general-feedback-discussion

[trim dock]

thank god

[mellow maple]

About paleontology

[vestal rune]

but here's the issue, game mechanics influence how people play the game. Let's say a new player gets the game for the first time and joins an unofficial server(probably because officials are fulled), they play and see that they're a global chat function. They now get the idea that the game is some sort of social good-time game, in direct contrast to the survival-horror game it is. This will cause issues later on, when they lean more into that genre and that new player will feel like they've been misadvertised

[elder rivet]

i remember a video of just how dumb it would become, hold on a sec

[tawny juniper]

Anyone who has done any research on what they are buying does not think this

[vestal rune]

I'm ok with rules because with rules IT IS PAINFULLY CLEAR that it's an alteration to the game

[vestal rune]

there are multiple people in this channel who think this. have you seen the sheer volume of people who complain about humans being added, despite being planned from the beggining and being apparant on the store page?

[mint urchin]

Wait I changed my keyboard to Korean layout and I forgot how to change it back

[trim dock]

oh my

[mint urchin]

@mellow maple Depends on the article?

[mellow maple]

A paper that covers the possible gregariousness of Tyrannosauridae. Mostly from Teratophoneus

[trim dock]

very cool

[mellow maple]

It's not a book with plot but it has information n all

[burnt bone]

generally people in those servers are kind. If the person was confused about what was happening, they would likely ask and someone would answer. this would lead them to realize that the game has a nice community and would join a realism server

[mellow maple]

the last book series i read was the warrior cats series.

[tawny juniper]

There's a difference between disliking a feature that they know will be added and mistakening the game genre for something else

[mellow maple]

A while ago

[trim dock]

haha i never read books

[elder rivet]

Can't find it, but in a nutshell, it was a group of ceras going against a dibble and a utah, then they started buying rexes, grows, tps, and spinos to kill the duo

[trim dock]

i think i remember watching something about that

[vestal rune]

I think you completely missed the point, them thinking that the people in this game are nice and will coddle them also goes against the point of the game

[trim dock]

it just kinda ruins the whole survival aspect when you can just buy one

i mean sometimes it seems nice to not have to grow it but still

[mint urchin]

I'd recommend Skulduggery Pleasant by Derek Landy. Though it's got a tonne in the series. Think I have 12 books?

[mellow maple]

Niceee

[vestal rune]

I mean, the genre isn't painfully clear at the moment ingame, and people may not pay attention to the tags. The removal of global chat is actually one of the things that highlight the genre

[mellow maple]

well I guess I already gave my input on the global chat feedback

[trim dock]

i hated global chat in unofficial servers sometimes cause sometimes people would bitch about rulebreaking or something

[tawny juniper]

The chat system highlights a dinosaur survival game

[elder rivet]

https://youtu.be/7jtI8xiLRFY found it, the intro sums it up a lot

[vestal rune]

once mods are added global chat will return, so it isn't a huge issue in the long term

[mint urchin]

Also, has anyone noticed that schooling fish gives basically no food to baby Deinosuchus?

[vestal rune]

what? no it doesn't? it highlights a social sim

[trim dock]

like one second its a cool fight and the next they start complaining that we broke a rule

[burnt bone]

having a nice community is very different from a cuddly game. I meant it in the sense that they will realize that the people playing the game are nice to other players in conversation. However, they will still act like predators in the game

well I gtg tho, it was fun arguing and seeing everyone's opinions on the topic

[trim dock]

yeah seeing different opinions and stuff here is actually pretty fun

cause i get to change my perspective

[vestal rune]

oh well cya

[trim dock]

yeah cya

[burnt bone]

yeah it allowed me to realize why they removed it in the first place

cya

[trim dock]

samee

[obsidian pelican]

Thanks

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune the problem is A) Will mods reappear in the isle because I have a feel they might not and B) it's gonna take a long time for that to happen, re adding global and making it optional to server owners wouldn't take long at all, it would take a day or two to add.

[vestal rune]

mods are planned, also this is an early access game, you should expect waiting

I've been waiting for a desync fix for a fucking year at this point

you can play the game fine without global

[delicate tulip]

It's not about playing the game just fine, global makes the game more enjoyable by actually being able to talk to all groups of people in the game

[swift dew]

the game isnt supposed to be a chatroom, why can't people get this across their head. if you want to talk to different people go to a chatroom

[vestal rune]

if you're only way to enjoy the game is global then there's either something wrong with how you play or the game itself(that isn't global chat)

[delicate tulip]

And if you find it more enjoyable with it off then fine but there are plenty of good reasons to have it and at the very least it should be an option for server owners

Question to you both, do you prefer community servers or Officials?

[swift dew]

the only good thing about global is contact with admins, which is perfectly addressed in borks idea

[vestal rune]

there's literally 0 reason to add global a part from administration, but they're gonna add extra tools for that

if you wanna talk to your community, go on discord

[storm vigil]

There is zero reason that global can’t be added as an OPTION for private servers that want it

[delicate tulip]

No good reason for you two perhaps but for plenty of other people it's a different story, still tho, answer my question

[swift dew]

depends, on legacy community servers because I would rather not bump into rexes and gigas every 5 steps I take. and I havn't played much evrima but from the amount I have played from the stress test I love how global is gone

[vestal rune]

yes there is, global chat fundamentally goes against the point of this game

[delicate tulip]

@storm vigil exactly, that's literally all I'm saying to them, what's wrong with it being an option

[storm vigil]

lmao

[vestal rune]

I play on officials mostly if you must know, but I go on certain unofficial servers if I want to test things

[worn pumice]

i try n play on no mix packing servers cuz mix packing is actually terrible

i could care less about kosing but mix packing is just aids

[vestal rune]

I wrote a whole extract on why global shouldn't be in the game before, but the devs are creating a game, you shouldn't be able to just change that at your whim without mods

that's fair enough happy, I hate mix packing too

I play on officials though because I can get extra feedback from how players operate when there's 0 rules

[worn pumice]

apart from that tho i could care less about other rules

[delicate tulip]

Okay so it's Officials that you prefer, so then I ask you, why are you so bothered by global being an option? Because its obvious that global would be turned off in Officials so it literally wouldn't affect you in any way shape or form lmao

[vestal rune]

because it gives people the idea that this is some sort of social sim, and when the devs do something that goes against that, everyone complains because they have the totally wrong idea about this game

[kind parrot]

A game with differing dinos that kill each other is far from a 'social sim' never once did I think a game about growing and surviving as a dino as a social sim.

[swift dew]

tell that to great falls herbi mains

[vestal rune]

ok, so then you should have no reason to complain that global chat has been removed

because the only thing global chat did was allow this game to be a social sim

[worn pumice]

tell this to massive mega herds in general at GF or hidden

[kind parrot]

I love that its been removed. I've been hoping it would be for ages.

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune servers are going to make the game their own with rules that go against what the devs want and don't even get me started on modding lol, so server owners already are able to turn the game into something it's not so again, whats the problem with adding something else that will do that?

[vestal rune]

ye same

[vestal rune]

modding is not the same as adding an in-built feature that goes against the point of the game

modding makes it perfectly clear that this is an alteration, rules make it perfectly clear that this is an alteration, an ingame feature doesn't

[kind parrot]

The only thing I have issue with is I wish join groupo wasn't the 2 call, as you could just be trying to show your not a threat and bam party spam invite.

[swift dew]

even with server options, they can't change the game that much. I mean, sure group limits might be able to be changed. but your getting a very similar experience where ever you play (untill crap servers add rules)

[vestal rune]

reminds me of no-alt turn, people thought the game was unbalanced(which it was even with alt turn but still) because they played on these servers that fundamentally broke the game, and it was an ingame feature

[delicate tulip]

If that feature is OPTIONAL, it also is technically an alternation

[vestal rune]

yes, an alteration that goes against the point of the game, and does not make it clear that it does to newer players

there is actually harm in adding global chat even as an option, and no benefit to doing so(a part from adminstration but once again they're gonna have fixes for that)

[swift dew]

yes, but it fundamentally broke the game, because now certain dinosaurs that were strong are now weak, and dinosaurs that were weak utahraptor are now the most op thing in the game

[delicate tulip]

Those newer players will figure that out and then can decide for themselves what they prefer

[vestal rune]

ye then they'll get comfortable in there little social sim servers, and cry when the devs add something that goes against it

[cyan flame]

Well that's just wrong.

[sour fossil]

That argument could be made the other way round aswell though

[swift dew]

what makes it wrong, explain

[vestal rune]

plus once again, global chat will be added once modding is reimplemented, so it's a nought issue anyway

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune and those servers you had the choice on whether or not you played on them, people enjoyed them and others didn't, those who didn't enjoy it went to servers that allowed alt-turn, this is the same

[cyan flame]

From what I know, server options will include choosing ai/no ai/specific ai, playables, factions. You can have a tribal only server, merc only, herbi or carni only. Ai/no ai, only one kind of ai. Only one kind of playable even.

[vestal rune]

ye but you missed the part where people complained because there was issues with those options, people are doing the same now

[cyan flame]

That does not sound like "similar experience" to me at least

[vestal rune]

and there's still 0 benefit to adding global chat

[vestal rune]

but all of those are still the essence of the core game, just focusing on different parts of it. global chat goes directly against the essence of the game

[swift dew]

but... but... I have made so many friends in global chat... you... YOU CANT TAKE IT AWAY

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune to you there isn't, again JUST LET SERVER OWNER DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR SERVERS

[cyan flame]

No, that can not be said to be the "core" if I can play on a server where there's nothing but dryos.

[vestal rune]

they can do whatever they want with their servers(a part from like being P2W or something), but they shouldn't be able to do anything to the game

[swift dew]

all of these still make the game survival horror, compared to global chat which makes the game go from survival horror, to a chatroom

[cyan flame]

That server would be a very far cry from what the official server would be. And would not give the same experience at all.

[cyan flame]

Right, a server with nothing but dryos makes survival horror?

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune okay then mods shouldn't be allowed then if they aren't allowed to do "anything"

[swift dew]

dryos are fucking terrifying

[cyan flame]

Yeah no

Fine, replace with hypsi, or what have you. Or a merc vs merc only.

[vestal rune]

mods are literally ways of modifying the game to your needs, but server owners shouldn't be able to change the base game in such a negative way

[cyan flame]

That's not survival horror, thats an fps in a fancy setting :p

[swift dew]

👆

[vestal rune]

well I agree hypsi only would be stupid(but tbh this would probs be clear), merc vs merc has still got the essence of the game

[cyan flame]

No it does not.

[vestal rune]

yes it does

it's just focusing on the human side, it's fine

[cyan flame]

In no way does a merc fps have the same essence as survival horror

[delicate tulip]

How is a fucking option for allowing people to talk to each other ingame more negative than modding the game? Dear god

[swift dew]

I would allow global chat in sandbox servers only, since they are sandbox

[delicate tulip]

Btw I don't believe modding is negative to the game either

[vestal rune]

I want global chat AS a mod?

[cyan flame]

Agree to disagree I guess. I think allowing those server options are far more enabling of a different experience than having a global chat. You clearly think the other way around, that's fine too.

[vestal rune]

I mean you'll be able to just mod those things in the future anyway

[swift dew]

neither is more negative than the other. he never said one was more negative. Its just something that would change the core of the game so much, should not be a server option, but only as a mod. and personally I don't think single dino, or human only servers should exist

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune which is no different to it being a built in option at the end of the day, server owners will bring the mod into their servers and we'll have global in survival servers so they might as well just add it to the game itself

[storm vigil]

“Global chat should be removed, it changes the game experience!”

“It’s okay, mods will allow changes to the game!”

Firefish, pick a stance

[cyan flame]

it's literally just a matter of "should not be in base game cause x reason". Which is fair enough, even if I think it's a very strange way of looking at it. Especially with all those other options coming (unless they change their minds of course).

[vestal rune]

the stance is simple, global chat as an ingame option suggests that a social sim is an intended way of playing, modding is perfectly clear that it's changing what the game is meant to be

[storm vigil]

I’m not sure why you’re so hung up on people communicating to sort out groups and play together. It’s fun to play with friends.

[cyan flame]

I do think you're being a bit extreme in seeing it as a social sim because of a chat honestly. But even so, a social sim is one way the game could be. Just like having mercs only is one way. That's the thing. You make a distinction between them, I do not.

[swift dew]

im also not seeing any pro-global chat people giving any good reasons, just saying that our reasons our bad. so what is good about global chat exactly?

[vestal rune]

you can still talk with your friends? local chat is still a thing

[delicate tulip]

@swift dew and again I go back to the fact that it's an option that won't affect you, fire or any Official players because it will be turned off, you'll have your hardcore version of the game, community servers meanwhile can have their more social version of the game, literally no one loses

[storm vigil]

Finding groups, organizing herds, and communicating during events like tournaments.

[vestal rune]

ye, but as soon as the devs add something that goes against the social sim aspect of the game, people start complaining, which then does affect me and the devs

[cyan flame]

Didn't I give you a reason way back when? Oh well.

Makes the world somewhat more alive because people are actually talking in game and making noises, vs everyone being on discord.

Makes it so people can play how they want easier (from mixpacking to no rules at all), for unofficial servers, wich they have stated they want server options for anyway.

And allows for people to get help and stuff in game easier, vs asking around on a sometimes unforgiving discord or just having no clue what they're doing.

And officials are the intended experience, unofficials are not, they can range from all out deathmatch to birdbath sim, all acceptable because they're unofficial and thus do not represent the Isles intended vision.

[vestal rune]

all of this can be done in discord

[cyan flame]

There then.

[storm vigil]

I would prefer it be in global chat so that people are F calling. The game is way more Alive with the F calls of chatting, unaware dinos. Don’t forget that was the penalty for chatting too much.

[vestal rune]

1. on official servers there is constant noise, too much actually. 2 and 3 can both be done in discord, and imo unofficials shouldn't be able to just casually alter the base of the game without modding

[vestal rune]

you can still local chat, plus the game feels alive enough

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune what would be added that would do that?

[cyan flame]

I do not personally think a third party program should be required, that is just bad design to me. And well, I would both agree and disagree on the first one. At times it's noisy, at other times it's quiet. But that could be more down to hotspots than anything else (which I dislike). And I guess we just disagree on how unofficials should be treated. What I do know is that they want those server options I mentioned earlier, and if that's fine, I really can't see global chat being worse. Clearly we disagree on that, which is fine by me, and hopefully by you too!

[storm vigil]

Local chat is completely different from global and I would appreciate it if you stop comparing the two.

[elder rivet]

but really, you can still speak in local and it will create noise

[vestal rune]

stuff that forces you to be active and not sit around chatting perhaps?

[delicate tulip]

Also you two have failed to take into account the option to disable humans/tibals, both are going to be core parts of how the game is played, the way the devs intended the game to be played so if server owners can toggle them on/off then doesn't that mess with the game?

[cyan flame]

@vestal rune Also, let's make one thing clear. I personally do not care for global chat, or group chat. I am a fan of the changes, and thinks it does make the game better. I am also however a fan of allowing all sorts of options, so that the Isle can be tailored to be "the dinosaur game", giving everyone an experience they want. Be that by modding or by built in things in the game, does not matter to me, though I personally think the more you can do in game, the better, since the game should provide as much possibility for options as possible.

[vestal rune]

yes but these are just focusing on different parts of the game, whereas global chat goes directly against the point of the game

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune diets, perks etc won't cause that

[elder rivet]

disabling humans and tribals still lets it be a horror survival

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune humans/tribals are apart of the point of them game

[cyan flame]

Not really.

[delicate tulip]

^^

[elder rivet]

yes it does

[cyan flame]

No.

[elder rivet]

then explain

[vestal rune]

removing them doesn't ruin the game

[lusty agate]

If global chat cannot be a thing I do not see why group chat cannot?

[cyan flame]

You're removing parts that would make the actual horror

Which is the humans

[lusty agate]

Along with a more refine grouping system.

[cyan flame]

Remove them, you remove a lot of the horror

[vestal rune]

I mean that's the thing, global will be added as a mod in the future anyway, idk why everyone is butthurt

[cyan flame]

Punch said so, the humans are where they want to shine as a horror game.

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune oh but it might for some, just like an option for global apparently ruins it for you

[vestal rune]

it was silly being able to chat across the map without anyone understanding, it gave too much of an advantage to grouping

[vestal rune]

global doesn't "ruin it for me" it ruins the point of the game

[storm vigil]

Dude, you’ve been sitting here saying you don’t want it available as an option. That’s all we want. The OPTION. Mod or not is just details. Pick a side or stop messing with people.

[barren zephyr]

Global doesn't really make a game a social sim, it's still a game.. but yknow you can talk to other players

[lusty agate]

Then make poximity group chat and that fixes the problem

[delicate tulip]

@storm vigil THIS

[lusty agate]

If you can't see their nametage, you can't chat to them

[vestal rune]

ye I want it to be a mod, people can turn the game into a battle royale for what I care but the devs shouldn't make that a base option

[elder rivet]

no you're not, you'll still be hunted and will still worry about night time and other dinosaurs without being a human

[cyan flame]

@elder rivet At least that's how I've understood it. So if you do remove humans, you are actually removing a big part of what will give the horror experience. And if you remove tribals, I'm sure that'll be a big part as well. Just as you can have a herbi only server, and chill while eating bushes. Not much survival or horror there really, or at least I can't see much of it. I hope it makes some sense to you how I see it at least.

[storm vigil]

Battle Royales don’t have global chat, are you trolling?

[cyan flame]

Yes, but that does not add horror.

We're not currently having much of a horror game, are we

[vestal rune]

I was exaggerating the point about mods changing the game

[storm vigil]

geeeeeze dude

[cyan flame]

And even so, again, you can have a server of hypsis only.

[lusty agate]

If we're getting to the point where mods are the only thing that make a majority of the community happy I may as well go play games like BoB and PoT

[vestal rune]

like in the same way turning global chat goes against the point of the game, so does turning it into a battle royale(obviously WAYYYYYY MORE because it's an exaggeration)

[cyan flame]

Or mercs only, with no dinosaurs at all. Where you're basically just doing fancy fps with loot drops :p

[barren zephyr]

Most if not all survival games I've played add to the multiplayer aspect of the game. For those that don't like it can also just turn it off, in those games. It has never ruined the experience, if anything it helped me learn more about the game.

Personal experiences ^

[vestal rune]

if the base game isn't for you then sure?

[storm vigil]

BoB and PoT are both successful with global, which is part of the reason it’s frustrating to see it not offered as an option here

[vestal rune]

the isle is a VERY different game from BoB and PoT

[lusty agate]

Yeah, what if there are admins that just want to have a chill server?

[delicate tulip]

Okay I'm done arguing, the fact that an option for servers you don't even play on scares you guys so much is hilariously stupid to me

[elder rivet]

because you don't have to risk being spotted because the best way to grow currently is sitting in a bush for 2 hours straight, and still, there aren't any nocturnal predators in the game

[storm vigil]

Not really.

[barren zephyr]

Y e s

[storm vigil]

For real.

[vestal rune]

I just don't think the devs should bother readding global chat, it'll just be modded in anyway

[lusty agate]

Like, yes, TI is supposed to be a "horror survival" game, but you can have that on the officials

[barren zephyr]

The entire point of unofficial servers are for people to make their own playstyles and rules and whatnot. That has, and always will be the point of community hosted servers

[cyan flame]

There were in legacy though. Still not horror to me. But then maybe that's cause I plan out my actions more than most :p

[storm vigil]

That is not how mods work

[lusty agate]

If you don't like the way private servers play, then just play on official

[cyan flame]

And even so, there would be more options.

[vestal rune]

how is that not how mods work?

[cyan flame]

Can you really say a server of only hypsis is horror survival? :p I mean, I guess it could if everyone played as if they had rabies but.. :p

[barren zephyr]

Different playstyles make for different experiences

[elder rivet]

PoT is more of a dino-themed rpg, BoB is focused waaay more on PVP and mechanics themselves, and TI is a survival horror

[vestal rune]

BoB is like an arcade game, ofc it's gonna have a global chat lmao

all those differing playstyles can be added once mods are implemented

[lusty agate]

Global chat SHOULD be an option for private servers. If you want to play "horror survival" you can play official

If modding ever gets added

Doubtful it will seeing how slow production is

[vestal rune]

modding will get added lmao

they confirmed it

if you want to play a social sim then you can just mod that in

[lusty agate]

Or it can be added as a server option

[swift dew]

but the devs dont want to make a social sim, they want to make a survival game

[vestal rune]

ye but why should the devs do that if people can just mod that in

[lusty agate]

You aren't forced to play on the private servers

[vestal rune]

you aren't forced to play the vanilla game

[lusty agate]

We are currently

[storm vigil]

Is the Isle not intending to be focused on PvP and mechanics? They have similar goals to BoB.

[vestal rune]

yes because it's an early access title

[storm vigil]

Isle just has the horror aspect

[rustic zenith]

If mod's is what make's the game good why does anyone make game's in the first place lol. You can make a poop game and the people can fix it for you. easy money lol

[vestal rune]

mods won't make the game good, mods will just allow all the dino stoners to be able to create the social sim they want

[storm vigil]

Oh no, people having fun

[cyan flame]

You do realize it does not become a social sim just because of a global chat, right? :p

[lusty agate]

Why not just have that as a server option then? I'm sure most servers will turn it off lmao

[swift dew]

if a mod for global chat is what is going to make a game good you seriously need to rethink what a good game is.

[vestal rune]

I'm exaggerating a bit, but it's just a general point on the atmosphere and practices global chat creates

[cyan flame]

As if the chat suddenly removes the rest of the game and content

[rustic zenith]

deep rock all I need to say lol

[cyan flame]

Alright, it just sounded a little off to me. But fair enough, can't disagree with using exaggerations if neccesary, even if they shouldn't be needed really :p

[delicate tulip]

Guys, stop arguing with them, you'll never get through those thick skulls

[vestal rune]

I've never played deep rock, but isn't that like a coop defence game where communication is literally integral to the game?

[rustic zenith]

yup

[rustic zenith]

it's more like helldivers meets minecraft but 100% better

[vestal rune]

I mean I'm less exaggerating for a point and more exaggerating so I can say "social sim" and not have to say "creating an atmosphere where people rely on talking for enjoyment rather than playing the game a long with partaking in toxic practices" every time

[cyan flame]

Problem is that the reason for that, was because of lack of game play, not existing chat.

[storm vigil]

People have explained to you multiple times why global chat can be useful for private servers and events. It’s a sign of disrespect to continuously ignore it.

[cyan flame]

Add diets, perks, all that shit, and global will not suddenly make everyone stop playing, because now there's a game to play.

[vestal rune]

have they? everything global chat could do can be done by discord

[vestal rune]

you think that, but that won't be the case

[lusty agate]

Why do we need to use an app to comminicate?

There are a lot of players I have met that do not have discord

[rustic zenith]

sounds like nintendo o.o

[vestal rune]

you can communicate ingame, local chat

[cyan flame]

Do you have any arguments for that, because from what I can see, it seems accurate enough.

[lusty agate]

No you can't

Maybe with your own species but otherwise no

[vestal rune]

people will either find a way to circumvent the new systems so they can keep sitting around chatting, or just complain if they can't

[ruby cipher]

The devs want one thing but most of us want the other. Not a lot of us want global gone. We still want that social aspect

[lusty agate]

What is wrong with people wanting to chat?

[cyan flame]

Well if they complain, so let them. And yes, no doubt people will get around, but they will do so with chat or no chat, so that's not an argument for the chat itself.

[vestal rune]

this isn't a social sim

[ruby cipher]

It’s just a game

[cyan flame]

You're basically saying that the chat causes the "afk sim", when it's the lack of gameplay that does it. And would do so no matter if there's a chat or not.

[lusty agate]

I know it isn't, but what if they do on the private servers?

[ruby cipher]

Doesn’t matter if it’s survival or not. You still have to survive for food and stuff

[cyan flame]

If anything, global makes it so people can enjoy the "lack" of a game, without commiting to deathmatch, which is the other version of playing we have right now.

[lusty agate]

Like, you can go and play officials if you don't like being chill can you not?

[ruby cipher]

Chatting just makes the game better in my opinion

[vestal rune]

no I was saying that people use this game just to have a dino on the screen and chat, not be an afk sim

[cyan flame]

So it's either deathmatch or birdbath really.

[vestal rune]

you can go add a mod to your server if you want to chill

[lusty agate]

How the fuck do I even do that?

[cyan flame]

Which I'm claiming they won't do when there's things to do with the dino, beyond just sitting around or commiting wholesale slaugther.

[vestal rune]

once modding is implemented you'll be able to

[lusty agate]

Y e a h, b u t h o w ?

[vestal rune]

dude they certainly will, it's the type of people global chat attracts

[lusty agate]

I know jack shit about modding on steam

[vestal rune]

it will probably just be implemented into the steam workshop like it was before

[rustic zenith]

Ok all this does is effect official server's. You don't want the chat? go there but people who have there own server's can do what they want and have global chat.

[vestal rune]

ye they can mod global chat in if they want to

[cyan flame]

Fine. Guess we're disagreeing on this too. I mean nothing bad, but I do honestly believe you're wrong there, from all my experience most people do want things to do, and the whole sitting around is a result of lack of things to do, not because they can say hi to the guy next to them. But I could obviously be wrong. I guess we might find out when global is back, however that may happen. :p

And really, if modding was a thing as of right now, problem would be solved

[vestal rune]

certainly the incompleteness of the game adds to it, but from my experience a good chunk of the playerbase do just want to sit around an chat

[rustic zenith]

This game has been in the works from the time merica was founded...and it's still being working to this day. They can't have mods now bc the game is not even done lol

[cyan flame]

So maybe if they somehow make that work very soon it would be fine

[vestal rune]

ye sure, but they'll be added eventually

[lusty agate]

Keyword; eventually

[rustic zenith]

eventually...not now

[cyan flame]

Fair enough. It's very possible that we've just been on different servers and with different groups. Goes to show that there are all sorts, if nothing else :p

[vestal rune]

yes, it's an early access title

if you have a problem with the game being incomplete then leave and play later

[lusty agate]

Why not just add it as a option for now then take it away when they're ready for mods?

[vestal rune]

because the devs would then have to deal with global chat being a part of their game and have to deal with its issues

[rustic zenith]

How about we just remove everything people love in the game lol

[lusty agate]

They could have it off on the officials servers though, because I said "as an option"

[vestal rune]

yes but it's still part of the game and they'll have to deal with it

[lusty agate]

Like, if TI is going for a "horror survival" may as well take away even local chat

Because no chat, no safety

[vestal rune]

I actually want to see that happen just as a test, and kinda wanna try out servers with no local chat

but nah, local chat is important for communication

[lusty agate]

No it isn't

You can do calls

[vestal rune]

ye true

[rustic zenith]

official servers

[lusty agate]

And just use discord and other shit like that

[vestal rune]

that's why I wanna try out the game with no local chat just to see how it would affect things

[vestal rune]

officials still have local chat

[cyan flame]

Yes please, can we try it out? I've successfully already played with and defended against predators with randoms with nothing but calls.

So it's doable, if with some effort.

[rustic zenith]

They way your going they will take it out lol

[lusty agate]

Another thing that could replace global is "proximity global" where you can only chat with other creatures within your area

I could imagine that be useful for herds

[vestal rune]

nah, devs want to add more to local chat, they're gonna have different ranges

[cyan flame]

I think they're adding that, but only for your own species. But you wil get whisper, normal, and shout ranges for local chat.

[storm vigil]

BoB has something like this and it is useful because herds can organize going to food together

[rustic zenith]

yup

[vestal rune]

don't compare the isle to BoB, they are going for quite different things

[cyan flame]

So you can still plan on being cannibals, but you have to actually huddle up nearby and plan it out :p

[storm vigil]

I will compare whatever I like.

[vestal rune]

ok me too

[storm vigil]

Great.

[lusty agate]

It isn't so much as a comparison to the games gameplay, more of the way the chats are used

[vestal rune]

we should not have global at all because the last of us has no global chat and that game is fine without it

[safe galleon]

me preparing to compare your opinion with trash 😎

[storm vigil]

I’m blocking this guy he’s just trolling and it’s getting annoying

[vestal rune]

jeeze I was just making a point about how games are different and require different mechanics

[lusty agate]

Herbivores should have the ability to talk to other creatures at least

[rustic zenith]

at this point yeah he is

[vestal rune]

I don't see how I'm trolling lmao

[lusty agate]

Because most herbivores even irl communicate with eachother

[safe galleon]

he really isn't tho

[cyan flame]

Eh.. not a fan of mixherding honestly..

[vestal rune]

just because I don't have your opinion doesn't mean I'm trolling

[cyan flame]

And you can communicate well enough with calls

[lusty agate]

If you aren't; Official

[vestal rune]

like I was being a bit silly just now but that's to exaggerate a point

[lusty agate]

More people would likely play herbivore if it was added

Otherwise from what I see it's mostly just carnivores

[safe galleon]

@rare flume you can use #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[cyan flame]

Carnis are cooler.. unfortunately :p

[vestal rune]

diets will make people play herbis more, plus I've seen plenty of herbis even now

[rare flume]

mannnnn i gotta fill out a form shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii @safe galleon

[rustic zenith]

Ok so let's make it if you want it on good want it off good everyone one win's. "but they will have to do more work" yes...that's what you do..you know? Work on a game so it..works o.o

[safe galleon]

[vestal rune]

ok but why should they work on something that won't improve the base game if people can just mod it in anyway?

what should they add a battle royale mode because people would enjoy that too?

[rustic zenith]

You don't use mods to patch your game...

[vestal rune]

yes but global chat isn't a part of the game, so it can be modded in

[lusty agate]

Mods are only good for that version of the game it was made for though correct?

[languid axle]

@tawny juniper yes exactly why i said only you would ever see it permently on everyone else would see normal masking

[lusty agate]

You can't go back a version on TI

[vestal rune]

I imagine it would be piss easy to update a global mod to newer versions

[cyan flame]

I do think they should add sandbox as soon as possible to be honest :p

[rustic zenith]

It's been in the game for years...you don't just take something away bc "me big dev we do what we want"...

[lusty agate]

Why don't TI devs make the mod then?

[vestal rune]

many things that have been in the game for years have gotten removed, the devs realise they're bad things and don't want to deal with them anyway

[vestal rune]

maybe they should, but I'm sure people will be able to make the mod

[lusty agate]

It wont be a part of the game but it will be an addon made BY the devs

[rustic zenith]

Ok then they make a poll.

[vestal rune]

no, no polls, they did that in the past and it was awful

[languid axle]

@urban flax im sorry and who are you to say whats relevent or necessary this is a feedback channel so we can post our own ideas/suggestions and in its actual state you do know they are remaking the game right ? so yes its not great but they are doing a great job

[vestal rune]

most of the community don't want what's best for the game

[rustic zenith]

No no no it's happening. People vote to see if it stays or goes

[vestal rune]

the devs aren't just gonna follow the hive's opinion

[rustic zenith]

Then the game die's

[vestal rune]

no

[lusty agate]

Yeah

[rustic zenith]

yeah...look at bob

[vestal rune]

the game will be fine, if people who want a different game leave then that's fine

if you don 't want the isle, don't play the isle, simple

[molten tulip]

people would just request costly as hell borderline impossible features to implement and then get angry when devs tell them no

Not a good idea

[lusty agate]

It won't be a social simulator because global chat is added, if you look at legacy, they've done pretty well with both global

[vestal rune]

ye not to sound rude but most of the community isn't the smartest

[vestal rune]

I definitely recall global chat servers being basically social sims

[lusty agate]

Not necessarily

[rustic zenith]

Oh so your the big brain then?

[carmine path]

I am so confused on who is arguing

[lusty agate]

Most of the time I feel it was mixed herds on private servers communicating

[vestal rune]

don't take it the wrong way

also I probably should have added on "isn't the smartest in what's best for the game"

I don't think they're stupid, I just don't think they quite understand the big picture of what the game needs

[cyan flame]

To be fair, thats not a given what the game needs

[molten tulip]

The devs see the game as the code, animations, hardware, time, paychecks, functions, systems and time that makes each feature feasible. The community just sees a big red "put it in the game" button they think the devs can just press

[cyan flame]

See all the changes we've gone through, it's not a simple thing to figure out, even for the people making the game

[lusty agate]

There are times I want to hang out and talk with other species, The Zoo no rules server was doing great, there were still people fighting, yes there was a lot of sitting around and talking, but I enjoyed being able to hold a good convo

[carmine path]

I believe firefish means this. This game was meant to be a survival and horror game not some game were we sit around and socialize and pretend nothing is going on, getting rid of this early on lets the realist stay and the 'socialist' if you will carry on and decide if they wanna stay

[lusty agate]

Most of the pricks in local chat are out to kill you, specifically if you're a juvenile carno, Utah and deino

[vestal rune]

ye, and if they want to modify what the game is they can just wait for mods

[carmine path]

Part of the game...

[rustic zenith]

I mean look what happen in ark...There is a mod that added canoes are a thing. Guess what in the new map? I will give you one guess lol

[carmine path]

ark is a money grabbing game and that is irrelevent

[vestal rune]

canoes? I mean sometimes good mods can inspire things in the game

plenty of examples of that happening, but global chat won't be one of them

[rustic zenith]

It's is relevant just not to you

[molten tulip]

Ark also has car mods

[carmine path]

it is irrelevant to feedback.

[lusty agate]

Well, if they're saying we need to "mod" the chats in then they should add modding in the next update

[vestal rune]

I kinda can't wait for modding so we can test some of the wilder ideas for the game, which could either be great or could be awful. One example is different dinos having differing saturation to represent different eyes, and Q allowing you to see normally

[rustic zenith]

yup

[vestal rune]

modding probs won't be added for a while, that's fine

[rustic zenith]

Or let's add mods now so the people can fix the game...crazy o.o

[carmine path]

best wait for the UI updates to see

[lusty agate]

Like you said, it would be piss easy to update mods

[cyan flame]

@vestal rune The hell did you hear that idea? :p

[vestal rune]

btw I may have came across wrong, what I mean by "mods" is "mod support", the devs could probs add their own mods easily, but adding mod support would be more difficult

[vestal rune]

dondi said it on his stream, I kinda like the idea but really want to test it out to see if it would actually work on the game

[arctic aurora]

@olive sky as babies you don't have much stam but full grown it's fine

[cyan flame]

Oh.. wait, is this the rex "movement only" vision and stuff as well?

Cause that I recall

[carmine path]

that's news to me?

[arctic aurora]

The rex had binocular vision and depth perception so the movement only thing isn't true

[carmine path]

are you saying rex is gonna be some blind ass bat?

[cyan flame]

I know. But this is a JP inspired game.

[arctic aurora]

True

[cyan flame]

I am saying that Dondi was considering going JP for the rex

[vestal rune]

I doubt he'd add that, he just wanted different saturations, so your dino may be colourblind

[cyan flame]

I think he was talked down from that idea :p

[carmine path]

If he goes that way with rex ima have a damn stroke

[cyan flame]

But it was mentioned once on a stream

[arctic aurora]

Same

[tawny juniper]

The point of it isn't to look cool

[rustic zenith]

I thought dondi was put in a corner bc he was hurting the game o.o

[olive sky]

There needs to be a way to find friends faster cause holly shit it's hard and annoying.

[arctic aurora]

anyone here know how to fix the bug where z doesn't work for landing on the pteras?

[vestal rune]

the only way he was hurting the game was his PR, he just no longer interacts with the community anymore, he's still very actively working on the game

[vestal rune]

go into the water and come out again

[tawny juniper]

Just crash into a tree ig

[vestal rune]

coords

[paper oriole]

Why is it so hard for some people to manage ptera stam smh

[arctic aurora]

I can still land but it's tricky not to crash

[languid axle]

@tawny juniper and your counter argument is not really a counter

[vestal rune]

ye you can fly for fucking ages with ptera, idk why people say ptera's stam is bad

[cyan flame]

@arctic aurora Has it worked before and just gotten locked? If not, check your DM, I sent what I believe is the way to reset keybindings and all.

[carmine path]

or hear me out, stop complaining, meet up at a spot and 2 call

[paper oriole]

People want to fly into space or some shit

[vestal rune]

oh my bad I misinterpreted what you said, does the Z animation play?

erek's taking care of it

[trim dock]

ptera stam sucks when youre a tiny baby but it gets manageable over time

[vestal rune]

oh ye juvie ptera stam sucks, but that's kinda the point

[paper oriole]

It should suck when youre a baby

[arctic aurora]

No it doesn't

[trim dock]

yeahh

[vestal rune]

ok ye, the fix erik sent you should fix that

[paper oriole]

You dont even need to eat until youre almost full grown

[trim dock]

im not saying it shouldnt be

babies suck at flying

throw a human baby in the air and it falls right back down

[carmine path]

i wonder why

[paper oriole]

Well um...

[cyan flame]

You can get surprisingly high even as a little ptera if you start on higher ground.

[vestal rune]

I mean, throw an human adult in the air and it does the same lmao

[carmine path]

get a trampoline he'll stay in the air longer

[cyan flame]

... and now we've gone from strange to.. well, stranger :p

[trim dock]

thats my talent

[carmine path]

yes talent...

[cyan flame]

I look away for a sec and you're talking about throwing humans up in the air to see what happens.. :p

[paper oriole]

As a baby ptera all you have to he able to do is get away from predators and you have enough to do that in the vast majority of cases unless you land next to more

[trim dock]

as a baby ptera you dont really need to fly super high

to get away from stuff

[paper oriole]

Yeah just gotta lose em

[carmine path]

i mean it only take what like 15min to have some decent stam for ptera

[paper oriole]

Idk i guess people want to do loopdeloops and fly into orbit and they are upset that they can't do that

[carmine path]

and hell you get a free ride to adult as long as you don't die cause you don't need food or water till you are full grown

[cedar pulsar]

I never liked or cared for global chat but I think it’d be nice to have some kind of admin chat or something at least so unofficial servers can function

[trim dock]

maybe if they use balloons...

[vestal rune]

ye devs are planning on extra admin tools for that

should be added quite soon

[carmine path]

Update 4 maybe...

[oblique fiber]

There are other servers that kinda relied on it simply due to how many people are on. It makes it hard to let admins know of rule breaks if the server has rules.

[vestal rune]

untill then, although it's not ideal, discord can be used

[elder rivet]

wdym i can't fly across the map without having to land?? bad scam i want refund!!!1!!11

[cedar pulsar]

epic

[carmine path]

Update 4 should be relatively easy besides the perk system

[paper oriole]

I think global chat should be allowed on sandbox servers as a non modded option when those servers come

[cedar pulsar]

bone break might have a challenge or two with it but shouldn’t be too difficult

[paper oriole]

No reason why it shouldnt be honestly

[cyan flame]

Oh the perks are gonna be a fine mess :p

[trim dock]

im excited for pachy

i wanna destroy some knees

[carmine path]

gonna be alot of "balancing" XD

[cedar pulsar]

pachy isn’t very intricate at all like pteranodon and deino so I imagine he will go reasonably quick, since all he is is head go bonk

[oblique fiber]

The random egg invites are a huge pain, and kinda annoying. Plus not being able to tell an admin right there that something is happening

[trim dock]

head go bonk good

[vestal rune]

the new roadmap will actually remove pachy from update 4, and have it as a side thing, if pachy finishes in time it will be added with update 4 but if not, it'll stay in development

[cyan flame]

@carmine path Hopefully they figure it out, but I do have my reservations... we have other games that has shown how.. well, not to do it I suppose :p

[vestal rune]

there'll be a much better nesting system in evrima, plus more admin tools are planned

[carmine path]

honestly Perk System is gonna be one of those things where they release it and balance it as they go through feedback

[cedar pulsar]

im excited to see pachy get its vengeance from legacy and dunk on some utahs

[elder rivet]

he also needs to block utah pounce (at least that's what i see from the concept art)

[cyan flame]

Yeah, most likely perks will be a bit of an ongoing thing for a while, + other changes if neccesary Im guessing

[trim dock]

yeah idk bout perks

[cedar pulsar]

yeah pachy should throw off a utah easily since its not very large and less space to hold onto

[cyan flame]

And yes, legacy pachy is done with being shat on hopefully, time to evolve when migrating to evrima!

[trim dock]

utah would go through a rodeo and a half tryin to pounce a pachy

[cedar pulsar]

though i am kinda concerned on how he will fair with carno out and about

[vestal rune]

I imagine the strat with carno is break the leg and run away

also pachy seems to be like a mountain goat, mountains are the last place carnos want to be lmao

[cedar pulsar]

fair

with diets and shit i imagine pachy's preferred veggies would be in rocky areas where carnos have difficulty getting at them

[cyan flame]

I think someone said pachy would be able to break/fracture carno to get away, but if it stayed around to fight, it would die.

[cedar pulsar]

makes sense

[vestal rune]

ye I doubt pachy would do well with killing a carno, but injuring and running away is good

honestly can't wait for fractures, if they're implemented correctly they could potentially improve the game significantly

[cyan flame]

Yep! Unless there's a whole herd of them.. and now I kind of want to see a herd of pachies(?) play pong with a utah or maybe a troodon? You know.. just knock the poor critter back and forth :p

[vestal rune]

lmao a utah chases a pachy into a herd and it just gets surrounded, and all it can think is "oh fuck"

[trim dock]

i want a pachy as a dog now

[vestal rune]

I think pachy is a bit too big for that

[trim dock]

best dog ever

nonono

[vestal rune]

yesyesyes

[trim dock]

hear me out

someone tries to rob you

[vestal rune]

it would be like keeping a horse

[trim dock]

and the pachy breaks his skull

[cyan flame]

This needs to be a thing!

[cedar pulsar]

from concept it looks like pachy will absolutely slaughter troodon
poor boy is so fragile that one clean body shot probably has its ribs impaling its lungs

[vestal rune]

I mean, pachy is much bigger than troodon, not surprising lmao

[cyan flame]

True, that was a brutal execution there. So maybe a not quite grown utah would make for better sport then :p

[trim dock]

wait how big is pachy

o h

id need a big dog house

[elder rivet]

pw cringe

[cyan flame]

Yeah.. not the best source I don't think..

[tawny juniper]

I mean I don't understand why you need to have blood on your mouth at all times just so you can "look cool"

[cyan flame]

Go take a drink? :p

[trim dock]

its a big doggy

at heart

[tawny juniper]

He suggest that as a feature you can ave blood on your mouth at all times

[vestal rune]

I'd say a big ram at heart

[mellow jewel]

Because having blood on your mouth looks cool

[vestal rune]

wait what is this about?

[tawny juniper]

Someone earlier posted a suggestion about a toggleable feature of having blood on your mouth as a carni that only you can see, Even if you didn't eat something you can turn it on

It was this morning but the conversation has had huge gaps

[elder rivet]

wow dilo is a giant

[trim dock]

fr though

[mellow jewel]

Carno is still bigger 😎

[trim dock]

its so cute

look at him

[elder rivet]

[vestal rune]

ye that seems uncessary

[elder rivet]

Allo is bigger

[tawny juniper]

Agreed it would just be wasted development time and in the end add nothing to the game

[cyan flame]

Oh, right. Sorry, misunderstood then :p

[tawny juniper]

Np

[trim dock]

im maining pachy whenever the update comes out

[vestal rune]

pachy seems really fun

update 4 was meant to add region 2 to the game as well

[cyan flame]

Pachy is cool

[vestal rune]

really wanna explore region 2 as pachy, ptera as well

[cyan flame]

But.. kentro!

[trim dock]

wait what about region 2

didnt know bout that

[vestal rune]

they're adding region 2 as a section of isla spiro in update 4

[trim dock]

sounds cool

[vestal rune]

at least that was the plan originally, idk how the new roadmap will change things, I suspect it will stay though

[trim dock]

hope the entire map of isla spiro isnt just a rainforest lmao

[vestal rune]

I mean region 2 will be tropicalified

but they also showed redwoods

[trim dock]

o h h h

fancy

[trim dock]

me likey

[vestal rune]

huh I just realised, there was an old region 2 version which turned it into a redwoods map, will the region 2 they add be redwoods to sort of pay homage to that? 🤔

[cyan flame]

I think it will have redwoods, or maybe that was only a test..

I wish we could get region2 redwoods back, that map was fun, despite horrible performance.. :p

[trim dock]

only time will tell

[elder rivet]

I don't understand how it's "worse than legacy" for the carno turn radius

[tawny juniper]

Because it's fast af does pretty good damage, and can turn on a dime

[left nacelle]

@remote cradle Go here: #🐞-evrima-bug-reports-🐞

[swift dew]

@worldly belfry I have said this 10 times and ill say it again. the game is NOT for having random conversations and making friends. If you want to do that just find a chatroom

[robust vine]

and like I've said 10 times, the community is a big part of this game. I really don't see why you're so against people enjoying the game the way they want.

[worldly belfry]

well if thats how you want to play thats fine. im not going to tell you how to play. the whole point of a game is to enjoy playing however you want within reason. if you want to play on a server with only local species then do it. just dont restrict that for eveyone else.

[dense vale]

^

i think its better to have ingame chats insted of everyone using discord or something because atleast your dinosour makes a noise when you talk. when people use discord there avoiding game mechanics

[rustic zenith]

ding win have a winner lol

[delicate tulip]

@dense vale that's actually a great point

Also...is this argument STILL going on!?

[rustic zenith]

yup

[vestal rune]

how is the fact that you make calls better?

[rustic zenith]

you make nose aka someone can hunt you

[vestal rune]

ok, so having it be on discord is better because you don't put yourself at an unfair disadvantage

[rustic zenith]

Yes but still should be able to choose on there server if they want global chat on there server or not. Not hard lol

[delicate tulip]

I knew who that one X would be on my suggestion and Zeros lol

[rustic zenith]

lol yeah

[lusty agate]

Lmao

[rustic zenith]

He will be doing that for a while

[delicate tulip]

Honestly piggy, we've been over this a thousand times, giving server owners the option literally does not affect you, the devs vision or anything else

[dense vale]

honestly an easy problem, both partys can have exactly what they want lol

[rustic zenith]

yup

[lusty agate]

“The devs don’t want to have to deal with it in their game” It’s literally a chat box, how hard is it to add it as an option?

[barren zephyr]

I dislike how they're forcing this one style of gameplay onto everyone. It's not fun, community servers dislike it as well. Having the entire game and all of it's servers revolve around 1 single way of gameplay feels unhealthy. Add global as an option, and make group limits editable.

[delicate tulip]

Officials and more hardcore servers get to keep the "authentic" feel that the devs want and other more social community servers get the thing they need to be social, literally no one is at a lose here

[swift dew]

i dont want to hear it, we have had 50 conversations about this, and the only valid reason behind global chat is admin contact. which can be easilly fixed with borks suggestion. other things like "i have made friends in global chat so YOU CANT TAKE IT AWAY" is bullshit since this isnt a chatroom.
im not having this discussion

[lusty agate]

If they’re gonna force us to play one gameplay style they may as well take away community servers

[rustic zenith]

ok bye

[barren zephyr]

If thats the direction this game is heading

Imma dip

Im all for making your game with the vision you have, but forcing players onto this playstyle is just stupid

[delicate tulip]

@swift dew well too bad, you've heard it, your obsession with hating this harmless feature is ridiculous

[barren zephyr]

Global doesn't turn a game into a chat room, it adds to the overall experience. Play on a server that has global enabled and you don't like it? Turn it off

[lusty agate]

Yeah, you can literally just play on the Offical servers and it won’t affect you at all

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

[delicate tulip]

or go to a server that has it switched off

[lusty agate]

^

[barren zephyr]

So saying "it'll turn the game into a chatroom" or "this game isn't a chat room" is a stupid argument to me

[lusty agate]

I like playing a Dino game and growing doing stuff while chatting with people

[barren zephyr]

So many multiplayer survival games have it, and now you wanna call it a chatroom? Makes no sense to me

If you wanna sit around and chat, that's on YOU. You're at a higher risk to be killed

[delicate tulip]

@lusty agate exactly, you want the feel the devs want? play Officials, you don't? Play community...simple, the community servers already diverge from the games vision with all their rules, growths etc

[rustic zenith]

I find that there is only...maybe 4 people who say no to the chat and the rest say yes.....

[barren zephyr]

It hurts my head

[lusty agate]

Exactly

[swift dew]

just bring up global chat into #401464048610312195 everyone will say its shit, just unlike me they have better things to do with their lives

[rustic zenith]

I thought you were leaving bc you did not want to convo lol

[robust vine]

Legit so many people have been asking for global chat to come back, I'm sure the devs will listen to their feedback, the positives of having a global chat out weigh the negatives.

[swift dew]

im sure they wont. have you seen this thing? or the poll they did that when anth showed the video the results changed? yeah, they know what they want and global doesn't fit the game that they want

[delicate tulip]

@swift dew they did change it lol

[robust vine]

We're talking about a very easy feature they can add back.

[delicate tulip]

More accurately they adjusted it so it's proportions were better

[lusty agate]

If you want to play the game the way the devs wanted play on the officials servers and let the unofficial have the option, literally the easiest thing to do

[delicate tulip]

They'll adjust the acro as well

[vestal rune]

oh seriously this is still going on, global will just be modded in, for now just use discord

[robust vine]

I'm sure that if they put it up to a vote global chat being added back will deffo win

[delicate tulip]

@lusty agate I don't understand why this is so hard to understand

[rustic zenith]

No

[robust vine]

@vestal rune you keep forgetting not everyone uses discord

[lusty agate]

How about people who don’t have discord?

[vestal rune]

oh my god PLEASE not polls, did you guys listen to my story about when the devs did a poll a while ago

get discord

[lusty agate]

What if people can’t?

[swift dew]

well then maybe they should stop useing the survival horror game (horror to come) as a chatroom

[vestal rune]

wdym if they can't? you literally make an account, you don't even need to use the app if you don't want to there's a website

[lusty agate]

But it would be to find groups, easy

[vestal rune]

you can find groups on discord

[lusty agate]

I mean people who aren’t old enough to have Discord

[dense vale]

i dont wanna use third party programs to play a game and i dont like that it lets people talk without thier dino making noise

[vestal rune]

if people aren't old enough to have discord they shouldn't be playing this game, last time I checked it was 18+

[dense vale]

straight up worse realism

[lusty agate]

Or people who live in a country where they can’t have it

[rustic zenith]

ok...fish..piggy..your out gunned. To many people want it back. The feed backs have more like's then your dislike's piggy.

[swift dew]

it would be to find groups? the reason they added the close group feature was to counteract the "R for rex group shit"

[vestal rune]

being able to talk to random people accross a whole map is realistic???

[dense vale]

its closer to it if you make noise when you talk yes

[vestal rune]

just because a bunch of people want it back doesn't mean it will happen

[robust vine]

@vestal rune you can't use realism as an excuse

[rustic zenith]

THEN the game die's lol

[vestal rune]

I'm not, Jake is just saying global chat is realistic for some reason

[swift dew]

the devs said they don't care that much about checks and x's. they look through and see what are interesting ideas and what is a bad idea. and guess what? global is a bad idea

[delicate tulip]

To you

[vestal rune]

no it won't, worst case scenario is all the dino chatters leave the game, but that still leaves a good chunk of the community who plays the game properly

[static socket]

bring back NA3

[rustic zenith]

Then the dev's need a good slap to see what most of the people are say der

[vestal rune]

is NA3 down?

[lusty agate]

Then have proximity global where you can talk to other players that are in that area

[robust vine]

If the devs don't care then people will stop playing. I've seen it happen to so many games that had so much potential

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune "properly" lmao

[swift dew]

alright then if thats what you think will happen then so be it, because that is definitly not going to happen

[static socket]

ye forever

[vestal rune]

yes, actually playing the game instead of chatting is playing the game properly

[rustic zenith]

wait till pot comes out we will see lol

[delicate tulip]

Next you'll be running around with hypos, wiping out entire servers because they don't play the game the way you want them to lmao

[robust vine]

There's no proper way to play the game

[swift dew]

alright, they give very different experiences so it wont be the isle but with global

[dense vale]

i think real dinosaurs used discord to comunicate without sounds

[vestal rune]

well it's a sandbox so I guess you're sort of right, but the one proper way to play the game is to actually play the game

[rustic zenith]

yeah back then discord was a thing lol

[vestal rune]

ah yes, real dinosaurs could talk to other dinosaurs kilometers away in a human language, ofc

using a third party program sucks, but global will be modded back in in the future

[robust vine]

An important part of this game is communicating with others to coexist

[vestal rune]

you can do that in local

[brittle ivy]

Hey guys, I have news for people wanting global chat back. It is not coming back unless by way of it being modded into an unofficial server. The developers have explicitly stated it is not in the cards for the game's future and does not fit the style of game they want to produce and provide. This isn't an 'up for debate' conversation, this is the reality for this game. Some of you don't like this change, and that's perfectly fine, but you'll need to adapt to the lack there of or wait until modding kicks in later down the line and an unofficial server creates the mod for it.

[delicate tulip]

It was, it was called Dinocord, they updated to be more hip @rustic zenith

[robust vine]

So the devs don't give a shit about what the players want.

[rustic zenith]

Oh it is up for debate. We the people are speaking out and there is more of the yes then no

[vestal rune]

they do give a shit, they just don't bend to the player's whim because people complain

[brittle ivy]

They have a vision for the game and global chat does not fit that vision.

[vestal rune]

ok I'm gonna tell the fucking poll story again

[brittle ivy]

There is no debate here, actually. The developers are not bringing global chat back in any official capacity. The community will have to create a mod for it.

[delicate tulip]

The mod excuse, if it's gonna be able to be modded in then it will go against their vision so it might as well be adding in Officially

[rustic zenith]

No it seems the dev's do not care. Willow is right

[robust vine]

Tbh, path of titans is starting to be more appealing than the isle at the moment.

[vestal rune]

a long time ago during the legacy days, the devs did a poll asking what the community thinks the devs should focus on next. There were options such as more mechanics, more maps and more dinos. When the poll was first released the results were decent, more mechanics was the top option. However anthomnia made a video about a poll, and almost immediatly "more dinos" went to the top. Adding more dinos would have killed the isle, at the time there were more than enough. This is why the devs don't simply listen to the majority

[robust vine]

Tldr

[rustic zenith]

dam right

[molten tulip]

This is not your game, this is the dev's game. They choose what they want to put in. If you dont like it then don't play

[vestal rune]

it's not long, but tl;dr the community's majority opinion sucks

[brittle ivy]

And that is perfectly fine. The Isle is not for everyone, there are always other choices out there that may be better suited for your play style.

[vestal rune]

PoT is a dino RPG while the isle is a hardcore survival game, if you want a more casual experience, feel free to play PoT, this game is not for you

maybe come back once modding is implemented

[lusty agate]

Modding needs to be added soon then

Not “eventually”

[vestal rune]

perks, diets and humans need to be added before mods

[lusty agate]

No they don’t

[vestal rune]

yes they do, they are far more important

[delicate tulip]

Perks and diet, fair enough

Humans tho, they can take a hike

[vestal rune]

main reason I say humans is because they want them by the end of the year

[lusty agate]

Yeah

[rustic zenith]

Player base: We want chat back, Devs: no Othe,r devs:but...most of are players want it back if we don't we will lose money, Dondi: whats money again?

[robust vine]

People will figure out how to enable global without mods, just like how people could play as hypos

[vestal rune]

so clearly they shouldn't focus on mods instead of humans

[vestal rune]

stop spinning a false narrative, you don't know what has happened inside the dev team, you're not a dev

[vestal rune]

it doesn't work like that

[rustic zenith]

ever seen sid video's?

[vestal rune]

fairly sure global has been ripped from the game entirelly

[brittle ivy]

Can't enable something if it's been completely removed.

[delicate tulip]

Luckily I'll be on servers that can toggle them on/off because that's gonna be a thing that they can do...you know, just like what we're suggesting happens with global🙃

[lusty agate]

Neither are you.

[vestal rune]

I have and they were fucking awful, so much false information it made me fucking cringe

[brittle ivy]

The developers are focused on their priorities and building the foundation for the game first and foremost. Modding will come at a later date, but not now.

[rustic zenith]

mhm and thats why para is gone?

[vestal rune]

not everything was false information, but for example in that very video you're referring to he called para the lead dev

but I'm not talking about this, please don't act like you have some magic insight into the dev team when you clearly don't

[rustic zenith]

ok and the dondi will be dondi part?

[lusty agate]

You don’t have any insight either other than they said no global maybe once

[robust vine]

So if the devs aren't going to listen to the players then what's the point of a feedback channel XD

[lusty agate]

Yeah, they may as well take away these channels

[rustic zenith]

hmmm yes indeed

[vestal rune]

uh, punch made an official statement saying that global will never return, skysealer also LITERALLY just made one

the devs have listened to the players, originally there were gonna be 3 carnis and humans playable and nothing else

[barren zephyr]

Well devs don't necessarily have to listen to EVERY single bit of feedback

[brittle ivy]

I do have insight. And I can tell you for a fact that global chat will not make a return in an official capacity. It will have to be modded and added in by an unofficial capacity.

[robust vine]

Its clear that they don't care about their players. They only care about money

[brittle ivy]

The developers read these feedbacks and have incorporated suggestions, but global chat is not one that will be returning.

[rustic zenith]

It does not matter what punch say's there are more players saying bring it back and he just says no? Way to piss of the players..

[vestal rune]

don't spread false narratives, if they only cared about the money they would have stuck with legacy and created a half-assed game then ran off with it

[left nacelle]

If that was the case, evrima wouldn't be a thing

[vestal rune]

but no, they totally remade the game so we can get the quality we deserve

[timber mesa]

also devs, change stats according to community, change animations according to community, and sometimes change their whole models according to the community

[rustic zenith]

evrima is a thing bc they can't ready death code lol

[vestal rune]

not even this, WHOLE GAMEMODES have been removed because the community didn't like it

[timber mesa]

Exactly

[robust vine]

And according to the majority of the community we would like global chat back

[left nacelle]

But it was still selling well, they could've just left it if they really wanted to

[vestal rune]

evrima is a thing because deathly's code was so bad that they couldn't do anything with it, look at how they tried to fix some hacking issues and it broke the game

[rustic zenith]

yet he is making pot 🙂

[left nacelle]

Not true. A majority of the community is fine with it being gone. The devs not adding one features doesn't mean they don't care about the community

[timber mesa]

But a large part of us think it’s good it’s removed
One half of the community wants it back, the rest of us don’t

[vestal rune]

so? I have yet to been convinced that it's any better than legacy technically wise

[timber mesa]

Which is pretty trash tbh

[robust vine]

Have you not been reading the feedback? So many people have been asking for it to return.

[vestal rune]

also, even if it was because they couldn't read deathly's code, that would be because he didn't document it

[left nacelle]

PoT is a different game than The Isle. Mechanics that were planned ofr The Isle either wouldn't work or wouldn't be as high quality as the devs want, hence why they remade the game

[rustic zenith]

Bc it's in testing lol There adding then the isle does.

[vestal rune]

how long have you been playing the isle?

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune it's not his code that was the issue lmao, after his firing they couldn't learn how to use said code, after failed attempts to continue with legacy, they had to start from scratch, bad code wasn't the issue.

[left nacelle]

That doesn't mean a majority of the community wants it. A lot of people have suggested other things too that haven't made it in, and for good reason

[vestal rune]

how long have you been playing as well?

[rustic zenith]

Idk, from the time death left and dondi has been a asshole. Why does it matter?

[delicate tulip]

@vestal rune a few years now but I've been watching the games development since it launched onto steam

[vestal rune]

oh ok, so you don't know SHIT about the history of this game, stop acting like you have some sort of cosmic knowledge about its development history

I've been playing this game since practically it was released, I recall collision being added to the game and it was SO BROKEN they had to totally scrap it, collision was purely coded by deathly, does that sound like good code to you?

[rustic zenith]

Oh so bc you know more you can get what you want and do what you want. We got a boot licker here boys

[vestal rune]

I also recall deathly outrigh telling the devs no when asked to code something

[robust vine]

We're literally asking for unofficial servers to enable global chat. I've read a lot of great suggestions saying that the devs should allow unofficial servers to customize pack limits/growth times. That way each server has something new to other and won't be another boring official one.

[vestal rune]

where did you get that from? I'm just telling you to stop acting like you know everything

[brittle ivy]

I'm going to have to ask you guys to cease trading blows with each other, especially with regard to who knows more about TI than the other. This is a warning.

[rustic zenith]

Did I ever say I do. I got by what I have seen when I played. You don't put something and just take it away. It is not hard to add something that can be turned on and off...

[vestal rune]

fair enough, just sick of people thinking they know more about the game than the devs just because they watched some youtube video

[left nacelle]

But the devs have literally said that global chat will be able to be modded in. Just wait for mods. Everything else that isn't within the devs' vision is going to be modded in, why should this be any different? Global chat changes how the game is played and deviates it from the devs' vision, imo it would make more sense as a mod

[vestal rune]

I was more referring to your comments about evrima's development, this was a whole tangent lol

[rustic zenith]

Just put it in to be turned off and on bloody hell

[left nacelle]

Or... they could let people mod it in since it isn't an intended feature of the game

[rustic zenith]

Yes lets just not care about what most people are saying to put it in. I hear the money draining o.o

[robust vine]

How long would that be? Why not allow a global chat option until modding is allowed.

[left nacelle]

You're missing the point. If it doesn't fit with the devs' vision of the game, it shouldn't be an official feature of the game. That just makes sense

[robust vine]

It sounds like they have a pretty rubbish vision of the game tbh...

[vestal rune]

the devs are making a good game, they're not gonna appeal to the playerbase just to make more money

[left nacelle]

So.. no global chat = bad game??

[rustic zenith]

You do know the game only win if people buy it...right so if the game get bad review no more money

[timber mesa]

So just because it doesn’t suit your vision it means it’s a bad game? sigh

[robust vine]

No. The devs not listening to the players =bad game

[dense vale]

i guess i could use discord to talk in game then just press f call everytime i talk for realism that way i dont have an unfair advantage over people not using discord

[rustic zenith]

to most people yes

[left nacelle]

I don't think the devs care about that. If the game doesn't sell, it doesn't sell. But it is selling sooo

[rustic zenith]

lol

[silver zephyr]

tbh I get the frustration but the game isn't gonna get an insane drop in revenue and playerbase because of globals removal

[left nacelle]

^^^

[vestal rune]

you know this reminds me a lot of when family sharing was disabled for the game, people were making these exact same claims. Guess what? the game's fine, and it will be fine after this

[cyan flame]

Better, when they turned off sandbox for a while, remember? :p

[timber mesa]

Just think like global never existed in the first place

[lusty agate]

There should still be some form of “global” so others can talk to people. Probably for only herbivores maybe and we’ll see more herbivores

[dense vale]

discord servers are making global chats

[vestal rune]

ye kinda feels like deja vu, devs make a decision to remove something that has a negative impact on the game, a bunch of people get salty and act like they're gonna ruin it

[left nacelle]

But why would you talk to people in a horror game? Makes the game less scary imo. Removes the feeling of being alone

[barren zephyr]

Spreading false narratives about devs is something I do not agree with. Yes, they have their visions for the game. You can't just claim devs only care about money when they are actively doing their best to make a game they care about. That's not cool dude

(I read up on the convo so this may not fit here 100%)

[lusty agate]

Why can’t it be togglable? It wouldn’t affect offical servers

[rustic zenith]

I hear discord found out dinos used skype way back in the day lol

[barren zephyr]

Just wanted to give my opinion on this

[left nacelle]

Because it can be a mod. If it's something that players want but the devs don't, it makes more sense to be a mod

[cyan flame]

The game will be fine, you're right on that one. Will it take a hit, possibly, will the other games capitalize on it, likely. But the Isle will be fine, no doubt about that. It's still the best option, and will probably remain so for a while longer unless BoB or PoT pulls something spectacular out of their behinds :p

[real star]

Oh hi! lool

[cyan flame]

@real star Hey!

[real star]

☕ ?

[cyan flame]

I told you, I don't like that :p

[lusty agate]

Then make modding into the game early as possible

[vestal rune]

no, they should focus on the core mechanics first

[rustic zenith]

No mods first

[cyan flame]

No. Mods can wait.

[timber mesa]

Mechanics and dinos first tho

[vestal rune]

perks, diets and elders need to be in the game ASAP

[cyan flame]

I get that you're missing global, and I do agree on your side, but I can assure you, there's far more pressing issues than a global chat

[left nacelle]

Mods aren't even a necessary feature of the game. The devs don't even need to make modding possible. It can wait

[vestal rune]

eh, mods can come before a lot of the dinosaurs, but the core mechanics certainly not

[silver zephyr]

actually worst take, I get y'all want global and I'd be fine with it as an option but saying mods are more valuable than the actual games intended features is eh

[cyan flame]

@vestal rune You've been here as long as me, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels that it would be nice if we're finally getting a proper game loop and all that :)

[rustic zenith]

Wait wait...this just in discord is saying the dino...was not a real dino o.o

[vestal rune]

yes, I've been waiting for a good gameplay loop for 5 years 😭

and these people want to post pone it for mods

[humble terrace]

no global means no one will be able to expose other player's locations anymore 😎

[cyan flame]

Discord Mabel :p

[timber mesa]

EXACTLY

[silver zephyr]

well one person (so far), let's not say people yet

[rustic zenith]

yeaaaaah about that...discord does that to

[real star]

or cry about kos and rulebreaks. tks god

[vestal rune]

jade and zero lol

[cyan flame]

Do not for a moment think that lack of global will make any bad stuff happening better, it'll make it worse :p

[humble terrace]

half the people playing the game don't bother to tab out and look at discord every second, global being broadcasted to everyone constantly is a different story

[vestal rune]

worse? discord chats can be moderated better than the ingame chat

[real star]

the silent killers of the isle lol No one will know their crimes anymore xD

[cyan flame]

@humble terrace Actual clans will now have the advantage though. That is not favourable for the game to be honest.

[rustic zenith]

they do that on bob lol

[lusty agate]

Then they should make it easy to moderate chats.

[left nacelle]

Moderating a chat is never easy

[ruby cipher]

Without global, most people want it and I just think it should be an option to enable and disable it honestly

[lusty agate]

Be able to take away messages and block certain words that can pertain to giving away location

[cyan flame]

That's not the issue. The issue is that now only the people on discord, the organized groups, will have the clear advantage. They will use discord to scout and all that, but now there's no "public global" for your casuals to react in and mitigate it. Remember the clan wars on officials, Gondwana vs you know who? :p

[humble terrace]

i just don't see how global contributes anything meaningful to the game other than people trash talking each other occasionally or asking for a nest invite. feels more like a chat sim at times than a survival experience

[vestal rune]

I don't see how the removal of global will make that worse, it's the same either way

[humble terrace]

the general public really had no advantage with global anyways

[cyan flame]

No, I would agree, I don't mind it being gone. I'm just thinking that it's a clear advantage for said clans and all that.

[feral wedge]

Hard group caps are also a thing now.

[cyan flame]

But with global, anyone could put the server on notice.

[rustic zenith]

Ok so let's say we mod in glob chat...ok that will come in 2050...I will be dead by then o.o

[feral wedge]

Confusion is easy to take advantage of when they can only be sure about a select few other people

[rustic zenith]

yup

[vestal rune]

uh those hard group caps don't actually work ingame currently

group stank isn't a good enough deterent, although it is nice

[humble terrace]

there are also pack scents, so it's a lot easier to avoid potential megapacks

[cyan flame]

Group stank is useful to know if something is around that shouldnt be :p

[vestal rune]

absolute latest I could see that is 2023

[cyan flame]

More useful as an early warning/offense

[rustic zenith]

ok at lest we can agree on that lol

[vestal rune]

ye I'm not saying group stank is useless, I just mean it's not gonna stop people, but I guess it at least tells you if there's a clan

[cyan flame]

It does make me want to not keep other herbis around, so there is that..

[vestal rune]

I had a fucking aneurysm when I wrote that number jesus christ lmao

[cyan flame]

Thats a plus at least!

[rustic zenith]

I will give you..2030

[lusty agate]

The "comfort" mechanic Don wants in the game should added ASAP because there are a lot of megapacks

[cyan flame]

Eh... not at all sure on affinity

[vestal rune]

hmm comfort was split up into the elder perk and diet systems, which is why I think those are very important

[cyan flame]

Though to be fair.. I think we have, just like with perks, reasons to be somewhat wary of that kind of mechanic :p

[humble terrace]

I've noticed significantly less mega packs in evrima compared to legacy, so that's something at least.

[trim dock]

a comfort mechanic could help with mixpacking

but idk

[silver zephyr]

I personally wish hard group limits weren't a thing as imo they wouldn't really differ much from a soft limit, only difference would be name tags and they could just potentially make the punishments harsher but tbh I'm not really good with balance so this would probably end up being trash

[cyan flame]

Ideally groups should be limited by ingame access to food and so on

[lusty agate]

What are your guy's opinion on a proximity "global" chat like I suggested not too long ago?

[vestal rune]

could probably be a mod

[silver zephyr]

yeah, and additional factors such as the gold scent

[fringe sparrow]

Trikes dont know how to speak shant

[rustic zenith]

So wait about the 2023 thing..if it take's them 2 years....pot will be done, bob might be a good game, aliens fire team will be out and who know's what will be out by then! I'm scared hold me

[vestal rune]

they really need to bring back calling extending your name tag range, it have a downside to being in groups

[cyan flame]

Less in number, or less of them in general? Cause I recently read about 15 man band of utahs roaming around.. :p

[vestal rune]

maybe also get rid of coords eventually once we get a better spawn system

[cyan flame]

Trikes do not want shants nearby, they eat your food and they are actually capable of standing up to you.. :p

[feral wedge]

Global of any kind is a bad idea that will bring about toxic behavior or gameplay that has in-game discussion being utilized for mixed packing.

[lusty agate]

The spawn system is fine how it is

[feral wedge]

Sure, some of you like it for the social aspect

[left nacelle]

Nah. i think coords could stay, since they fit with the game's lore and story

[vestal rune]

maybe for now,m but it needs to be improved in the future

[humble terrace]

less in general mostly. last i played legacy nearly every populated lake had a megapack patrolling lol

[cyan flame]

Coords were only meant for spawns right, nested ones do not, and thus are not tracked. Less likelyhood of being shot :p

[vestal rune]

ye but it kinda makes it too easy to stay close and find things of differing species

[humble terrace]

also glad global is gone because I don't fancy people getting mad for killing them and broadcasting my location to the server in retaliation

[vestal rune]

no I mean the coords appearing in your screen, you just shouldn't see it

[left nacelle]

Yeah, I can see that. But I don't tihkn it should be outright removed

[cyan flame]

Ah. Yeah that would be true. Now to fix the sizes, cause 15 utahs sounds like a decent force for a server wipe if they know what they're doing :p Though hopefully that report was exaggerated!

[vestal rune]

eh, they said they'll be adding an ingame map in the future as well, I don't think coords are necessary once that is added and the better spawn system

[humble terrace]

typically giant packs are just random players roaming together, they don't last very long once everyone gets hungry. been in those packs and seen them die within the hour

[cyan flame]

Ah, that might work. Honestly, who uses coords anyway, map works just fine to figure out area, + spawn points if you want to meet up.

[humble terrace]

pretty rare a coordinated clan is actually out and about

[vestal rune]

I use coords often, makes finding friends piss easy

[cyan flame]

For now perhaps. I still remember the Gondwana wars... Not a good time for a neutral survival player :p

Hell of a wake up call that period was on how the game could be played ^^

[vestal rune]

but I imagine mega and mixpackers use coords very commonly

[cyan flame]

Maybe you're just a master of reading them, I tend to favour map landmarks and all that personally.

[vestal rune]

lmao I was part of the gondwana clan, but only because I was part of the community back when it was its own server

[trim dock]

im bad at reading coords

[feral wedge]

I won't forget the two I worked to eradicate.

[vestal rune]

idk why people think coords are hard, they're honestly really easy

[trim dock]

if someone tells me to find them via coords id somehow travel to a different country

[cyan flame]

@vestal rune I'd say a few things about your clan and side in that war but.. well, long time ago so we'll pass on that :D

[vestal rune]

lmao I wasn't paticularly actually active in it ingame, I mostly just talked in the discord

[feral wedge]

Though a great many issues with those of you that dislike a lot of these changes is that you either weren't around or don't understand the full negative impact these things can have because you haven't experienced it.

[cyan flame]

I think its because they change based on language. I got positives, I think others have negatives.

[vestal rune]

oh if that's the case then that's odd

[cyan flame]

Or whatever causes said variation... also can we please have things in english only for now

Cause it's so weird to see half the character screen in my own language and then the rest not

[vestal rune]

ye they need to add a language option, it's odd how it just uses system language, that's kinda dumb

[trim dock]

i just had a weird thought

since herras in the future climb trees and stuff would they like have nests up there too

like scaley squirrels

[left nacelle]

Probably not if I had to guess

[trim dock]

yeahh

[left nacelle]

Like they'll be able to climb them, but I don't think they'll live in them

[trim dock]

just a weird thought

[left nacelle]

I definitely wouldn't complain if they did end up living in them and having tree nests and stuff tho. Would be interesting

[humble terrace]

I want big trees with holes in them for small tree climbers like herra 😫

[wide locust]

Anyone else think that they shouldn't outright just remove the global chat? 'Cause I think that would just make finding anyone let alone making admining a lot harder..

[humble terrace]

We just had this discussion an hour ago

global chat has no place in a survival game

[wide locust]

eh.. still think there should be something, survival or not. No multiplayer game can last without working communication.

[vestal rune]

they're gonna add new adminstrating tools

we have local chat, that's enough communication

[wide locust]

Local doesnt go far and it bugs.. a lot

[vestal rune]

this game isn't really about cooperation anyway, most interactions with other people should be aggressive, grouping is just a way to deal with a cruel world better

[wide locust]

Ehhhh I know quite a few who would disagree- but that's just my opinion.

[vestal rune]

no fr, the official servers historically had no global chat and they've been fine

[misty linden]

that's fine for official servers, I'd just like the unofficial servers to have the option to toggle it

[wide locust]

I can agree toxicity in chat is annoying but it was way better than dying at every corner because you thought the one juvie next to you was your friend.

yeah

[vestal rune]

don't trust people, this is a hardcore cruel world

[misty linden]

at least give the unofficial servers the option, if the official ones are w/o global that's perfectly fine by me

[wide locust]

doesnt mean the game has to be

[vestal rune]

it'll probably be a mod once it's implemented

[cyan flame]

@humble terrace Shrike herrera please and thank you. While holes to hide in and store food in would be cool, surely you agree that being able to impale dead dryos and skulls and other gore parts on spiky branch parts would be amazing?

[vestal rune]

I was referring to the game not irl

the devs intend their game to be a harsh hardcore survival experience

[wide locust]

and not a lot of people want that.. I get is some do but most don't. It's why a lot of people backed off envirma recently as far as I could tell. Even in any survival, numbers mean a greater chance of living. Solitary life is for the apexes and local chat isnt cutting it.

[vestal rune]

I'd like a source on that "most people don't" comment, I'd argue most people do, after all that is what the game is advertised as

plus if they don't want that, they can play another game

[silver zephyr]

I'm pretty sure most have backed off of evrima recently cause it doesn't have much to do and not much dino variety. which I kinda do and don't agree with but just sayin

[vestal rune]

I mean up until update 3 evrima was practically dead, not because it was hardcore but rather because it had gamebreaking bugs

[wide locust]

well.. ya can't play a game if you can't figure out what you're doing. I'm more concerned about the new players that get the game and are immediately met with nothing, nothing to get help from and or learn from. But if there's gonna be a mod then so be it, they just better make it easy to mod it.

[earnest gorge]

Global chat exists in literally every other survival game ever made. It most certainly has a place in a survival game.

[wide locust]

yup I can agree on that.

[vestal rune]

there are guides for that, better onboarding(basically tutorials) will be added in the future

[silver zephyr]

that's moreso a problem with the game having no tutorials or explanations for its systems

[vestal rune]

it doesn't have a place in this one

plus most of those other survival games could have their global chat removed and not really lose much

[silver zephyr]

most of the reasons for global just end up being shit that should just be a standard feature, besides the communication which I can understand for an unofficial

[swift dew]

it really isnt up for debate, global is gone permanently (untill mods)

[wide locust]

not really? more of the fact for ease in running a server than anything and an option for that niche as an added bonus.

[earnest gorge]

It is up for debate because there’s no reason not to have it optional for community owned servers

Plus that’s the whole point of feedback discussion.

[warm flame]

what is being discussed here?

[swift dew]

it isnt though, the devs have made it VERY clear that it isnt coming back. you can debate all you want, it isnt coming back (untill mods)

[humble terrace]

global chat does more harm than good and makes isle feel more like a chat sim. it's distracting & abusable

[warm flame]

ah global chat

yeah no more global chat

let it stay that way

[earnest gorge]

The devs promised more options and admin tools for the game, and all they have done is take stuff away

[wide locust]

agreed

[vestal rune]

so you're totally ignoring how they added a bunch of admin tools in updates 1 and 2?

[warm flame]

^

[vestal rune]

and are also going to add some sort of ticket system to fix the issue that lack of global causes

[swift dew]

"all they have done is take stuff away"

[earnest gorge]

Admins currently can’t even guarantee being able to get people unstuck

[vestal rune]

can't admins teleport people?

[blazing charm]

@alpine oak https://steamcommunity.com/app/376210/discussions/14/2522527267219956411/ Give this a try.

[earnest gorge]

Only if they’re logged into the game

[swift dew]

duh, admins can't do anything if they aren't logged in. thats kinda how that works

[warm flame]

isn't that how it was before..?

[earnest gorge]

In legacy, if someone was stuck, they could log out so they didn’t die while waiting for an admin to get them unstuck, and the admins could teleport them without them being logged in.

Now they can’t even grow people who die to bugs or rule breaks on private servers either.

[vestal rune]

yes they can?

[swift dew]

im not ever sure what this has to do with global

[wide locust]

just hope they make it an option or easy to mod, simple as that. Cuz I just want something akin to it so fuckin mixpacking servers can still be a thing without a hassle of discord being a douche,

[earnest gorge]

It’s not a channel just for discussing global chat

[swift dew]

from my experience if the admin doesn't see the rulebreak occur, then they tell you do report it to the discord, so global makes no difference here

[vestal rune]

global will probably become a mod like, 5 days after mod support is added lmao

honestly wouldn't be surprised if the devs made it an official mod, but I don't think that'd happen

[earnest gorge]

If we get mod support anytime in the next 5 years

Would be nice tho

[vestal rune]

we will certainly get mod support in the next 5 years

[warm flame]

or just made an option so you can turn it on/off

[earnest gorge]

I see you’re an optimist Firefish

I hope you’re right

[vestal rune]

no, I just realistically don't see it taking that long

[swift dew]

dont hold your breath, there is still 50 ish animals they have to do, along with multiple mechanics to go with them. and I wouldn't be surprised if mods don't come until after the game comes out of EA

[warm flame]

if they even do mod support

[vestal rune]

I believe they said modding will come before that, I imagine they'll add mods after all the core shit is done like diets and perks

also they confirmed they'd do modding support

[warm flame]

oh ok good

[vestal rune]

shit I gotta ask punch how high modding is on their priority list next time he's in chat

[swift dew]

i would imagine pretty low

[vestal rune]

clearly not as important as diets or perks, but I could see it being more important then like adding velo or something

[warm flame]

I'd imagine pretty low
oh nvm the pig beat me to it

[alpine oak]

question what is vcruntime.dll? i didnt add that to the evrima download

[silk moat]

Should probably ask that in #🔧-evrima-troubleshooting-🔧

You’ll get more help

[rugged quarry]

@teal eagle legacy is literally unable to continue on, the code is fucked up. Evirma is the only way forward.

[barren zephyr]

literally, one of the big points with Deino is bringing suspense.
I can never go near a water source and think I'll be 100% safe (unless I know that server ONLY has me)

What you're experiencing is due to the lack of dinosaurs in Evrima, which is normal- everyone knows that.

Give the devs time, and everything about Evrima will destroy Legacy 10 fold

[potent ruin]

No poundin apex feet cause apex havent been added yet lol

[vestal rune]

omg guys evrima doesn't have rex so it's bad 😭

[brisk portal]

Official Sever 4 has a black screen bug for everyone (including me and my 4 friends) we tried restarting game and steam, everytime we join the server we just get black screen, nothing else.

[vestal rune]

does that happen for other servers? also which server 4 EU or NA?

[brisk portal]

4 EU

only for that one

[vestal rune]

weird, try reporting that