general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

Time to uninstall the isle my immersion is ruined

[foggy imp]

For real tho its an animal, it shits, I want that

[hasty dagger]

[silver zephyr]

animals also mate, do you want mating anims?

[quiet estuary]

Let us get pregnancy morphs as well

[tidal fjord]

Yes, it adds to the immersion and adds new features to the existing mechanics.

[silver zephyr]

your shitting me right?

[hasty dagger]

I-

[paper oriole]

[foggy imp]

You gotta admit the smelliverse is real lacking right now tho. I want longer lasting scent markers

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[silver zephyr]

body odor moment

[quiet estuary]

and that is achieveable via other things

[paper oriole]

Scent marking can be done other ways

[foggy imp]

I want all the things

[hot inlet]

mating anims are a bit over top but maybe a "dance" or so still yould be funny

otherwise nesting would also just be an useless mechanic who needs to get nestet if you can spawn as the same critter

[silver zephyr]

granted body odor isnt confirmed but punch was literally talking about it day of

[quiet estuary]

such as body odor, the blood stains on animals actually having scent, etc

[hoary dawn]

longer lasting scent markers can be achieved via less disgusting mechanics

[hasty dagger]

They’re talking about adding body odor accumulating over time, blood trails can rub off on plants… we don’t need shit.

[tidal fjord]

No, it's not a mature game... especially when there's people who can't get over the fact that living things poop.

[foggy imp]

Imagine the playerbase's horror if they ever went to a farm smh

[hot inlet]

best thing would be scratching trees or rubing agaisnt rocks etc

[tidal fjord]

Lmao

[hoary dawn]

^^^^^

[silver zephyr]

happens irl = thing cant be certain thing, guys animals shit irl therefor nobody can view it as digusting because it happens

[honest sparrow]

Different smells based on animals doing different things

[foggy imp]

All these alternate suggestions are conditional (blood) or voluntary (body odour). You havent actually done much with them to make the world smellier. Involutary scent markers motivate roaming and fill the smelliverse.

[hasty dagger]

We already have things to motivate movement

[hoary dawn]

there is already enough motivation for roaming

[honest sparrow]

Honestly I wouldn’t be opposed to just upping the time a footprint can be seen

[tidal fjord]

But poop is yuck so don't add it to my extremely wholesome game.

[foggy imp]

Now lets go tear meat chunks off a corpse

[tidal fjord]

XD

[hoary dawn]

they are the same thing

yep

mhm

[foggy imp]

Hard disagree that there is enough motivation to move

[honest sparrow]

Diets and an actually complete gameplay loop that is fun seems like enough motivation to me tbh

[foggy imp]

Nutrition will be slow, totally expect people will eat a bush, lick a salt rock then go back to their bush for an hour

[hoary dawn]

do you not know what the diet system is good sir?

[hot inlet]

nope this will be way more complex

and you will not find all you need for this needs side by side

[honest sparrow]

Herbis will be encouraged to move to access food that works for them, and carnis will follow

[hot inlet]

i can completly see that you have go near the ocean for a saltrock or in the mountains/caves

[hoary dawn]

afking will be completely unviable if you want to be able to play effectively

[foggy imp]

If its punishing enough to require constant cross-map roaming I will eat my words for sure

[hoary dawn]

that is the point of the mechanic

[hasty dagger]

Guys being weaker and growing for much longer than normal is obviously not enough punishment, we should smell because poopy

[honest sparrow]

I’m more for an encouraged active experience that is fun rather than “oh ai sat down time to unload my fucking pants”

[haughty forge]

All of that is, since it is not out yet, pure speculation, the eternal fight between realism and balance, what people would like to see ingame or not. It is good to discuss of it but it still is just a game at the end of the day.

[hoary dawn]

imagine you're hiding from a carnivore and expertly sneaking away from it but then you randomly take a shit and it finds you, such immersion

[foggy imp]

I want more to my smelliverse than "oh river and a bush 1k away"

[barren zephyr]

“I took a shit, guess I’m dead”

[silver zephyr]

so besides river and bush poop is literally the only thing on the planet that can achieve such thing?

[hasty dagger]

“OMG!!1!1!1 A POOP!!1!1! SO COOL!!1!1!1”

[hoary dawn]

you want "oh river and bush 1k away, oh look a pile of poop"

[foggy imp]

I mean its a concept that fits so why not use it?

[hot inlet]

lets wallow in it XDDD urgh ,,, DISGUSTANG

XD

[hoary dawn]

cuz so many other things fit the concept

[foggy imp]

Except for eeeewww gross poopy

[silver zephyr]

poop voluntary or unvoluntary is gonna be horrible, you either have players pooping in tense scenarios completely ruining the mood or players can actively shit on stuff like food and nests

[tidal fjord]

Because we need to shield these guys from such a horror apparently.

[foggy imp]

Pooping in tense situations is quite literally a body reflex you have

[silver zephyr]

irl

[hoary dawn]

yes but have you heard of game balancing?

[foggy imp]

This isnt a moba bruv

[hoary dawn]

having a random chance to get completely outed in a stealth scenario is a no no

[tidal fjord]

What you guys don't seem to understand is, your not gonna smell the poo in real life... so your gonna be looking at a small lump of brown shit.

What u can do at that point is look away

[hoary dawn]

this also isn't a hyper realistic tracking game

[foggy imp]

While we're at it, more stego farts

[haughty forge]

Well if I remember correctly, I don't get why it could come in the isle since live stream they said it was not a good mecanic to put in place knowing the level of toxicity to some players. If... they do come with it well that means they will come back of what they said. Possible. Don't like the idea but meh.

[foggy imp]

I want my battle cows to sound like real cows

[hoary dawn]

i cant tell if you're joking rn

[foggy imp]

Hunting/avoiding hunters is literally the gameplay loop tho, theres plenty of hunting games out there to borrow ideas from

Almost all of them use poop

[tidal fjord]

Rotten gore looks worse than shit and probably smells worse too. But that's fine.

[hoary dawn]

cuz that's part of the horror element, as well discourages camping a body forever

[tidal fjord]

There's no need for it to go rotten though... that's disgusting... u could just make it disappear after a certain time. Ewww

[foggy imp]

So many other ways to discourage that without eeewww gross corpses

[hoary dawn]

list a few

[foggy imp]

Taking the piss mate

[tidal fjord]

Lmao

[hoary dawn]

so you dont have any other ways

[foggy imp]

Must be lots of yanks in here that get grossed out by the word toilet

[tidal fjord]

I just named one

Make it disappear after a certain amount of time... u can't camp what's not there

[hoary dawn]

a body disappearing is completely anti-immersion, far more so than an animal not pooping

[silver zephyr]

but some dinos can eat the rotten meat, gives them an advantage and something unique

[foggy imp]

Some animals could eat shit?

[silver zephyr]

[tidal fjord]

You do realise the gore will eventually disappear

So it's either the gore or the body

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

You guys still arguing about pixelated shit?

[foggy imp]

I mean dung beetles dont be gross guys

[silver zephyr]

yes

[tidal fjord]

XD

[hoary dawn]

ideally with the new gore system the corpse steadily decays until its gone, not just popping out of existence, also ai compies will contribute to this

[barren zephyr]

Awesome

Amazing topic

[tidal fjord]

What about a cerato, they could camp the corpse

They eat the yucky gore

[hoary dawn]

they could only camp it for so long, seeing as though a rotten corpse is already mostly decayed and would still have finite food value

[tidal fjord]

You could just make it inedible after a certain amount... or you could just have a few flies near the corpse. There's no need for it to turn all green and yucky.

[hoary dawn]

what

[foggy imp]

[paper oriole]

Hey theres no need for rotten meat to look rotten, but we should add shit!

[tidal fjord]

That's another idea... u could make the food inedible after a certain amount of time to prevent corpse guarding

[silver zephyr]

might as well make the food go away if it's inedible to anything

[tidal fjord]

You do realise I'm using your own logic against u... I'm completely fine with gore and poop.

[hoary dawn]

or you could go with the far better idea of making it decay

[foggy imp]

A joke is like a frog...

[tidal fjord]

Lmao

[hoary dawn]

you are not, you are using a completely unrelated and logical mechanic to try to justify the existence of a completely unnecessary mechanic

[paper oriole]

If a corpse is inedible to everything it may as well not be there. Stripped bones are useful still to some animals, and many animals eat the most putrid trash rotten meat. What's wrong with corpse guarding if you can still gain from the body

[foggy imp]

Lets get back to the real discussion here, stego farts

[paper oriole]

No!!!!!!!1!!!!!

[foggy imp]

Lemme hear that big boy rip

[paper oriole]

[tidal fjord]

Lmao

[cyan flame]

Maybe they should just add it in as a mechanic but not have it activated on official servers, so it could be a thing on unofficials via server settings or mods. There, everyone can be happy :p

[foggy imp]

All grass and fruit diet and no farts? Immersion broken

[hoary dawn]

poop can be modded in just like global

[paper oriole]

Imagine the servers in the future with “no poop” in their titles like the freegrow and “high ai” lmao

[foggy imp]

Maybe just a PG13+ setting

[tidal fjord]

They should at least trial it on official too imo (that's if they already had the plan to add it).

[cyan flame]

Would rather be for realism servers then, since it would be off on officials :p

[hoary dawn]

i can imagine realism servers having aggression rules relating to poop

do not attack if your opponent has pooped in the last 5 minutes

[foggy imp]

Its certainly gonna feel aggressive when I drop a big stego fart in the general direction of a carno

[tidal fjord]

The Carno would probably shit himself.

[foggy imp]

That would depend on the current state of the scat meta

[cyan flame]

Well true, mechanics needs to be tested, but they could test it with just "invisible" scent hovering in the air for officials. They could just do that as well, nothing visual at all, just a little scent cloud, but then someone is bound to think of those as farts ^^ But as someone mentioned, sort of rubbing off on the surroundings I guess, and leave a scent marker that way. As long as we get a good mechanic out of it, all is well

[hoary dawn]

see that's what we're saying

we're fine with more tracking features and longer lasting scent markers, we just don't enjoy scat

[tidal fjord]

Well if they're OK with seeing gore... then poop is OK too... they need to be consistent here.

I mean rotten gore

[hoary dawn]

they are not the same thing

[tidal fjord]

Pretty much are

[hoary dawn]

not at all

[foggy imp]

Gore is conceptually way grosser than poop bro

[tidal fjord]

Do you see anyone using rotten gore as fertiliser??? Didn't think so.

[hoary dawn]

gore is also conceptually better for a survival horror game

[cyan flame]

Come up with a substitute and it's all good for me. Personally I'd like a difference between short term footprints, long term "scent marker" with more detailed info/"status", and territorial markings. However you want to make it look in game is less relevant, as long as it makes some sort of sense :p

[foggy imp]

You could have it so sitting down creates an expanding scentable source. Or you could use poop. Poop just makes more sense to me intuitively, you dont really have to read a wiki to understand people can smell that.

[silver zephyr]

your first sentence could easily be body odor, its not even that far off either considering smelling dinos (group smell) is already a thing in some capacity

[hoary dawn]

^

[tidal fjord]

If you sit in your own shit for long enough, ull get some nasty stuff (disease)... a great way to discourage afk growing too.

[foggy imp]

My point is body odor is somewhat abstract concept, poop is clear gameplay communication

[hoary dawn]

again, there is already enough discouragement for afk growing

[silver zephyr]

how is body odor smell abstract

[foggy imp]

I'd rather something in game than yet another stat for the info screen

[hoary dawn]

bo doesn't have to be a stat

[tidal fjord]

Also poop is something you can see before using ur scent... would make tracking easier.

[silver zephyr]

current group scent doesnt have a stat in the info screen so why would bo

[foggy imp]

Cant think of a good way to communicate "body odour levels" with the smell system other than a meter

[feral solstice]

All you have to do is implement a system that when sitting, causes your body odor to get stronger each minute after 10 minutes of just not sitting.

[cyan flame]

I wouldn't count group scent as a good example, isn't that meant to punish overpacking/herding, rather than a mechanic for tracking and so in general?

[foggy imp]

Poop is "oh I pooped, I immediately understand I must move"

[silver zephyr]

the punishment is that they are more trackable and noticeable

[feral solstice]

I mean, poop is an okay mechanic, and I don’t really mind it being added, but there’s obviously better examples of punishing mechanics.

[foggy imp]

Its mechanical information is communicated inherently rather than abstractly

[silver zephyr]

you could just hold Q and see

[foggy imp]

Which...would be an abstraction but ok sure

[cyan flame]

I know, but I meant it's a mechanic to punish breaking a limit, not a mechanic for tracking in general, which whatever "leavings" you'd prefer would be. Since that would apply solo or in small or big groups and so on.

[silver zephyr]

oh wait, I wasnt saying they had the same purpose, just that the implementation of dinos giving off their own odor is already a thing, just in the form of group limits

[cyan flame]

Ah, okay. True, if you could work with that to cause your dino to every so often leave a scent marker, that gives off info if interacted with, it'd work just fine for me

Might be a bit strange with a scent cloud just lying on the ground but why not :p

[tidal fjord]

So I didn't get a response to my last point... poop is visually easier to see than tracks when not using ur sniffer... so that's a cool way to be alerted to dinos in ur area if ur not actively sniffing.

[foggy imp]

Creating in-world effects > random scent-only patches.

[cyan flame]

Even so, if people are so against the idea, it could just be a dense cloud to sniff

[foggy imp]

But yes, would generally love to go "oh hey, a stego walked through here 20 minutes ago", world would feel much more busy

[hoary dawn]

footprints are an in-world effect

[cyan flame]

Yes but footprints should not give out diet/status/stuff like that. They also shouldn't be long lasting, since that can easily build up, unlike an automatic reaction every 30 min or something

[hoary dawn]

yes

[tidal fjord]

Can u reliably see them (even if ur not looking for it). When not using scent.

[hoary dawn]

if you have eyes

[silver zephyr]

why does not needing scent matter tho, holding Q is super quick and doesnt necessarily make you vulnerable

[tidal fjord]

Lmao... u must be an expert tracker because people struggle to track with scent assisting them... either that or ur full of poop.

[hoary dawn]

normally its pretty clear to see footprints when you come across them

if you're paying attention to your surroundings

[tidal fjord]

No it's not. But then I don't think we can agree on anything at this point... OK I'm done for now.

[hoary dawn]

cool

cya

[tidal fjord]

Bye

[foggy imp]

[hoary dawn]

and i mean even if the prints are visually obscured somehow most players will be sniffing often so you're bound to find them if you pass any

[balmy gust]

Lol I didn't know the playerbase were such pussies when it comes to feces. Gore and rotten flesh is fine, but the most natural thing to do is gross 😂

[hoary dawn]

gore, while gross, contributes to the game's tone and is a reasonable inclusion to one of the core elements of the game, being that half of the playables are carnivores
feces however, contributes nothing to the game in any way that couldn't be done by another method

[frigid storm]

body odor doesn't leave droppings where you've been.

[frigid storm]

exactly

[frigid storm]

waste*, can we stop focusing on "piss and shit", because I don't honestly think the game is going to present it like that

[honest sparrow]

They are

[hoary dawn]

that is what the devs have referred to it as

[honest sparrow]

Filipe literally said poop and piss

[frigid storm]

that's felipe. he seems to be a little more careless with the way he words things which is not to say anything about his character

[honest sparrow]

What

[frigid storm]

punch made it clear otherwise.

[honest sparrow]

No matter what you call it

It’s still shit and piss

Even if you call it waste it’s shit and piss

[hoary dawn]

fecal matter and urinary liquid

[frigid storm]

yes, actually, what you 'call' it matters. calling it 'shit and piss' vs something simple like 'waste' breeds certain connotations about the usefulness of it

just waste is fine honestly

[honest sparrow]

It is the same thing

It just changes how I say the sentence

[paper oriole]

it isnt really useful since we can ge tthe same stuff via foot prints

[frigid storm]

no you can't tho, you just want to pretend you can

it's mechanic for mechanic not the same

footprints is active tracking, waste is more like passive tracking

[honest sparrow]

All tracking should be active

It should require to track down your prey and be able to find them based on your own skill

[frigid storm]

footprints don't necessarily tell you how large an animal is, but waste would

[honest sparrow]

Yes they do….

A footprint

Tells size

[paper oriole]

size is literally the biggest thing footprints indicate lol

[honest sparrow]

It is clearly telegraphed in game

[frigid storm]

not accurately

[honest sparrow]

Idk man

[frigid storm]

you can only get a feel for the size of their feet

not the size of the animal itself

[paper oriole]

you can usually tell species by footprint too and guess age

[honest sparrow]

^

[frigid storm]

im pretty sure all footprints are the same

[hoary dawn]

from the footprint you could easily tell what kind of animal it is

[paper oriole]

did they remove the 2 toes utah print

[silver zephyr]

if they are then make them not the same

[honest sparrow]

All of them have different footprints

[barren zephyr]

Ah yes, the shit and piss argument again

Amazing topic

[honest sparrow]

Not to my knowledge no

[silver zephyr]

I just stepped in the mud as ptera and my footprint matched my foot, so safe to say the footprints are representative of what made them

[honest sparrow]

Even with things like 3 toed biped the length between footprints is usually a good indicator

[paper oriole]

they can easily just touch up on tracks to better represent the weight, shape and gait of the animal who left it

instead of adding another mechanic alltogether

[hoary dawn]

i can see it getting a little harder to tell species from footprint down the line when we have a bunch of dinos with similar footprints, but even then you'd be able to tell the basics about what kind of animal you're dealing with

[frigid storm]

moving on because I still think that waste functions differently for telling you what the dino is their behavior, not to mention that waste doesn't disappear like footprints do, so that point is really invalid. I think waste could also prevent stagnating in one area for too long as it's simply unhygienic

[honest sparrow]

Like hypsis leave incredibly small and close footprints, Dryo’s are similar but larger and more spaced out, and carno has long strides between its big footprints

[paper oriole]

odor alone can punish afk

[honest sparrow]

Waste does eventually disappear tho

[barren zephyr]

I actually like the odor thing

[honest sparrow]

Odor and diets are fine for punishing afk

[silver zephyr]

imagine waste never disappears and the map is coated in turds

[frigid storm]

has nothing to do with AFK, as per my statement

[paper oriole]

yeah the odor can actually function as something useful

staying in one spot for a long time does in fact relate to afk but go on

[frigid storm]

and odor functions literally the same as a footprint with one difference, being if you stay in place for too long. it's literally a stagnant footprint

[paper oriole]

because thats what afk is, you dont have to afk to be doing it but it is what afk is

[frigid storm]

because it disappears etc.

[frigid storm]

no, herds/packs may stay in one area due to the richness of the land/food sources.

that's what i mean

[paper oriole]

pretty sure a herd will drain resources from an area before it becomes an issue anyway, but if they are still staying in the same spot for a long time sure, it also relates to afkers

[silver zephyr]

pretty sure punch said that the odor will follow you, as he said it occurs if you dont bathe often enough

[frigid storm]

with how many food sources are to be added I don't think they'll drain resources as fast as legacy

[honest sparrow]

Bathing could be neat

[paper oriole]

if you need to be picky with your resources due to diets they may

[frigid storm]

but then a herd is mixed and varied, anyway. so not everyone is eating the same resource.

[paper oriole]

i hope they add dust bathing too because a feathered animal wallowing all the time looks kind of stupid

not all herds are various species

just a lot of them tend to be

[frigid storm]

dust bathing... because feathered animals can't fly when wet?

that's functionally a dumb argument, all due respect. most herds are inherently going to be mixed and varied

[paper oriole]

nah because muddying your feathers is just a bad idea lol

[frigid storm]

i agree but we can't punish animals for having feathers

[paper oriole]

idk even now there are tenonto only herds ive seen

[frigid storm]

that's like saying you can't stop your bleed and you can't stealth because bird

[paper oriole]

it isnt punishing animals for having feathers...? it's literally giving them another option

[frigid storm]

there's only two genuinely viable herbivores in the game....

[frigid storm]

i thought you meant dust bath to "bathe"\

[barren zephyr]

Teno and dryo

[frigid storm]

Lol

dryo is close

[paper oriole]

yeah hypsi and stego are boring as shit lol

[frigid storm]

i don't mean how fun it is to play

i'm talking viability

[barren zephyr]

Actually dryo is extremely good, although it’s boring

[frigid storm]

stego is boring as ass to play, no doubt

[paper oriole]

stego is boring because its unviable in its setting

[frigid storm]

??? stego slaps everything in the game

[paper oriole]

grow for 5 hours, get demolished by one utah thats fast enough to juke your only attack

the bite is too useless to be considered

[frigid storm]

this is so unlikely to happen, compound on latency issues and you've got a non-existent phenomenon outside of extremely bad players.

the bite should be useless

tiny ass lil head

[paper oriole]

ive seen it happen multiple times when i was playing ptera because i aint spending hours growing just to die to 50 utahs as anything lol

[frigid storm]

tail does so much damage anyway that the bite can finish you off if you're not playing distance

[paper oriole]

but one utah can easily juke out and kill a stego or force it to stick its face in a wall

how does the tail do too much damage? it's an easy to dodge attack

[frigid storm]

i'll give you that Utahs are much more viable against stego than something like a carno, due to hitboxes

but literally all you have to do is be patient as a stego.

[paper oriole]

carno shouldnt even be hunting stego to begin with though

[frigid storm]

i've said this before; but since you have such a health difference you can afford to be patient

[frigid storm]

if you've played as a carno you'll know that hunting small game isn't always enough

i think maybe teno is the only true fair food source for carnos

[paper oriole]

its honestly not that bad with there being utahs everywhere, and more small game is coming

[frigid storm]

utahs don't really feed you that well

not gonna lie

carno has really fast hunger drain

[paper oriole]

in the future tenonto shouldnt be a regular source for carnos. galli, pachy, utah, dryo, mono and other similar sized animals should

[honest sparrow]

^

[frigid storm]

i think teno should still be a food source, they're pretty even competitors

both have a stun, similar health and dps output

[honest sparrow]

I do like carnos hunger drain tho

[frigid storm]

yeah same it promotes active gameplay

[paper oriole]

it should have a decently fast hunger drain but fill up on small amounts of food, imo at least

[frigid storm]

so small food capacity?

[paper oriole]

to promote more small game hunts

basically

[frigid storm]

idk it feels like it might screw carno over

it doesn't feel like it has a massive food capacity as is

[paper oriole]

when there is more niche diversity in both playables and ai maybe not

it should be encouraged to go after those since it will be filling enough

[tight lantern]

The amount of people concerned about shit in the game is pretty concerning

[honest sparrow]

Gore and shit are exactly the same thing yep

[tight lantern]

You rip enough intestines, you're going to see some shit.

[honest sparrow]

Gore at least makes sense with what the game is going for

[tight lantern]

I do agree, but the amount of freaking out about it is premature and strange to me. It was merely brought up as an easily achievable thing with the engine mechanics.

[honest sparrow]

Shit is fucking gross dude, idk what to tell you, people don’t like shit

[hoary dawn]

we live in a society where if you like gore in a dinosaur horror game, you must also like literal poop

[hoary dawn]

also the "freaking out" has just been people asking for a mechanic to not be added most of the time with explanations as to why as well as counter suggestions for mechanics that accomplish the same purposes

[tight lantern]

Precisely. If you like dinosaurs and gore, I think we can all handle a periodic poop. It's just strange to me the amount of individuals SO sensitive to this here and it's a mere early concept.

[hoary dawn]

idk why you think someone being fine with gore in the context of the game means they want to see dinosaurs pooping

[honest sparrow]

I can handle a shit, I just don’t want to be forced to see a shit every few minutes, preferably

Also different people stomach different things in different ways

[hoary dawn]

im just gonna copy paste what i said earlier
gore, while gross, contributes to the game's tone and is a reasonable inclusion to one of the core elements of the game, being that half of the playables are carnivores
feces however, contributes nothing to the game in any way that couldn't be done by another method

[honest sparrow]

It just so happens a lot more of us can handle gore rather than giant piles of shit everywhere

[hoary dawn]

like, when you're playing a horror game, how often is it that you see poop compared to gore?

[tight lantern]

Anyway, fractures will be nice with the Pachy. Hoping for some balance with diets and fractures being implemented.

[honest sparrow]

Yeah update 4 is cool

[hoary dawn]

indeed

[barren zephyr]

I just want pachy to not die instantly like in legacy

[silver zephyr]

yes

[barren zephyr]

One utah bite and you would just bleed out

[kindred flare]

i think pachy is going to be a small brawler in evrima

[barren zephyr]

Why is there still talk concerning piss and shit

And we're deliberately calling it piss and shit. Ironically enough, reptiles don't piss because they get rid of urea in their feces.

[honest sparrow]

the war won't end

[barren zephyr]

But putting that aside, why the toilet talk. And secondly it's about as bad as fucking gore.

Perhaps a bit worse, but yet again this game isn't for children.

[honest sparrow]

gore actually serves a point in game tho

[barren zephyr]

Well they're also trying to implement waste somehow.

Also the whole "roleplayer issue" is a thing we can't do anything about. All dinosaur games have roleplayers, and nobody has designed a game exclusively for these roleplayers. So we just have to put up with it.

[honest sparrow]

idk man, they mentioned piss separately for some reason, so that's what we're going off

[balmy gust]

Well, it's also not fun to be slaughtered by carnos over and over. Not the point

[paper oriole]

i mean thats a direct part of gameplay though, it's a pvp game

thats what the game is all about, dying

[honest sparrow]

You’re gonna get killed, and given the current gamestate, it’s probably gonna be carno

[frigid storm]

gore doesn't serve any mechanical purpose, it's purely aesthetic

[paper oriole]

the game would actually feel off without gore

[honest sparrow]

It’s an integral to the game’s aesthetic as its intended as survival horror

[frigid storm]

that's what aesthetics are for...

[paper oriole]

but the game doesnt feel off without shit

so

[frigid storm]

it kinda does idk

[paper oriole]

i mean if youre into that

[frigid storm]

animals genuinely use waste to mark territory, it's something literally every animal does

besides the consistency argument of course

[honest sparrow]

Idk man before this wave of stuff, I never felt as if it was off personally

[paper oriole]

do birds shit to mark their territory, i honestly dont know

all i know is mammals do

mammals that arent in the game

[honest sparrow]

Mammals do

[frigid storm]

dinosaurs did mark territory using waste

[honest sparrow]

Idk about birds

[frigid storm]

it's not just a mammal thing

[paper oriole]

give me your time machine i wanna see your proof

[honest sparrow]

This do be a source moment tho

[frigid storm]

that's weird. i've definitely watched several documentaries with waste as a marking territory action

[paper oriole]

give me your poop property document

documentaries pull a lot of shit, no pun intended

[honest sparrow]

Multiple documentaries have that, as speculative behavior because it’s a common mammal action

They often do that

[frigid storm]

hardly outdated

[honest sparrow]

To make it more interesting

[paper oriole]

a lot of speculation... based on modern animals... modern mammals...

[honest sparrow]

Wwd isn’t the most outdated in the world but it defenitely is

[frigid storm]

i understand the lack of knowledge to dinosaur skeletons etc, but it still was cutting edge for its time

[honest sparrow]

Yeah for it’s time, over 20 years ago

It also exaggerated certain things for spectacle

[paper oriole]

i watched a documentary once where t rex ewas literally leaping through the air onto some hadrosaurs so we need this in the game

[frigid storm]

hardly comparable

[paper oriole]

i mean if you sourced a documentary so can i

[honest sparrow]

Like laea in the spirits of the ice forest builds fake nests and huddled together for warmth, while it makes sense as part of the doc, and is an interesting piece of speculative behavior, but we don’t know if they actually did that

[frigid storm]

one is believable, the other isn't

[honest sparrow]

I mean

Still gets some things right tho

And is a very fun watch

[paper oriole]

i cant get past the models lol

[honest sparrow]

I’m gonna have to revoke your free life subscription

[paper oriole]

before i am court martialed i must also say that dinosaur revolution had better looking dinosaurs

[honest sparrow]

Fair point, dino revolution came out over 12 years later, and has some of the best designs I’ve seen tbh, but I still really enjoy the wwd models, maybe it’s nostalgia but there’s a reason they’re certified hood classics

[barren zephyr]

There are plenty of inconsistencies and inaccuracies in WWD

Temporally misplaced taxa and clear model errors.

[carmine bridge]

just make em fkn rub against trees or sum cmom

[paper oriole]

yeah they can claw trees or gash em with their horns

or maybe headbutt some shit

[frigid storm]

problem is that gooey pooey don't have just one purpose, but several different purposes

anyway lol lets just leave it til the devs weigh in

maybe they'll see the negativity and think twice

[paper oriole]

you can gauge an animal's species and age with tracks especially if they improve them, you can mark your presence with gashing and clawing, group scent and body odor can take care of stationary targets and megapacks

not sure what other things it can be used for as a mechanic

[carmine bridge]

girl... no,, just no chile..

[frigid storm]

i don't think group scent counters megapacks

[paper oriole]

i mean yeah but its function is like the same as a huge accumulation of shite

[frigid storm]

but i think it could be unhygienic and force animals to move around the map instead of staying in one area/spot

[honest sparrow]

It’s a big ass orange cloud that is impossible to miss

[frigid storm]

the point of a megapack was never to really be subtle though..

[honest sparrow]

Diets will force people to move

[paper oriole]

the general body odor/filthiness mechanic would settle the hygeine issue i think and herds will strip areas of resources and have to move rather frequently

[frigid storm]

they've gotta have an impact on your ability to perform as a dino instead of just growth though otherwise it doesn't matter for the most part

[paper oriole]

perks

are sort of an impact

[frigid storm]

we'll have to see again what the devs say about it but i think there's a ton of different implications

how do you feel about perks tho

and how impactful will they be

[honest sparrow]

Perks are cool

[frigid storm]

idk sus if not done right

[honest sparrow]

I think they add something neat to the game as long as they aren’t aids “you now do 15% more damage”

[frigid storm]

"you now attack 15% faster"

[paper oriole]

perks that are flat increases in combat stats would be hells lame yeah

[frigid storm]

"you can poop 50% faster"

[honest sparrow]

The bad ending

[paper oriole]

git out

[frigid storm]

LMAOOO

you're laughing admit it

[honest sparrow]

Na dude

[paper oriole]

perhaps...

[honest sparrow]

Ok

I chuckled

[frigid storm]

okay you're subtly smiling in mild irritation

[honest sparrow]

I’ll give you that

[paper oriole]

it did catch me off guard

[frigid storm]

all in all i will agree that the mechanics that poop could serve to implement could be done through other creative means

that it's not necessary

[paper oriole]

if its limited to texture patches similar to foot steps that spawn under your dino it might not even be that bad but i still think its pretty unnecessary and tacklable with other mechanics

like if it just periodically spawned with no animation or sound and wasnt voluntary it could at least not cater to the weirdos so much

[frigid storm]

agreed that it shouldn't be weird: if we don't need nesting animations, we don't need shitting animations

[honest sparrow]

Agreed

[paper oriole]

actually one possibly mechanical purpose i can see is if a large herd settled in an area and then left, you would be able to tell they were there before getting there in a similar way as group scent so as an herbi youd know new resources wont spawn there so soon, or a carni could look for trails, but thats only because foot prints right now dont last long enough to perform this

so i hope they rework tracks

[frigid storm]

i also think like waste would be really unhygienic and promote bathing + discourage large herds staying in one area due to disease? idk

i know body odor already will do that

[paper oriole]

i think inevitable starvation is enough to encourage large herds to move, but idk if someone is afk in a spot then it could speed up their poor hygeine stack

[frigid storm]

also @limber oyster I think a suicide button would promote killing yourself to feed people/friends, it's abusable and that's why it's not a function i think. getting stuck in the map is just an unfortunate bug, it's not supposed to happen

at least that's what i've heard

[paper oriole]

i think if they implemented a stuck button to make you safe log and then have you teleported to your location a few minutes prior could help it not be abused

since you are waiting on the safe log timer so its not much different from moving.... well it wouldnt actually make you safe log, just do the sleep and timer that the safe log also has

a suicide or especially a respawn command is def a bit abusable

[frigid storm]

^^^^

[frigid storm]

few minutes prior would be kind of weird. might sometimes not work

i guess you'd have to be proactive

but longer than a few mins and it could be abused

[paper oriole]

i suppose it depends on how long you are trying to manually unstick yourself

maybe the game can scrabble your location within a short distance, but it would have to be optimized so the game doesnt just wedge you in another tree or hole lol

[frigid storm]

now that i think about it, a few minutes seems perfect though, either that or the scrabble mechanic like you mentioned

[paper oriole]

if anything its better than just committing suicide at least

[frigid storm]

agreed. super agreed.

[limber hull]

@barren zephyr goats will be coming

its confirmed

[barren zephyr]

G O A T

Goat as a playable characters when

[limber hull]

im very excited for animal AI

so much cooler than stinky old dino AI

[barren zephyr]

Based

Tbh Imagen how cool it would be to play as a Goat and just ram Utahs

[limber hull]

Pachy is literally just the goat dinosaur

[hoary dawn]

goat horse lizard

[ashen wasp]

man, how awesome would it be if goats were playable and had growth??

||......i kid||

[urban flax]

Some people aren't even kidding about this

For some reason, when they play a game in which they have the opportunity to play frickin dinosaurs, people want rather to play a gator, a fish or a goat

[limber hull]

if that was intentional, that's a fucking amazing pun

[ashen wasp]

Hshdkdhsjh thanky

[hoary dawn]

mungle is the best playable

[ashen wasp]

As far as a playable AI mod or something way down the line, hey, why not

Just so long as the base game isn’t balanced around it

[urban flax]

It would be hell if the game was balanced in a way so that fishes are viable...

[limber hull]

i hope the game is balanced in a way that humans aren't viable tbh. The weaker humans feel, the more I'd want to play them

If I get to play as a shitty little goat, I'd recreate the sheer terror of everything trying, and being capable, of killing you

[urban flax]

I don't agree to humans being univable. We're talking about an entire factin, not a joke playable

[honest sparrow]

Why would they be balanced

[urban flax]

There's no reason why

[limber hull]

i dont want them to be a joke playable, but I want them to feel weaker than the average dino. I really want the survival horror above all else

[urban flax]

Well depends of what "weaker" means. Less health ? Yes. Less damage ? Yes. Worse healing capabilities, no sense of smell ? Yes. Losing to a single dryo ? No.

Remember the humans we're talking about are either highly trained mercenaries, either mutated giants

[limber hull]

Low health, speed, damage and restrictions on how much they can attack (ammo), but high range, high stealth, great communication tools and completely unique abilities that can aid them

[muted fog]

Apes together strong

[tender latch]

@ashen elm Limaysaurus

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[ashen elm]

...?

[tender latch]

Nvm

[ashen elm]

lol ok 😄

[barren zephyr]

@tender latch Limaysaurus

s

[hoary dawn]

@tender latch ligmaysaurus

[safe galleon]

laughing

[barren zephyr]

Laugh harder

Please

[safe galleon]

no

[barren zephyr]

[muted fog]

Amarga + Magy is my dream.

[hoary dawn]

both would be very neat

more sauropods dondi

[barren zephyr]

shuno when

[frigid storm]

gators are literally dinosaurs, i agree with you otherwise tho

[limber oyster]

I'm pretty sure people are already doing this without a self slay option. In fact, I played on a server where admins regularly teleported players who wanted to die to players who needed to eat.(this was on legacy) A self-slay option would have saved those admins a TON of effort. People are already self feeding/feeding friends. A self slay option that left a gore behind would be hard to abuse. That way people couldn't just re-spawn to gore deny.

[urban flax]

Actually they're archosaurs, not actual dinosaurs.

Dinosaurs are archosaurs, but not all archosaurs are dinosaurs

[frigid storm]

but they lived during the time of the dinosaurs. That's like arguing that pterosaurs aren't dinosaurs; you'd be right, but you'd be making the wrong point.

lots of things we traditionally refer to as 'dinosaurs' aren't dinosaurs

[urban flax]

Well fish did live at the same time as dinosaurs too
That doesn't make them any more interesting
But we have the same opinion so let's not go on an argument

[frigid storm]

yeah i agree with the fish part i guess crocs just hit a different spot for me?

not sure

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> Weird link in general feedback

[torn thistle]

👍

[warm flame]

@sacred wyvern I think that could work at short range, make it hard to hide/hunt

[quiet estuary]

@barren zephyr the argument of "hatchlings are too weak to eat regular meat" while realistic doesnt make much sense in terms of this game as when you spawn in normally in Evrima you spawn in as a hatchling and not a juvenile

But I do think that some kind of mechanic to provide food and water (outside of food carrying), while not regurgitating, but things like crop milk, eating your eggs when you spawn, etc can be benefitical to aid juvis of species who wont nessecarily always be either with a parent commonly when nested in or who will be nested in precarious positions

[tawny juniper]

Maybe egg-hatchlings have different dietary needs than regular hatchlings/ones that spawn in without nest

[hoary dawn]

redwoods aren't coming with update 4

[barren zephyr]

Didn’t they say redwoods are a maybe for update 4

Or was it a straight out no

[vale pawn]

no redwoods

[rugged quarry]

Has anyone made an “evolution” style game mode suggestion? Now before you say that sounds like progression I’m thinking of something slightly different. Everyone starts at the same time and and evolutionary arms race ensues. Let’s say as an example you start off as a Scelidosaurus and you get attacked by a insert early Jurassic theropod here and after wether involuntarily or voluntary you spec into a defensive stat. Over time defense stats start accruing and you evolve into an ankylosaur, vice versa for offensive stats and evolving into a stegosaur.

[molten siren]

Pain

[molten siren]

🗿

[urban flax]

That seems horribly complicated to do and not that interesting

How would people all start at the same time ?

[honest sparrow]

Essentially prog but more complicated

[molten siren]

Yeah

[urban flax]

And it would need implementing useless median dinos

[honest sparrow]

Idm the addition of more game modes tho

I just think given the current vision for the game survival, sandbox, and prog as a side mode work just fine

[urban flax]

A deathmatch mode would be fun

[honest sparrow]

Sandbox

[urban flax]

To turn the game even more into primal carnage 2

I mean actual deathmatch, with the server resetting every 20 minutes and having a kill count for every faction

[honest sparrow]

technically primal carnage 3 or 4

4 way deathmatch?

With variety and shit?

[urban flax]

Guess so

[honest sparrow]

Count me in

[urban flax]

Or 2 teams that can pick anything between dinos, mercs and tribals

Cause I think in a regular deathmatch with even teams, dinos would always win

[honest sparrow]

I remember reading something about each faction having different win conditions of sorts

[urban flax]

Humans are OP in Primal Carnage compared to what they'll be in The Isle yet dinos win most of the time

[honest sparrow]

Like for carnis it’s killing everything

[honest sparrow]

Game is still balanced and the humans do actually win a decent amount of the time

[urban flax]

Maybe last time I played was too long ago then

Or I was too good as a raptor

[honest sparrow]

Its just more people are more enthusiastic and better at dinos

And dinos work very well off of momentum

But yeah like a slayer style mode with 4 teams, and like all the tools available would be cool

[urban flax]

Maybe we could see this in a mod in the future

Players often make additionnal game modes in moddable games

[paper oriole]

smell other dinos in the area like directly smell their person rather than tracks? no thanks

unless theyre covered in something that would make them show up that would be broken

[urban flax]

Could work if it's very short range, still kinda ruins the point of hiding tho

[paper oriole]

yeah some smalls will rely totally on hiding and it would fuck them over

[flat crypt]

ive managed to avoid bigger animals as a dryo or hypsi by crouching in some bushes, making sure my footprints don't lead to my position and just waiting for them to move on, or move far enough to make a run for it. I like that stealth is actually somewhat possible now, though I do wish all animals were capable of crouching.

being able to sniff out where something is even if they managed to hide themselves just wouldn't be fun

[odd sedge]

Yeah the 'not being able to crouch' is an issue for larger things like Tenos or Stegos. Well, adult Stegos being tracked isn't really a problem, since Stego can currently smack everything that dares to attack.
However Tenos are quite affected by that, since everything can track them down and wallowing isn't always an option

[flat crypt]

it'd be nice to have for everything partly just for consistency. I imagine stuff like rex and spino will be able to crouch. If them, why not large herbis? Even though they might not be stealth-oriented, being able to hide your tracks to throw off anyone following you is very useful, even at that size

[urban flax]

For now only bipedal animals can crouch, which has no reason to be in terms of either balance, gameplay or realism. I wish all dinos had a "low profile" stance.
And I also hope big things will still leave footprints while crouching

[paper oriole]

Animals who cant truly crouch should be able to restrict their movement, lower their heads and walk slower and quieter

Would serve close enough to the same purpose

[flat crypt]

a big ol stego full-on squatting and walking would look odd, but even a stance where they sort of lower the front half of their body and walk more carefully would work quite well imo

give across "this animal is crouching" without looking ridiculous

[urban flax]

And also allows to raise its tail to hit flyers or big predators

[flat crypt]

ye, it could be a neat way to also aim a little higher. and in the case of something like trike, aim a little lower

[odd sedge]

I mean, it wouldn't be that hard to give Teno a crouch

Lower the tail, lower the head and make it walk carefully

[flat crypt]

yeah. basically the only animals that I think might be hard to give a crouch are the big sauropods, specifically brachi but maybe camara too. they need their legs fairly stiff for structural support. And I think they're one of the few cases where they don't really have a need to hide footprints

a trike could hide in a forest, if it tried. a brachi is hiding nowhere

[odd sedge]

A crouch for large sauropods is nonsense, since they are so massive and can't hide anyways

Their only defense is their thickness

[hot inlet]

@barren zephyr like your reguating idea

but sadly i have tell you
Animals dotn really care if the food is covered in dirt

ever seen Herons or Storks when they do it ?
they land on the nest puke it there and the babys eat it from the spot with sticks,leaves and all the other stuff

its not even rare stuff like frogs,snakes and so one are even still alive when they puke it into the nest no joking

i know what you mean but still its animals
if they do such stuff they have an adaptation to counter this

many like say toads who swallow a lot of dirt when catching worms or so

simply puke the dirt back out a few seconds later

seen it with birds like Starlings too

this didnt menat theyr brain dead and have no adaptation otherwise they would not have survived so long

also as an carnivore bringing the meal to your babys or leading the young to the meal is mostly way more energy efficent especially when you have more then 3 babys

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> Another CSGO scam, it's the season

[severe idol]

You didn't see anything.

[barren zephyr]

Vanished

[flat crypt]

Your heard it here first folks. The Queen of England herself has decreed deinosuchus is a warcrime

[urban flax]

<@&401466542140817419> And another one !

[severe idol]

Yep

[urban flax]

You should start a collection

[severe idol]

We have one.

[urban flax]

I hope you keep all those deleted messages preciously

[wheat igloo]

👀

[molten tulip]

The ptera wings is most likely to make animating it easier

Attaching membrane to the legs would get tons of inside out folding and stretching that would be very hard for the computer to make look good

[ashen wasp]

Ptera’s membrane is attached to its legs

I think the suggestion’s just asking for a bit more of a graceful curve to it

[barren zephyr]

@idle fiber the wing reconstruction of TI's pteranodon is decently accurate

It does attatch at the ankle (or the shin, for those matters).

[fluid venture]

why not making in toggleable for all servers? if people choose to not wanna play with global chat then don't punish those people who actually do want to play with

[odd sedge]

Because you don't need global chat in a survival game mode

Sandbox and deathmatch are not about survival

[fluid venture]

but if people still want to play with why would you want to punish them?? I just don't get that. let people play as they want and don't just stay at your only one opinion..

[odd sedge]

Because global chat is bad and not needed

[fluid venture]

in your opinion

people still like playing with it tho and I'm not saying that every server has to have it enabled

[odd sedge]

Tell me three good reasons why we need global chat

[muted fog]

There were reasons why global chat was taken out, that's a fact.

• Targetting specific players

-Announcing where you are on the server, bringing all the players to one spot, not much of a hunt.

• "Admin, Admin"

There's more aswell

[odd sedge]

☝️

[fluid venture]

then go on a server with no global chat if u don't like that but don't punish other people

because of your own opinion*

[odd sedge]

What do you mean punish?

[gritty helm]

It wasn't removed cause it "wasn't needed for survival" it was removed because legacy basically became a bird bath sim but in all fairness that wasn't an issue with global chat specifically. There just isn't a whole lot to do and I'd argue Evirma still feels that way to an extent

[hoary dawn]

global brings absolutely nothing to the survival gamemode, i get it can be fun to talk with people while playing but stuff like that would work perfectly fine in sandbox

[muted fog]

Wrong, those are facts

[odd sedge]

The devs have done the game a large favor by removing it

[muted fog]

Yep

[fluid venture]

as I said.. switch servers but let people play with it if they decide to want to

[muted fog]

Only in deathmatch or sandbox should global be a thing

[hoary dawn]

people who want global chat would have the option to decide to play on sandbox

[muted fog]

"Let it be a server decision"

Nah, that's a basic of the survival mode.

[fluid venture]

yea because there is ONLY 1 way to play the game which makes server literally pointless if u don't let them decide to switch a few things to match to people preferences

[swift dew]

@thin ether those "pointless rules" are on unofficial servers. nothing they can do to make them get rid of their rules. offical's don't have any rules other than don't hack and don't be toxic

[muted fog]

There's not 1 way, there's 1 feature in the game that works for survival, and another that doesnt.

Simple

[silver zephyr]

in the future entire factions will be able to be turned off, so unofficials will definitely be able to provide different experiences

[thin ether]

What servers are official?

[fluid venture]

doubt that

[swift dew]

I love how you pro global players feel that the disallowing of global chat makes all ways to play the game the same

[odd sedge]

You do realise the devs want the community to play a certain way, right?

It's a survival horror game. What part of global chat is survival horror

[silver zephyr]

literally been confirmed tho

[fluid venture]

eh not trusting the devs anymore anyways <.<

[muted fog]

Bruh

[hoary dawn]

ok then

[swift dew]

the ones with green names iirc, you can just type in official into the search bar and it should work

[fluid venture]

dont see the issue to make it servers choise

I give up discussing here because u just talk to a wall

[odd sedge]

Well everyone else does

[muted fog]

Because so long as that server is survival then global will not be an option

[hoary dawn]

i mean you are the one starting these discussions by suggesting the same thing over and over

[fluid venture]

ye because no one gave me a valid argument yet

[static niche]

i say let community server owners be able to do the hell they want with THEIR server

[fluid venture]

exactly

[muted fog]

Lol, U haven't given a valid arguement

[fluid venture]

I stay with my argument tho

[hoary dawn]

we have kept the same argument this whole time

[muted fog]

Your arguement consists of "add global"

[static niche]

more of a platform people have to customize it to their own liking, more people it’ll bring into the game.

[muted fog]

I actually stated points for why global ain't a thing

[fluid venture]

my argument is that server owners should be able to decide what they want because it thier servers

[static niche]

servers are not cheap to host.

[muted fog]

Server owners cant decide to change the core function of a gamemode

Simple.

[fluid venture]

idk about everyones personal opinion about global chat.. people can still decide what they prefer

[hoary dawn]

and our argument is that global negatively impacts the survival gamemode and should be a thing for sandbox

[fluid venture]

shoulnd be a core funtion imo

[static niche]

If server owners don’t have the option to customize, they might as well leave The Isle

[muted fog]

Too bad, it is a core function

[static niche]

Is that really your own argument?

only*

[hoary dawn]

there are things they will be able to customize

[muted fog]

"If server owners cant have global chat then the isle shouldnt be played"

Lmfao

[fluid venture]

thatswhy I'm argueing to change it

[static niche]

Because everyone wants to play differently.

[static niche]

Not what I said exactly

Don’t twist my words.

[odd sedge]

Very well.
If you complain about having to play a horror survival game when playing the isle, then you are wrong here

[gritty helm]

Tbf mods will eventually be a thing but generally speaking I do agree here. Not to mention I don't see why something like global would need to be modded back into the game if people want to use it for their servers lol

[static niche]

I’m not complaining about it. I’m just saying server owners should be able to mod their own server to their own liking.

[hoary dawn]

we are literally saying server owners should be able to customize servers to allow global, just not with a gamemode that it fucks up

[fluid venture]

exactly <.<

[muted fog]

I've listed reasons why global was taken out, if you cant accept them that is your own problem.

Survival, no global.

Sandbox sure.

[static niche]

Okay and why is it so important to you that server owners don’t have global added in?

[odd sedge]

This discussion is pointless, the devs won't bring it back just because a few people on discord asked for it

[fluid venture]

I literally dont understand why u just cant accept server owners to decide how they want to play.. if u hate global then just dont play on thier servers

[static niche]

Simply don’t play that specific server.

[odd sedge]

1. No need
2. No slurs
3. No position leaking
4. No Drama
5. More survival horror
   ...

[fluid venture]

if people dont mind those things let. them. play

[static niche]

Not everyone wants the same type of gameplay.

Moderators exist on servers for a reason

[hoary dawn]

if you like global just play on sandbox

[odd sedge]

Pal, the isle is a horror survival game

[static niche]

It’s also a CHOICE.

[muted fog]

Okay and why is it so important to you that server owners don’t have global added in?
@static niche

In survival global fucks up everything.

It opens up for

-the targeting of specific players

• announcing your location to the whole damn server bringing all the players to one spot.

• bird bath simulator

Etc, etc.

[fluid venture]

sandbox isnt the same tho

[hoary dawn]

how

how does global work differently in sandbox to how it does in survival

[static niche]

People care so much about what other people like lmao

It’s not even your issue if a server owner or admin wants a damn global chat.

[muted fog]

Not everyone wants the same type of gameplay.
@static niche

Not everyone in fortnite likes to play fps, make it so players dont have guns.

[odd sedge]

It is

[static niche]

It’s really not LOL

[fluid venture]

literally never had those issues.. and if people dont mind that then let them play.. no one is forcing people who dont like global to play on those server which has it

[fluid venture]

how so

[muted fog]

It's not about what u like, it's about what works best for the gamemode.

[fluid venture]

[static niche]

It kinda is about what their OWN community wants

[muted fog]

[static niche]

[fluid venture]

more options = bigger playerbase

[static niche]

EXACTLY

[muted fog]

Thier own community wanted global out, you're the vocal minority

[hoary dawn]

functional gamemode > more players

[static niche]

Then allow the vocal minority have the OPTION.

[fluid venture]

I've seen lot of people complaining when they announced that global will be removed

[muted fog]

Global has no place in survival

Deal

[fluid venture]

exctly <.<

[muted fog]

I've seen lot of people complaining when they announced that global will be removed
@fluid venture

When it first happened yes, it's been quite awhile now and people realize why.

[static niche]

People don’t realize giving diverse people a platform to mod the game how they want is how more players are brought in.

[wicked furnace]

Having global back isnt a vocal minority...so many people want it back and its a very large factor that has made people play legacy more

[fluid venture]

but well if devs only want to have 1 way to play the game and want a lesser playerbase.. fine

[muted fog]

Mods won't be in for while

[static niche]

Honestly.

[hoary dawn]

glad we came to an understanding

[muted fog]

but well if devs only want to have 1 way to play the game and want a lesser playerbase.. fine
@fluid venture

More players will be brought in by featured that support the genre, not by features that hurt said genre

[static niche]

More people are going to be brought in if there’s a diverse selection of different servers with different mods and features.

[muted fog]

Having global back isnt a vocal minority...so many people want it back and its a very large factor that has made people play legacy more
@wicked furnace

People play legacy more because evrima is bare bones, once evrima hits update 6 there may be no more legacy

[static niche]

People can choose want THEY want.

The Isle themselves can choose what to officially showcase

[muted fog]

More people are going to be brought in if there’s a diverse selection of different servers with different mods and features.
@static niche

Mods, like a godzilla mod right?

[fluid venture]

ye

[static niche]

Youtubers do their own advertising for their own community

[fluid venture]

ye to mini* lol

[molten tulip]

When the mod kit comes out you can just mod global back in for your server

[static niche]

Whatever the hell people want. If that’s what they want, I don’t fuckin care!

[molten tulip]

Same with the many dinosaurs people want but the devs didn't choose because it didn't fit their vision for the game

[wicked furnace]

I don't think evrima is bare bones right now but i agree with the second part. I was saying that there is a lot of people playing legacy because of all the flaws with Evrima, including no global chat

[muted fog]

Whatever the hell people want. If that’s what they want, I don’t fuckin care!
@static niche

Then you're gonna have to wait a long time, because global won't be a feature for survival added by the devs.

[fluid venture]

sad

[muted fog]

. > I don't think evrima is bare bones right now but i agree with the second part. I was saying that there is a lot of people playing legacy because of all the flaws with Evrima, including no global chat
@wicked furnace

Nah, global negatively effects legacy, you can see the gameplay difference between legacy and evrima.

[static niche]

If it comes in the game sooner or later, fine. As long as the Devs do it.

[muted fog]

The devs won't do it for survival, sandbox sure.

[silver zephyr]

sandbox global isn't confirmed, although it would be nice

[muted fog]

sandbox global isn't confirmed, although it would be nice
@silver zephyr

Why wouldn't it? There's no reason not to have global really.

[hoary dawn]

imo let the game be what its supposed to be until the devs are ready to give the community absolute control, if you let people morph the game to their liking when its not even finished then the experience the devs are trying to make is lost

[molten tulip]

I think global is necessary for deathmatch, for sandbox would be nice

[muted fog]

^

[silver zephyr]

I dont think they've ever denied global for sandbox, just never mentioned it really

[molten tulip]

But survival absolutely not

[muted fog]

Evrima has far better gameplay than legacy because it has no global and it's not a bird bath sim.

[molten tulip]

Once the legacy officials died it was impossible to find a good server to play on, everything was just a birthday party or just a crappy overly regulated realism sim with alt turn off

So glad those two features are gone

[fluid venture]

I literally never felt that way while play..

[muted fog]

Global is used

• to announce your location to the whole server (negatively affects survival)

-targetting players (negatively affects said players)

• and we cant forget "admin, admin, rulebreak...his toes are touching the water"

[fluid venture]

maybe the third one here and there but beside that global was never an issue

[molten tulip]

or just dinosaurs sitting around having a conversation about going to walmart

[muted fog]

Now you have to play localized with only your own species being able to understand you and you have to actually hunt, far more engaging.

[hoary dawn]

perhaps not in your experiences but i for one did see all 3 of those take place in legacy

[muted fog]

or just dinosaurs sitting around having a conversation about going to walmart
@molten tulip

LMFAO, you can do that in evrima, but only your species/group will be able to hear and not the carno hunting u.

[hoary dawn]

and so did many others

[muted fog]

"I'm looking for a white rex, yall wanna join"

Lol

[hoary dawn]

trike at great falls is kosing

[molten tulip]

gg dryo -rex

[muted fog]

Lol

"i BEG OF YOU please fix the deinosuchus. its OP as hell. i just got killed as a fully grown stego to an alt biteing deino. i couldnt turn around but some how he can launch his 8 tone body around to kill me. this is rediculous how OP the deino is. its basically a war crime at this point"

You just got outplayed Queen, gotta love it when aggressive stegos who think they're god get destroyed by a good deino.

[hoary dawn]

i mean, deino does need nerfs in the form of alt bite using stam

and hitboxes need fine tuning

[tawny juniper]

Getting killed by a deino as a stego and questioning how it happened = you're ass at the game

[dark spruce]

Why are people so against Global Chat? (not looking to argue just curious cause i've never seen anyone explain)

[vast wolf]

because its almost always just complaning or people being antagonistic

and premotes mix packing

[dark spruce]

I can understand the first reasoning but surely if people are going to mixpack they'll just use discord at that point?

[tender latch]

I'm personally on the side of global chat actually
I think it should be a thing on small sandbox servers like TestLevel deathmatch and chill servers from legacy

[hoary dawn]

yes

global on sandbox servers is good

it enhances that gamemode, and detracts from survival

[vast wolf]

sandbox sure

survival fuck no

[barren zephyr]

@keen vapor What kind of cheating? I never saw anyone cheating on evrima ever. period

[keen vapor]

ESP

It essentailly removes water and bushes/trees so you can see everyone

[barren zephyr]

esp?

[keen vapor]

Like when you just log onto a server

and you see everyone nearby

[barren zephyr]

what does esp mean?

[keen vapor]

"Extra Sensory Perception" Its just what people call cheats that allow you too see players through obstacles/terrain

[barren zephyr]

oh

if its a third party program

then thats sucks.

but I don't think I ever faced it.

Its hard to know really.

Yeah it’s true. I’ve been mauled by groups of carnos that just suddenly find me when I’m literally in the middle of the forest growing

they just somehow know where I am

[keen vapor]

Yeah its super OP when chasing utahs as a carno as they cant run into foliage to hide

[odd sedge]

Because it keeps people from using slurs, leaking your position when they got killed in a fair fight and (for me personally, not a fact) it brings a lot more immersion for the game when you cannot communicate with people of other species. It makes you use your body language and calls to warn your herd of danger like an actual animal would

[molten tulip]

idk walking around a forest while the voices of children from across the continent are arguing about why rex or spino would win in a fight makes it feel more like a video game and not an animal trying to survive

Plus all the whining and flamebaiting

[pale bloom]

I've encountered people using ESP and there's multiple videos of people proving the usage of it, it's really annoying when you're playing a land dino

[hybrid matrix]

About the global chat discussion, im glad its gone

It sucked

All i miss about it is watching kids scream at each other

[thorny lynx]

I mean, there is also Discord, Skype, Steam chat, any other chat service that could allow you to communicate with other dinosaurs. Global chat will not stop them.

[vale pawn]

free entertainment

[hallow vigil]

global chat just allows for too much communication. Sure, there's discord and other services, but ive never seen them be used as effectively as global chat is. With discord you get the occasional location-sharing, rage, cooperation across species, etc. But with global chat you have literally the entire server communicating with other species that they absolutely should not be speaking to, because the game officially supports it and makes it way more conveinent. I hate seeing servers full of carnivores being diplomatic to herbis saying "hey trike, can you move off the body? we gotta eat :)". Peaceful/diplomatic interactions like that have no place in a game where you are a wild animal. I know animals aren't mindless killing machines, but they don't talk out their problems either. The only cross-species communication we should have is roars, imo.

Plus with things like discord, skype, teamspeak, etc, everyone is divided up into separate discord servers, voice chats, etc. But with global chat, everyone can talk in one place, making it far for effective

[hybrid matrix]

Personally, i like congratulating the people i kill if they did well b4 i got them, but other than that and watching ppl argue, global has no meaning to me

[paper oriole]

Why does somebody want dilo who already has drugging venom and nv to also have hypsis ability

Also ovi scream that stuns? The fuck? Lmao

[hoary dawn]

jurassic park

[paper oriole]

Of course

[barren zephyr]

isle dilo > Jurassic park dilo

[paper oriole]

Yeah we already have enough lame jp ripoffs in the isle we dont need more things

Pretty sure herds of large herbis will be soft countered by dietary requirements we dont need hardset rules to stop gatherings

Upvoting your own suggestion

[barren zephyr]

[thorny lynx]

But see, it is impossible to discuss rulebreaks too.

Herbivores have no business body guarding and getting aggressive over a predator's meal. It just ain't right.

[hallow vigil]

admins could prob have their own thing, and maybe a DM system so users could still report stuff to them ingame

[violet sparrow]

an ingame DM system for admins to users and users to admins would be interesting

it gets tricky to catch a rulebreaker or to report a problem without any method of communication if not Discord

[lapis tree]

Well admin to player is a thing

[violet sparrow]

You reacted with "already in" on my suggestion, would you share with us how to teleport in spectator mode?

[swift dew]

im not sure how, but spectator is already a thing

[icy lion]

@left spoke you can edit your post if you want to make the actual suggestion

[lapis tree]

go to controls there should be a thing called admin warp if there's no key bind make one, go to spectator after doing that then look where you want to tp make sure you're a decent distance then do the keybindings for it and you should tp to the spot

[violet sparrow]

yeah, we can enter spectator mode by pressing "delete"

[violet sparrow]

thanks, I'll try that

[lapis tree]

np

[muted fog]

Upvoting your own suggestion
@paper oriole

How can u tell if someone upvoted thier own suggestion?

[meager tiger]

If they add humans and voice chat, I think they should make the people's mics be garbled since animals can't understand speech but still can hear noise

[swift dew]

iirc punch said that animals will hear humans as radio static

[urban flax]

@hasty radish Nobody understood your suggestion the first time you posted it, so reposting it the exact same way won't change anything. Could you explain what it consists of, please ?

[wanton hull]

Y are people against global chat on private servers there is literally no reason not to have it.

It’s annoying for organizing events and asking for discord links so u can read rules etc.

[limber hull]

if there's no rules against cannibalism, there should also be no rules against people crying about it. Perfectly fair tradeoff imo

there are zero rules on officials

thats how it is

[silent current]

its a discord rule

[limber hull]

yep, and what's banning it going to do? Subgroups still have hitlists of cannibals

[silent current]

also bad reasoning, revealing locations and names is much worse than cannibalism as it leads to targeting

[limber hull]

Unless you wanna ban it on the server, it will still happen

I personally don't do the whole hitlist bullshit, but I don't do cannibalism either

[barren zephyr]

people like crying over things because they are salty

Normal human nature, even if childish and otherwise useless

Oh well, you gotta put up with it, I guess

[silent current]

it's not just that, how do you genuinely think revealing locations is fair/fine?

[limber hull]

no, but cannibalism isn't too fun either. I'm honestly in a grey area, both sides are clearly playing dirty, but neither side wants to admit they're kinda being asses

[silent current]

oh you are one of those alright then

[limber hull]

what does that mean. Giving coords is fucking a dick move but so too is just decimating randoms who want to play the game because you can

[silent current]

there is nothing to do in this game, so it happens, people just kill and that's it, because combat is fun

if ur bad then you will die sooner or later, once again-dont trust anyone

it really isnt as bad as people make it look like

[barren zephyr]

well cannibalism isnt too bad when compared to witch hunts

and cannibalism is going to be a part of Diets soon (deino and cerato)

yeah diets will otherwise affect gameplay and the balance of the ecosystem

yes

still, the witchhunting isnt particularly nice

or actually there is a very easy solution

dont look at the server channels

[flat crypt]

reasons i don't play on the official servers lmao

honestly though asking for more rigorous admin-ing for official servers is a bit much I think. They'd need to have a pretty large team to cover them properly, at all times of day

it's better to work on game mechanics that encourage certain ways of playing (and discourage others) so the experience is better for everyone. we lack a lot of that atm which is def part of why officials are a bit of a nuisance sometimes to play on

[silent current]

what. It's literally opening a channel, seeing people revealing locations, then giving them a reminder or a mute

[paper oriole]

isnt titanoboa soft confirmed

like its just a bitch to rig

[barren zephyr]

They might not even add it to the game

It would be a pain to animate

[paper oriole]

yea why i thought soft confirmed, like they were going to try

but if they cant itd be dropped

idk if that counts as soft confirmed lol

honestly titanoboa kinda sucks and probably isnt worth the trouble, palaeophis is better because it lives purely in the water and that is probably less difficult to animate

[barren zephyr]

Titanoboa would get thrashed by practically everything anyways

[silent current]

It may end up being some kind of AI

[paper oriole]

yeah a tenonto would wreck its shit

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure megalania could kill it in a straight fight

[silent current]

but seeing how the ai development is doing i doubt they will be able to make something like that

[paper oriole]

and it would have to have a long ass hunger timer or live totally off of fish and then die to the first deino that sees it

[silent current]

awesome gameplay

[paper oriole]

lmao yeah eat a fish and then die

epic snake gameplay

[barren zephyr]

Titanoboa just seems like a waste of time, they would also have to make a constrictor or it would simply be worse than magy itself

[silent current]

magy

[paper oriole]

titanoboa couldnt even unhinge its jaws like the boas today, its more comparable to that wrinkly as ssnake that lives in water in present day i forgot what its called

elephant snake maybe

[barren zephyr]

wow! a Deinosuchus!! I’m dead!!!

[barren zephyr]

Cera food

[silent current]

[paper oriole]

magy should get replaced with amarga since dondi mentioned amarga on twitter

[barren zephyr]

I’m hoping they make the 1.6 ton 8 meter long cera so it has a chance against carno

[silent current]

this^

[barren zephyr]

Shunosaurus is pretty cool too, a little big but

[paper oriole]

well cera was mentioned to be a pretty tough dino and there isnt a big size difference between him and carno anyway, so he better beat carno's ass i a fight considering carno shouldnt really be brawling at all anyway

[silent current]

I agree

[barren zephyr]

Carno right now seems like a faster mini sub rex

[paper oriole]

shunosaurus, ampelosaurus, bajadasaurus and amargasaurus are all cooler than magy

[silent current]

it's time for carno to go, cera will be the best brawler now 💪

[barren zephyr]

Carno shouldn’t even be a brawler in the first place

[silent current]

yeah

its disgustingly strong now

[paper oriole]

hopefully when the roster expands carno has a little stat rework and lowered group limit

better charge, worse bite, lower group limit

[barren zephyr]

It needs a weaker biteforce and maybe a little charge buff

[paper oriole]

yeah basically

[barren zephyr]

nobody uses charge

[paper oriole]

make him an actual ambusher and not a fighter

[barren zephyr]

Teno and cera should be natural enemies

Not Carno

[paper oriole]

magy and cera

[barren zephyr]

That too

[paper oriole]

i thought teno was supposed to be the utah enemy

[barren zephyr]

Tbh if they make cerato anywhere near the size of carno. I can see magy having a very difficult time

[barren zephyr]

Teno slaps Utah now lol

[paper oriole]

well, utah pack enemy maybe lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, good utah pack vs a good teno the pack usually wins

[paper oriole]

i like how in magy's concept it was pushing a cera over but then cera just fucking decapitates magy in his concept

[barren zephyr]

Cera seems brutal

[paper oriole]

fatality

[barren zephyr]

It’ll just eat a fucking baby if it wants to

[silent current]

bUt IT wAsnT aDuLt!

[barren zephyr]

excuse^

[paper oriole]

[barren zephyr]

Some people really want a weak cera for some reason

just let the man be strong

Let him shine

[paper oriole]

some people want what ever they dont play to be weak lol

[silent current]

pretty much

[barren zephyr]

and a lot of people dislike cera so it makes sense

[paper oriole]

not sure why, hes a cool ass dino

[barren zephyr]

Allo

[silent current]

im so glad the wave of suggestions about deino's biteforce is over now

[paper oriole]

much cooler than the jp ripof- i mean utahraptor

[silent current]

yea allo is overrated

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

Those deino suggestions were absurd

They want stegos to die instantly

[paper oriole]

people unironically wanting deino to have bite force in the thousands

[barren zephyr]

One bite would just kill 90% of the roster

[silent current]

not stupid at all

[paper oriole]

what deino needs is fracture damage in his bite with no damage change and a nice fat stam drain for his alt bite

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

no more beyblade gators

[barren zephyr]

“Creature out of its element”

Spin till you win

[paper oriole]

i remember someone was super pissy in balance discussion about deino getting stam on his alt bite not too long ago

[barren zephyr]

Why lol

[paper oriole]

and surprise, they were a deino main

[barren zephyr]

Crocodilians in real life have horrible endurance

It shouldn’t be spinning around like that

[paper oriole]

especially when other dinos take stam to slap their hands or swing their tail

dinos that are designed to be on land

[barren zephyr]

Alt bite 4 shotting stegos to the face

[paper oriole]

deinos biting stego heads through their ass with alt bite while dodging headhots at the same time

[silent current]

balanced

[barren zephyr]

the problem is, they added in these pseudo apexes way too early, then they try to balance them out with the small tiers. Which is weird. They literally added in a giant herbivore and a 8 ton alligator in update 2 and 3.

[silent current]

because deino was the hype machine

they were like oh this is not going to hurt the balance at all

[barren zephyr]

wow!!! Big alligator ! This will save the game!!

[silent current]

it sure will!

[paper oriole]

shoulda added kento and beipi instead of deino and stego

[barren zephyr]

^

[silent current]

water hypsi

[barren zephyr]

or at least pachy

[paper oriole]

yeah though at least pachy is coming soon now

[silent current]

soonTM get it XD

[barren zephyr]

how is it going to survive, carno simply exists

[paper oriole]

pachy without fractures would be so pathetic lol

so kentro would have been best stego alternative

[silent current]

Break fucker's legs and uhh idk

[barren zephyr]

Unless pachy can just break its knees and run away, I don’t see it doing anything

[silent current]

run or kill it

that's probably what it will do

[barren zephyr]

Isle

[silent current]

bad

[paper oriole]

pachy should outstam and outmaneuver carno as well in a straight up confrontation

[barren zephyr]

Carno needs actual land competition

Cera needs to get in soon

[paper oriole]

probably survive the same way utah does + fracture instead of pounce

[barren zephyr]

hopefully the fracture will be good enough to save its life

[silent current]

Hopefully it will be more than enough

[paper oriole]

i hope we get rib fracture that stamina breaks so it can get rid of utahs lol

[barren zephyr]

Pachy should absolutely destroy a utah in a 1v1 situation

[paper oriole]

stamina breaking would be very useful for fracture inflicters

ive seen people want utah and pachy to be a 50/50 even with utah being faster

[barren zephyr]

Lol no

[paper oriole]

like bruh

[barren zephyr]

giant dome, ultra aggressive volatile herbivore

[paper oriole]

he should have the opposite of the bleed resist he had in legacy too, no bloodbag pachy for evrima

[barren zephyr]

A utah would try and pounce it, pachy can just counter the pounce and pummel it to the ground

[silent current]

if utah ambushes it and gets a pounce in it should win imo, should be skill dependant

[barren zephyr]

pretty sure pachy is literally anti utah so it makes sense

[silent current]

cuz if you get hit it will slow you down and ur most likely dead

[paper oriole]

like a pachy shouldnt try fighting a carno unless its pretty skilled, but it should have the overwhelming melee advantage against utah

[barren zephyr]

A good patient utah may be able to kill a pachy

that’s if the pachy isn’t a good player

[paper oriole]

pachy's concept made it look like he has a pretty strong buck

[barren zephyr]

If both of them are good pachy should have the advantage

Based