general-feedback-discussion

[paper oriole]

they are, but condors just look sinister

with their grody bald heads and massive wings

[barren zephyr]

Storks are scarier to me, but yea.

[paper oriole]

big boy

[barren zephyr]

Quetz is a creature of nightmares.

[paper oriole]

nocturnal quetz would be pretty 👌

[barren zephyr]

Yea, I'd say Cherry won the voting thing by a long shot.

[barren zephyr]

[paper oriole]

thinkin on the sauropod speeds... I wonder how fast atlasaurus walked

that dude would be freaky to see just speeding towards you with them long as legs and malicious intent

[barren zephyr]

Power Walking Sauropods

[paper oriole]

he's a very uncanny valley sauropod

[barren zephyr]

[hybrid matrix]

i wonder if we'll ever get an update that just focuses on game physics

[ashen elm]

Oh I had missed that. Upvoted it to support fellow whip-tail supporters! 😄

[molten tulip]

My only concern with playable sauropods is it becoming a raid boss sort of deal where every carnivore in the area shows up and attempts to spam bite it to death

[barren zephyr]

Like falling?

[hybrid matrix]

sorta
i mean more like momentum

[barren zephyr]

@ashen elm I prefer Bronto but what do you think on Diplo?

[hybrid matrix]

so if you're heavy enough and you're moving fast enough then u can push another dino over

sorta like carno charge

[ashen elm]

I like Diplo but both species are ridic long and prone to clipping. D. Carnegii is also a bit short and has easy neck shot for apex

If D. Carnegi was a bit taller and had a shorter tail it would be perfect

[barren zephyr]

Oh! I wanna see a Carno topple over when making a a quick turn

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

stuff like being able to dive and then glide up without using stam as a ptera

[barren zephyr]

I think there should be some key for carnivores to use to snap there jaws to the side and grab pesky pterosaurs.

Wouldn't always work but still.

[ashen elm]

I think they should be as much raid boss as Shant. Shant is big, around 16 tons, so Bronto or Cama are not that much bigger at 20-22 tons. 2-3 Gigas should still be able to bring them down. Just make them weak to bleed.

Rex and Spino not so much, because they were not adapted for hunting sauropods

[hybrid matrix]

wait, wut if falling animations were added (like how ptera has its wings up while falling)
so when u fall off a cliff, instead of just standing there while u fall, u actually look like ur falling

[barren zephyr]

Like if a Pachy hits you off a cliff

[hybrid matrix]

i feel like pachy will be able to generate enough force to shove an allo (not push it over, just shove it)

well

should

[barren zephyr]

Yea, that'd be awesome.

[ashen elm]

Size comparison between all the tallest herbivores in TI
https://imgur.com/cwAP8bM

[barren zephyr]

Would Cherry be on that chart?

[ashen elm]

Yea, it should be just a bit shorter than Theri iirc

[hybrid matrix]

ooh wut if grabbing was a thing for other carnivores other than deino?
not lunging or picking up, but a regular bite that acts like a grab
so you can battle your opponent and eat away at their stam while they try to escape (at the price of losing stam while being latched on)

[paper oriole]

theri is an omnivore, to be fair

[barren zephyr]

Really?

[paper oriole]

yeah he eats fish

o wait i mean cheeirus

[ashen elm]

Cherry I think you mean lol

[barren zephyr]

What family is Cherry?

[hybrid matrix]

same as theri i think

[barren zephyr]

It's either same a Theri or Galli I think

[ashen elm]

Dienocherius is a ornithomimid (closer to Galli than Theri actually)
Therizinosaurus is a therizinosaur

[barren zephyr]

The More You Know

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i wasnt too sure about them being in the same family

[paper oriole]

cherry eats fish and wate rplants probably, so he would be shunned from the fat tall herbi gang

[ashen elm]

Just like Galli, but Galli already has bad reputation in Legacy xD

[paper oriole]

though actually, with galli eating eggs in evrima, i gotta wonder if theri will be an omni

[hybrid matrix]

hmm
wut other physics things would be interesting additions to the game.....

ooh

rapids

[barren zephyr]

Is that Cherry discrimination I see?

[paper oriole]

yes

[hybrid matrix]

well

not JUST rapids

but currents

OOH AND RIPTIDES

[swift dew]

we (the cherries) don't even want to be in your fat tall herbi gang

[barren zephyr]

@hybrid matrix Slipping on rocky waterfalls or muddy cliffs during rain and plummeting to your death

[hybrid matrix]

this is why u should always avoid ledges

[barren zephyr]

That sauropod suggestion makes me very happy

[paper oriole]

how about fat bastards starting to sink and move slower if they stand on mud for too long

[hybrid matrix]

if u got too close to that drop then dont complain bc y would u ever wanna be near a cliff?

[barren zephyr]

Especially the muddy ones

[hybrid matrix]

depends on how deep the mud goes

b4 it just turns to dirt

[barren zephyr]

The bigger they are the faster/farther they sink.

[hybrid matrix]

if its just some surface level mud then nah

[paper oriole]

shoreline mud probably wouldnt do too much, but in like swamps/bogs/marshes and mud fields if those happen, it could do more

[hybrid matrix]

but if it goes deep then yes please

[white rune]

Some are too big to sink in

like giant theropods

sauropods

[hybrid matrix]

not full submersion

[paper oriole]

would probably go up to their knees or thighs

at max

unless it's a specific hazard zone

[hybrid matrix]

just getting ur feet deep

[white rune]

apexes except possibly Trike, Stego and Anky

[barren zephyr]

Anky may have some trouble there...

[paper oriole]

i could see anky benefitting from it, stego's fat ass would definitely sink some

[white rune]

Anky would drown in deep mud

kekw

[paper oriole]

isn't anky speculated to have dug holes for itself now? not like burrows, just ditches

[white rune]

a Mongolian Ankylosaur

[barren zephyr]

Minmi

[paper oriole]

it could be somewhat similar to minmi's mud cover

[white rune]

not Minmi Cerato

there is an Ankylosaur who did that

[hybrid matrix]

ok so we have sinking into mud, riptides, slipping in mud, rapids, momentum/energy transfer, so wut other physics hazards are there

[paper oriole]

no no, minmi was shown doing it in his concept so he right

[white rune]

but it would have been for looking for food

[barren zephyr]

O, thought he meant ingame.

[paper oriole]

talking both in game and irl

[white rune]

This unnamed guy

[barren zephyr]

Gastonia?

[hybrid matrix]

rn u cant go under taller dinos than u, right? like even if u fit under their belly u cant get under

[paper oriole]

man i wish we got a good fatass anky like that

so thicc

[urban flax]

That would require to adjust their hitboxes, but I don't think it's too much of a hassle

It's just not needed etm because there aren't very tall dinos yet

[white rune]

No, a recently described unnamed Ankylosaur

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/bIIsIQa2_dg4R041TKeOMvQ3AnC5jAeENvodBBSv1MQ/%3Fwidth%3D1440%26height%3D500/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/646188652333891595/827274790044827709/image0.png?width=921&height=320

also

pseudo apex Abelisaur

kekw

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno its a simple thing, i just wanted to kno if it was in or not

[barren zephyr]

Yea, just did a little research and you are right.

[urban flax]

There's also a problem with some of the hitboxes height, a Utah can't jump over a deino

[barren zephyr]

Are Acro and Deino considered Apexes? Or just Large?

[white rune]

For devs they are large

and

apexes are large too

[urban flax]

Deino isnt, I think Acro isn't either

They're pseudo-apexes

[hybrid matrix]

technically midtiers, but theyre like the upper end of midtier

[white rune]

For devs there are only 3 tiers

[hybrid matrix]

yeah

[urban flax]

Known apexes so far are rex, giga, spino, trike, anky... and theri ?

[white rune]

Large
Mid
Small

that what devs say

but

imo

[barren zephyr]

Any other Pseudo Apexes?

[white rune]

it could be this

[urban flax]

That I can think of ? Stego, Alberto, Sucho

[barren zephyr]

Rlly?! I thought Stego was an Apex

[urban flax]

It's a debate

[hybrid matrix]

uhhhh para if its a big boi

[barren zephyr]

I don't think it is now, but in the future it seems likely.

[urban flax]

Oh Shantung deserves to be an apex too

[barren zephyr]

It is.

[urban flax]

Good to know

[white rune]

My size ranges :
Titans (12000 - 30000)
Apexes (6000 - 12000)
Pseudo Apexes (4000 - 6000)
Large mid tiers (2000 - 4000)
Small mid tiers (1000-2000)
Smalls (100-1000)
Tiny (-100kg)

[urban flax]

Although the name "apex" seems weird for herbie species

[barren zephyr]

Shant is a tank

What's Carno then?

[urban flax]

mid tier

[hybrid matrix]

if u mean that bc its unnerving then thats a good thing bc the point of the game is to be unnerving

[hybrid matrix]

low end of the spectrum tho

wut version r u playing

ur not being forced to, its just that grouping is a proven survival strat, so ppl like to group up, it just means that u should either get better at fighting solo, or u should find someone to group with

wut dino

oh thank god you didnt say deino

[swift dew]

i mean your a utah. grouping up is kinda its whole thing

[hybrid matrix]

ig not many ppl r feelin like playin as utah

yeah its a drag

same amount of ppl

[swift dew]

it will be the same if not more

[hybrid matrix]

i dont have money to bet on so either way i'd lose nothing

[icy lion]

@forest crescent ankylosaurus already has a model, and please don't use that channel for questions

[forest crescent]

o sorry!

[icy lion]

lemme see if i can find a picture of it

all good!

[forest crescent]

it's in legacy, but it'll be in the new evrima?

[icy lion]

yup

everything from legacy is coming back except for pue

[paper oriole]

Good news: anky is coming
Bad news:

[icy lion]

yeaa

we need a flat side view

i dont like the angles we get

[paper oriole]

He looks like the virgin meme

[forest crescent]

Not as badass as in the movies or the jurassic park strat game but I'm just glad he made the cut haha

[paper oriole]

Dude looks like a boulder fell on his back and dented his spine lmao

[barren zephyr]

What's worse is that it doesn't actually have true ankylosaur plating unlike Minmi

Firstly, Ankylosaurs don't have plating, they just have osteoderms

[paper oriole]

He looks like he was evolved to have a saddle strapped to him

I personally dont mind them being creative and adding plating and thicc skin sleeves, but its just way too dented and scrappy looking

[paper oriole]

He should at least look robust, which can be done while having plates, but ours looks depressed and slouched

[barren zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400748347251621888/835371034861502464/image0.png

[paper oriole]

Yes those boys have good smooth rounded backs

Very beautiful, very powerful

[barren zephyr]

Anky did have some funny bony arm scales, but it certainly did not have weird segmented armour.

[forest crescent]

A spiky anky would look cool

[paper oriole]

If they just smoothed his back into a proper round shape the segmented armour wouldnt look half as bad

[forest crescent]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/jurassicpark/images/c/cd/Anklyosaurus_header_copia.png/revision/latest?cb=20180421015542 maybe a little too over the top but man who would want to bite that? haha

[barren zephyr]

Except anky probably was not spiky. The armour was somewhat rounded, and spikiness is a bigger thing among the Ankylosaurs without clubs.

[barren zephyr]

JW anky is horrendous. Floppy dragging tail, and a weird ability to run.

[paper oriole]

Not a fan of that anky either it looks like juvenile with that anatomy lol

Has nice spikes tho

[barren zephyr]

Saurian did a better job, that's the end of that.

[paper oriole]

Yes their anky is chonk

[forest crescent]

I hope stat wise the evrima anky will be better than legacy

they're pretty underpowered in legacy

[paper oriole]

Proper potato shape

[forest crescent]

but they're my favourite dino

[paper oriole]

Theyre mainly underpowered in legacy because no bb and the armour is nonexistent

[carmine path]

Anky<Allo

[worn pumice]

How did they mess up anky so bad

It’s like a rhino

[paper oriole]

Idk i dont think they like anky so they turned him into a manmal

[carmine path]

Why anky look like a damn yellow jacket

Not the isle model ik that btw

[molten tulip]

The main issue is anky is really hard to animate as a 3d model

The jw one has really weirdly long legs to get around that, the isle rn is trying to get around it by changing the armor entirely

[paper oriole]

I get that but like... why the back gotta be caved in tho

It can have a rounded back and still be segmented

[carmine path]

I think it is just plates pressed atop of each other

[molten tulip]

Probably so it doesn't look like a static table with legs flopping around under it

Rhino anky is really strange and sad looking but theyre doing what they can so far

[carmine path]

We could just say it is a GMO made to have better armour and was implemented by the creators of Anky

Or reviving anky

@gritty aspen explain why stego needs to be nerded in your suggestion

[paper oriole]

Like cmon man

Give the round

[odd sedge]

Haha cockroach

[paper oriole]

It really does

[carmine path]

Sees anky
Carni Mains:
Herbi Mains:

[paper oriole]

Hey carni mains are getting bobblehead alberto and alien bird austro

Those combined are as bad as the anky

[worn pumice]

Thank god i main trike they better not fuck trike either

[carmine path]

Austro is for special isle players that have the attention span of a squirrel

Change mind

[paper oriole]

I hope they fix trike rn he looks like a far dog

[carmine path]

Post a picture of his model

[paper oriole]

Would be nice

[carmine path]

Just me or did Legacy Trike horns look small af

[paper oriole]

Partially because their body is too long it makes the horns look too small

[worn pumice]

The head should be 1/3 of the entire animal

[paper oriole]

So i hope they fix trike model, but spare it the ‘creative liberties’ that anky and austro got

[worn pumice]

Yes

I rly hope it goes like the shant

A good upgrade

[paper oriole]

Shant, kentro and proto look good af

[odd sedge]

ExcuuUUUUUUuuse me?
What's wrong with my beloved giggle chicken?

[carmine path]

Loser chicken

[paper oriole]

The austro is the bin chicken of the isle

[odd sedge]

Giggles tho

[carmine path]

Alberto stands strong 💪🏽

[paper oriole]

Austro

[carmine path]

Welp im going into a dead zone 😑

Good bye my isle friends

[paper oriole]

Fare thee well

[odd sedge]

Giggle chickens

[merry roost]

wtf i thought i turned it off, my b

[barren zephyr]

Y'know what, at this point I have come to terms with the anky design, it likely won't be changed so might as well roll with what we have. At least it doesn't look like arks anky

[merry roost]

i enjoy the concept of it

but for anky it feels off

[barren zephyr]

I can agree

[merry roost]

atleast more of a hefty vibe

[paper oriole]

Yeah i can hate the isle anky and spino all i want but they aint gettin fixed i can just hope for mods to save them later

[barren zephyr]

With the with the addition of puertasaurus I think they should add mapusaurus, one of the only known dinos that could actually kill one

[paper oriole]

Puerta is dropped

[barren zephyr]

Oh damn

[paper oriole]

Mapu is a giga clone too

Can get giga and acro packs to hunt brachi instead

Mapusaurus and Carchardontosaurus could be species skins in the far future maybe but they are pretty much just gigas from different locations

[merry roost]

current roster for sauropod and their counters is fine imo, acro is a little bit to chunky to my liking but they both sauropod hunters

same with allo, they brawled with diplos

[barren zephyr]

Mapus can get way bigger though so I think it’d still make a nice addition

[paper oriole]

Mapu and giga are both 40-45ft dinos

[barren zephyr]

Mapus can get up to 60

[paper oriole]

Same size, same hunting habits

lol what where did you read mapu gets to 60 feet

[merry roost]

what the-

thats not

more like 10-13 meters

[paper oriole]

60 foot mapu lol how would that even function

[merry roost]

so about 30-40

[paper oriole]

All the three bigboy carchardontosaurs reached 40-45

[merry roost]

if mapu gets added its gonna be a copy paste of the gigaunless somone can proove me wrong

[paper oriole]

I googled all three after you said 60ft

It is 40-45

Carchar has a 46 estimate but thats like 1 foot difference lol

[barren zephyr]

Do you know where I can find the dinos they are already planning to add to the beta

Is it just all the same ones?

[merry roost]

the road map

[barren zephyr]

Appreciate it

[gritty aspen]

Stego is too OP it needs to be nerfed

[warm flame]

stego's fine, if it wasn't for stego then deinos would be broken

if anything stego should be made stronger since it's so small

[paper oriole]

How about you give valid reasons stego should be nerfed instead of just “nerf it” (even though it doesn't need a merf)

[warm flame]

also Imma just say that the six hour cooldown is ridiculous, I've already made a troodon edit lmao

[modest cosmos]

smaller map be nice been playing for 4 hours as a petra in a full server only ran into 1 other player

the game about surviving other players but can never find anyone XD wayyyy to easy

[warm flame]

just go to center, plenty of people there

[modest cosmos]

would if I could find it XD new to the game so navigation skills lacking

not exactually like i have a minimap or nothing to see where I am lol

[old schooner]

anyone having an issue with no servers loading in qa?

[modest cosmos]

servers down right now

[old schooner]

Ah ok

is it planned, is there an eta?

[modest cosmos]

ya just got booted off of mine and dunno

@old schooner #830660455487373352 message

[old schooner]

was about to try out a stego for the first time haha

fair enough! sounds like they'll be down for a little while then

[modest cosmos]

@barren zephyr #830660455487373352 message

[lilac bolt]

@slow zealot it might be fixed in the future just takes time

[warm flame]

@barren zephyr I don't think they meant that it's restricted for inviting steam friends, but I do agree that you shouldn't have to be invited to the nest to be nested and be able to select a nest

[brave nova]

@barren zephyr There is an "egg" button on the character selection screen. I bet that will do exactly what you're asking for.

[barren zephyr]

Ok they just phrased it really weird on the card

[modest cosmos]

why isn't tab working to see players?

[hybrid matrix]

thats not a feature anymore

unless ur talking about legacy

in which case this is the wrong channel and u should go to #🔧-legacy-troubleshooting-🔧

[modest cosmos]

no im in the stress test

[hybrid matrix]

yeah thats never been a feature in evrima

[modest cosmos]

I'm new to the game so going off of google

[hybrid matrix]

ah, then ur looking at the legacy controls

should look at ur keybinds to see wut the controls r

[modest cosmos]

which are also the controls in the current beta

[hybrid matrix]

sorta

[modest cosmos]

says TAB for players

[hybrid matrix]

thats in legacy

not in evrima

its never been a feature in evrima

[modest cosmos]

ik but says that in evrima

[hybrid matrix]

ok well im telling u, with over a year of experience, legacy has the playerlist, not evrima

[modest cosmos]

kk then how do I add people to a group?

[hybrid matrix]

u find them and u 2call

if they 2call back then ur in a group

[modest cosmos]

oh

[hybrid matrix]

if they 3call back then they dont wanna be grouped
dont take it as a sign of aggression if u just sent them an invite

oh also

no global or group

as in the chats

[modest cosmos]

?

ah

ah only been playing 3 hrs and not like the game tells u any of this lol

[hybrid matrix]

yeah ik

best way to learn the controls is just by logging in and then pressing a bunch of buttons

[modest cosmos]

also no night vision in evrima?

[hybrid matrix]

not yet

[modest cosmos]

ah

[hybrid matrix]

but thats coming soon

[modest cosmos]

ah kk

[hybrid matrix]

@strange wave @midnight verge wut should i change?

[modest cosmos]

welp new issue found all of a sudden my Pteradon forgot how to fly

[hybrid matrix]

fixes are a small fall or swim for less than a second

[strange wave]

remove 3 and 6, the rest are already coming

[modest cosmos]

ah welp i dead anyways lmao Pteradon can't survive unless it can fly so a croc got me XD

[hybrid matrix]

y 3 and 6?

also thats all coming?

[hybrid matrix]

wuts wrong with 3 and 6?

[strange wave]

i really dont like the idea of large animals getting punished for walking on terrain they literally cant avoid/ need to use to stop bleeding

and grabs shouldnt be universal

[midnight verge]

mud slipping/sinking just seems so unecesarry

[hybrid matrix]

not especially punishing, it'd only slow u down a small amount

[hybrid matrix]

eh, thought it'd be neat, but if its unnecessary then i'll remove it

[hybrid matrix]

its more like latching on than grabbing

[strange wave]

still removing unique abilities from rex, deino, utah, and allo
all confirmed to have grabs as their specials

[hybrid matrix]

eh, alright

although i'd rather replace it with another ability than just get rid of a 5th mechanic entirely

[rose peak]

poo poo stinky add t-rex

[paper oriole]

T rex stinky

[rose peak]

true poo poo

[lapis owl]

what code language does the isle use?

[molten tulip]

c++ I think

Iirc unreal also has a visual language but idk to what extent they use it

[paper oriole]

pteranodon isnt supposed to be an active predator

[small gyro]

@quaint lotus just kill other pteranodons

[paper oriole]

you can also harass small deinos

just be a dick until somebody lands a lucky hit on you, that's something to do

[quaint lotus]

Even that is difficult to do because if you collide with them in the air and fall too hard, you're dead.

I end up getting so bored that I drop fish for carnos and raptors just to see if they'll be somewhat friendly

[brave nova]

ptera is more of a spectator role, really. Pretty chill experience with hardly any danger and a good view of everything going on. If you evaluate every dino on it's ability to kill things ptera is shit of course, but it has its perks. I mean I agree ptera is boring in the long run, don't get me wrong, but it's a nice change of pace once in a while.

[quaint lotus]

Yeah I agree the spectator part can be entertaining, but I often find myself just letting something kill me so that I can swap over to something that can actually kill other dinos.

[brave nova]

Well you have to commit seppuku at some time, or you'd be stuck with it, ptera is OP. I think it's a good niche though, not every dino has to be a brawler.

[cyan flame]

I'd say that's reasonable, not every playable will suit you, and both ptera and deino are very niche playables. You'd probably enjoy the bigger fliers coming down the road if you still want to fly but also peck things to death or something.

[brave nova]

Although, that said I have on more than one occasion seen pteras refreshing bleed on stegos and effectively giving them the killing blow.

[fallow hill]

The movie has cool map concept ideas the nesting ground at the start of the film is also pretty cool.

[barren zephyr]

@fresh pelican

First idea is awful, hypsi isnt meant to outrun things, its meant to juke or jump onto high places

thats just ruining the whole point of it and making it a generic dyro clone

7th idea is also just bad

its not fun to be unable to see for 20 seconds

with that change, you now allow hypsis to troll other herbivores even harder

The others are fine though but dont addresses the main issue

hypsi is shit at the one thing its supposed to be good at (jumping)

All hypsi needs is a buff to 40 kmh, heavily reduced stamina consumption for jumping, and the changes you listed for the spit to feel worth growing

I think a 25/30 minute growth time would be fine

[left nacelle]

@dapper terrace iirc, schooling fish are meant to be basically useless for deino, hence why they give so little food. Deino's meant to be hard to grow and it's already too easy as it is imo

[paper oriole]

Deino's main theeat is cannibalism rn, imagine how easy it will be when there are more water sources and the deino population is lower

Plus less competition for fish as a side effect

[dapper terrace]

There's 11 unique radius' where elite fish spawn. And baby deino can't compete with adults over food. They need something to eat. And schooling fish taking them to 20% growth doesn't seem OP to me. Just spreads them out more.

[left nacelle]

I never really have issues finding food as baby deino. Elite fish are decently common. Plus it's pretty common to find corpses near water

And as Punch put it, surviving as a juvy deino is supposed to be hell

[fresh pelican]

@barren zephyr

Don't know what sort of beef you seem to have but alrighty xD 1. I stated that everything I listed was simply food for thought, temporary solutions or simply might be worth a discussion etc 2. I addressed the trolling concern. 3. If hypsis are meant to be jumpers like you said (and I don't doubt it), they wouldn't be a "dryo clone" even if they received a speed buff. Besides, jumping onto things is not an option when you have utahs in pursuit. While I do agree that jumping for hypsis needs to be improved, it's mostly the collisions on trees etc that need major work. Until that happens, hypsis can't reliably jump. Also why further increase the amount of stam jumping uses? It's already at 2-3 jumps that leaves a hypsi drained. 4. I didn't say 20 seconds...? I doubt that the blindness takes that long to clear up on its own. The devs wouldn't let one creature cause another to be at that level of vulnerability for that long. If it truly is, then maybe 10 seconds will do. But again, no creature should be thought of as "free food" and attacking anything as any creature should require some level of thought and consideration

[barren zephyr]

beef? I was just saying I dislike your idea

[barren zephyr]

the point is that hypsi isnt meant to be speedy

just play dyro if you want to be a speedster

[barren zephyr]

also I said reduce the stamina consumption, not increase

[barren zephyr]

it takes a LONG time for the blur effect to go away on its own to, making it so you’re stuck like that is just not fun

and hypsi doesnt need it

its already invisible in a dense jungle

[barren zephyr]

and hypsi already requires thought to kill

any good hypsi player can juke a carnivore in a forest

[barren zephyr]

also you didnt address them

sure “anti troll” measures can be added but thats extra work to a bad idea that is a bandaid fix

hypsis concept is already good, no need to change it.

Just improve on it instead of removing everything unique about it and making it “smaller dyro” even more then it already is

[barren zephyr]

dyro and hypsi would literally function the same in the ecosystem if we went with your idea lol

hypsi could also use a real climbing mechanic

[barren zephyr]

also the reason it takes long is because your meant to GET RID OF IT by holding E

[icy lion]

try not to ping them so much

[barren zephyr]

Got it

[barren zephyr]

when you remove that, of course it throws things out of balance

and the amount of time it takes to get rid of the blur is more then enough for hypsi to escape

by the way kiwi, sorry if I came off as condescending, wasn’t my intention.

[fresh pelican]

1. There are more ways to provide constructive feedback or express disagreement without saying an idea is "bad" or "awful"... 2. Dryo is supposed to be a juker/dodger, not a speeder. 4-5. Hypsi requires no thought. Just "run after it and bite until a hit lands, boom a meal". Any hypsi can momentarily juke a carni in a jungle, but again the carni will be able to sniff and track it down very quickly. 6. By "anti-troll" measures I meant moreso tweaks to its stats, as any stat change (not talking just about hypsi spit here, literally any stat for any dino) may have unintended consequences. And that's what I was doing, improving its concept. Note that most of my thoughts about hypsi have been about its spit, but that doesn't mean its other stats can't change. 7. Hypsi and dryo don't function the same. Hypsi is meant to be a jungle dweller, dryo moreso versatile in either plains or jungle rn (correct me if I'm wrong). Note too that with the diets system, they could end up with completely different predators. Also I'd be down with a climbing mechanic once it's introduced. Tbh if it was easier to jump on trees (improved tree collision) in the spur of the moment, chase etc that would be huge. 8. Another reason why the spit mechanic is useless rn. Jungles do have grassy patches; it could encourage carnis to consider their surroundings. And that's why I said maybe the blindness time should be lowered if introduced. And again, once they do get rid of the blindness, regardless of how long it takes, the hypsi's tracks will be right there for the carni to sniff out. Rn, if a hypsi is spotted, it's dead. Sure it can juke, attempt to hide or spit, but eventually the carni will catch it

And I appreciate you stating that, thank you.

[barren zephyr]

eh, you have your opinion I have mine

agree to disagree

[forest crescent]

Do we know when the evrima ankylosaurus is going to be worked on?

[worn pumice]

nope

[ashen elm]

Maybe a controversial opinion, but I think the tree trunks should stay. I sort of see them as "speedbumps" against larger dinosaurs since animals like Utah, Teno and now Pachy should be able to jump over them.

Especially Carno who has no business being in forests but still see way too often.

Though I do hope they add more utility in the future. They have potential for food spots for AI insects and hidey-holes if they somehow get them to work.

[odd sedge]

Grazing is already in the game

[burnt wasp]

The 3 people that put an X on My suggestion are Utah mains

I am fine with ponds/springs on mountains but it should be hard to get to as anything that can't fly. There is a reason the rivers are all connected and that is so Deinos have a chance to eat those that need water.

[odd sedge]

Yes I get that. I don't mean things that are like as big as Maias or Paras to be vibing up there.
I mean small things that can get up there with a lot of effort, like Pachy, Utah Hypsi and stuff that can jump quite well.
And even then, it should still be risky, since if you fall, you are dead. You'd have to pay a lot of attention, same as going to a river where Deinos might lurk

[graceful kestrel]

is there mods on official servers?

admins*

[urban flax]

@twilit nacelle 2 things. This channel is not the right one to ask questions, but whatever.
Second, yes, validating the game files is the fist thing you should do when your game crashes for no visible reason. They should also check if their specs meet the game requirements, and if verifying the game files didn't work, try uninstalling and reinstalling the game.

[wintry monolith]

@tranquil frost dont forget nesting wich is a big part of herd life

[tranquil frost]

Yes, nesting is also one of the best gameplay features

[delicate tulip]

Pteranodon stam is fine @gritty aspen you just need to learn to conserve it more, an adult can cross the map without taking a break and a juvi is a juvi so ofc it's gonna have less stam as a juvi is meant to be new to flying, hell hatchlings wouldn't even be able to fly so it makes perfect sense that Juvis have poor stam

[velvet sundial]

It's enough to survive, but not to do some nice stuff in the air (more than gliding)

[urban flax]

Too bad ptera is a glider and not a swallow

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial you do the "nice stuff" when your adult, like I explained, Juvis are new flyers so ofc they are the way they are, an adult is an expert flyer so it's gonna be better in the air and in turn have more stam

It also only takes an hour go grow and it takes even less time to get decent stam, you wait 15 minutes and you can do those "nice things" for a period of time

That logic could also be used for every other juvi, "oh no juvi carno, utah etc can't be as great as the adults, no fair" that's what that logic sounds like

[tranquil frost]

Pteras stamina is good enough for me, it can cross the entire map without spending 50% of it's stamina, you just have to learn how to control it

[delicate tulip]

^^

Literally every juvi has to do all the less exciting things whilst it grows, juvi ptera should be no different

[velvet sundial]

Even adults can't fly very long. Unless they take off from a mountain, but I think many people expect a flyer instead of a glider. The air is still a dead space. All pteras stay as close to the ground as possible

[urban flax]

That's because their food is on the ground

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial did you just ignore everything else that was said? It can cross the map without a break, hell it can hunt in the process of doing that, what the hell are you doing that's causing you to lose all that stam?

I've stayed aloft for ages pecking utahs, carnos and deinos all at the same time lmao

[velvet sundial]

Yeah hunting AI flyers while being hunted by the quetz is not worth it

[urban flax]

As others said, adult ptera's stam is perfectly fine. It can stay in the air longer than deino can stay in water, it is the fastest playable and can reach mountain tops in practically no effort.

[delicate tulip]

Once again it comes down to poor stam management, I hate to use the phrase but...get good

[urban flax]

What the hell do you mean ? Do you expect pteras to fly high to reach Ai flyers that aren't in-game yet and avoid quetz that isn't in-game yet either ?

[velvet sundial]

I'm very good at it but I still hate how low it is

[urban flax]

It's like expecting utahs to bite the tracks of stego herds to steal eggs

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial obviously you're not good with it if it's as bad as you're making it out to be, like I said, I could stay in the air for 10 minutes straight doing all the "nice stuff" lol

[worn pumice]

personally i find it easier to see quetz having more stam then ptera as its main food source isnt fish

so it needs to constantly travel large distances

which u can already do with ptera anyways

[delicate tulip]

Also the devs made it abundantly clear that ptera wasn't some jet fighter that's designed to merk things, it's been said multiple times that's it's more of a glider, the quetz/hatz will be the true aerial hunters

[velvet sundial]

I've many hours of ptera experience. It's my favourite, actually. Have caught more than 100 fishes, crossed the map many times and flew as high as the volumetric clouds. Still hate how low the stamina is

[worn pumice]

ptera is a small fisher and a glider so it doesnt need much

[hybrid matrix]

fun fact
u can fly as a fresh spawn ptera for up to 6-7 minutes

i kno bc ive done it

[velvet sundial]

If that's the only things we want

[urban flax]

Well you can take off as a juvie and land as an adult

[worn pumice]

thats literally the only things u would want

lol

[hybrid matrix]

i was gliding downhill, but wut counts is that i had enough stam to adjust my altitude for 7 whole minutes

[urban flax]

That's the only thing we want.

[worn pumice]

why else would u pick ptera if not for gliding or fishing

its not for combat

[velvet sundial]

You obviously haven't played BOB

[hybrid matrix]

learning the map

[urban flax]

There's also the fact that ptera needs to land for balance reasons

[worn pumice]

i have and theose pteras r absolutley ridiculous

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial then idk what to say, if you can do all that but still think it needs more then idk

[hybrid matrix]

BoB is a game where a small flyer can pick up a sauropod

[worn pumice]

BoB's pteras r the pinnacle of what not to do

[urban flax]

This is the exact same reason it doesn't regenerate stamina when gliding and never will

[worn pumice]

i saw a ptera pick up a mosa

like bruh

[hybrid matrix]

[worn pumice]

baLanCe

[velvet sundial]

We don't speak about that right now. We speak about stamina

[worn pumice]

u brought it up

[hybrid matrix]

ptera is fine the way it is lmao

well

its stam is fine

it def needs momentum

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial you literally brought BoB up...dear god the idiocy

[worn pumice]

imo ptera is probably one of the best additions so far

its actually quite balanced

[tranquil frost]

Lmao, do you really want to use BoB as a reference to be followed

[hybrid matrix]

its like teno
both r very balanced

[worn pumice]

^

even deino is quite balanced it just needs much better rivers and pls fix its hitboxes and physics

[hybrid matrix]

oh yes
it definitely needs a better hitbox

[delicate tulip]

If you want a flyer that can merk things then either wait for Quetz/hatz or go play BoB seeing as you brought it up

[worn pumice]

i managed to fend off 4 adults yesterday as a stego just becuz they kept missing bites they shouldnt have

they rly need to fix it same with its physics

so ur not able to literally stand inside the deino

[velvet sundial]

If you hate everything about it, good luck keeping the isles ptera as far from it as possible. It will be limiting, I say

[worn pumice]

i mean its quite far from it

[urban flax]

Maybe just keep The Isle's ptera as it is ?

That's not like it needs any changes

[hybrid matrix]

with the addition of momentum

[delicate tulip]

Wait what, that's makes no sense lmao@velvet sundial

[hybrid matrix]

1 change
momentum

[urban flax]

yep

[worn pumice]

it has much lower stam, good for fishing wink wink and it does very low dmg and has low hp

[sand oar]

What do you mean by momentum?

[worn pumice]

yea agreed momentum would be nice

[hybrid matrix]

diving down and using the speed to effortlessly shoot up without using stam

until u lose all ur momentum and u start using stam

[worn pumice]

basically when u go down u should be able to gain altitude going up as well if u went down but as of rn u lose stam if u try n go up again

[sand oar]

Rn you gain speed.

[velvet sundial]

If the ptera eats healthy stuff, he deserves more stamina. When dirts arrive

Diets

[worn pumice]

or u could just keep pteras stam the same as its perfectly fine as is

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but u cant use that speed to gain altitude

[velvet sundial]

Lol everything deserves better ability if it eats healthy

[worn pumice]

i mean if u eat healthy and do things ur supposed to u should grow faster and if u die as an elder u'll get perks

[urban flax]

I'm pretty sure devs said diets and perks won't change stats

[worn pumice]

^

glad they wont actually as that'd be hard to balance

[velvet sundial]

Ok then, the isle stays an unfair troll game

[sand oar]

+5% more damage etc would be a balance nightmare

[worn pumice]

^ this

or the opposite -5% if u didnt do things

[urban flax]

explain how.

[worn pumice]

how

[hybrid matrix]

remember that bug from when evrima first dropped where if u ran around a lot while growing, as an adult, it'd say u had a stronger biteforce than the base biteforce?
it was just visual, not an actual improvement to ur stats, but i feel like little things like running around every now and then should improve things like stam drain, or speed

[tranquil frost]

really? wtf

[hybrid matrix]

like passive perks that arent a huge increase

[urban flax]

meh

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial you literally want the ptera to stay up in the air forever which would mean a shit ton of trolls would take advantage of that, the fact you can't see the irony in your statement shows how stupid you are lmao

[hybrid matrix]

so like a 1% speed buff and a slightly slower stam drain

[urban flax]

The fact you need to run around or do that kind of thing to optimize your dino seems silly

[hybrid matrix]

its literally exercise

[worn pumice]

these as perks would be nice instead of changing say the stamina itself u might get a perk that says +10% faster stam regen

thats a cool idea

[urban flax]

If it's so low, there is no reason to implement it
apart for same-species fight

[sand oar]

@delicate tulip no need to insult each other.

[velvet sundial]

If stats aren't changed, herds will stay strong and keep bodyguarding

[worn pumice]

what

what do stats have to do with body guarding

[hybrid matrix]

ah so i dont have to make it so small
i was worried that if i made it too large then u guys wouldnt like it

[urban flax]

But if they can get stat changes it will stop ?

There is just no logic in this

[urban flax]

I don't like it when it's large either

I don't want to have to run in circles for two hours to have a competitive dino

[velvet sundial]

Read my suggestion in balance feedback yesterday. Explains everything

[hybrid matrix]

well yeah i dont mean like 10% buffs, i mean that i was worried smthn like 5% might be too much

[urban flax]

And I even less want to be slower than someone else just because I ran in circles less than them

[worn pumice]

already read it nor but it doesnt rly make sense

[hybrid matrix]

ok so exercise

[urban flax]

I've probably already read it and put an X under it, but let's read it again I have nothing else to do after all

[velvet sundial]

For the wrong reasons, probably

[worn pumice]

first of all u said this right "A lonely stego is an easy target for carnivore packs. Two or more good carnivore players and the stego will be dead" this is untrue as ur not taking into account if the stego itself is a good player

[urban flax]

I'm also worried that keeping tracks of "xp bars" (that's what they are) for dinos different abilities may be a useless load for servers

@velvet sundial Is it the stego suggestion ?

[hybrid matrix]

isnt that just keeping track of perks tho?
this is essentially a perk

[tranquil frost]

Do you expect a solo carno to be able to hunt 5 stegos? Of course herds should be stronger, if you want to attack them you have to play as a group

[urban flax]

But it's separate from perks, and as such requires an additionnal mechanic and additionnal counters

[velvet sundial]

You might be able to kill bad carnos as a good herbivore. But we also have bad players and good carnos to deal with

Stego*

[green glen]

the only thing that doesnt make sense, is that you can only group with 6 pteras

[worn pumice]

good stegos exist and u should find them

[green glen]

and utahs can be 15

and utahs are way stronger

[urban flax]

But Utahs need to be a lot to survive

Pteras don't

[green glen]

if it was 15 pteras circling you, they are actually a danger

[velvet sundial]

And herds that just eat grass to keep bodyguarding

[worn pumice]

when diets r implemented they wont waste time doing that anymore

[green glen]

i still think a group of 6 is a too little for pteras

[urban flax]

Yeah probably

Or 15 is too high for Utahs

[green glen]

but they are almost perfect the way they are

[urban flax]

But all these numbers are subject to change after all

[green glen]

well, 6 is regardless too little for 50 bite force imo

[worn pumice]

10-12 pteras r fine imo

[urban flax]

Pteras aren't fighters

[velvet sundial]

I hope so

[sand oar]

8 for Utah rn.

[hybrid matrix]

here's a counter
if u exercise too much u get sick, just like irl

[worn pumice]

that could be abused tho

[delicate tulip]

They're body guarding now because it's only a test, there's no rules and anything can go dude so you point is irrelevant seeing as rule servers will ban body guarding and all the other toxic crap going on in the QA @velvet sundial

[worn pumice]

what if u constantly run around and then vomit becuz of it?

[urban flax]

I mean counter like in countdown
Damn english is such a poor language

[hybrid matrix]

counter as in like a clock????

[urban flax]

Yes

[hybrid matrix]

oh

well i mean
it'd be like 5% better stam, so there's not much to count

[worn pumice]

also dont forget theres tons of toxic stegos mainly becuz big fat dino is stronk so ppl pick it

[velvet sundial]

Rules are stupid. When a herd member dies, the rest should move on because they can't eat from that pkace forever

[delicate tulip]

@worn pumice also that, diets and the other core features will reduce this kind of behaviour alongside extra rules

[worn pumice]

ye

[urban flax]

There's all the way up from 0% to 100% of that bonus

Unless you get the full bonus the second you start running

[hybrid matrix]

or u could make it so that theres a 100% bonus but u can only get up to 5% of it

[sand oar]

Mechanics > rules. Forget rules.

[urban flax]

Deosn't change anything, this is not how a game works xD

[worn pumice]

ive had the most fun on these QA servers becuz i can kill w/o warrant

[hybrid matrix]

[velvet sundial]

Some of you seem to love getting complaints and expaining why everything is good as it is

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial hold on, you want body guarding gone and when rules can do that you're against their implementation? In a no-rule server they're just gonna continue body guarding. You're making no sense to the point were you're lack of logic is really starting to grind my gears

[worn pumice]

if their body guarding

then just attack them lol

and if u cant move on

[urban flax]

I love showing people the flaws of their logic, that's basically the reason I'm bothering to stay here
Sadly many people are too stubborn to understand things...

[delicate tulip]

^^

[velvet sundial]

Not when they should go because of food shortage on the place of the body. Rules are not the only way to get things to work, dude

[urban flax]

Oh and btw some animals bodyguard irl

[worn pumice]

u could either walk away and find something else or just attack the thing body guarding

[tranquil frost]

It's because what you're saying wouldn't work in practical situations

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial that's to imply that there is a food shortage, dude

[velvet sundial]

So you want stupid rules to force everybody how they are supposed to behave? I hate servers weighed down with rules

[delicate tulip]

@urban flax this^^ it's especially common with mothers, they will actively guard their dead young from predators

[tranquil frost]

YOU are the one who want people to stop bodyguarding

[hybrid matrix]

thats the point of rules

[velvet sundial]

Sure. But not with rules but with how it works in reality

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial but you literally want them to be forced away as well just with a game mechanic, you want the same thing just done in a different way lmao

[tranquil frost]

So how does it "work in reality" for you?

[urban flax]

Anyway we all know evrima officials aren't getting rules. Mechanics are going to fill their roles

The discussion is wether these mechanics should include debuffs from grazing

[velvet sundial]

Yes, but the herd can stay if they don't need food and choose to die

[tranquil frost]

That's true, but how a mechanic to keep people away from bodies would be?

[urban flax]

The body snagging was implemented to counter it, now it needs some refining

[ruby fern]

Guys, its like Chikangia said: forget rules. The ingame mechanics will fix this. Think about a version of the game where there is a correct population of different species (like ~ 400 different AI´s (herbi and carni) roaming around the map between normal players. Then you as Carno/Utah/Rex what ever can just leave a Stego group body guarding and search for better prey.

[urban flax]

Maybe we're gonna get some sort of stress or discomfort system

[delicate tulip]

In reality animals will guard dead bodies, humpbacks will try to keep orcas from eating, mothers will push predators away from their dead young, hippos will try to stop crocs from eating dead hippos, the list goes on so what reality does he mean? The one in which he's always right? Lmao @tranquil frost

[velvet sundial]

Herbivores can bodyguard as long as the food lasts on the place of the body. Not too long

[worn pumice]

BoB flashbacks

[hybrid matrix]

i mean
as long as u dont take damage then its fine

[delicate tulip]

The flaw in that logic is that bodies despawn faster than the food depleats @velvet sundial

[urban flax]

In no universe should stress deal damage xD

[worn pumice]

imagine dying becuz its raining

lol

[tranquil frost]

Exactly, it doesn't make sense

[hybrid matrix]

i had an idea for stress where u could die, but only in an extreme situation where something so terrifying happened that ur dino's heart just started shaking in place instead of beating

[urban flax]

No death by fear in a videogame pls

[worn pumice]

no just no lol

[tranquil frost]

No hahaha

[urban flax]

If something is scary anough to cause that, then just let the player cower in fear and forget to control their dino

[worn pumice]

and what could be so terrifying?

a hypo?

[hybrid matrix]

hyper colossus?

OOH

THE FUCKIN MATRIARCH THING

[compact hare]

imo there should be a kind of "illness" that herbis get when they stay like, 20-30 meters near a body for to long, addind a debuff or something
with this, give them the ability to drag bodies way from an example, nests, herd.
its just an idea, I probably missed a lot of points

[velvet sundial]

The herd will leave when food is rare enough

[worn pumice]

i mean its scary ig but ur so small to it u could just hide and prolly escape

instead of looking at a hypo and dying lol

[hybrid matrix]

30 meters is a big distance
some sub-orbital rockets are smaller than that

[urban flax]

I once talked about giving herbies debuffs hen they're near the body of one of their own, and only in that case.

[worn pumice]

id rather not see herbis dragging bodies lol

looks silly tbh

[hybrid matrix]

not instant death
if u see it for too long it becomes so terrifying that u die

[urban flax]

Because otherwise carnis could just follow a herd holding a dead body in their mouths and stress them for no reason

[compact hare]

15 maybe ? or even 10, dont forget there are big herbis but I get your point

[worn pumice]

[urban flax]

Staring at something for longer doesn't make it more terrifying

[velvet sundial]

When herbibores lose power when they don't eat, they have even more reason to leave

[hybrid matrix]

it does if the thing keeps getting closer

[hybrid matrix]

huh??

better yet

well

[worn pumice]

at that point u'd think they would yk move away from the threat

[hybrid matrix]

actually no

not better yet

but

that reminded me of an idea that i had

that linked stam and hunger

[velvet sundial]

Exactly

[delicate tulip]

@velvet sundial will they tho because what if only a few move on to get food whilst the rest stay, then the ones would moved come back? You aren't taking into account all possible factors, a rule that outright bans body guarding will stop guarding in it's tracks regardless of factors

[urban flax]

Bad idea
Because then if you're a starving carni then you can't hunt and can't stave off the hunger

[hybrid matrix]

basically if ur full, u regain stam faster, but u also lose food faster until ur full on stam
but if ur hungry, u regain stam slower, for the price of food

[hybrid matrix]

its about regen, not drain

[velvet sundial]

And make food rare so herbibores can't be too strong together at all times

[hybrid matrix]

thats not the point

[brave nova]

I can fit a sub-orbital rocket in the palm of my hand, lol.

[worn pumice]

i mean bushes in general r already hard to find

u have to travel a decent amount

[compact hare]

imagine when diets come

[hybrid matrix]

the idea of stam and hunger being linked is literally digestion

[worn pumice]

when diets come they can rly keep specific dinos for their niche in certain places

such as keeping white plants tenos eat in the swamps

[velvet sundial]

There will be a solution that works as intended. Nothing is impossible

[hybrid matrix]

if u have more food to digest and turn into energy, u get energy back faster

[worn pumice]

i dont understand what ur getting at

[brave nova]

why would you even want to split up the players, though? might as well have seperate server for different species at that point...

[hybrid matrix]

besides, it'd make for a crueler world

[compact hare]

when Im full I actually cant run so much when I eat I want to sleep

[delicate tulip]

Also what food will deplete? Because sure they can add a system were water goes down but can do the same with grass lvls? If they can't and I'm betting they can't then your idea goes tits up because there's always going to be enough food for them

[velvet sundial]

Hunger and power link also makes carnivores choose the weakest animal instead of the worst player

[worn pumice]

certain dinos should be in certain places thats what the point of niches r thats why deino isnt running around on land

[hybrid matrix]

hence y u sit to get stam back faster after eating

if ur starving, u dont get stam back as fast even if ur sitting down

[worn pumice]

also their not splitting anyone up its not like ur confined to stay there u can go out its just that ur encouraged to be in a certain area for the food

[hybrid matrix]

makes u more conscious of ur hunger bar
which u should already be

[delicate tulip]

The fact is, there's a shit ton of factors that go into body guarding, all your ideas will merely reduce it, rules will kill it

[outer yoke]

Can anybody tell me when the stress test will be over?

[brave nova]

Having some dinos prefer to be in water, while other are in plains while others prefer trees is something completely different from separating them into different areas of the map entirely.

[worn pumice]

yes thats what im getting at not seperating them lol when did i say that

[velvet sundial]

Herd sizes will be limited by food availability. If healthy food is rare while herbivores need it to stay the strongest, there will be differences in how strong an animal in a herd is compared to a lonely animal

[worn pumice]

well up to the devs on how exactly they wanna implement diets

[brave nova]

you mention as an example keeping tenos in the swamp. I'm guessing you would want to keep others out of the swamps and in their respective biomes. Might be extrapolating too much, but a lot of people seem to unironically want such a system.

[velvet sundial]

Yes, but we can help them

[worn pumice]

this is what the point of niches r tho, like teno can go out in open plains but its encouraged to stay in forests or swamps

also more biomes would help a lot

Valhalla this suggestion can be abused so easily

[glad dirge]

@shut phoenix this promotes revenge killing and can be abused

[worn pumice]

^

this isnt like cod where ppl get in a match and move on

[urban flax]

This promotes revenge killing more than it deters trolling actually

[worn pumice]

ppl will and have found peoples names and revenge kill with sum of their friends

it happens

[hybrid matrix]

also this suggestion was born out of pure spite wasnt it

[tranquil frost]

@shut phoenix The replay feature would solve that

[hybrid matrix]

ya got killed
then ya got mad
then u wanted to kno who to be mad at

well guess wut

git gud and u wont die

[glad dirge]

People could find streamers through this abusable suggestion

[urban flax]

You know when people don't even answer to pings 10 seconds after their suggestion they didn't think about it at all before posting it

And most of them probably joined the server only to post that one suggestion

[worn pumice]

^

[velvet sundial]

For you, if you don't want to eat healthy and only rely on your fighting skills. Power needs to be adaptive, do we want the isle to get a survival game instead of a fighting game where everyone has the same abilities all the time. Underfeeding should cause power loss, like in real nature

[glad dirge]

Someone once joined the discord just to find me and then dm me complaining that my pack killed them

[silent current]

Guys

How do you deal with that, because I'm at my limit

[hybrid matrix]

The Isle is a survival game you ignorant stick of crispy mozzarella cheese

[silent current]

Everytime I open feedback channel I see people crying about everything, it's exhausting

[odd sedge]

That's creative

[velvet sundial]

Yes and bad circumstances should cause power loss. Otherwise the best gamers (fighters) only ruin the game for others, forever and without being limited by other factors

[glad dirge]

That is an amazing passive complementing insult

[urban flax]

Stop opening feedback channel

Only solution I can think of

[silent current]

The thing is I don't even open it that often

Like third time today

[glad dirge]

Thats often

[silent current]

I saw guy wanting carno buff, I saw guy crying about utah packs

Just wtf people

[urban flax]

[glad dirge]

Well, there are like 15+ utah packs its so great to watch them yeet everything

[silent current]

💪

[velvet sundial]

A survival game should be more than fighting good only. Fighting skills can help, but eating healthy should just cause power loss. Otherwise it's only a game for the best fighters

[urban flax]

That's what perks are for

[worn pumice]

thats why perks exist

u dont wanna follow ur diet? well now u can grow twice as long and u'll get probably zero perks

[velvet sundial]

Sounds good

[barren zephyr]

Yea pack hunter is not allowed to be strong in packs. most of it has to do with player skill. people cry about losing a Dino when they could have avoided in the first place. many carno mains want utah nerfed even though carno absolutely stomps utah if played correctly. If you get pounced knock them off by a tree. you’re faster and do way more damage. people who complain about utah killing shit need to get good

[worn pumice]

i wouldnt change stats tho even if they make it to adult by afk growing as that would be hell to balance

[silent current]

This^ people forget that skill plays a role and make useless complaints in feedback channels

[sand oar]

The only thing I gonna say is, wait and see how diets and perks gonna work.

[barren zephyr]

[silent current]

Blank

[worn pumice]

i fended off 5 utahs as a stego i dont see the massive issue with it

bucking should be revisted it tho

its finnicky and doesnt work sometimes

[barren zephyr]

player skill, that’s the issue. they didn’t know how to fight the Utah’s so they lost. people refuse to get better so they complain

[worn pumice]

skill plays a big factor i will say tho i wish trees were less of a crutch and more of just giving the dino an advantage against the utahs

like it sort of feels like u NEED trees

[silent current]

I would argue there, bucking should not be "Me CliCK ButTON UtAH FallS oFf" currently it's more about using the environment and being careful

[barren zephyr]

bucking is a strange feature atm

like

[silent current]

Maybe scaling so the bigger the creature is the easier it is to get utahs off? Idk

[worn pumice]

i mean utah pounce is the same thing tbh u click a button and automatically teleport to the side of the dino

[velvet sundial]

It solves a lot of issues, hopefully

[sand oar]

But forget the % stats buffs and de buffs

[barren zephyr]

yea, that needs fixed. should take more skill and timing to pounce properly

[silent current]

Yea and then

[worn pumice]

ye i would rly like no pounce zones

then i rly wouldnt have any complaints at all

as it would be high risk high reward

[silent current]

You get punished for using your strongest skill, shouldn't be like that imo

Fucking 5 seconds get up animation or something

[worn pumice]

pounce takes zero effort just bait out an attack and press a button

would like it to take sum level of aiming

[silent current]

So it works how it works atm, needs some tweaks but nothing big imho

[barren zephyr]

Utah is by far the hardest creature to play as of now skill wise. as well as teno. Both take a very long time to get used to and use properly. they are extremely powerful if used properly and it should stay that way

[worn pumice]

no pounce zones need to be a thing makes no sense as to why a utah can pounce say a carnos face and then latch onto the side

[barren zephyr]

Because the isle

[silent current]

^

[worn pumice]

good point lol

[silent current]

[barren zephyr]

[pale bloom]

Because making it locational will cause a lot of bugs and will be harder to make it work

[barren zephyr]

[velvet sundial]

A good player who has eaten not too good can still win in a fight with a bad player who has eaten better and is stronger

[silent current]

Yea that too

[worn pumice]

yea but that doesnt excuse how easy it is to pounce something

[urban flax]

As it should be

[barren zephyr]

I mean I think there’s a line between skill and just something that is ridiculous. like a utah killing a rex by itself makes no sense whatsoever. you would need at least 15 raptors to kill a rex in the first place

[silent current]

No matter what pounce always ends up being low skill ability, look at pce pounce spammers stalking you and pouncing you whenever you turn around

[barren zephyr]

not that game they want to have herbivores and the idiots eat it up straight away

[worn pumice]

thats a completely different game and rly doesnt account to the isle as its a death match basically

its like cod with dinos in a sense

[barren zephyr]

primal isn’t even a deathmatch game anymore

[worn pumice]

they even have death cams lol

[silent current]

My point still stands, it's unlikely that pounce will somehow become harder to land without it making utah useless

[silent current]

Free roam 😔

[tranquil frost]

What kind of super rex is that

15 utahs to kill a rex is too much

[silent current]

Yes

[barren zephyr]

8 ton apex predator can easily kill 15+ 500 kilo raptors easily. remember these things are going to take like 8 + hours to grow

[worn pumice]

its what dondi said

[barren zephyr]

Dondi said like 10 or something can’t remember

the scam guy

[worn pumice]

lol

[silent current]

3 can wreck a stego so

[pale bloom]

You're taking Dondi words bit too serious I believe xD

[barren zephyr]

Yea maybe to that guy

[worn pumice]

ye exactly and thats pretty broken

[barren zephyr]

dondi

rex

funny

[silent current]

oh no.

[barren zephyr]

oh no.

ok what is going on

[velvet sundial]

Yes, but when both players have the same fighting skills, it should be the one who has eaten the best who is likely to win

[barren zephyr]

talking about the utah pounce

[tranquil frost]

I still haven't even seen a group of more than 10 fully grown Utahs yet and we have like 4 carnivores, if you need 15 utahs to kill a rex we'll never see it happening

[worn pumice]

and how its super low skill based

[urban flax]

When both players have the same fighting skills yes

[barren zephyr]

I think it’s fine because of how vulnerable utah is with other predators

[barren zephyr]

no?

The victor is determined by luck or the scenario

[pale bloom]

If it's that low I invite you to use it against good players now that on U3 you get punished hard for missing it

[silent current]

Right

[pale bloom]

Plus the fact you can get hit when dismounting, guaranteed

[barren zephyr]

Left

[worn pumice]

u click rmb and ur on the dino and thats skillful right

[silent current]

[worn pumice]

anywhere on the body too

[velvet sundial]

Until diets come that make you stronger or weaker. Much more survival like

[barren zephyr]

?

[pale bloom]

That's all the dinos stuff then, with Carno you run in a press LMB

[silent current]

The thing here is if you miss you get oneshotted or 3 shotted if ur fighting a carno

[velvet sundial]

Good diet keeps you strong, bad diet makes you weaker. Good food is rare though

[pale bloom]

It actually sounds like you want pounce to be performed with some kind of fighting game complex command or something Lol

[worn pumice]

yes for carnos its fine but what about something like stego? its too slow to dodge it and while it can one shot u mid pounce u can just bait out one tail swing and boom

[barren zephyr]

no, I do not get it

a diet is the range of food an animal eats

[pale bloom]

I've seen Utahs dying in the middle of a pounce to Stegos, it's not just press RMB and that's it

[worn pumice]

it is

[urban flax]

You should look at the roadmap then

[barren zephyr]

it directly limits what they eat, not what foods make them stronger

[velvet sundial]

It does not just keep you alive. It has more effects

[pale bloom]

Don't fall on baits then, those kind of Stegos are the scariest ones

[barren zephyr]

soup not getting the diet aspect*

[barren zephyr]

well if it is rpg increase strength/health then that is stupid

Not exactly

RPGs are cringe and that is a fact

[worn pumice]

this isnt a personal thing tho im just saying in general that pounce needs to be used for the players who know how to

[silent current]

so now lets make deino launch 100 meters ahead on land while using its lunge resulting in its death, its a 1 click ability after all!!! So we might as well send it on land and it can die there

[barren zephyr]

except rpgs in the context of rocket launchers

[barren zephyr]

oh god not the deino players that don’t know how to lunge...

[pale bloom]

And I think works more like that now, I've murdered those who instant pounce without any baiting first to secure their pounce

[velvet sundial]

Then it would only be cosmetical

[pale bloom]

The thing with Stego it's, being so large and bulky you won't gonna dodge it, you gonna be patient and swing in the right moment or use the environment as defense

[worn pumice]

skill is obviously involved in these types of fights but the mechanic itself for what it is is way too easy to pull off for what it does

a utah is 1.5 hours to grow and yet 2-3 utahs can kill a stego

[pale bloom]

If you're close to a water source Utahs won't gonna pounce you tho

[silent current]

Skill

Skill is the answer here

[worn pumice]

not always

[silent current]

what?

[worn pumice]

sometimes skill can be overlooked

[barren zephyr]

skill and the scenario matters

[worn pumice]

a utah no matter how skilled shouldnt be 1v1ing an apex

[silent current]

If the stego thinks and is patient it can wait for em to dismount and time the hit

[barren zephyr]

well yea if it did that would be ridiculous

And also luck, I suppose.

[pale bloom]

Watch the situation with Deino, Deino it's 5 hours same as Stego and it isn't a 50/50 matchup, not everything in the game its fair torwards grow times

[velvet sundial]

Yes, but it also matters what you have eaten

[barren zephyr]

or maybe not luck

[barren zephyr]

it doesnt

[pale bloom]

I would agree to low Stego grow to 4 hours

[worn pumice]

that doesnt matter tho becuz deino can escape that situation

stego cant

its forced to fight

[barren zephyr]

I view diets as limiting what an animal eats. It can only eat x, y, or z, but not a or b

[silent current]

It's not even that slow, it would be able to run into the forest or get to a tree and use it to knock utahs off

[pale bloom]

In exchange you have a 1 shooting attack on Utahs, pretty devastating

[silent current]

Stego is actually quite fast for some reason

[barren zephyr]

You’ll pretty much be able to eat everything, but some food sources are better than others for faster growth rates

[worn pumice]

it doesnt even one shot them a lot of the time which is pretty silly tbh

[silent current]

Unless the dmg is so ridiculous that you die within seconds (which I'm pretty sure is exaggerated)

[pale bloom]

Tail base hits

[worn pumice]

their base of the tail hitbox is large so a lot of the times u'll hit that instead

[velvet sundial]

Then diets wouldn't make sense. If you eat healthy instead of junk food, you keep strong. The isle also needs this

[worn pumice]

honestly base of the tail should be a one shot too dont understand why its not

[urban flax]

Because you have no organs in the base of your tail

[pale bloom]

Nope, then Utahs will die after a pounce guaranteed

[barren zephyr]

why tf was stego even added in so early in the first place. that was the first mistake

[worn pumice]

the isle

[barren zephyr]

yes

[silent current]

Literally

[pale bloom]

Just wait then to dismount, swing and good bye

[barren zephyr]

and why add it alongside carnotaurus

[silent current]

^

[barren zephyr]

if you were to use common sense, you should obviously add Allosaurus with Stego, not Carno

[worn pumice]

all im asking for is actual pounce zones

[barren zephyr]

they are a classic duo and lived alongside one another

[silent current]

Make a suggestion then

[worn pumice]

dont need to its been suggested a lot and was already shown in a stream

[barren zephyr]

but they didn’t for some reason? Sucho would’ve been good too. but we got dumb fat stego.....

[worn pumice]

a while ago with trike

[barren zephyr]

Would have been adding Diabloceratops been a bad idea or not?

[silent current]

Very bad.

[barren zephyr]

oh ok

I would like dibble yea

makes more sense than stego

[silent current]

Even with the downsize it would be really strong

[worn pumice]

kentro wouldve been much better then stego

[barren zephyr]

^

[silent current]

Yea

[barren zephyr]

Kentro is based

[worn pumice]

stego is hard to balance since theres no other apex land dino on the island

[barren zephyr]

Mind you diabloceratops does look somewhat nice imo. I mean this is the default skin, but I haven't seen it before and it looks fairly good.

[worn pumice]

kentro would've been so much better

with all the smaller dinos

[barren zephyr]

yes. Diablo is a very cool ceratopsian

[worn pumice]

becuz rn stego feels dulled down just so it can balance within the ecosystem atm

[silent current]

ok

[barren zephyr]

thanks

[worn pumice]

🆗

[barren zephyr]

[silent current]

[barren zephyr]

[silent current]

I'm gonna steal that

[barren zephyr]

go ahead, steal it

[barren zephyr]

also because of that skin I have become converted to the cult of Diabloceratops (no, I am not actually worshipping it)

Now I see Ava as being pathetic, weak and not worthy of being ingame

[tranquil frost]

I hope this is the real skin, because:

[barren zephyr]

it is the real skin, yes

however, the eyes look crappy in game

the isle looking crappy? no way

[tranquil frost]

The skin is good

But it should have more details like those eyes

[velvet sundial]

@shut phoenix nah admins take care about that

[tiny geyser]

Carnos eyes as well, and tenos, Hypsi, and a lot of the eyes in game are very funky

[strange wave]

juvie model moment

[tranquil frost]

I wasn't talking about the model, it's the skin and it's details

[strange wave]

99% of the eyes on the roadmap renders are template eyes, and the custom lighting makes it look different

[strange wave]

thats because that screenshot is on low settings and really zoomed in

[tranquil frost]

It doesn't change so much in Epic

[carmine path]

Time for cinematic

[barren zephyr]

oh

bloody hell...

[tranquil frost]

Also I don't think "custom lighting" makes this difference

[strange wave]

yes it does

[carmine path]

Like a burgerking burger in a ad only to realize it looks like ass irl

Best example i have

@modern pike for some reason I can’t tell why but I don’t think that’s feedback

[azure wadi]

They seem to have joined this place to troll

[barren zephyr]

ok

[carmine path]

So I want a realistic weather system

[worn pumice]

nice average weather

frosty and patchy, freezing fog

[carmine path]

Wonder if radio station can work as a weather station for humans to transmit weather reports to tell if it is safe to leave like if a lightning storm comes or something

[tranquil frost]

Ok, I opened the game rn and here it is on Epic

[velvet sundial]

Bit late, but if only a few move on, then the waiting carnivores can kill them with not too much effort. It also sounds like stegos run too fast. They are supposed to travel because their low speed forces them. They can't just get food from far and go back, at least not when there is not much food. This would be the case in the dry period, when weather is added. In the wet period, there is a lot more food so stegos can stay at the nest, eat nearby and come back until their youngs are raised @delicate tulip

[open trout]

I saw someone mention changing the nav bar to show N, NE etc like it use to. But I just want to rebut that. I like the minimalist approach liking it to the dinos using earth's magnetism (I assume) to navigate. I will say I had no idea what it meant at first until I saw it explained in a guide, but nevertheless still dig the concept.

[strange wave]

looks a whole lot different to me

[carmine path]

@mellow steppe I didn’t know that was confirmed?

[mellow steppe]

What suggestion was yours I was just scrolling through reading

[barren zephyr]

@frank matrix Poisonous or Venomous? Because we already have confirmation on venomous species, being the Dilo and Troodon.

[carmine path]

Not my suggestion i was referring to the stuck feature where you put confirmed

[mellow steppe]

Oh yeah punch said they are working on that

How would that counter Deion?

Deino

[frank matrix]

Yes it woud be countering the crocodile

[urban flax]

Titanoboa is already planned but will be one of the last dinos to come

[frank matrix]

Titanoboa is bigger then the crooc in the isle

[barren zephyr]

It's to small to take on an adult or even sub Deino, unless fictionalized.

[urban flax]

Well we know titanoboa will be fictionalized since it won't be bound to water ^^

[mellow steppe]

@tranquil frost for the thing you said about dryo eyes, this goes for all of the eyes. Especially the babies. They all look ugly and it makes baby dinos look like they are on drugs.

[glad dirge]

ala unreact with Y so we can spell already

[frank matrix]

Titanoboa is bigger then the crooc in the isle and real life

[compact hare]

Titanoboa is going to be a good swimmer afaik

[barren zephyr]

About the same size, but it's a snake and would explode if it somehow choked down a Deino.

[urban flax]

Yeah but irl it couldn't leave water at all, I'm pretty sure devs want it to go on land

[mellow steppe]

Croc would be able to kill a titanoboa in the future

It just a big fleshy noodle

[barren zephyr]

They wouldn't kill them, the would obliterate them.

[mellow steppe]

mhm

[frank matrix]

Wrong it can shoke them

[tranquil frost]

That's it

[frank matrix]

It can go on land

[glad dirge]

if big enough titanoboa could constrict prey but nothing too big otherwise it cant eat it

[hybrid matrix]

but its a flesh noodle fighting an 8 ton gator

[barren zephyr]

It could, but that's assuming it can even get close enough to one before it gets destroyed.

[urban flax]

Real life is often disappointing

[mellow steppe]

With hella fracture damage and bite force (not really)

[frank matrix]

If the Developers add choke ability or make her poisonous

[tranquil frost]

It actually could

[urban flax]

A poisonous boa ?

[icy lion]

titanoboa shouldnt be venomous or poisonous

[tranquil frost]

No, no poison

[frank matrix]

They made the spino walk on tow legs and that isant realistic

[icy lion]

yes it is

spino is bipedal

[worn pumice]

actually it is, if spino walks on its hands it would snap

[icy lion]

the rest of our spino however is not

[hybrid matrix]

spino wasnt a quadroped

[carmine path]

Spino simply built different

[worn pumice]

our spino has taken a few creative liberties

[paper geyser]

titanoboa probably couldn't constrict prey due to how big it was. Like everyone else has said, it was more likely to be in water for most of the time

[barren zephyr]

@frank matrix I love snakes and Titano is no exception, but the sad truth is. They just aren't that strong. Titano would hardly be able to hunt anything below Teno size if that, and would likely be restricted to an aquatic lifestyle, where unless in a Biome inaccessible to deinos would likely not be that viable.

[carmine path]

Anaconda but larger