#general-feedback-discussion

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dreamy wren
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there are plenty of small animals in the planned roster that quetz would be able to kill.

slim elbow
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how is quetz gonna kill small animals? they are usually hard to catch

swift dew
dreamy wren
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you have just described counterplay

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how is that bad

hoary dawn
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quetz can ambush the smalls that are faster than it and easily run down juvies

swift dew
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a hypsi that knows what it is doing is ridiculously hard to catch even as a utah, a quetz will not be able to touch one. even a dryo will be impossible to hit

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and will all the trees if you miss your first hit they are gone and into the forest

dreamy wren
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that's how an ambush works

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the quetz can only kill them if they're unaware and in the open

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which i don't see as a problem

honest sparrow
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and if it comes down to extreme cases quetz could land and try the forest

slim elbow
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it's hard not to see a giant thing coming from the sky

swift dew
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how is a giant pterasaur going to ambush something? its as tall as a giraffe. and its a pterasaur so it sure as fuck wont be running them down

barren zephyr
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vampire flier when

dreamy wren
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does it have a magical jet engine that will make noise as it descends?

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or how about at night?

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there are many ways for it to be stealthy

barren zephyr
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mesadactylus

honest sparrow
swift dew
slim elbow
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how can it see ground objectives at night? XD

swift dew
barren zephyr
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vampire mesadactylus best flier

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😄

dreamy wren
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but it's not meant to land and brawl animals that are many times larger than itself

dreamy wren
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i see it swooping in, snatching one and leaving

honest sparrow
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as long as it doesn't sound like legacy acro when it flies down it should be fine

dreamy wren
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a minmi is 60% of a quetz's weight, it'll satiate it for a while

swift dew
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quetz weighs nothing

slim elbow
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once the quetz touches the ground it's gonna die to a utah or something like that

hoary dawn
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risk and reward gameplay

slim elbow
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not to mention the swarms of pteras sniping quetzs

honest sparrow
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I mean if you get caught lacking by a utah on the ground that's kinda your fault tbh

slim elbow
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it's gonna happen and you know it :D

dreamy wren
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I see then i was mistaken, i thought quetz was 500kg lol

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evidently its closer to 250

swift dew
dreamy wren
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though it depends on if we're talking the larger or smaller species

hoary dawn
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i dont think a quetz would eat a minmi anyway since they'll be in water a bunch

honest sparrow
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I mean maybe if the minmi was chilling on land for some reason, or fleeing some deinos

dreamy wren
hoary dawn
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juvies would absolutely fucked by quetz tho

dreamy wren
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hunting juvies isn't really a completely viable strategy but the option is there

slim elbow
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mark my words... quetz gonna be extinct by pteras 🤣

barren zephyr
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mesa

dreamy wren
barren zephyr
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vampire flier

honest sparrow
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also quetz could probably just fly higher than a ptera and just peck them into an early grave

dreamy wren
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anyways point is quetz has a perfectly open niche that pela doesn't

golden beacon
slim elbow
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take a heavy fighter in War Thunder against a swarm of biplanes

sly ibex
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Lol

golden beacon
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This aint war thunder buddy

slim elbow
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just mark my words :D

golden beacon
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10 utahs vs 1 deino, the deino can still win

honest sparrow
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all quetz has to do is just fly higher and it wins the interaction

dreamy wren
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pteranodon weighs 90kg

honest sparrow
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pteras will waste all the stam in the process, and get caught lackin

dreamy wren
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like i said quetz weighs 3-5 times as much and it will probably have a oneshot mechanic like all carnis have against small targets

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if the ptera messes up once it dies

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either way whatever it is if the ptera is that small itll probably get oneshot lol

golden beacon
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Quetz will be vulnerable on the ground tho like all flyers

dreamy wren
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yeah except instead of what, 9 tons, itll be 400kg lmao

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true

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yeah that's fair

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deino "mains"

golden beacon
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Was playing ptera today, got a bunch of baby kills XD 3 deinos,2 carnos,2 utahs

dreamy wren
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3.5 ton sucho vs almost 3x its weight deino

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hmm

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desync means you get oneshot b y deinos from halfway across the map lol

golden beacon
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It was alright today for me, almost killed a sub carno as a hatchling utah so desync was on my side then

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I also took a chunk of a carnos health earlier as a ptera just flew up to em and started biting while he was laying down

glad dirge
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Well that's different

normal topaz
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Are the devs planning on implementing the option to sort servers by population, ping, etc?

hoary dawn
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probably

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they'll updating the ui stuff a bunch here and there

swift dew
golden beacon
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Yeah because it needs to hold its own against mid tiers, also i thought pachyrhinosaurus was smaller than that its actually quite big

still raptor
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I hate 5 ton sucho

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And 1,600 kg Cerato

paper oriole
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damn rumo spamming those reacts lol

still raptor
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Where?

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shit

swift dew
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seriously, alt bite needs to be as slow as regular bite, and it should cost a little bit of stam so we stop getting so many land deinos

still raptor
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I'm actually stupid

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fuck

paper oriole
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stego's stam is destroyed by its only actual defense while it is in its proper environment, meanwhile deino can spam alt bite outside its proper environment for free

still raptor
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This is why I don't talk here anymore

swift dew
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yeah, stego should use only 5% stam per swing, maybe even less. instead of the 10% it uses now, along with the deino nerf would put deinos back into the water

paper oriole
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if stegot got an AOE it may have an excuse to cost more than 5% stam to use it, but its jab definitely shouldn't cost any more than 5%

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it should get an AOE also

cyan flame
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Slow alt bite + stam drain should help on the deino. Alt should be more of a defensive tool to keep things off of you while getting into water I think. And yeah,stego current drain is a bit harsh, another 5 attacks would probably be fine.

onyx siren
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what is the point of the alt bite?

sturdy widget
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To stop assriding I believe

cyan flame
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It turns you while biting and allows you to catch someone behind you or to the sides, unlike a normal bite to the front.

onyx siren
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ok, gotcha

paper oriole
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to stop assriders and surprise snatch i guess, but they could have just given him a sweep

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surprise snatch it really unnecessary though since it encourages it to come on land

onyx siren
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yeah, that makes good sense

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maybe a slight stam decrease so that, eventually, a land deino would tire and finally be killed by a group

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Does the same damage too?

paper oriole
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take the bs 10% stam drain on stego's only defense and give it to deino's alt bite instead TI_Troll

onyx siren
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lol, i think the attack speed should remain the same

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but the more alt bites the faster the stam decrease

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so it would punish spammers

paper oriole
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his alt bite speed is fine, but it shouldnt be spammable as it is now

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so it should destroy their stam is they spam it

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like legacy's diminishing returns on jumping

cyan flame
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And Im not sure on the speed, could be the same as normal bite, at least frontwise

paper oriole
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They shouldn't make carnivore gameplay worse, they should make herbivore gameplay better

tall oasis
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lol

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i just realized u made the post, u saw nothing...

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wow

swift dew
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that and your second suggestion is just wrong, hypsi is worth playing because of zero growth and is the perfect troll dino if you just don't care, dryo is for good trolls. teno is ridiculously fun if your good, I would actually put stego as the worst playable to play as now since it gets clapped by deinos at the shoreline and can hardly defend itself from more than one utah or carno with its 10% stamina drain per swing

tall oasis
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which oneqwf AfA
Fs?

patent garden
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honestly tho its a lil ridiculous that it takes so much skill to survive as a herbi but not as a carni... should be the opposite way around. herbis should be what you pick when you wanna play medium difficulty, not a 1v10 run n die

swift dew
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what are you talking about? herbis are ridiculously easy. you just find a bush and afk. then drink find an edible bush to eat and afk some more. with carnis you actually have to kill something often

fiery wraith
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yeah isnt herbi stealth or herd

patent garden
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“afk and bush” isnt gameplay tho, every herbi shouldnt be stealth gameplay

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dryo or hypsi? yeah sure

swift dew
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and then once your grown you either run at the speed of sound and can turn instantly (dryo) beat up multiple utahs at once, or 1v2 carnos if your good enough (teno) the only herbi that sucks atm is stego because of bad balancing, in theory it should be one of the best

patent garden
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“if you’re good enough” thats the thing tho, herbis should take less skill to play than carnis. it is ridiculously easy to play carnis rn — 2/4 can survive fairly well on AI, and carnos/utahs... are really easy to play in my experience

swift dew
patent garden
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it should be way harder to attack than to defend

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plus, isnt it more fun for carnis if a hunt is actually risky and takes skill to play? how does that not benefit both carnis and herbis?

swift dew
patent garden
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how long do tenontos take to grow atm

swift dew
patent garden
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bruh

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and they get shat on by utahs

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1h15 utahs

swift dew
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they dont, you just spam alt-left click and you can easily take 3 utahs

patent garden
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since it’s a 1v8 for a tenonto vs a utah pack

swift dew
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wahhh? if its an 1v8 ofc your going to lose

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its 8 utahs

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you cannot expect to win that

patent garden
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until there are AI herds or more singular herbis, no one’s going to want to play herbi

swift dew
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speak for yourself because lots of people like playing herbis

patent garden
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im just saying the most common scenario for herbis is being outnumbered

feral solstice
vale pawn
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Hypsi gang

patent garden
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ive literally flown around all over the map on multiple servers. it’s like 80% carni from what i’ve seen

feral solstice
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How do you get 80% when the entire fucking map is forest

patent garden
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maybe its changed in the past three days since ive last played...?

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and sniffing and trying to find people

feral solstice
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Like, really. What kind of herbis are going out in the open to be seen

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Most people hide in the forest

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Especially herds

patent garden
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again, sniffing

feral solstice
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sniffing means jack shit when the entire canopy is covering and preventing scent

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Not just that

patent garden
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idk maybe there were 30 hypsis i didnt see

feral solstice
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Actually

patent garden
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it was pretty hard to find anyone when i was a tenonto, even on a 100 person server

feral solstice
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I saw 15 hypsis on NA1 yesterday raiding Pocket pond

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It was funny At

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Af*

patent garden
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alright then, just saying what my experience has been

feral solstice
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Yeah you’re unlucky then, which is unfortunate and not your fault by any means

swift dew
feral solstice
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Most of the time people are hiding in the forest

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And I don’t mean moving

vale pawn
feral solstice
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I mean legit bush afking

feral solstice
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I witnessed the murder of a poor hatchling Utah

vale pawn
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Lol, i saw a group of 3 hypsis kill a baby stego, they then went after me

patent garden
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idk i still think it should be harder to attack than to defend, it simply makes more sense — playing carni with AI on the server is like playing on easy mode

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maybe ive just been unlucky as a herbi and lucky as a carni

swift dew
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a better one (black is the biggest hotspots, red you should find people almost every time, and blue you will find pteras every single time)

unknown.png
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diets will help with that however

feral solstice
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Spawns aren’t really a cause when people spawn in the most popular location

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Hence center being super busy all the time

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People spawn where most players are

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Which people than communicate to others

swift dew
feral solstice
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Which encourages them to head towards center

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Increasing the population of center, increasing the likelihood players will spawn at center, etc

swift dew
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the thing about both the big hotspots is that they have shallow enough water so that you can drink in relative peace

feral solstice
rugged quarry
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I know people have recommended meganeura before but I believe it wouldn't be viable or fun with out making unique flying mechanics for it. Homeboy should have like dedicated airplane game mechanics. and be insanely fast. It should be the bane of all pterasaur babies.

swift dew
feral solstice
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Really?

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Last time I was a Deino there, it was a barren wastelands

swift dew
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from my experience I have had no shortages of people there

patent garden
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its good for baby deinos ive heard so a lot head there

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to avoid cannibalism

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plus usually there are utahs in the fields near it

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eh and the beaches too usually

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other than the beach near the northeast spawn

swift dew
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i mean, I was just kinda circling the general area, i guess this one is better

unknown.png
patent garden
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yeah its a shame but tbf the mountains are shit for terrestrial dinos

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cliffs are stupid as hell and whoever said “hm there’s a lot of vegetation in this jungle. let’s put slightly more over cliffs :)” should be fired

strange wave
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cant really fire the head developer

chilly slate
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I was running through the bushes as a hypsi and fell down one of the north mountains

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So hard to see

chilly slate
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That would be cool

patent garden
rugged quarry
fiery wraith
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are more biomes planned, or is it just swamp/jungle?

icy lion
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more are planned, like redwoods

fiery wraith
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thanks! that's so cool

vale pawn
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man i cant wait for redwoods

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i hope there as big as they can get

dense wagon
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i have to disagree with the temperate forest suggestion

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as a biome, it only really exists in areas with lower humidity
like north america
the isle is tropical

vale pawn
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yea thats an issue i didnt address bc of the limit of words

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it wouldnt fit in the tropical evrima theme

earnest perch
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@pale hazel The isle had attack that used Stamina in the past. It was a bad mechanic and less fun and made ton of unbalance like you chasing something...oh no i cant kill my prey due to low stamina or you are starving and you are forced to cannibalize..you ambush it, but you have spent stamina on running and he has not = he kills you because u didnt have enough stamina to kill. I could go on with this

Ofc. Some very strong attack like stego's tail should use stamina, but not every attack.

Utah and Carno are not ment to hunt or kill Deinos in the first place. Sure you can kill it if its a bad player or you know what you are doing.

dense wagon
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if there are different maps in the future, temperate ones, then that would be a good addition
but spiro and spero are gonna be tropical jungle areas for the most part

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ig we will have redwoods but that's as close to temperate as we will get on those maps

vale pawn
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redwoods is poggers

dense wagon
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yeah

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i'd like to see some snowy areas too if those biomes ever get their own map

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the deciduous forests i mean

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you could definitely throw in some tundras

vale pawn
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i was thinking maybe one side of spiro is more tropical, while the other is more temperate, with some biome to bridge the 2 of them

bold palm
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why would there be snow on a tropical island?

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they should put a volcano in the middle of the map, some designated biomes, food hot spots etc, rivers that actually connect you to dif parts of the map, larger swamps, etc.

steady lintel
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They said for there own map when mentioning the snowy biome

bold palm
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like a dead volcano with a huge lake in it's crater

steady lintel
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So not on a jungle island

bold palm
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like a yellowstone scenario

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could have seasons

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that would solve the snow issue

vale pawn
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Geysers

bold palm
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just look at africa and how it's biomes are situated... I guess.

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or maybe south america ?

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anyway, some big lake in the middle that all other rivers and such feed from

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i mean like lake superior size l ake

vale pawn
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something like titan lake

bold palm
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bigger

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but yes

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it would be it's own biome essentially

vale pawn
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like a freshwater biome, or a special biome around it

bold palm
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you'd have a few main larger rivers and then some smaller one feeding into the large ones.

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essentially connecting rivers around the map and adding paths for water dinos

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so they're isn't a huge open spot where deinos wouldn't go ever

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dead spots in other words

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then just get creative with it and don't randomize it have specific biomes setup so there isn't patches of dessert in the middle of the jungle type thing

earnest perch
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We might get snow biome...but that will only be in a biodome with artifical weather

bold palm
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seasons might be better

odd sedge
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Stop asking to bring back global chat. The devs won't bring it back

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I can get it that people want it for unofficial servers, but there is literally no need and the devs aren't really bothered for unofficial servers.
Global chat is heavily abused with slurs and sh*t, work around it because I know for a fact that reports for hackers and stuff run over discord and the broadcast function of the admins, even on legacy it was like this

hoary dawn
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almost like the devs are making the game they want to make instead of molding it to fit the rules of unofficial servers

full canopy
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Still don’t see how having it as an option for server owners would hurt anyone

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Also, I think herbivore chat should be a thing seeing as they’re almost expected to mix pack

steady lintel
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I think it’s the fact that one of the reasons was intended game design in removing global

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Yet doing so has enabled massive mix packing and trolls

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So I feel like that kinda back fired

limber hull
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i mean, it's harder to communicate with other creatures that you wanna mixpack without global lmao

steady lintel
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um yeah but mix packers wouldn’t use that in the first place

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The admins are in the same chat as you

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The problem is that for the most party players are completely anonymous when doing things like that now due to no global chat a player has to wait till the situation actually happens then it’s to late to really do anything the way to combat that was asking for assistance while it was happening

limber hull
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eh, it's not like official is teeming with admins so 🤷

urban flax
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Officials are supposed to work without admin

steady lintel
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Officials are teeming with mix packing so I don’t see the point

limber hull
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i think they can implement their own designs and features to counteract. It is in my opinion that any game that needs admins to make sure it runs appropriately has not done all it can to solve that issue themselves

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i don't see that many mixpackers at all. Only time I was in a mixpack was we were all being peaceful with stegos, deinos, utahs and carnos all hanging out and eating from one big pile of meat we had pooled together

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we weren't even killing people we just had a giant dead deino

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it was chill as fuck and good fun

steady lintel
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I mean that’s hardly an accurate assessment if mix packing is happening or not

limber hull
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outside of that one chill moment, rarely ever seen mixpacking

urban flax
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I saw an unexpected party once at deino pool
I was a ptera hanging out with the baby deinos, then raptors arrived and started to chill out, then tenos, hypsis and carnos came too just to chill

steady lintel
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Right but mix packing is still a thing and it’s not limited to chill sessions

urban flax
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I know
It's not like adding global chat back would fix it tho

limber hull
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i agree. Add an admin chat, go straight to the people you need

steady lintel
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And the argument is intended game design which the devs state is survival horror and I’m not saying global would fix it I just don’t agree with the statement that global enabled it more then what we currently have

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Except for the select few where people made servers specifically to mix pack back on legacy

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Where they sometimes didn’t even allow fighting or hunting

urban flax
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Global was making it easier

steady lintel
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For the servers that encouraged mix packing it did make it easier

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But ones like nublar if you mix packed someone would call it out right away and the admin would be there in a few seconds and the player would prob be kicked or banned shortly after

urban flax
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Yes, but officials are supposed to work without admins
And with global chat but without admins, you can't call out mixpackers

steady lintel
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Then what’s the solution for officials ?

urban flax
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To remove mixpacking ?

hoary dawn
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there are going to be mechanics that dissuade mixpacking

urban flax
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There's several, some are easier to do than others
Implement a mechanic to dissuade it
Make mixpacking non-viable

hoary dawn
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you shouldn't need an admin telling you how to play the game, there should be natural systems in place that help guide the player ecosystem

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which there will be to an extent

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diets is a big one

steady lintel
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That’s if diets have a big effect on it at all

urban flax
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They're gonna have an effect for sure
Utahs and carnos for example likely won't like to eat the same thing
So by mixpacking you would be forced to participate in hunts from which you can't eat after all

hoary dawn
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yes

urban flax
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(Or you can, but it wouldn't be as good as eating something that's part of your diet)

paper oriole
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I had heard carnivore diets would have a ton of wiggle room with minimal punishment so if that's true it will only discourage herbi mixpacking (which shouldn't be discouraged for the most part) and not change carni mixpacking at all

urban flax
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Herbi mixpacking can be as bad as carni mixpacking tbh

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Herbies aren't exactly the good guys in The Isle

paper oriole
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The social aspect is the main perk of herbi gameplay, didn't claim they were the ‘good guys’ exactly but they have nothing going for them compared the the opposing faction

steady lintel
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Okay it’s absolutely ridiculous seeing 4+ carnos constantly walking around with stegos tho

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Which is the mix packing I’m speaking out against

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Or the same species that pretend to be friendly

paper oriole
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Cross faction and carni mixpacking is so gross

steady lintel
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But they are actually In a vc with a carno or Utah pack

urban flax
paper oriole
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Hopefully what i had heard about carni diets wasnt true

urban flax
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Cause I can see pteras hanging out with herbivores just fine

paper oriole
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Nah theres also stuff like utahs and hypsis which is pretty toxic ive seen it

urban flax
paper oriole
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Utahs using hypsis to blind stegos, carnos etc while they are preoccupied

urban flax
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Hypsis have nothing to do of their lives outside of blinding things tho

paper oriole
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Yeah hypsi is pretty boring atm

hoary dawn
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hypsi is exclusively a troll animal atm

paper oriole
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But mixpacking

steady lintel
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I had a baby stego with me the other day and a hypsi kept blinding me then while I was blinded three tenos came and killed the baby for no reason

urban flax
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yes

paper oriole
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Lmao thats toxic af

steady lintel
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Then guess what I see three carnos come immediately to eat it

paper oriole
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Tenos are so bloodthirsty

hoary dawn
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the reason was probably for fun

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that's why people mixpack

paper oriole
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Oh if three carnos came immediately it was probably a mixpack yikers

hoary dawn
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cuz its fun

steady lintel
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It doesn’t matter it’s herbis hunting for carnos and the entire reason for all these changes is for intended game design

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I guarantee you if you asked punch of that’s intended game design he’d say no

urban flax
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That's why I hope AI will be more prevalent in the future
Cause AI can't mixpack

hoary dawn
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the devs cant completely control what the players can and can't do

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they can provide incentives to play a certain way

steady lintel
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I don’t really see how diets in this case will really provide a incentive

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It’s still meat for the carnis

hoary dawn
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wanna play as elder or strain? follow this specific diet/perk path

urban flax
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But there's better meat

hoary dawn
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dondi also said stuff a while ago about having to do passive things to keep up your dino's "comfort" by scratching horns on trees and stuff but idk if that's officially planned

steady lintel
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Dondi says A lot

paper oriole
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I doubt having to rub some trees is gonna stop a rex from using his utah minions to chase down a para though

hoary dawn
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well if the rex already put in the effort to grow then yea, but during growth you wont have the time to mess around with mixpacking unless you want to grow extra slow

paper oriole
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Not sure thats the case especially if rex shares diet preferences with smaller pack hunters

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As an example

steady lintel
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If I logged on right now as like a Utah and I had a stego friend kill stuff for me and constantly protect me at the water’s edge which I see constantly I’d grow 100 times easier then any other Utah

limber hull
urban flax
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AI won't be stupid forever
And face it, you can't have a working ecosystem only with players

limber hull
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but that takes so much charm from the game

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the fact that players have to eat other players is something i really love

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take that away and you've lost something that makes the Isle so special

urban flax
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Yes
But it can't work

limber hull
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it worked before

urban flax
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Did it ?

limber hull
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in my opinion, the game has always been about the player-driven ecosystem. Fish are fine because it's a food from a specific environment catered to specific dinos, same as plants are. But having tons and tons of AI takes a lot away from what makes this game so fucking cool. Players being both players and a form of resource for other players

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i really hope that the AI population stays minimal at best. I already don't like the AI dryos

urban flax
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The most reasonable guess is that AI will make around 60% of the server population

limber hull
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that's so fucked

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what a waste

urban flax
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Otherwise the Isle will never be what the devs wanted it to be

limber hull
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what do they want it to be that requires so much AI

urban flax
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An ecosystem

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A living world

limber hull
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it should be a player-driven ecosystem. An "ecosystem" on it's own warrants far less player engagement

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I really don't think AI should be dinos that are also playable either

urban flax
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A player-driven ecosystem can't work

limber hull
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Fish is good AI. Dryo is not

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it has literally worked for as long as I've played the Isle

urban flax
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Once every playable has it's AI equivalent, it's gonna be a much different game, but not necessarily worse

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And Legacy isn't what I'd call "working"

limber hull
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EVERY PLAYABLE

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WHAT

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THE FUCK

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god i wish i didn't know this was happening

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what a disappointment

urban flax
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You know that's what's planned

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Except humans actually
I don't think there will be AI humans

limber hull
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a huge part of the Isle's appeal and identity chucked out the window. Essentially just another Beasts of Bermuda or Path of Titans or whatever the fuck. Food is ample, hunting is unnecessary and player interaction is less important.

feral solstice
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I mean you’re still going to have to hunt

limber hull
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im actually really upset about this. The player hunting player was what made me like the game so much, I literally got upset at one point because I realised that a dryo I saw was just a stupid AI and thus was free walking food. No fun or challenge involved, no player interaction, just the game handing me pity food.

feral solstice
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AI isn’t going to be plain and simple like one might think

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You will actually wear off the resources

limber hull
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Fish is good AI

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dinos aren't

urban flax
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You're just going on the fact that AI is free food because of Legacy
But you know it won't stay like this

limber hull
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let the dinos be players

feral solstice
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But why

urban flax
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That won't make an ecosystem

limber hull
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it takes so much away from the experience when you can't identify if you're against a player or not

feral solstice
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What

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Why’s that a problem?

urban flax
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It takes away from an experience that doens't work anyway

limber hull
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why do you think it doesn't woork

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again, I've seen ecosystems work perfectly fine how they are.

urban flax
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They don't

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Legacy isn't a working ecosystem

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Evrima isn't a working ecosystem

limber hull
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you know saying they don't without any reason doesn't help me identify what your problem is

feral solstice
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Most of legacy was a chat room

limber hull
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also i didn't play legacy. I thought Evirmia had no AI so I played it instead of legacy

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then i figured out the dryos were AI

urban flax
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Do you really believe diets will be applicable if all dinos are players ?

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With 100 players per server on a 20 square kilometer map, without AI it's going to be 99% barren

feral solstice
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I mean I guess

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Diets are just going to space people out so it’s not as easy to find others while promoting actual hunting gameplay

urban flax
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With only players you'll never meet big herds of herbis roaming around
You'll never be able to watch a peaceful giant from the distance
You'll never come across a migrating herd

feral solstice
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So it’s not “okay if I go here, I’ll find x y and z”

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Like, I hate that when I turn a corner there’s like 1 bagilion players in the area

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I like it to where it’s quiet, peaceful, etc. whilst being terrifying and nerve racking at the same time

limber hull
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i think, if you're adding AI, do what you did with fish. No one is a fish. There are no playable fish. You see fish as nothing but dumb AI fodder and that's fine. Dryos however, for other dryos, are seen as allies, whereas they are seen as something to hunt for carnivores (which they do very poorly in the hunting because they literally stand and wait for you to catch up). Either create specific dinos which are MEANT to be nothing more than AI, or create creatures which can only be located doing "x" and clearly are not supposed to be playable.

limber hull
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of stegos and tenos

urban flax
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Because the map is currently 5 square kilometer only
Maybe 4, I don't have the exact values

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And only 25% of that size is actually playable

feral solstice
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Can’t wait for a proper map and actual gameplay

limber hull
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also it's pretty clear that the devs have stated they want a smaller map

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it's literally in their roadmap

urban flax
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They also want a bigger one

feral solstice
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^

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The small map is meant to be a separate map

urban flax
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And the one we have isn't even the biggest

limber hull
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can they add a mode which actually makes the player on player interaction matter, rather than slapping in a bunch of dumbfuck robots to take the space of actual players

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if i want to play against AI dinos, i'll buy ARK

feral solstice
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There’s Spiro so far and the small map (which might be Thenyaw)

urban flax
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If I have one gripe with AI, it's that I'd like it to be recognizable from players if it's your own species because rn it's hard to form a herd of dryos

feral solstice
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Slapping in AI isn’t going to take away that experience, and nor are ai being used to take the place of players

urban flax
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AI can be smart, you know

feral solstice
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And also

urban flax
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You don't realize the many advantages of having more AI than players

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Everyone can play apex
They can play however they want
They can all play carni if they want
And it's never gonna ruin the experience for others

feral solstice
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The pvp interaction is still going to be a thing, and will be stronger than PVA interactions because you’re more likely to find players than AI

urban flax
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There will be no barren places

limber hull
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okay, i like that I HAVE to kill other players to survive, it makes this foodchain all the more engaging when you know that a player is desperate for food, so you have to fight to survive

feral solstice
limber hull
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both sides are trying to live because the other is fucked otherwise

feral solstice
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I wouldn’t recommend EVERYONE being able to play apexes

limber hull
feral solstice
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That’s going to lead towards an ecosystem collapse

urban flax
limber hull
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a game with only players playing apexes?

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fuck no

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i'll dip out

urban flax
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You know herbivores weren't supposed to be playable in the first place ?

hoary dawn
urban flax
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Hell, dinos weren't supposed to be playable at all initially

limber hull
feral solstice
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Apexes should be hard. It shouldn’t be an “ooh, everyone can play them!” Moment; it should be “Oh, I’ve played this game long enough and gained skill + knowledge. Let’s see if I can grow an apex”

hoary dawn
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the isle will still have player v player interaction

feral solstice
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Apexes should require skill to grow fully

urban flax
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If you can't recognize players apart from AI, the thrill is still here
Because everytime you kill an AI, you might be killing a player

limber hull
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yes, so will beasts of bermuda and so will Path of Titans

feral solstice
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Otherwise you’ll see a massive increase in Apexes

feral solstice
limber hull
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however, the Isle loses what makes it stand out from those games

feral solstice
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How is ai going to throw that off

urban flax
feral solstice
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You’ll still be able to interact with others

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You’ll just be able to hunt ai

limber hull
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i literally do not see why you think the Isle does not work

hoary dawn
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i dont think player v player interaction is at all the biggest thing that separates the isle from other dino games

limber hull
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it works fine imo

urban flax
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Deinos everywhere ? Only apexes in legacy ? People running around the map all the time searching for food ? Everyone cannibalizing ? Herbies almost non-existent apart from stegos ?

limber hull
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you just keep saying "the Isle doesn't work" as an argument. Why the fuck play the Isle if you want it to be more like every other dino game, instead of playing every other dino game

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i like the Isle the best because carnivores need to eat other players

urban flax
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Because the Isle has better gameplay, lore and will have humans

limber hull
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it makes their hunger dangerous

urban flax
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Humans is literally the reason I bought the game

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I'd never buy a game that is only a dino simulator

limber hull
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so

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buy ARK

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...

urban flax
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I have Ark

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And it's shit

hoary dawn
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ark is malware

limber hull
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i agree

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i dont want it

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i dont like it

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but it fits your description of the game

hoary dawn
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the isle is by far the best quality dinosaur game there is currently

urban flax
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In Ark, AI is really stupid. There's no player interaction at all (which the Isle will still have even with AI)
Well it does have player interaction but it's garbage

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Ark has lame gameplay
You can't play the dinos

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It also has quite ugly designs

hoary dawn
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its a completely different type of game

urban flax
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The lore and story doesn't interest me

hoary dawn
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ai in the isle will help make the island feel more alive

limber hull
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im glad that the Isle is stepping away from more player interaction, that's really what it needed. Less reasons to hunt others, more difficulty in forming groups because some dinos are fucking mindless robots built to die to bigger dinos, less player agency over the ecosystem because the game goes "it's okay, you can all play T-Rexes, we'll provide all the food you need", but hey, it'll have completely player controlled humans, so we'll end up with another new ARK, with everyone playing together as the cool human classes because dino becomes an easy "farm AI till 100% grown" system.

hoary dawn
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its not stepping away from player interaction

limber hull
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this is literally what it is doing

hoary dawn
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its not tho

urban flax
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Who said AI is BUILT to be food to bigger dinos ?

hoary dawn
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there will still be the same amount of players in any given server

limber hull
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right and a bunch of random AIs who are indistinguishable from people I want to interact with

urban flax
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That's why I said AI of your own species should be somehow distinguishable from players

hoary dawn
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it will be

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it wont be able to talk

urban flax
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That's not really enough
I mean at first glance

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So you don't waste time trying to group with AI only for them to not answer

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But now I see that it can pose a problem with cannibalistic species

hoary dawn
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well i mean if they dont answer after the first couple 2 calls you would assume its either not interested or an ai

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not much time wasted

urban flax
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But that'd still be a big disappointment

limber hull
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I literally do not want to hunt braindead AIs, nor be hunted by AIs, that takes a huge factor of the game away from me.

"Oh hey, it's an AI [dinosaur], I can tell because it does the same thing as every other AI [dinosaur], let's cheese this AI [dinosaur] because after playing so long, it is exceptionally predictable as it does not possess the unpredictable nature of a living, breathing creature with a creative and quick-thinking mind"

urban flax
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You're still using "braindead"

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You gotta put in your head the fact that AI is gonna be smarter than you

limber hull
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literally how

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it's not human, it will use the same tactics every time

urban flax
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  1. Ai are gonna have different personnalities
limber hull
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because it's programmed to

urban flax
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  1. The main thing devs are trying to do with them is making them unpredictable and act like players
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There's games with really unpredictable AI

hoary dawn
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also people are pretty predictable most of the time too

limber hull
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the only upside i can see is that the AI is nowhere on the roadmap and to program that complex of an AI system, based on the AI we see now in the game, it will take literal years before we see that AI, which is great because by that time I can move on to a new game which actually has player interaction take centre stage, rather than a "fun possibility" when most of the server population is AI

last lily
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AI will add a level of detail and life to the environment that players would NEVER be able to fufill, such as fish, small game, insects, lizards ,small fliers that are too tiny or inconsequential to warrant being playable, and even large sauropods(since the Devs don't seem to want to make the really big ones playable on officials, but toggle-able server wise).

That and they add support for the smaller dinosaurs(juveniles), and should in theory be unable to support the larger animals. It's NOT that hard of a concept to grasp. You're making AI out to be a far bigger issue than it actually is, and thinking it'll end up like Ark when it won't at all. AI is nothing more but a net benefit to the game and helps with immersion so that the environments feel less dead and lifeless.

Additionally AI can provide additional threats if done right(critters in the woods who will be more than happy to hunt you down, and make AFKING far more difficult to do. Look at games that have a Director system, where the game gives the AI a general direction of your location, and sends it your way.

The lifeless environments and tendency for players to AFK can help be dealt with by AI, and guess what? It can help create more incentive to actually explore the damn map and move around some more while still having threats and something to do(one major issue with why players don't move a lot is also in relation to water sources).

hoary dawn
limber hull
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such as fish, small game, insects, small fliers that are too tiny or inconsequential to warrant being playable

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that's good

hoary dawn
limber hull
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i like that as an AI

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what the fuck

urban flax
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This is literally "dumb AI that is meant to be food to bigger things" that you seem to hate so much tho

hoary dawn
limber hull
# urban flax This is literally "dumb AI that is meant to be food to bigger things" that you s...

yes, but you need to be a specific dino type to enjoy that. Piscivores, insectivores, etc. This small inconsequential food would feed either growing babies on their lonesome or be the primary diet for a dino, in exchange for his PvP power. You can also immediately tell that these insignificant little creatures are not players, and are just there to satiate you till you need bigger prey, in which you hunt the bigger boys, of which you know are players

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there is zero confusion and it adds more varied dinos to the game

urban flax
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So this is it
You just want AI as long as it contributes nothing to the gameplay and is not a challenge

limber hull
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well, yes. absolutely it

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players should be doing that

urban flax
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They won't

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The Isle is meant to be an ecosystem. In real life, you need 50-100 times the amount of prey compared to predators to sustain an ecosystem. Since this is a game and growth times are extremely short, this can be lowered to 3 times the amount of herbies(prey) compared to carnis (predators). We can't get players to play 3/4 herbi, so we need the server to be able to sustain the ecosystem whatever the players choose. Also, from what I've heard, it was originally intended for players to only be able to play carnis. Devs have decided to make herbis playable too, and it's a good thing, but servers shouldn't rely on people playing herbi to work. Carnivore AI in this case is only here to keep everyone on their toes and remedy for the potential lack of carnivore players in certain areas.

limber hull
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they already do. Carnos, deinos and utahs all become hungry and will quickly rush to feed on whatever they can find. You know the carno in pursuit is a player, and you know he's gonna fuck you up if he reaches you because he is hungry.

I don't know what severs you play on to think so lowly of the players that you think they do not sufficiently push the gameplay forward, but in my experience, the players do a damn fine job of applying pressure constantly, be it me hunting for food or running for my life

urban flax
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And AI wouldn't ?
You think an AI carno chasing you ouldn't kill and eat you if it catches up to you ?

hoary dawn
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players wont be playing carno all the time

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there wont always be player controlled threats

limber hull
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i like the player controlled threats. Not too chuffed about the whole AI T-Rex thing but

last lily
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I personally think that, even with those small AI, they can serve as practice for players to learn how their dinosaurs work, and as such: they should be tricky. Ei: small lizard that's good for small utahs, carnos and what not? Well gotta catch the little bastard first, and they can easily disappear into bushes, outturn you, and climb around the environment. Small pterosaurs? Gotta try and snatch them first, or wait till they come down to eat the insects or get water(way to help players build patience or a good way for players to learn how to pounce as a baby utah or charge as a carno. Practice and something to do learn while your dinosaur grows and will have to move onto bigger and badder things in order to sustain itself.

That's one issue I have with fish at the moment: they're too damn easy to catch.. It'd be nice to have fish that can eat or hunt baby Deino's though.. Imagine seeing a poor baby Ptera end up in the water and be swallowed whole by a 20 ft long fish, that can also escape adult Deino's(but that'd require changes to the map design regarding water... personally I'd also maybe mess around with their despawn rate so that if you fuck up, you can't just keep chasing them for eternity)

urban flax
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Yes, fish AI is currently too dumb
I'm not even sure it can be considered AI

limber hull
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Fish should be quick in the water and not beach itself just because

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lmao

urban flax
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ofc it should eat tiny deinos
You gotta have something to fear

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You're stuck with the mindset that AI is supposed to be free food
Which isn't the case

limber hull
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I think beipia could easily be a prime threat to baby deinos tho

hoary dawn
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i like ai more as a "there might not always be people playing as x so here's some x ai to fill in and add that extra bit of life"

last lily
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Now ya'll got me wanting to draw a Baby Deino sliced in half because it thought it could attack a giant sawfish and win.

limber hull
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adult beipia dives in, baby deino spotted, makes short work with powerful claws, eats baby deino

hoary dawn
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like in any given server there might not be any ovi or large carnivore players on so herbivore nesting is easy and boring, to combat this you add ovi and large carnivore ai so they can provide the threats that players could but aren't

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also since carnivores are gonna have a preferred prey item it'd be nice to not have to pray to dondi that someone is playing as your specific prey when you choose to grow a carni, with ai you dont have to depend on players to give you that part of the game

golden beacon
limber hull
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i mean

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that's what it is

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that's how it's described

golden beacon
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Its a herbi right? Still gonna eat the babies

urban flax
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I think beipi will be omni

hoary dawn
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yea beipi is omni

golden beacon
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Oh even better

limber hull
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yee

golden beacon
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Beipi vs minmi

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We doing it

hoary dawn
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minmi would stomp beipi into the ground

golden beacon
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Idk about that but we will see TI_Troll

limber hull
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gonna be honest

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forgot what a minmi is

urban flax
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A tiny anky

golden beacon
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Aqua anky

hoary dawn
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the chad

golden beacon
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Nah herra is the chad

hoary dawn
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true

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herra and troodon are the best

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the top of the top

golden beacon
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Get outta here Allosaurus Troodon and Herra are here

limber hull
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i still want troodon

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poison goblin lizard is best dino

hoary dawn
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i really wanna see how they tackle the mimicking

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i hope its something like you have to have heard a noise to be able to mimic it

coral grotto
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i want to sound like a ptera and lure in the others

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then nip

golden beacon
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I wanna sound like a herra as a herra i really wanna play herra lol

still sinew
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@open imp something tells me that it's not gonna take stam to be still -- it doesn't take stam just to glide as a ptera, or float as a deino, or be still as any other creature.

open imp
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Truetrue but still a but worried about it, ya never know. I mean I dont think most tree climbing animals can sit on the side of a tree forever

still sinew
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Bats don't just fall off the ceiling, squirrels don't just fall off trees, birds don't just fall off branches - animals that evolve to be amazingly good at a specific thing - tend to do it relatively effortlessly... (relatively).

junior crow
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@snow meadow you might want to specify a bit more on what you mean by the air meter needing to be updated for aquatics/semis

urban flax
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It would be fun seeing herras just falling down trees because they ran out of stamina tho

golden beacon
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Yeah lol

still sinew
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ngl would be funny - like the way ptera hit trees while flying

golden beacon
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We gonna be dropping from the trees like its nothing

still sinew
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bettin even if it doesn't take stam to STAY in the tree if a player accidently let goo - woops

limber hull
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just imagine walking into a forest when herra is released with some teno mates
"you think there are any herras in here?"
multiple thumps and pained shrieks can be heard in the distance
"yes"

golden beacon
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I mean it can probably sit in a tree as it shows in the concept

still sinew
golden beacon
urban flax
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Imagine you casually walk into the forest, then you see a herra crash on the ground right next to you and die

limber hull
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"oh"

golden beacon
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"Some tasty chicken here"

limber hull
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casually drags away herra corpse from forest

golden beacon
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Cant wait to kills things as herra it will be like ground ptera

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And beipi is semi aquatic ptera

urban flax
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Everything is a ptera if you think about it

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Dryo is herbivore ptera

still sinew
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Lol ground pterea - so useless and does liek no damage xD

golden beacon
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If it can kill babies its a ptera

still sinew
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oof

limber hull
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tree ptera, aquatic ptera, herbivore ptera, ground ptera, sky ptera

still sinew
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what

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the last one xD

golden beacon
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Quetz is actually hypo ptera

still sinew
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stop -- go home

limber hull
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sky ptera is just ptera again

golden beacon
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Ptera ptera

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Well i cant wait for big packs of herras they might rival Troodon and maybe utah

limber hull
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troodon is poison ptera btw

urban flax
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I can't wait to scream "They're in the trees !!!" as a merc

golden beacon
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XD

still sinew
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alright Wave where are your parents - I'm getting your parents

urban flax
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(Mercs are pteras with guns btw)

still sinew
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you too bub

golden beacon
limber hull
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i can't wait to say "ugh, fucking poison goblins, get off" then shoot a troodon in the head, killing them instantly and then moving on with mild annoyance

still sinew
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venom btw

golden beacon
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Good luck shooting a spino, it will nom on you

still sinew
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you bit it and you die - poisonous
it bite you and you die - venomous xD

golden beacon
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Man sucho is gonna bully all the mid tiers

still sinew
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only if sucho gets a majorspeed boost

golden beacon
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Nah it wont hunt them but it can hold its own

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It will be slow on land im guessing but faster than deino on land

still sinew
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is it gonna be a bully or just hold it's own?

urban flax
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Considering stegos are bullies
It will probably be a bully

still sinew
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yee

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everything is a bully depending on the player hmmm

golden beacon
still sinew
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dood carno bullies deino - easily

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if it even has a modicum of a higher attack - deino is hekked xD

dire ridge
fading fjord
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Carnos bully "bad" Deinos?TI_Wheeze

still sinew
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lol see deino struggle bug against carnos all the time - it's usually a bad time for the deino

junior crow
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it depends really, if you have a group of organized carnos against one deino that isn't in deep enough water or on land all you have to do is bait out the alt bites. When it alt bites one direction you have a packmate hit it in the opposite direction, rinse and repeat.

still sinew
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I mean yeah - deino are easy to kill imho

fading fjord
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Bad Deinos

still sinew
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surprisingly squishy - if you will xD

fading fjord
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Deino can kill carno in 1 move.

still sinew
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oh yeah?

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bet

junior crow
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he's referring to the lunge I believe

fading fjord
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Yup

still sinew
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well either everyone is "bad" at deino - or deino bad TI_Pathetic

junior crow
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I actually am going to write an intensive deino feedback doc soon, which is going to cover stuff like this.

still sinew
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noice

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got a tldr?

junior crow
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uhhh well its going to discuss spawn points, the map itself and how it affects deino, the way lunge works and what could be changed to make it less of oh well I'm dead now mechanic, I might touch on Deino's bite force a bit too, fish spawns, and competition maybe?

still sinew
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Kool - look forward to it then

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Oh hey I've noticed a lot of people hard core hating on having a global chat and like the old grouping system back - is there like a reason?

static niche
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fOr ThE hOrRoR aSpEcT

still sinew
#

for real? TI_LUL

static niche
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yup

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complete disregard for community-type servers

still sinew
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I heard once someone said the old grouping method was "archaic" as well

fading fjord
still sinew
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sure man okay

static niche
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the old grouping method was better imo

still sinew
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don't say that too loud -- a LOT of people get tilted over it.

static niche
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lmaoooo

fading fjord
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And most servers atm are not good in terms of performance, so its kinda hard to judge certain stuff.

static niche
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because the game is so fucking unoptimized

fading fjord
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I have found good servers

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Its not the game imo.

still sinew
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bet

fading fjord
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The issue is not the game

still sinew
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sure man.

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flawless game - absolutely no issues

worn pumice
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gonna keep it 100%

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game is terribly optimized

still sinew
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naw you heard them -- the issue is NOT the game

hybrid matrix
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@barren zephyr i know why u think this is what'd happen, but it isn't

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that's how it works with planes, sure

worn pumice
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hope they release hot fixes with some ptimization things in them

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also i rly hope they hire a dedicated net coder

hybrid matrix
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but not with birds or flying animals

worn pumice
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wow the lag has been terrible on some servers

golden beacon
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Well people hating but what do you expect the game is far from done and devs are working on it

barren zephyr
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Idek I was just thinking about it last night and was wondering about it xD

silver blaze
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@lapis tree pachyrhino

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Is going to fill that niche so

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Personally would love to see Penta though

golden beacon
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Nah pachyrhino OP

worn pumice
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pachy is a neat addition

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and also unique when it comes to ceratopsians

golden beacon
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Theres 2 pachys dude

worn pumice
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im talking about pachy

junior crow
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pachyrhino?

worn pumice
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pachy

golden beacon
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Bruh

hybrid matrix
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I love penta

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so thats why i put the TI_Think reaction

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i want it in but i think thats only bc of my personal feelings and not bc of wut it'd bring to the game

silver blaze
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Penta is rlly cool I would be nice if it got added but I don't think it ever will

worn pumice
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pachy tho

hybrid matrix
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yeah :(

hybrid matrix
worn pumice
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amen

hybrid matrix
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honestly i think that penta would perfectly fill the role of waterbuffalo

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penta is waterbuffalo, trike is bison, taco is porcupine, proto is something related to goats, ava is boar, dibble is a ram(??)

junior crow
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wouldn't pachyrhino be a ram?

worn pumice
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well basically yea

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actually mountain goat niche for pachyrhino?

hybrid matrix
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yeah i couldnt think of anything for dibble

worn pumice
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dibble is well

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idk

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mini trike?

hybrid matrix
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dibble is dibble

silver blaze
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Dibble might just be fodder cause downsize

hybrid matrix
#

dibble is potat

silver blaze
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Yes

worn pumice
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not rly its in a perfect place to kill an allo

silver blaze
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It's smaller now so not really

hybrid matrix
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maybe dibble could be like a heavy gazelle

silver blaze
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Dibble in legacy is scary at least in non alt turn servers

worn pumice
hybrid matrix
silver blaze
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Yeah carno is more it's match it's too small to take allo now

worn pumice
silver blaze
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Allo is like a ton heavier then carno too

hybrid matrix
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also

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i thought dibble was also that large

worn pumice
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it rly isnt tho with its frill and horns it can do it

silver blaze
hybrid matrix
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oh

worn pumice
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otherwise ur gonna need it to outspeed allo

hybrid matrix
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OHH

worn pumice
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gl with it outspeeding an allo

hybrid matrix
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its the same size, its just skinnier

silver blaze
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No it's smaller for usre

hybrid matrix
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when i say size just assume i mean surface area

worn pumice
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kentro has the same issue

silver blaze
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It has its spikes tho

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Dibbles horns are small

hybrid matrix
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its the same height and length as legacy, but its not as heavy

worn pumice
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and diablo has a frill

hybrid matrix
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dibble could be a gazelle

silver blaze
worn pumice
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lmao a gazelle

hybrid matrix
worn pumice
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idk

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sounds silly

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makes no sense

hybrid matrix
worn pumice
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its more wildebeest-ish maybe buffalo-ish

silver blaze
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Looks so to me

worn pumice
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diablo size isnt changing

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just its weight

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so it isnt 3 tons

hybrid matrix
worn pumice
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honestly modern animals dont go into dinosaurs very well

silver blaze
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Warthog dibble?

worn pumice
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also i still need diablo to defend itself from an allo

silver blaze
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It won't

hybrid matrix
silver blaze
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It's too small now

worn pumice
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ok gl with it being fodder then

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highly doubt it'll out run it

silver blaze
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It's like magy now lol

hybrid matrix
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maybe dibble can hide from allo

worn pumice
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i dont get the issue lol

hybrid matrix
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im starting to become autocorrect

worn pumice
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u make it seem like its 5 inches long

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its in the perfect place to stab an allo

hybrid matrix
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i just instinctively typed "allow" and not "allo"

worn pumice
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it literally has a frill and horns

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its everything magy wanted to be but failed

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actually cama is everything magy wanted to be

hybrid matrix
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i think theyre gonna make magy like teno

worn pumice
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magy is just so

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like diablo and kentro can both punch up

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if that makes sense

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due to their weapons

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magy doesnt have that option

wintry monolith
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@barren zephyr 1. Carnivore bias learn about it 2. Teno is still playeble and dryo to lol same for hypsi, just because it cant stand in a fight dosent mean it not fun espsialy with diets and nesting comming soon, this game is still in a beta 3. ReAliSM is not a thing the isle striving for, it wants to be a well ballenced, dino horror survival game

static niche
limber hull
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i disagree that hypsi and dryo are fine hoow they are

static niche
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They deserve a good tweak to make them a little more viable, but that’s it I believe.

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Hunting a Hypsi feels like hunting AI

desert rain
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why would u even want to play hypsi longer than 1 hour

static niche
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Some people just prefer to play passively I suppose.

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Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be viable at all.

wintry monolith
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I have evade carnos and utahs with spit and survived the tracking down

wintry monolith
limber hull
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what the hell

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why do you want them unplayabble

static niche
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It takes a good minute to aim spit, and most users say it’s too difficult to use.

hybrid matrix
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theyre disagreeing with a suggestion

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and in the suggestion, it said that hypsi and dryo are unplayable

static niche
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You’re honestly not wrong lmao

hybrid matrix
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when people say realism, they mean stupid shit like dinosaur designs and such.
Isla Nycta and other realism servers have rules to govern "realistic" behaviors

wintry monolith
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ruin the game? A nearly only carnivore system would just make carni vs carni combat more usefull

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more frequent

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im tierd

static niche
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I don’t see The Isle being a genuine horror game. It just doesn’t have that feel.

limber hull
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i agree that the game should absolutely not cater to the carnivore bias, if anything focus on making the herbivores as engaging than their carnivore rivals.

I don't agree that all herbis are fun to play, hypsi and dryo are so shallow and weak that teno and stego are really the only two worth playing, and even then stego really has to rely on ONE attack, and that's it

I believe horror and realism should both play a part

hybrid matrix
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ok hang on

static niche
hybrid matrix
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realism as in what?

limber hull
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i like the concept of fearing the big bad monsters

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that's cool

hybrid matrix
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there are a lot of different interpretations to realism

wintry monolith
limber hull
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i disagree with you proposing that herbis should not be playable, or at least a large amount of herbis

wintry monolith
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no???

urban flax
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People will always be more attracted to playing carnivores, no matter what you do
Because of the thrill of the hunt
It's human nature

static niche
limber hull
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some people enjoy the thrill of being hunted

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don't take that away

swift dew
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@lapis tree please, no more ceratopsians, we are already getting 7. we do not need more

static niche
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7?

hybrid matrix
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i feel like we all misunderstood this

urban flax
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I didn't say no one enjoyed playing herbi or being hunted

swift dew
hybrid matrix
wintry monolith
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i still enjoy nesting as a trike galli or wahtere but i usaly play an carni because i like them

static niche
#

oog

urban flax
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But when you get on character selection screen, and you have to choose between carnivore or herbivore, the choice is basically "hunt or don't hunt"

hybrid matrix
wintry monolith
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cant defend your point so...

urban flax
hybrid matrix
limber hull
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im still on the side of increasing the amount of AI takes key features away from the game, I know people don't agree, but imo I think the reason no one plays herbis is not because people naturally want to be carnivores, i think it's because herbivores provide less unique mechanics than the carnivores, so even trying out herbivores feels shitty compared to carnivore

wintry monolith
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you dont get my point

hybrid matrix
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honestly i think that herbivore ai is a bandaid
but all it fixes is server balance

limber hull
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what's the point of playing dryo if your one move is a massively telegraphed shitty dodge, and the hypsi has an acid that's literally worse to use than not.

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and stego HAS to rely on one single tail swipe spam to win any fight. No unique mechanics outside of that

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teno is the only well designed herbi

hybrid matrix
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SPAM???

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ARE YOU FUCKIN-

wintry monolith
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i think that devs should pour as mush love they do with herbis as carnis but if you would to chose 10 random the isle players most of them would porably chose carnivore

hybrid matrix
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DUDE

honest sparrow
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Spam? As stego?

urban flax
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If there's no herbivore AI you need at least 75% of players to play herbivore unless you like cannibalism

limber hull
hybrid matrix
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IF YOU'RE SPAMMING AS A STEGO THEN YOU DESERVE TO DIE

limber hull
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he kinda blows

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oka

hybrid matrix
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WAVEPOOLE LISTEN TO ME

limber hull
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i mean he dooes not have any other moves

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at all

hybrid matrix
#

TIME YOUR FUCKING ATTACKS

static niche
limber hull
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derptah

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listen to me

swift dew
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stego has 10 tail swings before it runs out of stam and becomes utterly defensless it definitly isnt spam

static niche
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unless a deino is assriding*

limber hull
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im trying to say that he ONLY uses one move

hybrid matrix
limber hull
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he has zero other combat options

wintry monolith
hybrid matrix
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it DOES NOT HAVE TO SPAM IT FOR FUCKS SAKE

limber hull
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okay, sorry, spam was a bad t erm

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jesus

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i meant that he uses it constantly, as in, it's the only move he can use for damage

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not that he spams it in fights literally

wintry monolith
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diets are literly 75% herbi content

static niche
#

Yeah. They wanted to completely trash Anky when Anky realistically is fucking buffed irl

swift dew
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technically it can use a bite

urban flax
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If the vast majority of the playerbase likes realism, then the vast majority of the playerbase should get a refund

hybrid matrix
limber hull
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okay jesus im sorry for one wrong term lmao, my point still stands tho

wintry monolith
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and realism is bullshit, we should make the game more ballenced and have realism as a side i.e feathers and teutonic and nycta like servers

limber hull
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teno is the only herbivore with actual options

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he has like, 4 combat moves

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each with a unique purpose

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stego has one option

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and it's tail

hybrid matrix
#

the only realism that im ok with is realistic behavior
thats it

static niche
urban flax
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Because the Isle was never aimed for realism and with every update it's gonna stray further and further away from the dino sim most people know
I hope so at least

wintry monolith
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damn i kinda dont know how to tell you this but in evrima teutonic and offical have the same numbers

static niche
hybrid matrix
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realistic balance is iffy

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bc realistic balance can and will go places that nobody likes

static niche
#

yes

wintry monolith
hybrid matrix
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like ultra-god-strength deinosuchus

static niche
#

Realistically some dinosaurs weren’t even well equipped for survival

hybrid matrix
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or super strong super slow rex

honest sparrow
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Realistic balance is really really stupid

limber hull
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diets are a good start but they don't fix the fact that hypsi and dryo are literally undermade dinos

hybrid matrix
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yes for the reasons i listed

swift dew
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i dont see the problem with only one attack, carnos charge is a very niche attack that can only be used in certain senarios so its pretty much stuck with a bite, utahs pounce is a little messy sometimes so you might want to stick to bites for alot, but it does have 2. deino spams alt-bite in a fight, its lunge can't really be used in combat. stego only has 1 good attack because of how versatile it is, you can do a crap ton of damage in any direction around you, a good stego is a force to be reckoned with, even with only 10 swings

urban flax
hybrid matrix
#

but no bc u want to have ur balance make sense

wintry monolith
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yeah because irl dryo and hypsi where just evoultion making prototypes for sauropods and pahcy

hybrid matrix
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if it doesnt make sense then u get utahraptors soloing rexes

static niche
#

oog

honest sparrow
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Balance should be focused around... balance and what the devs want each dino to do

static niche
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or utahs 1v2ing rexes even

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sticky utah

wintry monolith
limber hull
swift dew
limber hull
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these other moves are situational but like

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still usable

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oh hypsi just sucks lmao

urban flax
#

Actually
Devs didn't create realism servers
And I'm not talking about dinosaur designs here but the game itself. I would've never bought it if it was only meant to be a realistic dino sim.

limber hull
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same with dryoo

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none of their moves are really

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usabble

static niche
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Deino strat is tanking and spamming alt-bite on land

limber hull
hybrid matrix
#

speaking of which, i think that if larger carnivores (so like acro +) could grab utahs off their backs by biting while bucking and doing a bunch of damage (or lethal damage for the apex trio) then that would discourage raptors from attempting to legacy

limber hull
wintry monolith
#

gore and nights are gona be good step in the horror aspecy

swift dew
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anyway, stego needs only a 5% stam drain on a swing, maybe even less because 10 swings and your completely defenseless is dumb

static niche
hybrid matrix
#

ey buddy people can misinterpret messages
doesnt mean u can call em thick headed

urban flax
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I don't care what players do with their unofficials servers
There's no-kill RP servers on Primal Carnage, that doesn't make it the intended experience

honest sparrow
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I mean if you want to play realistically, that’s fine and all, but accept that the game is heading in another direction, like you said realism servers are common, so you can just play there

wintry monolith
static niche
#

To be fair, server owners should be able to have as many different options and be able to mod their servers as much as possible. It helps keep the game alive, like how minecraft is still extremely popular years after releasing.

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So if server owners want realism, then they should be able to have it

wintry monolith
honest sparrow
hybrid matrix
limber hull
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if a raptor wants to be dumb, let them

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they'll be punished

wintry monolith
#

wiat are one of you saying current pounce is good?

limber hull
#

ew no

static niche
#

Raptors are easy as is right now.

limber hull
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current pounce sucks ass

swift dew
urban flax
limber hull
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pounce is good only against smaller targets

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use it on a big boy and death

wintry monolith
hybrid matrix
limber hull
#

okay what if the T-Rex has a trample tho

wintry monolith
#

and atm the game is punishing you for letting go of a pounce

limber hull
#

then Mr. Raptor is kinda in a bad spot

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also again

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that raptor is nothing more than a mosquito

urban flax
limber hull
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who cares

static niche
#

Yeah, that’s raptors whole concept. Pouncing and taking down bigger prey in groups.

limber hull
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the single raptor will not take you down

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it's not strong enough

wintry monolith
#

the curent recover thing is dog shit becuase a denio gets 2 bites on you if you pounce it

hybrid matrix
limber hull
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the recover shit is horrible

hybrid matrix
#

multiple raptors pouncing a single target is hell tho

limber hull
#

raptor is terrible with the "group up pounce to kill" since his pounce leaves him so vulnerable

swift dew
#

utah in theory is really good, in packs it takes down prey much larger than itself, and solo it takes out small prey, its only issue is that it is squishy. but that is necessary

hybrid matrix
#

2 raptors can bring a fully grown deinosuchus to about 80% health

limber hull
#

that's

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really not that much

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80% health is still a lot

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that means they did like 20% damage

hybrid matrix
limber hull
#

okay that's 800 damage per raptor

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so he can kill dryos

hybrid matrix
#

if deinosuchus weighs 8 tons
how much is rex gonna have to weigh for a utahraptor to be a mosquito?

limber hull
#

and hypsis

swift dew
hybrid matrix
digital palm
#

my game shows no severs are up does anyone know how to fix that

urban flax
hybrid matrix
urban flax
#

Oh well
I think a 9 tons rex can easily shrug 2 raptors off

limber hull
#

those raptors are also getting bites to the head, as that deino is low to the ground

wintry monolith
hybrid matrix
dire peak
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:TI_emoji:

limber hull
#

a rex, however, would not be receiving headshots from a raptor nearly as much

wintry monolith
#

when game is done

carmine path
urban flax
#

What would be nice would be for big dinos to get area damage on their attacks
So a rex could kill a few raptors in one bite if they're too close to each other

dire peak
#

dondismile

urban flax
#

And not have the bite be cancelled by the small hypsi that stood between it and its target

hybrid matrix
#

but anyway

wintry monolith
hybrid matrix
#

we were discussing apexes grabbing raptors off their backs

urban flax
#

Maybe they can just have super-efficient bucking

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btw I thought of something about bucking
It would be to straight out remove bucking, but increase mounted dinos' stamina drain depending on your actions

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Like a teno kicking would drain as much stmaina for pouncing raptors as current bucking

static niche
#

How would a Trex buck? That’s an odd thing to imagine

urban flax
#

And stego could get its bucking anim transferred to a jump

hybrid matrix
#

A StEGoS AURUS

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JUMPIng????!/

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!

#

d

urban flax
#

no

hybrid matrix
#

my brain jsut

static niche
hybrid matrix
#

waha

wintry monolith
urban flax
#

When you press jump with stego
It does something similar to its current bucking anim

hybrid matrix
wintry monolith
static niche
#

@broken monolith What do you mean by your suggestion

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I’m sure they can survive, I’ve seen them take hits from baby utah’s

broken monolith