plus it would be a waste of water if you could only drink certain spots without getting debuffs
#general-feedback-discussion
swift dew
steady sleet
you can drink anywhere but with caution
urban flax
How is it with caution if there is a random chance to get a debuff ?
Is there a way to be cautious enough to beat RNG that I don't know of ?
Because I'd like to know it
steady sleet
How is it with caution if there is a random chance to get a debuff ?
no, no dead animals should be around
urban flax
You wrote in your suggestion that you should get a chance of getting sick from drinking water
Also, bodies shouldn't poison water
steady sleet
You wrote in your suggestion that you should get a chance of getting sick from d...
decayed animals
urban flax
Not even decayed animal
Do you even imagine how annoying and abusable it would be ?
Also, you can't really poison a river, unless you poison directly its source (with a very large amount of well rotten bodies, which don't exist in nature because scavengers always make a quick work of them)
Cause you know, the water is flowing
steady sleet
Not even decayed animal
Do you even imagine how annoying and abusable it would b...
okay that was just an idea
I'm curious how the game will be it has to be much more varied and lively for me.
urban flax
You can check at the roadmap, and there is a lot of planned things
steady sleet
You can check at the roadmap, and there is a lot of planned things
i know i already love the game and i have so much imagination, the potential is huge
drifting radish
ok hm. little... idk. weird ig on the water suggestion? ik people cant drink from thsoe water sources but irl mannnnnn where u think animals drink? dont see any mass deaths bc they drank from a swamp
things die in water all the time, but it doesnt nessasarily polute the water
steady sleet
ok hm. little... idk. weird ig on the water suggestion? ik *people* cant drink f...
difficult to explain there are so many possibilities, just finding water is too boring for me.
oak tapir
@vivid needle I get the Hypsi spit aim but Utah pounce DOES NOT need aim
steady sleet
In the game there are so many moments where you just wait that is not good or you go for a walk for no reason or goal
urban flax
That's because the game is unfinished and still lacks its main mechanics
vivid needle
<@!448191366103826442> I get the Hypsi spit aim but Utah pounce DOES NOT need ai...
Heyo, thanks for tagging me ! i kinda made a mistake you're completely right XD no need to aim ... i thought we could not chose pounce direction while having one
MB imma get that post away then
drifting radish
In the game there are so many moments where you just wait that is not good or yo...
Yeah, because theres isnt much to do atm haha. once diet and nesting is added in im sure you'll find yourself wandering less aimlessly
steady sleet
That's because the game is unfinished and still lacks its main mechanics
I know that, that's why you can also take part in the ides
urban flax
Yeah, and that's why I am here
Reacting to people's ideas and help them find better ones
steady sleet
Yeah, because theres isnt much to do atm haha. once diet and nesting is added in...
yes i hope i'm really excited to see how that was implemented
steady sleet
Yeah, and that's why I am here
Reacting to people's ideas and help them find bet...
high standard is good. Remember, my ideas are versatile and expandable, I just want to encourage new ideas.
swift dew
@barren zephyr you said they give off a prehistoric vibe, however the isle takes place in modern times, hence the humans and human buildings. anyway I do think they would be cool to see
ashen elm
Araucaria Forests ❤️
Add them and make them sauropod preferred foods
barren zephyr
Ye I was thinking that too
pastel bloom
Are there any admins for evrima?
manic flint
I was under the impression that gorgo was a young rex
hasty dagger
That’d be Nanotyrannus
vast wolf
gorgo is very close to alberto. only real diferences i can remember is gorgo had larger prow horns and was a bit thinner than alberto.
hasty dagger
Alberto is the thinner one, and I proposed the change because they’re so close. Like I said its just a small accuracy thing.
jade schooner
Due to how close they are, I don't see how they could both be tagged under the same genus (Albertosaurus) but still being different species.
Taken from wikipedia:
Gorgosaurus was most closely related to Albertosaurus, and more distantly related to the larger Tyrannosaurus. Gorgosaurus and Albertosaurus are extremely similar, distinguished mainly by subtle differences in the teeth and skull bones. Some experts consider G. libratus to be a species of Albertosaurus; this would make Gorgosaurus a junior synonym of that genus.
jade schooner
they could be as much of a same thing as a lion and a tiger (Panthera leo and Panthera tigris)
paper oriole
sleeping shouldn't increase growth at all, in fact it should reduce growth in exchange for the heal boost, maybe even halting growth if you sleep for too long
mystic parcel
did they lower carno stam?
swift dew
did they lower carno stam?
from when? since update 2? yes. since the stress test? I don't think so.
paper oriole
Doesn't utah only fall over when it misses a pounce or is knocked off? That's a punishment that should stay
Utahs are overpopulated and will probably still be one of the most highly played dinos when the roster expands, most of the times you are outnumbered in a fight against them and you deserve the window to eliminate the ones who make mistakes
molten tulip
Should instead be that you need to save stam at the cost of dealing damage if you want to avoid the knockdown animation
If you want to maximize your damage by using all of your stam, you deserve to fall off and be vulnerable
paper oriole
Exactly, you can save stam by disengaging voluntarily, where you should be able to spend a little extra to kick off for a bit safer distance
molten tulip
Yeah that would reward skill and strategy
paper oriole
Utahs who choose to stay on for the full bucking or dont jump off when a tree is coming, or miss the socketed pounce deserve to be at the mercy of their target
Who is actually calling cheirus a sucho or theri clone... or especially a beipi clone?
That's wack
jade schooner
sleeping shouldn't increase growth at all, in fact it should reduce growth in ex...
why not tho?
paper oriole
Because why should sitting still boost growth?
Theres no reason to have it boost growth
Health sure, but activity should boost growth
molten tulip
Making sleep grow you faster is literally just making you afk grow
jade schooner
the only reason I put a boost on growth as well as healing is for it to have a reason to be used. And that's why to cover those demands, a faster use of the hunger and thirst would be implied. Therefore, tho rewarding you with a quicker grow (could be not as efficient as dietary satisfaction), by when you're ready with it you'd be forced to interact in a more active gameplay
molten tulip
I think healing health is better
paper oriole
Healing is reason for it to be used
Especially if it was a way to bypass the health lock
Shouldn't encourage people to afk whenever they have the chance to grow faster
molten tulip
Making it heal health lock would be really nice
jade schooner
Especially if it was a way to bypass the health lock
that I would agree
paper oriole
So it would still be used, the health is a tempting enough reason to risk it especially if youre in a group
jade schooner
I do like the idea of grouping and taking shifts in such regard tbh. By that also giving priority of feed to those that were asleep before migrating/hunting
molten tulip
Yeah
worn pumice
There should be better ways to heal locked hp by finding certain things to eat or maybe kick for your dinosaur
Rather then just sit in a bush to heal locked hp
molten tulip
That too
I think they'd be fine all coexisting in tandem
You can choose to sit in a bush but if you also find your preferred food or mineral as well it'll be twice as fast
paper oriole
Mineral springs, which could be dangerous because predators will know people will risk healing there, and dust baths for feathered guys could be other ways
Sleeping is just the most accessible
jade schooner
@delicate geyser wrong chat. I'd suggest taking it into #evrima-na or #723294838610722847
delicate geyser
oh sorry
limber hull
@junior crow this suggestion seems to be focusing on all the ways deinosuchus is worse than literally every other dino of its type.
junior crow
<@!218942943560466432> this suggestion seems to be focusing on all the ways dein...
you mean deinocheirus? Also how is it worse exactly?
limber hull
idk, the way you write about it is everything x animal can do better than it
with every comparison, deinocheirus is displayed as remarkably weaker or behind in a certain department
Deinocherus has a slower speed, no diving, a more restrictive diet, weaker fishing and lower stam than some of the creatures you used as comparisons
i know nothing is confirmed, but it doesn't speak highly of the animal when the only way you talk about it is how it falls behind other animals
paper oriole
Troodon is already getting nocturnal vision, it also gets venom and mimicry so it really doesn't need more to ‘even the playing field’
It doesn't need binocular on top of nightvision, mimicry and venom, too much shit for one dino
junior crow
idk, the way you write about it is everything x animal can do better than it
I think you misinterpreted what I wrote I gave Deinocheirus a unique moveset which allows it to effectively stun and deal good damage against targets if done properly. Something Theri can't do, it is also a much heavier and tankier animal as well, just because it is slower on land than Theri doesn't mean it isn't faster in water (which I think it should be). While Beipi can Dive Deinocheirus is able to swim and wad pretty damn well also even if it isn't as mobile in water than Beipi. The water abilities allows it to be exist in it environment (swamps and deltas) effectively it just can't dive under water to get at the food Beipis can.
Regarding the diet, if it stays in its environment it can manage its hunger rather easily (mid-range and high-range aquatic flora with fish and possibly small animals)
urban flax
Okay, can someone explain the binocular vision idea to me ? I know my latin is rusty, but doesn't it just mean "vision with two eyes", which pretty much every existing animal has ? Or is there a secret meaning for it ?
paper oriole
Players shouldn’t be punished for bucking, utahs who manage their stam well and disengage voluntarily should be able to kick off. The ones who waste all their stam and stay on too long should still get shitstomped, they don't deserve any cushioning
Locking players in the buck animation would be stupid, why punish them for trying to remove a predator they in most cases can't run from?
Also with binocular vision there have been two common suggestions for it
- Further render distance for dinos with binocular vision, which is honestly an awful idea
- The ability to zoom on on what you can already see, sort of going 1st person and zoning in on an area, which could work in a balanced way
urban flax
Oh yeah further render distance is quite stupid
Let me burn your pc to simulate your better eyesight
And the zooming can work, but for something else than troodon for sure
limber hull
im going to be honest, idc what they do with Troodon, the nocturnal venomous mimic dino is already an incredibly appealing concept to me and it will more than likely become my main dino upon arrival
paper oriole
Also differing render distances is just shitty for the dinos with lower ranges, the game just forcedully handicapping them
limber hull
i can already see the value in mimicking dryos to catch an unsuspecting carno and fill him with death juice
urban flax
Also I love how they talk about "realistic facts" about a creature that didn't exist
paper oriole
Rex makes sense to have some use of binocular vision, troodon is already full of utility
urban flax
Yes, I agree if something like a zooming is implemented, it should be for rex, and probably some flyers
paper oriole
Didnt it just get species changed, but still exist? Like it's stenonychosaurus or something
urban flax
It was divided in two species, because the skeleton we had was a mix
junior crow
they could also be basing it off of Latenivenatrix?
limber hull
zooming for flying dinos and creatures like rex and troodon seem like great ideas. Maybe also herrera tbh, mf needs to be able to lock down where he's going to pounce from above
paper oriole
Either way, it doesn’t need binocular
urban flax
Hrrrera ? What would be the purpose of a zoom in a jungle ?
paper oriole
People opt for “realism” when talking about dinos they love, but they don't like realism if it turns utahs into slow fucks who can't pounce and whatnot lol
limber hull
its constantly in trees, high above
paper oriole
A binocular sight could fit for herrera, much better than troo certainly
limber hull
like the flying dinos, it would use the vision to help it see prey from higher above and through the dense foliage. Honestly, wouldn't be surprised if herrera got a movement sense like deino, but massively modified for say, rustling bushes instead of movements in water.
probably
troodon is probably going to be entirely ambush too, so it really doesn't need to have the binocular tracking tools
it already has fantastic night vision
paper oriole
Quetz could have it too, ptera doesn't need it since he isn't supposed to be an active hunter
limber hull
i feel the devs have already very much laid out how Troodon will play and so far, I think the kit is perfect for what it is
urban flax
Herrera shouldn't need strong detection tools. Forest, contrary to rivers, is an environment made for stealth. Forest gameplay would be to be skilled enough to see your opponent while staying out of their sight, that what I like about it
It's an environment with a special gameplay, unlike plains where it's just be faster or be stronger than your opponent
If herrera gets an automatic detection to spot its prey, that ruins the entire forest experience for everything else
You just gotta be aware, don't make yourself too evident and pay attention
limber hull
i mean, as long as herrera's rodeo is not countered with trees like raptor's pounce is, i'm happy tbh.
inner tide
@barren zephyr i agree with number 2 but only if u spawn in a nest, (when nesting comes out)
limber hull
i always like the forest environment, but never go in there as the "ambush predator" raptor, as often hiding in bushes and attacking with a pounce will simply get you thrown off.
its why im very excited for Troodon, who I feel will prosper in the forests
urban flax
Utahs isn't made for forest hunting tho
limber hull
i know that, but not much is atm
which is why a lot of current game combat takes place in plains
urban flax
And I think "being able to be knocked off with trees or not" is irrelevant for herra. It doesn't seem like it'd stay for long on its prey, just deal some damage with a one-time burst.
limber hull
carnos and utahs dont like hunting in the forests, so it leads to a gameplay loop focused around hunting in a specific environment
limber hull
Herrera and Troodons will be nice to mixup that very plains-focused meta we have, which is why I'm very excited
I really want hypsi to be ACTUALLY arboreal
and not just "use your weird jump to drain all your stamina trying to jump into a single tree with wonky collision"
urban flax
I think devs said will be getting a climbing abiliity when herrera comes out ?
limber hull
make hypsi arboreal and make its food of choice become fruits and other foods hiding in the high-trees. In diets, there are "high-range flora", likely intended for longnecks, but I feel hypsi should also get them when it becomes more tree-focused
urban flax
Probably
oak tapir
@scenic leaf Compared fortnite shitty royal and The Isle
limber hull
and?
keen vapor
It would be actually sick if the devs listenes to my suggestion of a kickback from a pounce. It is soo needed rn
paper oriole
A lot of people have brought up a kickoff for pounce, i'm sure they've seen at least a couple of them
keen vapor
yeah ik
oak tapir
Wdym by Kick off?
sonic mural
Wdym by Kick off?
Basically to kick yourself off of something and boost yourself farther when dismounting
sonic mural
I’ve seen tons of experienced stego players one shot utahs when they dismount
fading fjord
Dismount cant be made safe only at the cost of stam.
sonic mural
It should’ve been safe in the first place lol why should I take a hit for landing a pounce yk
Unless u got bucked off that’s the only reason u should get hit after landing a pounce
fading fjord
If played right, you dont get hit on dismount.
sonic mural
That shouldn’t be the case tho if u didn’t get hit by a tree or bucked off dismounting shouldn’t be skill based
fading fjord
Its not just skill
fading fjord
Evrima is not Legacy, you dont just pounce cause you can.
sonic mural
You pounce to bleed something out
flat crypt
people yet again showing they don't understand that american spelling isn't the only spelling lmao
fading fjord
Theres a time to start pounce, it might need "prep" or something, just like to get off a pounce.
Shit
flat crypt
not directed at you, directed at the recent feedback :P
limber hull
people yet again showing they don't understand that american spelling isn't the ...
literally living in a bubble
fading fjord
Goddam phone
limber hull
its hilarious
flat crypt
although I do find it surprising. The developers are mostly american aren't they? I would have thought they'd go with american spelling tbh
fading fjord
You pounce to bleed something out
We were not talking about bleeds
Pounce isnt just pressing buttons
#EvrimaNotLegacy
sonic mural
We were not talking about bleeds
I’m just confused on what ur trying to say when u said “if played right you don’t get hit on dismount” and “if it’s not just skill”that helps u not get hit then what is it
And the whole point of evrima combat is skill so if u miss a pounce or get bucked off that’s on u and u die if u land a pounce and get off while still having stam that’s just dumb
flat crypt
even if you play it right, it can be pretty hard to avoid getting hit on dismount
I do agree that pounce could do with some tweaks. It kinda works, but it's a bit frustrating
a skill check to help you recover faster when you're knocked off could work. Like, if in the short time just before hitting the ground you hit a key, you recover faster
kinda like how you gotta click in a short window to catch a fish as ptera
mint urchin
Favourite is British.
Favorite is American.
tawdry crow
Looks good to me. 😎 🇬🇧
fading fjord
I’m just confused on what ur trying to say when u said “if played right you don’...
All i am saying is that, its not just skill, just like when, for ex: you kinda "setup" when to start a safe pounce, you can setup that safe dismount, its not just skill.
#EvrimaNotLegacy
It could have some tweaks, ofc, sometimes it feels strange when the utah is just standing.
Pardon my bad English, not my main.
sonic mural
All i am saying is that, its not just skill, just like when, for ex: you kinda "...
Ok now I kinda see what ur saying but how do u setup a safe dismount
fading fjord
Its kinda like that issue when the utah is being pounced, and is still able to get up, it has no animation, or something, so it just stands there, for a few secs.
fading fjord
Ok now I kinda see what ur saying but how do u setup a safe dismount
For ex: when 2 or more uthas are facing a stego, whats the basic thing they (utahs) can do, to get a safe bite?
ionic arch
@oak tapir it will come
silver zephyr
limber hull
@clever arch you know you need to give access via link for people to read that doc?
clever arch
Oops, thought I did that...
cedar pulsar
@raw leaf so you want deino to destroy any game balance?
urban flax
It already does tho
raw leaf
i don't wanna see a small steggo getting dragged down, and still able to run away to come back and 3 shot a 90% croc
urban flax
I don't understand how you manage to lose to anything as a deino, it's the strongest playable currently
An adult stego stands no chance
raw leaf
thats a lie
cedar pulsar
sounds like you just need to get better at playing it
raw leaf
a carno can kill you without a problem
cedar pulsar
it’s not a water T. rex
urban flax
a carno can kill you without a problem
Have you tried going into water ? Because you know, deino is a semi-aquatic
cedar pulsar
^^^
raw leaf
Have you tried going into water ? Because you know, deino is a semi-aquatic
didn't i just say he was dragged under water?
habla english or?
cedar pulsar
did you have full stamina
raw leaf
yes
urban flax
No you didn't say it, you said you dragged a stego down
urban flax
Maybe
Since you can lunge on the ground and seem convinced that deino can't kill anything, I assumed you were trying to lunge at something and drag it on land
urban flax
Well people manage to kill pretty much anything as deinos, the drowning mechanic functions perfectly, so I'm pretty sure it's not a balance problem about deino
nova anchor
Deino is balanced very well
urban flax
If anything, it needs a nerf to its alt-attack
raw leaf
alt attack? and ye
hitbox was shit
maybe me being on NA1 as someone from eu
didn't help aswell
nova anchor
could also be desync
raw leaf
wouldn't say im a amazing player
but i couldn't drown and then finish him off in the water
even a steggo and a teno and another CARNO got away like this
nova anchor
you couldn't drown what
raw leaf
a teno, a steggo, and a carno
nova anchor
for larger animals you'll need full or near full stamina to drown it
raw leaf
i was on full for all of em
nova anchor
yeah for a tenonto or carno you'll need near full stamina, and you can't lunge full stego
raw leaf
it was a small steggo
nova anchor
you'll also need to be in the water
and in deep enough water to completely submerge it
covert pagoda
@marsh glacier Bro, it is already hard enough for us to sneak up on Y'all as it is. Carnos are huge.
nova anchor
unless there were some changes to deino lunge that I'm unaware of
fading fjord
Deino is balanced very well
Everyday i believe more&more in this.
hoary dawn
@dreamy night
urban flax
Most americans believe Europe is a country
nova anchor
Europe isn't real
urban flax
jade schooner
@teal pecan a theme park wouldn't fit the game's lore and theme, for what we know. A more built up and developed small city doesn't sound out of the possibilities tho.
teal pecan
<@!399245630121181187> a theme park wouldn't fit the game's lore and theme, for ...
either or, just something "larger" in terms of human remain
s
urban flax
We probably gonna have some sort of docks like in Legacy, as well as more advanced facilities
The atriums might also make a return
teal pecan
We probably gonna have some sort of docks like in Legacy, as well as more advanc...
map is so massive it should be something larger than just a doc when human game play. imagine a large city (think PUBG or something) where dinos and humans both roam. Would be epic
urban flax
Yes, but I doubt it would fit in the lore very well
limber hull
yea, not seeing the logic of placing a massive populated city on dinosaur island
that either requires building a city on an island inhabited by dinos (a bad idea) or releasing dinos into a populated city (also a bad idea)
teal pecan
yea, not seeing the logic of placing a massive populated city on dinosaur island
Why not ? The lore is human experiments gone wrong, a small city/village would fit excellent
limber hull
yes, but they do experiments on an island specifically to prevent civilian casualties
you dont just resurrect dinos in the middle of suburbia
teal pecan
yes, but they do experiments on an island specifically to prevent civilian casua...
but those peeps and their families lived somewhere, they didnt live in a small ranger station or utulity building, nor did they live on the islands dock lol
urban flax
They probably went back and forth
Also you can host a lot of people in bunkers, or buildings made both to protect people and not interfere with the ecosystem
teal pecan
They probably went back and forth
and camped in the ranger station? Doubt it. Need infrasturcute and buildings for long term science
limber hull
they likely lived within on-island laboratories and bunker quarters, and occasionally went on and off the island.
urban flax
Because as you might know, AE was trying to make a functioning ecosystem on the Island
urban flax
and camped in the ranger station? Doubt it. Need infrasturcute and buildings for...
Are there cities in Antarctica ?
teal pecan
Because as you might know, AE was trying to make a functioning ecosystem on the ...
yes so a a functioning ecosystem takes time, a fenced in small neighbour hood would make a lot of sense, much more than living in the lab lol.
urban flax
No ?
limber hull
and camped in the ranger station? Doubt it. Need infrasturcute and buildings for...
extremely likely they lived within stations, bunkers and on-site living quarters. The less visible impact they have on the environment, the more they can observe the creatures doing as they normally do
teal pecan
Are there cities in Antarctica ?
are the animals recreated in synergy with nature in antartica? And yes there are a small city in antartica. I ll send u the link - its a massive scinece viallge.
urban flax
I don't see the link between recreating animals and having a city
urban flax
Is that the kind of city you were thinking of ?
teal pecan
Is that the kind of city you were thinking of ?
yes ofc. aka small viallge
limber hull
yes so a a functioning ecosystem takes time, a fenced in small neighbour hood wo...
how in all hell would an EXPOSED village make more sense than safe living quarters in a secure bunker in experiments that involve the introduction of highly-evolved death creatures into an environment where they are given tons of freedom to move around and interact with their environment?
urban flax
Because it's not much larger than Legacy's docks
limber hull
in antartica, there are no dinosaurs
teal pecan
Because it's not much larger than Legacy's docks
legacy docks weere way smaller, wana see the doc of antartica?
limber hull
not really comparable
i feel like if you're letting a T-Rex loose on your island, you want to keep your science boys away from them at all costs
urban flax
Carnos are actually much more dangerous to humans, but that doesn't change the point
limber hull
what better way to do that than a concealed underground bunker?
i was just going off the thing that could probably absolutely fuck up any small village
but yea, carnos are worse in terms of lethality
point still remains, having anything less than armouries, bunker entrances/exits and comm towers on the surface is generally a bad idea
tawny juniper
Well
From a survival standpoint yes
But what's the fun in playing human if you can just sit underground and have no fear of death
limber hull
i dont think you understand
mercs would obviously be sent out there to ensure everything runs smoothly
i.e. doing repairs, retrieving egg samples, DNA, etc
scientists, however, would remain hidden and secure
tawny juniper
There aren't going to be scientist
And again if there were what would be the fun in sitting underground
limber hull
i know
wh
im not saying scientists would be playable
that has never been my point or idea
tawny juniper
So human ai
limber hull
wh
what
buddy, listen
there's a group of scientists on the island
we dont see them
but they are there and they are monitoring what happens
they aren't AI
they aren't playable
you don't even see them
they're just an implied presence
tawny juniper
But why
limber hull
if there was no scientists, than the entire premise of the game collapses
AE is a research company first and foremost
you don't just chuck a bunch of dinos on an island and leave
they clearly want to monitor them
tawny juniper
So you're saying let there be scientist that you can never see but they are still there
tawny juniper
Well yeah it's a given that scientist are part of the lore but why have them ingame where you can't see them
tawny juniper
there already ARE scientists you can't see but are still there
No there isn't they are part of the lore but not actually ingame
limber hull
yes
there are
because it's part of the loore and story
they don't need to have code or a model to exist within the universe
swift dew
@dreamy night actually, favourite is also the correct spelling, Favorite is ususally used by American english, and Favourite is usually used by British English, but it really all comes down to you.
tawny juniper
They aren't ingame, They are part of the lore
They are in same "universe" not in the game though
Therefor not ingame
limber hull
i think you are WILDLY misunderstanding
tawny juniper
If marvel had a movie about Iron man, And spiderman wasn't in it at all. You wouldn't say spiderman was in the movie, You wouldn't say that spiderman was in the movie you would say that he is in the marvel universe
limber hull
i was simply discussing how building design and structure interconnects with the already given lore and premise of the game and its universe. There would be no surface village because scientists (who ARE in the universe and ARE on the island) would not live there due to the immediate threat of doing so. In no way was I saying that there should be playable scientists, AI scientists or anything of the sort, I was simply tying pre-known lore for reasoning of gameplay choices
tawny juniper
So in short
Add a bunker where the scientist would be working
is what I understand
limber hull
im assuming there already is a bunker on the island tho (lore-wise), although I would like to see a bunker which a raptor could walk around in (kind of like the art that shows up when you look at the game on steam, with the raptor in the large metal tunnel)
steep warren
pretty much a lab that implies that scientists are doing studies of the dinos on the island?
urban flax
We're not even sure scientists are still there
It's actually quite unlikely that they are
limber hull
regardless
building would still have safety as priority number one
although in legacy it is implied that there are still people on the island
no such thing is in evirmia
wintry monolith
i think its implied ppl are still on/around the island tracking the dinos bc if you press insert youll see in one of the corners "tracking system online" or smt similar. And the buildings are in pretty good condition
marsh glacier
Has anyone been getting a fatal error code that crashes your game on evrima?
deep onyx
@dreamy night there is two ways to spell it lmfao
glossy matrix
I think itd be cool if you could play as a scientist
Because then the mercs have a reason to go to the island
Rescue mission
urban flax
Wouldn't scientist gameplay be absolutely boring?
urban flax
And...?
Because for now it's just like playing a merc but without chances of survival
glossy matrix
Itd be more interesting because you actually have to loot abandoned buildings for weapons
urban flax
Because mercs won't need to?
glossy matrix
ok so how is it any different then
urban flax
The whole "searching fo loot" part of their gameplay has been scrapped?
Because you're not a guy trained for combat and handling firearms
urban flax
From what we know they'll spawn with a knife, a flashlight and maybe a pistol
viscid marsh
hmm, did you make sure steam is running too? mentions that too
fleet axle
steam is running either
viscid marsh
mmm probs not the thing but try checking for corrupted files
fleet axle
mhm
ashen elm
I think you need to talk to Evrima trouble-shooting
They are the one's that help with this
hasty dagger
Damn, guess it was too trolly
Dondi Emote will live on in memory
paper oriole
plants and meat contain water, herbivores should get varying amounts of water from plants without rain, and carnis should get some water from fresh bodies
silk heath
@alpine pumice that's a very good detail and introduction, hope we can do that
worn pumice
XPLOYTED #IguanodonRights Pretty sure they'll switch over from UE4.64 (I think their on not entirely sure) to UE5
UE5 isnt out yet so whenever its out they'll most likely switch over
as a lot of other game projects will
alpine pumice
<@247120154486374411> that's a very good detail and introduction, hope we can do...
Thank you 😊
jade schooner
@stoic totem I believe there's no looking into fire. There has been ideas about forest fires (from don and the community), but those are hard to handle/balance (spread, damage, duration, etc). More focused fires, haven't heard anything.
If anything, if they are planned to be seen one day, it won't be in the near future.
stoic totem
<@!580134089152004097> I believe there's no looking into fire. There has been id...
Thanks for the info! The new screenshots just had me wondering…
paper oriole
Utah buff suggestion 
silk heath
@flat crypt I love the wind pushing grass that's just my opinion though 😅
flat crypt
oh don't get me wrong I like it too, but it shouldn't be pushing it in the opposite direction the rain is going
it just... doesn't make sense
paper oriole
I think it would be fucking hilarious if standing on metal structures during a storm had a chance to blow you up with lightning if you're a small dino, like just straight up pop you like a rotten tomato
It wouldn’t be unfair since the person would have to make the conscious decision to stand on metal structures for it to happen anyway
vale pawn
i can see the effects happening if lighting lands near you by like a couple meters, but if you get directly struck you straight up dead lol
paper oriole
Yeah it shouldnt just give your dino a cartoon shock moment they can shrug off after, though it shouldn’t also be pure RNG that can just throw all your progress away for nothing
past dune
guys, thoughts on mudslides and floods?
paper oriole
I has heard floods are planned, mudslides could be cool of done right, they could be very annoying if done wrong
urban flax
As long as they don't kill your dino that's cool
paper oriole
Environmental hazards in general would be cool as long as they don’t feel like a throwaway when you die to them
urban flax
Mudslides could be annoying to implement though, irl they change the landscape, but you can't really do that in-game
vale pawn
i just wanna get bodied by the wind
limber hull
i think, if there is an environmental hazard, it should give SIGNIFICANT warning
so like, a tar pit bubbles and looks like tar
still raptor
XPLOYTED #IguanodonRights Pretty sure they'll switch over from UE4.64 (I think t...
4.26
UE5 is in early access (kinda) and is really unstable
hoary dawn
I has heard floods are planned, mudslides could be cool of done right, they coul...
floods are not planned
droughts are
paper oriole
Oof for deinos
urban flax
A drought would benefit deinos more than floods
Lass water means less places to drink, and more prey for them
limber hull
thats true to a sense
allows them to better lock down their location and potentially have more prey, at the sacrifice of movement
urban flax
@barren zephyr What you're saying isn't true. In most cases, people just put ✅ and ❌ to other peoples's suggestions, and I've never seen someone putting a 
because of a simple spelling error. These are very helpful to know the overall appreciation of an idea from the people here.
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> What you're saying isn't true. In most cases, people just ...
Most people just put a check or an x, yeah, but a good amount of people use reactions to be condescending
either because of grammatical error or disapproval of the suggestion
urban flax
That's a minority of people and doesn't justify removing reactions for everyone
barren zephyr
what purpose do reactions serve in that channel anyway? it's not like the devs consider the ones with the most checks more
urban flax
As I just said, they give an idea of wether people like the suggestion or not
It's helpful for the one who posts suggestions, not for the devs
limber hull
quick feedback
silk heath
remember reactions is to help bring the feedback alive
barren zephyr
it would be way more helpful if people articulated why they disagree instead of using a condescending reaction
urban flax
And it can also be useful for devs tho, if they see a suggestion that they think is good but see 100 ❌ s on it and no ✅ , they might take a look in this channel to see why people hate it so much
hoary dawn
its a quick and easy way to show whether or not you like feedback
urban flax
it would be way more helpful if people articulated why they disagree instead of ...
What do you think I am doing ?
silk heath
bub got a point
barren zephyr
What do you think I am doing ?
I'm talking about people in general
urban flax
This channel has a lot of discussions going through it at most times
barren zephyr
when you can just add a 
reaction you don't have much reason to articulate why you disagree
leading to suggestions getting ignored wholesale and no conversation being had
urban flax
That's not like removing suggestions would make people who never talk in here discuss more
And the reaction means that this suggestion has no reason to exist
hoary dawn
people normally add to feedback that is repetitive or just really dumb
barren zephyr
And the <:TI_Shut:664683643872083979> reaction means that this suggestion has no...
yeah... why do we need a reaction for that? this is what I'm talking about
urban flax
And I rarely see it being used in an abusive way
hoary dawn
like people constantly asking for a playable that wouldn't be good or global chat
urban flax
yeah... why do we need a reaction for that? this is what I'm talking about
So that people can delete it to not clutter the channel ?
barren zephyr
So that people can delete it to not clutter the channel ?
are you meaning to say that the shut emote is used to flag suggestions for deletion?
urban flax
Actually this server is much more civil and enjoyable than when I joined it
urban flax
are you meaning to say that the shut emote is used to flag suggestions for delet...
Basically, yes
barren zephyr
Basically, yes
so can you show me that the discord staff use it that way?
because this is news to me
urban flax
Discord staff don't use it that way.
It's to make people understand that their suggestion has no reason to exist so they can delete it themselves.
barren zephyr
oh, I see
azure wadi
Like that one guy who failed at correcting the word favourite
limber hull
tbf, the favourite thing was really funny
urban flax
And usually, when people see a reaction under their suggestion, care about it and go ask in this channel why it is there, after people explain it to them they delete it
barren zephyr
I don't understand how simply telling people to shut up is gonna get then to make better suggestions. all that tells them is that if they make their unpopular opinion known, they will be ridiculed
that sounds less like "your suggestion is bad because x, y, and x" and more like bullying
urban flax
People most of the times don't put a under a suggestion that is just unappreciated
barren zephyr
I would disagree
I have seen some entirely realistic and logical suggestions get totally shut down because 30 people dogpiled them with condescending emotes
limber hull
eh
urban flax
Suggestions have been removed once because people were always insulting with them, but that second iteration of suggestions in the general feedback channel is surprisingly civil and well-used, for something that isn't moderated and has no rules tied to it
limber hull
i think most emote reacts are pretty fair
urban flax
Though, when someone is blatantly insulting with their reactions, usually a mod comes to take care of it
barren zephyr
I still see it. I don't think it's gone away
hoary dawn
most of the time reactions are used for their intended purpose and do it well, better to just moderate the passive agressive ones than to remove them alltogether
urban flax
Look
@paper oriole you should remove your reaction, you're making them right
barren zephyr
most of the time reactions are used for their intended purpose and do it well, b...
that's fair
paper oriole
Pfft fine
hoary dawn
i do think in general mods could be keeping the cool around these channels better, we've already lost some good channels due to lack of moderation
urban flax
isle-memes wasn't a good channel
urban flax
Maybe when I arrived here it was already too late, but the most I saw of it was just shitposting over and over
hoary dawn
that was what lack of moderation led it to
urban flax
@signal echo Titanoboa is planned, but will probably be one of the last additions to the roster
urban flax
They'll need to make a really good work with physics
left nacelle
Back when Filipe was first trying to make it, when tail physics were still gonna be a thing, he was about to give up. But someone suggested making the body from the head back count as a "tail" so the physics would work on the terrain correctly, and Filipe seemed optimistic about that idea but idk if he ever tried it
limber hull
also titanoboa would have to entirely specialise in strangling people to death, and require enough mobility tools to actually kill its prey
left nacelle
Plus you have to find a way to make the strangling actually look good
urban flax
I don't think titanoboa should strangle things
It would both be hard to make, not necessarily a good element of gameplay, and wouldn't look that good
I guess titanoboa could be semi-aquatic and hunt small prey ? But that'd hardly be interesting as well
limber hull
wasn't poisonous
urban flax
Titanoboa was aquatic and preyed on fish only
limber hull
eh, in that case, what's the point of it?
signal echo
<@!269992900824137738> Titanoboa is planned, but will probably be one of the las...
Wait for real?! That’s awesome! Can you please @me or DM with more information about it?!
urban flax
Do you mean in-game ? It'd need some fictionalization
urban flax
Wait for real?! That’s awesome! Can you please @me or DM with more information a...
I don't have anything more than that
urban flax
np
limber hull
the let it strangle dinos. It's quite literally the closest we have to how a non-piscivore creature of its type would attack
left nacelle
Maybe make Titanoboa able to swim and eat fish, but also ambush small prey on land. Give it some logs to hide in
urban flax
the let it strangle dinos. It's quite literally the closest we have to how a non...
Making snakes is already hard enough to not have it wrap around other dinos on top of that
signal echo
I don't have anything more than that
Can you at least tell me, if you remember, where you heard it from?
urban flax
Can you at least tell me, if you remember, where you heard it from?
Info from here and there, the devs also talked about it a few times on this server. Titanoboa was there in one of the old versions of Legacy but was extremely unfinished
signal echo
Cool :0
flat crypt
honestly i'd love dilo getting a big flashy keratin crest. it feels like the kind of thing they'd go for
azure wadi
@barren zephyr I’d like it as a customizable option but not as an out right replacement of our current dilo crests
barren zephyr
Well it seems about as much of a hassle to add as a cosmetic feature as a downright replacement
azure wadi
Well it seems about as much of a hassle to add as a cosmetic feature as a downri...
I believe that we’re getting alternate skins and stuff for dinosaurs in the future so it’s not completely impossible to come
arctic folio
Yeah constriction would either be trash or blatantly overpowered
When snakes do that they aim to stop blood flow and can feel your heart beat so it’s basically an instant kill
Not very fun if you just spent hours growing your little tenonto. If they were to add it, making it a primarily eat fish would be the only logical thing I could see. Venom would either turn into something that isn’t snake venom or it would blatantly broken
Snakes are just not fun to try and balance into a multiplayer game
urban flax
@normal shuttle Remove all mention of pelagornis in your suggestion and it's perfect
urban flax
Because some people out there (including me) really hate it and would downvote your feedback just because you mentioned it, even though it's good
urban flax
np x)
flat crypt
honestly my only gripe with wind impacting flight is like, being a poor unfortunate fresh spawn right as a storm hits. but that's a pretty specific circumstance anyway. i think wind would be a fun way of making flying more interesting
i remember seeing the thermal system being tested a while back when ptera was still in early stages of development. I do really hope they make a comeback, they'd be a really neat, realistic and immersive part of flying and gaining altitude
urban flax
Yes, thermals looked super good
As a mechanic I mean
Because... they are invisible
flat crypt
an ideal way around it imo would be some way of detecting thermals, but not something that just makes it straight up visible. so you know where the thermal vaguely is, the challenge is actually staying in it so you can rise
urban flax
Make thermals visible as a flyer when sniffing ?
flat crypt
something like that? something that indicates a patch of rising air
azure wadi
I’m not entirely sure why I added the venom part but I regret it a bit
urban flax
Titanoboa shouldn't get both venom and constriction
limber hull
boas aint venomous
azure wadi
boas aint venomous
I know, I realized that just now
limber hull
bury seems interesting tho
urban flax
And both abilities have a big downside
Venom is weird
Constriction most likely wouldn't work well
azure wadi
If I can edit images I’ll put in a version without the venom
limber hull
also "cold-blooded" seems redundant, since most dinos are cold blooded
urban flax
No, most dinos are warm-blooded
But I don't see cold-blooded being an ability like that either
Actually I think all dinos are warm blooded
azure wadi
Welp I can’t edit a new image into it
You guys got any ideas on what they should do with titano
urban flax
It would need heavy fictionalization to be viable
And it all depends on what niche the devs want to do with it
It could be a sneaky predator, but that would be redundant with deino and megalania, o a water brawler, but it would probably lose to spino so that's not super interesting
Maybe they can make it into an ambusher on land and a pursuit predator in water
With decent speed, a good amount of stamina and high-bleed attacks
azure wadi
I find a titano without a constrict pretty lame if I’m gonna be honest
urban flax
You know titanoboa irl didn't constrict, right ?
azure wadi
I guess titano was pretty lame irl as well, I didn’t know that
urban flax
irl titanoboa was aquatic and preyed on fish
azure wadi
What I mean is game play wise, I don’t find only being able to strike that cool
urban flax
That's why it'd need heavy fictionalization, but but a constrict attack would be hella hard to make and not that interesting gameplay-wise
worn pumice
It would need heavy fictionalization to be viable
magy
urban flax
That's like deino's lunge, apart that it doesn't need to drag you into water, and it probably would take a lot of time to wrap around its prey and start constricting it
azure wadi
Ok, what did you think of the ability to hide in the mud?
urban flax
It's pretty nice
Though not all riverbeds will be muddy
azure wadi
It's pretty nice
Though not all riverbeds will be muddy
Well that’d be a way of getting them to stay in a specific habitat
urban flax
Sure
azure wadi
It was my main way for them to not get torn to shreds by spino all the time
azure wadi
irl titanoboa was aquatic and preyed on fish
So more like a giant water snake than a giant anaconda
urban flax
It's a good idea, that's the kind of thing titanoboa needs to be able to survive The Isle
urban flax
So more like a giant water snake than a giant anaconda
Yes, exactly
azure wadi
I wasn’t a fan of it at first but it’ll grow on me over time, giant water snake is still cool
urban flax
That's not the most glorious way to survive, but hiding is the best one
And an animal this big that can hide in mud is pretty unique
hybrid matrix
@upbeat jackal debuffs aren't the way to handle mixpacking
haughty forge
And mixpacking is not only herbivores and carnivores together, can be carnivores with other carnivores species
upbeat jackal
<@109077264490078208> debuffs aren't the way to handle mixpacking
i wouldnt say handle it but just something to discourage it. as in real life if a hungry tiger is standing next to a chicken its gonna get hungrier and thirsty... it kinda has a real life thing to it
urban flax
And herbivores with other herbivores that aren't supposed to mixpack
upbeat jackal
predators salivate near prey
urban flax
It's not gonna die of hunger faster tho
upbeat jackal
It's not gonna die of hunger faster tho
i said lose hunger and or thirst
bc youre losing liquid salivating
urban flax
And remember proximity based debuffs are terrible becasue they are the easiest thing to abuse
hybrid matrix
Do reptiles salivate?
urban flax
i said lose hunger and or thirst
Exactly, that makes you die of hunger faster
And also salivating isn't enough to dehydrate you
hybrid matrix
they have saliva
I know that
Im just not sure if it they actually salivate
urban flax
Dinosaurs are closer to birds tho
And I'm not sure birds salivate either
hybrid matrix
Back to the subject, debuffs aren't a good idea
urban flax
Overpacking smell is a good example of what works, but it's hard to apply to mixpacks
hybrid matrix
Overpacking smell is a good example of what works, but it's hard to apply to mix...
I suggested something like this
urban flax
Because among a same species, if there is a lot of people in one place, it's extremeley likely that they're overpacking
But if there's a lot of people of different species in the same place, they might be fighting, just ignoring each other or could not even know the others are here
limber hull
good game design philosophy is rewarding a good player, not punishing a bad one
hybrid matrix
good game design philosophy is rewarding a good player, not punishing a bad one
Or, and hear me out, both
limber hull
but in general, you stick more to the carrot than the stick
urban flax
In a PvP game, rewarding a good player often involves punishing another one
limber hull
if you can help it
perks and growth are two things I think need to be looked at. I personally believe that perks should come after you reach 100%, or if you inherit them from a parent. If you supply growth penalties, this does nothing to stop the more powerful adults from doing the penalised thing without fear. You could have it that doing things with your own kind is rewarded with growth speed and perks, whereas vibing around other creatures with a general lack of activity is not rewarded as much, or at all.
limber hull
perks being an adult thing or an inheritance thing makes them WAY more interesting. You need experienced parents to grant you more skills.
which also means its important that your entire fucking bloodline doesn't get bodied
id honestly make strains (if strains are still planned) something that happen from constant upgrades in perks over and over again through multiple members of the bloodline until you end up with a mutated child with one of the strains
urban flax
I think strains should be awarded by consuming specific elements, like strain plants or strain creatures (depending on wether you're a herbi or a carni)
I don't know if herbis are getting any strain though, I know they aren't getting hyperendocrin but I don't know about the rest
Because if it's a matter of bloodline, then it'll just lead to strain clans
Some people farming perks on the empty hours of a server so their friends can then connect with strains
And people who don't have dedicated friends will never get the chance to get a strain
limber hull
thats true, but "eating funny plant" really doesn't seem like a fair way to get godlike power
urban flax
Depends on the plant
From the concept arts, strain plants look like they can eat you back
You might also need to eat a few of them, so you'd need to actively search for them
And if they make a special effect like a sound or scent when they appear, everyone on the server who wishes to become a strain would have to fight over it
tall oasis
@upbeat jackal Diets.
valid elk
Alright, tell me what you dudes/dudettes think.
normal shuttle
I see it as a nice suggestion
any insect or honey eater could be interesting for the game
steep warren
@valid elk I like that idea a lot and I also made a suggestion like that a while back that was close to yours if u wanna check that out.
valid elk
Oop, my b
safe galleon
@bleak spruce things like stego/trike aren't meant to have fighting as a last resort, also do you mean herbivores shouldn't be able to attack first or at all?
safe galleon
tenontos are also built more for fighting than running
bleak spruce
so then you dont get like a whole herd beating you up
safe galleon
but that's what herds are for
the carni shouldn't be able to walk up to herds and be completely invincible
bleak spruce
i mean the herd can attack if the carni attacks but if you just see carni then you shouldnt be able to run at the carni as a full herd and killing it
safe galleon
so just make the carni invincible to attacks unless it attacks?
and on top of that get a free hit on any player it chooses making it incredibly easy to hit weak spots
worn pumice
i mean the herd can attack if the carni attacks but if you just see carni then y...
so ur saying if a herd sees a carni their not allowed to run up and remove the threat?
if so thats bull shit
worn pumice
what
bleak spruce
we can see that in zebras
bleak spruce
one kick from a zebra can easily humble a lion but the whole herd chooses to run instead
worn pumice
r u saying this because pesky said something his latest video
bleak spruce
who is pesky?
worn pumice
nvm
this idea is just
no
i dont even get why this is an issue
u can stimulate real life behaviour in a player controlled dinosaur it doesnt work like that
bleak spruce
i was in a big utah pack and we managed to isolate a tenonto from a herd and right as we were about to kill it the herd comes and kills like 5 of us
urban flax
As intended in gameplay
safe galleon
like herds do?
worn pumice
ok and?
urban flax
That's exactly what is supposed to happen
worn pumice
the herd rescued their member whats the issue
safe galleon
should the herd just have let thier friend die?
bleak spruce
you dont see that in real life tho?
safe galleon
you do tho....
worn pumice
so?
safe galleon
not always, but herds do help eachother
worn pumice
what does irl behaviour have to do with the isle
bleak spruce
thats only the young
worn pumice
ok but again what does irl behaviour have anything to do with the isle
bleak spruce
isnt it suppposed to be realistic?
safe galleon
we have giant mutated monsters and humans and dinosaurs on an island with a robot that is basically god
bleak spruce
okay
worn pumice
if the isle was realistic utahs would much be more bulky, probably wouldnt pounce like they do (or at all in general) and a lot of dinos wouldnt be in the game such as stego
due to different Paleozoic times
urban flax
Also if they wanted The Isle to be realistic they wouldn't let humans control the dinos...
worn pumice
if the isle was realistic deino and stego would one shot each other
urban flax
Because with what you're saying, forcing animal behaviors onto humans, might as well just let the AI control your dino all the time
jade schooner
haughty forge
Plus what would be the point for players to just play the victime, the purpose is to survive wich they succeed
worn pumice
i hate it when a lot pesky vieweres come in and make suggestions just cuz he said something
"nerf teNos tuRn radius"
haughty forge
Tenontos are good the way they are, since they cannot outrun their predators they must have a way to defend themselves you barely see dryo players and hipsies attack back because they don't deal that much damage and have little live, but they can avoid fight and flee quite easily.
bleak spruce
i hate it when a lot pesky vieweres come in and make suggestions just cuz he sai...
who is this pesky guy you are talking about
worn pumice
a youtuber who makes content on the isle
I wasnt talking about ur suggestion just the ppl who watch him and then make suggestions with no thought cuz he said something about it
valid elk
I dislike temperature systems.
If you're something like Deinosuchus or Megalania, where you can sleep in the sun to heal or regain stam, then I agree to that.
urban flax
As long as that's not too restrictive I can agree with
But needing to hide because it rains seems quite bad
valid elk
But if you're a T.rex, finding a place to hunker down that isn't a cave that can hide a building inside is gonna be very hard. Like, incredibly hard.
haughty forge
Since caves will be a thing ... I guess de will see
urban flax
Maybe if they put back Atriums, like one with snow inside, there can be a temperature system coming into the gameplay
valid elk
I give it a tentative maybe, only because I like the idea of some animals hiding, but for dinosaurs who are on the warm blooded side, I'm gonna say only the smalls should do that.
urban flax
Even small shouldn't hide from the rain
Being small doesn't make you more sensitive to temperature
Actually it's quite the opposite
valid elk
So like, a Dryo can hide in its burrow to wait out the storm, cuz they have that ability, but they aren't punished for staying out in the rain if they want.
urban flax
There doesn't need mechanics to encourage dryos from hiding during storms
Even if there is no temperature system, you don't wanna do out during a storm
valid elk
Plus, the Forest kinda made me dislike temperature systems because you can just die if you have nothing to make a fire with.
haughty forge
I think rain will be punishing enought to not make it even harder like "ah there is a storm now you can't love at all for 10 minutes " or something
urban flax
BoB moment
haughty forge
Especially that in the isle, you get hungry annyway, why forcing people to stay put with the actual system that forces you to move or you don't grow
worn pumice
boB lol
literally dying from rain
u can die from standing near something that ur intimidated by its such a comical system
i rly dont want shit like that in the isle
limber hull
beasts of bermuda looks silly as hell lmao
neon rainbow dinos get fucking obliterated by a tornado
limber hull
im pretty sure watching an ocean creature launch itself into orbit from swimming upwards is pretty silly
worn pumice
infinite growth which for sum reason they thought it would be a good idea to have stats increase with it
so u can have a 5.0 rex kill anything it wants
its so badly balanced it seems like they dont even care lol
limber hull
probably because it doesnt
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestion 
Why would someone wanna add pachy before adding fracture, do they just hate pachy?
limber hull
yes
hoary dawn
they want pachy before diets
worn pumice
adding in pachy w/o fractures is just
wait did they upvote their own suggestion
they did
worn pumice
they need to add comas
otherwise it just looks like "Pachy into update 4 with fractures and diets in update 4."
they should add a coma after fractures"
urban flax
@tall oasis They don't want their game to be realistic, and I'm pretty sure they don't care about the fact troodon no longer exists, it has a cooler name
tall oasis
<@!591384445701980161> They don't want their game to be realistic, and I'm prett...
wa- whaa-
vestal rune
the fact that troodon isn't real anymore is actually great because it allows the dev to do whatever they want with troodon without worrying about appealing to the real animal
tall oasis
wat
vestal rune
wa- whaa-
you thought the game was trying to be realistic? It has dinosaurs from vastly different formations, humans and godamn strains
urban flax
Yes, we could argue it's actually an undiscovered yet genus of trodoontid
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr Troodon is not a real taxon any more, cry about it
vestal rune
a game with both stego and tyrannosaurus can't be realistic
tall oasis
you thought the game was trying to be realistic? It has dinosaurs from vastly di...
yes, but i mean the dinosaur species
vestal rune
yes, but i mean the dinosaur species
look at spino
urban flax
They aren't supposed to be realistic either
tall oasis
ahhhhhhhhhh
barren zephyr
yet again it can be easily justified as some other troodontid
e.g. Stenonychosaurus
vestal rune
it shouldn't, it should just be thought of as a made-up troodontid
tall oasis
it shouldn't, it should just be thought of as a made-up troodontid
so maybe AE mad it then...
urban flax
AE made everything
urban flax
What's that reaction
vestal rune
ye iirc in lore they're not actually meant to be revived real dinosaurs, they're genetic freaks
urban flax
It's the most evident thing of the game's lore
tall oasis
ah
vestal rune
they mostly just resemble dinosaurs
tall oasis
i thought the dinos survived extinction
barren zephyr
<@456226577798135808> Troodon is not a real taxon any more, cry about it
Didn’t ask
vestal rune
no, the dinos were created
tall oasis
vestal rune
also they potentially have human minds implanted into them but we don't talk about that
tall oasis
my life...
barren zephyr
i thought the dinos survived extinction
HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THIS
tall oasis
AH
vestal rune
HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW THIS
tbf the game isn't exactly clear with its lore
urban flax
i thought the dinos survived extinction
This kind of scenario is no longer cool since decades
vestal rune
I do wonder how you managed to be knowledgeable enough of the game to know what ben is but not know basic lore though
barren zephyr
The isle is the isle
vestal rune
ye but it's like the basic premise, and it derives from primal carnage
tall oasis
i was also going to make a suggestion about how ptera is unrealistic
urban flax
x)
vestal rune
you'd have to do that for like 80% of animals
I do wish ptera had a quad launch though
tall oasis
NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN IT BEEE
tall oasis
I do wish ptera had a quad launch though
yes.
vestal rune
not a proper one, it just awkwardly jumps into the air
barren zephyr
yeah, a suggestion for Utah. Utah is ugly.
tall oasis
yes
urban flax
I do wish ptera had a quad launch though
It has a quad launch
barren zephyr
Exactly why it needs changed
tall oasis
bye
barren zephyr
goodbye
tall oasis
vestal rune
go play saurian
vestal rune
what, what's wrong with saurian? it's a game that's actually trying to be realistic
tall oasis
don't wanna play dat
vestal rune
why not?
urban flax
Saurian looks cool tho
vestal rune
wdym gross? it actually has accurate dinosaurs
urban flax
It's way unfinished but seems promising
barren zephyr
I would play saurian. but. kinda dead atm.
vestal rune
it's got some of the best dinosaur designs out there
tall oasis
It's way unfinished but seems promising
hasn't updated in like a year??
urban flax
I would play saurian. but. kinda dead atm.
Isn't saurian single-player anyway ?
tall oasis
true
vestal rune
hasn't updated in like a year??
it got an update like a week ago
urban flax
hasn't updated in like a year??
The Isle moment
vestal rune
although that was a hotfix
barren zephyr
Isn't saurian single-player anyway ?
Yeah, but in terms of actual gameplay
vestal rune
it got a proper update a month ago
vestal rune
why not
tall oasis
gross
vestal rune
how is it gross though
tall oasis
its TOO realistic lmao
tall oasis
i like my dinos a mix between jw and rl
urban flax
So realistic is gross now ?
vestal rune
then why you crying about the isle's realism, that's literally what the isle has lmao
tall oasis
or without the fluff
tall oasis
then why you crying about the isle's realism, that's literally what the isle has...
uh
i um
urban flax
I love saurian's dino designs, but I love The Isle's too
They both fill their intended roles
tall oasis
BEN.EXE HAS STOPPED WORKING
barren zephyr
the isle sucks so, point taken
vestal rune
uh
you have animals like utah or rex which are heavily inspired by JP, and then animals like allo and para which are almost exactly like their irl versions
urban flax
I wish TI's rex has some feather coverage...
I can still hope it will have a feather option
tall oasis
you have animals like utah or rex which are heavily inspired by JP, and then ani...
a mix of them together...............
vestal rune
if it does get a feather option it should be minor
urban flax
I'm not talking about full covering, but at least something
Saurian's rex has a good amount of feathers
barren zephyr
I wish they would make the isles rex chunky
tall oasis
if the isle could maybe change rexes 3 and 1 call... and maybe utahs... then it would be the perfect mix
vestal rune
why do they need to be changed?
barren zephyr
not a fan of jp calls?
tall oasis
they are sounds from JW/JP with minor differences
tall oasis
not a fan of jp calls?
not exactly
barren zephyr
Because I despise them lol
tall oasis
the game could maybe just be more original
tall oasis
YES
vestal rune
I thought you didn't like feathers?
barren zephyr
hopefully we’ll be able to get feathers in the future as an option
tall oasis
poofy utah babas
tall oasis
hopefully we’ll be able to get feathers in the future as an option
yes we are
confirmed\
barren zephyr
Good
vestal rune
eh, that's not really what utah is meant to be ingame, honestly it should get renamed
urban flax
This probably won't happen
barren zephyr
utah is scrawny as hell-model wise
barren zephyr
I personally never liked the spino model. not playing spino. ever.
vestal rune
the spino model is good, but tap's design was much better
barren zephyr
Unfortunate
tall oasis
also in my opinion this is a downgrade
this thing looks like a rex but with a stretched snout lol
barren zephyr
Feathered option for spino 
urban flax
I genuinely want this
tall oasis
maybe....
urban flax
Maned spino
barren zephyr
Feathered teno
barren zephyr
let’s make everything feathered because why not
vestal rune
feathered megalania
urban flax
Yes
barren zephyr
feathered brachi
urban flax
Feathered trike, feathered stego
Even feathered anky
barren zephyr
Feathered Deinosuchus even
vestal rune
feathered titanoboa
tall oasis
EW..
vestal rune
feathered hypsi
urban flax
If some dinos are genetically modified to not have feathers although they should, they can also be modified to have feathers although they shouldn't
barren zephyr
naked hypsi
urban flax
But no feathered megalania, titanoboa and deinosuchus
I said every dino, not everything
tall oasis
wa wa
barren zephyr
Because it’s the scam man
tall oasis
yes
barren zephyr
But no feathered megalania, titanoboa and deinosuchus
I said every dino, not eve...
no. everything now
tall oasis
GTG
barren zephyr
tall oasis
I am going to cry in the corner of my room because the isle
urban flax
no. *everything now*
They're reptiles, and reptiles don't have feathers
barren zephyr
that doesn’t stop the isle devs
vestal rune
They're reptiles, and reptiles don't have feathers
dinosaurs are reptiles and they have feathers 
barren zephyr
actually, make a rock a playable and give it feathers
urban flax
dinosaurs are reptiles and they have feathers <:TI_WeSmart:464844598905405450>
No, dinosaurs are dinosaurs
tall oasis
sin.
vestal rune
No, dinosaurs are dinosaurs
no, dinosaurs are a type of reptile
urban flax
no, dinosaurs are a type of reptile
They're closer to birds than to reptiles
vestal rune
They're closer to birds than to reptiles
no, birds are a type of dinosaur, and are reptiles too
icy lion
birds are reptiles
tall oasis
guys quetz is going to take off with only it's feet.
vestal rune
<:TI_Squint:467591086177648646>
this is literally how they're classified lol
urban flax
Going by that logic, everything except fishes and invertebrates are reptiles
icy lion
no...
barren zephyr
birds are reptiles
tall oasis
birds are reptiles
my life is a lie
vestal rune
Going by that logic, everything except fishes and invertebrates are reptiles
no because reptiles are diapsids, synapsids like mammals aren't reptiles
also amphibians aren't either, and are amphibians
icy lion
they fall under reptilia. birds are archosaurs
icy lion
theyre dinosaurs
urban flax
birds are a type of dinosaur, meaning they are a type of reptile
They would if dinosaurs were actually reptiles
icy lion
dinosaurs are reptiles
barren zephyr
they
Are
Reptiles
vestal rune
They would if dinosaurs were actually reptiles
dinosaurs are literally reptiles, they're archosaurs which are reptiles
urban flax
bruh ok
barren zephyr
Birds are reptiles-meaning dinosaurs are reptiles as well
icy lion
either you consider all of archosauria as non-reptiles (which includes crocodilians and tortoises) or you consider birds as reptiles
urban flax
Is there an universe where birds are their own thing ?
icy lion
you cant cherry pick one small part of archosauria as non reptilian arbitrarily
tall oasis
birds are a type of dinosaur, meaning they are a type of reptile
i was sarcastic
vestal rune
Is there an universe where birds are their own thing ?
in common speak we generally consider birds seperate from reptiles, however in actual scientific classification they are a type of reptile
it's sort of how when we say "animal" we generally exclude humans even though humans are a type of animal
icy lion
yea
urban flax
you cant cherry pick one small part of archosauria as non reptilian arbitrarily
I'm french
My ancestors considered rabbits as birds
barren zephyr
Technically speaking birds are pretty much just a more advanced version of a reptile
icy lion
I'm french
My ancestors considered rabbits as birds
well i dont see how that changes things
vestal rune
Technically speaking birds are pretty much just a more advanced version of a rep...
more specialised maybe, but not more advanced
tall oasis
mammals are reptiles
vestal rune
no
vestal rune
mammals are synapsids, which aren't reptiles
urban flax
well i dont see how that changes things
I have cherry-picking whatever is a bird, or reptile, or anything else as a right in my blood
barren zephyr
Intelligence wise yes, the ability to hold on to things is a plus in my book too
reptiles can as well
tall oasis
barren zephyr
but some birds are specialized in grappling so, it all really comes down to the type of animal being used
barren zephyr
Technically speaking birds are pretty much just a more advanced version of a rep...
Birds are literal reptiles
Just a derived warm blooded clade
barren zephyr
Birds *are* literal reptiles
I said this already, scroll up
vestal rune
the angry birdsa re fighting
barren zephyr
Infuriated avians
urban flax
Raging reptiles
barren zephyr
^
ashen wasp
Angry archosauromorphs
upbeat jackal
I know that
Im just not sure if it they actually salivate
Large monitor lizards and komado dragons salivate today
Uncontrollably
left nacelle
I heard it phrased in a really good way: Birds are closer to lizards and stuff than crocodiles are, so if you say birds aren't reptiles, then crocodiles can't be either, since they're further from other reptiles than birds are
I know the conversation is over, I just wanted to throw that little bit in there lol
upbeat jackal
Thing is cross literally haven't changed in hundred million years
Theyre the same animal still
left nacelle
Well yeah, but it's still ridiculous to say crocs aren't reptiles
ashen wasp
Nah, birds and crocodiles are more closely related to each other than either are to lizards
Archosaurs, y’all
left nacelle
But birds themselves are still closer to lizards than crocs are is my point
hasty dagger
What the hell is going on-
Zebra Raptors!?
severe idol
Good camo, I guess. But it looks like a texture failed to load properly, @dark plinth. Verify the integrity of your game files. May unstick that.
dark plinth
gotcha, my friend was freaking out over it and wanted me to share it since they dont have the discord
pseudo patrol
But birds themselves are still closer to lizards than crocs are is my point
No birds and crocs are equally close to lizards. Birds and crocs are archosaurs, lizards are lepidosaurs. They're sister clades
left nacelle
No birds and crocs are equally close to lizards. Birds and crocs are archosaurs,...
Oh my bad my bad, I looked it up and got mixed up. What I meant to say is that birds are closer to crocs than crocs are to lizards and snakes, so it is impossible to say that birds aren't reptiles without also saying that crocs aren't reptiles
I had just woken up when I typed that lol
paper oriole
2
outer condor
^
sand scroll
Look at this lol
paper oriole
such a bold suggestion, we were all thinking, but were too cowardly to post it
sand scroll
wraith bobcat
Sorry for the random 2 it was a mistake xd
paper oriole
i assume you were meaning to react to the numbered raptor suggestion
wraith bobcat
Ye
glossy matrix
Thing is cross literally haven't changed in hundred million years
They definitely have
Paeudosuchia was so fucking diverse during the Mesozoic
The fact that people say this shit is flooring when you see how unique they got
stoic totem
@sand scroll The same thing happened to me. Also wrong chat
paper oriole
Cannibals aren’t an issue because there isn't enough fish, they're an issue because there's too many deinos. The problem will solve itself naturally in time
Most deinos seem to be killing eachother for sport anyway
ionic arch
No chance for any.. feathered theropod to be suggested? 👁️ 👁️
paper oriole
The concept spino barely stops midway for any realism and is almost entirely just movie monster, but it is at least it's better than what we got (not a high standard to beat anyway)
molten tulip
^
paper oriole
what even is that suggestion asking for
are they asking for dinos to be able to break their display crests or something and those dinos lose fertility? i am so confused
vast wolf
even still if thats what their asking that would never make it into the game and even still ornamentation does not affect fertility.
paper oriole
oh noo i broke my weird nose horn thingy now i cant make babies
yeah it seems like an odd idea
vast wolf
oh no, my cerato lost one of its brow horns in a fight with an allo. now i cant become elder because i cant make babies.
also humans really wont care about that stuff. just because your partner is missing part of their body in a game does not mean you wont be nesting with them.
paper oriole
humans are weird, we might actually prefer the busted up partner because they look cooler
so it should just be left to preference, if someone looking to nest gives a shit what the male's crest looks like they can discriminate all they want
manic flint
But birds themselves are still closer to lizards than crocs are is my point
This has already ended, but no, birds are closer to Crocs then lizards. They're all reptiles, but there are 2 distinct groups. The ones that birds and Crocs are part of are the archosaurs. Think first cousins vs second cousins. Lizards are birds and crocodilians second cousins, but Crocs and birds are first cousins lol
turbid rapids
Where can I find a game chat sorry I’m new
feral solstice
The fucks an ornamentation break
hasty dagger
Stuff like crests/frills I assume
left nacelle
This has already ended, but no, birds are closer to Crocs then lizards. They're ...
Yeah I know, I said a bit ago that I got mixed up since I typed that when I first woke up and it had been a while since I heard the info. What I meant to say is that birds are closer to crocs than crocs are to lizards and snakes, so it's impossible to say birds aren't reptiles without also saying crocs aren't reptiles, since birds are lumped in the middle there
manic flint
Ah ic lol
urban flax
@wanton hull What is the "mandatory for combat" part of diets that you're afraid of ?
limber hull
@balmy gust i hope this comes with the NV update