general-feedback-discussion

[urban flax]

How can you starve as a ptera

[hybrid matrix]

i think he might be playing hard mode

[static niche]

lmao

[fading fjord]

Just go afk

[golden beacon]

@void slate its been suggested in the past and got over 50 downvotes so its a pretty bad idea

[hybrid matrix]

its a bad idea because it drastically changes gameplay, and for the worse no lesss

removing global chat didnt affect every single player negatively

honestly

[void slate]

@golden beacon Time Magazine named Adolph Hitler as man of the year. People are stupid and want what they want with no regard to the larger picture. A thriving ecosystem would be far superior to a 100 person server having 100 deino on it

[hybrid matrix]

draclonis

[void slate]

Derptah

[urban flax]

Bubulblu

[hybrid matrix]

u wouldnt like ur idea

[void slate]

Yes i would

[hybrid matrix]

lemme explain

[void slate]

Dont tell me what I wouldnt like

[hybrid matrix]

lets say that ur idea does get added in

[static niche]

[void slate]

I dont recall posting in this channel. I made a post in the general feedback channel

i dont recall saying i wanted to discuss it or have someone explain it to me

[hybrid matrix]

u decide, "hey ima play on my favorite server today!"
u log on and u decide "hey i wanna play as a teno today"
u try to select teno but you cant, because the population cap for teno has been filled

[golden beacon]

If i join a server i should be able to play what i wanna play and if theres a limit and its full i cant play that dino that i wanted to play

[void slate]

Sounds like a positive to me Derptah

[hybrid matrix]

then u decide "alright i'll be a stego"
you get a pop up for stego as well

[void slate]

Shame there is only 1 server, rather than hundreds.. huh?

[hybrid matrix]

u've never been around ppl in this community, have u

think about all the factors

[void slate]

I dont play video games for the community.. I play video games for the game

[hybrid matrix]

some ppl only like playing on 1 server

[static niche]

It could be a nice option for custom servers who want a more balanced ecosystem, but that’s the only positive thing I see about that

[urban flax]

What if you spend an entire day growing a dino
The next day, when you want to play it, it reached population cap ?

[golden beacon]

What if i want to play with my friends but its full then i cant play with my friends

[void slate]

if they limit themselves that's their problem, not mine

@golden beacon Then you and your codependant friends get ahold of one another and decide on a lesser populated server.. its that simple

[hybrid matrix]

except it is
bc its ur idea

draclonis

[void slate]

my idea isn't limiting people to one server

[hybrid matrix]

u cant expect to come up with an idea and then expect other ppl to figure out how to make it work

[golden beacon]

Oh so we have to play on a less populated server just to be a dino, stfu

[hybrid matrix]

ur idea negatively affects ppl who only play on 1 server

[static niche]

isn’t that what devs are for

[void slate]

Stop @ 'ing me. I don't give a single fuck about your opinions on my feedback, I don't want to discuss it, and I don't need some holier than thou douchebag thinking he needs to explain something to me

[carmine path]

Expect it. This is feedback expect opposition this is a community not a damn dictatorship

[cyan flame]

You put out an idea, you'll have to accept you get responses to it

[broken monolith]

It’d complete a more balanced and fleshed out isle but at the cost of the freedom of choice

[cyan flame]

It's also a bad idea, as people have explained

[golden beacon]

Well your feedback fucking sucks fuck off

[void slate]

ok, my feedback now is to suck my cock

🙂

[static niche]

[hybrid matrix]

[void slate]

lmao all you ppl typing furiously at me like i fucking care.. fucking losers

[carmine path]

Draclonis I hope someone calls you the R-Word 😠

[golden beacon]

Then why make feedback if you dont care?

[carmine path]

So why post feedback if you don’t want response

[cyan flame]

Anyway. Locking the choice of playable is bad for many reasons. Can prevent people from being able to enjoy their chosen server. Can prevent people from respawning as something new/what they want. Can prevent people from logging back into the server because now it's full. This can also happen on other servers, not just if you're on a single one. And so on. There's a lot of issues with the idea, and as such, it is at best very questionable. And really Drac, this isn't so much to you, this is to everyone else so they can see how people think and reason when it comes to said idea.

[hybrid matrix]

this idea i like

[desert tendon]

does anyone else want dimorphodon to come in? what with the new very obviously pterasuar map design

[carmine path]

Too small

[desert tendon]

^^^

[static niche]

Meh. Not at servers would have to do it. I doubt many would either way.

[broken monolith]

I think he just wants more variety in the community and I can sorta agree with that since there’s gonna be way too many deinos for a while

[static niche]

fucking deinos

[carmine path]

Hype train will always be a thing

[carmine path]

😱

[cyan flame]

Doesn't make the idea any better. Sure, it could be a unofficial server option, that's fine. But the idea/solution is still terrible and should only be used as a last resort if anything. I get the idea of what he wants too, but it's still not a good way to do it.

[desert tendon]

dimorphodon wouldnt bee too small

[hybrid matrix]

prehistoric wildlife

[desert tendon]

around 3/4 the size of a ptera

around the same size as hypsi

[golden beacon]

Yeah but it means we cant play what we want, why buy a game select a server that your friends are playing on and you wanna join but you cant because of some shitty limit

[carmine path]

And what role would it play. The only thing it would be able to maybe kill is a hypsi

[broken monolith]

It’d be like less than an hour to grow then wouldn’t it?

[desert tendon]

look at my general feedback post

i went into detail about it

[broken monolith]

I didn’t agree with the limit just the idea of a more vibrant isle

[carmine path]

Eh

[static niche]

quetz better

[urban flax]

It's funny because earlier today I was thinking about dimorphodon being an air raptor
But since it ould be unviable alone that's not a super good idea

[carmine path]

Its not that all interesting tbh

[desert tendon]

;-;

[golden beacon]

I mean once more dinos are added im sure people will start moving to different dinos and get bored of one after another

[carmine path]

Wait till a single Apex comes out and just watch all the Rex Mains comes out to play

[static niche]

g o d

i won’t be mentally prepared for that

[cyan flame]

I think the biggest issues we have are lack of gameplay, as long as it's just "Grow up, run around until you find something, kill as much as you can before you die. Rinse and repeat." people will just go for the best thing for that.

[golden beacon]

True a group of 10 rexs

[broken monolith]

What is the difference between the quetz and the petra

[carmine path]

I can almost guarantee servers will be absolutely littered with apexes as even a single one comes out of development

[hoary dawn]

why make feedback if you dont care what people think about it

[broken monolith]

Besides quetz being bigger

[static niche]

quetz b i g

[desert tendon]

quetz is gonna be much less agile and more combat oriented

[hoary dawn]

that's like the point of giving feedback

[desert tendon]

it will most likely also pick up smaller dinos and drop em rather than fish

[static niche]

ptera is more of a fisher

ye

[broken monolith]

Hope so, kinda hard to attack while flying if it’s close to the ground

[golden beacon]

Gonna be ptera v quetz gang wars at the seas gonna be cool

[desert tendon]

yeah

[static niche]

so quetz is kinda gonna be like primal carnage ptera

?

[desert tendon]

dimorphodon would be fun for that too but no one cares about that...

[golden beacon]

How?

Its a quetz

[static niche]

the ability to pick up things and drop them...

is what the primal carnage ptera does

[golden beacon]

No probably not that would be OP

[static niche]

[golden beacon]

Walking along as a utah and a fucking quetz outta no where and picks you up, no chance

[broken monolith]

Run

[static niche]

Juvis, juvis...

j u v i. a

jUvis

[desert tendon]

it wouldnt pick up anything larger than juvis or herras

[hoary dawn]

no

[static niche]

[broken monolith]

He a big boy

[hoary dawn]

quetz and utah are almost the same weight

[desert tendon]

this

[hoary dawn]

it would not be able to carry one

[golden beacon]

Its an example ffs

[hoary dawn]

not*

[desert tendon]

yeah it wouldnt be able to carry it

it would only pick up juvis

[static niche]

exactly why it wouldn’t be able to pick up a utah

[golden beacon]

.

[hoary dawn]

just explaining why its a bad example

[desert tendon]

dimorphodon would be a tree climbing insectivore and roost on the backs of large herbis like stego and sauropods.

[golden beacon]

Wow ok

[urban flax]

Being insectivore is not a gameplay

[desert tendon]

it could forage for bugs in the forest rather than fish

[desert tendon]

it should be

[urban flax]

It's even less interactive than fishing

[desert tendon]

how would you know that

you could fly threw the air and chase bugs

[golden beacon]

Sounds boring

[urban flax]

I mean with other playables

[wary sparrow]

Isn‘t quetz half the weight of Utah ?

[desert tendon]

you could also look in logs and tree crevices and eat bugs off of large herbis

[urban flax]

Still kinda boring

[golden beacon]

Its more

[wary sparrow]

I thought quetz was 250kg

[golden beacon]

How?

[wary sparrow]

Remember hearing it

What is the actual weight ?

[desert tendon]

550 LBS

249 kg

im a dumb american sry

[static niche]

quetz is fat as fuck

[desert tendon]

its mostly his massive face

[hoary dawn]

what being a giraffe does to a mf

[wary sparrow]

Thanks

[desert tendon]

his head is heavy

[static niche]

bighead quetz

[golden beacon]

No way its only 250kg thats less than austro

[desert tendon]

its bones are hollow

[wary sparrow]

Well it‘s gotta fly

[static niche]

ye, most birds are lighter.

[desert tendon]

this isnt from the game btw thats just how much it weighed in real life

[wary sparrow]

It’s just hollow bones and skin

[desert tendon]

it aint a bird but close enough to one

[golden beacon]

Makes sense then

[broken monolith]

Found this

Hope this ok

[static niche]

yupyup

[limber hull]

most flying creatures are lightweight as fuck

[desert tendon]

yeah

[limber hull]

this is why punching birds is very effective at defeating them, should you come into the situation in which you need to punch a bird

[carmine path]

Long neck = Strangle em

[limber hull]

however if it is an ostrich perhaps do not punch the bird and instead quickly leave

[desert tendon]

the range of weight for irl quetz is 440 lbs - 550 lbs

[broken monolith]

Goose

[carmine path]

Cassowary = Fucking book it

[limber hull]

you see the stronger the bird's bones, the longer the necks

oh fuck

the quetz is powerful

nevermind

[swift dew]

because utah weighs twice as much

[static niche]

[limber hull]

scrap everything i said, quetz has goose/ostrich neck

this means it is a powerful death bird

[desert tendon]

utahraptor literall weighed 2,200 lbs

so uh

[static niche]

goose dinosaur

[limber hull]

biology has always associated long necks with great avian power

so yes

i fear the uprising of the goose dino

[desert tendon]

so quetz is 250 kg and utah is 1000 kg

[static niche]

ultimate juvi killing machine

[desert tendon]

yeah

[limber hull]

allow the quetz to honk

[desert tendon]

i am excited for beipi the danger duck

[limber hull]

this shall be its call

the honk of doom

[hoary dawn]

utah is like 400-ish kg right?

[golden beacon]

500 in game

[desert tendon]

^^^^

[carmine path]

Gonna get absolutely smacked outta existence by other semi-aquatics

[wary sparrow]

Utah is 500 in game

[desert tendon]

its gonna be a faster swimmer than most

i can almost guarantee that

[golden beacon]

Beipi vs Minmi, my boi beipi got this

[desert tendon]

yeah

agreed

[wary sparrow]

I like both

[swift dew]

not too sure about this one

[static niche]

tbh, i just want theri and goose dinosaur

[desert tendon]

do we know of other confirmed semi aquatics?

[golden beacon]

Sucho

Bary

[carmine path]

Sucho/Bary lol

[wary sparrow]

Austro

[desert tendon]

ah

[golden beacon]

Austro yeah

[desert tendon]

sucho and bary arent gonna swim tho are they?

dont they just fish

[golden beacon]

Does cerato count?

[wary sparrow]

Maybe plateo

[static niche]

would spino count?

[carmine path]

River Dwellers

[desert tendon]

no

[carmine path]

Apex Semi

[wary sparrow]

No if cerato counts then so does Teno

[desert tendon]

ok i guess, but beipi is just gonna swim away

cerato is not a river dweller

[golden beacon]

I mean its a fast swimmer, faster than most

[wary sparrow]

So is teno, still not semi aquatic

[desert tendon]

yeah but it doesnt get any pros or cons from hunting near the water

[desert tendon]

this

[golden beacon]

I guess so it will just use it to get away

[carmine path]

Did you know Spinosaurus is the only full Semi-Aquatic Dinosaur

[desert tendon]

true but it wont be actively hunting in it

[golden beacon]

Yeah obviously

[desert tendon]

ye

[golden beacon]

Well we got sucho,bary,deino,spino,minmi and beipi as semi aquatics

[carmine path]

River Dwellers you mean

Deino is not a dinosaur btw

[desert tendon]

if they add an ocean coral reef biome in the next map all with the pterasaur cost and stuff, do you think they will add things like plesiosaurs, mososaurs, and amanyte AI?

it would also be a cool place to swim as a spino

[golden beacon]

Never said dinosaur tho

[static niche]

that would be cool tbh, but probably not

[desert tendon]

yeah ur probably right

i just want to be able to fish in the salt water as a ptera

y'know

like how they did irl

[wary sparrow]

Nothosaurus is basically a plesiosaur but semi aquatic. Would work great for coasts

[golden beacon]

Also they can be in lakes and ponds so thats why i said semi aquatic

[desert tendon]

yeah that would be cool

they will probably add fish to the ocean in the new "pterasaur coast"

maybe not on spiro

but at least on that map

[carmine path]

Yeah but Sucho was just a piscivore so it lived around wetlands and rivers and such. But anyway this is turning into #paleotalk so ima stop here

[static niche]

[golden beacon]

yeah true

[dusky sandal]

This is one of my dream additions to the game. I'm not sure if it holds any weight, but I saw a YouTube video Q&A with one of the developers and they mentioned ocean biomes/ocean dwellers might be something they want to pursue as additional content once the game is out of early access.

[desert tendon]

thats awesome

[still raptor]

Yes that is a stupid question lol

[full canopy]

I can't believe I haven't seent this suggested before but: how a bout a map in the game huh?

[swift dew]

like an ingame map? maybe for humans, but they should have to fill it out first

maybe with buildings that give them the map of the surounding area

[golden beacon]

yes for humans, i dont remember a t rex with a map looking for famous landmarks and locations

[still raptor]

It's been suggested a lot before.

[fading fjord]

But dinos cant read.....it would be just like

[paper oriole]

Why do people want ptera to pick up dinos? How do they think ptera would do that

[full canopy]

but I'm not a dinosaur am I?

I don't want to have to use 3rd party maps

[golden beacon]

then dont

[gritty helm]

the answer is: yes
but on the real maybe its feet? idk but save something like baby snatching for Quetz

[golden beacon]

ptera weighs 80kg it wont be able to lift anything

[icy lion]

their feet are worse at grasping than a human's

[honest sparrow]

Weak ass feet

If y’all really want a flying grappler, I suggest * the eagle *

[full canopy]

could you maybe come up with an argument against just implementing a map in the game to let people know where they are?

[honest sparrow]

Degrades exploration and basically makes the reward of learning the map pointless

[golden beacon]

because its a survival game with dinosaurs, dinosaurs didnt have maps

[gritty helm]

you act like the isle doesn't bend the rules of realism from time to time but I imagine a lot of these people probably played a little too much pc/e so they're used to seeing pteranodon's grabbing things

[golden beacon]

If you want a game with a map go play ark

[gritty helm]

for Quetz it could just use its beak to snatch a baby/juvie

[golden beacon]

nah it would slip out

they would impale them tho

[paper oriole]

Yeah let ptera pick people people up with these fuckin things

[static niche]

LMAO

[quaint prism]

Ya can't say it wasn't able to pick anything either

[static niche]

pteras are fishers, just stick to that for now

[golden beacon]

whats it gonna pick up exactly?

[quaint prism]

Cheeseburgers ?

[golden beacon]

Ok make actual feedback lol

[feral solstice]

What

[swift dew]

quetz might get fictionalized feet to pick things up, but if it can pick something up it is most likely going to be with its beak. and if it can pick things up it will only be things up to 50 kg realistically, so everything here except proto, beipi, and minmi

[gritty helm]

you're thinkin too much from the realism side of things. would it look wonky? maybe. but I think it could made to look passable from a visual perspective

[full canopy]

Dinosaurs are also extinct... and these species didn't live together.

and its a game

[static niche]

if any bird is going to pick something up, it’s going to be quetz.

[swift dew]

they were brought back by humans, there was a reason there are human facilities and very inaccurate animals here. they are just monsters.

[golden beacon]

yeah if we had maps you would know where all of the water is meaning you dont need to sniff to see water

[quaint prism]

Don't think a hatchling would be to heavy for a ptera but anyway eh

[golden beacon]

. look at its feet theres literally no way it can grasp onto something

[sonic mural]

😂

[swift dew]

well a hatchling utah would be about 20kg, and ptera is 90 kg, its hard to fly with something that is nearly 1/4 your weight

[full canopy]

The thing is tho, you can literally use a number of maps in your browser, which a lot of people do. so you might as well just implement that to even the playing field

[static niche]

overestimating ptera, it can’t even hold big fish i’m pretty sure

[golden beacon]

no not big fish

[swift dew]

you can use the same argument for global chat, people just use discord to communicate. but it doesn't mean the devs have to incentivize it

[golden beacon]

then use 3rd party maps if you want it so badly

[swift dew]

or just wait for mods

[quaint prism]

Those feet are the isle ptera feet not sure if they really were like that idk , but if an eagle can pick up a bigass goat I think ptera would've been able to pick up a tiny hatchling

[honest sparrow]

You can learn the map by experience and it makes it much cooler than “oh look a neat rock formation is coming up” or “oh, the populated area at this river split is that way”

Eagles have these

[sonic mural]

I’m pretty sure eagles feet were meant for grabbing unlike ptera

[paper oriole]

Exactly

[golden beacon]

thats how an eagle hunts a ptera eats fish

[swift dew]

they were like that, and an eagle foot is built for grabbing things. also, an eagle definitly did not pick up a goat and fly with it. its just not physically possible. maybe a small baby goat

[sonic mural]

All ptera can do is fly and peck and explore the map lol

[honest sparrow]

Maybe carrying extremely small things in its beak but feet carrying is dumb and cringe

[compact hare]

Carry hatchling compy

[paper oriole]

Maybe compy at best lol

[sonic mural]

It’s not really meant to kill anything or grab anything except fish

[sonic mural]

True

[quaint prism]

I guess

[golden beacon]

ptera just adds to the atmosphere and scavenges

[honest sparrow]

Ptera is fisher/scavenger

Does not need too many combat abilities

[sonic mural]

Yea i kinda like it tbh it’s a good thing to play when u don’t wanna wait hours to grow and to get to know the map better

[golden beacon]

Definitely not

[sonic mural]

Except for trolling

[honest sparrow]

Now that we agree on

[golden beacon]

Once the whole roster is complete theres gonna be so much variety and it will look a lot better to have a lot more dinos

[ionic arch]

K

[golden beacon]

@honest sparrow Well idk about that Deino isnt a saltwater croc

[paper oriole]

The coastal environment should be left for other things

[honest sparrow]

Just could be a neat qol change

[golden beacon]

Ptera and maybe quetz could be 2

quetz can contest ptera

[paper oriole]

Coastal bary or sucho and plateo

[honest sparrow]

Until defined marine roles are a thing I just like the idea of deino being able to go in ocean

[steady lintel]

Would like to see a coastal and island hopping niche

[golden beacon]

AI Mosa

[steady lintel]

With islands spread out around the map some in clusters and some sand bars maybe

[golden beacon]

Theres gonna be new coastal rocks from the concept art

[honest sparrow]

Like imagine you could go from that one spot with the log to docks to ambush humans or smaller dinos or something

[golden beacon]

I really like this concept

Also i wanna see proto and pachyrhino concept they are very similar one is a lot bigger tho

[ionic arch]

I really hope they'll add fish to the ocean so Spino can eat there safely

[jade haven]

smol attack big bird

[ionic arch]

Fish in the ocean so some semi-aquatic like Spino could feed on fish and would prefer to stay there to grow big enough before confronting someone.. also, if they want to live Peacefully they'll need to walk from their spawn to the ocean, and maybe a 25% juvie Spino or less could gain water even tho it's the ocean (salt water) so it'll prevent adults to camps there

[honest sparrow]

But yeah ocean deino when dondi in the sky

[ionic arch]

Good or not?

[ashen wasp]

I've always been partial to a Beach-combing Bary or Sucho, feasting on AI crabs and saltwater fish, hoping for a beached Mosasaur carcass-- would be a great playable addition with the introduction of those pterosaur coasts

[paper oriole]

bary or sucho paired with plateo would be so nice

on the coast along beaches and mangroves

[ashen wasp]

Plateopotamus.....

[swift dew]

The perfect beach roster:
Bary
Ptera pela
Plateo
Oro
Velo
Proto
Some carnivore that can take on plateo, idk what rn

[golden beacon]

Proto?

[swift dew]

velo and proto lived in deserts, so im putting them in the sandiest place I can think of

[golden beacon]

good point

Idk how proto will survive

[swift dew]

burrowing into the sand

[paper oriole]

i mean bary could probably double team plateo idk how bary will play yet though

[golden beacon]

Yeah but can things not enter the burrows like velos

[swift dew]

exactly, proto and velo I want to be rivals

and its not like proto wouldn't be able to defend itself from one

[golden beacon]

I mean out of a burrow

its kinda fucked

[swift dew]

I mean, I only listed two carnivores that can touch proto, against velo proto should be able to defend itself even outside the burrow, and it should be able to see a bary coming from far enough away to run into the burrow and hide

[golden beacon]

Im sure it will be faster than bary

[swift dew]

that too

[golden beacon]

sucho is gonna be a game changer

[swift dew]

actually, idk if it will be faster

[golden beacon]

sucho will probably be faster than deino on land but slower than bary

[swift dew]

bary might be pretty fast, and proto isnt exactly built for speed with its small legs

[swift dew]

and to add to this you have the animals that can live anywhere, like dryo and such

and the more oceanic creatures like nothosaurus

[golden beacon]

The small dinos can have pretty cool match ups

pachyrhino is also gonna be cool and it will hold its own against a bunch of stuff

[ionic arch]

And spino

[ionic arch]

Velo will be bigger in Evrima? Because it's seems like it

@barren zephyr when you said "big enough for a baryonyx" that bring back JW fallen kingdom memories. Thanks for appreciating my idea

[barren zephyr]

Yea, bary in the sewer is pretty damn badass! And your welcome, I love the idea of being able to dwell unseen below the feet of giants.

[swift dew]

that is just the accurate sizes for most of the animals in the game. mostly accurate at least. here is the full chart

[paper oriole]

prehistoric wildlife moment

that dilo is yikers

[hoary dawn]

the spino is ugly af

its what spino looks like until they completely change it again in a couple months

[paper oriole]

we coulda gotten this

[hoary dawn]

probably

[carmine path]

I would of been vastly ok with this but the current IRL spino looks terrible

[hoary dawn]

the concept for evrima spino is leagues cooler than the irl version

[paper oriole]

tapwing's is a good midway between realistic and stylish/functional and not some boring jp ripoff spinorex like what we got

[hybrid matrix]

Ur forgetting something
That movie was directed by Jack Horner
The guy who started the scavenger debate

Not directed by, he was the science advisor

[paper oriole]

was horner the guy who admitted he hated rex and thats why he kept trying to convince people it was super ugly and only scavenged

[hybrid matrix]

Yes

[carmine path]

Rex was a Ambush/Opportunistic Hunter that also scavenged right?

[paper oriole]

like wasnt there an interview where he really went in deep about how rex was "hideous and smelled like shit"

[swift dew]

tbf this is pretty much what we got with a few minor tweaks

[carmine path]

Ugly looking mofo

[hoary dawn]

yea, imo the model we have now could use a bigger sail but there's still time so

[carmine path]

I doubt they will change it with what they keep saying

[hybrid matrix]

He made a movie about it too

[paper oriole]

damn he must hate rex even more than i do, such passion

[hybrid matrix]

Its called Valley of the T Rex

[carmine path]

#paleotalk seems were drifting quite a bit here

[golden beacon]

@barren zephyr so you just gonna tell the devs to hurry up like that? Ok you have no patience

[hoary dawn]

not much of an issue

semi-realism servers are trash most of the time

and hopefully with the new systems coming out there'll be more natural behavior anyway so you dont need an admin telling you how to act

[golden beacon]

Realism servers suck ass

[turbid forge]

what does semi realism even mean LUL

[quiet estuary]

Implying the rules that realism servers have are realistic

[golden beacon]

Like roleplay realism XD

[turbid forge]

3 call and wait 15 minutes before attacking?

[quiet estuary]

Realism servers on ocassion have htose yes

[hoary dawn]

herbivores cant attack for 1 hour after losing a herd member to carnivores

the realism servers on bob are somehow worse

[golden beacon]

3 call to claim territory

[quiet estuary]

Yes sid, which is also due to the fact that they have much more slots

[turbid forge]

1 hour that be boring

[quiet estuary]

and there seems to be less lag there as well

Which is sad as one would hope the officials are the best quality servers

But alas

[hoary dawn]

me and some friends got banned from a bob realism server once cuz we didn't stay at a water source for 1 hour after drinking from it

no joke

[turbid forge]

All i can say is that officials are how the devs envision the game to be played, and anything detering from that should be up to mods to add imo

[swift dew]

thats because its anths server, people don't care about the server itself the care about being on anths server. at least alot of people

[quiet estuary]

My only issue with the "realism servers" is that they claim they have realistic rules which arent nearly always the case

[turbid forge]

bob scuffed isle with pink and neon dinos x)

[quiet estuary]

I do hope the mechanics make them more lax in their realism rules though
Would make the game enjoyable as a whole for everyone

[golden beacon]

Dude you told the devs to hurry up and that you are bored because they arent adding stuff quick enough stfu you have no patience

[hoary dawn]

no need to get aggressive about it

[turbid forge]

on that note i need that rubber banding gone

[golden beacon]

Yeah desync and rubber banding sucks but why rush the devs they already got enough to do

Admin powers isnt even a priority the desync and rubber banding is

[turbid forge]

a lot of small things that need to be looked at can quickly overshadow the big problems if they aren't being talked about, but yeah no need for further discussion.

[golden beacon]

^

[paper oriole]

how would a musk deter deino players? also cerato shouldnt have water protection like that, it is just an option it can use to escape given the opportunity, escaping a certain threat and risking a possible one

[golden beacon]

Yeah it should be using the water to escape from something on land and to cross the river to safety

[paper oriole]

if cerato runs directly into deino infested waters it's its own problem and it shouldn't be cushioned

it being able to outswim its terrestrial predators is enough of a bonus, it should still be careful

[golden beacon]

And it has a better bite force than most things in the roster atm

[low canopy]

What landmarks? just same 3 types of tree for miles, (a bit of a hyperbole but you get the point)

[hoary dawn]

the radio tower is a great point of reference to determine where you are

[sonic mural]

@alpine pumice there’s no point of that lol it’s already risky enough that they skim the water while deinos could possibly catch them

[paper oriole]

So rng can just dictate that you lose the food you caught? Sounds like shite game design to me

They shouldnt do anything like that

[honest sparrow]

There are plenty of other options that could make ptera interact with other playables more than just “oh you caught a fish? Fuck you”

[paper oriole]

Also terrestrial carnivores don’t need free snacks at the ptera's expense due to some bullshit rng

[paper oriole]

ptera isn't supposed to be an active predator, it doesn't need more attack force

[sonic mural]

Exactly

It’s not a fighter so stop suggesting it to be stronger

[paper oriole]

pouncing is SUPPOSED to be risky. if you miss, the player you're attacking deserves this window to end you

[honest sparrow]

stun is fine

maybe lower it by half a second but its fine as is

[quiet estuary]

Why not just add an actual prehistoric raptorial flyer instead of making one up

[blissful onyx]

okay

what one do you have in mind

[quiet estuary]

Argentavis could be interesting. Was a vulture or more quetz like in behavior irl though

Wasnt there another eagle mentioned a lot in this discord previously as well

[blissful onyx]

ah okay

you misunderstand, the pterasaur take is something I am suggesting cause its more interesting from a conceptual stand point.

[quiet estuary]

But for a more predatory pterosaur you can do like a vampire bat dimorphodon or something

Would be interesting playstyle unlike the current flying animals

[honest sparrow]

raptatorial pterosaurs and haast do largely the same thing

[blissful onyx]

neither are in the game yet so we dont know that

[honest sparrow]

its just one doesn't exist and is a pterosaur and the other does exist and is a bird

true but like eagles exist

or any bird of prey for that matter

[blissful onyx]

true but speculative pterasaur is cooler

[quiet estuary]

Personally I think the isle should stick to adding real creatures as the base playables

[honest sparrow]

it's a cool thought experiment and all but I just feel as though adding a bird of prey and not creating a fictional normal playable would be better

[quiet estuary]

Instead of doing something akin to pce with novaraptor

[strange wave]

to everybody here, magnaraptor exists, there is absolutely zero reason why a magna version of a pterosaur cant

[blissful onyx]

bork has a point

[quiet estuary]

Not really

that is a strain

[strange wave]

not really

[quiet estuary]

why force a unique playstyle to specifically a strain

[strange wave]

its not a strain

[blissful onyx]

so did the scientists just suddenly start making strains and didnt make anything else?

[strange wave]

its genetically engineered and not at all a real animal

[quiet estuary]

Whether it is or isnt a strain, the thing isnt a base playable that you start with

[strange wave]

how are you so sure

[honest sparrow]

magnas aren't typical playables

[quiet estuary]

Because the current magnas in the game dont fall under similar categories

[blissful onyx]

okay but nothing is stopping the devs from balancing a spec ptera like they would a regular playable

[quiet estuary]

The strain humanoids, the matriarch thing

[strange wave]

what do you mean? they are perfected versions of a star family of archosaurs, whose to say they wouldnt make a pterosaur version of them

[quiet estuary]

Nothing is stopping them. But why add something fictional when real things exist which can fill the same niche

[strange wave]

name one

[blissful onyx]

cause this is a fictional game

[quiet estuary]

Literally any large prehistoric flying raptor

such as
Haasts eagle, aiolornis, argentavis

[snow cliff]

Will any pterosaurs besides ptera be added

[quiet estuary]

Quetzocoatlus

[blissful onyx]

quetz

[strange wave]

ahahah, no
no
and no

haast can burn

[snow cliff]

Okay besides quetz

[strange wave]

argent and aiolornis, no

[blissful onyx]

thats it so far

[quiet estuary]

Why can haasts burn exactly

[snow cliff]

Aight

[quiet estuary]

And why no to those options as well

[strange wave]

because its the size of a velo, moves at the speed of a fucking bullet, and can kill a galli instantly

[blissful onyx]

i dont wanna be rude but haast is very plain and i think this option would be much more itneresting

[quiet estuary]

How is that rude

[strange wave]

argent should be doing something actually interesting and unique, and aiolornis nobody gives a shit about

[honest sparrow]

I mean its not impossible for a strain or magna to have it, but why limit it to strains

[quiet estuary]

What kind of argument is that

"Dont care about"

An animal doesnt need to be popular to function in the video game

[blissful onyx]

this animal isnt a strain, its just an abomination

[quiet estuary]

Argent doing something unique

like being made into an eagle would suit it quite well imo as its real life behavior is similar to quetz

[strange wave]

i dont know what the problem is of adding a fake pterosaur to be a giant ass but actually balanced eagle
make argent into something more realistic and better to set it apart from quetz

[honest sparrow]

because you could just balance an eagle

[quiet estuary]

I dont see how the eagle is unbalanced

[strange wave]

"quetz" as shown in the concept, is a hybrid between hatz and quetz

[strange wave]

for haast i literally just listed the reasons

[blissful onyx]

isnt haast like super small?

[quiet estuary]

You realize an animal, such as galli
would be quite easy to menuvre a dive from such an animal

[strange wave]

yes its literally a bullet, small, stupid fast, kills anything up to galli size

[blissful onyx]

i feel like a small eagle doesnt really fit in with the rest of the roster

[quiet estuary]

Nor do I think a bird of paradise

but here we are

[outer condor]

Then don't make it kill up to galli size

[blissful onyx]

who said anything about a bird of paradise

[honest sparrow]

or make it as fast as a bullet

[quiet estuary]

Hypsilophodon

[strange wave]

argent should be doing something entirely different to every other flyer, scavenging and actually doing it well, having a kit thats specialized around scavenging and stealing kills

[blissful onyx]

oh i see 🙄

[strange wave]

adding a fucking tiny eagle isnt going to do anything positive for the game

[quiet estuary]

Its going to add a unique playstyle to flyers

[strange wave]

its not unique

its stupid

[quiet estuary]

How

[strange wave]

and unneeded

[blissful onyx]

its not unique cause its literally just an eagle

[strange wave]

why do we need haast as an animal

[quiet estuary]

both of those things can be applied to the predatory pterosaur

No new animal is "needed"

and the term stupid is subjective

[strange wave]

not in this case

[quiet estuary]

Playstyle is the keyword

[strange wave]

haast is stupid for the isle

[quiet estuary]

You keep saying it is stupid

[blissful onyx]

so ur animal is more preferable over an animal that can have any playstyle and fill any niche?

[strange wave]

it is stupid

[quiet estuary]

your only argument is that it is stupid

[strange wave]

no

[quiet estuary]

You said previous ones

[honest sparrow]

actually relevant air to air predator, can function as flyer grappler

[quiet estuary]

which i countered

then you went on to saying "stupid" repeatedly

I say mine is preferable flamingo since it actually existed

[honest sparrow]

they do mostly the same thing in concept, unless I'm mistaken that is

[quiet estuary]

At least for the raptorial flying creature

[strange wave]

my argument is that i suggested haast for months only to eventually see how stupid and unbalanced it is, because we dont need a tiny, stupid strong, stupid fast, stupid manuverable, stupid animal, in the game

[quiet estuary]

a predatory pterosaur can work like again

vampirous anurognathid or dimorphodon family member

[blissful onyx]

you are mistaken, it literally can do or be anything so long as it looks like a pterasaur

[quiet estuary]

There are multiple ways to balance such a creature bork

Lets start of with speed shall we

[honest sparrow]

so a flying grappler, that can do things a flying grappler can do, but is altered to like specialize at night or in groups? Depending on what they could do

[quiet estuary]

Horizontal speed: bad
Vertical dive: good

The animals need to pay attention to avoid being damaged by such a dive

Now let us move onto manuverability

[blissful onyx]

did you read "possible abilities" as "actual abilities"?

the whole point of the animal is that its open ended

[quiet estuary]

the animal is manuverable horizontally

but when diving it cannot change direction and either has to pull up or take the hit to the prey item or ground

if prey item is too large, recoil, if its ground recoil
which both are likely to kill it

[honest sparrow]

no, it's just since it has no concrete ideas I'm throwing out the same things

[strange wave]

you miss the point, it can do, literally anything, look like literally anything, infinite possibilities in the animal

[quiet estuary]

stupid strong

only when it has incredibly high velocity

but returning to the predatory pterosaur

[strange wave]

you act like i havent said the same damn thing before, i have, i realized that an op animal isnt good for the game, you need to aswell

[blissful onyx]

there is no base to argue about abilities because neither animal is confirmed or has confirmed abilities and one is fictional and there is no actual way to predict its abilities. only guess

[honest sparrow]

so the idea that it could do anything basically its a pterosaur with big legs that could do anything

[quiet estuary]

I think saying "I did this so you must too" isnt very constructive

Im giving you examples, if you realized that they were wrong give me the exact reasons that convinced you they were wrong

And if they are the above reasons you stated before

then I dont see how you are in the right

[blissful onyx]

its not a pterasaur with big legs cause its literally just a concept

[honest sparrow]

so the only concept is that it's just a pterosaur that could do anything

[blissful onyx]

its a pterasaur that could fill a raptorial niche in anyway yes

[quiet estuary]

Is the idea a pterosaur who is a generalist?
Or just a fictional pterosaur that can be given any flying niche that isnt filled currently

[blissful onyx]

i like how you word it better the second one

[honest sparrow]

ok

[quiet estuary]

Well, in that case

I dont see why it has to be fictional

Theres a massive group of pterosaurs to choose from

Herbi or Omni pterosaur?
tapejara family

Coastal Scavenger
Rhamp family

etc

[honest sparrow]

Tupa, mesa, rhamphoryncids that aren't smaller than compy

[quiet estuary]

Mesa?

[blissful onyx]

because raptorial pterosaurs do not exsist. and ive looked thru many ptersaur and find some that work well is really hard

[strange wave]

alright take this idea, make it like thalassodromeus, but actually useful

[strange wave]

mfw tupan is almost ptera sized

[quiet estuary]

And that matters because?

Tupa would do well as an omnivore pterosaur

[honest sparrow]

(big anurognathid, could be possible nocturnal blood sucker)

[quiet estuary]

And pteranodon does well in forests right now

Ah

[blissful onyx]

alright well im gonna skedaddle ill cya guys

[quiet estuary]

Bye

[honest sparrow]

because at least tupan has some options in terms of differentiating itself

[quiet estuary]

Thalasso does as well

it used to be in the same family as tupa

you could argue it for omnivore pterosaur as well

[strange wave]

thalasso was never in the same family as tupan

never

[honest sparrow]

thassalo is its own rabbit hole I don't wanna deal with

[quiet estuary]

Iirc in the past it was in tapejaridae

[strange wave]

its an azdarchoid like quetz

[honest sparrow]

it just looks like a tapejarid

[quiet estuary]

Currently thalasso is in its own group

the thalassodromidae

with tupuxara

who is similarly as large if i recall right

[honest sparrow]

@barren zephyr hold space while stationary, it'll blow your mind

[quiet estuary]

What if it did that while moving as well

As it should

and did in real life

[honest sparrow]

no it doesn't

[quiet estuary]

If you hold space while stationary it doesnt run like an albatross no

If you do it while you move it does

[honest sparrow]

it takes off like a normal pterosaur if you just hold it while stationary

[quiet estuary]

That is what Doesnt Matter is refering to

Also

what is the metnion of pela

[honest sparrow]

eh, doesn't really need it

it does but I don't mind

[quiet estuary]

I agree wit hthe redesign idea
but think it should be saved until the developers have less things on their hand

[honest sparrow]

if it actually makes it into the game

devs wanting a dinosaur =/= in the game

[quiet estuary]

Animations take a while to do

[hoary dawn]

||community dino||

[quiet estuary]

Devs vote on animals if i remember correctly

So if bryan is one of the only votes for pelagornis

[honest sparrow]

shhhhhhh go back to counting every time someone likes your suggestion

[quiet estuary]

Then I doubt itll be added

We dont know that

I dont know which would be worse lol

the rex clone or the ptera clone

[hoary dawn]

at least pela looks unique

[honest sparrow]

I tried really hard last night to come up with something for tarbo

did not work out well at all

[quiet estuary]

Pteranodon could both mechanically and realistically do most things pela could do

Maybe just in a more fragile way though
Why do that to pteranodon

Its like what they did to orodremus with hypsilophodon

[honest sparrow]

the only thing I mildly interesting thought I came up with was internal bleeding, and even then that should be a somewhat universal mechanic

[quiet estuary]

Dont they use a smaller species of pteranodon

making it smaller than pelagornis

[honest sparrow]

na they use longiceps

[quiet estuary]

Ah

[honest sparrow]

which is huge

[quiet estuary]

Well then yes pelagornis would be more fragile

[honest sparrow]

no guys it can bully kills

[quiet estuary]

What

[honest sparrow]

(of fucking compies)

[quiet estuary]

Do people claim that it would bully kills

I knew the isle community could be moronic on ocassion

but

[honest sparrow]

trust me, they do, I have been around for pela suggestions since they were first introduced

[quiet estuary]

sad day indeed

Werent the devs going to do a skin system in the future similar to Primal Carnage Mutations?

Pelagornis can possibly fit that for pteranodon

[honest sparrow]

Big Ig or tupan are the best options but I doubt it

Yeah alternate skins were mentioned a while ago

[quiet estuary]

why wouldnt it

Sure its a diff skeleton

[honest sparrow]

I actually have that as a doc but its currently not being worked on

[quiet estuary]

I mean like, size is fickle in this game

[honest sparrow]

they have similar enough sizes to work, wingspan is similar

[quiet estuary]

Isnt deino much smaller now

that it actually was

Let me find the image real quick

[honest sparrow]

its just cosmetic, giving ptera feathers and a beak with teeth could be fun

[quiet estuary]

I dont think Isle deinosuchus reflects this well

But I could be wrong as there are no humans to compare

[honest sparrow]

as a pela skin, yeah, it could work

this is if pela isn't added to the game

again, just a fun cosmetic idea

[icy lion]

our deino isnt that big

[quiet estuary]

If they plan on using every model they can
Its possible they may use models in customization

[icy lion]

last i heard filipe stated it was 11.5m

[quiet estuary]

Ah

thank you

[icy lion]

ikr

[quiet estuary]

A larger deino would be fine
especially with all the shallow areas to drink currently

[icy lion]

fill sized deino would wreak havoc, even with the full roster imo

[quiet estuary]

Ofc map changes are approaching

What

Deino is fine where it is

The only issue is the alt bite not draining stamina

oh and the fact that hitboxes/desync/collisions are janky

[honest sparrow]

adding apexes to the current roster was stupid but in terms of its future yeah an upsize would be fine if they increase the grow time

[quiet estuary]

They are common
But that doesnt mean the animal is unbalanced
just the playerbase is playing the biggest thing

yes ofc you would increase growth time

5 hr at that size would be ludicrious

yes

[honest sparrow]

stego at least has an excuse in being planned ai that they finished but had no ai for

[echo bridge]

and the only thing that could limit its influence on land
Stego
barely is able to now thanks to its stupid high tail swing stam cost, lunge stun making it really easy outside of 1v1's, and relying entirely on head hits to outdps a deino sticking its head through the stegos ass to its head and alt biting

[quiet estuary]

I like baryonyx but I dont think they shouldve delayed the update with it

The creatures concept was only shown very recently so I doubt the model or any other work is too far in

[icy lion]

the only problem is that bary didnt even have concept art, imo they probably added deino and ptera together since theyve been super hyped

they were supposed to be added to legacy before the recode and evrima became a thing

[quiet estuary]

Beipi makes more sense

[honest sparrow]

deino was worked on for how long again?

like 2-3 years?

[quiet estuary]

4

[honest sparrow]

jesus christ

[echo bridge]

kentro also didnt have concept art when stego was added
neither was its model even ready to be presented

[quiet estuary]

Its been confirmed since like 2016 no?

[echo bridge]

both current iterations of stego and deino have been worked on since 2019

[honest sparrow]

yeah but like a bunch of stuff had models then but weren't really worked on

its complicated

allo? curbing stego? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[echo bridge]

at least the young
unless Stego is left as helpless as it is now, where even Carnos can kill it

[quiet estuary]

Why would a 3 ton predator hunt a 5 ton herbivore who has meter long tail spikes

Yes young ones

I was scared you meant adults lmao

[honest sparrow]

and not ruining the ecosystem in the process, and 100% not being able to take on a decently sized sub stego? fucking lamoy

[echo bridge]

arguably until its full grown
young stego sucks hot ass thanks to Stegos 2x headshot multiplier

[quiet estuary]

I dont think allosaurus hunted adults irl

At least not commonly

[honest sparrow]

allo hunting an adult is suicide

[quiet estuary]

Possibly

[echo bridge]

sauro & torvo was probably stegos limiting predator
not allo

[honest sparrow]

carnos have similar problems hunting them but they're faster, and really shouldn't be hunting them in the first place

an allo is not only fatter

but slower

[quiet estuary]

Stego isnt too helpless, didnt have much issues against carnos with the entire swing in the direction they move not where they are comign from

Sure I had to tank a few hits but outside of that not many issues other than the wallowing

Sauro is its own thing now iirc

[echo bridge]

cosidering they are still seperate species at least
and there is zero reason for TI to have Sauro/Allo maximus thanks to Acro
we are only getting Allo fragilis
which would have zero reason to fight an adult stegosaurus outside of desperation

[honest sparrow]

but yeah allo would fucking destroy everything in the ecosystem too

[quiet estuary]

Stego doenst need to be prey for allo

[echo bridge]

stego literally has the apex trio to worry about
if it has to worry about allo, what the fuck is it gonna do to a rex, giga , spino or acro?
run?
with that fat ass?

[quiet estuary]

^

[echo bridge]

stego cant juke, so the predator just has to get close enough and its a confirmed kill if Stego is worried about Allo in combat

[honest sparrow]

stego could literally punch a hole through bones and allos no no zone with little issue

[quiet estuary]

Stego is an apex herbivore

Why would allosaurus hunt it
Packs i can see doing it with possibly the loss of two or three if they are of equal skill

[echo bridge]

also stego cannot dwell in the open since they need trees and objects to scrape utahs off of them to survive

[honest sparrow]

I can see stego being a rare part of allos diet

[echo bridge]

stego cannot just run

[quiet estuary]

Then the apex predators trot after it

The animal is an apex

[honest sparrow]

stego is designed as a stand and fight herbi

[echo bridge]

the only apex i could see stego being faster than is spino

[quiet estuary]

No
A proper apex

[echo bridge]

stego also needs its stam if it wants to fight back considerably at all

[honest sparrow]

you make it outrun things it actually has trouble fighting it becomes stupid

[quiet estuary]

sure its on the lighter side
But its damage capabilities make up for it

If you put it like that sure

[echo bridge]

depends what you think about theriz

[quiet estuary]

Yea

[echo bridge]

its lighter than stego and can only defend itself in 1 direction

[honest sparrow]

if you count anky or theri no

[echo bridge]

anky got upsized

[quiet estuary]

You say that

but trot exists

[echo bridge]

and stego trot is slow as shit

[quiet estuary]

Exactly

[echo bridge]

and its stam regen is slow as shit

[quiet estuary]

In legacy sure

[echo bridge]

theriz no
anky yes

[honest sparrow]

what is stego supposed to do against giga if it can't fight allo

[quiet estuary]

The regen doesnt matter

the trot does

[honest sparrow]

giga will just trot it down and destroy it if it can't properly defend itself

[echo bridge]

thats not "cosiderably better", thats just running away

when you want stego to run

but it literally doesnt have the tools

[quiet estuary]

If the apex wants to bite the stego it needs to lower their head which puts it in quite easy tail range

[echo bridge]

stego running at the current speed an anim is already a stretch
it having good endurance is a joke

plus makes it more oppressive against smaller animals it 1-2 shots

[honest sparrow]

fighting a stego should be like entering a fucking pain chamber

[echo bridge]

just make stego able to protect itself with its damage

yes it does

[honest sparrow]

yes it does

[quiet estuary]

Meter long tail spikes

Its tail spikes are the length of triceratops horns

[echo bridge]

punctured lung or heart
apex is dead

[quiet estuary]

At least in the isle

[honest sparrow]

a headshot with a thagomizer would 100% seriously damage if not kill a rex

instantly

[echo bridge]

then you can just keep the head away

[quiet estuary]

It would bring an apex quite low

Ingame

And in real life kill possibly depending on where it hit

And deino doesnt kill it until 5 shots

[echo bridge]

deinosuchus is also technically an apex

[honest sparrow]

stego is supposedly weaker now then it will be in the future to balance it out in the current roster

[quiet estuary]

So your apex headshot argument doesnt apply there either

[honest sparrow]

and deino is like water apex

[echo bridge]

much much weaker

the fact stego doesnt 1 shot carno with a headshot

is laughable

[quiet estuary]

Is idiotic

[honest sparrow]

so like when bigger things are added they're probably gonna upscale the damage

[quiet estuary]

I do fine with stego vs carno atm though

[honest sparrow]

by a shitload

[quiet estuary]

But im one who tends to use the environment more than my swings

[echo bridge]

thats because carnos cant tail cheese anymore and actually have to play the matchup right

where they bait and get head hits

[quiet estuary]

Yes

[echo bridge]

easily one of the harder things to fight a stego with

[honest sparrow]

stego would arguably be better than trike because it covers a wider area with its high damage gear

[quiet estuary]

Utahs pre the pounce changes were my main worry

[echo bridge]

utah vs stego got helped out by the locational change so utahs cant just tail tank thago swings and pounce you to death without effort

trike also has a tanking option

[honest sparrow]

probably but stego should still do a shitload

[echo bridge]

as its frill is inches of bone

[quiet estuary]

Trike walks foward
Stego turns around and hits anything that tries to walk past

both do heavy hits

[honest sparrow]

stego is very much a keep away/spacing playstyle, trike is more tanky

[quiet estuary]

Doesnt need to be a competition

[echo bridge]

trike is the facetank king

legacy dogshit

[quiet estuary]

Legacy is quite the mistake

[honest sparrow]

legacy in evrima balance discussion

[quiet estuary]

sad it is the main branch

[honest sparrow]

sooner legacy is wiped out the better

[quiet estuary]

Wipe no

Make evrima the main branch and keep legacy as an opt yes

I personally would say do the swap after nesting

Exactly

[echo bridge]

legacy literally cant get updated

remember the legacy patch that tried to fix the dino hacking?

[quiet estuary]

yes

[echo bridge]

and how much that broke?

[quiet estuary]

People were hacking in hypers

and other dev only creatures

[echo bridge]

rotten garbage spaghetti code that required an entire rework to make the game development even feasible
evrima is that rework

legacy is dead

[honest sparrow]

aren't they still doing that

[quiet estuary]

I dont know about them still hacking in hypers

but I do know that some of hte hackers found ways to get the evrima creatures on private servers

Some yotuube videos were posted

[echo bridge]

it wasn't that, it was customer security since your shit could get hacked by hacked servers as well as private company security reasons i've heard

[quiet estuary]

Ill attempt to find it

[limber hull]

@keen sparrow entirely agree

i was really disappointed when i heard that apparently there are plans to make 60% of the server population AI dinos

im unsure if these claims are true but i always found joy in the fact that the game was primarily PvP

[wild stone]

The amount of AI on a server will be toggle-able

[keen sparrow]

I sure hope so

I still don’t think it’s the right move tho

[limber hull]

also the only AI, that being dryo, does not spark much hope for the future of AI

the dryo is dumb free food

[keen sparrow]

that’s what ai needs to be imo

[limber hull]

it literally waits for predators to catch up and runs

[keen sparrow]

but it needs to be limited so you can’t just live off of it

[limber hull]

i agree with that

fish is good

since it's a dietary need

[keen sparrow]

agreed

[limber hull]

but i've never liked dinos being AI

especially playable dinos

if the dino is playable, making it AI is straightup confusing

imagine trying to make a friend as a dryo and it's just AI

[keen sparrow]

yea having ai carnis both lower class and apexes just doesn’t settle well

it’ll end up being players v ai

which is not the game I want to play lol

[limber hull]

yea they apparently are planning AI T-Rexes

which seems... unwise

and AI stegos

[keen sparrow]

we don’t need another ark 😩

[limber hull]

if they're as dumb as the dryo, this is free food for apexes

dryo is at least a passable AI because it's small

it will not act as a consistent food source for big boys

[keen sparrow]

yea I love the idea of small ai

[limber hull]

however, an AI stego will absolutely satiate a T-Rex

[keen sparrow]

crabs, bugs, etc is all cool

[limber hull]

still don't like how all their planned AIs are also playable dinos

[wild stone]

Imagine the wonderful moments of realizing "Hey, that's another player!" after he's been acting like an AI for 10 minutes around you, and then says something in chat or does something obviously only a player would do.

[limber hull]

like apparently utah, the pack-based predator, is planned as an AI

how the fuck do you arrange a pack with AI utahs

[keen sparrow]

yea but that’s what it should always be like

not trying to figure out whether you’re staring at another player or not for 10 minutes

[limber hull]

exactly

[wild stone]

If you think creatively about this, you'll realize how wonderful AI will be for the game.

[limber hull]

i can't see it, sorry

if the AI is shit like little crabs, tiny dinos or other very small, inconsequential things, that's fine. Fish is already good for this

But having a giant fucking stego be a dumb-ass AI which serves as free apex food is... egh

sounds like a surefire way to discourage playing herbivore even more

[keen sparrow]

I wound like to see an ai dilo pack circling you for an hour straight trying to pick off a single individual while trying not to die at the same time

[limber hull]

why play herbivore when carnivore has AI prey for easy capture, half your potential packmates won't respond to you or interact because they are AI and it becomes much harder to actually play with other players

AI is very anti-herbivore

[keen sparrow]

I mean you can have good ai

but i feel like no matter how hard you try it won’t reach human level gameplay

[limber hull]

even if the AI is good who cares? It's still stripping away from the creativity and unpredictable nature of a human

even in triple-A games, people find ways to exploit holes in the AI's behaviour to obtain easy kills

[keen sparrow]

yep

[limber hull]

this will be no different

[keen sparrow]

I agree

[limber hull]

you can say "oh but they're working on the best AI they can", but current technology literally cannot have AI that complex that it can replicate human behaviours

it will always fall short of the dynamic nature of facing another player

[keen sparrow]

I agree lmao

[limber hull]

im not at all excited for AI lmao

other people say it's necessary but I do not see it.

[keen sparrow]

it’s definitely not necessary

legacy wasn’t discontinued cuz it wasn’t fun

some of the most terrifying moments in the game happened when I was playing legacy

and all those moments were from other players

[limber hull]

well technically legacy also had AI

but it was really dumb

[keen sparrow]

yea exactly

players couldn’t live off of it

unless you wanted to be extremely bored

you really can’t beat the feeling of getting surrounded at night by a pack of carnivores

I just can’t see ai doing that

[limber hull]

and you know what people did when they discovered the AI spawn nodes? They farmed it as an apex while sitting in a bush until they reached adulthood. I see the exact same thing happening here

[keen sparrow]

yea

we need smarter but smaller ai

stuff that can actually do stuff but small enough that players can’t live off of it forever

[limber hull]

fish already is good enough AI for me lmao

especially since only a few characters will be designed to actually use them

[hoary dawn]

ai are good in the situations where players aren't providing a certain part in the ecosystem

[solar latch]

or when theres like 20 people online lol

[hoary dawn]

ye

[solar latch]

also I think if they made server caps significantly higher it would increase immersion a lot and limit the complaints abt lack of AI

like, a 200 player cap would make servers way more alive

or like, 1000 even. idk how the servers would handle that but a huge server cap would be a m a z i n g

[urban flax]

Servers will probably never handle 1000 players

[solar latch]

probs not, but it would be hella cool if they could pull that off, or even get it to like 500

[urban flax]

Even 500 seems far-fetched

[solar latch]

I mean, I think WOT pulled of like 190K ppl in one server which is insane, but, if they can do that im sure theres a way to get it so these servers can handle more than the current cap

[urban flax]

WOT ?

[solar latch]

y e a h

[urban flax]

What's WOT ?

[solar latch]

World of Tanks

[urban flax]

ah

[urban flax]

But were they all on a single map ?

[solar latch]

I think so?

I mean, 190K is insane, if you could somehow get near 1,000 for this game in a single server that would be good to keep a constant ecosystem across the whole map of players eating other players

and throw some AI, and people, and bam

[urban flax]

Though even ith 1000 players, I'm not sure we could get a functioning ecosystem

[solar latch]

well, maybe if the AI supplemented any player issues with that

[urban flax]

Because of one simple thing
You need at the very least 3x the amount of prey compared to predators

So if more than 25% of players play carnivore, that's already fucked

[solar latch]

well, you could do a species limit then? tho I mean eventually the carnivores will run out of adult food and be forced to eat eachother then

plus, the map is massive

[urban flax]

No, species limit is a terrible idea

[pseudo falcon]

You'll never have 1k players in an isle server lmfao

[icy lion]

@pseudo falcon have you seen the new roadmap? nesting was moved forward to update 5

[urban flax]

Is being forced to cannibalize a working ecosystem to you ?

[solar latch]

no, but wouldnt an AI supplement help it? And the players being spread out across the map too

[pseudo falcon]

Yes I have, I think it's too important to be even after fractures.

[solar latch]

you would if you lowered the amount of servers 👀

[pseudo falcon]

that's not how that works

The amount of servers has no impact on the capacity a server can handle

[urban flax]

9 women can't make a baby in 1 month

[pseudo falcon]

what...

[solar latch]

h u h

[pseudo falcon]

wtf

[solar latch]

xD

[urban flax]

You don't know that expression ?

[solar latch]

no lmao

[pseudo falcon]

nope

[urban flax]

Maybe only french use it...

[pseudo falcon]

I'm francophone and I have no clue what that means

maybe my dad would lol

[solar latch]

a n y w a y s maybe not 1K but idk, a higher cap would make finding other players easier

and remove the AI problem of never having enough food

[urban flax]

"if a woman can make a baby in 9 months, that doesn't mean 9 women can make a baby in 1 month"
That means that having more people or things dosn't always make things better or faster

[pseudo falcon]

Either way, server capacity is heavily limited by the optimization of a game, unfortunately the isle's dinosaurs are made-up of thousands of poligons that have an impact on the server's performance

[solar latch]

hm. Idk if its the best example, but Arma III is able to have hundreds of AI running around without murdering frames/optimization

[pseudo falcon]

Once the server reaches it's capacity it's not a good idea to forcibly increase it without sacrificing elements in favor of performance

[solar latch]

idk how they optimize it but there are bullets and rockets flying around and it still functions

[urban flax]

That's becasue AI costs much less performance-wise than players

[pseudo falcon]

Because you don't have a seperate computer sending signals to another computer telling it to take specified actions on your character

[solar latch]

fair I guess

[pseudo falcon]

Ai can be handled with a single computer

player each have a computer behind them sending a signal to another computer

[solar latch]

idk im just saying a higher cap on servers would be better if they could figure it out imo

[urban flax]

They're always working on increasing server caps

But don't hope to reach 1000 one day

[pseudo falcon]

Of course it would be better, but not for players with low end PCs

It's not only impactful to performance on a server, but also to a player's PC and it's ability to render what's on screen.

[solar latch]

maybe adding lower graphics settings for evrima would fix that? bc theres a lot of ambient stuff that could maybe be removed to help lower end computers function

cus even low rn is fairly high for a not-great pc

[pseudo falcon]

Yeah but than you're turning the isle into roblox

we don't want roblox isle

[solar latch]

xD tru

[urban flax]

Also since this a pvp game this can lead to unbalance

For example, less foliage means less cover

[pseudo falcon]

It's been made clear that the devs want their game to be as performant and pretty as feasible

[urban flax]

Or less shadow quality can make models stick out in the night

[solar latch]

well then thats just gonna naturally force lower-end pc players out

cus not everyone will be able to run it

[pseudo falcon]

Either way, nesting honestly improves the ecosystem that you seem to find trouble in balancing predator / prey

a herbivore will more likely be significantly superior at nesting than a carnivore

[urban flax]

In Heroes of The Storm (some moba) for example, lower quality makes some enemy attack areas easier to see

[solar latch]

true I cant wait for nesting to be in finally

[pseudo falcon]

making it easier to nest in players who will happily join knowing they'll have a group to play with and a parent to defend them