general-feedback-discussion

[low yoke]

i have a big feeling your bieng sarcastic

[desert rain]

true it should be atleast 300% faster, what am i even thinking

[worn pumice]

no their dead serious

i wish carno utilized its ram more but oh well

[hybrid matrix]

using carnos alt bite is like playing chess
u gotta predict where ur enemy is gonna be in 5 moves

[worn pumice]

^

[hybrid matrix]

not saying that chess is bad

just saying it shouldnt be like playing chess

i actually love chess

[worn pumice]

in the end tho its worth it cuz the hitbox for it is large

[desert rain]

Carno could have a better way to fight stegos, for example if he rams them they should be stunned for 30s so he can get bites on him cuz they are too hard to kill for a solo carno

[hybrid matrix]

quit it with the sarcasm

it was funny b4

but now its annoying

[desert rain]

Im nevah sarcastic

[hybrid matrix]

oh really my detector is going off the charts on this message

[fading fjord]

@keen reef Maps and all the shenanigans that come with that, before Jace joined TI, were kinda adapted to the rosters we had, just like this last change on Spiro, the map was adapted 2 the 2 additions on the roster, Deino&Ptera.

Ps: Only referring to EVRIMA

[swift dew]

@tired wagon excuse me but how would allo ruin the ecosystem and albert wont?

[hybrid matrix]

i mean they did give their reasoning

it isnt great reasoning

but it is reasoning

[tired wagon]

Allo is a large pack hunter

5 - 6

[chilly slate]

2 Alberts can't kill a deino

[tired wagon]

On land, yes

[chilly slate]

Maybe

[swift dew]

at the strength deino is now, two alberts will spank a deino

[tired wagon]

And evrima allo will have a grapple ability

[urban flax]

I'm confused about people suggesting another mid tier before mercs
Did a dev state that humans are coming for update 5 or what ?

[chilly slate]

Alberts struggle with rexes in legacy

[tired wagon]

So it can literally pounce like a utah

[urban flax]

Because from what I've understood, they'll come long after the ecosystem is fleshed out
We'll probably see rexes before humans

[swift dew]

forget everything about legacy

evrima is nothing like it

[tired wagon]

^

[chilly slate]

Balancing won't change too much

Though I like Alberts so that idea is cool

[tired wagon]

Also, dondi said allo won't be coming to evrima for a long time. Iirc he said probably near the end of the dino roster

But this was while he was making the original roadmap

So this was like a year ago

[chilly slate]

so is literally every dino gonna be reworked?

[tired wagon]

Yup

[chilly slate]

That will take so long ;-;

[urban flax]

Not reworked
Remade from scratch

[tired wagon]

Not if they focus on one thing at a time

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr why should they add legacy dinos before brand new ones? both are being made from pretty much scratch

[barren zephyr]

We are all familiar with the old dinos and the fact that we can't enjoy growing the dinos we loved on legacy. I find it smart to first add in the ones that people got attached to in legacy, than begin to work on new ones that could add more depth to the game

[compact hare]

the dinos being added (being or not being in Legacy) dont resembles me their gameplay in Legacy so much... they are like 100% new

[limber hull]

i have to disagree. Legacy dinos don't share the newer complexities of the new dinos imo

[compact hare]

Im sure some ppl will expect X thing of a dino and get XY bcuz that dino wasnt even finished in Legacy

[hybrid matrix]

they really realy dont

[compact hare]

maybe you will get something completely different, like Dilo (ig ? afaik Dilo isnt being that bleeder dino anymore, not as much as it was)

[barren zephyr]

Yeah they might be brand new dinos with different mechanics, but that doesn't stop people from liking the dino off of legacy, infact I'm pretty sure a lot of people would enjoy a new revamped version of their favorite dino from legacy.

It's for more familiarizing, you recognise the dino and you want to play it more.

[odd sedge]

Who even cares

New creature = new creature

Who cares if it's from legacy

We all just want new stuff anyways

[sonic mural]

Lol

[compact hare]

they are all coming anyway, its just a matter of time (but Pue, rip pue )

[sonic mural]

[compact hare]

time...

[chilly slate]

[odd sedge]

Sure, I want certain creatures as well, like Dilo, Ovi and stuff but I don't care if they come sooner or later

[tired wagon]

I know a lot more people are more exited for troodon than they are for maia

[sonic mural]

I am lol

[barren zephyr]

I don't remember many maia players in legacy that actually like maia

It was a pain to play in my opinion.

[tired wagon]

I do

Some friends of mine mained maia for a while

[sonic mural]

Yea I hardly remember seeing any Maia’s when I played legacy

[barren zephyr]

^

[sonic mural]

Only a couple of them

[tired wagon]

But the same goes for pachy, para, cerato

[sonic mural]

Lol true

[barren zephyr]

Mostly because yeah, they can take on other mid tiers, but when moving on to the apexes you could never face them at all.

[tired wagon]

And you really shouldnt

[barren zephyr]

Cerato was underrated and overrated at the same time

[swift dew]

its probably because maia comes off as a weak herbivore but it is the most anti-utah/dilo thing in the game

[sonic mural]

Cerato was kinda underrated in legacy tbh

[tired wagon]

The only thing that isn't an apex that should solo an apex is dilo

[barren zephyr]

It could take down a cocky rex with ease from its insane turn radius

[sonic mural]

Yep

[tired wagon]

That too

But you get my point tho?

[swift dew]

if your talking no-alt turn cerato is actually good, if your talking alt turn then cerato is the worst thing in the game

[tired wagon]

I think that new dinos should be mixed in with the revamped versions of the old ones

[barren zephyr]

Alt turn is bad in general. It makes everything that has a bad turn radius unbalanced and way too crazy.

[hybrid matrix]

this is very true

except alt turn isnt a thing in evrima bc everything has a stationary turn anyway

and the best part is it doesnt look like ur dino is ice skating anymore

[barren zephyr]

People who prefer alt turn is bad at PvP in general.

They can't stop whining about a Utah riding the shit out of them, even when they could have just not let it get on the tail in the first place

[swift dew]

i prefer alt-turn because I dont feel like getting riden by a utah and then they brag about it being skill

[barren zephyr]

Uh oh

That's hilarious

[swift dew]

it is really not that simple

[barren zephyr]

Utah does require skill

Idk whatchyou mean

Riding a rex that has an annoying left hitbix

Where one turn will get you killed in an instant

[swift dew]

[odd sedge]

Mood

[barren zephyr]

Go in a deathmatch server and try to ride a good rex.

[odd sedge]

[barren zephyr]

Utah is about timing and being aware of everything around you, since most things 1 hit you

[odd sedge]

Eating the ass of a rex isn't skill

[urban flax]

Why is it that when I look at this channel there's an debate about if assriding is skill going on ?

[barren zephyr]

Also your tail has a longer hit box which creates a disadvantage

Ok how about this. You're riding a rex for food on a survival server

[hybrid matrix]

well honestly it is hard to learn how to assride

[urban flax]

This is like saying abusing a bug requires skill
It probably does but it shouldn't exist

[barren zephyr]

You're doing good, then all of a sudden you die to a bite on the left side that's legit no existant.

[hybrid matrix]

but the learning is the hard part

but even then

[odd sedge]

☝️

[hybrid matrix]

it doesnt take that long to learn it

but its still hard to master

[barren zephyr]

Ok then how else will a Utah kill something?

[hybrid matrix]

idk, by being good?

[odd sedge]

Pounce

[barren zephyr]

Charge straight into a rexes mouth?

[cyan flame]

By having a pack?

[odd sedge]

And skill

[hybrid matrix]

dyk that u can run in between a rex's bites?

[cyan flame]

By hunting properly sized prey?

[swift dew]

with a coordinated pack, running in a running out get bites. in evrima it is the same thing but add in a pounce

[hybrid matrix]

its all about timing but its possible

[barren zephyr]

Try solo 😃

[hybrid matrix]

could probably do it as a utah but ive only ever done it as a dilo

[barren zephyr]

The only way is to dodge and get around to get some bleed

[swift dew]

utah isn't meant to hunt big things solo

[barren zephyr]

Then back out

[cyan flame]

A solo utah is not supposed to hunt something bigger than yourself

[odd sedge]

Maybe Utah shouldn't fight rexes at all if they don't want to commit die but that's just me

[desert rain]

Im pretty sure they are talking about legacy and from what I know theres no pouncing in legacy

[hybrid matrix]

BuH i WaNnA fIgh da big Wex

[cyan flame]

Anyway, alt turn, or just normal turn, is built into Evrima, and most critters so far can and will most likely have a way to turn/get something off their ass, or face in some cases. Then we have added stuff like trample that will also make a difference most likely.

[hybrid matrix]

pweeeaaase ca' i figh da beeg wex??

[barren zephyr]

You gotta be aware to the left side hit box. You might think that was riding requires no skill and that you can always get the kill

[hybrid matrix]

PPWEAEAEAEAEASEseEE?es

[cyan flame]

And legacy no longer matters, so any balance from that is irrelevant

[odd sedge]

[barren zephyr]

But a rex can look behind them on the left side and just snap

Getting a Utah offgaurd

[swift dew]

i will reiterate again, the leftside hitbox doesn't exist anymore. it was fixed

[odd sedge]

☝️

[barren zephyr]

That's in evrima 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

[hybrid matrix]

so, almost as if the rex was turning around and grabbing the utahraptor with its mouth?
its all about imagination bucko

[barren zephyr]

You realize the left side hit box was never fixed lmao

[hybrid matrix]

oh dont worry

[barren zephyr]

I play legacy deathmatches all the damn tine

[hybrid matrix]

it'll be fixed

just gotta wait until legacy is gone

[desert rain]

easiest fix - dont play legacy

[barren zephyr]

Yeah well that's not in another 4 years

[hybrid matrix]

then u wont have to worry about the left hitbox

[barren zephyr]

At the rate they are working on this game

[hybrid matrix]

OMFG

[odd sedge]

It's not a bug anymore if you delete the branch

[hybrid matrix]

THIS IS THE LAST TIME THAT I WILL SAY IT

UPDATE THREE TOOK FOREVER BECAUSE OF FLYING AND SWIMMING

FOR FUCKS SAKE PPL

[odd sedge]

☝️

[hybrid matrix]

JUST GET THAT IN UR FUCKING HEAD

[odd sedge]

Two new mechanics take long

[barren zephyr]

Doesn't explain the other updates, and why they took forever.

[hybrid matrix]

NOT EVERY FUCKING UPDATE IS GONNA TAKE SEVEN FUCKING MONTHS JUST BECAUSE UPDATE FUCKING THREE DID

[barren zephyr]

With a huge team like this, swimming and flying should be a breeze.

[hybrid matrix]

WHAT OTHER UPDATES????? THIS IS LITERALLY THE THIRD UPDATE

[hybrid matrix]

THEY ONLY HAVE THREE FUCKING PROGRAMMERS

[barren zephyr]

The first and second update both took a whule

[swift dew]

they didn't, update 1 took a while because it was the first one. update 2 took about 2 months because 3 playables and about 4 mechanics

[odd sedge]

[hybrid matrix]

UPDATE ONE TOOK ABOUT THREE FUCKING MONTHS

THREE MONTHS

[swift dew]

you clearly dont understand anything about coding

[barren zephyr]

Damn y'all so tilted for me sharing my opinions

[hybrid matrix]

SHUT YOUR WHINEY ASS MOUTH AND BE GRATEFUL THAT THE DEVS ARE EVEN TRYING

[hybrid matrix]

its very simple really

splish splash ur opinion is trash

[carmine path]

[desert rain]

The updates took some time but keep in mind that they kinda made a completely different game with different mechanics and everything

[hybrid matrix]

keep in mind that its taken less than a year to get to where the game currently is

like thats fucking insane

remember how buggy evrima was way back in june?

[swift dew]

update 1 took a while because its the first update. update 2 took only 2-3 months and they gave us 3 new dinos, and like 4 new mechanics. update 3 took a while because they had to do TWO entirly new locomotion systems

[hybrid matrix]

all of this in under a year

[carmine path]

Also added new reworked mechanics

[hybrid matrix]

so stop fucking complaining

[swift dew]

unless everything goes wrong, we should get update 4 in 2 ish months. update 4.5 being 3 months

but dont take my word for it

please

[carmine path]

If Piggy’s estimate is wrong kill em

[swift dew]

[tidal rose]

Piggy, more like porkchop. if the prediction is wrong

[carmine path]

I love me some bacon

[odd sedge]

Oh god

Brave words for a living piece of ham tho

[carmine path]

@calm ether or hear me out. You can be seen.

And your not as invisible as you thought

[barren zephyr]

So basically your saying your is by far more superior to my so called "inferior" opinion? I just said what I wanted to see in the game, just like many others and I get ganged up on by screaming banshees just because mine was different from yalls, damn you guys are pathetic. No wonder most of this game died out, this community is kinda trash.

[tidal rose]

Actually, I have seen images floating around showing that if you can alter game files you can have max graphic settings and you don't see small shrubs and grass.

Its possible they were like that, but you have to make sure not to leave footprints leading right to your hiding spot too

[hybrid matrix]

fix your grammar, then i'll argue with you

also

[carmine path]

You’re playing on a 2015 computer. Unfortunately if you see not actively upgrading it optimized gameplay is not gonna help you. To solve your grand problem you’re gonna have to bug a new PC

[hybrid matrix]

be respectful

im recording a video

let me record u swine!

[carmine path]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[swift dew]

wha... dont compare him to me

[barren zephyr]

Uh oh mans crying about the English language and how I ain't using it right. Wah. What are you, 10?

[carmine path]

[hybrid matrix]

no im just a guy having some fun
but seriously
wtf did u even say?

[odd sedge]

🔁

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyrI would say what the game needs is a game loop and mechanics, not just adding more dinos. That can come when we actually have something resembling a proper game. :p

[hybrid matrix]

im recording a video for my channel, not recording this stupid fuckery

SORRY I FORGOT THE "Y" LMAO

[barren zephyr]

Yeah ik about that, it's just some people can't afford that shit, and I don't need to buy an overpowered pc. It's just a few changes in the graphics to make it so others computers can run a little smoother. Say for example, the textures. Make then less prominate.

[hybrid matrix]

yeah you dont need an overpowered pc
im playing this on a $600 gaming laptop

save ur money dude

[carmine path]

Have you seen the map concepts, your computer is gonna be on fucking fire by the end of the game development

[hybrid matrix]

u dont a fuckin alienware computer

anyway

[barren zephyr]

Render scale power, it's just gonna be annoying.

[hybrid matrix]

i gotta get back to recording my video

please dont ping me again

or i swear to dawndi

[barren zephyr]

So I was right, you are like 10

Grow up and then talk to me bud.

[odd sedge]

[barren zephyr]

Eh, not a surprise. The fun of having older people in a game often ends by kids who pile down on the game causing it to die.

[hybrid matrix]

well then ig a 10 year old is better at writing than you

[carmine path]

Evrima looks amazing, Legacy looks plain

[barren zephyr]

So what you have better English, what if I said that English isn't my first language?

[odd sedge]

says the one who complains about dying while assriding

[hybrid matrix]

except english is ur first language because you just spelled everything in that sentence correctly

[barren zephyr]

I never complained about dying by that lmao, I said it takes skill due to the left hit box being broken and the fact that rex can drag bite.

[hybrid matrix]

and even then

this isnt about spelling

this is about grammar

which you still fail at

[barren zephyr]

omg, I spelled everything correctly

Yet my grammar is a bit off

Omg

Totally not french

[tidal rose]

English is my third language and I can spell things fine.

[hybrid matrix]

you forgot the word "if" in between "what" and "you"

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

I spell things fine

It's the grammar that I don't understand most of the time

[carmine path]

This turned into a damn Spelling Bee and Grammar Nazism

[tidal rose]

I often just write in a lazy manner though

[odd sedge]

English isn't my first language either, so what's your point

[barren zephyr]

Exactly bork

[hybrid matrix]

alright

[carmine path]

AlienWare Bad

[barren zephyr]

Are you saying that I brought up the entire convo about my grammar?

[hybrid matrix]

now can i please get back to recording my fucking video, u degenerate?

[carmine path]

[barren zephyr]

I mean you could have done that a while ago, yet you seem to think it's fun to argue with people

This man's funny

[hybrid matrix]

i kept trying to leave this fuckin convo
ur the one who keeps bringing me back into it

shut up

like just now

i was leaving the convo

[barren zephyr]

Huh? I never brought you back in it, you're the one choosing to respond 🤷

[carmine path]

bro all of you stfu the argument is done go your separate ways and leave General Discussion in Peace

[hybrid matrix]

and then u said this

[hybrid matrix]

UR RESPONDING TO ME LEAVING
SHUT UP

[barren zephyr]

Yeah I am, because I don't want to leave the arguement.

[carmine path]

Bro

[hybrid matrix]

good
so stay
but i do want to leave the argument

[tidal rose]

But it's your choice when to leave... just don't respond to his response lol

[barren zephyr]

Unlike you, I have all day. I'm not recording a dumb video that will only get 10 views.

[tidal rose]

no one is stopping you from walking away jesus

[carmine path]

Both of you

[hybrid matrix]

at least it'll actually get views

[carmine path]

<@&401466542140817419>

[barren zephyr]

Still responding?

[edgy harbor]

What

[swift dew]

just leave, he is just flame baiting at this point

[carmine path]

They are having too much fun as you can see

[hybrid matrix]

alright

[barren zephyr]

😏

[carmine path]

Also that was fucking quick

[trail tide]

Sigh.

[barren zephyr]

I mean, I tried to start out civil with my suggestions then I get ganged on by 4 people who hate my opinion and is calling it trash.

[edgy harbor]

@hybrid matrix @barren zephyr
You two need to not argue in here, take it to dms before it gets heated.

[carmine path]

All is well in the Land of Discussions 😇

[swift dew]

before it gets heated? that was a little late tbh. anyway lets talk about real isle things

[edgy harbor]

I'm sorry?

[barren zephyr]

Aren't we supposed to respect others suggestions and shit, even if it's not that reasonable? I got ganged and pinged by 4 different people because my opinion about the game was different than theirs.

[swift dew]

no it was just... nevermind

[barren zephyr]

They constantly tried to prove me wrong or insult me.

[trail tide]

It's not your jobs to argue in here (disrespectfully), you take it to DMs, drop it, or mute eachother. Or tag a Mod.

[carmine path]

Razor gonna make em angry 😅

[barren zephyr]

I was angry at the situation I was placed in.

[carmine path]

Razor ima be honest just gotta drop it man

Saying all this gonna make it worse

[barren zephyr]

Yeah you're right. I shouldn't drag this on, sorry

[carmine path]

Perfecto

[wheat igloo]

If someone insults you let moderators know. Either way if all you can do is argue then there's no need to continue the conversation whatsoever.

[carmine path]

@tall oasis so it is post to be AI or playable im confused

[barren zephyr]

Do I tell you about the insults in dms?

Discussion =/= Arguing
Arguments are a form of discussion, but not all discussions are arguments.
A discussion involves hearing and responding to different opinions, respectfully.

[wheat igloo]

You can tag us when it happens or go to a mod in DMs, up to you

[tall oasis]

AI, i have said that multiple times the suggestion

[barren zephyr]

Oh well.

Ok thanks :)

[carmine path]

Well you said coming down clinging onto Trees like it was playable. Doing this for AI alone is pretty difficult to program

Not to mention they are flying

[tall oasis]

No, that is it's behavier

[barren zephyr]

Wasn't the raptors long front toe used for climbing?

[carmine path]

That’s the tough part to program.

[barren zephyr]

Like, it had grapple properties.

[carmine path]

They are already making it so it can scramble up trees

[tall oasis]

not necessarily, all it does is cling to a tree, and when a herrer comes near, it tries to escape, and if it has been on a tree for more then lets just say 5mins. It would fly to another tree, but if it is close to a river bank it would just go near the water and have a cleaning animation.

[calm ether]

@carmine path I know I'm not invisible, but unless you go into the bush you can't see inside, trust me they came directly running to me, and I had been like 5mins there so no footprints, and crouched so not a single noise

[carmine path]

This is still fairly difficult to implement. This is also not extremely relevant to todays The Isle Development considering how far along the road Herrara is

[calm ether]

The same happened the previous 2 times

[carmine path]

They can see you before the bush renders in btw

[edgy harbor]

Fastest in the west 🤠

[carmine path]

Bit slow this time huh

[edgy harbor]

LOL

I was gonna say

slow ass reply tho

Quick on the draw, slow on the conversation

[carmine path]

Lol

Ima bout to see a 10pg essay from sadness

[tall oasis]

never said it should come before herrera

[carmine path]

You know for a long typing time you sure fell short of my expectations

Also

[tall oasis]

yee i know

lol

[carmine path]

All im saying is that you suggestion doesn’t fall under today’s relevance. If you want your suggestion to come alive suggest it when Herrara is out. If Hererra has a poor time getting food due to lack of prey suggest it and it will most likely be accepted as a food idea to solve Herraras food shortages

[worn pumice]

bork looks weird w/o the cera pfp

[tall oasis]

(this is what i was going to say but didn't because idk. this was going to be my response to "it would be difficult to make) wasn't the deino lunge easy to make? was fleshing out rivers easy? is the upcoming diets going to be an easy task? The devs have made many mechanics that take lots of time and effort, it takes hard work to implement nesting, pterosaurs, skins, and eventually diving mechanics. these are hard to make. The devs already are implementing a small pterosaur AI eventually, at least that is what kissen kitten said.

[carmine path]

Yeah the unfortunate thing is eventually. Because they are so complicated to make besides land AI who can just run into trees. Pterosaurs if they run into a tree they fall and may die. Well how do they get back up. And the problem begins here because they have to implement ways to make AI flyers move around trees or fly efficiently, landing in certain areas where players are able to actually kill them. And the problems just go on

[tall oasis]

Well then, well then what if they spawn a preset tree layout, they would just fly to the next tree that is in the preset layout?

[paper oriole]

Why would titanoboa have venom it's a constrictor

Just cus its a snake doesn’t automatically make it venomous

[safe galleon]

I don't feel that there's a need for a mating/5th call since you can just 1 call

but otherwise is good

[paper oriole]

Also as far as it killing/eating mid sized animals, i doubt it could even eat a tenonto

A mating/pairing call could easily just be a held 2 call you can use in packmates

[safe galleon]

wasn't irl titanoboa only eat fish?

[paper oriole]

Yeah fish and smaller crocs i think

[safe galleon]

wow I didn't word that good

[inner hound]

the "held 2 call" is in said text i wrote

i gave three potentional things

[safe galleon]

a hold 2 call sure, we already have a tap and hold 1 call so why not

[paper oriole]

Yeah i hope they add variations to each call, like youd have to hold the 3 call for the current roar and a tapped would do a warning call instead

[safe galleon]

tap 3: growl thing

hold 3: roar

[rich owl]

tap 1 is already roar?

[inner hound]

1 is more of a 'hey i am here'

a variation for 3 call would be actually dope

[rich owl]

who uses normal 3 roar anyway

[safe galleon]

normal 3 roar?

[tall oasis]

@odd sedge Love the idea of having a of line or aiming tool like hypsi when pouncing on targets!

[odd sedge]

Yes, since Hera is quite fragile on the ground and cannot the pay the prize of missing an attack or a leap, I thought it would make sense to allow them to operate as precise as possible at the cost of a bit of time

[rich owl]

i don't really think they should add a line that u can see in the game as that would ruin the realism of the game that they're trying to go for

[tall oasis]

lmao r u joking??!?!

[rich owl]

so raptors should be able to aim as well?

[odd sedge]

Well I mean Hypsi already has something in it's own way

[odd sedge]

Nonono, I mean Hera, not Utah

[rich owl]

i said as well

[silver blaze]

@torn ocean titanaboa didn't have venom

[rich owl]

u can already aim the normal pounce in the game

i don't really think they need to rework it or anything

[odd sedge]

Well Utah doesn't die from fall damage when it misses the pounce

[tall oasis]

lol " RUINS THE REALISOM" have u seen hypsi? is that ruining the realism

[odd sedge]

I am not talking about Utahs

[rich owl]

u know it's not that hard to aim the normal pounce in the game?

[silver blaze]

They aren't going for a realistic game I thought so too but you know humans ,cannibals, hypos, strains ect they will go realistic on dinos where they feel like it

[odd sedge]

I am not talking about Utah

[rich owl]

pretty sure the "cannibals" are canceled or meant as a joke just like the gigantosarus

[silver blaze]

Also if you didn't have the line hypsi spit would be pretty much impossible to hit and it's not something that ruins the immersion

[tall oasis]

herrera is much different, imagine having to guess where ur pounce would land while in a tree, leaping to trees would be hard as hell

[odd sedge]

Impossible you mean

[tall oasis]

lol

[silver blaze]

Giga is not a joke? And no I'm pretty sure all the weird monster things will come eventually

[rich owl]

u wouldn't have to straight up guess, with raptors ur pounce is gonna land exactly in the middle just as i would think the Hera would

[tall oasis]

NO WHATS RUINING THE REALISOM?????? WELL ITS THE NAME TAGS

[odd sedge]

It lives in trees

You can't guess

You would die

[tall oasis]

i cant stop laughing over it

[odd sedge]

Making Heras guess where they land would make them not viable

[torn ocean]

aww man

[silver blaze]

It killed by constricting

[icy lion]

barely

its likely it had a diet primarily of fish

[silver blaze]

Yeah but deino is in the game so it won't be as much fish diet focused probably in the isle

[silver blaze]

And are you sure I kinda doubt a snake thta big could swim fast enough

[urban flax]

Well irl titanoboa couldn't even go on land so it'll need fictionalization in The Isle anyway

[icy lion]

doesnt have to swim fast

[paper oriole]

it could probably eat minmis and baby deinos, it aint eating mid sized dinos

[silver blaze]

What?

[tall oasis]

Its not like pouncing is like a laser and u don't slowly go down ward, u don't stay going forward forever, you can't turn in the air either lmao

[urban flax]

Irl titanoboa was fully aquatic

But we wouldn't like it to be water-bound in-game

[silver blaze]

Huh

[vestal rune]

if you want a good comparison of what titanoboa was it was basically a huge elephant trunk snake

but if it gets added it'll most likely be fictionalised to be a bit more of a good predator

I wouldn't mind it still being good in the water though

[urban flax]

We'll most likely get a semiaquatic titanoboa, maybe an alternative to deino : good in water but slow on land

Though I'd imagine it being made to hunt in water rather than ambushing terrestrial prey

[swift dew]

it would still be cool, plenty of things in this game have been fictionalized for the purpose of coolness (and in some cases viability)

[indigo storm]

hi Any idea on when the next diet and fractures update might be available ?

[icy lion]

no etas

[indigo storm]

so we re just waiting for a god sign to show up ?

[swift dew]

we just wait till it actually gets released

[indigo storm]

ive heard enough im out.

[urban flax]

Such politeness

[lucid mauve]

its easy calc, if we are lucky we have 2 more dinos next year

[odd sedge]

[odd sedge]

How often did I hear that already today?

The last update took so long, because they introduced two new creatures, locomotions And new mechanics, plus oxygen plus redoing the map.

[lucid mauve]

Yea? The next updates will also include alot. But you belive it will take 2 months for each update ?

[odd sedge]

Well yes. It surely won't take to next year until we get pachy

[lucid mauve]

No, but roadmap says 2 more dinos in the next 3 updates ?

And i would say we are lucky if we get all those 3 updates within this year

[odd sedge]

The roadmap just changed. It can always change again

[lucid mauve]

yea, but as we speak here now. I would say we are lucky if we get those 3 updates within this year

[odd sedge]

It won't take as long as update three did

[lucid mauve]

No,but update 3 took what ? 4-5 months. So if you take 2 months for each of em, you are still lucky within this year

[feral solstice]

Thing is you aren’t including the amount needed to develop update 3

[lucid mauve]

I just did ? i just took 50% of the time away

[feral solstice]

Update 3 took 4 months due to the overly complex movement systems required to make it work.
Imagine only developing one movement system of dinosaurs only to make a water and air movement system from scratch. Lots of work

So no

[lucid mauve]

I dont think you see all the work that needs to be put in the next updates

[cedar pulsar]

Diets and Fractures might take a bit of time to test and balance, but not nearly as long as update 3

[feral solstice]

^

[cedar pulsar]

i think that we'll see update 4 during the summer, maybe july-early august

[feral solstice]

We just need the models for the fauna really, and then they must be coded to become a diet, and then really, food values, spawns, amount, and that’s really all

But then we have carnis which is somewhat easy since you just have to create a dietary path of what creatures you should hunt

[lucid mauve]

Then you are more negative then i am : P thats alot more time then i said

[cedar pulsar]

really?

[lucid mauve]

If you belive update 4 and 4.5 will come within 5 weeks, i think u will be dissapointed : P

[cedar pulsar]

thats 2 months

[swift dew]

i guess I have to say it again. update 3 took a long time because it made TWO entirely new locomotion systems. look at update 2, it took 2-3 months and gave us 3 new dinosaurs, and 4 new mechanics. if you look at the roadmap, there is about 2-3 pretty intensive mechanics per update and 2 playables total. we could definitly get all 3 updates on the roadmap + humans this year as long as everything doesn't go to shit

[feral solstice]

2 months to get update 4 sounds plausible

[lucid mauve]

Yea, and i think we are lucky if we get all those updates within this year.

[feral solstice]

4.5 would be some time afterwards

But hey

If they have more time they might sneak in some playables aswell

[cedar pulsar]

the mechanic updates are the main focus currently, but they are working on the other playables on the side

[swift dew]

with the way the roadmap is set up I wouldn't be surprised if they did this

[cedar pulsar]

diets isn't as complex as some think
like providence said, model the flora, code them to be dietary things for certain dinos, then pop in some food values, spawn zones, amounts, some testing, and thats basically it

[lucid mauve]

Always double the amount of time you think it will take with the isle dev, but they are delivering quality. So i cant complain really

[cedar pulsar]

true, to me update 3 felt a lot more stable then update 2

so that was good to see

[swift dew]

this honestly, I wouldn't be surprised of update 4 comes in june (dont quote me on that)

[feral solstice]

There’s like what

9 different foods in diets?

Low mid and high fauna?

Should be easy. Literally just gotta play the game to test it

And base it off after that

[cedar pulsar]

fractures isn’t that tough either
it’s some animations and debuffs that’ll need balance testing and that’s it too

[final plume]

@light bobcat i love the hypsi idea sm !! would love to see it in game.

[cedar pulsar]

that's actually a neat idea

hypsi's mega underplayed rn since it's spit is useless and it can just get snatched outta trees by utahs

[brave nova]

I like the hypsi idea, but it would make more sense to have the big dino buck if it doesn't want it there rather than making it physically impossible to do because it 3-called or didn't 2-call

[swift dew]

you put hypsi on the back of stegos and you get an turret that shoots blinding spit. and the hypsi can use the plates as a shield of a ptera or something attack it, its great.

[paper oriole]

if large herbis had a different sort of buck, more of a shake prompt that cost no stam when hypsis or other future tiny perchers come it could work

so hypsis couldnt push larger dinos to 3 call or spend stam on a buck to troll

[brave nova]

easy solution for hypsis trolling: buck and step on it

[paper oriole]

yeah though buck costs stam, so a stamless buck for overly friendly smalls instead

just wiggle them off

deino barely has a problem with steg rn since the hitbox changes now allow it to headshot stego through its ass cheek and it gets a couple free bites when it stuns it with lunge, the devs said group pulling would be an absolute bitch to code anyway

[brave nova]

nah using a tiny bit of stam would be fitting, you wouldn't be doing it much unless a herd of hypsis threw themselves at you kamikaze style anyway. Which in all fairness I could see happen but then what, there are hypsis on you I guess? Not much of a problem really

[final plume]

i would love to have a hypsi attached to me lol.

[paper oriole]

eh it would be used to troll people with no physical gain which shouldnt be encouraged

so just let large animals shake perchers off with no stam, not like the hypsi would be latched on like a raptor anyway so realistically it would take a lot less effort to shake it off

[brave nova]

hypsis are already having a grand old time blinding me as a practical joke, at least they couldn't do that while hanging onto my back.

[paper oriole]

i'd be cool with having small tiers riding on my back too but it shouldnt force people to waste stam or 3 call if they want to be let be

[fading fjord]

Gotta love those sniperspitters

[paper oriole]

yeah troll sniping is the only use for hypsi's spit lol

cant blame them

[fading fjord]

Not troll, theres another way, hypsi is part of the whole show.

I blame the genious that came up with something like that.

[paper oriole]

also seen hypsis mix packing with raptors and carnos to blind victims before attacks too, its pretty bad lol

[fading fjord]

#SniperSpit #Lock&Load

[brave nova]

hypsi is purely a troll though. It can't fight, it can't run, I guess it can sort of hide but not really. It's good at being annoying and that's about it. Not saying it's a bad niche but that is certainly its niche

[fading fjord]

Wrong, bud, that very too no imagination.

[final plume]

hypsi could be made enjoyable to play as so easily though.

[fading fjord]

No niche its just a part of "the squad"

[paper oriole]

yeah and there's nothing wrong with having little dinos who are just annoying, but they shouldn't be too easily annoying ya know

[fading fjord]

You just dont know what to do with it.

[brave nova]

That's fair, hypsi isn't my thing so I guess I'm not the authority on what makes it fun for others

[fading fjord]

Theres a difference between playing hypsi and playing as a hypsi.

[final plume]

true

[fading fjord]

We are not talking about fun, we talking about how you use it, what to do with it, whats its purpose, you said "hypsi is pure troll". NO NO NO Youre not even grasping my point here.

You look at shit but you cant rly see, what youre looking at, does that make sense to you?

[brave nova]

Yeah, to me having fun is the whole idea, but whatever floats your boat lol

[fading fjord]

Hypsi is annoying & troll for those that cant play as 1.

[paper oriole]

Oh no

Lmao that disappeared fast

[jade haven]

oh god lmao, sorry

[brave nova]

Lol, I wonder if a mod deleted that or he immediately regretted it

[jade haven]

No that was a mod

[fading fjord]

@brave nova Bro, youre hilarious, im finishing this by saying Hypsi is out of this world 2 play, and like others on the roster, its unique, and i can say 100% certainty, you havent really tasted it or had fun with it.

[brave nova]

I'm not gonna tell you what or how to play. I'm glad you enjoy hypsi, keep at it

[jade haven]

But how would nesting work? How realistic would reproduction work?

[fading fjord]

Neither, i can only show you the door, youre the 1 that have 2 go troo'it.

[brave nova]

In legacy females made a nest and then there was eggs. Doesn't have to be more realistic than that. Not to say graphic

[jade haven]

Ah I've never played legacy.

Is nesting still in legacy?

[brave nova]

yep

[fading fjord]

Is this Troo'don mess with me!??! Really?!?!?

[paper oriole]

Don't count on there being mating dances or… further animations

[swift dew]

punch needs to use this

[jade haven]

Maybe a big blur/pixel effect when the male and female consent.

[paper oriole]

At most you would probably invite a matriarch/patriarch to a group to make the nest pairing

[brave nova]

Or maybe not

come on

[jade haven]

😳

[paper oriole]

Wait on some degenerate mods they are bound to come

[swift dew]

no thank you, I would rather something magical happen rather than something biological

[fading fjord]

[jade haven]

magic>biology

[paper oriole]

Somebody made an ‘animation’ for shant a while back if i remember right

[brave nova]

[paper oriole]

So just wait and some weirdo will probably mod it in in the far future lol

[brave nova]

rule 34 I guess

[fading fjord]

@swift dewThe TurboMan here is an inspiration

[paper oriole]

Two animals confirmed semiaquatic? Austro, Beipi and Minmi would like a word

Kaprosuchus would get clapped by the roster too

He upvoted his own suggestion

[swift dew]

@latent orchid 2 semi-aquatics? have you heard of austro, beipi, minmi, bary, sucho, spino, plus the two you mentioned

that makes 8

[paper oriole]

Not sure how much sucho and bary will count towards semiaquatic yet since it may be limited to wading

But all the others

[oak tapir]

I hope so

[swift dew]

not to mention kapro is the size of a dog

[paper oriole]

Yeah kapro would get clapped by everything

[latent orchid]

Wow, how in the world did I forget those? Especially since spino is my favorite Dino. But I just felt it would be interesting playstyle as like a semi aquatic smaller carno with the ability to charge

[oak tapir]

Postosuchus would shred

[jade haven]

Carbonemys would be cool🐢

[swift dew]

maybe something similar to kapro, but kapro would get obliterated

[paper oriole]

Prestosuchus > postosuchus

[vast pasture]

serious question why do people thing titanoboa is venomous

[urban flax]

I thought they were the same thing

[icy lion]

its a snake

[paper oriole]

Idk i guess people just think snake = venom

[brave nova]

because snake probably

[icy lion]

apparently all snakes have venom or smth

[jade haven]

people think that?

[compact hare]

yes

[latent orchid]

Like a said, a land croc in general. I was say kapro because it’s my personal favorite

[paper oriole]

Yeah i guess they do

[swift dew]

i wouldn't mind venomous titano, but im not for it

[vast pasture]

yeah just saw it in the general feeback

[paper oriole]

Its pretty dumb but remember there's people who think chocolate milk comes from brown cows unironically

[vast pasture]

^ true

[oak tapir]

Tf?

[jade haven]

It could be venomous - but from what I know big sneks aren't venomous.

[paper oriole]

Palaeophis may have been

But he was a sea snake

While titan is not

[safe galleon]

wdym stupid? isn't that true?????

[compact hare]

Constrictors arent venomous
Fat big snek = no venom (ig)

[vast pasture]

like if you want a venomous snake there is those types of snakes gigantophis but that was also a sea snake

[paper oriole]

[swift dew]

it definitly was not venomous, however it wouldn't mind if it was venomous in game for the sake of giving it something interesting

[paper oriole]

If we get a sea biome we could have a venomous snake perhaps

Palaeophis has pretty big size estimates

[vast pasture]

they could add it and modify it just like they have with spino and so on

[paper oriole]

Pretty sure they just modded spino to scratch their unending JP itch

[vast pasture]

yeah

[jade haven]

if we get sea biome. Elasmosaurus and kronosaurus or other plesiosaurs should definitely come

[vast pasture]

something in my opinion like paleophis would be better make it fast in the water slow on land

i would love to sea marine reptiles

[jade haven]

ba dum tsh

[vast pasture]

would love to see the prehistoric fish from the time period as well

[paper oriole]

Pale shouldnt go on land period or it would die lol

I mean i guess for gameplay it could survive for a bit on land but no need for it to

[jade haven]

some dolphin looking things as well

[vast pasture]

very true

was just an idea for gameplay

[paper oriole]

Atopodentatus and nothosaurus for the cosstal biome too, of course they could go into deeper water but they are both quite small

They are often discussed for marine biome

[tepid gate]

It's funny that I see so many people reacting to that suggestion about Carno's alt bite doing more damage by saying that it's already in whilst in truth it's absolutely not true.

[cedar pulsar]

i wish there was more incentive to use the charge

[tepid gate]

Same goes for Deinosuchus btw - the alt bite does exactly as much damage as the normal bite.

Charge probably shouldn't use up stamina that fast. It's something that's already very hard to hit making it just not worth using for the most part.

It takes roughly 15 seconds to burn through Carno's entire stamina pool.

[cedar pulsar]

maybe lower the amount of stamina the charge takes and up the damage of the alt bite

i'd say to also lower general biteforce on carno but idk

[carmine rune]

agree

[tepid gate]

I'd say it would be justified only if Utah's HP got toned down to be more in line with what the HP of this animal should be.

[carmine rune]

lower normal bite and keep alt bite the same as now

utah hp is fine, get 2 shot from a carno hs, 1 shot from stego etc

[tepid gate]

As it is it's pretty much the only one that has twice more HP than weight which just doesn't seem to be the case for any other animal(all of them having roughly as much hp as they weigh or having slightly lower hp than their weight.

[barren zephyr]

@latent orchid titanoboa isn’t even confirmed if it’s gonna be semi aquatic or not, but we have a lot more semi aquatics, sucho, bary, austro, minmi, spino

[tepid gate]

It gets twoshot only from headshots from a Carno, it however gets threeshot from bodyshots which should be what it takes for a Carno to kill it.

[carmine rune]

yeah 3 shot is fine

[tepid gate]

If you lower Carno's biteforce it's not going to be a threeshot any longer.

[carmine rune]

if you go any lower you have to serioously buff pounce or utah would be literal trash

[tepid gate]

I'd be fine with lowering Carno's biteforce if Utah's hp was brought down

As it is the goddamn rat has half the HP of a Carno while being less than 1/3rd of its weight.

[carmine rune]

carno will always win vs utahs especially after the ridicolouis buck buff all dinos got

[tepid gate]

Carno is meant to win against Utahs, it's literally the hardest counter to it on the whole roster. It hunts animals like Utahs.

[carmine rune]

and dont get me wrong its supposed to win

yeah i agree

[cedar pulsar]

if when you dismount it threw the utah further away (maybe a little further then stego tail distance) i think pounce would be way better off

[carmine rune]

true

[tepid gate]

That is a decent solution - I think Rend suggested that it should use up some stamina to leap away from the target it pounces.

[barren zephyr]

People get mad because “oh carno is too strong against Utah’s it’s so broken” but carno is supposed to be good against Utah’s, but Utah’s have much better turning and can escape them easily

[tepid gate]

If you burn through that stamina - tough luck you have to dismount next to it.

[carmine rune]

no one said that

[tepid gate]

Yea Utah can get away from Carno really easily still.

[barren zephyr]

A lot of people do

They say carno is too strong

When it’s fine as it is

[tepid gate]

I've been dancing around an adult Carno for 10 minutes straight as a ~85% grown Utah without getting hit once.

[carmine rune]

i want carno to smash utah, but i want utah to get rewarded from succesful pounces (vs stego for example you get oneshot)

[barren zephyr]

Well yeah I do feel Utah is a little underpowered with it’s pounce

[tepid gate]

It's generally not an impossible match up for Utah to survive.

It's just not very good if Utah tries to kill the Carno it's fighting.

[cedar pulsar]

it makes sense for it to be oneshot since cmon, meter long spikes being driven right through it's abdomen or head
its the whole dismount thing that bogs pouncing down imo

[carmine rune]

yeah ofc, i was talking after a succesful pounce

you literally get rewarded with death

lol

[cedar pulsar]

true

[carmine rune]

gj nice pounce now you die

[cedar pulsar]

pounce is ment to be high-risk, high-reward, but rn its more like very high risk, no reward lmao

[carmine rune]

yeah and thats bad, also buck stamina drain is...insane as utah

you get 1-2s of pounce thats it

then you HAVE to jump off

[tepid gate]

It may have been simply overnerfed. Some time ago it was a no-risk, high-reward tool. I'm personally not a fan of turning it into a weapon focused on bleed and I'd rather stick to it doing more damage than bleed but oh well.

[carmine rune]

im fine with its dmg, i agree that op things are super bad, im just suggesting ways to bring it back in a viable state

[cedar pulsar]

yeah i think it was overnerfed
prior to update 3, stego and tenonto were practically already dead if spotted by a large raptor pack

[carmine rune]

without being strong or insane

i kinda like the being more bleed oriented, it does less dmg and keep the fight much longer wich is super fun to play from both sides imo

[cedar pulsar]

yeah, i was fighting a pack of 6 or 7 last night on my adult stego and it was a lot of fun

part of that prolly stems from me being a pretty poor stego though, lol

[carmine rune]

and back on carno topic, i think carno itself is strong but fine, but the desync is really frustrating vs a carno...getting hit from 20feet is no fun

i guess we need more time to fix desync to adress that issue

[cedar pulsar]

desync will prolly always be present in some form, it can just be mitigated

better then update 2 tho lol

[carmine rune]

yeah but on QA stress test it wasnt so bad like it is now, same goes for rubberbanding

im from Eu and officials are bad right now, NA official are much better, even from Eu

[cedar pulsar]

yeah, here on NA it's not a huge issue like what i've heard from the EU side

[carmine rune]

they must run different tech

[cedar pulsar]

though on NA2 for a few days it got extremely bad

[carmine rune]

its borderline unplayable here

you rubberband like crazy every 10-15 sec

imagine fighting

[cedar pulsar]

i feel real bad for you EU lads

[carmine rune]

also ppl suggesting stam cost to jump further after pounce are crazy, pounce cost an insane amount of stam, and buck drains it all in 3 sec flat

[vestal rune]

@barren zephyr dude you just filled an update full of dinosaurs, this isn't the approach we're taking anymore

the updates are mechanics-based now

the only updates that have dinosaur in them are when the dinosaur is literally needed for the mechanic

ye

because there's already troodon

well

the way it works now is that dinos are worked on the side

so if the dinos are completed, they get added

so if dilo is finished by update 6 it will be added

yes most likely

just if they decide to work on it and then finish it

in all honesty, I suspect update 7 will be humans

[icy plover]

Not entirely random. I'm guessing if it needs a certain mechanic, it can't come out before the mechanic is out

[vestal rune]

oh ye ofc

but all the mechanics for beipi specifically are pretty much finished

[icy plover]

Just saying for dinos in general :)

[swift dew]

because they want to be more mechanics orietated. judging on how the roadmap is set up it seems that they might sneak in a playable if they have the time. also dilo venom is different than troodon venom

[carmine rune]

you only see pachy and troodon bc they are tied with the specific mechanic of the update, the others will come when they finish em

[vestal rune]

they will

they just won't be part of any specific update

add when finished typa thing

[icy plover]

Same lol

[carmine rune]

we will get it no worries

[icy plover]

Pretty small yea

[carmine rune]

i cant wait for troodon and dilo

[icy plover]

Those will be fun too

[vestal rune]

ye beipi is like 190kg or something like htat?

I remember it being less than 200kg

[carmine rune]

but i hope they fix some issues before dropping other dinos

[icy plover]

Yea the rubber banding is pretty bad

[vestal rune]

oh nvm

it's 90kg

[carmine rune]

also collisions are super bad, if they dont fix em now that they have 8 dinos to fix, it will be harder and harder if they keep add new dinos

[icy plover]

Very true

[carmine rune]

we will need a phase3 lol

[vestal rune]

ye I really hope the next thing they do is rework collisions, since the current collision system is actually incomplete

like they had a better one but had to add it unfinished

[carmine rune]

yeah an adding new dinos add to the problem

and trust me i hyped as everyone to get new dinos, i just want the game to become really good first

[vestal rune]

ye same, as much as you want beipi adding new dinosaurs rn won't improve th egame

once the game gets a good foundation, fixes its issues and adds proper gameplay mechanics, then new dinosaurs will maybe improve it

[carmine rune]

imagine if they add like 10 more dinos with current collision system, that means that in future they have to go back and fix 18 dinos collision and thats an insane amount of work

[vestal rune]

I want rubberbanding fixed, the desync fixed, collision fixed, sound fixed, FPS issues fixed

[icy plover]

Yea there's a lot that needs to be fixed

The tile loading needs fixing too

[vestal rune]

oh ye tiles need to be optimised, because that's where all my FPS drops come from

[cedar pulsar]

they’re always working to improve optimization

[vestal rune]

ye, but they need to fix desync ASAP, instead of adding new water

also work on collision

[carmine rune]

yeah id say collision is top prio rn since the less dino we have the easier will be to fix em, then desync lag rubberbanding tile etc

its not 0 come on ai is fine

[vestal rune]

AI is weird, it needs work too, they have a dedicated AI programmer though

like I really thought update 3 would improve the AI, and ye mildly it did but it's still not especially good

[icy plover]

I only ever found 3 ai, and that was in the beta. After that I haven't heard or seen a single one

[carmine rune]

i just want this game to succeed, so i understand if we have to wait more

[cedar pulsar]

I think fixing current issues and adding more mechanics can go hand in hand

[icy plover]

I think the luck of finding ai varies from player to player, since I've seen mixed responses on it

[vestal rune]

eh, diets or perks won't fix desync

[carmine rune]

but many players here dont care of foundamental issues and just want more dinos in a more broken game

[cedar pulsar]

desync and stuff like that also varies

I’ve had very little desync issues since update 3 but I know many people who have

like I said yesterday, least it fixed the DCs

[icy plover]

I don't have desync (never did really), but my fps and rubber banding has gotten worse since the update came out

[carmine rune]

thats cause NA officials are better than Eu ones for some reason

even for me as an european i get way better experience playing on NA servers

less desync rubberbanding etc

[icy plover]

For me it felt like I had less of those problems on eu than I did na, but it has been a little bit since I've been on eu so it could have changed

And I'm an na person

[carmine rune]

i dont know what could be the cause, also Eu servers are filled with asians so maybe thats part of desync issues? so many players with high ping etc i dont know

[icy plover]

Maybe. The last time I played on eu was before they got flooded with Asian players. Might try hopping on to an eu server for a bit and see if anything has changed for me

[carmine rune]

if you hate youserlf you can spawn southeast, rubberbanding there is sooooooooo bad

[icy plover]

XD ty for the advice

[carmine rune]

make sure to go on river near the swamp and enjoy haha

[timid flower]

Question. Has Utah growth really been reduced to 75mins?
As all the times I've played after the update they reach adult at around 95mins

[safe galleon]

@barren zephyr man u gotta atleast put som effort into your suggestions

[paper oriole]

didnt even bother to write "add tanystropheus" just puts a meme in GF

laziness reaches a new level

[zenith sparrow]

Is it just me or did deino make the map really tiny. sure it adds a layer of fear but all too often even in the most remote places you find a deino to eat you when drinking. so it makes everyone go to the one shallow area in the map to drink. There is no counter play to them. A good deino will not be seen or detected when sneaking.

[paper oriole]

we have like a 4th of the map unlocked atm

and deinos are relatively new, on top of it being a small roster to pick from

[zenith sparrow]

still ther is only a small part in that 4th that is safe to drink

[paper oriole]

in the future there will be fewer deinos on a bigger map

[brave nova]

there's more than one spot to drink, I guess you mean the shallow river?

[paper oriole]

there are multiple spots with shallow water, they are just smaller than that big stretch

[zenith sparrow]

i understand spread over a larger map that will be less likely and they will be adding other apexs and water dinos in the future. its just as a current player it feels not so great. and keeps most players in the same location wether or not you want to roam.

[brave nova]

lots of people roam

it's really annoying how you can only really steer with A and D as ptera, or else you're wasting stam going up and down.

they really should change it so WASD is horizontal movement only, both for ptera and deino imo

[carmine rune]

no utahs still takes ~95min as you said, i timed my growth plenty of time, also carno still takes 2h30m

[carmine rune]

agree

[sonic mural]

Yea it really did feel like I was growing my Utah more than 1 he and 15 minutes lol

[barren zephyr]

If anything grows feel longer for some reason. not sure why.

[swift dew]

@sand scroll do you want an explanation of what I want for the rex F call?

[paper oriole]

Would rather have horn options for ceratopsians, cerato and carno

So players can choose their style, would definitely be nice to have variation

[vale pawn]

[paper oriole]

while laying down to reduce hunger/thirst drain makes sense logically, it would only encourage AFK especially for carnis who should be especially discouraged form it

if it is unique to an animal maybe it could work, but not a general mechanic

[barren zephyr]

Would be cool if laying down reduces your hunger since your not using any energy. Would be smart for some Dinos to sit and wait for food to come by and would help if they can do that longer without worrying about starving to death. I don’t know if anyone agrees but I think it would be a great feature please consider. Thanks. Btw how is this AFK and if so why is that a bad thing makes no sense at all. Animals do this in the wild they wait for prey to surprise them.

[paper oriole]

did you just paste that from your suggestion

and afk is a bad thing because people who afk are wasting a server slot and not taking par tin the ecosystem

starving to death should be something to worry about especially for predators

[vestal rune]

keep in mind this is a GAME, you should be encouraged to actually play it

[paper oriole]

if you encourage this afk gameplay it also makes it easier to grow the apex dinos and we get the shitty situation in legacy where there are 50 rexes on one server

[vale pawn]

the animals that do this are ones like spiders, mantis, anglerfish, ect which are designed to be waiting for prey. The playables in the isle are active predators that have to search for prey, and would only wait to ambush when they found prey and waiting for it to pass by

[still raptor]

It promotes afk because it encourages the player to sit and pretty much be fine on food for a while.

[barren zephyr]

It will force territories if one is successful on killing what’s in the area they should be allowed to stay there. If a raptor pack wants to stay in one area and hunt they should be able to and then the server will know that area is dangerous. Rn people do it anyway in certain spots. I’m not asking for a huge decrease but it’s not fair the herbies can do it with no penalty but a Utah pack has to constantly hunt and heal

[vale pawn]

diet update

[tawny juniper]

I would hope that carnivorous gameplay includes hunting and healing, otherwise it's just herbi with a different food source

[barren zephyr]

Rn there’s packs of tentos going around hunting the dang carnivores and we can’t do anything about it. They have all the advantages and they don’t ever get hungry like us or run outta Stam. There so bored they are hunting carnivores that’s not how things should be

[wispy quail]

fix the holes in your map hidden under bushes its no fun spending 4-5 hours on a dino only to drop into a hole u cant get out of

[paper oriole]

tenonto is slower than both land predators

you can do something about it

[barren zephyr]

Yea I can run lol

[paper oriole]

yep

[vale pawn]

then run

[worn pumice]

Or u can be a carno and fight them

[barren zephyr]

And loose food and territory

[tawny juniper]

There's your solution

[paper oriole]

lmao territory

[barren zephyr]

While they continues to chase

[worn pumice]

Carno has a 50/50 with teno

And it’s faster

[tawny juniper]

Territory? If this an rp server then things are different

Last I checked there wasn't a territory system

[still raptor]

Territory system seems good on paper but in reality, it can be abused easily.

[barren zephyr]

Wym if your in a area hunting where there’s food that’s a territory doesn’t have to specify anything outside the fact it’s area of space your surveying

[tawny juniper]

And as for the food, It's unfortunate but if you are going to wait around for the tennos to leave or come on discord to complain about it then you're going to starve

[tawny juniper]

That isn't territory, That's your location on the map

[paper oriole]

oh noes OWO the big meanie tenontos are attacking me and my deathscarclaw uwutah pack UWU rawr xD what will i dowo

we gonna lowose our tewwitowy

[barren zephyr]

If that area is too dangerous to continue to find food there u lost that area and the food possibly roaming there

[tawny juniper]

Utah pack made an oopsie woopsi

[barren zephyr]

No the there’s areas that have different geographic features in this game

[vale pawn]

[tawny juniper]

That isn't territory, That's just the map not being bland

[barren zephyr]

U wouldn’t say the plains is the same territory has the south pound would you?

Im sure you wouldn’t

[tawny juniper]

I wouldn't say either are territory, I would say ponds and plains are different locations

[barren zephyr]

Dying on the territory hill

[tawny juniper]

What you're doing is roleplay

[barren zephyr]

Google the word

[paper oriole]

if you're getting harassed by a slower animal that cant walksniff in your uhh "territory" just move somewhere else

[tawny juniper]

Territory isn't a feature in the game you're roleplaying

It's not like your "territory" is the only place on the map that has food

[barren zephyr]

If your keep others out it is

lol

What

[paper oriole]

...

[tawny juniper]

Even if every player is there, there's still ai, It's hard to find but it does exist

[barren zephyr]

That’s literally a territory

Omg lol

[tawny juniper]

If you keep everyone out then that's the place on the map without food

[paper oriole]

so youre complaining that other players aren't respecting your RP turf?

[barren zephyr]

Everyone that could take your food you brainiac

What miragai

[tawny juniper]

Sniffs air... "I smell intruders on my turf! Claw pack let's get them!"

[barren zephyr]

Read

[paper oriole]

if they take it, it is no longer yours

[still raptor]

Why did you not just say Region? Territory is a terrible word in that context.

[paper oriole]

"hey bloodfang, i smell tenontos in our uwutah turf territory, we must meet them in battle!" "yes, shadowclaw uwu"

[vale pawn]

look at africa, lions have large territories yet animals still decide to stay there bc thats where they get resources

[barren zephyr]

So what’s the plan to run away every time seems like the only avenue from this lot

[paper oriole]

if you can't fight it you run, that's just how it be

[vale pawn]

fight or flight

[tawny juniper]

If you want to roleplay with turf and territory set up an rp server, if you won't do that then stop crying about it on servers that aren't for rp

[paper oriole]

unlike the tenonto you have the choice

[barren zephyr]

I wanna stand ground but it’s impossible to with herds of tento and stego around guarding kills they didn’t even commit they just do it out of boredom

Shit is in every server

[tawny juniper]

You win some you lose some

[still raptor]

Ok, so explain to me how your "territory" system will work and how will it affect the playable roster.

Full in-depth explanation.

[paper oriole]

honestly can't blame them, i'd want to starve the uwutah and carno overpopulation away too lol there's nothing else to do

[barren zephyr]

Well I agree u not gunna win every battle but the idea is you have no idea there’s nothing wrong with that lol I think there’s ways to fix it but every will cry afk

[paper oriole]

your solution is just to afk in a bush?

[tawny juniper]

Why would a stego give a shit about territory unless they have something to lose from fighting over it, a pack of four utahs isn't going to do much to the stego so why not invade

[barren zephyr]

In fact if it was a real survival afk shouldn’t even matter

[paper oriole]

tenontos being mean so you're just gonan go pout in the corner?

[tawny juniper]

It's like why would a deer give a shit about a raccoons territory

Territory is generally only a thing between the species, Giraffe don't give a shit about lions territory. Other lions do.

[barren zephyr]

So if the Utah’s could be more versatile it would even out the playing field a bit

Idk what y’all crying about lol more then me

[tawny juniper]

Utah, one of the most versatile animals in the game?

[paper oriole]

more versatile = afk in a bush

okay dokay

[barren zephyr]

They can’t take down a pack of tentos lol

Foh

U must suck has a tento

[paper oriole]

they can run from a pack of tenontos

[barren zephyr]

To die like that

So they are rats and they should be mongoose

[tawny juniper]

No wonder, Utah pack vs tenno pack isn't how it's supposed to go. It's supposed to be utah pack vs. 1 tenno maybe 2

[paper oriole]

outnumbered utahs can run from tenontos, outnumbered tenontos have a much harder time escaping

if anything you have it easier in that matchup

[barren zephyr]

Raptors should be able to take time with there attack. Plan it out but there a sense of urgency with them way more then other dinos

[tawny juniper]

They can take time to plan an attack, If you aren't starving then you have time

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

So the second u kill

U gotta be ready to plan another attack

[tawny juniper]

No

[barren zephyr]

Before i even find another Dino to kill

[tawny juniper]

The second you run out of food, You have to start considering an attack

[barren zephyr]

No

Not at all

[tawny juniper]

Again this isn't roleplay

You don't run out of food the second you don't have any

[barren zephyr]

Wtf are u on about rp. Must be tryna make a friend laugh. Um no the second your filled up and there’s no food you gotta find more. Then the planning if your lucky your back to half hunger

[vale pawn]

i think u can go a while without food and just hangout/travel/do something else before u gotta find more

[barren zephyr]

I disagree

Not enough time

[tawny juniper]

"wtf are u on about rp" 1. territory, 2. you think that you need find food the second you don't hve a source

[barren zephyr]

That’s my point tbh

Yea on about

[vale pawn]

ive travelled across the entire map as pterano and only needed a couple fish

[barren zephyr]

Meaning u still can’t let go

Get over it

Try it

[paper oriole]

not enough time? just go to the hotspots and there are things everywhere

[barren zephyr]

Your not funny

[tawny juniper]

Then your point contradicts what you just said

[barren zephyr]

What hotspots

[tawny juniper]

"I disagree, not enough time"

"That's my point"

[paper oriole]

at several areas along the waterway there are spots that players accumulate

[barren zephyr]

Someone laugh for carter

He needs it

[tawny juniper]

If you really struggle this much as a utah then I think it's in your best interest to not play it

[barren zephyr]

And idk I seen those spots and yes they got food usually already dead and a lot of activity

Like it’s always trouble

[paper oriole]

but carter, he wants to play the cool raptor from the JP movies!

uwu

[barren zephyr]

Carter it’s your best interest to find something to do rn

[tawny juniper]

Is that what you're going to say so I can stop proving you wrong

[paper oriole]

ok then steal food from somebody

[tawny juniper]

If you struggle this much, then play pt it's much easier

[barren zephyr]

Proving? My dude is a loser lmao u wanna debate me bro?

[paper oriole]

if you go there and there are already a bunch of bodies, start some shit and steal them

[tawny juniper]

Then when you get the concept of how the game works you can try utah

[barren zephyr]

Debate me bro? Lol

Wow Foh

[tawny juniper]

I would call this a debate.

[barren zephyr]

Debate your mom bro

Lol wow

[paper oriole]

what are you 10?

[tawny juniper]

Did you respond to yourself saying "your mom"

[paper oriole]

this is just devolving into salt

[barren zephyr]

Aye buddy debating out here fresh from his high school debate team

Lmao

[tawny juniper]

"Debate bro

Debate your mom"

[tawny juniper]

You're the one who brought up debating....

[barren zephyr]

Lmao buddy it’s okay

[paper oriole]

don't think anything constructive is gonna come out of danny here

[tawny juniper]

Can we get back to talking about your point if not stop crying about debates and your mom

[barren zephyr]

Debate someone bro

[vale pawn]

when the argument is desperate

[tawny juniper]

If I just stopped talking I feel like he'd keep going

[barren zephyr]

My point is made but I’m sure u want me to stop making of fun of your weirdo mentality of im gunna debate you bro !

[paper oriole]

let's just get to the point, afk is bad gameplay, if you are starving as a utah while acknowledging that there are other players around then you should play something else or deal with dying. fair? fair.

[tawny juniper]

wtf?

[barren zephyr]

It’s very macho

[worn pumice]

I’m debating on whether I should join this furry rp territory convo or not

[paper oriole]

probably one of those warrior clan rp utahs

[tawny juniper]

Again if you want to do territories then start an rp server

[paper oriole]

honestly not even worth it aside from the entertainment

[barren zephyr]

Utah’s should be able to lay down without starving and the babies mad about that should find something about there life to be mad it cuz this ain’t it

[tawny juniper]

It can

It can sit down without starving

[paper oriole]

you can lay down without starving

[tawny juniper]

Watch a video of utah gameplay I'm not lying

[barren zephyr]

And here goes the babies 👶

Oh really

Cool

I’m sure

[tawny juniper]

says the person who constantly brngs up unrelated points and won't commit to the original discussion...

[barren zephyr]

Y’all was quick huh

Oh boy carter where’s my violin

[paper oriole]

te only person who is angry here seems to be you as well since you've resorted to name calling

[tawny juniper]

have you played the game recently

[barren zephyr]

🎻

[tawny juniper]

utah for that matter

[barren zephyr]

🎻 🎶

Lol name calling omg

This guy

[tawny juniper]

If you can find a video of utah starving the second it sits down then I will apologize and say your right, but if not.... then

[barren zephyr]

Out here holding on to the territory comment but now wants to cry about the name calling

Lol geez

[paper oriole]

convinced this kid is just trolling at this point to distract from the fact that he has no solid ground for his arguments

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

[barren zephyr]

What argument lol

[sonic mural]

[barren zephyr]

Who are u debating bro

[vale pawn]

[tawny juniper]

You won't commit to the original discussion at all, all you're doing now is calling people names, and.... playing a violin?

[barren zephyr]

Lmao

For you

Look at you

[tawny juniper]

The one you've been participating in for the past half an hour...

[paper oriole]

welp i'm gonna dip and wait for something remotely constructive to pop up in feedback instead, see ya AFKraptor. no point in continuing to fuel a troll

[tawny juniper]

[barren zephyr]

Well that’s fine I mean you literally had the last 30 min to that but I didn’t go off topic I said the Utah should not be loosing hunger while it’s laying down has much has it does and y’all fucking cried about it

Who gives af about afk

[barren zephyr]

Your still gunna play it regardless

So afk to me isn’t an issue

Makes sense actually to do it

[tawny juniper]

how?

[barren zephyr]

How is dumb question

[carmine rune]

i bet those mods in the voice channel are having a laugh

[worn pumice]

It makes sense to afk?

[sonic mural]

Lmao

[barren zephyr]

Simply put it, why do you hate it. What’s your case to rage against afk

[tawny juniper]

It makes sense to have game centered around survival where you can just sit in a bush in order to win

[worn pumice]

Honestly

U can’t be that stupid

[sonic mural]

Bcuz sitting in a bush growing is dumb

[tawny juniper]

It isn't survival if you're just sitting a bush

[barren zephyr]

What’s the big bad thing that afk causes you to cry about

[sonic mural]

It’s a survival game u gotta work for it to grow

[worn pumice]

Let’s just play the game by not actually playing it

[tawny juniper]

The fact that it literally disregards the point of playing a game like this

[barren zephyr]

Yea and I’m killing to eat so how is that not working for it?

Do I gotta role play and travel the land for food or can’t I just sit where I k ow it’s gunna be ? Seems kinda odd you want me to follow a rule

[swift dew]

killing something eating, going back to a bush to hide for the next 15 minutes while watching a youtube video is not how the game is meant to be played

[barren zephyr]

So playing the game is timing around for food? Lol

That’s it

[tawny juniper]

There's a difference between staying in an area for food and sitting in a bush because there is food nearby

[vale pawn]

[sonic mural]

Nice pfp benji

[barren zephyr]

Yea and I don’t see anything wrong with either

[vale pawn]

Spiiiiiin

[tawny juniper]

wrong with what

[barren zephyr]

This

Why is that an issue for you

Is it not role playing?

[worn pumice]

Imagine defending afk growing

This is actually giving me a tumor

[sonic mural]

[barren zephyr]

Seems like y’all are defending an only way to play like it’s role playing

[vale pawn]

[worn pumice]

^

[tawny juniper]

Because it disregards the point of the game, You're supposed to be moving around getting food, not sitting in a bush eating every 15 minutes. That's why the utah food drain doesn't take forever

[sonic mural]

It’s not the only way to play

[barren zephyr]

So if I roam around it’s the rule and every one is happy but if I sit and wait for my food to come to me I’m not role playing anymore and I’m breaking the game...

[worn pumice]

what?

[tawny juniper]

?

[worn pumice]

wtf is this

[swift dew]

it isnt the only way to play, we are saying afk grow isnt good. if you have to afk just to get to play the game then the game is bad. hence the mechanics that will combat afk growth