general-feedback-discussion

[white rune]

but it isn't the case right now

Juvie Stego is shit

like juvie Sauropods

they work the same

[barren zephyr]

still strong but missing the key things that make kentro good

40% stego is decent

not that tanky but can pack a punch if needed

[white rune]

40% Stegosaurus is already above 2 tons. It is a fair opponent to mid tiers.

but I want Stego to get knockback with a tail swipe.

[barren zephyr]

hopefully we get dynamic growth so saurpods could grow quickly at first but slow down in the sub stage

[barren zephyr]

seriously? thats a bit too high

they should redo the weight gain system

[white rune]

I mean

that's how I'd guess

I didn't play Stego since growth isn't linear anymore

I should give a try

[barren zephyr]

Pretty sure it isnt 2 tons atm

[barren zephyr]

wait for real?

[white rune]

but potato PC isn't good

Yes it is not

like

50% Deino is 1.5 tons

[barren zephyr]

Like different dinos grow at different speeds for each stage?

[white rune]

but

100% is 8 tons

growth gain change

[turbid mauve]

@devout sun no stegos actively hunt deinos, wat is u talking bout? elaborate please. like deino is legit invulnerable in water and it can kill stego if its found crossing the river by staggering it. i don't understand and i is confushion as to why you'd want to increase dmg for wat? so u can hunt some carnos on land? so u can hunt some allos on land? i dont see the argument in this because deinos can drag it and drown it and eat it. pls remember dat land is not ur domain . also another thang to keep in mind is that if u increase the bite force of deino, when they attack eachother issa gonna be more brutal. keep dat in miund aswell

[white rune]

but please for Stego swing

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[barren zephyr]

[barren zephyr]

stego needs a AOI attack

maybe it can gain it in the late juvie stage?

Around 40%

[white rune]

Swing is an attack that should be there

[devout sun]

If a Deino isn't in water, stegos will single it out and force it back in. There is no basking, no eating bodies, no nothing. If a stego is in the area, or so much as hears a Deino, you best be in deep water or your dead.

[white rune]

like

[devout sun]

That's not fun at all

[white rune]

press alt

then you can do full swing

doing more damages than imaple

kock back

but costing more stamina

[barren zephyr]

wouldn’t make much sense for baby stegosaurus

[devout sun]

Stegos hold down areas and camp bodies and shores just to do it

"go to deeper water"

can I go anywhere else?

[white rune]

I mean it's the main Stegosaur' way of defence.

Like idk why they did go for an implae because :

[devout sun]

If you lunge someone and there so happens to be a stego nearby

[white rune]

it is less useful

[turbid mauve]

omg, take hippos for instance, crocs move aside and respect hippos cause these veggie eaters could split it in half, just respect the stego and let it drink bruh :/

[steady lintel]

whatcha mean by stego growth isnt linear anymore @white rune

[white rune]

it is less realistic

All growth are not

[devout sun]

Stego doesn't want to drink, it wants to kill Deinos

and they do

[steady lintel]

like its not seamless?

[devout sun]

there is no way the stego only wants to drink the moment a Deino appears

and sprints to grab a drink

and strangely enough doesn't drink when the Deino goes away

when their entire group is 50 meters in the plains

[turbid mauve]

swim away from it da fuq

if its swimming it ded

cuz it can't use

swing

[barren zephyr]

its still dumb

[devout sun]

^

Why should I have to leave an area because the stego wants me too

[barren zephyr]

stego shouldnt be camping the shores to kill deinos

[devout sun]

it's not good gameplay

it's not fun

[barren zephyr]

F

[devout sun]

it needs to change

[barren zephyr]

its immersion breaking

[turbid mauve]

U MEAN the area BEING land???? Hello

[devout sun]

Class I don't think you understand

[turbid mauve]

I don't think u understand, buddy

[devout sun]

Tell me why the game should be balanced

so that stegos can do whatever they want

body camp

attack

hunt

kill Deinos that are trying their best to retreat to the water

that can't eat their earned kill

because they feel like it

"oh just swim away"

dafuq?

what kind of excuse is that for the bullsht that is happening

[turbid mauve]

when i say swim i away i meant go in da fuqing water

[white rune]

it is seamless but now you may get bigger between X and Y percents and you won't gain all the time the same stats.

[turbid mauve]

and you know dat

[devout sun]

I already explained that's the ONLY thing you cand o

no basking, no sitting

[barren zephyr]

thats great

[devout sun]

no drinking from the water

no eating

nothing

ONLY sit in deep water

because you dare do nothing else near a stego

or get close to the shore

cause they can hit you there too

[white rune]

I agree. I'm really glad they did this.

[devout sun]

I don't care if it's like hippo VS crocodile IRL

it's not fun

[turbid mauve]

eat in the water. pteras can't carry elite fish that they find on land so wat deal with it its life

[devout sun]

What if you can't drag that body

or can't eat it whole

and dropping it in water makes it sink

and take 10 minutes to come back up

Class how can you not see the problem here?

there's no way you aren't seeing how this isn't alright!

[turbid mauve]

crocs are opportistic predators theyre gameplay is sht cuz its not designed for a video game cuz peeps (dinosaurs) got brains and croc gameplay don for cuz they know if they see one it aint gonna drink there so no ambushing fo shore :/

[barren zephyr]

Im fine with a trike chasing off a allo or something, but stegos literally hunting deinos while also having the same growth time is silly

[devout sun]

So they should be useless?

in this situation?

why?

[barren zephyr]

A skilled deino should be able to punish a cocky stego for not respecting the deinos space

[turbid mauve]

damn fricking straight.

if it dont master the art of ambush then its dead. or eat ur friends idc

[devout sun]

Now THATS how you think you should balance your game

Seriously!?

If it was about being realistic Deino would have 26k bite force

[turbid mauve]

dis game ain't don, buddy

[devout sun]

so don't pull that argument

[turbid mauve]

wait for da teno ai and youll be fine

[devout sun]

until I kill one and have to eat it on shore

[swift dew]

dis game ain't son, buddy? what does that even mean?

[devout sun]

xD

[turbid mauve]

i said don

;-;

[devout sun]

Class we have seen temporary balancing before

like carno and teno size increase

before bigger things were added

[mighty crater]

Are those tiny things thatr run around ai?

[turbid mauve]

omghgggshfbjhsbhf

so u want

to drag a stego

fine DO IT

[devout sun]

not once did I say that

[turbid mauve]

ima go play ptera

XD

all im sayin is

[devout sun]

I can only assume you haven't played Deino in this situation

[turbid mauve]

deino life is not supported with the player count and variety

dinos

[devout sun]

Then that's another issue

[turbid mauve]

natural crocs depend on big game every year

big game i mean buffalo herds crossing river

[devout sun]

It's not just about realism

It's about balance and fun

your totally forgetting about fun

[turbid mauve]

okay hold on lemme pull something out

[devout sun]

what's FUN about being bodied by stegos anywhere but deep water?

[barren zephyr]

isle is far from realism, keep that in mind

[glossy ingot]

@swift dew I don't think a swing is going to come for stego. We're going to have a kentro as well and it will feel like a tiny stego if their attacks are going to be the same. That's my opinion on it though, can't know for sure if kentro will get a tail swipe for example

[devout sun]

what's FUN about being body camped by 3 stegos and other people saying "oh just swim away"

That's just ignorant really

[turbid mauve]

@devout sun

[devout sun]

Why would a stego swim

[turbid mauve]

i neva said swim away i meant go in water

[devout sun]

Ok

But is it fun if you get the death sentence for going anywhere else?

[turbid mauve]

das the problem, yo, crocs depend on big game every year to sustain it by river crossing. it don't go dat so its don for, u see?

so u gotz to cannibalize

[devout sun]

Ok let's go with that situation then

you kill another adult Deino

if the body is near shore

you can't eat it

[swift dew]

who fucking cares what real crocs do? all you got to do is balance the game so that it doesn't need to eat big game

[devout sun]

cause you get impaled by the stego's that don't even need to be there

[devout sun]

I am in total agreement

Deino is apparently not going to be an apex according to people who don't like strong crocodile Deino

It will be Deinosuchus in name only

[turbid mauve]

u is not a land animal. omg. just go in the water when steg is near by, wat of dat dont u understand? plus ain't body be playing stego these days? :/

[devout sun]

not apex hunter

I understand that

but the fact that that is my ONLY option

[turbid mauve]

steg is big and slow it aint gonna ambush u omg

[devout sun]

my ONLY gameplay

is underwater or impaled by stego

THAT is not okay

and I can't understand how you think it is

[barren zephyr]

isle is not realistic, it's a fantasy game according to the devs
they do not give a shit what real crocs did, they're going to balance the game to make it fun and also challenging

[devout sun]

Yes ^^

Class you need to understand it has to be fun

idc if Deino isn't a land animal

[barren zephyr]

it's a game after all

[devout sun]

I should be able to EXIST on the land

[barren zephyr]

whats a game without fun?

[devout sun]

without being cucked by anything

[glossy ingot]

Vertical lunge is still in the works too

[devout sun]

So you might get an extra 3% food from pteras^^

that would be cool but changes about nothing

unless that means

in-water lunge

which actually somoene made a suggestion I really liked

weight goes down by 25% when in water if your a land animal

so it's easier to be lunged by a Deino using a water lunge if implemented

[glossy ingot]

Who knows, maybe then you can pull swimming dinos underwater

[devout sun]

so a stego could get dragged under if it swims

it would make sense and be a cool idea

plus would affect game balancing positively

[glossy ingot]

They just didn't want deino to be yet another spam biter cuz we have plenty of those already, which I can understand

[devout sun]

Yeah I agree it shouldn't be a spam biter

so here's my conviction with the biteforce argument

If you get hit by a Deino on land, you deserve to take hella damage

cause that thing moves like a truck except it's slow

and can literally only move remotely fast for about 10 seconds

give or take a few

so if you SOMEHOW are playing carno or utah or smth

and get hit by a Deino on land

you deserve to get punished

not slightly injureda little

also it feels wrong to play a crocodile

bite a carno's face off

and for it to run back and 3 call you

the fact that carnos even think about 1v1ing you shows the problem here

EVERY

carno I see

wants to 1v1 my deino on land

it's actually hilarious

[glossy ingot]

But that's only going to bring them out of the water, the devs want you to use the lunge not rely too much on the bite, it's a different playstyle

[devout sun]

the only thing increasing the biteforce would do is make that fight shorter

instead of having to eat the carno's face 5 times to kill it and for it not to hit me at all

I would only have to eat it twice

which as a crocodile of that size, and a crocodile that may have had the biggest biteforce of any animal in history

I think that makes sense

and won't upset any balance

even stego outpaces it

deino can chase a stego on land for about 10 seconds

and it can't kill one, even with 800 biteforce

with tail bites only

while getting impaled to the face

in 10 seconds

so stego would still win on land

[swift dew]

people are saying that omg the croc with 30000N bite force can't oneshot the utah, but since they are going to use irl logic I will too. thats practically a nile croc biting a dog, the dog isnt going to die instantly, but the croc is going to drag it down into the depths and drown it (or death roll it), so stop fighting as the fucking croc, in which let me remind you, crocs are NOT fucking fighters.

[turbid mauve]

You do realize deinosuchus could beat stegosaurus if it's crossing a river, right? Also, there is a reason why the developers don't want to overpower deinosuchus and this is just me speculating: The developers don't want deinosuchus to be able to outright kill stegosaurus on land or near the water's edge because if it did, it would have become unbalanced, you see? If things are unbalanced then they are not fun, get it? Me being a stegosaurus main, I'd sure jump to deinosuchus main, and that's saying a whole lot coming from me because rarely do I ever cater to the carnivorous side. I hope my comment helped you understand a bit more. Thanks.

[devout sun]

Thankfully increasing Deino biteforce only accomplishes good things

it deters carnos and utahs from going and trying to face off an 8 ton 40 foot prehistoric murder log

but it won't change stego matchup

stego will still win

even though it might have to be just maybe

maybe a LITTLE

cautious

and not try to 1v3 Deinos

Honestly I see no downside

[turbid mauve]

Punchpacket confirmed, the only dino currently in-game that is not killable by deinosuchus unless found crossing a river is stegosaurus.

[devout sun]

yup

and that won't change

stego will still cuck a Deino on land

and will still get cucked in water

it's about carno utah tenonto

those things shouldn't have a good time after being chomped by a crocodile with a head the size of their torso

and a biteforce of 750 as suggested

would do wonders for that

but not be mega op

[astral crescent]

you shouldnt play deino as a land dino

[devout sun]

since it still wont 1 or even 2 shot

[devout sun]

You already can't, it sprints for 10 seconds

[turbid mauve]

Those still need to remain fun to those who cater to those specific playstyles, too. Legit carno doesn't get one shotted by stegosaurus swing. So, please just stop.

[astral crescent]

you dont need more bite force, bait their scent out

[devout sun]

just because it bites hard doesn't mean it's a land dino

[swift dew]

now if you were going to bring up a good argument such as, that it doesn't make sense for this game that something multiple weight classes below yours is bodying you, then sure I agree with that and give deino a bite buff, or carno and utah a health nerf since they are tanking too many hits from stego aswell, but stop bring up a fucking deinos bite force, i mean come on they gave the thing 500N. do you really think they were going for accuracy?

[astral crescent]

and drag em to the water

[devout sun]

hidden Deino can't function on land regardless

as I said earlier

[astral crescent]

ure supposed to play as an ambush predator and not just go and chase around people cuz you can oneshot everything

and for that you dont need more bite force

[devout sun]

the amount of failiure you would have to do in order to get caught on land by a deino

is so large

you deserve the death sentence anyway

as I said earlier as well

what changes

when you increase biteforce

BUT

punishment of bad descisions

that just goes up from none to something

literally everything else stays the same except I guess Deino VS deino

which is already bad anyway

it will just make that a little shorter

fast pased

which is a welcome change in my opinion

[turbid mauve]

100% dis wat ive been tryna say all da time to dis person but he wont listen :/

[devout sun]

Oh I understand that entirely

first of all 750 isn't one shot for anything bigger than utah

2:

you STILL

CANT

RUN

ON

LAND

[astral crescent]

deino is fine imo, something has to be done about cannibalism and stegos

stegos are straight hunting deinos

[devout sun]

Class doesn't see that

[astral crescent]

cant wait until more dinos get released

deino is gonna be way way way more fun

[turbid mauve]

how are they gonna hunt deino when stego can't ambush it omg stop making false claims cause it ain't true. how is a stego gonna hunt a deino when its invulnerable in water?

[astral crescent]

currently you have a bunch of teenagers going around in discord call KOSing everything on sight they can outnumber in the water

[devout sun]

For someone who claims to be a stego main, your not really understanding how it is to play Deino

xD

[astral crescent]

there is a few ways with shallow water if you wanna go from center to south

[devout sun]

if you couldn't tell I play Deino

and trust me

[turbid mauve]

deino is invulnerable in water

[devout sun]

I have only spoken from experience so far

[devout sun]

Other deinos

[astral crescent]

if you wanna go from center to south, the only way is to walk across this shallow waters

[devout sun]

That river should be removed entirely

it's the source of many problems

[turbid mauve]

kill them before they get big enough to kill u and u own that area :/ da fuq

[astral crescent]

and this spot is a clown fiesta, if you come across a stego

[devout sun]

just make it deeper

[devout sun]

You can't just say "kill all the Deinos you see"

I have some respect for my frends

and also

what do I do when another adult comes along

caught wind of "oh a cannibal up there"

and I get cucked

why would I do that if you could

just

fix

the stego issue

[glossy ingot]

It's not like stego is invulnerable, a few Utahs can kill one

[devout sun]

Yeah

but against deino it's too good

it should be good

[astral crescent]

utahs is the only counter the stego has

[devout sun]

but it's WAY too good

against deino right now

[astral crescent]

and currently to survive on land with no ai, youre basically gambling

deino, ptera and utahs is what I been playing the most

[devout sun]

What I did learn to do is kill all stegos I see

knowing what dicks they are gonna turn into I slay them while I can

[astral crescent]

and so far utah is really rng to survive unless you literally respawn camp

[devout sun]

Yeah I've heard that a lot

makes sense too

[astral crescent]

died from starvation about 5 times already

[swift dew]

i find it funny that all the conversations are on how deino isnt strong enough, or how stego is soo op, but then we have dryo over here crying in a corner

[astral crescent]

and I really tried to eat

[glossy ingot]

I play Utah the most myself, deinos only counter is an full adult stego, let it have one thing in the game it currently can't kill

[devout sun]

Lmao

poor thing

[tawny juniper]

Nobody cares because nobody plays dryo

[devout sun]

cried itself a water source

and then a deino came over andkilled it for water

[turbid mauve]

das mainly bcuz people who favor crocodilans know dat in the wild they help eachother out cuz they know its cruel waiting for the dry season and waiting for big game to cross river so they can thrash theyre prey (death roll) but honey lemme just say this right now to u "let the people go" this is survival hunny😩

[uneven mantle]

so 3rd time i logged in to a dead deino or no deino at all..... is this only with deinos i feel like it is is there a way to avoid this....

[tawny juniper]

But if they did then this community would be crying

[uneven mantle]

I safe logged

[devout sun]

I don't play for realism

I just have some respect for people

I don't kill on sight unless I'm starving

[astral crescent]

you dont kill on sight, other people do

[turbid mauve]

das how crocs work irl doe

[devout sun]

ok

[turbid mauve]

is u not read my sentence?

[astral crescent]

just for the fun of getting rid of ur progress

[tawny juniper]

It's kind of hard to read butchered english

[astral crescent]

because they're on a discord call and they can have their 2 minutes of laughing at you

[tawny juniper]

I gave up on the second line

[devout sun]

xD

[astral crescent]

cannibalism needs debuffs

[swift dew]

first of all, crocs dont have to wait for the dry season, they just have to wait till something gets thirsty. and second of all, stop bringing up what irl crocs do in the FANTASY GAME

[turbid mauve]

do i need to @ admin for u insulting my english?

[astral crescent]

when other dinos release I guess its gonna be way better for deinos

[tawny juniper]

Go for it

[astral crescent]

actually fuctioning as an ambush predator

[devout sun]

Right now actually

ambush predator is the single worst thing you can do

less food than eating fish

less food than going on land to catch something

and of course

deino cant catch anything

so you go on land and HOPE something comes along

like a carno pack

that wants to fight you

[turbid mauve]

if its a fantasy game den why are they tryna make an ecosystem and balance everything and have niches like.... HELLO? i is confushion.

[devout sun]

Because that's fun

[astral crescent]

I been able to drag to the water as a fresh spawn baby deino, baby carnos

thats how it should be

[devout sun]

Because that's how you make a good game

[swift dew]

you absolute MONKEY

[astral crescent]

baiting their scent outw

[devout sun]

It's how you avoid 1 animal being dominant

[uneven mantle]

Are other people experiencing deino randomly being lost or spawning as juvi utahs? is this only happening to deinos i feel like it is. anyway to avoid this?

[astral crescent]

when they're hungry, you put ur fish on the shore, to bait their scent out

and wait for the prey

[turbid mauve]

they tryna emulate real life so don't get on me wit dat argument, u feel?

also don't call me a monkey cuz it hruts my feelings :/

[swift dew]

@crystal trail can you tell this guy that the isle is a fantasy game so we can continue this without... rude words being dropped

[silver zephyr]

why did you have to bring poor punch into this?

[barren zephyr]

bruh

[glossy ingot]

It's been happening a lot, stress test servers aren't stable and expected to lose progress at times. I always kill me Dino before I leave, but experienced it once where my Utah became a ptera

[tawny juniper]

also while we are here, can you spell so I can understand what you're trying to say

It's like reading a different language

[swift dew]

because I dont trust myself to not get a strike here with this....

[silver zephyr]

also just because its a fantasy game doesnt mean you cant create some semblence of an ecosystem

[cyan flame]

@swift dew I wish they would make main LMB bite, main RMB for a tail swing/wiggle that you can use while running/trotting, and alt + LMB/RMB for left and right swing, only useable while standing still/walking. The walking swing should be rearwards (like cama tailswipe sort of), and weaker, used as a deterrent, just like the bite should be for small stuff only. And have the swings be the proper, possible AoE powerful swings that you do not want to get caught by.

[swift dew]

tell me this game isnt a fantasy game when we have this as a "utah".

not to mention giant mutant monsters

[tawny juniper]

and literally dinosaurs from different periods living together

Or people and dinosaurs on the same island

[barren zephyr]

its realistic guys, i mean irl we had spinos who looked like aliens and could control the weather

smh

[swift dew]

oh but they are making an ecosystem so its not fantasy

[barren zephyr]

totally

they added a big croc, and we have crocs irl, it's 100% realism

[turbid mauve]

@swift dew wat cha tank of my add on to ur suggestion?

i would like to initiate a general discussion bout it cuz i too tank stego jab and side attack should be fixed for one doing more raw dmg and one doing more raw bleed

[barren zephyr]

is this supposed to be English?

Do you mind rewriting that class? I couldn't understand

[turbid mauve]

can u stop judging my english ;-;?

[quartz owl]

Has anyone Heard the stress test isn’t working?

Cuz I smashed my pc on the ground

I’m using my backup

Aka my dads

[turbid mauve]

I would like to have an "engaging" discussion on the debate of whether the stegosaurus back tail jab should inflict more bleed versus the side attack jab, where it'll deal rawer damage while also applying fractures toward its victims.

betta :/ @barren zephyr ?

[barren zephyr]

I choose not to have a engaging discussion with you, but my thoughts are that it doesn't matter at all, its the same attack

[turbid mauve]

i respect u for sayin dat to my face and not performing a disucussion wit me, especially, when i wasn't even talkin wit u, i was tryna ask piggy cuz it was her suggestion. i was jus adding on to it, ya'feel? anywho um about dat same attack tang, in my opinion when stego jabs behind it it should deal more bleed cuz when it pulls out is gonna bleed, like real real bleed, y'know? but das my take, especially when devs stressing locational dmg. have a good one dio. oh and almost forgot to say when stego swings its tail to da side it should apply more raw dmg and fractures, but . Good Day.

[tawny juniper]

Could you just spell correctly it isn't hard

[turbid mauve]

it is for me doe :/

[tawny juniper]

I have had conversations with you where you spell fine

I don't know how you expect to have an "engaging discussion" with someone, when nobody can understand what you are saying

And it's clearly intentional

[turbid mauve]

i read my sentences jus fine, im tryna emulate how i be talkin in real life, u obviously one of dem haters

[strange wave]

this is just getting annoying to read

and you were already annoying to talk with

[turbid mauve]

guess ima go cry myself to sleep den, bye.'

"so many expectations, so little motivation"

[tawny juniper]

This is why we can't have nice things

Why am I not suprised you're the one doing this

[strange wave]

you keep trying to get us to pity you by saying this, nobody cares anymore

[tawny juniper]

You wanted human pregnancy, Merc dino taming

This man is off his rocker

[zealous violet]

Why are herbivores so aggressive towards pteras? Ive been killed by more tenos and stegos than any other carnivore type dino. Im not attacking them or anything, just getting water or happen to be landed near them and they hunt me down and kill me, even after 2 calling from both sides.
I really dont get it. pteras are not ai, we are players too ya know and its not fair to randomly kill us regardless of the fact we have a fast growth rate.
pteras are kind of pigeons so its fun to scatter us by running at us, but why kill us? Its annoying.
Alas, such is the game.

On another note, it is kinda cool to hear everything going on well into the new spawn screen.

[barren zephyr]

pteras are carnivores

so I kill them

@dark hedge I like your idea for Pteras picking things out of Deino mouths, but I feel that roll would be better suited for a much smaller pterosaur or bird. Possibly something like Eudimorphodon, Monkeydactyl, or Rhamphorhynchus.

[dark hedge]

Yeah it's kinda unrealistic

[barren zephyr]

Not the idea, but the concept of Pteras and Deinos having that kind of a symbiotic relationship.

[dark hedge]

Yeah I think it would be cool

[barren zephyr]

@nocturne basin

I agree deino should get a bite force buff but your reasoning is garbage

you nearly made me disagree with myself about it

no offense

[sick crescent]

@swift dew I actually really like the idea, I'd like it if we keep the bite and impale, while alt rmb and alt lmb are swings
impale being stegos strongest attack while also doing knockback but the swing is more effective/can be used while moving

cause if im being honest, id like to keep the fast jab

one is used against smalls and small mids, the other is used against mids and apexes

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/626862728845328395/670107147933188106/2020-01-24_00-25-31.mp4
i have this as an idea for how stego knockback would be

below like 2000kg the knockback affecting even tail hits, 2001kg-3000kg doing just knockback no stunning, then above 3000kg is no cc

[barren zephyr]

I'm not sure if it's been changed but why can deino drink salt water?

It seems to take much longer but still.

[zealous violet]

Thats not a very good reason to kill them. They are not even strong enough to be a competing force with other carnivores. They are so much lower on the foodchain. And for herbies, its good to have scavs around because if someone dies, the scent will bring other carnis, possibly larger ones around. having scavs to clean up is nice.

[barren zephyr]

it is

pteras can kill young herbies

so I kill them

before they even have a chance to

[zealous violet]

No they cant? Perhaps tacos they might be able to kill. But they certainly cannot kill a young stego as even a baby stego can take out a sub utah easily. What more, we dont even have much in the way of herds anyways and the majority of times ive been killed by a herbie is when they are alone.
Your using it as an excuse to kill and if thats the case, thats totally fine, I get that. Just own up to it and admit that your killing them for fun so I understand better why its happening.

[barren zephyr]

nope

i've been attacked by pteras a juvie stego

they can use their flying peck attack to wear you down

sure I didnt die since stego is tanky, but ptera 3 shots fresh teno

So killing them helps the already nearly dead teno playerbase out

anyone know how to fix the bugged out screen? I died and the timer is set at 0 and i cant select

[zealous violet]

3 shots Vs a 1 shot from that same teno? Doesnt seem quite fair.
if your defending yourself or a herd, thats one thing, but not all of us are out here with a chihuahua complex of trying to take down something way out of our league. Im playing a scav and fisher, im going to scavenge and fish.
Tenos have far more to worry about than pteras anyways and not a lot of people are playing as them because the deino and ptera are still so new and fresh, everyone wants to play them.
I do play teno on these servers sometimes and I can easily grow in the wide open without fear of pteras. I dunno which server you play on, but it sounds like the pteras there are jerks.

[glad dirge]

If you fly close enough to something that can kill you and it kills you not to be too harsh but thats kinda on you

[zealous violet]

thats not always the case. Often times myself and others have been hunted down by herbies in a very carnivore-like fashion.
For instance, we see a herbie on the ground and continue flying. We land at water to drink and as we are drinking the herbie we spotted earlier runs up on us and starts killing everything.
Its mostly odd because ive seen more predator like behavior from herbivore players than I have actual carnivore players.

[barren zephyr]

whats odd about that

animals can be very aggressive

[glad dirge]

it's best to just avoid everyone cuz ur never gonna convince people to be passive

[tawny juniper]

And players are toxic

[paper oriole]

Ai dryos weren't removed, they just actually hide now like a dryo should

Also theyre faster

[zealous violet]

I don't want everyone to be passive, I just want people to be decent. But I guess thats asking too much. Once servers are up again it shouldn't be too big of an issue since there will be a variety of server types.

[zinc rivet]

honestly I agree w/ u that those herbis are just bein over the top

like how fuckin bored do u have to be

tho the game itself is also to blame in a sense coz the world isn't active and alive enough

not enough ways to engage in it

but the players don't help at all

but animals in real life just don't fuckin do that

a Deer would never see a duck flying and fucking beeline straight for it's nest just to massacre it and it's family

[molten tulip]

I mean carnivores don't waste energy on a hunt when they're full either

But carnis will kill anything they can since energy isn't an issue, only stam

[zinc rivet]

at least those players have the excuse of being a predator

[molten tulip]

Yeah shouldn't mean herbivores can't do it though

[cyan flame]

Herbis have the excuse of being the prey that wants to live in that case :p

Kill future threats, I believe, the sentiment is

[zinc rivet]

this implies a Pteranodon is any fucking threat to a full grown Teno or Stego

[molten tulip]

Yeah a baby utah grows into an adult utah which will try to kill you later on

[cyan flame]

@zinc rivet You'd be surprised of what they can potentially do

[molten tulip]

I mean pteras can just fly away?

[zinc rivet]

you ever heard of jungle?

[cyan flame]

Yes because I should run into the forest as a fully grown stego, because ptera peck :p

And yes, but they can fly there too

[zinc rivet]

that's literally the issue were u not reading

the Pteras DID fly away and were tracked down by some herbis that killed em coz they spotted em flying earlier

Herbis IRL just dont do that

[molten tulip]

And

[cyan flame]

No, but herbis and carnis irl have to care about their lives

Until we get that in the game, killing is all there is to do

So people will be asshats, because why not

Your critter has no value after all, except maybe deino or stego cause 5 hour growth

[molten tulip]

Idk how a ptera player managed to let a herbivore herd sneak up on them but they definitely should have had the ability to flee onto a rock or something

[zinc rivet]

A fucking ptera that is not even paying attention to you and is jus vibing is no threat to you at all tf do u mean

if a Ptera is pecking at you just attack back or go into the jungle, or if you can jump then just bodyslam em out of the sky

that's how I deal w/ em as Dryo and Utah. It's hilarious tbh

[cyan flame]

Yeh, jump works fine, and you can smack them out of the air, I've learned. :p

But it wasn't ptera specifically I was thinking about, just that people will attack others they see as a threat for one reason or another

Even if that thing at that point in time isn't doing anything

[zinc rivet]

killing off a juvenile Utah or Carno I understand

I've done it as Teno a few times

I just can't understand feeling the need to chase down any random Ptera you see flying just to kill it

[molten tulip]

Boredom

[zinc rivet]

that is some new level of boredom that i just can't fathom

if you're that bored just stop playing the game, it's the same level of engagement

[cyan flame]

Boredom, maybe a ptera had pecked their kid, maybe it had spammed calls, maybe they just don't like the way they look :p

[molten tulip]

A carnivore totally would have done that too so I don't see the problem

[cyan flame]

Hell do I know, but people will do shit for no good reason

[zinc rivet]

because they have the excuse of being a Predator

[cyan flame]

And people have a tendency to sometimes play herbis as carnis, because fighting is the only thing anyone cares about in this game.. :p

[zinc rivet]

Predators have reason for tracking down and killing other animals

Herbivores really don't

if a threat is in the vicinity yeah they'd attack

[molten tulip]

And

[zinc rivet]

but they wouldn't track down something for over a mile or so

[molten tulip]

They don't need a reason unless its a realism server

[zinc rivet]

the game is trying to emulate an ecosystem to at least some capacity

there is a level of realism intended for the game itself

[cyan flame]

No they don't really have a reason, except it's a game and people will make up their own reason

Which most of the time comes down to "killing is fun"

[molten tulip]

Ptera is a very short grow and it sounds like their fault for letting a herbivore group not only sneak up on, but track them as well

So I don't see why you're so mad

[zinc rivet]

I get more frustrated over how okay you guys are with people being just shitty

[molten tulip]

?? Its annoying behavior yeah but carnivore players do it, herbivores should be allowed to as well

[cyan flame]

I'm not okay it with? I don't play that way myself, and I'm not a big fan of people killing for want rather than need

[zinc rivet]

carnivores have an actual excuse for it

[molten tulip]

Restricting what players can do for no reason isn't good game design

[cyan flame]

But the game allows KoSing/Killing for sport, and so people will do it, no matter what they play as

[molten tulip]

You dont need an excuse, its a game

[mighty crater]

Dyros are so fun lol

zipping around hiding in short grass

[zinc rivet]

having to rely entirely on the other players for an ecosystem is also bad game design, and it sucks even more when those players act like shitheads and ruin the experience for others

[cyan flame]

You'll have pteras trying to kill stuff, despite having fish. You'll have hypsis spit into peoples eyes for no other reason than shits and giggles. You'll have people try and kill stegos with dryos (and possibly succeeding) because they can and the stego will be salty.

[zinc rivet]

an herbivore seeing some random bird and chasing it down until it lands just to kill it is fuckin stupid

[cyan flame]

Do I like it? No, not really. But the game allows it, and the devs don't mind people doing that shit, as of now at least.

[molten tulip]

The ptera literally has flight, it died out of its own negligence

Flying over trees where land animals can't follow you by sight and landing on tall rocks/mountains are options

[cyan flame]

It is, but there's not much to do about it for now. I do agree that there's no reason to play that way, but people will do so anyway. And it's not really easy to solve, especially not when there's nothing else to do to have fun in the game.

[molten tulip]

^

Just avoid them

Especially as a pteranodon thats very easy

Carno and Utah can both outrun stegos and tenos

Only one I can see rn is deinos being trapped by stegos but that's another issue

[swift dew]

there is so many giant rocks on this map along with many smaller ones, land on those. or if your really desperate land in the jungle, it would be very difficult to find you since your not leaving a trail of yellow footprints

[paper oriole]

this dude upvoting his own suggestion and doesn't even know titanoboa is already planned i guess lol

[zinc rivet]

[swift dew]

@barren zephyr I like the idea of naturally generated maps (not the continental drift part) but the problem with that is you get stuff like this

and there can locations in the map that you can glitch, and it doesn't offer much compared to how much work it would take to make

[molten tulip]

^

Way too much work and troubleshooting and debugging for a kind of meh result

I think the map would look repetitive and fake if it were optimized for randomization

Minecraft has the advantage of being made of blocks, but the algorithms and math that are used to make worlds on there alone is incredibly complex and has been being developed for decades

[mighty crater]

why does a spawn location have a countdown on it?

[molten tulip]

So you cant go and revenge kill

[zinc rivet]

bit of a balance thing. Encourages playing in different parts of the map, stops spamming juvies in one spot, etc

[zinc rivet]

ehhh not rly coz 1) you gotta grow first to do that and 2) by the time you're old enough you coulda crossed the map by then

[molten tulip]

I mean if 2 juvis spawn in the same spot and fight each other, and there's no countdown, the juvi that lost can just spawn back in

Also to prevent running to a spot, dying, then spawning back in to eat your corpse and give yourself food

[barren zephyr]

isn't a decent amount of the map already auto generated?

maybe an ENTIRE map is a bit much

But a basic templet (thenyaw size, V3 size and spiro size options) would make it pretty much like the current map system right?

[paper oriole]

So fixed map templates with randomly generated forests?

[swift dew]

nope, this is the a map of the new waterways in the beta, credit to J72 Gaming

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr I find your randomly generated map idea very intriguing and creative as a potential server choice, but why the continental drift part?

[swift dew]

i mean the continental drift idea sounds cool in theory, but I dont want to be denied access to half, and maybe even more than half of the servers population because the game decided it wanted me to not be on the island everyone is on

[molten tulip]

When you build the map using the foliage tools, yes, it picks random assets to sprinkle in the spot you're clicking, but thats just to cut time for the human designing the map

[barren zephyr]

The idea is cool, but flawed.

[molten tulip]

To make a full randomizing functionality you'd have to make and test tons and tons of rules to make it look nice and not be buggy

[swift dew]

this and he said that food for herbivores might run dry depending on what parts of the map decide to break apart, making it so larger creatures can't survive there, but what if im a trike loging in on part of the map that doesn't have much access to food, im going to have some problems

[molten tulip]

Without a human sitting there clicking for weeks

[barren zephyr]

Indeed.

[swift dew]

and even then you would get this sometimes

[barren zephyr]

thats why it takes a week for the drift to happen

the process is slow

[swift dew]

its an interesting idea, but its flawed, it could be perhaps a good idea for a single player mode though (if that ever comes)

[barren zephyr]

But still, for new players they could spawn in areas that are literally impossible to survive or at least thrive in.

[molten tulip]

Imo the map already has a nice element of randomness in the fact that all the animals are players

[barren zephyr]

What about AI...?

[molten tulip]

In legacy ai were just little minigames with free food, in evrima I have yet to really interact with ai in any way because of how hard they are to come by

[barren zephyr]

I believe it will be far more advanced than legacies.

[molten tulip]

Yeah

Iirc theyre training ai that act like players

[barren zephyr]

I feel like the Isles AI is about to demand a lot more respect than just a free meal.

[molten tulip]

Yeah

[glad dirge]

Im excited for the bigger stuff like teno ai

[barren zephyr]

Pft, Tenonto just wait for Rex but yea, Teno should be really cool.

[zinc rivet]

please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please please

more AI of playables please please please the game needs them

[zinc rivet]

i hope some day the AI gets to a point where at first look you won't be able to tell if it's an AI or a player, and if you're ambushed by a predator you wouldn't get a chance to look close enough, it wouldn't matter. It'd be so fucking good imo

and just seeing various animals passively existing throughout the map, it'd feel so alive ughh

[barren zephyr]

If all species get AI and if it really is built to act like a player, I can see some issues arising with trying to group with AI. Unless there's some clear way to tell if that "player" is in fact not a player.

@zinc rivet Indeed.

[zinc rivet]

thats lowkey what i want though tbh

local chat would likely fix it tho

if it is a player and they dont respond then i wouldnt hang out w/ em anyway

or maybe you WOULD hang out w/ em and ditch em for a pred, AI or Player

[barren zephyr]

Unless... the AI learns to chat

[swift dew]

you can hope, but i hate to burst your bubble, that isnt happening. its incredibly difficult to make ai that smart, not to mention we have 1 person working on ai (there might be more idk)

[zinc rivet]

ono

[zinc rivet]

i mean studying close enough yeah it's gonna be obvious

i just mean at a glance

like if you just see a Stego walking around a jungle, you might not immediately tell

not unless you study it for a bit

[molten tulip]

A chat bot based on legacy global chat

[zinc rivet]

but if it's something like a predator and it wants you, you're not getting that chance to study it

all you need to care about is "fucking run"

[barren zephyr]

We'll see how far it goes Piggy, it shall be interesting to watch "evolve" with time.

[barren zephyr]

Unless we get Hostile dryos

[zinc rivet]

i doubt we'll get to the point of AI being THAT smart, but all i need is for it to be good enough to make the world feel alive, and to where you cant immediately tell if it's AI or player

[barren zephyr]

Agreed, not like an actual player but just a part of the world.

[glad dirge]

First ai dryo I ever saw this week was drowning in a river

[zinc rivet]

the AI Dryos I've been hunting have outran me a good bit tbh

they did make em smarter and tougher to catch I think

[barren zephyr]

It'll be interesting to see if AI spawns in all life stages and not just adult.

[zinc rivet]

that too

it'd be cool to see a juvenile AI that manages to grow to adult

[barren zephyr]

Cool, but scary.

[icy lion]

they already do

its rare

[barren zephyr]

O, sweet. So like you can find a juvi Dryo?

[icy lion]

yup!

[barren zephyr]

Noice

[zinc rivet]

,,,what if AI could grow to elder

[astral crescent]

is the update 4 the elder one?

[swift dew]

i dont think ai grows, just spawns in at whatever stage, but i wouldn't be surprised if you found an elder ai in the future

[icy lion]

there isnt a specific update for elders, theyll be added as theyre completed

[astral crescent]

oh ok

[swift dew]

no, but they are changing the roadmap so you never know, but i sincerely doubt it

[astral crescent]

thats nice

did they said they gonna change the roadmap?

[barren zephyr]

Currently it's the farthest back update.

[swift dew]

yup after the real release of update 3

[astral crescent]

but thats not like the farthest back update

[zinc rivet]

currently it doesnt grow but we were talking abt what if they could

[icy lion]

thats the "Ongoing content" tab, none of it will be one specific update (at the moment)

[astral crescent]

its like ongoign content that may roll at any given time

isnt it?

[swift dew]

in order to do elders for the next update, they would have to add diets, and perks too in that update too. and since we hated waiting 4 months for this one, i doubt it since that will definitly take longer

[barren zephyr]

@swift dew after Update 3 officially drops they're changing the roadmap, but aren't they also announcing the new small flyer and community dino then also?

[astral crescent]

they're introducing the perk system in update 4

[zinc rivet]

5*

[astral crescent]

so it may roll with it

[zinc rivet]

roadmap can change still so :P

[barren zephyr]

Yep

[icy lion]

we dont know when those will be announced

[astral crescent]

cant wait for the elder and perk system

for real, i love grinding stuff and that is exactly what this game needs

[swift dew]

ik, but i was saying elders have to come either with diets and perks, or after because you need to eat the right diets, and get the right perks to become elder

[astral crescent]

after u are full adult there is no goals other than surviving

and that perk/elder system will make it so there is something else to achieve after that

and thats really good

[barren zephyr]

O, I was just asking if the community dino and small flyer are supposed to be announced shortly after 3 drops.

[lone pumice]

are they planning on adding trex, spino and stuff like that to the QA?

[swift dew]

oh, i have no idea, im pretty sure they are revealing the community dino with the next concept art, but don't take my word for it.

[barren zephyr]

You mean tomorrow evening?!

[swift dew]

eventually they will come to the game, but you better get your waiting cap on (ik that was cringe) because they are not coming fora a good 1.5 years at LEAST

[zinc rivet]

not with how slow these updates are at least :p

[lone pumice]

jesus, they already have them made don't they?

[swift dew]

i mean next this type of concept

[zinc rivet]

yes and no @lone pumice

[left nacelle]

@rare folio Pretty sure they can. If you sit on the riverbed, even fully underwater, you'll still lunge

[barren zephyr]

I can't wait for another one of those concepts what do you think it'll be?

[zinc rivet]

@lone pumice allotta coding stuff that they needa get done. There's allot more to making this game than just models and animations, and they wanna get everything mechanically done before they start adding in just about anybody. They want to add in dinosaurs those mechanics are for

[rare folio]

hm but you shouldnt have to go to the riverbed to grab, that seems stupid to me

[swift dew]

nope, still have to do some animations, along with coding mechanics. but the main reason is because they don't want to add extremely powerful dinosaurs to the current ecosystem (and the only thing done with giga is the model, they havn't even revealed the base skin)

[zinc rivet]

if the base skin is even done that is

[rare folio]

deinos right now just getting bullied and their growth time is so slow that its just unfun to play them.

[left nacelle]

Well removing the boost wouldn't be good, since it's very useful. Also I haven't seen carnos or anything going into water, only stegos really. But I don't tihnk adding a water grab would fix that since adult stegos can't be grabbed

[rare folio]

why would the sprint boost be useful?

[astral crescent]

deino is fun and its in a good state

[left nacelle]

I do agreee tho that stegos bullying deinos makes them very unfun

[astral crescent]

cannibalism needs to be fixed

[mighty crater]

When dyro gets bullied for looking like a raptor

[rare folio]

if you get chased by other deinos they will catch up to you, which is another annoying thing about deinos. land deinos can use bushes to hide but deinos cannot

[left nacelle]

Lets you outrun predators. Like adult deinos

[rare folio]

no it doesnt

[left nacelle]

The boost has helped me outrun adult deinos quite a bit

[astral crescent]

and also when other dinos get released less and less kids on discord killing on sight everything are gonna be playing deino

so u will have way more fun

[rare folio]

it uses a lot of stamina so it actually makes you lose the chase even more. also other deinos can also do it so whats the point

[zinc rivet]

can't exactly fix that tbh, though fleshing out the underwater environments allot more would help. Plenty of underwater foliage and obstacles for juveniles to hide in would be helpful, but it wouldn't stop cannibalism, especially for crocs too large to hide in those

[left nacelle]

It's saved my life already, so idk

[astral crescent]

I mean im not saying to directly make it so you cannot even dmg ur own species

[left nacelle]

Like sure other deinos can use it, but I'm pretty sure it takes less stam for a juvy to use it, which makes it useful for escaping bigger deinos

[rare folio]

then it was because they didnt wanna chase you or they were out of stamina

[astral crescent]

but it gotta give debuffs and make it so you want to avoid doing it

as much as possible unless u're literally starving to death

[left nacelle]

Having a lunge in water wouldn't make much sense tho cause the deino has nothing to push off of, there's no force behind the lunge

Hence why you need to be on the riverbed to do it

[swift dew]

the right clicking underwater wouldn't give you a lunge, you would just do a bite that grabs

[zinc rivet]

a water lunge doesn't make sense no, but why not just a grabbing bite

[rare folio]

then its not a lunge but just a grab attack

[astral crescent]

but going around on a full stomatch and just killing ur species on sight just because u're hanging around with ur friends on discord and you outnumber all of them is not fun

[zinc rivet]

that makes perfect sense to me

[astral crescent]

for anybody at the end of the stick

[left nacelle]

Eh idk, I still like the water boost

[rare folio]

its annoying that when carnos make a mistake and fall into the water but you cant even take advantage of it because you cant grab them directly

[zinc rivet]

bind one of em to ALT RMB, like Teno's new attacks. Problem solve

[left nacelle]

Not a bad idea

Actually, yeah that would work perfectly

[barren zephyr]

true, maybe you could be able to know the stats of a area before spawning?

[astral crescent]

how much did it take upate 2?

i mean update 3

[left nacelle]

How much what did what take

[astral crescent]

how long*

[left nacelle]

Oh, like 6 months

[astral crescent]

cant write for shit this late damn

[barren zephyr]

5 months, but we got a patch between that so really 2 month

[zinc rivet]

5 or 6 months

nah I'm considering it 5 or 6

[left nacelle]

The last major update we had (Update 2) was in November iirc

[astral crescent]

how long do u guys think update 4 will take?

[zinc rivet]

Definitely allot swifter than Update 3 at least

[left nacelle]

I'd say 2-3 months

[zinc rivet]

Update 3 technically isn't even out yet

[astral crescent]

update 3 had a lot of stuff to get done tho

with 2 unique playstyles new dinos

that is a lot of work

[left nacelle]

Yeah. Lunging, fish AI, flying, diving, swimming, ambiance, map changes, balance, and more. All in one update

[astral crescent]

update 4 doesnt have as much work as completely making 2 unique playstyle dinos

[left nacelle]

Yeah update 4 is only 1 dino and a couple new mechanics iirc

[swift dew]

roadmap is changing so its impossible to tell since we have no idea what update 4 will bring, but if i had to guess, it would be less time than this update

[left nacelle]

Update 4 will definitely have pachy in it, we know that for sure, and I don't see the point in adding pachy without fractures

[zinc rivet]

but if Update 4's contents aren't changing, then I'm hopeful it'll be allot faster

Fractures are just a change-state thing. Get hit by X attack, change state to Y
Perk system could just be a hit a certain growth number and gain a perk point, spend point on a stat boost, and be expanded upon from there later
Pachy is just any other land dino so it should be easy to make, just gotta tie the Fracture mechanic to it's headbutt attacks

while Update 3 had to code in entirely distinct physics for water and air travel + allot of other harder shit

[astral crescent]

exactly

[left nacelle]

Perks probably won't do much - if anything - until elders are a thing, if I had to guess

[zinc rivet]

yea yea

[astral crescent]

update 4 should take way less time that it took update 3

[zinc rivet]

so I'm expecting Update 4 to arrive much faster

hopefully

Update 2 was only 2 or 3 months iirc

so hoping

[glad dirge]

well ideally they dont have to create 2 entirely different ways of motion so hopefully it doesnt take them as long

[zinc rivet]

exactly what i was sayin

[left nacelle]

They've already started work on Pachy too, and update 3 isn't even fully out yet so

[zinc rivet]

hype

[astral crescent]

tbh update 3 doesnt seem buggy at all

I dont think there is many things to change about it

[left nacelle]

I'm not even all that excited for pachy, but More animals = More variety = Interesting gameplay

Oh no there's definitely bugs lol

[astral crescent]

not as many as it could have

[glad dirge]

theres tons

[left nacelle]

I've encountered quite a few. Nothing gamebreaking tho

[glad dirge]

true true

[left nacelle]

Well, except for the one that makes ptera unable to fly until you swim or wallow. That one's probably as close to gamebreaking as you can get

[astral crescent]

yeah that one is annoying

[left nacelle]

I've only seen it once or twice tho

[zinc rivet]

I've found a few cuts in the map that small dinos can crawl through and enter The Void

[astral crescent]

and the cave entrance bug that sucks you in

is also annoying

[left nacelle]

Yeah, but at least that one's not hard to escape using the water boost

[left nacelle]

That is gamebreaking lol. Haven't seen that one

[zinc rivet]

do you know where Herbi Haven is?

[left nacelle]

Nope

[zinc rivet]

ah hold on

[astral crescent]

the smaller maps are definitely going to make the deino gameplay

way more interesting, or really bad

[glad dirge]

Hell I just want a pond lol

[astral crescent]

depending how many people are still playing deinos and how they go about it

[left nacelle]

I think the map expansion adding new water sources and more animal variety will make deino gameplay better

[glad dirge]

I dont think there will ever be a huge drop in deino population

[left nacelle]

Cause semi aquatics will be a good food supply for deino since they'll need to be near water

[astral crescent]

there will be a drop when other dinos release

[glad dirge]

well thats true

[astral crescent]

right now is way too much

[zinc rivet]

or be a good threat too

[glad dirge]

I enjoy the difficulty deino brings

[left nacelle]

I think only spino would really be a threat to deino

[zinc rivet]

somewhere in this ROUGH area, there's a collection of large rocks. Around the back of those rocks on a hill, there's a giant fucking cut that's large enough only for an adult crouching dryo to get through. Anything taller than that can't

[astral crescent]

I like the deino the only thing that ruins it is the people teaming on discord killing on sight

[left nacelle]

Oh damn

[astral crescent]

just to ruin ur progress so they can laugh for a few minutes

[glad dirge]

I know theres a cut in the rock at that pocket pond you can slip into to hide from big bois

[left nacelle]

And the stego bullying

[zinc rivet]

likely the same one I'm referrin to

or wait, in the rock?

[astral crescent]

ah yeah lets not mention the shallow river that you have to go across from center to south

[glad dirge]

yeah

[zinc rivet]

i might not know that one then

i'll needa find it 👀

[astral crescent]

that shallow river, if you ever encounter a stego u're dead

100%

[left nacelle]

I've been lucky, still have yet to have an issue in the shallow river lol

[glad dirge]

i shall go find it for yee

[astral crescent]

I came across a lot of issues there and even killed some people there aswell

[left nacelle]

Not gonna stop me from getting anxious whenever I'm there tho

[zinc rivet]

pls do!

[astral crescent]

its really painful

[left nacelle]

At least small deinos can water walk through it, so you can move quicker

[zinc rivet]

good, don't let your guard down haha. That area's a deathtrap for Deinos, it's the one place I feel safe to drink when I'm anything else

[astral crescent]

yeah but small deinos are dead aswell

they see you really easy

on the surface

[left nacelle]

Oh I didn't even think about using it as a drinking spot. That's

[zinc rivet]

bruh I use that as my fucking Tenonto highway

[astral crescent]

yeah that place is a really good drinkng spot

for baby stegos

and in general

[zinc rivet]

you can access it so easily from center, there's straight up a path to it

[mighty crater]

My dyro got chased away from a herd

[astral crescent]

yeah

[left nacelle]

I'm gonna be flying there from now on whenever I need water. Since I usually hang out around Center river as a ptera

[zinc rivet]

why people bother with the risky river leading to south pool I'll never understand because of how safe that northern river is

yea that's perfect

have you gone to the rock tunnel too btw?

[astral crescent]

ptera best drinking spot is on south

[zinc rivet]

it's perfect for Pteras

[astral crescent]

there is a waterfall you can safely drink

[zinc rivet]

so many cliffs and jutted out edges in that tunnel for Pteras to land on

look at the map I sent earlier for reference to Rock Tunnel if you donno it

[left nacelle]

I usually head to the rock arches when I just wanna chill

[glad dirge]

guh stinky utahs guarding the rock hole

I shall die to become something smaller

[astral crescent]

the patchy is gonna be the new deino when it releases

everyone going around ramming

lmao

[slim venture]

Ptera just feels like a flying dryo tbh

[glad dirge]

I like ptera only for map exploration

[slim venture]

You perch on a rock and hide for an hour so you can fly around and occasionally peck someone for a grand total of 0.4 damage and then get bodied by anything that isn't a millipede without legs

[glad dirge]

pffft

bruh am trying to get to the dum dum hole but these utahs are just standing there

like who tf just stands still for 10 minutes

[slim venture]

It'd genuinely be a more effective fighter if you could divebomb into your enemy and suicide-impale yourself into it.

[glad dirge]

I would do that 24/7

sometimes I aim for flying pteras so I can crash into them and make them fall into the river

[zinc rivet]

it kinda is tho

[slim venture]

It'd be nicer if it could swoop down and actually pick things up.

Like, big stamina loss, but you can pick things up and drop them from the sky.

[glad dirge]

I would enjoy that

something that promotes staying in the air

[slim venture]

Something just slightly more interesting than fly-by pecking

[swift dew]

that would be for quetz

[slim venture]

Well at least for the juvie animals that you can easily kill anyway.

[glad dirge]

Ive been standing here for 15 minutes and these utahs are just sitting and chatting, my gosh I have to find a different server to find my rock hole

[slim venture]

Like fishing but for someone's children

[glad dirge]

[zinc rivet]

but everything abt Ptera's balancing is designed against staying in the air too much lmao

they want you to land

to keep you at risk

[glad dirge]

ohhhh

yeah

[slim venture]

Yeah that's why I suggested the stamina penalty for snatching things

Yoink a small child and drop it into croc infested waters and then perch safely on the other side.
That'd make ptera my favorite dino alone.

[zinc rivet]

fuck no lol

that doesn't benefit you at all that's 100% trolling

that should stay in a game like Primal Carnage

[swift dew]

the benefit is the laugh

[zinc rivet]

cease

[slim venture]

Idk sounds pretty epic to me

[glad dirge]

god dammit why so many utahs in the stupid rock hole

[paper oriole]

I hope galli can punt juvies so i can kick babies into the river or off cliffs and laugh at their dire inconvenience

[glad dirge]

That would be amazing

[paper oriole]

Galli should be able to just stamp eggs in nests for nothing but a good laugh

[barren zephyr]

"fuck your ovaries"

[glad dirge]

https://imgur.com/IUyPb8J

I find a lot of babies hiding in here

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr the respawn timers are based on where you die, to help prevent revenge killing. if you spawn south, and travel all the way to the north spawn and die, the north spawn will be restricted

[glad dirge]

deinos naturally cannibalize so they wouldnt be punished if such a thing was added

[mental grail]

I think the map has a lot of bad things like that that can give players an unfair advantage and disadvantage and I think that shows a lack of close attention to detail and care on the designers part

@dapper mirage something like what you suggested would be nice but what could also work is if the game just kinda told you or clued you in better as to how certain things work and not just in reference to the how the creatures themselves work but also gameplay mechanics considering there are so many of them now very often lately ive seen symbols pop up on my hud and I have no clue how they work of even other things that dont show up on your hud like the grazing system for example I had to get it explained to me by a QA tester and supposedly the way it works is it will keep you from losing hunger but wont fill you up unless you are below 20% hunger anyway point is I had no clue as to how that works and there really is no way of knowing that I just think it would be nice if the game kinda told you more about how things actually work

I do think learning things without explanation is nice to an extent but for new players especially who have no clue what is going on a guiding hand would be nice when it comes to creatures and mechanics

and even as someone with like 800 hours its still hard to figure out what exactly is going on because there is so much changed and so many new things

Its just kinda sad when I have to ask a dev or a QA or something like that in discord to figure out how the game works

[manic flint]

What does crusty busty mean

[tepid river]

expanding on my colorblind mode suggestion here:
for example i have issues with red and green mostly. That makes it VERY difficult to see the scent of corpses in the grass, but also the yellow for tracks and herd scent markers are almost invisible to me against any foliage unless it's the middle of the night in most areas. Most of the time, in order to see scent particles, I have to tip my camera against the skybox to see, and at some times of day in game it's still quite hard, and now I can't see what I'm doing anymore or where im going if moving. Being able to change different scents to colors other than what's standard in the game, it would make gameplay significantly easier for me and I'm sure it would for anyone else.

A standard colorblind filter would work just as well and solve a lot of the problem, however some games do have issues where their colorblind filters are quite bad and more just shift the hue of the game, rather than being a true colorblind filter (World of Warcraft is particularly bad with this, and a major component of why I stopped playing completely). So in addition to changing scent colors, allow players to adjust their colorblind filters as well to suit their own needs.

Also having the scent particles be different shapes for different purposes can greatly help with vision impairments and colorblindness. Even if not using a colorblind filter or changing the color, players still immediately being able to tell the difference between a corpse and water by shape alone would be a great improvement.

using this screenshot as an example: I can barely tell the difference between the corpses on the left, and the water scent on the right, without adjusting my color settings externally

[barren zephyr]

That would make sense.

[barren zephyr]

made a few tweaks to me idea to

There should be template for the maps and the randomly generated stuff would be the terrain

[paper oriole]

Class

Just

Wtf man

[barren zephyr]

seriously…. the fuck

[paper oriole]

How does class not have any strikes yet lmao

[barren zephyr]

its magic at this point , dude is the luckiest man here

[paper oriole]

Well i mean a mute is close enough right

[manic ibex]

@dapper fossil People need to stop suggesting that kind of BS. Adding a debuff to cannibalising will not stop people from killing their own species. Why? Because there is a difference between just killing and killing and eating. And if a player has to choose between death by starvation or being a cannibal, they will choose being a cannibal because it's a survival game and a debuff is better than death.

[median karma]

@manic ibex I’m with you on this one mate

[zinc rivet]

@manic ibex they do actually have some sort of cannibalism debuff planned in the future

but like u said it probably won't stop it

[barren zephyr]

@stuck coyote Updating Legacy?

Never. Gonna. Happen.
They will shut it down in the future. And hopefully not too far future.

[ruby fern]

@worldly ginkgo deeper and wider rivers should help there. And the ability as deino to drown swimming stegos. On land on the other hand a deino should have to retreat into the water.

[worldly ginkgo]

They can walk in water just right before the limit to start swimming, and then swing the deinos to death

[hasty dagger]

@slim trout Deino is an ambush predator it isn’t meant to brawl for long periods, it’s meant to drag smaller prey into the depths for a quick kill.

[slim trout]

At the end of the day, you can't kill a stego even along the waters edge as a deino. 4 deinos get wrecked by a single stego still isn't right..

[hasty dagger]

Does a stego sound like “small prey” to you?

[slim trout]

Sounds like the only prey when theres like 6 of them camping any and all kills man

[manic ibex]

If Deino is 8 T and Stego is 5, then yeah, Stego is kinda a small prey item for deino

[hasty dagger]

Except my solution fixes the camping because the only way they can attack would be to get in the water, making them food.

[glad dirge]

🐟

[hasty dagger]

Deino dragging 5 tons with those tiny ass legs?

[manic ibex]

crocs drags big preys in water all the time

[hasty dagger]

Not 5 tons lol

[glad dirge]

But there's only a 3 ton difference, unlike carnos 6+ ton difference

Deinos can grab smaller steggies, not the big bois

You can grabs subs and such, not like steggos are completely off the table

[slim trout]

I don't like fighting stegs, but 4 adult deinos shouldnt be running from a single stego

[glad dirge]

I wouldn't call it running, I'd just say plain avoiding

It's different if it's on that shallow stretch, but if you get caught on that that's really on you

[slim trout]

It's running when they're after your ass for being a deino XD

[hasty dagger]

If 4 Deino’s can’t take a solo stego it’s their fault. Locational damage is a thing, and it’s deadly against a stego

[manic ibex]

just don't fight stegos on land

you're not a rex

[hasty dagger]

^

[slim trout]

I don't fight stegos on land, the issue is even fighting along the waters edge is awful

[glad dirge]

It's actually quite hard to fight big steggos without using lunge and even then you can't back up or move out of the way fast enough

[manic ibex]

don't even fight them. that's against your survival

[glad dirge]

It would be cool if deino had some more water mobility, like backing up on shores so they can grab and disappear

[hasty dagger]

But if we go with my suggestion, which is what the original argument was about, stego’s main weapon is out of commission along the water’s edge

[slim trout]

IF they go with your suggestion, it'll be a fix. but thats a big IF?

[hasty dagger]

Then what are we arguing about?

[slim trout]

The fact that stego's are basically going around wrecking all and every deino without an issue

[hasty dagger]

And I presented a solution, what else do you want me to do?

[glad dirge]

As it should really, they can flabble you with 4 to 5 hits to send you to space

[slim trout]

Is there anything you can do? Do you hold favor in the dev team or something?

[hasty dagger]

No, but that’s what the general feedback channel is for

[slim trout]

I honestly don't expect anything of you, as a Deino player who just was camped and surreounded by 6+ stegos, a whole bunch of carnos and utahs..I watched a stego take on 4 deinos and win along the banks. In 2 hrs they destroyed the deino pop and we couldnt even take a single stego. :/

[hasty dagger]

Which is why I made the suggestion-

[odd sedge]

Nerfing Stego makes no Sense, because it will be buffed in the future

[glad dirge]

Look at how much extra dam river deino has

Them steggies only have a sliver of land to deal with

[odd sedge]

I can get the problem, especially at with that river which connects the east part with the west part and it being too shallow. But if there are more rivers and more ponds with deeper pockets then the issue should solve itself, since deinos can then avoid contact with stegos

[haughty cliff]

it takes two deinos to kill 1 stego and they'll lose one, so that's a LITTLE exaggeration but agree that stegos shouldn't have 0 fear of deinosuchus.

Maybe walking on mud-flatted regions can be exhausting for dinos over a certain weight, since they'd sink? I might pop that as an idea in Feedback

[slim trout]

Im sure 2 can, but being surrounded by like 6 of them, hard to fight one without being ganked or them running away and switching out with a fresh stego. XD

@pseudo copper The same thing is happening in AU1 as your screenshot. Seems to be very common on all the servers now

[zinc rivet]

I don't understand why it's always chinese people, and they only play to grief

i just don't understand it

what do they gain from ruining the game for others constantly
and why are they always Chinese

i just don't understand

[pseudo copper]

Stegos camp every exit so you can’t leave. Carnos skim through the water when you need to catch a breath. Their adult deinosuchus was mainly there to kill our last line of Defense.

What do they get? Nothing. I don’t care if they are Chinese, German or Italian really, but I hope that even though it’s “just a test” servers will be monitored and these people be taken care off.

[slim trout]

On the server I played on. We avoided the steggos so they got a adult deino to come and kill anyone the stegos didn

t*

[pseudo copper]

Btw. It was the southern spawn area

[zinc rivet]

I'm only confused why it's always Chinese because TI has a big history w/ large groups of Chinese griefing like what do these people want why can't they just play the game normally

[pseudo copper]

Yeah in the end when our last adult died, their adult deinosuchus skimmed through and Annihalted every Juvi and sub

[slim trout]

I ended up logging before it got to that point, once they brought deinos in to kill..I just didn't want to play anymore..

we were such a chill group too

[pseudo copper]

I couldn’t sadly another hour wasted

[slim trout]

And they don't leave either, just camp for hrs

[pseudo copper]

My screenshot is very dark unfortunately, but they really had a whole setup going. Looks like they planned the whole damn thing

[slim trout]

we had stegos, utahs and carno everywhere

wish I got a SS

[pseudo copper]

As I explained above, yeah. 6 stegos were camping all exits, multiple carnos swam through the water in the event of one of us trying to breath

We tried to communicate with their deinosuchus who was just answering in what appeard to be Chinese

[slim trout]

Ooof

[past tusk]

easy fix for stego v deino debate. you dont even need to tweak deino dmg, but yes id like it they are the big suck right now. The viision/model was supposed to be deinos are kings in the water, so how about a deino is able to lunge and drown a stego but only if its swimming in the water since it has no anchor to the ground and weighs less 'floating'.
Ofc, the troll stegos will still dip in the water to try and tag you with their tail, maybe make their damage do considerably less if they breach the water like natural resistance of water molecules when passing a big object through it.

[zinc rivet]

that's somethin many are asking for

the ability to grab swimming animals

bind it to Alt RMB or somethin

i rly hope they add that coz it jus seems like common sense

[urban flax]

Now this is another level of not reading the rules

Ah they translated it

[glad dirge]

yes

[mental marlin]

the easy fix to the stego v deino debate is... stop attacking stegos as a deino

problem solved

[glad dirge]

lmao

[mental marlin]

you choose to attack a stego at your own risk , if you die to it its on you buddy

[past tusk]

you sound like a stego main

[mental marlin]

i do indeed osund like a stego main

but srly dying to stegos as a croc is like running into a brick wall and complaining that your skull cracked and not the concrete wall

[delicate tulip]

So...how do the mangroves sound to all of you?

[glad dirge]

✨ yes

Deino should be able to pull larger things underwater if they are swimming

[fervent vigil]

my friends key binds arent working he is unable to use exc and z button when flying in the stress test. is there a fix to this?

[past tusk]

you're looking at it all wrong, people just want a chance at them, they have sat on top for too long, they need balancing with the current roster. On land they are kings, but there should be a inherent risk if you go for a swim. What we all see now is stegos camping pocket falls or the east to west shallow river road just trolling.

[slim trout]

in pinned theres a solution about deleteing a file

[fervent vigil]

thank you!

[mental marlin]

the shallow river is unfortunate yes and like dondi said on his stream , not even supposed to be so shallow

[glad dirge]

Yeah but the tug of war was already listed as too problematic

[mental marlin]

so just give it time and you can cross it without a problem

[delicate tulip]

Yeah I love mangroves, also the water in these areas could be clearer as well forcing deinos to be skillful in taking down prey and other land based predators would have a better time searching for prey, it wouldn't be entirely clear but much clearer than the current murky water (I hate murky water)

[glad dirge]

Trike would just curbstomp deino

The man has tiny legs

If deinos can't yeet stegos they will do crap to trikes

[delicate tulip]

Trike weighs more and it's center of mass is closer to the ground, also it's feet and legs are much more different and stronger than a buffaloes

[slim trout]

I know theres crocs here in aus that take the big ass cows XD

Which in size would equal to deino and stego wise

[mental marlin]

just get it through those thick skulls , there will be things you just cant kill as the croc or rex etc

[glad dirge]

Trikes have more overall power than cows and buffalo tho

[mental marlin]

you wont be able to just destroy everything on sight , this aint legacy anymore

[glad dirge]

Their entire build is completely different

[slim trout]

No one wants deino to destroy everything but they should have a chance

of either defending or fighting off a steggo

[zinc rivet]

the issue isn't "deino can't kill stego", it's stegos are actively hunting down Deinos and trapping them in shallow or narrow areas they can't get out of

[delicate tulip]

Also deinos wouldn't risk getting stabbed by those horns

[glad dirge]

Deino shouldn't have a 50/50 chance against trikes tho

Thats just