im too lazy to respond to this crap and just get ignored or glossed over
#general-feedback-discussion
silver zephyr
edgy hamlet
Btw what is it with you and the "you nervous" "you worried" thing? is that a fetish or just..
silver zephyr
paper oriole
they already discussed the reasons above
flint root
Hey socket, are you going to give actual reasons to delay carno or just give mediocre insults?
limpid aurora
hi
paper oriole
hi
edgy hamlet
thanks, minecraft grass block
flint root
Hi
edgy hamlet
Nice that you join the discussion lol
limpid aurora
minecraft
edgy hamlet
minecraft.
paper oriole
minecarno
barren zephyr
el minecrafto
limpid aurora
Craftmine.
edgy hamlet
Minceraft
limpid aurora
minecraft.
edgy hamlet
I like this discussion, very edjucating!
paper oriole
this discussion has more reasoning and logic than the reasons that guy gave to delay carno
flint root
You havent given any actual reason to delay carno, youve only gotten defensive and snapped at people so im not sure where the reasons are to delay carno unless you dont have any to begin with. I await your responce @old orbit
zinc anvil
alright lets not start fighting
edgy hamlet
So socket are you still there? If not then ill leave the discussion due to a lack of actual r e a s o n s
barren zephyr
@zinc anvil
zinc anvil
yes?
edgy hamlet
Okay please just give us a good reason, if theres one, if not it might be good to say that you dont have one, but you dont have to of course
wait for it guys
watch what ill do
andddd
đ
silver zephyr
oh hes back
zinc anvil
its just pointless to bring it out faster by removing carno and not sticking to the Road map/plan
lilac swallow
đż
edgy hamlet
its pointless to still argue heh
old orbit
Fulgore, one last question. What do you mean by "this crap" ?
And don't worry I do not ignore you, I was just busy chatting and unfortunately repeating myself to some others.
edgy hamlet
dragon do you enjoy the show?
old orbit
Synergy now you are fueling the fire again đ
flint root
They havent responded lmfao
zinc anvil
s0cket stop flame baiting honestly
edgy hamlet
He refers to other things now again, knew it. Dear @old orbit may you give us a reason to move carno?
paper oriole
let me guess "read the reasons above"
edgy hamlet
lmao
barren zephyr
I think they should finish carno first. shuffling around the update roadmap will only slow development.
old orbit
what is flame baiting? <- seriously, I am not a native speaker and have not heard about this phrase before.
lilac swallow
Deliberately trying to get people mad
edgy hamlet
Yeah yeh so stop talking about other things dude, give us a reason, if not then stop this discussion
cuz this is pointless
lilac swallow
Yeah yeh so stop talking about other things dude, give us a reason, if not then stop this discussion
@edgy hamlet đ
zinc anvil
what is flame baiting? <- seriously, I am not a native speaker and have not heard about this phrase before.
@old orbit trying to get people to argue with you and not discuss
barren zephyr
- it doesn't make sense for a fishing update and we've been waiting for 3 dinosaurs, if it gets pushed to update 3 it'll take a good few months to come out
edgy hamlet
And even more ppl will jump off the ship if they only get 2 dinos
esp. carnivore "mains"
old orbit
Well, you repeat your argument saying my suggestion is pointless - you expressed that already. I haven't even responded to that but ask you why you kick this off again.
Aren't you flame baiting?
zinc anvil
And even more ppl will jump off the ship if they only get 2 dinos
@edgy hamlet this all depends on how development goes for them 2 dinos
paper oriole
gets boring as an herbi player too with just dumb old utahs and nothing else chasing things about
edgy hamlet
Shouldnt you give us a reason why your sugestions isnt pointless?
Isnt this the reason of discussing? :I
old orbit
I see Bubble is speaking for others again...
silver zephyr
s0cket who gives a fuck. just give us a reason
edgy hamlet
good, give "me" a reason. Better?
paper oriole
i see you haven't given a reason again
old orbit
this gets boring, Fulgore watch your language please, stay civil.
flint root
Well, you repeat your argument saying my suggestion is pointless - you expressed that already. I haven't even responded to that but ask you why you kick this off again.
Aren't you flame baiting?
@old orbit we've given multiple reasons as to why we dont agree with your suggestion. As you put it "read the reasons above"
zinc anvil
are you waiting for me to give a reason im lost?
edgy hamlet
Stop talking yourself out of this. Give us a reason or accept your "loss" of this discussion
silver zephyr
this gets boring, Fulgore watch your language please, stay civil.
dude who cares just give us a reason
paper oriole
lmao just tiptoeing around the subject to avoid backing up your statements
old orbit
nope, it's OK. Just saying I am not the only one who is potentially "flame baiting" - we all sit in a glass house here. đ
edgy hamlet
Its getting boring cuz youre not giving arguments lmao
zinc anvil
guess i looked away more important things to do, lets not fight act like adults
old orbit
Fulgore, find the reasons in my previous posts.
paper oriole
Called it!
edgy hamlet
how dare i write "we"
silver zephyr
i...
flint root
nope, it's OK. Just saying I am not the only one who is potentially "flame baiting" - we all sit in a glass house here. đ
You say you arent flame baiting while repeatedly avoiding the question we ask. Just give us a reason to back up your argument.
old orbit
sure, agree Synergy.
paper oriole
i knew you'd say that lmaooo
silver zephyr
edgy hamlet
Okay, this is getting redicoulus. If you keep talking about others instead of your suggestion then youre wasting your time
So may you give us a reason to move the Carno
silver zephyr
edgy hamlet
â˛ď¸
So, i guess that means he understood that his suggestion doesnt make much sense lol
lilac swallow
Remember bubbles, the word "we" is banned from now on
edgy hamlet
oh noes!
zinc anvil
im pretty sure the carno will stay at this point given that fact that its over half way done. Unless some major problem comes up with it.i get that you want a faster update but this is the isle speed isnt what its known for when it comes to development,thats all i have and need to say have a good one.be nice everyone.
edgy hamlet
Good lord, i mean "I"
This guy was awful tho, no hate- But he literally talked about everything other than his suggestion ;-;
He couldve said that were probs right 30 mins ago lol
Well cya weirdos, was a fun figh- umm discussion
flint root
Debate* 
edgy hamlet
Go back to Minecraft, Minecraft Grass Block- Minecraft needs you o.o
old orbit
Fulgore, can you explain what you mean by "this crap"?
flint root
No đ
lilac swallow
No
lilac swallow
No this shit again
paper oriole
god dammit
old orbit
Thanks Synergy. Appreciate your honest feedback!
lilac swallow
We dont want to start this shit again
edgy hamlet
S0cket, can you explain what you mean by "move carno"
paper oriole
^^^^^^^
silver zephyr
Fulgore, can you explain what you mean by "this crap"?
this discussion
edgy hamlet
Id love to give you some honest feedback socket, id just need a few arguments on why the carno should be moved : )
old orbit
ah, sounds good đ I wasn't sure about that one.
Have a good one!
silver zephyr
narrow ingot
Just read that doc. Regarding tapwing. I would rather her work together with freds art rather than just working on "strain" shit... I like her art and styleđŞâ¤
Too add on baja wen
silver zephyr
dude your obssessed with that bajada art
covert birch
I love tapwing artwork too
But i think they do not really work in all cases
the bajada art is beautiful
but like
narrow ingot
Ik fulgoređŞđ
covert birch
something like austro just looks more strain like to me
Beipi is an exception when it comes to non strain like monster-ized designs
silver zephyr
tapwing does better with like the more cute dinos and strain/human stuff
covert birch
Yes
The more exaggerated a creature needs to be to be viable
The more tapwing does fit with it
silver zephyr
homalo
covert birch
Giga is a creature i wouldve preferred freds take on too
Not a fan of hte new one
Homalo is a creature that didnt need to be added
But well
narrow ingot
I feel like the some of the concepts will get adjusted to fit the skeletals. Im not going to trash the designs right away until i see how the models look with the creative properties.
covert birch
cant change that
ashen wasp
Tapâs non-Isle Dino art is really good, and the strain game is unmatched, but when fictionalizing base creatures it can be very hit or miss
covert birch
^
ashen wasp
Iâm glad for Homalo, actuallyâ it will join the ranks of Dinosaurs I Need To Hug Right Now
silver zephyr
*punt
ashen wasp
Dinosaurs Iâd Punt Fulgore To Hug Right Now
silver zephyr
*crush into paste
covert birch
Homalo is the worst addition of the new roster as at least compy has a job
even though velo couldve been given it
ashen wasp
Homaloâs job looks to be digging burrows ever since Dryo was unemployed
silver zephyr
other dinos will probably burrow
like proto
i still personally think proto is better than homalo in every way
covert birch
Ava
ashen wasp
Mm. Though Iâd like it better if they could repurpose existing burrows instead
Like warthogs and the like
silver zephyr
burrow invader ava 
ashen wasp
Also I kinda worry about Proto and Ava in relation to each other, hope one is given some sort of ability to stand out from the other
covert birch
Devs toss around warthog too much
They called dryo one for it to burrow invade
then said ava would make burrows like a warthog
ashen wasp
Really?? I hadnât heard
âTween you and me Dryo never really struck me as the burrowing type
Iâm still waiting for that Unlimited Stamina When Bleeding ability they mentioned a while back for Dryo đ
At least itâd solve the problem of it being smaller, slower, AND weaker than Utah beyond just âdonât let it see youâ
paper oriole
disabling the giveaway idle animations and sounds etc should be a player activated option, not automatic
if you are unaware of the other dino nearby it shouldn't be a freebie
covert birch
Well gharial i mean
Big proto does exist and it borders on ava size
vast wolf
silver zephyr
bigger proto
vast wolf
not to mention troo is not utah sized.
keen crypt
proto is cool as he is
covert birch
vast wolf
so a giant.
hypsi doesn't need to climb. it has a super jump to get up trees or to high places.
covert birch
Yes
let us give hypsi all the mechanics other small animals should get so they arent just worse hypsis
vast heart
If you make proto the size of an ava then you end up with an ava 2.0
covert birch
Yes exactly
vast heart
Thats like making baryonyx the size of a sucho just to make it more viable against land mid tiers
You just end up with a sucho 2.0
warped tapir
Ok then how would you like to make proto a viable playable?
vast heart
Wombat proto ofc
covert birch
gimme a moment gecko
vast wolf
make it a wombat
paper oriole
upvoting your own suggestion multiple times 
vast heart
Oof ikr
covert birch
warped tapir
@covert birch thatâs exactly what I was looking for something like that could make proto viable
covert birch
@harsh siren it wont climb
But it can jump high
If ya good at parkour
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/774463074039234560/unknown-142.png
vast wolf
unique and not broken or weak.
paper oriole
Omg he did it again
warped tapir
And a perk for proto could be a thick frill so when something tries to attack protos frill it wouldnât take damage
covert birch
If you do it once
You will do it again
vast wolf
eh i like acros new detail. prefer the sail to be highlighted.
covert birch
And a perk for proto could be a thick frill so when something tries to attack protos frill it wouldnât take damage
god no
Fuck any stats changing non elder perks
harsh siren
@harsh siren it wont climb
But it can jump highIf ya good at parkour
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/774463074039234560/unknown-142.png
@covert birch Lmao
vast wolf
better fracture damage perhaps?
warped tapir
If hypsi can land in the tree then at least let it stay there.
wild stone
I would love to see cerato, or taller, something equal in height to the tree just walk up to it and carry it off screaming.
covert birch
God no
warped tapir
Idk I gtg brb
covert birch
Perks for elder proto:
Blocking burrows reduces more damage but takes more stamina if being attacked
Vice versa, takes less stam reduces less damage
Burrow has occasional edible plant tubers that grow into it, you have less overall food now
Perks for non elder proto:
Universal stuff like improved grazing n such
non elder perks should not be stat or ability related whatsoever
ashen wasp
Hypsi can have a little tree-climbing. As a treat.
covert birch
or
we give tree climbing to something confirmed to not be removed that is currently just worse hypsi
like oro
ashen wasp
Mm. That could work
vast wolf
i would say oro could use burrows but most smalls will be able to it seems.
covert birch
Hypsi can still "climb" trees
if its actually good at jumping
vast wolf
not just make them something like velo entering a proto burrow for instance.
ashen wasp
Oh yeah just give trees collision that allows for Hypsi to jump up onto low-hanging boughs or whatever and boom, golden
vast wolf
minmi and proto seem like they could help out a lot of the smaller roster with their old burrows.
ashen wasp
Hmmmmm. Something like a ptarmigan Oro would be interestingâ color palettes that naturally camouflage it against the forest floor, or in fields, and reduced scent trailsâ an ability that allows it to explode from cover while resting, stunning smaller dinosaurs while startling larger ones, and youâve got a pretty solid gimmickâ just hunker down when you see a Troodon and time your flight accordingly. Could also set it up such that the longer you hide, the longer the stun when you finally break cover. That, combined with burrow-entering and maybe some sort of food source-specific buff, like gaining a speed boost when eating photogenic red berries or whatever can provide Ovi with a neat little skill set
still raptor
I honestly think that Oro and Taco are a waste of time for Evrima.
harsh siren
ashen wasp
Theyâre good eating, at least
I WOULD eventually like to see a smalls-only server, where the largest animal is like. A Dryo, or Minmi or something.
still raptor
That's all. They don't provide a specific niche other than 'A quick snack'. Where as, Hypsi and these other small creatures have special niches and abilities to make them viable.
ashen wasp
Maybe an teeny tiny island map where Magys act as the serverâs Brachis
still raptor
That idea is stupid.
ashen wasp
Thank you
still raptor
Mods could do that.
still raptor
modification
ashen wasp
Itâll be available with intensive server options?? Locking certain species, that sort of thing. Though I suppose the map might have to be modded
still raptor
Yes I know that certain servers will have options to make certain dinosaurs playable or ai.
warped tapir
Perks for elder proto:
Blocking burrows reduces more damage but takes more stamina if being attacked
Vice versa, takes less stam reduces less damage
Burrow has occasional edible plant tubers that grow into it, you have less overall food nowPerks for non elder proto:
Universal stuff like improved grazing n such
@covert birch and when you run out of stamina you get knocked back and things can enter your burrow
Maybe an teeny tiny island map where Magys act as the serverâs Brachis
@ashen wasp thatâs called roster splitting
still raptor
That was an idea that Kissen through out. It doesn't mean its going to be added.
ashen wasp
Uh?? Not by default, just a server option, like disabling mercenaries, tribals, strains and the like
still raptor
That will happen.
A server option to disable types of Dinosaurs to make them playable or ai. If it happens with dinosaurs, I'm sure it will happen with the human side as well.
And I'm sure with that, you'll also be able to disable certain creatures.
ashen wasp
Thatâs, ah, what I was saying
oh i do like the idea of Herrera being a cross between a leopard and a shrike, dragging kills up into the trees and impaling them on branches
still raptor
That is also a stupid idea.
ashen wasp
thank you :)
still raptor
Not to mention, super buggy.
flat crypt
I'd love more vibrancy in colour options for skins too. Having some nice blues and greens would be great, and could still be totally natural too. Even some more red reds than just "dull brown"
barren zephyr
Definitely, me too
ashen wasp
mhm-- definitely seconded, perhaps with more variation for animals like Herrera and Ovi, given that theyre explicitly described as being more colorful than most
mellow maple
GIVE ME THAT BEAUTY
patent birch
They deleted the idea D:
narrow ingot
What idea ?đŞ
patent birch
Hey which mod muted the guy?'
knotty sparrow
Probably someone who didnât want them posting it again
flat crypt
trying to silence chubbo dibble smh
knotty sparrow
đ¤¨But what point would theyâre be to the idea?
I donât see how thatâs relevant
flat crypt
Honestly I didn't even see the suggestion so I have no idea. Maybe it had merit
Won't know
patent birch
It was a really cool fat dibble thingy. would have been funny to see ingame
knotty sparrow
My guess is the mod saw it as an insult and deleted it
patent birch
It looked like a picture from a book. How is it an insult?
knotty sparrow
Well I know the devs take their models very seriously
patent birch
Wasn't an ingame model, was some sort of picture
knotty sparrow
I know, but this person wanted them to add that in the game, and Iâm sure they wouldnât do it
patent birch
I'm not sure, but it was a stretch to mute them lmao
frigid cosmos
nooo stop its not realistic đ đ i cant rp!!!!
sick crescent
@brittle rose by how many herbivores and carnivores you can play?
Being able to see the exact dinosaurs being played at a time...
I will have to say a heck no to that one
That sounds not only exploitable, but also just, why?
That spoils some fun element
brittle rose
ty for your feedback. like i said, it was intended for more closed of community's
sick crescent
Ah yes guys which one of these servers has the most <dinosaur> to crusade?
Because those do happen
The community would likely use it...
In basically all of the servers
Intended for closed community use, but the entire community would likely use it
And our official servers are gonna suck, so I donât think doing community servers like that is really a good idea
You could change it to the available roster, but definitely not the dinosaurs being played
I think available roster on server info actually is pretty good globally, official or not
I think being able to see the available dinosaurs would also boost a meta... realism or not
And again, exploitable by apex growers
brittle rose
it feels like you're only looking at the idea with how the game is currently. we have no idea how the devs plan to control apexes or any other features to curb exploitable stuff
pale prairie
it's a neat idea and it'd work on small, private niche servers.
pale prairie
but if you add the options to server settings any unofficial server cou- exactly.
sick crescent
And that is a huge nono
pale prairie
and it'd be terrible on more, uh, well, gameplay focussed servers.
image a system like that on the old TMB servers.
flat crypt
tbh i don't think it would be a super huge problem on servers that have pack limits. So what if there's 20 rexes on if the pack limit is 2. It'd be a nice thing for server owners to enable at least. Probably a bad idea for official lmao
Maybe instead of specific numbers its gives you a vague high/medium/low population of x dino out of total players active
so say there's 50 players on, and only 3 are diablo. diablo would show as low population
a liiitle less exploitable but still tells players what niches might be open
specific numbers might be a bit too much info
sick crescent
Still no
You just explained how to still boost a meta
And also still would be exploitable
lilac swallow
"i hate x Dino, so i Will go to every server with high population of x Dino and play with its counter"
I can see people doing It with utahs and magys
sick crescent
@[SRC]Cerato_Brutus#0091 curious to hear your takes on this
flat crypt
I don't see the harm in it being an option because I'm sure most of the big servers will disable it anyway
sick crescent
Thats a lie
sick crescent
They definitely would, and others would aswell
People would get used to it in their own lil private server
lilac swallow
Isle players really love metas and griefing dinos they dont like
sick crescent
oh hey server owners theres this really cool thing
That too
As I said
Crusade Happen more than youâd think
flat crypt
Good point sometimes I forgot that isle gamers just Be Like That to such an extent
ugh. shame, because it would be a nice feature! As a herbi main itd be nice to know what other herbis are on. But people gotta be people
sick crescent
Its a good idea on paper, but players just arent like that
lilac swallow
"oh this server has lots of magys, i Will call my 4 Friends to all play allos on that server and screw them"
sick crescent
It ruins the fun about finding out
Maybe if it told you how many of your same species are on, but that could also be exploitable
And again
Sparks more metas
Dinosaur Slots will exist
lilac swallow
Yeah just have a friend that plays the Dino you want to target
lilac swallow
Slots Will exist? Since when?
sick crescent
Just join the discord go to like a lfg channel
Or one of the voice chats maybe
Dondi said so last year
They wonât be on official servers though
lilac swallow
Ah ok
flat crypt
Oh I do use lfg from time to time, just a little less convient than seeing "ah ok, theres other maia players on, i can make a maia herd"
But ye I get it
sick crescent
Sounds like a typical player tho
Only play this dino wheres theres people who are it online
lilac swallow
If isle players werent such dicks i would be on board
flat crypt
hjksdf nah i main maia, more that it means i wouldnt be going solo yknow
nice to know if i should be prepared to play more solo or put in the effort to find a group
but yeah. gamers be gamers
sick crescent
Ruins the open world element a bit
flat crypt
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ different strokes for different folks, I wouldn't mind that. but people have different things they want from the game
sick crescent
ÂŻ_(ă)_/ÂŻ different strokes for different folks, I wouldn't mind that. but people have different things they want from the game
@flat crypt you buy the isle for open world survival wot
flat crypt
Yeah, but to me it wouldn't really feel like it's ruining that. While it is an open world game, it's also a multiplayer game that in many ways encourages people to play together, and it's a feature that would play into that to some degree
What I meant more was that to some people it may ruin that immersion a bit, for some it may not. It's still the same game
sudden hinge
Which feedback Azure
sick crescent
Roden's
Yeah, but to me it wouldn't really feel like it's ruining that. While it is an open world game, it's also a multiplayer game that in many ways encourages people to play together, and it's a feature that would play into that to some degree
@flat crypt to be FAIR
You did say you would also metagame with it
sudden hinge
I think itâs a neat idea actually like I donât think it hurts gameplay and it could make picking a server easier for people that want more balanced ecosystems to play on
sick crescent
so inspiring metas and exploiting it doesnt hurt gameplay?
i can respect your opinion
but thats not exactly what its doing
flat crypt
Not sure what about what I said = metagaming?
sudden hinge
A full blown map no I would rather it just be a list of dino species online
flat crypt
It's a feature that would let you know what you could expect to be playing with, hence why is plays into the multiplayer aspect
Certainly don't think anything about my statement indicates id use it for metagaming in particular
sick crescent
most effective tactics available
sudden hinge
I donât think this essential at all to a good game tho as well
sick crescent
play this dino only when theres tons of players actually playing it
sudden hinge
Like itâs neat but the concept could be abused like you are saying azure
flat crypt
tbf that should be encouraged. if theres no apexes, that niche needs to be filled
I mean like im agreeing is the thing azure, i get why it shouldnt be a feature
I'm just saying that for me personally it wouldn't ruin the open world aspect of the game
sick crescent
for you
sudden hinge
Maybe if they just made it like basic like just number of carnivores to herbies it would be less meta
flat crypt
Indeed. Hence my different strokes for different folks comment
sick crescent
a carnivore to herbivore ratio would be interesting
flat crypt
I think the only sort of take on this feature I could see working is number of herbs vs number of carnis on
sudden hinge
Because I would almost always play on the herbie heavy servers
sick crescent
I dont see why there would be a carn to herb ratio though
i would say thats metagaming
but i would have to know what herb youre wanting to play
flat crypt
Yeah and honestly like, I think servers tend to lean more towards carnivores if anything
Carnivores are totally more popular
sudden hinge
Oh I wouldnât want to play herbie I just like when servers have more herbies
It makes it more realistic
sick crescent
okay then thats metagaming
sudden hinge
Yes but like I feel itâs like a different kind of meta gaming
sick crescent
its still a nono
flat crypt
I think that's getting a little bit pedantic. It that still metagaming? sure. But I don't think it's harming the experience
Like trying to eliminate any ability to metagame isn't going to happen, there are always ways
sick crescent
it encourages, thats not necessarily a good thing
esp the direct count one
oh theres lots of utahs on
better go galli or smth
itll be worse with dinosaur slots on
flat crypt
But with a ratio there's not much information you can glean from that. It'd encourage people to metagame I guess but they would get barely any information
sudden hinge
I feel like itâs also very player to player based because like I donât play apexes and would probably stay around the low to mid tier bracket once the game is complete
sick crescent
thats a carn herb ratio
its gonna have to be information
you cant count categories like heavy herb population
then youd get an estimate
flat crypt
It's not much though. Enough to maybe influence a decision a bit, but it's not something that would have a large, in particular negative, impact on gameplay
sudden hinge
Like I mean if it gave you just the direct number of herbivores to carnivores I donât think thatâs too meta
sick crescent
its still information that, like brutus said, almost even abusing it
flat crypt
"Lots of carnivores are on this server so I'm going to play as a carnivore so I can fight better" isn't something that's likely to have any real negative impact on anyone's experience
And again with a ratio there's very little you can glean from it
sudden hinge
Yeah itâs subjective and I do agree with Azurw that people will probably abuse it especially in this game
sick crescent
ACTUALLY
This would be good for admins
ill probably like this suggestion if it was for admins only
WILL PROBABLY?
they WOULD
flat crypt
Hmmm I still don't see how having a herb to carni ratio for players would hugely impact meta
sick crescent
You even kinda said youd abuse it
sudden hinge
It might be I donât see why they wouldnât give it to admins
Yes I would but not for evil
For Cerato
flat crypt
Because it's also down to personal tastes too. Lot's of carnivores on? Well, the herbi I main is better at fighting carnivores. But for someone else they might feel they'd do better as a carnivore (thats just an example, herbi i main is TERRIBLE at fighting lol)
sick crescent
like hecc no
sudden hinge
Now I wouldnât do that tho
flat crypt
But you don't know what herbis are on is the issue
sudden hinge
I wonât be playing any apex other than deino
sick crescent
okay, does the point change? no
flat crypt
No but I don't think trying to smush out any ability to meta whatsoever is necessary
sudden hinge
No it doesnât I just wouldnât be a server threat to the entirety of the herbies online
flat crypt
If anything I think seeing the ratio would help it be balanced in some ways? Lots of herbivores, people go carnivore. Lots of carnivores, people go herbivore
sick crescent
oh guys go to this spot
nah
not how this community is lmao
theyd see lots of carns they go carn
theyd see lots of herbs they go carn
flat crypt
Using your example, if people who see high herbi ratio always go rex, then all of a sudden you have a lot of rexes on and the problem solves itself
sick crescent
its better to keep it anon
then you wouldnt have people going rex in the first place just for it
the game would play itself
like its going to
flat crypt
Honestly though it's so vague I don't see that being a big issue
in particular when we have dino slots
sick crescent
i think there is a counter to the playables actually on server details already
playables in roster
god I hope not how many are it
ill talk to them in boosters if we actually get a ratio
@sudden hinge someone is bringing a good point elsewhere I might as tell you about too
it kinda restricts playables
too much carns might as well move to a different server is another common reason i see
seeing the direct playables is also not good, is restricts playables more
which is what metagaming does
sick crescent
to it not exist
brittle rose
sudden hinge
I can see your point azure I understand that it could be abused
sick crescent
like in character data it says your estimated population for your species
add incentive to stay playing that playable
like a perk to adding onto low population
kill metagaming
I can see your point azure I understand that it could be abused
@sudden hingeI mean you even said how you would
thats my suggestion to change your feedback
make it an estimate to your own species in character menu, and add a perk/incentive to adding on low population estimates
Pachycephalosaurus Population Estimate: Low
brittle rose
i think people will try to meta game regardless of the suggestion. its a video game after all, that coupled being the casual isle community
sick crescent
yes but its ALSO abusable
you have to kill metas when you get the chance
it will happen
adding onto metas like what you said is not a good thing
"oh people will just meta anyway"
thats kinda being oblivious
pEoplE wIlL sTilL TeNonTo ANyWay
oh @brittle rose or change your feedback to admins only
brittle rose
very mature. but i do like your idea of population of estimates, thats nice
sick crescent
im ticked off cause if they do add it, theyre most likely not going to remove it
and we might ALREADY have an actual ratio which is the bad part
I thought it was only how big the available roster was or smth
brittle rose
oh, exciting
flat crypt
I don't think it hurts to add it and see how it affects gameplay though. If they test it and it doesn't have any negative impact, I see no reason to remove it
brittle rose
serps right, as a feature its something that could be removed if it gets added. no worries
honest sparrow
The oldest anarchy server in the isle
sick crescent
if the devs add it
theyll likely gloss over the remove it
like has happened many times before
and not remove it
if they test it?
with what
thats gonna be the longest test ever with the public
honest sparrow
Let us split the roster based on size , but oh yeah weâre still adding deino in update 3 
And stego in update 2
sick crescent
its almost like the roster split, yeah ptera, u r right lol
flat crypt
I mean that just really hammers in how little effect it would have though? If the ratio was something that has a big negative effect on gameplay you'd notice it pretty fast right
sick crescent
with a roster count of 6?
flat crypt
If anything I think that'd be more dramatic, yes
flat crypt
Les dinos mean less options which means higher chances of having the "OP" creature. With stego in game for example, if people see high herbie numbers people would bank on stego
honest sparrow
Or just bank on stego in general
sick crescent
stego isnt op
flat crypt
I mean basically lol
sick crescent
its slow as balls
flat crypt
Yeahh but it's a big dino compared to what we have so far
sick crescent
so?
honest sparrow
It isnât op but itâs a defensive powerhouse once fully grown
sick crescent
we have utahraptor
honest sparrow
Implying you do get it fully grown that is
sick crescent
designed in packs to literally kill large things
youre not supposed to solo the thing with the roster we have now but you can pack hunt it
flat crypt
I think there's a line between negative meta, and information that's useful for gameplay. Because I mean, "information that impacts how you play the game" is basically what meta is. But in that case, should we not be told what each dinos stats are? Cus that sure impacts people's decisions and gameplay styles
honest sparrow
So either A you downgrade stegoâs stats to be more in line with the smalls, or b for fear of stego being underpowered you give it its apex stars
sick crescent
or just add stego
flat crypt
Even as someone who wants to main stego again, I do hope they underpower it a bit until deino is added
Because from the looks of things, it's meant to stand up to apexes. Which leaves the midtiers we have so far in a rough patch against it
honest sparrow
Or they can just either add stego later or add something to counter it now
flat crypt
nooo gimmie my stego 
Though yeah,,, I get why they made it playable not AI, it was basically ready. Does feel weird to have a big herb with no counter though
But cus of that downgrading its stats a bit is fine as a temporary measure imo
honest sparrow
Until deino is added and I get to make fun of everyone who uses it because they canât resist abusing large animals with high damage
flat crypt
If I have to live with poor unbalanced stego in legacy I'm gonna savour the 2 second of it actually being strong đ
sick crescent
you mean slow ass dinosaurs
honest sparrow
Slow ass dinosaur with the funni tail
flat crypt
haha stego go stab
Curious if they're gonna bother balancing stego at all in this update tbh
I mean yeah, lots of people are gonna go stego, but it's not like evrima has a high playerrate atm anyway. Stego is only gonna be OP until the next update and then there will be a counter, kind of
zinc anvil
steggo will be steggo
frigid cosmos
ok synergy
flat crypt
ye thats basically what i was aiming for rick! Some people will prefer press, some people will prefer hold. would be nice for that option to be there
strange wave
it is just now that i am realizing that i am, in fact, an idiot
barren zephyr
Ovi and galli are omnivores
barren zephyr
@atomic karma YES THATS AMAZING FEEDBACK RIGHT THERE
knotty sparrow
Smart Ai makes for good practice in case you encounter a player dino
lament ermine
spino as the third weakest apex
barren zephyr
I mean
Thinking realistically, the isle spino wouldn't be able to fight a rex head on because of it's snout. Neither with a giga. Spinos bite would probably be the weakest out of all of them. But! They are genetically modified, meaning spino could potentially kick ass.
ebon crypt
Didn't Dodi himself say that spino will be defensive on land and offensive in the water? So technically it is the weakest on land if we are going by damage dealt
lament ermine
technically, but considering spino's size i don't think solo gigas or rexes would wanna try and fuck with spino
fucking LOOK at this thing
barren zephyr
I'd just imagine it's bite would be notably weaker than rex or giga
Because well.. look at it
But we also have to consider weight and stuff, i guess
ebon crypt
Also, claws
frigid cosmos
bigger sucho gang
barren zephyr
Big meaty claws
covert birch
Bigger sucho is good
Big Sucho before update 9 is not good as it is immortal amongst the rest of the animals
vast wolf
stego is slow and defensive. deino is water locked. sucho would be decently fast and an absolute brute.
bary would be amazing but it doesn't even have a concept yet meaning its a long way off.
silver zephyr
"It might also be able to hunt stegos if given the chance, so stego wonât be completely invincible." First of all suchos hunting stegos is cursed. Secondly deino can kill em. So while stego is still moslty unctouchable deinos can weed em out over time
vast wolf
and stego is really vulnreable until its at least 50% grown.
even at that size its barely larger than tenonto and kentro.
edgy hamlet
Utah packs will have good chances against young adult stegos, aslong as they play right
And adult stegos wont be agile enough to protect other herbs either so it should be balanced enough
vast wolf
along with the plan for multi species groups to give off a lot of scent as well.
deino is essentially a free grow after 35% unless another deino eats you. stego is really vulnerable for a while.
edgy hamlet
and the balanced about the deino is that it cant really chase after things
so devs are doing good rn
proud coral
Croak that's literally what Deino will do đ
It'll only be able to survive on land long enough to get from one body of water to another
And will automatically fill up on water when swimming
covert birch
@barren zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/706941086630936697/deino.PNG
barren zephyr
that's what I thought :3 thank you for this
I just wanted to get it out there in case it was something else, I'd secretly assumed it'd be like that but I had to be sure
solid wedge
Cool, cause i thgouht that was a good idea and the fact the devs already took care of it is cool
lament ermine
Add apexes cause they're slow, therefor balanced
knotty sparrow
Wait, Deinosuchus canât drink?
Thatâs lame
covert birch
Deino drinks via swimming
But doesnt do the whole hold e to drink thing
silver zephyr
gar
ashen wasp
mhm-- living in the water tends to keep one, uh... hydrated.
barren zephyr
Nonsense
mellow sphinx
Not a fan of free food
paper oriole
Corpses on beach would look cool but yeah free food is lame
If its food only designated scavengers can eat then maybe but handouts like that aren't fun gameplay
flat crypt
I think if it works like herbi grazing it should be ok? Giving very low amounts of food, enough to keep you from starving but that's about it. If you want to actually be full and well fed you'll have to hunt
mellow sphinx
But it doesn't make any sense either, like where tf are these carcasses coming from
analog inlet
Sea life getting beached happens IRL so i don't really see the problem. Like whale carcasses are huge deals for things like polar bears
analog inlet
It could be limited like grazing is as suggested above
Coyotes around my area hang out by the highway for free roadkill
mellow sphinx
If you want to prevent an overpopulation of carnivores then you shouldn't give them free food, and even if it's limited it'll still keep you from starving which essentially makes it easier to survive as a carnivore
analog inlet
If everyone is crowding at the beach for free limited food there will be infighting to be honest
And in that case the herbs could avoid the beach...
It would be super boring to play that way but in this scenario it wouldn't be hurting herb populations if people are just sitting and eating at the beach (especially if it's limited random spawn + little food like suggested)
valid zephyr
@warped tapir most animals don't follow human examples. Male animals don't have deep voices compared in the same way as humans compared to the females.
different types of calls for example birdsong are often a thing though
lilac swallow
It is 90% growth
ebon tiger
i see a lot of people talking about Troodon/Dilo "injecting" their venom, but these animals aren't snakes or insects
take Komodos or Gila Monsters, for examples. their venom is always present in their saliva, and the act of biting transfers the venom into the wound. the more bites, or longer they hold on, the more venom gets into the wound
they also don't "drain" their venom as easily, since it's ever-present in the saliva that coats their teeth and mouth
ebon crypt
While that is true, would dilos hallucinogenic venom really be present in its saliva?
vast wolf
the latching venom thing is pretty interesting but does take away from the light build most venomus animals will have. maybe the longer they are latched the more venom?
although the only venomous lizards do have to chew in their venom.
hoary forum
the latching venom thing is pretty interesting but does take away from the light build most venomus animals will have. maybe the longer they are latched the more venom?
@vast wolf That is mentioned in the message I posted in #general-feedback ^^
i see a lot of people talking about Troodon/Dilo "injecting" their venom, but these animals aren't snakes or insects
take Komodos or Gila Monsters, for examples. their venom is always present in their saliva, and the act of biting transfers the venom into the wound. the more bites, or longer they hold on, the more venom gets into the wound
they also don't "drain" their venom as easily, since it's ever-present in the saliva that coats their teeth and mouth
@ebon tiger Hmm... while I actually really agree with this a lot I'd like to mention
oops i sent that like an idiot ppffftt
let me try again lmao
ebon tiger
@ebon crypt it probably would be in their saliva, aye. unless somehow these dinosaurs have snake fangs or hidden stingers in their mouths, their venom would be mixed into the saliva
ebon crypt
Huh, interesting. Didn't know that hallucinogenic materials can form or be stored in saliva
vast wolf
gila monsters and varanids have venom in their lower jaw which means they have to chew or turn upside down to inject the venom.
ebon tiger
the effects of the venom wouldn't really affect the delivery system
hoary forum
*I'd like to mention that The Isle hasn't exactly gone for accuracy (I know, the age old excuse), and if you'd read my message closer, you would realise that the word 'injecting' is used just as a placeholder, couldn't really think of another word at the time to get across my meaning ;-;
To be more accurate it would probably be 'gnawing' to be honest.
Trying to salivate into the wound as much as possible to get their saliva to mingle with the bloodstream.
But we also don't know if the devs have confirmed if dilo and troodon will have fangs (who knows, they might) or just stinky bad salvia lol
vast wolf
the dilevery system affects the dosage and how its injected not the venom itself.
hoary forum
But gameplay wise, do you think it's an interesting concept? Can't say how it would work since Dilo wouldn't really be viable to copy how Utahraptor latches onto it's prey on its back.
While possibly troodon could leap, latch and bite/inject venom, dilo doesn't strike me as a creature who could gracefully pull it off lol.
Does getting dragged around while you got a mouthful of tento ass sound like fun? Idk
vast wolf
maybe it just uses its jaws to slice into it.
random imp
Stop bringing up the Anky drama.
silver zephyr
vast wolf
troos kit is already pretty overloaded as is. it doesn't need mimicry. ovi could make use of it better and it deviates its kit from galli a lot more.
silver zephyr
yeah
only thing i agree with is that it fits troos aesthetic more but the fucker is already scary af with its base calls
vast wolf
^
troo would be downright broken with mimicry
two ovis could coordinate their calls where one distracts the mother and the other takes 2 eggs.
silver zephyr
well i wouldnt say broken. just no reason for it and would be better on another animal
also i would argue mimicry fits ovi aesthetic wise aswell cause of birds mimicing calls irl
and ovi is very bird like in appearance
vast wolf
ovis skin looks to be based on a cassowary.
neat knot
ovi with cassowary burps
silver zephyr
yeah, but its still reminiscent of other birds. gives me parrot vibes
vast wolf
ovi should reward you for being cunning. troodon seems to be going for a horde style of combat.
silver zephyr
vast wolf
and excelent night vision not being an ability is pretty small minded. night vision likely wont be like legacy stuff but even still dilo was broken at night with it.
silver zephyr
having good night vision is a pretty big ability. having better vision at a certain time gives you a major edge against others
vast wolf
^
both for survival and combat
even if nights look like they did in the hope trailer having better vision in that kind of light would be really strong.
pallid acorn
Could someone let me know if and why my ovi suggestion is a good or bad idea?? Looking for insight plz
vestal rune
uhhh isn't troodon already planned to have mimicry?
silver zephyr
uhhh isn't troodon already planned to have mimicry?
yes. says it on the roadmap but some including myself want ovi to have it
vestal rune
ah
silver zephyr
Could someone let me know if and why my ovi suggestion is a good or bad idea?? Looking for insight plz
ovi is an omnivore. most of those things make it sound like it cant eat plants
wait
pallid acorn
ovi is an omnivore. most of those things make it sound like it can eat plants
@silver zephyr Ooooh okay, thank you ^^ so it will be able to eat meat anyway
silver zephyr
yeah
pallid acorn
Nevermind then lol. It was made with the thought that ovi could only eat eggs
ebon crypt
Pretty sure that everything will be able to eat eggs, it's just that ovi is supposed to be specialized for it, which is mostly why people want ovi to have mimicry
silver zephyr
also so troos kit isn't bloated
pallid acorn
ebon crypt
Did they actually give us any info about how ovi is supposed to be better at stealing eggs by the way?
silver zephyr
no
dreamy wharf
Nope.
ebon crypt
So, basically, all we know is "Ovi is good at stealing eggs because, fuckin- shut up. Just take our word for it"?
dreamy wharf
Lmfao, yeah.
low canopy
just give it legacy herra levels of speed and call it a day
flat crypt
At the very least considering it's size and shape it probably will be very fast. Buuut "very fast and eats eggs, how uniq- oh galli eats eggs now?"
I'm also team ovi mimicry. While mimicry fits the ~aesthetic~ of troodon more, mimicry is the PERFECT ability to go with ovi's egg stealin
silver zephyr
@languid cairn 1. Hypsi spits up stomach acid not venom. 2. Hypsi being faster than utah would be absurd due to its size and kit. 3. Climbing was already deconfirmed for hypsi. 4. Filipe posted an image of hypsi in a tree so hypsi can jump onto em.
glass quail
Liking @brittle rose idea of population Indication.
Feels it like will allow people to pick servers they can thrive in, and create more diverse servers.
Not sure about the comments suggesting this will be an exploit, or abusable mechanic.
If anything it might help highlight imbalances in the game.
barren zephyr
@edgy hamlet already getting solved in the next patch. You will be able to bite flesh out of the body.
mint urchin
Because standing in slow moving elbow-deep water is so tiring.
It's a tactic. Hunt better.
ashen wasp
more open forests would be interesting if they were rarer than the denser jungles on the island-- it's supposed to be tropical, or so i think, and it would provide less cover for smaller animals.... and having grass growing within the treeline would allow herbivores to graze with less risk.... so. maybe not the most functionally or aesthetically compelling idea. still would be nice, though
frosty beacon
Oh oop
paper oriole
virgin frilled hyper dilo <<<<< chad hooded tissoplastic dilo
frigid cosmos
thee
thorn glacier
you do make a good point
paper geyser
yes
barren zephyr
projectile porcupine
mellow sphinx
@fringe surge you can leave the group to stop people seeing you
ik thats not fixing the bug itself but its a temporary solution that works for me
sick crescent
Not sure about the comments suggesting this will be an exploit, or abusable mechanic.
If anything it might help highlight imbalances in the game.
@glass quail for that the game will do itself, its abusable because of what you just said lmao
Literally everyone who agreed with it has said basically theyâd use it to metagame in some way
knotty sparrow
What the, why is Deino so small?
sick crescent
Lmao
Even with 12m Deino people still gonna call it small, like lets be real here
Actually I think they already have
âThat size donât do Deino justice stillâ
digital bone
He just a flat man
digital bone
Big boy but not tall
sick crescent
Tall and Long, but lack Bulk
sick crescent
Everyone: Dude those types of dinosaurs do exist though, look at Galli!
Tenonto exists: Wtf, its so stupidly oversized it actually ruins the game
knotty sparrow
A giant croc is not suppose to be dwarved by a Tenonto
wild stone
Dwarved? Really...? That croc looks like it could snap that thing's neck... what's the issue?
sick crescent
Probably expecting the thing to be as big as like Trike
rocky iris
please on legacy add a setting option to automatically decline nest invites
@foggy bolt
They don't plan on doing anything with Legacy branch, Evrima will replace legacy so there's no point for the devs to touch legacy unless there's hackers.
knotty sparrow
Legacy is not the focus anymore
rocky iris
Exactly
still raptor
They'll update Legacy to try to get rid of the hacking issue. With how unreliable the code is, I wouldn't be surprised if they break the game completely.
vast wolf
that moment when legacy shant is modeled after edmontosaurus and edmontosaurus is almost as big as shant anyway.
silver zephyr
flint root
Mmm yes lets have magy be hella fast because thats sooo realistic for a sauropod
sick crescent
Oh
lofty pagoda
an
sick crescent
Lets see how they defend metagaming/abusing
silver zephyr
havent we seen magys run?
sick crescent
I at least hope its not a âits a smart thing to doâ type of argument
flint root
Magys run is a gallop
sick crescent
Playing the meta
Almost
Oh wait
The seeing everyones specific dinosaur theyâre playing and using it to your advantage
vestal rune
oh
sick crescent
Veterans already said a fat No to that one
vestal rune
I'd actually kinda like it for realism servers
vestal rune
but any other type of server it would be stupid
sick crescent
Pure Realism servers its good
But other servers would use it aswell
Gameplay servers would use it
vestal rune
idk if they're using it then they're shit servers
sick crescent
I mean
Thatâs basically saying every community server is a shit server
Now
You are 80% correct
So that is yet another veteran who agrees with that
Its always the veteran players that say No
Why only 
vestal rune
probably because they see how people will find every little loophole to exploit it and ruin the game for others
this is why we can't have nice things
sick crescent
Imagine wanting to play Hypsi in the future
On even a small server
Some guy wants to log in, sees theres a hypsi
Now that hypsi wont leave their mind
Theyâre most likely go hunting for said hypsi, almost kinda like
Apex Players would LOVE this though Firefish
Im sure you know why apex players would LOVE this
Not only see if theres more herbivores or carnivores on
But ALSO what herbivores or carnivores they are
So just choose a server with more smalls than apexes
Grow them on these servers
And log in when you see far more smalls than normal type thing
Youâll know whats common and whats not
Etc
vestal rune
I forgot but are they planning to be able to have multiple dinos on one server?
sick crescent
On paper it sounds nice
vestal rune
because if that is the case then that would be even worse, since you can just switch dinos depending on the server population
glass quail
@sick crescent
If seeing a server population composition is a big problem, there is already a balance problem.
The problem is not with this mechanic, but this mechanic might highlight balance problems problems.
I donât see the issue with giving players the option to consider the balance of the server composition and making a species choice based on it.
Also, I am not sure if you are fundamentally misunderstanding the idea, the idea was not to show exactly how much of what is being played or who is playing it. It seemed to me it was a mechanic aimed at giving indication to whatâs being played, and what niches might be open on the server.
silver zephyr
i think i remember amarok on stream mentioning they had the idea for several server slots iirc
sick crescent
No
The first paragraph already doesnt exist, but I can get where youâre coming from
I donât support global metas
But server sided metas will exist
Because custom rosters
Rules
Etc
You will still know whatâs common and whats not at that point in time
Theres no way that wont change constantly in the future with our larger than legacy survival roster by Update 8
ashen wasp
I was under the impression that Magyarosaurus's poison would not be contact/damage based, but rather ingested-- in other words, it would be a toxic source of food. while that's all well and good for discouraging carnivores (Apart from Cerato) from hunting Magy as a food source, it does nothing to actually protect it from animals that would otherwise outrun and overpower Magy, as Alberto, Allo, and other such midtiers are likely to do. This is why I believe it's been said by the devs that Magyarosaurus will have an extra defense beyond just grody meat, which we don't know anything about at this time but I for one cannot wait to see.
paper oriole
11/10 acro feedback
ashen wasp
it's. it's a work of art. at times i couldn't even tell it was satire
queen mortar
â¤ď¸
paper oriole
however, this is one flaw in your redesign, your accro is slimmer but you also made his legs shorter which would make him too slow to catch everything on the island
honest sparrow
Beautiful
languid crown
now that is a peak specimen
still raptor
That wasn't on Ingen's list....
silver zephyr
locked health moment
low dock
I wanted to add something about how the locked health is a good first step but I ran out of characters
queen mortar
@paper oriole youre a god
ashen elm
I really like locked health but it still needs some tweaking.
brittle rose
@sick crescent
I just wanna say thanks for making my idea such a hot topic. Its nice to see the general conversation around it, hopefully it can be improved upon with the feed back I've seen.
You say people will use my idea to "meta game". Now, if I remember rightly people are already doing that by letting each other know the current state of servers. You can see it in the server text channels, (don't go here on X server because there's X amount of rexes). So I dont think my idea will effect things much. Also I feel like you're only looking at the idea with the game in its current version/past versions. We have NO idea whats future plans the devs have or how it will effect apexs. We don't even know how humans will effect things yet. :')
Side note , I've been playing since late 2015 (so not long after the game came out. I think) So i think that makes me a veteran player to ? So please don't think the idea came from someone who's been playing for five minute
glass quail
Yeah, this idea just seems to be a Quality of Life improvement if anything. Especially if people are already using discord to replicate the same function.
This change will likely help break down the meta, and create more diverse servers.
brittle rose
I mean, I've seen it lol
sick crescent
Not even sure you can do that besides checking what dinosaurs people end up buying
Its discord though
No one is gonna be going through every major discord looking at everyoneâs dinosaurs you know how much conmands and work youâd have to do
The servers like TISP with Public Consoles arenât exactly gameplay servers
That chance Richard said will boost a meta
People will see the common dinosaurs, and follow suit with a dinosaur that is good against it
If theres lots of Tenontos, feeling a Utahraptor today
Just as a minor example
Others in isle discussion even said theyâd do the exact same thing
ashen wasp
I like the idea of Velociraptor being a good beginner carnivore, but I must say I loathe the idea of it being semi/unfeathered. Fluff or bust, guys, who even likes scaly Velo??
compact hare
velo with feathers
barren zephyr
tbh I like it
I prefer accuracy completely but
utahraptor and galli are naked, so it may as well be
what I don't understand is austroraptor also having feathers, while every other closely related animal has none
vast wolf
because austro has always had feathers in game.
barren zephyr
like I know it's supposed to be like jurassic park and the dinosaurs are genetically altered
vast wolf
and it looks good for the animal.
barren zephyr
agree to disagree
I mean, I think it does. but I think it would for utah and velo too
I just want more accurate dinosaurs in general
vast wolf
there will most likely be a feathered option in the future.
ashen wasp
here's hoping
barren zephyr
My alternative for velo was if you devs dont want it to look like a chicken they can only put feathers in certain parts of the body, to give a more sci fi version
glass quail
But i am not sure what the issue is with seeing the population you want to join. So you want to play a Utah, what's wrong with Joining a server you think you might thrive on.
These match ups exist anyway. What is wrong with seeking them out.
Also the Idea was never to say exactly how much of what is being played. I could even be numbers based species played over the Hour.
There are loads of ways to make this feature work, and the only downsides i really see are that it might help show other parts of the game that are unbalanced or exploitable.
barren zephyr
My option A: feathered velo
glass quail
Your argument against this idea really is boiling down to, 'Giving players more info will let them abuse balance issues'
barren zephyr
Option B:semi feathered
queen mortar
if it's partially feathered it has to look at least intentional, none of that Ark bullshit
lilac swallow
Your argument against this idea really is boiling down to, 'Giving players more info will let them abuse balance issues'
@glass quail i think is a valid reason
They should try to stop player from abusing shit instead of helping to abuse
ashen wasp
a nice orange amber color would be nice for the footprint scent-- it would tie in quite nicely with the scent cue denoting large groups of animals and have the added bonus of not making it appear as though my Utahraptor is soiling itself as it strolls through the forest
ebon crypt
Or have the scent color somewhat customizable. Would help people with general seeing problems, like color blindness, to
outer condor
Scent color is gonna be customizable
ebon crypt
Confirmed?
glass quail
@lilac swallow
Ideally remove or balance broken aspects of the game.
As mentioned, you can use discord to abuse the game in the way you are worried about. Anyone wanting to use this to try and abuse the game is far more likely to go through the effort of using Discord to do it.
Your just holding back a QOL Feature from Genuine players while failing to prevent anything XD
lilac swallow
Discord will never tell you exactly how many dinos there are, also, the mere fact that it's a thing in game increases the number of people trying to abuse it, people are lazy if they have to use discord to abuse half of them won't do it, but if the game simply gives them the info they will do it
vast wolf
lost of people use discord. especially when hunting.
also discord itself wont tell you but someone in the call can scout it out
lilac swallow
Is still harder and requires actual effort instead of just going "oh this server has tons of dilos I will log my Maia in and fuck them"
vast wolf
species name should not be given out. nor should any location except your own. but you should be able to see time of day player count and current player location hunger thirst ect.
seeing 200/250 players on legacy gives you a general population density but does not give you any information that can be used for your advantage.
unless you want a low population server.
lilac swallow
Is like saying that there should be inter species chat just because discord exist
seeing 200/250 players on legacy gives you a general population density but does not give you any information that can be used for your advantage.
@vast wolf I'm not against this
ebon crypt
Which suggestion are we talking about here?
vast wolf
no clue
silver zephyr
rodens one
ebon crypt
silver zephyr
vast wolf
assumed it was about the new ui on amar0cks stream
ebon crypt
eeh, not a fan. I'm fine with more info about servers being displayed before entering a server or something, but being able to see how many of each dinosaur there is seems iffy to me
vast wolf
^ abuseable
ebon crypt
Which part
vast wolf
being able to see the number of a species of animal before you join.
ebon crypt
What, no, I didn't mean that
vast wolf
player count is fine and pretty balanced. not too revealing but allows you to gauge things.
azure wadi
Herbis to carnis maybe?
vast wolf
even that is pretty eh.
lilac swallow
"I hate magys so I will raid every server with magys and kill them all"
vast wolf
^exactly
ebon crypt
I meant minor details, maybe being able to see the time of day, but even that is slightly eh. I should've specified before, I just suck at wording things
vast wolf
thats why its a no go. people wont play or will target some servers
azure wadi
even that is pretty eh.
I donât want to join a server where carnis out number herbis 10 to 1
lilac swallow
Time of day would be nice
ebon crypt
Or server details, like how long the server has been up for, stuff like that
vast wolf
I donât want to join a server where carnis out number herbis 10 to 1
good luck finding a server then.
Time of day would be nice
thats planned.
azure wadi
Itll be easier to find one if I have those details, thatâs why I suggested it
vast wolf
one of Amar0cks streams talks about it.
ebon crypt
If the devs manage to make herbis fun and balanced, then I hope the carni to herbi ratio can balance out a bit
arctic nimbus
amar0ck
vast wolf
being able to see a population of species is easily abuseable.
lilac swallow
Also, if everyone goes to the herbi server literally every other server would be only carni, while the herbi server would have no predators
You should have no player related info at all, except the number of players
lilac swallow
Yeah, it sucks for decent players to not have qa things but it sucks more when dicks abuse these
ebon crypt
The only details that could be useful to know before entering a server is: number of players (how it is now, no herbi to carni ratio), server uptime, the creature that you were playing as before you left the server and maybe time of day, though that could also be abusable a bit
lilac swallow
Time of day is not really that abusable I can allways log in and logout 60 seconds later if it's night and I'm diurnal
ebon crypt
True, but, you know, something doesn't sit right with me with that idea
vast wolf
its intended to be time of day your character info hunger growth location ect. and then server uptime is planned i think.
lilac swallow
Is not that necessary and at the same time not that abusable
vast wolf
night time is only abuseable in two ways. nocturnal's can log in diurnals can choose not to.
lilac swallow
And even them diurnals can just logout 60 seconds after joining a server
ebon crypt
Also, how would knowing the population of certain dinosaur species be good for realism servers? Like Roden said in their suggestion
vast wolf
i want to see how many trikes there are so i can hunt them with my rex.
or moderation purposes which could be part of the admin hud in game.
ebon crypt
As an admin power it doesn't seem too bad
paper geyser
about magy, even if it can run faster than its predators it will look ridiculous while doing so, and there is no way in hell that thing can reasonably fend off allos
ashen wasp
hey, it's getting some ability that'll apparently help with self-defense. we dont know, maybe itll be atomic breath
ebon crypt
Atomic puke magy
ashen wasp
acid blood-- it's not immune
oh! or skeleportation
the ability to teleport only its skeleton
ebon crypt
Skeleportation? So it just leaves everything, but only its skeleton teleports?
That's great
ashen wasp
yes
vast wolf
maybe it can jump like hypsi and land in a tree.
azure wadi
Make Magy 300 ft tall, have giant glowing plates on its back and breath atomic fire, boom viable
pallid acorn
about magy, even if it can run faster than its predators it will look ridiculous while doing so, and there is no way in hell that thing can reasonably fend off allos
@paper geyser This ^^^ cerato (it's supposed "equal") runs much faster. How do you expect a whole ass sauropod to run from it since it can't hide or fight
civic carbon
biped magy
vast wolf
magy is confirmed to have insane cc but that wont help it with allo or alberto.
paper geyser
cc?
silver zephyr
crowd control
paper geyser
ah
silver zephyr
stuns and what not
sand oar
CC?
ebon crypt
Unless it can time its attacks perfectly, but even then, the sheer impact from a sprinting allo would knock that thing over before it could knock over the allo
vast wolf
stuns knockdowns slows flings.
glass quail
Well i think the idea was not there to show you the EXACT number of people playing what species, but to give a composition idea.
I mean what is wrong with wanting to see roughly how much viable prey is available before you jump on with your Rex?
vast wolf
yeah allo and alberto are about 3x magys weight.
civic carbon
because that's very abusable lol
glass quail
Why shouldn't you be able to have an idea of what Herds are being played before you decided to join them.
pallid acorn
It may be able to take a cerato, who knows. Even if it bodies cerato, every other carnivore that would sensibly go after it are much bigger
civic carbon
because that's not the point of the game lol
vast wolf
Why shouldn't you be able to have an idea of what Herds are being played before you decided to join them.
because this can be abused for scouting and makes it really easy to hunt things.
even bary will likely beat magy up.
glass quail
I still do not get why,
By saying it is abuseable you are just saying the game is currently abusable?
If there are Balance issues that this Mechanic can Abuse, it is not the Mechanic that is the problem.
civic carbon
the mechanic itself is abusable
vast wolf
if your able to see what species and how many of that species are on a server people could just avoid the server or there could be a random influx of rexes that kill off everything over and over.
civic carbon
the fact that a rex fan decide "we'll i'm gonna avoid this" because there are x amount of gigas
vast wolf
mental sleet
Basically, it applies an indirect pressure on players for them to avoid joining certain servers.
You could see 20 rexes on one server.
ALL of them juveniles
you wouldn't care
you'd avoid this server.
vast wolf
its just unhealthy for the game in general and a bad idea for balance.
mental sleet
you know better.
vast wolf
what is your argument defending it being put in then?
if you dont think it will ruin the balance and health of the game.
glass quail
But again, your looking at this like the idea is telling you exactly how much of what there is.
But thats not really core to the idea.
Giving an idea of what Populations are high or low could help people better pick a server.
paper geyser
you mean showing how many herbs/carnis there are?
ebon crypt
Yeah, but what does that still apply to specific species? Tiers? Diet systems? What does it give you a rough estimate of?
civic carbon
that still doesn't make it any better lol
paper geyser
it makes it a lot better than seeing which species are on
civic carbon
the whole point of the game is to survive. you're not supposed to expect anything
glass quail
i think it would be good to put in as it could help show what spots are open. And avoid going into situations you might find boring.
And i dont know, there is a few ways it could be implemented
paper geyser
tbf it already happens, if someone joins a server and sees there are too many/too little of something they'll leave. This only speeds up that process
glass quail
Maybe it could indicate how many Herds there are of some species, or maybe give an idea of large packs that might exist.
glass quail
I think there are loads of ways this could be implemented other than 'THERE ARE 20 REXES ON THIS SERVER' ect
vast wolf
so its an extra security net that ruins the ecosystem and the health of the game.
glass quail
? not sure why your saying ruin.
I mean what do you guys want? I would like more diverse servers where more species are played. I am guessing that is something most people would enjoy
edgy hamlet
@real kraken Herra isnt actually that small, its almost Utahraptor sized, but yeah small ai would be good for the very small ones
lilac swallow
Also griefing and targeting those server that has more of x Dino you hate
glass quail
You saying this would ruin the game, is like saying everyone is going to see this and play the game wrong.
civic carbon
because it defeats the purpose of the game lol
vast wolf
even if its 2% of the population it can still ruin the game.
civic carbon
you're not supposed to expect shit
lilac swallow
You haven't played isle enough if you think most people won't do this
glass quail
What's wrong with that?
If i want to play an Allo and only hunt a specific dino why shouldn't I?
silver zephyr
Tbh I like the thrill of getting on a server and not really knowing what is there.
brittle rose
Also, how would knowing the population of certain dinosaur species be good for realism servers? Like Roden said in their suggestion
@ebon crypt
Yo,
I think i said it in my description. It would help us choose what to play to help balance the servers ecosystem. Believe it it or not, there are people who will play things that will make the game fun for other players
lilac swallow
Players in general love to grief other players, specially survival game players
brittle rose
Thats sad to hear
civic carbon
so then, that's where choosing what dinosaurs are available comes in
vast wolf
What's wrong with that?
If i want to play an Allo and only hunt a specific dino why shouldn't I?
because that means that whoever is playing that dino is being targeted and has to either log or die in most situations.
glass quail
Okay, your free to like that? I am sure servers with this option could be turned off.
civic carbon
choose a server that has magy and cerato enabled and go
vast wolf
its not something anyone would want on official.
ebon crypt
Maybe, but relying on the players to balance something out the way they think is right won't always end up the way you want. I know that there are a lot of good players, but there are also a lot of dicks
lilac swallow
In legacy, for example, if I wanted to play trike I would go a server with no rexes, and every other trike player too, but the the trike population would skyrocket and everyone would be inmortal as nothing but Rex can challenge trikes
glass quail
They are being target anyway,
I can go on any server now and hunt a specific species
paper geyser
yeah true, player-controlled ecosystems never work out well
someone will abuse it one day or another
civic carbon
so why would a needless, handholding mechanic change that lol
glass quail
I mean here is an example, just answer this
Would you pick to play on a diverse server if you could?
lilac swallow
You are supposed to make targeting harder not easier
civic carbon
at least without it you have to actually actively look for it
lilac swallow
I would, but diverse servers simply wouldnt appear, everyone is too meta focused and will allways only play op shit or shit that counters said op shit
surreal hemlock
I personally like @fair fable 's idea of being able to help a teammate getting pounced without killing the teammate...
I don't know why it's getting negative feedback.
glass quail
ok, so YOU would play on diverse servers, but no one else would.
I don't think we are special, i think a lot of players would want to play on diverse servers.
It is like your assuming that your the only one who wants to play properly, and everyone else wants to abuse it.
This mechanic can be used to try and abuse the game, but only in the SAME way Discord can already be used to play the game.
lilac swallow
There would be maybe 1 or 2 servers like that, but is a matter of time some dicks decide to break said balance
civic carbon
good thing discord isn't something the isle dev team controls
glass quail
Your arguing to hold back a QOL improvement because because the community isn't ready XD
civic carbon
it's more unnecessary handholding then anything
lilac swallow
We don't get many qol things due to player behavior wouldn't be the first time
glass quail
i can see how this might be seen as hand holding
lilac swallow
For example, we are not getting Dino slots for the simply reason people will abuse it
glass quail
i wouldn't find it too hand holding.
civic carbon
it's very handholding
glass quail
You think it is very handholding*
lilac swallow
It is
civic carbon
you don't get to actually experience the game as a rex, because you can just avoid any possible threat
glass quail
I don't think something out of game is particularly intrusive.
lilac swallow
"I won't play this server it has 1 of x Dino and x Dino counter mine, I won't risk dying even if it's a low chance I'm finding said x Dino"
glass quail
And you migth get lucky and find a server that has no rex predators,
But once again, i have said i do not think this idea would work with a species counter.
I think there is a smart way this could be implemented
civic carbon
how would that be
glass quail
I think if implemented right, it would just lead to less unbalanced servers, and more diverse environments.
Not sure,
Mayne something that would indicate that populations are generally high or low. I am sure there are a lot of ways it could be done.
lilac swallow
In a perfect world where people play the survival game like a survival game instead of like a trophy hunting battle Royale I wouldn't be against the idea but almost every player here just plays to kill, specially those dinos they don't like
ashen wasp
really?? i dont think ive ever encountered the idea of targeting based off of species before
civic carbon
magy