general-feedback-discussion

[worn pumice]

ok but are herbivores nor dangerous either?

[turbid mauve]

"But prey outnumber predator ten to one."

[worn pumice]

yea they do

IRL

[hybrid matrix]

i have a great idea guys

since there are more carnivores than herbivores rn

why not just flip it

[worn pumice]

actually u wanna know something else most prey items either by fighting or running surivive the predator by 75 to 80 percent of the time imagine this in game

[hybrid matrix]

all the carnivores become herbivores and all the herbivores become carnivores

[rugged quarry]

The allure of herbivores should be variety imo. I like them cause all of them are so unique carnivores have the same body plan 80% of the time

[patent garden]

like i said, the only way to get people to actually play herbi is to give them shorter grow times for the same amount of stats as an equivalent carni (again, i.e, utah = 1h30m, tenonto = 1h or 1h15m)

[turbid mauve]

Hunting is hard in irl though, so, whats your point?

[sonic mural]

Hopefully when rex and teno and more ai are added it’ll be more 50/50 carni and herbi depending on how frequent they’ll spawn

[hybrid matrix]

o shit

ai is another way to balance it

[sonic mural]

Yep

[hybrid matrix]

if a certain species is lacking in players, ai will take their place

[patent garden]

AI is just a way to patch up the fact that playing herbis is boring as hell tho...

[worn pumice]

my point being irl shouldnt equal in game

[rugged quarry]

Ai balancing could easily be a cop out on the devs part

[hybrid matrix]

true but at least it balances the game

ai balancing should be a temporary fic

fix*

a way to buy time for the devs to find a more permanent way to balance the game

[sonic mural]

I’d get chased by rex ai just for fun tbh

[turbid mauve]

I can't wait to see stupid AI get sport killed by very intelligent smart human carnivores, meanwhile, I'll be the first to run in (my ai) herd.

[worn pumice]

i hope rex ai is actually smart

like it doesnt tank hits

[patent garden]

^ and i hope the rex ai is added as a surprise lol

[turbid mauve]

Why surprise?

[patent garden]

for fun

imagine just chillin with your pack as a utah, and all of a sudden a huge rex comes sprinting out of the woods at you? id piss myself

but id enjoy it 😌

[hybrid matrix]

i hope that next april 1st, rex ai is added for 10 random minutes ever hour

[feral solstice]

I hope Rex ai will also rely on scent

[turbid mauve]

I'd pounce it and mual it death cause it stupid

[hybrid matrix]

i hope it HEAVILY relies on scent

[sonic mural]

It would probably be able to buck

[steady lintel]

It’ll probably have scripts that make it seem scary or intimidating but at the same time I can see it being kinda obviously an ai and a lesser experience then going up against a real player obviously

[patent garden]

god let's hope they figure out rex AI before another year passes 😩

[turbid mauve]

Imagine pouncing on ai rex and going to rock to rest and it still there? lmao

[feral solstice]

For it to know what prey is what and where it is, it should sniff and have the data register to its system on where to go

[turbid mauve]

seems like zombie ai to me

in roblox

[feral solstice]

And maybe when it sniffs and sees the footprint, it’ll mark where you are and start crouching and stalking you

[patent garden]

bruh im sure the devs wouldnt just give the rex dryo ai lmao

[hybrid matrix]

dude u kno that not all ai are beef wits

[patent garden]

we're saying all of this based on the assumption that the AI will be greatly refined by then

[turbid mauve]

That's what they all say.

[patent garden]

it was already way better for dryos back in QA / stress testing, they'd actually dodge and would get away like 90% of the time

[sonic mural]

Last time I chased a dryo ai it was actually pretty smart

[feral solstice]

Like

[hybrid matrix]

are you a boomer?

[patent garden]

they temporarily dumbed it down probably due to performance in the official release

[feral solstice]

Look at this shit

https://youtu.be/jtqVDRJD5lc

For an unfinished ai it’s actually pretty scary

[turbid mauve]

I think I'm Gen Z.

[steady lintel]

Update 2 dryo ai dodged a lot to they weren’t easy to catch

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like class is a boomer bc they think that all ai is stupid

[patent garden]

he's got that boomer attitude

[hybrid matrix]

ai is the future old man

[patent garden]

boomer is not an age, it's a life style

[hybrid matrix]

[sonic mural]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-crying-cat-cat-crying-shaking-gif-17025342

Scary rex

[feral solstice]

I absolutely love the way the Rex AI like looks around

[turbid mauve]

Imagine being spotted by a rex as human waltzing around and all you have to defend yourself is a nimble stegosaurus who was treading near you're path you passed 5 mins ago?

[patent garden]

tbf that was 3 months ago

what

just climb a tree

or die

[hybrid matrix]

i hope that a stego will be able to fend a rex off

[turbid mauve]

Humans can't climb trees, trust me. We don't have the claws or grip to do so.

[sonic mural]

It most likely will

[patent garden]

hm true, but have you considered: monke

[hybrid matrix]

some dinos should just be a no-no for carnivores once they're fully grown

[patent garden]

^

[hybrid matrix]

like theri

[paper oriole]

Many ahletic humans can climb trees tf you on class

[sonic mural]

Monke vs hererra who wins

[turbid mauve]

We can climb some structured tree branches though.

[patent garden]

mm... monke

jk herrera

[sonic mural]

Wise choice

[patent garden]

parkour lizard

[sonic mural]

Wiser choice lmao

[patent garden]

im so excited for the herrera

ill miss the bouncy little gremlin run it had back in legacy, though

[hybrid matrix]

this is starting to turn into an #401464048610312195 convo

[turbid mauve]

My ass ain't climbing no tree, I don't got the grip and I have women hands (no offense to women).

[hybrid matrix]

lets talk about something else quickly b4 a mod sees

[patent garden]

lol

[hybrid matrix]

giraffe attacks for brachi

yes or no

[paper oriole]

Well i mean of course you can't climb a tree, clsss

[patent garden]

if you have to put (no offense to women) perhaps you should just keep that info to yourself

pro gamer tip

[paper oriole]

Depending on the gear i've seen people hug the trunk if a tree and sort of kick their way up, not super speedy obviously but it can be done

[patent garden]

also i would love mangroves

especially for lil baby deinos

[rugged quarry]

If giant ampibians will be added would it be possible to balance metamorphic stages

[paper oriole]

Mangroves for plateo mmmmm

[rugged quarry]

I feel like a tadpole would be total dogwater

[hybrid matrix]

no thoughts on giving brachi giraffe-like attacks?

[patent garden]

mudflats would be ugly as hell but could still be nice for variation's sake

[turbid mauve]

Yeah and I've seen people with impressive gear fall off large tree branches and survive with next level pain.

[rugged quarry]

Yes I like it because it would allow neck on neck combat and offensive sauropods are cool

[paper oriole]

Sometimes an ugly landscape is good

There is good ugly snd bad ugly, a well done mudflat is good ugly

[patent garden]

class, if someone saw a rex in the woods, im sure they would figure out a way to climb a tree lmao

[hybrid matrix]

not what i meant by that

[patent garden]

adrenaline makes up for "women hands"

(lmao)

[hybrid matrix]

adrenaline is a pretty cool thing

[rugged quarry]

You don’t mean a giraffe dominance battle?

[patent garden]

also i agree, the map should have some more beautiful parts and some uglier

[hybrid matrix]

no i dont

[patent garden]

as long as they all have some kind of niche to be filled

[hybrid matrix]

i mean for fending off attackers

[rugged quarry]

Those are cool tho 😦

[turbid mauve]

I saw a video of like... u dont hear this but like this... this old grandpa looking dude was in a lion enclosure trying to climb the fence and run the lion to get away from it and that shit was real... like i could hear the people being "grandpa omg and arguhuhu" etc like it was awful, how we react when we are in danger, its almost like we don' know how to react.

[hybrid matrix]

it'd look weird since brachi doesnt have the protective bumps that giraffes have

[turbid mauve]

Plus if a rex saw me it'd get me before i get two feet into that tree

[steady lintel]

Grandpa was to old then

[paper oriole]

But these are trained mercenaries who are (should be) prepared for bad situations

Not some random geezer

[hybrid matrix]

this is a confusing statement

[patent garden]

lmao

[hybrid matrix]

you make it seem like the guy died but you also make it seem like he didnt

[turbid mauve]

was confusing for me to recall too

[paper oriole]

So while they are still prone to panic, they wouldn’t act so poorly

[hybrid matrix]

anyway

[rugged quarry]

Are the mercs JP lost world merc (a fun cowboy/dino adventure) or stereotypical ex military mercs in riot gear?

[turbid mauve]

I saw the video of the lion grapping its neck and the grandpa being like wtf when he saw it charging like it tried to run but its old ya feel and the fence was there

[patent garden]

mercs are mercs, trained soldiers

[paper oriole]

Idk the devs love JP so probably the former

[hybrid matrix]

giraffe kicks for brachi
yay or nay

[rugged quarry]

Ye

[patent garden]

brachi should have all the attacks

[steady lintel]

The art for them had only looked tactical from what I’ve seen so far

[patent garden]

tail whip, neck bash, kicks on all feet, charges, tramples, etc.

they should be literal tanks

[hybrid matrix]

well here's the thing about the neck bashing

it wouldnt make sense for brachi

here's why

[patent garden]

dw you dont need to tell me

i dont care

[hybrid matrix]

giraffes are protected when they do this

bc of the little bumps on their heads

brachi

[patent garden]

they'd just have a shit ton of attacks is my point

[hybrid matrix]

doesnt have these bumps

[paper oriole]

Neck slams for apa instead

[hybrid matrix]

yes

anyway i was thinking more like kicks

[patent garden]

they should not have any "weak spots" or anything imo

[rugged quarry]

Yes but hypothetical protuberances

[turbid mauve]

i just hope brachi isnt super duper slow and that its sprint does something worthwhile

[steady lintel]

They giving magy a neck slam thing already aren’t they ?

[hybrid matrix]

they should have a weakspot

[turbid mauve]

and that it can lay down

[hybrid matrix]

the head

and the upper neck

seriously tho

[patent garden]

they should be something you simply do not fuck with, regardless of your size. even certain hypos should be a lil hesitant to deal with them

[paper oriole]

Brachi looked decently speedy for what one would expect for a large sauro in the older vid it was in

[hybrid matrix]

if u manage to somehow hit a brachi in the head (without being a flyer) then congrats

[patent garden]

you've hacked the game

lmao

flying rex pog?

[rugged quarry]

Jet raptor

[hybrid matrix]

obviously not
flying deino you dumbass

wut do u think that tail is for, huh?

[paper oriole]

But brachi is like what, 20 tons? I don't think it could kick like a giraffe who probably only weighs a few

[hybrid matrix]

its used as a pogostick

[turbid mauve]

why did nature allow these animals to get so big anyways? meanwhile... our brains are built like peas compared to them

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[barren zephyr]

oxygen levels

[steady lintel]

Built different

[hybrid matrix]

the reason that humans are so.... well, basic, is because of how complex our brains are

[patent garden]

when you're trying to grow but the clap of the dummy thicc oxygen's ass cheeks keeps making you grow to record sizes

[hybrid matrix]

we are the smartest living species on the planet

[rugged quarry]

Anyone here played fossil fighters

That shit was the bomb

[turbid mauve]

we were basic before we had our complex brains so, theres that. Before we became homosapiens, we were nimble walking-tree-dwellers known as hominins.

[steady lintel]

Because thumbs

Problem solved

[patent garden]

hey fun fact crows and raccoons have entered the stone age

[steady lintel]

And legs

[hybrid matrix]

pog

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

cant wait for racoon/crow/human society

[rugged quarry]

Literally nobody here has even heard of fossil fighters

Wtf

[hybrid matrix]

ive heard of it

[steady lintel]

no

[hybrid matrix]

just never played it

[patent garden]

all i know about is those dino nuggets i used to eat as a kid

also walking with dinosaurs

[rugged quarry]

Missed out

Better than Pokémon

[steady lintel]

Wait

I think I did play it

[hybrid matrix]

[steady lintel]

On my friends DS

[rugged quarry]

Anyways the reason I bring it up was it’s got mo’ fuckin Shunosaurus

Club tailed sauropod

Definitely something worth being put in the isle

[paper oriole]

I wouldn’t mind seeing atlasaurus, shunosaurus and bajadasaurus eventually, as long as they are done well

[turbid mauve]

I want anky ;3

also if sauropods step on someone, they die right?

[steady lintel]

I personally feel like the devs over look interesting sauropods that actually have interesting evolution traits in favor for plain ones

With the exception of diplo or apa

[turbid mauve]

Is diplo like stego spiked tail, without the spikes?

[steady lintel]

No it’s the really long sauropod

Has the crazy whip tail thing

[turbid mauve]

so kinda like stego right?😏

[paper oriole]

The whip would likely be more comparable to tenonto

High damage with a cc

[turbid mauve]

bone break too, like teno right? 😏

[patent garden]

wait

[floral saffron]

class what is your argument exactly? you didn't seem to suggest anything so much as make analogies and give examples of... something

[patent garden]

are we getting diplodocus???

[turbid mauve]

To make balancing within the game common sense, just like nature does.

[floral saffron]

doubt it. maybe looooong down the road but i honestly dont see why we would

[patent garden]

aw :(

i loved seeing em in walking w dinosaurs

[floral saffron]

but... what is your suggestion, that carnos be like hyenas and go for the balls??

[turbid mauve]

THAT DINO SHOULDNT EVEN BE TACKLING WITH A STEGOSAUR SIZED TIER ANIMAL. You don't see a cheetah fighting a buffalo.

[floral saffron]

yeah ik, i'd like to see them added but it seems unlikely. not a dev tho so take that w/ a grain of salt

[paper oriole]

Give allosaurus a nutshot multiplier as homage to broken jaw and that one allo that got thagged in the ass

[patent garden]

nah i understand why they wouldnt really be added especially since brachi's already planned

[floral saffron]

i. im just tryna figure out what ur suggestion is cause rn i dont see one

[patent garden]

no point in adding a shit ton of sauropods with similar life styles

[turbid mauve]

Reread it.

[floral saffron]

did.

[turbid mauve]

Diplo is different from brachi.

[turbid mauve]

Than I can't help you.

[patent garden]

dude imma be blunt here, you've got a wack way of explaining things and it's often hard to understand what you mean

[floral saffron]

lmao aight, ur suggestion but ig u dont have to explain or defend it if u dont want to, enjoy ur night 😂

[patent garden]

when i first read your post i thought you were trying to say that carnos should be more op

[paper oriole]

Class, your feedback seems to have the consistent issue of going way too much into detail and distracting from the point you are trying to make rather than simply getting to the point

[patent garden]

why say many word when few do trick?

[paper oriole]

Yes

[floral saffron]

good point

im bad at that myself but good point lmao

[turbid mauve]

Cause than it wouldn't be a trick to begin with.

[patent garden]

😩 ?

[paper oriole]

[patent garden]

are you an ESL by chance?

ESL = english as a second language

[turbid mauve]

fine ima let y'all in on my secret

[paper oriole]

Yes his first language is pure confusion

[turbid mauve]

here goes something

[patent garden]

"do trick" was a weird way of saying something does the trick -- i.e, it gets the job done. it's not a trick, it's just a weird saying

[steady lintel]

@patent garden

[paper oriole]

Hot

[steady lintel]

This is why I mentioned diplo in first place

[patent garden]

:o

hot

[paper oriole]

I wanna whip some allos so hard

[steady lintel]

So I know it’s at least somewhere in the back of there minds but not sure if they will ever implement

[patent garden]

💪 😩 💦 💦 💯

hopefully they will

[turbid mauve]

i want carnos to look stupid fighting steg. but i know alot of people cater to the carnivore side, so, i had to put in something to give them something if that makes sense. like for example one head shotting the poor stupid stego who wasn't aware of its surrounding and got ambushed.

[paper oriole]

Carno should not oneshot an adult stego under any circumstance

[turbid mauve]

see? its just rhetoric and perception people.

[paper oriole]

It is a small game hunter and should be balanced around this in the future

[patent garden]

im pretty sure the dev team has a lot of the same nostalgia the player base does, which may be why they added allosaurus -- so they might actually add diplodocus 😌 🙏

[turbid mauve]

i dont wanna be timing my tail swings good like that shit get old, you feel?

[steady lintel]

I much rather fight carno rn rather then Utah as a stego

Utah’s can just rack up head shots

[patent garden]

i thought utah's pounce was wack?

[paper oriole]

Yeah also carno is just less gross to look at than utah

[steady lintel]

Easy to hit Utah’s off in my opinion

A good Utah prob wouldn’t use pounce against stego it doesn’t need it

[paper oriole]

Annoying to die to something with such a bad model, though i dont even really bother with stego so i avoid it anyway

[patent garden]

:( f

[floral saffron]

u had me on board in ur last mssg but what is this ^. u wanna increase carni skill level requirements and decrease them for herbis. i - herbs have free food all over the map. carnis need to hunt ai and players to live. why would THAT be balancing

[hazy sparrow]

Does anyone know if wind will ever play a factor in hunting? (Upwind/Downwind - Scents carry farther, etc.)

[patent garden]

rn honestly, the game's in a state where i only play things that take an hour tops to play, so dryo, ptera, and the occasional utah

[paper oriole]

Utahs can 2v1 and even 1v1 stegos at times its dumb

[patent garden]

itd be interesting, but realistically speaking a bit difficult to implement and not too impactful on gameplay imo

[hazy sparrow]

It would have an impact, but I see what you're saying 🙂

[turbid mauve]

I am introducing my common sense balancing so there's that in my suggestion.

[floral saffron]

i kinda dont mind utahs being such formidable animals, they kinda should be. and i dont play utah, like ever, so they're always predators for me

[patent garden]

ive heard some people mention warm drafts for flyers tho, which could be interesting

rn there's just no point in being a stego

deinos can 1v1 them, utahs can 1v1 them, carnos can 1v1 them

[steady lintel]

Utah’s imo should be pack animals and able to kill a lot of stuff using tactics like that but not currently how they can solo something that should be dangerous to them

[patent garden]

^

[floral saffron]

ok ok ok so. u want "common sense" balancing, which is basically just the theory of "in a 1 v 1 between x & y who wins" applied in game. which i suppose is the carno vs stego analogy, correct?

[turbid mauve]

Correct, sir or madam.

[cedar pulsar]

stego really needs a quicker tail attack imo

[patent garden]

^

[cedar pulsar]

a fast swipe you can use on the move or something

[patent garden]

and less stam

[paper oriole]

Stego needs a better aoe and to be able to swing while walking and trotting

[patent garden]

i mean less stam to swing* not less stam overall

[steady lintel]

Stego needs a crowd control alt attack

A big wide spin swing thingy

Would be brutal

[paper oriole]

The jab, a sweep for less damage but more coverage, walking swing, and its attacks to not be so ridiculously draining

[cedar pulsar]

balance is in a decent place imo, but as always could be better

[patent garden]

stegos should be something you shouldnt fuck with at all...... especially not with the current roster. stegos are literally deino's worst matchup (since they punish slow powerful carnis) and yet they can get 1v1'd easily right now with deino's stamless alt bite and stuns

[paper oriole]

Its already a slow animal that cant hide, it should have the overwhelming advantage against faster predators

[rugged quarry]

Holy shit I just learned so much about obscure dinos just by looking back at the fossil fighters roster

[patent garden]

^ again, especially against the current weaker roster

[rugged quarry]

Nostalgia blast

[cedar pulsar]

I hope in this hot fix they make deino’s alt bite take some stamina

[patent garden]

i know they'll get a buff later on when more dinos get added, but rn they're already getting stomped by midtiers.....

stego's survival model irl, due to its pea-sized brain, was literally "stupid but strong" -- so why is it so punishing for players to miss a single swing?

[floral saffron]

ok, well theres an issue with that. it is extreeeemely difficult to make game mechanics that make that work. you will always have rediculous scenes like a pack of carnos or utahs taking on a herd of stegos, knowing that they'll lose some but hoping they take out the other party first and survive themselves. much of that "common sense" is based off of animal behavior, and humans generally don't behave like animals. we do risk assessments, decide what would be more fun vs best for our survival, and assume strength in numbers, a concept which most animals do not consider, making us more likely to take those risks, like being the dino equivalent of a cheetah attacking a buffalo. i can't think of any functional way to force that "common sense" behavior in game either, so i think what you're really after is a hardcore realism server, not a balance change.

[steady lintel]

I’ve fought deinos on land before that literally just will continue to spin around and bite with alt attack even when I’m not going in

Kinda dumb

[floral saffron]

long winded so sorry about the book but that's my best explanation

[paper oriole]

Its getting stomped by a couple utahs when it should take a reasonably sized pack, and small game hunters that shouldn’t even be trying for it to begin with

[patent garden]

^

[paper oriole]

And those two predators are often in large groups

So when a stego is spotted it may as well just submit and think about what it will play next

Because you can kill 10 utahs/carnos and more often come

[patent garden]

yeah, and for it to take the same amount as a deino to grow, and yet have far less survivability (especially considering it doesnt have to worry about starvation since its a herbi).... it's pathetic.

[rugged quarry]

Y’all ever heard of a Aerosteon

[paper oriole]

They should have waited on stego rather than add it early and make it trash like legacy trike

[rugged quarry]

Bet ya haven’t

[paper oriole]

Its a theropod right

[rugged quarry]

Ya

Or a fuckin Nipponosaurus

Orlotitan

[floral saffron]

i love steg but fair. i played rex a lot and if i saw a lone trike i would hunt it almost every. single. time.

[paper oriole]

Heard of orlo before

[patent garden]

yeah... kinda tired of the isle devs just making herbis walking happy meals. herbi vs carni fights should always favor the herbi because carnis ALWAYS come in packs -- herbis can rarely find herds to play with in evrima

[turbid mauve]

Most herbivores do stick together in real life, in attempts to achieve survivaability of their species though?

[paper oriole]

Nothing should have its viability balanced around being in a group though

[rugged quarry]

Or a fuggin Thalassodromeus

[cedar pulsar]

i mean tenonto can absolutely slaughter carnos and utahs

if it’s not stupid

[steady lintel]

Water buffalo vs lion in a 1v1 prob would have the Buffalo win most the time

[paper oriole]

Heard of thalasso

[rugged quarry]

Neovenator mayhaps?

[turbid mauve]

Well carnivores is literally balanced around being in mega packs at this point, so whats you're point?

[paper oriole]

Think somebody wanted thalasso in the isle actually

Neo is actuallt somewhat well known

[paper oriole]

They arent though?

[floral saffron]

yes but that's not because they're smart enough to consciously do so. its because evolution has drilled it into their genome to feel comfortable in a herd, and uncomfortable alone. herd/pack animals naturally seek out other animals to herd/pack with not because they know there's strength in numbers, but because they feel better when with others, even if they're not of the same species.

[paper oriole]

It is easy to make megapacks with carnis but they arent helpless alone

[patent garden]

? ive literally had quite a few encounters in a utah pack where we had 6 utah adults against a group of 4 tenontos, we slaughtered 2 of them easily with no deaths on our side. they weren't even dumb tenontos, they knew how to buck and got off a few good hits

[turbid mauve]

You don't see a lone utah surviving for long, yo.

[patent garden]

they were simply outnumbered, like herbis ALWAYS are in this game, and especially in evrima

[rugged quarry]

Futabasaurus????

[paper oriole]

Depends on the server they are in, a utah can easily scavenge and even solo stegos if it isnt braindead

[patent garden]

^

carnis can survive easily

[floral saffron]

ive survived till server wipe as one. admittedly, i mostly hunted ai, but i wasn't out of danger by any means either.

[steady lintel]

F...fut...futa

[rugged quarry]

Mihunekisaurus (in game model had swords on its fucking face)

[turbid mauve]

So what if they're confident in numbers? They're still protected.

[patent garden]

in my experience, as a loner (i.e, without a herd), the only herbivore i've been able to survive as and actually enjoy playing is dryo

[paper oriole]

Futalognkosaurus

[steady lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[floral saffron]

struggling to see your point again

[patent garden]

a lone tenonto is just begging for death

a lone stego gets demolished in 2 seconds

hypsi is........... hypsi

[floral saffron]

kinda tru tbh. thats why i stopped playing them, could never find a herd

[paper oriole]

If herbis have their balance based around being in a group it actually makes it harder for them to find a group

[rugged quarry]

Maybe you should get good and play mihu and get some swords bruh

[paper oriole]

Rn it seems that herbis are only designed to provide mild amusement to the other faction and then die

[floral saffron]

your words, they interest me. explain?

[paper oriole]

How so?

[turbid mauve]

I JUST WANT CARNO TO BE STUPID ATTACKING A STEGO CAUSE IT SHOULDNT BE ABLE TO TACKLE A EVEN BRAINDEAD STEGO, without the element of surprise. AND IF THESE CHEETAHS WANTS TO ATTACK THE BUFFALO THEN they'll FRAIL selves Will be flicked OUT OF EXISTENCE.

[steady lintel]

No duh there’s evidence allos got there ass beat

[patent garden]

and for anyone who's about to say "if you're a herbi just go off into a more secluded part of the map!!11" this is a fuckin multiplayer game dude... plus, since everyone needs water and deinos are literally in every part of the water, a herbi cant avoid dying to deinos unless they go to a shallow area (where they then might die to terrestrial carnis instead)

[steady lintel]

No matter how dumb the stego is they could fight

[floral saffron]

how does it make it harder to find a group except that most of ur species lives in pockets instead of being spread out where ur more likely to run into them, or is that the reason and i just consciously overlooked it 😂

[patent garden]

it is way harder to survive as a herbi than as a carni rn, and that is.... simply dumb as hell

herbis should be the easier faction to play, not the harder one

[rugged quarry]

Lexovisaurus is a kentro fella with a cooler name

[paper oriole]

Ok, see if you balance something so it is only viable in a group, less lone players pick that animal and you are less likely to run across them. After all, why play something so weak it needs a group to survive? Even when you are with friends, it still seems like the inferior gameplay experience

[turbid mauve]

Say it louder for the people in THE BACK, please.

[rugged quarry]

Tbh just slap the model in with the name

[turbid mauve]

Goodnight.

[paper oriole]

It should be easier to defend than to attack, for sure, and this is where herbis usually are

[cedar pulsar]

im hopeful that the next patch will give stego some love and make it actually threatening

[patent garden]

the only dino that should be "viable" only in a group should be utahs, but even then they should be able to take on prey smaller than them like dryos

[paper oriole]

If it is too slow to run and hide it should have the overwhelming melee advantage, which does go along with what Class was saying, as awkward as it is to agree with him

[patent garden]

^

[turbid mauve]

That's like saying why to pick dryo or hypsi because of its irrelevance of existence.

[patent garden]

again, few word do trick

[paper oriole]

Utahs are viable alone, the only thing they should have balanced around being in numbers is their selection of victims

[patent garden]

^

thats what i meant lol just said it poorly

[paper oriole]

How? Some people like being fast and sneaky, but the slow herbis should have the melee advantage

[turbid mauve]

I want the trex DOWN, like now.

[patent garden]

? ? ?

[paper oriole]

What lol

[rugged quarry]

Altispinax...based concavenator imo

[floral saffron]

ok so. u may not have noticed. but isle physics do not equal read world physics. a cheetah who trys to attack the thick wall of meat which are buffaloes get fucking bodied because they cant just do drive-by's knowing the animals fucking move set and that if it taps it's noggin it can't turn fast enough to hit it. the same is not true in game for stego vs carno, which can charge thru its face (literally) and won't give a fuck, and can just pummel the poor thing to death. animals irl also don't have a health pool, u can chew on a buffalo's tail till the end of time but unless that bite gets a real bad infection, it aint going down. video games can try to simulate real life, but they can never perfectly mimic it. which is why i said it doesn't work in game design, and what ur actually after is a hardcore realism server.

[patent garden]

i do think that collision / trampling should be more prioritized for dynamic battles tho

[turbid mauve]

You have heard of collision being in the game?

Right?

[rugged quarry]

Alioramus purdy neat

[turbid mauve]

why did i even explain this to u if u was just gonna rip my point apart with more points i can't formulate a counterargument for cause its the of the goddam night and im sleepy ashell.

[cedar pulsar]

first please make bleed more of an actual problem then just something in the background

[floral saffron]

i agree, trampling in particular is a HELLA necessary part of game design, but it doesn't make sense for in game collision to be accurate to real life either if ur only move set is biting, because that reduces literally every fight to tanking hits and ass riding like legacy again. if you want a fast predator to have "common sense behavior," which would be running in, delivering 1 hit, and staying running without ever stopping, u can't make collision too realistic or they'll never pull it off.

[rugged quarry]

I think this is just funny

He has the whale tail despite having full ass legs

[cedar pulsar]

pakicetus do be a mammal

[icy lion]

lets keep this on topic, thanks

[turbid mauve]

you sound like a Karen

Goodnight.

[icy lion]

be civil

[steady lintel]

Karen is OFFENSIVE AHSJAKSH

[floral saffron]

u almost got me there, i'll admit. got real close to getting an actual response. instead i'll just point out the obvious, which is that ur just pissed that i proved u wrong. twice. goodnight

[patent garden]

i think the best gameplay dynamic would incorporate collision tho, since carnis would be encouraged to mostly bait and bite then dash away, instead of just running thru and biting like in legacy

i dont think collision would encourage assriding since there'd be tail collision

[floral saffron]

100% agree, and i wasn't arguing against collision, only perfectly accurate collision which takes every toe nail into account

[patent garden]

so they'd hit the tail first and not the body (depending on the dino)

oh yeah no

that's stupid

general collision would be good and hopefully they'll work out the desync and lag issues...

[floral saffron]

yessss ^^^ let us pray to the dev gods for improved performance and combat mechanics 🙏

[rugged quarry]

Stupendemys for river based raid boss ai

[patent garden]

big turtle would get dunked on by deinos

[rugged quarry]

But he big big

Turtles do interesting things to not get chomped

[patent garden]

dont crocs eat turtles

considering they've got super powerful bite forces

[rugged quarry]

Large turtles with swim sideways so the top of the shell is facing a predator making it impossible to bite down on.

[patent garden]

wouldnt they just push on one half to tip it back over...

or come up from the bottom

or have buddies like deinos almost always do

idk i think it'd be 1. too easy of a meal and 2. too easy of a "raid boss"

[rugged quarry]

https://youtu.be/T0Ug30db6gE

Commentary is stupid but I imagine it doing this type of thing

Plus it’s massive. Probably too massive for a single Deino

[patent garden]

tbf sharks are stupid

[full canopy]

once again I have grown a Deino and don't know how to play as it. I wanna go make deino friends but everyone just kills on sight so I guess I better not

[limber hull]

i just had the worst experience ever against deinos

couldnt eat anything because if you killed anything near their river, they would know and immediately waltz up to steal it

you couldn't drag the thing away fast enough to prevent them from doing this

so i just got to starve to death as i continually killed things

because deino was simply right there

[full canopy]

nvm a bigger deino found me, ignored all the food around because its more fun to be a shithead and killed me

im not mad

It is kind of fascinating that the deino, for some reason, seems to attract mainly fucknuts and assholes

[limber hull]

it sucks how absolutely oppressive this dino is, and if you try to fight it, it can turn around instantly

dead

like i can't get any food because everyone plays deino and i cant swim, the only thing that really gets to eat deinos are deinos

i dont even care that they kill people fast, the worst part about it, for me, is the fact that they will just completely lock down entire areas

because they realise once they are full sized, why ambush when you can simply scare people away from kills and eat that instead

[full canopy]

yeah most Deino players are massive assholes and I don't know why

[limber hull]

its not even the asshole nature

its the fact that it's optimal to scare off other carnivores and steal their kills

[full canopy]

a huge reason for this drought of food is the lack of herbivore players

when you make the carnivores so blatantly more fun, no one will play the herbies

Dryo has nothing going for it att all so there's no reason to play it, and Hypsi shouldn't even be in the game yet as it is so clearly not a finished product

[limber hull]

i entirely agree

hypsi and dryo are so lame

even the burrow ability from legacy would be nice

[hoary dawn]

everything in the game isn't a finished product

[brave nova]

They have to sort the deino's eating. Right now the deino can eat forever for some reason, and I often see deinos abuse this to just remove any corpse they can't carry into the water.

[limber hull]

wait really

they don't throw up?

[patent garden]

is it a glitch?

[brave nova]

no, they don't even stop eating. They can literally delete an unlimited amount of corpses.

[patent garden]

??? what the hell

what about pteras?

[brave nova]

pteras throw up like they're supposed to.

[limber hull]

deinos are already really bad when it comes to corpse economy. If they can not only drag food into water where it's safe from other dinos but also eat infinitely, that makes them REALLY bad for the overall food chain they have going on

[patent garden]

😩

stupid discount gators

[brave nova]

On our training server we usually have someone play croc just to clean up corpses lol

[odd sedge]

Kirby crocs

[limber hull]

i like croc conceptually, i really do

but the bastards are just massive annoyances when it comes to dealing with them as another carnivore

[patent garden]

if it makes you feel better they're pretty obnoxious as a herbivore too

[limber hull]

fair but at least they don't completely steal any form of your food

constantly

[full canopy]

can you scent a corpse if its being carried?

[patent garden]

yuh

can smell meat chunks people carry, too

it even moves with them in real-time

[full canopy]

ooh

[desert rain]

@kind fiber tracking other animals is easy especially if you have a ptera as scout, also if you stream then people will track you easily, dont really think that they cheat

[inner tide]

having a pt scout u and them telling other dinos is mixpacking :p

[kind fiber]

I don't think you're witnessing what is happening, even after splitting from the group and wallowing there's still no struggle at all for some players to just appear right where I am, and yes they could be stream sniping, which I can't report regardless, I've also seen players track crocs underwater whilst on land, like as if they can see under the water

[inner tide]

so having a scout in general is kinda cheating

unless its a pt scouting for another pt

[urban flax]

It's not cheating if it's intended in the game mechanics

[desert rain]

You can actually track crocs, if they bleed u can follow the trail and if the water isnt deep enough you can see the crock a bit through the water its prob a bug. Streamsniping may be the problem though, still there should be a anticheat and a way to report those people

[inner tide]

its not

[inner tide]

he was teno

[kind fiber]

Fair enough, yeah I just want a way to report so in case it is the case they're cheating or sniping I will feel as if something might be done.

[desert rain]

its surely not cheating and on a no rules servers its allowed to mixpack

[kind fiber]

Understandable that there's no rules on mixpacking, however it gives those who mixpacking a really unfair advantage to any "pvp" or battles due to info they shouldn't have if they played within the same species, anyway mix packers is all I hunt now 🙂

[desert rain]

that is true, mixpacking and overpacking are the most annoying things in the game probably

good luck hunting

[inner tide]

i dont really have too much of a problem with mega packing, bc i would rather mega pack then cannibalize one of my own

cause that shit annoys me

but it annoys me when i go carno and i get cannibalized then 10mins later i see a mega pack of carnos, so i dont play that dogshit

so if u mega pack as carnos u geay

[desert rain]

overpopulation leads to cannibalism, i rather get cannibalised rather than get chased by 10 carnos or be in a group of 10 carnos killing everything that moves and not being able to counter it, the gameplay gets boring quick thats why people cannibalise, if you want to avoid cannibals then dont play deinos and possibly carnos

[inner tide]

i dont

i play utah teno pt and sometimes steg. just bc of that reason

and then i set my goal to kill the mega packs

and half the time when i do get a mega pack they split off in like 10mins

[odd sedge]

I don't mind Pteras mixpacking with other stuff as a type of symbiotic relationship.
You can't prevent that stuff from happening, except move away

Which is easy because Pteras can't fly very well in forests

[inner tide]

we were running away getting tracked through a forest

😛 just run

[odd sedge]

Well they can see footprints if they sniff

Just crouch and hide

[inner tide]

just hide 😛

[odd sedge]

Well it's a survival game after all

[inner tide]

u cant hide when a pt is 1 calling over ur head

[odd sedge]

how do you manage to get found by a ptera

In a forest

[inner tide]

idk

thats what im asking

[odd sedge]

That's not the Games fault

[inner tide]

ahahah

ur one of those

just git good 😛

i would smack u 1v1

[odd sedge]

Well I mean yeah.
If you get managed to get found by something that can't even enter a forest then you suck at hiding pal

[inner tide]

ahahah

just hide 😛

[odd sedge]

I am not saying I'm a good fighter.
But I do play Ptera a lot to be able to say that flying through a forest is nearly impossible

[inner tide]

i did hide

i did run

and they still found me

ur just bad then 😛

thats the only option

[odd sedge]

If you didn't crouch then they could sniff you out

[inner tide]

i cant crouch as a teno m8

[odd sedge]

I never said I was good to begin with

[odd sedge]

For gods sake that changes everything.
Of course they found you!
They can smell you

[desert rain]

keep it civilized pls

[odd sedge]

If you can't crouch, of course they are going to find you

You could partly argue that things like Tenos should get a way to crouch now, but this isn't the Pteras fault.
They could track you, not because someone was doing something impossible like flying through a dense forest, no, they could smell you

[inner tide]

so do i just hide and just run then. 😛

or whats ur argument there

what do u suggest i do then

[safe galleon]

Run into forest, hide, try to make sure it can’t smell/track you

[inner tide]

how

[odd sedge]

Wallow

[inner tide]

i cant wallow cause im in a forest

i cant crouch bc im teno

i cant outrun 5 utahs and 1 pt

[desert rain]

sometimes you just fail, someone outsmarts you, you cant win them all and will die eventually. If you get into a fight then theres a chance where u die

[inner tide]

i died bc of a pt mixpacking

thats not being outsmarted

[odd sedge]

No you didnt

[inner tide]

yes i did

[odd sedge]

The Ptera cannot track you through forests

[inner tide]

he was in the forest 1 calling over my head

he did m8

[desert rain]

cant really change it anymore can you

[odd sedge]

No

[inner tide]

im not asking to

im saying if u mixpack ur geay

end of discusion

[desert rain]

u could just move on

[brave nova]

5 utahs can easily track you through a forest without air support

[inner tide]

but u guys want to prove to me that its my fault

and that mixpacking is ok

[odd sedge]

Yikes

[inner tide]

yeah but they didnt

[safe galleon]

There’s patches of mud all over the map, just learn where they are.
Go into a forest or juke the ptera.
Teno shouldn’t even be alone in the first place. There’s utahs everywhere even if there wasn’t a ptera a group of utahs would find you

[odd sedge]

☝️

[inner tide]

that comes with time

[odd sedge]

Experience

It's a survival game. You are gonna fail at the beginning and get better

[desert rain]

if you die no matter how then it is ur fault in some part, if you wouldnt start the fight or avoid it then you wouldnt die so the decisions you make can be bad making it also ur fault

[safe galleon]

I’m not saying mixpacking is ok, I’m just saying that there’s ways to avoid the scenario you were in

[inner tide]

ur not getting any of what i am saying are u

i died

bc of a pt was 1 calling over my head

followed me in the forest

[odd sedge]

No

[inner tide]

made the utahs kill me

i didnt fight them

[desert rain]

even the best players in any games fail, you cannot outsmart them all and win in 100% of times

[odd sedge]

It literally can't do that

[inner tide]

i was avoiding them

i dont get how this even came to this

[desert rain]

he was mixpacking, or he could be random annoying ptera but it doesnt really matter

[inner tide]

i was arguing over mixpacking and cannibals

and now im arguing over on how i died to it

and u guys feel the need to write me and essay. i feel honored ❤️

[desert rain]

cannibalism is part of the game and mixpacking might get fixed with time or just go on a server where mixpacking is not allowed

[inner tide]

when u can say the same thing about mixpacking, and cannibalism. if u want to mixpack and cannibalize go to a server

its common sense to not mixpack with a stego with a deino.

and common sense to not eat ur own species

especially with utah cause they are pack hunters

[desert rain]

dont get me wrong, I myself hate mixpacking cuz its killing the games balance and purpose in some part and I myself dont cannibalise and got killed many times to cannibals but I still feel like its kinda needed to balance the overpopulated species

[desert rain]

Deinos and carnos mostly cannibalise, I rarely see utahs who kill other utahs

[inner tide]

i have

[desert rain]

when there were no carnos nor deinos then utahs did cannibalise alot due to its overpopulation, playing overpopulated species gets boring quick and people seek for anything to do, by cannibalising they might force someone to change the class they play to a herbi for example

[brave nova]

Forgive my ignorance, but isn't a monolophosaurus just a dilophosaurus with less lophs?

[odd sedge]

Yeah... I don't really see the use for Mono personally since it's just a worse Dilo in my opinion

The tiring out part is literally Dilo with both venom and bleed.
Stealth as well, since Dilo is more of a night-ambush hunter

[fading fjord]

#DILO HOUR

[odd sedge]

Making it arboreal makes it a worse Herrera on the other hand

Sure, chameleon color change sounds dope on paper but you can hardly execute that in a game

[brave nova]

@fading fjord why do you have so much against my suggestion to make WASD only control horizontal movement?

[urban flax]

That's not the suggestion
That's because he hates you

[brave nova]

this much is obvious, but I thought I'd challenge him on it anyway as that shouldn't have anything to do with it

downvoting a feedback post because you dislike someone instead of the merits of the suggestion itself is just childish

[urban flax]

Yes

[fading fjord]

[fading fjord]

Wrong.

U hilarous Bubu

No hate here, not a hater.

[urban flax]

Then why those reactions ? If you disagree with something, you can just put an X

[fading fjord]

Wrong again Bu.

[urban flax]

wdym ? You can't put an X if you disagree ?

[fading fjord]

I can put em all if i want, just sayin.

I dont like the "X"

Not original.

[urban flax]

It's the clearest way to show you dislike an opinion without looking like a hater tho

You don't need to be original to express disagreement

Especially if being original implies being insulting

[fading fjord]

Ppl dont know me, im not like everybody, they dont understand me, so why judge?

[limber hull]

my man used three "your opinion is shit" emotes and is trying to talk his way out of it

[limber hull]

this is the funniest shit i have read all day tho

[odd sedge]

Putting a 💩 instead of ❌
Is neither mature, constructive nor creative

[fading fjord]

This is good feedback

[halcyon cave]

dead asss

[brave nova]

ikr, and nothing yet on what is even wrong with it, just unrelated rambling lol

[limber hull]

"im not like everybody, they don't understand me", the majority of edgy teens said

[brittle ivy]

That’s an awful excuse and you know it. Put an X and stop abusing the emotes. It invites others to continue insults and spell inflammatory remarks as seen in the past.

This is your sole warning.

[odd sedge]

The owl has spoken!

[fading fjord]

Noted.

May i put a different emote, not the "X", but only 1, no abuse, just different.

[brittle ivy]

Why do you need to be ‘different’? Just put an X and call it a day.

[fading fjord]

Not the X

Plz

[brave nova]

or better yet, discuss why the suggestion is bad if that's your opinion

[odd sedge]

This is getting a little ridiculous

[fading fjord]

I will get 2 that

[brittle ivy]

I’m growing annoyed, either place the X and/or discuss what you don’t like or move on.

Not a request

[fading fjord]

May we discuss this l8r?

[odd sedge]

I mean.. there isn't really a discussion in the first place because no one is against the suggestion

[desert rain]

why you still arguing i dont get it

[fading fjord]

Turbo, about youre suggestion, its bad, air, like water movement, is "kinda" the same, with small differences, in the air, as it is, for Ptera, it gives the possibility to make the movements you want, theres just something you are forgetting, wheres is your right hand when you flying as a ptera? (Im gonna be more civil and not make a lame joke here), "Space key" & "Z" do the rest of the tricks. Havent played with the "ALT" 2 much as birb, but theres magic in it, i know it.

#MasterRace #TopGun #DeathComesFromTheSkies

[fading fjord]

Not arguing, i just like to make a fool of myself.

But i wont put an X

I was also getting annoyed, not fun situation.

Move on.

[odd sedge]

I don't really unterstand the argument.
But you can't really compare swimming to flying since flying can decide over life and death when you sink down while pressing forward unlike with deino (in most cases)

Deino doesn't have to maintain a certain level to catch fish, Ptera does

[fading fjord]

Height&Depth kill

[odd sedge]

Don't get me wrong, Ptera is viable right now it's just annoying

[fading fjord]

Gravity has killed more dinos then half TI pop, PvP amongus.

GG Dondi

[odd sedge]

[brave nova]

Actually, free look with ALT doesn't even work with ptera. But that would only make it a little bit better, still would prefer W and S didn't change the altitude. And I don't see how "where is your right hand" addresses the issue. I need to look around instead of always pointing the camera in the direction I'm going.

[fading fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/it-will-kill-forged-in-fire-gif-14427167

[odd sedge]

I feel like you don't even want to discuss this

[limber hull]

he doesn't

[odd sedge]

Well they should stop trying then

[ionic arch]

@nova loom good I was going to suggest that

[fading fjord]

Actually, made you think, ALT key has bird, might be, good discussion, not 4 me, because i havent played much, only make it little bit better? Wdym? You say: "i dont see how...." and then after you say: "I need to look around...", youre right hand holds your mouse&" camera"? Or am i wrong?

[urban flax]

I don't like the iidea of letting herbivores mixpack but not carnivores
This is portraying carnivores as the bad guys and they should get the same treatment as herbivores

[odd sedge]

[ionic arch]

Because herbivores make herd

[fading fjord]

Not me, right?

[ionic arch]

Like to go in the nesting ground or whatever

[odd sedge]

I don't hate mixpacking for herbs to make a herd, but I want that communication barrier

[urban flax]

And carnivores don't make packs ?

If you allow herbivores to mixherd, then allow carnivores to mixpack as well

[ionic arch]

No we are talking about huge pack with different species, carnivores don't do that

[fading fjord]

Herbivore mix complements itself in a very fine tuned way.

[desert rain]

harbivores are kinda a exeption for mixpacking imo, they get nothing for killing eachothers and they shouldnt

[urban flax]

Or as Ovi said, don't give any of them interspecies communication tools

[fading fjord]

Carnivores its diff

[fading fjord]

Maybe this, and more.

[brave nova]

I think herbivores should be able to talk to each other, that would encourage them to gather in bigger herds and probably make more people wanna play herb too. I think grouping should stay as per species though

[urban flax]

Carnivores should not be forced to kill each others while herbivores are allowed to make huge mixherds

[ionic arch]

Yes

[odd sedge]

I don't mind Dyros calling when they spot a carnivore to warn the others but I don't want them to be like “Utah pack on the left“.
I want players to use their calls to communicate

[urban flax]

^

[brave nova]

An added bonus of interspecies chat for herbs would be more chatter would make them easier to find

[urban flax]

Or less calls

Which would make them harder to find

[odd sedge]

The point is, I don't want it to be easy to communicate

With other species that is

If you don't speak the same language as someone and try to warn them of danger, you'd scream and go apesh*t to get their attention.

And so should creatures act when they form a herbi herd

[brave nova]

A stego talking with a dryo in modern english is no more unrealistic than it speaking to another stego.

[odd sedge]

How?
How is two animals of the same species communicating unrealistic?

[vestal rune]

the dinosaurs aren't literally speaking modern english, they're just communicating and its translated into english or whatever other human language so we can understand

[odd sedge]

A dog and an elephant can't communicate.
But the animals can take recognized body language and threats

[brave nova]

Carnivores aren't forced to kill each other, they just aren't encouraged to cooperate

[odd sedge]

Yes. That's the point.
You can ““realistically““ communicate with other species.
Allowing herbs to talk to each other of different species however makes no sense

[vestal rune]

you can communicate with other herbi species just fine using calls, no need for anything more

[odd sedge]

☝️

[brave nova]

You could communicate with your own species using calls too, but text chat is more convenient

[odd sedge]

How?

[vestal rune]

no, he said you should be able to "communicate" with other herbis using calls, but not by chatting, which is what I said

[brave nova]

This is also true for animals of the same species, not counting us of course

[vestal rune]

animals of the same species often have ways of communicating with each other, you can just exaggerate that in the isle for "genetically modified animal" reasons

[odd sedge]

Yes.
Because I am against different species being able to chat.
By using calls, like 4 or 2 call, you can communicate well enough because of body language and sound

Which is what we have currently

[vestal rune]

ye, there's literally no reason for cross-species chat

[brave nova]

I listed several reasons already

[vestal rune]

that's literally what icky said

[odd sedge]

Because you can.
You can two call other creatures and they know you are friendly.
This is all the communication it needs, hence why I don't want stegos and dryos to chat over text

That's what I've been trying to say the entire time

[vivid tulip]

in real life there are birds and other animals warning prey animals about the presence of predators

[brave nova]

1. Make it easier for herbis to organize bigger, diverse herds
2. Make herbi gameplay more enjoyable and increase the herbi population
3. Make herbis more noisy as a result of increased chatter

[vestal rune]

1. You don't need cross-species chat for this
2. You don't need cross-species chat for this
3. They are noisy enough already, plus F calls are quiet

[odd sedge]

1. It shouldn't be easier
2. How does that correlate
3. Using calls is even more noisy, since 1 call is louder than chat-call

[brave nova]

You may dismiss those reasons at will, but don't pretend there are no reasons for it

[vestal rune]

they aren't real reasons

[brave nova]

"You don't need cross-species chat for this"
Absolutely correct, discord works too.

[odd sedge]

Why are we even discussing this?
The devs won't put it in. Same as global chat

[vivid tulip]

i mean true

discord is good enough

[brave nova]

Why? Mega herds are much more enjoyable both to be part of and to hunt imo.

[vivid tulip]

thing is, if a someone wants to make a megaherd, discord is there too

or just look at the typical "HARDCORE"" survival games

with all their zerg clans and groups

[ionic arch]

When you guys use this reaction:⏲️

Does that mean you like it and it'll come later?

[vestal rune]

ye it means it's already planned

[vivid tulip]

for me personally alll of these herd problems are just solvedby : SERVER HAVING RULES basically

[brave nova]

⏲️ means it's already planned

[ionic arch]

Because yesterday I suggested that:

Fish in the ocean so some semi-aquatic like Spino could feed on fish and would prefer to stay there to grow big enough before confronting someone.. also, if they want to live Peacefully they'll need to walk from their spawn to the ocean, and maybe a 25% juvie Spino or less could gain water even tho it's the ocean (salt water) so it'll prevent adults to camps there

But I don't know if people really like this suggestion only because of salt water being drinkable for some semi-aquatic like Spino..

[vestal rune]

I think it's just because they plan to add AI in the ocean

[ionic arch]

So for a juvie Spino being able to drink salt water is good or not? Because I can edit it's and remove that part

[vestal rune]

eh, they talked about spino being an ocean animal in the past, which would fit that, but more recently it seems like it's planned to be inland in like rivers and stuff

[ionic arch]

[vestal rune]

since one of the concepts is that spino can't really swim up or down like deino can, rather it always water walks and can run full speed no matter how deep in water it is

ofc spino is still up to change, there's no concrete concept yet

[brave nova]

If they guard you keep taking them out until either they take the hint or bodies are spread too far to guard effectively

[ionic arch]

Why can't it's swim down or up?

[vestal rune]

ah yes, let me keep taking out trikes

[vestal rune]

it's just a concept they had, it lives like a hippo which just runs along the riverbed

[ionic arch]

Ohh I remember yes

But it's sail won't show above water?

I remember Dondi saying that if you ever go to a swamp you really want to be aware of your surroundings

And that the swamp will be deep enough for a spino to hide under water

[vestal rune]

well depends on how deep the water is

[brave nova]

the swamp is deep enough for a spino to hide under water

[brave nova]

trikes aren't even in and won't be for a long time. The strategy works against a herd of stegos though

[vestal rune]

@hard rivet devs aren't obligated to pander to every change an unofficial server wants, this is still there game, and they will remove any mechanic they see that is harming it. Eventually mod support will be implemented which will allow unofficial servers to change things, and almost certainly allow global chat back

[vestal rune]

I don't think so, unless they're all bad stegos

[fading fjord]

[brave nova]

tbf, in a big herd most of them will be

but even if they were all decent they can't guard forever

[fading fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-way-all-wrong-wrong-path-walk-walking-wrong-gif-13639876

Walking with the wrong crowd be like.

[brave nova]

Not even trying to pretend you're not just spamming now, I see

[proven sandal]

Guys, what is the difference between master volume and sfx ?

[brave nova]

master is both sfx and music together

[still raptor]

Global chat:

A lot more of this

[lucid mauve]

oh no bad words in a video game, lets remove it. Its not normal. Pls

[limber hull]

i dont think that's the point being made

[still raptor]

It's not

Unless you're the type of person who likes slurs being spammed because they got killed.

[lucid mauve]

Stop spamming pictures, its more times where its not like that. And you can choose to dont have it

if you dont like slurs, you shouldt be playing any online video games.

[still raptor]

That's some great advice!

[lucid mauve]

Thank you : )

[limber hull]

im not one who cares about slurs or that shit, don't care what people say to me, but i still don't like global. I prefer meeting and talking only to my own species near me

[lucid mauve]

No problem, you can choose to have that then 🙂

[limber hull]

i can

because i already do

which is great

[lucid mauve]

Yea, but not everyone prefer what you do

[tawny juniper]

agreed, Before you could literally sit in a bush with food and water near you and chat forever, when it was removed I found myself out and exploring more and having more fun

[limber hull]

thats true

[odd sedge]

We don't need global chat to let admins operate.

• Reports are filled over discord anyways, even in legacy
• Admins can adress players and events over the broadcasting function
• Global chat => the horror survival game experience that the devs want

There is no need

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

[limber hull]

as a game designer who has worked as a Lead Design, not every change will be met with praise, some changes will be quite divisive, but are necessary to achieve your overall vision for the game

the change to remove global chat was controversial, but imo, helps the game's atmosphere and design

[odd sedge]

The servers even have a discord button (don't know if it works) so operate over discord and let the devs do what they want with their game

[compact hare]

Howhever I think we should get a type of admin/mod private chat or something, It might be confirmed I cant remember well..

[limber hull]

admin chat is def a good thing

can't deny that

[still raptor]

It is

[compact hare]

nice nice

[odd sedge]

Perfect, so lets stop whining about it being removed

[lucid mauve]

Sure, then keep it on officials but let the community servers choose what they want. So people can prefer what they want.

[odd sedge]

Because it's getting annoying

[tawny juniper]

I think they should have an ingame ticket system that's toggleable for servers, If a mod was online it could give them a notification, and could potentially stretch onto pinging in discord

[odd sedge]

There is literally no need tho

[fading fjord]

Dont be so harsh, on global chat "issue", there might be a good solution for it, just sayin, im not in favour, of having it, with like "No filters", like what we had in Legacy, or some previous versions of EVRIMA. But its a very valid discussion and maybe needed.

[still raptor]

But officials are how the game is going to be officially played. No need for it on officials when they removed it for the official experience.

[limber hull]

ive worked for a game which left core features up to the server host, rather than actually making decisions, and it really hurt the core game experience, because it created a level of divide between how members thought the game should be played and often confused players

[lucid mauve]

Thats like saying no mod in ARK, cus you need to play it like we have it.

[fading fjord]

Keep it Real

[tawny juniper]

If they brought back global chat as a feature you could turn on and off, I think everyone would turn it on just so they don't get flak for having it off

[tawny juniper]

Ark the notoriously buggy game, with many issues

[limber hull]

imo, i like how the devs are actually making decisions and not constantly fearing the community. Devs which cave in to every community demand end up compromising their core design just to appeal a vocal angry group

[tawny juniper]

I love ark don't get me wrong, but that's not the best comparison

[tawny juniper]

agreed

[limber hull]

i had to fight this whole "crowdpleaser" mindset in my previous job

[still raptor]

But also, it's been said that official servers will have the official isle experience. The devs don't care for unofficials. It's not their servers. At the end of the day, they can do whatever they want with this game. Also Ark is a buggy hell hole. Mods literally fixed the game.

[limber hull]

because we made really REALLY shitty changes to the game because people wouldn't shut up about it

[lucid mauve]

what ? They care alot about the unofficals, its where the majority of the people are. They even play there and have events

[still raptor]

[tawny juniper]

In the end all the complaint comes down to whether or not the devs want the community to be making decisions for their game, Which they've made clear is not their vision

[odd sedge]

And I am so glad.
Imagine they buffed Deino for that reason. Would have been so bad for the games core, because the devs don't want it to be a left click to win game

[tawny juniper]

If they did whatever the community wanted then evrima would be worse than legacy

[odd sedge]

True

[still raptor]

1k Deino biteforce

[odd sedge]

Yikes

[still raptor]

[odd sedge]

Legacy rex mains wanting deino to be the new op rex

[vestal rune]

why do people think the devs are obligated to pander to every person's individual need? they are trying to create a specific type of game, global chat ruins it, so they removed it. It's as simple as that, unofficial servers may be unofficial but they still play the dev's official game. Once modding is added you'll be able to modify it and bring back global

[odd sedge]

This is what I mean

Deino can kill stego

You dying to a stego is you being bad at deino

[still raptor]

This is after the most recent patch

[slim elbow]

global chat as an optional feature is good. And it's not hard to implement

[limber hull]

my biggest gripe with deino is not their biteforce, health, damage or any of that. My biggest gripe is their ability to just completely lock off food from any other carnivore, since they can pick up things easily, hide things at the bottom of the river, and if anything kills something nearby, it can simply pressure the killer away from their kill, steal the kill, and drag it into the water

[lucid mauve]

Lol, you just complained about OP rexes. If you die to a rex in legacy, you did something wrong before

[vestal rune]

no it isn't, the devs aren't obligated to give options to players to play the game in a way that breaks their game

[odd sedge]

I was over exaggerating pal

[slim elbow]

whos talking about obligations? do you know what a suggestion is?

[lucid mauve]

Ok, looks like you are evertime then.

[odd sedge]

[vestal rune]

also since global would be an official feature, it means that the devs would have to support it and fix any issues that may arise, one again for a mechanic that literally ruins their game

[vestal rune]

I'm just saying the devs shouldn't do it just because people want it

[still raptor]

I just want Deino's collision to be fixed.

[vestal rune]

I love when deino combat involves them merging

[still raptor]

lol yea

[fading fjord]

Different species get blurred letters from other species text, on Global Chat?

[odd sedge]

Well yes of course I am.
Me saying that everyone who wants a deino buff is an upset legacy rex main is me over exaggerating to express how ridiculous the request is.
That is the entire point, you know?

[vestal rune]

also isn't deino's alt bite hitmarker a bit generous now?

[still raptor]

If the devs did literally everything the community wanted, we'd be having so many playables that invalidate other/are useless. Also poor gameplay features like Global Chat.

I think it is Firefish.

[dire ridge]

Attack hitbox you mean ? Yeah its seems really generous

[lucid mauve]

You said legacy rex, like they where OP. And they where if you got close, but it was easy not to get close.

[dire ridge]

It always been this generous

[vestal rune]

I recall hypno saying they use hitmarkers

[dire ridge]

Hitmarkers ?

Dafuq

[compact hare]

If your will is not let X species interact to another by chatting, removing global and blurring the letters are the same thing imo

[vestal rune]

that's what he said lol

[still raptor]

Legacy rex was an ubalanced creature of fuck that had to rely on a mechanic based of off RNG.

[vestal rune]

but in the stress test deino's alt bite hitmarker was really small, basically useless

[odd sedge]

Have you even read what I just said about me exaggerating?

[lucid mauve]

I didnt have much problem with rexes, so need to dissagree. But gigas and spinos, i had huge problem with.

[dire ridge]

Oh i see what you mean, on stress test the alt bite was bugged. Alt biting behind you didn't registered any damage

Its fixed now

[still raptor]

When you have a mechanic purely based off of RNG, that's a bad playable imo.

[vestal rune]

I mean, a part from the dumb RNG mechanic I'd say rex had pretty nice balance

[still raptor]

But each is to their own.

[lucid mauve]

That i can agree on, but without the bb it would be dead meat to gigas and spinos

[fading fjord]

I dont think so, im just preventing certain things from happening, going that way, some, not all, like admins/or some other role, for ex might have no filters on it.

But thats goes to the question of, why a Global Chat, ingame, at this phase?

[fading fjord]

Not entirely true.

I do feel like some "players" could have that chat available, just sayin.

But like everything inlife, if humans use it for bad things.....
Could it be used for any good?:TI_Think:

[limber hull]

i still want humans to have VC

[compact hare]

ooh I get the point now, ye

[vestal rune]

fairly sure punch confirmed that

[limber hull]

proxy VC + radios which increase voice range would be so sick

imo

especially if said radios have limited range and power

[vestal rune]

ye I agree

#401464048610312195 message

if you want a source lol

later on he says that dinosaurs will hear humans talking as radio static

[shell quarry]

why cant my ptera fly? when i press space (both holding while running, or holding while still) nothing happens. ive tried biting and f calling to maybe break the curse, still cant jump or fly

[vestal rune]

go for a swim in water then go back out

[limber hull]

thats pretty cool honestly. Hope the static is not too abrasive and scales with how loudly the human talks

[shell quarry]

im not near water at all

[vestal rune]

try logging out then back in then

[shell quarry]

time to walk like a quarter of the map to water in that case

oh wait hold on

[tawny juniper]

hard work builds character
- some laundry commercial I saw on TV

[shell quarry]

i walked up a tree while sprinting by accident, and it had me do that falling glide thing for a second

now i can fly

[odd sedge]

Yeah you either have to swim or fall a Bit to fly

[shell quarry]

how do i avoid it happening to me every five seconds, cuz i just got it again

like what causes it?

[brave nova]

If you find out, be sure to tell the devs lol

[fading fjord]

B, you might need, some Tech support, or try visit&check pinned msgs on #723294838610722847 #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞 #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

Crounching, unstucks&such , in some situations also.

[urban flax]

@odd sedge Couldn't you find any less ugly image of a rex hatchling ?

[vestal rune]

ye that image is fucking terrible

[odd sedge]

Ah dammit

I'll try again later if I found something better lmao

[crystal minnow]

@potent sparrow very good suggestion!

[potent sparrow]

o thankyou c:

[odd sedge]

Growth on humans?
Tf?
Why would anyone “realistically“ speaking drop an infant with a gun on a deserted island with dinosaurs? It makes no sense

Also infant gameplay would be super useless, since human children are literally useless and cannot defend themselves until they are like idk 13 or something

[ionic arch]

@lament pecan it's not Roll back for me, ne it's basically freeze for 8 second.. enough time to die

[surreal sedge]

i will only support human growth if baby mercenaries can use guns and go flying when they try to use them.

[ionic arch]

So I mostly think it the computers problem and not The Isle

[odd sedge]

[ionic arch]

[urban flax]

People going on about human growth again..?

[surreal sedge]

that will solve the carnivore starvation issues

[still raptor]

@queen mortar Thanks for this moment.

[surreal sedge]

flying babies with shotguns

CATCH!

[odd sedge]

A baby human literally just screams and poops.
What fun game play

[lament pecan]

for me 2 quick tps (usually) backwards

[ionic arch]

They go brrr with 50. Cal sniper

[lament pecan]

anyone else suffering this?

[still raptor]

Yes.

[ionic arch]

Lower setting?

[still raptor]

It's a server problem.

[lament pecan]

what?

[odd sedge]

Well I mean, you get to kill a dino and paint the wall behind you if the knockback is big enough

[still raptor]

Rubberbanding happens on some officials. Try playing on unofficial servers for the time being.

[ionic arch]

You can try other server and/or lower your settings?

[lament pecan]

also happens there, less, but still

[still raptor]

What is your region?

Like NA, EU, AU ect

[lament pecan]

EU

[surreal sedge]

observe as a baby becomes a liquid from sheer recoil force

[ionic arch]

[still raptor]

Have you tried playing on the EU Officials?

[surreal sedge]

hungry utahs gonna need to use straws

[lament pecan]

this is where it happens the most, for me

[odd sedge]

Pretty sure babies would be used as distraction and yeeted by bigger humans

[still raptor]

Yea, it's mostly a server side issue with the clients ping. Hopefully it gets resolved in the upcoming patches. Trust me, you're not the only one with this issue.

[surreal sedge]

landing a crit on a rex with a projectile baby

[ionic arch]

Baby should be stronger than the adult but will grow fast so they can't really use it

[potent sparrow]

I can just see it now. Crawling on my knees with rifle and a pacifier. I wouldn't take a bit of that seriously xD

[lament pecan]

good to know, so far I've been trying out a lot of servers, officials have worst rubberbanding, unofficial EU servers are k, rest of em are a little better

[still raptor]

Yea, for the time being, I would advise you to play on unofficials.

[ionic arch]

Mercenaries Strains

[still raptor]

Nublar, Nycta, Teutonic ect. Those are "super servers".

[lament pecan]

it's really weird tho, in stress test I had almost no rubberbanding, now it's terrible

[limber hull]

with the growing humans, 99% sure he was referring to tribals

[odd sedge]

That baby is a trained professional, don't judge

[limber hull]

not mercs

lmao

[surreal sedge]

when modding support is in....can we all just form a blood pact right now that someone in the community is gonna make a baby mercenaries mod and they are just 200% useless?

[potent sparrow]

Gotcha

[odd sedge]

Human nesting lmao

[limber hull]

yea it's a bit weird with humans

especially since i dont think the game really wants to do something like add childbirth tbh

[tawny juniper]

Pick up sticks, put them on the floor, and watch as your baby somehow manages to end up 40 feet in the air because of it

[odd sedge]

Yeet the baby

Baby-katapult

[surreal sedge]

oviraptor stealing those eggs is uh.....gonna take some doing

[potent sparrow]

Also isn't it like a no no to allow child deaths in games and movies or something?

[odd sedge]

Launch at enemies if needed

[tawny juniper]

Ovis are going to steal young babies aswell won't they? I'm going to steal the babies

And raise them as my own

Which will end up taming them

Bam

Now the people work for you

[surreal sedge]

teach the baby humans how to peck the ground

[potent sparrow]

Man cubs?

[odd sedge]

Ovis gonna rule the isle

[tawny juniper]

Man hatchlings

[potent sparrow]

Oo

[odd sedge]

Ah yes

Human eggs

My favorite to eat while having breakfast

[tawny juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/bald-head-egg-gif-9379536

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[ionic arch]

[potent sparrow]

Here's a suggestion...
Rather than doing human growth it's replaced with maybe human experience? Liiiike the longer your human lives the more they can do? Iunno.

[odd sedge]

“Write H in chat for human eggo uwu“

[urban flax]

Or loot
Like in a good survival game

[ionic arch]

With modding we can create any dinos and I remember when modding was here.. rip 2015-2018 times

[ionic arch]

Bary is a kidnapper

[tawny juniper]

Maybe human learning, where you get skills based on how often you've tried to do certain things, Like your trapping intelligence could be max but maybe because of that you can only get your building/reparing level up halfway

[crude girder]

Modding wasn't a thing till 2016 iirc

[odd sedge]

Human infants riding on Pues mod for evrima

[potent sparrow]

xD

[odd sedge]

I like that actually

[potent sparrow]

RuneScape cooking intensifies

[crude girder]

Humans with a skill tree

[tawny juniper]

And with each level you could get more of that skill

[potent sparrow]

"you burnt the meat"

[tawny juniper]

Like a max level trapper could have access to the best traps, While relying on other people to be able to repair the bases

It could invoke more of a "team play" element in the game

[ionic arch]

Yes but... Rip Pue..

[tawny juniper]

Kind of forcing you to group up with other humans

Because without others you're going to have a much harder time

Maybe rather then the specialization being based solely on what you do, You pick a specialization when you begin playing (maybe this sticks forever or only for that life idk), Then depending how much you do for your specialization you could get better things for it

For example mechanic specialization would get faster and faster at repairing buildings, vechicles, etc. The more they did it

[odd sedge]

But make it that you can't chose the other skills then.
Like you have a full fishing skill set and go like “now ima level crafting on top of that“

[swift dew]

plus having children get ripped apart by animals is a pretty good way to make your rating hit mature real fast. though that might already happen.

[tawny juniper]

Kind of like Ark's failed concept of, You can't unlock all the engrams so make sure you have a tribemate or two so you can

[tawny juniper]

That's what I mean