This is not a cartoon Game, if you get hit by a spike bigger than your body you should die
#general-feedback-discussion
lilac swallow
glossy matrix
they should make all of anky be similar to the tail
ashen elm
anky tail is basically zuul's tail
lilac swallow
just call It zuul
fleet cobalt
This is not a cartoon Game, if you get hit by a spike bigger than your body you should die
@lilac swallow that doesn't happen even in reality lmao
glossy matrix
juul
sick crescent
honestly its fine for me if they just make the head smaller
glossy matrix
@lilac swallow that doesn't happen even in reality lmao
@fleet cobalt WHAT
WHTA THE FUCK
sick crescent
also dull down the armor plates a bit
fleet cobalt
it depends on where it hits
paper geyser
if you get fucking paled by two spikes that go through your fucking body and you do not get off those spikes you are motherfucking DYING
glossy matrix
and we can see by the video
lilac swallow
I think you watched too many super Hero movies
glossy matrix
IT HITS THE TORSO
WHICH CONTAINS MULTIPLE VITAL ORGANS
sick crescent
you can see where they fixed it though, there isnt some extra layer on the ass side anymore
its kinda flat
fleet cobalt
how can you be sure both spikes will actually hit the body
sick crescent
still dont see the appeal of realistic anky either, but thats just me
silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
am just asking questions lmao
glossy matrix
you're asking stupid questions
ebon crypt
I'll say this again, please tell me that you aren't being serious
paper geyser
stego attacks, stego spikes hit utah, utah gets impaled fully, utah dies. That is it
fleet cobalt
anything can one shot anything
lilac swallow
still dont see the appeal of realistic anky either, but thats just me
@sick crescent many people could say the same about real stego
paper geyser
okay just please stop speaking
sick crescent
I mean
glossy matrix
THERE'S YOUR FUCKING EVIDENCE
sick crescent
Our stego is better than real stego lol
sick crescent
but it basically is real stego
fleet cobalt
welp that tail motion
sick crescent
thats a realistic stego not including the animations
ashen elm
I like both versions of Stego, it doesn't bother me as much as Rhino Anky
glossy matrix
best stego
sick crescent
ew
silver zephyr
paper geyser
neck
sick crescent
the model is fine
glossy matrix
has keratinised plates and everything
Idk why they didn't use a more realistic stego
They want things to be fast, no?
sick crescent
but holy crap that is the most skinny Stego, not even pots stego is that malnourished
glossy matrix
but holy crap that is the most skinny Stego, not even pots stego is that malnourished
It's an accurate stego
the PK one
plain crown
Glad I'm not the only person who would really like an anky redesign
sick crescent
its on a diet in PK
paper geyser
yeah new anky is very questionable
glossy matrix
No, isle stego is just fat
plain crown
Honestly Just make the anky A thick boi and I'd be fine with all the extra fantasy elements
lilac swallow
Pretty much everyone prefer a real anky or simply dont care, not many people actually prefer rhino anky @plain crown
sick crescent
Isle's Stego isn't fat and PoT's Stego isn't fat
ashen elm
New Stego doesn't usually get portrayed very thicc despite getting to 6 tons
https://64.media.tumblr.com/878feddbbba820e0b156d634b4618169/tumblr_ojvow8VLQ41rj34fvo1_r2_1280.png
silver zephyr
Personally I think rhino anky is fine its just the go too hard on some of the rhino elements with the dipped back and the arm guards. But I dont really like anky in general so 
sick crescent
theyre more rounded and smooth
fleet cobalt
Should Tier 4 animals be able to one shot tier 3 animals?
sick crescent
no
fleet cobalt
yes he is
lilac swallow
Using progression tiers
sick crescent
Utah is definitely not a tier 3 animal
silver zephyr
lilac swallow
ashen elm
Utah 500 kg vs Stego 5-6 tons 
fleet cobalt
Utah 500 kg vs Stego 5-6 tons
@ashen elm 1t, and he's an carnivores... Carnivores in general weight far less than herbivores
glossy matrix
stego is literally an apex lol
ashen elm
Utah is not 1 ton
silver zephyr
Oh god
lilac swallow
500 kg
glossy matrix
that's like saying rex shouldn't 1shot utah
sick crescent
Stego would one shot up to Sucho if this was realistic
glossy matrix
or giga
plain crown
Wait is the argument that a Stego should 1 shot a Utah cause that seems normal to me
ashen elm
If you mean in-game, in-game stats are whack
lilac swallow
1 ton is only an in Game number that means nothing
glossy matrix
Wait is the argument that a Stego should 1 shot a Utah cause that seems normal to me
@plain crown yes
silver zephyr
Yes cement
sick crescent
considering even in the isle, stegos damage is jawdropping in evrima
glossy matrix
he's probably a salty utah main
fleet cobalt
1 ton is only an in Game number that means nothing
@lilac swallow various natural museums beg to disagre
glossy matrix
that's sad he can't play on no alt anymore
paper oriole
Wtf did i walk in to, does somebody really think stego shouldn't oneshot Utah?
paper geyser
BRUH
plain crown
I mean hippos one shot lions so
lilac swallow
sick crescent
Hippos one shot Crocodiles
silver zephyr
iron you mean like literally 1 you posted earlier that everyone thought was sketchy
fleet cobalt
Wtf did i walk in to, does somebody really think stego shouldn't oneshot Utah?
@paper oriole yup, I do
paper oriole
Wtf lol
sick crescent
oh god its bork all over again
ashen elm
I don't think any museums are claiming a one-ton dromeosaur. It would be all over the news
paper oriole
Are you a utah main or what, what is your logic
lilac swallow
Tell me a single "musseum" that says Utah is any more than 700 kg at most
fleet cobalt
iron you mean like literally 1 you posted earlier that everyone thought was sketchy
@silver zephyr Utah University Museum actually states 1-2t
lilac swallow
2t
silver zephyr
sick crescent
2t wtf
ashen elm
lilac swallow
Fucking carno sized utah
paper geyser
oh dear lord not this one again
fleet cobalt
paper oriole
How would utah support 2t with his skeletal build 
fleet cobalt
Utah should die to anything 1 hit
paper geyser
yeah he definitely is, bringing up this again
fleet cobalt
Utah should die to Hypsi spit
paper oriole
Idk utah fans are pretty unironically illogical
lilac swallow
A 2 ton Utah is more dense than a neutron star holy fuck
ebon crypt
silver zephyr
Utah should die to Hypsi spit
lilac swallow
Dude
paper oriole
Utah should die
glossy matrix
You want two 1-meter long spines to 1shot utah!!!!1 THEN EYIOUW QWANT EVERYTHING TO SH OTG KILL UTHA!A!!
paper oriole
Period
sick crescent
utahs eyes should die to hypsi spit lol
fleet cobalt
A 2 ton Utah is more dense than a neutron star holy fuck
@lilac swallow oh my... earth doesnt exist then
lilac swallow
We are just being coherent
sick crescent
tho fr I do want hypsis spit to damage your vison even after you arent fully blinded anymore
glossy matrix
Do you think earth is utahraptor-sized?
lilac swallow
You get onshot by things 10x your size
paper geyser
if you wanna say a utah is 2t then im gonna say neutron stars are as dense as utahs lmao
fleet cobalt
you are being coherent with legacy isle play style, that yourselves say it's just reskins of the same design
glossy matrix
WHAT
ashen elm
A 2 ton Utah would be heavier than Kentro, Carno, and in-game Teno which it clearly is not
fleet cobalt
if you wanna say a utah is 2t then im gonna say neutron stars are as dense as utahs lmao
@paper geyser not me... https://eastern.usu.edu/museum/exhibits/_documents/handout_utahraptor.pdf
glossy matrix
YOU ARE USING LEGACY BLEED FOR YOUR ARGUMENT
paper geyser
that source is obviously invalid, we've been over this
lilac swallow
Im not even using legacy anyway
fleet cobalt
YOU ARE USING LEGACY BLEED FOR YOUR ARGUMENT
@glossy matrix I did use, yep... But Evrima system seems even better lmao
lilac swallow
Just common sense
silver zephyr
in literally any universe whether irl or in game a stego should 1 shot a utah
plain crown
Doesn't cerato ( a larger animal than utah ) weigh like less than a ton
glossy matrix
Doesn't ceraot ( a larger animal than utah ) weigh like less than a ton
yes
lilac swallow
I feel so lonely being the only Utah main that doesnt want to boost my ego by killing shit 10 times my size
glossy matrix
I feel so lonely being the only Utah main that doesnt want to boost my ego by killing shit 10 times my size
come, brother
join the carno squad
fleet cobalt
I feel so lonely being the only Utah main that doesnt want to boost my ego by killing shit 10 times my size
@lilac swallow am not even Utah main, am Dilo main lmao
lilac swallow
Cerato is 1 ton in the maximun stetimates
plain crown
Okay
ashen elm
Then cite better sources, either whoever is in charge of doing those infographics is an intern who doesn't do his research or the paleontology department sincerely needs a better head.
The article also claims Utah can take down a 50 ft sauropod so... clearly there are issues
plain crown
and it's a bigger bulkier animal
fleet cobalt
and I really want bleeding to be a system for combat completely alike from normal combat
lilac swallow
I Will correct myself "small tier carni main"
fleet cobalt
agreed
plain crown
but I usually played dilo
glossy matrix
it's a lazy DoT
lilac swallow
Only dilo mains tolerate legacy bleed
plain crown
okay understandable
fleet cobalt
it was a system in itself lol
lilac swallow
You just spam bite some times and then wait for something to drop dead
ebon crypt
Even as a dilo main, I can say that legacy bleed is unfair as shit
plain crown
yeah a single dilo shouldn't be able to destroy 2 or 3 rexes which I have done
fleet cobalt
You just spam bite some times and then wait for something to drop dead
@lilac swallow how did that differ from Apexes bite spam until something drops dead?
glossy matrix
when you make a completely off-topic point
lilac swallow
Also a bleeder against a non bleeding Dino is simply unfair, the bleedimer is healing during the fight, the bleeding Dino is not only not healing but losing HP over time
Dont being aoex
We arent talking about them
fleet cobalt
Also a bleeder against a non bleeding Dino is simply unfair, the bleedimer is healing during the fight, the bleeding Dino is not only not healing but losing HP over time
@lilac swallow because that's how bleed works?
glossy matrix
whenever ironcrow sends a message, another Utah dies in one hit to a stego
fleet cobalt
^^^^
plain crown
@lilac swallow how did that differ from Apexes bite spam until something drops dead?
@fleet cobalt Apex's had to actively be trying to hit their target where as A dilo for example could abmush a rex get 10 bites and run away
lilac swallow
Also, It differs in the fact that the apex doesnt leave the right until the prey is dead
silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
@fleet cobalt Apex's had to actively be trying to hit their target where as A dilo for example could abmush a rex get 10 bites and run away
@plain crown seems beliavable, ambushing is a viable tactic
wether he could or not is a different thing entirely
silver zephyr
^^^^
you sure this was meant for my message
plain crown
@plain crown seems beliavable, ambushing is a viable tactic
@fleet cobalt yes but any animals that succeed in this other than poison ( like Komodo dragons, snakes exc. )
By that I mean by simply waiting for the other animal to loss too much blood
fleet cobalt
also, bleed is a very different thing... one bite from a Dilo shouldn't do more bleed damage to a Rex than a Stego tail hit for example
glossy matrix
no shit
fleet cobalt
because the Dilo bite are is smaller than the Stego spike, that is clear
paper geyser
okay we're on the same page here
fleet cobalt
but if he could take 10 bites on a Rex and run away, hell yeah it's a viable tactic lmao
paper oriole
Yeah the stego spikes are bigger, big enough to oneshot a utah even
fleet cobalt
if he keeps creeping the Rex and ambushing him because the Rex cant hit him, viable
glossy matrix
no
fleet cobalt
and bleed the Rex out after 30 mins of ambushing? Hell yeah, it's a viable gameplay
glossy matrix
assriding is not skill
fleet cobalt
assriding is not skill
@glossy matrix who said assriding? lmao
glossy matrix
you
paper geyser
abusing one technique is not the way
plain crown
and bleed the Rex out after 30 mins of ambushing? Hell yeah, it's a viable gameplay
@fleet cobalt It never took that long to kill a rex with dilo
fleet cobalt
@fleet cobalt It never took that long to kill a rex with dilo
@plain crown just giving an example
plain crown
But the example was wrong It didn't work
fleet cobalt
abusing one technique is not the way
@paper geyser rex bite?
fleet cobalt
dilo also is a bite
paper geyser
not every dinosaur can ambush abuse, assride, etc
fleet cobalt
who the hell is talking about assriding?
paper geyser
its called an example
glossy matrix
ah yes
fleet cobalt
not every dinosaur can ambush abuse, assride, etc
@paper geyser because a Rex is fucking huge?
glossy matrix
using your main attack?
plain crown
That's what I as A Dilo main did
glossy matrix
that's abusing a tecnique
plain crown
Buttrode
glossy matrix
stop it
paper geyser
jesus fucking christ its impossible to have a coherent discussion with you
fleet cobalt
yes, don't ambush other dinos
silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
Utahs, Dilos, Velos and anything small shouldn't be allowed to ambush anything
lets make a barren flat map so you can see anything from miles
glossy matrix
doing what you do best
paper geyser
go off dude
glossy matrix
exaggerating points beyond recognition
plain crown
That's not what we are saying
lilac swallow
@paper geyser i may not like ironcrow but please keep It respectful
paper geyser
im doing my best
fleet cobalt
Oh... am sorry, you don't want your rex to be ambushed, I understand
glossy matrix
Oh... am sorry, you don't want your utah to die to a stego, I understand
plain crown
Lions ambush their prey all the time, and they take on buffalo but that is no were near the size difference from dilo to rex
and they grapple them not bleed them out
fleet cobalt
Oh... am sorry, you don't want your utah to die to a stego, I understand
@glossy matrix I just wanted something different from what we always have
glossy matrix
whine elsewhere
lilac swallow
Buffalos may be 3 times bigger than a lion at most, Rex is around 12 times a dilo
fleet cobalt
Buffalos may be 3 times bigger than a lion at most, Rex is around 12 times a dilo
@lilac swallow in weight? yep, in actual size? nope
plain crown
In volume yes maybe not height or length but in actual size yes
silver zephyr
@glossy matrix I just wanted something different from what we always have
Why do we need something different if its perfectly fine. Like I don't see anyone else against stego oneshotting utahs besides you.
lilac swallow
Weight is size
plain crown
Size is measured in volumes
fleet cobalt
Why do we need something different if its perfectly fine. Like I don't see anyone else against stego oneshotting utahs besides you.
@silver zephyr because I dont think only about Stego Vs Utah.... but Stego against all other dinosaurs in game
and how that could work out
lilac swallow
In the animal kingdom size is allways measured with weight
paper geyser
stego against all other dinos is completely irrelevant to stego vs utah
fleet cobalt
stego against all other dinos is completely irrelevant to stego vs utah
@paper geyser not when all you do is swing your tail to do fixed damage
glossy matrix
what
paper geyser
i am once again baffled
fleet cobalt
and I also think about with getting in consideration the blood smelling idea I suggested
plain crown
All hippos do is bite to do raw damage
paper geyser
i think i'll stop trying
fleet cobalt
All hippos do is bite to do raw damage
@plain crown but that's not how Hyenas fight, is it?
paper oriole
Different animals
fleet cobalt
because all animals are different?
silver zephyr
paper oriole
Do you want totally different animals to act the same
fleet cobalt
Different animals
@paper oriole steggos = hippos?
molten tulip
Holy crap this debate is still happening
fleet cobalt
Do you want totally different animals to act the same
@paper oriole exactly the opposite lmao
silver zephyr
yes somehow
plain crown
@plain crown but that's not how Hyenas fight, is it?
@fleet cobalt You are correct, hyenas use sheer numbers to harass and overwhelm opponents
fleet cobalt
that's the whole point... I want different animals to play differently
silver zephyr
what does stego 1 shotting utah have to do with this tho
paper oriole
You are upset about a slow animal like stego that can't retreat from a fight being able to oneshot a small fast animal
fleet cobalt
what does stego 1 shotting utah have to do with this tho
@silver zephyr because that was the discussion that brought me the idea for stegos play
molten tulip
Stego can't run away from fights, so it needs to be really strong
fleet cobalt
like I said on #401464048610312195 leave the Utah at brim of death with tons of bleed
paper geyser
no reason to do that
silver zephyr
why tho
paper oriole
Nah mate its dead
glossy matrix
the idea for stego's play?
molten tulip
Tiny things like utahs shouldn't even have a chance at surviving its strongest attacks because 1 second of life = more opportunities to deal damage
fleet cobalt
why tho
@silver zephyr because you can scalate that all the way to Rexes
glossy matrix
what, not 1shotting a 500kg animal?
silver zephyr
paper geyser
again, why the hell does it matter what happens to a utah
molten tulip
Utah may be bleeding out but it could just kamikaze and deal tons of bleed on stego that shouldn't even happen in the first place
paper oriole
If a dumb ass utah runs at a stego and gets impaled it doesn't deserve a second chance
molten tulip
^^
paper oriole
Next up you'll complain that rex oneshots galli right?
fleet cobalt
Next up you'll complain that rex oneshots galli right?
@paper oriole nope, that's very different
paper oriole
Not really
molten tulip
It isn't though
fleet cobalt
rex mouth width against gali body
paper geyser
come on man galli should have a chance because rex shouldnt one shot all the other dinos
molten tulip
Giant slow animal vs tiny fast animal
molten tulip
Its not about how wide an animals mouth is, where the kidney is, or anything like that. Theres no simulation of that. It's a video game, where the point is balance
glossy matrix
rex mouth width against gali body
@fleet cobalt stego spike length against utah body width
fleet cobalt
Its not about how wide an animals mouth is, where the kidney is, or anything like that. Theres no simulation of that. It's a video game, where the point is balance
@molten tulip yep
@fleet cobalt stego spike length against utah body width
@glossy matrix body width, I've seem people survive being threpassed
paper oriole
Not to mention the fact that the utah is the one to decide if it wants to fight the stego, it can easily leave, there is no imbalance in it being oneshot
honest sparrow
And how shitty would the balance be, if you couldn’t one shot an animal multiple times smaller then you
molten tulip
@molten tulip yep
@fleet cobalt then why are you saying vital organ placement and mouth width matters
fleet cobalt
@glossy matrix yes ofc... Guess the person I know personally who survived a shot to the head is also a cartoon
molten tulip
Literally agreeing that you're wrong
lilac swallow
@glossy matrix body width, I've seem people survive being threpassed
@fleet cobalt exceptions doesnt make the rule
fleet cobalt
@fleet cobalt then why are you saying vital organ placement and mouth width matters
@molten tulip because you can translate that ingame
molten tulip
You can but its stupid and clunky to implement
paper oriole
Did that person receive medical care? Will there be medics on standby to save the utahs?
molten tulip
And its not in the isle so why are you even bringing it up
fleet cobalt
Did that person receive medical care? Will there me medics on standby to save the utahs?
@paper oriole no there will not be medics, but they will not insta die and hell try to think of implications in game
paper oriole
Nah, they will insta die, sorry
honest sparrow
I really don’t think a utah that gets impaled, no matter how thicc it is or if it somehow didn’t hit an organ, I don’t think it’s walking that one off. Ever
fleet cobalt
I really don’t think a utah that gets impaled, no matter how thicc it is or if it somehow didn’t hit an organ, I don’t think it’s walking that one off. Ever
@honest sparrow why do you guys think I want the Utah to walk off and survive 100%?
silver zephyr
I really don’t think a utah that gets impaled, no matter how thicc it is or if it somehow didn’t hit an organ, I don’t think it’s walking that one off. Ever
Especially 4 spikes being swung at it with high force from a multi ton behemoth
paper oriole
You're like the guy who made that salty rant about how diablo shouldn't oneshot utah after he ran into a diablo's face and died
honest sparrow
Oh no, I think you’re implying a Utah with a giant hole in its side will somehow survive
silver zephyr
*4 giant holes
fleet cobalt
nope, am just saying it aint a insta kill
glossy matrix
then what even changes
plain crown
well 2 holes realistically
glossy matrix
why bother
fleet cobalt
and if a decent blood smelling is added ingame, that can translate in very unique situations
silver zephyr
plain crown
Let's ask another question should kentro one shot utah?
honest sparrow
Yes
plain crown
👍
glossy matrix
yes
fleet cobalt
should tenonto 1 shot utah?
honest sparrow
It is a highly flexible, bone stabbing thing going at high speed
It is going to kill it
plain crown
With a kick to the head I wouldn't argue
glossy matrix
should tenonto 1 shot utah?
@fleet cobalt if it annoys you, then yes
lilac swallow
Teno is not 10 times bigger than utah
fleet cobalt
Teno is not 10 times bigger than utah
@lilac swallow nor is kentro
silver zephyr
nor is teno covered in huge af spikes
honest sparrow
That it can slam into shit
lilac swallow
Kentro has weaponery Teno doesnt
plain crown
Zebras can Potentially one shot lions with a single kick to the head
fleet cobalt
Kentro has weaponery Teno doesnt
@lilac swallow it has a spike
honest sparrow
If you can’t run or hide you better be able to kill shit your size
lilac swallow
Teno?
fleet cobalt
kentro
honest sparrow
Well it has 6 spikes plus it’s spiney playes
plain crown
Kentro has many spikes
vast wolf
tenonto dosent have obvious weaponry aside from its claws but that tail would pack a punch.
fleet cobalt
later on we may continue the discussion, but now I have IRL shit to do
silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
omg, that's cursed
honest sparrow
^that will kill Utah
glossy matrix
@warped tapir No
last topaz
the "zebras being able to one shot lions" is a bit weird balance wise
paper oriole
How tf is that cursed
fleet cobalt
those spikes can't even be used to impalate with side attacks
plain crown
That's one shot utah material right there
glossy matrix
Venomous sinosauropteryx is not realistic
it's fine in game
but don't say it's realistic
vast wolf
i mean zeebras kicks can concuss if not break lions skulls.
glossy matrix
thats just misleading
ebon crypt
Holy shit, I went to eat dinner and this shit is still going after 30 minutes. How about y'all have a break?
silver zephyr
nah
vast wolf
utah should have to be in a group to kill tenonto as tenonto is almost 3x as heavy in evrima and over 3x as heavy irl.
honest sparrow
Na
warped tapir
I mean just for fun
warped tapir
It’s literally in fossil evidence
glossy matrix
it's not
outer condor
It got debunked 
plain crown
Wait what had venom glands?
vast wolf
we dont have any fossil evidence of venom glands in dinosaurs.
honest sparrow
^
vast wolf
as that would require soft tissue to be preserved.
glossy matrix
^
warped tapir
plain crown
honest sparrow
The only evidence sino had to bring venomous was because it had something bloated iirc, can’t remember exact details
vast wolf
we cant rule out that some dinosaurs might have had venom but its very very unlikely.
outer condor
The new York times pog 😎
warped tapir
we cant rule out that some dinosaurs might have had venom but its very very unlikely.
@vast wolf ok then what are the holes shaped as venom glands that lead to the teeth do?
glossy matrix
bruh
warped tapir
It’s smith Sonia no
vast wolf
@vast wolf ok then what are the holes shaped as venom glands that lead to the teeth do?
thats not what venom glands look like.
glossy matrix
your source is the new york times
warped tapir
*smithsonian
plain crown
glossy matrix
the smithsonian is much more reputable when it comes to paleo
plain crown
@vast wolf ok then what are the holes shaped as venom glands that lead to the teeth do?
@warped tapir read the article please
blazing charm
I mean, even if it didn't have venom irl, it could have for the sake of a game.
Does that mean I actually care for Sino? Not really, I don't see the point in something that's more or less a velo that can glide.
glossy matrix
I mean, even if it didn't have venom irl, it could have for the sake of a game.
Does that mean I actually care for Sino? Not really, I don't see the point in something that's more or less a velo that can glide.
@blazing charm That's not my problem
vast wolf
venom glands are soft tissue.
glossy matrix
my problem is that he said venom was proven
noble pine
i mean, many things in this game arent accurate, i dont see the issue here
warped tapir
Ok that’s a good argument, maybe I’m not proven but it could make something like sinornithi, a tiny pigeon Dino, become something actually dangerous, just for the sake of the game
paper geyser
my problem is that he said venom was proven
this, having venom in game is fine but dont go around saying it was proven fact
glossy matrix
also, wtf
how would sinornithosaurus kill a dryo
warped tapir
i mean, many things in this game arent accurate, i dont see the issue here
@noble pine exactly
warped tapir
also, wtf
how would sinornithosaurus kill a dryo
@glossy matrix not in the game
noble pine
it isnt proven but it could still be given venom
warped tapir
it isnt proven but it could still be given venom
@noble pine exactly
glossy matrix
not in the game
@warped tapir i know, read the rest of what i said
it isnt proven but it could still be given venom
@noble pine i'm not advocating against that
i even suggested that in isle discussion yesterday
silver zephyr
I'm pretty sure goji is fine with it being venomous in game. Just doesn't like how it was treated as proven.
vast wolf
why would you want sino to be a tree troodon
noble pine
it could jump onto things like dryo, but the back or neck then fly off and wait for it to die
warped tapir
I’m wrong, sino probs didn’t have venom irl but it could be a good addition to the game
vast wolf
litterally troodon but pulls a herera and climbs.
glossy matrix
then we cool
warped tapir
It wasn’t a dryo in the video it was a small ornithischian thing but I’m saying in a venomous pack it could take one down
litterally troodon but pulls a herera and climbs.
@vast wolf but it glides
noble pine
im using dryo as an example for in game gameplay
vast wolf
@vast wolf but it glides
so boring
glossy matrix
idk if it'd glide, rather than fly
silver zephyr
gliding is neat
noble pine
gliding isnt boring
noble pine
when i play ark i constantly glide with rockdrakes, its fun
vast wolf
rather have a unique glider like microraptor thats not just tree troo.
warped tapir
Anyway my chicken nuggies are getting cold fulgore carry out my legacy and continue the arguement
noble pine
micro would get owned if it wasnt in the trees
vast wolf
so would sinosauropterux
vast wolf
its just troodon but it glides.
noble pine
ok?
vast wolf
basically like saying add aquilops and tacco but aquilops has active camo.
noble pine
alberto is just a small rex, dibble is just a shit trike, para is just a big mia
silver zephyr
depending on what the venom does it could be distinct from troo
vast wolf
so you want a playable venemous flea that everyone will either love because they want to play it or hate because of how infuriating it is.
noble pine
saying that its a troodon but in the trees is a poor take when troodon is pack based and is nocturnal, sino could have venom, glide and climb trees and rock walls
glossy matrix
i can't find an exact source but people that are more knowledgeable about paleo than me tell me that flying for micro is possible
so take that as you will
vast wolf
news flash no one wants to get jumped on by something they cant see just to have it sentence you to death for walking near it.
vast wolf
except dryo cant use what its attacking as a launchpad to get away for free.
noble pine
troodon is an ambush hunter, dilo is an ambush hunter, almost every carnivore is an ambush hunter where you arent meant to see them before they attack and kill you
vast wolf
just make it a vampire bat and its infinitely more unique.
noble pine
but now it really is just a troodon in the trees
noble pine
making every venomous animal nocturnal sucks
vast wolf
dilo never had to be nocturnal
noble pine
you could have them live in caves and trees, that'd be neat
glossy matrix
guys
noble pine
but it is
vast wolf
megalania likely wont be either.
glossy matrix
if they were to add a poisonous animal rather than a venomous one
what do you think it would be
noble pine
dilo and troodon are nocturnal, mega wont be but thats 2/3
glossy matrix
magy isn't poisonous
silver zephyr
ffs magy isnt poisonous
glossy matrix
it tastes bad
silver zephyr
venom and poison is literally in the update after
paper geyser
how would "tasting bad" be implemented?
glossy matrix
maybe they could make ava poisonous
vast wolf
or homalo. 
poisonous mushroom head.
paper geyser
no hunger gain?
vast wolf
how would "tasting bad" be implemented?
diet system.
glossy matrix
how would "tasting bad" be implemented?
@paper geyser dinos vomit when they eat it
except cerato
like in spore
paper geyser
i see
vast wolf
vomiting if you eat something usually means it has a toxin in its flesh.
glossy matrix
so shut
well it might as well be poisonous if it causes vomiting
yeah
i want magy to be kinda like a dart frog
paper geyser
same
glossy matrix
eat a specific plant, get more poisonous
paper geyser
that would be cool
vast wolf
pretty sure i remember filepe saying something about it being poisonous
paper geyser
something like bite me and you take immense toxin damage
glossy matrix
he said something about it not being poisonous iirc
i think fulgore might have the link
silver zephyr
you know i do
glossy matrix
post pls
vast wolf
Vice, Magy have a few mechanic ideas, being venomous is 1 of them, but unlikely to be the one
silver zephyr
ffs
paper geyser
venomous
is not
poisonous
whoever said that needs to take a biology class or something
vast wolf
thats filipe
paper geyser
he gotta take a biology class or something
silver zephyr
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/777074596553687084 i got distracted by this 😔
glossy matrix
it's a common mistake
silver zephyr
idk if filipes first language is english too
silver zephyr
flint root
Damn i missed the stego not 1shotting utah argument 😔
vast wolf
imagine a 6 ton animal with 3 foot spikes not 1 shotting a 500 kilogram animal.
paper geyser
quite the spectacle, for sure
vast wolf
stego really should kill mid tiers in 2 hits and apexes in 4-5 tops not counting bleed.
you should fear the tail.
fleet cobalt
Damn i missed the stego not 1shotting utah argument 😔
@flint root fear no more
kek
stego really should kill mid tiers in 2 hits and apexes in 4-5 tops not counting bleed.
@vast wolf 4-5 for apexes seems exaggerated like hell, but bleed should be astronomical
vast wolf
wdym exagerated? it realistically would screw them over if it managed to get its thagomizer into a body cavity.
fleet cobalt
also bleed is better used to translate the agonizing death of any animals, you are going to agonize your dino dying before your hands without you being able to do anything
vast wolf
trike and stego both would cause massive organ damage easily.
fleet cobalt
wdym exagerated? it realistically would screw them over if it managed to get its thagomizer into a body cavity.
@vast wolf yes... I think lower raw damage, like 11 hits to kill by hit, but a really big bleeding to slowly kill them off much before u need to land these 11 hits
vast wolf
@vast wolf yes... I think lower raw damage, like 11 hits to kill by hit, but a really big bleeding to slowly kill them off much before u need to land these 11 hits
now your fucking dreaming. 11 hits to kill an animal that will likely be able to 1 shot you if it gets a well placed hit.
stego is 6 tons rex is 8.8 tons.
vast wolf
fleet cobalt
Just weakens you stam
@lilac swallow weakens your stam, slow regain stam regain, negates healing and who knows what else you could add in depending on the bloodloss
lilac swallow
Didn't you mean you are insta death unless someone puts max bleed? @silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
at around 50% you could really make them slow down gradually
silver zephyr
Didn't you mean you are insta death unless someone puts max bleed? 0@silver zephyr
perish
glossy matrix
still gives them a chance to annoy the stego
vast wolf
The effects of blood loss comes in stages. At 30% blood loss, the situation worsens as the skin becomes pale and the heart rate increases. Beyond that, breathing worsens as stamina drops and at 80% blood loss, losing stamina becomes deadly. At 100% the heart can no longer pump blood and the body shuts down. Each stage of bleed drops your stamina, healing and stamina regen. Get to safety and pack your wounds to stave off a slow demise.
fleet cobalt
and with a decent blood smelling system, the stego can hit the Rex once and run away, leaving a weakened rex to be picked by all predators in the area while guaranteeing the Stego safety to go away
lilac swallow
Bleed is no more a main killing method, its only a tool now
vast wolf
bleed alone wont guarantee anything
fleet cobalt
who the hell said bleed alone
lilac swallow
I didnt
vast wolf
it makes killing something easier but it dosent directly effect your health stat.
fleet cobalt
omg, I just give an idea... lets the stego one shot the rex then
lilac swallow
No
vast wolf
omg, I just give an idea... lets the stego one shot the rex then
if it hits its face it should.
lilac swallow
That's retarded
paper oriole
If stego hits rex in the throat or cranium yeah
vast wolf
head shots from trike and stego should be really scarry if not lethal.
lilac swallow
Although yes, spike on the skull dead rex
vast wolf
same with anky but anky struggles a bit more to hit that high.
fleet cobalt
^^^^ agreed
honest sparrow
Stego is basically the .50 cal of dinos
fleet cobalt
same with anky but anky struggles a bit more to hit that high.
@vast wolf if we talk like that, anky club anywhere near the torax or hips = dead anything
fleet cobalt
what you prefer, a spike threpassing you or your whole torax caved in?
flint root
Yeahhh that seems far fetched when sauropods are in the game
vast wolf
unless they give it internal bleeding anky should just do crazy fractures and massive damage.
paper geyser
^
paper geyser
and headshots should be insta kills, regardless of size
lilac swallow
Broken ribs mechanich when
glossy matrix
if it hit the head, sure
if it hits the leg though, it should give a lot of damage along with a fracture
vast wolf
yeah if you get hit in the face by anky its your own fault for putting yourself in the danger zone.
glossy matrix
so still survivable, but not easy to survive
fleet cobalt
unless they give it internal bleeding anky should just do crazy fractures and massive damage.
@vast wolf this corealtes with the stego 1 shot Utah... when I said it would take a few seconds for the Utah to actually die... The cave in from an Ankylo also would take a few seconds to die
vast wolf
stego holds its tail a lot higher and trike swings its skull upward making it a lot easier.
paper geyser
again, it adds nothing to the experience, pointless
glossy matrix
this corealtes with the stego 1 shot Utah... when I said it would take a few seconds for the Utah to actually die... The cave in from an Ankylo also would take a few seconds to die
@fleet cobalt no
fleet cobalt
again, it adds nothing to the experience, pointless
@paper geyser how can you say that? lol
glossy matrix
both should 1shot utah
paper geyser
because im right? lol
glossy matrix
because im right? lol
this
fleet cobalt
what is the experience for you?
vast wolf
either the utah just dies outright or they play a death animation on the stegos thagomizer
paper oriole
Whats the point of keeping the player alive for a few extra seconds when their death is certain
flint root
I dont see a reason to add a few more seconds before you inevitably die. Just seems like a delay to get to the select screen
glossy matrix
i like the death animation idea
paper geyser
a mechanic must add something valuable, if a mechanic simply exists for the sake of existing then it should not exist at all
fleet cobalt
either the utah just dies outright or they play a death animation on the stegos thagomizer
@vast wolf this is one thing I don't agree... Impaling is very bad
glossy matrix
what lol
flint root
Im sorry, what
fleet cobalt
you will have a dead body attracting all predators stuck on your tail
vast wolf
@vast wolf this is one thing I don't agree... Impaling is very bad
@fleet cobalt
paper geyser
bruh moment
paper oriole
You can sling the body off...
silver zephyr
you will have a dead body attracting all predators stuck on your tail
you can let go of the body
vast wolf
you will have a dead body attracting all predators stuck on your tail
cool swing your spikes and it falls off
glossy matrix
NOOO!! YOU CAN'T JUST IMPALE MY UTAH!!! NERF!!
fleet cobalt
You can sling the body off...
@paper oriole you don't have hands
paper oriole
Haha thagomizer go brrr
paper geyser
WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CANT TANK THAGOMIZER HITS??
fleet cobalt
cool swing your spikes and it falls off
@vast wolf ever considered ribs getting stuck on the thargomizer?
vast wolf
@vast wolf ever considered ribs getting stuck on the thargomizer?
@fleet cobalt ever consider game.
paper oriole
Bruh it swings the tail again to yeet the body
glossy matrix
what lol
lilac swallow
Ever consider game
paper oriole
How hard is that to fathom
paper geyser
ah yes, fragile ribs getting stuck on thick spikes, i think youve got something a little backwards
fleet cobalt
ah yes, fragile ribs getting stuck on thick spikes, i think youve got something a little backwards
@paper geyser physics
fleet cobalt
utahs must tank rex bite
@paper geyser your words, not mines
vast wolf
even still stego trike and kentro have horn cores on their spikes that could break partly off with no injury to the animal except a blunted tip for a while.
lilac swallow
Utahs should be indeed viable, but viable=/=killing everything, if you can run even if you can't kill you are viable
glossy matrix
herbivores should be helpless food.
too many people think this
vast wolf
how do you think stego killed allo irl if your trying to prove that it shouldent or couldent do it in general?
glossy matrix
one time i saw a guy thinking that a pack of dakotaraptors could kill an edmonto
fleet cobalt
omg... I didn't even said about Utahs this time
I was talking about Rexes and Stegos lol
how did this come back to the Utah argument?
lilac swallow
Mfw Dakota was a solitary animal
vast wolf
stego should 1-2 shot rex if it gets a head shot.
paper geyser
agreed
glossy matrix
yes
fleet cobalt
stego should 1-2 shot rex if it gets a head shot.
@vast wolf because why not, right?
silver zephyr
how did this come back to the Utah argument?
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/777237308445032478 🙂 you
paper geyser
would be badass to stab a rex in the eye and have it collapse with your tail stuck in its skull
paper oriole
Some people have watched too many bad documentaries of rexes chasing trikes and tanking horn blows before oneshotting the trike by biting its ass
glossy matrix
oh my god lmfao
fleet cobalt
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/777237308445032478 🙂 you
@silver zephyr omg... I was talking about anky club
vast wolf
@vast wolf because why not, right?
@fleet cobalt because i would rather not have a predator facetank me and it get to survive a spear longer than its skull going through it.
lilac swallow
silver zephyr
"this corealtes with the stego 1 shot Utah... when I said it would take a few seconds for the Utah to actually die."
frigid cosmos
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/777237308445032478 🙂 you
@silver zephyr ☺️
lilac swallow
This whole convo
frigid cosmos
shut the fucking up
silver zephyr
fleet cobalt
"this corealtes with the stego 1 shot Utah... when I said it would take a few seconds for the Utah to actually die."
@silver zephyr corelates in the way they stated Anky club shouldn't 1 hit while using the same argument I used for the Utah
and the bleeding
vast wolf
quick question how do i mark something as a spoiler so i can post this dinosaur revolution clip.
paper geyser
<> on either side
paper oriole
Well your argument is bad
paper geyser
wait no
fleet cobalt
so why you used it then?
silver zephyr
how did this come back to the Utah argument?
im referring to this. i dont care about semantics. what you said is what sparked it
paper geyser
|| on either side
flint root
@vast wolf || at the beginning and end of the link
paper geyser
^
silver zephyr
flint root
Lol
vast wolf
paper oriole
If an anky hits a utah in the body or head it will oneshot it, same as stego
lilac swallow
TWO |
paper oriole
LOL that video
paper oriole
Trike only gets a kill after its dead
fleet cobalt
nothing about Utahs lmao
silver zephyr
vast wolf
it shows how a rex should have to hunt a trike and it also shows what happens to a rex if a trike gets it through the neck.
paper geyser
what the fuck is dinosaur revolution, i miss 30 seconds ago when i didnt know it existed
fleet cobalt
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/777237308445032478
@silver zephyr Fulgore that line has no context on the actual convo lol
silver zephyr
I dont care what the convo is. you asked how the utah argument got brought up again. thats what sparked it again
fleet cobalt
this is #general-feedback-discussion not meme for you to bring out of context messages for jokes
silver zephyr
flint root
How is that memeing?
frigid cosmos
fleet cobalt
If an anky hits a utah in the body or head it will oneshot it, same as stego
@paper oriole no one was talking about utahs
paper geyser
like bro you pull some random stuff out your ass half the time or you just completely forget what we were talking about
vast wolf
yeah been trying for 3 weeks and their points are just so confusing.
paper oriole
You were
vast wolf
all the convos just go in circles.
silver zephyr
ffs i dont care if the discussion wasnt about utah or not iron. i know it wasnt. but you asked how the utah discussion started again and i pointed out what did
fleet cobalt
that was not necessary at all... only made the utah thing keep going lol
paper geyser
conversation starts -> iron gets amnesia -> discuss how iron has amnesia
its a pattern im seeing here
frigid cosmos
fleet cobalt
kato, did you even read what I was talking about with @vast wolf ?
vast wolf
that was not necessary at all... only made the utah thing keep going lol
it had already startedand you couldn't answer a simple question so ful showed you how it started.
paper geyser
sure i did, ive been here the whole time, iron
fleet cobalt
you know what, yep, not trying to give any feedback anymore, nor ideas... Let's make bleed a useless feature
paper geyser
ah yes, without your feedback bleed will be useless
vast wolf
you know what, yep, not trying to give any feedback anymore, nor ideas... Let's make bleed a useless feature
bleed dosent affect stegos outright damage so it has no value for not being a dot
fleet cobalt
no I dont think so, but with you guys feedback it will
silver zephyr
paper geyser
look we can have discussions, you just gotta listen from time to time
vast wolf
The effects of blood loss comes in stages. At 30% blood loss, the situation worsens as the skin becomes pale and the heart rate increases. Beyond that, breathing worsens as stamina drops and at 80% blood loss, losing stamina becomes deadly. At 100% the heart can no longer pump blood and the body shuts down. Each stage of bleed drops your stamina, healing and stamina regen. Get to safety and pack your wounds to stave off a slow demise.
legit what the roadmap says
fleet cobalt
look we can have discussions, you just gotta listen from time to time
@paper geyser I am listening, you don't seem to be listening
paper geyser
you clearly arent
vast wolf
you really just dont see any points that we have brought up.
fleet cobalt
legit what the roadmap says
@vast wolf yep, and if no dinos has any use for bleeding mechanics it has no use am I wrong?
flint root
Wha-
vast wolf
stego is not everything lmao.
fleet cobalt
Stego is the perfect example to use bleeding mechanics lol
flint root
You can still kill a dino with bleed
vast wolf
1 shotting something with base damage is a way to immideately punish someone for messing up.
stego should not just do bleed damage though.
fleet cobalt
I never said he should only do bleed damage
lilac swallow
Having high bleed=/=having low damage
vast wolf
I never said he sould only do bleed damage
@fleet cobalt you implied it by saying it should take 11 hits to kill a rex.
fleet cobalt
@fleet cobalt you implied it by saying it should take 11 hits to kill a rex.
@vast wolf as an example ffs... Why you take everything I say as carved into stone? lol
flint root
Becauae its your argument
silver zephyr
why wont we use your examples you give us tho
vast wolf
^
paper geyser
we said 3-5 hits, you said 11 hits, what would you like it to be if not 11?
vast wolf
i said 4-5 on body hits for other apexes not counting bleed.
fleet cobalt
why wont we use your examples you give us tho
@silver zephyr because you could actually try to think along and get to middle grounds, making a constructive argument
and not a "Am right and your wrong" that doesn't help no one
vast wolf
11 hits to kill an animal that can kill you in probably 6 hits makes stego a punching bag for rex.
fleet cobalt
i said 4-5 on body hits for other apexes not counting bleed.
@vast wolf and I think that's actually too low hit counts, it's not hard to hit 4-5 times and apex
vast wolf
it should be a rexes fault if it dies to a stego.
fleet cobalt
11 hits to kill an animal that can kill you in probably 6 hits makes stego a punching bag for rex.
@vast wolf you never asked my thoughts about Rexes, you assumed I think Rex should kill stego in 6 hits
silver zephyr
how many bites should rex need to kill stego then
fleet cobalt
around 9-10
vast wolf
because it makes sense for rex and stego to be able to kill eachother in a mostly equal number of hits.
flint root
Lmaooo
vast wolf
around 9-10
paper geyser
10 rex bites to kill a stego?
fleet cobalt
with much lower bleed than stego
paper oriole
So you want more boring drawn out fights
vast wolf
thats like saying it should take 20 bites to kill a shant.
fleet cobalt
So you want more boring drawn out fights
@paper oriole actually they are more skilled fights specially with part damage implemented
lilac swallow
Pretty sure iron just wants apex to have less damage so they aren't "unfair" against small dinos
vast wolf
fewer hits means more skill more hits means facetanking.
silver zephyr
small dinos can just run 😕
paper oriole
If a rex bites the front of a stego it's fucked, if a stego spikes rex in the head it's fucked. As it should be
vast wolf
^
lilac swallow
small dinos can just run 😕
@silver zephyr exactly
vast wolf
dont run head first into the wall of spikes.
fleet cobalt
If a rex bites the front of a stego it's fucked, if a stego spikes rex in the head it's fucked. As it should be
@paper oriole can agree with that, but what if both only hit torso?
am considering only torso hits here
or as one would say, non-critical hits
vast wolf
the torso is where your organs are and has a normal damage multiplier.
paper oriole
A spike to the ribcage would also be fucked, as would having your spine or ribs crushed
fleet cobalt
the torso is where your organs are and has a normal damage multiplier.
@vast wolf in the game yes
lilac swallow
The torse is not 10 times more resistant than the head
vast wolf
stego would do insane bleed on torso hits and still do some good damage.
it should take like 20 tail hits to kill something.
frigid cosmos
paper geyser
in a lot of cases you'd be better off getting hit in the head since the skull can deflect a pointy spike, the ribcage is taking it in
but this isnt real life so ignore that
vast wolf
body hits should be < 8 for similarly sized animals at the most.
fleet cobalt
but this isnt real life so ignore that
@paper geyser exactly
body hits should be < 8 for similarly sized animals at the most.
@vast wolf I can agree with that, it's not much far from what I think
and criticals like head should be 1-2 I can agree
vast wolf
i still think if your dumb enough to go in on a stego from behind 4 times as a rex you should die for it.
paper geyser
^
fleet cobalt
i still think if your dumb enough to go in on a stego from behind 4 times as a rex you should die for it.
@vast wolf bleeeed massive
like 10% bleed per second
paper geyser
its a good way to teach a lesson, bleed adds nothing to it
fleet cobalt
or 5%
lilac swallow
You don't bleed x% per second
vast wolf
say rex has 9000 hp and 18000 blood. if stego does 1.8k to rex for damage and stacks a bleed% up at about 30% per hit it dies in 4 hits.
fleet cobalt
say rex has 9000 hp and 18000 blood. if stego does 1.8k to rex for damage and stacks a bleed% up at about 30% per hit it dies in 4 hits.
@vast wolf this
the bigger the animal, the more the bleed for stego in this case
lofty pagoda
🍿🐒
vast wolf
it would be the exact same wether its bleed or raw damage both 4 shot the rex.
agreed blank
fleet cobalt
that is if the rex continue... but he can bleed out with 3 hits over time
or even 2
vast wolf
the rex should never die to the stego unless it decides to keep charging it from behind.
fleet cobalt
depending on how long the fight takes, meaning the way you play stego differs from the way you play rex, and the way you hunt stego also differs from the way you would hunt any other animals with tail attacks
paper geyser
@plucky ridge you have chats other than global lol
vast wolf
but ti should never kill the stego unless the rex gets it from the front.
fleet cobalt
but ti should never kill the stego unless the rex gets it from the front.
@vast wolf if he gets from the front you cant bleed him out
but if the Rex takes 2 tail hits and continue in a fight for say more 5 minutes
or 2 mintues
vast wolf
if rex bites stegos head stego should die pretty easy but if rex dosent go for the head stego should outright kill it in 4 charges.
fleet cobalt
then he clearly has a chance to die, Stegos should be killed as quickly as possible to minimize damage taken over time
and if you can consider like I said, a flushed blood smelling system like I suggested a few days ago, then bleeding can be huge in the gameplay
vast wolf
its the same plan for spino vs rex. spino should never kill rex unless the rex keeps running into it and keeps taking the damage.
defensive animals generally shouldent be killing other animals unless those animals bring them self into the danger zone.
fleet cobalt
and also make people use very different approaches and tactics to attack other dinos, every fight can become lethal.... ones more than others but still
that's my point of view of a nice combat system, leading to unique gameplays and situations
plucky ridge
@paper geyser ya but I can see people's group chat in global as well. kind of defeats the whole purpose of group chat if other people that aren't in your group can see it. :3
Could of just been a bug on my end though.
paper geyser
probably a bug, group and global are visible in the same chat for me
plucky ridge
ya the main problem i see is that i am not in anyone's group and can see people's group chat. plus seeing global and group chat in the same screen is a pain in my opinion.
strange wave
@rocky iris 🤔
worn pumice
All I hope for is that another apex shouldn’t be able to tank stego hits
Same goes for a trike nothing should be face tanking a trike that makes literally zero sense
barren zephyr
If a trike full on rams into you head first you should not survive that
Or at least be critically injured
fleet cobalt
If a trike full on rams into you head first you should not survive that
@barren zephyr I expect your to receive considered damage and be thrown out of your feet, being knocked down
barren zephyr
Definitely
brave rampart
@plucky ridge Actually they're releasing a gigantic hotfix in update 2 to my knowledge
Plus they're likely gonna release a hotfix sometime after update 2 to fix the problems and such if there is any
vast wolf
trike could get momentum based damage on its gore attack.
brave rampart
Also the fatal errors according to filipe are fixed or atleast reduced and a lot of the bugs are gonna be squashed
molten tulip
Big project with many systems = inevitable bugs
Evrima is not nearly as broken as legacy is, legacy's brokenness lies in its very engineering
Evrima is just big and has only existed for a short time, they've been squashing hundreds and hundreds of bugs which are an inevitable thing to occur
brave rampart
Yeah and its inevitable that each update will continue to have problems when added
It's a cycle that even AAA games have to go through
molten tulip
Yeah im pretty sure they have like an entire team section just for troubleshooting bugs
Because of how common they are
brave rampart
QA is there to troubleshoot bugs too so
Update 2 is gonna fix a lot of bugs and bring in new ones that will inevitably get squashed when the hotfix comes out
molten tulip
Yeah theres also just finding bugs in the first place
Qa and development may not find them before the players get it
brave rampart
The only problem this community has is when they find bugs they don't report it or they report it and dont give concrete information
Or they report the bugs and shit on the game
It's sad but it happens
silver zephyr
molten tulip
Yeah I've found the isle community has the expectations of a aaa game studio with 100+ devs and 200+ more staff for a team of like 10 people
And when those expectations aren't met they whine and get angry
fleet cobalt
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
brave rampart
🤷♂️ Nothing we can really do but ride it out
Boi its gonna be one hell of a rollercoaster
fleet cobalt
I agree
The only problem this community has is when they find bugs they don't report it or they report it and dont give concrete information
Or they report the bugs and shit on the game
It's sad but it happens
@brave rampart normally when they report they shit on the game
sick crescent
The hell is gigglesthecat feedback
silver zephyr
plucky ridge
@brave rampart I hope so because it’s been hard to enjoy ervima in it current state.
sick crescent
Evrima is far less broken than Legacy is
All ways forward, foundation most importantly
Evrima is lacklaster, not exactly broken
molten tulip
Yeah theres nothing to do rn
sick crescent
Its about as much as legacy
Except evrima’s content is better than legacy’s, aka combat
molten tulip
Only remotely fun if you have friends or the server is at 100/100
molten tulip
As soon as carno drops ill be fine though
sick crescent
ah so you play carnivore
then i can get that
well wait i kinda dont but i rather not question it
fleet cobalt
all I want is group system to be fixed, so I can actually enjoy the game with other people
plucky ridge
@sick crescent I agree the combat is way more fun then the legacy branch.
fleet cobalt
rn Evrima is only fun with your friends
sick crescent
well thats kinda every dino game
molten tulip
No i play carno
fleet cobalt
well thats kinda every dino game
@sick crescent nope, I have fun with randoms in legacy
sick crescent
who says it has to be friends?
brave rampart
Fixing the group would make it more enjoyable? Like how so?
The fact it groups you with random people when you join? Cause you can just leave the group and its fixed
fleet cobalt
because you can't play with randoms when the whole server can see your name tag
sick crescent
theyre exactly the same thing, except one is more likely to be in voice chats consistently
just leave the group
fleet cobalt
or then you cant communicate with the randoms you want to play with
Fixing the group would make it more enjoyable? Like how so?
The fact it groups you with random people when you join? Cause you can just leave the group and its fixed
@brave rampart cause it auto groups everyone, even after you leave the group you can be auto-grouped again, it happened to me and grouped me with a Utah
molten tulip
@frail meadow as has been stated many times before, the dev troubleshooting legacy is on standby due to ai being put on the backburner so theres no "shifting focus back to legacy" occurring. There has been no change in production on evrima
brave rampart
It won't autogroup you
Atleast that's what I've seen
Only when you join the server
fleet cobalt
It did Rick, autogroupped a random to me
plucky ridge
I’ve had it auto group me every time
fleet cobalt
I had already left the group and it grouped me to a random
brave rampart
Hmm
Well atleast update 2 is very soon
Shit will be fixed
plucky ridge
Then it won’t let me leave the group so I die
fleet cobalt
Yes, I really expect it to be, I will enjoy it much more
plucky ridge
Same
edgy hamlet
@rocky iris They mentioned that the 1 call will be extended a lil forward already
barren zephyr
what does the timer emote mean?
lilac swallow
Already planed
ebon crypt
Something is already planned or coming
barren zephyr
based, thank you
lilac swallow
Basically "just wait"
glass mulch
@grave mantle why should we have a chonkier carno?
grave mantle
I’m not sure, may just be my personal preference due to watching the film Dinosaur when I was young where the Carno was a very big and beefy animal and scared the life out of me!
paper geyser
oh yeah Dinosaur gave us all nightmares
glass mulch
Yeah that movie was sick, but tbh a fat carno would just be counteractive
lilac swallow
That carno was just a Rex on a suit
glass mulch
Carno both irl and in the game have a niche of killing small stuff at high speeds, kinda like a land falcon
glass mulch
ehhh, i would not call you basic
I like suchomimus so i cant judge other ppl for their fav dinosaurs
lilac swallow
Even if your favorite was Rex i wouldnt call you basic
grave mantle
I think the model I shared in feedback is definitely too beefy to look right as the speed demon carno is supposed to be. Just love how his animation moves like a heavy animal which I feel some models lack.
lilac swallow
Calling names someone just because they like something is stupid
paper geyser
preach
I think the model I shared in feedback is definitely too beefy to look right as the speed demon carno is supposed to be. Just love how his animation moves like a heavy animal which I feel some models lack.
@grave mantle i agree that the animations right now are pretty light and floaty, gotta add some weight behind all that motion
fleet cobalt
Carno both irl and in the game have a niche of killing small stuff at high speeds, kinda like a land falcon
@glass mulch I still want Carno to be able to ram mid tiers when at full speed and knock them down
glass mulch
Sounds reasonable for a 2 ton animal to knock down some medium sized animals
altho it could possibly take some damage in the impact itself
so you would have to be carefull
fleet cobalt
yep, up to 1,5 of his weight, at max speed seems reasonable
altho it could possibly take some damage in the impact itself
@glass mulch his skull is very good at absorving the impact, maybe a stun would be better adequated for that
glass mulch
yep, up to 1,5 of his weight, at max speed seems reasonable
What, carnos size estimates go from 1700 - 1950/2000kg iirc
grave mantle
Would love carno to people to ram full speed into others and agree it should give some damage it would an awesome mechanic
paper geyser
yeah something about its spine being all lined up makes for great shock absorption
fleet cobalt
Would love carno to people to ram full speed into others and agree it should give some damage it would an awesome mechanic
@grave mantle also would give it a chance against others mid tiers, clearly
glass mulch
Ehhhhh, debatable carnos attacks would be kinda weak compared to most mid tiers
fleet cobalt
yeah something about its spine being all lined up makes for great shock absorption
@paper geyser u forgetting about the pneumatic recession chambers below his horns?
paper geyser
the what
edgy hamlet
@paper geyser u forgetting about the pneumatic recession chambers below his horns?
@fleet cobalt bless you
glass mulch
that was a very fancy word, what is it?
paper geyser
pneumatic has to do with gas/air, idk about the rest
lilac swallow
@real kraken its not a feature, but a bug
real kraken
@lilac swallow Oh, hopefully it gets patched soon then
fleet cobalt
pneumatic has to do with gas/air, idk about the rest
@paper geyser "Carnotaurus sastrei Bonaparte, 1985 is a theropod dinosaur, perhaps the most iconic representative of the Abelisauridae. It is known by a fairly complete specimen, recovered from Upper Cretaceous beds of Patagonia. A re-evaluation of the well-preserved skull of Carnotaurus including a detailed description of each bone, CT scans analyses and comparisons with several abelisaurid taxa expands the previous knowledge of this theropod; adding novel information concerning bones that remained undescribed such the palatal bones (i.e., palatines, pterygoids, and ectopterygoids). This study allowed the recognition of several features, including some new potential autapomorphies such as: antorbital fenestra dorsoventrally enlarged , medioventral recess on the pterygoid ramus of the quadrate, jugal deep and anteroposteriorly short, lateral fossa of vomeropalatine process of pterygoid. Among the features shared by abelisaurids, some of them includes: lateral fossa of the squamosal, lanceolate vomeropterygoid process of palatine, and angular process of the surangular. Furthermore, the CT scans revealed some pneumatic recesses in the lacrimal; similar to those present in Majungasaurus Depéret, 1896 and the tetanuran Allosaurus Marsh, 1877. Although, the most striking feature is a small pneumatic recess in the base of each frontal horn; it is difficult to trace the origin of the latter but likely was related to the lacrimal recesses. Frontal recesses are also present in Majungasaurus and Ceratosaurus Marsh, 1884. In sum, Carnotaurus provides one of the most complete skulls within abelisaurids, which provides several features of potential phylogenetic value and raises new questions about the presence and variability of pneumatic structures among ceratosaurs. PE-APA 19 (1)-Suplemento RESÚMENES R12"
bless you
@fleet cobalt bless you
@edgy hamlet np lmao
paper geyser
okay, you might as well link the entire paper
and that doesnt really tell me anything, just that they found pneumatic recesses at the base of each horn
fleet cobalt
okay, you might as well link the entire paper
@paper geyser its in spanish
glass mulch
.-.
paper geyser
link it anyways
if not then at least try to explain to us what that wall of text means
fleet cobalt
if not then at least try to explain to us what that wall of text means
@paper geyser it means they found that carnotaurus have 2 recess, 2 holes below each horn that would be filled with air and pressure to act as an impact absorber, meaning he most likely used his horns as a kind of weapon... lemme get the link hold
I took some time because I remember seeing one translated, and I found it
ashen wasp
I mean, swallowing small corpses whole is just. A mechanic. It’s already in Evrima
paper geyser
it is?
fleet cobalt
yup, fully in english, but it's a extended document about the whole skull anatomy
ashen wasp
Yep!! Try picking up and pressing the eat key on juvi Utah’s and dryos
paper geyser
oh fuck im stupid
fleet cobalt
you can ctrl+f and search for key words to find it easier tho @paper geyser
fleet cobalt
that's why I think he could ram midtier, but maybe get a stun or some staggering
paper geyser
its unlikely that it was used for actual headbutting though, the skull wasnt very good at absorbing strong impacts so the current thought is that they instead used the horns to push against other carnos
dominance and all that
the recesses were to aid that by absorbing compression forces
probably
not against carno charge in the game though
fleet cobalt
well... it wouldnt be too far off I'd say and would be cool to have
paper geyser
a strong impact could outright break the carno's skull if it was fast enough
fleet cobalt
but with like a small staggering or stun, because it will be hard to hit the side of any midtier anyways
paper geyser
granted it could probably handle an impact at almost 6m/s
and yeah i get what you mean
fleet cobalt
it's a game and we fictionalized many dinos... So why not? xD
also gives them a way to fight against midtier without making them op or anything, they still going to have a hard time
paper geyser
yeah sure im not against it, just talking about real life carnos
fleet cobalt
ohh Yep, unless we get more info, I don't think they impaled things with the horns, no....
waiit.... Did I just foresee Hypo now? OMG! lmao
paper geyser
havent you seen the current hypo carno?
fleet cobalt
havent you seen the current hypo carno?
@paper geyser nope
paper geyser
fleet cobalt
uhmmm dont like it much, too bulkye
paper geyser
i think its the angle, there was a better screenshot i saw earlier today but i couldnt find it
the horns really appeal to me though
such an obvious but awesome change
fleet cobalt
maybe a lil longer? I want to see hypo impalate things xD
@warped tapir that dino names literaly is moneysaurus
fleet cobalt
Yeah, I thought he was Brazillian by the name, but portugal also seems reasonable
like... Irritator lol
paper geyser
found in porto dinheiro apparently
hence the name
irritator is also a funny one
literally called that because the paleontologists were angry at what the collectors had done to the skull
fleet cobalt
yup
fleet cobalt
@real kraken I want bleed to be a viable mechanic, but ppl will just run you down for suggesting bleed
rocky iris
i love how bulky hypo carno looks it fits for how menacing it's supposed to be
vast wolf
@warped tapir beip was 6/45 before they removed it. it still might come in update 3 if theres time for it.
i wouldent call a rigged model with textures far along
warped tapir
@warped tapir beip was 6/45 before they removed it. it still might come in update 3 if theres time for it.
@vast wolf you @ the wrong guy I never said original update 3 was farther along, but the current update 3 with deino ptera and fishing is so close to done it doesn’t make much sense to replace it now.
vast wolf
also elite fish is not going to come in any specific update its just ongoing.
lilac swallow
Exactly
warped tapir
why add it when you can just add a diplodocus?
@barren zephyr why add kentro when we already have stego?
@barren zephyr it’s small enough it’s not invincible, but it can fight back
@barren zephyr why not? It’s almost exactly the same?
Both are just smaller variants of their more famous relatives
There is
Giga and carchar are both apexes, diplo and dinheirosaurus is like having horse and a bull.
@barren zephyr but it’s different, again. Diplo would be I N V I N C I B L E but dinheirosaurus is a V I A B L E option
It’s like magy and brachi, but dinheirosaurus is actually V I A B L E unlike magy
lol agreed, but I still don’t agree with Diplo
warped tapir
gaming, diplo is the same weight as a shant
@strange wave and shant is can take down rexes
strange wave
dinheiro is also literally a species of supersaurus aka diplo but larger
there is no reason to add dinheiro
warped tapir
Dinheirosaurus is smaller than Diplo
lilac swallow
Is just another tarbo case