500kg animal?

Like, Burrow should be for a lot of less 100kg animals and the largest that could get it is Proto.

[hollow helm]

yeah u guys are right the walking downhill mechanics are perfected

[paper oriole]

Sleeping could help heal and bypass the health cap faster but it should not decrease resource depletion

We dont need something that helps people afk

[limber hull]

I think that the suggestion to lower the human's FOV is something they should seriously consider. Delve into the horror aspect, not the shooter aspect, larger FOVs lessen how large these creatures actually are, see Subnautica.

I can live with not being able to see a ton on my screen if it means keeping the horror element alive and well

[karmic plank]

Fair, I'll update

[limber hull]

I do wonder if the FOV seen in the stream was an artefact of the dino code reused for it

[karmic plank]

The main issue with being able to stay in that fully asleep state is not reduced resource usage in my mind, but having access to instant safe-log. The obvious answer is you get woken up if you are attacked, but we don't want that for people trying to actually safe-log.

Fully asleep has no vision, a long time to get up, and could have strange distorted audio

Not sure how abusable it would really be

[paper oriole]

Yeah we dont need legacy where people kept their timer waiting while afk growing apexesc, logging instantly if somebody got too close. I dealt with that so much when culling bush rexes lol

[karmic plank]

Yeah, exactly

[paper oriole]

If it was a different command than the logout sleep it could also help

[karmic plank]

It's only really baby stuff like Hypsi or baby Utah that do the obnoxious nibble while you log crap in my experience, and I'd really like to see some changes there too

[paper oriole]

They could either change the logout skeep command and make the stacked sit command for the recovery sleep or make a new button for it

[karmic plank]

Maybe laying down naturally makes you drift off to sleep?

[paper oriole]

Yeah the tiny bastards ruining your logout when you just want to go to work or something lol

[karmic plank]

And you don't get most of the real benefits of laying down until you are actually asleep

[paper oriole]

Could work

Hmn it could be sort of like the suggestion in balance where some things are simply to small to pierce the skin of large dinos and they couldn’t forcefully disrupt a logout or heal sleep of something that already initiated it

[karmic plank]

What I'd really like to see is a flat armour rating for slashing and impact damage - so something like a deino might have 10 armour, so actual damage dealt is always reduced by 10... Against big stuff it won't make much difference, but it means little things do nothing

[paper oriole]

Id seen a lot of stuff in the past about that too

[karmic plank]

There's definitely more sophisticated ways of doing it though

[paper oriole]

Its dumb that like a juvie utah can cut through the skin of 5+ ton animals so easily

[karmic plank]

Yeah, it makes some sense for their pounce slash but their mouths wouldn't be big enough to even get purchase on some things

[paper oriole]

It would be like a gecko biting a human lol useless

Shouldnt be able to forcefully inconvenience them

[karmic plank]

Yeah, exactly

Hmm I do much prefer the idea of you passively drift off to sleep, not a bad little anti-afk mechanic either in some ways

Would there be a requirement to be X far away from predators or something?

[paper oriole]

I think there was some suggestion about that a while back, if your afk dino just started snoring and not being able to see then it would be much more inconvenient to sit in a bush and watch youtube, that stacked with diets would make it nearly impossible unless a friend is feeding you which is just inconvenient for them. I think if you are sat down for too long it shouldn’t matter if there are predators near to activate the afk sleep

I also think animals who cant crouch should get a sort if stealth stance so it doesnt discriminate so much, but i already have hoped for a stealth stance for dinos who cant crouch regardless

[karmic plank]

Not a fan of snoring that's a bit of excessive anthromorphising

[paper oriole]

They are large animals with big fat nostrils so idk they probably did snore

Pretty sure i saw a vid of a bird doing something akin to snoring

It would give away their location to other dinos in a close range and make it worse to afk, even if its just for the natural afk sleep

[karmic plank]

Adult stegos kinda snore when they are sleeping, and they just sound like fat lovable lumps so not out of the question

I'm still attached to the idea of nocturnal hunters with boosted hearing that can find sleeping/afk dinos by sound

[paper oriole]

I think its pretty obvious that beipi would be faster than deino in the water

[limber hull]

yea, it absolutely would be

far more lightweight and agile.

[pulsar lake]

Beipi could :
Have less oxygen
More endurance
Nimbler
Have 3D darts

Then normal swim is slower

Because fucking sloth like swimmer

[paper oriole]

legacy giga did have a much more rugged and attractive design than the new one, wish they couldve kept the design when updating the model

[azure wadi]

@tidal frigate it’s not fan art, it’s concept art

[tidal frigate]

I fixed it

[azure wadi]

Cool

[paper oriole]

if you could make other players sick by sneezing on them

imagine some troll raptor purposelly eating a rotten carcass to go sneeze on some slower dinos

i'd do it

[molten tulip]

When epidemiologists start playing the game

There is likely something unbalanced

[paper oriole]

Global chat only being an option on sandbox servers wouldnt hurt “muh immersion” or anything idk why its downvoted lol

If its only on sandbox

[silver zephyr]

im perfectly fine with it on sandbox

[urban flax]

People are just angry with other people asking for global chat to come back every day

I guess

[silver zephyr]

im not angry lul, its just simply something I disagree with for the most part, outside of sandbox servers having it

[blissful gyro]

if a server owner wants to add global chat to their own server i don't see the problem, we're not asking for global on official servers

[paper oriole]

It was annoying when there was global chat feedback every single day tho its slowed down

I don’t think it belongs in survival but it would be nice to not have to juggle multiple global mods to chat on a deathmatch-and-chill server

[blissful gyro]

i'll probably still play official servers and mostly servers without global chat myself, but i don't see why it shouldn't be an option for others

[paper oriole]

Rather than making the rub for hypsi spit longer, maybe it can blur vision for a short time after so you aren't completely blinded for longer than currently

Blurring your vision like you got some nasty shit in your eye, which of course it is

[sudden hinge]

@barren zephyr If global chat ever comes back itll be in when mod support comes out

[honest sparrow]

I really like dimorpho, I think dimorpho could be neat in game, but this sounds crig

[paper oriole]

vulture dimorpho sounds like kinda a waste ngl

[urban flax]

Dimorphodon could work as a flying pack hunter I think, but it's still tiny

[floral saffron]

ok i love dimorph but that explanation of how it would fit in-game makes no sense

[paper oriole]

oh yeah i forget just how small the thing is, jeez

[floral saffron]

hypsi size

[paper oriole]

probably a good margain lighter than hypsi

[honest sparrow]

A lot of pterosaurs, especially the ones that came in the Triassic to Jurassic are pretty goddam small , like compy size

[floral saffron]

lighter fs, but the wingspan seems so be similar to hypsi's length which is why i relate the two

[paper oriole]

dimorpho would probably be kinda fun to play but i dont think it could interact with much in a meaningful way

[honest sparrow]

I’ve always been a fan of super generalist dimorpho

[paper oriole]

like it is too small to hunt players, too small to be worth catching due to its mobility

too small to compete for corpses

[floral saffron]

yeah probably tru. same w/ other small things like microraptor. I'd still like to see them added as AI like compy if nothing else tho cause dammit theyre cute

[paper oriole]

the microraptor itch can be filled in with changyuraptor i think

idk if theres anything that functions like dimo

[floral saffron]

i gotta look that one up lmao

[paper oriole]

one sec

[honest sparrow]

I’ve seen a lot of people turn micro into changyu or haast in isle discussion recently

[floral saffron]

omg its so cute

i love it

seems like just a larger microraptor, im on board

[paper oriole]

yea thas why i think itd be a good replacement

or substitute, i guess not replacement since weve got nothin yet

[floral saffron]

yee. still want my precious crow skin tho

[paper oriole]

definitely

balaur bondoc would also be a cool omnivore arboreal with lesser gliding ability

he's got two switchblade claws, badass

[floral saffron]

another google search

oh sick

[paper oriole]

he also lived on the same isle as magy bad animal

[floral saffron]

it is also cute i am perfectly happy w/ it

[honest sparrow]

The chad

[paper oriole]

the omnivore roster is also still pretty small so maybe some day

[honest sparrow]

Tupa and balaur

[paper oriole]

he'd be something fun for herrera to mess around with, same with tupa

while they forage for treefruit

[vale pawn]

fruitivore pterosaur

[floral saffron]

also changyu has some really amazing fossilized specimens, should be a lot of info for the devs to work with if they so choose

[urban flax]

Oh yeah Balaur is so pretty

[paper oriole]

balaur is based

oh god

his face lmao

[honest sparrow]

I also want to see what crazy shit they can do with 4 switchblades and flying

Or gliding

I should say

[vale pawn]

baluar

[floral saffron]

ah ark

[vale pawn]

[floral saffron]

always making such beautiful and accurate recreations

[paper oriole]

mmm

[floral saffron]

THAT ^ is beautiful

i want to see packs of those things hunting alongside utahs. no reason, just for pretty

[honest sparrow]

Lad

[paper oriole]

he could probably scale and balance on trees pretty well with those double switchblades

[honest sparrow]

I wanna like jump high or glide as one, and just use all the switchblades to do insane headshot damage to something

[paper oriole]

glide onto somebodys back and just quadruple stab

[floral saffron]

i was just looking into it and its theorized balaur was a climbing ancestor to birds

[honest sparrow]

Reminds me of a certain Frenchman

[paper oriole]

assassin balaur

[outer condor]

The epic

[paper oriole]

handsome man

[outer condor]

Yes

[paper oriole]

well it's definitely kinda creative lol

[barren zephyr]

Please

[night ruin]

There are larger ground sloths than 500 kg that did burrow and their tunnels are large enough you could stand up in them. Ava's size is actually less of a problem for burrowing than you'd think.

It wasn’t until 2015 that Amilcar Adamy of the CPRM had an opportunity to return to that strange cave in Rondonia. It turned out to be the first paleoburrow discovered in the Amazon, which is notable, but not the coolest part. It also turned out to be one of the largest ever measured, with branching tunnels altogether tallying about 2,000 feet in length. The main shafts — since enlarged by erosion — were originally more than six feet tall and three to five feet wide; an estimated 4,000 metric tons of dirt and rock were dug out of the hillside to create the burrow.

Biologically, giant burrowers are a proven possibility, though I think for in-game it might not be a good idea

I would imagine a burrow this size in TI would lag the game to shit

[swift dew]

500 kg? you mean 5000kg right?

[night ruin]

5000 kg is larger than 500 kg yes

Though 5000 kg is like

megatherium size

The largest known ground sloth from the locality that produces the giant tunnels is lestodon

which is "only" 2500 kg

In any case I don't think there's a problem with large burrowers save for the technical issues that particularly large burrows might cause for the engine- if those can be overcome I'd love to see an "apex digger" of some variety

[cyan flame]

@left spokeAnd how do you imagine a stego should defend itself if that is the case? Use the not very strong bite on fully grown raptors? Somehow turn and juke faster and more agile critters with the slow and unwieldy turn it has?

[paper oriole]

He probably wants it to be even easier for utah to solo stego lmao

[barren zephyr]

Doesn’t Utah already curb stomp stego to the ground

[paper oriole]

Yes

It can solo it with bites 1v1

Or force the stego to shove its face in a rock and hope the raptor leaves

[pale bloom]

You can 1v1 a Stego who isn't camping a cliff/deep water, and yeah of course, bad Stegos who get easily juked all the time and don't use their brain

[cyan flame]

I wish they'd implement the utah weigth/health ratio on all the other things, (with proper blood pool for health of course). That would be interesting to see how that would go.

[pale bloom]

You can even Carno 1v1 Stegos who just tail swing everytime I drift lmao

[paper oriole]

Stegos attack has poor coverage and is easy to dodge, cant blame players for having a shit excuse of a move to utilize lol

Its not just the morons who swing when you skid by

[honest sparrow]

me, a defensive large animal, being forced to stick my head into a wall or sit in the water to deal with one small pack hunting bitch like a 12th my size

[pale bloom]

Has poor coverage on frontal and back attack, not the sidejab

And you can place a decent hit if you just don't fall on baits

Specially with the shitty current netcode

[paper oriole]

The jab is super easy to dodge, easier ti dodge than it is to land honestly

[pale bloom]

Dodge? You can't dodge that, just bait it

And even if you bait it, Stego is safe, recovery is good enough

You can only safely land attacks on missed frontal and back attacks

[paper oriole]

Im a shite player and it was so easy for me to dodge a stego to bite its head so many times

[cyan flame]

The jab also only works in a very specific angle, and you can just go round, even as deino you can almost pull that, on land that is.

[paper oriole]

So easy to avoid its tail

[pale bloom]

Probably that Stego was even worse

[solar peak]

have you ever actually fought stego or as stego?

[paper oriole]

Nah that thing shoulda hit me with how i was playing

[pale bloom]

So many times I can't count, and also played it couple times

[solar peak]

and you got hit by it?

[pale bloom]

What are you trying to get with this questions? I got hit sometimes by self mistakes yeah

As a Carno tho, never as Utah

[solar peak]

then now you can see how bad stegos position is

[paper oriole]

The stego has to rely on utah to make a mistake see you admitted it

[pale bloom]

I don't even fight Stegos as Utah

[solar peak]

why?

it's pretty easy if you try hard enough

[pale bloom]

Because I always find them on megaherds

[cyan flame]

Herds of stegos.. bleh! :p

[paper oriole]

If you dont fight stegos then why are you making imput on stego vs utah as though stego players are to blame for the shit abilities they were given

[pale bloom]

Also the most reasonable reason it's because you cant pounce them, you're just dead if you do that

[paper oriole]

You dont need pounce to kill stego

[solar peak]

ye but bites are completely enough lol

[pale bloom]

I said I fought them a lot of times as Carno don't you read?

[paper oriole]

In fact soloing them is easiest with bites

[paper oriole]

Carno is a different functioning animal so it is irrelevant to this matchup

Carno cant turn as fast as utah

[pale bloom]

If Stego is THAT bad I should be able to solo it aswell, not the case

Carno drifts like a truck

[solar peak]

we are talking about utah vs stego, don't you read?

[paper oriole]

1v1 some stegos as a utah or a dryo using only bites

Carno is irrelevant

[pale bloom]

Will try if I even find a solo Stego, which seems impossible

Well actually I soloed a Stego as Utah, he was afk in a bush

[paper oriole]

Can even go to freegrow servers and ask in discord if some stegs will 1v1

[pale bloom]

I'm just counting with the experience I had with the playable and the only scenario I see Stego is doing bad its against Deinos

But Deino is just fucking OP right now so I don't care much

[paper oriole]

Yeah deino destroys it with the spambite

Deino and dryo are busted

Ya it is lol

Give deino 2000000 bite force

Unironically? No lol

[pale bloom]

How many headshots as Utah to kill a Stego? Wasn't like 16?

[paper oriole]

Because no

Deino oneshots with drown

[cyan flame]

I think Dryo is not quite all there today.. :p

[pale bloom]

Then it should be 15 but with heal ticks, 16

[pulsar lake]

Ava isn't built like a sloth.

But fine I guess

[clever thorn]

The Deino had almost double the Bite Force of a T-rex yes but he is ment to grab and Hold on to his Pray to drown it, the T-rex is ment to Break Bones and tear it apart

[pulsar lake]

And that's not a Burrow

That legit is a cave

[clever thorn]

I realy Hope that they Quit on developing Humans into this Game. For my Opinion its such a waste of Time and ressources

[night ruin]

When you get to the case of multi-tonne animals digging, a burrow is indeed a cave. And I wasn't necessarily saying Ava should dig burrows like a ground sloth, but that burrows large enough for Ava could exist if the animals to create them were implemented

[vale pawn]

[manic flint]

The point of the game when they made it was to have humans in a Dino island tho

[clever thorn]

yeah in a Survial Mode not i hunt Dinos with my LMG or my Sniper or what ever. But we will see in the future how it is mabey its good idk but for my Opinion its a waste of Time.

[barren zephyr]

the game, since '15, was always meant to have humans

[clever thorn]

Yes if its also a Survival Mode for the Humans ok but if they get Apex Killing weapons and such things then the Game is gonna die and noone is gonna play a Dino anymore

Then its just a regular Shooter again

[barren zephyr]

it's all RNG

you wont be finding Apex killers like finding Easter Eggs on Easter

[tawny juniper]

you won't be finding guns easily at all

[icy lion]

or ammo

[barren zephyr]

nor armour

[tawny juniper]

If iirc plans are you spawn with a flashlight and a pistol/knife

[clever thorn]

i realy hope that

[icy lion]

or food probably either

[barren zephyr]

that's why it's all RNG

I believe they'll introduce some sort of internal common-legendary system

[tawny juniper]

When I first heard about it I wasn't big on humans either but they're going to be hard to play

[barren zephyr]

smaller and weaker 'loot' will be easier to find

[tawny juniper]

so it won't be that bad

[barren zephyr]

yes

[icy lion]

@fickle hamlet we actually have a jerusalem artichoke model for the game, let me find it for you! it was in one of the dev blogs i believe

[fickle hamlet]

Cool, that's also an amazing wild sunflower! I just figured H. debilis would be nice to brighten up the dunes (since they grow on beaches naturally).

[icy lion]

ok, i cant find the image (sorry!) but itll be in the game c:

[fickle hamlet]

No problem, I can't wait to see it implemented!

Any other wildflowers for the fields? Maybe large clumps of different grasses?

[barren zephyr]

in here

[barren zephyr]

jerusalem artichoke?

[fickle hamlet]

Oh yeah... I forgot about that screenshot. All those grasses are going to look even better in the daytime. And those sunflowers look INCREDIBLE!!!!!!

[barren zephyr]

yes

[icy lion]

thank you light i had no idea where to find that pic lol

[barren zephyr]

lol, all good

it's actually quite fun to look back at the devblogs

saying that. July Devblog is soon

[paper oriole]

I hope we get shade flowers like maybe lentenroses too

[night ruin]

The thing for humans that keeps them balanced is they're pretty much the ultimate glass cannon. Like, yes they get guns and those can kill big things very far away...but, they're also a squishy human in a game where dryosaurus, a 300 kg animal, is considered a tiny herbivore. Realistically pretty much every dinosaur in game should bowl over a human in close combat in a single good hit

[barren zephyr]

humans are all ready glass cannons irl

[night ruin]

Or at least the ones that are serious playables and not playable gags like compy and hypsi lol

I trust the devs to limit ammo and high tier weapons to the point that you'll never want to go hunting for sport with them, because they're rare enough that if a dino comes bearing down on you up close that's your one ticket to coming out on top of that fight

Plus you also want to have enough ammo on hand for a firefight with other humans fighting over human resources too

[barren zephyr]

I love the sound of Human v Human

it just adds to the survival

you aren't just gonna be weary of Dinosaurs.
But also, Humans

however, I hope it's shunned upon to kill other humans

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

yes

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr What are Nublar servers?

[bold palm]

regarding zoom

zoom out a bit more for all dinos

if resting, allow even further zoom to get a better view of the area. Stand up resets the zoom to the max zoom when standing which would be less than that of the zoom when resting.

so if zoom right now is 1.0, set it to 1.5, and if resting set zoom to 5.0. Stand up, resting goes back to 1.5

[barren zephyr]

@karmic plank I like a few.
Tickets are a good thing and a bad thing.

With tickets, it's mostly pain.
I'm here in #evrima-na waiting for support, I don't want to register for help when I can simply say "@ official server admin, help in NA-1, name is Lightclaw"

same with no 2

[karmic plank]

Yeah, I get that - but the issue with that strat is... how long do you wait before you reping? what happens if there's a whole bunch of people?

[barren zephyr]

for no3. I'm not up but I'm not down.
They can add that, but it's something which fits more in some sort of mechanics video showing you how to play- which there are plenty of guides on steam and even YT for that

[karmic plank]

Yeah, there are lots, but people don't tend to do that for whatever reason. Some people are just like "yo I'm pretty frustrated right now someone help"

[barren zephyr]

I would like no4.

Have a few The Isle VCs, then Offtopic/random VCs

[karmic plank]

Some servers tend to go a bit overboard with "Utah 1 utah 2 utah 3" or whatever, but there's been a few people now who just want to meet up with others in the same server... thought that might help

[barren zephyr]

I can see that.
However, that's still gonna happen with tickets.

We don't really have enough admins to be active 24/7 for support like that

[barren zephyr]

just a simple In-game VC, offtopic VC and Isle VC would be great

[karmic plank]

That's actually why I thought tickets or reaction-roles would be better - pinging works best when someone is right there to catch it... but when it might be half an hour to a few days (was for me) a ticket would work better imo

[barren zephyr]

I mean, tickets for tech support would be better

I understand, that means I'm out of a job in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 and etc

although it wouldn't be an easy-to-access feature

at least, it'll be harder than just going to #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧 to @ tech support

[karmic plank]

Haha I don't think the core admins have time for that sort of thing, general community members seem to be doing a fine job... and having the solution there in public view is good for others

Not many people need more than a level 1 type support anyway

it's usually "this is my error" to which the response is "try one of the solutions already pinned, if that doesn't work you are SOL"

[barren zephyr]

yes true

[karmic plank]

But yeah, the TicketTool.xyz one seems to work pretty well - you react to a stickied message, you get your own private channel created for you, and an admin pings you in that when they are ready to help

[toxic mantle]

@potent sparrow Glad someone smarter than me figured out a decent way to add this. Suggested something similar a day ago iirc, just didn't know how I'd work it lol.

[opal widget]

@pure fossil They arent very likely to do floods but instead they want to link water level with rains and dry season, but i think the reason for floods is because its hard to determine what happens to the plants or something like that and winds will be coming i believe.

[pure fossil]

well... really doesnt need to be that elaborate. Its that easy as follow a real pattern from our world: when a flood happens, not always the plants/trees on the area dissapeard or get different. Its simply the same area but now with water. Think in lower plains, but instead of grass, a layer of water. Something like that idk. But you understand me. Other areas totally full water, etc. Forcing dinossaurs to really survive. Winter could make river get so cold or even like ice rivers. I think something like that its easy to do and devs could do it in 2 ways.

1- By seasonal update

2- Seasonal system integrated on the game for work alone like day/night pattern

[opal widget]

Yeah no i totally agree with you but im pr sure they said its too hard to do

but well have to see when the add the rain changes

[pure fossil]

Even for do it by seasonal update?

That will be literally make 4 variants of the same map and update it every time they wanted

[opal widget]

I meant just the flooding but i havent heard much about winter

[pure fossil]

oh, okay. sorry

well, still, a solution could be seasonal updates.

[opal widget]

but yeah they are adding weather and wind mechanics soon so maybe we will see seasons later

[pure fossil]

As i said: you remake a map for it and done. Everytime you want to put it you make a general update like other games (for the flood i mean)

We will see what they have in mind. I totally want to see snow hahaa

[opal widget]

Although totally possible to do i think making it not imersion breaking by having it change over time would be very cool yet i think it might be a little too difficult

[pure fossil]

true

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Stegosaurus did not have any plate based dimorphism (not that we know of). The plate based dimorphism idea comes from Hesperosaurus actually being a male stegosaurus (and that is bullshit).