general-feedback-discussion

[tepid gate]

but as it is this game is not a survival horror and there being global or not changes very little about it

[paper oriole]

and thats why servers could turn it off

[tawdry holly]

pfff, it increases it for others

[tepid gate]

The only difference it makes for me is that people are much more quiet now

[paper oriole]

some people like going into death match and basking in all the salt and toxicity in global while screwing around and taking a break from survival from time to time

[tawdry holly]

for me, not having a global chat feels like I'm being restricted and confined to players that aren't even near by

[paper oriole]

the carno megapack broadcast spam already ruins the immersion and horror feel, global is no worse

[barren zephyr]

Honestly true ^

[paper oriole]

literally even as a ptera i couldnt get away from that trash lmao

[barren zephyr]

Megapacks in general herbi or carnivore kinda ruin the game

[paper oriole]

carnos spam calling everywhere

[tepid gate]

There's borderline 0 horror in the game anyways. As for immersion - yea there are far bigger factors that affect it.

[tawdry holly]

being able to talk to people makes half the game at this point to me, because of that taking out global is like taking out half the experience

[paper oriole]

they can't make designs like the evrima utahraptor and then claim they want horror lol

[barren zephyr]

cough nocturnal Eoch could fix that horror thing-

[tepid gate]

We would need proper nightvision first

[barren zephyr]

Fair enough

But a nocturnal mid tier therapod would make me shit myself if I were a Utah in a bush

[tepid gate]

While taking out global doesn't make the game unplayable for me it does make it worse and limits the servers that I'd be willing to play on

[paper oriole]

yeah takes away the option to take a break and just mess around on community and deathmatch servers

now the isle only has one mood to play in

[barren zephyr]

That mood is kill

[tawdry holly]

exactly, servers should be versatile

[paper oriole]

removal of an already toggleable option that could at least remain an option in sandbox when that comes seemed entirely unnecessary

[tepid gate]

It's just generally a weird decision considering the devs were going for the customisation of experience where the server owners were meant to decide how the game would be played on their server.

[barren zephyr]

Just bring back old legacy DV rooms, global chat, and sandbox and legacy players will come flooding in like a flash flood

Simple as that

[tawdry holly]

if they wanted a horror vibe they could just make a solo campaign

[barren zephyr]

People will get to practice the new evrima mechanics and dinos
, have fun, and trash talk

[tepid gate]

I think some of the devs have said that the "horror" label was more so meant for humans not for dinosaurs

[barren zephyr]

Honestly I see the trash talking as one of the best parts of legacy

[tepid gate]

To me it was a non-issue. People sometimes just say bad things on chat but it's w/e. They still do that now, just on local.

[tawdry holly]

it's the best part of any pvp game

[barren zephyr]

You’ll kill someone or be halfway across the map and just see the chat explode with random profanity’s as some dilos bitch at a trike that killed their friend that charged head first into it like a moron

It was fun lol

[tawdry holly]

or a rex gets ganked by a galli

[barren zephyr]

That too

[paper oriole]

the salt in global was the best part of some servers in legacy

[barren zephyr]

Agreed ^

[paper oriole]

shite servers like IoFT

sometimes i got on just to start a little shit and watch the global meltdown

[tawdry holly]

we need that element back, otherwise evrima just falls flat

gets boring real quick

[barren zephyr]

Bush growing is still a thing but now it’s boring

[paper oriole]

sometimes im just not in the mood for creepy and want a lighthearted break of screwing around in some toxic sandbox server

[barren zephyr]

Cause you can’t pass the time arguing with some random person in global lol

[paper oriole]

they remove global so people dont sit in bushes and chat instead of making growth less miserable

i DON'T want to run around with a baby stego or most other herbi juvies because they are dull as fuck to grow and removing global won't fix that

[tawdry holly]

and that's the joy in the game honestly. it's not growing your apex because it never happens without a financial push, and it's not winning a fight. it's the player interaction that makes the game, and without that interaction it feels like i'm playing a multiplayer game with nothing but bots

[barren zephyr]

I still bush grow- I just play my switch while doing so. Monster hunter rise just came out and stories 2 is soon to follow . I’ll bush grow as much as I want to lol I’ve got time killers

[tawdry holly]

(not to mention there's nothing horror about the game)

[paper oriole]

growing can be fun, legacy rex wasn't miserable to grow people just hid in bushes anyway because they were lazy dipshits

[tepid gate]

I personally don't do that - I just leave the stego in a bush and go play another game or watch/read something in the meantime.

[barren zephyr]

Actually when your a lone cera in legacy and successfully defend yourself against a pack of 7 Utah’s, killing them all. there’s not much better lol

[paper oriole]

but juvie herbis, oh lord. and juvie giga was bushworthy too

juvie herbs in ev are slow and dull so far

[tawdry holly]

poggers moment?

[worn pumice]

juvi trike

wow

that was literally sit in a bush

[tepid gate]

Yea Tenonto and Stego are miserable

[paper oriole]

trike wasnt even worth growing

unlike rex and giga, trike wasnt worth the suffering

[worn pumice]

^^^

they gutted it so hard

[barren zephyr]

Also deino bush growing is a thing too lol

[feral solstice]

At least deino bush growing makes more sense then say a Utah bush growing

[paper oriole]

yeah i found like 4 juvie deinos hiding in the woods while i was screwing around on hypsi a while ago

[tepid gate]

Bush growing is the best approach to growing a Deino

[feral solstice]

As much as I hate it

[paper oriole]

good spitting targets at least

[tawdry holly]

what's bush growing?

[barren zephyr]

Staying away from the cannibal adult deinos as you let the fish respawn and just hide in a bush growing

[tawdry holly]

oh

[paper oriole]

hiding in a bush afk and only getting up to eat/drink

[tepid gate]

You just leave the animal in a bush and let it stay there hidden so that you don't get killed

[barren zephyr]

Ye

[paper oriole]

also diets won't make these juvies interesting either

[tawdry holly]

utah needs a nerf because it gets behind anything xD

[barren zephyr]

I still want nocturnal Eoch thou....

[tepid gate]

I think there should be additional things to the diets

[paper oriole]

people keep saying "oh diets will spice things up" like no it will not make slow ass useless juvie herbis interesting

[tepid gate]

e.g. you need to eat appropriate things and then do certain tasks to have a buff to the growth rate.

[barren zephyr]

Also the new roadmap is shit

[tawdry holly]

my diet consists of eating when i'm hungry

i will consume all

[barren zephyr]

I’d like dinos that correspond with the new mechanics being added to be added with the mechanic

[worn pumice]

utah isnt in the greatest spot rn actually

[barren zephyr]

Like ovi and Galli with eggs. Cera and maggy with diets

[tepid gate]

It does have some issues indeed

[paper oriole]

utah is still everywhere so it clearly isnt in that much pain right now

[worn pumice]

no like utah itself is fine

[feral solstice]

I mean as long as they can produce said product while also producing the other product and NOT taking months to do so, yeah, add the Dino along with the mechanic

Otherwise

[tepid gate]

That's because growing anything in the game is still easy

[tawdry holly]

I offered the idea of a diploticus, not because of new developments but because it's manageable compared to the unplayable pue and the dwarfed cama

[feral solstice]

Mechanics first than dinos

[worn pumice]

but the pounce needs sum work

[feral solstice]

At least that’s how I see it

[barren zephyr]

Utah is fine. People just need to stop attacking deinos and stegos as a Utah and then whine when they die

[tepid gate]

the fact that Stego was everywhere in update 2 didn't change the fact that it was in a bad spot with utah just destroying it

[tawdry holly]

stego still destroys

[paper oriole]

utah is ugly af so they should just leave it the way it is and hopefully a better playable becomes the new popular kid in the future

[hoary dawn]

troodon

[tawdry holly]

bleh

[paper oriole]

better than jp raptor at least

[tepid gate]

Utah will always be popular because it's a raptor. People like raptors so they will play it

[tawdry holly]

microraptor

[paper oriole]

god utah's design is so vomit bad

microraptor can't even be called fodder because he isn't worth the effort to hunt

[tawdry holly]

give the hypsi a reasonable predator

[paper oriole]

it would be too small

LOL micro wouldnt hunt hypsi

[barren zephyr]

JP raptors were bad

[paper oriole]

its like the size of a crow

[barren zephyr]

JP world raptors? Awful

JP 3 raptors? Actually not that bad-

[paper oriole]

other small guys are comign to add predators for hypsi

[tawdry holly]

not in all aspects

especially the jp3 raptors

[paper oriole]

shanag or changyu would be a better glider than micro

[barren zephyr]

I liked the JP 3 raptors

The males having quills and being more colorful tickled my fancy

[paper oriole]

if the jp raptors dropped the pronated arms they wouldnt be too bad

the jp3 raptor si mean

[tawdry holly]

we're not looking for a glider, were looking to give the hypsi a carnivorous equal

[paper oriole]

well micro aint it

[tawdry holly]

f

[hoary dawn]

surely velo is coming back at some point

[barren zephyr]

Actually... honestly metri could also work as a nocturnal therapod

[paper oriole]

hypsi is like velo sized

[barren zephyr]

Banded jungle predator

[tawdry holly]

roughly

[paper oriole]

so a scrappy ass little crow won't hunt it

[tawdry holly]

allo is jungle predator

.>

[barren zephyr]

Allo is a sprinter lol

Can’t do that in jungles

[tawdry holly]

jurassic period. lots of thick forests

[paper oriole]

troodon, velo, maybe rugops would be better at hunting hypsi than micro

[tawdry holly]

and that's thiCCC forests

[barren zephyr]

Lots of thicc forests as in red woods

Allos have no trouble in those

Cause big trees

[tawdry holly]

redwoods were cretaceous I thought

[barren zephyr]

In the current evrima jungles- allos are in a poor spot

All the fallen logs, and low trees

[tawdry holly]

hmmm, true...

[barren zephyr]

Their overhead view might even be up in the leaves with their size

Cera and Utah will be the jungle menaces

But i will continue to say that Eoch would fit in perfectly aswell in the jungles

[tawdry holly]

what is eoch?

[barren zephyr]

Read up a fair bit

[paper oriole]

nocturnal midget acro

[barren zephyr]

My idea for a nocturnal mid tier carnivore

[barren zephyr]

That

[tawdry holly]

so return of the giggle chicken?

[barren zephyr]

But with more bleed, less damage, and dark coloration to hide it in the jungles

And no-

[tawdry holly]

but when bravo six giggle chicken goes dark

[paper oriole]

isnt austro the giggle chicken

[tawdry holly]

oh

acro.....

[paper oriole]

lol

[tawdry holly]

isnt that a bootleg allo?

[hoary dawn]

the choo choo train

[paper oriole]

no acro is bigger than allo

[barren zephyr]

Allo isn’t nocturnal

[tawdry holly]

ah

[barren zephyr]

Like eoch would be-

[paper oriole]

its just allo's fat bodybuilder cousin

[barren zephyr]

Technically acros little annoying cousin who can’t sleep

[paper oriole]

basically

[tawdry holly]

return of the dilo

[barren zephyr]

This thing would eat dilos

[paper oriole]

well dilo will be dealing drugs now

[barren zephyr]

He peddling

[worn pumice]

im gonna get high on purpose

[tawdry holly]

we need a dino that competes with utah mainly, cuz stego can handle a carno

[barren zephyr]

There will be herbi groups who kidnap dilos just to get them high

[tawdry holly]

lmao

[barren zephyr]

Same with troodons

[tawdry holly]

"we'll nest 4 babies and you can eat two of them"

oof

[barren zephyr]

Sacrifices to the druggie dilo of the group

Gonna stroll out of the herd with all the tentos rolling on the ground and the stegos trying to eat rocks

[tawdry holly]

but I can see with the current version of the isle, dilos being really scary

[barren zephyr]

If eoch would ever be considered I’d like it to be around 1550 in Weight. 185 N of bite. Very good bleed. Just barely slower than tento, and with great night vision and resistance to dilo and troodon venom

[tawdry holly]

what's the full name?

I wanna google it

[paper oriole]

eocarcharia or something

[barren zephyr]

eocarcharia

Ye

There’s various depictions of it in various ways thou- some think it had concaventor like back ridges

Some think it looked more like an acro

[tawdry holly]

oh, but it's not a very big predator

[barren zephyr]

And some think it was just a mini Giga

And no

[paper oriole]

if they mad eit look unique it would be better

[barren zephyr]

It’s smaller than a carno

[tawdry holly]

it's a dwarf giga

[barren zephyr]

Basically

[paper oriole]

with how many theropods we have they kinda start to get boring visually lol

[tawdry holly]

it's snoutier though

[barren zephyr]

I say make it nocturnal- give it iguana back spines and a mini ridge above its shoulders, the Giga head plates just toned down a bit- and then make it dark greens and browns,

[tawdry holly]

now that I think about it, the eoch looks like a blend between giga and allo

[hoary dawn]

how dare people do things for fun in a videogame

[barren zephyr]

Make it look like it belongs in the jungle nights going for the kill

[paper oriole]

i kinda feel bad saying this but that latest feedback looks like google translate and it lowkey made me chuckle

[tawdry holly]

nuh, iguana needs to be a smooth baby

[barren zephyr]

No like an actually iguanas back

[tawdry holly]

honestly I think they'll make them as accurate as they can

[barren zephyr]

With the lazy spines and all that

[paper oriole]

don't count on accuracy in designs for the isle

it is very hit or miss

[barren zephyr]

And also Eoch kinda only has like a part of its jaw and I think some teeth found from it

Bout as much info on it as there is on Pue

[tawdry holly]

iguanadon had a big backbone, not a spine

[barren zephyr]

I’m talking about modern day iguanas

[paper oriole]

is it certain eoch wasn't a juvenile of another large allosaur/carchardontosaur like the whole nanotyrannus fiasco?

[barren zephyr]

Latest studies classify it as its own thing

[tawdry holly]

oh

[tawdry holly]

nah I looked it up

[paper oriole]

like this

[barren zephyr]

So as far as we know right now, eoch is its own species

Also can we talk about how tyrannotitan is part of the Giga family and not the rex?

Okay- anyway yeah, give Eoch the biggest of the nocturnal hunters title and turn its stealth upto 100

[paper oriole]

oh god, class is typing in feedback

i wonder what heresy he will bless us with this time

[silver zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

Ha

Also- I just found this boi

Looks like a monitor and Allo had a child

Maybe he would work better as a nocturnal predator...

[tawdry holly]

scary looking too

[compact hare]

that java banana is

[barren zephyr]

Hes big thou. 30-36 ft. Around Allo sized

[paper oriole]

australovenator would make a decent nocturnal too, though his unique arms are kinda ruined by JP raptor and the dev team's love for pronation

idk why i kinda just remembered that guy but hes pretty cool

[barren zephyr]

Australo?

[hoary dawn]

carnivores can eat other carnivores too my guy

[barren zephyr]

Ye he would work too

[paper oriole]

@turbid mauve limiting carni slots per server will most likely just lead to deader servers because people will just go elsewhere if they can't play on their preferred faction

oh and before you try to talk game logic with class, he speaks from an RP perspective

[barren zephyr]

I still think you take eoch and make it look unique as no one really knows what it looks like, and then just go from there

[blazing charm]

Oooooo, are we talkin about a new creature suggestion?

[limber hull]

i mean, to be fair, carnivores eat other carnivores, so really nothing is lost by overpopulation, but I can at least agree we have a problem atm

[blazing charm]

I haven't seen one of these in a hot minute, what's the creature in question?

[paper oriole]

eocarcharia

[barren zephyr]

My idea for a nocturnal mid tier carnivore which is basically gigas little brother

[paper oriole]

basically midget nighttime acro

[blazing charm]

...Eo what now-

[barren zephyr]

Look him up he’s kinda cool

[icy lion]

acro but allo sized

[barren zephyr]

Smaller ^

[paper oriole]

he's more cerato sized isnt he

[blazing charm]

Oh wow, it literally is just acro.

[barren zephyr]

Smaller than a carno

[worn pumice]

lmao

[icy lion]

oh wow

tiny acro

[barren zephyr]

And make it nocturnal-

[turbid mauve]

They'll be able to be nested in. Make them work for it.

[blazing charm]

Yeah gonna be honest, even with the nocturnal aspect, I really don't see anything unique here.

[barren zephyr]

Hes carnivorist :0

Ehhh you could really change its appearance however you want. All people have really found of it is part of its jaw and a ridge above its eye

[paper oriole]

personally if they added yet another theropod i'd love to see masiaka... or australovenator because he's hot and may be a good nocturnal

[worn pumice]

baby acro

[barren zephyr]

Everything greyed out is speculated

[paper oriole]

oh that's austra lol

[barren zephyr]

Ohhh

My brain isn’t working :0

[paper oriole]

he do look pretty good tho

[turbid mauve]

The quantity of implanted herbivores should be limitless, the quantity of implanted carnivores should be limited.

[barren zephyr]

Austra would work as a nocturnal pred too honestly

[limber hull]

class kinda has a point, cause atm deinos kinda just rule the server, and the issue with them is that they don't die much and completely dominate any food source near their water. The only thing deinos act as food for frequently is other deinos, so without enough of the other dinos, you kinda have the big deinos eating little deinos and nothing else eating anything besides each other. Not to mention the fact that herbivores, when they do spawn, can fuck off from the primary hunting grounds and essentially never be found. And on top of all that, you have the pteras which, when played well, rarely ever engage with other players and are pretty poor food sources. But player restriction is frustrating as fuck

[barren zephyr]

Hes still carnivorist

Racist against carnivores

[noble pine]

@fringe surge I mean, Don’t get hit? Don’t get thrown off or miss? You’re punished for failing as an attacker and sometimes you pay with your life.

[paper oriole]

eo and austra are relatively similar in size, both being around 20 feet and austra being a bit heavier

[barren zephyr]

Honestly thou Kel would be a cool dino to drag in. Have them at a level smaller than Allo and maybe semi aquatic?

[noble pine]

So acro fodder?

Or allo fodder actually

[paper oriole]

while there is the valid point of servers being like 80% carni, forcing a cap on a faction is a crappy way to try to fix the issue

[turbid mauve]

I try to be indifferent. People get more indignant.

[limber hull]

agreed

[paper oriole]

rather than making things annoying for carnis, they should just make herbis the more appealing faction to unbiased and casual players who haven't already made up their mind on sticking to the carni faction

[barren zephyr]

Honestly either or works

[limber hull]

issue also is two of the latest added carnis are kinda like "haha im in an environment where i'm safe, fuck you"

so you have like 50% of the server at least very hard to find/fight/catch/kill

[barren zephyr]

But now that deinos in the waterways aquatic herbis kinda don’t work

[paper oriole]

and if you want to be a flyer at all you gotta go carni too, no omni or herbi option for flying revealed yet

[barren zephyr]

Cause not much is getting past an 8 ton gator

[paper oriole]

carnis just have way better niche coverage

[limber hull]

yea, herbis are kinda less varied which is a fair issue

[noble pine]

But herbi is the more desirable faction, food is easy to find, stego is currently the strongest dino in game. Both tenonto and stego are better than Carno and Utah AND you don’t have to grow hypsi

[limber hull]

like seriously, give herbis the more appealing gimmicks

[barren zephyr]

Anky might revive herbi once it’s in

[paper oriole]

herbivores are relatively neglected in niche coverage plus carnis also have the appeal of strains

[limber hull]

otherwise people won't play them

[noble pine]

Bad herbivore biased, let people play what they want without making shit biased

[paper oriole]

anky redesign is peepeepoopoo

[barren zephyr]

Anky and para will probably revive herbis. Anky cause if they do it RIGHT it’ll be very fun

[glad dirge]

carnis will always have the appeal factor, and theres a goal of survive and kill other peoplel

[barren zephyr]

And para cause they just majestic as hell

[limber hull]

okay, at least make the herbivore's gimmicks on par with the carnivores

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[paper oriole]

how is wanting more coverage for an underplayed faction bias though

[barren zephyr]

#fixanky

[noble pine]

Burrowing is just as interesting than grappling

So they already are

[paper oriole]

we're not saying "ruin it for carnis, fuck them, give herbis everything and more"

[noble pine]

And only herbivores can burrow

So

[limber hull]

okay what about evermia

[noble pine]

Minmi can burrow underwater

[limber hull]

lmao

[noble pine]

Or will

I should say

[limber hull]

play evermia herbi for an experience that boils down to carnivore hell

i like evermia a lot

[barren zephyr]

So for herbis right now we have a very long tail boi who can slam that tail on dino Glavenus style- a spitting squeaker, a walking thagomizer, and a dodging machine

[limber hull]

but holy shit herbivores have so little going for them

[barren zephyr]

Everything but tento is underwhelming

[paper oriole]

carnivores can fly, swim (herbis are getting a bottom tier swimmer), have nocturnals, wacky fighting mechanics like venom, can snif fwhile walking and currently have mor eenjoyable juvie stages for the forseeable future

[glad dirge]

teno is honestly extremely cool

[limber hull]

teno is cool because it's got like the most varied fighting style going on

[paper oriole]

carnivores have achieving strains to look forward to while herbis get nothing equal to that

[limber hull]

it's crazy

[barren zephyr]

Tento is the only good herbi rn

[noble pine]

Tail slam, claw attack, biting, rear kick, jabbing, spitting, dodging compared to charging, pounding and grabbing

[limber hull]

half of that is essentially tento

lmao

[noble pine]

But that’s still on a herbivore.

[limber hull]

fair

but like

[barren zephyr]

The only good herbivore thou

[noble pine]

Herbivores still have better gameplay and mechanics overall rn.

[noble pine]

Stego? Lmfao

[glad dirge]

the only thing keeping it back is its weird bucking yeet yeet no more delete problems

[paper oriole]

that's just different attack animations for the most part, the spit is useless for defense and only good for trolling, the dodge is so useless they buffed dryo's speed rather than fix it

[limber hull]

dryo is legit a less appealing raptor and the gimmick for hypsi is bleh

[barren zephyr]

Stego is kinda lame

[noble pine]

Stego can’t be grabbed and can tank 2 deinos at once

Bruh

[limber hull]

stego is a long-growing beast that relies on a single attack

[noble pine]

No it ain’t

[barren zephyr]

Also unbalanced as hell-

[limber hull]

it's cool to be walking tank of death

[glad dirge]

would be a lot cooler if it knew how to use its tail

[barren zephyr]

It can shrug off deino bites in the water like nothing- infact everything but Utah’s can do that

[glad dirge]

cough swipe

[paper oriole]

stego has like no aoe coverage and can't fight back while moving, boring to play unless youre trolling bad carni players who don't know how to fight or run

[noble pine]

Deino relies on 1 attack, utah relies on pounce, hypsi relies on spit, Carno just bites

Like

[limber hull]

but like, you could also be tento for a quicker dino with 4 unique and viable attacks rather than one viable attack

[noble pine]

Everything relies on 1 thing

[limber hull]

nah dude

[barren zephyr]

Deino relies on ambushing, alt turning, and lunging

[limber hull]

deino can drag, ambush, drown, bite, bleed, etc

[barren zephyr]

A lot more fun to play deino then stego

[limber hull]

like deino can kill you in many ways

[barren zephyr]

Despite the painful growing

[limber hull]

stego swings tail till dead

[noble pine]

For attacking? No, they just spam left click

[glad dirge]

deino has painful cannibalism

[turbid mauve]

You gotta admit, I sparked a good conversation for once.

[barren zephyr]

For stegos ye

[limber hull]

stegos spam right click

the fuck

[noble pine]

Stegos left click isn’t biting

Is*

[glad dirge]

deino cant just spam and win it has to use rmb and its alt attacks

[limber hull]

like "deino spams LMB" is not only not true, but stego does the same but worse

[paper oriole]

yeah good job Class

[barren zephyr]

Cause even in water for SOME REASON you can’t grapple stegos and drag them down! Irl crocodiles take wildabeast heavier than then underwater casually

[limber hull]

deino has other shit going on

like drowning players

which is sick

[noble pine]

95% of deinos just spam left click, hence why they never win fights against a competent player

[limber hull]

okay

[glad dirge]

and then they go complaining for a deino buff

[barren zephyr]

So Your the competent player here :0

[noble pine]

Because there’s no tug of war mechanic atm.

[limber hull]

stego HAS to spam RMB

deino has options

[noble pine]

Alt biting and not just sitting there taking hits as deino, so yes

[limber hull]

it can bite but why the fuck would you do that as stego

[barren zephyr]

Also I’m not talking about tug of war. A deino should be able to simply drag a stego down and kill iv its swimming

If*

[noble pine]

it has 1 option, bite thing

[limber hull]

buddy

please

[noble pine]

Lmfao no it shouldn’t

[limber hull]

it has drowning and grabbing as well

[noble pine]

Stego is 6 tons

[barren zephyr]

Again, irl crocs drag things heavier than them them if they are swimming

[limber hull]

it's really not as one-note as you say it is

[noble pine]

And how often does a deino get into a fight and actually use its grapple?

It actually is

[glad dirge]

hm.... that seems too quick, oxygen kills pretty fast. What if deinos water drag drained swimming dinos stamina as they try to stay above water, and they would be able to pull underwater if the dino is out of stam

[barren zephyr]

It doesn’t need to fight anything but stego if it lands the grapple. Everything else is just dead

[paper oriole]

doesnt need tug of war to kill almost the entire current and near upcoming roster with one key to drag it underwater and drown it like a smug bastard, much more satisfying than spearing a few utahs while getting swarmed by 30 of them and having nowhere to escape (unlike deino too)

[noble pine]

“Lands the grapple” yeah good luck actually finding a player who knows how to use grapple properly

[glad dirge]

if you know how to grapple why care about other players when you can delete whats on shore yourself

[barren zephyr]

I mean It’s honestly pretty easy

[paper oriole]

incompetent players not knowing how to use a well made ability doesn't invalidate the ability

[noble pine]

I wish people could grasp that

[barren zephyr]

I’ve picked off charging carnos, cocky Utah’s and a few drinking tentos

[noble pine]

Didn’t say that

[glad dirge]

if you are stealthy about it is a good scare for the victim

[noble pine]

But when 90% of players don’t use it, ever, it does

[barren zephyr]

I will say thou the lunge is still slightly buggy when trying to land it from under the water

[noble pine]

They’ll use it, then run out of the water and spam rmb and either die or run back into the water

[barren zephyr]

Oh cause some dumb people don’t know that you need to HOLD the button to carry them

[noble pine]

It’s hard to actually hit your target, which is again a reason why no one uses it

[primal breach]

bro is it just me or the range of the crocs attack is way to big

[paper oriole]

most of those players probably won't even stick to deino when more theropods come out anyway

[barren zephyr]

It’s buggy, not hard

[noble pine]

That’s what I’m saying

It’s hard because it’s buggy

[paper oriole]

people who have more than 2 brain cells and know how to hold rmb can stay deino and the other idiots can be brushed aside

[barren zephyr]

No it’s just kinda buggy

[limber hull]

I genuinely cannot understand why you are so against more unique mechanics for herbivores

[barren zephyr]

From underwater it sometimes doesn’t register but if a carno is charging you from behind just whip around, grab it and rush back to the water and hey! Free food

[noble pine]

The hit boxes don’t sync, so when you ambush you’re less likely to actually hit your target even if you’re on top of them

[noble pine]

I’m not?

I’m saying they already have them, and have arguably more unique mechanics overall than carnivores.

Except maybe herra since it’s the only thing that can climb

[barren zephyr]

Also the hitbox isn’t its entire jaws. It’s a specific spot like 2 ft infront of its face

[noble pine]

I know.

[barren zephyr]

Then just time the lunges-

[limber hull]

The reason carnivores are played more often is because they have cooler things to do, and looking at the roadmap, they’re going to have climbing, venom and night vision. That’s all cool as fuck but the reason people aren’t playing herbivores is because carnivores have cooler things

[barren zephyr]

Don’t complain about an ability being useless if your just bad at landing the grapples

[noble pine]

I literally don’t have any problems doing it

[limber hull]

Their currently is no swimming herbivore or flying herbivores

[noble pine]

Why are you assuming just because I’m not good at it that’s the reason I’m complaining

[feral solstice]

Im not even gonna bother with this one. Kudos

[barren zephyr]

Cause you keep calling it hard and are saying no one uses it

[paper oriole]

earlier you claimed herbi bias for saying herbis need more niche coverage which heavily suggests you're against the underplayed faction getting more appealing features even though it isn't at the expense of the other factions

[noble pine]

I’ve seen multiple occasions where deinos ambush into a Carno or Utah and it just doesn’t connect with the hit box despite the deino going through them

[barren zephyr]

And honestly good idea

[barren zephyr]

That’s cause they missed with the specific hit booooox

[noble pine]

I said it was hard because of the hit boxes not at syncing

[limber hull]

The fucking hypsi’s ONE GIMMICK doesn’t work in any scenario

[barren zephyr]

Ambushing INTO them isn’t gonna do it. You have to intercept them like your trying to catch a baseball

[paper oriole]

hypsi's gimmick works to troll unsuspecting dinos and that's it

[noble pine]

No, they clearly didn’t, they hit the same area they should’ve, it’s called broken hit boxes

[barren zephyr]

Broken hit boxes are legacy

This is a lot better than that

Like rexes being able to bite 10 ft behind them- the hell was that about

[noble pine]

There isn’t much to compare considering a rex can kill something behind it on legacy

[limber hull]

I don’t even want herbivores to be giant roaming death beasts, some of them should not even be good fighters at the least, but at least diversify their mechanics so that players don’t play them one time, go “yea I wanna play carni instead” and never turn back

[noble pine]

The hit boxes aren’t terrible, but they don’t sync sync it’s really up to luck whether you hit something or not

[barren zephyr]

Ye, so compared to legacy. The hit boxes are as polished as diamonds. I call that a win

[noble pine]

Because both factions should be equally interesting to play, don’t shaft one just so the other seems more interesting despite it already being more interesting to play (and having a wider range of mechanics).

[barren zephyr]

Honestly thou once troodon and maggy come out there will be a lot of people on those two specifically

1 maggy is the first survival surapod

[paper oriole]

HOW is it shafting other factions just to add some perks to the underplayed one???

[barren zephyr]

And 2 troodons gonna make you trip balls

[paper oriole]

carnis already have more niche coverage and are getting strains

[limber hull]

Dryo and hypsi’s gimmicks are so shite it’s better not to use them in an engagement. Stego only spams one ability till everything dies and tento actually is interesting and gets a pass

[paper oriole]

herbis can... attack a bit differently... i guess?

[limber hull]

I’m actually so confused

[paper oriole]

when herbis get a unique gimmick it's poorly done

like spit and dodge

[limber hull]

How are carnivores getting shafted here

[barren zephyr]

Tento is still good thou

Don’t like that they made it smaller thou-

[paper oriole]

literally giving some variety and well needed quality of life to the less played faction doesn't screw mister JP raptor fanboy or rex fanatic over

[barren zephyr]

It was a lot more fun to fight a tento that weight tied with your carno

[limber hull]

Herbivores literally have a little bird fucker which can’t even GROW. It’s missing a core feature to the game and you think that improving herbivores experience shafts carnivores?

[barren zephyr]

Herbis need a lot more love

[hollow minnow]

"little bird fucker"

[paper oriole]

carnis can fly, they are getting multiple aquatics, no nocturnal herbivores are confirmed as far as i know, carnis get a lot of combat variety with venom, grapples and grabs

[limber hull]

Pachy will be a good step in the right direction with their bone breaking ability, but the other herbivores need a look at

[paper oriole]

herbivores eat leaf, can kick and use their tail sometimes, are almost always slower than their predators and don't get strains

[barren zephyr]

OHHHH forgot about pachy

Yeah no pachy done RIGHT will be very fun

Breaking the legs of carnos and Utah’s live

Alike*

[paper oriole]

fracture probably won't be all that unique down the line unfortunately

[barren zephyr]

Yeah noooo they are gonna hand it out left and right

Anything that supposed to have strong jaws will get it. cough which means maybe cera and Alberto

[paper oriole]

cera is somewhat likely especially since he's a bone muncher

[hollow minnow]

Deino... etc, etc,etc,etc....etc...

[limber hull]

It also doesn’t help that their gameplay loop of “go to plains, find like 20 bushes, eat bushes for next 2 hours” isn’t that cool or interesting. Unlike carnivores, finding food is a matter of if you are in plains or not.

[barren zephyr]

Deino and cera might both get it

[paper oriole]

so yeah pachy, as neat as he is, won't be that unique unless he's super duper good at it

[noble pine]

There’s 1 flyer and it’s ass at doing anything but flying, herbivores are also getting multiple aquatics, any herbivore can be nocturnal, especially smaller ones, herbivores have jabs, claw swipes, charges (some cause bone break), biting, tail bashing,

Like

[barren zephyr]

Pachy will just be fun. It better get a carno charge that busts things up

[hollow minnow]

And he should be "super duper" good at it... Or at least I'm hopeful..

[noble pine]

Herbivores have a wide variety of different attacks

[paper oriole]

and being a bit better at something than a bunch of other dinos that have it is kinda just alright okay-ish. can't be sure how fun pachy will be, but i'm ready for disappointment

[barren zephyr]

Stego: DUHHHH imma poke you with my tail

[paper oriole]

oh yeah, herbivores can uh... kick and swing their tail sometimes... and have basically what's bite but with different animation

[limber hull]

Carnivores look for food and hunt. Herbivores get given food for entering plains, and all the food is the exact same for every herbivore (which should be addressed with diets)

[barren zephyr]

Tento is the only redeemable herbi rn

The rest are bad to okay

[paper oriole]

carnis get grapple, grab, venom, plus some will use their arms and in the future the quad duo (or trio if presto is CD) may use their tails as well

[noble pine]

Most carnivores just bite but some have different effects (venom/bb), or they do some sort of pounce or grapple, the most unique thing any of the carnivores can do is slash things with their claws since we’ve never had a Carni do that.

[paper oriole]

carnis will get multiple forms of grapple, considering pounce, arm and probably jaw grapple

[limber hull]

Give stegos the power to fucking trample small shit idk. Anything that gives it more flair.

[hollow minnow]

Can agree the Tento is more fun than the rest of the herbi roster.

[worn pumice]

i just had a utah facetank me as teno

sad

[barren zephyr]

And what’s the uniqueness of stego?

[paper oriole]

trample wont give flair

[noble pine]

Herbivores are getting the same variety-

[limber hull]

Where

[paper oriole]

since any big dino will likely trample

[worn pumice]

stego can kebab u thats kinda cool ngl

[barren zephyr]

Ehhhhh the animation for a kill is on smaller things, but it’s still just one attack it spams for years

[paper oriole]

stego kebab is just the backside version of when a carni kills something and its in their mouth held

[barren zephyr]

And plus it’s literally the worst culprit of bush growing in evrima rn. Pretty high up there with deino

[hollow minnow]

This is true.

[paper oriole]

and where is the dev confirmation of herbis getting the kinds of cool combat shit they have repeatedly confirmed and hyped about for carnis

[barren zephyr]

Stego is bush simulator for 5 hours

[paper oriole]

yeah herbi juvs are boring and slow, at least carnis are speed demons as juvies and can escape easier

aside from deino who is doodoo

but deino's only real enemy is other deinos too

[barren zephyr]

Deino cannibalism needs to be stopped

[noble pine]

I didnt say biting is bad, but you’re making it sound like herbivores will have no variety and will just do the same 2 attacks, literally no. Stego has a basic bleed tail attack, anky has a more damage based tail attack, theri and bipea have claws, pachy rams with bb, trike, dibble, ava and pachyrhino charge (some impale) and that’s only a few herbivores, there are like 30 some herbivores with pretty differing abilities, and the ones that are similar have different effects, similar to carnivores.

[paper oriole]

attacks are also barely even the tip of the iceberg

[barren zephyr]

Agreed

[paper oriole]

if you want to fly, you gotta go carni. if you want to swim and not be bottom of the food chain, you gotta go carni, if you don't want to have to stop and sniff for 5 seconds of scent to find your way around, you gotta go carni

if you want to maybe get a cool strain, you go carni

[barren zephyr]

global chat is never coming back @tawdry holly

[paper oriole]

if you want to be nocturnal, you go carni (until a nocturnal herbi is confirmed, radio silence from devs)

[barren zephyr]

nah

[paper oriole]

deino cannibalism will be less of a problem naturally later on

[barren zephyr]

crocs cannibalize irl

[paper oriole]

it can be ignored

[barren zephyr]

deino cannibalism is literally the only hard part about growing it

Ehhh it’ll be the same as old carno cannibalism

[paper oriole]

when the hype dies more as more stuff comes out there will be less crowding on deino

[barren zephyr]

Eventually it’ll die down

[barren zephyr]

wdym?

[paper oriole]

also more map coming with more water, more spaces to pick from and deinos will be spread out

[barren zephyr]

It’ll still happen now and then- but for the most part it’ll go away

deino should be one of the playables encouraged to cannibalize

[barren zephyr]

That’s for cera

[paper oriole]

not exclusively

i wouldnt say deinos should be encouraged to cannibalize but they shouldnt be punished for it

[barren zephyr]

and?

cera likely wont be the only guy to have it

all apexes/pseudo apexes should cannibalize, minus sucho

[noble pine]

There weren’t really any herbivorous pterosaurs, shant? Sniffing isn’t that tasking that you HAVE to play a different faction, you’re just fishing for something to complain about. There’s only 5 confirmed dinos atm that are Strains, there could be more in the future. Herbivores never really adapted to be nocturnal because they didn’t need to, forage during the day, sleep during the night, small carnivores did it so they could have an advantage over the previously mentioned herbivores.

[barren zephyr]

herbivore gameplay cant be unique I guess

[noble pine]

People like carnivores because they have the thrill of the hunt

Herbivores have the thrill of being hunted

[barren zephyr]

and besides they have most of the cool gameplay features

theres no reason not to let a few herbies be nocturnal

its a game after all

[noble pine]

At the end of the day, herbis eat plants all day, and carnis eat meat all day

[paper oriole]

where does shant come in randomly placed there? many people have brought up tupandactylus or europejara as a frugivore. the sniffing thing is annoying and stacked on top of other downsides of the faction it really adds up. all the confirmed strain dinos are carnivores and the devs have stated multiple times they have no equal planned for herbis. carnis don' NEED to have nocturnals either, but it is fun and a less explored niche which is the SAME reason herbis should have it.

oh yeah and the only confirmed arboreal is a carni

[noble pine]

You either get to kill people, or you defend against them

[paper oriole]

forgot to mention that one

[barren zephyr]

something like ava being nocturnal makes sense

[paper oriole]

things like ava, dryo and taco could easily be nocturnal

[barren zephyr]

agreed

[paper oriole]

"the thrill of being hunted" is also a dumb ass 'plus side' because

1. carnis are also hunting eachother all the time
2. unlike most of those carnis, a hefty chunk of the herbis do not get to disengage on their own terms

[noble pine]

Hypsi is arboreal? Lmao
Shant is a hinted shant-niche
I never sniff as herbis and I’m fine I just sniff when I’m hungry and find my food
Why does the faction of the strains matter? A defensive strain kinda defeats the purpose of making the strains in the first place (killing people with stealth, brute force or just plain weird shit, something a lot of herbivores can’t do

[paper oriole]

so hey i can get the thrill of being hunted on a carni too but i get to run away easier

LMAO how is hypsi arboreal?

he can jump kinda high and land on a branch if he's lucky, he can not climb

[noble pine]

It is a tree dwelling dinosaur

[paper oriole]

utah also climbs up the same kind of tree hypsi climbs in his concept, so screw hypsi's highjump i guess

[noble pine]

Utah can’t climb

[paper oriole]

"tree dwelling dinosaur" how???

[barren zephyr]

Personally I hope hypsi will get climbing in the future and the current mechanics are place holders

[barren zephyr]

what?????

[noble pine]

It was a joke

Calm down gd

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

it has no utility to be a tree dweller aside from its shite jump that messes up on the tree's hitbox 50% of the time and destroys your stam

[limber hull]

No, it really isn’t. Good news tho, there will be a CARNIVORE tree-dweller, so at least that niche will be filled by the more fun dinosaur group

[paper oriole]

it can only jump to relatively low branches that utah can reach anyway

[barren zephyr]

thats another thing, why are herbivore moves so taxing?

[paper oriole]

god knows lol

[noble pine]

Yeah no shit lmao

[barren zephyr]

hypsis jump is basically a worse utah jump

[barren zephyr]

why cant herbies be fun

[limber hull]

Please actually let hypsi climb too, makes him immediately more appealing rather than saving the unique mechanics for the carnivores

[barren zephyr]

theres no reason for hypsi not to get a version of herreas climb

[paper oriole]

so if ya wanna climb trees, fly or go for a swim without immediately getting KOSed by a deino on your turtle cosplay midget anky you gotta be carni

[barren zephyr]

I play hypsi to just put food back in the land ecosystem

its that boring

[limber hull]

Lmao

[paper oriole]

if you want to swing your tail and then get shitstomped by one of the carno or utah megapacks that are both faster than you, you go herbi

[barren zephyr]

literally just spend sessions risking my life in stupid ways, hypsi growth and buff when man

[noble pine]

Or bipea or possible chierus or plateo or minmi or shant

Deino isn’t god

[paper oriole]

hypsi isnt even ba dit just isn't good, it's just unseasoned tofu of a dinosaur

cheirus is an omnivore LOL

[noble pine]

Yeah and?

[barren zephyr]

6 months and still no growth

[paper oriole]

plateo has no confirmed niche, beipi is an omnivore

[noble pine]

It eats mostly herbivore based diet

That doesn’t negate the fact that it isn’t a carnivore

[paper oriole]

plateo may just get shafted as a boring terrestrial mid tier

[barren zephyr]

isnt this about herbies

[noble pine]

Plateo is speculated semi-aquatic

[barren zephyr]

why is a omnivore relevant

[paper oriole]

speculated

meaningless

[noble pine]

“You gotta play carni” no, they mentioned you had to be a carni to enjoy the water

You don’t

[paper oriole]

the one herbi who can swim is at the bottom of the food chain

[barren zephyr]

he clearly means that herbies should get alternatives to

[noble pine]

Almost like herbis dominate the game rn

They have plenty

[paper oriole]

herbis have no flyer and no arboreal, no equal to strains, no nocturnals, nothing like venom or the many forms of grapple

herbis dominate the game?

[barren zephyr]

brachi somewhat counts as a herbie strain to be fair

its most likely easier to get and can fight a strian

[paper oriole]

yeah i must be hallucinating when i fly around and see nothing but carnos and utahs with the occasional tenonto, a few stegos and zero hypsis and dryos

oh yeah and deinos literally piling on eachother in the river

[noble pine]

Why does a herbis need a fucking grapple when they impale, crush, bash and claw carnivores to death

You do know the attacks don’t have to be copy pasted to be equal right?

[paper oriole]

hyper rex is at the size he can easily reach brachi's noodle ass neck

[barren zephyr]

herbie population is 70% stegos 15% tenos 10% hypsi and 5% dyro roughly

[limber hull]

Things that potential herbivores COULD do that would make them not only unique but fun:

• Climb trees in order to reach high fruit and escape predators
• Have an ability to mask their scent without wallowing.
• Have an ability that makes them more “alert” with a unique system that allows them to better identify when predators are near

And so on. These could all be unique mechanics for a specific herbivore to instantly increase their enjoyability and diversify them from other herbis

[barren zephyr]

unique gameplay = good

I want to wrestle shit and eat plants

[noble pine]

False

[barren zephyr]

[limber hull]

What

[barren zephyr]

to be fair he was probably joking

[paper oriole]

impale, bash and claw ar ejust bite with different animations/direction, not really unique when you get down to it

[noble pine]

Unique gameplay does not always mean fun

[limber hull]

As someone who has worked in and studied game design that physically hurt me

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

impale does the same as when a carno oneshots something tiny and is holding it

[noble pine]

Um no, that’s a lame cope to justify your argument

[paper oriole]

care to explain how?

[barren zephyr]

Why would you add a uniquely gameplay style and make it unfun?

[noble pine]

Venom and bleed are the same by that logic

[barren zephyr]

Like why assume something will be done poorly

[paper oriole]

how do YOU justify when you literally just admitted you don't think unique gameplay is necessary

yes, sometimes something can be unique and trash... like hypsis spit

or dryo's dodge

[noble pine]

You said “unique gameplay = fun” I said “false” meaning not all unique gameplay is going to be fun, That isnt directly implying they’d do that, I was just saying being unique isn’t always good

Y’all are putting words in my mouth lmao

[paper oriole]

yeah when herbis get some cool gimmick it's kinda lame and badly done, or at least those two solidify that

we have one herbi who is cool and unique and that's tenonto, who might lose his spice when larger fast predators come out

[hollow minnow]

Herbies could use some unique gameplay thats done well, in any case..

[noble pine]

Unique things to do, yes, but attacks overall they are fine.

Atm everything needs more unique gameplay

You just run around looking for people to kill

[limber hull]

Alright, but in this game specifically designed around surviving in an environment with only your unique tools to assist you in surviving, maybe unique gameplay would be nice.

[paper oriole]

plus simple small quality of life changes like being able to sniff while moving, but still having to stand still to smell footprints, being able to grab clumps and branches to bring to your herd, and whatnot

[barren zephyr]

yeah but that isnt really relevant

you should always assume something will be done well

[noble pine]

It was to what you said

Lmao no, I never do, every time I do it ends up disappointing as hell

[barren zephyr]

yeah but its semitics at that point

[noble pine]

I have never said or been against unique gameplay

Wtf are y’all on about

[paper oriole]

thing is, hypsi and dryo could be fun with their abilities in theory but they ar ejust so shittily done like the devs wanted to get it over with and move on to the next dino they found mor einteresting

[noble pine]

Dryo isn’t fun because it’s dryo

It is in the game as a fodder animal

[paper oriole]

they literally just bandaid buffed its speed rather than make its dodge good it's sad

[noble pine]

Its the velo of the herbis

[paper oriole]

thing is though, velo could be fun too

so hopefully the devs don't have your vision for it and just let it be boring

because it too has potential, just like hypsi and dryo

[barren zephyr]

how

dyro is designed to be able to escape its threats

[noble pine]

Did you just ask how dryo is just fodder?

[barren zephyr]

it has the speed and agility to do it

[noble pine]

Have you played it?

It’s still shit

[barren zephyr]

its faster then utah

[noble pine]

And?

[barren zephyr]

it can out juke carno

[noble pine]

It’s still a fodder animal

[paper oriole]

dryo is fodder but fodder can be fun if its not lazily thrown in like dryo was

[noble pine]

^

[barren zephyr]

dyro is fodder if you dont play it well

[noble pine]

It is literally a fodder animal but not slow like taco or oro

[barren zephyr]

do you mean fodder as in unviable?

[paper oriole]

it cant fight, its objective is to juke and troll until it dies, fodder with a flair. but its dodge is lame and it has literally nothing else except its bandaid speed

[noble pine]

Do you even know what fodder means?

[hollow minnow]

I'd really like to see the hypsie and the dryo get some real love, but pipe dreams..

[barren zephyr]

it means fodder

[paper oriole]

yeah i aint keeping my hopes up for dryo and hypsi to get some tlc but it would be nice

[noble pine]

Dios mio.

Dryos gonna be worked on in the future iirc

Hypsi spits getting a rework

[paper oriole]

where did they say they are working on dryo? also hypsis jump is trash too

if they are ACTUALLY putting some effort into making dryo interesting and not ruining it further it is a good thing if they actually said it

[barren zephyr]

hypsi jump cost the 2nd most stamina to use out of any of the special attacks

but literally functions as a worse utah jump

isle balance

[noble pine]

Dryos ability is a place holder iirc

[paper oriole]

that's a yikes

[noble pine]

But the last time I heard anything about that was months ago

I’d have to reconfirm that

[silver zephyr]

I've never heard that, and tbh I hope not. a simple but (potentially) useful ability

[paper oriole]

they hate dryo so much they release him with a placeholder for his ability and put him in the back row for repairs

[noble pine]

The ability will never be useful

[paper oriole]

if that's true at least

[hollow minnow]

I'll adjust my judgement as things are implemented ingame.

[noble pine]

It’s a shitty dodge

[paper oriole]

i hadnt seen any dev comment on it either

[silver zephyr]

I know

[paper oriole]

the dodge is so bad like when i heard it was getting a dodge way back i was lowkey excited

then it was the lamest ability ever

[silver zephyr]

same, halting momentum

[barren zephyr]

it would be fine if it was omni directional and didnt halt your momentum

[paper oriole]

it could be omnidirectional and not halt you in your tracks, actually be aimable, maybe be able to kick off things

[barren zephyr]

like why the hell does it do that anyways?

[hollow minnow]

No control of direction hurts my cold, dead heart..

[paper oriole]

but it's just scoot in some random lef tor right side, hope it works out, waste your stam and stop on your tracks anyway, mildly annoy your predator before you die shortly after

i guess at least it got the lame ass bandaid patch to make it faster since its dodge is useless garbage

now it can kfs juvie utahs with their parents nearby even though nobody plays it

[barren zephyr]

I'd prefer them giving dryo no ability at all until they give it a proper one

Damn thats disappointing

[left nacelle]

@weary surge That's intentional I'm pretty sure. Some animals' calls carry very far, and this is realistic too. A lions roar can be heard from up to 5 miles (or around 8 kilometers) away irl. I do think it's a little odd tho that the calls sound the same even as you get closer, until you're practically right next to them

@barren zephyr It's something they're working on. There's a lot of issues with it

[barren zephyr]

Oh well any idea when it will most likely release?

[feral solstice]

It used to be a thing

But it started creating problems with the system

Like being able to grow to enormous sizes

Like being able to grow to enormous sizes

[tired torrent]

Its always something in this game, how do i get stuck in trees like how ? what am i stuck on. fix the game my god. got stuck in a tree and killed

[paper oriole]

[random sail]

wanting playables instead of wanting mechanics is like a lil kid wanting a boring hour long recess instead of a 30 minute exciting fun recess

[urban flax]

@snow meadow Deinosuchus can't be smelled underwater since last patch

[snow meadow]

@last pagoda sorry but totally disagree. There's no point adding tons of new playables when the map sucks and the game is so featureless.

I'm personally the most excited for better map layout, hopefully not just one big boring river.

Gore update

And customization update.

And I'm excited for pachy not to suck like in legacy

[snow meadow]

Coulda sworn I just saw deinos being smelled underwater

[urban flax]

Some of them were probably surfacing

I don't know how it works but it's written in the patch notes that deinos can no longer be smelled underwater

[last pagoda]

Playing the same dino over and over again is very boring imo. Its fun for a while when u first start playing but i've played evrima for 2weeks now and it gets reptitive fast. Even if they add gore, customization and map updates, the gameplay of dino is still more or less same. There are currently 2 carnivores that play on land, its just not enough. Deino is cool, but it takes 5hrs and u probably die to cannibals mid way. From Herbis, only good one is Tenonto, Hypsi is boring and unfinished and stego also takes 5 fcking hours, not gonna even talk about dryo...

[urban flax]

Still, mechanics are more important because they're necessary for the implementation of more fun gameplays

Even if there were 30 playables, that'd still be the same thing because there is nothing to do.

[last pagoda]

Gore and customization and night vision dont give you more stuff to do in game, its just changes that change the gameplay slightly, nesting is cool if you actually have friends that play the game and u invite them to the server and spawn at the nest. More playables do give you more to do, you can play different dinos with different playstyles wdym?? They need atleast 2 more carnis and 2 more herbis before reworking the current sytems.

wel its just my opinion anyway, just giving my feedback

[dense vale]

either way all we can do is sit here and wait, the joys of early access games

[limber hull]

im not too hyped for the skin update honestly

i'd prefer real mechanics over a bunch of random dino colours, and I think that there will likely be a good few that just completely destroy the aesthetic design of that dino. I'd much prefer venom, gore and perks added before skins

my one issue with the roadmap change is that it shifted these things after skins, rather than before skins

but if other people are excited, good for them, they'll have a good time with the update

and im still going to be happy with nesting's addition

[urban flax]

What makes you think it'll be a bunch of random colors ?

[limber hull]

eh, seems that way, especially since the community doesn't like the idea of "limiting colours" for skins

[urban flax]

But the comunity likes the idea of limiting colors for skins

Nobody wants neon dinos here

[paper oriole]

Depends on what “limiting” means really

Neons are obviously a hard no

But earthy reds, oranges and yellows, natural purple, blue, pink accents that arent super saturated

Im colourblind and can only see certain shades of red and pink and im still looking forward to the skin system

[flat crypt]

people constantly suggest deino egg burying but I don't think I've ever been keen on it

That's basically giving it's eggs an extra layer of protection. Why should one animal have more protection for their eggs than others, in particular an apex?

If anything was to get that mechanic, it should be something that would have a hard time defending it's eggs from an ovi/galli on it's own. Something like troodon

Deino is hardly lacking in "chomp on ovi/galli" abilities

[full canopy]

With skins it should definitely depend on the species

Like I don’t think Deino should be able to be especially flamboyant.

I can only suspend my disbelief for so long

[limber hull]

crocs irl don't bury their eggs tho

in fact, they have serious issues with nesting because they struggle to protect the eggs

they have to lay the eggs out of water and constantly watch over them, which leads to them often overheating from the sun

[nimble thistle]

Do you mean these orange clouds

[crude bough]

Hello. How long is day/night cycle ? I would like to know if will you further enhance the game in terms animations quality and diversity ?

[flat crypt]

irl crocs somewhat bury their eggs. they basically have a thin layer of dirt over top that the parent monitors to make sure the eggs dont overheat

but they certainly don't bury them as much as turtles or some birds do

[golden beacon]

Give deino wings

[grizzled cobalt]

it would be cool if the developers put all concepts in trello according to their updates, what do you think?

[compact hare]

They could at least add the dinos' concepts in their respective dino

Beipi has a concept but its not in its card would be easier to find

[grizzled cobalt]

Yes

[full canopy]

does anyone know if the water in the cave is still bugged?

don't wanna risk my deino

[compact hare]

Im not sure...

dont go there

[elder rivet]

I had to actually plan a spot to afk grow before spawning in as giga in order to actually grow one

[glad dirge]

It's not bugged anymore

Or at least it wasnt last time I was there

[sonic mural]

Do different dinos get different health regen times?

[inner hound]

@tidal rose i must say that is incredibly creative for hypsi. and i havent seen anyone
do something like that for sure. I feel thatd make hypsi really fun. good suggestion really

[tidal rose]

@inner hound Thank you! I was really worried people wouldn't like it, put a lot of time in the drawing haha. I hope the devs see it for sure, I think its my best idea so far

[inner hound]

I honestly pray to god they see it. This for hypsi? i need it lmao

[tidal rose]

Punch did say they look in to the suggestion thing every once in a while. My hope is if it gets universally liked, maybe either a dev will notice it or some one will point it out to them

i would love to play little conctruction hypsi

[leaden cargo]

@tidal rose I love that idea too, i hope they see it and is something posible to implement 8)

[inner hound]

Mayhaps you could also make a reddit post about it? Hypno tends to lurk in there sometimes.

[tidal rose]

I do make little drawings of most of my suggestions so they are simple to copy paste anywhere. even if I don't get credited I would just love to see that as part of the game

really now?

Ill do it in about half a hour

[leaden cargo]

Yeah, the drawing is really good

[inner hound]

honestly either itll be seen here or on reddit.
wherever. i pray its getting seen 🙏 and im gonna advocate for it. bc honestly
first time i fell in absolute love with a suggestion like that

[tidal rose]

Thank you <3

It would fit the dinosaur perfectly too, because from what I understand besides chompy, hypsi will be the smallest

giving the ability to craft on a bigger dinosaur would be really weird

Imagine being a raptor and coming across a big hive of hypsies just building around trees

[leaden cargo]

It is something that fits hypsi perfectly i think, and i would love to see a big hive

[keen vapor]

@sonic mural nests should be different sepending on the dino that built it

[sonic mural]

Yea that too but I’d also want it to depend on where its built wouldn’t look right if a nest made of dirt was built on a beaches sand

[lilac plume]

It would allow pteras to nest on cliffs unlike in Legacy when you couldn’t nest on rocks

[sonic mural]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

Does anyone know if the minmi is still gonna be a thing

[sonic mural]

Yea I’m pretty sure it will be

[urban flax]

there's no reason it wouldn't

[lilac plume]

Might take a long while tho

[barren zephyr]

Ya ive been hearing that server owners are getting screwed over rn and they aint happy

If the server owners leave people will follow cuz nowhere to play and then the isle will go broke

[inner hound]

@tidal rose what really could also be nice to aknowledge, is having the trees where these nests get build on
being a whole asset/entity. since i assume it can get coding wise quite messy if its multiple tree assets needing to hold said nest.
if that made any sense how i phrased it but yeah a friend and i go over the concept rn and thought abt the coding aspect a little bit.

So basically a 'cluster' of trees ( that is also one asset ) being the ideal spot for said nests

[fading fjord]

Nice thing you got there, keep up the good work, dont worry about likes, some of the community doesnt always like what devs do

[tidal rose]

Hmm, maybe, but that would give away the nests. I am unsure if the nest idea would be any different than tribal building the way they have it suggested, or herrera climbing since it also requires detection of trees. Maybe the easiest way would be the pieces are considered anchored if they overlap a map hitbox

@fading fjord true

[inner hound]

I forgot tribal nesting was a thing loool.

and thought maybe nests should be still visible to some animals. while some animals may just look up and cant do anything about it, other animals such as herra would have an easier time. but yeah.
it was just a thought uvu

[fading fjord]

[tidal rose]

oh no worries, i think your suggestion makes sense though it would be up to the devs how they implement it if they like it

[inner hound]

hype
but actual hype if it gets aknowledged 👀

[fading fjord]

It will no worries..

[inner hound]

id play hypsi 24/7
rn hypsi is jsut meh...even tho i love the lil guy. its not as fun to play atm

[fading fjord]

Noo! Hypsi is super cool 2 play atm

[inner hound]

u just run around and spit n troll

[fading fjord]

Spitting on ppl?

Its perfect!!

[inner hound]

i mean its a fun lil idea. but no growth aswell, doesnt make the animal feel much rewarding

[fading fjord]

Lets 2v1 a croc someday, as hypsis

[tidal rose]

lol

been there done that

[fading fjord]

Challenge yourself

[tidal rose]

hypsies sadly lost

[fading fjord]

Oh im here for the fun!!

[inner hound]

when the stego cant reach you

[fading fjord]

You can do it, i believe in you

Poor steg, graze, spit, graze, spit......

[crude girder]

The hypsi idea is awesome

[tidal rose]

<3

pretty hard replying and playing a dryo

everyone is out to get me haha

[fading fjord]

Dryo is the Legend

[tidal rose]

yee

[fading fjord]

Hard is fun its EVRIMA

[inner hound]

dryo my beloved.

im gonna try to alter draw smth based on the 'swallow' nest idea. im too hooked on it jhbfgfg

[tidal rose]

go for it! i can't wait to see what you come up with

[fading fjord]

Got a spawn dryo kill on an adult utah video (EVRIMA) dryo rules bud

Gogogo mey!!

Resu, besides awesome, like nova said, your idea is also an inspiration for mey

[tidal rose]

Oh I genuinely cannot wait to see what mey comes up with!

@inner hound make sure to show us what you made whenever its dine

[fading fjord]

I was about 2 say, dont disturb

Resu

W I P

[tidal rose]

I won't disturb haha

my bad

[fading fjord]

Asking for Deino buff?? You on croc or on crack?

[worn pumice]

" I just don’t see how a Stego can kill such a massive croc. Kinda defeats the purpose of being a deino."

idk man

big spikey tail hurts

each one is 2-3 ft long

prolly wouldnt feel good

[tidal rose]

yes well, i think two deinos should be able to take on a steg though. I have seen a single steg take out two deinos and if two deinos attack that is 16 tons vs 6 tons

[fading fjord]

I will 1v1 ur spikey as a croc everyday

[worn pumice]

actually theres a way to kill a stego 1v1 rn cuz of a bug

[fading fjord]

1v1 croc can win

[tidal rose]

it can?

ive never seen it

[worn pumice]

becuz of weird physics and stuns

it can do it

[tidal rose]

if it can then i take back my statement

[worn pumice]

u'll have a sliver of hp tho

[fading fjord]

It might be on YT alr

[worn pumice]

basically u can lunge the stego but atm the lunge only stuns the stego not the deino

so the deino can get 1-2 headbites in

after that its a gg

[tidal rose]

interesting

[fading fjord]

The Isle is

[worn pumice]

deino should be getting stunned too

so im pretty sure its an unintended side effect

prolly be patched later

[fading fjord]

Prolly

WIP

[worn pumice]

eArLy AcCeSs

[fading fjord]

Record&Report

[fading fjord]

Thats what she said...

[worn pumice]

idk if that works here

[noble pine]

Why the hell would they make stego 4 tons

[fading fjord]

Bad joke?

I love 2 make a fool of myself.

[noble pine]

Man really said 7-8 ton rex

Rex is 9 tons

Deino is 8, stego is 6

We’re using accurate weights

And they aren’t going to change that for carnivore bias

[tidal rose]

last i googled rex was 7, but google aint the best source when it comes to dinosaurs

[noble pine]

Rex is 9, spinos 9 and giga is 9

[worn pumice]

\

[tidal rose]

is that really accurate or did they just make them all 9 tons for balance?

[noble pine]

There’s some estimates that rex could’ve been 10-11

[noble pine]

No that’s fr

They’re all 9 tons

[tidal rose]

hmm

sus

[noble pine]

It’s really weird

[tidal rose]

but okay

[noble pine]

We don’t know any of the apex stats

[worn pumice]

rex is pretty fat

[tidal rose]

i have doubts but i dont have a reason not to believe

[noble pine]

I’m going off of real life estimates

Rex bite is 6 tons, spino is 2 tons, giga is 3 tons

But we can’t give them accurate damage

They’d one shot anything small than sucho

[upper shale]

In reality a stego wouldn’t be able to kill a giant croc like that-

[worn pumice]

i mean it probably could

[tidal rose]

yes but balance of the game needs it to be stronger than a carnivore of similar size. because the carnivore in most cases has the choice to engage or not. Unless stuck in some small pool, at that point though it's on the croc

[worn pumice]

one hit to the head and the croc would die

and vice versa if the croc grabbed the stegos head

but balance so

[tidal rose]

tbh croc skulls are incredibly dense. Bone wouldn't penetrate bone that easily since it's the same material. The stego might just break it's spikes in a real scenario, who knows

https://boneclones.com/images/store-product/product-1522-main-main-big-1416618898.jpg

that is a lot of thick bone right there and it's a regular croc

a stego would have to bullseye it in to the eye

[worn pumice]

stegos thagomizer is also complete bone tho

each one is around 2-3 ft along on average

[tidal rose]

and? Bone on bone wouldn't give much penetration to the stego spike

It's possible to shoot a croc and kill it, but that's a high powered small projectile with a small surface area and it's a harder material

[worn pumice]

bone on bone will def deal fractures and since the brain is right there

it will probably kill the croc

[odd sedge]

A spike has a small surface area at the tip tho

[worn pumice]

but ofc balance, wouldnt be too fun to see both of em one shotting each other

[odd sedge]

Also, realism is terrible for game balancing. I agree at some parts, but you don't see the devs letting trikes one shotting Rexes because they hit the throat

[worn pumice]

i still hope trikes delete rexes that face tank them

[tidal rose]

yes but when taking the same material that is very thin and bashing it against the same material that is thick, the thin material will snap or break most likeley.

[odd sedge]

Trikes should have head shots balanced differently because of the neck shield and horns

[worn pumice]

this is already planned im pretty sure not just for trike but all ceratopsians

in the patch notes they said that they made neck hitboxes for future proofing of ceratopsians

its basically confirmed

[odd sedge]

Nice

[worn pumice]

pachy should low key have the same thing

[odd sedge]

True

[worn pumice]

not as much as a ceratopsian

but it should still deal negative locational dmg on its head

[odd sedge]

Also Anky should have something similar, since the neck and head is protected

[worn pumice]

rex would probably be the best candidate to kill an anky

because of its bite

[odd sedge]

Well anky size was nerfed

[worn pumice]

giga isnt too good same with acro since their bleeders

[worn pumice]

true anky size was nerfed but

they got a massive weight buff

their 7.4 tons now

[versed zodiac]

wait i thought giga was larger or at least even with rex. that looks like its slightly smaller

[worn pumice]

giga is

longer

length wise

but rex is overall more larger

also the silhouettes r just there for a simple look at the dino

[noble pine]

We can’t really say, we have no animals alive today that use their tails as weapons in a setting that has crocodilians. Plus, stegos hide is basically armor, it’s specifically evoked as such much like deinos. But for balance sake, atm stego should be better than deino. Once deino gets its tug of war mechanic it’ll be able to grab stego, but until then carnis will just have to suffer with a herbi being better than them

[noble pine]

Stego could swing it’s tail so hard it could shatter/penetrate thick bone.

[tidal rose]

i dont see it a big deal having a stego at the top

[noble pine]

I don’t either

But carni bias says it’s wrong

[tidal rose]

it could shatter or penetrate thick bone? its tail is thin bone, if it shatters thick bone then its tail shatters too

[noble pine]

No, by that logic, ankys tail is useless and we know that’s not true

[tidal rose]

No? because anky has a tail that is a big club, a bludgeon.

Stego tail would hit a hard spot and snap the pointy end because it is trying to enter the same material

Okay here how about this

[noble pine]

Since the thagomizer is a spike it has an easier time breaking through bone, there’s an allo femur with a giant hole in it from a stego

[tidal rose]

take a steel sword and try to stab it in to a steel block

[noble pine]

Steel and bone aren’t comparable

[tidal rose]

take a pointy bone and stab it in to a big chunk of bone

the same would happen

[noble pine]

No

[tidal rose]

Yes it would

[noble pine]

It wouldn’t because there’s literal fossils evidence of thagomizers going through bones

[tidal rose]

source then

because I don't see it. I don't see how a thin bone can penetrate a thick bone

if it's the same material, at all

I could understand that the thagomizer slides in between the ribs and does internal damage or does massive muscle damage and can penetrate arteries and veins

but thick bone?

[carmine path]

Speed, Velocity, Acceleration. A rock sized meteor can destroy house if it is fast enough

[noble pine]

[tidal rose]

@carmine path But a rock sized meteor will not destroy a house size meteor, it will shatter even if it breaks the bigger one

[carmine path]

I also believe there was a documentary about an Allosaurus thats bone was completely broken due to a stego thagomizer, i might be getting to dinos mixed up not the stego tho

[tidal rose]

i know you are providing proof, but that chart is a mess

i have no idea what im looking at in the first picture

[noble pine]

Bones have different densities, some are thin and some are thick, thagomizers were completely bone and evolved to take the pressure and impact damage, unlike dinosaurs bones that aren’t evolved to that take those hits

[tidal rose]

actually ill give you that

i forgot dino bones were mostly hollow

[noble pine]

Croc skulls are thick but thin

[tidal rose]

But deino isn't a dinosaur. Croc skulls are extremely tough

[carmine path]

Heh

[noble pine]

They’re designed to protect but the actual protective layer isn’t that thick around the top of the head

[carmine path]

So you mean where we Floridians shoot them in the head