general-feedback-discussion

[kindred flare]

about 2 hours ago

[keen vapor]

I need to see that with my own eyes

You need to rephrace your suggestion since it sounds like you WANT it to only be able to hit 10 times

[kindred flare]

yeah, i was kinda rushing to go, i had soccer training

[craggy terrace]

I know im very late, but in my opinion beipi should be faster than deino, mostly because they are smaller and more agile (water resistance and such). It will be balanced as beipi will mostly stay close to water, because of food and a quick getaway from predators on land, where deinos will be able to ambush them. As for the sensing movement in water, deino should have the advantage. That will make beipi more alert while in water and on land, creating more active gameplay, while giving deino the chance to get close to prey that is faster than them.

[barren zephyr]

@ashen elm imo stegosaurs should also be able to eat palms

they are not too dissimilar to cycads when it comes to general toughness, and the current map has low growing fan palms

[ashen elm]

Hmm good point, I don't mind them eating palms too, though I'd probably list them as a secondary food since they are pretty (too) common on the island

[barren zephyr]

@charred fractal

nah thats silly

try hitting your teamates less

[golden beacon]

If you are hunting you should be spaced out so you can attack from all angles not bunched up

[urban flax]

@barren zephyr 2 minutes of running on two legs ? Do you realize how long that is ?

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

eh, felt like 1 minute was too short

[urban flax]

1 minute is already way too long

Deino's speed bost is 2 seconds

[barren zephyr]

Magy isnt deino

[urban flax]

It isn't made for running on two legs either

[barren zephyr]

Well we dont know that

[glad dirge]

I dont enjoy the look of the 2 legged magy run

[urban flax]

It's quadrupedal. Therefore it's not meant to be running on 2 legs. Because it's meant to run on 4 legs.

[barren zephyr]

Well what do you guys think of the idea besides the two leg run?

[urban flax]

The attacks seem fine, except for the stomp

[barren zephyr]

baby sauropods could run on their hind legs

[urban flax]

Magy seems a little to small to do 1000 damage with a stomp

[barren zephyr]

Super high start up lag

[solar peak]

dio I think 350kg is a little to much to pick things up

[urban flax]

I know
But that's not what they're made for
Plus magy isn't a baby sauropod

[barren zephyr]

things under 350kg are built pretty skinny

[urban flax]

1000 is the damage of a stego thagomizer
There's no way a stomping magy could deal as much damage

[barren zephyr]

like austro is 320kg, which seems like a lot until you see our austro and realize its a twig

then it makes sense that magy can pick it up

[urban flax]

I don't know about the size and growth values, tho, how much does tenonto weighs ?

[barren zephyr]

It's a highly committal attack

[solar peak]

that's not the only thing that matters, for example, I don't think magy could pick up austro with it's mouth lol

[barren zephyr]

1.6 tons

[solar peak]

austro light blue magy brown

[urban flax]

That's not an excuse. A carno can't charge it's bite to deal 2000 damage.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but magy isnt carno

it isnt stomping to kill things

its defending itself

[urban flax]

You don't understand the correlation

[barren zephyr]

And because of the high start up lag, it wont be hunting

[urban flax]

Being a "high commitment attack" doesn't justify for it to deal that much more damage than what the animal could normally do

It's not a problem of hunting

[barren zephyr]

It does though

[urban flax]

It's a problem of making sense

[glad dirge]

How much does magy weigh?

[barren zephyr]

thats what a high commitment attack normally does

[barren zephyr]

I'm assuming its 1.3 tons

thats around the weight of IRL magy, they could upsize it though

[urban flax]

Charged attacks in games (For Honor is a good example) are completely stupid. You don't deal more damage because you held your weapon up for longer.

[barren zephyr]

So magy rearing back and putting all that weight on something wouldnt hurt?

[urban flax]

Magy just can't deal 1000 damage with one stomp.

[solar peak]

I think 1k dmg might be too much, but smth around 900 would be ok, it depends on the balance tho, 1k seems reasonable too since magy will be pushing something with all it's weight, not smacking with tail like stego

[barren zephyr]

I could swap the damage for around 500 and let it deal 1000 with headshots

[urban flax]

It can deal high fracture, it can do crowd control, but it can't deal 1000 damage.

[barren zephyr]

and give it a bit of fractures instead

Eh sure

That works fine

[urban flax]

That'd be much better

[glad dirge]

1000 raw dmg is too much for a magy stomp

[urban flax]

Oh and also
You said in your suggestion that Teno could fight allo
Which is extremely unlikely

[normal topaz]

That's not so much "Charging an attack" as much as it is getting as much momentum as possible. Like the power of the attack isn't based on how long you hold it up, if anything holding up for a longer amount of time would only make your arms tired.

[glad dirge]

Aren't allos gonna be hunting stegos?

[solar peak]

probably

[urban flax]

Allo might be hunting sauropods
Not only magy

[glad dirge]

It should absolutely curbstomp tenos

[barren zephyr]

it could

I can see it happening

Like it would be a possible fight

[glad dirge]

The fight wouldn't be very long

[urban flax]

Allo is twice the size of carno

[barren zephyr]

yeah

and teno is a brawler

[solar peak]

@barren zephyr I think 350 kg is way too much, considering sizes of creatures with this weight it just seems weird

[urban flax]

Carno is 50/50 against teno

[barren zephyr]

not really

one tail slam and carno has to dip

[glad dirge]

Well solo carno is like 40/60

[barren zephyr]

same could happen for allo

[solar peak]

even herrera who weight 175kg seems unreasonable

[urban flax]

No because it's too big

[carmine path]

Pretty easy to kill tenos if your not stupid and go directly towards to tail

[barren zephyr]

wdym?

[urban flax]

Allo is too big to be stunned by a teno tail slam

It's not a glavenus

[carmine path]

Just silence

[glad dirge]

Actually you can run up into their ass and spam bite their head without taking head/body dmg

[barren zephyr]

hm, how does tail slam work?

I thought things bigger then teno got a stun?

[urban flax]

Depends on the size

[glad dirge]

It won't be as dramatic as it is with carno

If there is a stun

[barren zephyr]

well can teno stun a 2.7 ton stego/deino?

Pretty sure it can

[urban flax]

I can tell you 100% that a teno won't stun a rex

[normal topaz]

Jumping in on the "probable Magyarosaurus weights," it's about the same size as a Hippopotamus. Hippos weigh over a ton.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah of course

[carmine path]

How the hell would that work

[barren zephyr]

but it can likely tail slam allo

[swift dew]

ideally it isnt, a solo carno (eventually) should stand zero chance against a competent teno. I really want to push the "carno is a small game hunter thing" though a pair of carnos can give a solo teno a run for its money. (that is just my oppinion and I can see why you would disagree)

[barren zephyr]

alt + rmb

[carmine path]

You know damn well that wasn’t my point

[barren zephyr]

what was your point

[glad dirge]

I love the idea of squishing carno down to its small game hunter

[urban flax]

Yeah I agree, but right now balances makes it that teno requires some skill to be able to beat a carno

[barren zephyr]

So what does that have to do with teno being able to fight allo?

[carmine path]

How are things increasingly bigger than teno going to get a stun

[barren zephyr]

Cause to me it seems possible

[barren zephyr]

just tail slam them

2.7 ton deino already gets stunned by teno I'm pretty sure

[glad dirge]

If it does get a stun it should be minimal

[carmine path]

Bro that doesn’t make sense

[barren zephyr]

it does

its a weight dependent attack

of course it depends on weight

[glad dirge]

Deino has like a half a second stun when slammed in the head

[barren zephyr]

thats enough for teno to deal decent damage to alllo

[carmine path]

Why would heavier dino be affected more by a little one

[barren zephyr]

was it full grown?

[glad dirge]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

???? because a tail slam hurts?

stop the legacy logic of "big = better"

[carmine path]

That makes 0 fucking sense

[swift dew]

i mean, if something that weighed 1/8 the weight of me slapped me with a tail nearly the half the length of my body, I would get pretty stunned

[urban flax]

This is completely illogical

[barren zephyr]

if you get stabbed by a midget you wont go "oh well hes smaller then me so I'm fine"

[carmine path]

He has a fucking knife

Of course its gonna hurt

[glad dirge]

[barren zephyr]

And teno has a massive tail

[carmine path]

Which is an extension of its body

[urban flax]

Not massive enough to get the upper hand against an allo though

[barren zephyr]

that it can and has been shown to use to wack the shit out of things and stun them

why would it not effect allo?

[urban flax]

It might be able to lightly stun or stagger it, but surely not beat it

[barren zephyr]

"allo is bigger" well I didnt know weight somehow protected allos head

[spring dome]

@still sinew AWESOME suggestion!!!!

[limber hull]

@still sinew that's actually really cool idea, i'd assume you could cancel it the same way as a hypsi too?

[carmine path]

Dio your saying the bigger the dino the better the stun which makes 0 fucking sense

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say that

or didnt mean to

The bigger the dino, the less effective it is

[carmine path]

😑 ima have a fucking stroke

[urban flax]

Reread your messages, it's literally what you looked like to be implying

[glad dirge]

Teno shouldn't be able to stun an allo unless it's not full adult

[barren zephyr]

I didnt mean to imply

[barren zephyr]

full adult teno or allo?

[swift dew]

to be fair teeth are an extention of the body and they do the same things as knifes which you had already said hurt even if used by something smaller

[urban flax]

Then you should care more about what you write and what other people tell you

[carmine path]

Bite force would be my answer to that

[barren zephyr]

Huh

do tails not hurt?

Pyro if a komodo dragon tail whipped you would it hurt?

[glad dirge]

Tails hurt, but not to something like 2 times the size of you

[barren zephyr]

Why does weight matter?

Weight doesnt somehow protect allos head

that makes no sense

[urban flax]

Pyro is probably not twice the weight of a komodo dragon

[carmine path]

That’s quite different...

[barren zephyr]

you still get my point

[glad dirge]

If it's bigger, it can take more shit because it's bigger and stronger and has more mass

[urban flax]

It's kinda invalidated though

[barren zephyr]

if the komodo dragon was lets say 10 kg but its tail was still just as strong it would still hurt

would it not?

Cause thats what you guys are saying

[urban flax]

It can't be as strong if the komodo dragon is 10 kg...

[barren zephyr]

its a hypothetical

[still sinew]

Yeah any aimable move should have a cancel.

[urban flax]

Yes but it's impossible

[barren zephyr]

and nothing protecting its head

so that mass doesnt really matter

[swift dew]

from a game and realife standpoint teno stunning deino to anything except the face doesn't make sense. but if a teno brings down its tail into a deinos face then it will be dazed and confused, which translates into the game with a stun

[urban flax]

We're talking basic physics at this point

[carmine path]

A tail as strong as a big ass komodo dragon. I would say yes it would hurt for logical reasons.

[barren zephyr]

Ok, so you're admitting you're wrong

teno has a tail even bigger

[carmine path]

No im admitting you’re wrong

[urban flax]

Strenghth of impact depends of speed of weight of an element.
So if a komodo dragon weighs 10 kg, it's tail would be 15% as powerful.

[limber hull]

that sounds great. I practically have to use leap as a very upclose melee move as any further than point blank is essentially a miss

[worn pumice]

with fractures this might happen

[barren zephyr]

Tenos tail is bigger then a komdos and has been shown to stun 8 ton alligators

why wouldnt it stun allo

[carmine path]

You said a tail just a strong as a big komodo but on a 10kg Komodo

[barren zephyr]

and

you agreed that it would hurt

[carmine path]

Because it is has the tail power of a big komodo

[barren zephyr]

and the difference between allo/teno in size is way smaller then the hypothetical I used

[barren zephyr]

And teno has the tail power of a teno

what is your point here

[carmine path]

Htf does that make sense to you

[barren zephyr]

if teno can stun deino, it can stun allloo.

[still sinew]

EXACTLY THIS -- or I'll just jump and then pounce attack, but still so easy to whiff

[glad dirge]

If teno were to stun allo it would be very minor and not as dramatic as carno. It should still be able to overtake the teno

[barren zephyr]

Tenos tail can STUN a 8 ton alligator

Why cant it stun allo?

[limber hull]

id hope the yellow indicator line would be there too

[barren zephyr]

Is that not strong enough?

[worn pumice]

im scared to join this convo

[barren zephyr]

Pyro this is like saying a komodo can stun a elephant but not a lion

it doesnt make sense

[urban flax]

The convo is about teno being able to BEAT an allo though... which is still pretty unlikely

[carmine path]

How the hell would a komodo stun a elephant

[worn pumice]

doubt that'll happen

[urban flax]

Cause a 8 ton deino isn't being stunned for long

[barren zephyr]

I already said it wouldnt be common, infact I said teno can TRY to fight allo

[hybrid matrix]

except it isnt, bc an elephant is much MUCH taller than a komodo

[barren zephyr]

neversaid it wins

[barren zephyr]

and allo would be stunned for longer

[glad dirge]

The deino stun is extremely minimal and barely noticeable

[barren zephyr]

its a hypothetical

[urban flax]

Then I'll repeat myself, take more care of how you word things

[hybrid matrix]

still

[worn pumice]

ord

[barren zephyr]

I said in my original post that teno can TRY to fight allo

why would you take it as "yep, teno has a 50/50" with allo

[urban flax]

My keyboard is wacky and it says "fuck you"

[glad dirge]

And it should lose

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

most of the time

[urban flax]

It's quite hot-headed

[worn pumice]

im using laptop so i dont have key board issues anymore

[barren zephyr]

but its a possible fight

[carmine path]

I like that one

[worn pumice]

anything is possible

[barren zephyr]

hypothetical

[worn pumice]

a utah can kill a rex

[barren zephyr]

that isnt comparable

[carmine path]

Get a realistic hypothetical

[barren zephyr]

utah is 500 kg to rexes 8 tons

[worn pumice]

still tho u said its a possible fight

[barren zephyr]

teno is 1.6 tons to allos 2.7 tons

[worn pumice]

anything in game is possible

[barren zephyr]

that isnt that far fetched

[worn pumice]

sayng the weights

makes the match up even worse

[barren zephyr]

by possible I mean it can realistically happen

[worn pumice]

well just word it slightly better

[barren zephyr]

a 1.6 ton guy can beat a 2.7 ton guy

[static niche]

[barren zephyr]

but it isnt likely

[glad dirge]

The amount of biteforce allo should have should be able to put teno out of business pretty quickly tho

[barren zephyr]

My original one worked fine

[barren zephyr]

^

[worn pumice]

remember allo isnt like deino and isnt a slow piece of shit on land

[carmine path]

Dare i say the original was worse

[worn pumice]

ok but i doubt its going to win

[barren zephyr]

never said I didnt doubt it

just said it could happen

[glad dirge]

It shouldn't win

[worn pumice]

anything could happen

thats too generic

[urban flax]

Don't say something can fight something only to say it's unlikely after...

When you say something can fight against something else, that means it has at least a good chance of winning

[barren zephyr]

how to those two things contradict eachother at all?

[worn pumice]

i can say compy could fight a rex even if the chance is .000001%

[barren zephyr]

You can be able to fight something but still not be likely to win

[urban flax]

common sense ? Logic ?

[barren zephyr]

no one uses it like that

[static niche]

what lol

[worn pumice]

exactly confusing right

[urban flax]

You're the only one who doesn't use it like that
Otherwise this debate wouldn't have existed

[worn pumice]

could is way too generic

it needs to be more specific

[glad dirge]

A dryo can fight a utah, but it's not likely to win

[barren zephyr]

You can be able to fight something but still not be likely to win

pretty easy to understand

[swift dew]

you would be surprised

[worn pumice]

well allo should win most of the time end of convo

[barren zephyr]

yea

but teno should have a chance

[carmine path]

Bad utah

[urban flax]

When you're proposing balance ideas, you don't say something can fight something else if it's not a fair match to it. Watch your damn words and use them correctly.

[haughty forge]

If on the roster in a 1v1 you can't escape or tank defend yourself then then balance is not good in my view. For now tenonto and stegos can't hide except by wallowing and going to forest because both utahs and carnos are faster. Then they have to be able to défend themselves, if not what is the point to play a dino that is just a victime? Hypsies and dryos are build to escape because they are small, agile and can crouch. But are still slower than carnos and utahs.

[urban flax]

Dryos are faster than utahs

[barren zephyr]

So you cant go "yea X can fight Y but its in Ys favor"

[haughty forge]

Are they?

[swift dew]

HEY, I thought i played pretty well

[carmine path]

Yes

[worn pumice]

dryos got a speed buff

[carmine path]

You’re joking

[barren zephyr]

most people use the word like that bubulblu

[urban flax]

Still better than saying X can go against Y without further indication

[worn pumice]

their actually god tier in terms of surviving

[swift dew]

and you would be right

[barren zephyr]

I didnt say that

[carmine path]

Ah I was gonna laugh at you

[glad dirge]

But tenos chance against allo is so small tho

[barren zephyr]

teno who could probably at least try to fight a allo

this is HEAVILY implying allo has the advantage

that isnt "yea teno can go against allo"

[carmine path]

Bro you need to get better at wording

[worn pumice]

so end of convo right? what r we arguing about lol

[haughty forge]

Depends if tenonto can escape or fight back

[hybrid matrix]

wait
hold on
teno is like 2 tons, right?

[worn pumice]

teno can escape an allo

1600 kg for teno

1.6 tons

[hybrid matrix]

ah ok

[carmine path]

Every convo we have had with Dio has been a misunderstanding because he words it terribly

[barren zephyr]

buubuublu is saying that you cant say something can fight something else and also be at a disadvantage

[hybrid matrix]

nvm

[swift dew]

1.6, allo is 2.7 both according to nova

[worn pumice]

anything technically can fight something else

[glad dirge]

In a fight, tenos should have little chance against allos

[carmine path]

Compy go brrrrrr

[barren zephyr]

the way I worded it made it clear that its a realistic possible matchup

[worn pumice]

kick it like a football

[barren zephyr]

not a fantasy match like compy vs rex

[worn pumice]

my bad i mean soccer

[carmine path]

Our Velo brothers with avenge us

[worn pumice]

im gonna pull out the gun

[carmine path]

Thou shall not shame thy Americans

[haughty forge]

Yes at least a micro stun that give it 2 seconds do it can start to escape at least like the stun on a deino, not super usefull on a fight but still

[carmine path]

2 sec is a death trap

[worn pumice]

they said with fractures u'll have things like dazing and stuff like that dpending on the location so

[haughty forge]

Too short you think?

[swift dew]

2 seconds is a long time

[carmine path]

Too long

[worn pumice]

id say dont stun the allo but if it tail slam its head it doesnt get stun instead it gets blurry vison for 1-2 seconds

[carmine path]

Fractures are gonna be whack

[worn pumice]

literally

[haughty forge]

How long is the stun on utahs en?

[glad dirge]

I'd rather use my stam to flee instead of risking a bite or grab from stopping

[worn pumice]

like 3-4 seconds

i think

[carmine path]

Enough to kill you since they can stun lock you to death

[worn pumice]

i cant wait till fractures

[glad dirge]

Actually you can pounce out of a stun and throw yourself 40 feet away

[worn pumice]

tenos tail slam when it hits something like a utah is gonna be heavy

[carmine path]

Then get stunned again by the recovery

[worn pumice]

faster then getting up so

[glad dirge]

If you get far away enough you can escape without them having enough time to catch up to you

[carmine path]

That is how escaping works isnt it

[worn pumice]

hot take but pounce should be going as far as it does when ur not moving

increase range of pounce depending on utahs speed

[carmine path]

Momentum be like 🤬

[worn pumice]

magy tail club

lel

[urban flax]

Damn back on magy viability

[worn pumice]

mini anky

[carmine path]

That shit look ugly

[urban flax]

How can people hate a creature so much

[delicate tulip]

Learn to read

[worn pumice]

cuz it sucks

[glad dirge]

Magy meh

[worn pumice]

i already read it

its not a good idea

lol

[carmine path]

It is a midtier sauropod its gonna be hated

[urban flax]

IT'S NOT EVEN IN THE GAME YET DAMMIT

[worn pumice]

its not even mid tier its pseudo mid tier

[chilly slate]

adam that would be too many club tail things

[delicate tulip]

Then you'd know its not the magy, I said change it to being a shuno instead

[chilly slate]

anky, shuno, minmi

[worn pumice]

no

[urban flax]

That's like saying "buff megalania because it can't outrun nor fight against a rex"

[swift dew]

tbh adam alot of those things you listed as ridiculous are not ridiculous at all

[carmine path]

If Cera gangs can kill it, its a midtier

[haughty forge]

Even if I am for being able to escape a pounce I still feel like it is maybe a little bit too risky for few reward to pounce rn. Maybe giving utah a little bit more life so it is not that punishing to fail?

[worn pumice]

they already modeled magy and even have sum animations for it

shuno could be added instead but i doubt it will be

[glad dirge]

Pouncing solo is a death wish

[urban flax]

Minmi doesn't have a club tail

[chilly slate]

oh didn't know that

[delicate tulip]

Like that ridiculous gallop which no sane person could take seriously?

[chilly slate]

galloping is realistic

[carmine path]

How big is minmi and beipi?

[worn pumice]

better then dying on the spot

[urban flax]

It was executed pretty well for something that ridiculous

[chilly slate]

want it running around like a human?

[delicate tulip]

Like hell it is lmao

[urban flax]

It's way better than stego galloping

[worn pumice]

the gallop looked fine to me btw

i dont see the issue

[hybrid matrix]

yeah they did a good job making the gallop look good
which means they worked hard on the gallop

[worn pumice]

stego has a worse gallop

[swift dew]

everyone is talking about magy but it really isnt going to be the thing that needs as crazy abilities as other things, rugops and mono are both going to need some ability that makes them not just bad utahs

[chilly slate]

legit most quadrapedal creatures gallop

bears, cats, dogs

[glad dirge]

I'd rather have the gallop than the fucking 2 legged hooman run

[carmine path]

Good people i need answers

[chilly slate]

lol

[delicate tulip]

It's completely unrealistic, the entire skeletal structure of a sauropod would never allow for a gallop, especially one like that

[worn pumice]

the isle

[glad dirge]

Stego should have elephant run

[chilly slate]

how would they run then

[worn pumice]

video games can exaggerate things luckily

[urban flax]

I love how the second part of Beipi's name is "inexpectus"
Nobody expects beipiaosaurus !

[carmine path]

Pfft and I heard people saying Beipi was gonna dominate Deino Juvis

[swift dew]

i just love my realistic spinosaurus. because realism is what the game is going for right?

[hybrid matrix]

who cares if TI is realistic
and if you wanna talk realism then magy gallop isnt the thing you should be complaining about

[urban flax]

lovely

[worn pumice]

if we wanted to take the running seriously stego would be 7 km/h

lol

[carmine path]

Unrealistic but looks pretty cool

[swift dew]

and my oh so realistic utahraptor. because this is the most realistic dinosaur game

[delicate tulip]

They're bringing up realism lol, hence why I said it wasn't

[worn pumice]

u just talked about how sauropods couldnt gallop becuz of their structure

[urban flax]

It's sarcasm

[worn pumice]

hence why realism things r being brought up

[haughty forge]

A game does have to be realistic, I guess they made it that way so people playing stegos even slow could still enjoy moving wile the other dinos are faster than him. And the map feels pretty big if you are slower.

[worn pumice]

no point in speaking of realism when u have our utah

[hybrid matrix]

you brought up realism by saying that magy gallop is unrealistic you sponge-brained pineapple head

[swift dew]

and our teno, and our spino, and pretty much the entire roster

[urban flax]

Wait guys

[carmine path]

The majority of our dinos are unrealistic

[delicate tulip]

They can make larger herbivores move faster without giving them ridiculous gallops

[worn pumice]

^

[urban flax]

There's a good take about baby carrying in general feedback

Having THE BABY decide if it wants to be carried or not

[worn pumice]

i can agree on bigger herbivores not galloping

[delicate tulip]

Look at elephants ffs, you don't see them galloping like horses

[carmine path]

If we simply ignore him he might just go away

[glad dirge]

Ooh that's new

[urban flax]

Can't work for every species, of course, but can still be neat for some of them without being abusable by the parents

[hybrid matrix]

havent ppl thought of this b4?

[worn pumice]

stego running like an elephant would be much better

[carmine path]

Yea

[urban flax]

Idk, I don't remember ever seeing this

[hybrid matrix]

i dont mean baby carrying in general
i mean letting the baby decide if they wanted to be carried

[swift dew]

and magy gallop is definitly not the weirdest thing in this game

[delicate tulip]

If magys gonna run, then an elephants locomotion should be the reference to use, not a damn horse

[carmine path]

Yes

[chilly slate]

So magy would trot fast or something

To run

[haughty forge]

True I am not fan myself for the actual galop of the stego but I guess the animator gave his or her best considering the size of the animal :/

[novel turtle]

the mother can reject babys so they cant abuse it

[worn pumice]

just make it so the child has to be in a grp and gives the other bigger dino permission to pick it up

[delicate tulip]

Basically yeah, it wouldn't look completely ridiculous

[novel turtle]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

so both can reject?
thats even better

[carmine path]

I don’t care about Consensual baby holding I wanna snag that bitch and book it and eat em

[chilly slate]

Alright I can see that

[novel turtle]

yes

[worn pumice]

thats pretty good actually

both r able to accept and reject

and they need to be in a grp

[hybrid matrix]

why do ppl never try to suggest this with baby carrying

i mean

[carmine path]

They do

[hybrid matrix]

ive seen some suggestions about letting the baby decide

but never something as perfect as this

[novel turtle]

i was thinking has to be nested but that can work

[worn pumice]

actually idk about having to be in a grp

[worn pumice]

yea same

was just thinking of that

[hybrid matrix]

rera you should add it to ur suggestion

[chilly slate]

Baby has to agree with being carried and eaten

[novel turtle]

changed to grouped deinos

[hybrid matrix]

no the idea is that the mother has to agree to carrying the kid

sorta like irl with human toddlers

[novel turtle]

yup

[worn pumice]

quetz goes to eat a juvi
the baby rejected ur offer

[novel turtle]

didnt change anything abut excepting

[urban flax]

[worn pumice]

quetz should have the ability to swallow juvis whole

alive or dead

[urban flax]

Or deal enough damage with a peck to oneshot juvis ?

[static niche]

[worn pumice]

or yea it can just one shot it

[hybrid matrix]

make it more detailed
its not rlly clear wut u mean unless u see this discussion

[urban flax]

So it can stay in line with other playables

[worn pumice]

how much dmg would quetz need to do

[hybrid matrix]

?

[urban flax]

Depends on the juvie

[worn pumice]

tru

[chilly slate]

I've seen so many emojis when people say that quetz should be powerful

[urban flax]

It probbably couldn't grab a juvie rex or camara

[hybrid matrix]

yeah its weird

[chilly slate]

It's legit the size of a plane

Like... What

[urban flax]

But I think 200 damage should be enough to get rid of most juvies

[worn pumice]

i mean maybe if they were spawned like a few seconds ago it should be able to

[hybrid matrix]

actually
since quetz came first, planes are the size of quetz

[worn pumice]

like a 5% juvi rex can be eaten pretty easily by a quetz

[carmine path]

Bitch gonna one shot juvis 🤮

[worn pumice]

good i hope it does

[urban flax]

yes

[worn pumice]

its like the juvi hunter

[hybrid matrix]

how about all juvies less than 10% grown should get 1shot

[urban flax]

Seems arbitrary

[carmine path]

Lemme just go zooooooooom. Dead

[worn pumice]

nah that wouldnt bee too good

a fresh spawn deino is almost quetz weight

[carmine path]

I wanna see a Quetz just absolutely yoink a juvi

[novel turtle]

changed it

[hybrid matrix]

why'd it bee so bad

[worn pumice]

whats an upper estimate on quetz weight

[chilly slate]

Quetz should be able to kill things smaller than a utah

[worn pumice]

🐝

[hybrid matrix]

u said bee first

[haughty forge]

Why a quetz would not destroy a juvie? It is like... 1 girafe tall

[worn pumice]

im getting bee movie flashbacks

[hybrid matrix]

i think about 220 lbs

[novel turtle]

Changed the deino grabbing to show how it works

[worn pumice]

lbs or kg?

[urban flax]

You didn't read anything did you ? A quetz is not as tall as a giraffe, a giraffe is as tall as a quetz

[worn pumice]

i think u mean kg

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i do

[haughty forge]

T.T

[hybrid matrix]

its 220 kg

and about 400 lbs

[worn pumice]

[urban flax]

lbs

[chilly slate]

I've heard quetzals were so big that they hunted on land

[hybrid matrix]

im an american translating for other americans

[urban flax]

Actually
Sparrows are big enough to hunt on land

[chilly slate]

lol hunt worms or something

[worn pumice]

that grp idea should go for a lot of dinos not all of em tho

also

it would be cool if hatchling stegos had no plates

[urban flax]

I think we've found fossil of baby stegos with plates

[worn pumice]

just to show that its a part of the dino and slowly grows over time

[worn pumice]

[chilly slate]

Most hatchlings dinos should have smaller spikes or plates

[hybrid matrix]

or little bumps like with their thagomizers

[worn pumice]

or yea

just make it super little plates

[urban flax]

Does stego have a hatchling morph yet tho ? I think hatchling uses the juvie model rn

[hybrid matrix]

it shouldnt take long for the plates to grow tho

[worn pumice]

no dino has a hatchling version of themselves

idek if their gonna add hatchling models

[chilly slate]

Do hatchling spinos have a spine in legacy?

[haughty forge]

Or like a hedgehog, they have baby spikes

[urban flax]

They've made some already

[worn pumice]

where

i need to see this

[urban flax]

Does spinos even have growth in legacy ?

[worn pumice]

they do

its 6 hours

[novel turtle]

it doesnt have growth in legacy

[urban flax]

Phase two I think ?

[honest sparrow]

They have growth It’s just it’s the same model

If you’re nested in that is anyway

[worn pumice]

i swear they dont have hatchling models

cuz all the morphs shown are juvi to adult

[chilly slate]

Aw right

[haughty forge]

Yes just a scale of the same model for legacy spoon

[worn pumice]

i hope hatchling dinos actually get models

[chilly slate]

Would a baby spino have it though

[worn pumice]

instead of just smaller juvi model

[worn pumice]

they wont

the juvi doesnt have it either

[novel turtle]

Dino nests should be holes in the ground

[static niche]

Not all

[chilly slate]

Only Crocs and burrowers

[novel turtle]

yup

maybe spinosaurs

[worn pumice]

certain dinos can get their own nests

like tenos and stegos making dirt nests

[urban flax]

I could see stegos making nests out of the bones of their enemies
Considering how aggro they are

[worn pumice]

lol

give birth to babies inside the utah

like a parasite

[chilly slate]

Nah just croc and carno bodies

[honest sparrow]

Wasp stego

[urban flax]

"And you thought carnivores were what you should be afraid of ?"

[worn pumice]

i still remember when i chased down a utah in update 2 as a stego

was so funny

[honest sparrow]

How

[novel turtle]

troodons should do this like in the jp game

[worn pumice]

it wasted all its stam and i just kept following it

it eventually sat in a bush and i ambushed it

[novel turtle]

why tho bilbo

[hybrid matrix]

i think its bc the devs said no to baby carrying, but ur proposal for it has few, if any, issues

[novel turtle]

ok

[urban flax]

And also because a lot of people have already suggested baby carrying nin the mouth for deino

[hybrid matrix]

@barren zephyr wuts wrong with the suggestion?

[swift dew]

the only issue is, what happens if you grow past 20% while in the mouth? does the parrent just automatically drop you, or do you get locked at 20% growth until you get put down

[barren zephyr]

EVErything!!!

[hybrid matrix]

👀

[barren zephyr]

A 20% DEINOSUCHUS IS FUCKING 1.6 TONS IN WEIGHT

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

HOLY SHIT

[worn pumice]

actually

the weight is super weird

[barren zephyr]

Carebearing is bad and it’s serious issue

[worn pumice]

at 20% ur not that big weight wise

[swift dew]

ok? and deino picks up stegos that weigh 4 tons by the strength of its neck

[barren zephyr]

Now imagine what it would be with that mechanic in

[urban flax]

Not when it's your actual baby, is it ?

[novel turtle]

would get dropped onto the nearest stable ground

[worn pumice]

its not rly carebearing if its ur child

lol

[barren zephyr]

It is

[hybrid matrix]

"stop raising your kid you dirty carebearer"

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

Btw that has already been confirmed to not be a thing

[worn pumice]

but has it

[hybrid matrix]

fuck
does that mean im getting evicted?

[worn pumice]

wait lemme be dio

source?

[barren zephyr]

Cause it’s a terrible idea when you think about how much it would be abused.

[hybrid matrix]

what are the loopholes tho?

[novel turtle]

its designed to not be abused

[barren zephyr]

It isn’t

[hybrid matrix]

u can only pick up grouped deinos

[novel turtle]

and both sides need to agree to it

[hybrid matrix]

the babies are the ones who ask to be picked up and the mother can say no

i dont see anything wrong with this idea

[barren zephyr]

Anyways, lol cya guys around

[hybrid matrix]

there are other versions of baby carrying which sucked

[novel turtle]

uhhh

[worn pumice]

source?

[hybrid matrix]

but this one has no flaws (that i can think of)

[barren zephyr]

Carrying babies will not be a thing. It has been deconfirmed by Filipe and Punch

[hybrid matrix]

yes i kno this

but we can only hope that they consider this version of it

[novel turtle]

ik but im just putting this idea out there

[strange wave]

its not a good idea though

if its deino exclusive them deino has zero nesting issues

if it isnt baby hunters will still starve

20% deino is way too fucking big

[novel turtle]

k

[hybrid matrix]

except
a deino can lift a 4 ton stego
so why is 1.6 tons an issue

[novel turtle]

finally a good point

i was thinking if its attacked (Not including hypsi spit) then it will drop the babys

[strange wave]

because the lunge drains the deinos stamina, does damage to the target, and is used to kill things, they arent the same system

[hybrid matrix]

except it can lift the stego

[novel turtle]

because the deino is holding onto a struggling object

[strange wave]

derptah, read what i said again

[novel turtle]

a baby is just sitting there

[hybrid matrix]

sure its a different system but its still lifting a 4 ton animal

[strange wave]

currently

[novel turtle]

also there would be a max baby amount of like 4

[hybrid matrix]

4 is a lot

[novel turtle]

3

[strange wave]

this wont solve anything

[hybrid matrix]

20% babies are pretty wide

[novel turtle]

why baby snatcher can attack mother then run off with child

[honest sparrow]

The child is right in front of its mouth

[hybrid matrix]

i think 1 or 2 20% babies is good

[honest sparrow]

Good luck with that chief

[strange wave]

because a troodon attacking a rex and then having to drag the child away is only ending one way

[hybrid matrix]

pack of troodons working together to lift the baby together like ants

[strange wave]

shush you

[novel turtle]

there isnt a stun thing the rex can just bite the troodon if its good enough

[hybrid matrix]

at the very least u should be able to hide underneath bigger dinos

[strange wave]

alright so, troodon bite a mother rex, the rex is forced to drop the kid, this can be abused extremely
if the troodon decides to go for the kid, it dies, because kid is right under mama
if it manages to kill the kid, it dies, because i need to drag the body away

[swift dew]

maybe the amount of children you could hold was based on size, so you would have a max of 20 housing space, and each percent would be 1 housing space. up to 4 babies, so you could hold one 20%, a 15% and a 5%, four 5%

[novel turtle]

changed it to 15%

[hybrid matrix]

hey wait a sec

WAIT A SECOND

HANG ON

EVERYONE

[strange wave]

no

[hybrid matrix]

I JUST WANT TO ASK SOMETHING VERY FUCKING IMPORTANT TO THIS DISCUSISON

WHY

[strange wave]

why

[novel turtle]

i like this

[honest sparrow]

Is the isle existant?

[hybrid matrix]

WHY WOULD A TROODON ATTACK A DEINO BABY IF THE MOTHER IS RIGHT THERE

[honest sparrow]

Exactly

[novel turtle]

exactly

[urban flax]

Because it didn't see the mother ?

[strange wave]

then kid is always with the mother because they dont have any of the movement penalties they did before

[novel turtle]

the baby is in the mothers mouth

[swift dew]

same reasons dryos and pteras do it

[honest sparrow]

It gives things who want to actually attack a child (or who have no other option in the area) no chance to even do it

[hybrid matrix]

why risk it tho

i always try to find something else

[honest sparrow]

Food

[strange wave]

food

[honest sparrow]

Sometimes there are no other options

[wild stone]

Uhh. Juveniles being carried off while still alive has been mythbusted, yes. By Pteranodon for example.

There's no reason that little crocs shouldn't be able to enter an adult crocs mouth. It's voluntary to enter/exit, and you would probably only be able to do it if the adult croc was resting with its mouth open. Not very abusable if the small can exit on its own terms.

The context of not allowing other creatures to grab and carry off young was that it would be abused.

[honest sparrow]

I had to risk eating a juvi croc corpse right on top a stego once as a carno

Because I had no other option

There are times where you have no choice, you can’t just wander off because you’ll probably fucking starve

[novel turtle]

i said earlier that baby would be let down if bitten

[hybrid matrix]

except here's the thing
in that situation u dont have to kill the baby, u can just grab a bite and run

[strange wave]

sure while you might solve the issue of the adults trolling the kid with that, you cant solve the issue of all troubles with having small weak younglings being gone

[wild stone]

If I'm a ptera able to grab babies and fly off with them, there's nothing stopping me from just grabbing the same person repeatedly and flying around at a height large enough to kill it with fall damage.

[honest sparrow]

I mean I did kill the baby, it’s just the steg was right on top of it because there were deinos around

[strange wave]

literally cant

[hybrid matrix]

oh
i thought u meant that the baby was already dead

[strange wave]

how tf you gonna "grab a bite"

[honest sparrow]

If there’s something

Right there

And you have no option

[hybrid matrix]

the same way that you grab a single unit of water and then run to find a safe place to drink

[strange wave]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

[wild stone]

What's your objection exactly? I can't read this sentence.

[strange wave]

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

[hybrid matrix]

dont do this
this rlly undermines ur argument

1 sec

[honest sparrow]

Bob is like the worst example

[worn pumice]

BoB and balance dont go well together

[honest sparrow]

You could possibly give

[novel turtle]

true that

[worn pumice]

5.0 mosas

smh

[strange wave]

as we can clearly see, cannot be abused at all

[honest sparrow]

Just grab your baby and teleport to the other side of the map

[worn pumice]

whoever thought infinite growth was a good idea is just

[hybrid matrix]

[novel turtle]

im just trying to say that i have not seen the grabbing being abused like the way you have been describing

[worn pumice]

but just make it so u cant grab juvis

[strange wave]

bob is literally the perfect example

[honest sparrow]

Let’s say a baby mosa beaches itself a decent distance from shore

[strange wave]

because people just grab the kid and teleport away at mach speed

[honest sparrow]

It should be fucking dead when let’s say a meg stumbles upon it

[worn pumice]

ur only able to grab juvis that are ur own species if u nested them / grped with them thru the inv system

[novel turtle]

thats what i said in the first place

[strange wave]

still removes any and all chance of the kid dying

[honest sparrow]

But the adult, jumps out of the water, grabs the kid, and gets back into the water faster than you can say “holy shit this is unfair)

[worn pumice]

not rly tho

[strange wave]

yes really though

[worn pumice]

how?

explain

[novel turtle]

then bork went up with the hole baby snatcher thing which is definitely not going to be added

[worn pumice]

its not in ur mouth 24/7

[honest sparrow]

There is no risk in being exposed or picked off when the adult can just grab it and have it run away or defend it

[hybrid matrix]

Step 1
locate the child
step 2
park your SR-71 Blackbird next to the child
step 3
take the child and put it in the engine
step 4
activate the engine
step 5
takeoff and then catch the baby midair
step 6
eat the cooked child

[strange wave]

okay, so
carno parent has a kid
troodon comes along for a meal
carno just grabs the kid and dips to the other side of the island, or drops the kid on a rock where nothing can get him, or just picks the little fucker up and makes him functionally immortal

[honest sparrow]

Your juvi Ptera crashed and has no stam? Sorry predators, it goes on the tallest mountain

[worn pumice]

step 6 delete the game for the ultimate experience

[novel turtle]

how did this go from deinos holding children to baby snatcher running at Mach 10

[barren zephyr]

So can deino buck?

from utah pounces

[strange wave]

who?

[hybrid matrix]

no i dont think so

[worn pumice]

deino can buck yes

[barren zephyr]

i saw video which looked like it bucked

[hybrid matrix]

wait rlly?

[worn pumice]

hold E to buck as a deino

yee

it looks pretty good to

[barren zephyr]

can you mvoe around and buck?

[hybrid matrix]

now im wondering why it didnt work for me

[barren zephyr]

or just staying still

[honest sparrow]

No point in bucking tho when you can just drag utahs into Atlantis

[worn pumice]

yes

[barren zephyr]

ah okay ty

[hybrid matrix]

ohh i kno y

well wait

[barren zephyr]

i didn't know i thought it was only teno

or stego

[hybrid matrix]

did deino buck back in the stress test?

[worn pumice]

also ppl forget but u can attack while bucking btw

[honest sparrow]

Na carno and deino do it too

[worn pumice]

yea deino bucked in the stress test

[honest sparrow]

No idea, never saw a Utah attempt it

[worn pumice]

but pouncing a deino isnt very reliable

it has bleed resistance plus it can run to water

[hybrid matrix]

then it mustve been bc i was mashing E (thats how bucking used to work)

[worn pumice]

ye i did that a lot too

u gotta hold E

it might not activate for like 1 second but keep holding it

it'll work

[hybrid matrix]

k

[worn pumice]

u can also attack while bucking btw

[novel turtle]

a thing with borks argument is that they said no baby grabbing so why where we even going into baby snatching dinos

[honest sparrow]

Because there are dinos that specialize or at least do better at killing babies

[worn pumice]

i thought we were specifically speaking about deino carrying

[novel turtle]

but why would they even add it to the game if they dont like parents grabing their own babies

[honest sparrow]

Removing the option by picking up the dino removes a reliable food source from those guys

[novel turtle]

we where

[worn pumice]

not carno picking their child up

ok

so why did bork bring up carnos lol

not even relevant rn

[novel turtle]

these guys will probably never be added

[honest sparrow]

Ovi, velo, troodon, Galli, compy, Utah, herra, etc

[novel turtle]

they said eggs not babies

[honest sparrow]

You do realize that egg stealers can kill babies too right

[novel turtle]

yes but they cant run away with it so they wont even try

[honest sparrow]

So your saying just remove an entire food option for the smaller animals that can’t hunt as much? Even though they could 100% get away with it

[novel turtle]

they can do it im just saying why implement an entire mechanic tailor to them if it isnt even the best food source

just go for eggs that you can run with

[honest sparrow]

I never said they should be able to pick up babies, I’m saying dinos being able to pick up their own babies removes that food source, and eggs aren’t always around

[novel turtle]

well thats what happens in nature so why should it be different here. I know this game is not realistic but parents will still try to protect their children

[honest sparrow]

Yes

But they can do that without negating any and all attempts

Like idk

[novel turtle]

im not negating all

[honest sparrow]

attacking the intruder or being more alert and helping the babies get to safety

But what’s the point of that when you can just put em in your mouth and go to the bottom of the river for 10 mins

[novel turtle]

parents will still have to leave for food/water or smthing

or you can work as a pack

[honest sparrow]

They can take the babies with them tho

[novel turtle]

many things

they would bring a baby towards a predator?

[honest sparrow]

Towards water and food

[novel turtle]

they are designed for EGG snatching not babies

and some can just scavenge

and also spawn creatures still exist

[honest sparrow]

Animals who hunt eggs hunt babies all the time, and basically every predator takes the opportunity to attack a baby

[novel turtle]

well they wont try if the parent is right there

[hybrid matrix]

ovi sure as hell isnt killing any babies

oviraptor LITERALLY means "egg thief"

[honest sparrow]

Yes, because what’s the point of your starving and your only option can be picked up and across the island or somewhere where you can’t even reach

[novel turtle]

ty derpath

[honest sparrow]

Just.. kick them

[hybrid matrix]

i could see galli killing babies

[novel turtle]

yes but they have to get away with them which is why its not the best option

[honest sparrow]

But it’s food

And you can get away with it

[novel turtle]

which is why baby carrying is still viable

[hybrid matrix]

but galli is gonna be fast enough and agile enough (and it can kick sand into ur eyes) that it would only have to worry about the parents sneaking up on them

[honest sparrow]

Just eat fast or drag away with it

[hybrid matrix]

galli could still feasibly steal babies even if baby carrying were a thing

[honest sparrow]

But why worry about that when at the first sign of any danger you can just pick it up and run off somewhere else

[novel turtle]

have you seen how slow draging is

[swift dew]

babies from the animals on here

[novel turtle]

which is something they said they wont do

[honest sparrow]

I mean I imagine any babies Galli is killing and eating are pretty small and could even carried by mouth or even hands

[hybrid matrix]

hands for sure

[novel turtle]

true but then the babies are already dead so thats fine

[honest sparrow]

Yes

[novel turtle]

im just saying that parents can hold alive babies and this could easily be a deino only thing

[honest sparrow]

Which is what the point is

[hybrid matrix]

wait

[honest sparrow]

If you just kill the babies

[hybrid matrix]

what tf is compy gonna steal kids from

[novel turtle]

ikr

[honest sparrow]

Like homalo, oro, hypsi,

[novel turtle]

its as big as a baby

[honest sparrow]

Other compies

[hybrid matrix]

i bet that all of these babies will be big enough to defend against a compy

anyway

ima go play kerbal space program

[novel turtle]

cya

[honest sparrow]

Homalo is like compy size and hypsi and oro are like a bit bigger, they’ll 100% be compy food

(As babies anyway)

[novel turtle]

im going to go to a different server and if something happens here then ill come back

[charred fractal]

It's not silly really , with the lag you get and gliitching back and forth friendly fire is not easy to avoid currently in game

[novel turtle]

i could see this as a server togglable thing but that's it

[barren zephyr]

it is

just dont attack your allies

also server connection issues isnt a argument

they should just fix the root issue instead of adding a bandaid issue that has obvious drawbacks

[manic flint]

I thought compy was gonna be ai?

[glad dirge]

It is

[worn pumice]

i believe its gonna be playable as well

but who knows

idek how u would play as it

[glad dirge]

I'm gonna be disappointed if it's not

[worn pumice]

10 second grow time

[honest sparrow]

It’s playable too

[glad dirge]

Hopefully compy ai just

Swarms people

[worn pumice]

or instead

i hope it swarms bodies

[carmine path]

Pretty sure it does that

[worn pumice]

thats kinda what it is anyways

[glad dirge]

But if you are a juvi and you go up to gore, compys just beeline for you

No touch their gore

[worn pumice]

depending on what u are it should react accordingly

[carmine path]

Death to non-compy

[glad dirge]

Bigger they run away

Smoller they swarm you

[swift dew]

200

[carmine path]

Rex just strolls up and is swarmed by compys

[worn pumice]

actually what isnt bigger then a compy lol

ig a juvi ptera

their like 2. something kg when spawned

[honest sparrow]

Nothing at full size

[worn pumice]

compy is so small its laughable

[glad dirge]

Wow that's small

I'm so excited for beipi tho

[worn pumice]

yea

its actually not that small

but its super interesting

[glad dirge]

It looks pretty fun

[worn pumice]

its a omnivore thats semi aquatic

[glad dirge]

I like the idea that there is a diverse small dino category

Not just mid tier and above

[worn pumice]

i liked the idea of having small tiers first

till

it was ruined

oh well

[glad dirge]

Yeah

[swift dew]

i will play an omnivore for the sake of it being an omnivore. i also just like beipi

[full canopy]

Is all this agressive rubberbanding just the servers' fault or does the net-code need a rework?

[worn pumice]

idk

[swift dew]

[worn pumice]

but a hot fix is coming along

[glad dirge]

Ooh

[worn pumice]

and punch said its working nicely

so

theres hope

[full canopy]

I'm in south spawn atm and dropping to like 30 fps. I'm rocking a 2080, and usually run most titles at 150+ fps if I tweek settings a bit. this aint good

[charred fractal]

"Don't attack your allies" do I seem dumb to you xD I said that usually happens accidentally but that's your opinion and this is mine ^^

[hybrid matrix]

ok then

if it happens accidentally

take turns attacking

its that simple

just take turns

👍

[sonic mural]

Yea the best thing u can do in that situation is take turns lol

[paper oriole]

Yikes another “remove friendly fire so my uncoordinated pack of spam attacking idiots can mob people easier” suggestion

[chilly slate]

so much for immersion

[charred fractal]

I've been playing isle for years ,I know how everything works , that was just a suggestion , I'm mostly a lone and very successful hunter myself

[drifting radish]

ah, hm. how will nesting work without global chat? like i realize there are discords but -- i am a loner who has no friends to directly nest in.

[charred fractal]

i'll nest you in , just need a mate 😆

[drifting radish]

AND A MATE omg

i forgot

im such a fucking loner, im literally never going to be able to have kids wheeze

[charred fractal]

xD

[hybrid matrix]

there's a "nest" button in the character selection screen

[jade schooner]

@normal topaz I like the idea. Idk how it would translate into the game tho. It would also help out people with a hearing deficit. And animals with "better hearing" (if there's something like that in the game), could have these indicators being more prominent or effective

[paper oriole]

A hard-of-hearing setting that cuts sound in favour of directional indicators (so it is not abused by people who can hear fine and just want an extra crutch) could work

Or small flighty animals like dryo, compy, ovi, hypsi having the ability. It just seems like too much of a crutch to have as a mechanic for everyone especially large predators

Or large powerful animals who are supposed to be hunted via ambush should rely on their own hearing

[jade schooner]

Now that's a great idea

[jade schooner]

and this

[barren zephyr]

@normal topaz

just use your ears

have heightened senses when compared to humans.

and?

the isle isnt going for paleo accuracy

And even if they were, this would be a awful mechanic

[urban flax]

Plus, if you want to make senses as close to what the actual dinosaurs had, might as well remove color from the game and set it to grayscale

[left nacelle]

The animals in game are already gonna have insane night vision compared to humans anyway. I don't think they need anything else

[jade schooner]

gray scale is not what every animal sees. They have differently tuned colour and light receptors in comparison to us

bird example

[urban flax]

Yes I know, but you can't have the player see colors the human eye can't see

It was to simplify, most animals have a bichromatic vision anyway

[barren zephyr]

Don't take it personal, I just didn't find your suggestion good.

[paper oriole]

Did they delete their suggestion lol

[fading fjord]

[glad dirge]

I miss the music

[left nacelle]

I know there is a new music guy. But I can't remember if he's remaking the old tracks or making new ones altogether. I think (and hope) it's the first one

[drifting radish]

what was their suggestion?

[formal heath]

i like the 'adding sound to cliffs' suggestion, if it was just a subtle wind sound that would help a ton, i think everyone has ran off those cliffs at lest once at this point loll

[drifting radish]

yeahhhhh lmao
never see em coming and then oop dead

[hoary dawn]

probably to discourage blindly running through dense foliage

[white rune]

Why the fuck "pela"

it isn't even planned

[hoary dawn]

pela is absolutely gonna be the community dino

i will be very surprised if it isn't

[white rune]

What about Deinocheirus as it would be a better animal than pela to add?

Pela is nothing more than another Pteranodon as it occupy the same niche and is even smaller.

[hoary dawn]

yes

but still

very likely that it will be

im not happy about it

[honest sparrow]

It ain’t over till the concept art is dropped

[white rune]

Still don't think. I hope the devs won't be dumb like that to add it. But they decided to add some animals that aren't great so

[swift dew]

i said pela because I seriously think pela would be a good addition, Im not about to argue why because your just going to say "ptera clone" or "boring seagull".

[hoary dawn]

i mean

yea

[swift dew]

though if pela doesn't come ptera should get the diving mechanic along with taking off from the water

[white rune]

I mean. It is a Pteranodon clone. They both occupy a same role in the ecosystem like albatross and seagulls.

Seagulls are just kind of small albatross but way more land focused and in The Isle we won't need of oceanic animals so.

[swift dew]

but they don't, a real ptera and pela would, but our ptera has been designed for inland flight and fishing, and pela can stick to coastal areas.

end of conversation

[white rune]

As can ptera when fish will be added to coastline.

Areas doesn't change the way you will play. I agree that biome should have different animal constitution but making 2 exact same animals different by their locations just doesn't work.

[honest sparrow]

iirc oceanic fish are planned so it doesn’t necessarily matter if pela or Ptera gets the role

[swift dew]

but they wont be the exact same, ptera can skim, which is already an extremely effeicient method of fishing and pela can dive in the oceans deeper waters. but no give it to ptera and let it have even more ways to never starve

[honest sparrow]

Ptera could also dive, and if you added it to deeper water sources with other fish you could give reasonable risk reward to Ptera fishing

[swift dew]

it could dive irl, but you not give it multiple methods of fishing and never starving and give one to another interesting flyer

[honest sparrow]

Dive in the wrong area bye bye wing, deino kills you, you drown, any other semi-aquatic could kill you etc

[white rune]

Don't see why Pteranodon could not dive and Pela could. Like there is no points to not make it unable to.

It's kinda the same as saying that most small animals not being able to invade burrows if the occasion present to themselves.

[honest sparrow]

I mean if you add multiple fishing flyers both are obviously going to overlap because they essentially do the same thing, just give Ptera more varied gameplay, keep bullying shit to quetz, and add tupa as a flyer instead

[white rune]

Tupandactylus/Thalassodromeus would be way more interesting mid flyers.

[swift dew]

what about acro and giga? they are essentially the same thing

except one weighs like 2 tons less

which isnt that much

at their weights

[honest sparrow]

I don’t exactly agree with their stance or many other things in a similar stance either

[white rune]

That's the main problem of those animals.. Also Acro will most likely be played like old CeratoRex.

As how it is designed to.

Even if I dislike it.

The guy gonna bully, meanwhile Giga will go full sauropod hunter and take hits on its back. Also most likely use its claws as how they are designed.

[swift dew]

i dont understand why people keep striking pela down. you can have 4 flyers.

1. jack of all trades: ptera
2. Specialized fisher that is not very agile, but has the most effecient method of fishing but also the most dangerous (diving): pela
3. soarer that just flys across the entire map: quetz
4. fruit eater: tupa

[honest sparrow]

Because Ptera could just do what pela does

[white rune]

But I can see this problem being applied to things that do similar things, like Galli and Ovi now. Troodon and Dilo. Rex and Alberto as how Alberto is done.

If Alberto was really Alberto it could have been unique.

But they did it mini Rex.

[swift dew]

just give it to ptera right. anything unique just give it to the other fucking flyer because you hate the one. just fucking give everything to ptera, might as well give ptera the ability to cross the entire map in a single flight since ptera could easily to that too, so lets fucking remove quetz now

[honest sparrow]

1. Glider fishing specialist: Ptera
2. Soaring small bully quetz
3. Omnivore jungle flyer tupa
4. Vampiric nocturnal mesa
5. Idk maybe rhamph or dimorpho

[white rune]

Rhamph

Rhamph is larger than Dimorph.

It basically is better and funnier compy kekw.

Compy being locked to land and unable to see shits.

[honest sparrow]

Yeah but Ptera doesn land and destroy smalls, or eat fruit in dense areas, or suck blood at night, or do anything else a flyer could fucking do

But no

Keep adding more fishers

[white rune]

Meanwhile Rhamph flies, climb trees, has same diet so bugs, fish and parasits.

Low ground flyer.

[honest sparrow]

Keep adding more things that are similar to other things

Because where’s the fucking line to draw when so much of this roster is fucked

[swift dew]

fucking hell, how does quetz destroy smalls? ik ptera doesn't do it good quetz literally weighs half that of utahraptor, if your calling killing juvis unique then there is a problem

[white rune]

Like you would just code a bit more Ptera instead of throwing money for a model, skins, animations, calls, coding again the new animal.

Quetz will be a glass canon.

[swift dew]

this is why I dont talk about pela because everyone strikes it down as a ptera clone. like fucking hell it isnt.

[honest sparrow]

Killing everything up to a Utah is something quetz does that Ptera can’t, and it being better on the ground incentivized more active fucking gameplay than Ptera but has no agility and stays out at sea for 5 fucking years

[white rune]

Like it is a good threat to small on lands and its beak can be quite of discouraging as it could do pretty fair damages unlike weak ass Ptera.

Even if Azdarchidae neck is super stiff.

Just make Quetz giant death stork giraffe.

[hoary dawn]

pela and ptera would have very similar gameplay

more so than other potential flyers