It was intentional to make it run faster
#general-feedback-discussion
vast wolf
making anky have a dip in its back is horrible for everything.
valid musk
I sorta fixed the Acro what do you guys thing?
paper oriole
it still wont run fast enough to escape its inevitable demise
paper oriole
extend neck
vast wolf
it ruins its armor by making it easier to grab and it basically does nothing for horizontal flexation.
silver dagger
I like the ones that make it even spikier though.
valid musk
Yeah I saw one earlier that was way more spiky
paper oriole
making anky slimmer just makes it easier for spino to flip it because the devs hate herbis
silver dagger
Elder acro better be spiky as all hell.
valid musk
@vast wolf @digital bone and @vast heart made much cooler Acro edits though
vast heart
Huh thanks
lilac swallow
Same
paper oriole
long leg spino is always gross
vast wolf
i didnt make any acro edits. martin made one for sure.
paper oriole
dude lookin like bary with a sail
mellow maple
That's just a compromise to make it fit or whatever
vast wolf
lilac swallow
Bary with a sail is better than giga with a sail we are getting, at least is an spinosaurid
vast heart
I made this one
silver dagger
What if they trolled us and new spino is actually a Magnaspino or something.
vast wolf
lmao fat spoon.
valid musk
I love your Acro reminds me of the old one
mellow maple
that'd be a fucking a good ass prank
vast heart
Thanks
vast wolf
yeah your acro is the best so far.
silver dagger
I just don't feel like the new spino flows into the hyper well, or the neuro. Especially not the neuro.
valid musk
I sorta like thick Arcos but skinny ones are fine too
mellow maple
It does the exact opposite of what it was intended to do
valid musk
I want to see upgrades to all the hypers
vast wolf
new spino looks pretty bad. its just monsterfied for no reason.
paper oriole
wish we got mor elike this ):
valid musk
It’s probably so it could be more viable
mellow maple
I can still excuse the tail
vast wolf
yeah taps spino is good.
valid musk
Yeah Tap does great work
mellow maple
But yes, that would've been cool af
paper oriole
he's got better legs, cooler sail, cooler tail, cooler head
valid musk
I don’t really mind the new spino though
vast wolf
another tap concept.
paper oriole
herbis will never get anything cool like that ):
silver dagger
That's a JW hybrid lol
valid musk
Yeah
silver zephyr
jwe one is vile
mellow maple
Oh fucckk
They've only ever introduced 3 original ones
and only of them is objectively good
one of them is kinda weird
the other is bad
valid musk
I would actually like hybrids in The Isle
silver zephyr
im assuming the good one is spinoraptor... fuck
valid musk
But we already have hypers and other strains
paper oriole
i wish herbivores got literally any worthwhile unique thing
silver dagger
Isle hybrids would be a decent mod though.
vast wolf
spinoraptor looks infinitely better then the first idderation for jwtg
mellow maple
The last one is so fucking stupid, I've seen attempts at replacing him with shunosaurus
Easily got the most revamps
vast wolf
yeah every herbivore in jwe is bad.
silver zephyr
paper oriole
ew
vast wolf
goat face
valid musk
Get that ugly trash away
mellow maple
valid musk
What is that face?!
vast wolf
quick bury it
paper oriole
i scream but god doesnt answer
valid musk
NOOOO
vast wolf
looks like a high camel.
valid musk
I want taps
mellow maple
Y'know what fine, I should be nicer to stylized dinos
vast wolf
camels been smoking weed again.
silver dagger
Hybrids....wouldn't be good in base game lol
mellow maple
...
vast wolf
hypsi is just oro but viable.
paper oriole
lmao thats disgusting i love it
valid musk
Yeah I like stylized dinosaurs but Acro should not as fat as it is
silver dagger
I knew what I did was wrong when I did it haha.
mellow maple
You are legit one of my favorite paleo artists I've ever seen
silver zephyr
good hybrid
vast wolf
good stylized dinosaurs. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/773928394123247636/Herrerasaurus.jpeg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/773928107270733854/Magyarosaurus.jpeg
paper oriole
ew magy
valid musk
I love Dewlaps
silver zephyr
crack addict herrera is based
paper oriole
that herrera is straight sexy tho
valid musk
Magy’s only defense happens after it’s dead
silver dagger
I'm probably just overreacting to the concept art for alberto, I love every model Jake makes so I'm sure it'll be fine.
valid musk
How will tasting bad help you from not being killed for fun?
vast wolf
bad stylized dinosaurs.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/773690654475157514/Acro.png
paper oriole
people are just gonna kos magy for shits and giggles
valid musk
Yeah
paper oriole
people will probably even kill it out of spite
vast wolf
tbf its going to be hard for most of the roster to take down magy.
valid musk
Amargo would be much better
paper oriole
i woulda liked bajada or ampelo
vast wolf
carno can be avoided by fleeing to the jungle, cerato looks to be a 50/50 and deino is only a threat at the water.
ampelo is like 6 tons.
at least.
paper oriole
allosaurus incoming
valid musk
When Apexes come the magy is dead
paper oriole
albertosaurus incoming
vast wolf
bajada is a bit haevier than magy.
paper oriole
utahraptor packs incoming
salty herbivores like me who would like to kill magy out of spite incoming
paper oriole
playing stego "yeah i'll protect you" instant thagomizer to the face
valid musk
Yes
vast wolf
everyone kill magy as homalo 
paper oriole
break magy's toes
valid musk
Omfg yes
tepid gate
How will Magy survive an attack from a tenonto though?
vast wolf
probably knock it over.
valid musk
Dryo army incoming
tepid gate
It's almost twice larger and can do just fine in the forest
paper oriole
it'll slap it with its neck sack
vast wolf
tenonto is only 400 kilograms heavier irl but in game tenonto is massive.
tepid gate
knock over an animal close to twice its size? Not to mention Tenonto might be getting a knockdown as well
silver zephyr
I mean do they balance dinos around herbi vs herbi? idk myself
tepid gate
I mean - they should
valid musk
When the venomous dinosaurs come that will be amazing
vast wolf
they could but dont really.
paper oriole
herds will only keep magy around as a meat shield sacrifice
tepid gate
Because I sure as hell would kill another herbivore if I felt like it while playing a herbivore
vast wolf
for food i can see that happening.
tepid gate
Matter of fact I did it once in Evrima although it was because the other Tenonto was mixpacking with raptors
paper oriole
i'll probably just spite kill magys as herbi, the rest are fine for what they are
tepid gate
And since the Tenonto decided to defend the raptors - onto the chopping block it went
vast wolf
minmi about to eat some troodon wings.
valid musk
Wait a minute?
paper oriole
would be cool if magy got something like a camo ability when it stood still and used the crouch key
so it ould escape into forests and then camo from faster predators
but na w/e it'll just taste bad that's totally viable
valid musk
Isn’t rugops coming?
vast wolf
were not 100% sure but probably.
silver zephyr
🤢 rugops
paper oriole
rugops is cute
valid musk
Yeah
vast wolf
rugops plateo styraco and a diplodocid are all possible but not confirmed at all yet.
valid musk
Oh
vast wolf
pachyrhino is confirmed for far in the future.
paper oriole
i still want my platypus plateo
tepid gate
I suggested an idea for Magy where it would excrete poison coating its hide with it and discouraging the predators from attacking it
valid musk
Wait is hypsilophodon the third venomous animal or is it something else?
silver zephyr
hypsi isnt venomous
tepid gate
If they were to attack it regardless the poison would eventually knock them out putting them to sleep
Megalania is most likely the third venomous animal
silver zephyr
yes
tepid gate
At some point, probably not any time soon though
valid musk
Also is the Hyper Rex the only hyper getting upgraded?
I heard it’s all of them but I’m not sure
paper oriole
i hope hyper spino keeps his design it's pretty hot
valid musk
Yeah I like how it walks on both all fours and two legs
paper oriole
if only we got badass short leg normal spino so he could knuckle walk too
paper oriole
they dont have strains planned for ptera?
valid musk
Idk
paper oriole
pretty sure omnis and herbis are getting absolutely nothing too tho lol
paper oriole
yeah herbis dont even get flyers or semiaquatics while carnis get so much more + strains
lilac swallow
Also I think all dinosaurs should have hyper forms
@valid musk or even better, no one getting hypers because is a shit concept
paper oriole
it would be cool if herbivores got their own unique strain based on the strain plants
valid musk
Isn’t Minmi is going to be semiaquatic
paper oriole
beipi is omni
lilac swallow
Yeah
paper oriole
but if minmi is confirmed semiaquatic thats neat i suppose
unless he's also omni lol
lilac swallow
You said "nor herbis nor omnis"
valid musk
I don’t think any herbivorus dinosaurs flew or glided
paper oriole
there were some small ones but thatd be boring
paper oriole
they could make a fruit bat tupan if they are so willing to stylize
valid musk
That sounds cool
lilac swallow
The closest thing to a herbi flier is tape or tupan but they are actually fruit focused omnivores
paper oriole
there is a filter feeding herbi flyer but filter feeding is lame af
tho idk nto too much different than just munching on leaves or berries
would give austro something more to hunt
stoic orbit
Lmao I already knew I’d get hate for the Utah raptor
stoic orbit
^
vast wolf
old utah is scrawny.
stoic orbit
Wdym scrawny
stoic orbit
I mean it’s not even supposed to be accurate in the first place it’s body isn’t even that scrawny at least it isn’t over weight like the acro
vast wolf
narrow ingot
RL utah /old isle utah
stoic orbit
The magy doesn’t even resemble any titanosaur the width of the skull isn’t that big of an issue
vast wolf
something about old utah being paper thin bugs me.
it looks like a plaster model instead of an animal.
stoic orbit
Something about the new Utah being a jp clone bugs me
vast wolf
i can somewhat see that.
then again the velociraptors from jp are between deinonychus and utah in size.
stoic orbit
Somewhat? Dude it’s literally a clone
The argument of it being too scrawny and it having a thin skull doesn’t hold up with the isle logic
vast wolf
generally the newer stuff tends to have bulkier builds.
vast wolf
its more fitting to the game and more visually interesting.
valid musk
Yeah
vast wolf
yeah acro is obese.
valid musk
I love that it’s so fat but I think it needs to be skinner
narrow ingot
Rj utah > old utah
vast wolf
90% sure fred did acro and alberto.
stoic orbit
Actually Fred’s Utah > Rj’s Utah
valid musk
The fixed one is on the top
narrow ingot
No actually what i said the first time was correct imo
stoic orbit
Fred’s Utah is superior but this is the isle discord and trying to convince anyone anything isn’t possible but we are entitled to our own opinions
valid musk
Wait what is Fred’s Utahraptor?
silver zephyr
freds utah?
vast heart
Thanks! I tried to make it more accurate while still looking like TI acro
stoic orbit
Hold on
narrow ingot
I feel like i like fatcro better compared to that edit specifically🤔
delicate wing
I like the thicc one better tbh, I feel it just fits when I think acro from pictures I have seen over the years. And it actually makes it look different to the other big boys in the game
Yours looks good too though
narrow ingot
Ok. But i thought this was about the utah u posted in feedback. I was comparing to that. Don't know where this one came from
valid musk
@delicate wing I actually agree with you I like the thick Acro
vast heart
(The original concept that is)
stoic orbit
There wasn’t really anything wrong with the old acro model it was just too large paired with other issues
valid musk
I sorta want it to be a bit more spiky though
vast heart
Tho tbh my main problem is with the giant head and bulldog neck the official concept has
stoic orbit
Why are they remodeling dinosaurs that really didn’t need to be totally remodeled
silver zephyr
my issue with fatcro is the neck mainly and the crests are a bit too big imo
valid musk
@stoic orbit I think it’s because they are trying to make a new style but idk
silver zephyr
Why are they remodeling dinosaurs that really didn’t need to be totally remodeled
new rigs iirc. but im not an expert in this stuff so im not %100
stoic orbit
The new style isn’t all that tbh
delicate wing
They had to re-design them for the new engine and everything too didn't they?
silver zephyr
delicate wing
They couldn't just copy everything over for the models or something?
silver zephyr
i think some were copied over. like rex doesnt look any different to me nor sucho
stoic orbit
Why not just tweak the models to work with the new engine instead of making a completely new model
valid musk
Herra looks super cool to me
narrow ingot
Anywho can't wait for fatcro tbh. And i hated that old acro model. Its so stale looking imo
silver zephyr
idk
stoic orbit
It’s stale because of its textures and patterning
valid musk
Anywho can't wait for fatcro tbh. And i hated that old acro model. Its so stale looking imo
Yeah I hated the old Acro too
stoic orbit
That can be changed
silver zephyr
personally i like both acros
stoic orbit
The new one doesn’t even look like a plausible creature
It’s lifestyle wouldn’t warrant it to be over weight
wild stone
It looks completely plausible to me. And horrifying. I love it.
delicate wing
It doesn't look fat to me, just thick muscles
wild stone
You would say the same thing about Walruses and Elephant Seals if you didn't know they were real creatures that existed. I would also hate to be attacked by an elephant seal.
narrow ingot
They use the skeletals when sculpting the model. Devs showed this in the past. They'll adjust it when it gets to that time. Im sure acro is not going to have a oversized head in game. No other creature in game has that. Literally just concept.
delicate wing
Yea that too, can't think about the concept too much, they change heaps between then and the actual model
stoic orbit
Elephant seals and walruses live a completely different lifestyle to a theropod dinosaur that lived in flood plains they have thick blubber to cope with their environment and lifestyle
delicate wing
I mean, I believe that concept way more than if I didn't know a Giraffe existed and saw its concept xD
stoic orbit
That comparison makes no sense
silver zephyr
inb4 acro lives in the cold mountains 
delicate wing
haha
delicate wing
Me?
stoic orbit
No the turkey guy
narrow ingot
What...
stoic orbit
From what I’ve seen they stay true to the concepts
except the spino but that was because of Bryan
silver zephyr
i mean tbf the models that stayed faithful to their concepts were well received. these ones have garnered a fair bit of backlash
like minmi magy etc. unless im forgetting some
stoic orbit
The magy isn’t well received? it’s literally a joke of a dinosaur not irl but for the game
silver zephyr
design wise
terse hornet
people also don't like change, they're taking something 'established' that people already like and mixing it up. Backlash is expected in that kind of situation.
narrow ingot
^
silver zephyr
i mean ye to some extent. but these recent concepts are still fairly odd even if i like some myself
valid musk
stoic orbit
It’s not really about change I like that they’re doing something unique rather than just jp clones but some of the designs just aren’t it
silver zephyr
2nd version good... besides the crest make it smaller 🤬
valid musk
It’s only way to defend itself only matters after it’s dead
silver zephyr
I too particularly dont like magy myself. Many others included. But from what ive seen those who hate it as a creature still like its design for the most part.
stoic orbit
The tenonto is literally just a horse would you not expect some ppl to disagree with some of the stuff being put out like be real
You’re calling it virgin based on its skeleton?
silver zephyr
I personally dont know too much about irl tenonto but i quite enjoy how its depicted ingame
valid musk
@silver zephyr I love magy’s design I just hate how it is probably horrible gameplay wise
Oh btw by the crest smaller do you mean less long your less tall?
silver zephyr
less tall
valid musk
Ok
stoic orbit
Exactly you don’t really know much about the animal you’re just taking what ever the devs give you because you don’t know what to expect
silver zephyr
stoic orbit
Do you like horses?
valid musk
silver zephyr
eh
valid musk
Horses are cool
stoic orbit
Do you like dinosaurs?
silver zephyr
yes
valid musk
Version 2.5 has the fixed crest
silver zephyr
2.5 looks sweet
valid musk
Thanks
stoic orbit
If someone showed you a made up dinosaur that acted like a horse would you not think it was cool?
valid musk
I would think it’s cool
silver zephyr
idk
stoic orbit
You guys just see them for what you’re given
narrow ingot
Ok
delicate wing
I mean, I haven't seen one in real life, so yea
valid musk
I love the isle’s tenonto I thought it was super cool. I love it’s tail slam
delicate wing
Same
narrow ingot
^
delicate wing
Honestly
narrow ingot
Period
delicate wing
At the end of the day, I am just going to chill in this game where I can play as a darn dinosaur
valid musk
Yeah I wish I could play The Isle
delicate wing
And not think too hard about it all, because I enjoy the game play personally, and the looks of both dinosaur and the new evrima island
Though, I can't wait for a smaller map
narrow ingot
Im waiting to play till they get more stuff in the game
delicate wing
And yea, when they show an animation I hate, I say something, suggest something etc
narrow ingot
I do too
delicate wing
Or a model that doesn't look as nice, I'll say something, but most of the time I don't have to, cause 500 others do it for me xD
valid musk
Lol
narrow ingot
😂
delicate wing
I don't like the, Herra I think it is, last one in the phase 2
silver zephyr
delicate wing
But I do at the same time
delicate wing
Yea, don't like that one either
valid musk
I like the new Herra I think the climbing part makes it super cool
delicate wing
This is where I am torn, because I like the JP version of the anky
But if they do that, people get angry
narrow ingot
I just always hated acros lips which is why i was annoyed when i saw them...it looks kinda nice on it but i still prefer teeth tho. Atleast a little showing. ...but w.e still might complain everynow in then but it looks nicer on fatcro.
delicate wing
Acros neck could defo come down a bit, but I like the rest of the body, and yea, get rid of the lips
valid musk
SHOW THOSE TEETH
narrow ingot
In my head im trying to justify why acro got lips and the others don't..lowkey i wanted all the larger carnivores to be consistent with showing teeth but w.e. ...atleast give it partial lips.
But besides fatcro still looks nice imo
valid musk
Yeah
I would fix the anky but it’s already been done
Also procreate is being a pain
I’m having problems fixing it’s back
slow stream
acro with lips is hot, can't change my mind on that
also if possible, acro might have lips that pulls back to just reveal them steak-knives pearls
valid musk
@low dock that’s a cool idea
low dock
Thx Drakoraptor
low dock
Would be nice to have maybe even 5 venomous hunters eventually, venom in general i feel like the devs can go wild with because of all the possibilities.
narrow ingot
5 venomous creatures sounds excessive imo but i guess.
solid wedge
I tried it and thought that evrime was fun, but i honestly couldn't find a single water source
low dock
@solid wedge you probably spawned on the coast, wait like 6 months, by then we'll hopefully have a new map and the game will feel much more fleshed out.
solid wedge
i ran to the coast took about 25 mins, im pretty sure i spawned in the plains
low dock
You must've gotten unlucky, because water is pretty easy to find inland.
solid wedge
yeah, i could see like water being sucked into plants but thats all i could find
low dock
When you used sniff, you saw the blue particles being sucked away from you, right?
wild stone
camo magy suggestion
I like the idea, but would prefer it for small / tiny creatures like herrerasaurus or smaller. ~~Camouflage ~~ chameleon skin on megafauna doesn't seem very believable to me, for some reason. I don't have an argument to back up those feelings, it's just my reaction.
low dock
^
paper oriole
i mean the reason i want him to have it is because he's big and will have a harder time hiding lol
small animals already have it easy in the deep woods
make a green and brown herra and run into the forest and you're pretty much gone already
low dock
I totally see what you're getting at, but my issue is that Magy is a >1000 Kg animal, and the only way it appears to be made viable is to give it unrealistic attributes that is simply not seen or never has been in nature on this scale.
paper oriole
well i mean... the isle isn't very realistic. it is kinda weird to have a big fat cattle sized animal use camouflage but in the world of dinos it isn't very large by comparison
if they can cave in anky's back, give spino long legs and a shorter face, change beipiao into a swimmer etc im sure chameleon magy isn't too far fetched
though i swill wish we never even got magy, baja is much cooler ):
low dock
Very true, the isle isn't close to realistic, i just think they'd have to stretch the boundaries of things if they want magy to be viable. And yea Baja is awesome
wild stone
Chemically altering the skin is very odd for vertebrate creatures though. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head where it would be a necessary adaptation for megafauna. /shrug
paper oriole
magy is so outclassed that it might make sense for him to need it, megafauna doesn't need it nowadays because we don't have bus sized predators strolling around
sudden hinge
@stoic orbit what are you even saying the new models are leaps ahead of all of the old ones lol they look way crisper
solid wedge
yeah a good example of that are African elephants they adapted into have a grayish tint because they never needed to hide from predators that are 10th its size
paper oriole
and as far as magy goes in this roster he is pretty much a white tail deer... without the speed or agility...
so he needs something to make up for that
low dock
A very obese deer
paper oriole
and tasting bad will just make people kill it for fun
solid wedge
or they can harass predator's into killing them which would gain the preds nothing
paper oriole
yeah if it just tastes bad people will kos it, if it is poisonous it will just troll carnis
low dock
I'm not a KOSer, like ever, but magy... deserves death
narrow ingot
I screenshotted this a while back. Lowkey it doesn't sound like an impossible idea
paper oriole
yeah i usually avoid killing herbis even when im playing carni but... magy would be an exception
molten tulip
I wonder how chameleon would be programmed
paper oriole
yea might be tricky i suppose, how do other games do it
solid wedge
Maybe make it not extremely poisonous, like make it a certain point that a carnie consumes before the negative effects take effect
molten tulip
Usually you can just take pixel samples of the surrounding place but in 3d its really weird
paper oriole
if its only poisonous to eat people will still just kos, if it is poisonous to bite we will have suicidal magys trolling and griefing carnis
low dock
I say they just make magy have a biped mode that can out speed every other thing on the island
paper oriole
lmao yes
narrow ingot
In my rugops doc i made a suggestion/option based on the jp chameleon carno and anole
molten tulip
If they absolutely wanted chameleon they could just go metal gear solid 3 style where there's preset shades you just flip through based on your judgement
paper oriole
that could work maybe
narrow ingot
paper oriole
or another epic magy ability
fall over and shapeshift into a rotten gorepile because that's what magy is destined to be anyway
wild stone
Someone suggested making its flesh and/or skin so toxic / gross that it imparts negative effects when you bite it. What do we think of this?
molten tulip
If you approach magy it shapeshifts into a rex
paper oriole
it's griefable
low dock
That option 3 is actually one of the best things i've heard suggested
paper oriole
a magy can just follow people around and be a jackass because people wont want to bite it
narrow ingot
Im not sure about magy being extremely toxic tho 🤔i kinda like it
paper oriole
well at least that's something i'd do
if they did it right it could work, if it was done in a way that people wouldnt kos it or the magy wouldnt troll with it
narrow ingot
^true
warped tapir
@low dock i mean, this is a great idea and i absolutely love it, but the thing is... ||what about epileptic people?||
paper oriole
it could instead just increase exposure or force night vision on if toggled nv is still a thing? though i think the third venomous pred they have planned is mega right?
narrow ingot
I just realized that was about chameleon magy...i didn't even look in feed back section...yeah idk.how to feel about that...lowkey i would rather see rugops changing hues......but idk
paper oriole
im just desperately picking at possibilities to make magy less of a KOS pinata
also carnis get all the cool mechanics so it'd be neat if an herbi got camo
herbivores just have eat grass
low dock
@warped tapir The key would be to hopefully make it so its not like a strobe light, yet still able to flash, maybe in slower pulses of 3-4 seconds so the brightness changes aren't extremely sudden?
paper oriole
bro dryo aint climbing with those tiny ass arms lmao
low dock
I would also like to point out that your profile pic is a chameleon not a gecko
narrow ingot
I think chameleon/anole rugops or herrera would look better on them ..i feel like they could use that more and it be more viable
warped tapir
@low dock you know how if you look in a flashlight then into the night sky you have like a little dark area that you cant see to well in? A bit like a blind spot? maybe mono could go into the blind spot and attack where you couldnt see him. (also i know im a chameleon geckos just more catchy 
)
paper oriole
idk about rugops but herra is a small and slender guy who could easily blend in on his own
plus he already has the high ground advantage
narrow ingot
I feel like someone gave a suggestion about giving magy super hearing or predator detection but i forgot who
wild stone
Frankly, there are a lot of creatures that don't have much of an excuse for not being able to climb trees. Atleast the trees with branches in them.
silver zephyr
cursed climbing dryo
paper oriole
things like juvie utah and velo even should have some sort of climing skills, even if it isnt as good as herra
but dryo has those pathetic arms with soft little nub fingers i doubt he'd be a good gripper
wild stone
And the only argument that would really convince me of them "not being able to" would be the same argument the devs gave when tenontosaurus got "bucking" instead of the obvious stop, drop and roll that would have greater success. Because "the animal is panicking and just doesn't exhibit that behavior."
But utah is clearly capable of climbing trees, physically.
Utah-panthers when?
low dock
I was thinking about that idea gecko but then i thought, how is the mono going to be able to tell where the other creatures blind spot is, if it cant see out of its eyes.
paper oriole
oh god imagine utahs hanging out in trees like they do on crates atm
plateo has some decent arms and some good hooked claws so he could maybe climb, but idk maybe he's a bit big for that
wild stone
Exactly. Someone should do a crapload of utahs just sitting in tree limbs. But maybe only specific trees with large enough branches to support the weight.
paper oriole
and not much of an excuse to deny velociraptor some climbing ability
low dock
Yea velo should climb and then be able to do a utah like pounce on somethings back
paper oriole
dropbear herrera and velo
paper oriole
yeah lol he desperately needs one
valid musk
@narrow ingot I like the vulture defense for Rogops. Super unique
narrow ingot
Thanks
paper oriole
i want rugops rolling in rotten corpses and throwing up on people and making other dinosaurs throw up, yes yes
the nastiest bastard
stoic orbit
@sudden hinge that is cap the magy, anky, austro, and acro aren’t “leaps” better than anything
And the old Utah model is still better design wise than the new one
valid musk
@narrow ingot great job on the rugops ideas. I would love to see you make more of these. Your ideas are pretty cool
I like the vomit, camouflage, and lockjaw abilities a lot
narrow ingot
Thanks drako. I'll try some more if anything comes to my head or sparks my attention. I literally be grabbing inspiration from everything. 😂
valid musk
Maybe rugops could have a strong bite like hyenas?
gritty terrace
@shadow night wut the hell
valid musk
I saw that
gritty terrace
And concerned
valid musk
Yeah it’s confusing to me
gritty terrace
Why would it be time based
valid musk
I feel like the troodon should be able to mimic two calls at a time
And it would have to hear those calls for them to be able to mimic them
narrow ingot
Btw i really want to ask punch if they really read these docs we make. Ik we're allowed to tag him but i wish i had some verification it was looked at.............and hmm🤔i think that's equivalent to its lock jaw ability in a way but allowing it to do extra damage wouldn't hurt
valid musk
That’s even better
valid musk
But I’m still confused about one thing
gritty terrace
Huh
Btw im pretty sure it can only mimic juveniles
Theres no way it can mimic like a Trex
narrow ingot
Troodon mimicking ambience bird a.i
gritty terrace
Oh god
valid musk
That would be horrible for everything around them
Maybe they could mimic ai?
Or other small creatures
gritty terrace
But everyone agrees it should only do juveniles of each dino correct
Cuz there is no way it can mimic a adult of 90% of the dinos
valid musk
Yeah it could do juveniles
But the lyrebird is ridiculously insane when it comes to mimicking
So who knows what a genetically engineered troodon could do
But I like the juvenile idea
valid musk
Yeah
narrow ingot
Yeah same
valid musk
Also how do you guys think dilos venom will be once you get it?
Like what will you hallucinate?
gritty terrace
Prolly an acid trip
valid musk
I was just about to say that
gritty terrace
With different colors everywhere
valid musk
Lol
narrow ingot
Lol
valid musk
Theri should have a gore attack
gritty terrace
Or all the shades of color would continuously change
valid musk
Maybe you could lose control of your dinosaur
Like it will start running around and calling without you doing anything
gritty terrace
If so id make it so it goes in some directions when you dont want it to
Like make it where they are drunk
So if you are going forward it would go slightly left and right by itself
valid musk
But make the screen go on an acid trip I like that idea
mellow maple
Press a key to find a catalog of animal sounds you heard. Scroll then click the one you want to mimic.
Pay $40 for the Hyperendocrine expansion sound effects
valid musk
Lol
mellow maple
Then your calls will be so scary that everyone will log out of fear
valid musk
Lol
gritty terrace
Honestly
mellow maple
ACtually that is a wonderful way to force someone off a server for a friend of yours to join
mimic a rex nearby on that one sub-giga afk growing
it gets mega scared and tries to sleep
valid musk
Juvenile Utah’s could climb
mellow maple
Climbing Utah sounds fun
valid musk
Yeah atleast we have Herrerasaurus
When it pounces down it should be about to stun smaller prey or if it hits your dinosaur in the head
gritty terrace
I said how the troodon should be worked if you guys agree in feedback
valid musk
I feel like Mono should have the venom like the idea @low dock said but I feel like mono needs something else
gritty terrace
Well will every dino have a different venom or will there be categories
valid musk
Idk but @low dock had a pretty cool idea
gritty terrace
@low dock is 10/10 on how the effects would be
Im just wondering if color should be effected as well
low dock
I swear to god if I get pinged one more time I’m burning this discord
valid musk
sorry
low dock
Lmao np
gritty terrace
We just saying you have an amazing idea
valid musk
Yeah it’s pretty cool
low dock
Thx, I like that it’s being received well, but please try to keep the pings to a minimum rn, I’m trying to sleep
valid musk
Oh oops sorry my mistake
low dock
No way you could’ve known so don’t worry about it
Didn’t mean to kill the mood in here sorry lol I’ll go back to sleep
valid musk
Lol gn
Pteranodon should be able to pick up juveniles/babies and other small prey
That would be annoying af but so funny
A herd of trikes could just be eating some grass and some pteranodon just comes out of nowhere and steals one of the babies
gritty terrace
Ok so.
How they are planning on doing it is that its going tonbe difficult as hell to do that
valid musk
Yeah
gritty terrace
Because that would be op and people would rage nonstop
gritty terrace
Plus they want them to be more of a picivore
valid musk
Yeah
gritty terrace
But that is a possibility but it would be very difficult
Cuz they making the pteradon difficult to fly
And more complicated
valid musk
Are they readding Quetza?
gritty terrace
Its gonna be like flight sim difficult lmao
gritty terrace
Well not really but pretty complex
People are aware that emoji reacting to feedback is good cuz if it gets over 60 emojis it goes to QA discord
valid musk
Qa?
narrow ingot
Did yall see my quetz suggestion tho ...i can't wait for him to get a remodel
narrow ingot
Because people wanted hatz but i was like since quetz is already in game.and confirmed creature why not combine playstyles into one. ..kinda like how they did spino in a way with making it semi aquatic and adjustable land carnivore...im about to link it give me a sec
narrow ingot
Idk why that appeared like that but quetz suggestion ^
It wasn't anything that IN depth but I wanted to give brief suggestions for it to make him a little more interesting
narrow ingot
Yeah i wouldn't mind a darkish coloring for it...no other creature in game has that type of coloring. It would be interesting
Plus not like it needs to camouflage or anything
valid musk
Yeah
It would basically just be a giant place that doesn’t need to worry when it’s flying because pteranodons would not want to mess with it
It’s only fears would be deino and other dangerous animals
Well as a baby it would be almost defenseless
narrow ingot
Yeah. I dont see ptera messing with an adult quetz at all. Its too tiny. Maybe the small juvies/babies it would possibly attack but thats about it
And yeah quetz should fear apexes or even animals like allo or alberto
cobalt compass
@hybrid tiger all calls are able to be cancelled in evrima
paper oriole
I still wish oviraptor got mimic instead of troodon ): troo already has nightvision and venom it feels overdone
frigid cosmos
discord
random imp
not only that, but Ovi could use fake calls to lure a mother away from its nest
so it can doubleback and steal some babies
ashen wasp
yep
Troodon's got a whole lotta abilities going for it, meanwhile Oviraptor's got..... https://i.gifer.com/UVId.gif
narrow ingot
Troodon chad
keen crypt
Tfw people say Dryo's kit would be too bloated to have a burrow or burrow stealing ability because it has a simple dodge mechanic but Troodon get's like 3 mechanics
queen mortar
@stoic orbit legacy utah is trash, the model wasn't designed in the round. if you look at the face from the front you can't see the eyes because it's eyes barely protrude and are placed on the side of the head like a fish, big ❌ from me
ashen wasp
yeahhh. I really do wish they'd give Ovi mimickry and let Troodon be content with a nocturnal lifestyle, venom, agility, pack-hunting, etc.
silver zephyr
strange wave
Tfw people say Dryo's kit would be too bloated to have a burrow or burrow stealing ability because it has a simple dodge mechanic but Troodon get's like 3 mechanics
@keen crypt im pretty sure its still gonna swipe burrows, its just, we dont have anything that makes burrows
ashen wasp
I hope a lot of animals are able to swipe burrows, honestly, both carnivores and herbivores
keen crypt
Ovi needs something tho
safe galleon
You think 3 abilities are too much?
laughs in minmi
ashen wasp
maybe Oro can create simple, smaller burrows, which Proto can expand, Dryo can take over, Velo can invade, etc.
safe galleon
Altough minmi only has those abilities in the concept art, so they may be reduced
silver zephyr
tbh i was thinking about minmi too. ability wise. it does have a lot but they all kinda have the same general theme of hiding and arent insanely different. then troo is out here with good nv, venom, and mimicry which are all very distinct
ashen wasp
Homalo and Minmi also look to be able to do stuff with burrows
but yeah Minmi is very much defensive whereas Troodon has a kit full of more offensive abilities
ebon crypt
It doesn't really depend on the amount of abilities, but rather the ability's function. Mimicry just seems to fit ovi better. I don't even really know in what situation a troodon would use mimicry, unless it's to lure in a juvi or something. But, ya know, killing kids is kinda ovi's special tea anyway
ashen wasp
Minmi: "I can hide in the water from carnivores that are unable to dive, hide in burrows from carnivores too large to enter, and can hide in the ground from carnivores too unobservant to find me. I've also got tough skin and venom resistance to protect myself a bit more from speedy small and mid-tier carnivores that could easily overwhelm me otherwise!"
Troodon: "NYARGH, I'm gonna sit on this rock in this field in the dead of night and terrorize anything that dares to show its face. I delight in zipping past a larger animal, freaking it the hell out, envenoming it as I please and disappearing into the foliage immediately afterwards. Am I gone? Maybe. Maybe NOT. Oh, you heard a broadcast from your own species and want to meet up with them? Sike, it was me, Troodon, and thirty of my closest friends! Oh, we'd never attack you right here and now, we'll just tail you and wait for night to fall. Sweet dreams <3"
narrow ingot
To that magy suggestion. Should have linked me and @barren zephyr suggestions cus we went into more detail about it but yeah i like that more than some of the others... ...lowkey funny cause i didnt think people were paying attention to mines
barren zephyr
Having a linear decrease of speed proportional to stamina is cursed. That doesn’t happen in real life; instead the function should have a logarithmic character. If it was linear you would have to stop every 2 min of running to get faster to point B from point A. @pale sorrel
lilac swallow
Exactly
strange wave
cango, there is just one big issue with that, ambush predators and other animals with a burst of speed, you want to remove around half of that because it would seem more realistic on endurance animals
pale sorrel
Yeah true. I'll make an edit of the chart.
Thanks for the feedback on my feedback! 😄
barren zephyr
np!! it’s an interesting idea but it needs a whole lot of thought for it not to break the game
pale sorrel
Is this better?
Maybe if you double-pressed Shift it could give you a boost for a few seconds, even if stamina is very low?
analog ingot
I really think its fine as it is Carno, no need for you to be slower the lower stam u have, maybe with 5%-10% stam left u start to slow/become tired a bit.
other than that its not really needed.
barren zephyr
^
warped tapir
@pale sorrel how low is low?
warped tapir
so the bar is when you reach 0% stamina?
stoic orbit
@queen mortar what are you talking about? The legacy Utah isn’t trash, I’d bet money that if the isle devs were to announce a redesign that was basically just the old Utah a majority of the brain dead kids in the isle community would be dick riding it like their life depended on it
Also the thing with eyes doesn’t make sense seeing as the actual animals eyes were placed near the sides of the face
If anything they could be tweaked slightly to face forward a little more
The head isn’t supposed to be accurate in the first place lmao that can be seen with the jp raptor we have now
It doesnt resemble the skull in the slightest
arctic nimbus
isle utah 🤢 👎
stoic orbit
That’s a vague statement, as in the Utah in general?or the first version or second version?
arctic nimbus
all of them
utah bad 🙂
outer condor
^
stoic orbit
I mean the game it’s self is bad but it is what it is
Most people tell themselves it’s a good game but like be honest with yourself
All Dinosaur walking simulator games are bad tbh
The communities are the worst because a majority of them are comprised of stupid kids that are like “3D DINOSAURS THAT I CAN PLAY GEE GOLLY”
You literally say anything about the devs and they’ll gang bang you as if you personally attacked them lmao also I already know how this community is no I am not a Redditor Reddit is trashy
pale sorrel
@warped tapir Yes. 100% (left) to 0% (right).
flat crypt
I think slowing at 50% might be a bit drastic. There are animals with a lot of stamina that are meant to be able to run for a long time. But I'd understand it starting to slow at say, 15%?
Even animals with barely any stam would still have a more smooth transition into a walk
warped tapir
@warped tapir Yes. 100% (left) to 0% (right).
@pale sorrel i think at 25% you slow down 25 % and at 10 % you slow down 50%. lets face it, if your running from something so fast your already at 10% stam, it's all over
solid wedge
^^^ i second this, the fact that you allowed your stam to get that close means that whatever is hunting you u cant fight, and i doubt that's its continually running after you, it likely wants you to be running on fumes
barren zephyr
@narrow ingot thanks for credits
You look like a sensible person
I hope you continue like this
pale sorrel
The three of you, you're right. I didn't mean for the speed reduction point to be at 50%. I didn't draw the lines from where you started running. I do get that it's a bit confusing though.
flat crypt
Yeah, in that case I get it
Like I get that Im unfit and would slow down halfway through a jog, but id hope these dinos are a bit more in shape than me
solid wedge
Same
narrow ingot
It's the fact people spammed ❌ on my rugops doc for me ??😂 when just the other day hella people were liking it. As i stated before they were "options " also had an option for rugops being a scavenger and their still annoyed. But anywho,They obviously wanted something more saurian like and their entitled to that(their opinion)😂..lowkey noticed those the same ones whos been complaining about the game not being realistic the last few days and that's OK too
And the WORST thing is they didn't give any type of feedback lol..now if a dev ends up liking this anyways they gone be tight.
shadow stream
👈🙂👉
mental sleet
Banana, excessive, and RNG is always bad.
lilac swallow
Also, shouldnt the tighter turns be the ones that make you fall easier?
silver zephyr
rng tripping/falling just sounds like brawl all over again 
lilac swallow
Yeah
If its a very low chance why even add It? And if its a high chance is a major annoyance
ashen wasp
Mhm
still raptor
Fuzzy the 'split' was an idea Kissen through out. It doesn't mean they'll 100% go with that idea.
tender latch
Fuzzy the 'split' was an idea Kissen through out. It doesn't mean they'll 100% go with that idea.
I am in pain
azure wadi
A timer reaction, what does that mean
Also I hate legacy spinos sounds with all my rage, I can’t stand them and if I have to hear them in evrima as I’m playing one of my favorite dinosaurs I’m gonna be mad
ashen elm
It's going to be added eventually
That is what ⏲️ means
ebon crypt
Timer means that something is already planned or is confirmed for the future
azure wadi
Oh ok
Good
Fuzzy the 'split' was an idea Kissen through out. It doesn't mean they'll 100% go with that idea.
Imagine thinking a decision by a lead dev that was confirmed by other devs isn’t gonna happen
edgy hamlet
people will start a riot if it happens lol
mental sleet
Who was the other dev who confirmed it ?
frigid cosmos
oh god what
unborn quail
Yeah when was that ever confirmed.
mental sleet
I know kissen mentioned it but I do not recall anyone else even remotely confirming it.
unborn quail
silver zephyr
pale sorrel
@barren zephyr And a 🟨 in case people have mixed opinions on it?
peak wedge
Im pretty sure it was actually confirmed to not happen
frigid cosmos
i do like how that kind of suggestion has been ignored about 7 thousand times
very epic :DDDD
peak wedge
Above message not ryks
barren zephyr
why wouldn't ?
Like what's the logical reasoning behind it?
I don't get it. Putting a hipsy heart reaction is why better?
frigid cosmos
opinion baaaad
barren zephyr
Trust me, 2k people won't troll with pressing X for no reason.
Or just give me a logical reason, why is this not a thing, or why they doesn't consider it?
outer condor
barren zephyr
You can still have feedback in feedback channel about it xD
The two doesn't knock each other out.
The other reasoning is simply not enough to me.
But it's just me then.
silver zephyr
bruh its like right under it
barren zephyr
Disagree.
silver zephyr
we know 
barren zephyr
Then remove every reaction from it
barren zephyr
It's not even my idea, it's a common suggestion within the community.
I just typed it in the feedback section.
silver zephyr
add every ironic emoji foster and blank have and put it under phase two stuff
silver zephyr
㊙️
frigid cosmos
㊙️
agree
outer condor
add every ironic emoji foster and blank have and put it under phase two stuff
Yes
old orbit
@low dock why not push carno and have update #2 sooner?
zinc anvil
you want change thats the best way to do it vote on it things that have say 75+ votes or more that are not troll will get put forward
safe galleon
why not push carno and have update #2 sooner?
that would just horrible to balance, with carno and stego in the same update there will atleast be something that may be able to kill stego, without carno stego will just be invincible
also then there would be 4 herbis and 1 carni, doesn't sound like a balanced ecosystem
solid wedge
thats true herbies will run rampant
old orbit
A couple coordinated Utah's can bring down a Stego and it would be a really fun challenge. When I play as Utah I don't want food on legs but a capable opponent.
There will not be only full grown stegos. And for not yet fill grown Utah's plenty of alternative Herbie's to hunt like Hypsies and smaller teno.
zinc anvil
Or how about they stick to the road map and wait for everything to be in a better state and more finished then cutting content from it
old orbit
- what @solid wedge says. But it is the opposite.
Currently Dev seem to envision a potential challenge to get balancing done right for exactly what you mention. Some Dino being to strong and whatnot which could kill balance.
But with this mix they could learn how to get it done right.
Keep in mind this is an early access game. We are all part of shaping the games development path. This needs trial and error. Without ever testing it you cannot tell whether it will work or what adjustments would be required.
@zinc anvil this is an early access game. Waiting for things to be perfect is the wrong expectation.
And no one wants to cut content. Just deliver in smaller pieces once they are done.
Carno could be delivered in update #3 or as the devs said some time ago as a separate update #2.5. Didn't they say they planned to add one Dino per uodate?
So we could have the new Herbie's + bleed + flesh chunks + top secret sooner. Carno then follows asap.
silver zephyr
- Carno isnt getting pushed back. 2. Lmfao they literally got rid of beipi and sucho from update 3 due to time reasons among other things. Why would carno be different.
And why release carno in a smaller update after. Imo id rather the update take a bit longer and have carno so it brings in more players which equals more testing.
old orbit
Not yet folguore, but my suggestion is to do exactly that. Read my comments here.
old orbit
Your 1.
edgy hamlet
Herbs will kinda take over if they dont release carno, one carni and 4 herbis?? Nope.
zinc anvil
@zinc anvil this is an early access game. Waiting for things to be perfect is the wrong expectation.
And no one wants to cut content. Just deliver in smaller pieces once they are done.Carno could be delivered in update #3 or as the devs said some time ago as a separate update #2.5. Didn't they say they planned to add one Dino per uodate?
@old orbit its not the way to do it im not saying it has to be 100% perfect but cutting content from a patch isnt the solution waiting longer for things to get finished is
old orbit
Well it is not, but I suggest that. The devs have pushed other thing from / to different road map updates back and forth and it was usually for the sake of getting updates sooner out of the door.
silver zephyr
One mega update with 3 playables would also mean more players which means more testing getting done. Very beneficial and the only cost is that we only wait a bit longer for the content
paper oriole
carno isnt even a large prey hunter, it makes sense to release him with utah and dryo being alone and then one large herbi to test against animals intended to pack hunt
carno is utah pop control
edgy hamlet
^
zinc anvil
you make a Road map for a reason stick too it
silver zephyr
Well it is not, but I suggest that. The devs have pushed other thing from / to different road map updates back and forth and it was usually for the sake of getting updates sooner out of the door.
Only things can have gotten moved around were ai which was being fucky all around and moving dryo up into update 1
old orbit
Synergy. Cutting content from updates has happened before.
silver zephyr
if you referring to the ai we technically got dryo instead of the teno and utah ai. and got dryo ai anyways
paper oriole
animals around utah's size are carno's game
edgy hamlet
theyre halfway done with carno, why stop it now and get less people to play the game? It wont take much more time for the update to come
narrow ingot
Damn Foster whats the issue now ? U want galli doing what ovi do?
old orbit
Exactly. And how is that AI?
silver zephyr
shit. but thats ai in general cause its been not working how they wanted to
outer condor
Ovi isn't limited to an egg diet iirc
old orbit
It's not really super awesome Yet but it is at least something. Better than nothing.
silver zephyr
literally only thing in the roadmap pushed back has been ai which has been notoriously mentioned to be fucky atm
edgy hamlet
Yeah, but theres no real reason to push it back. Im sure you can wait 2-3 more weeks
silver zephyr
You repeat yourself folguore ;)
and
old orbit
Yes. Have the update #2 sooner.
lilac swallow
"i dont care about carno so why not ditch carno for later and release the update sooner"
edgy hamlet
Ill wait 3 more weeks to get a polishec update instead of 2 weeks for a broken one, mate ^^
silver zephyr
Update 2 sooner is surely great. But it also having carno is much more beneficial balance wise and testing wise to further help development
paper oriole
i'd assume oviraptor would eat rodents and other small AI too though, it needs something actually unique that doesnt seem artificially forced, like there's no logical reason galli would just avoid eating eggs when it's an omnivore that swallows anything it can
zinc anvil
you dont understand the reasons why AI was cut.AI would take a lot longer to finish then one playable thats what half way done just wait for it
old orbit
I'd rather have update 2# now. And trust me I can happily wait 2 more weeks for the Carbon - can you?
outer condor
i'd assume oviraptor would eat rodents and other small AI too though, it needs something actually unique that doesnt seem artificially forced, like there's no logical reason galli would just avoid eating eggs when it's an omnivore that swallows anything it can
^^^^
paper oriole
i wish ovi got mimicry instead of troodon too, would have been something unique going for it
lilac swallow
Update 2 sooner is surely great. But it also having carno is much more beneficial balance wise and testing wise to further help development
@silver zephyr the thing is, update 2 is not update 2 if we only get 2/3 of It so even worse
paper oriole
to make it much more attuned to luring juvies and parents away
edgy hamlet
so if you can wait, why do you want it now?
silver zephyr
I'd rather have update 2# now. And trust me I can happily wait 2 more weeks for the Carbon - can you?
Id rather wait a bit and have a much bigger update overall that garners in more players which once again means more testing.
zinc anvil
I'd rather have update 2# now. And trust me I can happily wait 2 more weeks for the Carbon - can you?
@old orbit given the fact im on the Qa team for the game i'd say wait for it
edgy hamlet
Just have a BIT of patience, youll get a better update i promise
zinc anvil
update 2 is huge for the game and everything in it all at once is just more content the current game is lacking
edgy hamlet
devs wont sacrifise carno to release the update 5 days earlier lol
also they definetly shouldnt rush it anyways
silver zephyr
In this scenario its literally wait = better tested update by QA, more players playing on launch, more testing being done by players, not removing 1 of the main things people were hyped about that update for
zinc anvil
just wait for it,i know it sucks been there waiting as well but its worth waiting
old orbit
Bubbles, no sacrifise. Stick to what has been said.
narrow ingot
i'd assume oviraptor would eat rodents and other small AI too though, it needs something actually unique that doesnt seem artificially forced, like there's no logical reason galli would just avoid eating eggs when it's an omnivore that swallows anything it can
@paper oriole. I wasn't saying OVI should just eat eggs tho...like That was Not what i was saying at all. I was saying that bc i know it's supposed to eat eggs too and yall were complaining about galli doing what ovi does ...add in small a.i so it can take priority in those things more.
edgy hamlet
Im sticking to the remove of the carno in update 2.
paper oriole
it would still end in galli and ovi sharing the same diet unless galli was artificially forced to avoid eggs
old orbit
That's not a sacrifice. Don't overdramatize.
edgy hamlet
You know what i mean, dont you ^^ Theres no reason to release the update without the carno
paper oriole
ovi needs something truly unique to set it apart
narrow ingot
One minute yall want galli to be different the next yall want it to do the same stuff like make y'all minds.
old orbit
What are you afraid of. You seem to be so much worried about my idea / suggestion.
paper oriole
idk im not one of the people who was upset at galli eating eggs, i know some were but I just want ovi to be unique without changing up galli for it
edgy hamlet
Im not worried, im just asking you why you want them to release carno later if theres no good reason for it
just wait a week longer than without carno, who cares
zinc anvil
it would take more time removing it now just to then have to add it back in to update 3 and if you then think about it all you are doing is delaying the next update and then it has a knock on effect
edgy hamlet
im gonna be honest, i dont really like the carno, i wouldnt care if it came later, but if theres no reason for it then w h y
As for now from what i saw youre reason is time which wont change much
old orbit
I provided lots of good reason but it seem.you don't like them. That's OK. But saying there is no reason is not correct. You could say there is no reason there you personally agree with. That would be more accurate and honest.
silver zephyr
the only thing is literally just we get update 2 faster
edgy hamlet
we all seem to disagree but yeah, what synergy said
lilac swallow
Its simply unprofesional just saying "remember update 2? Forget It you Will get update 2 and update 2.5"
edgy hamlet
lmao
old orbit
- balance testing. Folguore.
uneven nova
It's a good tactic that they have a really famous carnivore in update #2. People are really happy about it that one of the most (atleast I think it is one of them) is getting out in the next update. Plus in update #3 there's the deino which again is a pretty awaited playable beside pteranodon.. And I'm not even talking about the update #3 ACTUAL NAME. It's called Fishing + Fishers FOR A REASON! Why would Carno have a good place in there??
silver zephyr
^
old orbit
Not we all Bubble. Just you and me. ;)
paper oriole
carno wont stop your so called "balance testing" lol
zinc anvil
its hard to say as you all dont see whats going on or happening behind the wall as its never clear
old orbit
This time ^^
lilac swallow
I dont even care about carno im here for Stego but this idea is just cursed
silver zephyr
Not we all Bubble. Just you and me. ;)
i disagree with you
paper oriole
you can still attack stego with carno around
edgy hamlet
If we take out carno now, well get update 3 later. wont change much. Also everyone talking here kinda disagreed with you but yeah :p
old orbit
That is you Folguore and me. Still not all. You both overdramatize. Why?
edgy hamlet
How is that overdramatizing?
lilac swallow
Maybe you are the one overdramatizing the reactions your suggestion caused, just maybe
uneven nova
It's just opinions dude.. No one's crying but telling their point of view about your feedback.
silver zephyr
Folguore 
old orbit
When you say we you claim you are speaking for others? Don't t you think everyone can speak for themselves ?
silver zephyr
we are like all saying the same thing tho
lilac swallow
We are indeed
uneven nova
I am disagreeing with you Bubbles can talk in my name!
edgy hamlet
Yep, and in my opinion the people talking here said that they dont agree with your idea
paper oriole
can't wait to slap those utah mains as carno when it releases in update two 
lilac swallow
No need for 4 guys to write the same thing if the first one says "we all" and we agree
zinc anvil
carno wont stop your so called "balance testing" lol
@paper oriole we dont just do balance lol wish it was that simple
silver zephyr
old orbit
I was asking for feedback. But I wonder why folks who disagree feel the requirement to speak for others instead of just making their own point / speak for themselves. As if they are afraid their own voice is not good enough.
Tell me what you think that's fair and welcome.
solid wedge
What's the argument about
lilac swallow
Someone cant handle an oposing opinion
uneven nova
I think everyone was telling their own point.. Or is it just me who sees that?
paper oriole
feedback isn't always positive
edgy hamlet
like i said, its my opinion that we all disagree, doesnt have to be yours
lilac swallow
Feedback tends to be negative in fact
like i said, its my opinion that we all disagree, doesnt have to be yours
@edgy hamlet and no one said you were liying so we kinda all agree
outer condor
Ok
uneven nova
yes
edgy hamlet
So lets get back to the Carno thing, we wont really come out of this discussion lol
gaunt briar
It's always negative in feedback
old orbit
Synergy, can you provide more details why it would be so much work to remove Carno at this point. ?
edgy hamlet
didnt you say we can only say our own opinions ._. well whatever
zinc anvil
i didnt say you couldn't
old orbit
Explain bubbles :)
silver zephyr
wont pushing back carno have a ripple effect on all further updates delaying them
edgy hamlet
i mean socket synergy
old orbit
Can you share more details how much work that would be and why?
paper oriole
passive aggressive smile face is passive aggressive
edgy hamlet
Explain? The whole last conversation was about this but yeahh
but sure gimme reasons maybe ill change my mind
zinc anvil
its why its a feedback discussion we are discussing it no one here is at each others throats i dont think?
old orbit
I am asking synergy a question. This is not a citation bubbles ;)
silver zephyr
passive aggresive smiles intensifies
paper oriole
honestly at this point i want carno to stay in update two out of spite if nothing else
silver zephyr
also im not sure a QA person can just explain everything. they have some info that can effect stuff that we simply cant know
edgy hamlet
Aslong as they get some good reasons im open to discuss
zinc anvil
i get that you want an update faster because its been 30+days but cutting content at this point in the patch isnt really saving anytime on things as weird as that might sound
old orbit
No I am friendly. It is lack of facial expression and each person's personal bias that can turn interpretation of the written word and emoticons upside down.
That is a common issue in text- only conversations.
You folks seem to be a bit nervous :). <- really smiling now.
silver zephyr
edgy hamlet
so dat aint reasons, i keep myself on the "dont move carno" train
why does he keep saying were nervous doe?
old orbit
Synergy. Atm I am really just asking (as in I am very interested to know) why it would be lots of work and what that work is. Consider it a plain technical question.
edgy hamlet
So can you give me reasons socket?
uneven nova
boi
lilac swallow
4 herbis 1 carni is very unbalanced specially when the only carni is on the smaller end while 1 or the 4 herbis is huge
edgy hamlet
^
lilac swallow
Enought said from my part
edgy hamlet
Stegos will be able to grow always, there wont be enough utahs to snatch their young-wont be balanced
new roadmap update news bois, hold up with the discussion xd
lilac swallow
And adult stegos are simply way too much for utahs, stego's attacks have a large area and 1 or 2 shot utahs, simply unreachable
edgy hamlet
okay nothing really new, sad
low dock
@old orbit We need another carnivore, cant have immortal stego, plus it's very close to done.
zinc anvil
you make a road map that was bad you remake the road map so its better with core features on it and some of them creatures come with core things removing them and not sticking with the road map a lot of people put time into its pointless,you then remove the only other carnivore from the roster at that point making the eco system very unbalanced.The other reasons would break my NDA im pretty sure but carno knock down is a thing thats been seen.
Carnotaurus (Playable) [25/45] its also over half way done
edgy hamlet
They should just get it all done, better than keep moving dinosaurs just to release the Update earlier
old orbit
Legendary,Synergy, the unbalance is on purpose by my proposal - a way for the devs to learn.
Since Kissen mentioned that they consider splitting the roaster due to sizing and challanges to balance that - I think they underestimate themselves.
The could use this chance now to learn from it in small scale - then later not split roster because they know what to look for and how to adjust.
I hear some other saying they always want a polished, balanced game. But this is early access, so at least for my part I am OK with that. And anyone else has accepted the same when buying this game.
Again, Carno isn't month away. It would follow up soon.
So to me, there is not much reason left to not "split" update #2? Carno will not come sooner or later - unless Synergy could fill in some background why and how much that would delay the #2 release.
edgy hamlet
But its kind of obvious that it wont be balanced without carno, dunno what you want to test there
Also rn many people ask them to not split the roster, and im sure many people will still complain if they decide to do it
silver zephyr
they already confirmed the split roster thing was a misunderstanding 
edgy hamlet
lol welp, that makes me happy
old orbit
Bubble, Try to read about the "split roaster" story that went on the last couple days. Devs seem to have some worries about balancing dinos in future.
edgy hamlet
So yeah no split thing anymore
zinc anvil
cant say no ETA but the roaster isnt being split its a miss understand that punch cleared up
edgy hamlet
I do know of the Split thing friendo, but still i guess it isnt even supposed to happen, and still if it happens people will complain till they get what they want
old orbit
punch explaining that folks misunderstood Kissen - here: #401464048610312195 message
edgy hamlet
So is there another reason that doesnt have to do with the Split roster?
old orbit
He still says that they see challenges getting balance done right and will not enable all Dinos on official servers.
edgy hamlet
What does this have to do with removing the Carno though?
silver zephyr
all of them are gonna be playable update 2 so...
wouldnt it be better to release em all at once then if this is the case?
idk man
edgy hamlet
yup
paper oriole
pssst real reason is this guy wants to delay the first predator that'll be a threat to him
silver zephyr
paper oriole
obviously a utah main fears the great carno
edgy hamlet
lol
Careful if you keep talking like this he will start discussing about it instead of discussing about the carno
just sayin..
silver zephyr
...
edgy hamlet
old orbit
So far I have only heard folks arguing that they are afraid of the thread the Stego will bring if there is no Carno.
silver zephyr
what
old orbit
So what are you afraid of @paper oriole ?
edgy hamlet
Nah i also argued because you didnt gimme reasons to remove the Carnos
silver zephyr
have you not listened to like any of our arguments. it isnt just that stego will run rampant
paper oriole
no lol theres just literally no reason to delay carno other than pure impatience or scared utah mains
edgy hamlet
Hes afraid of your passive aggressive smile, socket
paper oriole
the "balance testing" reason is just bad
silver zephyr
: )
paper oriole
🙂
old orbit
That's what you say @paper oriole
silver zephyr
so s0cket can you give like any reasons perhaps?
paper oriole
you don't need to ping me every time @old orbit : )
old orbit
Fulgore read them above. If you can.
edgy hamlet
The aboves were about the Split roster
old orbit
Bubble now you are speaking for others. Why?
paper oriole
this is a public channel, people can speak
old orbit
it does, read punch's comment
paper oriole
if you want 1 on 1 reasonings go to DMs
edgy hamlet
Because they share the same opinion. Also dont get back to this
old orbit
for themselves @paper oriole
edgy hamlet
Others, do you agree with me?
paper oriole
@old orbit stop pinging me mr utah
yes i agree with disagreeing with socket
no reason to delay carno
old orbit
Bubbles you seem to seek out for help - not sure you can stand this yourself?
paper oriole
LOL
silver zephyr
what
edgy hamlet
there you go buddy, if the others have another opinion then they can tell you
Help? okayyy yeah im asking you for a reason to move carno
silver zephyr
bubbles can speak for me