general-feedback-discussion

[pseudo falcon]

Herbivores benefit 10 fold with nesting. If you want players to balance out the ecosystem, give insentive, and if that doesn't work

allow them to nest in AI

[solar latch]

yeah I agree with that. I said this in the AI chat, but the amount of AI needs to be drastically increased on land

in the water its ok

but, I havent seen a dryo since mid update 2

[urban flax]

Even with all of this, I doubt you can get 75% of players to go herbivore

[solar latch]

which is why AI needs to be fixed asap

[urban flax]

Especially considering that most of them have to be small

[pseudo falcon]

The Ai imo should increase dependant on demand. If a player has incubated a handful of eggs and nobody takes them, let them nest in some Ai to take that position temporarily.

[solar latch]

^ thats a good idea

[pseudo falcon]

And make ai less likely to spawn in an area with nested in ai

Nesting is so integral to the current gameplay loop, it needs to be in the game and done well ASAP

[solar latch]

yeah. I was playing with some friends before and honestly finding them was such a pain in the ass lol

like its def not impossible but its needlessly hard rn

[pseudo falcon]

I think it's an oversight to be working on fractures and diets first when the game doesn't need them to fucntion. It literally needs nesting for the game to actually work as certain adult dinosaurs

specifically Tenonto and Stego

[solar latch]

^

also nesting will fix the deino spawn murdering too lol

[pseudo falcon]

Fix is sorta an overstatement

it'll be a good alternative to spawning in normally

because you'll spawn into the care of an adult willing to defend you...

presumably

[solar latch]

well, when deinos have nests, they'll be encouraged to move away from center because you dont want your nests near a bunch of hungry stuff at center

so, itll spread out deinos across the rivers

(and lakes when we have lakes)

[pseudo falcon]

especially seeing as parenting is a mechanic than needs more depth to it in terms of carrying babies and such, we should definitely see it prioritized over diets and fractures imo

[solar latch]

yeah. Tbh tho if nesting comes relatively quickly after diets its ok, but it cant be months

[pseudo falcon]

Not necessarily, you could possibly see a rise in Deino herds lmao

well, considering the depth that probably comes alongside diets

we can expect it to be half a year away

[solar latch]

god I hope not

[pseudo falcon]

Like the isle development is embarassingly pretty slow.

[solar latch]

Lmao yeah, I mean ik their team is smaller but still

[pseudo falcon]

every promise for speed is met by a setback that makes them take twice as long as anticipated before a premature claim to be speeding things up

it's ridiculous, and with that in mind

I at least want to see the important stuff in game sooner than later

[solar latch]

well im hoping that since the Pachy isnt flying or swimming that it at least gets finished relatively quickly

[pseudo falcon]

diets and fractures are clearly none integral to the game as legacy exists without diets and only minimal bone break to function acceptably

[solar latch]

yeah. Nesting really does need to be prioritized.

[pseudo falcon]

Well pachy might be finished relatively fast, diets and fractures if done correctly will probably take a while

[solar latch]

also not having night vision is p a i n f u l

[pseudo falcon]

specifically diets

true

but also none essential

[solar latch]

no, just pain. lol

[pseudo falcon]

don't get me wrong, I want diets and all the fancy stuff just as much as the next person

I just understand that if I want to be able to pass time playing this game

I need a proper gameplay loop for me and players in this player driven ecosystem to follow

nesting in a pillar that support the experience this game is trying so desperately to deliver

[solar latch]

mmhmm. Also, I think the map needs more work. Its also not game breaking, but in some parts its not very diverse

[pseudo falcon]

without it we're left with a unsatisfying battle royal with lackluster survival mechanics

[solar latch]

lmao yeah pretty much

[pseudo falcon]

The map is seeing development progress, but I also think it's priorities aren't straight

why do we care about beaches

when they're the least important area on the map

they're designed to not be explored

[solar latch]

yeah. I think next update is seeing a map update again tho

[pseudo falcon]

and it's been stated that it's intentionally designed this way

Just don't see why beaches are being updated first before everything else

[solar latch]

I mean if they're focusing on beaches they need things near the beaches that draw players

cus rn they're pointless

[pseudo falcon]

we could seriously use some none river connected watersources

[solar latch]

r i g h t

like a few lakes would be good here and there

like really even one big lake would be good

just as a non-river area

maybe some big islands in the middle

a dam maybe

idk

[pseudo falcon]

well, preferably smaller watersources, as the threat of a deino being in every water source is somewhat annoying at this point

[solar latch]

tru. tho I think deino populations will go down as more medium and big carnivores are added

like the allo is a great medium carnivore, so is the Sucho

stuff like that

[pseudo falcon]

of course, but seeing as we're not getting any new playables aside from pachy and troodon in the near future I'm incredibly pessimistic we'll be seeing the deino population die down anytime soon

[solar latch]

wasnt the dilo supposed to be soonish?

[pseudo falcon]

Nope

it was specifically removed from the update that it was promised to be included in originally

[solar latch]

welp

[pseudo falcon]

now playables are completely up in the air

we have no clue when playables are planned to be released and given the current work pace

I'd image sometime next year lol

[solar latch]

ffs if its next year imma shoot myself lmao

I just want this game to have options man

[pseudo falcon]

yeah, if it was up to me, I'd priorities playables and nesting.

[solar latch]

yep

[pseudo falcon]

Legacy still has a pretty populated playerbase because variety has a lot of value to it

[solar latch]

yeah exactly

thats why most of the ppl I know stay on legacy

even tho evrima has way better mechanics

[pseudo falcon]

mechanics aren't want drive people to play this game

and the devs turned a blind eye to what the actual core of what made people gravitate to the isle

[solar latch]

I mean when its done it wont, but thats probably gonna be like 3 years from now at this pace

<_>

[pseudo falcon]

my point exactly. So if we prioritize things correctly, we can obsolete legacy and have a very enjoyable game that people will happily play while they wait

mechanics are great, but they're not what makes the servers fill

the game has a solid enough core with the mechanics they've already added to support a variety of playables that would just recylce what already exists.

Quetz is a perfect example

[urban flax]

But if you implement playables before mechanics, then implementing mechanics will be much longer and much more tedious

[pseudo falcon]

depends what playables you introduce

if you're smart and just introduce palyables that don't necessarily require new mechanics

[urban flax]

Every playable is gonna be able to have fractures, right ? So fractures are necessary

Same goes for nesting and skins

[solar latch]

well, nesting could come first regardless of anything

that would fix the rage of not being able to find people lol

[pseudo falcon]

Well the current evrima build plays quite well without fracturing i'd say. it just lacks it's core appeals.

[fluid owl]

but the devs have specifically talked about why there doing mechanics over dinos first

[pseudo falcon]

I know, but I disagree with their reasoning. They're not always correct you know

Not every dinosaur needs the most elaborate and unique mechanical setup to be fun

we can just have another dinosaur with carno's charge ability different stats and it'll be fun

[solar latch]

I disagree there

[fluid owl]

same

[solar latch]

I think each dino being unique is important for the isle to be distinct from other games

[pseudo falcon]

Legacy is fun and every dinosaur is effectively the same

We in evrima at least have some variety in mechanics

[fluid owl]

also TI is a game of patients with everything

[pseudo falcon]

if we just carefully pick what dinosaurs we add and give them to

we can still add more mechanics later for new playables

[solar latch]

I mean I guess simmilar dinos could be added first to existing ones

just to fill it out

[urban flax]

We still need core mechanics though

[fluid owl]

agreed

[pseudo falcon]

Like I don't wanna see pachy without fractures, but I can totally see something like Para existing in evrima inconsequentially.

[fluid owl]

it’s still a beta

[urban flax]

What's planned currently in the roadmap is fractures, nesting and skins
Those are core mechanics

[fluid owl]

and venom

[urban flax]

Yes I forgot venom

And night vision too

[fluid owl]

along with venomous plants and and diets

[solar latch]

its been a beta for like 6 years tho <_>

[fluid owl]

which diets is a core mechanic to make herbis more enjoyable

[urban flax]

Evrima hasnt

[solar latch]

game ig

[urban flax]

It's not even one year since its release

[pseudo falcon]

I'd be surprised if people got upset that for example quetz got added as just an upsized ptera that could swoop up juvies and fly away with them. Like Quetz doesn't need new mechanics.

[urban flax]

Evrima and Legacy aren't the same game

[fluid owl]

well i would call legacy a more of a game then evrima

[pseudo falcon]

I disagree. Legacy has proper gameplay loops and a variety in it's roster

[solar latch]

yeah stuff like that could be added first

[urban flax]

Proper gameplay loops ? Variety ?

[fluid owl]

but then that would take away from petras gameplay and uniqueness

[urban flax]

There was more variety in evrima with 2 playables than in the entire legacy roster

[pseudo falcon]

Nesting exists in legacy. People enjoy herding and defending children, predators enjoy hunting them. Plus it has a day night cycle that actually helps certain predators

[solar latch]

which is why night vision is important

[pseudo falcon]

no, because ptera would take significantly less time to grow.

You'd get the quetz experience without having to spend ages growing it

[solar latch]

Quetz should take like 4-5 hours to grow like the deino

maybe more tbh

cus

its huge and can murder the shit out of stuff

[urban flax]

No it should take less

[pseudo falcon]

ptera would by no means be obsoleted even if Quetz was just a bigger stronger ptera

because at the end of the day, pteras could pick on and kill young quetz

[urban flax]

Quetz is lighter than a utah

[fluid owl]

but why play ptera if you could just play a better ptera

[solar latch]

if it doesnt take a long time its gonna be everywhere and be just as bad as the deino in terms of too many

[urban flax]

I think a fight between the two would be 50/50

[solar latch]

I dont want like 700 quetzs flying around

[fluid owl]

and also you can already kill baby’s and juvis as ptera

[solar latch]

if you make it take more time less ppl will play it

[urban flax]

No

[pseudo falcon]

Because it's not strictly better. growth times amount for something, additionally Quetz could be designed so that it can't turn as well at high velocities

[urban flax]

Rex is the longest growth in legacy, yet a lot of people play it

[pseudo falcon]

not only that but quetz wouldn't be a fisher

it would have to hunt grounded prey

[urban flax]

Deino and stego are the two longest growths in evrima, yet most people play deino and stego

[pseudo falcon]

Like Ptera would still be incredibly unique

[paper oriole]

2h 45m quetz

[fluid owl]

true

[solar latch]

yeah I guess

Like I said tho, 50% of the pop being one species is lame

[pseudo falcon]

yeah but there is no atlernative to deino or stego

[solar latch]

no matter what species it is

[solar latch]

which is why stuff like allo and Cerato is important

[fluid owl]

i want allo

[solar latch]

s a m e

[fluid owl]

very badly

[pseudo falcon]

they have the most interesting designs of the playables. Stego with it's tail attack with devastating bleed and power.

[solar latch]

Allo is my favorite by far

[pseudo falcon]

Like the reason they're the most popular is because there's no faster growing alternative

[fluid owl]

s a m e

like i can’t wait for its grapple ability

[solar latch]

frr

[pseudo falcon]

Like if they added kentro in, and just made it stego but smaller and faster growing with the impale mechanic that already exists, do you seriously think people would exclusively choose stego?

[solar latch]

no

which is why ur right abt similar variety being smart places to add dinos sooner than later

just to flesh out the game a bit

[pseudo falcon]

Kentro could literally exist as a copy paste stego, with altered stats, and the impale mechanic that I will state again, already exists.

Like they have a good foundation to work on

[fluid owl]

but the devs have said the kentro is going to be more defensive while the stegos is offensive

[solar latch]

still, the base already exists to make the kentro relatively faster than anything else

and more herbis is good

[pseudo falcon]

Ok, so they can still do that by altering stats. Stamina increases or speed increases drastically change a dinos aggressiveness

just look at maia

it was aggressive as fuck because it was fast

[urban flax]

Developing playables is a lot of time though
And it's time they're not using to make new mechanics

[pseudo falcon]

kentro could exist in current evrima and it's honestly low effort.

people would love it

[urban flax]

So that'd be repeating legacy with a ton of half-finished playables

[pseudo falcon]

what more could they possibly add to kentro

[fluid owl]

i’m personally ok for waiting for updates

[pseudo falcon]

everything they plan to give it exists.

[urban flax]

Damage reflect

[pseudo falcon]

Impalement already exists.

[fluid owl]

because TI is nothing but patients

[pseudo falcon]

and damage reflect isn't discussed as a thing

[solar latch]

I still think just adding way more AI would help with a lot of this and make the developing time a lot more bearable

[pseudo falcon]

yeah but not everyone has all the patients in the world

[solar latch]

cus, there is literally like 5 Ai on servers of like 100 people

lack of Ai is horrible

[urban flax]

You gotta be patient to follow through an early-access game's development

[wary sparrow]

kentro is the only animals on the RM i can think of that wouldn't need the same amount of energy put into it compared to the rest

[pseudo falcon]

it helps to have a good game to distract yourself with

[fluid owl]

play other dino survival game s

[wary sparrow]

but diets will come next, which will help add a game loop followed by nesting so I think we're good

[fluid owl]

agreed

[pseudo falcon]

All of the other dino survival games suck

[solar latch]

and Ai (god please)

^

[pseudo falcon]

idk nesting > diets

think nesting is more important

[wary sparrow]

I hope AI stays small and won't be able to effectively fill up larger carnivores

[wary sparrow]

i think diets are more importants

[solar latch]

yes I agree, there should be very few big AI

[wary sparrow]

it removes afk growing

[fluid owl]

yeah but they need to fix the fish AI so more dryo AI will spawn

[pseudo falcon]

not necessarily. It just makes it take longer

[solar latch]

Honestly nesting and diets should be in the same update

[pseudo falcon]

agreed

fractures are significantly less important

[solar latch]

yeah

[solar latch]

not really, I mean as I said before you can put like 200 AI in arma III and have rockets and missiles and tanks going around and frames hardly drop

literally just spamming smaller AI across the map would be better than the lack we have rn

[wary sparrow]

Well diets give you something to do while growing. If you add nesting without diets you will have the legacy situation where people afk grow until they are adults, make a nest and then sit around with their babies that are afk growing

[solar latch]

which is why we need them at the same time lol

[pseudo falcon]

When you have parents you don't afk grow.

At least in my experience

[fluid owl]

which is why we should have diets and nesting in the same update

[solar latch]

I hope they actually read this lol

[wary sparrow]

in my experience most people do so. they sit in their nesting ground, doing nothing except growing

[fluid owl]

ikr

[pseudo falcon]

predators find you because of the loud thundering parent you have with you. You get fed by your parent and get defended. It's significant more interesting because you're socializing with people.

[fluid owl]

mabye get some food, go out and hang with some friend, come back get food water, repeat

[wary sparrow]

it would've been better if nesting and diets would come together, but diets work better for more dynamic gameplay without nesting, while nesting without diets is pretty bland

[solar latch]

honestly I dont play this game alone ever, 99% of the time I get in a disc with some buddies and play like that

[pseudo falcon]

Most people I nest in and am nested in by keep the gameplay engaging enough to avoid a lot of afk growth

[wary sparrow]

isn't that basically afk growing ? sit in one place until you need food and water and then return to that place to sit around

[fluid owl]

imagine having friends that actually like the game or have it

[fluid owl]

that’s what i was implying lmao

[dire ridge]

Diet will, in theory, make the gameplay more dynamic and less afk growing. So imo its more important than nesting

[wary sparrow]

predators will find you with diets too, since you'll be heavily encouraged as a herbivore to migrate to certain regions where they can expect you

[solar latch]

lmao I have abt 6 ppl that play this game, 4 usually play with me at the same time

[pseudo falcon]

Diet's execution is completely speculative, we know how they plan to make the new nesting system generally so I can confidently say that it's important. We have no clue what the extents of diets will look like.

[solar latch]

other 2 every now and then

[wary sparrow]

it's not that speculative, we've gotten a lot of information on it

[pseudo falcon]

Just move place to get food to avoid debuff of sorts.

[solar latch]

I mean maybe but nesting is still important so ppl arent spending 20 minutes trynna find eachother for no reason

[pseudo falcon]

We don't know the extents of it if it's even worth persuing etc.

[dire ridge]

We don't know how the new nesting will be either.

[fluid owl]

yes but spawn region is a thing for that exact reason

[solar latch]

its still stupid hard finding newer players

[dire ridge]

With the new spawn region system, it should not

[solar latch]

cus they have no idea where stuff is

[dire ridge]

Teach them

[solar latch]

I was lmao

[fluid owl]

yea but that’s there fault for not playing sooner

[dire ridge]

XD

[solar latch]

lmao

[pseudo falcon]

We know that it will create gender roles which at a base level means it will encourage you to seek out your species, we know that nesting as a mechanic will function as a way to invite friends to join you directly. That's all we need to understand that the mechanic is important to the multiplayer experience of the game.@dire ridge

[solar latch]

it was actually sovietwomble's video that convinced them to get the game more than anything

[fluid owl]

lmao

[dire ridge]

And the diet is important for the core gameplay loop

[wary sparrow]

we know that herbis will have very strict diets they'll have to follow. Their food will grow in certain regions so they'll have to go to these places if they want to follow their diet. The plants in one region will deplete after use, so the herbis will have to migrate every now and then, the larger the herd the more they'd have to move. Carnis will have preferred prey that they can expect at certain parts of the map

[solar latch]

that'll be nice

[pseudo falcon]

The core gameplay loop is multiplayer interaction. Diets is straying from what the core of the game is, not that it's a bad thing, but its arguably a lot less important or a core feature. @dire ridge

[solar latch]

force movement across the map

I agree its not as important as nesting or adding variety to dinos and the map tho

[dire ridge]

You're wrong imo, diet is much more needed

[pseudo falcon]

Yes but the execution of this is comepletly speculative, where as with nesting, as long as you can invite someone to join your nest and help them grow, it functions well enough to not have to worry about the intricacies of it. With diets the intricacies are the primary focus.

[wary sparrow]

diets are the best thing the devs ever thought of to make the game an actual game

[fluid owl]

diets are still pretty important and will make the game a lot more immersive which imo immersiveness is key

[solar latch]

I agree too, but we need more dinos

without variety it feels stale at times

[pseudo falcon]

You can think that, but you don't seem to have a very compelling argument to persuade me otherwise.

[dire ridge]

Mechanics first tho

[solar latch]

but dude I dont wanna wait fuckin 3 years for all the dinos to be out xD

[urban flax]

You're gonna have to

[pseudo falcon]

true

[wary sparrow]

I think the amount of dinos is fine atm, we'll get pachy soon-ish and troodon will follow it so we'll have at least 5 carnis and 5 herbis once we get to update 6

[pseudo falcon]

lol

[dire ridge]

Lati already said pretty much everything about diet

[urban flax]

developing a game takes time

[solar latch]

I know its just painful as fuck not having variety

[dire ridge]

Diet will make the game more dynamic and less afk growing.
It will give a purpose to player, make them move on the map

[urban flax]

You gotta learn patience

[solar latch]

Anyways if the current roadmap doesnt change, I really hope it only is a few months to do updates 4 and 5

[wary sparrow]

I remember when the addition of dryo made the game feel much better. A single new dino once every few months can still add a lot to the game

[solar latch]

because only 1 dino makes it imo a lot less hard to do those things

[pseudo falcon]

Lati explained what's planned not how it will be executed. Nesting is hard to mess up, but diets is something that stirs things up in a way that can actually make or break the enjoyability of the game. which brings another point in favor of adding nesting. It's significantly less complicated and could add to the game without taking ages.

[wary sparrow]

I hope update 4 and 5 will be out by september-october

[solar latch]

hoping august but that is more realistic

[fluid owl]

just don’t play one dino for like a month and when you play it you will feel like the game has variety XD

[pseudo falcon]

Like if you add diets to the game that are annoying it will make playables with annoying diets potentially unfun. The mechanic is completely up in the air and could go whatever way. Nesting doesn't change the game enough on a mechanical standpoint that it could break the game. It only improves the multiplayer experience

[dire ridge]

You're assuming that nesting will be easier than diet. That's your mistake

[solar latch]

lmao I guess, playing the utah today was nice since I hadnt played it for a while

[fluid owl]

yeah update 4 should hopefully be out by july

[solar latch]

I mean its what 3 things lol

Fractures isnt even that much stuff

just a limp and some fuckin moving slowly

basically

[urban flax]

No it's more complex

[pseudo falcon]

The only added complications that nesting had been proposed to have is a building process, and interactable eggs. Sounds a lot less complicated than devising and entirely new system with food and diets unique to every species.

[dire ridge]

Nesting in evrima will be more than just a copy of legacy nesting

[fluid owl]

but the cool thing about fractures is it’s going to be locational

[solar latch]

oh shii fr?

[urban flax]

You gotta have fracture gamage for every attack, fracture resistance for every body part, different fractures, ways to heal them, effects of fractures on gameplay...

[solar latch]

thats cool

well def more complicated than legacy

thought they were just gonna ig copy paste fractures

cool though

[urban flax]

They're not redoing any of the garbage mechanics from legacy

[fluid owl]

yeah like if you get hit in the head your going. to have like a minor fracture and you vision will be a bit fuzzy

[urban flax]

Random leg break, ambush... these things aren't coming back

[solar latch]

well, relative to say adding the deino or ptera I dont think itll take as long

[solar latch]

thats cool af

[pseudo falcon]

We have no clue if fractures will be that advanced. As far as I'm concerned it will maybe cause a sort concussion debuff and maybe slowly amount to a limp, but I doubt they'll create a limp animation for every limb and different implications for each lol

[urban flax]

They said they hope no update will ever take as long as the implementation of deino and ptera (updates in the rodamap I mean)

[golden beacon]

Awww leg break such a shit mechanic

[fluid owl]

yeah that’s why i’m more excited for fractures now

[solar latch]

t h a n k f u c k

[urban flax]

They pretty much confirmed fractures will be locational and based on fracture damage

Instead of % chance

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure friendly fire already has a small reduction and they shouldn't push it any further

[solar latch]

well then actually if fractures is gonna be not shit, then prolly the Pachy will be the shortest part of it lol

[fluid owl]

yeah punchpacket did confirm this

[zealous violet]

devs should not have control over group limits for personal servers.

[solar latch]

I agree

caps should be made by server owners with a template given by the devs to use if they want

[pseudo falcon]

right but not every attack will deal fracture damage to my knowledge. There's a reason it's being added alongside pachy ad far as I can gather and the reason being that pachy's charge will be the primary source of fracturing when the mechanic is released aside from maybe fall damage

[urban flax]

Yes, but Pachy charge won't be the only fracturing attack either
Teno's tail slam, carno's charge and deino's bite all have good chances of dealing fracture

[solar latch]

i'd imagine a deino would break a lot of bones lol

[fluid owl]

i think being rammed by a carno would fracture something

[solar latch]

^

or like a ptera flying into a wall

that would prolly break something

[pseudo falcon]

Right but these are all assumptions. They could literally just make it exclussive to specified attacks the same way tenonto only deals bleed on its alt attack.

[fluid owl]

oh yeah and the tennos kick would do something to

[pseudo falcon]

"Would", more like could.

[solar latch]

I hope its more fleshed out than that

[urban flax]

That'd be kinda lame

[pseudo falcon]

The devs despite claiming to be a lot more transparent are leaving us with bare bones knowledge and a bunch of concepts we know little to nothing about

[fluid owl]

yeah and knowing dondi it’s more likely to be fleshed out than. not

[urban flax]

If you wanna know everything going behind the scenes, you gotta be a part of the dev team

[pseudo falcon]

That's why I like nesting so much, because it's simple and can't be changed too much.

[dire ridge]

Agree

[golden beacon]

Carno ram is pretty useless atm and if it can fracture then that will probably make it better

[solar latch]

fr sure

also ngl ive never been rammed by a carno

[dire ridge]

If you you still can't hit, not really lol

[pseudo falcon]

hold up leme just become an isle dev real quick

[fluid owl]

yes but punch said that they plan on each dino having its own unique nest

[golden beacon]

True but you arent supposed to turn with it

[dire ridge]

Didn't say you're suppose too

[blissful onyx]

Oh thats exciting

[pseudo falcon]

Sounds great. Modeling nests doesn't take THAT much effort.

As someone who 3D models I can guarantee that.

[fluid owl]

it will take time tho

[pseudo falcon]

of course

[solar latch]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-party-sing-nest-screeching-gif-4995179

ignore the birds

a nest like that would be cool

[pseudo falcon]

but for like 10 playables it can't take that long

[solar latch]

if you could dig it into trees n stuff

[fluid owl]

for hypsi yeah

[solar latch]

^^^

[pseudo falcon]

Like for a lot if models for nests it's literally just a bump with a texture and maybe some leaves on it

[solar latch]

well u gotta be able to move in the nest

it cant just be a block u cant interact with lmao

[fluid owl]

they plan to have like nesting in cliff sides and in trees and stuff aswell

[pseudo falcon]

and since the isle likes to use realistic textures the texturing process is pretty easy with a plentiful amount of online resources.

[fluid owl]

XD yeah lmao

[wary sparrow]

Diets for 9 playable can’t take that long either

Then again carnivore diets are super simple so most of the effort with diets goes into the 5 herbis

[pseudo falcon]

Yeah but that's pretty simple aswell. Making structures only buildable in specific areas is common play in video games. "Nest can only be built on branch with unique brach nest model" lol like it doesn't take nearly as long as devising an entirely unexplored system

[solar latch]

honestly I dont like forcing players to nest in certain areas

letting them find and pick the best spots is better by far

[wary sparrow]

Diets is really only eat this plant and grow faster and don’t eat this plant grow slower, that ain’t hard to code either

[solar latch]

they have to design/create new plants tho

which is some time

[urban flax]

No that will be tied to perks

[pseudo falcon]

dieting is new and requires tweeking and balancing and the entire development process. Nesting just needs the bug fixing and implementations. It's all there they just need to add it. Where as diets is something being built from the ground up

[urban flax]

It will be much more complex than that

[wary sparrow]

I think you still can. Nesting grounds will probably just increase incubation rates

[wary sparrow]

That’s diets

[solar latch]

eh idk I like being able to pick and choose

[pseudo falcon]

Like nesting is a significantly more simple and faster to implement.

[solar latch]

relatively yea

[pseudo falcon]

It's equality as impactful and in an area of the game that can only be seen in a positive light. Diets is a punishment mechanic

nesting is a social and multiplayer improvment mechanic

it's more important and I see no reason to think otherwise

[solar latch]

idk the isle is built on being realistic and diets arent really in any other similar game

so its does also rly set it appart

I guess thats maybe why they're making it this update

tho again I think nesting and diets should just be 1 update lol

equally important imo

[pseudo falcon]

Oh well, I'll just have to wait an obsurdly long time for nesting for no good reason.

[solar latch]

xD

[fluid owl]

agreed

[pseudo falcon]

The isle never needed diets to be fun, sure it has potential to eliminate bad gameplay, but it also introduces a lot of new unexplored territory.

We'll likely see a lot of distaste for the mechanic

pun intended

[solar latch]

eh I think its good. It depends how they do it but if they do it right itll be great imo

[pseudo falcon]

I never liked having to move across the map as a slow dino. Now they're making a mechanic to force me to lol.

[fluid owl]

same with perks and humans and venom and fishing and whatever new they decide to add

[pseudo falcon]

Well the thing is, most of what you mentioned adds gameplay that doesn't affect eveyone directly and unavoidably the same way diets does

[fluid owl]

but moving as a slow dino in a herd is a ton more fun imo

[pseudo falcon]

you can hide from your diet like you can a human or venemous creature.

[pseudo falcon]

You're not wrong, but we need nesting for that to be significantly more efficient lol

[solar latch]

xD I dont think itll kill you for not eating your diet, just not give you full stam/other stuff

just a debuff if i had to guess

[pseudo falcon]

Otherwise you get the slow dino being forced to move around by itself and expose itself to dangers it wouldn't have to expose itself to otherwise

There's no choice

[fluid owl]

ig

[pseudo falcon]

idk diets it weird all around

[solar latch]

like I said it depends how they do it

[fluid owl]

true

[pseudo falcon]

Like how will diets work with nesting

to nest you stay in one spot

diets make you move around

[fluid owl]

nest in the area your diet is in

[solar latch]

I guess you need to figure out a good middle ground for the nest and your food

[pseudo falcon]

how can you nest with diets, how easy are they to ignore

[solar latch]

and water for that matter

[pseudo falcon]

Like food depletes fast man

especially as a stego

you monch an entire bush yourself

[fluid owl]

or a hypsi

[pseudo falcon]

Like how can I maintain two adult stegos and a nest when diets are a thing assuming diets are integral.

[solar latch]

well theyre adding more plants im assuming

so

differnt types of bushes

and grazing too

[pseudo falcon]

Like imo there's no way diets are so important they can't be ignored otherwise they disturb the gameplay loop too much and cause problems

Like in a lot of scenarios you'll be forced to ignore you diets and just eat regular bush

hunger does not wait for you to find your prefered salad

[fluid owl]

XD

[pseudo falcon]

The more I think about it the less important diets seem and the more important nesting seems

[solar latch]

as I said, they need to be bunched t o g e t h e r

[fluid owl]

ok ok we get it you want nesting. before diets

[solar latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-brachiosaurus-ankylosaurus-boat-tour-jurassic-park-gif-16077493

we need these big boiis

ankys and brachys

[pseudo falcon]

yes I'm biased right now but I dont feel anyone has given me a good idea of how dieting can be done without being too impactful and disturbing the gameplay cycle.

[urban flax]

Diets will be disturbing to the gameplay cycle because they're at the core of it

[pseudo falcon]

well gheez I hope my argument was at least somewhat convincing. I put a lot of thought into it lol

[fluid owl]

it was but the fact is there is nothing we can do to change the roadmap

[pseudo falcon]

But the roadmap changed based on feedback

we just need to change it MOAR

[fluid owl]

and if it was up to me diets and nesting would be in same update

[solar latch]

^

honestly they could move the pachy over to the next update and just do the mechanic stuff this one

i'd be fine w that

[fluid owl]

same

[pseudo falcon]

So basically I'll conclude this ted talk with, Fractures are overated.

[fluid owl]

i’m patient seeing as i can never make it to 100% as a deino yet i keep trying

[solar latch]

its so much easier with a group

specifically

a bigger deino

lol

[fluid owl]

yeah

[pseudo falcon]

can't even be bothered to grow a deino. Doesn't matter the server the overpopulation has me dissuaded.

[fluid owl]

yeah

i actually main ptera

and tenno

[pseudo falcon]

With a carno pfp.

[solar latch]

I did utah today and ngl it was pretty fun imma do it more

[pseudo falcon]

That's surprising

[solar latch]

carnos are like rexes rn

on land at least

lmao

[pseudo falcon]

I suppose carno will be more appealing once it's no longer the only mid sized land predator

[fluid owl]

but i have this goal we’re i have to grow. every dino in the game and once i’m done it gets reset when a new update comes out

[pseudo falcon]

Yeah I used to motivate myself to play with similar goals

[solar latch]

also ngl they should add achievements on staem

[fluid owl]

i like the art work ok

[solar latch]

steam

low priority

but

achievements would be nice

[pseudo falcon]

fair

I basically main ptera aswell. My favorite playable is definitely stego atm tho

[fluid owl]

i mean they plan to add achievements and a story but that’s with humans and i’m like never gonna play a human

[pseudo falcon]

I just want a hadrosaur in evrima.

[fluid owl]

tenno

[pseudo falcon]

I don't think I'll live long enough to see humans in the isle

[solar latch]

I just want my allo

;-;

[fluid owl]

well ig its a igaunidonted

[pseudo falcon]

yeah. not a hadro

[fluid owl]

s a m e

[solar latch]

honestly idk i think they'll be in next year

[fluid owl]

yeah

[pseudo falcon]

optimism.

[dire ridge]

Current gameplay loop is plague with Afk grow, so diet need to "disturb" it

[pseudo falcon]

encouraging but I know better

[fluid owl]

i’m gonna main ptera, allo, herrera, troodon, tenno, and anything else that’s super appealing to play to me

[pseudo falcon]

As long as diets are less important during the adult stage I won't mind it as much

If maia or camara gets added don't expect to see me play anything else.

[solar latch]

also speaking of allo, it would be a good counter to carnos in terms of medium sized carnivores

[fluid owl]

prob won’t be because when your an adult you can eat whatever you want because you don’t have to worry about growing

[solar latch]

same with cerato I guess but allos are cooler lmao

[fluid owl]

agreed

[pseudo falcon]

is diet seriously only growth related?

[fluid owl]

pretty much

[solar latch]

what rly

u sure

[fluid owl]

i mean you’ll get de buffs but

[pseudo falcon]

To me that's like saying girls without nose piercing are less interesting than girls with. I disagree strongly lmao

[dire ridge]

We know for sure that sticking to your diet (as much as possible) will boost your growth. Overhaul its to make the growing more interactive and less "waiting till adult stage to play"

[pseudo falcon]

Cerato horn superiority

[solar latch]

n o

allo gang

https://tenor.com/view/sauropod-allosaurus-running-jumping-animal-gif-17282623

[dire ridge]

Its the only thing we know for sure i think

[fluid owl]

y e s

[solar latch]

also we need diploticus

for medium/apexes to hunt

[bold umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/allosaurus-looking-around-dinosaur-gif-17293042

[solar latch]

https://tenor.com/view/diplodocus-allosaurus-walking-with-dinosaurs-animated-gif-17300180

[fluid owl]

plus allo will be a good. counter for stego

[solar latch]

^

[pseudo falcon]

Alright well so long as it's not weighing down the adult stage of growth I won't be too worried. I had it in my head that there would be negative reprocussions to not following a diet even at the adult stage

[fluid owl]

god was walking with dinosaurs a good documentary

[wary sparrow]

Cera chad

[pseudo falcon]

except the wwd allosaur looked stupid

[solar latch]

fr I loved it as a kid

[pseudo falcon]

a man of culture

[dire ridge]

Following a diet when adult can open the way to elder stage if im not mistaken

[wary sparrow]

We need WWD 2021 edition

[fluid owl]

XD lmao

[solar latch]

y e s

i'd pay for that

[fluid owl]

same

[wary sparrow]

We should make a fund for it

[pseudo falcon]

Well, elders is so far away I can't be bothered to consider that.

[fluid owl]

you are not i believe

[pseudo falcon]

Basically that translates to me as diets won't matter as an adult, which I honestly think is probably a good thing.

[fluid owl]

elders lead into perks which connects diets with perks

[dire ridge]

Indeed

[wary sparrow]

Well you still kinda have to follow the diet once you are adult. Some things just won’t fill you up compared to others

[fluid owl]

true

[pseudo falcon]

Possibly

[dire ridge]

Maybe

[wary sparrow]

And some plants may be entirely inedible or poisonous for some herbis

[fluid owl]

but you could be a opportunistic salad eater

[pseudo falcon]

I hope not. I don't want to be punished for nesting in an area that I eventually depleted of my diet prefered food.

[wary sparrow]

So I guess you’ll still follow it but not as strictly

[wary sparrow]

Well you will either way because your children will need to follow their diet

[pseudo falcon]

Especially given nesting will require a pair now. Meaning more food.

oh god you're right

[fluid owl]

at that point your children should hopefully be juvis and are ready for a migration

[pseudo falcon]

internal screaming

[wary sparrow]

You’ll probably nest a few kids and then will have to start migrate once they’ve grown a little

[blissful onyx]

Thats exciting tho cant wait for migration stuff

[pseudo falcon]

just nesting as big herbivores with the theorized system sounds like pain.

[fluid owl]

which makes it so you don’t take on so many baby’s at once only the amount that can sustain you diet area

[pseudo falcon]

maybe we'll have more of the sea turtle style nesting parents than I anticipated

lmfao

[fluid owl]

Which makes it so you need strategy when nesting

[pseudo falcon]

Honestly not opposed to the idea. Joining a nest that just hatches a swarm of baby sauropods would be amazing

[fluid owl]

and only one surviving to adult hood

[pseudo falcon]

Like even if you don't have parents to defend you, you would still have safety in numbers and a group to socialize with while you grow

[solar latch]

I mean isnt that how it was irl (they think)

[wary sparrow]

I like the way nesting is heading

[pseudo falcon]

Just tripping your sister so the predator eats her first.

[fluid owl]

lmao yes

[pseudo falcon]

[solar latch]

[wary sparrow]

Getting nested, enjoying 10-25 minutes in peace growing, then getting as much food into my belly before my herd migrates

[solar latch]

herding is a must

[fluid owl]

lmao

[solar latch]

that isnt there atm

[fluid owl]

agreed

[solar latch]

ive seen 1 herd so far since update 3 came out

[pseudo falcon]

I think it would be cool if they tried to create a nesting systeme that allowed you to create that sort of baby swarm like a sea turtle nest

[solar latch]

it was like 4 tenontos 3 stegos and a bunch of dryos and a few hyspis

sauropods would fix that I think

[pseudo falcon]

Like almost a queue where the nest only hatches when a certain capacity is reached and all the eggs are incubated

[fluid owl]

also we need allo to counter stego cause carno isn’t suited to take on a stego and nither is deino

[solar latch]

but that means we need trikes n stuff too lol

[pseudo falcon]

wonder if maybe cerato is getting beefed up enough to take on stego

[solar latch]

ngl hope not

cerato shouldnt be in that role

[pseudo falcon]

cerato rex

[solar latch]

thats the allo role

xD

n o

[pseudo falcon]

Hyena niche

[fluid owl]

agreed

[pseudo falcon]

beats up whatever tf it wants

[urban flax]

Hyenas don't take on elephants

[solar latch]

lmao na but cerato should be the king of smaller shit

[pseudo falcon]

stego isn't to that equivalent imo

[urban flax]

No, it's much stronger
and better armed

[solar latch]

like anything from a hyspi to a juvi stego should be within its killing range I think

[pseudo falcon]

Cerato is about half it's weight where as a hyena wouldn't be close to half an elephants weight lol

[fluid owl]

cerato would def compete with carno since they both filled the niche of hunting small prey

[solar latch]

^

[pseudo falcon]

yeah but comparably so is cerato

[urban flax]

Cerato half Stego's weight ?

[solar latch]

ayo whut

tf it is

xD

cerato is way less

[pseudo falcon]

Stego is 4 or 6 tones?

[wary sparrow]

Cerato packs definitely could tackle sub stegos

[pseudo falcon]

can't remember

[urban flax]

Stego is 6 tons
Cerato is 1.5

[solar latch]

packs sure, but not solo

also, packs for cerato should be relatively small

[wary sparrow]

Of course not

[solar latch]

fr sure smaller than allo packs

[wary sparrow]

I think 3-4 would be good

[pseudo falcon]

I feel like cerato could be closer to 2 if they decide to push it closer to recent estimates

[fluid owl]

4-7 for allos

[wary sparrow]

No they should be kinda the same, both rather low

[urban flax]

That's still way under half stego's weight

[solar latch]

Imma say 5/6 allo packs

leaning more towards 5

[pseudo falcon]

1/3 of your prey's weight is pretty common in nature my dude

[fluid owl]

o think allo packs should be an even number

[solar latch]

the allo packs in legacy were too big imo

[wary sparrow]

Allo is more of an ambush predator in evrima so it wouldn’t make sense for them to have big packs. 4-5 at most

[pseudo falcon]

also the nyche of a hyena had nothing to say for it's actual stats, just it's tendencies

[solar latch]

needs to be more than cerato tho I think regardless

having it the same or less than ceratos is dumb

[pseudo falcon]

likes to bully the lions off their corpses kinda deal

scavenger bully

[urban flax]

Not when your prey is armed specifically to puncturing your skull

[solar latch]

isnt that utahs lmao

[fluid owl]

allos are jurassic lions

[solar latch]

big ass utah pack bully stuff off of corpses

[pseudo falcon]

Nah utah is an outright packhunt don't know where you got that idea from

[solar latch]

well im talking abt in game thats what utahs do

they bully stuff off of corpses

[pseudo falcon]

Not in my experience

They scavenge but seldom bully.

[solar latch]

ive had that happen plenty of times lmao

[pseudo falcon]

as what?

[solar latch]

tho, i guess the troodon will make more sense to do that

[pseudo falcon]

another utah?

[solar latch]

allo

[fluid owl]

therefore allos should have prides

[pseudo falcon]

Wha...

How...

nvm.

[solar latch]

xD yea it was on a no rule server and there were like 20 of them

[pseudo falcon]

legacy probably on a no alt turn server

oh well don't care anymore

[solar latch]

lmao

anyways im going to sleep

cyall

[pseudo falcon]

night

[wary sparrow]

Bye

[fluid owl]

i was an allo on legacy killed a para and dilos bullied me off the body

[pseudo falcon]

my nearly 2am isle discussion ends only when I'm satisfied

[fluid owl]

lmao yeah

[pseudo falcon]

Dilo is more of a bully

[fluid owl]

definitely

[pseudo falcon]

Bigger, has venom. Utah not so much

Cerato is the peak bully tho

Even has the fashion for it

Nobody rocks a punk look better than cerato

[fluid owl]

troodon is gonna bully the meanest bully i can already see it

[pseudo falcon]

Nah, troodon is undoubtedly a pest

very notable distinction

[fluid owl]

yeah

well

the pest will get rid of the pest hypsi

[pseudo falcon]

depends if troodon has to grow or not

[patent garden]

leave the glorified chickens alone

[fluid owl]

troodon will

[pseudo falcon]

hope they don't make too mant dinos without growth cycles. Don't enjoy hypsi for that reason

[urban flax]

Of course it will
Hypsi will have growth too

[patent garden]

i thought hypsis lack of growth was temp?

[pseudo falcon]

no clue how temp it is

[fluid owl]

hypsi will get a growth

[pseudo falcon]

pretty sure hypsi growth is exclusive to being nested in

[fluid owl]

there working on the models for baby’s and stuff

[pseudo falcon]

They already have the model

[urban flax]

But not the texture nor the animations

[pseudo falcon]

they showed us what a hypsi chick looks like

aren't the animations just adjusted from the adults to fit the juvenile

pretty sure that's what bryan does

[urban flax]

That's a work too

[pseudo falcon]

guess it's not a priority

[fluid owl]

and colors for females we need aswell

[urban flax]

Hypsi has nothing to do right now so growth won't be necessary until nesting

[fluid owl]

yeah

[pseudo falcon]

yup, hypsi is pretty useles

[fluid owl]

did you see one persons suggestion on how to make hypsi more interesting

about how like you can build little mud ramps along trees and stuff

[patent garden]

it has a decent amount of potential -- but only once the tree system gets added in

rn the tree climbing mechanic is shit, so hypsi is shit

other than for doing a lil trolling

[fluid owl]

lmao

[urban flax]

Having a building system for nests (or just hypsis) could make a good foundation for future tribal building

[fluid owl]

yeah that’s another good point

[patent garden]

eh im hoping tribals wont be able to build

[urban flax]

Why ?

It's been confirmed that they will be able to though

[patent garden]

id prefer for them to utilize natural features like caves n shit, i really......... dont want the isle to turn into ark or rust with ugly ass human structures every 5 feet

ah rip

[urban flax]

Currently they're planned to have prebuilt structures

Like in The Forest I think

[patent garden]

was hoping itd be a merc-esque situation for the tribals too

prebuilt would be fine w me but allowing players to build would be 🤢

[fluid owl]

i mean they should be able to craft at least

[urban flax]

Look at Valheim tho, the building system makes it so you can't really make ugly structures

[patent garden]

literally why bother building a beautiful map if some turd from kansas can just shit on it with his crap lil "safety shelter" to survive the night

[fluid owl]

plus i think they might be able to tame dinos

[patent garden]

the taming stuff is cool with me, im just saying i dont want to have to see ugly playermade structures

[fluid owl]

yeah

[patent garden]

plus idk, i think itd be cooler to have set areas for civilizations, itd be kind of lame if humans could set up and be "safe" almost anywhere

[urban flax]

I doubt tribal buildings will be any sort of safe though

[fluid owl]

that’s why if people can make them you just destroy them and eat the person inside as a rex

[urban flax]

We're talking about an island filled with giant mutated murder dinos

[fluid owl]

yeah

[patent garden]

ok, im saying relatively

if its not safe at all, no one would bother building them and thus there'd be no point for the devs to add them

[urban flax]

There will be better places to build than others
Like with every single game with a building system

[urban flax]

Building has other uses

[fluid owl]

ok i’m gonna go to bed gn

[patent garden]

eh im just saying, id prefer prebuilt structures. it'd also allow for cooler designs imo

night dude

[urban flax]

The best would be modular structures

Like you have a small hut building that you can connect with a big hut to have a huge hut with a small entrance room

[patent garden]

i.e, redwoods could have some cool tree house structures, beaches could be mostly caves-house hybrids, jungle would be small huts in clearings, prairies could be half-underground mounds made outta dirt n shit, idk

plus it'd be cooler to explore -- human structures wouldnt automatically mean humans were there so you could go there to explore at the risk of being captured

whereas player built means that, in order to limit lag and the amount of clutter, they'd have to decay pretty fast

[urban flax]

Keep those abandoned structures for merc buildings

[golden beacon]

Nah gonna kill them humans

[urban flax]

If you encounter a tribal village, that should always mean there are tribals around

[golden beacon]

If theres tribals around you might wanna run away and not get a spear to the head

[patent garden]

eh id prefer for it to be more of a risky scenario, and for them to be "landmarks" rather than shitstains on the map

seriously, sure that one game you mentioned has decent structures, but 90% of the time playerbuilt stuff looks like shit, especially on hardcore survival

[golden beacon]

Ehm wut?

[maiden anvil]

What does mean?

[patent garden]

your suggestion wasnt clear enough, probably? or people arent sure if they like it

[golden beacon]

We are in the middle of yes and no

[maiden anvil]

Alright, then it was what I thought. Thx for your respond

[golden beacon]

If its unclear people use this

[maiden anvil]

Ahhh okey

[patent garden]

ah tru, ive seen some people use both

[maiden anvil]

I thought was “wtf is this garbage” lol

[patent garden]

it can definitely be that lol

anyways, i just think allowing playerbuilt stuff would be tough to balance. either it's easy to build, people abuse it in fights, and it decays quickly, or its hard to build and then it sticks around forever after its built (i.e, lag and a bunch of ugly ass empty human structures.....). either outcome doesnt seem ideal to me honestly, and doesnt even solve the "tribal structures should always mean tribals are around" ... so a building should just poof if the tribals leave?

[urban flax]

I don't think so, but they could have some sort of decay

[golden beacon]

Im just gonna play dinosaur

[urban flax]

You can't build in fights because you'd need to gather resources and bring them to the place you wanna build, I doubt tribals are gonna have much of an inventory in which they can carry 100 logs

Well I assume at least

[golden beacon]

Its minecraft got my stack of planks

[patent garden]

we back in the mine

[golden beacon]

DIAMONDS!!!

[patent garden]

anyways and i suppose resources would be necessary, but it'd have to be pretty heavily balanced to make it difficult to build structures imo

and i still think there'd probably be an enormous lag issue

[urban flax]

I don't know
Structures can just be piles of polygons with a health bar

[golden beacon]

I mean most dinos will be able to 1v1 humans tribal or merc

[patent garden]

i think it would create a more interesting dynamic to have the prebuilt structures too since there's a finite amount of buildings, people would have to compete for them

[patent garden]

please god no 🤢

[urban flax]

What else would you want ?

[golden beacon]

I mean when humans first come out everyone gonna play them meaning thats alotta building

[patent garden]

prebuilt structures lmao

[urban flax]

That's a pile of polygons

[patent garden]

and this

the game already has awful performance problems

i dont think adding 400 structures to the map would help

[golden beacon]

Merc vs Tribal

[urban flax]

It's gonna be much better optimized by the time humans come

[patent garden]

you can only optimize so much building tho

[urban flax]

They still have a lot of room for optimization

[patent garden]

plus arent a lot of dinos going to be able to nest?

[urban flax]

It pretty much has no limits

[patent garden]

"no limits" yeah except time

id like to be able to play the game at more than 20 fps in the next 10 years

[urban flax]

Do you know For Honor on low graphics requires less resources to run than Minecraft ?

[golden beacon]

Idk about humans tbh building everywhere it will ruin the atmosphere and the look of the place

[patent garden]

for honor: developed by ubisoft. not exactly indie dude

[urban flax]

I didn't talk about who made the games

[patent garden]

can indie devs do great things? sure. but the isle team is small

[urban flax]

I talked about how far optimization can go

[patent garden]

im just saying that corporate-level optimization may not be possible in a reasonable amount of time for the isle

especially not for super intensive stuff

[urban flax]

So yes, it'll require them a lot of time to optimize their game properly, but we can hope they will go far with it

[patent garden]

and this is the primary reason i oppose it lmao

itd just look gross, why have a map designer when people can just throw their turdly lil buildings on it and turn it into a rust let's play

[urban flax]

There's ways to prevent people from building ugly things

Lots of them

That's why they're going for premade structures

Less resource consumption, less ugly buildings, more immersive

[patent garden]

also bub, why spend so much time optimizing something like building when it'd look way better, and probably be much better gameplay wise too for the sake of competition / landmarks?

[golden beacon]

I mean i rather just play dinos thats really the main reason i love the game not interested in humans but then i just see some ark bases being built all over then that ruins it

[urban flax]

What would be much better for the sake of optimization and competition ?

[golden beacon]

Pre built structures

[patent garden]

prebuilt structures..... the thing ive been advocating for this entire discussion bruh

[urban flax]

I wans't advocating against prebuilt strucutres either

I said that's not the only way

[patent garden]

and im saying it should be the only way

[urban flax]

You assume can having a building system can't work and that it will always be ugly, I say otherwise

[golden beacon]

Tribals should spawn in tribal structures and mercs can spawn on the modern ones or come down by like helicopter or something and try to find the base to get to safety

[wary sparrow]

When humans are able to be turned off on servers buildings should be disabled too if the server owner doesn’t want them

[patent garden]

not ugly = lack of customization. if there's a lack of customization why bother implementing buildings -- again, when the amount of time it would take to optimize it would be insane?

[golden beacon]

Nah keep pre built structures

[wary sparrow]

It wouldn’t hurt as a server option

[urban flax]

Look at Valheim, you can do pretty much anything with the building system, yet it always somehow looks good
And if it looks bad, it's very likely to collapse

[golden beacon]

True i guess but why should the devs making the buildings if you just gonna turn them off

[patent garden]

valheim is soft survival tho, isnt it?

[wary sparrow]

Why would they make humans if your just gonna turn them off

[urban flax]

The fact it is soft or hardocre survival doesn't teach how the building system should work

[patent garden]

well yeah it kinda does, buildings affect survival

[golden beacon]

There just shouldn't be a building system i thought this was isle not fortnite

[patent garden]

that's literally the point of them

^

[urban flax]

So you're saying because it's a hardcore survival game, you should be able to make ugly buildings for optimized survival ?

[patent garden]

no....... what........

[urban flax]

I don't see why in a hardcore survival game, you can't have a building system similar to the one in Valheim
I don't see how that matters at all

[patent garden]

im saying because it's a hardcore survival game, you should utilize prebuilt structures and inhabit those limited amount of buildings which will discourage overpopulation and encourage competition

[golden beacon]

Bro building not only will it take away from the look it doesn't work, a humans main priority or tribal even is to hunt a dinosaur and go back to camp to eat not kill a dino build a box then eat

[patent garden]

humans should not be able to build everywhere, leaving their lil civilizations should be a massive risk

if they can build those civilizations anywhere, it's no longer a risk to venture out

[urban flax]

Guys
What if
Building takes time and resources, like in a good game

[golden beacon]

We gonna be building new york

[urban flax]

You seem to take example from minecraft and Fortnite, where building is almost instant

[patent garden]

so building takes time and resources then. how fast should it decay then?

6 hours?

[golden beacon]

I mean it still wont stop people from building in random places and also what about building in hot spots and just blocking pathways

[patent garden]

how long should it take to build?

[urban flax]

idk, slow enough that you don't have to repair it all the time
But fast enough that you don't have the entire map cluttered with unfinished structures

[patent garden]

that sounds very vague

[urban flax]

We're literally talking about balance for a mechanic that won't come until probably a few years

I can say "A building piece should lose 1 hp every 5 minutes so that if a rex comes after 3 hours of non-care it could destroy it in 4 bites", but that wouldn't make any sense

[golden beacon]

Yeah well i know i won't be playing human that much

[patent garden]

idk, i think itd be way cooler mechanic-wise to be able to say "the tribals from the northern beach civilization came down and captured a bunch of dinos" rather than "random naked people came out of the forest and took me to....... another part of the forest. wow real exciting"

it would create natural factions

again, it would also limit the population and increase competition

[golden beacon]

Or tribal kills small dino and retreats to its box fort XD

[patent garden]

^

[urban flax]

The fact you could build anywhere doesn't mean you would build anywhere
There's always places to build that are better than others

[patent garden]

no shit sherlock, but people will build wherever they want

[urban flax]

As a tribals, you'd want to establish villages to not die alone against a big dino

[golden beacon]

Which somehow has a campfire inside surrounded by wooden walls yeah really realistic

[patent garden]

have you been on rust? do you know how many resources it takes to build things?

and yet people build stuff in shit ass places all the time

[urban flax]

You're still assuming building system=shit because of minecraft and fortnite
Just open your chakras and try to have a little imagination

[urban flax]

Because people have an inventory in rust

[patent garden]

having a prebuilt village would also help tribals to survive, they could spawn in and be like "oh i should try going to X village, there might be people there" and it would make tribals somewhat viable even without there being huge hordes of them online (helping small servers....)

[golden beacon]

I guess the cool thing about tribals is them hunting much larger things with cool pointy spear

[urban flax]

If there are prebuild villages, then they aren't destructible

[patent garden]

allowing player builds would spread people out even more

[urban flax]

You're not sure about this

[patent garden]

?

anyways its four am

[urban flax]

How can you say letting people build will spread them out ? How would you know ?

[patent garden]

im just saying id prefer cool terrain-based villages made by a professional map designer over a bunch of shit playermade ones sprinkled throughout the map

im going to go to bed, you're not changing my mind and im obviously not changing your's

[urban flax]

Then go

[golden beacon]

Yeah nah not for me lets discuss dinosaur instead

[maiden anvil]

I’ll be honest. My suggestion does way better then I thought it would. Though I noticed Bubulblu disliked and sense he’s a smart guy, one dislike from him counts as 10 lol

[urban flax]

I'm flattered x)

[maiden anvil]

You should be lol

[urban flax]

In my opinion deino doens't deserve a deathroll as an attack against apexes. A tug-of-war-mechanic against big targets would already be enough, and death roll is nromally used by crocs to eat or tearing off limbs (which won't happen in The Isle)

It seems to be a really specific and hard to balance mechanic only for the specific case where a deino lunges on an apex

[maiden anvil]

Fair point and I agree. That’s why I was so unsure of my suggestion from the beginning

[urban flax]

And would do absolutely nothing against, for example, a trike
Which couldn't defend itself by biting and wouldn't take much damage from the deathroll anyway

[maiden anvil]

^

[odd sedge]

Giving players a perma debuff for no reason even if it rewards in the end is not great for gameplay

[urban flax]

Especially if it's random

[odd sedge]

This will encourage 3 behaviors

1. Players killing their dinosaur if they get the debuff, because they don't want to play with a debuff.
2. Players specifically farming for the debuff to get the advantage.
3. Players hunting down players with the debuff for sport or free food/ easier food

And none of them make for fun gameplay

[sacred quest]

So are you guys mainly against the debuff side of the idea or the idea in general?

[odd sedge]

Aye

[urban flax]

I'm against the idea in general

[odd sedge]

I don't mind the albino-melanin nesting part. I actually like the idea but debuff just... No...

You could combine that suggestion with the skin choosing one, because it would be fun if you could chose your creatures color with your mother's and fathers.
AndI at a rare chance, you get albino colors or melanin colors extra to choose from.

But I dislike debuffs

[sacred quest]

i mainly wrote about the debuff side as a lot of people were saying how it should add a debuff but what i might do is make a alternative suggestion once the cooldown goes down about instead of the debuff add maybe extra tasks to do like melanistic dinos going in the sun more or albino dinos going in the shade more like the forests.

Or i could just write about the skin being rare in general and giving no buffs or debuffs

Thats quite a interesting idea i must say

[urban flax]

Having a random based skin is a bad idea in my opinion

[sacred quest]

maybe instead of having it random have it as a nesting option if you make it to elder a few times as a dino you can choose it as a one time use thing and have to go through a few life times again to choose it again

[urban flax]

Meh
I prefer being albino as a penalty for cannibalizing

[sacred quest]

thats fair enough. Would solve the cannibalism problem for sure and help identify someone who is likely to cannibalise.

[wintry monolith]

the game is not striving to be realistic so dont post pics from articels where its smt about what an dino did/how it looked etc

[glad dirge]

Dilo run animations are extreme janky in legacy

[worn pumice]

too slow

it wont survive with those animations

it needs to be faster then teno

[urban flax]

@near mountain Devs can't remove servers that are not theirs

[barren zephyr]

What would be a good special ability for a para

[odd sedge]

Dilo should have some decent speed

[urban flax]

Sonic boom

https://tenor.com/view/guile-street-fighter-sonic-boom-gif-4993912

Like this

[barren zephyr]

Kinda seems unrealistic tho

[urban flax]

TI isn't a realistic game
No in all seriousness I'd like some sort of sonic attack for para

Like, its 1-call does a small stun to everything nearby that is not a para

And if more paras 1-call at the stunned target, it extends the stun and might even deal damage

(3-call could work too)

[barren zephyr]

So like being so loud it would bleed someones ears like an elk call or something

[urban flax]

Yes, it's been theorized by paleontologists to be able to do that
But it was a while ago

Anything big enough that roars in your ears could kill you tho, actually if we wanted to be realistic rex would have the same ability ^^

[barren zephyr]

Wouldnt that stun your herd aswell and ( if it was somehow fixed not to do that ) i think it would loose its voice faster by doing it

like running out of breath so it wouldnt be op

[urban flax]

It would make sense for paras to be immune to that

Yes, it should cost a lot of breath tho

[barren zephyr]

And that would be annoying to other herbivores if you are mix packing with a bunch of other herbivores and you just stun them ALL just by broadcasting, it would be annoying for other players, and if other herbivores would also be immune, if you would be attacked by another herbivore ( like if you would be fighting for some kind of diet food ) it wouldnt work

[urban flax]

Don't mixherd :)

Not all herbivores should be incentivized to mixherd
Trikes can go along with dryos, paras only get along with other paras

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but it seems they allready mix herd tho in the concept art

[urban flax]

There's a concept art for para ?

[barren zephyr]

Well kinda

its more like evirma art

like it being with a hypsie or being with a bunch of other herbivores

[urban flax]

We see a para looking at a hypsi
But don't take concept arts for granted
We know that in-game, Hypsi would 100% blind the para then run away screaming

[barren zephyr]

Idk... still seems like it would be better with a different ability

[urban flax]

Well there's none that I can think of

[barren zephyr]

Yeah its very hard to think of any for a hadrosaur, like i would like for maia being able to trample some dinos tho i think it was allready suggested in the feedback

[urban flax]

All dinos will be able to trample smaller opponents

Even hypsi might be able to trample a compy

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but it would be annoying to accidently trample your baby cuz you were trying to protect it

[urban flax]

You gotta be careful

Or trample will be disabled against members of your group

[barren zephyr]

That would be like, no friendly fire setting to your group

[urban flax]

But only for trample

[barren zephyr]

MMMMM yeah i still think it would be better as a special ability for a maia

[urban flax]

No because that would mean a lot of dumb situations like currently, where a stego can get blocked by a hypsi

And Maia isn't even the best candidate for trample

[barren zephyr]

Dumb situations like?...

[urban flax]

Like when a stego gets blocked by a hypsi

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but if maia would have trample , what kind of dumb situations would there be

[urban flax]

The problem is not if Maia has trample
It's if trample is a mechanic exclusive to maia

Anyway as I said, trample is planned to be a mechanic available for all dinos

[barren zephyr]

I mean like maia haveing some kind of knock over attack so it would make the dino ( something like a utah or carno ) so it could trample it

by pressing something

[urban flax]

You mean like a shoulder bash ?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[urban flax]

I can imagine a lot of dinos getting that attack

[worn pumice]

trample dmg is coming to all dinos so

[hollow minnow]

@open imp I actually don't hate that idea at all. I see no downside.

[barren zephyr]

Still seems like it would be annoying tho

[worn pumice]

how?

[open imp]

If the admins dont abuse it (like they shouldnt, theyre admins) it wont be an issue

[urban flax]

Actually there's one (not really but it matters)
Devs don't want admins for official servers so it's unlikely that they implement that

[worn pumice]

hypsis blocking stegos is pretty annoying ill say that

dont see how trample is annoying

[static niche]

how the hell would admins abuse an admin chat lol

[open imp]

exactly thats what I said

XD

[static niche]

[worn pumice]

also i hope trample dmg is somewhat dynamic

[open imp]

But just because they dont want admins for offical doesnt mean there wont be other servers that need it

[urban flax]

Yes but they don't really care about unofficials at this point

[static niche]

custom servers need more options either way

[open imp]

it official doesnt need it then it doesnt really matter cause there wont be any admins to type in it

[barren zephyr]

I mean, it could just attack it or walk around it, and it would be annoying cuz y'know damage to other players of your group

[static niche]

devs need to stop being stubborn assholes and start implementing more options for unofficial servers

[urban flax]

Like I said, trample damage could be disabled against members of your group

[open imp]

Well yeah Evrima is still ina very early stage of development, of course theyre thinking more on bug fixes, map and dinosaurs, but eventually they'll have to give attention to unofficial servers if they want a playerbase

[worn pumice]

just disable it for grp members

so simple

[urban flax]

And since they're going to have to be the same species as you, unless they're a baby and you're an adult you won't be able to trample them

[worn pumice]

they'll prolly do it anyways as no one wants to accidentally trample their nested in child

[static niche]

i feel like that would happen so easily too

[worn pumice]

yea just disable for for grp members

easy fix

[hollow minnow]

Would be nice to see it modded in for unofficial servers. I hate global and am not sad to see it go, but I can understand how this makes being an admin on a server a nightmare..

[urban flax]

Now this is likely to happen

As far as I know, devs are still planning to put mod support into the game

[fallen heath]

well global is kind of important to get a group tho

[barren zephyr]

very annoying if you killed your friend thats another species by accident

[mental marlin]

im not looking foward to every private server to have global chat modded back in 🤢

[urban flax]

It's useless

[worn pumice]

mix packing is gross stop doing it lol

[fallen heath]

So it wouldnt be the best idea to be removing global and only chatting in groups

Kind of yes

[urban flax]

There's local chat for that, it has a big enough range to find other people

[swift dew]

maybe they should disable trample for group members only when your using the z walk, it would give it function and makes sense, your being careful around the child. however trample should be on with your group while trotting and running because that is much less careful

[worn pumice]

this literally makes no sense u and ur friend shouldnt be different species

[hollow minnow]

LOL me either, but admin only chat isn't a bad idea at all!

[fallen heath]

but i dont have friends so i cant get into a group without global

[barren zephyr]

Why not tho

[worn pumice]

mix packing?

u cant be this ignorant

[urban flax]

Use local chat ?

[fallen heath]

yeah your right

[barren zephyr]

What about stegos and dryos or dinos like that

[rapid arch]

i need help

[urban flax]

Dryos gotta watch out for their 6-ton heavy friends and not go between their legs

[worn pumice]

yea but whats the issue here?