general-feedback-discussion

[barren zephyr]

the big funny

[terse hornet]

I was wondering why I didn't see anything wrong now I know why...Gar beat me to it

[barren zephyr]

lol

[noble pine]

I look at that and go “that’s something I would’ve laughed at when I was 13”

[feral wedge]

Technically, Niko beat me to it.

[terse hornet]

[brave rampart]

When your lower subordinates beat you to it

[noble pine]

I’m sure that’s a day to day thing for you guys

[barren zephyr]

and an escape from the toxic land of players

[noble pine]

Exactly

[barren zephyr]

tis why I love the idea of removing global chat

[noble pine]

Why not remove, all chats

[barren zephyr]

yeah

besides Group chat 50/50 on that

[mild socket]

Group chat is good but only when your pack mates are in sync. If not your just gonna give up your position immediately

[barren zephyr]

yeah pretty much

[noble pine]

I still think the f call shouldn’t have changed from how it use to be

The sound you make when you send a message should’ve only been for when you send a message, things like spino had a badass f call back in 2017 but they were changed.

[barren zephyr]

yes

[noble pine]

Or the f call could be random lengths since it’s a generic call

[barren zephyr]

yes

[mild socket]

idk I like the if you wanna talk your gonna move your mouth probably just a preferance

[noble pine]

Yeah

[barren zephyr]

it's why I like to use Discord to talk with my mates when playing Isle together

[noble pine]

But I would’ve prefer 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, message

[mild socket]

imagine

[barren zephyr]

it's better

[barren zephyr]

I saw someone in general feedback saying they could fix Alberto model by calling it Daspletosaurus. The main reason why that probs isn't likely is that the main reason that they choose dinosaurs is because of either their abilities, or their names, and in this case Albertosaurus as a name sounds much more cool and easy to say than Daspletosaurus. This is the same reason they called the raptors in JP Velociraptor, because it sounded better.

[crystal sage]

Not only that, but Daspleto is already in PoT

[junior crow]

@flat ridge figured I'd let you know you can downvote the new model in phase two now

[barren zephyr]

oh that's smart

the devs should be doing that more often

[barren zephyr]

@supple garnet they're sticking to the 2019 model

• the game is not about accuracy

It's why they've got pronated hands on utahraptor (despite it being anatomically wrong and impossible for the wrist joint to rotate) or a concave belly on the rex (even though the ribcage was more barrel-like)

[supple garnet]

Yeah, I guess. Most if not all raptors species were feathered too and that’s not present in the game.

[barren zephyr]

The developers just don't give too much of a fuck about accuracy, even if some things are more appealing than what is shown in game

[steady lintel]

@quartz wadi its a multiplayer game why be in agreement with taking away social interaction. im not even completely in agreement with herd invites but still why make the game so non interactive within communities. For realism? if the devs wanted realism they should get rid of these Frankenstein dinos first then maybe id see what they trying to pitch

[barren zephyr]

There is a difference between realism and scientific accuracy

Who needs realism anyways

Just have flying dryos

[steady lintel]

the quality or fact of representing a person, thing, or situation accurately or in a way that is true to life.

id argue scientific accuracy goes hand in hand with what realism represents

[barren zephyr]

well yes but actually no

[barren zephyr]

@quartz wadi we could see some fixes for the blood screen in update 4 hopefully

[wanton hull]

Where do people get the idea that alberto was a skinny pursuit predator?

[kindred flare]

@plucky totem how is evrima barely playable?

[silent current]

why is that even a question? you constantly get disconnected from a server, sometimes every few minutes and there's not enough content to keep a person interested for more than 2 weeks

[wraith geyser]

Testing Evrima this morning. Great version, great potential... But development is so long

[odd sedge]

Fair enough, play another game then, until it has more content

[lofty pagoda]

what

[barren zephyr]

Hmmm I’m seeing a lot of people say they should hire more animators and programmers and here are my thoughts on it

While yes hiring more would certainly help a bit, you have to take into account that lots of people will probably be signing up for it and they can only choose so many, now I don’t know how they distribute money (because it’s not my business to) but I do remember saying it takes thousands of dollars to make a single Dino into the game cause these people have lives they need to be able to pay for and I’m not gonna go into this any more but they can’t just hire lots of people and call it good

[urban flax]

Make new temporary models then replace them all with new ones for absolutely no reason as development goes ? Great idea

[paper geyser]

yeah i get the idea but making temporary models is a horrible idea

[barren zephyr]

Making temporary models is like I’m sorry but the worst idea, your literally making models only to replace them, your basically paying modelers to make unnecessary models

[scarlet dock]

I never said temporary models. The ultimate goal is to have more models.

Models for server hosts that want traditional dinosaurs, and models for those who want to host the isle experience.

It has already been discussed that both will exist. So why force work on models for a gritty horror game that isn't even out yet, vs. A dino simulation that already is.

[paper geyser]

it hasn't. It's been discussed that we might have some alternative skins for feathering and such

creating a whole new roster of different models is a bad idea

[scarlet dock]

Alternative skins is okay for fathers, but not ok for anything else? Really?

Why?

[urban flax]

Feathers are very different than an all-new model

It doesn't require additionnal rigging and animating

[paper geyser]

because feathers are only for select dinosaurs which will still have some degree of fictionalisation. They aren't remaking every single dinosaur to be accurate

[urban flax]

Plus, they're not making any new models for dinos whilst the game is still in beta. They might add feathers for example once the game is in "final version", when humans are released, but I don't really see them adding it sooner than that.

[paper geyser]

yeah it really is a waste of resources to work on non-priority things this early on

[scarlet dock]

It's not a waste at all.

Skins are art assets. Coders aren't making them.

It's faster to render and skin an item than to qa and code a game.

[urban flax]

Why work on additional models and texturing for dinos that are already in the game instead of doing the ones that still need one ?

[paper geyser]

they haven't finished making the rest of the roster. You're asking them to deviate from main content to make secondary skins

[scarlet dock]

I'm asking them to focus on aesthetics and skins that make sense for the game as it is now, instead of skinning creatures that don't make sense for the world we have now.

[urban flax]

But those skins will stop making sense later on and they will have to scrap them

[scarlet dock]

Realism will never stop making sense.

[urban flax]

When your game is in beta stage, you don't create additional content to remain coherent to the fact it lacks content. You do what you can to get it out of beta as soon as possible.

[cyan flame]

Are you just asking for more skins, or actual models? Skins I could possibly see, but then the skins we have are pretty realistic I think? I wouldn't mind if someone made some alternate but similar versions of what we have, if only to break up packs and herds a little while still looking similar enough.

[urban flax]

Dinos in the Isle ARE human-made and genetically modified. So if you get 100% accurate dinos, yes, it will stop make sense once humans are in and it becomes evident that they are man-made. Tbh even right now it wouldn't make much sense

Even though humans aren't in-game yet, they are already a part of it. They're part of the lore, and we can already see their influence on the map with buildings.

[ashen wasp]

I guess it doesn't quite make internal sense for people to genetically engineer both accurate and inaccurate morphs of animals of the same species that differ so much as to require custom models in-game. Options for integument, i can see, but it would have to be justified in-universe, yeah??

[scarlet dock]

Some people who have been playing the game since available love the realism feel.

We already have multiple realism servers, and people who want to host human devoid servers as well.

And devs have already said those would be options.

Until this most recent round of renders, most of the dinos have been authentic (or at least classic). Now we have dinosaurs that are drastically different from what they "would be"

Instead of berating people who have backed the game for years and telling them they aren't worth the time in the game future (the devs have not said this, but this conversation seems to), get in front of the problem, and make assets for both game modes.

Even if we are talking about the theory that all these dinos are genetically engineered. The company would need stable blank slates to modify and test their success against.

[paper geyser]

assets for "realism" won't be made, nothing has been said about them ever doing that

maybe as dlc, which they have spoken about before

whether you're a long time backer or not doesn't change the direction of the game

[scarlet dock]

Assets for realism already were. They are updating their models away from realism.

As for "won't be made", definitely wont unless it is asked for. This is a suggestion box for asking for things. Right?

[urban flax]

They're planning on modding support if I'm not mistaken. Realism servers are community made, they're merely authorized by the game. They may use realistic skin mods in the future

But asking the devs to do realistic skins is like asking Skyrim devs to make futuristic assets because people would like to roleplay that way

[scarlet dock]

That is a grossly wrong analogy. Firstly because skyrim isn't even multiplayer.

Second, it already has sci fi elements. Dwemer specifically have robots, and and evolved to transcend the mortal plane.

I am asking that instead of completely abandoning the more realistic models for fiction, they make plans to prevent the alienation of their player base who don't want it said fiction.

Those that want to play the more simulation/ realism modes that would be forever destroyed by the... fictionalized genetically engineered mutant strains that are becoming standard models now.

[paper geyser]

...which were always planned to be implemented

[urban flax]

The fact it is multiplayer or not doesn't matter
And I said futuristic but that could've been anything, this is just an example.

I'm gonna try to explain it to you with another example

[scarlet dock]

Thank you. If that's the case, then why are you arguing it as a waste of time.

[paper geyser]

the "fictionalized genetically engineered mutant strains" were always planned to be implemented.

you just don't like the direction of the game

which is fine, but i doubt it'll change because of a misunderstanding

[urban flax]

You're an artist, portraying some woman. You've just begun and you started by doing her, you haven't done the background yet.
Then someone tells you that since there is no background yet, it looks like she is in a blizzard and she must be cold. So you should draw her warm clothes. Even if that's temporary.

[scarlet dock]

I love the direction of the game.

I am aware after a vibrant discussion in boosters that my opinion isn't the only one that matters.

Why cause the alienation and potential abandonment of a whole demographic of your player base... when you don't have to.

[paper geyser]

why waste money and time creating new content because a small minority misunderstands the aim of your game?

[urban flax]

But they'd have to do something else that doens't follow the direction of the game

[scarlet dock]

Because it isn't small.

[worn pumice]

arent hypers and strains overall same with factions of creatures u can play gonna be toggable anyways?

[paper geyser]

take a sample from this server and you'll see it is minuscule and not worth the effort to please

[ashen wasp]

yall both have points-- id also like to see some more realistic (if not less-stylized) models, but i also think that the chances of the devs adding doubles of every species that goes off-model from fossil evidence are slim-- instead, i think we should focus on providing feedback on our currently-planned models, rather than hoping for alternatives down the line.

the more fictionalized the models for base creatures become, however, the more they tend to "bridge the gap" between themselves and Strains, which could take away from the whole intended "genetically-engineered abomination" effect they currently have going for them. it's about aesthetic cohesion, i think. so to keep them distinct, i'd say to make changes to concepts like shortening Austro's skull or smoothing out Anky's armor plating.

[paper geyser]

i agree, i'd prefer more proportionate and realistic models too, but asking for a realistic alternative for every single asset is incredibly unrealistic

[scarlet dock]

Can you please show me the meta data for that? Or do I have only your word for it?

[paper geyser]

you have my word and the entire server at your disposal. Take a survey if you must

[scarlet dock]

Nah. I'll take it from watching which servers were full, and which servers were empty, prior to evrima.

[scarlet dock]

Doesn't necessarily need to be every asset. Just the most divergent ones.

But I do like diversity. And honestly would like to see both assets thrive.

[scarlet dock]

I love the idea of randomly generated poi with loot and vehicles.

I want to keep those humans exploring the world, looking for goodies, and then getting eaten :p

[urban flax]

I'm not sure I like this idea on classes
Isn't that a little unfit for a survival game ?

[worn pumice]

yea i dont think classes for a survival game is necessary

if u want to be more of a repair merc just search around for things of that nature

[urban flax]

Okay it may just be that I don't know english military language but... Butt stocks don't evoke weapon attachments at all in my mind

[paper geyser]

butt stock is the layman term, it's just called a stock

[barren zephyr]

I say butt stock cause its on the butt of the rifle

[hybrid matrix]

well i mean mercs should rely on each other for protection
also this adds to the horror imo
imagine u just spawned in as a mechanic, or a medic
u have no weapons
u dont kno where u r
u try to radio for someone, but u cant get the frequency right
u begin walking, trying to find a building or a vehicle
and then, u hear it. There's something behind u
u have no weapons
u turn around and see a snout, poking out from a bush
u realize wuts about to happen....

[urban flax]

Yeah but then people are just not gonna spawn as a medic

[paper geyser]

yeah i don't like the idea of classes, defeats the purpose of a survival game

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but then if nobody spawns as a medic, who's gonna heal injuries?
u need a medic if u want to stay alive

[hybrid matrix]

dont forget, this is also a horror game

[urban flax]

In every game I know except ONE, people never play support classes unless they are compelled to do so or they sometimes when they are playing with a friend

[paper geyser]

a survival horror. You don't need classes to create horror

[worn pumice]

ur gonna heal inuries on ur own

like every other animal ever

[scarlet dock]

Original content mentioned classes for mercs. Specifically a difference between scientists and mercs.

Having kits/skills could he interesting.

How will humans advance? Do they gain xp instead of growth? Is it purely based on gear?

[paper geyser]

it's also just stupid for mercs to not know how to treat injuries unless they're a medic

[hybrid matrix]

unsuccessfully

[hybrid matrix]

except i didnt say that

[worn pumice]

unsuccessfully

[hybrid matrix]

anyone can treat injuries
but not as well as a medic

[worn pumice]

humans can heal things on their own

[urban flax]

If medics are necessary to heal injuries, then that'll be the opposite
Everyone will play medic

[worn pumice]

how do u think we survived ages ago

[urban flax]

Since you can still loot weapons anyway and become a medic with a minigun

[paper geyser]

this is the equivalent of encouraging packing. A merc shouldn't need to rely on others to survive. If you can't find a medic you'll be stuck with injuries all the time

[cyan flame]

What you could do is give a choice of equipment when you start, and a choice of how much of anything you want, obviously you couldn't get everything, but you could trade a flashlight for one more medic pack, and so on.

[barren zephyr]

Having to rely on a class that no one might be online as when you're bleeding to death to help you stop bleeding feels really wrong

[hybrid matrix]

ok look ur purposely jumping to conclusions
i shouldve been more specific
i tried to say
NON-MEDICS CAN USE FIRST AID KITS TOO

[urban flax]

I like this better

[hybrid matrix]

u can heal urself with a first aid kit

[scarlet dock]

This isn't JUST a horror game. Survival too. Mercs are going to have a lot going on. Looting, managing/repairing/using poi structures. Vehicles. Player deployed structures. Player deployed defenses, walls, power, etc.

The idea that you would need some specialization for certain tasks is not unheard of.

[paper geyser]

i agree with erik, being able to choose equipment is a better idea than having set classes

[hybrid matrix]

thank you

ok so lemme get this straight

[worn pumice]

u can always heal urself on ur own

[paper geyser]

but then all equipment would need to be perfectly balanced to not create a meta

[hybrid matrix]

u like wut im saying
but u dont like wut im saying

[worn pumice]

i get using med kits to say heal faster but u should be able to heal on ur own

[hybrid matrix]

thats not wut im saying

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, like you can either spawn with a flashlight, medkit or radio for example

[worn pumice]

thats what im saying

[hybrid matrix]

ok
the way u said it made me think u were misunderstanding wut i said

anyway i can change my suggestion to make it more clear

[worn pumice]

no no im just saying that humans like every animal ever can heal on their own

[hybrid matrix]

bc i think that each class should have those as default loadouts

[paper geyser]

classes/default specialisations are a horrible idea imo. The closest thing we should get to that is perks

[hybrid matrix]

like a medic would have a flashlight, a radio, and a first aid kit as its default but then u could change it

[hybrid matrix]

no i mean like when u first select a class those would be the defaults, and u could change it

[worn pumice]

no this is a survival game and as a merc u should scavenge around to find what things u want/need

[paper geyser]

if you can change them then what's the point of having classes?

[worn pumice]

loadouts are not needed

[paper geyser]

and yeah what lion said

[hybrid matrix]

bc u could only change the flashlight and radio

[worn pumice]

actually thats a good point if u can just switch it then loadouts r useless

[paper geyser]

every merc should get the same equipment on spawn, the rest should 100% be scavenged

[worn pumice]

this isnt cod

[cyan flame]

You wouldn't need default loadouts, I figure there are both some things every merc gets, and then beyond that you could have slight choice of more or less of something, according to what you think you might be better at. Beyond that, it's scavenging for drops and bases and all that which goes.

[paper geyser]

what's the point of adding classes anyway? Literally all it does is complicate things and reduce the survival aspect

[hybrid matrix]

im just trying to work with wut u guys are saying

[hybrid matrix]

how does it reduce the survival aspect

tf?

[worn pumice]

if u have the choice of being the type of merc u wanna be then classes dont make any sense

if u wanna be medic go search around for things like that

[hybrid matrix]

again
im trying to work with wut ur saying

[paper geyser]

because you are literally spawning with things instead of scavenging for them??

it isn't that hard to grasp

[hybrid matrix]

ur spawning with the worst things in the game

a flashlight with low battery

a radio that doesnt even work

and a knife

[paper geyser]

so what's the point?

tell me, what do classes add to the game?

[worn pumice]

"What if there were different "classes of mercs to choose from?" from your suggestion im just saying this isnt needed when u can just switch ur gear at any point

[hybrid matrix]

they make it so that mercs need each other
u kno theres gonna be those dumbasses trying to survive solo

[paper geyser]

yeah, that's like making stegos need to be in herds to survive

[worn pumice]

u shouldn't need to rely on other mercs to survive

[paper geyser]

i don't want to be punished just because i don't want to play with other mercs that might shoot me in the back at any moment

[worn pumice]

thats like saying utah needs to be in a pack to survive

[hybrid matrix]

well then why spawn in with shitty supplies if ur not supposed to rely on each other

[paper geyser]

you're the one advocating for that lmao

[worn pumice]

becuz ur meant to go search and find those supplies

on ur own

[hybrid matrix]

ok so lemme get this straight

[worn pumice]

thats what the main gameplay of mercs is

getting better by exploring buldings and such

[hybrid matrix]

u want to play a game where u spawn in as a useless fuck and u try to get better equipment by exploring an island full of dinosaurs?

[cyan flame]

I'll have to agree with the others, I don't see a need for classes, but I can see a slight choice of starting loadout being positive, as long as it's still limited and balanced. But being able to have one more box of ammo vs a medikit could possibly work. If you're more comfortable shooting and a good shot, go for that, if you're more of the careful and sneaky one, you might try for something else. It obviously would only last for the absolute basics, but it would give you a slight change in how you approach your survival possibly.

And yeah, no, let's not do the whole "need others to survive", it's bad when it comes to dinosaurs, and I don't think it would be much better as mercs. You'll have reasons to team up anyway I'm sure for greater stuff, but not for basic survival.

[paper geyser]

yes?? Lmao that's literally what a survival game is

[worn pumice]

yes?

[hybrid matrix]

Ok so

[worn pumice]

wdym

lol

[hybrid matrix]

Ig u wanna play Ark then?

bc thats literally wut ark is

[worn pumice]

[paper geyser]

uhhh

i think you're running out of things to say

[worn pumice]

theres gonna be other humans btw

and tribals

and cannibals

whenever these r added

[hybrid matrix]

dude ur saying that u want ark but u can also play as a dino

[paper geyser]

we want a survival game that doesn't expect you to be in a group to survive. It isn't that hard to understand

[worn pumice]

stop bringing ark into this

[paper geyser]

and playing with other people isn't ark? What point are you even making

[worn pumice]

ark and the isle r different in many ways

[cyan flame]

How did this go from maybe giving mercs a bit of customization in the way of surviving to talking about ark and stuff?

[paper geyser]

i wonder that too

[worn pumice]

[hybrid matrix]

bc i rlly dont understand wuts bad about classes

IRL U RELY ON OTHERS TO HELP U SURVIVE

[worn pumice]

this is a game

not irl

[scarlet dock]

I'm fairly certain that mercs will spawn with a minimum of equipment, Including ammo. Probably a knife and flashlight.

Conserving that ammo, batteries, and scavenging for greater equipment, food, and shelter, and eventually expand to control poi and do research is what its all about.

[worn pumice]

nah if u spawn in with ammo then its too easy

[paper geyser]

it is a survival game and not real life, the point is to scavenge and survive by any means necessary. Spawning in with classes that give you specific items is counter intuitive

[worn pumice]

a merc doesnt have to grow

[hybrid matrix]

U RELY ON STORES FOR FOOD
U RELY ON LANDLORDS FOR SHELTER (unless u dont rent)
U RELY ON UR COMPANY FOR UR SALARY

[urban flax]

The absence of classes doesn't make it so you won't be stronger with others

[worn pumice]

this isnt irl lmao

[cyan flame]

@hybrid matrix Maybe it's not so much that there's something bad, as it is just not neccesary. A slight choice in starting equipment would work fine to give you your personal touch to how to survive. And in any case, that should not mean you rely on someone else for survival. You are on your own, and other mercs are just as likely to team up as to shoot you and take your stuff probably, especially if you've scavenged cool stuff from some drop.

[worn pumice]

this is the isle a fucking video game

[paper geyser]

this man really talking about the fucking government

jesus christ

[worn pumice]

how is the government even in this convo lol

[paper geyser]

i think you're just a little confused

[hybrid matrix]

hell yeah im confused u been tryina tell me that merc classes r bad

[paper geyser]

they are

[worn pumice]

they ar

e

[hybrid matrix]

they arent

[paper geyser]

we've been telling you for almost half an hour why they're bad but you refuse to listen

[worn pumice]

why spawn in as say a medic when u can just switch gear at any point

what was the point of even being it

[hybrid matrix]

BC I DIDNT SAY THAT

THAT WAS ME TRYING TO LEVEL WITH U

NOT MY ORIGINAL FUCKING IDEA

[paper geyser]

stop using caps, you look like a child

be civil

[worn pumice]

ur original idea is having classes for mercs

[hybrid matrix]

yes

exactly

[worn pumice]

and so were both saying

[hybrid matrix]

not switching GEAR

[worn pumice]

its a bad idea

[scarlet dock]

I can't picture mercs not starting with the minimum pistol and ammo. Otherwise you are just fodder.

The devs already had a round of "make people play as tacos" and it wasn't very popular. I doubt they will ever release a completely defenseless game play again.

[hybrid matrix]

but WHY
is it
a bad
idea

[worn pumice]

becuz u can switch gear at any time

[paper geyser]

go back and read the 50 messages we said explaining why

please

read

[hybrid matrix]

thats wut u said not wut i said

[worn pumice]

no point in being a medic if ur gonna just switch

[hybrid matrix]

thats not part of my idea

[worn pumice]

ok honestly this is

just read the messages above

[cyan flame]

There is no need for merc classes, simple as that really. And if you can change your starting stuff anyway, why not just make it loadouts then instead.

[worn pumice]

^

[paper geyser]

^

[hybrid matrix]

u see
this i understand
i can understand this message
it makes any amount of sense

[hybrid matrix]

this message
does not

[worn pumice]

[paper geyser]

i'm tired of repeating myself, scroll up and read

[scarlet dock]

So, to repair and hook up the fusion reactor in the bio lab, you don't need to be a scientist or technician with educational experience. Just grab a tool belt and some scrap?

[hybrid matrix]

all ur saying is "merc classes r bad bc it removes survival"
how tf does it do that
"merc classes dont matter if u can just switch"
except they do bc a mechanic cant preform surgury on a dinosaur bite

[cyan flame]

Basic loadout for every merc + choice of "extra", such as batteries for flashlight, ammo box for your pistol, extra medikit or something for envriomental issues. Bascially a slight choice in how you personally want to approach your survival, do you prefer to sneak in darkness, shoot your way out of trouble, or just try and survive by way of taking the dangerous routes and have extra medical aid if you fall down a too steep slope or something.

[paper geyser]

i explained quite a few times why it removes the survival aspect. Once again, scroll up and read

[worn pumice]

again pls scroll up im tired of repeating myself

[cyan flame]

@hybrid matrix Yeah okay, but that's bad then. You don't want to limit the mercs like that, them being mercs are the limited gameplay in the first place, unlike the tribal or a specific dino.

[hybrid matrix]

ok so its fine that pounce is limited to utah but its not fine that preforming surgery is limited to someone with training

ok

👍

[paper geyser]

????

[cyan flame]

Yes, because all utahs can pounce.

[paper geyser]

that's a ridiculous comparison lmao

[cyan flame]

All the mercs sent are trained for the mission most likely, at least in some manner.

[worn pumice]

shoot me pls

[hybrid matrix]

so is comparing surviving in a group of mercs to stego needing a herd for protection

[worn pumice]

all utahs can pounce becuz their all utahs

[cyan flame]

Otherwise we might as well have non merc classes too, scientist and stuff

[paper geyser]

except those are literally the same thing

[hybrid matrix]

and all mechanics can fix a jeep engine because their all mechanics

[worn pumice]

mechanics is a skill

[cyan flame]

Maybe my example wasnt the best, sorry, but I'm trying to say that I think the mercs should all be capable of doing the same stuff

[paper geyser]

all mercs can fix engines and heal wounds because they are mercenaries trained to survive on a goddamn dinosaur island. Listen to yourself

[worn pumice]

if u give everyone the ability be a mechanic then it makes for more interesting gameplay

[cyan flame]

Sorry Lion, Kato, maybe I only made it worse :p

[worn pumice]

wait what did u say that was confusing

[paper geyser]

i don't want to be locked out of fixing something or improving my situation because "oh no no, you didn't pick the mechanic class!!"

[hybrid matrix]

yes yes yes a surgeon has to train for years b4 they can get their liscense but a merc who went to 3 training seminars knows how to remove an appendix

[paper geyser]

it's horrible a gameplay mechanic

[worn pumice]

having classes is limiting mercs and their already limited

[paper geyser]

in what world are you doing brain surgery and removing an appendix in the isle? You're attacking a strawman

[cyan flame]

But all mercenaries are mercenaries and should have the same mechanics available to them. You'll still most likely need to team up to be safe anyway, both for a squad having a different loadout for different dinosaurs, as well as maybe need more people to get a full base running anyway.

So you're still going to have both teamwork and most likely infighting between mercs, no need for classes for that.

[worn pumice]

if u need to be a medic to heal or a mechanic to repair vehicles its gonna be bad for mercs

[paper geyser]

^

relying on others for things like healing and repairing is detrimental and only worsens gameplay

[worn pumice]

^

[hybrid matrix]

ur twisting my words
i never said u cant heal other ppl
in fact, i said U CAN USE A FIRST AID KIT AS ANY CLASS

u can use FUCKING KNIFE
AS ANY CLASS

[paper geyser]

but you said if you're not a medic you can't heal successfully?

pick a story

[worn pumice]

no its not about that bruh were talking about how u said u want classes but were saying classes r bad for the game in general

its like making certain carnos charge and others swing their head

[cyan flame]

So you just want very specific things limited then. But again, there's no need, or good reason for it, I don't think. I'm not going to be playing merc, but I couldn't see it being fun because this is not a quick team pvp game where classes can make some sense. You might not even meet another merc, or just as likely shoot and loot them.

[paper geyser]

this is what i've been trying to say. What's the actual benefit that comes from adding classes?

[cyan flame]

That's pretty much what I was trying to say I think. Well said :p

[worn pumice]

thats the best example i could think of

[hybrid matrix]

im sorry but when did i say u cant use a first aid kit if ur not a medic
anyone can use a first aid kit
im saying that u cant heal a guy that got mauled by a raptor if ur not a medic with the right supplies
sure u can use a first aid kit to try and keep them alive, but u cant fix the injury completely

[paper geyser]

now you're twisting my words. You literally said non-medics can heal but unsuccessfully

[worn pumice]

exactly this part right here "im saying that u cant heal a guy that got mauled by a raptor if ur not a medic with the right supplies
sure u can use a first aid kit to try and keep them alive, but u cant fix the injury completely" is the problem

[paper geyser]

and again, that's just shitty gameplay

[worn pumice]

ur limiting merc gameplay

[paper geyser]

i don't want to be stuck with an injury because i'm not a medic

it's incredibly stupid to rely on classes for things

[hybrid matrix]

but ur not stuck with an injury bc u can try to use a first aid kit

[paper geyser]

you just said you can't fix it completely

[worn pumice]

yea but if u cant use it properly whats the point

[paper geyser]

this is fruitless, i think i'm done here

[hybrid matrix]

yeah i kno i didnt say otherwise
ur twisting wut i said

[worn pumice]

no they said it how it is u said in ur paragraph that u cant fix it completely

theres no twisting words

[hybrid matrix]

except there is

i didnt say that u could use the first aid kit to fix it completely

[worn pumice]

honestly im done here

[hybrid matrix]

i said that u could try to heal it

[worn pumice]

gonna leave before i get aggrivated

cheers

[hybrid matrix]

ur only just now getting aggrivated? ig that means my arguments arent as stupid as urs
i havent gotten a single reason from u that its not a good idea

[worn pumice]

pls read the text above

ive given many examples

[hybrid matrix]

none of them made sense but aight

[worn pumice]

yea sure

[hybrid matrix]

maybe if u did a better job explaining i wouldve understood ur side

erik did well

he made sense

[worn pumice]

again i already made myself clear above

im not repeating myself

[hybrid matrix]

u werent clear at all

[worn pumice]

I was

[hybrid matrix]

u werent

i thought u were leaving
ig that wasnt clear either

[worn pumice]

this is exactly why im leaving

[scarlet dock]

I mean. This seems like a no Brainer?

Why not have multiple ways of recovering from said broken leg.

Broken leg, sux but can heal over long time.

Splint can be applied by anyone.
Tourniquet can be applied by anyone.
Aspirin can be taken by anyone.
Faster recovery.

Morphine requires a trait/perk to use (wrong doses can be lethal)
Medical surgery if you have the right perk/trait and medical facility available.

Fastest recovery.

[worn pumice]

u should post this is general-feedback

[scarlet dock]

I think even dayz has a similar system.

[worn pumice]

seems like a cool idea

[hybrid matrix]

yes this is wut im trying to say

u can use smthn simple to try and keep urself alive for longer

but u cant rlly fix it 100% without a medic to help u

[worn pumice]

"im saying that u cant heal a guy that got mauled by a raptor if ur not a medic with the right supplies
sure u can use a first aid kit to try and keep them alive, but u cant fix the injury completely" is what u said

this is limiting gameplay

[hybrid matrix]

but its not limiting gameplay if u cant tame a dino as a merc?
"tribals can tame dinos go play a tribal"
ok well mechanics can fix vehicles go play a mechanic

[worn pumice]

like we've all said above, if u need a medic then its gonna limit gameplay for mercs since u can never heal fully if ur not one

see but thats the thing so

tribals taming dinos is for every tribal on the island

[hybrid matrix]

think of it like this

[worn pumice]

u dont have certain tribals taming dinos and others doing something else

[hybrid matrix]

mercs are like carnivores herbivores and omnivores on the menu screen
if u click on mercs, u can choose from each class the way u would choose wut dino u wanna play
each merc can do smthn else, sorta like a unique ability (for example utah pounce, carno charge, etc)

[worn pumice]

this doesnt make sense tho as every merc is a human

giving different humans different abilities doesnt make sense

its like a utah has pounce

all utahs have pounce not just certain utahs

so let mercs be able to be what they want

[hybrid matrix]

yeah but ur not paying attention to wut im saying

[scarlet dock]

Do raptors cause bleed currently? They don't break... so.

Human takes damage.
Heals slowly over time, detrimental effects depending on wounds.

Bandages anyone can apply.
Asprin anyone can take.
Heal faster.

Sutchers with medical perk/trail
Morphine with medical perk/trait
Access to medical poi
Fastest healing.

[worn pumice]

i am and its going to limit gameplay for mercs if u need to rely on other mercs

oh i cant fix this car becuz im not a mechanic

does that sound fun

[hybrid matrix]

dude

[worn pumice]

this is literally what ur saying

[hybrid matrix]

it encourages mercs to try and find each other

otherwise mercs wont need each other and they will shoot u in the back

[worn pumice]

they should do that on their own anyways to gain an advantage

and again

if mercs need to be with other mercs to survive thats bad balance

[paper geyser]

their encouragement is the fact that the island is full of fucking dinosaurs. How much more encouragement is needed?

[cyan flame]

@scarlet dock Maybe if it's perks that anyone can choose, and not locked to a class. But even then, I don't know, I figure it would be good enough with some things that are in bases, that you might need others to help you keep running anyway. Rather than perks, much less classes.

Ability to run a big base at max capacity maybe Kato. I could see that being a thing, restoring a base would probably be too much job for a single merc, especially keeping it safe from any curious utah that might want to get in at that.

[hybrid matrix]

u say this as if the players of this game are smart enough to group up with each other

[paper geyser]

yeah that's sound, I'm just saying class-based skills aren't needed to encourage grouping

[worn pumice]

yea i have no problem with mercs needing each other for that, but if other mercs need each other to survive thats just bad balance

[cyan flame]

You don't need classes to make mercs want each other around. Something as simple as not being able to have all the weapons at the same time. Sure, you can haul a sniper rifle, but then you suck if a herrera sees you. Now if you had a friend with a more effective gun with you, that could cover that.

[paper geyser]

life will be harder as a lone merc, but you shouldn't be at a disadvantage due to locked abilities/skills as a result

[worn pumice]

^

[scarlet dock]

Having played this game. I can confirm that if I found a jeep that needed a new wheel, and I drove it to a techie to fix it. He would shoot me and take the jeep :p

[cyan flame]

So you already have reasons to squad up and take different positions when it comes to weapons and just.. you know, more eyes, more ways to look out for danger, and stuff.

[paper geyser]

the idea is that a merc should be able to live completely solo. If that's not possible then what is even going on?

[worn pumice]

if merc needs other players to survive then somthing is wrong

[cyan flame]

@scarlet dock Sound logic right there, you get all the shiny stuff for yourself, no need to share food or anything else. :p

[hybrid matrix]

wait
a human with minimal training and equipment should be able to survive on an island full of FUCKING DINOSAURS?!

[paper geyser]

Yes.

[worn pumice]

yes

[paper geyser]

this is a survival game, not real life

[worn pumice]

video game logic not real life

[cyan flame]

There should be limits to that too, so you can't just squad up and cover all weaknesses. More group members have both ups and downs, as it should be.

[hybrid matrix]

u see
im starting to understand how i must sound to u

[paper geyser]

yeah, delusional

[hybrid matrix]

exactly

at least we can agree that we both sound like fucking idiots

HOW IS JOHNNY HOTBODY SUPPOSED TO SURVIVE ON AN ISLAND FULL OF DINOSUARS WITHOUT SO MUCH AS A FUCKKING KNIFE

[paper geyser]

your excuse for everything is "but it's just ONE MERC WITH MINIMAL TRAINING!!". Okay go cry about it, this is a video game, not your buddy buddy fantasy

[worn pumice]

[cyan flame]

@hybrid matrix You play as a, presumably, well trained mercenary. And you could argue why don't you start with full equipment for that matter. Why are the mercs being sent with nothing but a flashlight, a knife, and possibly a pistol with one box of ammo to this island with plenty of dangerous things?

[hybrid matrix]

and ur one excuse is "its vidogam so vidgam logix"

[worn pumice]

this is the point of the game being a human u dont have to grow and so u will die a lot till u find something better

[cyan flame]

You're sent there like that because game says you should have to fight for your survival, simple as that.

Cause otherwise why would whoever send the mercs not.. you know, equip them fully? :p

[paper geyser]

you wanna know something funny? Tenonto didn't use its tail. Carno didn't use its horns. Utah didn't slash with its toe claw. Stego didn't fall over into mud and subsequently break its ribs. You're confused about what this game is, so please take a look around and rethink your stance.

[cyan flame]

If there's something they should modify, it's the adult stego wallow.. poor stego xD

[worn pumice]

yea that stego wallow

lol

[hybrid matrix]

wait r u talking to me or someone else

[worn pumice]

breaks its entire ribs

[paper geyser]

who do you think

[worn pumice]

no their talking to god

[scarlet dock]

Having just played the game "Eco" for a month, my opinion is that a straight up system that prevents progress is... not so fun.

Dropping into a game as a merc where I need to learn traits/perks through poi investigation, loot chests, whatever. Sounds much more interesting.

Humans are going to be so fleshy in this game, I don't think we are talking about a "final fantasy class system" here. They are going to die. Often.

If I had to break this class system down some, why not have mercs get the ability to choose one or two perks when they start.

This way there isn't "classes", but you can still specialize in some content.

That content is still unlockable in game. You just start with a perk instead of vanilla.

[hybrid matrix]

someone said smthn about teno using its whole body for attacks so i was confused

[worn pumice]

?

oh i see

ur trying to ignore what their saying

is that what ur doing

[hybrid matrix]

no i was genuinely unsure if they were talking to me

[worn pumice]

anyways ur suggestion we dont agree with end of convo

[cyan flame]

@scarlet dock I'm not sure humans should have perks too, they have the whole restore bases and scavenge equipment for their growth/progression anyway. And it depends on what those perks do then, I guess what we're opposed to is the idea of needing another merc to do something in the first place, when it comes to individual stuff at least.

[worn pumice]

hm human perks

would humans have an elder stage lol

[hybrid matrix]

and u see
instead of being an asshole and accusing me of something u could try to do wut rinn is, which is coming up with a solution for the problem

[cyan flame]

... Alright, out with you Lion :p

[worn pumice]

elder human lmao

needs walking sticks

wheelchairs

[worn pumice]

rinn is talking about something else

me and kato were giving our view on why ur suggestion isnt good for the game

[scarlet dock]

Did the conversation evolve and leave me behind? Sorry :/

[hybrid matrix]

no, they are coming up with ways to solve ur issues

[worn pumice]

so confused

anyways end of convo

we didnt agree with u and u didnt agree with us

the end'

[hybrid matrix]

no ur literally saying "splish splash ur opinion is trash" without giving a reason that makes any amount of fucking sense and then leaving

[worn pumice]

we gave u so many fucking reasons lol

go above and read

[hybrid matrix]

not good reasons

[worn pumice]

im tired of this convo

[hybrid matrix]

THEN LEAVE

[worn pumice]

ok and ur reasons werent good either

[hybrid matrix]

and ya kno wut? im good enough of a person to admit to this

[worn pumice]

im not saying every reason i had is crystal and amazing

but their clear enough and so was kato's

[hybrid matrix]

if my reasons werent clear then ur reasons definitely werent fucking clear

and

[worn pumice]

they were clear so were yours

does it mean we agree with each other? no

[hybrid matrix]

just bc they made sense to u, doesnt mean they made sense to me
ya kno how i kno?
bc my reasons made sense to me

[worn pumice]

and vice versa

[hybrid matrix]

i-i implied that in my message

[worn pumice]

anyways better to just wait n see what the devs do

[hybrid matrix]

i mean without the medic class
it works better, right?

[scarlet dock]

I could see perks being used to unlock more efficient ways of doing certain content. Not as a limiter on gameplay, but allowing for more effective equipment use.

Like i replied above, maybe a medical perk can unlock the use of advanced medicines and treatments to allow players to heal faster.

Such things could be learned from a looted medical field book for example.

Or perhaps to repair a vehicle, you would need x amount of scrap. Where x is a lot because you are looking for the specific part you need.

But a person with a technical perk and some tools can use less scrap to repair the same vehicle because he can craft.

Meanwhile a technician with a poi vehicle bay can repair it really quickly/cheaply.

[hybrid matrix]

wut is poi

[scarlet dock]

Point of interest

[hybrid matrix]

oh

OH like a placable?

[scarlet dock]

Sure. But usually the map has some permanent. Spiro has a vehicle bay in it and a radio tower, for example.

[cyan flame]

@scarlet dock Fair, that would actually be interesting, if you could find things to learn from, gives an added thing to go looking for, if you want to try and better your chances, at the risk of getting ganked while looking for said info of course. And as long as it's just enhancements, and not neccesary, then it would probably be okay.

[scarlet dock]

Exactly Erik!

[hybrid matrix]

well i feel like it would add to the horror if the radio needed to be repaired when the server resets

that could be explained with like an electrical storm that damages the satellite dish

or the tower

not the dish

[scarlet dock]

I don't know what the radio tower will be for. But I secretly hope a manned radio tower calls in supply drops, and allows global merc radio use.

And I want to be the Utah that turns off that tower :p

[hybrid matrix]

so after every reset the radio tower would need to get repaired

[scarlet dock]

Why after reset?

Give the parts of the tower hp. Require maintenance, and be damagable by players and dinosaurs.

Those parts require scrap to repair.

Technician perked individuals can repair it for cheaper.

[hybrid matrix]

well i mean it would always be after a reset

but it could also be destroyed b4 or after the reset

[hybrid matrix]

i dont get this scrap thing
u dont need scrap metal to fix a building
u need cement, cinder blocks,

i mean
scrap metal should be used to make parts

these parts could be made by mechanics or techs

i kinda wanna remove the medic class

i feel like thats the biggest reason they didnt like the idea

[scarlet dock]

The biggest reason they didn't like it was 2 fold:
Class system is a very broad descriptor. It covers everything from a final fantasy job system to a much easier perk system. More specifics probably would have helped.

Secondly being that the suggestion became a trigger point for exclusion of gameplay based on class. It is a hard sell, and not a mode of play i enjoy personally after playing Eco.

I think teamwork should make things easier, but you should not be forced into it.

Why not take the feedback (both good and bad) modify your suggestion to meet a broader audience, and see how it sticks?

Finally: the likes, dislikes, and discussion that happens here has no bearing on its ultimate acceptance.

I am fairly certain that the suggestions go into a digital pool, and get reviewed by some of the developers to see if it fits their concept, and adopts ideas that they like :)

[hybrid matrix]

well i didnt rlly understand their feedback

[paper oriole]

Bears are packed with fat and thick muscle, our rat utah doesn't exactly look as durable as that

[hybrid matrix]

ye

[paper oriole]

So idk about it tanking bullets like a bear unless it gains some weight in either compartment

[hybrid matrix]

i mean

it might be able to take like 1 bullet to a non-lethal area

[paper oriole]

Yeah tho bears can soak a few bullets pretty well like that, 1 seems suitable for utah but not much more without it looking bad

[scarlet dock]

His suggestion about bullet power is already a thing.

There is only apparently a single sniper rifle with the stopping power to kill a rex in one shot IF you get an eye shot. Per discussion.

But yes. Humans are slow, have few hp, and will rely on teamwork, stealth, and tools for survival.

Using a handgun on a rex is a bad idea :p

[odd sedge]

Yeah no, I'm against one shot things in general, even for dinosaurs.
But to be fair, if a pue stomps you, it's would be your fault for not opening your eyes and seeing that massive thing in front of you.

But with one shot snipers, you can bet that there will be campers. And I don't want to die randomly, because I didn't see the tinie tiny human in between some bushes

[scarlet dock]

It has been discussed at length through the years. Ammo is going to be scarce, and everyone is going to hear the report of that gunshot.

A merc will want to decide between saving that shot for a moment he needs it (food or protection), before deciding to just kill a rex for sport.

Carnivores will come from all over for the free meal. And the thrill of hunting a human.

Firing a gun is like ringing a dinner bell :p

[tawny juniper]

Depending on gun power, And ammo amount a gun will also be crucial

If a merc shoots a gun that can kill a rex

And other dinosaurs come

If they have some sort of fast firing weapon they will just melt everything

Guns could also be used as bait

Shoot agun

And have your friends hide near you

And just destroy anything that comes close

[scarlet dock]

If a merc team is well equipped, could happen.

But it only takes a moment to end a merc. If a Utah is stalking the hunting party, or a pack of Utah, those aren't as easy to hit as a rex.

[tawny juniper]

That true

Another thing im worried about

Is mercs matchup against things like dryo

Might sound ridiculous

But it you take their size into account

Thats like being attacked by a midsize dog

With talons

[mild socket]

dryo has a little nip as a bite so should be fine. A good knife stab and hes done

[tawny juniper]

Thats true

Dryo should get a kick attack lol

Like galli

[mild socket]

naw bite and side jump is fine tbh. ITs a tiny siren dino that is mainly good at running away and out manuvering

[tawny juniper]

True

Kind of a rabbit niche

[mild socket]

ye

[tawny juniper]

I think

That carnpo

[mild socket]

plus if you want to just waiste one bullet and the dryo will be oh that was not a good idea

[tawny juniper]

carno*

WIll destroy mercs

With their charge it will just decimate them

Like being hit by a bull thats three times its regular size

[mild socket]

oh yeah. But also carnos are pretty big and entirely red so an aware person could last second run out of the way or see it coming from miles away

[scarlet dock]

Carno will be overkill for a merc, lol.

An aware merc will be a dangerous thing.

[mild socket]

its like they said Utahs, Austro, Troodon, and maybe even some herbies will be the bane of existence for mercs.

oh yeah being aware of your surroundings with a high calibar gun you will be a formidable target

they should add a camera that humans can have to take those nice screenshots

[tawny juniper]

They should have bases

With cameras

Like some fnaf shit

[mild socket]

lol flippin through cameras and each one has a differend dino in frame

[tawny juniper]

and if something like a rex comes picking around they can get geared up before it finds them

[scarlet dock]

They will. But they will have to leave it to find food, ammo, science, etc.

[mild socket]

makes sense. Plus those bases will be in high demand giving that merc PVP people will want

all the while a horde of 30 troodons sneak in and kill the survivors

[tawny juniper]

Would be cool if things like troodons could slip in

And steal supplies like food and water

And damage people in the proccess

Like a smart, Venomous, rat invasion

[mild socket]

ye

[tawny juniper]

Its hard to give some dinos a certain niche though when they will be controlled by a perso

Because something like a rabbit which is pretty stupid has human intelligance

Would be cool, If when an animal was grazing their eyesight zoomed in to be at level with the grass,

So that when a predator sees a grazer, It can sneak up on it easier

[scarlet dock]

I was pondering making a post suggesting a dino species like a magpie. Steals shiny things from humans to adorn its nest.

Humans hunt the nests as low level loot containers.

But, I've been vilified enuf today :p

[tawny juniper]

lol

But it would be interesting

Like a lion hunt on wildebeast

[mild socket]

tf is vilified?

[paper oriole]

Oviraptor stealing junk from human bases pls

[tawny juniper]

The oviraptor will most likely be more focused on eggs and scavenging then stealing from humans

Same with galli

[paper oriole]

I know he is stealing eggs

But he should steal everything

[tawny juniper]

The humans have eggs..?

[paper oriole]

Nothing is safe

[mild socket]

yeah bro you don't lay eggs?

[tawny juniper]

Well I feel like that should be more reserved for smaller things'

[mild socket]

look at this guy he dosent lay eggs

[tawny juniper]

Like troodons and bypis

Im super excited for minmi

[paper oriole]

Not more shit for troodon lol

[tawny juniper]

Just seems like a cool niche

Same with bypi

[paper oriole]

He already has more than enough

Ovi is pretty small

[scarlet dock]

Vilified: to be spoken about in an abusive disparaging manner.

[tawny juniper]

I just want to be semi aquatic lol

[mild socket]

ah I see

[tawny juniper]

Its sort of small

[paper oriole]

Ew

[tawny juniper]

Its about the size of a pony

[paper oriole]

Prehistoric wildlife

[barren zephyr]

prehistoric wildlife mmmm...

[tawny juniper]

Is that a bad thing

I just looked up the size of an oviraptor and taht came up

[barren zephyr]

hes a pretty big boy compared to a human

[tawny juniper]

Yeah

About the size of a pony

So him being able to sneak into bases would just be unrealistic

[barren zephyr]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

How big is isle trood

[tawny juniper]

And if he were to get into bases it would most likely be on account of a wall breach or smthn

[paper oriole]

Ik theres a size chart somewhere

[tawny juniper]

probably chicken sized ish

[paper oriole]

Guess velo could do it

[tawny juniper]

Velo could yeah

[paper oriole]

No troo is bigger than velo ik that much

[barren zephyr]

Velo is like a big turkey

[scarlet dock]

How about compys? They scavenge.

Stealing people's keys to the jeep.

[tawny juniper]

Yeah

Compy could be a good human scavenger

[barren zephyr]

Dilo is about horse sized

[tawny juniper]

yeah

[paper oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/773729714229084160/3Wnpp7E.png

[tawny juniper]

I'd say the biggest thing that could get into a base would be a dryo

And even thats debateable

[paper oriole]

Dryo is even bigger...

[mild socket]

this is unnoficial but it is the bestr we could get for all the dino sizes

[scarlet dock]

Utah better be able to get into bases. It will destroy my dreams JP dreams otherwise.

[mild socket]

if the holes are big enough

[glad dirge]

Well their arms are twisted so it would be a crime if they couldn't open doors

[paper oriole]

Thats probably why they gave him those hideous pronated arms so he can open doors

[tawny juniper]

Would be cool if there was like a minigame for utah to open the door

[scarlet dock]

Raptors could/should open doors, so long as it doesn't need badge access :p

[tawny juniper]

Like a sliding meter and you have to click it at the right time

[paper oriole]

If they ruined his arms and don't let him open doors to merc buildings it will be a crime

I want small dinos to be able to break into unmanned merc vehicles and be able to drive them out of control, leaving a path of destruction until they crash and die. Will remind peopld not to leave the keys in

[tawny juniper]

I think that would just be kind of crazy and ridiculous to add

Having dinosaurs driving cars

[paper oriole]

Also the handsy dinos and mercs could be able to pick up guns that can randomly fire off unaimed when messed with if they have ammo for some more chaos

[tawny juniper]

Same thing again

[paper oriole]

No fun allowed i guess

[tawny juniper]

Well its not that

Its just

You dont see dogs hopping into cars with keys in them and driving them and crap

And the guns would just arm the dinosaurs even more

[paper oriole]

Idk about that since itd be just as likely to fire at a packmate or at nothing

[tawny juniper]

y

eah

[scarlet dock]

It... would be death to try and code combat inside a jeep...

[paper oriole]

Probably but i can dream

[tawny juniper]

that too

[scarlet dock]

I would be happy if my t-rex could nom someone while they were driving. I suspect that will even be difficult (but not impossible)

[tawny juniper]

Maybe not just snatch them out of the car

But maybe bite the car and destroy it

And then the person is forced out of the car

And unable to get back in

And you have to hunt them from there

Ofc if they were on like a motorcycle you could just snath them

But like an armored jeep no

[scarlet dock]

Indeed

[mild socket]

lol dinos picking up guns

[scarlet dock]

Although... could make for some fun cut-scene combat.

Like having a tiny carnivore hop into your car makes the car rock around and causes dot to the occupants until they leave the car, the person runs out of hp, or the dino runs out of stam.

Vehicles with dinos in them can have steamy windows with shadows that move.

Vehicles that someone died in can have blood smattering on the glass. And steamy windows.

I also wanted something similar for carnivores invading dens. But... was not to be.

[broken thorn]

what im afraid with mercs being added is people playing Carnivores literally looking for mercs to kill them as it is in Jurrasic Fart

[mild socket]

i mean goiing after a merc isnt really worth it at all. They have a gun which really hurts and don't give enough food to satisfy

and if a carnivore is just going around killing mercs, someoen just gonna shoot em

[broken thorn]

yeah but players are players

[tawny juniper]

and the players are for the most part- dicks

[broken thorn]

btw im fully on board with humans in game

[tawny juniper]

I'm sort of on board

I kind of like the concept of a dinosaur survival with just dinosaurs

[mild socket]

eh sounds like dyign as a merc aint that bad. Get decent stuff and die so you spawn in with resocked basic resources

[tawny juniper]

Maybe if the humans were ai or something

I would like that

Just have ai jeeps on roads and crap

Have the humans shoot at larger carnivores and not harmless herbis

Maybe if guns were only at certain camps

And they had a set supply

And when that ran out there were only guns on the other side of the map

[scarlet dock]

I like the high risk, high reward, looters game that merc seems to be going for.

The closest I've found to the JP game I always wanted but never existed.

That being said, hunting mercs is a terrible idea...

[tawny juniper]

Would provoke more human travel which gives more opportunity to kill a human

[scarlet dock]

But also. I think mercs will absolutely take pot shots at apex hanging out at lakes for kicks. And I approve of that.

[tawny juniper]

I feel like if they feel safe they will also shoot at hypsis though

Which is obviously a one shot

say they only have mags of like 60]

Whats the big deal in just shooting a hypsi for fun

[scarlet dock]

If they shoot a hypsi, every carnivore for miles is going to know.

[tawny juniper]

not neccassarily

[mild socket]

facts bro. You don't wanna get shot? don't be so obvious

[broken thorn]

Pair of mercs walks upon a large field with grazing Parasaurolophus herd, as they approach closer to take a look, Parasaurolophuses distance themselves slowly, staring at the humans. OUT OF NOWHERE- a group of Allosaurs burst from the dence trees nearby, spreading the herd, the three toned herbivores are headed speeding their way, mercs are having a hard time dodging away, as they run to the side to hide in the tall grass they gaze at two Jurrasic Lions brutally taking down the Late Creatacious Herbivore, which's loud moans can be heard miles away. As they sneak into the dence forest, they come across an overgrown garrage. Trying to enter, they can still hear the Allosaur's roars from the distance. Hiding in, they are planning their next steps from now on...

[scarlet dock]

[tawny juniper]

Then they get fucking melted by troodon pack

in the garage

[mild socket]

hiding from the sun

[tawny juniper]

Troodons should thrive in the dark

So hiding in dark garages and rooms in bases

Aswell as caves and stuff

Another thin g'

What if mercs just run over small dinos

Because that doesnt even waste ammo

[mild socket]

I think that should be a thing aswell. Giving you a buff for being where you should be is nice. But not too big of a buff n stuff

[tawny juniper]

All that does is waste a tiny amount of car fuel

[mild socket]

have fun trying to punch a troodon to death as it bites you once and you immediately subcome to venom

[tawny juniper]

Troodon bite would be like a venomous turkey, Dilo like a venomous horse

[mild socket]

oh you mean a car. I mean cars are pretty loud so that could be hard

[tawny juniper]

Not really

Cars arents super loud, especially if on roads

[broken thorn]

Yeah, i can imagine Troods being the small cridders, that aren't an issue for large Dinosaurs but can be quite frightening for medium sized and small Dinos and Humans obviously. Seeking shade in human structures, stealing recources when humans are unavare, tearing apart their tents, even attacking them at times.

[tawny juniper]

Yes

tbh a dilo bite would just a kill a human

It shouldnt because balance

But in reality getting bit by something that big and venomous would overload your senses

Your heart would just stop from how much venom is in it

And depending on the effects of dilo venom humans will be destroyed by it

Like if a couple bities gives a stego hallucinations

Biting a human is basically a win

[broken thorn]

Talking about the Car mechanics, i think you COULD ride over a small dino but anything large as a teno would criticaly damage your vehicle if driven into fullspeed

or even kill you in the car honestly

[tawny juniper]

Agreed

Thats like hitting a rhino

[broken thorn]

yeah, i believe the animal would die but humans won't come out unscaved, even lucky to make it out at all

[tawny juniper]

I mean

If you hit a rhino

Thats going to break it legs or ribs or smthn, But the car is just obliterated

ANd the people in it would be broken

[broken thorn]

If u full speed it into a rhino it is 90% dead and u too 😄

[tawny juniper]

yes

[urban flax]

I'm not sure a rhino would even notice if it was hit by a car, depending on the speed

[broken thorn]

ye

[urban flax]

These guys are literally walking rocks

[tawny juniper]

Lets say 50mph

Rhino breaks some bones

Maybe falls over

[broken thorn]

yeah that is not fast enough possibly

[tawny juniper]

But the humans in the car are shattered

[broken thorn]

for this big of an animal

[urban flax]

Since a boar can survive a hit form a car going 90 kmph and not even have a broken bone

[tawny juniper]

damn seriously?

[broken thorn]

Lucky boar 😄

[urban flax]

Not all the time, but it can happen

[broken thorn]

I'd hate to be both the human behind the wheel AND the Tenontosaurus

[tawny juniper]

And if the rhino realizes it

[urban flax]

So if a car going 90 kmph hits a rhino, it might hurt... but probably not break its bones.

[tawny juniper]

Its going to charge the car

And break whatevers left of and in the car

[broken thorn]

possibly either be in shock and pain and run or charge back XD

or not run at all

[tawny juniper]

Well adrenaline

[broken thorn]

and get a heartattack

[tawny juniper]

Will fuel it

If its only slightly hurt

[broken thorn]

I don't want to talk about animals getting ran over :DDDD

Poor things 😄

yeah but i get u

[urban flax]

btw mercs should have a dodgeroll

I know most fps and most survival games don't do that, but the ones that do it are just way more engaging combat-wise.

[tawny juniper]

Would be cool if mercs dropped their item when hit by somehting depending on what it is

[urban flax]

And it's better-looking that having people hop around during fights to avoid attacks

What items would they drop ?

[tawny juniper]

Gun, Knife, Stuff like taht

[urban flax]

Big no

[tawny juniper]

...?

[urban flax]

You don't lose your gun as soon as you are hit, especially in a videogame

[tawny juniper]

Well yes

But I mean like when a large dinosaur runs into you or rams you

[urban flax]

I understand people don't want mercs to destroy everything, but they still need to be playable

[tawny juniper]

Like carno charge, Or when they fall over after a teno tail slam or something

[urban flax]

In movies guys lose their weapons, because it's better for the scenario
But irl you can be dead and still hold on your weapon

[tawny juniper]

true

How does dryo dodge work?

When its executed can you not be hit or something?

[urban flax]

No, there's no Iframes

[tawny juniper]

How is it helpful then?

[urban flax]

That's why it's meh, because on top of that it stops you and ruins your momentum

[tawny juniper]

Oh it isnt helpful

[urban flax]

Well from what I've heard, a good dryo is a dryo that doesn't use its dodge

[tawny juniper]

Would be cool if dryo dodge gave iframes

might be op tho idk

[urban flax]

We're talking about dryo
it won't be op anyway

But it may ruin immersion a little
Like attacks phasing through it

[tawny juniper]

yeah

Maybe it gets a speed boost after it or something

But it stays the same

[urban flax]

As much as I'd love dryo to have iframes on its dodge, this is still a survival game and not a fighting game

[tawny juniper]

And accelerration is faster

True

[urban flax]

Dyo not stopping and losing its speed when dodging would already be a good addition

[tawny juniper]

I'm not thinking about it as a survival concept but rather only in combat

I wonder how a teno tail slam aswell as a tail whack would work

If you look to the side it whacks and if you look behind it slams

[urban flax]

Could be this way

But teno already has so many attacks, it's hard to add new ones without overwriting another attack's controls

[tawny juniper]

true

Honestly most herbis shouldnt have a bite

Its almosyt laughable that a hypsi only damage dealing attack is a little nip, I suppose it does specialize in running but even rabbits can fight something about their size

I used to have rabbits

They kick and scratch

And have claws sharp af

When it comes down to fight rather then flight it has to be able to do something

Maybe there could be hollow trees for hypsi to live in

Like a bird

It can't fly but supposedly it has climbing skills

[scarlet dock]

Hypsi can stand in tall grass and be invisible. They don't need more hiding places imo :p

[tawny juniper]

Well not as a hiding place as much as a nesting feature

Or something like that

[scarlet dock]

I don't even bother trying to eat them anymore xD

[tawny juniper]

I love evrima except it is also really bad imo

Takes forever to push out new content and a lot is in need of fixing

[urban flax]

Oh yeah rabbits have nasty claws

[tawny juniper]

And the current dinos just dont interest me

[urban flax]

Hypsi is more like a sparrow I think ?

[scarlet dock]

Evrima is a work in process. I long for a bigger roster. But I can't wait to see that roster in the evrima engine :p

[tawny juniper]

Well yeah, I was just comparing it to a rabbit because of size and predator evasion similarities

[urban flax]

Evrima is only 2 years old
Not since release, but since they started coding it

That's super low

[tawny juniper]

Yeah

Thats true

The game itself isnt really my problem just the gameplay

[urban flax]

I'm rather amazed at how fast the devs managed to make it playable

[tawny juniper]

as am I

But I kind of wish they had waited longer and had some of the stuff already finished

I would have preferred waiting in order to have to more playable dinos

I feel like people would say they disagree but had it happened that way I think a lot more people would have been happy with evrima

[fickle jasper]

I would rather have Evrima when it releaed than wait till update 3, but yes, the lack of players on servers, and playable dinos holds it down a ton

[scarlet dock]

There was behind the scenes stuff going on. Evrima exists because the old engine became non-viable. Its also why they can't fix legacy.

[urban flax]

Well, it wouldn't change a lot about the current situation I guess ?
We'de be waiting anyway x)

[tawny juniper]

lol

I just want dilos and troodons

Both some of my favorite dinos

[fickle jasper]

diet system bro...

[urban flax]

I'm just sad that I really hoped update 3 to be out in february

[fickle jasper]

ye

[tawny juniper]

cri

I expected and update a month tbh

That was kind of the pace in october and november

Then the devs had christmas break

Which made it go like 4 months without update

And thats honestly what people are unhappy about

I think optimization needs to be more involved aswell

[urban flax]

There's already a lot of things involved

[tawny juniper]

I would mind waiting an extra 3-4 weeks for an update if it means that the end product will be much better

[urban flax]

I just hope that no update will take longer than this one

[scarlet dock]

^

[urban flax]

But many people think update 4 will take even longer...

[scarlet dock]

Something tells me that hope is doomed. Going to be huge updates for humans and all their tech.

[tawny juniper]

Im thinking perk system maybe just because of the different perks for every dino and how they have to affect the dinos and crap

[urban flax]

I'm fine with waiting, but I know a lot of people aren't

[tawny juniper]

A lot of people think that because they dont realize the devs just started developing again in mid february

They think they've been creating since december

[urban flax]

Well, at least perks don't require additional modeling, texturing and animating

[tawny juniper]

Which in reality they went on a 2 and a half month break

True

i dislike the Alberto model

[urban flax]

I'm fine with it

[tawny juniper]

I think it just looks kind of all over the place

[urban flax]

It looks like an actual strong predator

[tawny juniper]

I think the isle right now is not doing well, But when Evrima is ove rand done with the game is going to blow up

[urban flax]

Being speedy doesn't always require to be super thin
It only requires good legs, which that new alberto has

[tawny juniper]

The game right is doing well

But not to the extent it could be

[urban flax]

Well the Isle is at the bottom of the pit rn

Legacy is no longer playable, and evrima isn't yet

So basically they don't have a functional game in their hands

[tawny juniper]

I dont like spiro

Yeah thats true

[urban flax]

Spiro is a blank page

[tawny juniper]

I would prefer a deciduous forest or conniferous tree biome like Thenyaw and Isle v3

the jungle is too cluttered for me

[urban flax]

They're doing one in Spiro

[tawny juniper]

yeah

Im excited for that]

I would like to spend all my time there'

[urban flax]

So am I, a little variety in biomes will change everything

[tawny juniper]

But the jungle in evrima is so cluttered you cant see shit

[scarlet dock]

There are more biomes coming for spiro.

[tawny juniper]

I like the more open areas like rivers and plains

[scarlet dock]

Nobody likes plains. Bloody death traps :p

[urban flax]

Irl forests are way more cluttered than that

[tawny juniper]

I like the plains bc I can actually fucking see

I wish rather then just giant bushes it was cluttered with shrubs and ferns

Im excited for the games path and not as excited about its current state lmao

[scarlet dock]

I am wondering if they will release tribal/monsters before mercs.

[urban flax]

I don't think so

But actually I don't know what systems both of them require, so I don't eally know

[scarlet dock]

Tribals make bases out of harvested resources. Tech up with primitive gear, etc.

But also apparently can go cannibal, and mutate into terrifying monsters.

Kind if a hybrid of dinosaur/bat/cthulu.

All subject to change.

[urban flax]

I don't think triblas will turn into monster, they look like completely different creatures

[scarlet dock]

There are only 4 choices when you log in. It is a humanoid. So... merc or tribal.

And doesn't look merc.

[mild socket]

@wanton thicket dawg this aint attack on titan

[paper geyser]

i love it

[scarlet dock]

Meals on reels.

I don't think any human wants to be at a swords distance to a carnivore :p

[barren zephyr]

Why not?

[scarlet dock]

The devs would get sued to oblivion.

[wanton thicket]

i like the idea of ODM gear!! it would enhance the player experience and make me feel like a true hero!

[maiden tendon]

Good idea!

[paper oriole]

Damn i remember joking about fighting hypers with ODM gear before but it would unironically be pretty cool

And funny because people would probably be crashing into trees and killing themselves as it seems pretty hard to control

[scarlet dock]

If you really want it, you could probably make it a mod :)

But the devs couldn't make it part of their game.

[brittle ravine]

@dim ore they just added that

[dim ore]

as in just?

(looks) well would you look at that..they did. i am very pleased indeed. i was looking at it yesterday and it wasnt there..how nice of them to let us vote. 🙂 thanks for pointing me to it chokka

[edgy harbor]

@toxic mantle No one said 'it was an angle thing' It's just possible. Also Punch already said he's working on getting a new view.

[toxic mantle]

Hes been working on it for the past days. I dont understand how hard it is to contact the model guy, open up the modeler and just change the camera to get a different view.

I don't even care at this point, more people like than hate that's democracy, but it seems like they're still making excuses. Why not just show us now instead of waiting months and months on end as the controversy died out.

I want to feel like the devs are paying attention to feedback. It rarely ever feels like it to me

[paper geyser]

i agree that it's kinda sus how it's been several days and a modeller still hasn't been able to open a program and rotate a model by 45 degrees

using 101% of my brain power here and i can't think of anything that might be causing such a delay other than their computer literally exploding

[edgy harbor]

I'm just a mod and I get messages that I don't get to for a day or two.
That's life baby.

[toxic mantle]

Not the best excuse

[vestal rune]

the devs definitely listen to feedback

[compact hare]

oh and this, about the new view. Before yesterday.

[vestal rune]

I imagine the modellers are just busy with stuff so are slow to respond

[lethal silo]

the whole team is busy lmao

theres so much to do..........

[toxic mantle]

Bugs dont count in my eyes. That's a no brainers fix.

[toxic mantle]

Its been days, they should have seen it by now

[vestal rune]

they completely changed the game because of player feedback

[toxic mantle]

What did they change because I guess I must be living under a rock

[vestal rune]

the game was originally meant to be only mercs with 3 playable carnivores, players heavily enjoyed the dino gameplay so they made that the main focus on the game

[barren zephyr]

Beasts of bermuda is 3663535 times better and allways will be

[vestal rune]

they also completely removed a gamemode and made a new one because people didn't enjoy it

[vestal rune]

ok

<@&401466542140817419> we have a clown

[barren zephyr]

stfz

stfu

[severe idol]

Oh I see.

[safe galleon]

[barren zephyr]

this fucking game is a clown

lmao

[toxic mantle]

That was literal years ago.-

[cyan flame]

@barren zephyr Kindly go away.

[toxic mantle]

Jesus Robin go away

[severe idol]

Correct. The Isle is a scam 2021.

[toxic mantle]

We are trying to have a convo

[barren zephyr]

ye the isle player lmao

[arctic nimbus]

based

[terse hornet]

how does saoul always beat me by like 2 seconds? I'm blaming my phone

[safe galleon]

[toxic mantle]

Neways

[safe galleon]

saoul

[toxic mantle]

Oh nope they're still here

[severe idol]

That's fine. They can stay and just be Muted.

[toxic mantle]

Fair enough

[vestal rune]

well in terms of recently, fairly sure they confirmed they're changing certain concepts in response to player feedback

[severe idol]

It's not wort filling out the information to ban them out.

[terse hornet]

you don't get banned for everything, sometimes being a troll just gets a mute

[vestal rune]

watch them go and say "I got muted for criticising the game 😭"

[severe idol]

Meh. Let them. Just another person to add to the vocal minority.

[toxic mantle]

Are you referring to progression? All my issues are not about the past, I'm talking about the now. 2020-2021 timespan.

[vestal rune]

fair enough, the devs definitely listen to QA though and they get a lot of their feedback from the community

hypno talked about the alterations that are coming in update 3 thanks to their feedback

[toxic mantle]

I can believe they listen to QA. But the devs seem to keep saying they also listen to us. But for the most part it doesnt seen that way. Then we have certain devs acting passive aggressive, devs giving conflicting info. Its just frustrating.

[vestal rune]

I mean keep in mind QA represents the community

they are us

the only passive aggressive dev is dondi and he's not in this discord

but ye it's really annoying when they give conflicting info, and sometimes they just word things incredibly poorly and ambigiously

[paper geyser]

ahem

kissen

[vestal rune]

kissen?

only person I've seen kissen be passive agressive too is trolls

[paper geyser]

she's acted questionably before is all i want to say

[vestal rune]

oh fair enough

[cyan flame]

Maybe Punch could use a few people to help him manage the community and all that. Seems to me a good few issues comes down to their interactions with us.

[toxic mantle]

I'd be happy if everyone but the PR guy wouldn't talk.

Because then we wouldn't have conflicted info

Heres the thing. It be one thing if it happens once, maybe twice.

But it happens.

All

The

Time

[worn pumice]

Was about to write a lot of words to that guy

But he’s muted

[paper geyser]

i agree, punch's job is pretty much to talk to us. Other devs doing it only causes confusion, as shown by the past few months

[brave rampart]

^

I'd prefer Punch talking than any of the devs cause Punch knows what to say and what NOT to say lol

[wheat igloo]

Looks like I need to strangle my phone for not giving me notifications

[toxic mantle]

I feel like if you strangle your phone the lack of notifications will still be an issue along with other things

[jovial sleet]

lol

[ashen wasp]

Why would you want your own nest to be parasitized??

[toxic mantle]

Because it be hilarious

[paper oriole]

be an ovi, raise a raptor army

with all your stolen egg

might be op but itd be cool if they could steal eggs and hatch them into their group, but only be able to pick one species

[vale pawn]

if your first child dies, steal someone elses and claim it as your own

[urban flax]

Oh no, no cross-species nesting

Weird scalie RP-ing is already bad enough in this game

And most babies would probably try to kill you or suicide once they see you're not the same species as them

[wintry monolith]

Mabey have a marking like it's a stolen egg hower you invite ppl or in a menu where you can pick a egg you want

[lethal zenith]

@zealous violet honestly that sounds easy, but may not be easy in actual development

not a bad idea tho

[paper oriole]

There was a bug in legacy where you could make a nest and then die/be nested by someone else and then still create eggs from your previous dino to group. Just recreate the bug sorta lol

[still raptor]

@zenith onyx You’re probably joking but lets say you aren’t. Why in God’s green earth would you want allo in Update 4? It would absolutely dominate the entire ecosystem. If you think that the Carno overpopulation is bad, Allo’s would be a lot worse. Also assuming Stego isn’t getting any changes, Allo would curb stomp on Stego.

[paper oriole]

Cheetah skin on allo is also eeeehhhh

[still raptor]

Allo isnt getting a new default skin too

[tiny cedar]

how do you know that the developers only continued with the development in mid-february. I don't think you took a two-month break. if I look at the roadmap you can see that you have continued to work. I think rather that the whole of January and part of February is time
have taken to fix the server and performance issues. and to concentrate 100% on update 3 only in the middle of february, otherwise i can't explain the delay to myself.

[urban flax]

Yeah no, they have stopped development only during december and they're working since january.

[tiny cedar]

yes but his statement is different and i think it is a bit wrong

[peak wedge]

Any suggestions or feedback for my albert edit? I changed the face some and made the neck and body thinner, may change the face back a bit since it kinda looks like allo now. I want to match the community's feedback when I make the suggestion

[vestal rune]

any good alberto edit fixes its god awful belly ngl

[peak wedge]

Original

[still raptor]

@urban flax @tiny cedar You both are extremely wrong. They worked until December 15, which was their holiday break. However, some do work but only very little amounts though. Around mid January, they got back from their holiday and worked on the last update 2 hotfix until they rolled it out 4 days before February 1st. They really only have had a month in a half of really working on Update 3. Fully focused development that is.

[tiny cedar]

so do you mean that they only started update 3 at the beginning of february? if so and update 3 comes out at the end of march, then this would mean that update 3 has a development time of around 2 months and that would be quite good.

[still raptor]

Not entirely started. Throughout 2020 they worked on ptera and deino. Maybe late march for the beta.

[tiny cedar]

OK thank you for the info. but precisely to avoid such discussions or to avoid speculation, it would be better if punch or the devs give out a little more information about the development process. hey guys, we worked less on update 3 in january because we still did this and that. So a clear statement and not always back and forth

a lot of people thought that they were already working 100% on update 3 in january and february, but that was never really right. and that was exactly what was wrongly communicated. many were hoping for update 3 at the end of February, but what would be the problem with punch if he had said that it would not come in February, just make clear statements.

[paper geyser]

iirc they don't have plans to port it to consoles any time soon

also keep in mind that the game is in early alpha and terribly optimised, it'll run better on release

[odd sedge]

I think the argument We already have Deino means more than just We already have a croc, why do we need another one

We already quite a lot of aquatic/ semi aquatic dinosaurs, like Sucho, Bary and alike.
The water niche is pretty well equipped and adding another croc would make it quite full there in my opinion.

[barren zephyr]

that's a fair argument but that being said. sucho isn't exactly much of an aquatic animal. it's a wader. same for bary probably

i just like the idea of having a smaller species of croc that kind of functions like a deino but is a bit more gimmicky and grows faster

[odd sedge]

They are fish eaters tho, meaning they will spend most of their time in or near water