general-feedback-discussion

[pliant token]

Theri literally have small legs tho

or are you refering to legacy

[thorny lynx]

That is exactly how I want the toes to look

[pliant token]

yeah that's the official representation of theri

I mean irk

irl*

[latent cave]

That an artists drawing its not representative of what they really were like, I was trying to get the foot bone images but my phone can't seem to load shit

[pliant token]

it's the wikipedia reference

they do have small legs, it's just covered with their belly fat

Proportion-wise, their legs are thing

thin*

Also, Artists can also draw things realistically. But it all goes with the palaeontologists.

[latent cave]

That is actually a rather good reconstruction, look at the feet they are not like many of the artistic renditions you posted

[pliant token]

they are, you just don't see the fat

[latent cave]

Here is a fairly accurate one compared to deinochirus

[pliant token]

exactly, proportionally speaking, their legs a thin..

are*

also, this is also done by an artist, just to show you, artist can make things realistically too

I learned a thing today, pteras have alt bites lmfao

pretty useless tho when everything can one shot you

[pliant token]

lmfao rubberbanding then hit a tree while biting carnos

[latent cave]

I main ptera in evrima, they are able to fight and kill juvi on the ground

Therizinosaurus legs are all well and good for supporting their weight, but they are poorly built for absorbing and redirecting force forward for running, also most artists remove their dew claws, the isle is kinda bad for this as they like giving all bipedal dinos with the exception of raptors rex feet,

Well deinochirus feet are described to be simular to a trexs,therizinosaurus are not, rather they are described as "almost sauropodomorph-like"

[swift dew]

@waxen adder the axe allo thing was debunked, so there isnt any basis for it. it also looks dumb

[hasty dagger]

Hatchet Bite Allo

[kindred flare]

no

cursed

[azure wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/jakes-td-look-back-gif-15649983

[meager tiger]

are burrows gonna be like a "mining" game where you can actually dig tunnels or is it just preset rooms?

[urban flax]

probably just preset rooms

[meager tiger]

Yeah I figured

[urban flax]

The game's engine is not made to let players dig directly into the terrain

[meager tiger]

How will you make more than one entrance

if you can only dig the intial entrnace teleporter

[urban flax]

I don't know, but we can hope burrows won't be instanciated
There is a way that the entrace can be made physical

So that anything small enough can enter them

[meager tiger]

Are there any animals other than a trapdoor spiders, that use burrows as a ambush to prey that walks past?

[paper oriole]

i think wild ferrets/polecats might do it

at least ive seen a video of it like once ever lol

[urban flax]

Does antlions count ?

[pliant token]

Did the deino's speed received a nerf ?

Ah no I thought it was previously 30%

posting so i can copy link for bug report

@barren zephyr For your feedback, I think it would be cool tho to have bugs spawning sometimes in the burrows. So if carnivores literally camp you, you can SURVIVE by eating bugs (maintain food but not a lot)

[pliant token]

wtf i couldnt take off after i stood up lmfao amazing

died because of that, usual death because of bugs

[ashen wasp]

i DO hope we get this at some point

[limber hull]

i think the best part about that image is that the oviraptor isnt dead

[odd sedge]

Nooooooooooooo

Also, upvoting your own suggestion is kinda yikes

[vale pawn]

I thought the ovi was a weird fish at first lol

[haughty cove]

Not bleed but it’ll have the bleed with the healing icon but I’m taking damage for no reason

do you play carno a lot? carno has this issue, it's because its max health pool is increasing as it grows, but its total health isn't increasing with it at the same rate

i think i've noticed it slightly in utah as well, carno is just the most strongly affected afaik

[warm lintel]

yea, i noticed it too

only on carno

[plush scaffold]

@keen urchin I legit just posted that in offtopic 😂 nice to see some one else cares about fsr

[ashen wasp]

i mean, technically--

[hybrid matrix]

what is an FSR

[latent cave]

If they wanted to put in the effort they could do something like B.O.B, where you can dig basicly as much as you want in a minecraft like way, mostly limited by ventilation and dirt, basicly you can only did so much before you have dump all the dirt out on the surface witch makes the entrance more noticeable as it builds up.

They also had a stagnant air thing where if you dig to far from a entrance air does not reach and you start to suffocate

[feral solstice]

Performance booster

[hybrid matrix]

thanks

[hasty dagger]

Trike Remodel please

Current model is so rotund and unintimidating

[paper oriole]

The current model looks like an animal that isnt supposed to be fat but it is

Its like those obese retrievers i see all the time, it just looks unhealthy lol

[thorny lynx]

It is so...OVAL.

[paper oriole]

Short trike best trike

[frigid storm]

if you can create preset rooms underground with no problem, you can create voxel-like rooms with the presets... so it is technically possible but the terrain also isn't even, either

[manic flint]

I can't find anything on it being debunked can u pls link me a source?

[quiet estuary]

@steep warren I dont think random chance should be what determines a hatchling's colors

It would be better if it when you were spawning as a hatchling you can customize what colors you spawn in with whatever colors that your parents have as the only options. Maybe with options as well from your grandparents

[silk heath]

it would be very unique if we spawn in with random color that our parents gave us and we have and live with it.

[quiet estuary]

Why does it have to be random though

If my mom uses brown top, tan mid, and white bottom and dad uses green top, black middle, and yellow bottom

My color options when i get nested in for customization can be
top: brown and green
middle: tan and black
bottom: white and yellow

[silk heath]

im trying to say let the game choose for you its accurate it like that

[gritty helm]

I'd rather have a choice than be stuck with an ugly combo

[still raptor]

I do think the majority of Ceratopsians do need touch ups

[limber hull]

this combat overhaul ideas sounds more fitting in a medieval combat game like Mordhau than a dino survival game

[paper oriole]

Dinosaur parrying

[jovial hazel]

I feel like the only dino that even comes close to describing is deinosuchus. Maybe carno. If you are just standing there biting you are probably having a bad time in Evrima.

[limber hull]

carno feels like the best fit for running at things and pressing LMB. At least deino alt-bites and uses its lunge

[urban flax]

Dino blocking ? And I thought my ideas for the game were too much fighting game-ish...

Charged attacks are a yikes either
They're already stupid in swordfighting and martial arts games, how would they make any sense in this one ? You can't charge a bite

[honest sparrow]

smash attacks

[barren zephyr]

@hybrid matrix

Its called yi qi

[urban flax]

At first when I started reading the suggestion I thought it was about a proper stagger mechanic, which I would really love, but in fact it was not

[barren zephyr]

Its essentally a bird bat

but it's very tiny

[honest sparrow]

yi qi is too small for the game imo

[paper oriole]

they should just add a glider that is larger like changyuraptor or maybe shanag

[quiet estuary]

While I agree with the combat suggestion guy that certian fights are just facetanking matchups

The thing he suggested doesnt work at all for this game

[quiet estuary]

what is shanag

[honest sparrow]

changyu or balaur are my glider picks

[paper oriole]

highly fragmentary guy who could work as a glider

[quiet estuary]

Baluar is a fun pick

Ah

[paper oriole]

i think balaur is too stocky to be a good glider, but a fictionalized balaur could look good

[honest sparrow]

yes

[quiet estuary]

Baluar irl was a bird

[paper oriole]

he could be an omnivore too

[quiet estuary]

So it flew

[honest sparrow]

if you have a carni and an omni 1

it works just fine

[quiet estuary]

At least the post dromeosaur baluar

[honest sparrow]

balaur was thought to have glided for a time so honestly we could just revert back to that

[quiet estuary]

A gliding baluar in the dromeosaur form would work though

[paper oriole]

the dromeo-esque balaur is the only one that matters

[quiet estuary]

little lad

[paper oriole]

badass quad switchblade claws for momentum climbing plus his gliding, eating treefruit, bugs and small dinos

[quiet estuary]

make baluar a gliding hoatzin

[honest sparrow]

balaur is big enough to work

and be cool

[paper oriole]

he also lived on the island with magy didnt he

[honest sparrow]

its essentially gliding tupan but who cares

[quiet estuary]

I think so mira

[honest sparrow]

think so yeah

[paper oriole]

he can show-up magy as being an actually good animal from midget island

[quiet estuary]

Most smalls there can work outside of the sauropods

[honest sparrow]

hatz is already in, in spirit to an extent in the quetz design

[quiet estuary]

and hatze too

If you ignore clone playable potential that is

[paper oriole]

i mean tupan would be a total frugivore to fit on the herbi roster while balaur is more varied

[honest sparrow]

honestly I'm down for any more flier/glider variety

[quiet estuary]

If tupa were added it should be a flying deinocheirus when it comes to diets

[honest sparrow]

so fuck it

[quiet estuary]

fish and plants

[paper oriole]

they should give quetz a hatz perk that give him a 1000000% damage increase against magy specifically because fuck magy

[quiet estuary]

Plants being fruits though. Instead of algae or whatever

[honest sparrow]

honestly instead of fish tupa should just eat small dinos

gulp em down

[quiet estuary]

Why not both

[barren zephyr]

I agree with this reasonable suggestion

[quiet estuary]

I expect them to at least make magy part of quetz's preferred diet

[honest sparrow]

it should be the only pseudo mid in its diet

[quiet estuary]

Yes, as its the only one it can most likely harm

Big neck = easy target for massive stabbing apparatus

[honest sparrow]

well I wouldn't doubt a quetz could do damage to a cera or teno

[barren zephyr]

Everyone disagrees with me on this for some unknown reason...

[quiet estuary]

It wouldnt nearly as easy

[barren zephyr]

we need playable fish

[honest sparrow]

exactly

[quiet estuary]

Playable muskellunge and catfish

[honest sparrow]

playable fish good

mungle

please

[barren zephyr]

Just like...

The fish in-game now

but playable

[honest sparrow]

yes

which is why mungle

[quiet estuary]

I wouldnt mind fish and other ai creatures things you can play in sandbox and be injected in by admins

[barren zephyr]

In survival

[quiet estuary]

In survival you would be a wasted server slot imo

[barren zephyr]

Its preffered diet is brachis and camas

[quiet estuary]

Which is where the injected by admins on unofficials can come in

[barren zephyr]

I would say a growth time of 5-7 hours at minimum for the sunfish

[quiet estuary]

seems about right

[keen vapor]

@barren zephyr I feel like you might have mistunderstood what alt bites are for. Alt bites are supposed to be 360 degree attacks

[barren zephyr]

Yes but not everything should be able to do a 360 bite let alone a bite. I don’t see a maia turning around to bite someone, same goes for Rex so I feel they should be changed into more than just bites and more cooler mechanics to make Dino’s feel unique

Tenantos isn’t even a bite it’s a claw attack

[white rune]

I mean, you can do it frugivore.

[white rune]

Rhamphorhynchus, Tupandactylus, Thalassodromeus. Those are the flyers I could see in game.

[pliant token]

@fallen path I feel like the upward attack isn't necessary for juveniles because they are often small or fast enough to hide before dying. Besides that, Pteranodons peck really isn't painful and even on juveniles will often require many attempts. Can be both tricky and dangerous to achieve.Because if you fail and get on ground, the fact pteranodons are so squishy, even juvis can kill them easily.

[urban flax]

I can clearly see a rex doing a 180 to deliver a bite, and if teno's alt attack is not a bite, there is no reason to be worried that Maia's alt attack would be one.

[vast wolf]

some of those alt attacks can be on lmb or rmb

its fine if sucho gets an alt attack claw that works like tenontos but rmb should still be a normal claw attack

kentros shoulder bash should be lmb or rmb and work the same way its tail would.

stego was rumored to eventually get full control of its tail using alt but thats not confirmed for sure as far as i know.

[pliant token]

alt attack from ptera should be a grap and they rework its feet

[vast wolf]

ceratos alt attack seems really wonky and if it does no damage it would have to be a long stun with a quick animation.

[pliant token]

tbh pteras should be able to grab dead small bodies

and fly away

[vast wolf]

pteras feet are like having 3 fingers without a thumb and not being able to rotate your wrist.

[pliant token]

and grab hatchlings

[vast wolf]

if it kills them yeah, ptera is not some jp or pce roided out bird.

[urban flax]

Why not just let ptera grab things with its beak like it's supposed to instead of turning it into an eagle ?

[pliant token]

or that

just let it grab

[urban flax]

But not live things

[pliant token]

id say yes for hatchlings

[vast wolf]

it would just be quicker to stab them with its beak and swallow them.

[pliant token]

that's why i said to rework the feet

[urban flax]

Ptera doesn't need the ability to grab things

[vast wolf]

if you change the model you have to re rig it and fix the animations.

[pliant token]

it really does. lol

[urban flax]

No, it's not a hunter

[vast wolf]

if you think ptera needs to use its baby hand feet to grab things then carno needs to jump to the skybox.

[pliant token]

because pteras rn is simply a skimmer and it's just not what it should only be. killing juvis or hatchlings is often not rewarding

[urban flax]

And even if it was, there are other ways to make it able to hunt things that don't involve turning it into a jp clone and have caught players just wait until the ptera finally decides to drop them down to their death

[pliant token]

I said twice they should rework their feet.... are you reading..

[vast wolf]

too bad, thats its niche and how it works. dont like it dont play it.

[pliant token]

ok wtf is wrong w you, I can state opinion

[vast wolf]

rework how? if they edit the model they have to proof check the rig and animations.

[pliant token]

True, as I said, idc if it's the feet or not, just let it grab

[urban flax]

Not live things

[vast wolf]

ptera already can grab juvies if it kills them and they are small enough.

[pliant token]

I'm not talking to you anymore you proved unable to civilize talk.

[vast wolf]

grabbing live animals in game will likely never happen.

[urban flax]

Unless its Deino

[pliant token]

Hatchlings should besides too heavy hatchlings

[vast wolf]

for saying that you shouldent play something you dont like? how full of yourself can you be.

[urban flax]

It's better the way it is currently. If your peck kills it, you grab it, if it doesn't, you don't grab it.

[pliant token]

tbh 3/4 of hatchlings are very small and light. also fast and hard to get to as a pteranodon so it would still be hard to achieve

[pliant token]

exept, you can't grab it

you have to stay on land.

[urban flax]

You can
When you kill something small enough to grab it as a ptera, you do so automatically

[pliant token]

but you can't fly

that's what i'm saying

[urban flax]

Yes you can, as long as you don't land

[vast wolf]

almost every pterosaur has near useless legs for grabbing. only the really small tree dwelling ones have strong legs and maybe some ahzdarchids.

[pliant token]

which is kinda dumb

[urban flax]

And anyway the fix would be to allow ptera to takeoff when it has something in its mouth

[pliant token]

yes, just let it fly away

[vast wolf]

pretty sure ptera can take off with a fish in its mouth.

[urban flax]

Ah maybe it can, you make me wonder

[pliant token]

this guy really isn't on the subject, could he just stop already

[urban flax]

Is it something like it can takeoff but can't jump normally ?

[vast wolf]

im pretty sure during testing for update 3 i was able to take off when i had a fish in my mouth.

[pliant token]

fish are literally the smallest thing in the game so yes they can take-off with them in their mouth, it's legit a fish not a body

so it really isn't the subject

[cyan flame]

And ptera is a fisher, so there's no issue there.

[vast wolf]

most juvies are too large for ptera to fly with anyway unless were talking something smaller than hypsi.

[pliant token]

There is, because then it's a useless dino in the game

[cyan flame]

Ptera is a living spectator cam, it's not meant for combat or killing, nor should it be.

[vast wolf]

yep, ptera is a fisher/scavenger.

[pliant token]

besides, pteras can't scavenge anything because they have to land in other dinos

and stealing meat is impossible in this game

[vast wolf]

once again, if you dont like the way its meant to be played and cant accept it dont play it as theres nothing wrong with ptera except its peck hitbox being very hard to punish.

[cyan flame]

I think you're supposed to find unguarded bodies.. :p

[pliant token]

it takes like 10 sec before the game realises the grabbing

[pliant token]

that really isn't existing.

[vast wolf]

yep, use your easy movment to fly around and find bodys that have no other animals nearby.

[cyan flame]

It's a survival game. Excitement generally means damage and death, it's not desireable.

[pliant token]

my comment was about unguarded body so I don't understand that reply to it

[cyan flame]

Oh.. wait, I misread

[vast wolf]

if you find a body in the open and theres nothing around its all yours. otherwise dont mess with the other animals because most can kill you.

[pliant token]

People always guard their bodies unless a biger threat comes and steal it.

[vast wolf]

some people starve or dehydrate

[cyan flame]

Apologies, I misread that as exciting, not existing. Though I'm pretty sure you can find relatively safe bodies if you look around, at least I have managed from the ground as carno.

[vast wolf]

lots of people die in less populated areas.

[pliant token]

In 300 hours of play in evrima, never did I found any safe corpse.

[urban flax]

I did in 20 hours

[vast wolf]

i did in like 3

[pliant token]

the "safe" ones will often be people that fell from hills in the waterà

[cyan flame]

Well, I've had luck at least, so it's doable, even for a carno or utah if you need it

[pliant token]

water*

I'm just going to block the annoying dude

[cyan flame]

But you still got fish as ptera, so you're a very survivable critter. Fish, flight, can probs find the safest spots for water at that

[pliant token]

yeah the fishing is fine, which is why i didnt talk about that in the first place

[vast wolf]

imagine blocking someone for telling you why your idea dosent work.

[pliant token]

and it wasnt in my stated opinion at all

[cyan flame]

I don't think ptera needs to be combat capable, it's not meant to be, and grabbing specifically seems to have issues if we're talking live people.

[vast wolf]

ptera is probably the easiest animal to survive as right now.

[pliant token]

a quick stab with their beak is pointless as their attack is already a quick peck

[cyan flame]

Same as when people want baby carrying and stuff

[pliant token]

thats 0 what I opinionated tho

[urban flax]

Isn't grabbing living things a combat ability ?

[cyan flame]

Then what was it about? Cause when I got in here, it was talk about ptera feet and grabbing stuff?

So forgive me if I missed something, but you guys were talking about if pteras could use their feet for stuff :p

[pliant token]

it's not really fight to me but if you imply it as a fighting ability, go on. Tho, pteras already have fighting capability. So idk why you would say it shouldn't have any

[cyan flame]

They do, and they shouldn't have :p Any more than dryos should

[urban flax]

It shouldn't have any more than what it already has

[vast wolf]

that was my issue too. they way they said it made it seem like they wanted ptera to either pick up things like in pce and for it to get edits to its model so it could.

[pliant token]

why would they imply a dino to do nothing

[cyan flame]

You're not doing nothing, you're surviving? :p

[urban flax]

It doesn't do nothing since it already has combat capabilities

[pliant token]

not really

[pliant token]

im was responding to : they should have none

[vast wolf]

ptera is very hard to punish for a lot of the current roster as it can peck you from the air.

[pliant token]

I*

[urban flax]

There is a huge gap between being viable in combat and being able to just grab your opponent and carry it anywhere you want

[vast wolf]

now your just confusing me. do you want ptera to be able to kill things or not?

[pliant token]

I don't think anyone realise how a hatchling is extremely small and actually hard to reach and often they can just hide lmfao

[cyan flame]

Well I personally don't think they should have combat capability, any more than they have, and the flying peck is questionable as it is. You got great survivability and already potential as scouts at that (and that's a whole other issue).

If you see a small hatchling/juvie out on the field, land and peck it? :p

[vast wolf]

good thing ptera is faster and its beak reaches way farther and its useless legs.

[pliant token]

Their peck deals no dmg tbh so the dino isn't doing much w it

[cyan flame]

I think ptera peck can kill small stuff, especially with alt peck, if that does more damage

[urban flax]

What's the point of having the ability to grab them if you can't do it in the end ?

[cyan flame]

Don't they have like 50N damage?

[pliant token]

in it's own, the ptera already isn't doing anything

[urban flax]

Yes, precisely

[pliant token]

you're being purposefully dense at this point.

[vast wolf]

pteras can 4 shot fresh spawn deinos. they do about 25-30 damage a peck.

[pliant token]

50N as adult but 50N is really a pointless amount of dmg

[cyan flame]

Not if you're hunting juvies/hatchlings like you said

[pliant token]

besides a fresh utah or dryo you won't kill anything one shot

[cyan flame]

You don't need to oneshot a baby stego, where is it going to go anyway? :p

[vast wolf]

they blocked me for telling them to not play ptera if they dont like that it cant fight things or if it dosent fit what they want in a playable.

[cyan flame]

Land, peck, run around it, peck some more, it dies?

[urban flax]

I know, I've read the entire convo

[pliant token]

you compare one of the biggest hatchling to the smallest, y'all really can't discuss a subject lol

[cyan flame]

You were the one that said the rest can't be oneshot..

I'm just pointing out you don't need to oneshot them

[vast wolf]

flamebait alert

[pliant token]

teno, carno, etc

theyre not straight up deino

[cyan flame]

Yes, they probably still die in a few pecks

[urban flax]

Ptera shouldn't hunt juvie tenos and carnos

[cyan flame]

Where's the issue here, you can follow then, most likely run after them and peck em

[urban flax]

They're absolutely out of its weight class

[vast wolf]

ptera for sure 2-4 shots any juvie thats not stego.

[pliant token]

in the teaser they junt a juvi stego, wtf lmao.

[urban flax]

And probably too heavy to be carried anyway

[cyan flame]

Not juvies, but hatchlings I would guess

[pliant token]

hunt*

[cyan flame]

I.. don't think taking teasers as ingame play is a good idea

[pliant token]

pteranodon should be able to kill any hatchling quite easily.

[vast wolf]

there were also a lot of them.

[urban flax]

no

[cyan flame]

Most of the time trailers and teasers are... well, set up :p

[urban flax]

Ptera. Is not. A hunter.

[cyan flame]

Since we don't know how much health a hatchling tenonto or carno have, it's hard to say, but I don't imagine they can last that many pecks from an adult ptera honestly

I'm sure someone could go test that out, see how many pecks it takes to body to kill a late stage hatchling/fresh juvie of all the species

It's most likely doable, especially if you got a partner with you

[vast wolf]

i think carno and teno have around 60 hp as fresh spawns atm. utah has 20-23 and dryo has like 15.

those are weight nvm.

[pliant token]

Pteranodon should be able to kill any hatchling quite easily. 1 shot utah and dryo, 2 shot teno and carno, 3 deino and stego. It should be able to fly away with it's dead hatchling even after landing if it's not stego or deino. It should be able to skim/steal meat chunks from corpses. I said what I said 🙂

[urban flax]

Haha still believing weight is hp in 2021 cringe

[urban flax]

Well the only thing I can say now is, good thing you're not in charge of the game's balance
You should try Beasts of Bermuda tho, you might like it

[pliant token]

the game isn't balanced. so

[vast wolf]

fliers in bob are so dumb.

[cyan flame]

Well, got that right, the game has all sorts of balance issues :p

[urban flax]

It is quite well balanced for an early beta

[vast wolf]

only thigs that need balancing right now are deino, stego and utah. everything else is pretty much fine.

[pliant token]

So that comment was only pejorative

[jovial hazel]

BoB is the reason why I hope the devs don't even come look at these feedback channels tbh.

[vast wolf]

bobs balance and growth system are super scuffed

[pliant token]

BoB is trash lol

[jovial hazel]

Couple good feedbacks, but 95% are laughable.

[urban flax]

But pteras can grab and kill any hatchling easily in BoB, even sauropods
Just like you want

[vast wolf]

stego with full control of its tail, deinos alt bite costing stamina and its lunge draning stamina based on weight. utahs bite damage being decreased for a little while to see if it can still hunt.

its still so dumb that tropes can fly off with .6 or so apatos in bob.

[pliant token]

Does that not make the game trash?

[vast wolf]

2.0 tropes with the right tallents are hell.

[pliant token]

I mean, it's still trash

not because a single feature is nice that the game isn't trash

[urban flax]

It exactly does. That's why everyone in this conversation except you is against it.

[pliant token]

Nah you didn't understand

it's ok

[jovial hazel]

It's trash because they listened too much to the playerbase to appeal to them, in turn ruining their own game in the long run.

[vast wolf]

if they make another claim like that just stop talking to them bub, they clearly dont care about valid points.

[jovial hazel]

For some reason people just want to make everything easy. Easy is not fun.

[pliant token]

Nah it's just trashly looking with trash animation and trash playstyle. That's all

Exept what I implied isn't easy.

[jovial hazel]

I'm not even referring to your request, just in general

[vast wolf]

they are either flamebaiting or are just too ignorant to listen to valid points.

[pliant token]

Ok.

All I see is blocked message from the other guy and it makes me giggle everytime

[vast wolf]

[urban flax]

You shouldn't giggle because what they are saying is actually pretty scary

[vast wolf]

[vast wolf]

now that made me smile.

[pliant token]

tbh is a hatchling play intelligently it would instantly hide when seeing a ptera, in a brush a ptera can't do much. and at this HP pool a ptera has, even a hatchling can kill it so landing is a bad idea anyway. So at the end, it wouldn't be easy. and as everything can one shot a hatchling beside a ptera, ptera should have the capabilities I implied earlier agaisnt hatchlings. Because that's the purpose of hatchlings, can be easily killed by anything around them.

[pliant token]

I'm not surprised

Manchild at it's finest

When I play a hatchling I legit hide 80% of the time because ik everything can kill me. Sure thang. if someone plays badly enough to stand still in a field, they'll die, that's all.

[urban flax]

What does that even have to do with making ptera the predator it isn't supposed to be ?

[pliant token]

because pteras should be a threat to hatchlings

[urban flax]

They are already

[pliant token]

not really

[solar peak]

yes really

[pliant token]

not really.

[urban flax]

They are a threat to baby dryos, baby utahs, other baby pteras, and even full adult hypsis

[vast wolf]

ptera is a threat to every hatchling because none of them deal enough damage to scare it off

[urban flax]

I don't see what more do you want form them

[pliant token]

as you can't fly away with them. It really isn't

[urban flax]

According to some people, they can even take out juvie deinos

[vast wolf]

ptera can easily kill a fresh spawn deino

[pliant token]

I can take them out yes if the juvi deino is dumb enough not to hide underwater

[urban flax]

If you can't fly away with them, that means they're too heavy for you to carry

[pliant token]

No

[urban flax]

Are you sure you know how the game works ? Because you can carry anything light enough

[vast wolf]

a 90 killogram animal cant take off with a 30 kilogram animal.

[pliant token]

not take off with them

[urban flax]

And if you can't you can rip off flesh chunks anyway

[pliant token]

ik exactly how pteras work, ty

[urban flax]

Because they're too heavy

[vast wolf]

ptera can really only fly with small fish or baby dryos

[pliant token]

apparently you didnt know you can't take off w em that's all

[urban flax]

Because I don't hunt things that are too big for me

Why do you think ptera is so good at fishing ?

[pliant token]

and you assume for ?

[urban flax]

I'm not assuming things. If something is light enough for you to carry you can carry it. If it's too heavy and you can't carry it you don't hunt it.

It's... common sense ?

[pliant token]

carry yes, take off no, idk how many times i have to repeat it

[urban flax]

Take off while carrying, that's implied

[pliant token]

you can't

[urban flax]

You can with fishes, and according to gharial, baby dryos too

[vast wolf]

pteras not strong enough to lift large meals.

[urban flax]

Everything you're supposed to kill

[pliant token]

who is gharial, the manchild ?

[vast wolf]

i havent tested baby dryos but they seem possible.

[urban flax]

No, it's the person you muted

[pliant token]

exactly, the manchild

[vast wolf]

[pliant token]

except, fishes aren't hatchlings so it's out of subject

[urban flax]

Why so ?

[vast wolf]

im so tempted to get a mod in here to yell at them.

[pliant token]

because that has never been a single point or ounce the subject

[vast wolf]

fish are a baseline for weight.

[pliant token]

once*

[urban flax]

I didn't read anywhere that ptera is meant to kill hatchlings
I thought fishers were meant to eat fish

[pliant token]

since the beginning I'm talking about hatchlings and yall talk about fish

they literally are tho lmfao

[urban flax]

Yes, because the conversation led to them

[vast wolf]

also if someone wants to debate outside evidence is needed.

[pliant token]

no, you led to it

I never did

[vast wolf]

otherwise its opinion.

[pliant token]

because it's literally NOT the point

[urban flax]

Your point is that pteras should be able to kill any hatchling easily. Which isn't exactly its intended niche.

[haughty forge]

Ptera rn don't need to transport babies they are already a threat big enought to not become a real cancer into the isle

[pliant token]

Since the beginning my take is about pteranodons capabilities agaisnt hatchlings and you just are talking about fish non-stop

[urban flax]

Because fish are a main part of ptera's gameplay

[vast wolf]

quetz's niche is to hunt small game/hatchlings/scavenge

[urban flax]

Since they are its most evident prey

[pliant token]

Still not the point

Still not the subject.

[urban flax]

Ok explain what's your point then, maybe I'm just too dumb to understand

[pliant token]

I did many times.

[vast wolf]

@edgy harbor care to take a look at @pliant token

[urban flax]

Explain it one more time

[vast wolf]

smells like flamebait.

[pliant token]

But yall come back with carrying fish for no reasons

[urban flax]

You should ping the role rather than a specific mod

[vast wolf]

🤷‍♂️

[pliant token]

I'm sincerely tired of maintaining my point to a bunch of people with questionable comprehension skills about it. I repeated myself many many times and never did anyone make anything related to the point more than : pteras are fishers and are cancer.

[urban flax]

Yes I have questionable comprehension skills, if you say so. That's why you should explain clearly.

[pliant token]

He's tagging mods to show them how he's just being telling me to stfu about it and stop playing ? even tho I never complained and just opinionated my ideas.

[pliant token]

I did.

[urban flax]

Isn't it apparent enough that I didn't understand well ? Since obviously I answered out of your point every time

[vast wolf]

im fine with someone arguing with me but if someone starts being rude to multiple people like this i cant stand it.

[pliant token]

"Pteranodon should be able to kill any hatchling quite easily. 1 shot utah and dryo, 2 shot teno and carno, 3 deino and stego. It should be able to fly away with it's dead hatchling even after landing if it's not stego or deino. It should be able to skim/steal meat chunks from corpses. I said what I said 🙂"

"tbh is a hatchling play intelligently it would instantly hide when seeing a ptera, in a brush a ptera can't do much. and at this HP pool a ptera has, even a hatchling can kill it so landing is a bad idea anyway. So at the end, it wouldn't be easy. and as everything can one shot a hatchling beside a ptera, ptera should have the capabilities I implied earlier agaisnt hatchlings. Because that's the purpose of hatchlings, can be easily killed by anything around them."

copied pasted

[urban flax]

Heh, I'm used to being talked to like this

[urban flax]

Oh it's that ? I'm pretty sure I answered right when I said pteras shouldn't be able to kill any hatchling easily because its main diet is not any hatchling but fish
Its abilities should correlate with what it needs to do, not what a random player wants to do with it

[vast wolf]

^

[haughty forge]

I love better ptera being an annoyance more than a real big threat, their capacity to fly is already a great power

[pliant token]

Besides, Pteranodons has been annonced as a good threath to hatchlings

[vast wolf]

killing juvies/small animals is for quetz.

[pliant token]

and I'm implying how it should be a threath

[urban flax]

It is already tho

[haughty forge]

a good ptera is already a threat

[urban flax]

Ptera can even threaten adult deinos

[pliant token]

"and I'm implying how it should be a threath"

[urban flax]

It really doesn't need an addiotionnal ability against hatchlings

[vast wolf]

ptera at most should be going after unguarded nests or fresh spawn low tiers.

[pliant token]

Your opinion. Not mine.

[urban flax]

Well this conversation is going nowhere and I launched a game, so I'm going to quit now
Good luck with comprehending Nagini's opinions guys

[odd sedge]

Another suggestion with letting Ptera grab things with their feet.
For gods sake people, Ptera feet are not made for that.
It's a fleshy flip flop with three toes

[pliant token]

We already talked about it. it's too late to get that back in again.

[vast wolf]

that is literally what i brought up first.

[haughty forge]

Yes was nice to see in jurassic park but it's not hawk's claws :/

[pliant token]

The feet were already discussed. People are just coming in the subject extremely late.

[haughty forge]

ok so let me ask you something

can the ptera transport a dead juv corpse rn?

[pliant token]

they cannot take-off w hatchlings

[haughty forge]

answer is no then can't alive ones

[pliant token]

They can carry however on land many things

[haughty forge]

but is too heavy to take off so it was decided that it can't grab and let it fell down from the beginning

[vast wolf]

ptera really cant fly with much extra weight.

[pliant token]

but many hatchlings should be a thing you can take-off with

[vast wolf]

a 90 kg animal is not taking off with anything above 10 kg.

[pliant token]

This channel isn't about "the game is like that so deal with it" but about what should be changed.

[haughty forge]

there is many things that dinos ingame should not be able to do, realist or not we must think also about the balance of the game

transporting hatchling will be cancer as hell

[pliant token]

how is being a bigger threat to hatchlings unbalanced

they are suppose to be an easy target to everything

[vast wolf]

ptera is already the most survivable animal. it dosent need anything else and if anything could loose its air peck.

[pliant token]

idk who hes talking to besides himself

[haughty forge]

Why give any dino the power to one shot somebody that just spawn behing slightly larger than them?

Full utah vs juv why not

full ptera? nah

[pliant token]

because they don't spawn slitghly same size

[vast wolf]

now they are just spitting bs at you joking. dont even bother with them.

[pliant token]

full adult ptera size >>>>>>> hatchling utah size

[vast wolf]

23kg-90kg.

[pliant token]

Does he knows I can just show his messages, take screenshots and send them.

[haughty forge]

yes this conversation is sterile, plus, I'm pretty sure the devs won't change their mind about this so...

[pliant token]

Sterile indeed.

People won't just have a counterpoint and it infuriate them when it happen to them.

"it's going nowhere" simply because I don't agree

People either want you to totally agree with them or else it's puerile, useless and not an interesting subject. When in the beginning, nobody asked them to give their opinion about mine.

[safe galleon]

I'd love to be oneshot as a deino by stego who got a lucky hit on me 😎

[bold palm]

ya well the game needs attention to hit boxes and this sort of thing big time anyway, but if they get it to work correctly and there isn't major issues with lag causing false positives having specfic spots would take skill to hit and hopefully less people would just face plow everything they come into contact with.

[safe galleon]

weakspots are already a thing and help combat

[bold palm]

right, but if you bite a stegos head off it should die one shot

[safe galleon]

getting 1 shot in a fight is just unfair and no one wants that to happen to you

[bold palm]

or you hit a deino in the head with a spike or the heart or lungs.

major damage or insta kill

right, but maybe they should run instead of trying to fight?

[safe galleon]

ok so head, heart and lungs, that is basically the entire front of deino

[bold palm]

as it is now everyone afk grows and then once adult goes out and tries to plow everything they can

[safe galleon]

so should the entire front half of deino be one big oneshot zone?

[swift dew]

sure it might make sense, but it is really stupid to loose 5 hours of progress in the blink of an eye

[bold palm]

yeah it would be, so prob best to stay hidden and not pick fights with dinos that can kill you like that

or group up

[swift dew]

[bold palm]

and ya they have it in the game, just need to fine tune and balance stuff out

[swift dew]

the game then becomes whoever hits the opponents weakspot wins

[bold palm]

get hit boxes working good

[bold palm]

you'd need to learn to protect yourself

[safe galleon]

balance stuff out by making things one shot you?

[bold palm]

ya i'd like to play the game skillfully not just afk grow go murder shit

[swift dew]

[bold palm]

and if some smart ass wants to do that, i'd like to be skilled enough to murder him in one hit cuz he's dumb 🙂

[low canopy]

one shots within same weight class should never be a thing, its cheesy, unfair, not to mention hitboxes themselves are so atrocious that you'd get a "heart" hit from ass

[bold palm]

pff unfair

life is not fair bud

[swift dew]

good thing this is a game and not life

[bold palm]

right with focus on realism and survival duh

[low canopy]

well good luck losing your 7+ hour growth in one second

[safe galleon]

real life does not equal game

[bold palm]

I wont' because I won't be dumb enough to go out and get killed.

[swift dew]

not even

lmao sure

[safe galleon]

so should a rex be one shot by a stego tail to the heart?

[bold palm]

yep

[safe galleon]

aight Im done

[bold palm]

that's real life you take a shot to the heart you're dead right

[swift dew]

video game

[safe galleon]

ma'am this is a game

[low canopy]

realism will never make good gameplay

[bold palm]

so if a human shoots a rex in the heart the rex should be cool to keep going?

or the brain?

[safe galleon]

yeah

[bold palm]

pff

[swift dew]

yes, its called game balance

[bold palm]

well that's def not realism

[swift dew]

ah yes, the game known for its great realism

[safe galleon]

ya, because it's a game

[bold palm]

whatever, the fighting in the game is no skill face plow nonsense as it stands. I just hope they can make it more engaging and realistic somehow.

[low canopy]

what else do you expect from a game where you run around spamming left click

[bold palm]

i expect I guess a better game considering it's 2021 and not 1995.

[limber hull]

dino saur

the ancestors effect represents fear but wont really hinder the player

ive played that game, while yes, it acts as a deterrent from certain areas, this is due to the fact that it considerably weakens your character

in the Isle, having scary faces pop out at you wont hinder you much in combat

[hybrid matrix]

about the sweet spot thing, i think it should be handled very carefully, because it makes sense for certain scenarios, but if its off by a tiny bit then its rlly rlly bad

so these supposed "sweet spots" would have to be very small, and very hard to hit

and they shouldnt be an insta kill because then you have legacy but in a different way

every dino should probably only have 1 sweet spot, the jugular

why only one?
because this is a very dangerous idea

[urban flax]

@hybrid matrix Isn't a specific throat multiplier already planned anyway ?

[hybrid matrix]

idk, but if it is, then i hope they are very careful with it

[urban flax]

I was thinking of something btw
Throat should take the same amount of damage as the head, but twice the bleed

[hybrid matrix]

that makes a ton of sense

go on

or is that it

[urban flax]

That's just this
Well every body part could have a specific multiplier for every type of damage

Like pachy's head would be extremely fracture resistant

[hybrid matrix]

@chilly matrix you should include your sources so that people know where you got your info from

[chilly matrix]

oh k will add it

[hybrid matrix]

i meant links

[chilly matrix]

ahh k

[hybrid matrix]

and with the paleotalk convo, u should link the first message in said convo

[chilly matrix]

kk

@hybrid matrix did it

[hybrid matrix]

👍

[ashen elm]

Can't you just mute the channel for not being pinged?

[hybrid matrix]

nope

u still get pinged

[desert tendon]

@silver zephyr do you not want the old dryo design?

[silver zephyr]

no

[latent cave]

@maiden anvil deinochi is not a swan, and our current knowledge of its diet is that it ate a lot of fish, and likely ate plants due to its bill shape, however there is no solid evidence for this

[haughty forge]

@urban flax throat hitbox is already a thing

You take a little more damage than the head

[latent cave]

As in many animals can be found with fossilized plant matter in their guts, this is so far no the case with deinochi

[feral solstice]

The 4 call sounds like a scared call lmao

The 3 call is the threaten call

[grave wind]

@icy lion That was not a joke, that was feedback - just wrapped in a humorous package...

[jaunty creek]

@feral solstice depends on the community cause there will not be Sandbox servers anymore on Evrima, the reason I think its best to leave it for the server owner is cause its there server that they bought and keep running so they should have the option to choose to have global chat open or not, if they are shooting for realism then it should be added still cause Animals talk with each other in real life and not just to the same species so it should still be the same in game

[feral solstice]

The sandboxes will be in Evrima

Also animals do not “talk” with each other. They make vocal sounds which they are “biologically accustomed” to understanding.

Global chat was also hella toxic, and broke immersion.

[paper oriole]

I liked the toxic global honestly

But yeah it should only be in sandbox for events and deathmatches

[jaunty creek]

it is Toxic I will admit that but again it depends on the server

why not just leave it to where if the owner bought the rights to own a server they should be able to do what they want with it..to some extent

[paper oriole]

I liked when i killed some dumb apex juvie and id see them pop up in global crying about it

[jaunty creek]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

i could understand get getting annoyed about losing an adult apex, but a juvie? its mildly annoying even if its the 10th try where you died

[paper oriole]

If it just makes a comeback for sandbox i'd be satisfied though, because there is 0 immersion to be had there anyway

[paper oriole]

Best part is a lot of these juvies that cried were the ones who spam broadcasted and then friendly called me when i approached

Like they were asking to be lunch

[hybrid matrix]

yeah hahah ahah aha laughs in definitely wasnt ever doing this ever

[paper oriole]

“Omggg why did you attack me i was friendly????”

[hybrid matrix]

couldnt ever have been me at one point

[paper oriole]

Lmao perhaps

Ive done it too but im fine when i die because of it

Because its basically a dinner bell

[jaunty creek]

so yea cause there are some servers out there that have text chat Rules, but they want text chat where everyone talks cause its easier to keep track of them and to catch Rule Breakers

so again what is wrong with leaving it to the server owner on having Global chat or not having it?

[paper oriole]

If there was a symbol next to servers that had it enabled i can see no reason for people to complain, guess the devs just don’t want survival being used that way at all because it goes against their idea of what the game should play like

But it being allowed in sandbox only seems to be a united agreement in the community, hopefully the devs at least allow that so servers can hold events and deathmatches easier

[jaunty creek]

again what is wrong with leaving it to the server owner on having Global chat or not having it, if they Bought a license to have a server why not let them be able to choose?

[paper oriole]

For some reason people think it would ruin their gameplay even if they can choose to not play on servers with it enabled beats me

[jaunty creek]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

the way how I see it if people are going to be talking and Giving away there position why not have a global chat so they give it away at their own risk

makes Carni Live easier

[paper oriole]

Upvoting your own suggestion

[hasty dagger]

Teno is the most balanced animal rn

[paper oriole]

No it's not balanced until my jp roleplay raptor can facetank it!!!1!

[cyan flame]

What tenonto would use bite in a facetank anyway when the clawswipe is there.. :p

[jade schooner]

Tenonto biting reminds me of horse bites. It can go so bad

[feral solstice]

How the fuck do “most people” agree that it’s too strong?

Last I checked, lots of people agree it’s BALANCED

[quiet estuary]

Tenos in a pretty fine place atm

But reducing its bite doesnt really seem like much of an issue. Doesnt seem to make much sense to me a tenonto can facetank a utah with purely bites and win imo
Especially since you have the claw to do much more damage in this kind of situation and that any teno who purely uses bites will die anyways.

[meager tiger]

its not upvoting your own suggestion. It's courtesy of putting the reactions for the first voter. Unless of course the OP didn't put a downvote...

@barren zephyr Chicken sized raptor a good swimmer? I was with you untill this part. Its litteraly got twigs for legs, probably drown easily since its just a bunch of skinny limbs and torso. Its also got no feathers (unless they are adding the feather variant) so no air capturing. Little compy sized raptors are not meant for water or ocean. Just a easy snack for fish or other water reptiles

You might wanna find a different animal for a beach rat

how about a snake or something

sea snakes?

[barren zephyr]

You could argue the same thing to hypsi how it has twig legs yet it swims really fast. Also no snakes are being added besides titanaboa

[meager tiger]

hypsi has feathers. Will velo have feathers?

[barren zephyr]

It could

[meager tiger]

and hypsi doesnt go in the water that often

you are suggesting a beach main enviroment

hypsi lives on dry land

[paper oriole]

he upvoted his own suggestion after others downvoted it, so no

people who plop an up and down vote on their own suggestion are fine

[barren zephyr]

I’m not saying it has to swim all the time, but just every little bit when it needs to swim out to the pteranodons to prey upon them

[meager tiger]

this animals main habitat is beaches though?

idk i just feel like we could find a better beach rat

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but it can also feed on crabs and juvi creatures that wander there and hunt them as packs

I mean devs talked about giving Utah a feather option so velo could too

[meager tiger]

well yes but utah lives on the land primarily.

[paper oriole]

hearing bonus for ava sounds kind of random

[meager tiger]

a beach is semi aquatic at best

[barren zephyr]

I got the idea from how startled Ava got in legacy

Something doesn’t need to be semi aquatic to swim fast

[meager tiger]

how about some insectivore smaller teradactyls

[barren zephyr]

And it’s not tied to the water. It’s just an option

[meager tiger]

well you said stick legged velo should swim fast

[barren zephyr]

It can stay on the beach and feed on crabs or swim out to the pteranodons for bigger prey

[meager tiger]

implying its evovled or adpated to do this often

even though that makes no sense

its a bird dino

[barren zephyr]

Ok I don’t mean it does this all the time. It’s just a part of its life it can do but is not necessary

If we made hypsi a beach related one the argument still stands how it has twig legs

[meager tiger]

why not just a new a.i

[barren zephyr]

Because devs already stated only scrapped Dino is pue

[meager tiger]

what

[barren zephyr]

so velo will come to evrima

Do you mean just make velo ai or make a new one entirely

[meager tiger]

wait velo will be playable?

[barren zephyr]

Yes

It might not be in official but it will in on unofficial servers

[paper oriole]

even compy is planned to be playable

[barren zephyr]

In unofficial servers

Yes

[meager tiger]

ok, well this whole beach idea might be a bit much. the devs got a load of semi aquatics and velo will just kicked out of the beach easily in like every catergory

velo is small

fast

[barren zephyr]

Semi aquatics that we have don’t go to the beach, they stay in rivers, swamps, and lakes

[meager tiger]

should be good at hiding

running

chasing smaller things

wouldnt velo be compys predator

?

[barren zephyr]

Velo and compy are around the same size

[quiet estuary]

they arent

[barren zephyr]

Velo is bigger but close enough

[meager tiger]

velos more viscious

compy are scavngers mainly

[quiet estuary]

compy is basically a juvenile velociraptor

[paper oriole]

velo would oneshot a compy, they arent close

[meager tiger]

velo should be the predator of compys if you ask me

[paper oriole]

nah velo and proto should be rivals honestly

[quiet estuary]

I doubt they can do anything for velo outside of small utah
and maybe tree climbing or burrow invading

[meager tiger]

like a teradactyl is just gonna swoop down and instakill a velo

on the beach

EZ

[paper oriole]

literally anything tiny can hunt compies

teradactyl ..

[quiet estuary]

lol

[meager tiger]

teradactyl already harrases juvie carnos and raptors

[vale pawn]

terabytectyl

[quiet estuary]

Yes pteranodon does harass them

[meager tiger]

burrow invading

now thats a idea

[paper oriole]

not really, any small predator will probably bust into burrows

[meager tiger]

well velo is small but viscious

more than compy

[paper oriole]

maybe velos can do it better but it isnt anything special

[meager tiger]

its like a cracked up rooster

with teeth

[quiet estuary]

Velo should just be a permanent juvenile utah
with a particular love for killing proto as it did irl

[meager tiger]

compys just a small rat that runs around

looking for scraps

[paper oriole]

they should take the momentum climb from utah's concept and give it to velo instead because utah has 0 need for that shit, and make velo an all-terrain jack of all trades sort of small pred

[meager tiger]

no water

everything else

good

[paper oriole]

personally dont even count water as terrain

velo has no reason to be swimming

[quiet estuary]

Basilisk lizard velo lol

[meager tiger]

its a easy target from both air and water a chicken swimming around

[paper oriole]

lol i made a basilisk lizard masiaka suggestion ages back

[quiet estuary]

Anything basilisk lizard would be hilarious to see

[meager tiger]

hell even a camper could just wait on the beach waiting for it to come back due to stamina loss

or drown

[quiet estuary]

Ducks run on the waters surface. Perfect beipi ability 100%

[meager tiger]

Add wasp nest

potetnial food source but it fights back

[paper oriole]

you mean bee hives

[meager tiger]

or bee nest

wasp and bees

has honey and grubs

but they bees will get angry

i keep seeing termite mound ideas

so wasps and bees are good fit

[paper oriole]

pretty sure wasps dont make honey lol

[meager tiger]

they got grubs

[paper oriole]

it would just be eating bugs that damage you

[vale pawn]

wasps just exist and sting stuff

[paper oriole]

not worth it

[meager tiger]

fine

Bees

[paper oriole]

not worth raiding a wasp nest for tiny grubs

[meager tiger]

thats honey

bears, badgers, shitload of things invade bees

honey is pure sugar

lots of energy

never decays

termites fight too?

[paper oriole]

not really

[meager tiger]

I aint sticking my hand in a termite mound

[paper oriole]

termite mounds would work

and those tree ants

[meager tiger]

tree ants

like those farmer ants

that carry leaves

[paper oriole]

yeah theres some ants that make leaf nests in trees

[meager tiger]

for mushrooms

[paper oriole]

maybe some omnivore can eat the wads with leaves and ants in it

[meager tiger]

wait arent scales more resistance to bees

?

[paper oriole]

This shit

And idk bees can sting between scales

And on the face and eyes

[meager tiger]

add logs

to hide in

but they can be moved

[zinc rivet]

Why do people make gameplay and balance suggestions for creatures that have not been worked towards ingame implementation at all

it seems silly to me to suggest attacks and stats and shit when we don't actually know what the devs have planned for it

[hoary dawn]

to try to influence what the devs do with it before there is a set in stone idea

[paper oriole]

By the time the devs themselves decide a niche, model, abilities etc it is pretty unlikely they’ll actually take player imput on it so people try doing it early

Also rewarding people for kills by raising their stats kinds encourages KFS deathmatch type gameplay so maybe not the greatest thing to do

[tight lantern]

A "Things/Concepts you'd most like to see" channel where Devs share bounced-around ideas and we can up-vote or down-vote to prioritize would be ideal and easy feedback for them as well in that regard.

[paper oriole]

It could be neat also if devs had a read-only channel where they could put feedback they’re actually interested in/considering so the feedback channel doesn’t seem so ignored

[tight lantern]

@glad dirge I like that, and largely I agree. Passive abilities should far supersede that of active and I can agree that this is the best path/direction to take.

[glad dirge]

👍

[limber hull]

who in gods name wants a game where everyone can stun everyone

[molten tulip]

Dark souls zweihander 1v1s

[paper oriole]

Does this guy want theropods to have a tail swing stun attack?

The only thing they'd be stunning is them self when they topple over because they use their tail for balance

Imagine the cancerous combat where everyone can apply stuns

[compact hare]

I've seen that somewhere... || ||

[honest sparrow]

stunlocks are never fun

like ever

[quiet estuary]

I wouldnt mind if all animals had some stunning capability
In the case of like, if you run into an animal far larger than yourself you get knocked over

but at least this would be your own fault for example

[paper oriole]

I can see gettinf run over by larger sprinting animals give a stun+the trample damage to the small guys too, but not an attack

[quiet estuary]

That also works

[paper oriole]

Getting run over by something larger or faceplanting into it is typically your own fault too

[quiet estuary]

Most stun abilities are already at the fault of the player getting stunned
Charge is if your blind
Tail slam if you dodge poorly

these other "passive" stuns would be similar

[kindred flare]

@barren zephyr animals like rex, giga etc could run. giga especially could run quite fast. so i dont suggest a new animation to make them not run, rather give them weight as their animations look like they are hovering along the ground at 20kg

[odd sedge]

The production on new dinosaurs doesn't have to be paused?
Since when are animators and sound designers responsible for bug fixing?

[honest sparrow]

since now

[odd sedge]

I don't get people saying that the devs should focus on bug fixing and stuff before working on new creatures.
But what's the issue? If an animator has nothing to do, they should work on a new creature to shorten the time to the next update

[urban flax]

Most people have a very limited knowledge of the way game development works

[limber hull]

id imagine that, yes, animators could likely move to the next creature after finishing pachy or whatever it is they are working on, but that doesn't mean that programmers can do that, since programming is difficult work, especially with the several features they want added

[haughty forge]

I think a lot of animations are already done, thing is now they have to put all of that in the game with the mecanics that go with it.

[paper oriole]

Is this guy saying alberto should run at 50km/h

[chilly matrix]

its a proven fact ? it could be lower or higher depending on it

[paper oriole]

Also upvoting your own suggestion

[chilly matrix]

i mean if i didnt like my own suggestion i wouldnt post it would i ?

[paper oriole]

What is the purpose of posting dino facts if it doesn't correlate to their stats in game?

Checkmarking your own suggestion is like patting yourself on the back lol

[chilly matrix]

like i said i gave source you just tell me something YOU believe give me reliable source and i'll change it

[chilly matrix]

dont care

[paper oriole]

??? What?

Source on fuckin what lmao

[chilly matrix]

are you blind ?

[paper oriole]

Alberto shouldnt be 50km/h in the isle so why put it in feedback

[chilly matrix]

dude i basically only stated in real life things

[paper oriole]

For what though

[chilly matrix]

they want to be realistic or rather accurate as possible

[paper oriole]

I could go into feedback and be like hey deinosuchus has a 50000 or whatever newton biteforce and it would mean nothing

Because gameplay > realism

[chilly matrix]

so i tried to give them some suggestions

[chilly matrix]

yeah if in game it was wrong yeah sure post it

[paper oriole]

It would be busted as shit if it ran at 50km/h it isnt a small tier hunter like carno

[paper oriole]

Ok but why would i post it

[chilly matrix]

cause the devs want to be accurate ?

[paper oriole]

No they dont

[chilly matrix]

eh ye ? sure some things have to be balanced but they try to

[paper oriole]

They literally change some dinos anatomy to make them more fictionalized

Utahraptor springs around like a kangaroo that shit isnt accurate

Dilophosaurus wasnt venomous irl

[chilly matrix]

and also nothing i said is to be granted this is a series were i list in real life things and ability's and the devs can take anything they want i basically try to give them some ideas

[paper oriole]

I mean sure but a 50km/h albert with 3400n in game would still be broken af

[chilly matrix]

yeah in gane k let my change my suggestion than

here changed it up a bit

[chilly matrix]

is it better ?

[lapis tree]

Don’t forget Troodon it’s literally has not existed for 6 years now

[paper oriole]

I mean 3,400n is still insane busted but the general idea of a sprinter with above average attack is fine but it should be balanced out by low stamina or glass cannon build

[paper oriole]

Yeah though its honestly good that our troo doesnt carry the stenon or laten name because it looks nothing like either and honestly more isle dinos should carry fictional names

[lapis tree]

Yeah

[chilly matrix]

hmm its a tyrann after all and a pretty close relativ of Rex so it having a high bite force is actually important

[lapis tree]

Alberto isn’t even in the same sub family as Rex

[paper oriole]

Stats ingame dont represent irl attack though remember, with 3400 he would kill apexes in a few hits

[lapis tree]

It’s in Ablertosauridae not Tryannosauridae

[paper oriole]

His bite would have to be scaled down to match the health pools and other bite forces

Even rex itself probably wont get 3000n in game

That would be op, high bite force is better represented through fracture

[lapis tree]

Honestly Rex should be a ambusher

[chilly matrix]

no as far as i know damage is calculated by N x Weight or something and the higher the weight of the enemy the more damage res it probably has

[urban flax]

Was in legacy

[paper oriole]

Weight no longer bears consequence in damage

[lapis tree]

That was in legacy

[chilly matrix]

ye ? hmm yeah sure than scale down the bite force BUT not TOO much

maybe 2500N

or lower

[paper oriole]

Yoo

Thats higher than legacy rex

[chilly matrix]

what ?

wth did the devs do with scaling

1500?

[paper oriole]

I think thats legacy rex's bite

[chilly matrix]

1000?

[paper oriole]

Wait no legacy rex was 1200

[chilly matrix]

800?

[paper oriole]

It should be balanced around what it is faster than that can't reliably hide and what it is supposed to hunt

[lapis tree]

As long as Rex’s bite can do mild fracturing it’s fine for me

[chilly matrix]

i hope it depends on locational damage

[paper oriole]

So its hard to make exact examples on what its attack should be, stronger than allo with less bleed is an easier way that it can be suggested

[chilly matrix]

yeah sounds good well allo basically only does bleed its bite force was lower than a fricking lion soooo

[paper oriole]

Honestly things like rex and both pachies should deal large amounts of fracture for their class since its a specialty for them

[chilly matrix]

rex actually doesnt depend on fracture cause it one shots most dinosaurs if it catches the head or neck and also it tracks and trots down its victim so fracture isnt really needed

would help it but nah

[paper oriole]

One shotting on dinos that took many hours is no fun, its high bite force is best split between damage and fracture

Its no fun to just run of to everyone and pop them like watermelons, and no fun for the person being popped either

Fights are cooler

[chilly matrix]

i mean if you get ambushed by such an big dinosaur its probably your own fault and i mean with one shotting most mid tiers (except allo he had an INCREDIBLE high damage res against its head (55.000N!))

could its head withstand

or rather skull flesh is something else

could still be torn apart

[limber hull]

i mean, if rex is bonebreak, giga is bleed, is spino just kinda raw damage, considering its slow speed, high health and larger aquatic-based opponents?

[paper oriole]

I doubt allo's resistant jaw muscles or whatever that document talked about would stop its skull from getting popped like a grape of a rex directly bit it

[chilly matrix]

i think a mix between bleed and raw damage mouth probably used for raw damage and claws for bleed

[limber hull]

i mean, i know Spino is planned to be something of a slow tank

[chilly matrix]

whats rex bite force again ?

35.000N

[lapis tree]

That’s not much

[chilly matrix]

it would need 20.000 more but probably could fracture it

oh sry WITH its back teeth it could reach 57.000 N

[paper oriole]

The resistant allo skull thing was in the axe bite document right

Or am i thinking of another one

[chilly matrix]

the hatchet got debunked but its true that it can withstand so much force but it could also easily dislocate its jaws

well they reconstructed allos skull and tested it so i think the withstanding 55.000 N is right just the hatchet is wrong

[paper oriole]

Yeah the hatched thing was whacked

[chilly matrix]

at first it sounded good but after watching another video show casing how it would look against sauropods i left the idea immediately

[paper oriole]

If a mid tier let itself get bitten in the face by a rex it deserves to be oneshot but something that took like 5+ hours getting one shot in any fight (minus ones against strains and titans) would feel cheap

And allo hatchet bite definitely looked fuckin weird yeah

Some people think its cool but eh guess its all up to opinion

[chilly matrix]

not cool to dislocate your jaw and the biting in the head would be a death penalty for allo cause rex's bite only was around 35.000-57.000N not accounting how much damage the teeth would cause so its safe to assume that a rex would kill a allo if it bit inside its head

[paper oriole]

Rex would probably crunch allo's head like a chicken drumstick in that case

[chilly matrix]

jup but it would take some effort but yeah

[paper oriole]

lmao imagine them giving allo a hatchet bite special attack and it just inflicts full fracture on the allo's head after one use

[chilly matrix]

basically allo

ups wrong one

https://youtu.be/9wyhhxOZazI

here

[paper oriole]

Was so confused watching that lol

[oak tapir]

@barren zephyr It's confirmed, You need to have 2 dinos same species Male and Female to Nest , no longer will people be able to just nest as 1 female , and you have to manually build a nest with plants , rocks , branches

[barren zephyr]

Thank you!

[oak tapir]

Np

[sonic mural]

Will some nests look different depending on the species or we don’t know yet

[oak tapir]

Probably

Like in Legacy different dinos had different looking nests

[sonic mural]

Oh ok

[barren zephyr]

@oak tapir And what about the "mate calling" .. for easier finding. Is there something like this? If I may ask.

[limber hull]

honestly, a mating call could be really interesting for the game

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, that's what I thought .. :´D

[noble pine]

2 call is the “attract call”

[limber hull]

eh in a sense i suppose, but what i mean is kinda like a friendly + broadcast

[noble pine]

Broadcast for attention, when you get that attention and it’s your own species you have local chat or your 2 call

You gotta work for the women

@bold palm pack dominance will be a thing, you can fight your pack leader and take their role if you win without killing them, but outside of a pack there isn’t really a reason to stop people from killing each other, sure it sucks ass but you can’t force them not to kill each other, especially if the person attacking is starving.

If I’m an allo and Im starving and I see another allo, I’m gonna attack to kill for food, it’s not just a petty game of “fuck you cuz you allo”.
Same species killing sucks, but a mechanic like this doesn’t stop people from kosing and it definitely won’t help those who have no other choice, even if they’re going to be negatively affected by it

[limber hull]

cerato literally will kill other ceratos over food

[noble pine]

^

[limber hull]

they are designed as a carnivore that's super defensive over whatever it can get its hands on, and will absolutely kill any other cerato threatening to take its food source and add its rival to its food.

[noble pine]

Some dinos iirc can cannibalize and be perfectly fine

[limber hull]

cerato can

but cerato can eat anything

deinos are literally going to be encouraged to eat each other, no joke

[noble pine]

Well yeah, atm they’re everywhere

[bold palm]

ya but this is a game, so the issue is toxic newbs that just KOS shit, so solution is what I presented, if you have a better way to solve that all ears.

[limber hull]

idk man, i see more carnos than deinos now

although there are still a lot of deinos

[urban flax]

Is same-species killing really a problem anyway ?

[noble pine]

No lmao

[bold palm]

I mean you can tinker with it, fine tune the idea

[noble pine]

A bigger issue is mega packs killing solo players

[urban flax]

There is no solution needed in my opinion

[bold palm]

yeah it is

[urban flax]

Well there is one

[bold palm]

unfortunately

[urban flax]

More playables so that everyone isn't the same species, so they can go hunt something else

[noble pine]

People play the same 4 dinos, so off there’s going to be same species killing, doesn’t mean it’s an issue

[limber hull]

its more the single assholes or chinese motherfuckers who come on servers to mixpack and cannibalise. AU has this pretty bad where chinese individuals keep coming on the server and mixpacking/cannibalising

[bold palm]

I hear about this every day at least 5 times or more a day someone pissed off cuz they got murdered for no reason.

[limber hull]

often times, cannibals are rare and small individuals or groups

[noble pine]

Sounds like a them problem

[bold palm]

ya that's the issue you get a group of 3 or so on there with the mission to just kill all other same species. It's super easy to do when the other player isn't expecting it, especially with deino. You just creep up get first bite in.

[noble pine]

There’s a reason the devs are adding debuffs with cannibalism

[safe galleon]

Jesus imagine how powerful no packers would become

[bold palm]

this then leads to upset users going rogue KOS lol

so you see waves of people cannibalizing and being nice and back to cannibalizing

[noble pine]

Again, sounds like a them problem, not the games problem, don’t want to die? Don’t get caught

[limber hull]

eh, the "anti-cannibal" thing will just lead to KOS tbh, but if you spend your time hunting other of your kind, you'll probably get fucked over by malnutrition or starvation anyway

[bold palm]

lol

[noble pine]

I’ve learned the hard way not to trust anyone on this fuckin game

[bold palm]

nah it's a toxic newb problem.

well duh

but then you run into 20 nice people

and you're like uh

ya it would be dick to attack

so maybe you're right

it is a them problem, they are toxic and enjoy being that way. Which actually says a lot of the type of person is behind the keyboard, probably someone who gets picked on at school. 😉 No offense.

[limber hull]

also, honestly, "protection field" doesn't sound too good. If it was a "down", incapacitating the opponent and not allowing them to move until they recover, it'd be better, otherwise it's just an invincible creature counter-attacking you

but regardless, it wont happen in any sense

[bold palm]

well my idea is that field would be specific to same species only

[cyan flame]

@bold palmWhile I can get the frustration of being killed by your own, that sort of idea is outright not going to work. How do I get rid of the other stego that keeps eating my plants if I can't kill him, and he can't kill me?

[bold palm]

until the unit recovers

to a point

then you can fight again

would not protect them from other species

[limber hull]

i know, but then you just have a very angry dino attacking its attacker back with invincibility

not very fun

[bold palm]

huh?

I don't understand what you mean Wave

[cyan flame]

So, we'd just be stuck fighting each other.. over and over?

Again, how do I get rid of someone who refuses to leave or otherwise stop doing whatever I don't want them doing, if I can't kill them?

[bold palm]

picture 2 utahs, they start a fight, one kicks the others butt, drops the health of the other to 10%. Field comes on, now any other same species can't kill that one that is damaged. Although revovery time leaves the injured on vulnerable.

[cyan flame]

Mix with someone else and let them do the job? :p

[bold palm]

and ya maybe the pack ideas kinda will do this too so you can still get attacked by other packs

so maybe this could only apply to pack mates

[cyan flame]

If it was a thing only within a group, I could see it being somewhat useful for fights without killing each other yes, but not outside of that

[limber hull]

okay, so whats stopping that utah that got attacked from counterattacking their attacker in revenge?

with the provided invincibility

[bold palm]

Well they'd need to recover right, to say 50% by then those 2 would be away from each other.

[limber hull]

but they're invincible

[cyan flame]

They would only be able to get the first person down to 10% as well I'm guessing, so you'd be stuck in a "loop" sort of

[bold palm]

well they can't attack and can't be attacked during that time same species

[limber hull]

exactly

[bold palm]

not really

you'd beat someone down, they would need to recover, you take off. you won, so move on.

[cyan flame]

If it's only a thing for in group, then they can just as well add a mode where you fight for dominance and it applies some effect like this

Outside of that, there's no need for anything like that

[bold palm]

the other one would be stuck recovering and couldnt' fight same species until recovered right.

anyway, it's a thought it may be applicable in ways.

[noble pine]

Yes

But what if the attacker was hungry?

Kinda defeats the point of survival if I get cheated out of food because I just happen to find my own species

[bold palm]

why would you be so hungry to have to eat same species though? There is plenty of opportunities to eat something.

I rarely ever need to attack same species for food hardly ever

[noble pine]

Why wouldn’t you be? The map is going to be massive

[cyan flame]

It can happen, it already does every so often

[bold palm]

i think the food resources will be adequate if you play the game and go find food.

[noble pine]

^

[bold palm]

and see these are things that would need to be considered as to how it could work

[silent current]

Why even try to be reasonable with typical CANNIBALISM BAD!!! 11!! salty person

[urban flax]

What even is the point of preventing same-species killing ?
What kind of game do you think The Isle is Silverfox ?

[noble pine]

The maps on legacy are small compared to evrima maps and it’s still hard to find food on populated servers most of the time, especially if you’re alone

[bold palm]

i think with some fine tuning and brainstorming it can be implemented to a degree

[limber hull]

i feel like ambient animals could help a lot with that issue. Still not a fan of actual dino AI but whatever

[bold palm]

at least cut down on same species killing some

[urban flax]

Everyone here isn't saying the idea needs fine-tuning, they're saying the idea shouldn't be implemented at all

[noble pine]

It’s a dumb idea that will already exist with packs

If I don’t know you and I’m hungry, I will eat your idc what you are

[bold palm]

well it would suck for those who like to kill same species.

not a dumb idea though

[noble pine]

Then they can sit and suffer the punishment of cannibalism

We don’t need a “I’m invincible” mechanic to prevent it

[bold palm]

i don't think you understand the idea, but ok

we'll just agree to disagree

[noble pine]

I do