Then the game should use a filter like BoB, even with current colors people still manage to create really... lets say visually unappealing skins
#general-feedback-discussion
ashen elm
rare axle
it's not always great but
lilac swallow
You cant stop players for creating shit skins
rare axle
I wouldn't say it's too weird
ashen elm
Neither would adding more colors. Again, neon is no, but more color variety is fine
lilac swallow
By deleting colors you only hinder good skins, bad skins Will be there allways
rare axle
I'm all for color variety, I just want limitations for the main body color
ashen elm
I think most natural colors work for dinosaurs (reds, oranges, browns, green, etc... just maybe purple or pinks might be too much)
We even have proof of a rust-colored (red) dinosaur
Borealopelta
lilac swallow
when saurian trike is bright yellow and their Rex is purple, the Game aiming for full realism
Very grayish purples can work
ashen elm
lol I forgot about Saurian Rex
Very grayish purples can work
Yea I could see it working, they'd just have to be careful
You know someone like Tentacle would go full Barney
rare axle
i'm gonna take BOB as an exemple but that's really not something I want to witness in game
ashen elm
BoB doesn't put any limits tho
No one is saying a free for all on colors
lilac swallow
The black and red isnt half bad
rare axle
Well you'd be surprised, a lot of ppl want total freedom
lilac swallow
The other two ew
ashen elm
Well you'd be surprised, a lot of ppl want total freedom
I think most of these people left to BoB xd
rare axle
hopefully they don't come back
lilac swallow
I prefer total freedom over barely any freedom, i can endure some ugly dinos im not gonna die, still a medium point would be the best
rare axle
Yeah personally that's something I'm not gonna bother enduring
ashen elm
Give freedom but remove extreme lightening or bright colors. Animals still want to camouflage.
https://bit.ly/38LnKD7
A red skin like this looks (and is) totally natural
lilac swallow
There is so much shit to endure in this game to even bother about how someone looks
rare axle
It might be a detail but still I don't want to play a clown game
ashen elm
I don't think the devs will let it go that far. They still want a horror atmosphere, even if they do includer brighter dinsoaurs like Hypsi and Ovi.
rare axle
I want this game to be a good survival game, one that might even feel scary sometimes
Not gonna feel immersed or scared if I see some clowns roaming around the map
And then they add humans who can ride dinosaurs and you end up in furryland, epic
lilac swallow
I knew you would say inmersion, i was even waiting for It, how can you even have inmersion in first place with how players act?
ashen elm
tribals
rare axle
Well idk, I played 1k hours and I've felt immersed a lot of times
I guess it depends for some ppl
lilac swallow
Anyway, gotta go, It a was surprisingly nice convo about colors, usually "less colors" people jump fast to accuse you of being a neon loving furry
ashen elm
lol I think people in general want more colors at this point. We've had the old system for awhile now, time for something new and to try it out for awhile.
rare axle
Overall I've mostly seen ppl that were upset they couldn't have some colors we used to have in the past for the details like red and blue
I'd be fine with that personally
lilac swallow
With "less color" people i meant like gab, they are a bit more restrictive than us in what colors they want
Not saying its a bad thing tho
rare axle
Well I know it's annoying for you guys but it's a fact that it will have a bad impact on our gaming experience
lilac swallow
It can go both sides tbh
valid zephyr
Trouble is people can always make hideous skins unless you basically remove customisation
rare axle
On the other hand I don't feel like some ppl will stop playing because they can't have their bright pink T-Rex
lilac swallow
Trouble is people can always make hideous skins unless you basically remove customisation
@valid zephyr this
Never talked about bright pink
rare axle
No but you said you prefered to have total control over the colors instead of what we have in legacy I think
valid zephyr
I’d love to see a bright pink juvie rex trying to hide.... because I’d kill it.
rare axle
Lol
mellow maple
I also think just any color works because of lore itself lmao.
jovial sleet
mellow maple
Iffff we can have genetic messes that hardly resemble an IRL animal, what's to say we can't use the same excuse for colors?
I'm not gonna be pushing for neons or bright pink but I wouldn't be surprised if they did
rare axle
Well personally I'm not against it because it's unreal or whatever, I'm against it because it would look dumb
rare axle
Tbf if it was for me to decide I'd just give everyone the same skin with aleatory changes on the patterns/colors everytime you spawn and f it 
lilac swallow
Stork austro also looks dumb yet we are getting it
valid zephyr
vast wolf
austros concept will likely get changed due to the amount of feedback on it.
vast wolf
anky was changed somewhat
rare axle
What does the austro even looks like, I don't know
lilac swallow
Stork
vast wolf
Hadn't changed at all
the kink was made flat but its head was upsized
it looks like a strain
lilac swallow
But the correct answer is, "that stork looks like an austro somewhat"
lilac swallow
the kink was made flat but its head was upsized
@vast wolf the upsize head no one asked and now is recieing negative feedback
vast wolf
its got a super elongated thin skull a really thin neck and a tiny body.
silver zephyr
tbh i dont remember many feedbacks on the anky design when it was first released. well at least compared to acro, alberto, and austro. plus acro, alberto, and austro got way more edits
vast wolf
we also dont have a side on for anky or have its render.
lilac swallow
The skull being as long as the body is cursed
vast wolf
rare axle
Ah yes the acrobese 
lilac swallow
It got lots of feedback about the back needing to be round
rare axle
The only issue I have with anky overall is its head, looks too big idk
Can he even look around
vast wolf
the head could look big from the angle
lilac swallow
The only thing that changed from the concept art, and for worse
lilac swallow
May be the angle too tbh
vast wolf
just the angle is similar to ankys.
anky is slightly closer to being broadside than the first one.
but giga looks a lot different proportionately at the angle
rare axle
I don't feel like it does
vast wolf
its head looks pretty big at the 3/4 angle
we wont know what anky looks like until we see a side on or top down view.
rare axle
Well not really idk
Doesn't shock me like the anky
Maybe I'm just used to the little head anky have on legacy, and because of that I'm bothered by the change
vast wolf
i mean legacy anky is really accurate.
just a shame its a tsl model from 2015
was in favor of this.
paper oriole
i doubt you'd have to force frugivores to eat certain fruits if herrera can climb the trees regardless
rare axle
Well tbf it does look similar
But the head is smaller here
The body is maybe... Rounder too?
vast wolf
its an edit of the concept where they undented it.
the models head definitely looks larger than the concept.
rare axle
It sure does
But I think it should be an easy fix so maybe they changed it with the feedback, we'll see
vast wolf
the body is more elongated and much less awkward looking
lethal silo
keep in mind thats not a perfect side view like the concept its more like 3/4ths
meaning the head probably appears larger due to foreshortening just like the carnos head does
lethal silo
vast wolf
that was literally what we just went over before that but ok.
dense wagon
@jovial sleet ik i'm late to respond, but you do realize that the image you used is from selectively bred translucent morphs?
completely unnatural
ashen elm
Fair but I don't think the dinosaurs used in TI are natural either
mellow maple
In gameplay it is proportionally accurate.
That render has the head right in your face
still raptor
We've already had redwood forests. And when volumetric clouds and other atmospherics come in evrima will be better than legacy graphically wise.
And of evrima is more saturated than legacy, at least for me. You can always change the saturation in your monitor's settings.
ashen elm
I think Redwoods had problems rendering didn't it?
I wouldn't mind them returning exactly, but I think they can fit in a pine biome that would be natural on the island through tropical/subtropical pines. They are thinner trees so hopefully less an issue in rendering.
ashen elm
Brazilian Pine or Monkey Puzzle sort of give a familiar vibe as V3. Plus Pine is a favorite of sauropods so added bonus
still raptor
I know that when humans were first being tested by Sledge, the blue and a more exotic plants had trouble rendering at a human's perspective. But that can be easily fixed.
If I recall correctly you all you'd have to do is log and reloggin to fix it.
dreamy wharf
That was the LODs for the redwoods and all the assets in general.
still raptor
But that was in anths old old videos
ashen elm
Don't mind me, just posting more tropical pine vibe pics :p
https://conifersociety.org/uploads/conifers/32621/_coniferGalleryImages/Parana_pine_truck.jpg
barren zephyr
Monkey puzzle trees are closely related to Parana pines (they're in the same genus, Araucaria)
ashen elm
Yep, both are pretty pine species. Though the Monkey Puzzle is found more in high-latitude and even cold regions in SA. The Parana Pine from what I know do occur more often in upland habitats but is more heat tolerant (though more critically endangered too).
barren zephyr
Either way having a tropical pine biome would be very interesting
- gives Walking with Dinosaurs vibes, mainly because the documentary was filmed there, as well as in numerous other seemingly prehistoric places (Tasmania, New Caledonia, California's redwoods, etc)
ashen elm
Yes! I also think it would fit the current tropical map that the Isle has in Evrima pretty well IMO. nostalgia vibes intensifies
Pines should surround the interior of the island near or on mountains and let the lowland areas be defined by tropical rainforests, grasslands and perhaps arid biomes.
I think this is Monkey Puzzle in the background but not completely sure
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/walkingwith/images/b/b1/WWDBook_Allosaurus.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20131124103816
jovial sleet
@jovial sleet ik i'm late to respond, but you do realize that the image you used is from selectively bred translucent morphs?
@dense wagon >"Fair but I don't think the dinosaurs used in TI are natural either"@/bronzemummy#7128 >>>That.
dense wagon
fair enough
barren zephyr
@ashen elm it is indeed monkey puzzle scrub
ashen elm
Yep, thought so! : D I'll eventually put up a suggestion for a tropical pine biome for this reason and more, but I keep getting side-tracked lol. Oh well, seeing pictures of WWD using this biome is inspiring.
dapper pulsar
I want to sit in a crack up high and navigate out of it by running along ledges that nothing bigger than a hypsi can walk on.
paper oriole
This in the isle mmm
flat crypt
oh yes please oh my god
im WEAK for beautiful scenic gorges and canyons and cliffs and all that sorta stuff
paper oriole
Slot canyons would be so nice
flat crypt
Plus I think having lots of small rifts and little valleys would be great for gameplay. It offers smaller creatures who can fall from a further distance, or maybe even jump over the gap, a way of getting away from bigger predators
run towards a canyon and jump down, predator has to decide between risking it and jumping after you or playing it safe and going around to get in the safe way
paper oriole
Yeah a chase through one of these narrow passages with so many nooks and crannies along the walls would be pretty fun, especially for smalls. Would help some of the seemingly vulnerable members of the roster
flat crypt
good for gameplay AND looks nice
paper oriole
Plus slot canyons can serve as a good environmental hazard to those who run around carelessly
The dropoffs can be pretty narrow in many areas
barren zephyr
So on the pterosaurs, I think a Tapejara might be a better option than a tupa since it's fairly small
Tapejara wingspan
Tupandactylus Imperator wingspan
dense wagon
what's the problem with another medium sized pterosaur?
barren zephyr
Well it's a tad too big to climb trees without getting harmed by branches n god knows what
Caiuajara hits this optimal tree climbing size as well
@dense wagon besides I had made the initial suggestion of adding Tupandactylus or some other tapejarid
dense wagon
Oh I see
barren zephyr
Tupandactylus could be added a tree dweller, but it seems unreasonable due to it's size.
dense wagon
to be fair, many large animals can climb. such as black bears and leopards
Tupan, being much lighter could still potentially be a climber
barren zephyr
The main issue would actually be it's size
Unless it's a tree with very open canopies, it's otherwise going to get it's wings snagged in branches.
dense wagon
aight, yeah
with that wingspan it is definitely getting caught on branches and shit
last topaz
I agree with Silver’s idea 100%, I really don’t want bright pink utahs running around
ebon crypt
Again, there will be servers that disable the strains. And lowering the hypo's hunger drain wouldn't solve the problem
nimble thistle
The thing is hypos are meant to KOS everything they see
Hunger also makes them die easily so its owner won't play with it for months
barren zephyr
A big price to pay for being so goddamn powerful
last topaz
@nimble thistle but if they KOS everything they see, whats the point? Natural server wipes?
silver zephyr
essentially
valid zephyr
just kosing the entire server with 0 counterplay isn't fun or good gameplay
it's just giving one player the same feeling of power that a loose 8 year old gets when they run round a beach kicking down sandcastles
ebon crypt
The whole point of them is that they don't live long because of their insane hunger. Again, this is a horror game and having a creature where an encounter with it leads to an almost guaranteed death is terrifying to think about. Strains will be an option for servers though, so for people who don't like them or want a dino sim server, they can play on those. Hypos are supposed to be fast, strong and tough, but since they are so huge you could probably hear them from miles away. If anything, I'd be more worried about the magnas
last topaz
Magnas?
ebon crypt
Their like a pseudo strain
An in between a hypo and a normal
Basically a little weaker than the hypo warient, but has lower hunger drain, so they can live longer
ashen wasp
yeah, like the Magnaraptor or Magnatyrannus. they've been described as "more stable" versions of Hyperendocrin animals
ebon crypt
Iirc during the progression era, if a player managed to get a hypo rex, that thing could only live for exactly 10 minutes before it starts taking damage from starvation, so if they decide to give hypos similar hunger drain in the future, I wouldn't worry about it too much
glossy matrix
I wonder when we’ll see the new Magna
sudden hinge
Overall I wouldn’t mind if strains were just boss ai for mercs to kill and get rewards for. The strains seem hard to balance with player bases imo
ripe pewter
@arctic forge get gud
arctic forge
Oh well yeah that’s an option
vast wolf
i think the old highlighting should be a thing on bushes or bodies because its not only better for gameplay but more realistic. you wont just not smell something if its within 10 meters of you.
lilac swallow
It should highlight the closest bushes like 50- meters
50+ meters away should be the envrima way
molten tulip
The maia getting a boost around hatchlings could be a perk
ashen elm
NGL I kinda hate the "mother" mechanic for Maia. It just feels unintuitive.
lilac swallow
faster egg laying or faster growing hatchlings is cool
a plain stat boost around nests is way too abusable
ashen elm
Yea some species being able to produce more eggs is fine. A stat boost from being around a nest is lame imo
lilac swallow
"im gonna place a nest close to this carni while it doesnt see me and then rush him down"
or that, more egg storage in the nest instead of the base number of 4
ashen elm
Honestly smaller species should produce more eggs
Its easier to support (as in resources) than larger animals
molten tulip
Yeah makes sense
ashen elm
Maybe a scale like something like Hypsi could produce like 8-10 eggs per clutch
But something like Rex can only make 2-3 eggs
As a way of indirectly hitting apex populations
molten tulip
Imagine a hypsi walking around with a horde of hypsilings behind it
For rex probably even less
2 egg + 2 parents = group of 4 rexes
ashen elm
Personally I'd be fine with Rex only producing one egg per clutch but I feel like players would rage. 
ebon crypt
1 egg per clutch seems a bit too harsh. 3 at max, but I'd say 2 is probably enough.
ashen wasp
1-3 is a reasonable range
molten tulip
Maybe just make the eggs take a lot of food
So unless you're dedicated to it 1 is a nice range but to get to 2 and 3 you need lots of food laying around
ashen elm
Imagine you produce like 2 eggs that takes an extended amount of time and then an Ovi shows up 
molten tulip
Its free real estate
ebon crypt
Maybe 2 is standard, but 3-4 with a certain perk?
ashen elm
Some perks could be used to increase clutch size yes. As a reward or "spec" playstyle
ashen wasp
mhm, Ovi's gonna be hated if gestation times take forever with large animals
ashen elm
all the more reason to do it 
molten tulip
Yeah only concern with 2-3 babies is juvi rexes will have 2 full grown rex parents and their chances of dying will be substantially lower
ashen wasp
hey, Ovi's doing good work, keeping apex population down
molten tulip
Unless they're a dumb baby and run around in the forest
ashen elm
Yeah only concern with 2-3 babies is juvi rexes will have 2 full grown rex parents and their chances of dying will be substantially lower
Well the hope is that while they can grow a similar amount of friends, resources should be harsher for apexes to keeping more than two Rexes in any one area should be difficult, let alone more than that
But that's assuming resource management for large animals and packs really gets tweaked... a lot
molten tulip
Yeah hopefully
barren zephyr
So in animals, there is r/k selection. R selection is going for a large amount of offspring, with only a few of which will survive into adulthood, while K selection is going for fewer young with a higher probability of all the offspring surviving making it to adulthood.
molten tulip
Correct
barren zephyr
Animals like chickens, frogs or rats are R selectors, having pretty large clutches/litters with not that many making it to adulthood. Birds of prey, humans and Whales go for k , selection and only tend to care for a few or even just one youngster at a time, with those youngsters having a higher chance of becoming adults
molten tulip
Yeah thats what we were hoping would happen when egg clutches are selected
barren zephyr
It should be dependent more on species rather than by choice
molten tulip
Yes like hypsi vs rex
Hypsis don't live nearly as long as rexes since basically anything can kill them,eanwhilr only other apexes can kill rexes
lilac swallow
Rexes protect their few babies, hypsi just keep poping out more babies
molten tulip
Building the army
lilac swallow
"you killed a baby? Too bad i have just poped 2 more"
molten tulip
I just want to see a hypsiling line like a duck with a line of ducklings following it
ashen elm
The sauropods should be R types despite being apexes, because like 10% will live to adulthood 
lilac swallow
pikmin hypsi gameplay
ashen elm
lol
ashen elm
juvie sauropod trying to hide
gets spotted because fat:
lilac swallow
For balance reasons sauropods shouldnt grow as slow as their size suggest, still the slowest but not shit like 12 hours
barren zephyr
Hypsilophodon is like a rabbit since it seems to be continually breeding. Dryosaurus might steer more towards K selection (being like deer, since they only produce one baby at a time, though they mature pretty quickly)
molten tulip
12 hours just to die
lilac swallow
then there is perma juvie sauropod, AKA magy
barren zephyr
Sauropods grew rapidly, actually
ashen elm
I think 8-10 hours is fine, even as adults they will probably be preyed on by Giga and Acro, so they shouldn't be invulnerable (Cama and Bronto anyway).
barren zephyr
It took something like 12 years for a Diplodocus to reach sexual maturity (and continued growing afterwards)
lilac swallow
8 cama and bronto, 10 an hypotetical brachi for unofficial servers i would say
barren zephyr
Hmm discussion is going a bit offtopic
ashen elm
That sounds fine to me. With Brachi only being available on unofficials
molten tulip
Brachi in survival would probably just turn into a raid boss imo
lilac swallow
I still want It on officials but i can live with unofficial but fleshed out playable brachi
A playable raid boss
barren zephyr
So apexes are K selectors, since they don't produce big clutches, but are very invested in parenting.
molten tulip
Everyone would see it from far away and gang up on it
Since the food would be more than enough to share
barren zephyr
Sauropods are r selectors, as seen in the fossil record with their massive nesting grounds.
lilac swallow
Playable final Boss when
ashen elm
So apexes are K selectors, since they don't produce big clutches, but are very invested in parenting.
Yes I think that should be the way to go about it.
So if you want a big friend group to get nested in, it's better to go a medium or small size dinosaurs. Can't invite everyone to grow with you as a Rex/Apex.
molten tulip
Viable sauropods are hard
If they're too small you have to take a few creative liberties to make them work (magy)
lilac swallow
The problem with sauropods is that they are magys for half of their life
ashen elm
The problem with sauropods is that they are magys for half of their life
True. At adult they are fine, it's just their growth period is the major hurdle.
Honestly they mostly just need to mimic Magy in going to secluded places on the map and hope you never run into anything that can kill you till you get big enough.
lilac swallow
I can see a juveniles sauropod outrunning an apex, but not a mid tier which also can screw them
molten tulip
I wonder if there's a way to soft split the ecosystems so those encounters wouldn't happen
Like in land before time where the sauropods chill in a sauropod spot until an apex shows up
lilac swallow
Where do you think in which size should a sauropod stop being juvie and start being considered sub adult?
real kraken
With the feature of diets, have the rexs hunt trikes and trikes liking a certain plant and something else hunts sauropods with the sauropods liking a different plant
ashen elm
I wonder if there's a way to soft split the ecosystems so those encounters wouldn't happen
Diets tbh
Sauropods should grow best in pine ecosystems. Because tall
Ceratopsids, Hadrosaurs, etc... other more easily found herbivores should be in broad leaf dry forests or rainforests
molten tulip
Yeah
real kraken
👆
lilac swallow
I would say around para size, and from para size to Rex size is subadult, after that its a young adult until Max size
molten tulip
There could be a way to engineer the pine forest levels so that fighting as a sauropod in them is easier while fighting as an apex or pack is harder
So they may be able to take a sub or juvi, but to take an adult it wouldn't be worth it
Or wipe the area
ashen wasp
id argue that in-game Magyarosaurus seems to be a K-selector, as evidenced by this concept showcasing parental protective instincts
ashen elm
I would say around para size, and from para size to Rex size is subadult, after that its a young adult until Max size
Yea sub adult is probably around 4 to 10 tons. Its still weaker than an equally sized adult herbivore of other species, but it can at least defend itself from mid tiers around that size.
lilac swallow
Magy is not exactly a conventional sauropod tho @ashen wasp
ashen wasp
true true
ashen elm
There could be a way to engineer the pine forest levels so that fighting as a sauropod in them is easier while fighting as an apex or pack is harder
That's an interesting idea actually!
I'm all for making biomes more distinct, beyond just what food is available in them.
ashen wasp
pffff-- thoughts on bipedal juvenile Magy
lilac swallow
Cursed
molten tulip
I like the idea of being a carnivore venturing into an area that's literally not made for you
E.g. pine sauropod land
ashen elm
Pine also obscure sauropods a bit better than most other trees lol
ashen wasp
I like the idea of being a carnivore venturing into an area that's literally not made for you
literally all the basis for my hype concerning human environments. the "aliens on familiar ground" trope gives me LIFE
molten tulip
Yes
Also because the whole map has always been catering to carnivores by just being land, not engineered land
Would be so nice to have a place where carnis no longer have power
Not only for herbis but as a carni venturing there would be a whole new experience
ashen wasp
a place where carnivores no longer have power?? explain
molten tulip
There could be a way to engineer the pine forest levels so that fighting as a sauropod in them is easier while fighting as an apex or pack is harder
ashen elm
Well we already know Carno probably won't like forest very much because it inhibits their speed.
Hmm maybe certain habitats also produce food or utilities that soft counter specific carnivore types? Like certain forests that produce herbs that are very anti-venom or biomes that are really rocky and have lots of mineral licks?
molten tulip
Yeah maybe something like that
I was also thinking a bunch of rocks and stuff that sauropods would have no problem stepping over, but a rex would have to walk around
ashen wasp
not sure i completely understand-- closest analogue i can come up with is Tenontos utilizing knee-deep swamps to prevent Utahs from zipping around/escaping tail slams-- it's beneficial for animals on the defensive
molten tulip
Yeah the teno swamps are a good example
Bipeds don't have the advantage there
I was thinking a place like that except for sauropods
ashen elm
Make pine cones help with healing against bleed
lilac swallow
A place with lots of trees that punishses running, something that sauropods dont do
ashen elm
Oh yea true
ashen elm
Oh! What about if a sauropod can knock down trees... on purpose
I'm semi-joking here, I'm actually kinda intrigued 🤔
molten tulip
Theyre confirmed to be thinking of knockable trees
lilac swallow
A valley is kinda bad, carnis can close both openings
ashen elm
Theyre confirmed to be thinking of knockable trees
Yea but I mean offensively. Certain pines are pretty thin, so could be knocked down easier and possibly hurt carnivores in the process or at least create a small obstacle
But it depends on how easily the sauropod can knock it down too
molten tulip
Yeah maybe knock down giant trees that either just fracture or kill the carni, or just create a big log that needs to be walked around
Meanwhile the sauropod if its big enough can just step over logs like nothing
ashen elm
It's an interesting idea! It could could make pine forests walking domino lands lol
But you'd also have to be careful not to knock them on herdmates or yourself, or end up just creating more space for the carnivore to outmaneuver you.
molten tulip
Yeah
(Considering a decent hit box for a sauropod is plausible)
From a hitbox standpoint theyre hard, if you put the boxes in the legs you have to figure out how to make them track in the animation without bugging out, but if you want them to not bug out by being stuck on rocks you'll probably have to do a little bit of scripting
You cant just remove the hit box from the feet because then nothing can bite it
ashen elm
I think Ama posted some promising IK pics so hopefully walking over logs doesn't bug out like PoT
lilac swallow
Cant a hit box be programmed to only be affected by certain things?
molten tulip
Yes
lilac swallow
Like leg hit box is inmune to fell trees but can still be bit
molten tulip
It can ignore rocks and small trees
(If you have a distinction between small trees and large trees)
That could work but it may look like the animal is just no clipping
ashen elm
Sauropod deforesting their environments should be a key gameplay feature tbh (for food and possible a defense)
https://gph.is/g/4AjoY8O
ashen elm
Yep
molten tulip
Knocking down tree for the babu
Issue with ik is if it's two small trees very close together or something the leg might start flipping out
Especially if it's ik moving the leg horizontally as well as pronating it vertically
Tbh the no clipping might feel more realistic because if a sauropod stepped on a rock id expect the foot to go all the way down as if it doesn't even notice
ashen elm
Hmm what about if the sauropod just destroys the trees instead of climbing over it? If it's big enough to knock it over, it's probably big enough to just crush it.
That way to avoid IK clipping
molten tulip
That sounds cool but mt only concern is like
What if they just walk through everything
And the forest becomes no more
Trees sould have to grow back very fast
ashen elm
I think you could prevent that by not making it easy to knock trees down.
Some pines should just be way too big for even adults. Other mid-sized should require stamina/to be a certain size.
The small shrubs that are around juvenile size are free for all tho
molten tulip
Yeah or just make their preferred biome a place with little to no tiny trees at all
E.g. only tall trees and big shrubs
And then have more medium sized ones that can be knocked down
barren zephyr
Ecosystem engineering is interesting
Animals like beavers (with dams) and alligators (with gator holes) do it
ashen elm
True. It's an good way to make sauropod gameplay feel different but natural
molten tulip
Wasn't there a concept or something for big carnivorous plants
ashen elm
It's still a thing but they rarely give info about it, as far as I know
molten tulip
That in a sauropod biome would be cool
Since sauropods wouldn't be prey
(Only babus)
barren zephyr
Btw @pallid acorn there is sexual dimorphism already planned for hadrosaurs like para. The males are more colourful, while the females are more inconspicuous in colour.
pallid acorn
Btw @pallid acorn there is sexual dimorphism already planned for hadrosaurs like para. The males are more colourful, while the females are more inconspicuous in colour.
@barren zephyr Oh, really? I didn't know sorry...lol. I just thought the bigger female idea was cool for species that the mom looked after babies
molten tulip
The thing wrong with that suggestion is dimophism with stat buffs unbalances the game
If that happened people would just always choose one sex and no one would nest
pallid acorn
Oh I don't mean like buff buff, I meant taht it looks in general stronger
No stat buffs
pallid acorn
I fixed it! sorry lol
pallid acorn
Venus dinosaur traps
ashen elm
I don't know about a strain
But a thorny shrubland could be good for certain dinosaurs if they are armored/nimble enough
Maybe Magy
pallid acorn
Hypo anky land
ebon crypt
The venus fly traps already have concept art. Well they aren't complete venus fly traps, but
These things, though it's rather old
ashen elm
Like the intro to land before time
Huh, you right lol
molten tulip
They could also be used as control points on the map, so adults can't go to an area a certain way and have to take another route
Unless they want to get absolutely obliterated by thorns
ashen elm
As long as they are relatively barren so juvies don't grow free go in there
Well, certain carnivores could probably fit in there too anyway
Basically burrows that you don't make yourself
ashen elm
And if you stay in there you die because hazard damage
molten tulip
You have to leave eventually if you dont want to starve
Or dehydrate
If an animal were so inclined it could use a buddy to basically starve animals out
Thorns would be a cool aesthetic too
ashen elm
You have to leave eventually if you dont want to starve
Sort of. Right now hunger and thirst rates are kind easy grow in Evrima.
Hopefully they are tweaked as we get more stuff in.
ashen wasp
that point a bit ago about sauropods knocking down entire forests-- would that necessarily be a bad thing?? firstly, itd be difficult to organize a large enough group of sauropods to do any real lasting damage to dense jungles-- secondly, Don already showcased concepts for shrubland jungles, and they look really cool!! areas like these with no trees, "meant to be an in-between from jungles and grasslands".
Still able to hide, just no trees. itd be cool to give players that degree of control over the environment before humans are even added. also, gator holes sound amazing, can't wait for dynamic weather and stuff
ashen elm
True it could be difficult to organize for sauropods to deforest large areas but my main worry is just them creating server lag by changing the environment too much. Unless the logs/downed trees despawn really fast like in BoB.
Though an image like this would be totally cool
ashen wasp
it'd also force sauropods to leave an area, after exhausting all the food, allowing trees to respawn
ashen elm
There is that aspect, which I definitely see as positive, but wouldn't the server lag still be an issue?
ashen wasp
what if felled trees weren't kinetic once they came to a rest?? like, we already have models for fallen logs-- what if variants were added and just. plonked down on the map where trees fall?? then you'd essentially be trading one static model for another
barren zephyr
We'd probably need a bigger island if we are to have tree felling n stuff
ashen elm
Hmm that could work I suppose. Though I'd worry about the clipping if you get logs everywhere
I still think the best scenario is just having certain trees being able to be knocked down, with mid-sized one's taking stamina from adults, while small shrubs are basically free.
So you have "limited" control of your environment and not full reign.
ashen wasp
yeah, theyd have to have some system where they conform to the ground/other trees to not float or clip-- but definitely, stamina cost depending on size makes sense
ashen elm
The tropical pine(s) I'm thinking for this environment also get pretty huge anyway. The trees in this picture can get twice/three times as big and the sauropods are all adults.
https://imgur.com/btHEUr0
lament ermine
Maia being slower than most mid tiers that are fast... 
barren zephyr
Why they removed memes?
severe idol
Lost the plot. It was no longer functional for it's intended purposes.
flat crypt
sorry my wording was probably poor @lament ermine Basically maia would be slower than utah, carno, probably dilo too. Maybe about the same speed as cera? So the only mid tiers slower than it would be the fairly big ones like allo and sucho
severe idol
Maybe I'll turn it back on, we'll see. 🤷
nova anchor
bring back isle memes
severe idol
No.
nova anchor
yes
hoary dawn
Yes
modern stone
bring back isle memes
glossy matrix
bringing back isle memes seems like a cool idea ngl
lament ermine
I mean.. Eh, I liked Maia being able to kick the asses of smaller tiers that decided to mess with it tbh
glossy matrix
i wish more people posted about it
lament ermine
Same I think it'd be really awesome
flat crypt
it still would, it just wouldnt be able to catch up to them if they ran off
which is kind of what it needs. maia are a bit of a problem in some servers because they're fast, and a good maia player can kick the ass of most mid tiers
if it was still beefy but a little slower it'd be a little less of an issue
lament ermine
Well frankly, I like Utahs and Dilos actually having an active threat, instead of being able to run from everything with ease
flat crypt
thats the niche tenonto now fills
which was basically my point. tenonto basically does what maia did in legacy
so maia will need some changes
lament ermine
I mean... No? Utah can still outrun Tenonto, and, like... Everything aside from Carno and Galli, one of which has an ass turn rate
flat crypt
tenonto should probably get a little bit of a buff eventually, its just that at the moment there isnt really much else for utahs to take on
because currently it is kind of skewed in the favour of utahs, despite the fact devs have said in a 1v1 tenonto is meant to do better
and imo its not the end of the world if utah is faster. They're not that much faster, and to balance it they're not terribly strong on their own
lilac swallow
You shouldnt be faster than something 6 times smaller than you period
honest sparrow
Compy
barren zephyr
Why were isle memes removed?
glossy matrix
because of cringe saoulzod
still raptor
Reasons
flat crypt
Yeah. I think devs would be better of tweaking tenonto to fill a similar sort of niche as what maia does, and turn maia into something different
honest sparrow
Bullshit
barren zephyr
That made this discord so much more boring
still raptor
I know the true reason.
glossy matrix
This man is cringe
barren zephyr
Kind of sucks, nothing we can do
glossy matrix
except call him cringe until he backs down
severe idol
Correct. I'm terrible.
digital bone
Utmost heinous
glossy matrix
oh god oh fuck
still raptor
Nah, Zod is a great dude.
flat crypt
im sure the discord moderators and admins of The Isle discord server care very deeply about what users think of them /s
severe idol
Nope. I'm the worst person in the server and actively ruining everything. Just ask Reddit.
glossy matrix
based
flat crypt
Herbivores aren't just pushover punching bags for carnivores to eat, and that includes AI. I can think of NUMEROUS matchups in which the herbivore is smaller yet would still fight back
Rex is bigger than trike, but I doubt a trike AI is gonna turn tail and run
glossy matrix
edmontosaurus when
vast wolf
shant clone when.
glossy matrix
tbh though
i think edmonto could replace shant
it's a lot more recognisable
and the comb makes it more visually interesting
vast wolf
glossy matrix
plus it lived with rex
vast wolf
edmonto dosent have a comb
vast wolf
glossy matrix
its soft tissue
of course it won't be easily preserved
but i'm pretty sure evidence of a comb has been found somewhere
vast wolf
shant does get bigger.
glossy matrix
here
also, with evrima streamlining anky to make it faster
edmonto's smaller size could be an advanatage
vast wolf
with the comb it looks a lot loky corytho with a broader skull.
vast wolf
smaller size when your moving at the same speed is not advantageous.
especially when yout an 8-10 ton animal.
glossy matrix
smaller size usually means faster speed though
vast wolf
i mean no
glossy matrix
as well as general build
vast wolf
smaller animals cant take as long strides.
take hypsi. its the size of a house cat and its moving at 28kmph in game with carno moving faster than utah.
glossy matrix
guess sauropods must have been faster than galli then
since they have massive strides
vast wolf
not the case for everything and shant and edmonto have the same build just edmonto is smaller meaning it has a lower stride length aka is slower.
better than edmonto
keep in mind i hate shant btw.
but theres simply no point in replacing it with a less functional animal that fills the same niche.
lament ermine
If you need a big hadro with a comb, just... Fictionalize Shant to have one?
feral wedge
Reminder that #general-feedback is still not a discussion channel.
paper geyser
a Q&A channel, yes please
crude girder
bring back ask a dev?
paper geyser
if it allows us to ask questions without them getting buried by a conversation then sure
barren zephyr
Yes
One question I have would be the aquatic capabilities of Pteranodon (e.g. can it plunge dive and swim)
barren zephyr
Well I wouldn't bother trying to DM a moderator just to ask a dumb question which has probably been answered before
Hence, dumb questions channel.
crystal trail
You can ask questions and tag me in #401464048610312195
glossy matrix
@lime gulch I like the idea of realistic rivers
they can have the three "courses" of an IRL river
upper can be small, shallow, straight and fast-flowing
lower can be wide, deep, slow-flowing and with a lot of bends
and middle can be somewhere inbetween
lime gulch
Yeah the rivers are all the same right now with nothing too great about them
ashen elm
I wouldn't mind streams, but since they can't exactly hide semi-aquatics or are usually very deep, they should be one of the first water sources to go whenever we get droughts.
On the opposite end, let rivers get this deep during floods
still raptor
Yes
Besides seeing an occasional creek would be cool.
I would love to run through this a Troodon
ashen elm
I wonder if creeks that small could support fish? Probably not, but maybe some of the one's posted by Soup could 
paper geyser
maybe little amphibians that small dinos can eat
or not edible, just there for looks
also yes alpha, that would look awesome in game
ashen elm
Frog AI pls 
barren zephyr
Creeks would be nice
So apparently Magyarosaurus is reliant on having "tainted" meat as a defense.
So it's aposematic.
What exactly is the science behind it?
lilac swallow
Doesnt stop anyone from simply killing it
barren zephyr
Is the feature based off animals like hognose snakes, which become mildly toxic due to ingesting toads, or is it just a completely random thing not properly rooted into science.
lilac swallow
This game simply doesnt care about science
You could Guess just by looking at spino and utah
barren zephyr
Yes, I'm aware not everything is scientifically accurate.
Utahraptor has a conservative, Jurassic Park-esque, and the spino remodel was done in 2019, hence it being innacurate to what is now known.
paper geyser
oh it was made in 2019? That's more forgivable then
i was under the impression that it was done this year after the tail discovery
lilac swallow
It was done before, but still, many of the things made werent accurate even in the time It was done, like the sail, and the eyes being in a wrong place of the skull
barren zephyr
you thought the 1 minute slowmode was bad? how about 6 fucking hours?
edgy hamlet
Thanos took over the Star wars universe and snatched the isle-memes
warm cloak
@nova anchor you can't just put "x person was banned!!" without explaining it bro
give the viewers the recap 👍
nova anchor
that video was partially joking too. The whole Milo ban thing was justified, Milo had been violating rules for a while to my knowledge. I just wanted to throw some comedy in there.
also I didn't want it to be super long and ruin it, explaining it would've lengthened it.
barren zephyr
The reason behind the isle memes removal was kind of stupid imo
still raptor
Well it was all shitposts
barren zephyr
What kind of shitposts
still raptor
Smh.
silver zephyr
barren zephyr
Yeah
That's just
Unfunny
Funny gif with text not relevant to it and its sped up!!!!
honest sparrow
I mean once again, Ben, other shit like this has happened and it wasn shut down
Le meme was just shut down
barren zephyr
Ben was banned, sort of
still raptor
It got to the point where they couldn't moderate the channel. Thats how bad it got.
honest sparrow
Also: I now judge comedy, as it is unfunny to me it is now deemed unfunny on a global scale
molten tulip
The meme channel didn't really add anything
still raptor
^
placid iron
I really liked it
still raptor
I do like the somewhat overhaul with the feedback though.
honest sparrow
No real need to take it that seriously
molten tulip
It makes moderation hard
still raptor
Yup
paper geyser
i didnt know we had one, pretty sure i had it muted
honest sparrow
I mean, moderation on this big of a server is hard anywya
barren zephyr
It was one of the fun channels, but we can't have nice things because of some individuals
placid iron
i don't think shitposting is inherently bad tho
honest sparrow
And now because you deleted it, all that shit that you thought was bad, is gonna leak out
And cause more problems
placid iron
Isle Memes was just sort of in a drought imo
barren zephyr
"Hehe let me post ben even though the meme is dead, the irony would make it funny xddddddd"
Is what I hate about that channel
honest sparrow
Legit everyone hated Ben
silver zephyr
^
honest sparrow
Except the demon known as vanilla
silver zephyr
was just vanilla
still raptor
And Wondi
honest sparrow
Wondi is also now hated
placid iron
like not suck myself off, but the last few i made in that channel i thought were good
still raptor
Wondi is also now hated
It's always been hated.
placid iron
like you put more than 5 mins into an idea, it's not that hard to make something funny
silver zephyr
the age of vanilla needs to be wiped form existence
honest sparrow
Yeah there are some actually good memes/memers in there
silver zephyr
blank
barren zephyr
This is why we can't have nice things.
honest sparrow
May brax Rest In Peace
placid iron
honest sparrow
Isle memes has droughts and revitalization’s all the time
placid iron
^
honest sparrow
Back when I joined, jolly, blank, gwt, and brax were in there prime
It picked up again with fish memes
It just happens
honest sparrow
Exactly, so the whole point that people make for some reason that the memes weren’t good is a straight up lie lol
Yeah some are bad
But they die
placid iron
exactly, for every 5 reposts, of a repost, of a repost of a somewhat unfunny meme, you've got some good ones as well
honest sparrow
And again if we’re going off quality of channel then isle discussion would’ve been wiped off the face of the earth a while ago
still raptor
Isle discussion is something else. You can't have an reasonable argument in there.
Half of what's in there is just, add this because it looks cool (when the animal doesn't provide a unique niche or it doesn't add anything new to the game).
silver zephyr
🙂 add tarbo
placid iron
plz add another ceratopsian please it's different i swear
strange wave
@wild glacier deino will already open its mouth in its resting animation, if your referring to basking
wild glacier
no like the defensive behaviour where they keep theyre mouth open and hiss, i just thought that could be implemeted into a secondary attack
minor dome
isle memes was removed? what lame discord this is
just because you dont like something doesn't mean it is bad the intolerance of some people sheesh...
safe crow
@minor dome I didn't like that they removed it, either. It was the only channel I went to on this Discord other than announcements.
minor dome
same
barren zephyr
just moderate better lol ez
unfunny shit posting is annoying but it shouldnt be the reason for a channel removal imo
kinda dumb
still raptor
They probably didn't remove it all entirely. What they probably did was make it to where anyone under the role of Discord Moderator can't see it and type in it.
But who knows?
@last topaz Taming dinosaurs as tribals have been in the talk for years.
strange wave
tribals have always been taming dinosaurs
making the dinosaurs have to agree is stupid
still raptor
They should be forced if anything.
last topaz
But if they don’t agree they won’t really wanna help will they ?
strange wave
they will when tribals do tame them
But if they don’t agree they won’t really wanna help will they ?
@last topaz its forced slavery, the dinosaurs will be forced to attack and kill or they die, the way tribals make them turn is by jamming a spike into their side
still raptor
From what I remember, you can tame A.I. and Players but they might not want to be tamed.
However, they are forced by said tribals.
strange wave
and dinosaurs can break free of taming and eat their captors if they get sloppy
last topaz
I feel like people will get frustrated if they get “tamed” and will rather die and go agane
molten tulip
What if the dino logs out
last topaz
Also, what if I get tamed and have to log?
still raptor
Those damn proportions.
strange wave
I feel like people will get frustrated if they get “tamed” and will rather die and go agane
@last topaz i mean, its a pretty sweet thing, you get food and water as well as protection and in turn to help the tribals fight other things
still raptor
^
last topaz
Yeah thats what I’m saying, if you get forced into slavery, youll just log out, but if you choose to help the tribals that would be pretty sweet for you and them
molten tulip
You can also strategize how to break free
last topaz
I wouldnt log out
still raptor
Well if you log back in, chances are that you'll still be tamed.
last topaz
But others might
molten tulip
What if you log in and the trials aren't there
last topaz
Yeah but you can wait until they log out..
Why is yeah saying what I’m thinking tf xd?
still raptor
You'll still be tamed.
last topaz
But with no one to keep you chained wont you just run off?
still raptor
It seems pretty stupid to me that when a tribal logs out, you'll magically be "untamed".
last topaz
Yeah that would be kinda unfun..
still raptor
So you just sit in a cage.
Not my fault you got tamed in the first place.
You could also try to escape....
still raptor
I'm sure they will
last topaz
Yeah hypothetically speaking
molten tulip
It could be trolling
last topaz
True
molten tulip
Tame someone on your alt then never log back in
last topaz
I think yeah is my long lost brother.. I was about to type that
still raptor
Lets say that taming is like Ark, you (a tribal) and have 10 dinosaurs that are tamed. Why would you never log back in to that server if you had that much progress as a tribal?
molten tulip
Also if the tribals try riding you into battle but then you just log, then what
still raptor
You guys are forgetting that when you log, you sleep.
molten tulip
Does your dino ragdoll on the floor and sleep
last topaz
Because if you abandon the game you would have 10 people sitting in cages all day
And I think that you should be able to log out at any time, even if “tamed”
still raptor
Yea no shit, you're going to have to exit and save your progress at some point.
last topaz
This is after all a game, and people will be annoying
If someone doesn’t want to be tamed, he can abuse the mechanics in 100 different ways to prevent that
still raptor
Yeagrr, Filipe soft confirmed that there will be a hotfix integrated in the update as well iirc. Many bug fixes to come.
ashen elm
Performance is still a WIP.
Personally Evrima is a lot more playable to me now then it was at launch and from what I understand, a lot of others as well.
It still needs more, but there's nothing to suggest they've stopped trying. Also different teams work on different things, so stopping production in one department does nothing.
still raptor
Since that hotfix 4 months ago, Evrima's been running fine. I do use V-sync though.
barren zephyr
For a lot of people including myself, it's not been performing too well.
But, alright.
still raptor
Do you have the recommended or minimum requirements?
barren zephyr
I'm glad there will be a hotfix for performance.. I love the isle it just pains me to play with 30 frames
fleet cobalt
you guys need better things, cause my potatorig can run at 20 stable fps at medium/high settings
still raptor
I can run 140+ but V-sync is much better.
barren zephyr
20 fps ar medium/high setting isn't very good lol
barren zephyr
the very last thing we need is another ridiculous cartoonish looking redesign
and Triceratops of all animals needs it the least
languid crown
i could really get behind a trike model that looks like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGvE1M95rtw
sullen cave
legacy model is already better than that though
Also, I don't think they're gonna change trike much at all, like how they aren't changing rex much (if at all)
left nacelle
@lime gulch That wouldn't really work on players. There isn't much reason for a juvy dino to accept food from a human without also attacking. 99% of players will probably take the food and then attack the human to get even more food
pulsar smelt
the trikes look too much like a toad in the rear end imo
languid crown
yeah if it gets more visualised muscle that would be nice
it just be a chonker now tho
pulsar smelt
the tail just doesnt fit the rest of the dino. looks very weak. good for juvi model but as adult it looks fat.
lime gulch
Yeah I can see it being a huge backfire, but there could also be a system implemented like the reduced damage for people in your group if that dino were to attack. Plus, i think the developers mentioned that dinosaurs would want to stay away from humans anyway. Just a thought since I was looking back at the concept art and wondering how one would've been able to even have a 'tamed' adult rex and ride it for example. @left nacelle
pulsar smelt
I posted a picture in the isle fan art ( didnt know what tab to put it in) but I made some photoshop edits of the current model and did side by side.
left nacelle
Well "taming" never was planned. Tribals were planned to enslave dinosaurs and use them against their will by harming them and stuff. Don't know if that's still planned, but I hope it is
Basically, if the dino didn't obey, they would be killed
mellow sphinx
I'd prefer for them to just kill the player and make the dinosaur a controllable mount
because itd be lame asf if a player tamed you and you were just forced to stand around when they arent using you for travel or whatever
molten tulip
That would probably be the best way to do it
mellow sphinx
yep
molten tulip
Kill a dino by dealing the last hit with a special weapon or something (poisoned arrow? Club? Idk) and you can drag it back to base
mellow sphinx
yeah
flat crypt
it could work similar to grouping maybe? If a dinosaur agrees to group witha tribal they can be ridden/communicate, however the dino is still in control of itself so they need to have good communication
molten tulip
Well what if they dont want to
flat crypt
Would stop it from becoming a huge problem too because this game's userbase suck at communication, so only those who are willing to really work together will excell
then they wont
mellow sphinx
how tf is a tribal going to communicate to another player efficiently enough to give it direction commands, and this isnt even taking into account combat
flat crypt
a tribal can only group with a dinosaur that actually wants to group
people manage to do it now tbh. i think the most terrifying encounters against groups ive had is packs/herds that actively talk to one another and have good plans and strategies
this is just a vague idea tho. tribals are far in the future still
mellow sphinx
theres a difference between pack coordinating and coordinating the thing you're riding
flat crypt
i think more could be done in this game to encourage players to actually communicate and work together well. because its a bit lacking
mellow sphinx
i dunno i just dont see it working out for the vast majority of people
id prefer just to get the mount once you've successfully tamed it and the player is sent to respawn screen
flat crypt
it could be a potential option maybe? If you "kill" the dino and tame it, making it your mount, it might not be as strong as a dino that is still controlled by a player. Coordination would be hard though, so it would be more difficult
encourages people to play together and coordinate, but still gives options for people who suck at that
manic tapir
maybe you could just have something like ark where if you manage to knock a dinosaur out you can add it to your group
flat crypt
and the player is still playing that dino? no thanks. dont want to be forced to join groups
manic tapir
makes sense
maybe you just have the ability to add a certain amount of dinos to your group?
like a maximum of 3 dinos so its not too op
the dino would have to accept of course
works like normal grouping
nimble thistle
@violet magnet the problem is animation should be same for both 2-ton adult and 50kg juvie
violet magnet
....aren't juvie utah and adult utah animations different?
i haven't played Evrima lately and can't remember
barren zephyr
They're similar
nimble thistle
....aren't juvie utah and adult utah animations different?
They are same because of seamless growth
barren zephyr
It looks weird how its upper body barely moves when running and its head is high
molten tulip
@toxic mantle @violet magnet it's most likely that the new dinos will be released with those anims, not because the devs don't want to fix them, but because they can be replaced later and without anims a dino is unplayable. Punch has confirmed they'll be reworking and fixing anims based on feedback and then replacing them in patches
Animating takes a while and the devs are trying to get updates to us as fast as possible
flat crypt
If anyone has any weird and cool terrain features they'd like to see added to the map, toss em at me. So long as I can find visual examples, ill add them to the doc
im talking things like gullies, dry riverbeds, rocky cliffs etc
not entire biomes, but features of the terrain that are unique and interesting looking
paper oriole
the spino we got is pretty ugly but it is probably VERY unlikely they'll redo it at this point
molten tulip
Yeah they already spent the time on it
paper oriole
ive always loved that spino concept tho, wish we got that instead of the boring overdone long leg jp rex wannabe spino
and to make it even dumber they monsterfy it to make it look tougher, but then go and say it shouldnt fight rex anyway. So what was the point of bulking its face up and turning it into a terrestrial animal?
molten tulip
Long t rex with semicircle glued on
barren zephyr
well, they did it a while ago afaik, a year at least I think. they regularly remodel things anyways
Speaking about the aquatic spino, wouldn't it compete to some degree with Deinosuchus
Unless they deliberately stay away from eachother
paper oriole
probably, though spino and deino can also occupy different bodies of water if that becomes an issue
such as spino saltwater, deino freshwater
barren zephyr
well yeah, so would a lot of other animals. but also, there are probably things to counter that
that would be an issue whether or not it looked more like real spino
Well Spinosaurus could occupy rivers, while deinosuchus occupies swamps and marshes.
maybe spino is marine and deino is fresh water 😳
paper oriole
yeah exactly, either or
right now what else is going to be hanging out by the sea? that area will remain useless and abandoned aside from the spawn points occasionally
barren zephyr
Deino could be like a saltwater croc, yes
But it still needs to go the freshwater in order to get a proper drink
desalination
Yes
isn't it in the ocean in that vid of deino swimming with the feesh? it looked rly blue
paper oriole
we already have two terrestrial based apexes, why do they need to ruin spino to make it a third when it has potential to be more unique
paper oriole
plus long leg spino is just ugly and gross
it doesn't even look good
we have baryonix for that
barren zephyr
^ it's hideous, it looks like the jurassic world baryonyx
paper oriole
i hope they dont take bary's face and make it short and fat too
i think spino's eyes are misplaced too
if i remember right
barren zephyr
yep the whole thing's fucked
molten tulip
Does anyone have the concept art of teno
paper oriole
this?
ashen elm
serpentarius, the doc isn't available in public
flat crypt
ah dangit. google docs keeps doing this to me lately
ashen elm
Ah it went through now
flat crypt
docs has been a pain in my ass lately 😩
ashen elm
xD
Anyway I don't have much time to really read through it but it looks good at first glance. I agree with a lot of the points especially that the map needs color variation and keypoints.
The only real criticism I have is some of the biomes might not totally fit seamless with tropical island theme, in particular red woods which are more temperate in climate. But... to be fair some of the plants we've seen in Evrima are imported from all over the world so it could be explained away that way. (also there is an artificially kept redwood forest in hawaii iirc)
flat crypt
Yea, and IMO you could tweak the look of the plants themselves to make them fit in more. But a redwood-looking sort of biome is more or less what im going for
giant trees, sparse ground cover
i think there's giant tropical trees you could probably even replicate it with
ashen elm
Yea the tropical trees I plug in here every now and then. lol
but it's mostly because I thought about biomes a lot myself and it's the compromise I've made in my head with it
paper oriole
slot canyons are 
flat crypt
Ooh good point I forgot about those! I'll add em to the misc section because they'd be functionally similar to gullies
paper oriole
pretty close lol
flat crypt
yeah tbh i think a full on desert wouldnt fit really either, hence why i didnt add that. but i thnk you could get away with an arid grassland
paper oriole
antelope canyon is a good inspiration for landscaping
flat crypt
in the very center of the map where it theoretically wouldnt rain much. have it slowly phase out into regular grasslands to integrate it
ashen elm
I think if you want seamless or natural looking biomes for a tropical island, just gotta look to the islands that are biodiverisity hotspots. Which, pretty much, Hawaii is the standard (though originally it was mostly just dry tropical forests and shrublands).
flat crypt
its sadly kinda obvious that they didnt pay much attention to actual geography for the creation of this map. Which is a shame, it'd be nice to see more map makes take that into consideration. Like having a mountain range along a coast with a dryo biome behind it and that sort of deal
wary sparrow
Well there is a pretty huge mountain range behind a beach in evrima but that’s it
ashen elm
Yep, the rainshadow effect is one way of splitting the map between "wet" and "dry" regions, with drastically different flora and color patterns.
This is why we need that map designer asap to influence, kindly give suggestions to 👼
flat crypt
the map has a lot of potential, its just a bit bland atm :(
ashen elm
I think part of that may be because it was rushed, we originally were getting another map entirely after all.
But v3 also doesn't have a ton of variety either so dunno
flat crypt
yeah. V3 was good for landmarks but the actual look of the map was pretty much the same all over
ashen elm
Yea, which is why I don't mind leaving v3 behind and starting over. They just just really need to develop some assets variety in the vein of foliage and environments.
flat crypt
Yep. The biggest issue with my suggestion about variation of each biome is that'll require a lot of assets, and a lot of time
but its something that can come gradually. a stunning looking map is nice, buts its something that can be worked on over time
ashen elm
True. I don't mind if they keep the giant barriers to section off parts of a map if that means we get more time really expanding on diversity and assets so it actually looks nice.
flat crypt
yeee
ebon crypt
2 words: Check roadmap.
cobalt compass
@barren zephyr Performance is rn top priority. getting things stable as possible is not easy as many new things being add just screw with already working mechanics and stuff
@violet magnet the carno and dryo you see in the video standing/running in very shallow swamp water, like 10-15cm. the impression of carno being weightless comes from the fixed camera angle. dont worry carno feels right for its weight
paper geyser
about the spino and deino habitat separation
i dont think they should be restricted to a specific habitat
but rather encouraged
maybe have more of its diet's preferred prey spawn there or something of the sort
so that they can go out and chill in deino territory if they want to, but might not want to while theyre growing
something along those lines at least
ebon crypt
Isn't spino still supposed to be more of a semi aquatic carnivore, as in its habitat still being larger bodies of water that it can actually swim in. Sucho is supposed to fit the grizzly role iirc
barren zephyr
Well then it competes with Deinosuchus
ebon crypt
Iirc Dondi himself said that spino doesn't have to worry about deino, if that's of any concern
barren zephyr
In Spinosaurus's natural environment, there weren't giant crocodile relatives. Further south, Suchomimus coexisted with Sarcosuchus, a bigass croc.
And Suchomimus wasn't as aquatically adapted as Spinosaurus.
ebon crypt
But honestly, I don't understand what's wrong with a little bit of competition. If anything, we already have a shit ton of land animals that compete with each other, so why not 2 aquatics that also have a bit of a competition. It's like saying that dilo might not be nocturnal because troodon is getting the nocturnal niche. It's not like pretty much the rest of the roster are day animals
barren zephyr
Ok nvm
ebon crypt
My main problem was the spino river part. Spino will still be mostly aquatic, so unless we get super big and deep rivers, spino will have nowhere to run or live out how it's supposed to. I'm sure that both deinos and spinos can still "share" lakes and swamps
frosty dew
@barren zephyr you do realize they’re not AQUATICS (environment for water types ONLY). They are semi aquatic lmao
ebon crypt
Walking while grazing is already a thing, Mercy. Teno can do it, so stego most likely will too
wary sparrow
@frosty dew stego will be able to walk while grazing just like dryo and tenonto already can in the current version
frosty dew
Good good
Bec I remember when the recode just came out with it and the vid for new hope show grazing and walking which wasn’t a thing back then
Ty for the infoooo 
@past dune just don’t speak in there
You can ping them in here and talk about it here. That channel is to post feedback. This is to discuss it
nimble thistle
Im still upset herbivores use slow trot animations for it
They are way too fast for grazing
frosty dew
I would think they do that because of the mass of the herbies does weight them down...
barren zephyr
Spinosaurus is semi-aquatic, but it wasn't a terribly effective terrestrial predator irl (due to it's short legs)
Still, the spino model the isle uses isn't accurate, skeletally speaking, to the real animal since it's from 2019
ebon crypt
Yeah, but it should at least share a very similar lifestyle with the real animal which I'm pretty sure will be the case. Otherwise it's just not a spinosaurus
paper geyser
to be fair we need to take into account the fact that this spino is kinda not the swimmer spino we know, not sure if they'll go with all the cool aquatic things it could actually do considering the model they have
ebon crypt
Iirc someone literally showed me a screenshot of Dondi saying that spino will be defensive on land and offensive in the water. Sure that statement is rather old now, but if spino won't be semi aquatic at least, then don't call it a spino.
barren zephyr
I'd change the model to be more accurate to the irl animal
strange wave
isnt spino getting the, play as you want gameplay? like, can be terrestrial predator, can be oceanic, can be swamp lined, etc
strange wave
he also said that spino was open ocean
paper geyser
interesting
glass mulch
No i do not like it....
versed zodiac
oof
glass mulch
But tbf i am just biased against anything that has to do with defense against sucho
versed zodiac
what about it is bad
mellow maple
You lost me at Iguanodon being a hadrosaur when it's not one itself.
But am I against the animal itself? no lol
versed zodiac
i do feel that tennos are gonna get f***d in swamp so i feel they need somthing to protect them
mellow maple
Iguanodon would be alright
glass mulch
i do feel that tennos are gonna get f***d in swamp so i feel they need somthing to protect them
@versed zodiac Yeah but why would any animal decide to protect them?
versed zodiac
sorry iguanodontid*
glass mulch
Its not like iguanodon gets protection from it
versed zodiac
true
glass mulch
I feel like the protection needs to go both ways or no way
versed zodiac
maybe tennos can help iguanodon with faster treats like utahs for when they travel
glass mulch
Why would a 6 ton iguanodon be scared of a Utahraptor?
Im sorry if im being a little blunt with the feedback on your suggestion btw ):
glass mulch
Uhhh....... if Iguanodon is semi aquatic why would a pack of utahs attack it?
molten tulip
I like iguanodon as a bleeder Hadrosaur but I don't see how it'd have an advantage over sucho or barys
glass mulch
There is plenty in the swamps
Just tons of dangers
also if Iguanodon would work like a hippo, why not lurdu?
Lurdu is literally confirmed to have been semi aquatic
versed zodiac
meh i dunno i go to swamp all of the time and there is not much food in the swamp around it yes but not in it.
glass mulch
and it lived with Suchomimus and Sarcosuchus
versed zodiac
bob has lurdu
glass mulch
bob has lurdu
Bob also has rex, velo, acro etc
glass mulch
what is your point
ashen wasp
Lurdusaurus isn't exactly confirmed as a semiaquatic animal, but its skeletal proportions make it a likely possibility
barren zephyr
Lurdusaurus is a relative of Iguanodon which was or may be semi-aquatic, like a hippo
versed zodiac
yes however lurdu is more of an obscure dino everyone knows velo and rex. its the same as why not add lambeo or styraco its partially because they are in another game and why not add concovenator
silver zephyr
why does iggy need to be aquatic tho
glass mulch
Yeah fair enough
silver zephyr
also adds more teno overlap
glass mulch
why does iggy need to be aquatic tho
@silver zephyr Idk
silver zephyr
since teno is more water adept since its food is in the swamps
glass mulch
It just feels like Iguanodon would be free food for Spinosaurus if it worked like a hippo
wild rose
did we already address the fact carno looks weightless in the new video
looks like its floating
ashen wasp
yeah, extensively
barren zephyr
Yes
silver zephyr
yes we know
wild rose
nice nice
ashen wasp
floating, sliding, etc
glass mulch
Since they would have about the same bulkyness, just that spino is more offencive than deffencive
molten tulip
Yes anims are planned to be fixed after the update releases in patches
versed zodiac
turky please look at my proposition i explain why i feel iggy can be seperate from tenno i might go more in detail.
ashen wasp
oh sweet, didnt know that
barren zephyr
Would hesperornis be a good or bad idea for a dinosaur/bird to add
silver zephyr
i dont think punch ever said that. he just said it would be relatively easy to adjust anims once they have been given feedback
glass mulch
Would hesperornis be a good or bad idea for a dinosaur/bird to add
@barren zephyr Probably cool as AI since its a decent size and has quite the similar playstyle to beipi (minus the fun parts with PVP)
barren zephyr
Hesperornis falls out of the crown group of birds, so it technically isn't a bird.
versed zodiac
i feel tennos need a protector maybe not iggy but somthing.
silver zephyr
turky please look at my proposition i explain why i feel iggy can be seperate from tenno i might go more in detail.
just sounds like a bigger teno then
barren zephyr
But still it sort of is since it had the same features (short tail and a beak)
glass mulch
Tennos could probably take/run from everything in the swamp
molten tulip
Idk we could just buff teno so it doesn't need a protector
versed zodiac
i dunno barys might get tennos
glass mulch
Bary is smaller, weaker and less combat based than teno
silver zephyr
versed zodiac
in legacy yes but they might change it in evrima
bary looks like it could take a tenno
glass mulch
Yeah, but if it would be combat based it would challange cerato and that would go about as well as Allo vs Cerato in legacy ._.
versed zodiac
austros might take a sub tenno
glass mulch
Austros should not fight crap .-.
versed zodiac
in legacy but we dont know much for evrima
glass mulch
Largest thing i think austro should actually take is Dryo
barren zephyr
But for a new hadrosaur/iguanodont, I'd go for muttaburrasaurus. At least the main unique bit about it is that it can't go on four legs, due to how it's hands are built.
glass mulch
But TBH austro will probably be slow
versed zodiac
meh i feel muttabarosaurus is larger mia
ashen wasp
i could easily see Austro fighting what it cant run from/ vice versa
versed zodiac
fair im not to fimiliar with mutta i know about it but i dunno to much
glass mulch
It has the funny nose
ashen wasp
||if anything would be the powerhouse herbi of the swamps..... it'd be Deinocheirus||
glass mulch
Deinocheirus ._.
molten tulip
Deinocheirus when
versed zodiac
i dunno i feel iggy could have unique gameplay with its thumb spike
glass mulch
i dunno i feel iggy could have unique gameplay with its thumb spike
@versed zodiac It would just be the herbi equivalent of spinosaurus
versed zodiac
wasnt dienocheirus a omni
barren zephyr
Muttaburrasaurus doesn't have that many defenses
ashen wasp
likely
glass mulch
wasnt dienocheirus a omni
@versed zodiac Yeah true
Fish + Aquatic plants and High vegitation
versed zodiac
i dunno i still feel iggy is a good choice
barren zephyr
As an obligate biped, muttaburra can't run quadrupedally and it doesn't have any thumb spike or similar quirks.
glass mulch
Iggy could be an amazing Herbi verision of chomky Acrocanthosaurus
glass mulch
Instead of making it Aquatic just make it a lumbering giant
versed zodiac
swamp is my pick
barren zephyr
So muttaburrasaurus could be turned into a forest specialist
versed zodiac
iggy is my fav herbi so im a bit biased
glass mulch
Yeah iggy is cool
versed zodiac
i cannot see iggy in the plains at all
versed zodiac
oh ok
glass mulch
In plains and open forrests ._.
ashen wasp
i could see Para being a plains specialist if it gets some sort of alarm-call system
versed zodiac
i can see open forest but im eh on plains
glass mulch
True, i mean stego will dominate the grazing stuff
ashen wasp
how so??
versed zodiac
maybe slightly flooded plains would be cool for iggy
glass mulch
I still dont get why you are so on the semi aquaticnes
._.
IRL Iguanodon had NOTHING to do with the water more than any other terrestrial Dinosaur there at the time (except bary i guess)
silver zephyr
and anything aquatic iggy makes it overlap more with teno
versed zodiac
this for iggy i would like
glass mulch
Yeah, why would people play teno if they can just play teno but bigger
versed zodiac
teno would be a faster iggy
glass mulch
it feels like the whole Tarbosaurus argument all over again, except this time you could ACTUALLY MAKE IT DIFFERENT
silver zephyr
eh. the stat differences would be decent
glass mulch
teno would be a faster iggy
@versed zodiac Faster but 4 times smaller
silver zephyr
but aquatic/semi aquatic iggy is dumb