general-feedback-discussion

[dapper pulsar]

They will consume you.

[vast wolf]

im litterally going to sleep.

[thorny lynx]

Rex's neck is thick. Cheirus is not grabbing that, not without Rex shaking it off.

[vast wolf]

it is past mid night.

[sonic cloud]

I mean Acro is my personal favourite but Giga’s the one we’re getting so theres no real point in Acro anymore

[vast wolf]

yet were getting it.

[dapper pulsar]

Ducc got 2

[dapper pulsar]

also claws

[sonic cloud]

Don’t remember saying Acro wasn’t happening, all I remember saying is that theres no point to it

[dapper pulsar]

Tank buster

[vast wolf]

there is no point ot it but were getting it anyway.

[dapper pulsar]

tank busterrrrr

Best attacks in the game

uses lotsa stamina

has to kill strong big things

[sonic cloud]

We don’t know if it’ll be on officials

[dapper pulsar]

never ending cycle

[thorny lynx]

Acro sounds like that big bruiser that controls apex populations by picking off weak and dumb subadult apex carnivores.

[wild stone]

Am I the only one that really likes the albatross ptera take-off?

[ebon crypt]

It simply makes no sense for Ptera, especially when we're getting pela

[wild stone]

I don't see how it makes less sense than any other take-off

[ebon crypt]

Weak legs, which I'm pretty sure the devs took note of themselves

[wild stone]

When did pela get confirmed?

[ebon crypt]

A while ago. Iirc it was Brian's dev pick

[wild stone]

I mean, I just really liked the notion that "Yeah, some things in the game make less sense than others, but we're going to give players whatever options they want and let them choose how they want to play." If you want to expend the stamina to take off like an albatross, or to that really expensive-looking launch, rather than climb up a mountain and just glide from there... that's your business

I loved that. Allowing players to choose their own playstyle as much as possible is part of what makes the game so vibrant.

[dense wagon]

ok but @modest crystal#9318 how does it make sense to buff magy's health more than an allo

it's bigger

[paper oriole]

Utha

[thorny lynx]

Magy bad animal

[paper oriole]

Magy was a mistake

[worn pumice]

Magy shouldn’t be here why does it even have a model

[rocky iris]

@thorny lynx with the carno eyes being diagonal, that sounds more like a bug than general-feedback btw.

[thorny lynx]

True.

[ebon crypt]

@prisma epoch the channel you just posted in

[barren zephyr]

Why do people hate mammals so goddamn much

[safe galleon]

They don’t fit imo

[barren zephyr]

Does it really have to be a thoughtless, automatic response.

[barren zephyr]

Not unless you add small ones.

[safe galleon]

Well if you make a good enough suggestion people could change their minds

[barren zephyr]

Small mammals coexisted with the dinosaurs.

[safe galleon]

That doesn’t mean they should be added

[last topaz]

ah dinos aren't cold blooded? Ima just yeet my idea out of here lmao

now that "adding onto what Deiu said" thing looks kinda weird, sorry

[barren zephyr]

Well it's sorta adding on

[paper geyser]

oh wow they really do sound a little like rodan

i'll now see ptera as a mini rodan, thanks

[tardy owl]

@safe galleon Mammals could be ai food for Juvies ;D

[safe galleon]

They could, but why specifically mammals

Anything could work, AI frogs are already confirmed

[hushed shadow]

because it's not just the same stuff over and over again, it's something entirely new that we haven't had

diversity in the ecosystem would be nice to see

[ebon crypt]

Mammals are fine, but I think that rats/mice and squirrels would be more fitting than monkeys? Then again, this is a tropical island, so I guess small monkeys would make more sense

[edgy hamlet]

Turtles and things like this would be nice, monkeys would probs be a lil hard to animate

[versed zodiac]

um i dont know how many people realize that the hatch ling stage actually is not bad at all compared to legacy's you can actually kill thing like hypsi. so i would say the hatchling stage is not bad at all.

[paper geyser]

Gorillas when

[edgy hamlet]

theyre making a new hatchling stage for update 7 tho probs, a 1 meter stego with spikes and plates wouldnt hatch outta eggs lmao

[edgy hamlet]

goats wen

[shell quarry]

@barren zephyr thats a good idea. it would make up for the fact that herbis have a grazing mechanic, making it very hard for them to starve to death and providing them an alternative if they are starving and unable to find the more suplement food, bushes. this would be the carnivores sort of grazing mechanic. easy to obtain food that would only serve them if they are close to starving that provides very little food if they cant find their more suplement food, dryo ai and players

[shell quarry]

@hushed island the first part of freezing is a bug, the second part is mostly related to just ping and server lag. for example, i pounced a stego, and on my screen i pounced and landed on him before he swung his tail, and displayed i was successful with my pounce for a second, but then switched to me on his tail, dead

[hushed island]

thats still boof

[pulsar crystal]

@edgy hamlet people like our idea of switching around update 5 and 4

[edgy hamlet]

indeed lol

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but does it mean should they not be added either?

[edgy hamlet]

@north onyx type here not in feedback

thats for...well.. feedback lol

[north onyx]

oops

my bad

https://tenor.com/view/derp-dinosaur-playing-mother-and-son-run-gif-5105417

[edgy hamlet]

[jaunty plover]

@shell quarry They planned on adding gore since evrima started

[white spruce]

how do mammals and birds "not fit"? Not only did both mammals and birds coexist with dinosaurs for a time, but the game takes place in the modern day. A modern animal is no more out of place than the widespread grass or the modern tree species that are scattered across the island. If anything, it would make less sense for there not to be any modern animals. Some species would have no trouble surviving alongside dinosaurs, especially since there is a human presence on the island.

[shell quarry]

i know that, but i think they should add it before update 4

hence why i added to it and said "this is further supporting an idea previously mentioned here suggesting update 5 be released before update 4"

[shell quarry]

@shadow stream i like you addition to what i suggested, but theres an issue i see. When you are in the elder stage, i do believe over time your stats begin getting worse. So theres not much reason to choose to keep your elder dino

[shadow stream]

hmmm maybe

[shell quarry]

so if your gonna go through your elder phase, you might as well just die from old age since your just gonna have a worse version of your non-elder self

i MAY be wrong about the debuffs during the elder phase

but i think you get better stats in the first half, then get the debuffs towards the end

[edgy hamlet]

@shell quarry You dont get into the Elder phase after growing 5 hours, you will have to survive probs twice as long to even get there, and then youll probs have 5 hours for an elder stego aswell. It isnt like oh im full adult now guess ill die in 2 hours lol, also the perks dont work with the one time youll have them all thing, perks arent something that makes you better and better, theyre meant to fit playstyles. A.e you like to be able to fight robust things, you get a lil more health and do a lil more dmg. BUT for that you will run out of stamina faster and might even be slower, soo you cant really have all perks, just sayin lol

[shell quarry]

mhm, but still. once you have all the perks you want, then its just a waste of a dino. also, the fact that you have to spend even MORE time on your dino means that you most strongly may be against dying, bringing up the suggestion ben made

[edgy hamlet]

yeah, but look, if you'd have a rex running around since 25 hours without dying that would uh be kinda annoying since its probs killing smaller apexes on the island 24/7 and the devs dont want that to happen (one big apex player who knows what hes doing and literally doesnt die) so i guess the elder thing makes sense. But as they said in the roadmap youll only reach the elder stage through a certain diet so it probably already is optional

[strange wave]

certain perks, diet, life style, elder is very optional, you gain a spike in power then it slowly wears off until you're weaker than a normal adult, at that point you either go to sleep, die, and get a perk, or if you just get murdered you get to choose a new character

[shell quarry]

it would be VERY infuriating for me to spend 5 hours on something, just for it to be gaurenteed to die. i do think we should be FORCED to enter the elder stage, but i still stand by the idea of choosing whether or not we die of old age and whether or not we continue playing as our debuffed elder dino

[edgy hamlet]

yeah, the option is already there

[shell quarry]

alr

so i guess bens idea doesnt really work out too well

[edgy hamlet]

yeah i get that but im just sayin after probs atleast 20 hours of playing the same dino it would uh be alright lol

[strange wave]

no, forcing the elder stage is bad, if you choose to become an elder you are wishing to die for a sweet perk, people shouldnt be forced into dying because they are better at survival

[edgy hamlet]

yeah it was just an example not a thing i'd want

[shell quarry]

no, thats not what im saying. im saying being forced into the elder stage, but choosing whether or not you die. lets say i get a rex full grown. i must enter the elder stage, where i get my buffs, but begin getting my debuffs since im now old. i can now choose if i want to continue playing as this elder, weaker version of my rex, or if i want to die from old age and gain a perk

[strange wave]

why should people be punished for being able to survive for long periods of time?

[shell quarry]

thats a good point, but then if we dont debuff them after getting really old, then theres a higher chance that they reign havoc for 25 hours, leading to the senario mentioned by bubbles. so now we have the issue of: if we dont give them debuffs after a long time and getting old, it would result in a bad scenario mentioned by buubles, but if we do, it would be like punishing the player for surviving for so long.

[strange wave]

then just dont force them into being elders, problem solved

[shell quarry]

but then that gaurentees the rex running around for 25 hours without dying

since he never enters the elder stage

[strange wave]

no it doesnt

if the rex is the normal power as all the other rexes, then it can still die

if it becomes a buffed elder, then its stupidly strong, if its a normal elder, then you're punishing the player for being good a surviving

[shell quarry]

aaah you dont understand what im trying to say

oh well forget it

[strange wave]

no, i completely understand, you want other people to be punished for being able to keep their animals alive, this entire dicussion is pointless because elders are confirmed to be optional

[shell quarry]

well now that you say that, you completly dont understand what im trying to say. so wtvr

[safe galleon]

@austere hound what problem with carno do you have?

[edgy hamlet]

yeah you might have to explain

[modern stone]

ew anthomnia opinion

[valid zephyr]

I defo think you should have the option to remain as adult and not die.

Or choose to prog to elder for the temporary power boost before dying of old age and gaining the perk.

[austere hound]

Mostly the turning and broadcast. The turning feels very..off and the broadcast no offence sounds like the legacy's carno but..I don't want to say grosser but that's the only word that I can think of. Anthomnia went into more detail about it in his video "Blinding People As The Hypsilophodon In The New Major Isle Update- The Isle EVRIMA Update 2"

[edgy hamlet]

i agree that the carno needs to be less agile

[modern stone]

the broadcast is fine, the mobility is like

too good

but that's about it

also ew anthomnia opinion x2

[edgy hamlet]

the clickbait master

[modern stone]

anthomnia is like

spedboxing

[edgy hamlet]

he called the bug with the utah a new type H utah on the title

[modern stone]

he's literally a propaganda machine and clickbait tard

[austere hound]

He said Type-H Like

[modern stone]

like an idiot

but I don't know what else you expect from anth anyway

he just clickbaits for more views

[austere hound]

Idk about that one.

[edgy hamlet]

Nyctatyrannus

[modern stone]

N(ever coming)yctatyrannus

jk, he makes so much money off his dumbass server he can probably pay someone to do it for him

[edgy hamlet]

I swear the nycta patreon i cant lmao

[modern stone]

$10 for a sandbox dinosaur

[edgy hamlet]

100 dollar for 4 dino growths in a month pffff

[modern stone]

ikr

shit is wack

[edgy hamlet]

like wot

[modern stone]

severely overpriced garbage

[edgy hamlet]

oh and you dont only get growths, you help the creation of nyctatyrannus

thats literally whats written there

[modern stone]

didn't they already finish that shit

[edgy hamlet]

nope never heard of it again

guess they cant even do that for people giving their money for that lmao

[modern stone]

yeah

they just going to use it as an excuse to make more money

[austere hound]

I feel the high prices are because other server owners have higher paying jobs. Anth is a YouTuber witch means he doesn't get much. nyctatyrannus probs delayed because of Evrima being a thing now.

[edgy hamlet]

The Nyctatyrannus stopped before hope even was out

[modern stone]

omg an anth sympathizer

[barren zephyr]

Strains more like meh

[austere hound]

I mean did Nyctatyrannus stop when Evrima was announced?

[barren zephyr]

Probably.

[edgy hamlet]

well yeah lol

but if they'd somehow be working on it they should share information lol

[austere hound]

Well there you go. They stopped to wait for Evrima to have a good groundwork.

[edgy hamlet]

they can make a dinosaur while a game is made aswell lol

[worn pumice]

uhhh whos supporting anths clickbait?

[barren zephyr]

Evrima is more or less rebuilding the game from scratch.

Legacy's coding is a mess

[edgy hamlet]

the squid guy lol

[worn pumice]

br e h

[edgy hamlet]

well despite all that do you disagree on anth clickbaiting?

[barren zephyr]

Hence, Evrima tales priority over a purple rex thingy with sail flap thingies

[barren zephyr]

I'm not an anth viewer

[worn pumice]

100$ for a donation and only 4 monthly grows

thats pretty scammy

[barren zephyr]

And I do not support clickbait either.

[edgy hamlet]

nah totally not

[austere hound]

I just dont see it as clickbait I see it as reading the title wrong.

[worn pumice]

[edgy hamlet]

Anth probs accidentally types it wrong lmao

[worn pumice]

[barren zephyr]

Well if the title is misleading, then it is clickbait

[worn pumice]

aint no way someone is supporting clickbait wth

[edgy hamlet]

welcome to the madness

[worn pumice]

🐧

[austere hound]

"The BIGGEST EVRIMA Reveal Ever.. Type H Evolution! - The Isle - New Elder Dinos & Titanoboa Gameplay" Thats one of his titles. Im reading it as There is a big reveal of how Type H evolution works, a look at Elder dinos and Titanoboa gameplay. What the Hell are you seeing?

[worn pumice]

bruh

"New elder dinos and titanaboa gameplay" the gameplay is a rope flinging around and glitching for a bit and elders dont have any gameplay

[edgy hamlet]

there wasnt even any elder lmao

[worn pumice]

smh

stop supporting click bait

[barren zephyr]

Exactly

[austere hound]

Im not supporting clickbait Im supporting Anth from whatever you people are doing

[edgy hamlet]

well and anth is supporting clickbait UHH

[worn pumice]

u told us were reading the titles wrong wtf

[barren zephyr]

Well don't support Anth, he's a git

[arctic nimbus]

There's nothing wrong with having similar opinions to a YouTuber
but saying anth doesn't clickbait is a pure joke

[worn pumice]

its so sad too i used to like his content a long time ago

rip

[barren zephyr]

He's an idiot when it comes to actually knowing about dinosaurs in general (ironic for someone who plays dinosaur games a lot) and his content is just trash as of now.

[worn pumice]

fr

[arctic nimbus]

I loved his content back in 2016-18 when he did actual good progression videos before I even had this game. But now...

[worn pumice]

😔

[austere hound]

I still like him but I do agree his content has really gone down from 2018

[barren zephyr]

Well why support him if he's going down in terms of quality?

[worn pumice]

yea hes not getting better

[austere hound]

Cuz hes still one of those youtubers I watch only for the isle videos and not the other videos before bed

[worn pumice]

his content is low key just him screaming

[edgy hamlet]

and clickbaiting

[worn pumice]

[arctic nimbus]

its fine if a person wants to support another content creator, even if it is anth. But I think a lot of people can agree that the clickbaiting needs to stop

its actually scummy

[edgy hamlet]

indeed

[worn pumice]

it rly is

[austere hound]

Im looking at just his titles alone and yea

[valid zephyr]

Why am I unable to upvote the allo suggestion?

I try to click upvte and the screen shakes the the reaction is removed

[jovial sleet]

try again...i had u blocked and didnt realize it tbh

[modern stone]

same

mans really did just block everyone

[dapper pulsar]

Pachy goat

Knock larger predators off of cliff

Also dragging bodies up trees as a defense would be cool.

But anything that does that would be at the mercy of Herreras.

[earnest perch]

Stego dont need to walk or tror while using the tail.

Head is weakpoint you say, tried planting your head in a tree or wall i say.

There are plenty of tree's on the map to cover the spot the tail dont reach and it works against Carnos and Utah packs.

We dont need it to make it impossible to land a hit without taking a hot that pretty much 1 shots you...well except for Carnos but i doubt they are willing to jump in after taking a huge hit.

Also people have just digged there claws into playing the stego...give it more time and people will learn to play better.

[valid zephyr]

People want the walking tail swipe more for when huge carnis like rex arrive. Stegos best bet would be to walk away attempting to disengage while swinging its tail.

[earnest perch]

Pretty sure i have heard somewhere a T-rex and other large carnis are able to grapple around the neck and when stamina was depleted, the dino is dead.

Either way i doubt a stego will survive any large carnis and having the stego able to walk while using its tail, would make it pretty much impossible for dinos such as Allo to kill it

[cyan flame]

Allo pairs/packs would do fine. And if the stego can't survive any large carnis, then we have an issue. But maybe it can outrun them or something. But the stego could use a "walking retreat" deterrent attack.

[valid zephyr]

Solo allos aren't meant to kill an adult stego. One should distract the tail while another goes for the head.

How do you expect stego to survive once rex and giga are in if it can't fight them or even disengage? It's a giant walking billboard so can't hide, and is probably one of the worst dinos for running away ever.

[dire ridge]

Herds ? I mean certain species will be doomed if play alone and i don't see the problem with that

[valid zephyr]

No playable should only be viable in groups. That just ends up making them even less popular and therefore even harder to find groups.

What is no one else is playing one? What if the more powerful animal they're expected to group against also has a group?

People kept saying para was meant to herd as a defence against allo, but the only result was it would be 12 allos vs 2 paras.

[dire ridge]

That's sad, but if people don't want to play an herd base herbivore, buff it to be able to 1v1 is (imo) a little dumb. But its a video games so that could be a solution...

[earnest perch]

Herbs are ment to be in a herd. They are never ment to solo.
And too strong herbs will just end up that they are chasing the carnis down...just like in the old days. Carnis want a herb to get away from the herd to kill it

People also forgetting the game has pack limits so probably 4 Allos 3 rexes etc.

[dire ridge]

In legacy, herb who where too strong where roaming the map, kos every carnis

[valid zephyr]

You're forgetting carnis are much more popular. If you make the more popular animal also more powerful, and the less popular one need a larger group, it just doesn't work.

[cyan flame]

Nothing should be ment to be in a herd, because everything else can also pack up. It's not a good argument. And you shouldn't fuck over solo players like that. Not to mention that 3 rexes is very much one too many anyway, and two would still easily kill a solo stego. But a few allos vs a stego seems okay.

[valid zephyr]

Legacy officials ended up like 90 carnis and 10 herbis.

[cyan flame]

And yeah, people will roam and kill, as anything, it's hardly exclusive to herbis.

[valid zephyr]

EU-1 was often 30 or more rexes on at once on the server.

[earnest perch]

Again as a Stego...plant the head in something and your tail cover the rest

[dire ridge]

And the 90 carnis ending up fighting each other because herb where retardly strong

[valid zephyr]

If you want herbis to not run down and kill carnis there are other methods of preventing it, such as rear facing attacks and poor frontal attacks.

Legacy herbis are not strong. They're a joke.

Rex could outrun and out facetank trike.

maia was the only op herbi in legacy.

[earnest perch]

Back in the days herbs hunted down carnis such as rex, giga and spino like they are nothing

[dire ridge]

Yup

[valid zephyr]

you're thinking of progression which had no balance at all.

[cyan flame]

Would be shant, and well, shant was always a problem child, like some other carnis. :p

[valid zephyr]

that was a long time ago. all herbis could herd together and group chat then as well

[cyan flame]

And what will you do when they wait you out Phoenix, you know they could just wait for you to move.

[earnest perch]

Enough forest to walk trough

[cyan flame]

Not sure why stego having a retreat attack is an issue, you don't want to attack from the rear anyway, it would just allow it to move away and still be able to react a little.

[valid zephyr]

If you make herbis require a herd to be useful, people will just end up not playing herbis. They will essentially become AI animals.

[cyan flame]

Could easily be a weaker attack anyway, more as a deterrent perhaps

[dire ridge]

If they don't want to play such creature, then they will have to play something else

[valid zephyr]

Stego imo should not be able to offensivly kill a rex, as it would need to expose its face and then turn around in order to fight. In that time the rex would take its head off.

But it should be able to walk away swinging its tail in order to discourage the rex from getting close.

[dire ridge]

Im ok with buffing and nerfing, but with a limit

[valid zephyr]

Irl the largest most powrful animals in the ecosystem are herbivores. They're not fodder.

[dire ridge]

I agree

But not all herbivore

And they prefere to be in herd for a reason

[valid zephyr]

I'm fine with things like hadrosaurs being weaker as they can flee.

but if you make the slow herbis weak, they can't flee either.

[cyan flame]

Plenty of herbis that are runners, and not fighters

And well, everything can prefer to be in a group, it's always good, for pretty much any playable

[earnest perch]

Stegos tail is very very strong

[valid zephyr]

para, maia, galli, most of the smalls. they all prefer to run.

[crude ingot]

tbh there should be at least one aggro-ish herb that will go after carnis, like hippos

[dire ridge]

Herbis slow and weak go in a herd but some not so much are herd base to, so they ability to fight should have a certain limit. That's all

[crude ingot]

hippos kill more people per year than lions

[valid zephyr]

hopefully hadrosaurs get the stupid powerful frontal attacks removed and replaced with back kicks or tail swipes.

it has always been the hadrosaurs which are the issue.

[cyan flame]

Shant and maia! :p

[valid zephyr]

shant, maia, para, galli. the problem children.

still got no idea why the solution to legacy para was make it unable to flee but able to facetank like everything.

makes no sense

[dire ridge]

Yeah

[earnest perch]

But the Stego..
You can stil walk away from danger and attack.

[full torrent]

Stego requires patience to kill currently, and they are normally in huge groups. Alone they can be easyISH prey for a group, heavy emphasis on ish. That tail hurts yo. I 100% agree it should have a simple backwards slap, kind of like how tenonto bucks.

[dire ridge]

I don't have problem with that, i agree

[cyan flame]

Eh, depends on what you hunt it as. Carno have some issue, utahs have it pretty easy.

[valid zephyr]

4 well coordinated utahs can kill a stego in seconds.

[dire ridge]

The pounce need some tweak and the utah bite attack speed is retardly slow, making the utah heavily relaying on pounce

[full torrent]

Yes but they have to be well coordinated and they have to land the pounce. Ive seen dozens of times where they mess it up.

But utah, it is easier to hunt stegos.

[valid zephyr]

I mean utahs should struggle killing it. One of the smallest weakest carnis vs one of the largest strongest herbis.

[full torrent]

Ive seen many pounce attempts become a christmas gift hood ornament.

[valid zephyr]

Wonder how vulnerable a deino will be to utahs if it’s caught too far from water.

[full torrent]

Im assuming its bite will 1 shot a utah considering its damage potential, and its turn seems pretty gross at how good it is.

[cyan flame]

Wonder how stego/deino would be

[full torrent]

I know deino is going to just absolutely cheese anything that enters the water. Stego is helpless while crossing, and carno has to paddle like a chiuahaha to get across.

[valid zephyr]

Hopefully in water ez deino win. Out of water the stego can walk off blocking deino with its tail.

[full torrent]

Anytime a stego enters water its screwing itself. As a carno you can get a running headstart and as long as you match the stegos speed in the water, it literally cant attack outside of that mediocre bite, you can cheese stego as really anything in the water.

It almost feels like it shouldnt be allowed its so damn strong

[valid zephyr]

Yeah stego is helpless in the water. As it should be really.

[full torrent]

My current interest is how effective pteranadon can deal with corpses outside of scavenging, im wondering what the size limit is on things it can bully.

Im also interested to see what damage/bleed looks like on pteras end.

It seems like if you bite them once they are literally screwed with bleed

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr I completely agree, I think more made-up freak animals (like cannibals) would really benefit the game. I would love that pterosaur-vulture hybrid in the game.

[edgy hamlet]

@kindred flare Dont think this was intentional, probs is a bug

[kindred flare]

could be

[dark bronze]

If you're small enough, you don't need to wallow bodies. If you turn it into chunks, it cannot be smelt

[sonic cloud]

@thorny lynx it’s not going to happen

As cool as it would be

[thorny lynx]

Dynamic growth was not supposed to happen, but it did anyway

[sonic cloud]

Carry on then

[thorny lynx]

I'm sure with the locational damage mechanic and basic bite scar textures applied over a general area something had been bitten, devs can make something work.

In fact, this system already exists. Footprints. A dino takes a step, a footprint appears at a precise location the foot lands, maybe a few centimeters or so off. Who is to say a dinosaur cannot cause that same effect on another dinosaur when a certain body part, say, teeth/claws, hits a body part?

I do not know how to code, but the concept is very similar and I am positive it can be executed, even if thr markings are not very unique in appearance.

[kindred flare]

@hushed shadow whilst i like the suggestion i think having them light enough to not be attacked is basically free growth, maybe they can scramble up a tree to avoid big predators but are at risk of attack from things like herras, that way it isnt a free shot to adult for certain dinos

[hushed shadow]

no, not at all what i had in mind. i'd much rather have herreras and other arboreal dinos have the ability to knock those branches down while taking a tiny amount of fall damage for a trade-in, and having to scramble themselves up from the ground, then pursuing the juvies further

in the end, it is juvies

if it was another juvie, they could very well just get up on the branch too and hunt em that way

@kindred flare

and them getting up on branches wouldn't hold out forever either, since utahs etc. aren't made to be arboreal so maybe the twigs would snap after a bit

[kindred flare]

maybe, but a juvies main threat should be bigger creatures, not other juvies

[hushed shadow]

yes, and it will be, by giving other dinos the ability to knock down the branches

if you can reach the branches from ground-level, as a carno let's say, you can just bite em

[kindred flare]

that would still end up being a free growth, depending on how much damage you hope to make the landing, half the time it wouldnt be worth the damage for 1 tiny raptor

[hushed shadow]

we're talking the tiniest amount of fall damage

it wont take them to any major screen

just something to show that they actually did fall, and actually did hit the ground

in a forceful way

maybe you could incorporate skill and if you get it right you'd also land on your feet

[kindred flare]

possibly

[civic sparrow]

@shell quarry I’m pretty sure becoming an elder is optional

[kindred flare]

i dont think elder is optional, i think living past elder is though

[hushed shadow]

well, elder is optional in the sense that it requires a specific way of living so if you don't wanna turn into one, just don't get the right diet

[kindred flare]

true

[civic sparrow]

Someone has been typing in feedback for like 30 minutes they must be writing a whole ass book O-o

[dense wagon]

i hate typos

[civic sparrow]

Not you tho

The other guy

[hushed shadow]

xenones about to drop a lexicon

[civic sparrow]

Lmfaoooo

I’m so tired but I can’t sleep until I know what he’s got to say

[hushed shadow]

same its like 6am but now im hooked

[civic sparrow]

Noooo he stopped typing

Oh shit he’s back

I timed it, he was typing at 10:00 and now it’s 10:43 and he’s still typing

[brave rampart]

@dense wagon I was told by punch a while ago that the animation improvements would surely be implemented into update 3 if not in 2.

[dense wagon]

oh whew that's reassuring, thanks for letting me know

[summer forge]

@quasi violet I just woke up and honestly I thought the picture with the diictodon you sent in its den was just one big worm

that's it

really love your idea though!!

[dapper pulsar]

2 big examples my chimp brain thought of were Rex, Shant, and Spino, Deinocheirus. The herbivores should be more powerful than their carnivorous counterparts on average, which isn't reflected in the Carno example, but I just had to get this out of my head before I sever a connection.

[quasi violet]

I wanted to give the devs some idea on both the burrow and the creature and didnt havr anything better, if they make the creature to be about the size of a dryo and make it carni/omni, I'd play it all the time XD

[summer forge]

yeah got it lol

[sonic cloud]

Deinocheirus weighs 6-7 tonnes. Spino weighs 7-8. On top of that our spino is a fictional monster, theres no way its a weaker animal

[ebon crypt]

Also

[barren zephyr]

@dire ridge My suggestion involves replacing the hunger/stamina bars.

Can you not read

[dapper pulsar]

Deino arms>Spino arms. If we can turn a Spinosaurus into that thing then we can scale up Deino or exaggerate the power behind it's swings.

[ebon crypt]

[dapper pulsar]

What?

[ebon crypt]

"Deino arms>Spino arms"

[dapper pulsar]

Deinocheirus is the arm dino.

Arms are it's thing.

[ebon crypt]

Oh right, deinocheirus, not deinosuchus. Aight, mu bad. Too many deinos man

[dapper pulsar]

Arms were found before we got everything else.

[valid zephyr]

We've not got any described arms for spino, but it's pretty likley that deinocheirus had larger arms.

[dapper pulsar]

I've been playing you like a fiddle, dragon.

[valid zephyr]

wait yeah deinosuchus is not a clawing dino lol.

[ebon crypt]

I was like "A crocodilian having more dangerous and stronger claws/arms than a spino? The fuck?"

[valid zephyr]

Keep in mind isle spino has probrably had its arms beefed up and fictionalised to be stronger.

[dapper pulsar]

Ducc beats both.

Ducc picks up short legged crocodile and Ducc punches long legged crocodile.

In the ideal would Ducc could also be Spino.

[sonic cloud]

?

[ebon crypt]

Cheirus would be pretty sick though, ngl

[sonic cloud]

You arent making sense at all

[valid zephyr]

isle spino would probrably be larger and stronger. cheirus might be better off fleeing from it.

[dapper pulsar]

Punch.

[sonic cloud]

The isle spino looks like it could easily break 9 tonnes

[dapper pulsar]

Punch.

[sonic cloud]

You can say punch all you like it just makes you sound a bit thick

[valid zephyr]

I could picture cheirus putting allo in a headlock and drowning it like kangaroos do to dogs.

[dapper pulsar]

I'm just getting my argument out in the least words.

Currently 2.

Not counting everything before it.

[valid zephyr]

why would cheirus punch when it has stupid massive claws?

[dapper pulsar]

To take advantage of Spinos one weakness.

Getting fucking punched.

[sonic cloud]

Considering you seem to be the only one in favour of “punch” you aren’t actually doing a good job making a good argument

Im pretty sure spinosaurus can also punch if you believe a deinocheirus can punch

[dapper pulsar]

Deino has better range.

Punch.

That's 17 now.

You've de-simplified my argument.

[valid zephyr]

Spinos arms for comparison. Take with a mountain of salt as they're undescribed.

[dapper pulsar]

Horrible Hand.

[valid zephyr]

Cheirus would defo be more effective with its claws.

[sonic cloud]

Thats irrelevant when our spinosaurus isnt based on the real thing

[valid zephyr]

true

[dapper pulsar]

Chair can be effective no matter how it uses it's hands.

[valid zephyr]

isle spino has really beefed up arms and claws.

[dapper pulsar]

It's the Horrible Hand for a reason.

Punch.

[valid zephyr]

punching is a legit stupid idea. it's crippling itself by refusing to use its claws

[dapper pulsar]

Or, for smaller things, swipe.

Or if it's just one smaller thing

Grab.

[ebon crypt]

Could cheirus even perform a motion that could be classified as punch?

[sonic cloud]

No

[dapper pulsar]

If grab don't work, then shatter.

Chair could take it.

[sonic cloud]

You seem disconnected from reality

[dapper pulsar]

Look at that tiny little face, grab.

Grab.

Grab.

Crush.

Maybe not with bare hands, but you've got it in your hands at that point.

End it.

I mean yeah, if we're talking reality then there is not fucking way Deino would stand up to anything above Sucho.

It's just not the type of animal they'd allow power.

[valid zephyr]

[dapper pulsar]

Also, there's not much outdated shit on it.

It's not really a "The Isle" animal.

Outdated shit after we found more than just the arms that is.

[valid zephyr]

I could picture cheirus getting a slash, a grapple, and a 'weak peck' (as weak as anything that size would be)

[ebon crypt]

Mirror, we got troodon when iirc all we have of troodon is a fucking tooth.

[valid zephyr]

didn't troodon get split into several species?

[dapper pulsar]

Troodon's famous.

Also like, I don't think it's real at this point-

[valid zephyr]

the isle calling it 'troodon' basically gives them licence to do what they want.

[sonic cloud]

It seems like all animals will have a bite attack regardless of their most powerful weapon being the jaws or not

See stego as an an example

[valid zephyr]

stego bite.... shudders

[sonic cloud]

So I imagine deinocheirus will follow suit

Bite or a peck is guaranteed imo

[valid zephyr]

cheirus at least has a decent length neck and beak.

[sonic cloud]

Yeah I imagine with being how large it is it can probably crush anything around the size of a utah/pachy

[dapper pulsar]

I'm looking at MESOZOICA's Deinocheirus and it's awful.

[sonic cloud]

Look at PK’s deinocheirus for a better representation

[dapper pulsar]

I can't put it into words.

I've seen good Deinocheirus.

[valid zephyr]

PK deinocheirus is amazing.

[dapper pulsar]

Are you kidding me?

PK's animals are all amazing.

[sonic cloud]

Digital duck also has a really good one

[dapper pulsar]

God I love that game so much.

[ebon crypt]

Floof

[dapper pulsar]

Digital Duck's really good.

[dapper pulsar]

In general.

[sonic cloud]

He’s doing a new Rex which is hype

[valid zephyr]

Looks better built for running than spino. Then again isle spino with long legs...

[sonic cloud]

Still looks like deinocheirus would be faster

It’s an ornithomimid. Even if its obese by their standards it still probably kept many of the cursorial adaptations and on top of that it’s smaller than spino

Posted Digital Ducks new rex in offtopic btw

[dapper pulsar]

I want to see most of The Isle's carnivores get their shit rocked.

I don't know why.

[ebon crypt]

^ honestly, same here

[valid zephyr]

Best to have fair balancing for the playables.

[ebon crypt]

There was time when herbivores were piss easy in progression, then survival came along and everything started to lean more in the carnivore's favour

[dapper pulsar]

Herbivores should always be faster or stronger.

The strongest thing in the game should be a herbivore, probably with a strain.

Or at least a human with a rocket launcher or something. Maybe the Hyperendocrin Colossus.

[ebon crypt]

I don't know about always, but herbivores should have an upper hand when fighting a same tier carnivore. In a 1v1 situation that is

[dapper pulsar]

actually in general, there's room for gimmics but said gimmics has to supplement a lack of ability in either department.

Like blinding to escape.

Or starving out the predator population except Ceratosaurus.

That last one doesn't supplement either.

[valid zephyr]

Strain herbis are confirmed to not be happening.

[dapper pulsar]

What

That's dumb and lame and stupid.

[valid zephyr]

No they shouldn't. That's how you end up with the entire server just playing herbivore in massive deathherds.

We did that. It's called progression.

And it was awful and unbalanced.

[dapper pulsar]

If you're fighting something you're objectively better than, the hunting probably isn't fun. This isn't related to the strain part.

[ebon crypt]

It's not by a large margin, but if 2 new people were to fight (one herbi and 1 carni of the same tier) the herbivore should have a 60% chance of winning. Unless the carnivore is specifically meant to hunt same tier herbivores

[valid zephyr]

Irl carnivores take on herbis their own size just fine. Herbis are the most powerful creatures in the ecosystem, but due to size.

e.g. things like brachi, which are probrably not playables.

[sonic cloud]

Its the same the other way around though

[dapper pulsar]

Failing at balancing is not an excuse to fucking ignore an entire faction.

[sonic cloud]

Nor is it an excuse to make one faction super op

[dapper pulsar]

The strains apply perfectly well to herbivores, with the exception of Hyperendocrin, but you could tweak it so instead of hunger you drain a lot of stamina per attack.

Herbivore strains have been tackled by Tapwing, and the results make me want a Tissoplastic Theri.

Anky has the entire set.

[valid zephyr]

Herbis are easier to sustain than carnis. If you make herbis win 60% of the time they will be more popular as a result, and also outnumber carnivores. The result will be a mix of giant herbi killsquads and afk growing herds which nothing can touch.

[sonic cloud]

^

Yep

Anytime a particular animal becomes overpowered it gets abused

Apply that to an entire faction and you’ll end up with a disaster

[dapper pulsar]

Herbivores only win if Carnivores are stupid, which might cause a bit of a learning curve but it'd make it more fun. The herbivores that would most likely make up killsquads are the types that would presumably be difficult to grow to balance out their adult strength.

[ebon crypt]

Tbh the win chance is fully dependant on the predator and prey match up. Carno should not be hunting same tier herbivores, at least not alone, it's meant for small prey. Allo on the other hand is much more equipped for hunting same tier herbivores. It's just that herbivores that aren't runners are forced to engage, so they should be fully equipped and capable of defending themselves

[sonic cloud]

Until they get protected by the mixed herds and adults

It would be much better to try and actually balance animals properly rather than make one faction overpowered. The ai can be used to bulk up the herbivore population and give the game a proper ecosystem, that is the whole point of ai after all

[ebon crypt]

When I said that before, I didn't mean all herbivores. I just frazed it wrong. Obviously gallis should not be running around destroying utahs or something like that

[dapper pulsar]

What do you think I want from herbivores?

[sonic cloud]

Herbivores should always be faster or stronger.
I want to see most of The Isle's carnivores get their shit rocked.
The strongest thing in the game should be a herbivore, probably with a strain.
I want to see most of The Isle's carnivores get their shit rocked.
@dapper pulsar

[dapper pulsar]

That last bit is unrelated.

[sonic cloud]

Overpowered herbivores

[dapper pulsar]

I just hate them.

[sonic cloud]

Its pretty related

[dapper pulsar]

Design wise.

I want to punch Carno.

Carno's not design

[ebon crypt]

Whether you like the design or not, we're talking about balance rn

[dapper pulsar]

It's just Carno.

[wild stone]

Balance discussion belongs in #balance-feedback-discussion

[dapper pulsar]

I put my rebuttal there.

Punch.

Anyway Deinocheirus is Spino's equivalent creature because they're both semi-aquatic, scary, and weird.

[sonic cloud]

Don’t think so

Pretty sure spinosaurus is much larger than deinocheirus

[dapper pulsar]

They're pretty weird.

Ato, honey, we can scale up Deino a bit, or give it's arms more power than they should realistically have.

[sonic cloud]

Why though? Beyond “I want my favourite to be stronger than it needs to be”

[valid zephyr]

irl spino is only a couple of tons heavier, but wouldn't be suprised if isle spino is way heavier

[sonic cloud]

It definitely is

Far bulkier

[dapper pulsar]

I'd prefer Deino to be stronger than Spino. It could be faster, but I'd prefer it this way.

[sonic cloud]

Cool

Why

[valid zephyr]

easier to say cheirus than deino, as deino is already a differnet animal competing with spino.

[dapper pulsar]

Spite, mostly.

[valid zephyr]

spite is not a way to balnce.

[dapper pulsar]

I'm gonna go back to calling it Chair.

[valid zephyr]

it's how you make an unbalanced game generating more spiteful people.

[sonic cloud]

Yeah and that’s why you shouldn’t be making suggestions mate

[dapper pulsar]

Yeah, but, spite's the reason I want it balanced a certain way.

[sonic cloud]

Yeah we know

[dapper pulsar]

I don't want it unbalanced because of spite.

[sonic cloud]

It kind of invalidates your opinion on the matter

[dapper pulsar]

I'd rather it be more focused on strength than speed.

[valid zephyr]

It's a slightly smaller animal with a better build for running than isle spino.

[dapper pulsar]

It's more fight than flight in my eyes.

[valid zephyr]

it can still be focused on strength without beating everything in the game.

[sonic cloud]

Then what on earth is spino?

[dapper pulsar]

An abomination.

[valid zephyr]

deinocheirus could flee spino while still fighting acro on even terms, and murdering allo and sucho.

[dapper pulsar]

Wait what the fuck. I don't think my bias against Spino invalidates my opinions. Eh, yeah, I'd be semi-fine with that.

[sonic cloud]

I mean it does

[valid zephyr]

I'm fine with isle spino as it was made before the modern spino discoveries. The newt tail wasn't known, and the short legs were disputed still.

[sonic cloud]

If your just spiteful you really have nothing to offer to the conversation

[dapper pulsar]

Please rephrase that.

[sonic cloud]

Why?

[dapper pulsar]

Everyone has biases, I just admitted mine as an explanation to why I'd prefer a slower, stronger Deinocheirus rather than a faster, weaker one.

[valid zephyr]

You can have a strong animal without it being the strongest thing around.

[sonic cloud]

^

Suchomimus is a pretty tough animal

Doesn’t mean its meant to fight a rex or a trike

[dapper pulsar]

I'm looking for tougher.

[sonic cloud]

Look for a new animal then

[dapper pulsar]

It fits into my idea for Deinocheirus.

Why?

[sonic cloud]

I mean I want allo to beat the shit out of suchomimus, t rex and giga.

“Better have the devs overbuff my personal favourite animal so that it fits my idea of what the animal should be rather than what the animal actually is”

[valid zephyr]

If you want even more powerful herbis, there is stego, trike, shant, cama, and brachi

[sonic cloud]

Just means you should be playing something like shantungosaurus or triceratops

Or just accept deinocheirus for what it is

[dapper pulsar]

Those don't fit my idea.

I'll put my idea into suggestions eventually.

This game is not reality.

It's 3 AM where I am so I'm gonna be speaking a lot of cringe but

It's ok to fictionalize animals in a game where it's planned to have you jump into giant plants to gain super powers.

Or was

I don't know how you're planned to become a strain anymore.

I'm going to bed.

[sonic cloud]

Why are fictionalising an animal that doesn’t need to be fictionalised to survive or frankly, thrive in this game?

Animals like Utahraptor, Ankylosaurus and Spinosaurus have been fictionalised because they would not be able to survive in this game otherwise, at least in Dondi’s opinion

[thorny crag]

Dying as elder is optional anyways. Just don't fall asleep to die, jump off a cliff if u don't care @shell quarry

Idk why someone would not take the perk anyways its cool

[safe galleon]

@barren zephyr not the right channel to ask that

you be spino by being injected by an admin, being nested by someone who already is spino or playing on sandbox

[barren zephyr]

Ankylosaurus looks like crap

[safe galleon]

your opinion

[barren zephyr]

And why doesn't the dev team have a paleontological advisor

[lilac swallow]

It looks like crap

[safe galleon]

cause they're not going for accuracy???

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but to still remain grounded within reality

[safe galleon]

why?

we have giant mosnters like hypos

and borderline magical things like neuros

[lilac swallow]

Let Monster desygn to strains, let vanilla dinos be vanilla

[barren zephyr]

Not a paleontological advisor to make stuff accurate to the fossil record, but a paleontological advisor to actually make stuff accurate to animal biology in general.

[safe galleon]

what's the problem with having regular dinos get an interesting design?

[lilac swallow]

Rhino anky could have legit be the first herbi strain

Because they are not interesting

[safe galleon]

herbis aren't getting strains

[barren zephyr]

I'm talking about stuff such as proportions, biomechanics, behaviour, etc

[lilac swallow]

Its just a rhino with a club tail

[safe galleon]

what's not interesting with that?

[lilac swallow]

Legit everything

[safe galleon]

like?

[lilac swallow]

Its shit tier jw hybrids like stegoceratops

Its not a modified anky, its an anky and a rhino mixed together

[barren zephyr]

Well I'm fine with speculative features, but they have to be in the bounds of what is possible among dinosaurs in general.

[lilac swallow]

As i said, we have monsterified variants of dinos, so let the monsterified desygn to these

Like Teno is cool, its a modified Teno, not a Teno fused with a random mammal

[safe galleon]

but not all dinos will get strains, so what's the problem with giving the normal dinos that design?

[lilac swallow]

Because they are not them anymore

[safe galleon]

well tenonto is kinda an llama/kangaroo

[barren zephyr]

I know the dinosaurs are engineered

[lilac swallow]

Is not literally a kangaroo with tenonto as a name

[safe galleon]

same as anky, anky just has rhino-like plates

[lilac swallow]

Tenonto and hypsi, is how you maje interesting not necesarily accurate desygn, anky and austro is just mixing 2 things together and hoping It works

[barren zephyr]

Ok so I'm assuming I'm not involved in this conversation at all as of now.

[lilac swallow]

And rhino like legs, and rhino like spine

[barren zephyr]

Why bother turning an ankylosaur into a rhinoceros

[safe galleon]

the spine/dip in the back is just the plates making it look like it's dipping

[lilac swallow]

No

[barren zephyr]

It makes it look stupid.

[lilac swallow]

The back is legit folded

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr you don't, that is if you're on evrima. If you're on legacy, then it's only available on Sandbox mode I'm pretty sure.

[lilac swallow]

Exactly, people that didnt like anky probably Will not like rhino anky neither, and people that did like anky likes ankylosarus not ankyrhinoceros

[barren zephyr]

Frankly enough, why even bother with Ankylosaurus

If you want an ankylosaur with speed, as the devs wanted, why not have a polacanthus or sauropelta.

[safe galleon]

I hope this explains the anky back dilema

[lilac swallow]

We can also have slow playables, you know for variety, legit only 1/4 of dinos are slow

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[safe galleon]

have the devs said they wanted fast anky?

[lilac swallow]

I can also say the back is rounded if i put the line 1 whole meter under the skin

They did

[barren zephyr]

Yes, but a fast anky defeats the point of what it was in real life.

[mellow maple]

Ah yes the paleo talk.

I am here

Fill me in bois

[lilac swallow]

Fast Dino fans Will never play a faster anky

[safe galleon]

better?

[lilac swallow]

And slow Dino fans were fine with real anky

And slow Dino fans were fine with real anky

[safe galleon]

oh no wheat is here

[barren zephyr]

Well, guess we might as well be doomed.

[mellow maple]

Mhmm

[lilac swallow]

Just look at the osteoderms, they curve downwards in the middle, the back legit curves downwards

[barren zephyr]

Why does it have a back curve even

[safe galleon]

still, playing anky you would 100% never notice that dip

it's like 1 cm that you would never notice

[lilac swallow]

Is not 1 cm

[mellow maple]

Model, for comparison

[lilac swallow]

Not at all

[safe galleon]

I know it's not 1 cm I was just over explaining it

[lilac swallow]

Only way you cant notice It well is if you look from a lower angle like in that model image, and even then its noticeable

[safe galleon]

barely

[barren zephyr]

It's a noticeable curve.

Admit it.

[lilac swallow]

I dont want to sound rude, but maybe i have a better sight

[barren zephyr]

Anyway. Rhino anky looks like shite, and making a "pleasant" looking anky is somewhat hard-ish.

[safe galleon]

you'll be looking at anky from the back for most of your time playing it, are you sure you would notice it?

[lilac swallow]

Because i cant even convince myself It doesnt look like some fat dude sat on anky's back for too long

[safe galleon]

saurian did an amazing anky imo

and I would've been fine with another boring round back anky but isle anky is just so special that I love it

I like the more weird/ugly/creepy/freakish designs since at the end of the day the isle is supposed to be a survival horror game

it's kinda the reason I dont like hypsi, feels a bit too cute for the game

[lilac swallow]

Isle was supposed to be a horror Game 5 years ago, and except for Utah, every Dino was somewhat realistic until a year ago

[safe galleon]

isle is still a horror game

[lilac swallow]

You legit didnt understand what i said

[safe galleon]

no you make it sound like isle was supposed to be a horror game 5 years ago and now they've stopped making it a horror game

[lilac swallow]

You didnt need to fuck the anatomies to have a horror game

[safe galleon]

yeah they didn't, but they did

[lilac swallow]

Yeah i maybe forgot an "also"

[safe galleon]

and they, in my opinion, did a good job making a good design

at the end of the day it mostly comes down to opinions and I respect and understand why people don't like some of the design choices

[barren zephyr]

The Isle is now a mere survival/sci fi game.

[lilac swallow]

After 4 years of suporting a Game that we bought because It had really good kinda real Dino desygns, i think we are allowed to be at the very least dissapointed

[mellow maple]

I definitely have bones to pick with some of the recent designs.

[barren zephyr]

Now how do we implement the horror into it...

[mellow maple]

Sure, horror, but you don't have to break anatomy for it

[lilac swallow]

Horror was allways supposed to be only the human part

[mellow maple]

Make the animal too different then wtf is the point.

[safe galleon]

even if you dont like anky there's still other accurate designs, so now everyone are happy

you got the normal designs and you got the weirds

[mellow maple]

It undermines strains as well in the process.

[lilac swallow]

Austro's tail cant balance that head, the head+neck is fucking longer than the body

[lilac swallow]

This

[mellow maple]

if you want my opinion on it

[safe galleon]

if running around as a small dino in a world of giants isn't horror idk what is

[lilac swallow]

I wanted weird desygns on strains, they are strains for a reason

[mellow maple]

The issue for a good portion of the community and why there's such resentment for some of the designs is the fact it's being labeled as a base.

sure, they could do whatever they want I guess

but then whatever strains or something comes for said. It's not special anymore because it's already mutated af

[lilac swallow]

Stork austro could have legit been a tisso austro

[mellow maple]

Buutt that's my biased opinion. I can't speak for what the game will do.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Whatever design, eh. It'll please someone and disappoint someone

[still raptor]

Dinosaurs are dead, deal with it.

[safe galleon]

true

[mellow maple]

avians

[still raptor]

Non-Dinosaurs wheat

[lilac swallow]

There is a reason i love hyper spino but hate Monster"normal" spino, hyper spino IS the Monster not normal spino

[safe galleon]

no birds evolved from mammals what are you talking about

[still raptor]

@mellow maple you monster

[mellow maple]

Don't even get me started on him, I've been trying to forget about it so I don't go on tangents as much

[lilac swallow]

Sorry

[mellow maple]

Nah nah

you're good

I'm just saying lool

[still raptor]

Didn't you say that the hyper spino was the most accurate spino in the game?

[safe galleon]

oh yeha spino design is something I agree on, it's supposed to be a monster but just comes off as boring

[lilac swallow]

When?

[still raptor]

I'm talking to wheat

[mellow maple]

hyper spino cared about its proportions

New one, does not

and in doing is the most bland and out of place large theropod in the game

And here I go again

what's new LOOOL

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, funny enought, hyper spino has better proportions

[mellow maple]

No lie, if you tone down all of the spikes and armored skin. Hyper Spino is as close to a normal-ish spino we'll get.

[lilac swallow]

Normal spino is legit just a carcharodontid with a sail and a long tyrannosaurid head

[lilac swallow]

Exactly

[mellow maple]

It's better in some angles, and it does retain some spino features but it could very much be improved.

[barren zephyr]

Dinosaurs aren't dead. The non-avian ones are, but the avian dinosaurs (or birds) are very much so alive.

Anyway.

Some of TI's designs are somewhat crappy, since they follow tropes which originate from JP/JW

Spino and Utahraptor are obvious examples.

[solid wedge]

Pteras could probably peck a hatchling head and shatter something, or its back and sever its spinal cord

[civic sparrow]

@lavish wigeon devs said we will never be able to carry living things, idk why :C

[lilac swallow]

Griefing potential

Also living taxis

[barren zephyr]

Well a Pteranodon is meant to be a lightweight soaring thing, not a bird of prey

[lilac swallow]

Also ptera's feet are very human like, and idk you but i cant realiabily gran something other than a pencil with my feet

[barren zephyr]

It can't grab stuff with it's feet, nor can it grab anything more than half it's body weight.

At most, it might be able to bear the weight of a 5 year old human child, but nothing much bigger.

Considering how lightweight pterosaurs are, they'd be uncomfortable carrying heavy loads.

In terms of Ptera's lifestyle, I would compare it to a giant petrel

[keen vapor]

I think pteras should match the strength of a dryo

[barren zephyr]

It soars, and catches fish, but also has carrion forming a large part of it's diet

[keen vapor]

even though they were certainly a lot more lightweight it would be pretty balanced to have it weigh around 400 kg

[barren zephyr]

Ptera would probably be fairly frail

[keen vapor]

yes but i dont want it to be useless in combat. Now that there is no nesting or perks, if pteranadons cant fight they would prob be very booring to play once you explored the map

[lilac swallow]

Ptera is indeed dryo weights, real Life so in Game having same strenght makes sense

[keen vapor]

is it?

[lilac swallow]

Too bad, ptera is not a fighter, just a flying fisher

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[lilac swallow]

Yeah, both are around human weight, dryo a bit heavier ptera a bit lighter

[barren zephyr]

Pteranodon is just like that petrel

[keen vapor]

Dryo vs ptera should be a fair fight 1 on 1

i just dont want pt to only be a spectate mode dino lol

it would be funny to peck on a stego with 10 other pts

or any dino tbh

[barren zephyr]

It can take on things smaller than itself, like penguins, but it's likely to be driven off by their aggressive behaviour.

[white spruce]

no, dryo shouldn't be that weak compared to ptera. It should be slightly in the dryo's favor

[lilac swallow]

True

Dryo cant fly away

[keen vapor]

fair enough

[lilac swallow]

Ptera can allways choose not to fight the dryo

[keen vapor]

but it has very short grow and it should be at a slight advantage i guess

[white spruce]

reminder than dryo is no longer the smallest species in the roster. A sizable portion of the roster is smaller than ptera, it can still fight those

[lilac swallow]

Even troodon is smaller than ptera

[barren zephyr]

Yes

[keen vapor]

herbies dont actually have to kill their attacker they just gotta injurde them and chase them off

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[keen vapor]

i wana peck carnos with a pt gang

to annoy them

[white spruce]

ptera should play like a flying hypsi, imo

[keen vapor]

like hypsis but more hard to stop

hahah

[lilac swallow]

No, hypsi is way too small

Ptera is literally a flying dryo

[keen vapor]

he just said play like

[white spruce]

ptera should not play like dryo

[keen vapor]

like play to annoy the fuck out of people

[barren zephyr]

Petranodon is it's own thing

A fisher and a scavenger

[white spruce]

ptera may be similar in size, but dryo doesn't play like hypsi at all

I hope ptera's fishing is actually fun.

[lilac swallow]

But hypsi and dryo arent symilar in size

They are as symilar as allo-rex

[keen vapor]

yeah hopefully he can dive and scoop up a fish aswell as beeing able to dive for them

skydive-

[white spruce]

skimming for ptera just sounds boring, regardless of it being unrealistic. Pela is heavier than ptera and therefore can interact with more of the roster, let it get the boring fishing method.

diving for fish was the only somewhat enjoyable time I had in BoB. If The Isle had its own better system for dive fishing it would definitely be enough to make ptera for me.

[keen vapor]

wont you play pt for the favt that you can fly anywhere on the map at no time at all?

[white spruce]

no, that'll get boring quick

[keen vapor]

yea thats what im worried about

[white spruce]

it's not a bad thing. Ptera's gameplay shouldn't just be flying, I just think the fishing should be fun and challenging enough to make the playable worth it alone.

[keen vapor]

its flying mechanic is looking really good so far though. will probably be a lot of fun to fly with

i will prob fight other pts in the air, that sounds really cool

[white spruce]

I'm not sure that'll be possible

[keen vapor]

why not?

[white spruce]

ptera's supposed to be able to collide with playables so that they can't just fly through land creatures

you'll end up colliding with any pteras you're fighting. It'll be raining ptera

[keen vapor]

i mean you dont have to do a full on crash to hit them

they are very slim so you will probably just slide right over

[white spruce]

easier said than done

[keen vapor]

they should make it so you do

[white spruce]

No, I don't think ptera dogfights should be happening.

[barren zephyr]

Pteras should probably be able to resume flying upon midair collisions

[keen vapor]

yes

i will still attack others pts nothing will stop me from trying

[edgy hamlet]

This would make sense with bigger pterodactyls but ptera is just a flying piece of paper lol

[barren zephyr]

Quetz

I'd also like to see Tapejara as a small tree climbing omnivore

[edgy hamlet]

yeah would be nice and would give herra some competition but also things to hunt

[barren zephyr]

Tapejara is a prey item rather than a competitor

it's a bit like a magpie or crow tbh

[tepid gate]

Pelagornis isn't heavier than Ptera. This animal suffered of most of the issues commonly attributed to Pteranodon like slow take off and being not very maneuverable. Irl the highest estimates for Pelagornis put it at half the largest estimates for Pteranodon.

[barren zephyr]

ye pelagornis is smaller

It's pretty much like a large albatross

It mostly relies on soaring, and it needs a runup in order to take off

@naive axle do ya mean Piranha?

[edgy hamlet]

@naive axle uhh Deino is basically a piranha lol

they were confirmed to be able to smell things far away standing in/near the water so theyll come and snatch them

[naive axle]

Yes I meant a pirhana. Yeah true about that. But now can't the Deinosuchus now Just run in the water and be safe?

• but can't the Deinosuchus go Just in the water and be safe *

[dense wagon]

@naive axle why shouldn't deinosuchus be able to hide underwater? it's a crocodile, why do you want to nullify its main defense

[naive axle]

Hey I tried 😂

[dense wagon]

what do you mean

i'm asking you a question

[barren zephyr]

@dense wagon, @naive axle, Crocodilians aren't attacked by piranhas at all.

The fish only attack vulnerable animals. And in this case, Crocodilians, with their thick hide, are practically immune.

[naive axle]

Well I thought, maybe it's going to be too easy for him

[naive axle]

True

[dense wagon]

ken means if the animal is injured and bleeding

[naive axle]

Yes

[dense wagon]

they said that in their feedback
but it still does not make sense
since deino needs some way to escape from larger carnivores

piranhas are dangerous
swarms can absolutely destroy large animals, even a crocodile if they have an open wound

[versed zodiac]

um so what about my venomous dinos eating magy idea is flawed?

[dense wagon]

it just doesn't make sense since venomous animals are supposed to produce their own venom
venom =/= poison

also giving 3 different animals immunity to magy is kinda dumb

magy is already broken

[versed zodiac]

fair but i just want magy to have more preadators than cera that will eat it cause you know that magy bodies will be everywhere.

[dense wagon]

idk, corpse decay is pretty fast rn

[edgy hamlet]

also magys flesh isnt venomous, it tastes bad, thats what it says on the roadmap

[dense wagon]

everyone wants to make it poisonous because tasting bad isn't going to save its viability

[edgy hamlet]

also many things will hunt magy despite not being able to eat it, just for fun lol

[dense wagon]

which is why it needs to be poisonous

[edgy hamlet]

yeah but magy wont be immune to every carno through that, wouldnt make sense lol, also it wasnt confirmed to be poisonous

*carni

[versed zodiac]

also more natural preds for magy. because i have a feeling the devs will relize that magy poison will not stop kos so maybe they will make it poisonous to bite or some other loop hole to make magy viable. i have accepted magy will come to the game and kos will not be allowed on some servers. so more natural preds for magy imo sounds good.

[dense wagon]

i'm not saying it is confirmed, i'm saying it needs to be
because magy tasting bad won't help it at all

poison, realistically, would still inflict damage from being bitten

if you bite a magy you should get poisoned

[edgy hamlet]

yeah but well like i said it wouldnt make sense if cera was the only dino to hunt it in any way lol

magy would be the most op dino

[versed zodiac]

so i suggest venomous dino to be able to eat magy. maybe they still sufer minor side effects?

[edgy hamlet]

pretty sure a rex can take it down without dying from poison, magy will just have to watch out

[dense wagon]

there are other ways to regulate it besides giving it more natural predators
for example, making it required to eat certain plants to keep its poison levels up

more natural preds is dumb tbh

[mellow maple]

I'd say make the crest rounder tbh

[worn pumice]

well awhile ago the devs said not to worry about magy so im sure they'll do something

[versed zodiac]

also my suggestion is taking the image of the troodons attacking a magy by saying maybe troodons can eat magy. and if troodon might be able to why not dilo and mega.

[mellow maple]

And there's more to it than just muh accuracy-

Giga and to an extent...the other thing called spino, have pointed eyebrows

[dense wagon]

[mellow maple]

Rex could be the exception

[dense wagon]

we have to worry about magy

and also wheat what are you talking about

panzer's suggestion?

[mellow maple]

yea

[dense wagon]

ah ok

[mellow maple]

Here's Tyrannosaurus' face in the Isle

And the Saurian one

Literally thicker and more powerful

[edgy hamlet]

rex just should be looking more thicc and scary, rn its just "oh a rex." nothing more lol

[mellow maple]

What I'm getting here is that eyebrow should be less pointy

Otherwise, yeah, aight

Also maybe lips too

[versed zodiac]

i just dont want magy to be invincable to everything but cera. so i tried thinking of possible things that could eat magy. so i looked at the magy concept art and saw that troodon is seen attacking a magy. so maybe troodons could eat magy? i just took that idea and ran with it.

[edgy hamlet]

like i said i highly doubt that the devs will make magy immune to every predator except cera, it will just be harder to hunt them, not impossible

[versed zodiac]

i guess we will see.

[dense wagon]

magy shouldn't be immune to anything
it should just be discouraged to hunt it because of the side effects, be it through poison or be it through the taste

an allo could take down a magy

[edgy hamlet]

^

[dense wagon]

but it wont, because it doesn't want the side effects from killing it

[jovial sleet]

i like wheats suggestion...that other rex above it 😐 ....that edit throws me off..ngl

[mellow maple]

It was mainly to add on top of it

It either looks way too much like allosaur of sorts or maybe even albertosaurish

too pointy

[jovial sleet]

tbh i need a different angle or a different edit to it because i really was not feeling it

but the suggestion below it. i like that rex face a lot more than that edit tbh. i wouldnt mind the rex brows changing, even though I dont personally dislike them

[white spruce]

I'd enjoy a chunkier rex, especially if it's the brawler out of the apex trio

[jovial sleet]

I honestly did like the thickness of the old rex model.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783773460437925900/786012525983563786/tumblr_p30xraoQv41sakqhjo1_1280.png?width=1200&height=440

[mellow maple]

Did they make it thinner in late legacy?

[jovial sleet]

maybe that should have been transferred to the current one more, but regardless I still like current rex, i just wouldnt mind if they made him more muscled and thicker in some places........and yes they did wheat.

the version on the left is bulkier I believe

u can see the difference in the stomach and legs

if we gave the rex sue proportions exactly ...would rex be able to chase shit down ?i feel he would be slower

[edgy hamlet]

well rex shouldnt chase things down lol, rather ambush

[barren zephyr]

Rex was never a chaser

[jovial sleet]

hmmm...idk..i just feel like it would be more difficult to hunt but i guess...if they made it too slow i would turn into a bully...and steal other people kills

[edgy hamlet]

also itll rather fight things like trikes which cant run, and it needs to be robust to win against them

[edgy hamlet]

well wasnt it doing that in legacy too :d

[jovial sleet]

I mean i guess...but anyways evrima rex looks faster ( old stream btw)

[edgy hamlet]

yeah i really hope it gets overworked, looks like a derp next to spino

[jovial sleet]

Lol A derp ? Damn.

[edgy hamlet]

yeah tbh lol

[jovial sleet]

Is it bc of his animations or because he look smaller ?

[worn pumice]

yo wth rex is fast af

[jovial sleet]

Btw this old. Could have changed since then

[edgy hamlet]

nah did you see the rex and spino standing next to eachother? It just looks like spino would easily rip his head off in 2 bites, rex doesnt look dangerous anymore

[worn pumice]

yea spino looks massive

[edgy hamlet]

would just love to see a more chonky and scary rex

hush lion you know i mean rex xD

[worn pumice]

[jovial sleet]

I wouldn't mind more chunky/muscled. I just hope its face wouldn't change that much

Maybe few adjustments but not like major changes

[edgy hamlet]

yeah im not a fan of the face

of the sue face*

[jovial sleet]

Same

[worn pumice]

i wanna see this just change the face

[jovial sleet]

Yeah not a fan. That rex is ugly too me

[worn pumice]

oh yea i also hope we just get regular eyes tired of the overused slit eyes

[edgy hamlet]

lmao ikr

[jovial sleet]

Pk rex that was posted >>> sue model

[worn pumice]

pk?

prehistoric kildlife?

[icy lion]

prehistoric kingdom

[edgy hamlet]

yeah definetly better in looks, idk tho aslong as the rex gets chonkier lol

[sonic cloud]

^

Basically

[worn pumice]

ah

[edgy hamlet]

i mean imagine a sue like rex running towards you

[edgy hamlet]

scary stuff

[worn pumice]

this is how the rexes face should be, a lot more bulkier then the one we have

our spinos face is almost as big as the rexes

[sonic cloud]

I honestly don’t think a face change is needed. Just steroids for the main body

[worn pumice]

look at this

[sonic cloud]

That’s more of a spino having a really bulky face than a rex having too slim a face issue

[edgy hamlet]

i think the rexes face could be a lil more thicc but id be okay with only body changes, but tbh it will look derpy having the current face on a chonky body

[worn pumice]

damn never realized how big spino is

quite chonkY

[edgy hamlet]

yep its redicoulus with our virgin rex lol

[lilac swallow]

Thats a 90% Rex and a 100% spino

[sonic cloud]

Also keep in mind that I think that the rex in that pic is only like 90%

[worn pumice]

yes ^^^^

dondi said .9 rex so

[sonic cloud]

It’s bigger and so is the head

[edgy hamlet]

oh why is it only 90% lol

[worn pumice]

idk

he showed it on stream and said this is .9 rex vs spino

[edgy hamlet]

welp still chonky rex wen dawndi

[worn pumice]

recode wen daindi

[edgy hamlet]

daindi

[paper oriole]

Yes chonkers rex please

[barren zephyr]

The tyrannosaurus needs that proper facial musculature to power that tremendous bite.

[mellow maple]

AHHAHAHAHAH

That gave me a fucking smile

I love that

In this case though

Yeah IRL rex just

objectively better

[barren zephyr]

Adding lips onto a Tyrannosaurus makes it look like a real animal. As is the case for a lot of animals, actually.

[mellow maple]

It's almost like I want to play the animal, not a fucking bootleg

Mhmm

[barren zephyr]

Would adding the "real" Utahraptor be a good idea, or just look bad?

[mellow maple]

Ehh, there's better restorations of Utah than that one if you want my opinion.

It's not bad

[paper oriole]

Real utahraptor > naked dock rat with broken wrists

[mellow maple]

but there's better ones that fit the game.

[barren zephyr]

Well a Utahraptor is a carnivore equal to, if not larger, than a polar bear.

Probably just as vicious as well.

[barren zephyr]

Ye I'd agree

[sonic cloud]

Unfortunately Utahraptor is a case where although reality is certainly as cool as if not cooler than fiction, it also happens to be far less viable than fiction

[barren zephyr]

What exactly makes it unviable

[sonic cloud]

It’s slow

Easy kill for larger predators

Would love to play as it but frankly it just wouldn’t survive

[mellow maple]

inb4 just make Utah run as fast as Isle one. Even IRL form smh.

Or magy run faster than Allo. But idk if that's still true

[glossy matrix]

tbh

isle rex is cool

but saying it'd be the best rex if they made is bulkier

is waaaaay too generous

especially when goathrob, blue rhino and PK rex exist

[sonic cloud]

As much as I do want our Rex to be bulkier the blue rhino rex is just too chunky. It looks odd. Imo the Saurian concept art Rex and the PK rex fit into the goldilocks zone of Rex chonk.
Sad to say it but the saurian rex looked far better as concept art than a model

[glossy matrix]

blue rhino rex is fine

the problem is the arms

[sonic cloud]

It might be the pose then

[glossy matrix]

they're in the wrong place

[mellow maple]

What is blue rhino

[sonic cloud]

The one Fluff posted in their suggestion

[glossy matrix]

Rex isnt designed to be an ambush predator

[barren zephyr]

Not unless you make them slower as well

[sonic cloud]

Honestly it’s a game

[barren zephyr]

Rex is a long distance hunter.

[sonic cloud]

Just make it run fast

[glossy matrix]

Its bulk makes it more suited for endurance hunting

Rex relying on stam would be a good thing overall

[sonic cloud]

It doesn’t need to be 100% realistic in how it functions the model just needs to look chunkier

[barren zephyr]

So it would just follow it's prey over long distance.

[glossy matrix]

It allows rex to have its own distinct hunting style rather than having to compete with giga all the time

[barren zephyr]

Well the animal's biomechanics totally disagree with running. The leg bones will shatter if running over 11 or so MPH (about 18-20 KM/H)

[sonic cloud]

I honestly disagree, realistic or not. The way rex was designed in legacy gameplay-wise was a stroke of genius by the developers.
Bonebreak as a mechanic just goes so well with a quick burst of speed and really did make Rex both a challenge and a joy to play.

Having the apex designed to deal a huge amount of damage in ideally 1 bite works better with a quick burst of speed than a slow jog

[glossy matrix]

bonebreak is dead

it's being replaced

with fractures

[barren zephyr]

Giganotosaurus might be slightly faster, but preying on Sauropods primarily due to it's lack of manoeuvrability when compared to Tyrannosaurs.

[sonic cloud]

No its being reworked into fractures

It’s going to function as a way to stop prey from escaping

[glossy matrix]

I think Acro should be more of the sauropod guy

He's bulkier than Giga

[sonic cloud]

A different name and making it less busted doesn’t mean that the mechanic is gone

Its just evolved

[glossy matrix]

I think Giga should be the fastest apex

[barren zephyr]

Acro is just a North American Giga.

They have the same lifestyle.

[glossy matrix]

no

[barren zephyr]

You could easily as well ditch one of the two.

[barren zephyr]

Yes.

[glossy matrix]

to both of those statements

[barren zephyr]

Well why

[sonic cloud]

Well you could tbh

As much as I love Acro it really does feel shoehorned

[barren zephyr]

What makes a shark toothed fella with a hump different from a shark toothed fella without a hump different, save for the hump and the former being a bit smaller?

[glossy matrix]

giga lived with small shit mostly

[barren zephyr]

They ate the same prey. Sauropods.

[glossy matrix]

Acro lived with multiple large sauropods

for giga the biggest is andesaurus which is like

cama sized

[sonic cloud]

Would have made a better alt-skin for Giga than Carch seeing as Acro actually looks different enough to bother making a skin for

[barren zephyr]

Well you do have a point.

But then it's competing with rex for most of the same prey items.

[sonic cloud]

You talking to me or Gorjira?

[glossy matrix]

if we made rex more endurance based then that would be less of a problem

[barren zephyr]

Gojira