general-feedback-discussion

[limber hull]

I believe an adult deino could easily kill an adult suchl

[warm flame]

subadults would have a tough time too

a sucho could realistically just stand over them and hold their head back

of course small subs

[limber hull]

probably

[paper oriole]

Random footstep sounds would be out of place as ambience, it should only accompany things that are actually there or if you are under the affect of dilo's hallucinogens

[urban flax]

The suggestion itself isn't that bad, but the way it is formulated makes me dislike it

Too many people try to work on their rhetorics here, and the result is often more annoying than convincing

[limber hull]

it's very weirdly written, yea

i think that evrima feels less scary than legacy, probably due to larger dinos and scarier nights

[urban flax]

There is no nocturnal predator in evrima yet
So there is nothing to fear during the night

[limber hull]

True, very true

[chilly matrix]

ok guys i just read my text and i have to say ye its weird 😅 i will change it up

[limber hull]

I'm excited for the night vision and troodon update

[chilly matrix]

ok i changed it up dont know if its better though

[limber hull]

@odd sedge that's a perfect mix of variety and naturalism. I'm really happy with that. Don't want to see another BoB customisation, those dinos are ugly af.

Nice brownish red

[urban flax]

Though some dinos can have bright colors
Like ovi and hypsi

[limber hull]

Oh absolutely

[odd sedge]

That's true tho

Don't wanna have any bright pink rexes with a neon green belly running around tho

[limber hull]

Yea, I agree. I love the natural style, but distinct animal colours would be very much appreciated

[daring sequoia]

I would love to see a 5th call like a mating call

[tawny juniper]

hold for mate request, press for group request

[manic flint]

Like that

[karmic plank]

@odd sedge I agree with @limber hull, solid idea. My only contribution would be maybe adding shades of green, and also giving options for frills or small tufts of feathers (like on their head or along their tail) which have the full range of colours and patterns. From a realism point of view, skin tones are chemically limited to the colours you suggested, but feathers (and scales/carapace) can be pretty much anything, including iridescent

I made a suggestion a little while back asking if we could have long and short press versions of all the calls, hopefully they consider it

[molten tulip]

If playing dead ever gets added in any form it should be a perk imo

Same with more advanced scent system mechanics like different footprint colors

[limber hull]

i hope that if playing dead is added someone discovers how to do it running full speed as carno down a hill so i can watch him roll the whole way down violently

[molten tulip]

It would be interesting if playing dead was paired with a really strong perk and it would automatically happen when you drop to a certain hunger percentage

Like the dinosaur gets incredibly weak but you could also turn around and use it

[hoary dawn]

nesting is gonna be vastly different to how it is in legacy so idk if we're gonna have the same "put food in nest" mechanic

[karmic plank]

Yo @bold stratus that's actually a really interesting idea... Obviously not super useful against those wanting to eat you but maybe an option to get that teno group to leave you alone

As long as they made it so you didn't give off the usual carrion smell effect it wouldn't be that OP imo

[arctic nimbus]

How would that even work? You could smell if somebody was actually dead or not.

[karmic plank]

Most of the time roaming herbi groups wouldn't bother to check

Heck I've gotten away from a teno as a Utah because they thought I was dead when I was stunned by a tailslam

[arctic nimbus]

I'm referring to the original suggestion. The suggestion was that the ability could be used to lure in hungry carnivores. Thing is, there are so many things you can do to know if somebody is dead. And you can only unlock this ability at 5% food, which makes it completely useless

[karmic plank]

Oh yeah that bit was a little janky... You'd need to make it so that attempting to eat a fake dead person did bite damage and made them do the hurt call

And people will use it to hide better than laying down

[molten tulip]

What about when it's raining

[karmic plank]

... true

Given you would also need to stand up before attacking it would only really be useful for carnos luring utahs out into a big open area... And if you were under 5% food you wouldn't have the time for a long-term bait like that

I don't think it's strong enough to need the 5% food requirement, but it does open some interesting tactics

[limber hull]

a misty swamp at the break of dawn sounds absolutely amazing, both in gameplay and aesthetics

[karmic plank]

Yeah especially if sounds carry super far like they do IRL... Legit one of my favourite ideas on here to date. I'd love it if there was an area with comparatively high AI that was also perma-fog... Make hunting and being hunted that bit more spooky, and potentially a good spot to run to if you have really dogged pursuers

[karmic plank]

Fog is also a great tool to limit draw distance in busy areas and improve performance on low end machines...

[limber hull]

depends how the fog is done. If the fog is done as particles, it will obliterate low-end, but I'd imagine they'd know better

[drifting radish]

i'd certainly hope they know better, but history would say they dont lol.

[karmic plank]

Nah, basic fog is super easy in most engines, including UE4... It's not done like a volumetric cloud, just a simple distance thing like all your old school games always used to hide model pop-in (think like original Resident Evil)

There is also volumetric fog but it's a bit more performance heavy... It scales with the global shadow settings so users can choose how pretty they want it without much trouble.

According to to the UE4 docs a 970 GTX running at 60 fps would drop down to 50ish on the highest settings (and much less on lower), so it's not that bad; fps drops would also be offset by the reduced draw distances so you could potentially see improvement on low settings for low end machines.

Sure is pretty though

[urban flax]

Wrong channel

[pulsar lake]

As much as I love fog, it shouldn't blind totally blind you tbh.

Like of course you won't see very far but at least, I'd like the scent to get a little revamp so we can know in which direction we're heading to while there is the fog, so it helps similarly to a map.

Also yeah, it could depend of the areas. Inside of the forests, high mountains, swamps and such place must get frequent fog effect but not fortunately all day long.
It could also depend of the weather : stormy, rainy, wet etc.

[paper oriole]

If you let yourself be bucked off you deserve to be vulnerable, your target earned the window to kill you. The only thing that should be fixed is the pause when you voluntarily dismount while you have stam left

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr That looks amazing, maybe it could be part of the ancestor system way down the line

it'd be neat but sadly can't see them trying to do all those hybrid models until the real ones are done... can't see it being a thing for years if ever

and there will be people who get upset by not-real dinos being added when there are still actual ones they'd like to see

[paper oriole]

Hybrid herbis would be no worse than the fake jp abomination calling itself a utahraptor or the kaiju carni strains. As of now they haven’t revealed anything at all for herbis, they probably plan on just neglecting them while carnis get cool strains and more niche diversity

Hybrid herbis would be cool looking and better than nothing

[limber hull]

herbis need an alternate to strains

if you give carnis all the cool shit, people wont play herbi

[paper oriole]

Yeah theres like 0 reason to play herbi aside from being a fan of the animal you’re playing, especially since social capabilities are reduced in evrima

[karmic plank]

I mean, people rarely play herbi anyway (at least, RP)

[molten tulip]

Theres sort of 'strain' instances in herbivores in nature, for example parasites that cause snails to grow double the size and devour everything while completely deleting their ability to reproduce

[paper oriole]

Yeah dead faction, and it will just get worse if it continues to be neglected

[molten tulip]

Instead of nibbling on grass i could imagine a strain trike or stego knocking over trees and overturning soil and just being a walking ecological disaster

[paper oriole]

Something less powerful but easier to obtain as a tradeoff like the magna strain (similar) where an herbi sort of evolves to the horrible ecosystem balance could be something

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[karmic plank]

I think we got to sort of accept that most people are going to play The Isle as a "dinosaur fighting game" and the only herbivores which will be regularly played are the decently combat capable ones

[paper oriole]

Or something related to the strain plants

If the devs go forward with supposed brawlers like pachy in the way that was discussed then even most brawler herbis wont be popular choices

[karmic plank]

It's like the stats of HP, grow time, speed also have one which is (needs meat)

[molten tulip]

Balancing pachy around mixpacking

[paper oriole]

Yeah ruining pachy over some shit that the admins should be moderating anyway, what a sick joke. I hope they dont go through with it

[karmic plank]

Ya, everything needs to be balanced for mixpacks or there needs to be a mechanic which discourages or nerfs it

[molten tulip]

No there doesn't, all you need to do is just have admin tools so admins can ban mixpackers

Its simple

[paper oriole]

Mixpacks should be moderated, they shouldn’t ruin an animal, especially one on a less played faction, just because some idiots like to misbehave

[karmic plank]

As the roster gets bigger it's going to be harder and harder to convince people no, I want to play pachy so you all need to start and keep pachys so we don't mixpack

Or you get kicked out of the group

[paper oriole]

I dont want to touch pachy if they ruin it for that shit

[karmic plank]

ATM it's not so hard - big teno groups are easy

[paper oriole]

It will get curbstomped by a lone utah

Teno is the only good herbi rn

[karmic plank]

Stegos are super strong but only see use in mixpacks

[paper oriole]

Stegos are easy to juke and can be soloed by a dryo

[karmic plank]

Or I should say: are only worth taking in mixpacks

[paper oriole]

Dryo is busted too

[karmic plank]

The killsquads like to take a couple to assault croc pond, use them as dieno busters

[paper oriole]

And hypsi is only good in mixpacks

[karmic plank]

I've still not seen hypsi used effectively

[paper oriole]

Hypsi is good to blind dinos for your friends when the dinos arent paying any attention to you

Or to just blind unaware people to troll

[karmic plank]

Maybe the mixpacks that I've vsed just aren't good with them, but they never seemed to make much difference

[paper oriole]

Its pretty situational, overall it is a pretty useless animal

[karmic plank]

Like vs us tenos substitute anything for a hypsi and the mixpack is weaker... When you killed them they might come back as hypsi so they weren't a useless baby but

Colouration will be a buff for mixpacks too

[molten tulip]

I've only been successfully blinded once and it was because I was just standing there

All the other hypsis just miss and die

[karmic plank]

Blinding is a bit stronger against crocs since they can't seem to wash it off in water

But yeah still useless, the hypsi is more of a threat suiciding and blocking your mouth for 3s (for a carnivore)

[molten tulip]

They should program it to where if you bite while you have something in your mouth you drop it

Abusing the auto grab is funny but its unfair

[karmic plank]

It gives utahs a fighting chance against a dieno if they have the courage to die for their cause

[paper oriole]

I mean if the deino is too stupid to just go back in the water maybe

[karmic plank]

Lots of dienos assume they are invincible, at least when hungry and trying to steal a meal

Or at croc pond where there's not really anywhere for a bleeding adult to hide

[gritty helm]

the body dragging mechanic as a whole needs a lot more polishing tbh

[gritty helm]

@sonic coyote I think #723294838610722847 is what you're looking for

[odd sedge]

It's that kind of creature that will grow in no time and breed like bunnies in order to survive.
Safety in numbers, one or two hypsis will always have to die from an attack while the rest hides

[stuck bison]

@limber hull I like your idea. But I wanted to say that the 4 call is more meant of an alarm. you see danger and you call out to alert everyone that there is danger, more so then 'help me'. At least that's the best use I found with it when in groups. It's a quick way to go 'I see something that can kill us' without typing it out. The moment someone calls out like that it tells everyone to be alert and see there is danger and to hide or be on guard. It can also be used when being attacked to warn others to run for their lives cause you were attacked and are trying to deal with it without typing out 'carno' or 'utah' kinda deal. When used as a warning it's much more effective then as a 'distress' call.

[molten tapir]

Anyone know about a food and water bug. Currently I've safe logged, killed my Dino and re spawned, and yet my hunger and thirst constantly drains even when eating and drinking

[feral solstice]

@golden iron you do realize the 3 call for Deino is realistic right lmao
Crocodiles couldn’t roar, but they growled or fake bit to scare off creatures or threaten them.

[stark dust]

@golden iron I can see what you mean the old deino 3 call is more intemidating it seems like the devs wants to go for a realistic tone.

[odd sedge]

Get the 3 call from that preview video into the game

[golden iron]

it just feels weird, like it should be an attack not a 3 call. Its scary too for a second, you think a cannibal deino is attacking you but they're just 3 calling

[stark dust]

is the carno 3 call like legacys? if yes I can understand the animatiom is weird but the I think the sound is ok I hate the 1 call though xd

[golden iron]

yea like legacy but more reverb/depth

[stark dust]

haha tru

[odd sedge]

https://youtu.be/PJcvlDJrz8A

1:56 Please

[stark dust]

honest carno's brodcast is unoriginal

is it just me but I hear dragon sounds imputted to the brodcast

[odd sedge]

Eh, I don't mind it

[golden iron]

yea that old 3 call is perfect almost

[feral solstice]

I mean it’s literally a threaten bite lol

[golden iron]

or at the least make the normal attack look like it does in this video, then you can keep the 3 call the way it is

[stark dust]

just imagine your right next to a deino and it 3 calls you

feels like its gonna chomp on you especially if your a baby

[golden iron]

its just too close to the regular attack. It should absolutely be more unique

[stark dust]

but at the same time I feel like its the best interpitation of a 3 call

if you remove the bite animation it would feel like a brodcast

[golden iron]

did that head tilt bite not make it in the game? I dont think ive seen it ig

[stark dust]

pretty sure it didnt make it

[karmic plank]

imo dieno 3 call is perfect but many 2 calls need work, and carno 1 call is seriously meh

It's not a roar it's a stage 3 emphysema blaaaarg

[stark dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-banned-stego-stegosaurus-the-isle-gif-15249666

bring back old isle ragdolls

[paper oriole]

unironically an anky should launch a utah into orbit like that if it smacks it with its club

[stark dust]

xd yes

@urban bear lets be real if both made it it will be better

[urban bear]

troodon is bad animal

[stark dust]

works with me

your opinion is your

personally i dont mind it

[vale pawn]

[cyan flame]

@wintry cipherThe stun on miss could be lowered a bit, but preferably only when utah no longer has a "slot" pounce, so there's actually punishment if you pounce the wrong part of the prey and similar. The knockdown I think is fine, if you don't get off in time/lose out on stamina, you should be more or less dead unless the prey is either distracted or lets you live for some reason. Carno have that weird cooldown on charge, and while there's no "stun" on miss for them, tenontos tailslam costs a decent amount of stamina. Both attacks are also something you need to aim and that can be baited and juked, unlike a pounce.

As for your issues with pounce, I have no idea what's up there, but I've been utah a fair bit lately, and have yet to have any issues with hitting my pounces, barring if there's rubberbanding going on or similar. Otherwise it works just fine for me, and the few times I've missed it's been relatively easy to look and see why that happened (bad positioning/too far away and similar mistakes on my part). So not sure why you have such issues, but it doesn't match my experiences at all. Maybe we could test it on some server, see if we can hit each other there or if one of us gets better results for no obvious reason.

[karmic plank]

I've not had issues with Utah pounces but I've given up trying to land dieno lunges on tenos. 3 for 3 just went straight through them.

[cyan flame]

I'll find out how deino works for me soon enough when I'm grown and can find prey that isn't another deino :p

[wintry cipher]

I'd be willing to give it a shot. Just need to cool off after that. Its bad enough I'm disabling the pounce key so i dont fuck myself with a missed pounce again.

[karmic plank]

Pounce dismount is too broken anyway, no reason to use it most fights

[wintry cipher]

I can agree with the knockdown statement though. But it takes a whopping 4 seconds to recover from a missed pounce; way too long imo.

Especially when considering tenonto and carno

likewise, pounce takes a lot of stamina, so the tenonto argument with stam doesnt hold up well

[cyan flame]

@wintry cipherI'll be happy to test any time you want, because if it's that bad for you, then something is going on. I doubt my performance or luck is that good that I'd be doing as fine as I am if there's some common issues with the pounce.

[karmic plank]

I'd say once they remove slot pounces and fix the dismount it will be pretty balanced, maybe a small reduction to the missed stagger

[wintry cipher]

Yeah I'm literally next to the server locations on some places with 32 or less ping so its not my server performance.

[cyan flame]

You could remove the stun on missed pounce completely if there's no more slotting, and actual knockdown if you pounce the wrong part, such as head and or end of the tail (or death if you pounce a stego tail for that matter).

[karmic plank]

As long as the Stam cost was appropriate it might work

[cyan flame]

So you'd have to make sure you land on the flanks of the target, or at least base of tail/base of neck and similar or you'd just fall off like if you hit a tree/ran out of stam.

[wintry cipher]

pretty much

[cyan flame]

That way you get a free "miss", if it's an actual miss, but if you misaim the pounce, you still get into trouble.

[karmic plank]

I like the idea of pounce being a high risk, high reward strategy

[cyan flame]

@wintry cipherLet me know what server you want to test on, I can come on about now, just growing a deino at the moment so not really busy :p

[wintry cipher]

ill hop on and check which ones are open

[karmic plank]

With pins as strong as they are I don't think they could get rid of the missed pounce stagger

[wintry cipher]

....though actually without a test map we're kinda screwed

[karmic plank]

Grab one of the community servers and get an admin to help

[cyan flame]

Yeah, we'll probs need that, hard to test otherwise.

[karmic plank]

There's a few really friendly ones around

@bold palm is pretty nice, they might be happy to help

[wintry cipher]

im on Lost Paradise if you want to test it. just killed a dryo at center so you should be able to find me easilly enough hopefully

more in the forested area though

[cyan flame]

Alright, on my way

@wintry cipherWhat's the full name of the server?

[wintry cipher]

Thelostparadise/norules/freegrows

[cyan flame]

Okay, I'm in!

[wintry cipher]

-380, -499 since that might help

[feral solstice]

Honestly with Utah pouncing the wrong spot like a carnos head, the carno should ram it whiles it’s in the air, damaging it and knocking the Utah to the ground

[cyan flame]

Not really, my coords are different, but I'm at the beginning of the shallows here.

[wintry cipher]

Ill try getting there

Im at the clearing inshallows

[karmic plank]

Might be worth taking it to DMs @wintry cipher @cyan flame and reporting back your findings 🙂

[paper oriole]

Server lag should be fixed rather than balancing an ability around the lag. It makes sense that a teno isnt punished for a missed slam too since it doesn’t control the confrontation and is on the defensive. A Utah pounce can miss due to server lag, but it can also basically teleport the raptor onto somebody because of it too

[wintry cipher]

After testing we figured out it may have something to do with my aim. Going to have to keep testing but we had wonky results.

So now i need to figure out if its me or the game

essentially:

• landed a pounce despite missing/being off to the right on my screen
• failed a pounce as i had teleported to the left
• landed 2 pounces

[paper oriole]

It is definitely the game sometimes, other dinos attacks suffer or benefit from the desync as well, so it could be a mix of both

[karmic plank]

Well, I'm sure they are doing their best but it's not like there is just a switch labelled "Server Lag yes/no" that someone forgot to flip

Coding a server for 100 players ain't easy, it is possible - pubg et al proved that - but it takes some know-how

[paper oriole]

Like sometimes a stego tail will snipe somebody 6 yards away while other times it seems to harmlessly pass right through a teleporting raptor

It is more obvious with utah pounce due to the recovery time and the fact that the ability moves your dino, hopefully they figure out the desync in the next couple patches

Anticoagulent mega venom that leaves steady blood trails visible without scent would be 👌

[cyan flame]

Even so, I suspect there's something going on. I seem to land my pounces pretty much all of the time, or if not, it's more or less clear that I messed up. So Keit seems to have far more of a problem, and while it could be performance/server only, it seems odd.

[karmic plank]

I never worked on a MMO style game but have had some exposure to netcode, and balancing client-side hit registration with server-side isn't easy.

I assume you have a decent FPS @cyan flame

[cyan flame]

If you can call ranging from 10-30 decent, sure ^^

[karmic plank]

... oh, that might be contributing

If your FPS is falling below the server tick rate it could be doing wonky stuff

[cyan flame]

Still, I manage my pounces just fine, so not sure why it works for me then xD

[karmic plank]

Oh right, it's @wintry cipher that's having the issues not you - sorry brain farted

[wintry cipher]

my fps is over 100 and my ping is under 30 normally so 🤷‍♀️ i have absolutely no clue why im having these issues unless im being ghosted on actual numbers. but yeah. just gotta keep testing i guess

erik landed his each time and mine was all over the place

[karmic plank]

The only possible answer is the game heard what you said about its mother and now has it in for you

[wintry cipher]

snort LOL

ive been playing this thing for 1.4k hours and been a mom for that long so i dont think so 😂 tbh though this wierd performance stuff might favor me in my shenanigans to bait enemies into going for me so my pack can attack safely. whereas if i go offensive i get screwed. its wierd

[karmic plank]

If you can teleport around for others might be useful haha

Might be worth reinstalling it? If it's been fine up until now maybe do the whole uninstall, delete profile folder, reinstall

@bold rapids how would Megalania stop other big predators smelling the blood and stealing the kill?

Komodo dragons are pretty much the only big predator on their island, not sure how Megalania could reliably chase prey for that long without getting challenged... Unless its venom also made those eating the corpses sick

[bold rapids]

Just the same as any other dinosaur being approached by smth bigger than yourself, you dont
Although ig megalania does still pose a pretty good threat to bigger dinos
Also that point of making the corpses unedible to some other dinos is actually pretty cool

[karmic plank]

Maybe not inedible, but maybe the corpses start out partly rotten so only carnivores who can normally eat carrion can safely eat it

If a carno or Utah did it they would get food poisoning and all the effects with that... If they were hungry enough it might be worth it, but casual ones might reconsider

A Cerato would probably be fine, though

[paper oriole]

Why do so many people think its a good idea for ptera to pick up dinos

[honest sparrow]

Popular media

[karmic plank]

I mean if you stick to what I think - 1/4 weight - would be very little that they could grab

Half grown dryo maybe, if they were dumb enough to get caught

[vale pawn]

can it even pick up a compy

[sonic mural]

Not with those feet

[karmic plank]

It's pretty damn hard hitting little fast Dinos anyway, I usually end up just landing and chasing them

Most of the targets in that weight range would die to a single beak strike anyway - 50 damage to 30kg targets means only a juvy Utah would survive a body strike

[karmic plank]

They'd carry with their beak, just like they do with fish

[karmic plank]

Considering they catch and carry 15kg fish why shouldn't they catch and carry 15kg dinos?

Apart from the obvious balance concerns

[limber hull]

i personally want to see troodon in more than dilo

[paper oriole]

dinosaur essence

[swift dew]

im pretty sure they are talking about scent

[paper oriole]

imagine the pain of sorting out nearly 60 unique colours for dino scents

[karmic plank]

We only need slight shade variations to show the major groups. Doesn't need to be "oh that's a Cerato" but "oh that's a carnivore therapod" would be good

Or at minimum "that is/isn't my species" and ideally "that is/isn't something that's supposed to eat me or be et by me"

[limber hull]

you saying "magy" and then "carnivore therapod" threw me way off

[karmic plank]

IRL animals have their prey and predator scents programmed deep, deep into their brains

[karmic plank]

That better? Lol

[limber hull]

yes

[vale pawn]

magy turned out to be a theropod confirmed

[karmic plank]

Plus there are more tools than just scent shade - I liked the idea of having different smoke effects for fresh tracks, so it's easy to tell what something is when the tracks are fresh but as they get older (and the smoke disappears) you need to get closer and actually look carefully to work out what it is

[paper oriole]

Dimetrodon't

Also dime is no where near mid tier

[honest sparrow]

dimetro max weighs in around like quetz weight

which is half utah weight for reference

[paper oriole]

Presto better

[stark dust]

works for me

I dont know much about dimetro's wait.....I should do more reserch next time

[paper oriole]

Imagine spending 2hr growing an absolute fodder psuedo-mammal

Dime would get mugged by everything on the island

[stark dust]

I just used this as refrence for my dime concept

[stark dust]

man even taco can kill it (joke)

[paper oriole]

Prehistoric wildlife moment

[stark dust]

lol

[paper oriole]

Dont trust PW's charts, unfortunately they are some of the most common in search results but they are notoriously inaccurate

[stark dust]

oof

[paper oriole]

Anyway. Presto besto, this man could do the job

[stark dust]

well thank you for notifying me

[pulsar lake]

The thing is that, it actually is good that things like pounce and lunge are kinda punished if you miss as they are ambush mechanics.

But the main problem here is the latency and rubber banding in the official servers, and even unofficials, that need to be worked on and corrected.

[paper oriole]

yes the pounce punishment should not be removed or shortened, lag should be fixed instead

[stark dust]

agree

lag and bugs are the biggest down fall for this game

[limber hull]

pounce has never felt like an ambush to me

it's just another combat move

[pulsar lake]

If you're solo, it's your best way to kill something quick.

You pin it down and just best the shit out of it

But once you're in pack, you try to do a relay strategy with your teammates on larger animals.

Like, very large animals. Medium sized ones kinda sucks to attack as you cannot be a lot to pounce.

Let's say you all go for an Allo, that could use its grapples to just kill you if you try to pounce, and you can only be 2 to pounce it, while it is almost 6 times your size.

Your tools aren't done for it.

[paper oriole]

well lucky for utahs they could just choose not to attack the allo in the first place at least

[pulsar lake]

They could not

But Isle players

[honest sparrow]

pounce is both an ambush tool and combat tool

[keen vapor]

dime would get slapper by like every single dinosaur

[paper oriole]

Literally a dryo could bully it to death

[karmic plank]

[paper oriole]

Tell me I’m lying

It's the truth

[karmic plank]

I really don't think you are

so... tribal pet?

[paper oriole]

Though to be fair a dryo can bully a stego into submission and kill sub utahs

[karmic plank]

dryo is like ground ptera

I love it

[paper oriole]

Idk i dont think dime would really be worth the resources to add, its like a worse case of magy

[karmic plank]

could probably share a lot of animations and assets with spino

but like... what's the point

[paper oriole]

Not even, dime is a quadruped

[karmic plank]

oh right, yeah

[paper oriole]

Our spino is built like a terrestrial theropod, it would be more comparable to megalania

[karmic plank]

I mean is there a place for a small, fast water herbivore?

[paper oriole]

Like a worse megalania

[karmic plank]

I assume all those big sail dinos are meant for swimming or actually sailing

[paper oriole]

Fast in the water? Atopo can fill that spot easy

[karmic plank]

What's the atapo?

[paper oriole]

One sec

[karmic plank]

oh neat

[paper oriole]

Basically, water dryo

[karmic plank]

is that like a bill for finding crustaceans and the like?

[paper oriole]

I think he eats kelp

[karmic plank]

yeah that would fit in if we got tide pools and some big water stuff

and I can't imagine deinos would share their rivers with anything

[paper oriole]

Atopo and notho seem to be common subjects for a coastal aquatic pair

[odd sedge]

He be like
.___.

[paper oriole]

He know he cute

[karmic plank]

dammit discord formating let me make my ascii face

[odd sedge]

Add that thing and make Austro coastal too.
Coastal environment please

[paper oriole]

Austro could be a jack of all trades fisher

Brackish, marine and freshwater wading

[karmic plank]

atapo seems like a great choice for AI too, if that's not still too divisive

[paper oriole]

I mean everything will be ai

He would be good small marine ai

[dark bronze]

Maybe only remove the spawn cooldown for it you die as a juvi, but not as a whole

[tawny juniper]

Yeah like cooldown only if you're below 45%

[karmic plank]

As a ptera main, they lack any and all of the equipment needed to do a water takeoffs. They lack oiled feathers and air sacs to trap air and float, they don't have big underslung webbed feet to water-run or launch, and they don't have large low AR wings to push themselves out and up with or just the bulk wing area of e.g. an Osprey to flap out vertically. Ospreys also rely on carrying prey with their claws for takeoff - they get their whole body into the air while the fish is still in the water. Ptera wouldn't be able to do that, either.

The awkward slow way they swim on the surface now is actually fairly realistic, though in reality they probably (depending on shoulder configuration) would have been able to dive and swim underwater just fine.

If we really want ptera to be diving birds, let them swim underwater quickly and rely on building up speed and breaching to get airborne easily, a bit like shags/cormorants do.

I can't see anyone ever wanting to dive and swim with dieno a threat anyway, and giving them the ability to see through the water would be crazy OP for mixpacks.

So unless we make them fast underwater swimmers, I really think that they will be closer to big raptors than proper seabirds in the water. https://youtu.be/oznph6m9lOs

[loud hamlet]

At least that’s true for Isle ptera, irl Ptera was a fantastic swimmer. Guess it has something to do with keeping it from leaving the island

[karmic plank]

Is that known or inferred? Typically most diving birds either use their feet or have stubby wings, not long ones

[loud hamlet]

I don’t know much about it, I just know about studies indicating that Ptera was well-adapted for the ocean

[manic flint]

An admin chat of some sort where the admins can talk to you could work, but adding global back is not good for the game

[karmic plank]

I mean if they spent lots of time out at sea like an albatross or such, they probably had to have a technique to get airborne if they landed, so that would support the water-take-off crowd... I just can't quite picture how they would manage it without way more bouyancy

[loud hamlet]

They probably had some sort of adaptation to keep them from sinking

We just can’t see it in fossils generally

[karmic plank]

If they had a lot more muscle and such around their feet they might have been able to use them like a porpoise tail and swim competently

Well, they already had a fair bit to do their land launches... But you know what I mean

[limber hull]

fuck global chat, played legacy and it legit is a bunch of uwu raptors talking about how "cutsie wutsie" their baby is and it's the worst shit ever

[karmic plank]

Is it really that bad

[paper oriole]

I mean it also made it better when you KOSed them and then they came back in and started crying about it

[limber hull]

i am not fucking joking

i had to turn it off

[paper oriole]

I miss the rage from kos victims in global, but jt really should only come back for sandbox

[karmic plank]

Oh my... Yeah we don't need more opportunities for people to be toxic and earn breaks from TI

[limber hull]

and since everyone was in global, you never got to talk to any of your species because they never wrote in local

[paper oriole]

All the “say a for allo egg we have so many babas uwu” “come be our sibling uwu” was cringe as hell though

Aint gonna miss that

[limber hull]

that is scarily accurate to how they talk

[paper oriole]

Yes it is disgusting

Its fine for sandbox though since those are usually deathmatch clusterfucks with no rules or reason to play normally, but it can stay gone in survival

[manic flint]

Just like add an optional admin chat or something so people who want to talk to admins can do that
But global sucks and I hate it

[karmic plank]

Look I don't usually judge if people want to be all... That... It's better than being edgelords

But yeah... I don't really think that is value add either

[paper oriole]

Oh but there were edgords aplenty as well

Lots of trash talking rexes and shit

[karmic plank]

Give servers the option to have global chat and leave it off for official, make everyone happy

Discord is the only global I need

[manic flint]

Just don't add global at all

[paper oriole]

I remember playing in a carno group and some dumb ass rex was ambush walking out in the open down a hill talking shit like “fight me carnos i bet ur scared” like lmao

[manic flint]

Lmao

[karmic plank]

Every carno and dieno 1 call spamming to bait would be just smashing that global

[manic flint]

People talk about carno 3 call breaking immersion bit look at global lol

[karmic plank]

I had an idea before for x-species chat - it's too poopoo for a suggestion - but what if other species nearby could see your chat, but it was all garbled

So you could sorta maybe make it out if you were a close species - But the further apart you were the less sense it made

It could be something like symbol substitution with some scrambling so that if you sat down and really tried hard you might be able to translate dryo into teno or something

But no way could a stego understand a carno

[paper oriole]

Clear cross species herbivore chat could be an option in unofficials where there are rules to prevent herbivore deathsquads

Just not global levels

Global belongs in sandbox only

[karmic plank]

Also: died to admins?

[manic flint]

Slayed?

[kindred flare]

@lavish root thats legacy. Legacy won't be getting any updates so don't bother

[swift dew]

also its the only counter to tail riding as pretty much every server has alt-turn off. you do that everything that isnt utah goes extinct

[paper oriole]

feels good to see an assride raptor die

especially at docks

[stark dust]

@barren zephyr good idea but id give some feedback to your suggestion. It should be an option like if an admin wants to have a pack limit to his/her server. The admin can change the pack limit for any creature for example he/she can make utah pack limit to 6 or 20

oh ok

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr an interesting idea but I don't know how it would be mechanised and it seems like it would get needlessly frustrating. Cruising through mid with your 3 teno buddies all of a sudden wtf? Stressed? Why? Oh there's another teno group across the river... Spam species chat telling them to gtfo... Etc etc

Plus if it doesn't count for combat then what's the point

Diets should naturally set soft area species caps

I know why you are suggesting it - I've had a similar one - but the exactities and the other unintended outcomes need a bit more thought

I want to see more soft nerfs to mixpacks and megapacks but it needs to be intuitive, focused, and not abusable

Megapacks almost never work anyway, even now - too hard to keep organised and people just avoid them until they disperse or starve

Making everyone debuffed when too many people turn up will also lead to toxic behaviour towards newcomers, or groups just randomly killing others to keep numbers down

[hasty dagger]

Shut up man

[sudden hinge]

@lavish root stop mentioning legacy they arent touching it

[karmic plank]

@swift dew agree but that mechanic is an important part of fighting dienos atm so let's let that balance be fixed before we push too hard for it

[swift dew]

the fact that deinos can't just drop something and bite you? I don't want combat to be about abusing game mechanics

[karmic plank]

Me either, but love it or hate it they don't need that buff right now

I say this as someone who has been a dieno with a mixpack relying heavily on that bug to fight me at pond

Using baby crocs to inflict bleed to find me and prevent me from biting if I got them by mistake

Hypsi too

[limber hull]

All that + less shallows please

I'd prefer a deino that doesn't have to walk out on land because everyone drinks in easy spaces

[karmic plank]

Map overhauls are coming in u4 I believe, and yeah shallows is so broken

Plus the sound bug for underwater sprinting and river bottom walking

Plus the hit registration issues with lunge

[honest sparrow]

You know I honestly can’t even disagree

[paper oriole]

new alberto model makes me bad feels

[limber hull]

wait which one is the new one

i cant tell

[paper oriole]

looks like one of those toys that you gotta prop up on the shelf because it doesnt stand up on its own lmao

[karmic plank]

Which is which?

I don't really like any of them... All but the bottom right look like they have dislocated their hip and that one is yucky for other reasons

So fan edit is one that they want?

[pulsar lake]

Alberto

so much pain

[odd sedge]

New alberto looks like a pug...

[sand widget]

we don't have enough development information. usually I keep some exitement for updates with new data regularly by PunchPacket but it looks like for this update I lose the excitement due to lack of information ... and you? what do you think????

[worldly ginkgo]

better than being hyped then being disappointed when the update comes out

[odd sedge]

I mean, all in all if you think about the things that are coming, there could be a lot of hype.
Diets with fruits, other foliage etc, fractures that will make the game more interesting, a beautiful new map, New playable soon...

But you just don't really feel hyped for some reason. Sure, it's an ecstatic feeling every time you get isle phase two or those sweet sweet ✅ 's in roadmap updates, but I think there should be much more U4 or U4.5 stuff in isle phase two, rather than nights or weather, to actually show people what to be hyped for

[sand widget]

all i mean is that it would be really good if we had a little more content to keep the excitement going. Usually I watch the smallest news every day, but for a while now I have found myself forgetting the isle and yet it is my favorite game !!

[molten tulip]

The devs understandably have to keep all of their plans secret and under wraps until they know for sure its going to be a part of the game (e.g. they've put it in, tested it, and run it by qa). When they say everything they're planning to test and add, and it ends up having to be cut for whatever reason they decide, people get angry and accuse them of scamming and etc so its best to just not say anything that can change in the future

To be fair they are absolutely doing the best they can despite that, especially punch, going as far to say what he's not allowed to share and answering the communitys questions on things he can share

Id rather things not be announced until the update where I'll be pleasantly surprised by it than being surrounded by constant fanbase drama

[haughty forge]

Same I prefer that they say nothing and having good surprises

[ashen wasp]

Dryo could use its roadmap eye textures, but so could Tenonto— Ovi and Troodon should get their concept pupil shapes too

[meager tiger]

I want more landmarks other than a giant river. Half the time if you wander away from the river, its just all jungle and fields. Its easy to get lost. Its boring too no point in exploring or owning/fighting over territory. Even the river gets bland because go down stream its to tell how down river you even are

[vale pawn]

yea the map rn feels bland

[tawny juniper]

You can't own territory

[meager tiger]

not "own" but like patrol a landmark for hunting grounds

water

acess to mates, good nesting areas

etc

[tawny juniper]

😐

[meager tiger]

that what I did in legacy

[odd sedge]

It will get better with nesting.
I cannot wait for that update, because it will finally start the days of packs of carnivores or herds choosing their hunting and nesting grounds, where they will learn every little inch of their territory to get rid of any dangers

[paper oriole]

Funny joke

If stego got even slower its stamina should be drastically increased, and it is currently very mediocre with its defense

[pale bloom]

Stego is in fact good at defending itself currently, otherwise I would be seeing Stego corpses on every server I play on

[warm flame]

I already see that

[honest sparrow]

I see stego corpses everywhere

[pale bloom]

I don't

[paper oriole]

I almost killed a stego as a dryo and would have if its friend didnt show up

Stego is trash

Deino beats it in trades due to alt bite and runs it down too

[pale bloom]

The poor guy didn't learned how to play yet then

[paper oriole]

Stego doesnt need to be slower unless they also give it a significant stamina boost as a tradeoff

Its already boring as hell to travel as something as slow as current stego

Especially when youre just going to get mowed down by a utah pack that can easily dodge your only useful attack

[warm flame]

they should make the tail swipe it has rn the alt attack

and upscale stego to its accurate size

and buff it in nearly every aspect

[paper oriole]

Yeah its a joke animal rn

[warm flame]

5 hours to die in 10 minutes

[karmic plank]

If stegos get any slower they would need to be Merc aligned just to get taxi rides around the map haha

From a realism point of view I think you are probably correct - they likely just walked everywhere and rarely, if ever, galloped - but sometimes gameplay needs to trump realism

[paper oriole]

I wouldnt mind a powerwalk with amazing stam, it honestly would probably be less agonizing to travel with then, but it needs to be a low stronger

It is fodder, a punching bag to anything small and agile.

[warm flame]

the tail swipe should be devastating to anything it hits

[pale bloom]

It already is...

[paper oriole]

Lmaooo

[warm flame]

doesn't seem like it when deinos just tank it

[paper oriole]

If you think its amazing and you play utah then you are bad at utah

[pale bloom]

?

[paper oriole]

Deinos tank stego with alt bite easy

[warm flame]

literally all a deino needs to do to kill a stego is stand in it and just tank it

[pale bloom]

When I said I play Utah, it's devastating to anything except Deino

[paper oriole]

Lmaoooo no

A dryo can toy with it

[pale bloom]

Hit a Carno and while doesn't kill it, you're off of the fight for half and hour

[paper oriole]

A single dryo or utah can force a stego to hide its face

Oh wow stego can almost oneshot a small game hunter less than a third of its size how cool

[pale bloom]

You can force bad Stegos do that yeah I agree

[karmic plank]

Dieno vs stego is only bad for dieno if they get lag or jumped on land

[paper oriole]

So you admit it’s bad

[pale bloom]

Just because most people doesn't know how to counter bait or land properly their attacks doesn't mean the animal it's bad

[paper oriole]

Stego shouldnt be forced to shove up against a rock hide its face against one raptor or one pony sized iguanadont

[karmic plank]

Stegos are strong in groups but super weak solo

[paper oriole]

Baiting attacks when your attack is easy to dodge anyway lul

Hope the raptor is stupid enough

[warm flame]

just hope that the utah doesn't know how to dodge one of the slowest attacks in game

[pale bloom]

Easy to dodge and easy to land, hitting far away from its current hitbox

[paper oriole]

Nothing, especially something that takes 5 hours to grow, should need a group to be viable

A solo utah or carno does better

A solo teno does better

[warm flame]

a solo fucking hypsi does better

[pale bloom]

Deino needs a group to be viable otherwise you get cannibalized by groups 😂

[warm flame]

yeah, those cannibal groups need eachother to be viable too lmao

[paper oriole]

Oh wow deino's only threat it itself? Cool

[karmic plank]

I rolled one stego, got into a protracted standoff with a pair of carnos, and ended up dying because I had to go for water

Never again

[paper oriole]

You could say any lone animal is unviable because it will lose to a group of its own species

With that logic

[warm flame]

carno isn't viable because it dies to a group of carnos

[paper oriole]

But it isnt, stego gets put on the ropes by the isle equivalent of a whitetail deer

[karmic plank]

I mean, herbivores are meant to herd, and balancing solo and group play simultaneously is not exactly easy, but yeah stego needs work

[warm flame]

herbivores shouldn't have to herd to survive

[paper oriole]

So the less populated faction should be balanced to be unviable unless they are grouped. Great design by agouti

[karmic plank]

Both valid points, but I stand by my statement

[warm flame]

I can respect that

[pale bloom]

I'm not gonna get into arguments with a group of Herbie mains because I just don't have the time, I just think most people underperform their animal because they're just bad at playing it, seen videos of people using it and doing real mess to groups of other playables

[warm flame]

I don't even play as herbis lmao

[paper oriole]

Lmao its always that argument in the end

[karmic plank]

Ouch

[paper oriole]

“Guhh durr herbi mains” you know it really isnt worth trying to speak any logic into anybody with that mindset either. Plus the only good herbi rn is tenonto, even i dont bother with herbis right now

[barren zephyr]

Argue

[paper oriole]

A utahraptor with microwave potato IQ can die to a stego and people will say stego is balanced

[karmic plank]

I'm pretty crap at carno, and my ping is too high to really play Utah, but I've managed to mess up a stego with both even when they were packed with tenos... They are only really useful to mixpacks doing dieno dam busting

[paper oriole]

I am a shit player and i dodged every hit from the stego as dryo

[warm flame]

I've seen videos of people easily 1v1ing stegos as utahs and carnos by just faking it into a tail swipe and biting the head

[sudden hinge]

@lavish root you know they aren’t messing with legacy why even post it in feedbacj

[paper oriole]

lol that’s dragon's what, second legacy feedback in the last couple days? Does he realize

[barren zephyr]

Gonna be honest I physically cannot kill stegos as carno but I can as Utah. I’m not sure if it’s a skill issue or.

[warm flame]

you're just better with utah

[karmic plank]

Carnos have a much easier time with someone else to bait

Or a pair so you can wear them down

[warm flame]

utahs have the agility to bait things alone

[cyan flame]

No, they're not meant to herd anymore than carnis are meant to pack. Some animals may be designed to pack for the sake of hunting bigger prey, but that's not the same as defending, nor should it be treated the same way.

[karmic plank]

Are we talking realism or gameplay here?

[paper oriole]

Gameplay is the thing that matters here. I doubt its realism for a single utah to kick a stegos ass either

[karmic plank]

Solo utahs and carnos are sorta common, I find them all the time when running around

[paper oriole]

And

[karmic plank]

Solo tenos are way rarer

[paper oriole]

Single utahs and single carnos are way more viable than a single stego who takes way longer to grow and is slow as fuck

[karmic plank]

Herbis want to group because safety in numbers, carnivores need to avoid large groups because of food stress

Plus stealth hunting

[paper oriole]

Herbis want to group but guess what? Carnis take up like 80% of the server

Herbis shouldnt have to group to be viable

[karmic plank]

Remember a few days ago when there was like 10 carnos grouped up in mid on NA1? They were absolutely undefeatable... But everything just avoided them and they ended up eating each other

[paper oriole]

And

[barren zephyr]

I think I was in that group lol

I remember I was in a big carno group and they tried to eat me

[karmic plank]

The guys I usually play with prefer tenos, so I'm a bit blessed in being able to easily herd when I want to play herbi... But it's rough in your new or solo-ish players

[loud hamlet]

Mega herds are boring

[karmic plank]

That too

Nesting will probably encourage more group and family herds

[paper oriole]

How will nesting help herbis when carnis can do it just as well

It will not make herbis more popular

[karmic plank]

It will help new or solo herbivores find groups

Less random baby stegos running around 1 calling looking for a friend

[cyan flame]

Gameplay, realism is always secondary to gameplay and balance, much as I like realistic gameplay at times.

[paper oriole]

It will also help carnis group, more carni groups to kill the less populated herbi faction

[cyan flame]

And I don't know, with diets, I don't think herbis will want to herd as much :p

[karmic plank]

Carnivore groups are always being pushed to disperse because if food stress, herbivores aren't

[paper oriole]

Nothing in the forseeable future looks like it will help herbis, and you want them to rely on herds lol

Diers will give herbivores food stress

[cyan flame]

Not that the big and weaponized herbis should be in groups, leave that for the less dangerous herbis where competition for food might not be quite as lethal to do

[paper oriole]

Even rn ive seen herbis kill eachother for a bush

[cyan flame]

It's probably safer for two gallis to contest the flower than two pachies, or two paras vs two trikes :p

[karmic plank]

No, that is misrepresenting my position. I was saying that herbivores will always end up grouping, and balancing that group play against solo play is difficult

[cyan flame]

You don't balance for group, you balance for solo, how is it so difficult?

[paper oriole]

Just balance them to be viable solo. That easy

[karmic plank]

Then they will be broken OP in groups

Potentially

[paper oriole]

Lmao no

[cyan flame]

Carnis will also always end up grouping if they can afford it, and the diet does not say otherwise, it's far more likely that they group than not, even if there's not food right there anyway

[paper oriole]

Diets will prevent megaherds, and it is always easier to find another carni than another herbi

[karmic plank]

That is exactly where stegos are atm, broken if used correctly in groups and useless in solo

[cyan flame]

So then you solve that by not letting the too powerful herbis group too much. There's no reason why you should have more than two stegos, ankys, trikes or similar, any more than more than two rexes, gigas, spinos, deinos and so on

[karmic plank]

And how do you do that?

[pale bloom]

Seems like I've been playing a different game judging what yall are saying about Herb/Carni numbers on servers

[cyan flame]

If you need a group and want to be a bigger herbi, be a parasaur or shant maybe, that while big and powerful, are less weaponized and thus slightly less dangerous in general

[pale bloom]

I've seen Center collapsed by Herbie megaherds

[cyan flame]

Food requirements?

Same way you'd limit rex groups

[paper oriole]

I see like 3 times as many carnis as herbis consistently when flapping around the whole map

[pale bloom]

Then we have different perceptions

[cyan flame]

Yeah, I don't know where you're at, but I've yet to see more than the occassional herbi, or sometimes a stego squad occupying the pond, which well, yes, it's the pond ^^

[honest sparrow]

I’ve actually seen teno more often recently

[karmic plank]

Elaborate

[honest sparrow]

But there is still way more carnis than herbis overall

[cyan flame]

I.. don't know what you want me to say. You make them require massive amounts of food, so they're simply not sustainable? Like you'd do with any group. Rexes need massive amounts of food, so if you got more than 2 adults, you'll be running low on your important food and that'll make you weak (as per diets) and so on.

And the same for stego and other herbis then.

[karmic plank]

The point I am trying to make is people often underestimate or oversimplify things with games like this "just make X happen" but yes... How? And what other flow on effects will that have?

It's like "Just fix server lag"

Like I'm not disagreeing at all with the points you are making - but I think addressing them is harder than people think

[paper oriole]

Fixing server lag is a different kind of issue than balancing which is entirely up to solid decisions. Server lag can be hard to fix from a different perspective. The two issues are not comparable

[cyan flame]

Possible, but that's why we have QA to figure things out :p

But the point is that you can and should limit big animals, we don't want 5 rexes in a group either, so something is needed

[karmic plank]

Food availability can help keep herbivores from broken mixpacks and megaherds, assuming grass grazing is removed, but if you force them out to disparate corners people just... Won't play them because they don't get to go to mid and fight

[cyan flame]

That would be more of an issue with people wanting to fight rather than survive.. xD

And there's nothing saying there wouldnt be predators and other things in all the corners as well I guess

[karmic plank]

Eh, just surviving is boring, ask any teno haha

Every herbivore run ends in a suicide for me

[cyan flame]

It's boring because it's A, easy and B, there's no point right now

No surprise we're all bored, there's no reason to stay alive, you grow up, you fight til you die, because there's nothing else, but that's an issue with the lack of a game loop and all that

[karmic plank]

Yeah... There have been suggestions about game-a-fying things by adding unlocks and all that nonsense... I don't think there is much support for it

Ancestors will do that a little, but most people just want to do some light RP and fight other dinosaurs I think

[cyan flame]

Unlocks? You talking about perks and the elder cycle, or nesting and stuff, or what?

[karmic plank]

Yeah, perks, elder cycle, that stuff

Nesting will add an objective too, that's a good point

[cyan flame]

Well, we're getting perks and all that, far as I know at least

[karmic plank]

I think the aim should be to have a good enough gameplay loop that you don't need to rely on some sort of progression system to keep people playing

For me it's a bit like the old MMOs - half the reason you play is the game, half the reason is to hang out with people or interact

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr Agree with everything except the burrow, unless it takes significant work/time to create and can be found through scent (hygiene system). Predators would also need to be able to destroy them with enough time, like dogs do with rabbit warrens

[warm flame]

I certainly agree with nerfing the bite force, it can 1 shot fresh spawn carnos

[karmic plank]

I died to one last night 🤣

[barren zephyr]

wait what server lol

[karmic plank]

NA1

[barren zephyr]

that was me lmao

[warm flame]

NA 3

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

I’m sorry

[karmic plank]

Haha I was pretty cranky at the time but now it's just funny

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I go after everything as dryo

Dryo instinct

[karmic plank]

Me too, I can't complain

I was mainly mad at myself for being so ADHD

[warm flame]

I think it should be able to harass them but not kill them, unless pigeon's the dryo ofc

[karmic plank]

I'd love to see a Dino which can use burrows but not make them - encourage a bit of colonial action

[warm flame]

ava when

[karmic plank]

Just not sure that dryo needs another escape tool

[warm flame]

I think that the burrowing would make it certainly more interesting

[karmic plank]

Hmm, good point

I'd like to see them more like rabbit warrens, like an established base that they can work on and build up

[warm flame]

I remember once I was a dryo fighting 4 deinos

[karmic plank]

Homalocephane? Is that on the road map?

[barren zephyr]

You won

[warm flame]

almost

[barren zephyr]

If anything dryo is just a better Utah atm

[warm flame]

more enjoyable, dryo is a troll class, the best at it

[karmic plank]

Gotcha. Yeah I agree it looks more like a hard working Warren builder

[barren zephyr]

Plus you can just sit in a bush. Make food and you’re a full adult by the time you get back

[karmic plank]

Dryo is great fun, and you can get up onto the ptera rock at the north end of pond river and scare the ptera there

[warm flame]

yeah dryo is the best for people who don't want to spend 5 hours on the game

[barren zephyr]

5 hours just to get cannibalized or 4 shotted by a alligator

[karmic plank]

There was a dryo militia in NA1 yesterday apparently, going around doing Skaven assaults on groups

[warm flame]

I bet pigeon was one of them

actually no, pigeon was all of them

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

I was actually grouped with @honest sparrow massacring

Good

[warm flame]

we always kill our own

[barren zephyr]

doesn’t matter if you’re hungry

[karmic plank]

I think we can all agree that a reduction to their bite force is probably warranted... Lol

[warm flame]

nerf all their biteforces but give pigeon's dryos god stats

[manic flint]

^

[karmic plank]

Give pigeon a bright white dryo that's 3 times as strong

[barren zephyr]

Yes please

[karmic plank]

And gets its own boss music

[barren zephyr]

Monster hunter dryo

need at least 19 stegos to kill it

[karmic plank]

Shiny Dryo

[warm flame]

79*

[barren zephyr]

97

[warm flame]

201 (Dalmatians)

[karmic plank]

But it has to eat trees to survive

[barren zephyr]

I killed 2 baby tenos last night

Kinda felt bad

[karmic plank]

You monster.

[warm flame]

it climbs to the top of trees and camps waiting for brachis to come and eat then pounces on their heads like a xenomorph and eats them

[karmic plank]

[barren zephyr]

I grazed on their bodies afterwards

[warm flame]

delicious baby tenos

[karmic plank]

Carnivore Dryo strain when

[barren zephyr]

Gonna main that

[warm flame]

return of carni dryo

[barren zephyr]

Hyper Magna Neuro tisso dryo

[warm flame]

only OG's will remember

[karmic plank]

I'm not OG enough to remember that :<

[karmic plank]

I swear I played way back at the start but I was a trike main

[barren zephyr]

I only had the game for around a year now

I’m cringe

[karmic plank]

Stego has got nothing on the trike waddle, little fat rolls with spikes

[warm flame]

I got this game back in early 2016 for quetz

[barren zephyr]

He shall return….eventually…

[warm flame]

I only got to play it once because I didn't know you could just turn on experimental

[barren zephyr]

Super worried for the future of this game

We have no knowledge about it. It’s kinda worrisome

[warm flame]

only teases from devs

[barren zephyr]

we’re counting on the devs to not mess up again

[karmic plank]

I'm not that worried, I thought it was going to be abandoned as legacy but everything I've seen since then has been pretty positive

It's going the direction i always sorta hoped it would

[vale pawn]

[warm flame]

I'm just wondering if they're going to end up abandoning evrima in the future like they did with legacy

[barren zephyr]

I think it would be pretty nice if they gave us more information about this game though. It’s such a mystery atm.

It’s going in a good direction

but there’s just not a lot of information

[karmic plank]

Nah, legacy needed to be abandoned, I highly doubt they were careless enough to need to do it again

[barren zephyr]

Leggersee

[vale pawn]

leg C

[warm flame]

leg B

[karmic plank]

I think The Isle was their first really big project? Only natural there would be mistakes

[warm flame]

I hope they add rexes massive hitbox back

[barren zephyr]

Acro where

[warm flame]

Acro there

[barren zephyr]

[vale pawn]

[karmic plank]

I used to be in game development years ago, and software design before that, there really is just a point where you can't patch it any further and need to start over

[barren zephyr]

what game :))))

are you path of titans dev

[karmic plank]

Lol nothing that recent

On second thoughts let's not discuss that title here

[warm flame]

I saw you delete a message beginning with "I did have a look at P- ok fair enough

[karmic plank]

Needless to say I didn't switch from TI

[warm flame]

I wish I never got PoT

[karmic plank]

To answer the previous question, most of my time was spent doing custom maps in Warcraft 3, then starcraft 1 and 2, then trying to build a standalone game from the successes there... But I really didn't have the skills or time to do it eight

Right"

So it all sort of went nowhere

[loud hamlet]

Where I live, the night is noisy as hell

Cicadas screaming

Crickets screaming

Frogs Screaming

[karmic plank]

Frogs... Screaming?

[warm flame]

where I live frogs always screech in agony, seriously what? I thought only certain kinds did that when they got scared

[barren zephyr]

My friend made me get the 50 dollar version. I literally payed that much money for a worse version of legacy

I could’ve bought a triple A game. Or food even

[warm flame]

[karmic plank]

AAA... Food...

[barren zephyr]

Hi

[karmic plank]

Food is for fatties

[barren zephyr]

Ping me again

well. Look at me name

[karmic plank]

@barren zephyr no

[barren zephyr]

oh

[karmic plank]

Anyway back on topic... I'm going to get in so much trouble one of these days... How would burrows work? Would you actually be inside them and able to look around?

Or would it be like press button to enter, camera outside, press button to exit

[barren zephyr]

Tbh I was never a fan of dryos burrow

in legacy at least

it was a way to escape predators. sure. but they could literally just sit there and starve you out

[karmic plank]

I never used it, not sure how it works

[barren zephyr]

it was. Alright I guess? I never really played dryo in legacy to begin with

You’re stuck in a animation while you dig into and out of your burrow which made you extremely vulnerable

[karmic plank]

Mmm, that seems reasonable from a balance standpoint, otherwise you would never be able to catch one

and established burrows would be OP unless they could be destroyed... At which point they'd probably be a bit useless

Two entrances makes them a bit better but then you just use 2 utahs instead of one

[barren zephyr]

Yeah. Doesn’t really matter anymore though since well….it’s legacy. And we know legacy isn’t very good at a balancing standpoint

2.8 ton Allo ambushes faster than a Utah while having the best bleed and hp heal in the entire game

[karmic plank]

Legacy is still a good touchstone for suggestions, what worked and what didn't

[barren zephyr]

Yeah it’s good to inference what worked in legacy and how it could be implemented in evrima, but improved on. plus the maps were actually pretty decent

miss thenyaw.

[karmic plank]

I wasn't playing when thenyaw was up, the pictures look neat though

[urban flax]

@lapis tree Bruh this is not Skyrim

[urban flax]

@pure fossil irl Spino did not walk on 4 legs

its front limbs are hand, not feet, and its wrists are not made to support its weight

If anything spino could support itself on its knuckles for a short amount of time

[pure fossil]

As far I know it did, alternating between bipedal and quadrupedal

[urban flax]

The quadrupedal theory is outdated

[pure fossil]

The actual one it’s the short bipedal Spino unsing quadrupedal from time to time, no?

And mostly swimming

[urban flax]

The current one is the short-legged bipedal spino that did not use its arms for support, and the rest is in a complete gray zone
We don't know if it was a good swimmer or not, we don't know if it could go fast on land (even though it likely didn't)
And even the fact it has short legs isn't sure anymore

[pure fossil]

Wow, that’s a mess

[urban flax]

Also TI's spino has too long legs to be using its arms when crouching, it would need to completely bend its body over

[pure fossil]

Mmm, it’s arms are same length in proportion with the hyper Spino, and hyper Spino can walk as a quadrupedal without troubles.

But I am talking using my memory, I could be wrong

[urban flax]

Also Evrima spino already has a crouching animation
https://youtu.be/UmQ0oUWRuFI

[pure fossil]

Either way, I really think quadrupedal Spino for crouch could be awesome.

[urban flax]

Well maybe its arms could reach the ground

[pure fossil]

Aaaah nvm then

[sick pond]

real spinosaurus was physically incapable of walking on all fours

[pure fossil]

The video says enough

[urban flax]

But I really don't like the idea of quad spino either
Though I wouldn't mind knuckle-walking

[limber hull]

Hypo Spino is an entirely different thing

You can't really apply a super-strain which makes a hulking goliath as logic to the actual animal

[pure fossil]

The actual animal has not logic per se neither eh lmao

[karmic plank]

Every time I see spino I can't help but feel it's made up and not a real thing

[pure fossil]

Totally true hahaha at this rate JP3 Spino will end being 100% accurate lmao

[limber hull]

idk man, i think new one looks cooler, even if it's less accurate

[hoary dawn]

you can tell its a jp rip by the way none of its features look like jp spino other than the fact it has long-ish legs

[limber hull]

ripoff dude

totally

EVRIMA's one just looks nice to me, it's actually not ugly like the legacy one was. The old one looks smooth and textureless, I really hated it, new one actually makes me react with some form of "oh shit, that's intimidating". EVRIMA actually gives me a feeling of "apex predator".

true

but i'll be honest, i prefer movie monster to prior spino

[manic flint]

Well
To be fair
The spino in jp3 was the most realistic we could make it
We still had very few fossils

[honest sparrow]

For the time jp3 spino was actually spot on

[azure wadi]

i have never disagreed with someone more than now

[paper oriole]

old spino models sail was longer/better and its head didnt look like somebody melted a rex and stretched its head out but it did look dumb

new one is just a boring, uninspired movie monster taking overused pieces from other boring uninspired movie monster spinos

[azure wadi]

old one was a derpy not threatening fatty

its not really fat but the sail makes it look that way

[paper oriole]

New one isnt quite threatening either, its just boring

But thats only my opinion

It is like a heel of bread as a dinosaur design

Just bleh

[tiny cedar]

Didn't you even say the next updates will come faster? i don't notice anything, if update 4 only comes in august it took almost as long as update 3. everything is just gossip, you can hardly believe the devs. but the main thing is that humans come this year. I don't think so when it comes to the speed of development.

[ashen wasp]

Ossifrages would be neat flavor AI for dealing with the bones of smaller carcasses, but don’t really provide a function for the game that, say, scavenging tyrannosaurs dont. Plus what would they do with the skeletal remains of, like, anything larger than a Diablo??

[azure wadi]

whyd you say this exact message in 2 channels

[ashen wasp]

Also— I’m sorry, but there’s no way in Tartarus that a Lammergeier will present any sort of threat to a Minmi or Ankylosaurus

[azure wadi]

what if, it drops a tortoise on their heads

[chilly matrix]

oh i ment juvs of course

and main function would be to scavenge

[ashen wasp]

I think I like the idea of bones just naturally falling apart and sinking into the ground over time, since it allows the possibility of half-buried Brachi carcasses and such

[ashen elm]

@stuck bison Super late feedback, but I really like this idea! I do have one criticism though, is that I think a change like this would require incentives to stick around during the "encouraged" activity time. I feel like if you just increase the food or water timers, people will just get into the habit of logging off or switching servers to avoid the consequences. Which I feel like is the opposite of what your suggestion intends.

So instead of creating that situation, I think there needs to be a positive(s) to sticking around during day/night/dusk.

My thinking is that diet foods also need to work around these systems, so that the times when the drains are higher, is also when either nutritional food for this animal is more plentiful (plant spawn timers, AI, etc...) or the mechanics for it become stronger (ie night vision, Dilo venom, etc...) to give them a reason to want to stay active during this period. Also maybe a negative to it's "inactive" hours to balance out the decreased drains? Not sure on that one, but yea. I think both situation needs an equalizer in both situations, so it's a 'change' instead of a straight nerf or buff.

[paper oriole]

I dont wanna have to waste perk points in order for my utahraptor to actually look remotely like a utahraptor

[paper oriole]

Why do people post a pic of spino with their spino suggestion like people might not know what it is lmao

We also dont even know what rex's stats will be

[tidal frigate]

I’m goin off of legacy and the wikis stats

[paper oriole]

Legacy...

[tidal frigate]

And spinos my favorite dinosaur so I don’t want it to be bad

[paper oriole]

Dondi said in a stream once that rex will clap it

[tidal frigate]

Yeah but that’s only Rex there’s giga,deino,trike,allo,sucho,shant and carno

[paper oriole]

Spino shouldnt be going around picking fights anyway if you want a big dino for that play rex

[tidal frigate]

Rex is stupid

[paper oriole]

Spinos shouldn’t be hunting things like trike regularly either

It should have an unfavourable matchup against most other apexes since it can hippo walk its fat ass into a river to be safe

[tidal frigate]

Spino could kill giga in legacy

[paper oriole]

Allo isnt even an apex either idk why hes on that list

[paper oriole]

Legacy

Utahs could kill rexes by biting their ankles in legacy too it is irrelevant

[tidal frigate]

If spinos going to be buffed then it could kill a giga

[paper oriole]

Where did they say they were buffing it

[tidal frigate]

Because your saying legacy is irrelevant

[paper oriole]

And?

[tidal frigate]

And that means that legacy stats are irrelevant

[paper oriole]

Where did they say spino will kill gigas in evrima

[tidal frigate]

Considering the fact that they can in legacy I think they can in ervima

[paper oriole]

Legacy stats are irrelevant

[tidal frigate]

Yes so that means that spino will be buffed

[paper oriole]

How

[tidal frigate]

If legacy stats are irrelevant and carno and Utah got a buff then spino should

[paper oriole]

No it means it will be balanced to fit what ever role its supposed to play

[tidal frigate]

Yes that means it will be buffed

[paper oriole]

How

[tidal frigate]

If it’s balanced usally that means a buff

[paper oriole]

Not really

[tidal frigate]

Stego got balanced and it’s a monster

[paper oriole]

Maybe they don’t want all three pred apexes to be brawlers it wouldnt make semse for them to be

Stego is shite rn

[tidal frigate]

How? I’ve 5v1 carnos before

And killed multiple deinos

[paper oriole]

Suicidal carnos, they can bait with those numbers

[tidal frigate]

they tried but it didn’t work

[paper oriole]

A single dryo or utah can put a stego on the ropes and deino wins the exchange if it alt bites, but this is a spino conversation

[tidal frigate]

If your a stupid stego yes but if you’re smart about it a dryo can’t even lay a finger on you and for Utah’s all you do is wait for them to pounce and them buck and then catch them with your tail

[past dune]

ok ok

hear me out

[paper oriole]

Stego is hella easy to dodge

[past dune]

utah cant charge bite at mini and carno cant simply charge at a anky

[paper oriole]

As a dryo i landed so many headshots on stego

[tidal frigate]

Not with headbutt

[paper oriole]

What headbutt

[tidal frigate]

Stegos head butt

[paper oriole]

Its weak

[past dune]

isnt it stego nipping

[paper oriole]

Yeah

[tidal frigate]

Yeah but it’s still great at killing Utah’s and dryos

[past dune]

wait dryos kill stegos?

[tidal frigate]

They try to

[paper oriole]

They succeed

[past dune]

bruh why they're both herbis

[tidal frigate]

Because dryos are evil

[past dune]

herbs together stronk not amog us

[paper oriole]

Dryo is busted rn but even with its current stats it shouldnt be able to kill a stego, but it does

[past dune]

man evrima is more evil

than legacy

[tidal frigate]

No

[past dune]

the legacy dryos ik r the harmless cute ones

[tidal frigate]

No

[paper oriole]

The stego i attacked with my dryo couldnt do anything with that slow ass jab

[past dune]

yall r supposed to team tho

in my perspective

[tidal frigate]

You know there’s a thing called alt bite

[paper oriole]

Stego just does slow jabs and weak bite

[tidal frigate]

But that’s “weak bite” can kill a dryo easy

[paper oriole]

Deino alt bite has better coverage than stego tail

If the dryo is a moron sure

[tidal frigate]

The only way I can see a dryo killing a stego is if the stego is an idiot

[paper oriole]

The stego has to be notably more skilled than the dryo or utah soloing it

The dryo or utah has to be an idiot

[tidal frigate]

Also why are you attacking stegos as a dryo?

[paper oriole]

Because i can

Because they are easy to dodge

[tidal frigate]

That’s like saying I kill humans becuase I can

[paper oriole]

Not really

Its a pvp game

Is life a pvp game

[tidal frigate]

Kind of yeah

[paper oriole]

Hm i guess it can be

[tidal frigate]

But it’s a fellow herbivore why kill it when you can team up

[paper oriole]

Because it us a badly balanced herbivore

And if such incidents continue to happen it is more likely to be fixed

[tidal frigate]

Deino is busted but I can still kill it with ease

[paper oriole]

If the deino is mentally deficient sure

Which to be fair, a lot are

Many still dont even know how to alt bite

Somehow

[tidal frigate]

No I’ve killed so many deinos and some are pretty good at the game they alt bite yet I still kill them

[paper oriole]

They dont just go back into their safespace river

If they were good they wouldnt be 1v1ed

[tidal frigate]

No becuase they think they can fight me

[paper oriole]

Yeah they are morons if they dont retreat when they are losing

Stego doesnt have the sale luxury

[tidal frigate]

But they don’t know that they are losing until it’s to late

[paper oriole]

Then again, they are morons

[tidal frigate]

Do you look at your health in the middle of a fight?

[paper oriole]

Yes it takes a fraction of a second

[tidal frigate]

But that fraction is very precious when it comes to fighting

[paper oriole]

If youre getting spam bitten sure, but if you are being spam bitten you can alt bite them

They arent on your ass 100% of the fight

[barren zephyr]

Legacy

[swift dew]

the only time I have ever lost a fight as a deino was when there was enough carnos to face tank me to death

if your 1v1ing deinos then those deinos are absolutly terrible

[barren zephyr]

Usually there’s massive mega packs so that can happen a bit more than it actually should happen

Carnos are almost never in a small group

[meager tiger]

Are diets just gonna be a forced easter egg hunt or else your screwed. I have a rough time finding food at is it in deadzones or as a carnivore. I don't want to stick by the river the whole game in a clusterfuck of everyone going on easter egg hunts while killing each other

[swift dew]

you wont be forced to follow your diet, but extremely encouraged. it isnt going to kill you if you don't follow your diet, at least now directly

[meager tiger]

Well if the groups of people can control paths or areas where the diet stuff is and they get like 20% more damage or whatever buff, and I'm struggling to find diet stuff, i'm not only penlized by the group whose already stronger, but im also penzlized because my guys gonna be weaker. Diets to mee sound like they buff the already well off dino and screw even more the lone or weak to make them even weaker

and since the "playable" map is small because theres no food or water beyond like mile away from the river, theres huge deadzones. So we are all clusterred next to the river system and the mega packs are just gonna be even stronger

and go on a killing spree

[limber hull]

They're adding small animal AI to feed the poor fools

[meager tiger]

oh thank god

[steep warren]

@loud hamlet I love this idea but to make it ez on the devs when a Dino Doesn’t want another Dino on its back it will buck (just like when Utah pounces) same idea but this would be ez cuse it’s already implanted in the game.

[limber hull]

But yes, if you wanted, you could technically lock down areas to protect your dietary items from competition, but I cannot see any dino in the game that is really that good at playing territorial besides the herbis tbh

[meager tiger]

I just feel envirma is not casual/noob friendly at all. Legacy wasnt either but you didn't really have to worry about starving or dehyrdating to death if you had some idea on how to search. But envirma with the huge deadzones, bushes and thick tree galore, barely any A.I, one water system. It feels like im constanly under pressure and can't chillax for like 10 minutes (unless your playing croc, go camp in the fish tank EZ)

[limber hull]

Yea, EVRIMA is rough, I kinda like it in a way. I played legacy a bit recently, AI feels like it hands itself to you on a silver platter

I really think they need to either introduce more fishers or reduce the fish and reduce the shallow areas. Let deinos survive on more than just fish, I'd rather them eat a dino ffs. It sucks that they lose their power to poor map design

[molten tulip]

Imo if you manage to get to 100% hunger your hunger drain should be paused for a bit

Not only is it an achievement to do so but it would also make it to where you're not just camping a corpse because the minute you walk away you're already going hungry again

It also makes sense that you'd be fine for a while and you'd also have time to move/explore the map

[keen vapor]

@urban flax that mechanic would pretty much remove all skill when it comes to controlling your momentum

[urban flax]

Well I guess so
Didn't really think about that, but I felt it was quite annoying to have to guess how far you can turn without completely stopping

[keen vapor]

eh, you will learn it eventually. Skidding is pretty punishing in combat so having the skill to avoid it is a big advantage.

[karmic plank]

I really like your idea around corpse smell overpowering scent trails @stuck bison, that seems like a neat, non-intrusive way to both encourage killing to eat and also help scavengers survive

[stuck bison]

I thought so honestly lol.

[karmic plank]

I love mechanics that just subtly push the meta instead of brute forcing it

[next fjord]

They should add wolfs it would be so cool and realistic

[karmic plank]

Maybe the scent cloud system could be used to make it a bit more obvious what's going on - when you sniff you get like a red fog all around the area

[stuck bison]

It's the best I could think up that wouldn't be overly exploitable either cause it would apply to everyone. and it's not like a perm proximity thing or anything either.

Yeah that would be nice as well

[karmic plank]

Wolves occupy a similar niche to the small raptors, maybe as AI? It's a Dino game though, lots of games out there with wolves

[stuck bison]

some people didn't like the idea though. thinking it'd be used to better hunt some how when to me if someone is allowing you to use it to hide to hunt better but if people are using it to flee then like how? I dunno.

I don't know how wolves would work on the island honestly. And when people modded in the dire wolf as a playable when modding was in, well Dondi was so sickened by it from my understanding.

[karmic plank]

I think the people who don't like it maybe are the ones who enjoy going on mass killing sprees, or they are worried about dieno body stashes messing up scent... Current pond would be swamped by corpse smell 24/7 just about

[next fjord]

Ye true

[stuck bison]

Honestly it shouldn't mess up scent at all. The way I envision it is that it gives you the over power scent and act like wallow does for people but for a shorter time. It'd only work for 5-10 seconds and then be done and over with until someone else dies

[next fjord]

I thought it was game for back then when dinos existed,not for just dinos

[karmic plank]

Scavengers need something to help them eat corpses without getting jumped every time, carnos especially seem to like to corpse bait

[stuck bison]

No. It's basically a Jurassic Park type game. These are genetically created dino's by a company.

[karmic plank]

It's set in about 2002, think just after the events of Jurassic Park

[next fjord]

Oh okay

[stuck bison]

yeah. Mercs and Tribals are planned. Read the store page if you want to know what the game is about.

[karmic plank]

I'm pretty bad at reading lore, I can't criticise that haha

[stuck bison]

I feel scavangers will need a quicker grab then what we have. Be able to snatch a bite on the run to manage well.

[next fjord]

Oh ye

I cant be a human or a tribal

[stuck bison]

they aren't in yet

[next fjord]

Why is that?

Oh

[karmic plank]

It's confused a few people, don't worry

Hmm, maybe effectively being wallowed after walking near a corpse would be a little OP and abusable, now I think about it

I almost feel like eating from corpses should make you easier to smell, not harder

[stuck bison]

that's why I put in it would only last 5-10 seconds instead of the time you get when you wallow

[celest basin]

@sleek idol isnt that z walk

[karmic plank]

Yeah, slow walk. They all look a bit janky, except maybe ptera

[celest basin]

but its just the z walk

[karmic plank]

Yah, not exactly a big deal. If they rework the scent system how I'd like it will become more relevant

[sleek idol]

Please don't ping me :D

Yeah, even though it's supposed to be the z walk, it should still look good

[celest basin]

ok

[sleek idol]

replies are also pinging 😩

[karmic plank]

You can also customise notifications for servers and channels if you don't like pings Pyro, some people like to poke fun using them so it might be handy

[sleek idol]

I'm always told that

I have it all off but disc still pings me

Thanks though

[karmic plank]

Hmm, do you have this setting on Nothing for the server?

[sleek idol]

yea

this isnt the place for this convo tho :D

[karmic plank]

True enough

[crisp stream]

@celest basin that would scare the shit outta most people at night, cool idea!

[karmic plank]

Agreed, would scare the 💩 out of a ptera going for an investigate, too

[crisp stream]

troodons don't spook the bats

[next fjord]

Dilophosaurus

add this dinosaur

[limber hull]

@crisp stream It's a cool idea, but the stamdrain for the simple act of standing up is just silly. You even said yourself that the animation for listening leaves you motionless and further exposes you by making you stand up fully, you could easily give it other penalties. As for using 5-0, why not simply have a system to go through memorised dinos and mimic their calls when pressing 1-4, which is a far more recognised control scheme?

[crisp stream]

It's so players don't abuse being able to pinpoint where sounds are coming from, and they don't need to have every sound in the game memorized.

I said that in the document I think

[limber hull]

I mean... You don't have to make it so they can pinpoint sound locations. I personally think stam should only be drained for actions that would actually tire out a dino. Standing up and using your ears does not seem exhausting enough to warrant a heavy stam drain

[crisp stream]

I don't mean standing up like un-bending there knees, i mean like stretching out their whole body to where it's straining

[limber hull]

I've been looking at the concept art and the way they stand up seems natural and really doesn't seem to a point of exhaustion, and if they were doing that, why on earth would they? That seems horribly inefficient.

[karmic plank]

@crisp stream I don't think it should cost Stam, but I love the idea of locking on to a call then binding it to a slot. The slot could be displayed down the bottom of the HUD, and slowly fade out or have some sort of bar or effect to show how well you can remember it

Repeatedly listing and rebinding could then strengthen the memory, making it more accurate and last longer

Almost becomes like an RPG mechanic, collecting calls for your inventory

I'd imagine the animation would be a bit like the Hypsi sniff, or maybe the way ptera push themselves up high

[crisp stream]

like i said before, it's so that people won't abuse it. and in the concept art it's just standing up to call not straining out its whole body

[karmic plank]

They could turn their head to the side like dogs do when trying to work out something

[karmic plank]

Eh, if people are spamming the calls then let troodon take advantage of it imo

[limber hull]

Again, if it costs me stam to memorise calls, I'm gonna dislike the feature a lot more

It seems shitty to ruin my ability to escape from anything who might see me just so I can make a utah call

[crisp stream]

true, but they can quickly stand up to see where it is for that.

[karmic plank]

Yeah, the ability is so situational to begin with, no need to make it more expensive. It's like costing Stam to sniff

[crisp stream]

i mean arguing with me won't change anything, if the stam thing is that big of a deal to the devs then they will make it take no stam, but if people abuse it then they will nerf it, it was just a suggestion to balance it.

[karmic plank]

Not looking to change your mind, just discussing it as per channel intent

[limber hull]

alternative, make it that troodon hears a call and before it memorises, it recreates the call itself as a sort of "test" on how it's done. The call is strange and slightly off-key. This makes the penalty sound, not stam, and feels WAY more natural.

[karmic plank]

Also trying to understand where the view of it being strong enough to warrant a Stam cost is coming from

[karmic plank]

I like this, they have to practice it to get it right, maybe hear it a few times

[limber hull]

its not like a troodon automatically knows how the call is done

[crisp stream]

it's less about hearing it multiple times and more about how well they hear it

[limber hull]

it would need to figure out the right notes to hit and whatnot

[karmic plank]

Lyrebirds work like that, they practice and listen and practice some more

It's a great idea @crisp stream don't take this discussion personally, if anything it's a complement that you can get people engaged over it

[crisp stream]

I know, I'm just saying the standing up thing works because a small thing on the ground isn't gonna have much hearing range but if it uses it's long legs and neck it can get a lot more height

and stam drain would be a really good consequence for abuse

seeing how you don't like it

[karmic plank]

I don't think I ever said I disliked it, just that I didn't understand how the ability was strong enough to warrant the cost

How do you see it being abused?

[crisp stream]

If something calls, instead of using actual hearing to pinpoint where it came from, they could just hold the button and hear where every single call is coming from. if it used stamina people will mainly only use it for it's intended use

[karmic plank]

Ah, I see. For people like me that have really good sound, that's not really useful - we can tell exactly where stuff is coming from anyway

So it almost seems like it would even the playing field between people with good sound and those without, rather than five ten an advantage

[crisp stream]

yeah but it's only for troodon

the whole purpose is to use it for memorizing calls

[karmic plank]

Some people have suggested that every Dino should get that, as an accessibility aid

[crisp stream]

cool

[limber hull]

that makes little sense, creatures who are small can still have incredible hearing

[crisp stream]

it's low to the ground

[limber hull]

so are other creatures with good hearing

[karmic plank]

Cat has entered the chat

[limber hull]

dogs

[crisp stream]

troodon doesn't have large ears

[karmic plank]

I think troodon is a bit weak anyway, and is probably going to be a good first carnivore for noobs, I don't mind it having a few helping aids

[crisp stream]

it's not a hearing aid it's a system to memorize calls

[limber hull]

I believe troodon has enough weaknesses. It's completely dead to anything larger that can land a significant hit (carnos, utahs, tenos, stegos, deinos, pachys) could all probably one shot it

[crisp stream]

nice

[limber hull]

Literally a 3 foot tall, very small animal.