general-feedback-discussion

[trim dock]

to a reasonable level

in the future

[minor monolith]

because we will have things like sucho and spino

which will come later

[worn pumice]

Yup

[minor monolith]

those need to survive too

[worn pumice]

Actually I made a good post about spino

For the future

[trim dock]

i wonder how sucho would survive with deino in rivers

like would they live near more shallow rivers?

[minor monolith]

escaping the water lol

shallow areas yes

close to shore

[worn pumice]

Sucho would be more land based then deino

It’s more of wader

[trim dock]

slimey slimey sucho

[minor monolith]

deino runs out of breath on land very fast

[trim dock]

true

[minor monolith]

so if you saw a deino coming you would run on to shore and deeper into land

and the deino would probably give up in search for an easier meal

[trim dock]

just like irl

i think

just waiting for some different kinds of water sources

[worn pumice]

Also why is the water bar for certain dinos so short

For example stego has tons of food and can get it back easily but it constantly loses water

Way too fast

[trim dock]

idk

wouldnt that prevent stego from traveling far from water?

[minor monolith]

I think they were drawing people to water yeah

[worn pumice]

Ye I get that but stego isn’t prey to deino and it can’t lunge it

[minor monolith]

honestly it doesnt help too much

because I barely see terrestrials anyways

[worn pumice]

Everyone is the fat gator

Lol

[minor monolith]

they go take their sips and run

[trim dock]

do deinos get fat rolls?

[worn pumice]

Probably

[minor monolith]

its a sign of status

[trim dock]

sign of dominance

[minor monolith]

the fatter (and flatter) you are, the better

[worn pumice]

If only humans were like that

Lol

[trim dock]

alpha male

[minor monolith]

but yeah I think whatever they do next with the map, the waterways need to be overhauled bad

[trim dock]

yeahhh

im willing to wait for that though

[minor monolith]

so far they have demonstrated some good stuff with the swamp

but the rivers are all pretty poor

and there needs to be more than one complex waterway

[trim dock]

i just want me some more vegetation

[minor monolith]

(as in, another swamp, a delta, a chain of oxbows)

well first you need options for travel

after that, options for hiding

but both are needed

[trim dock]

true

[minor monolith]

and the current, overly plain rivers lack both badly

you have only two directions to go and nowhere to hide except on shore

this makes it overly difficult for baby deinos and makes the gameplay very flat

this is why its so boring to play atm

the stealth mechanics/map is not there for super interesting gameplay options yet

but we do have good technologies for that, as they have demonstrated

so its all about refining at this point

[trim dock]

yeah growing a deino is slow and it gets annoying when an adult kills you

[minor monolith]

the slow growth itself is not the problem as much as the lack of ability to surive

it adds insult to injury, but isnt the primary source of the problem

you spend all that boring time to become an adult just so you could do interesting things and all of that is either luck or because you picked the boring option and ran off to a corner to eat fish and afk

[trim dock]

yeahhh

[minor monolith]

the most interesting gameplay is in the swamp, but stealth isnt entirely fleshed out and many of the logs are the same size so dont offer good cover for gators as they grow

and you still have to get in there

and you spawn in the river

a good hotfix rn would have baby deinos spawn around the swamp in the SE

allowing them to enter from all angles pretty much

makes it hard to just camp the entrance and eat babies

[odd sedge]

Now that's a proper chonker

[minor monolith]

so if that could be done that would be a huge assistance without changing much about the maps layout or gameplay mechanics

after that, actually tweaking water stealth and making a detailed river system would be priority imo

[frank matrix]

Do you what the isle is about

[tawny juniper]

Survival horrow

horror*

[ashen elm]

How does someone join this server and not know what it's about? 🤔

[swift dew]

@lapis tree btw, ouranosaurus is an iguantodont not a hadrosaur, and plateosaurus is soft confirmed if you didn't know. anyway interesting suggestion

[frank matrix]

the dino having the ability of taking a sht in the isle that can pollute the river's and kill the fish over time with taken a sht in the in the same spot many times

[hoary dawn]

when diets come there'll probably be significantly less location camping unless that location has an animal's preferred food

[sly rose]

timer means pog blue, apparently

[white rune]

I would at least credit Dark's suggestion but okay

@oblique wagon this is not the good channel

go in #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[zealous violet]

@iron furnace I know its a game and doesnt always translate into real life and its of course super fun to play alpha and pack stuff...
But you do know that the whole 'alpha' thing doesnt even exist, right? 'Alphas' Were discovered to just be the parents of a group. The whole alpha thing was debunked years and years ago.
Not to mention displaying 'dominance' isnt actually a thing either but still has a bit more grounding than the whole alpha thing. Its just parent's older siblings telling the youngsters what for.
I study canine behaviorism and phycology so I feel an obligation to mention the alpha thing when I see it-
BUTTT with all that being said, its a video game, it can be literally anything we want and I think it would be super fun to have "alpha" roles and get to be bigger and a little stronger than the rest of your packmates and give people something to work towards.
Imagine how fun it would be to be a baby and be like 'imma be hokage when I grow up' LOL Wrong show.

There would be so many cool dynamics you could put into play like that- you could have just whoever fights gets to be alpha, or maybe it'll develop into a 'offpsring of alpha pair get to inherit the thrown' sorta thing- theres a lot that you can do with it.

Although thinking about it, the 'elder' role would kind of fit this category, wouldnt it?

[vestal rune]

uh, just because canines don't have alphas doesn't mean other animals don't

fairly sure shit like gorillas have alpha males

as with many harem-based animals

[zealous violet]

Thats why I said that it is a video game and can be anything it wants. Whatmore that it would be pretty fun to actually have something like that implemented.
But with Apes its troupe leader, as alpha still derives from canines. But honestly, either way works. Im not that much of a stickler.

Ohh imagine a harem based mechanic in the game! XD I wonder what they would be like.
Like, how will males even work in future nesting like they want? im curious.

[vestal rune]

does alpha have a very specific term I don't quite understand? fairly sure silverback males in control of a troupe are called alphas, as with stuff like lions

[golden beacon]

This 'alpha' RP again

[molten tulip]

I've never heard male lions/gorillas referred to as alphas

[golden beacon]

I remember this in legacy it was funny and didnt make sense

[molten tulip]

Just as 'dominant male'

Same with hippos

[vestal rune]

oh weird, maybe it's just a colloquial thing then

[molten tulip]

Yeah probably

[zealous violet]

They can be referred to as 'alpha' but the term originated from this guy studying wolves way, way back that eventually got debunked.
He was studying a group of captive wolves that didnt know each other so lots of fights broke out until a hierarchy was formed.
Then it was debunked by the same guy not too longer after when he went out into the field to study.

People use the term, alpha for many things as its so ingrained in human verbal culture, but each individual animal group tends to have their own word for 'the leader/protector of the group'

[vestal rune]

ye ik about the story about the defunt study, but that doesn't necessarily mean it can't apply to other animals

but I guess that makes sense, it's just semantics anyway

[molten tulip]

Yeah I don't see it working as a game mechanic though

[golden beacon]

Oh no sounds like RP lol

[vestal rune]

I mean idk, it could make living in a herd more interesting

[molten tulip]

Like whats stopping the pack members from just killing the guy with the alpha label

[vestal rune]

you do realise the devs want RP in this game right?

[molten tulip]

Also how would that be determined programmatically/what would it do

Too much work

[zealous violet]

Yeah, its pretty interesting to learn about, haha.
I think in the end, having elders in the game will serve as having alphas or group leaders anyways since they will be getting a raise in strength or perks once they reach elder anywho

[brave nova]

nothing wrong with a little rp

[vestal rune]

not like "my name is shitface, don't touch my tail!!" and more just act like an animal

[golden beacon]

Nah but it was weird calling someone alpha male in legacy lol

[molten tulip]

Lmao people would do that

[zealous violet]

Do they??? I always got the feeling that they were trying to stay away from that.

[vestal rune]

read what I said above, they don't want you ERPing with your dinosaur OC, they just want you to act like an animal

[golden beacon]

No they want a survival horror game and they want it to be semi realistic

[molten tulip]

Probably want it to be more of an actual ecosystem and not 360noscope meta-analysis pvp but with dinosaurs instead of guns

[zealous violet]

I get the feeling they are kind of control freaks tho- Like I know they want a certain way of playing the game, but then go out and provide people with their own servers. its kinda a double standard thing going on here

[vestal rune]

that's why in the future there'll be more regular animal things for you to do to make you seem more like an animal, and more mechanics in place to prevent weird behaviour like mixpacking

[vestal rune]

they're not providing people with their own servers, those people are hosting

also, every single game inherently controls how you play, that's literally what mechanics are

[zealous violet]

but they are allowing it still.

[vestal rune]

they have no reason to disallow it

[golden beacon]

Nah mixpacking will still be a thing

[zealous violet]

I guess we will just have to see how it all plays out in the end.

[vestal rune]

look at it this way, the devs are creating their intended experience and will remove anything detracting from that, unofficial servers can host a server in this game and add rules to change it a bit, but they can't actually change the game itself. Once modding support comes in, they'll be able to actually change the game

[vestal rune]

it won't be as much of a prevalent issue

[golden beacon]

I mean how do you fix mixpacking? As they arent in your group and semi aquatics have to share water

[vestal rune]

I'm sure there'll be ways, maybe some sort of debuff for prolonged exposure to another species

[zealous violet]

People will always find a way to play the game their way and theres nothing the devs can do to stop that save for making it an independently played game which doesnt seem to be happening anytime soon.
And once modding will be put in that takes that possibility even further away.

[vestal rune]

but it has to be done in a good way to not be abused

[vestal rune]

except like I said, the whole point of mechanics is to control how players act

[manic flint]

Maybe they're prefered food is different

And if they don't eat it they get sick

Or something

[golden beacon]

Ummm what?

They adding diet system if you didnt hear

[manic flint]

Yea ik

That could fix it is what I'm saying

lol

sorry if I wasn't clear enough

[zealous violet]

You can only control so much though, with the way they are making this game.
Also, discord is a thing and people will bypass the game to use discord's functions for anything currently lacking, like global chat.
Which to me is silly because- oh nvm, its just silly to me.

[vestal rune]

if unofficial servers wanna do that they can feel free, the problem with global chat is that it turned the game itself into a social sim

this clearly isn't meant to be a social sim, it's meant to be a survival game

[zealous violet]

Right, thats what im saying tho. They are acting like they are going to be able to control every aspect of how players play with the game, yet also provide private servers for people to do whatever- especially once mods are available.

[golden beacon]

It doesn't stop people from joining calls and asking for help and mixpacking and once they win the fight the other species moves away that would be a way around the prolonged fix

[vestal rune]

well yes modding and rules do change how people play the game, that's the point, I'm confused by your point

[zealous violet]

I think we are agreeing on the same topic, just saying it in different ways?

[golden beacon]

Most servers will have no mixpack rules anyways so shouldn't be a problem on those servers

[vestal rune]

like the devs have the intended gameplay experience on official, and unofficials are gonna be able to modify it

[fickle frigate]

If the devs don't want to spend money to make changes to their game, that's their call. At least they are allowing the option with mod support in the future.

In the meantime, there are community servers and Discord. Official servers in all survival games are always cancer anyway.

[golden beacon]

Who said they arent spending money?

[worn pumice]

everything they add tbh costs money

not to mention salaries

etc etc

[golden beacon]

Yeah

[worn pumice]

like u cant make changes to the game w/o spending money

directly or indirectly

this is just business 101

[golden beacon]

"If the devs don't want to spend money to make their game, thats their call"

Well they are spending their money and have made many changes such as new deinos and mechanics

[golden beacon]

And official servers are good if you want no rules

[upper pumice]

ppl who are saying no to my comment in the feedback channel explain why

[compact hare]

I think the understood it as something urgent, very important

[worn pumice]

why would deino need another eating animation?

[compact hare]

I really like the idea! But I believe its something for later, rather than now :) maybe if you write this the suggestion will be more understandable

[upper pumice]

bc having 1 is repetative and its rlly unrealistic that it rolls to pull meat off with every bite, they dont do that

[upper pumice]

ya i was just saying it as like something in the far future for like a polish up

[manic flint]

It's a waste of time rn Imo

[worn pumice]

sounds more like an opinion honestly

[manic flint]

Oh ok then lol

[worn pumice]

oh ye far in the future sure

[manic flint]

Yea

[worn pumice]

at that point they could just do that for all dinos

[manic flint]

Let's get more Dino's in first

[worn pumice]

first mechanics and dinos

roadmap getting updated too

today

[upper pumice]

yes yes ofc sorry i didnt specify

i love the animation i was just thinking an extra one would be a nice touch in the future

[manic flint]

Lol

Yea their gonna add like 20 more Dino's or smth and humans let's not spend time on something that doesn't matter much

[upper pumice]

how do you know this

[manic flint]

They said that

[golden beacon]

I mean we just dont need another animation its also extra work for the devs

[upper pumice]

once it gets to the point of polishing the game it would be a good addition, and literally any polish up isnt "needed" but that doesnt mean it shouldnt be added

[golden beacon]

Well might as well add a new animation to every dino because why just add it to one? And your forgetting how many dinos they are adding its still a lot.

[upper pumice]

bc the deinos is the most obviously repetative with its rolling, the others arent as obvious

also ik they dont intend to make this game hyper realistic but it rolling for every chunk of meat is very unrealistic

[golden beacon]

It goes through a whole animation theres a bit after the roll which is a normal bite so its not only the roll

[upper pumice]

im aware still repetative though

[golden beacon]

Its all repetitive

[upper pumice]

at the moment yes

but none are as noticable as deinos roll every 2 seconds

[golden beacon]

I mean not only deino should get something just because its more noticable doesn't mean we should only do that one

[upper pumice]

didnt say we shouldnt do it for more dinos lol

[golden beacon]

Your saying you should do deino and focus on deino because its repetitive? Definitely sounds like you are saying only deino needs it

And im guessing you are a deino main?

[upper pumice]

no

[upper pumice]

im saying if new animations are added for dinos that are already playable deino should be one that they do if theyre only going to select a couple to add for

[compact hare]

Its really dumb but guarana scares me so much

for some reason

Trees with eyeballs lel

[violet sparrow]

I don't judge you. It looks like it's gonna kill me in my sleep

[compact hare]

[violet sparrow]

idk why but this eye do be looking real tasty?

fr tho look at this, it looks juicy

has anyone here ever eaten guarana?

I have only tried guarana drinks but never the fruit

[tawny juniper]

Would you really like to bring the unrealistic argument in about this game

[paper oriole]

Doubt we'll see trike and rex for a while, would make sense to have them releases together

Though steg came early so who knows i guess, maybe trike will be deemed slow enough to not be a big blow to the early ecosystem before other apexes

[crude girder]

To be fair Steg was advertised to be this big deal, since it was a new model and everything, Trike is far lower priority, as it merely showed off seamless growth alongside Para in the hope trailer

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr Everything from legacy is coming to evrima except puertasaurus

[paper oriole]

Guaranas look kinda like ackees, they related?

Always thought ackee would be neat in the isle, either would look cool

[west agate]

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[barren zephyr]

@gray loom why though?

I dont see why that change is needed

[gray loom]

Because Iv been dying more to my own kind than anything else. I could team with some guys for 2 hours and still have them kill me for no reason.

[glad dirge]

Ah yes, other members of same species are immortal towards cannibalism until you are starving

Because that's not abusable

[barren zephyr]

then play better

trust no one

fire emblem style

its a survival game after all

[gray loom]

No, it would be if the victim was smaller then he couldnt be attacked by another one larger unless he attacked first

[barren zephyr]

I think red eyes if you cannibalize would be neat

[gray loom]

I win nearly every fight that I start unless I say hey Ima go afk then my fcking teamate kills me

[barren zephyr]

your idea makes the game too easy and unrealistic

just get better at surviving

[gray loom]

No youre right the game is fine it doesnt need to change

Also have you actually read anything iv said bro

[barren zephyr]

i have

wdym

[gray loom]

Because you answer all of my questions with insults

and I never said shit to you

[barren zephyr]

….what

I haven’t insulted you…..

[gray loom]

...

[barren zephyr]

…..

[gray loom]

bruh you keep telling me to get better as in I cant survive

all Im saying is that canibalism is cancer unless you fcking have to do it

Otherwise it just ruins it for everyone

[barren zephyr]

Telling someone that they should get better at survival isnt a insult

its a game, dont take it too personal

[barren zephyr]

play on rules servers then

dont ruin the game for other people

[gray loom]

It doesnt have to be what I said just something to stop people from camping spawns and killing teamates would work and it doesnt have to be for the whole game

[median ore]

cannibalism ruins the game for many people, sooooo....

[barren zephyr]

you aren’t teamates just because youre the same species

you are a ANIMAL

this isnt a “team game”

its survival

[median ore]

the vast majority of animals don't cannibalize bruh

[barren zephyr]

and?

[median ore]

cannibalism debuff is good, fight me

[barren zephyr]

I mean, its already confirmed

just not in the way you suggest

[median ore]

I didn't suggest anything, but I DID point out how you're being a hypocrite fighting that dude for "ruining other people's fun" while defending a behavior lots of people find unfun

[swift dew]

cannibalism debuffs are most likely coming with diets, just dont play cera and other things that cannibalize if you don't like cannibalism at that point

[gray loom]

No thats fine when they are deadass in your group, then I would consider them teamates. After 2 calls and everything, then they should be considered teamates

[median ore]

I will be SO happy for these days, really! and I'll still play cera when I want a challenge

[swift dew]

which btw, carno, and deino in my eyes should be able to be cannibals

[median ore]

I can agree with Deino, but if Carno gets slotted into the "small game" niche, it really should be "too weak" to cannibalize it's own species

(or want to not, because it'd waste a ton of energy)

[swift dew]

not younger members of its own species

[median ore]

Ehhh

Tru

[gray loom]

^YES

[median ore]

I'd be cool with a cannibalism cutoff at sub-adult, as long as juvies can still have a viable way to survive adults

[barren zephyr]

thats silly

[gray loom]

Thats all i want. If its 2 adults then game on its actually down to skill but when its an adult abusing a kid then its fucked up

[barren zephyr]

thats dumb

[swift dew]

i mean, thats kinda what I said. that carnos are able to kill younger members of their own species

[barren zephyr]

locking out a food source for carnis is silly

[median ore]

like... yeah, most adult carnivores DO kill and eat younger members of their species, that's normal

usually it's males eating babies but

[gray loom]

Yea but this is a game and the animal behaviors in the wild are hard to compare when human nature is sick and unpredictable

[median ore]

for gameplay reasons, juvies should be able to have a chance of escaping their adult versions -- which is why Deino juvie is badly balanced rn, it can barely escape adults

[gray loom]

^

[barren zephyr]

I still dont see the issue with cannibalism

[median ore]

I say "barely" bc I'm sneaky-sneaky so I've done it

but if a hungry adult spots you... they'll outspeed / outstam you, you're screwed

[barren zephyr]

Like cannibalism against people you’re literally grouped with being not allowed? Thats fine

but cannibalism in general shouldn’t be discouraged

[gray loom]

Yea was what I was saying

[swift dew]

at this point its really easy to survive as anything with the exception of deino, you just wallow to hide your tracks, run to the forest and afk (I know its kinda bad but its really the only way to grow without staring at your screen aimlessly for hours on end) and then you eat and drink when your food and thirst run low.

[median ore]

preeeetty much

[gray loom]

And baby deinos cant run away

They have nothing on the adults

[median ore]

they CAN, but it's... purely luck-based, on how persistent the adult is

[gray loom]

Thats sortv'e the case with most things about the game

When its based on luck for one party then its not balanced

[median ore]

deino juvies can't even wallow to go stealth tho, everything else can

deino juvies need to spend most of the time out of water, and haul ass the second they see or hear a deino that could be bigger than them

and that's just bad gameplay, bc not even that will prevent an adult from sniffing them out

like... no, it shouldn't be easy to survive as a juvie - and it's not - but your survival shouldn't purely rely on whether or not another player was feeling nice that day

originally the juvies were suppose to be able to keep up with adults, speed / stamina wise... if that became the case, or close to it, it'd be a lot more engaging to play a juvenile because you would stand a chance. as broken as baby stego is with it's massive damage, it has at least been given an actual chance to survive to adult

anyway these are balance discussion things and I'm on a ramble 😂 -- TL;DR, juvies should be weak, but be able to outspeed, outstam, or outstealth their adult counterparts to make them more viable (and more enjoyable) when it comes to surviving. as a whole.

[chilly slate]

what's wrong with my suggestion?

it's realistic and it's a good gameplay mechanic

[strange wave]

worthless idea

nobody will fall for it

literally nobody

[nova sparrow]

just dont get hit by birds

[cyan flame]

@strange waveDo remember you're talking about people who knows there's a big gator in game, who knows it has a lunge/grab that it uses from the water/shoreline. And who still fall for the "hey there's fish/body lying here, free food!"

[strange wave]

tbf, carnivores have it rough

like

carnos and utahs are constantly on the verge of starvation

[cyan flame]

Still, you get the point I'm sure :p

[strange wave]

yeah

peoples is dumb

but logs wont fix cannibalize or pteras harassing little deinos

[nova sparrow]

facts

[cyan flame]

No, probably not

[strange wave]

especially since logs and baby deinos look nothing alike

[chilly slate]

no way of guaranteeing that

[nova sparrow]

i dont think it would take much for someone to be able to tell them apart lol

[cyan flame]

But logs + ability to somehow camo as one, would be hilarious :p

[chilly slate]

it would make it more immersive anyway

[strange wave]

sorry, maybe you would, but nobody else

[chilly slate]

wow

[nova sparrow]

its a interesting idea but people will know the diffrence

[strange wave]

deino transmutes into a log

[nova sparrow]

factual

[chilly slate]

stuff like this

[nova sparrow]

but its just sitting on top

the croc is still there ?

[strange wave]

pteras are still gonna peck it

[chilly slate]

yes? with camoflauge?

[strange wave]

big deinos are still gonna eat it

[cyan flame]

There's a short youtube vid that I'm thinking of that would be just right :p

[chilly slate]

but what i'm saying is that there would be other logs

[nova sparrow]

people are just going to peck it

[chilly slate]

floating around

[strange wave]

wont solve cannibalism or pteras being pteras

[nova sparrow]

this is just two twigs ontop of a croc tho

[chilly slate]

are you kidding

you would look at it from above where it's hard to see

[nova sparrow]

it looks like a croc ? i would peck it any day

[strange wave]

no, but you can see the outline clearly from the air

[chilly slate]

when older crocs can jump out of the water and eat you, would you still go so close to the water

[nova sparrow]

yes

i need to drink

[chilly slate]

yes... but it would look similar to other logs

[nova sparrow]

not going to stop the pecking

[strange wave]

yes, all logs will be crocodile shaped and float around

[chilly slate]

no, just flying close to the water in general

[nova sparrow]

i would

it takes an hour to grow

i dont care if i die

[strange wave]

float crocodile cutouts down the river, when a big deino eats it, the big deino chokes and dies, this is how you solve deino cannibalism

[chilly slate]

when you are above the water it doesn't look crocodile shaped

[strange wave]

you have never played ptera then

[nova sparrow]

then people will know 💀

[strange wave]

you can see gators easily

[nova sparrow]

not to peck it

[chilly slate]

also can you please turn pings off lol

[strange wave]

why

[chilly slate]

because its annoying

[strange wave]

@chilly slate fine then

[chilly slate]

@strange wave k

[strange wave]

we do a little trolling

[chilly slate]

what does this even mean

floating logs would make rivers look nicer anyway

and more realistic

[strange wave]

and kill servers faster than dynamic persistant scarring

[nova sparrow]

💀

[chilly slate]

how lol

just gliding along, not overusing animations

[nova sparrow]

thats animation ?

[strange wave]

but the logs... are dynamic

[nova sparrow]

imagine having to fly and load 200 dynamic logs

[strange wave]

interactable logs that move around will murder servers

[chilly slate]

something called render distance btw

not sure if you've heard of it

[strange wave]

[chilly slate]

[barren zephyr]

[strange wave]

@pallid delta no

[pallid delta]

Damn, sorry, I’ll shut up.

[strange wave]

please

[chilly slate]

o_o

[barren zephyr]

That’s not very nice Bork

[strange wave]

i wouldnt like to have to struggle to fucking spawn in, then be blind, then see i got rng'd into having garbage stats because "runt lol"

[strange wave]

i dont really care at this point

[pallid delta]

Nah it’s fine, I can see how some of the ideas I threw out there wouldn’t be very fun, I just don’t want it to be a cake walk when your first spawned in is all.

[strange wave]

spawning in shouldnt be a challenge

[chilly slate]

yeah that would be kind of annoying, and i think blindness as a hatchling doesnt happen with lizards

[strange wave]

that is just infuriating

[pallid delta]

Aight, mb then

[nova sparrow]

maybe as an option when nesting is in

even then thats extreme

i dont wanna spend 20 minutes trying to get out of an egg

[chilly slate]

targeting dinos isnt very realistic either

[nova sparrow]

just to be blind and small 😭

[pallid delta]

I know, but when fighting a carno I shouldn’t be able to impale the small dryo that barely comes up to my ankles, and it’s gonna be annoying if I have to guard my nest like legacy, there needs to be some way to not hit babies/ small dinos when not meaning too.

[valid wolf]

anyone know why all my system/chat buttons have just suddenly stopped working?

[full canopy]

i was a deino at 38% and then a Tenento saw me chillin and just ran for me. I had no chance in killing him I'm not even sure my bites were hitting him. everytime I've died with deino it always feels so cheap and like there was nothing I could've done differently other than "not moved out of my bush, ever" and I don't even know if its fixable because of how deino is supposed to be played.

I honestly think I want the deino to just grow faster. It's just too pathetic before adulthood

[minor monolith]

I mean against terrestrials you do have the option of running

the real big issue is other aquatics, so deinos rn

[limber hull]

yea

deinos do seem to kill others for sport

i was vibing in an area with tons of fish

and another deino just tunnelvisioned me

and killed me

[minor monolith]

perhaps trying to dislodge you from the area

though killing imo would be a bit much

[limber hull]

no he went full aggressive

no rhyme nor reason

[minor monolith]

honestly my biggest hope is they add some sort of infection mechanic later - I guess fractures will help a lot

like sure you could randomly aggro someone...and they land a hit on you

break your leg

[limber hull]

i hope diets naturally discourage eating others of your kind

[minor monolith]

honestly eating your own kind should have no benefits

other than of course, a full belly

[limber hull]

dieno can be the least fun shit of all time. 5 hours of having to hide in a bush because in the water, other dienos will kill you and you serve no threat to any other creature. It's cool once you reach adulthood

but like

deinos specifically have the biggest issue when it comes to trusting their own kind

[minor monolith]

nowhere to hide, nowhere to run either - makes it super tempting to just eat young deinos

what are they gonna do?

[mint sonnet]

AI would fix most of this I think- also cause AI can't be bored trolls sehfg they just be dinos (im talking good ai, not the random dryos we see once every 100 years)
and the whole cannibalism mechanic would prolly help too

ppl are just
sighs

[minor monolith]

honestly I think the biggest help will be what I have been railing on for the last few days: more cover and more variety of cover

[mint sonnet]

that too,,

[minor monolith]

cover that allows you to survive as a youngling so as long as you keep your head on a swivel, with less that can protect you as you get older

[limber hull]

honestly, it feels like you should just play idle with deino rather than actively engage. Never thought I'd say this, but honestly I feel due to how niche and specific the hunting ground of the deino is, the time to grow needs reduction. Fuck man, everything can bully a deino in it's early age, from carnivores to herbivores, everything picks on it

even its own kind

deinos are some of the easiest predators to ignore and avoid in the game, and really only serve as Apex dinos to species that either live constantly by the water or those unfortunate enough to meet it. Without the Beipiaosaurus or other such water-based dinos, the deinos specific hunting ground goes from a cool niche to utter shit, since it has no preferred or consistent prey

[minor monolith]

as of right now, the mechanics and map design totally promote "pray and afk" style gameplay

entirely luck that you arent spotted

[limber hull]

the swamp is such a cool environment for them

too bad the swamp is nearly always empty

[minor monolith]

sure you can increase your chances by living in the swamps, but its still almost suicide

[limber hull]

i rarely find any food in swamp areas due to most creatures not giving a rats ass about the swamp

which makes sense, herbivores get all the food they need from the wide open plains

[minor monolith]

oh I just swim around and eat fish until im old enough and move out

the wishbone lake has a ton

[limber hull]

right but players tho

[mint sonnet]

AI would fix this
Consistent prey, consistent ANYTHING is only achievable with ai
Cause players, as we've seen aren't consistent lol

This game is prey and afk its true >:"D

[limber hull]

with diets, perhaps the biome could be mushroom-filled, making those creatures who enjoy mushrooms to move there

[minor monolith]

well in the swamp I have avoided most of the players

I was able to stealth my way around that, but thats only because it has an abundance of cover

and I was still lucky no big croc came along

now im 50% and hanging around the center

near the road

this is a nice spot to stay, good access to the three water bodies

I ran into one aggressive gator but I got out of the water and turned around to fight and they didnt seem to want to bother with it

so that was nice

[limber hull]

i really do feel that diets are a necessity for the game moving forward, and that a creature should be able to "over-eat" an environment and lowers the amount of edible plants there

forcing migration

[minor monolith]

yeah that will be nice

[limber hull]

i can go into plains and find enough food to last me my entire life-cycle

as a herbivore

simply by holding Q

[odd sedge]

Well... I think the niche of Microraptor isn't the problem.
Microraptor could simply be too small compared to other creatures

[minor monolith]

it might make a good food choice later

like an AI only creature

herras can chase them around on trees and stuff

so could young utahs

[odd sedge]

Ohhhh that would be dope

[minor monolith]

a bunch of young utahs learning to hunt chasing microraptors

[mint sonnet]

yeah microraptor would be cool as ai only

[minor monolith]

while the adults watch

"how 2 packhunt"

[odd sedge]

Perfect animal to practice hunting as a small Utah or small Herra

Because I mean... I doubt Micro would actually be able to fight back. Just a lil pain to catch

[minor monolith]

thats fine, thats what makes it fun in this case

not like tacos were any more dangerous than a low velocity impact with a potato on legacy 😂

this would actually be really interesting

as catching it would require some timing and skill - or some friends

its something you could pack hunt as juvis with

you could corner it as a team

[odd sedge]

It could really come together with the Hera leap and pounce mechanic

If the leaping is anything like aiming with Hypsi spit, then it could easily pounce on one from another tree. Though it will require stealth, aim and luck

[minor monolith]

honestly all environments should have a few small AI as a base food source

so microraptors could be one for forested environments

we have fish, hopefully we can get another small creature (perhaps snakes or another crocodilian?) as another foodsource in aquatic areas

some other fliers would be good

[odd sedge]

That would make me less worried about herra hunting when there is no Oro or some smaller creature around

[mint sonnet]

all environments should have ai, period

[minor monolith]

naturally these base animals would be difficult to catch as you grow older

so you have to go for more challenging (and more likely a player) prey

so you grow up hunting the AI and go for the dangerous hunts as an adult

at least thats how I would try to line it up

like imagine if fish had sensing abilities proportional to your size

meaning you eat little fish, then the elite fish, and then you can barely catch any since you are too big

so as a deino, you grow up and "grow out" of eating AI as your primary food source

yes you can eat them but they are more supplementary at that point

[brave nova]

never heard about the ptera life drain, what's that?

[odd sedge]

You just Start losing health for no reason until you die

[full canopy]

I think cannibalizing definitely should give a debuff

it's an easy fix

[fallen path]

What do yall think of my suggestion?

[odd sedge]

Well I mean I like it and it's realistic.
Either the nest will be visible enough to find or Ovi can sniff the eggs out to dig for them in the end tho

[brittle ivy]

@halcyon jewel You’ll need to ask in the Teutonic discord. The administrators found in this official discord service only the Official game servers.

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr if your comparing gigantoraptor to galli then why are you suggesting it? galli is returning along with everything else from legacy you know

[strange pilot]

No idea where to ask other than here so...anyone else get a stupid F call glitch when playing deino? Gives your position away so much

[brittle ivy]

Please describe it in #723294838610722847. If you have a recording you can provide a report in the link provided for #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[tawny juniper]

If the nesting system is coming out earlier then expected are ovi and galli also coming out earlier?

[crystal minnow]

@barren zephyr Ok i like the realism in your idea. But how will this counter overpopulation of predators? Who will eat all those fresh spawn carnis running around?? Solution would be more herbivore ai. Or else it will put even more pressure on playable herbis, specially defenceless juvies.

[barren zephyr]

oh yeah I forgot to mention

the carnivores will starve

yep. Simple as that.

[crystal minnow]

Witch sound like fun

[barren zephyr]

obviously it is not fun

[crystal minnow]

So its useless

[barren zephyr]

AI can fill in the gaps

BUT

[tawny juniper]

If isn't fun nobody wants it as a game mechanic

[barren zephyr]

these dynamics create further balance

ok so people do not seem to get my idea and I am labelled as a clown (apparently).

[crystal minnow]

I was thinking alot about this issue too. And the only solution i found was limit the predators. But again that also not fun

[barren zephyr]

The limit is a far less subtle means of doing it

it is making a manmade barrier

whereas resource availability is a lot less "in-your-face" as a means of restricting the populations of each faction.

[crystal minnow]

Starving juvies it it then.

[barren zephyr]

oh

I am not saying juvies need to be starved

Or actually the reason why juvies are starving is due to a lack of herbivores.

[crystal minnow]

Obviously the adult wont starve

[barren zephyr]

Because everyone wants to play as a carno

or utah

or deino

or ptera

Carnivores outnumber herbivores, not only because there are not a lot of herbivore AI, but because there is nothing influencing balance.

[crystal minnow]

But the herbs getting eaten by the aadult alredy

Also more popular that herbs.

[barren zephyr]

So carnivores are more popular than herbivores. Ok fair enough.

and now that collapses my argument, because the isle is about fun only rather than an island with a complete, balanced ecosystem.

Right?

[crystal minnow]

Balanced ecosystem? In the isle?

[urban flax]

Actually that would'nt even work for a balanced ecosystem

You simply can't have one without AI

Because you need at least 10x the number of herbies compared to carnies

Especally if you want something realistic

Oh and btw, preventing carnis from eathing carni meat is anything but realistic ˆˆ

[barren zephyr]

well how often does it happen irl that a terrestrial carnivore eats the meat of another terrestrial carnivore (e.g. a lion eating the carcass of a hyena)

[crystal minnow]

It will result und foodwaste if all those juvies starve and only deino and ptera eat them

;)

[urban flax]

Lions eating hyenas ? I don't know
But wolves eating foxes happen all the time

[barren zephyr]

or actually there is evidence of predatory dinosaurs eating other predatory dinosaurs

[urban flax]

Hawks eat other birds (including carnivore ones) as their main diet

[barren zephyr]

but usually they are not preferred prey

There was a spinosaurus tooth embedded in the skeleton of a Carcharodontosaurus. It presumably scavenged from it.

[urban flax]

I didn't say they should be preferred prey

But it makes no sense that they can't eat it at all

So scavenging isn't eating ?

[barren zephyr]

It is eating. But I forgot about it.

So the ecosystem is unbalanced because people want to play as carnies only and there is nothing we can do about it, apparently

[crystal minnow]

Its obvious

[barren zephyr]

other than getting a shit tonne of AI

[urban flax]

It's not that people want to play carni only
I know many people who'd like to main herbi

But let's be honest, there's not much to do as an herbi rn in evrima

The only thrill of the game comes from fighting

[crystal minnow]

Herbi just need more interesting mecanics or benefits

[urban flax]

And as a herbi, you gain nothing from fighting while as a carni, you get rewarder for it

Plus, the most unique playables for now are ptera and deino, who are both carnivores

For herbies, dryos and hypsi are basically the same thing, except hypsi is useless

[crystal minnow]

Herbis find the same satisfaction i killing as a carno lol

Carni*

[urban flax]

But they can't really choose their fights either, since they are slower
Carnis can always flee from herbies (except deinos, but that's another problem)

[crystal minnow]

Herbis ar just lilited to only eat herbs but otherwise the want to kill as much as carnis

Limited*

[urban flax]

Of course, because there is nothing else to do

[crystal minnow]

Does a stego need to flee?

[urban flax]

But if eating herbs was as engaging as chasing prey currently is, you wouldn't even think about attacking someone else

[barren zephyr]

well, flaws in gameplay noted.

[urban flax]

Flaws in an alpha game, duh

[barren zephyr]

fair enough

[crystal minnow]

If the herb is fast it chooses juvie carnis to run down

[urban flax]

Yeah but the only fast herbi we have is dryo and... well...
75N

[crystal minnow]

The most common interest in both herb and carnis is have interactions with players and killing stuff.

[urban flax]

Hopefully it may change with diets, perks, nesting and humans

[crystal minnow]

Doubt but lets hope.

As long it stays fun.

Aight was nice talking to you guys

@odd sedge really enjoyed to read this suggestion about nesting! Very good and well thought out!

[barren zephyr]

And I literally used diets as an attempt to balance it out

pfft....

[brittle ivy]

@rare pond General feedback is not the appropriate place to ask such questions. I recommend asking in #401464048610312195!

@boreal salmon It is still planned, just not for the immediate future.

[boreal salmon]

Ahhh awesome

[odd sedge]

Thank you pal
I was really hyped when I saw that they decided to do the nesting earlier. I really miss that currently in the game

[noble pine]

@barren zephyr thats already planned

[barren zephyr]

balancing the ecosystems of the game?

or just diets

or are diets a part of balancing

[noble pine]

Diets are what balance the ecosystem

You’re punished for cannibalism, over eating, over hunting etc etc, you will have preferred prey or foliage, there’s tons of stuff going into diets to help smooth out the ecosystems

[sand scroll]

how to land in trees as Ptera?

[unkempt musk]

I have no fu*king clue

[sand scroll]

lol

[odd sedge]

You gotta be lucky and land on the small, invisible hitbox on these large trees with the many branches on top by pressing Z

[tawny juniper]

Stego fights doesn't flee

[teal parrot]

Guys check out my latest diets update suggestion.

[safe galleon]

Did you put a checkmark and a heart on it yourself?

[teal parrot]

Of course, a candidate always casts a vote for himself.

[odd sedge]

I do think we need a water and a hunger bar. Just press insert to see your health or create an entirely new icon for it above hunger and thirst. But don't put thirst and hunger into one

[teal parrot]

I agree about the heart you didn’t read where I said I’d prefer to just remove the water icon entirely?

Like you said, can just press insert.

[odd sedge]

Yeah that's where I disagree.
I don't want water to get removed

[fringe surge]

When it comes to the future skin/color options I honestly believe we should be given a bit more creative freedom. BUT. If you're going to control which colors we choose, we should be given more greens/browns that match foliage and aren't a poopy off brown/green that still royally make us stick out.

[cyan flame]

But you still have food and water there on the sides?

[teal parrot]

Hunger and thirst in one is not what I drew. Nutrition and hydration are separate half circles. Satiety replaces hunger and is the center stomach icon and represents how full or empty the stomach is.

[cyan flame]

It's just apparently that you now combine them, so stomach is just how full you are, but not what you're full because of.

I think there's some other games that does something similar.

[odd sedge]

I think it's unnecessary

[cyan flame]

I like it, might make it a bit more tricky to keep everything full and in order possibly.

[odd sedge]

That's why I dislike it

[teal parrot]

Yes exactly. “Food” on one side, “water” on the other, represented by the half circles of different colors.

[odd sedge]

Literally no need apart from making things unorganized and difficult to overview

[cyan flame]

I'm not sure how it makes it unorganized to be honest. And I would imagine it gets easy enough to see when you're used to it. I mostly like the mechanic itself, if not the exact way it's represented in this idea.

[teal parrot]

Icky it’s not unorganized or difficult. It’s less screen clutter, but more importantly, it’s an intuitive mechanic which balances nutrients and water with stomach fullness. It’s more elegant and less rudimentary. I’ve seen something similar in other games too.

[teal parrot]

Yes the representation is clunky, I’d assume it would be implemented in a more elegant manner if implemented. For instance, maybe replacing the nutrition suite (stomach and circles) to the right of the stamina bar, more out of the way, or something? I dunno. Lol

[odd sedge]

There is literally no need for this

[teal parrot]

There’s no need for the game the isle either mate. But they are still making it.

[odd sedge]

What kind of argument is that?

[teal parrot]

We want the game. We want a better hunger thirst and stomach fullness mechanic.

[cyan flame]

I don't know Ovi, I think it could add some more difficulty to keeping yourself both well fed and well watered. Make it a bit more of a decision if you're going to eat or drink right now, cause you can't just do both fully.

[odd sedge]

I get the point.
And I hate that mechanic. I don't want it

So I put ❌

[teal parrot]

Yep. Also it would give more choices for filling up ur stomach with water or food before doing certain things, like taking an exploration trek far from water, or going to take a hunt where you know you won’t find food for awhile.

[cyan flame]

Fair enough Ovi. I think it's too easy to survive as it stands right now, so I'll welcome things that'll make it more demanding and require more planning out on how to go about it.

[teal parrot]

I get it man. You don’t like it. No worries. I just think it adds depth of gameplay experience. That’s not for everyone tho, some players like things ultra basic and strait forward, or just dislike any kind of change of a system that never caused them any issues. To each their own. 🙂

Looks like a current majority of ppl prefer the clunky, overly simplistic, zero thought or planning, current system of hunger and thirst. This is why I wish sometimes I could pitch my suggestions direct to the dev team. Lol. It sucks being a creative developer and have gamers and engineers shoot down ideas without being able to articulate a valid creative reason against it.

@umbral pond I dunno about that. I’ve thought about it for sure, making them faster in water. I kinda like it because it’s realistic. But more stamina, that I disagree with because babies are really new and get exhausted fast. But faster? Yeah... they are lighter and have more fat in general, so easier to float, and less mass to resist the water. Could be a good idea I think.

[odd sedge]

I don't want to talk about the actual topic, because I think it will lead no where, but you do realise you cannot convince people of your opinion and position by making fun of theirs, right?

[worn pumice]

personally i feel like keeping small deinos as they r now in the water but simply making them faster on land

[urban flax]

About that stomach, hunger and thirst rework... I've just read through the whole discussion and... sure, it's good to put more strategy, more planning and all of this, but there are places where it's necessary and places where it isn't.

[cyan flame]

@teal parrotFrom what I know, the devs do read suggestions, it's not just the people, so if they see and like the suggestion, they might implement it or something close it that fits their own vision. And do tone down the attitude, just because you and I think it's a good idea does not mean everyone else have to agree. Current version works just fine, even if I'd like something more along your idea.

[teal parrot]

I know this. I’m also not making fun of the current mechanic, I’m criticizing it, because it needs work.

[cyan flame]

Maybe not make them faster, just less stamina drain? So they can haul ass longer, and get away in that manner? If that's not a thing already that is.

[teal parrot]

You’re right.

[urban flax]

Is having players strategize over wether they prefer to drink or eat a good thing ? How would a new player react to dying of hunger because they drank too much and could no longer eat ?

[worn pumice]

either or works

[urban flax]

Is it even possible to be so full of water to no longer be able to eat (or the opposite) anyway ?

[worn pumice]

as long as they can get away

[teal parrot]

I agree it’s definitely a polish mechanic, not an emergent issue.

[cyan flame]

I'd say the second thing is a lack of in game info on how things work, that goes for pretty much everything in this game right now honestly. And yes, I personally think it would add more than detract, game is too easy and that's bad. But then I want a hardcore survival so it's a personal preference no doubt.

[worn pumice]

u can make small deinos better on land so they can escape bigger deinos while still having threats

[urban flax]

I'm all in for a hardcore experience too. But I'd have more time to focus on the hardcore don't-get-eaten part if I didn't have to manage how full my stomach is so I don't end up not being able to satiate my thirst or hunger.

The idea behind a hunger and thirst bars rework isn't bad in my opinion, but I don't see how it is better than the current mechanic.

[cyan flame]

Well, survival is about managing your own wellbeing, so to me it makes sense. If you have to manage that, you have to worry about when you do what, and make sure you have food or water when you need it.

[teal parrot]

Not really, because water absorbs quickly in my imaginary overhaul. So yeah you could fill up 100% on water, but it would absorb pretty quickly (because water is absorbed quickly IRL), so space would free up quickly to eat.
But the reverse, eating so much that you can’t drink much, that could be a problem. But even so, the stomach would empty enough to take a few sips of water and keep topping off to hydrate. It would introduce the problem of having to keep visiting the water, which is dangerous. So it would make survival harder because the decisions you make in managing ur needs would have deeper consequences.

[urban flax]

Other survival games most of the time do it by having different foods giving different buffs/debuffs, and since we're pretty sure we're going to get this in some sort with diets, I doubt having to manage stomach fullness on top of that is necessary.

Hmmm
I put an X but I'm honestly only 51% against the idea, that's a good point

[cyan flame]

True, a more developed diet system would be nice too. We'll see how they do that. It's not all that important that this is the one mechanic, at least not to me, it's more that I just like the idea of more things for you to manage and worry about, so there's less downtime or time to run around and be an unmitigated asshat and all that. If you have time to be "free", it's too easy in the first place.

[urban flax]

I just most of the time hate games where you have to carefully manage what you eat, when you eat, what you drink, etc... I mean, ok, some foods are toxic, but come on, that's just food. I'm less picky than videogame survivalists irl and in better shape.

[teal parrot]

Oh this is a good point. I think it’s better because

1. More depth and consequence to decisions
2. More survivability in low food low water situations
3. Optional greater exploration range from food and water sources.
   Because before you start to starve and die, ur stomach has to be empty, and your nutrients and or water has to fully drain to nothing. It’s better than the current system where having an empty stomach will kill you in a few hours. Lol

[urban flax]

Tho this doesn't really apply to the stomach rework suggestion

I like the fact that you can gorge yourself in water to go on a long trip, but then there's a lot of balance questions

[cyan flame]

I don't really mind it, I'm here for the specific survival experience, and that means that the focus should lie on me keeping myself alive and well, not so much what I do to others. Also well, true it might be easier irl, but in irl you also have other things to do, and I don't think you run around and shit on others when you're bored.. :p

[teal parrot]

I think my suggestion would allow both more micromanaging and more freedom. Cuz you could potentially run around on an empty stomach, hungry, without instantly dying, because ur well nourished.

[urban flax]

-Realistically, a dino would be able to survive days or even weeks without eating. But it's probably not good for the game
-If you can drink a lot of water then not drink for a long time, then herbie gameplay would probably revolve around going to water once every blue moon to fill you up before camping a place where there are bushes

[teal parrot]

Let’s hear the balance stuff. I probably overlooked more than one potential complication.

Yes ur right.

[urban flax]

In this kind of savage pvp survival game, giving freedom to players is tricky because some of thm are not here for the survival experience but simply to be the most powerful possible and wreck everyone else

[teal parrot]

If the hydration dropped as fast as it does now, but you could water gorge before taking a trip, maybe it would add 25% more range to the trip (factoring in how quickly water would be absorbed). Do you think that would unbalance the game balance?

[cyan flame]

And that sort of playstyle should be borderline impossible to sustain, if the survival is done right. It's survival, PvPvE. If you're here for the deathmatch, you should not be able to do that very well, if at all. At least not in survival mode, there's sandbox for that.

[urban flax]

By giving players the choice of overcoming their hunger and thirst bars, you give them the opportunity to go out of their natural habitat, to stop following their diet (although that's intented to happen) and go to places where they shouldn't be.

[teal parrot]

Hmmm yes this is a good point

[urban flax]

I don't know how balanced or unbalanced it would be. The only way we could know would be to see it into action

[teal parrot]

Yeah

[urban flax]

That's why I'm extremely prudent with suggestions and ideas for new mechanics, and mostly put Xs under all of them.
I put a check mark under something only if I can find no downside or exploit to it, if it could be implemented as it is.

[teal parrot]

Well mine would definitely require some tuning if attempted, that’s always a given for anything I suggest.

I don’t think any suggestions I see could be implemented as is.

[urban flax]

Honestly I'm pretty sure there hasn't been a single suggestion in here that wouldn't require advanced thought nor tuning
But that's also why I put Xs
It's to attract the attention of the poster to discuss with them about the possible flaws of their suggestion and see if they can think of some fix themselves :P

[teal parrot]

I like what u said. The discussions is what I like too for the same reasons. Ppl see issues I can’t see. Do you have saurian? That game is where I got the inspiration for my suggestion. Take a look at their nourishment system if curious about potential balance iterations.

[urban flax]

No, but I've looked at it and it seems interesting

[cyan flame]

Have to admit, it's a good reasoning there!

[urban flax]

I don't have many survival games tbh, I prefer variety

[cyan flame]

I would look at DinoSystem if anything

[teal parrot]

It needs work tbh. A lot. But it’s an alpha so... lol

What’s dinosystem?

[cyan flame]

They have pretty much what Mik here has suggested if I recall correctly.

Search on steam and find out :p

[teal parrot]

Roger that

[urban flax]

Saurian is aiming to be super-realistic and is singleplayer, tho
Way easier to balance than a multiplayer game

A game like The Isle is really a nightmare to balance... some people say ptera is op, others say it's useless, people want buffs to deino, while others want nerf, same goes for utah, stego, teno... and every playable

Except hypsi
Everyone agrees it's shit

[cyan flame]

Hah!

You're not wrong, it just sounded funny :p

[teal parrot]

Also sorry about getting upset a bit there earlier. I saw a bunch of Xs with no ppl giving critical discussion and i got this picture in my head of ppl going “I jUsT DoNt LiKe iT cUZ iTs DiFeReNt!” Lol I apologize.

[urban flax]

Don't worry, you weren't that impolite

[teal parrot]

Haha! Yeah this is the way with MMOs.

[urban flax]

And come on, I just told you I put a X under most suggestions I see.
I'm prepared to talk with angry people.

[teal parrot]

Haha! Yah this was before you responded to it. 🙂

[digital vessel]

I hope they design diets around cannibalism because that's what's on the menu boys!

[urban flax]

They won't

Because herbies can't cannibalize

[digital vessel]

Well it will all be downhill eat this bush, suck this berry sort of thing.. Land carnivores starve alot ingame right now do to a odd range of things, half the server is deinos/ptera's do to easy foodage.. And they don't fall on the food chain to utah's and carno's?

[urban flax]

Actually you pointed the fact that diets will need more AI variety to be implemented

Hopefully utah and teno AI will be ready soon enough, and by that time we should be given a way to differentiate AI of our species from players

[digital vessel]

That's what I'm hinting at, because they announced they won't work on roster till after mechanics and perk/diets/nv get put in

[urban flax]

tbh I don't know how they're willing to implement diets with dinos not having their favorite food/prey in-game yet
I mean ok for herbies, it shouldn't take much time adding a new plant, but carno doesn't have much of a choice

[digital vessel]

It's listed on what they are working on in announcement..

[urban flax]

It's favorite prey is supposed to be dryos and hypsis, but nobody plays either of them

[digital vessel]

Upcoming updated

Exactly so you need a diverse ai system to accompany diets, if not its worthless

[urban flax]

I guess so

[digital vessel]

Land AI is broken, but fish aren't and most cannibalize to survive and the food chain is just wonky with JUST players supporting diets

[urban flax]

That, or they're gonna make placeholder diets

[abstract lark]

@hollow flint you want flak guns or something

[teal parrot]

How did you come across this info? Is it on the roadmap?

[hollow flint]

just something so the pteras cant just fly around and attack u like wtf u cant do something against it

[abstract lark]

if you crouch and the pteras go for you and then you stand up, they will collide with you and fall and you can kill them

ik every dino cant crouch but you can flee to the forests if the ptera is being a problem

being able to take a ptera from the sky would take alot from its gameplay

(unless it collides with you or a tree, then its the pteras fault)

[strange wave]

jump, ignore them, or go into the jungle, or, if you're a deino, go underwater

[swift dew]

or slap them out of the sky

[teal parrot]

You can attack ptera while flying. It’s just hard.

[hollow flint]

hows attacking full adult carnos part of the gameplay ?

[digital vessel]

listen ive killed full adult carno's as a pter, fun times

[strange wave]

ptera literally cant do anything to a carno

[hollow flint]

still its just annoying

[random hazel]

I love ptera for its chill gameplay

it's laid back

[tawny juniper]

I thought that too

then I got lost in my thoughts and crahsed into a tree, Barely survived and remained hurt the rest of my childhood

[safe galleon]

dio

come on man

[barren zephyr]

what

[safe galleon]

[barren zephyr]

You're really going to tell me seeing a wolf horde sprinting near you wouldn't be cool

[glad dirge]

Ptera is good for exploring the map

[safe galleon]

it would be cool, just not in this game

[barren zephyr]

really? I feel like it would fit thenyaw

[honest sparrow]

depends on the size of the carno, current health, how dumb they are, etc, but yeah if the carno has braincells pteras can't do much

[strange wave]

like, even at half health, a ptera cannot do enough to a carno to make it run in terror, you'd have to be afk on the verge of death for a ptera to kill a carno

[clever urchin]

@barren zephyr Umm.... What do you mean defending from Utahs as a Herbi is boring? You dont see thrill in 3 calling a Cerato AI as a Carno? Or your Utah pack of 5 utahs 3 calling an AI Rex? Then pouncing it and trying to take it down?

[barren zephyr]

No I dont

[clever urchin]

@odd sedge I think flashy colors would only need to be in the details for male dinos since they need to attract the females, and even then I'm against too flashy colors like pink... I'd rather want to see like a light blue and red like in Legacy

[barren zephyr]

Its AI, I cant get excited about that

[clever urchin]

But you can get excited about AI wolf?

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[clever urchin]

<_<

Okay, I'm willing to hear you out on it

[barren zephyr]

Cool, any questions you have?

[clever urchin]

Why do you think it would be better to have wolves instead of dino ai?

[odd sedge]

That's what I'm fine with.
I liked those and these are reasonable.
I just think seeing bright pink deinos roaming around would be... too much tho

[honest sparrow]

what's the bad thing about killing ai if it acts like a player?

[clever urchin]

Preach lmao, I'm also against Pink in details even. I'm drawing the line with lime green lmao

[honest sparrow]

food is food, """immersion""" is """immersion"""

[clever urchin]

I'm just baffled about him thinking headbutting a utah as a pachy and killing it/injuring it is boring...

Hell I'd love a standoff between pachys and utahs

[barren zephyr]

I dont like dino AI, I feel like mammal AI just its the isle more

[honest sparrow]

there is little to no difference, and it saves time and money by not having them make shit that is only going to be ai

[clever urchin]

Have you played Legacy Dio?

[honest sparrow]

also, how would mammals even survive on an island where dinosaurs basically outcompete them in every aspect

I can accept monke and rat ai

but wolf ai

deer ai

shit like that

[clever urchin]

Its funny lmao

I also think Wolf AI wouldnt be exciting

[honest sparrow]

just doesn't work

[clever urchin]

I'm more of a roleplayer myself, and I'd love to fight AI that I'm supposed to fight as a- Idk, a Cerato?

Not a wolf...

Or hunt deer......

I dont mean to be a dick to Dio but...

It just wouldnt work

I think it would make people make a double take on getting the game

Since most of us are here for the immersion

[honest sparrow]

I like to look at it as objective as possible:
Is it worth it? No
Does it waste time? Yes
Does it add anything new? No
Does it cost money and time that could be spent on finishing the actual ai and updates? Yes
Does it change anything from a gameplay perspective? Visually sure, but not gameplay wise
Does it make sense in the context of an island full of dinosaurs and monsters? No

[clever urchin]

^ This

[barren zephyr]

yea

[clever urchin]

Then you must be eating some shrooms if you think Wolf and Deer AI would make it more like "The Isle"

[barren zephyr]

Thats why wolves would hunt in massive hordes

[clever urchin]

Utah packs can do the same

[barren zephyr]

Wolves would be cooler

[honest sparrow]

or troodon

or dilo

[barren zephyr]

dilo shouldnt pack hunt

[clever urchin]

Oooo I forgot about Troodons

[honest sparrow]

or any other small-pseudo mid carnivore

[clever urchin]

They were Pack Hunters

[barren zephyr]

and utah shouldnt be in a "massive horde" thats OP

[clever urchin]

Though they were Night Hunters

Utahs were also pack hunters

[honest sparrow]

wolves aren't exactly massive horders either

[clever urchin]

^

[barren zephyr]

well they can in the isle

[clever urchin]

So can Utahs then

[honest sparrow]

and guess what bucko, so can dinos

[barren zephyr]

The issue with huge AI hordes is that utah is too strong for it to happen

[clever urchin]

LMFAO

It doesnt have to be a Utah

It can be a Troodon when it gets added

[honest sparrow]

just don't make them pounce, and they're ai

[barren zephyr]

A horde of gray wolves is manageable for a utah

[clever urchin]

Utahs I'd put in a pack of 3

[barren zephyr]

well know you're gimping AI

[honest sparrow]

no it is not, a utah will get fucked against a horde of wolves

[barren zephyr]

alt bite

[honest sparrow]

get swarmed and die

[barren zephyr]

juke them

[clever urchin]

Again, get surrounded.

[honest sparrow]

utah is still fairly weak, and wolves are designed for pack persistance hunting

[clever urchin]

Where you gonna go?

[barren zephyr]

Away from the wolves

[clever urchin]

You gonna jump over them?

[odd sedge]

@trim dock
I don't have anything against your suggestion itself, I just doubt there will be a need for it, since Ptera can easily grow to near sub without eating and drinking once

[clever urchin]

Cause Wolves can also jump

[honest sparrow]

ptera should be able to glide from birth, or at least subsist until juvi

[barren zephyr]

not as high as our utah

[clever urchin]

Again, when you get surrounded you have NOWHERE to go.

[trim dock]

i mean true

[odd sedge]

They can

[trim dock]

just an idea to avoid a possible future problem

[barren zephyr]

jump over them

[clever urchin]

Again, they can jump too

[barren zephyr]

Not as high

[clever urchin]

And if you run out of stam, you cant jump

You're dead

[odd sedge]

Still, the idea is not bad

[barren zephyr]

sounds like the utah is a bad player

he shouldn't have ran out of stamina to begin with

[clever urchin]

Doesnt have to be the case, maybe you'll have to run from a Carno player?

Again, having wolves I think ruins immersion

[trim dock]

yes

[clever urchin]

Plus, Doesn't has a good point

Utahs are weak unless they are fully grown

[honest sparrow]

you could just have the utah ai be utah ai, it just makes sense, don;t make them horde, hording is stupid and only leads to balancing problems

[clever urchin]

And you'd get annihilated until you get grown

[honest sparrow]

hypothetically they could get a full pack

[barren zephyr]

well then hide and juke the wolves

[honest sparrow]

but then again its ai, and if you don;t see or spot a utah pack in time as something that can get killed by them easily or just kill them

[barren zephyr]

well thats a you issue imo

[barren zephyr]

having wolves on something thenyaw makes sense

[honest sparrow]

aestehtically? sure

but it makes no sense

[trim dock]

i dont really see why we would need wolves in a game about dinosaurs and stuff

[honest sparrow]

why are there wolves in thenyaw, how did they get there, why aren;t they all dead yet, etc

[barren zephyr]

well they were there to begin with

easy

[clever urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/wheeze-laugh-gif-14359545

[honest sparrow]

why weren;t they wiped out when shit that can outcompete them easily was introduced

[clever urchin]

They would die in matter of minutes

[barren zephyr]

not if theres small caves for them to hide in, and maybe even burrows

[trim dock]

wolves would need prey items to survive on an item

[honest sparrow]

utahs and troodons literally fill any niche a wolf could fill

[barren zephyr]

well thats why rats/rabbits are there, I can see a wolf pack hunting a dyro to

[dire peak]

deploying

[trim dock]

i mean you do you man

[barren zephyr]

but they arent AI

[honest sparrow]

utah is planned ai, and in terms of lore, it makes no sense

[trim dock]

i still dont see a point for wolves

[barren zephyr]

Dinosaurs shouldnt be AI

[clever urchin]

Thats a you issue imo

[dire peak]

wolves on a small tropical island filled with huge theropods

Idk

[barren zephyr]

........and?

[trim dock]

seems like they might be out competed by all the dinos

[honest sparrow]

I owe you one

[dire peak]

[barren zephyr]

well thats why I said they could be thenyaw exclusive

[dire peak]

Im not sure why they would be needed though

[glad dirge]

Id rather have sneaky utah ai than wolves

[dire peak]

Something like invasive rats as small AI, perhaps

[honest sparrow]

monke and rat ai

[trim dock]

wolves dont seem like they would fit in with the rest of the game

[glad dirge]

To randomly introduce mammals, even on thenyaw, would push the need for other mammals as well

[trim dock]

i mean i can imagine rats kinda

[barren zephyr]

yeah, thats the point

[glad dirge]

And the idea is for everything to be more of a dinosaur, unnatural environment

[barren zephyr]

I want mammal AI to replace dino AI

[dire peak]

dino AI is fine though

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but I dont like dino AI

[dire peak]

ecspecially if its competent enough to kill human players

[glad dirge]

I could see birds being added, but straight up mammals... is ehhhh

[honest sparrow]

as a wise fish man once said "Cry about it"

[dire peak]

birds 💪

[barren zephyr]

I doubt it will be, but even if it is I still dont want it imo

[dire peak]

But why

[barren zephyr]

I dont like the concept of it

[trim dock]

how would mammal ai be any different

[dire peak]

wdym

[honest sparrow]

so you just don;t like ai because its ai

[barren zephyr]

I dont like the concept of dino AI

[trim dock]

im just a bit confused

[honest sparrow]

in a dinosaur game that was from the start

supposed to have dino ai

[barren zephyr]

Well we JUST got "true" dino AI

in the form of dyro

the others in legacy? Those are dogshit

not even real dinosaur AI

[honest sparrow]

actually good=/=true

there was a shitload of ai back when the isle was brand new

[barren zephyr]

Yeah thats why I said in legacy it was dogshit

its kinda unfair to compare it

[honest sparrow]

yeah

[barren zephyr]

Since legacy is shit

[honest sparrow]

but still

dino ai has always been around in a sense

and it is going to stay

[dire peak]

good AI will help sustaining servers in a way thats not boring or unfair, which legacy was with its spoon feeding AI

[barren zephyr]

But it shouldn't

mammal AI should replace it

[dire peak]

if mammal AI is rats and stuff why not both

[barren zephyr]

@marble lance theres a massive shallow river near center

Just go up river from center and you'll find it

Also, deino is meant to be weak outside of water

[marble lance]

oh ok

i know it is meant to be weak outside, but it gets bleeding from anything and it is just painful to play with bleeding

[barren zephyr]

It has bleed resistance already

So bleed doesnt really matter since you can go in water and heal in like 2 minutes

[marble lance]

when i played as deino it seemed that bleeding didn´t heal when inside water

i guess i´ll need to test it again

[barren zephyr]

yea

[marble lance]

what do you think about the nest spawn thing i talked about in the other chat?

[barren zephyr]

eh

makes it too easy

[marble lance]

even if it spawns with no food?

my point is mainly the realistic aspect of it

the food doesn´t matter that much

it´s just going to be weird to spawn out of nowhere when the nesting system comes in

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr that was confirmed it would be realistic colors and they’ll be putting more options so no bright neon pink

[paper oriole]

Wolves in the isle nothanks

Would honestly just be annoying and make no sense since large modern fauna would realistically be wiped out by the mass introduction of dinosaurs

Wouldn’t be cool seeing a wolf since it's like the most overrated modern animal anyway

[urban flax]

Wolves would pose a threat to literally nothing, the biggest thing they could take on would be a dryo
And it would take an entire wolf pack

They would just be good at running away since they're faster than any dino
So much for a predatory AI

And what would threaten something like a tenonto or bigger? The biggest modern predator we have is a bear, which would probably be two-shot from a tail slam

[paper oriole]

Wolves are so lame the isle would make them even lamer

[urban flax]

It's 50-50 against a Utah

[paper oriole]

Plus bears would be free food for mid tier or larger predators or pairs of smalls

[urban flax]

Not to say the Isle is a dinosaur game, hence the dino AIs running around the island

[paper oriole]

Only modern animals that make sense are birds, small reptiles/amphibians, fish and rodents

[urban flax]

Yes
Those that lived alongside dinos actually

[paper oriole]

Larger fauna would be wiped out so fast

Both in real life and ingame

[urban flax]

Isn't it surprising that the only animals that could survive dinos lived among them?

[normal shuttle]

Can I discuss here one idea I had randomly?

[paper oriole]

Yeah what a shocker

Go ahead

[urban flax]

They would be wiped in the game even more than in real life, in-game dinos are OP

[normal shuttle]

Alright

Battle themes(?)

Like, fight music

[paper oriole]

That could be tricky

[normal shuttle]

I had an idea for it

[urban flax]

The Isle soundtrack already has pretty epic battle music, the only problem wuld be to implement it

[paper oriole]

If it happened to soon it could ruin a preds hunt plus some may feel that it interrupts the spooky atmosphere

[urban flax]

It's funny because I thought of a way to implement it once

When an apex (trike/rex/spino/giga/shant) deals damage to another apex, it triggers battle music for everyone in the vicinity

[normal shuttle]

The idea was, when a Dino hits another one, a theme starts sounding for both. When they have been 1 minute without hitting each other, the music turns milder, if they get far and/or they have been more than 3 minutes without hitting each other, music stops

[urban flax]

I wouldn't like battle music for every dino fight though

Only apexes deserve it

But if there's ambience music, it should stop when you're fighting

maybe

[normal shuttle]

And mid tiers? I was thinking about different themes(3?) depending on size

[urban flax]

hmmm

But what music would play if a mid tier fights an apex ?

[normal shuttle]

For mid tier, apex theme

For apex, mid tier theme

[urban flax]

Or maybe we could even have music for strains only, since they're not meant to go unnoticed anyway

[normal shuttle]

The enemy’s theme

[urban flax]

makes sens

[paper oriole]

Battle music for strains makes the most sense, especially hypers since theyre already gonna be loud and destructive

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

I agree

Battle themes for strains could be quite cool

[paper oriole]

https://youtu.be/GJC1MZ8XxQM

[normal shuttle]

I just heard the Isle OST

Noice

[paper oriole]

A lot of good soundtracks that are currently unused

[normal shuttle]

True

Maybe they could reuse some of them in evrima?

[urban flax]

[paper oriole]

Or even make more yeah

[urban flax]

I hope music will be coming back at some point

[normal shuttle]

At least the day hour ones? Like evening, morning...

[paper oriole]

I liked the morning theme

[normal shuttle]

Yeah

It was like: “aaah a beautiful day begins”

[paper oriole]

https://youtu.be/teQWjgAnYQc

So peaceful and deceptive

[urban flax]

And then you die to one utah

[normal shuttle]

Lol

Well, maybe I could try making a suggestion about this tomorrow

[urban flax]

@mighty crater Hypsi spit's projectile is instant

Although particles linger, the hitbox itself is a hitscan

[normal shuttle]

Yeah, and welp, it is a spit, not a gunshot

I think it is fine

[mighty crater]

It looks like that effect from ps2 Era games

[urban flax]

Oh ys it absolutely doesn't look good

[paper oriole]

Could have better aiming so it can actually be reliably used in self defense rather than just a troll tool though

[normal shuttle]

True

[urban flax]

Hypsi will just need to be redone at some point

[normal shuttle]

I only use it to troll

[urban flax]

Or stay as a meme animal forever

[paper oriole]

Same