its important to note the new spino was revealed many months before thr recent spino findings, and was likely finished before that. its expensive to make dinos
#general-feedback-discussion
icy lion
barren zephyr
its important to note the new spino was revealed many months before thr recent s...
Mhm.
kindred flare
Its a elephant seal with t teeth
civic sparrow
What would the aquatic spino do?? Be a worse deino? It’d basically be water locked since it would have no land capabilities. Realistic tadpole spino just wouldn’t be capable of competing with the other animals on the island. On the other hand the monsterous spino we do have can
minor basalt
The spino we have now can do both which is a good thing
thorny lynx
But why do we need a dinosaur that does okay on land and okay in water? Why have a dino that is okay at everything? That's dumb.
minor basalt
look at legacy allo
kindred flare
They said it will be offensive in water and defensive on land
barren zephyr
It can't. It's not streamlined in the water and it's small tail paddle can only make it look like a swimming toy fish. Not very efficient at propulsion.
civic sparrow
How is that dumb. Being able to Thirive in swamps and on dry land just makes it a better dino
minor basalt
yeah cuz they're gonna force drag onto the spino and make it slow in the water
cuz it's definitely not a videogame
strange wave
But why do we need a dinosaur that does okay on land and okay in water? Why have...
"why dont they make spino into a deino that cant ambush correctly that would need to be heavily stat buffed to be viable in game rather than having an enjoyable fictionalized animals that is still easily recognized as spino"
barren zephyr
yeah cuz they're gonna force drag onto the spino and make it slow in the water
I'm aware it is a videogame.
lethal silo
i mean if you wanna make that argument cera is kind of a jack of all trades 😂 the point is to have a huge variety of dinos that can fit a huge variety of playstyles
thorny lynx
How is that dumb. Being able to Thirive in swamps and on dry land just makes it ...
On land, it is outcompeted by Rex and Giga. In the water, it is outcompeted by Deino and groups of suchos.
Bad animal.
icy lion
none of them are even in the game yet
civic sparrow
On land, it is outcompeted by Rex and Giga. In the water, it is outcompeted by D...
How would you know when they aren’t even here
icy lion
wheres this "outcompeting"
minor basalt
It's good to have some generalist dinosaurs like cera and spino with good survivability
strange wave
On land, it is outcompeted by Rex and Giga. In the water, it is outcompeted by D...
on land its annihilated by everything larger than carno alone, and everything larger than troodon in groups, in the water its food for deinos
keen sparrow
I don’t understand why there has to be two opposing sides. We don’t need to have a 100% accurate 2020 spino, just a spino that looks and feels like a spino, not a rex mutation
kindred flare
Obviously, a bad animal means it cannot fight, or escape from what can kill it. If a spino 1v1 a red in land, it will likely lose. If it can get an ambush from the water, or can escape to the water. It will be fine
barren zephyr
I don’t understand why there has to be two opposing sides. We don’t need to have...
Well yeah that's what I'd go for
keen sparrow
Yea exactly
thorny lynx
on land its annihilated by everything larger than carno alone, and everything la...
So you agree our Spino is bad animal?
lethal silo
the strength of a generalist dino is being a generalist. if they are fighting something strong on land they can go to water. if they are fighting something stronger in the water? they just go to land lmao
minor basalt
we already have a spino model that works fine so why waste time and money on a new one for "muh realism"
barren zephyr
Should I bring up one of Tapwing's older spino concepts yet again?
keen sparrow
Yes
minor basalt
The current spino model does what it's supposed to
barren zephyr
civic sparrow
Fluff I’m pretty sure he’s talking about realistic spino
minor basalt
That's all that matters
strange wave
So you agree our Spino is bad animal?
thorny lynx
The current spino model does what it's supposed to
Look big and fancy and slap Rexes around until Rex gets annoyed and rips its arm off or snaps its jaw in two like a piece of alligator pins?
minor basalt
That's why spino is a generalist
civic sparrow
U act as if spino won’t be able to defend itself from other apexes
kindred flare
Spino isn't meant to kill rexs though
minor basalt
if a rex is threatening it, it can just run into the water if it has to
thorny lynx
U act as if spino won’t be able to defend itself from other apexes
Dondi said it can't.
kindred flare
No
strange wave
here is another one for you fluff
kindred flare
Don said it'll be offensive in water, defensive on land
civic sparrow
Dondi said it can't.
Dondi said it wouldn’t actively hunt them, but definitely is no easy kill for a Rex and WILL be able to defend itself
icy lion
couldve sworn don mentioned a defensive advantage
kindred flare
Yeah he did
civic sparrow
Yeah he did since our spino has arms
thorny lynx
Dondi said it wouldn’t actively hunt them, but definitely is no easy kill for a ...
It slaps. And claws. And grabs. It's not gonna choke or bleed a rex out easily, not before Rex can get its hydraulic press teeth wherever it can.
minor basalt
Depends on how it works
Could just smack a rex away before it gets close for all we know
kindred flare
Rex isn't the only other dinosaur in the game. If spino could beat red and giga. Why would any o e play anything different
civic sparrow
It slaps. And claws. And grabs. It's not gonna choke or bleed a rex out easily, ...
Well first of all, spino would probably get crowd control, and second of all spino can do more than slap
thorny lynx
I can see giga easily bleeding Spino out. Gigas are maneuverable on land. Spino is not. Bleedy bleedy big dino go boom.
icy lion
kindred flare
Bleed works differently now.
strange wave
I can see giga easily bleeding Spino out. Gigas are maneuverable on land. Spino ...
good thing spino is fictionalized then huh
thorny lynx
Bleed works differently now.
Gigas have knives for teeth. One good bite on its thin neck or belly and it's done.
civic sparrow
Thin?
lethal silo
kindred flare
?
neat knot
strange wave
Gigas have knives for teeth. One good bite on its thin neck or belly and it's do...
good thing spino is fictionalized then huh
minor basalt
Again, depends on how it works. This isn't even related to the suggestion you posted anyway
kindred flare
Spino had to deal with chacaradontosaurous, which is basically giga but with a weaker bite. It would have adapted to deal with those things
thorny lynx
Imagine being so shit you have to run to water or on land for something half as small as you. Bad animal.
kindred flare
That's the point
civic sparrow
Basically aquatic spino
strange wave
Imagine being so shit you have to run to water or on land for something half as ...
yeah realistic spino is really shitty
kindred flare
Your not supposed to be able to kill everything
thorny lynx
Your not supposed to be able to kill everything
So why play it if you are gonna fish sim all day? At least Deino can kill shit.
kindred flare
Yours supposed to be able to run from what kills you, and fight what you can't outrun
neat knot
Imagine being so shit you have to run to water or on land for something half as ...
realistic spino would literally have the same issues
mental sleet
Fluff, people enjoy certain playstyles
strange wave
So why play it if you are gonna fish sim all day? At least Deino can kill shit.
are you turning against your own argument?
thorny lynx
are you turning against your own argument?
Actually, yeah. I'm realizing why play Spino at all? We have Deino.
civic sparrow
Realistic spino would be capable of killing less than Isle spino
minor basalt
Cuz spino is a generalist, that's why
civic sparrow
Yes why have realistic spino when we have deino 🙂
thorny lynx
Why have Spino period? Fish sim, scare allos off corpses, get beat up by Rex, run back to water, fish sim, get beat up by Deino... lather, rinse, repeat.
civic sparrow
Why have Spino period? Fish sim, scare allos off corpses, get beat up by Rex, ru...
If our spino is such a JP clone then why do u keep suggesting it’ll lose to rex
kindred flare
Why have Spino period? Fish sim, scare allos off corpses, get beat up by Rex, ru...
Because spino is a well know animal and has an interesting playstyles of being an apex generalist
Thays why
thorny lynx
If our spino is such a JP clone then why do u keep suggesting it’ll lose to rex ...
Dondi said it would not have a chance against Rex on land. He fucking said it.
feral wedge
@thorny lynx Credit Fred for that link.
civic sparrow
I’d like to see where he said that fluff
mental sleet
Gar, Fred's signature is quite literally on the picture.
barren zephyr
Dev contradiction...
thorny lynx
I’d like to see where he said that fluff
He said it in a comparison video featuring a .9 Rex and a Spino.
"If you think for a second that Rex is going to get its ass beat by Spino because Spino is bigger, you are out of your fucking mind. You are insane."
strange wave
He said it in a comparison video featuring a .9 Rex and a Spino.
"If you think ...
so you're taking his words out of context to fit your narrative
civic sparrow
He said it in a comparison video featuring a .9 Rex and a Spino.
"If you think ...
Where does that imply that spino would get its ass beat either?? That could mean it’s a 50/50 for all we know
kindred flare
He said it in a comparison video featuring a .9 Rex and a Spino.
"If you think ...
Rex isn't the only other dino though, So I o can escape from a red but not kill it
I hate autocorrect
civic sparrow
Why on earth would devs make spino capable of doing very well on land and then get clapped by every other apex??
strange wave
Where does that imply that spino would get its ass beat either?? That could mean...
that is what it implies, fluff is trying to forward the narrative that isle spino is already bad so why not have the realistic one
barren zephyr
A big pelican bear croc thing can't beat the crap out of a stub armed dreadnought with a hydraulic press filled with banana shaped, partly serrated teeth.
neat knot
fisher must be weak 
lethal silo
i believe he was referencing the fact that in legacy if a spino jumps a lone rex the rex usually dies. in evrima its supposed to be much more of a tossup, and a lone rex isnt necessarily going to fear a lone spino
brave rampart
We were also told spinos gonna swipe a rex and possibly stun it enough for it to get away, right?
lethal silo
either way im excited to see them both ingame.... eventually lmao
neat knot
eventually™️
thorny lynx
We were also told spinos gonna swipe a rex and possibly stun it enough for it to...
You know people do not use stuns to take advantage of getting away. They use stuns to get more hits in. Then Rex punishes by biting its arms off.
strange wave
We were also told spinos gonna swipe a rex and possibly stun it enough for it to...
spino will be able to defend itself on land against other apexes and be on the offensive in the water
civic sparrow
Biting its arm off ?
minor basalt
We'll just have to see when it gets added, but at this point in time it's pointless to remodel the spino because the one we have now fits its presumed niche just fine
kindred flare
the model of the spino doesnt mean anything, and if the majority likes the moel then they will stick to it
thorny lynx
We'll just have to see when it gets added, but at this point in time it's pointl...
I cannot see how that thing can be efficient at running on the bottom of a river or ocean like a hippo or gracefully swimming in the water and catching fish.
minor basalt
Does it need to do either of those things tho
thorny lynx
Does it need to do either of those things tho
Dondi wants it to.
minor basalt
it just needs to be able to kick ass in the water and grab fish
neat knot
the model of the spino doesnt mean anything, and if the majority likes the moel ...
a majority of the community seem to dislike the model, but they are probably sticking with it yeah
strange wave
I cannot see how that thing can be efficient at running on the bottom of a river...
if you were given the skeleton of a crocodile and only had hippos and whales to base aquatic animals off of, would you say its an aquatic animal
thorny lynx
it just needs to be able to kick ass in the water and grab fish
Dondi REALLY wants hippo Spino.
strange wave
Dondi REALLY wants hippo Spino.
yes, hippo spino, in the open ocean
thorny lynx
if you were given the skeleton of a crocodile and only had hippos and whales to ...
How would it run? Would it knuckle run? Would it trot like a hippo? Or would it just do a normal run under the water?
civic sparrow
Good thing shallow water exists
minor basalt
who cares as long as it does what it's supposed to
strange wave
exactly my point, we have nothing to base spino's style of swimming off of but modern day animals, whats to say that it didnt use its tail to dig up flounders from the sea bed while usings its feet to push itself along the bottom
thorny lynx
I honestly just wish it looked 50-50 aquatic-terrestrial. It looks more terrestrial than anything else. At least give it webbed feet, maybe a longer snout for catching fish, or a longer tail.
And the sail is... so small.
Like a Spinosaurus we all know...
civic sparrow
I do agree that it needs a little bit more of an aquatic feel. Nothing major tho, but the big sail seems like more of a handicap
I LOVE the realistic spino like in freds drawing but I just feel like it wouldn’t do well on the island with all these modified animals.
thorny lynx
Okay. I have calmed down from my adrenaline rush.
God, I am such an asshole when my body is experiencing imbalances. I am sorry.
thorny lynx
I LOVE the realistic spino like in freds drawing but I just feel like it wouldn’...
I feel the same, but I also feel thr team could have done better than just...
Rex with long snout and sail and crocodile tail and big arms. Maybe some small modifications like a longer snout or a paddle tail? Webbed feet, maybe?
I do understand they made this model before the 2020 discovery, but... come in. That paddle tail is sexy.
civic sparrow
I agree
thorny lynx
And the curved teeth on our Spino... they do not look right.
keen sparrow
And the sail
civic sparrow
It needs a little more of an aquatic touch and then MWAH perfection
barren zephyr
I've actually come up with a means of making a spino which meets the criteria TI has, but is also more accurate than the current design
neat knot
Spino already has a crocodile-like tail
I don't see the need for the paddle
barren zephyr
Take the 2020 reconstruction, and then make the legs about 27% longer.
thorny lynx
Jake already has the 2020 reconstruction. If he made the legs longer, arms beefier, sail shorter, and snout just a bit more stocky, MWAH.
keen sparrow
Maybe some day...
barren zephyr
You heard of the claims in 2014-2015 that the spino's legs were innacurately scaled? Well that doesn't happen to be the case any more, but applying these claims to 2020s reconstruction would make for something both efficient in land and in water
keen sparrow
I mean if they really do decide to change it then that’s great but I think we’re gonna have to wait for mods
barren zephyr
thorny lynx
The bottom one looks more like The Isle type of Spino.
barren zephyr
Yes
paper oriole
lol isle spino has worse legs than that
barren zephyr
So just making a copy of the 2020 reconstruction, but with slightly longer legs would work fairly well.
paper oriole
baryonix legs havin ass
thorny lynx
So just making a copy of the 2020 reconstruction, but with slightly longer legs ...
I feel the midsection is too tall. Not long enough
barren zephyr
You can make it move slightly more upright
To shift that center of balance to the hips
thorny lynx
No, I mean, the height of the midsection itself. The circumference. Too round.
barren zephyr
thorny lynx
It's funny how you think that large socket behind the nostril is where you think the eye should be, but it is the circular socket behind it. Spino's head is weird.
brave rampart
You know people do not use stuns to take advantage of getting away. They use stu...
Not neccesarily. If its played out the way it should be, stuns would be your go-to of ways to escape.
thorny lynx
The eyes are located at the very back of the head
It feels as if the eyes are more forward on our model.
feral wedge
Gar, Fred's signature is quite literally on the picture.
People often don't take the time to zoom in. I find it more sufficient to leave something more substantial than that. As is the way for fan art and such, as well. I suppose it should be fine, this time.
Or, you know. People have attempted to steal stuff with blatant signatures before, regardless. 
barren zephyr
R/iamverysmart
Actually it didn’t. It was one of the only fish eaters around and nothing cared about it’s meal, so nothing challenged it.
barren zephyr
But why do we need a dinosaur that does okay on land and okay in water? Why have...
Because it’s a game. If spino could not compete. Nobody would play it and the devs wasted a whole lot of time and money to cater to you “wE wAnT PaLeO aCcUrATe DiNosAuRs” dorks
paper oriole
Spino will apparently still get his ass clapped by rex tho so what they really did was just ruin his potential as an aquatic apex to add yet another terrestrial apex despite rex and giga being enough
paper oriole
Dondi himself said rex will clap it in a fight, sure he'll probably get arm grapple and cc but there really was no good reason to take this unique aquatic theropod and turn him into what is essentially just hyper baryonix
barren zephyr
Idk we’ll just have to see
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Just why bother having Spinosaurus in the first place, if we already have Baryonyx and Suchomimus
Marketability
safe galleon
imagine being so unlucky you spawn in as an albino
well you're lucky cause it's a low chance of getting it but you're also really unlucky since well you're basically just a big sign saying "hey Im right here come and eat me"
real kraken
<@!493002940861382658> nahhh wayyyy too broken
I feel like if a utah manages to latch on it should be able to kill if not cripple something like a carno
real kraken
Crippling it is basically killing it
barren zephyr
plus it's already broken enough that 4 utahs kill a stego
real kraken
true
real kraken
That should happen tho, 4 human sized carnivores that weigh more than us, digging claws into you that are a couple of inches long
barren zephyr
yea but this is a game and needs at least some balance
otherwise we gets swarms of utahs ez pz deleting hypos
sonic cloud
You forget that carno weighs two tons
Besides carno is a 2.5 grow vs a 1 hour grow utah. Frankly two should be the bare minimum number of utahs needed to take on a carno, and even then it should be in carnos favour
barren zephyr
what he said
real kraken
True, what happens when over carnivores are added and then utah practically becomes useless
safe galleon
people will always play utah no matter how useless it is
dire peak
Not sure how Teratornis would work. Again, Teratornithids weren't scavengers like some modern vultures. They hunted animals they could either swallow in whole or bring them down with pecking and grappling them. The latter would be limited, since their feet weren't really built for that. So you have an animal that can swallow hatchling utahs, or grapple juvi utahs and animals around that size.
And before someone mentions 'artistic liberties', it will just turn into an eagle, and Haast is there which doesn't need such things.
barren zephyr
Oh I forgot the bit about the flat feet
Damn
So it's like a ptera but it doesn't really spend so much time out at sea
Did they really have to turn the ptera into a scavenger rather than a gannet thingy
y not
I mean we already have Quetz somewhere within the game's assets, so why not stick with that
Well, ptera appears to have been (partly) ruined with rather inaccurate ideas from a couple of decades ago.
dire peak
So it's like a ptera but it doesn't really spend so much time out at sea
It would be mostly an inland flier, foraging on the ground for small animals to swallow. Though I forgot that it would be able to mob attack slightly larger animals. That and the fact that it would prefer open plains and woodlands might set it apart from Haast.
night mountain
Well, ptera appears to have been (partly) ruined with rather inaccurate ideas fr...
wait what did they do
barren zephyr
well its not necessarily ruined
they could have just done more with it than turn it into a skim feeding vulture thingy
night mountain
oh fair
barren zephyr
For example, pteranodon has been proven to be actually good at plunge diving based on skeletal studies
night mountain
i think a lot of the issue is any flyer in games like this ends up being a scavenger because you can see everything, not really a way to avoid that
white spruce
@coral swan Radio tower isn't the only area with a human base, the other two are next to a river and near a beach respectively. They're pretty easy to get to.
coral swan
I know and why would anyone put someone's other work to a place where ppl will rarely see it?
I don't mind not going up there from players perspective, I just feel bad for Visual and his hard and pretty work. Because the RT is a different model than the other buildings, also why would you ask someone to do models for you if you put them in a place where no players go, only once to check them then nothing.
Same goes with the cool rock formations, they put it in the middle of nowhere where you will never see them and probably get lost without a map to guide you there and back. Oh and you may die in the process of going to theese spots
white spruce
gotta remember that visual's system is set up so that they can make a bunch of buildings. This is only a fraction of the map, I'd expect some more human structures to pop up in the future.
white spruce
"utha"
valid zephyr
Not a fan of the primal feathered skin. Especially how it basically holds out its 'wings' in front of it which ends up looking gross.
feathers are pointing into the direction it's running which just looks bad.
Don't like the mane down the back either.
barren zephyr
The classic skin actually works well on the "skin format", but the other skins don't
Secondly, the hands in the sprint are folded, so then the feathers are folded with the hands as well.
If applying this plumage to TI's model, it wouldn't look too bad (especially with more 3 dimensionality to the mane)
barren zephyr
Ye fred does have nice dinosaur illustrations
nova anchor
although I'm 100% for feathered raptor, PCE's feathered raptor just doesn't look... good? Idk how to describe it but I think something like fred's feathered utahs would be better
keen sparrow
The ik system needs to be reworked
When somethings going up a hill, it’s not perpendicular to the ground
It’s leaning forward to counteract gravity
glossy matrix
ah yes
a completely different genus separated by millions of years
and
a subspecies of mosasaurus
same thing
barren zephyr
Primal carnage has it's own style which fits with it's game. But adding that to the isle would drive a lot of people away.
glossy matrix
i mean
edgy hamlet
Pachy is bigger than Utah except it was changed, and its legbreak will do the work for the Pachy. If the Carno ambushes them then they might die yeah, but thats on the player for not watching out. If they see the Carno they can smack his legs
dire peak
the isel
edgy hamlet
And against Cera im sure itll have a 50/50 chance
barren zephyr
wait the phoenix corporation from pc is the same one in the isle?
real kraken
Pachy is bigger than Utah except it was changed, and its legbreak will do the wo...
I'm just worried it'll look ridiculous seeing a human sized pachy smack and potentially kill a carno and/or cerato
dire peak
!
glossy matrix
I'm just worried it'll look ridiculous seeing a human sized pachy smack and pote...
9 inch thick skull moment
edgy hamlet
I'm just worried it'll look ridiculous seeing a human sized pachy smack and pote...
i dont think they will be able to kill and facetank them, but they can always escape, wouldnt really look ridicoulus in my opinion
real kraken
9 inch thick skull moment
ik but still, I guess till I actually see it, it will seem weird to me
barren zephyr
real kraken
How quick could they run?
edgy hamlet
i mean utahs kill carnos and it doesnt really look weird and pachys are bigger
real kraken
Yeah but utahs latch on lol
edgy hamlet
and Pachys crack legs :d
real kraken
True, all it should take is one hit and it'll make the carnivore go away
arctic nimbus
Keep in mind that Pachy is also really heavy for its size.
paper geyser
pachy is like a walking (running) battering ram
thorny lynx
I'm still hung up on how unfinished Carno's broadcast feels in comparison to Legacy's call.
barren zephyr
i miss carno legacy 2 call 
thorny lynx
It is still there, just not so much purr-y. The calls feel a lot shorter than in Legacy, which I really dislike because Carno was known for that small dino with a huge booming voice.
thorny lynx
Probably because Carno is a smaller dinosaur.
What if they were saving the legacy vocals for Elder Carno?
paper geyser
i hope to god they are
thorny lynx
I hear no difference from tapping the broadcast key and holding it, same for the 3 call
paper geyser
yeah i was expecting variations like with utah and teno
seems like there isn't much for some of the new dinos
thorny lynx
Dinosauriac refused to give us previews of the new calls before he left because he knew he was going to leave and do new projects
Feels like he rushed to get everything done and then fucked off. He had finished the vocals of all dinosaurs WAY, WAY, WAY before Evrima came out, and the playerbase did not know what to expect from these new calls.
I am pretty sure he had the components of Carno's old Legacy call. I have no idea why he could not save them.
Legacy calls felt more natural because the breath blended in with the calls instead of expressing itself as an entirely different entity in case the dinosaur lost its voice from exhaustion.
barren zephyr
Fuckin miss the old legacy carno calls..
I had a listen to the updated Ptera calls, and they sound a LOT better. However they still sound a little off.
Don't know what it is but, it's odd.
thorny lynx
Ptera's broadcast sounds like nails on a chalkboard.
barren zephyr
In a way I agree
thorny lynx
You would think they would make something that would be free to call without anything jumping up and snapping at it would not sound like REEEESKKKKK
barren zephyr
I'll be honest
I'd prefer a softer Ptera call
JP VIBES that's what it is
I'm getting heavy JP vibes from the ptera calls
thorny lynx
Here we go again...
barren zephyr
Yep
glossy matrix
Parrot Ptera calls
barren zephyr
I get JP vibes from everything in the isle now that I think about it
thorny lynx
thorny lynx
I get JP vibes from everything in the isle now that I think about it
Because Dondi is a massive child, as he has said himself. He loooves JP.
dapper pulsar
JP's usually trying to be accurate for the time but ends up making pop culture dinosaurs look the same for the next... 40 years? Maybe only 20 since JP3 was a 2000s movie.
thorny lynx
No offense to anyone, but it really reflects on the community as I see more reactions of "oooo pretty dino make big noise and go chomp" than "mammalian features do not work on reptilian specimens"
barren zephyr
God they have no business calling that abomination raptor a "velociraptor"
thorny lynx
I get these are freaks. But how far is too far? We cannot even call Rhino anky the same animal anymore
dapper pulsar
The continued use of that name for the raptors is dumb, but I can see why.
twin burrow
Oh boi you mean the devs can't be creative, they must always fit what I want with my realism argument BLEH
barren zephyr
No we just hate JP
sacred wyvern
the isle isnt all about realism
thorny lynx
I do not... hate JP. I hate how their interpretation of these movie monsters infiltrate pop culture and makes people invalidate science.
dapper pulsar
The JP designs are iconic but are like
barren zephyr
Hate is too far, yes.
paper geyser
creativity is fine, fictionalisation is fine, rhino anky is not fine
dapper pulsar
If not it's close.
glossy matrix
creativity is fine, fictionalisation is fine, **rhino anky is not fine**
This
barren zephyr
You dare call this an anky.. tsk.
thorny lynx
I lowkey do not care for hippo rex. Reminds me of Worgens.
dapper pulsar
The JP designs are wonderful, accurate for the time they were made, but tend to hold back other media.
paper geyser
there's a balance to be struck between realism and fiction. Spino is a good example of how it should be done. Rhino anky is a good example how it should not be done
paper geyser
dont get me wrong the models themselves are fantastic and i have nothing but praise for the modelers, but the artistic direction some of these have gone in is a little sad imo
thorny lynx
There is something wrong in the attic if you think something with a club on its tail capable of snapping a T-rex's ankle should be able to gallop. I am sorry. But that is cringy. Anky running around snapping ankles on the offensive instead of being the slow, immovable tank requiring significant brainpower and teamwork to overtake.
thorny lynx
I'm pretty sure when you are a slow animal with a slow metabolism, you do not need to eat a lot or even move very far.
twin burrow
You do realize that these animals actually can move decently quickly. 
paper geyser
a lot of people apparently
thorny lynx
You do realize that these animals actually can move decently quickly. <:whywatt:...
Yes, but why should something that snaps ankles be able to gallop? It can just leisurely walk away while T-rex cries to itself because its ankle is sticking out from its leg.
mental sleet
Fluff casually disregarding the existance of juveniles.
thorny lynx
Fluff casually disregarding the existance of juveniles.
Juveniles galloping, I understand. But not fully-grown adults.
twin burrow
Cept you don't even know that it'll be able to gallop so again your stretching a narrative to fit what you want.
paper geyser
he's giving his opinion on galloping, since its been suggested by an alarming number of people
inner hound
is it just me or am i seeing the same suggestion everyday but just posted again
twin burrow
It's almost like these changes to Anky were done for more then just speed, more like to make it easier to animate so Bryan doesn't cry his eyes out while he does it's locomotion.
dapper pulsar
You are.
inner hound
i swear i have seen the carno call suggestion like 5 times now
dapper pulsar
Use the search function.
thorny lynx
It's almost like these changes to Anky were done for more then just speed, more ...
Well, maybe we should have more animators who specializes in big, lumbering animals.
sacred wyvern
but why?
twin burrow
Easier said then done
paper geyser
It's almost like these changes to Anky were done for more then just speed, more ...
hmm changing the entire appearance of an animal purely for the sake of animation seems like a stretch
thorny lynx
Bryan is probably exhausted. We need someone who can take some load off of him. I appreciate what he does, but these animations are beginning to all look the same. I recall when each dinosaur had its own character and style to its locomotion.
mental sleet
Tfw Kissen was forgotten about.
inner hound
kissen does anims aswell
dapper pulsar
It's because the animal isn't mobile enough to be viable in Evrima.
twin burrow
That feel when kissen exists.
thorny lynx
Kisses does idle animation, doesn't she? Not the locomotion?
twin burrow
She literally did Magy's sprint
dapper pulsar
I'm paraphrasing but I think that's the gist.
thorny lynx
I lowkey would rather have Anky curl up like an armadillo than gallop into the sunset. At least it would not be able to use its tail while rolled up.
twin burrow
And then you ignore it and go back to Anky, ok
dapper pulsar
I'd be down.
inner hound
do we know if it gets a gallop tho?
twin burrow
No
paper geyser
It's because the animal isn't mobile enough to be viable in Evrima.
Slow metabolism solves pretty much any mobility issues, unless im overlooking something massive
sacred wyvern
no
twin burrow
She's just assuming hard
thorny lynx
She literally did Magy's sprint
She did, yes, and Camara. But I recall she does something else? Does she code?
inner hound
then just wait till we get a run lmao
mental sleet
It doesn't, Kato, because being unbearably slow is a pain, no matter how much hunger and thirst you have.
barren zephyr
I think Kissen is the current head dev since Dondi dipped for a little.
I might be wrong.
twin burrow
Kissen does not code, she literally animates and is the current head dev atm.
barren zephyr
Thought so.
paper geyser
It doesn't, Kato, because being unbearably slow is a pain, no matter how much hu...
being slow is literally anky's thing, if someone plays anky they know it's going to be slow
barren zephyr
Nah nah guys.. anky is CLEARLY a fast herbivore.
thorny lynx
Having one more animator could not hurt. We have 50 dinosaurs on the roster each with their own life stages.
That is a lot on two animators
paper oriole
Galloping omnivore anky that pulverizes its victims and slurps up the remains
twin burrow
Ya because you have no idea how hard it is to come across dinosaur animators, let alone good ones sweetheart, again easier said then done
thorny lynx
Gabriel is pretty good
inner hound
was it that suchomimus clip?
thorny lynx
Yeh
inner hound
didnt like that at all tbf. hes good but unsure if it fits
twin burrow
Ya it doesn't fit
inner hound
who knows maybe people send in animator applications. its a wait and see game
thorny lynx
I just. Do not want Rex running like an Emu. You know?
night mountain
Honestly on the pachy thing
thorny lynx
I want Rex running like a 8.86 ton animal.
night mountain
I’m not against us having bob pachy
twin burrow
I mean you've already seen it's running animations so I dunno why that's your concern.
thorny lynx
I mean you've already seen it's running animations so I dunno why that's your co...
Still kinda weightless. So is Spino's. Good lord, Spino needs its animations redone.
twin burrow
Your saying this like Spino isn't far away as hell
inner hound
spino personally needs a change in its run
dapper pulsar
I like BoB Pachy.
night mountain
Rolling anky is legit less weird than fast anky. Like yes rolling is silly but it fits the spirit of the animal better than being a fast runner
thorny lynx
Call me strange, but I LOVE Legacy Spino's goofy run animation. Big, lumbering beast not properly equipped for running on land but it does its best.
inner hound
also not too happy with allos run. looks like bunny hopping.
thorny lynx
also not too happy with allos run. looks like bunny hopping.
All dinosaurs over 500kg should have one foot on the ground at all times. Think of something two tons trying to hop. It would hurt.
dapper pulsar
Kangaroo movement for Theri.
inner hound
but its not like ill play ythose animals anyway. just a shame rlly.
night mountain
Bary run looks like it shit it’s pants and is trying to get to the bathroom before anyone notices
paper geyser
All dinosaurs over 500kg should have one foot on the ground at all times. Think ...
also if they trip, lotsa pain
thorny lynx
Bary run looks like it shit it’s pants and is trying to get to the bathroom befo...
Carno and Utah walk looks the same.
thorny lynx
No, wait, Utah and Carno look like they're doing the "I need to pee, teacher" dance when they walk
thorny lynx
Rex runs like an emu?
No, I did not want him to.
Am I the only one bothered at Carno not keeping its midsection straight when it moves? It's tilted.
dapper pulsar
Can I get a brief rundown on what the plans are for all the large carnivorous theropods?
I have a suggestion for Saurophaganax and I wanna see if it's bases are covered.
sacred wyvern
they are big and they eat stuff
thorny lynx
It feels as if our dinosaurs cannot extend theirthigh past 90 degrees vertically, so they cannot pull their thighs back for more power in their strides like Legacy Herrera, Carno, Utah, and Dilo could in their strides. All they can do is shuffle around.
paper geyser
im extremely bothered by carno's noodle tail
thorny lynx
im extremely bothered by carno's noodle tail
Reminds me of lizards during autonomy. Flop flop.
thorny lynx
I've been interested in animating for a while but I know I could never be as good as most professionals.
paper geyser
yeah the whole point of carno is straightening up for when it runs and hits thing with its horns
right now it moves like any other theropod
dapper pulsar
Just correct me if I'm wrong but: Giga relies on bleed, Rex is an ambush predator, Spino stays out of the way, Acro is doing something that probably won't cover any of the same bases.
Carno needs to commit.
thorny lynx
Just correct me if I'm wrong but: Giga relies on bleed, Rex is an ambush predato...
Acro is something between Allo and Giga. Grapple bleeder. Flesh ripper.
twin burrow
Cept you don't even know that
sacred wyvern
we havnt got concept art on acro yet
thorny lynx
Acro chonk 4noraisins
twin burrow
Because none of are suppose to be the fast apex and don't have to be
thorny lynx
Rex was in Legacy, but I would prefer if it was an endurant predator that exhausts prey before safely delivering the critical blow to the spine or neck.
I imagine Giga being a quiet stalker that launches out from the bushes and delivers a series of horrific bites to the neck and then hassles prey away from water.
dapper pulsar
There'll probably be a fast Apex in Evrima.
twin burrow
X to doubt
thorny lynx
Spino is the... "I fish until Deino beats my ass. Then I go on land and scavenge, eat small stuff and chase small things off kills until Rex and Giga beat my ass. Then I go back in water to fish."
twin burrow
Fluff pls stop that narrative you got from that Dondi quote that you took out of context
barren zephyr
Yawn
twin burrow
Spino will clearly be able to reliably defend itself from the other apexes, Dondi has specified otherwise as well.
barren zephyr
Can we just get our old heavy rex walking animations, with some polish? Thanks
dapper pulsar
Fast Apex isn't covered yet so it's a free giant predator to add.
twin burrow
''I don't want it to be a pushover to anything''
So please just stop and if you continue, you can continue your little adrenaline rush
thorny lynx
It can not be a pushover it all it wants. That will not mean Rex will not eventually wear it out and drive it off.
sacred wyvern
how do u know?
dapper pulsar
Spino'll probably be able to substantially injure the other apexs but I don't think it's built to win an engagement.
twin burrow
That's not how it works on a defensive animal Fluff, like ok
thorny lynx
I think of Rex being a tank destroyer while Spino is a heavy tank.
dapper pulsar
Acro tank buster better
barren zephyr
Give spino wings and it'll be a full on dragon
thorny lynx
Eventually, you will not be able to withstand the overwhelming pressure of a hydraulic press chomping on your arms, neck, and face.
twin burrow
Too bad your rex bias can be smelt across the planet
paper geyser
just unironically make rex the apex predator with no competition or hardships whatsoever
dapper pulsar
Make thing without hardships as adult hard to adult
thorny lynx
1v1, I believe Rex should win against Spino and Giga if it is 100% healthy, most of the time.
dapper pulsar
Like Brachio.
sacred wyvern
opinions.
dapper pulsar
Or
twin burrow
Ya because let's make T.rex this dam powerful and have no form of potential threat to it whatsoever. It's totally fair for the faster, offensive animal to just smash the defensive one to bits. Because the fuck is the point of playing Spino besides fishing when Sucho and Bary also fish. It's just stupid.
paper geyser
realistically rex would win against pretty much everything, and even more realistically nothing near rex's size would choose to fight rex. Animals aren't usually fond of fair fights
sacred wyvern
gameplay > realism
thorny lynx
I said most of the time. If rex wants to get the jump on you and beat your ass, it probably can and will.
paper geyser
in case nobody could tell, im joking, rex needs to be balanced
thorny lynx
1v1, Rex is probably gonna have the highest DPS in close quarters.
twin burrow
Not even most of the time how about a 50/50 dependent on the player, hm? Is that so much to fucking ask
paper geyser
when it comes to anything imo
everything on the roster should have the chance to either run, hide, or fight anything else on the roster
thorny lynx
Fighting is still the same as it is in legacy with the exception of locational damage. Just chase shit, aim, bite, run awaym
dapper pulsar
Spino, on an equal, land playing field, should not beat Rex a majority of the time.
barren zephyr
Sausage with a sail
Cursed
dapper pulsar
Spino trades power for aquatic capabilities.
barren zephyr
Very
paper geyser
not this spino, it still has a regular tail and long legs
dapper pulsar
No
sacred wyvern
and some big strong arms
twin burrow
Hm yes an animal specified to be good at both land and water but best at neither apparently trades power somehow. Fuck outta here already
thorny lynx
I have a feeling Rex is gonna chomp down and just keep biting down. Why would it let go? The more it holds its bite and the more prey struggles to get away, the more damage it's gonna do.
I lowkey tire of having to run away after biting. Why not just chomp down on something and cling onto it? It should not be an ability exclusive to allo.
barren zephyr
I’d imagine spino has an animation cancel to contend with other apexes
All win hit to attack super fast like the legacy one
*allowing it
barren zephyr
I have a feeling Rex is gonna chomp down and just keep biting down. Why would it...
Allos abilities aren’t even confirmed yet tho
thorny lynx
I would love to see dinosaurs bite something on the neck or spine and just thrash its head.
barren zephyr
If we ask enough maybe the devs will give us a Rex grapple/chomp ability
paper geyser
all i want for christmas is acro slam
dapper pulsar
Nevermind
barren zephyr
Probably would be a similar mechanic to the deino death roll that we’re apparently getting
thorny lynx
Rex jaws probably instant crit on the neck or spine for anything smaller than it.
barren zephyr
I heard it somewhere that deino would get a lunge and have the ability to latch into prey above water
But I don’t remember where
paper geyser
just imagine this unit grabbing something by the neck and throwing it to the ground. Yes please
sacred wyvern
in real life it can but who said it can do that ingame?
gotta make things balanced and fun before we add realism
dapper pulsar
Spino stays out of the way of other apexs
thorny lynx
Deino lunging out of the water sounds hilarious but it would probably cost a lot of stamina.
dapper pulsar
Like a good boy
barren zephyr
Yea something something “battle of stamina” something
I remember that somewhere
But I don’t remember where
thorny lynx
I hope apex 3 calls clouds your screen and shakes it when you are something smaller to stun.
paper geyser
if close, yes, if far, god no
dapper pulsar
Far yes
thorny lynx
Ovi tries to steal your egg? Nope. Roar in its face.
barren zephyr
Stun seems broken
paper geyser
if its within maybe 15-20m it should shake your screen and apply a slight blur effect on the corners of your fov
sacred wyvern
u want ark trex?
dapper pulsar
Stuns are always bad
barren zephyr
Ye
dapper pulsar
In multiplayer games that is
glossy matrix
Para should get call stun
dapper pulsar
They can work sometimes
barren zephyr
In multiplayer games that is
Laughs in league of legends morgana
dapper pulsar
Laughs in all of Overwatch
barren zephyr
Nothing can be worse than morg in league
thorny lynx
Just imagine an oviraptor thinking mommy rex is somewhere else but she is just in the bush. She rushes out from the bushes, gets right in oviraptor's face, opens her mouth, and gives the ovi what for, halitosis breath, infrasound, 120 decibels and all.
barren zephyr
4 entire seconds of stop playing the game
north vector
Thats just over the top fluff
dapper pulsar
What if Troodon's mimics also shake the screen.
barren zephyr
So even our current stun locking tenont is ok
dapper pulsar
That'd be kinda pog
barren zephyr
What if Troodon's mimics also shake the screen.
Nahh that would be broken
paper geyser
What if Troodon's mimics also shake the screen.
no, that could actually be a good way to distinguish between real and fake
barren zephyr
Wait why would it be broken
thorny lynx
Deer get so scared of Tigers roaring at it that they just freeze or drop dead.
Freezing small animals in place or causing them to flee could work for a Rex
sacred wyvern
so make the ability useless because u will be able to tell?
paper geyser
so make the ability useless because u will be able to tell?
if you're not paying close attention you might not notice it, it's just a suggestion
dapper pulsar
That doesn't devalue the ability entirely
paper geyser
plus, you have to be close for it to shake your screen, remember
dapper pulsar
Like how another animal existing doesn't devalue a suggestion
sacred wyvern
since its a recurring thing it will be noticible
paper geyser
not really
dapper pulsar
Or having 4 fucking ceratopsids doesn't devalue the 5th
sacred wyvern
its the same shake anytime so yes it is
barren zephyr
I think it would be weird and somewhat disenchanting if the tiny troodon makes a sound much larger than itself
thorny lynx
I think even a Utah would shit its legs if a Rex were to get up in its face and scream at it.
paper geyser
if a troodon 3 calls within 20 metres you'd probably already see it anyways
barren zephyr
Maybe troo mimics a juvi
sacred wyvern
debatable on where u are
paper geyser
and theres no way to tell how close it is, so you might just assume it's further than it actually is
dapper pulsar
Loud ass rex call
barren zephyr
I’m all for a loud Rex call
glossy matrix
I think it would be weird and somewhat disenchanting if the tiny troodon makes a...
Lyrebird mimicking a chainsaw moment
barren zephyr
Lyrebird mimicking a chainsaw moment
Bruh that sounds epic send me a vid
glossy matrix
I can’t rn since I’m on mobile, but if you search it on google you can find a David Attenborough video
paper geyser
dapper pulsar
God people get really up their own ass in here if we continue a subject too long.
glossy matrix
Yeah that one
paper geyser
lyre birds actually make t. rex troodons seem plausible
dapper pulsar
Troodon mimics Merc player having heated gaming moment.
paper geyser
if you see how accurately it can replicate a camera shutter, it can make some pretty specific sounds
dapper pulsar
In game audio splicer for what you've heard that you can bind to keys
Merc proximity chat
Wait do the things we thought were cannibals hunt by sound?
paper geyser
the ones with no eyes? Yeah i'd presume so
dapper pulsar
How the fuck do guns
dapper pulsar
Mercs are gonna be the strongest and weakest thing depending on luck
paper geyser
depends on how tanky dinos are against bullets
even medium sized carnis might be easy kills for mercs
dapper pulsar
A focus on realism would make bullets
paper geyser
im sure they wont make mercs useless though, seeing as ammo will be scarce (i think)
dapper pulsar
Shred
glossy matrix
Rex should die if a merc shoots it straight in the eye with a sniper rifle
paper geyser
please no
glossy matrix
Cause it’d go through into the brain
paper geyser
god the amount of bullshit
imagine charging at a merc and he somehow gets a lucky shot in your eye and you drop dead
please no
no one shots
glossy matrix
Rex has minuscule eyes though
paper geyser
yeah but anything that allows for oneshots (especially a human vs an apex) should not be implemented
thats also my concern with bullets
a merc might just stack up on ammo and then mow down an allo in two seconds
balancing them will be hard, that's for sure
glossy matrix
They will die to death
dapper pulsar
Apexs should keep mercs in the dense jungles where fighting smaller animals is actually fun
dapper pulsar
I think it could lead to a few awesome moments.
paper geyser
i like it because of lore, but im very worried about how over/underpowered they might be
barren zephyr
Surely if it's implemented correctly
glossy matrix
I never liked the idea of Mercs in the isle tbu
Too bad
paper geyser
they better add basic emotes and petting dinos
dapper pulsar
Grabbing Minmi and put it in your backpack
paper geyser
like the 2 call for a human is just the "come here" gesture and if the dino 2 calls back the merc can pet it
dapper pulsar
Shield and it's safer
barren zephyr
Yes
dapper pulsar
Win win
glossy matrix
Add a Dino shaking emote
glossy matrix
Like, when the Dino kinda rotates it’s head and torso side to side a bit
dapper pulsar
In this game it'd have to be held back from pure spiderman grapple hook
glossy matrix
It’s a common thing in Dino idle animations
dapper pulsar
But still good
paper geyser
Like, when the Dino kinda rotates it’s head and torso side to side a bit
like the rex (or was it utah) idle animation in legacy?
paper geyser
shaking rex hands
barren zephyr
This big fucking beast just laying next to you demanding belly scratches
dapper pulsar
Maybe a more basic version of the taming system
Where you can recognize mercs
Grudge
paper geyser
like grouping sorta, i think that would be neat
barren zephyr
The more you're around them the more you start recognizing them and their smell
paper geyser
maybe befriended mercs leave a different colored scent
barren zephyr
Yes
paper geyser
so you know who not to kill
glossy matrix
I mean like when a dog shakes off water
dapper pulsar
White male
glossy matrix
But with no water
paper geyser
i really want battle scars to be implemented
dapper pulsar
So mercs can have their white whales too
Albino spino
Cannot escape it
Do skins translate to strains or just
Green black white
glossy matrix
I want dinos to be able to be blinded
dapper pulsar
Hypsi
glossy matrix
Like, locational damage
dapper pulsar
Oh
dapper pulsar
Hypsi but this time it rips out your eye
barren zephyr
But then how would that work
dapper pulsar
Like that Anthomnia thumbnail
barren zephyr
You just have half your vision gone all the time?
glossy matrix
You lose your depth perception
barren zephyr
Well
dapper pulsar
Why the fuck did Anthomnia make that his thumbnail
paper geyser
similar to oneshots, i disagree with maiming
barren zephyr
paper geyser
permanent damage should be cosmetic only
barren zephyr
What he said
glossy matrix
That’d be weird tho
glossy matrix
Imagine if you ripped off an allo arm
dapper pulsar
600 pounds each
glossy matrix
Or it got blown off
barren zephyr
If you are just permanently blinded it would be weird
glossy matrix
How would it still grapple
dapper pulsar
Merc flash bang
paper geyser
well allo arms obviously wont be able to be removed, since it needs them
glossy matrix
That’s dumb
barren zephyr
Which is why as a whole we should not I’ve maiming
Scarring like eye scratches maybe
paper geyser
permanently removing a player's ability to see properly is dumb
barren zephyr
But not ripping limbs
dapper pulsar
Chunks of Spino's sail could be neat
glossy matrix
We have a whole update that’s dedicated to gore
dapper pulsar
And then eat
barren zephyr
That’s dumb
Why not anthcc
glossy matrix
Why would allos arms be invincible
dapper pulsar
How do you feel about diets shifting with age
glossy matrix
Why not anthcc
Because anth is dumb
barren zephyr
I think allowing ripping off limbs when it’s dead maybe
glossy matrix
And clickbaits all the time
barren zephyr
But from a balance perspective
dapper pulsar
Like a young animal being omnivorous, but it's diet leans more towards meat as kt aves
paper geyser
because they need them? Permanent damage should be cosmetic only, so obviously an essential limb won't be removed as part of cosmetics
glossy matrix
And spreads misinformation
glossy matrix
How do you feel about diets shifting with age
Based
dapper pulsar
Saurophaganax as baby's first Apex
barren zephyr
But I’ve never seen him spread misinformation
glossy matrix
Saurophaganax as baby's first Apex
More like allo
barren zephyr
When has he done that?
glossy matrix
Like seriously
south patio
Thanks @maiden anvil
glossy matrix
Sauro is literally just allo
paper geyser
clickbait can be a form of misinformation
glossy matrix
But I’ve never seen him spread misinformation
With his titles and thumbnails
dapper pulsar
Saurophaganax can be made separate
paper geyser
if someone sees anth's thumbnail about a new giant raptor without watching the video they'll walk away thinking a giant raptor has been added
dapper pulsar
Also Allo baaad
glossy matrix
When the roadmap got updated he said that a type-h was on it
barren zephyr
Clickbait is understandable
dapper pulsar
Gigantoraptor
barren zephyr
But misinformation I’ve never seen
barren zephyr
When the roadmap got updated he said that a type-h was on it
When
barren zephyr
Didn’t he say he was just speculating that it might be hypos
In the elders card right
glossy matrix
His title had type-h in it
glossy matrix
I’ll find it
barren zephyr
Yea his titles is never believable, but I’d say he hasn’t done anything really wild
paper geyser
this is blatant clickbait and misinformation
barren zephyr
Ooohhh
glossy matrix
This one too
glossy matrix
The fact that anth is still considered a content creator and Pesky isn’t astounds me
All pesky did was make a video on Anky, Anth has shown multiple times that he has no qualms with lying to people for views
flint root
real kraken
@runic girder I'm pretty sure that the group limit is set by the server admins
barren zephyr
runic girder
Geez
white spruce
pretty sure officials dont have a limit
officials do indeed have a limit. I believe the limit for your species is whatever the max amount you can have before it starts making the herd appear as an orange scent
runic girder
barren zephyr
Juvies not counting towards the pack limit is a bad idea imo
Especially when they grow up and randomly get kicked out of the group, and for the fact that it could make up a mega pack
runic girder
Yes but kick them out as adults
Like any other pack or herd would do with today’s animals
barren zephyr
Yes but until they become adults you would have like 10 juvies 5 adults in a pack
Just because they are small doesn’t mean it ain’t a mega pack
runic girder
Within reason
But seriously
In legacy, we were able to add as many to a group as we liked but admins still enforced their rules
Pack limits exist
You get punished if you’re overpacking
barren zephyr
Yeah so you could have mega packs of carnivores that would storm the map like Area 51
barren zephyr
Yes because pack limits limit the amount of people in the pack making it so mega packs basically never happen
If 20 Utah’s went around the map killing everything it wouldn’t be fun right?
barren zephyr
I swear they said they could
runic girder
Apparently not
icy lion
its planned, but not in
dapper pulsar
Hm yes an animal specified to be good at both land and water but best at neither apparently trades power somehow. Fuck outta here already
I just wanna say that this statement could be seen as "Spinosaurus has aquatic and land capabilities so it'll be weaker than Apexs that are purely land or water based".
Instead of like, mobility wise.
dapper pulsar
I was reading up to see what I've missed and I'm very spiteful this was the end of that argument.
I'm very spiteful in general actually.
barren zephyr
And fluff will appear as though he’s magically summoned in...
5,
4,
3,
2,
1,
dapper pulsar
Fluff don't come into this chat ever
barren zephyr
And...
dapper pulsar
That "and" is a cop out!
barren zephyr
dapper pulsar
Ok let's move on so we can mock anyone who brings this up
Omnivore that becomes pure carnivore as it ages, yay or nay?
thorny lynx
... what the fuck, Nay. It would be much more difficult to hunt in elder stages since they grow weaker. Better off eating fruit, plants, insects, fish, and anything else that does not have a chance to break your fragile ass hips.
barren zephyr
As much yay as I can fit
thorny lynx
By aging, you mean elder stage, yes?
white spruce
nay
barren zephyr
It should still be able to eat plants and whatnot, but it is mostly a meat eater for optimal damage output via diet system
dapper pulsar
Going deeper into carnivorous until it's a pure carnivore.
thorny lynx
Usually it is the other way around. Sauropods go from omnivory when younger to herbivory as they grow older because they need they need extra protein and nutrients and calories to reach such proportional sizes.
dapper pulsar
It's an idea I have for a "baby's first apex" creature
Real easy to maintain, real weak.
A fair trade off unless you feature in Jurassic Park 3.
Speedy. Doesn't require as much time to be put in to reach adulthood.
thorny lynx
Mirror, you fail to understand that omnivory makes surviving extremely easy. You do not want a dinosaur that can pretty much act as a garbage disposal whilst younger to grow up into a carnivore. Carnivores are less populous in the wild than herbivores for a reason. They have a hard ass time growing up.
white spruce
Baby's first apex is either pseudo large carnivore
thorny lynx
If you want to be a carnivore, it is to be EXPECTED your life is hella more difficult than grazing on plants all day and occasionally smacking something in the face.
barren zephyr
Mirror, you fail to understand that omnivory makes surviving extremely easy. You...
I was thinking for this role to be given to oviraptor, as it can eat anything and everything that isn’t rotten, so that it’s not too big and too op. Mirror, do you agree with mostly carnivorous ovi?
Via diet system, it just gives you optimal damage or something
But you don’t need to eat meat
thorny lynx
I would rather not have omnivores who can scavenge or eat off of carrion because that gives incentive to attack and kill other dinosaurs by preference. You can eat plants, but why would players do that when it has a chance and excuse to just kill everything and eat it?
barren zephyr
Considering that even with optimal damage via diet system or something idk, it wouldn’t do too much damage
dapper pulsar
Of course a creature like this would pose a semi-major balance issue. The thing I forgot to mention(just made up), is that it's not a generalist by omni standards. Eating too many plants will cause it to vomit, maybe even lose the ability to become an elder, and the amount of plant you can have in your stomach goes down until you're a sub adult. The animal would be a generalist by carnivore standards, having resistances to Magy and rotten meat, allowing it to eat them in smaller amounts.
Newborns are truly omnivorous, but it goes down at a higher and higher rate each stage you go up.
It doesn't have to be when you become a sub adult actually, it could be near the middle, or top.
barren zephyr
Nah it shouldn’t eat rotten meat
It shouldn’t eat rotten meat
That would be cursed
dapper pulsar
It's the easy animal though, it's easy.
The animal I want to suggest this concept for has a name rhyming with Laurophaganax.
Pretty vague hint.
I also have other ideas for it that go against this, like it being like one of those birds that get raised by other dinosaurs.
This version would have it's stats be affected by the animal it was raised by
Or the ability to mix pack with small, medium, and large animals at different stages of life.
Or take the whole "Lord of the Lizard Eaters" thing, and have it be related in some way to Megalania, mosasaurs, and maybe other non-dinosaur creatures.
barren zephyr
Bruh
dapper pulsar
Or maybe make it the opposite of the Rex, since it's name makes it seem like another leader and that could be a fun concept to explore.
barren zephyr
That would make it the easiest apex in the game
Why need skill to survive
When you can be everything
dapper pulsar
If you aren't skilled you can't produce eggs and there won't be any cannibalism penalty.
They can turn on you.
Also it'd probably be a pseudo apex in this scenario.
barren zephyr
Wdym by you can’t produce eggs?
Wdym by there isn’t any cannibalism penalty
I’m curious
dapper pulsar
You can't add to the pack and there's nothing wrong with eating you.
The first is a reason why they wouldn't keep you around, along with the fact you take up a pack limit spot, and the second is what might happen if you really aren't carrying your weight.
barren zephyr
Well, yes but no
dapper pulsar
You gotta pull your weight hard, as you'll usually be a bit worse than what you're packing with, and be worth a lot of food.
mental lodge
@tender latch Is there a reason why you dont want to sniff while you sit lmao
What was the point of the X
night mountain
i downloaded that doc expecting something sus and it wasnt 😦
low dock
A first right?
night mountain
still raptor
Trailers for the game aren't a priority. You cant just simply hire someone. You have to go through contract negotiations, paperwork, interviews etc. That takes a lot of time.
silver sierra
yeah, i think the dev team needs to focus on the actual game rn instead of PR
paper geyser
not to mention seiza has to sign NDAs and all, so they have to be over 18
pretty sure they are though
still raptor
Nda would fall under the category of paperwork
barren zephyr
@fervent fable it's a very fragmentary species, so it we don't know a great deal about it's anatomy
A better candidate might be dryptosaurus (which has some more complete material)
fervent fable
Yeah, Possibly better wait until i suggest it, so we know more of it
Oh
yeah i'll look at Dryptosaurus, and do some research on it
safe galleon
I mean that kinda just sounds like bary
real kraken
Do you think that galli should be able to fracture a utahs leg (with its kick)
sinful summit
I think a lot of well placed bites should inflict mild fractures.
Especially on the legs, arms and necks.
barren zephyr
Do you think that galli should be able to fracture a utahs leg (with its kick)
Don’t create another legacy galli
maiden anvil
@modest crystal I definitely agree with you
valid elk
Rats are the bane of island life, do not add them to any enviornment
barren zephyr
yes
valid zephyr
Add rats to the isle.
All dinos go extinct.
barren zephyr
For mammals the better option wouldn't be something immensely destructive
If there would be one mammal apart from humans I'd add to TI, it'd be some other sort of primate
valid elk
If I were to add an mammal, it'd be semi-aquatic and on the smaller side.
I'm thinking Ambulocetus
barren zephyr
Ambulocetus is pretty big
Some ecoene primate like Godinotia or Darwinius are fairly diminutive
About the size of some smaller modern monkeys like capuchins or squirrel monkeys
barren zephyr
But with mammals there should be some differences in gameplay from Dinosaurs
E.g milk, live birth (placentals and marsupials), etc
dire peak
cough Basilosaurus
glossy matrix
The animal I want to suggest this concept for has a name rhyming with Laurophaga...
allosaurus is already in bro
barren zephyr
cough Basilosaurus
ye but ambulocetus can go on land as well
glossy matrix
there's no comparison lmfao
basilo was gigantic
i swear to fuck people get such a hard-on for relentlessly comparing things
barren zephyr
ye
sonic cloud
Cute that people think mammals aside from humans are actually going to happen
celest island
hello, in game i cant walking just my Q is working for moving the right, how to configure settings or simply play the game normally ?
sudden hinge
I like the hard limits on groups but I think it should be reworked that adults count to a certain limits and juvi and hatchlings count to another
jovial sleet
i think i like giga staying similar to how the devs made it kinda....i think i would rather see the bottom pic on its elder model but idk
devout sun
I just think they made it less like The Isle giga
and more like everything else giga
when they dropped the crest stuff and neck stuff
if you take anything, take the crest
I did a bad job on the neck
hushed shadow
I like the hard limits on groups but I think it should be reworked that adults c...
hard limits just seem too restrictive for an immersive game like the isle
sudden hinge
It’s not really that restrictive if you look at the direction the devs are trying to go in I do believe some of the rosters limits should be changed but realistically being able to have large groups in the isle leads to so many different ways of abusing other players hard limits helps mitigate that. I’m actually thinking of other ways to stop mega herds and massive packs other than the hard limits as well
hushed shadow
and how will you handle juvies growing into adults? do they just get kicked?
and i mean exactly that, i dont mean enabling mega packs but rather debuffing players who overpack
i dont like the thought of being limited on who to play with so if i wanna play with more people ill be at a disadvantage that scales with the amount of players but ill know that
theres also a lot of challenges to be had with it, say for example youre a lot of people and overpacking causes hunger and thirst to go down faster because theres not enough food for everybody and you theoretically havent been maintaining a healthy diet by sharing with so many other adults, which could lead to an overpack challenge where you only hunt specific things and try to stay alive or try to stay alive in general
i just think it involves the community more and stops limiting the players from playing with their friends, as well as making the game feel overall better, since in the end it is supposed to induce horror
sudden hinge
I mean I see what you’re saying but in game limits plus stat debuffs I think will need to be in place because pack limits won’t stop people from grouping and the large scent cloud won’t do it either. What I was thinking for hatchlings and juvis not counting to the pack limit till they hit sub makes sense they you’d be raised in your pack or herd till sub than form your own herd and make it on your own. I believe hard limits won’t be too much of an issue really since server owners will be able to edit it them as they see fit as well
hushed shadow
yeah but i dont mean just debuff here and there a bit, i mean debuff them so much nobody who doesnt want a challenge would go for it
i just dont want the game telling me ive reached group max
i want to be debuffed all to hell and be challenged with it so that theres something other to do than the same stuff over and over again. spawn > grow > elder > die
of course that can be fun too since there'll be a lot to the game but i think for people with hours in the thousands it would be nice
and then for grouping anyway without actually being in a group, you just add stress levels
maybe you would get paranoid after being around ungrouped players that're bigger than you for long enough, since your dino has been scared they might attack at any moment
kinda like the hallucinations that are being hinted at in the roadmap
or maybe not bigger but same size and up, potentially
sudden hinge
Idk like I said I think being in mega herds and giant packs should literally lead to like disease mechanics not like challenging gameplay more like if I continue to do this my Dino will die because overpopulating an area will cause sever problems. I believe the devs are wanting group sizes to be a lot smaller this go around as well
dapper pulsar
Who the fuck @'d me.
dapper pulsar
I'd imagine any mammals would be added in the far future. They'd probably add the famous ones like Smilodon or Megatherium, maybe split off from the rest of the roster.
vast wolf
well the devs have already said they dont want things like that in game.
paper oriole
i hope the dewlap returns for the male giga at least on the new model, its absence bugs me even more than the smooth crest lol
paper geyser
@hushed shadow big agree, carno's tail is basically any other theropod noodle tail
and it looks awful
hushed shadow
yeah at first i was hesitant to agree with others on it because i hadn't personally seen it in game but holy shit it's terrible
paper oriole
If carnos tail moved like that irl he'd be tripping all over the place lol
white spruce
@real kraken Speak for yourself, I've not had that bad of lag
dapper pulsar
Carno's 2 things are running and tripping
Ignoring horns, short face, small arms
,always being red
barren zephyr
<@!493002940861382658> Speak for yourself, I've not had that bad of lag
then you are a rare breed
blissful wren
<@!493002940861382658> Speak for yourself, I've not had that bad of lag
Alright mister NASA computer
white spruce
I don't think I'm alone in not seeing this much rubberbanding
real kraken
On the servers I play on multiple times I've complained about it in global and alot of people agreed that the lag is shite
barren zephyr
I don't think I'm alone in not seeing this much rubberbanding
And we are almost certainly not the minority in seeing this much rubberbanding
vast wolf
the entire reason hypsis morph was not completed was because it would take more time and its pretty pointless as it wouldn't be able to see over the grass.
thorny lynx
Why is everyone making question emojis at my feedback?
barren zephyr
Against nugget hypsi!?
thorny lynx
Does nobody hear how other calls are louder than broadcasts?
barren zephyr
Up close I still don’t feel it
thorny lynx
Carno's is less noticeable
barren zephyr
Carno’s is nonexistent
That broadcast is the loudest and most annoying crap in the game
thorny lynx
Carnos' broadcast has less bass than the other calls
But stego's F and 2 call are so much louder than its other calls
barren zephyr
Stego f call I think is ok
2 call for sure
Carno has no bass
It has reverberation
The little hiss at the end is the only thing that I hate
dapper pulsar
I love Cerato with every fiber of my being, but Pachy's update should come first.
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestion 
dapper pulsar
LOOK THE "Y" IN YES WAS ONE VOTE BELOW THE OTHERS I HAD TO
white spruce
Diets rely on perks. Diets affect your desires and the perks who get as a result, they rely on that perk system coming first.
mental sleet
wut
white spruce
Diets seem like they're tied to desires, hence why perks have to come in the update prior to diets.
mental sleet
how so ?
white spruce
Diets are seemingly a +1 to your animal's desires. A good thing that you're encouraged to keep doing. With how it and desires have been described in the Dondi steam where he mentioned emotes, it seems both affected growth times and certain stats in a very similar way. It's also tied to elders in that you can't elder if you don't eat well, and elders are tied to their own perks as well, so I'd imagine it'll just be another thing you can do to make your character happy. Possibly one of the more extreme affectors on your dinosaur's wellbeing?
paper oriole
How bad would your dino have to smell for its tracks to make predators throw up. Like you would show up with normal scent at that point