general-feedback-discussion

[mighty girder]

to each their own

[hasty radish]

@opal shoal ✅ for the last option, the baby carry . 🙂

[latent pelican]

How to apply as admin.

[full summit]

Love all the news punchpacket provides. It has been some long lonely days in the places i was previously getting Isle news. This discord is awsome.

When AI comes out i have some hard binging to do.

[bleak atlas]

@hasty radish the will not add it cause it will be abused

[barren zephyr]

@old seal good suggestion but the old ambush mechanic where carnivores get speed boosts should be thrown in a fire and go to hell where it belongs, never to be returned.

[old seal]

@old seal good suggestion but the old ambush mechanic where carnivores get speed boosts should be thrown in a fire and go to hell where it belongs, never to be returned.
@barren zephyr I agree.

[barren zephyr]

Great

[tepid gate]

It should probably just have a cooldown so that when you use it you can't just re-enter crouch to get it back straight away after 4 seconds of crouching. Alternatively there's also an option to just make it so that the longer you stay crouched the longer the ambush is going to be so that you can't just spam ambush to cover ground quicker while chasing someone the way Allo does in the legacy. Ambush is most definitely a heavily required mechanic in the game though.

[old seal]

I dont see any reason why you should have a speed bonus from ambushing besides reaching the max speed faster. The fact that no herbivore have that bonus even tho they can ambush is unfair for me. Maybe you should get a speed bonus from holding shift while using more stamina. But thats just my oppinion.

[tepid gate]

You should have a speed bonus from ambushing because otherwise the fastest animals are absolutely untouchable to just about anything in the game, exactly the way Utah is right now in Evrima. Ambush allows the animals that are normally slower to close the gap to the animal that's normally faster to the point where the slower animal can get an attack off on it. All the alternatives to this system are much more toxic and frustrating to encounter in the game.

[hasty radish]

@tepid gate yes

[eternal dawn]

Put a cool down on it and call it a day. Herbs get shafted often in this game people can’t act like it’s a recent thing to be fair.

[covert birch]

Imo ambushing doesnt need a speed boost since if ya actually do pull off a good ambush ya dont really need the speed boost to get off the attack
Especially when we do get grapple on top of that making them running away more of an issue

[tepid gate]

In vast majority of cases if you're playing the faster animal you have to be blind, deaf and/or playing with your feet to die to the slower animal assuming that ambush isn't a thing - that's the simple truth of it. And this is even more, far more, of a case in Evrima where fights and hunting take much longer than in the legacy branch.

[covert birch]

With the amount of foliage found in evrima and the combination of grapple combat thatll be in the future imo it wouldnt be too hard
Plus imo a much more less harmful alternative to the whole ambush thing would be that it speeds up acceleration to max speed instead of just gives ya a speed boost

[strange wave]

@idle needle its not competing with austro at all, koolasuchus would be much better for that

[idle needle]

Wasn't austro supposed to be a fisher, too?

[idle needle]

If not, then I'll change it

[covert birch]

Diplocalus is tiny lol

Austro would fish it

[idle needle]

I'll make an edit

[idle needle]

Isle's scaling is quite weird

[strange wave]

not really

[idle needle]

Isle velo is like the size of isle utah's head

[strange wave]

all the animals are going to be accurate sized after evrima

[idle needle]

Yeah, I suppose I'm thinking more about the legacy branch

That will help diplo not feel so tiny, though

If it's a third the size of a utah, basically

[strange wave]

diplo is a quarter of the height of the velo in that chart for scale

[idle needle]

Yeah, but it's close to as long

Just got stubby lil lgs

[strange wave]

koolasuchus though

[idle needle]

I would totally accept koolasuchus instead of diplocaulus

But I also like the idea that the tiny seasonal rivers and streams would feel so much larger to a diplocaulus than say, a deinosuchus

[strange wave]

it can easily have a niche as an underwater pursuit predator not just a scaled down deinosuchus

example is giving it a slime that makes grabs easier to escape and the ability to go to sleep to reserve its limited water supply during times of drought like the amphibian in walking with beast

[covert birch]

I had a whole thing for koola ages ago
As like a mini active river predator who has anti grapple mechanics

[idle needle]

That sounds really cool, too!

I'd love to see both added, honestly

[covert birch]

but yea, diplocalus idk how it would work outa being ambient ai reallty

[idle needle]

Kool would have more stuff to hunt if diplocaulus was around, too

[covert birch]

Such a tiny bugger good luck interacting with anything

[strange wave]

koola is better as a playable and diplo can be an ai animal

[idle needle]

I had considered that as well

[covert birch]

here was the thing
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/721232562239963157

[idle needle]

Beautiful, I'm so reading this

That actually sounds amazing

Read through that just now, that is really well thought-out

Whether diplo ended up as an ai or a playable, or perhaps both(?!), I think it would enriching to have small river predators besides deino and beipiao

[covert birch]

I mean we got
Deino, sucho, spino?, beipi, austro, minmi, n bary

idk if spino is still ocean man or not

[idle needle]

Spino is also gigantic

and minmi's an herbivore

[covert birch]

not to mention the fish which are injectable

[idle needle]

last I heard

Yup

That's right, forgot about those

[covert birch]

didnt read the predator bit

[idle needle]

Ah, I gotcha

Sucho and bary would compete for space with koolasuchus, which would lead to some very interesting interactions

[covert birch]

ehh not so much sucho since 5 ton sucho will make quick work outa a half a ton koola
same with bary

barys like 1.4 tons vs .5 ton koola

[idle needle]

Koola might be a faster swimmer, though

[covert birch]

Oh 100%

bary n sucho are land preds with fishermen mouths

they aint made for swimmin

[novel lotus]

Sucho needs a massive swim speed buff

They kinda suck in legacy

Well they can bully allos and Utah’s tho

which is nice

[idle needle]

I think that sucho being able to submerge would moret han make up for that slower swim speed, personally

but I would definitely like to see it be faster as well

I still think that diplocaulus would be fun to play as

When velo was playable, I know quite a few people had a lot of fun with it

Between being aquatic, living comfortably on fish ai, and having the ability to hide in fallen logs and water grass, I think diplo would have a grand time hiding from things and laying low while larger critters patrolled perhaps higher levels of the water

[strange wave]

Sucho needs a massive swim speed buff
@novel lotus why is sucho swimming in water infested with 15 ton alligators?

and kaiju sized spinosaurs

[idle needle]

Plus, since the isle isn't quite so dead set on everything being completely accurate, I think an argument could be made for a 6ft/2meter diplo

just to make it a little more interactable with everything else

[strange wave]

mate

compy is playable

[idle needle]

Right, yeah XD

[strange wave]

diplo would be playable

but not offically

[idle needle]

I completely forgot about that

Imagine being a merc and finding a three-foot salamander in your boat

boat/raft/whatever

It'd be 50/50 whether you'd be shot or adopted as a pet

[strange wave]

then you find it ate your last ration, so you shoot it for food and get some horrible diseases and die a gruesome death

[covert birch]

Sucho needs a massive swim speed buff
nah it doesnt, just a regular speed buff

I think that sucho being able to submerge would moret han make up for that slower swim speed, personally
iirc sucho along with other aquatics are gettin this

[idle needle]

Yeah, that's why I was saying it

I expect things that fish to be able to dive

[covert birch]

Sucho outa all of em tho should be more bear like

fishes n rivers n shit instead of divin down

would make the fishers n such more different from eachother

[strange wave]

aka make spino cuck sucho less

[idle needle]

That's a good point, too

[covert birch]

Just do the two niches of bary n sucho from the dossiers
make spino the survive how ya want apex, with fisher as one of those things
then make austro be the main diving fisher, little kingfisher boi

with like diplocalus, atopdentatus, fish ai etc all workin up as prey for em

[languid crown]

yes kingfisher austro

[idle needle]

Something that might be interesting is amphibians like koola and diplocaulus not having a breath bar

Since amphibians can absorb oxygen from the water through their skin for a considerable amount of time

That might be a draw for people still looking to be able to move on land when the rivers dry up, but also not wanting to go on land if they don't absolutely have to

[ebon tiger]

i guess the limit on amphibians remaining on land for long is their water bar, as they'd eventually dehydrate

would be interesting if they dehydrated slower in certain biomes, like they do irl

like, if they were on land in a swamp or thick jungle, they could last longer (especially if it rains) than they could in plains or more open forest

[novel lotus]

@novel lotus why is sucho swimming in water infested with 15 ton alligators?
@strange wave Because he’s supposed to.... he’s a spinosaurid

[covert birch]

um akchually hes a baryonichae and that means yaknow
he isnt that much of a swimmer

bary n sucho n co all are more land animals who just had fishermen mouths

[novel lotus]

He’s still part of spinosauridae

[covert birch]

Spinosauridae splits into two

Spinosaurinae n baryonychinae
One which is water bois
one which is land bois with fisherman mouths

Either way in the end making sucho a swimmer isnt that much of a good idea

same with bary

[novel lotus]

why not tho

[covert birch]

for multiple reasons

One, deino

[novel lotus]

Make them faster then deino in water problem solved

[covert birch]

that would look ridiculous lol

just make bary n sucho do the thing they actually did

which is waders

Give them the same buff spino is meant to get which is immune to water slowing ya down

[novel lotus]

Fair enough but deino could still fuck them up in murky shallow water

[covert birch]

Which is why you can be river waders

lots of rivers are hard for deino to hide in

[novel lotus]

Oh okay I get you then

[covert birch]

basically push both bary n sucho to fill the niches the old dossiers were
And you get
A: two unique playables who would be extremely similar if you went both swimmer fisher route
B: two animals who arent as fucked over by deino

[novel lotus]

But isn’t it good to have counters in a game

[covert birch]

sucho as like a bear doin river wading and fishing as its main source of food, with bullying smaller animals off corpses as a side thing

Then bary as like idk a jaguar who actively hunts around aquatic areas and uses eating things in the water as more of a supplement

[novel lotus]

Like how a Utah messes up a dilo

Or how a Carno messes up a Utah

[covert birch]

Theres counters then outright unwinnable situations

Great example is giga n sucho rn

[novel lotus]

Yeah suchos are too slow on land

[covert birch]

99% of the time giga can just trot sucho down
Unless your like in gulf

[novel lotus]

But I have a question, is there like a cool down on fishing

[covert birch]

We dont know

[novel lotus]

okay

[covert birch]

we know there are 2 types of fishing tho

[novel lotus]

?

[covert birch]

one thats all diving into the water n shit

and one thats surface lvl

we dont know how its diff tho mechanically

[novel lotus]

I imagine diving will produce bigger fish

[covert birch]

prolly

since thats meant to be like how spino fishes

this is very old info tho, so plans may have changed

[novel lotus]

Hmmm okay thanks

[barren zephyr]

[novel lotus]

@idle needle I like your idea! Since it’s an amphibian, it could have zero drain underwater and (I’m not sure how scientifically accurate this is) maybe have like a secondary tongue attack that can snatch up small animals and reel them in and eat em

Actually nevermind the tongue thing that’s mainly frog things

[inner orbit]

I still have an issue with bary

[novel lotus]

@inner orbit how so?

[inner orbit]

Even if you make it inhabit somewhere else it will still imo be a discount sucho

I hope they could do something unique for bary

[languid crown]

i want bary to be a mud boy, make its whole life revolve around mud

it gets different buffs if it wallows in different mud 'flavours' when its still in its hatchling/juvi stage
when its young its dorsal barbs are toxic, so it can bury itself in the mud and if something steps on it, it gives like a paralysis, stun or slow effect for a short enough period for the bary to escape.
When it becomes an adult it loses this but gains the ability to smell dinos that have recently wallowed in mud.
Along with some offsetted stats that make it slightly faster, have better nightvision, and faster swimming, but a slower ambush with less health and biteforce with claws of about the same strength.
I think that would make bary alot of fun to play, espeacilly using your juvis in creative ways to catch prey and help adults escape

thoughts @inner orbit

?

[inner orbit]

Hmmm………

I was thinking making bary more semi aquatic

[languid crown]

well it would have semi aquatic things as well such as the ability to dive and fish, but because of deino i feel it will get driven out of the water so it needs some land viability

as for sucho its more like a bear, big and strong, with aquatic food sources as a reserve

[open sedge]

are you allowed to post your own concept art when making a suggestion?

[ebon crypt]

Yes, you are

[open sedge]

Ok great, thank you

[vast wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-walrus-indeed-animal-yeah-gif-4131278

[open sedge]

love it

[jade schooner]

My dude, cannibals and tribals are the "same thing". We're getting the Orc looking people.
Now you mean mostly the eyeless creatures, but they're their own separate entity. They're supposed to be large, slender and fast. As far as we know. They could add other types for them, but right now I wouldn't worry too much. Still think they might change the original design, so we have to see where it leads to

[eternal owl]

In the lore the eyeless boys are supposed to be nearly, if not, as fast as Utah's, and a lot more deadly.

[random imp]

and the original design of the eyeless white creature is good as it is, without scales and shit.

[eternal owl]

Yeah it looks as it should be, subtly terrifying and strange

[ebon crypt]

Making something buff usually takes away from the spookiness factor. Lanky monsters tend to be more scary and creepy

[barren zephyr]

lanky stuff looks unnatural to us. especially in a humanoid look. your mind is like woah that looks dead or sick but it's moving fast wtf

[ebon crypt]

Yeah, it's hard to make a buff monster look "creepy". We can find them scary because we are naturally scared of things that look bigger and tougher than us, but lanky things, as Taco said, look unnatural to us, and therefore creepy

[languid crown]

thats a lie im buff and girls still find me creepy

[ebon crypt]

Scary maybe, but you definitely don't look like a weird, unnatural, mounurited abomination.

Also doubt

[languid crown]

yes this is a fictional statement i made for the funnies

[cobalt compass]

Scary maybe, but you definitely don't look like a weird, unnatural, mounurited abomination.
who really knows

[ebon crypt]

The only way can know is if Griz does a face reveal 😳

[languid crown]

😳

ok

[ebon crypt]

Damn, you have a nice smile

[cobalt compass]

thats where the trouble began
that damn smile

[languid crown]

aww thx guys

[cobalt compass]

🎩 👌
🍈

[ashen elm]

I agree that sauropodlets should be a lot faster than the adults. It should do a Rex type growth where the juveniles are leggy and then as they get older they get fat and slow but strong.

Ala the juvenile Diplodocus "Andrew"
https://go.nature.com/3kCkk93

I think combat as a sauropod should be focused on AoE. That way they can handle packs well but don't mix well with other herbivores due to friendly fire.

Also agree on BB resistance.

[inner orbit]

I agree

I’d like AoE attacks for it I’ll add that edit

[inner orbit]

@dense dew I’d prefer them to just be skins as tbh the devs would see no point in adding them

[dense dew]

That’s why I said it could be a mod

I might try to mod it myself

But I just wanted to share it

[inner orbit]

🤔

Sorry

[dense dew]

Don’t be sorry lol

I agree I think the devs should focus on other things first

[inner orbit]

I’d like them as skins though definitely

I would be sad if they weren’t

[vestal rune]

"add mate animations"

[inner orbit]

🤢

🤮

[shadow stream]

😳😳😳😳

[wise warren]

[frigid cosmos]

im hacking the isle and adding mating animations rn, dw u can have the best UwU port utah ERP ever very soon @torn needle

[inner orbit]

No

Milo

Don’t do it

[frigid cosmos]

hacker man

im gonna commit hacker

u want ur evrima update ur gonna fuckin get it

[inner orbit]

No mating animations

Reeeeee

[shadow stream]

interspecies mating? 😳

[frigid cosmos]

im gonna commit sin

[inner orbit]

No

Don’t lower yourself to that standard

You’ll make docktah’s even weirder

[frigid cosmos]

commits unholy acts

[cobalt compass]

wow, didnt expect this level of....

i hope you guys have a good insurence ^^

[frigid cosmos]

i am currently growing a port tah and no one can do anything about it

im gonna spam UWU and get banned while sitting in the nesting area of port

[cobalt compass]

next admin raising its eyebrow in furios expectation

[frigid cosmos]

[cobalt compass]

i wish i could see this mega cringe live

[frigid cosmos]

im just sitting in a tree

not actually gonna be an uwutah

gonna be a twins tah

[cobalt compass]

awwww..... thats....

im searching for the right word....

....disappointing? not quite...

[frigid cosmos]

only thing imma be doing around port is killing RPtahs

[cobalt compass]

undersatisfying.....

[frigid cosmos]

wow

[errant tartan]

I cant eat with a teno, it's not letting me graze

[frigid cosmos]

ok

[silver zephyr]

its a bug

[silk hatch]

I cant eat with a teno, it's not letting me graze
@errant tartan
Known bug, current fix is that if you shove your face into another teno while they're standing over grass it'll work for some reason

[strange wave]

@novel lotus they wouldnt interact with anything larger than a compy, and even then its fodder for a compy

[novel lotus]

@strange wave they could just make them big bois

or they could eat berries

not sure how accurate that could be

[strange wave]

not

accurate

micro is compy sized with no gimmicks other than gliding, it can only hunt bugs and scavenge arche is in the same boat

[novel lotus]

Yeah but is spino accurate

No....

Is T. rex roar accurate?

No....

[covert birch]

All of their sizes are

[strange wave]

dont bring that shit up

sizes are all accurate

[novel lotus]

You get my point tho

Not everything is accurate

[rocky sable]

dobby trex roar is not accurate cus no body has ever heard a trex roar

[strange wave]

and you want an exception for a glorified crow

[covert birch]

I mean, i dont see the need to upsizing it
When the same thing exists withoutn eeding to upsize

[strange wave]

^^^chang is great

[covert birch]

buggers a velo sized glider
perfect

[novel lotus]

Yeah so they don’t need to upsize it

[covert birch]

baluar also works since its omni

they dont need to upsize it
Just add baluar instead

[novel lotus]

Arch or micro could just eat berries

[rocky sable]

microraptor could only be good for dealing with compy velo and meganura and maybe homalocephale

[strange wave]

thats boring as fuck

[novel lotus]

Or they could attack AI

[covert birch]

I mean

[novel lotus]

Gliding through the sky and climbing isn’t boring

[strange wave]

dobby all ai is either dinosaurs fish or fucking frogs

[rocky sable]

deinonychus would just climb after it and grab it out of the air like a fucking badass

[covert birch]

The thing with playable animals is
They need to interact with other playables

[strange wave]

Gliding through the sky and climbing isn’t boring
@novel lotus it is if you dont interact with anything outside of it crushing you

[covert birch]

size is a major thing when it comes to interaction

At least compy has a job where it cleans gore for example

[novel lotus]

yeah but when has this game ever been realistic

[strange wave]

no

shut up and listen to what we are trying to say

[novel lotus]

Arch and micro would be really fun tho

[covert birch]

the whole
X isnt realistic
Doesnt apply to the other arguments

[novel lotus]

they could hunt comps

[strange wave]

why add microraptor when we can add chang without breaking the golden rule

[covert birch]

^

[strange wave]

comps would hunt them

[covert birch]

imo baluar would work much better since its an omni but sure

hell some guy thought it was full herbi at some point iirc

[novel lotus]

oh well idk then I thought it would be amazing to play

[covert birch]

a glider would be great

[strange wave]

meanwhile chang would devour compys, homalos, oros, hypsi etc

[rocky sable]

why add microraptor when they cant do anything but eat shit like i could see young raptors keeping microraptors alive as chew toy and not even fear it

[covert birch]

but certain gliders for example archeo
Would be food for compys lol

ofc you can upsize it

[rocky sable]

(remind we what chang is)

[novel lotus]

Because they could glide and it would be fucking awesome

[covert birch]

Tommy scroll up

velo iszed micro

Dobby, thats where you can add larger gliders who arent compy snacks

[rocky sable]

ah yes

[covert birch]

Changyuraptor and baluar are great examples

especially baluar can work since once again
Omnivore glider where we lack omnis ingame

we have only like 2

[novel lotus]

Yeah but they wouldn’t be able to climb trees because they too big

[covert birch]

Dobby they did irl lol

[strange wave]

they would

[novel lotus]

The trees in the isle tho

[silver zephyr]

[novel lotus]

They’re tiny

[covert birch]

No they arent

[strange wave]

no they arent

[covert birch]

they are larger then brachi

[novel lotus]

Wot

[strange wave]

the evrima trees are fucking massive

[rocky sable]

have you seen the evrima jungle trees

[novel lotus]

oh

Nevermind then

[rocky sable]

plus all the rocks

[strange wave]

then again your new here im guessing and haven't seen them

[covert birch]

I mean i do agree a glider would be fuckin great

[novel lotus]

I haven’t played evrima

[covert birch]

but there are some which are just compy food lol

ah

[novel lotus]

So I only know about v3 trees

Oops lol

[covert birch]

v3 trees are still taller then brachi
at least some of the pine/redwoods

[rocky sable]

and look at the swmap trees , they pretty thick

[novel lotus]

Wait

Changyu is still small

Could deinychus glide

[strange wave]

its velo sized

[novel lotus]

probally not

[strange wave]

fuck no

[novel lotus]

fuckkkk

[covert birch]

deino couldnt nah

[strange wave]

a human sized raptor is not gliding

[covert birch]

wait what

deinon aint human sized lol

[novel lotus]

Why couldn’t rock drake exist in real life

[covert birch]

a what

[silver zephyr]

bruh

[novel lotus]

u play ark

[covert birch]

no

[strange wave]

take this for scale, chang is velo sized and micro is compy

[novel lotus]

Well rock drakes are these huge lizards

Who can glide

Climb mountains

And other shit like that

And when I mean huge I mean like fucking Rex size

[covert birch]

Ok so here be a better image
Micro is the bottom one, zhenyuanlong is the bigger one
Zhen is bout the same size as changyu except a lot heavier (also diff proportions)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/690651273485221938/D71aaHcWkAIgtDA.png

[novel lotus]

Which isn’t very realistic now that I think about it but they’re awesome

[covert birch]

those just sound like dragons

[strange wave]

ark isnt realistic

[covert birch]

ik ark has dragons n myth shit now

[novel lotus]

It’s not true ark

[strange wave]

most of the animals are 90+ ft long

[novel lotus]

it’s not true flight*

[covert birch]

ark is like ridiculous lol

[novel lotus]

Yeah but it’s ridiculously awesome

[covert birch]

sand shark cocavenator lol

[strange wave]

no it isnt dobby

[silver zephyr]

giga shark

[novel lotus]

that’s a mod

[strange wave]

its complete trash

i would fucking know

[novel lotus]

No it isn’t

[covert birch]

the bugs from when i played it too

holy crap

[novel lotus]

Have you played it?

[covert birch]

ages ago

and from what i was told

its still buggy as fuck

[novel lotus]

The bugs should be fine now lol

[strange wave]

dobby i would know

[silver zephyr]

jeez

[novel lotus]

Okay, but why do u hate it

Did u play pvp and get wiped

[covert birch]

i dont hate it lol

[strange wave]

because its about as optimized as a brick is for flying

[novel lotus]

Taking to Bork

[strange wave]

bugs that destroy the experience

[novel lotus]

So your angry because u can’t run it

[strange wave]

i have a monster pc

[novel lotus]

That’s ur computers fault not the games fault then

[strange wave]

the game is optimized like a brick

[covert birch]

what

[novel lotus]

I can run it fine on my 16 gig ram

Yeah when u go near a mega tribe it’s of course gonna be laggy

[strange wave]

this is offtopic though

[covert birch]

I mean, optimization is an important part of a game

[novel lotus]

But other then that it’s fine

[strange wave]

but main point is micro trash changyu good

[silver zephyr]

remove velo

jk

[covert birch]

velos great

[novel lotus]

I didn’t know about changyu lol

Velo has feathers tho

[covert birch]

keep it featherless 2020

[novel lotus]

noooo

[covert birch]

yes

the velo model be lookin like a beaut

[novel lotus]

Feathered raptors are cooler and more realistic

[covert birch]

they mostly look like basic birds

[silver zephyr]

i do wonder what velo would do

[covert birch]

and as you said before
"when was this game realistic"

[novel lotus]

Fair enough

[silver zephyr]

[covert birch]

who cares anyways tho since animals are getting feather options

[novel lotus]

I guess that was abit ironic

[covert birch]

i do wonder what velo would do
juvi utah who can pounce + burrow raider

[novel lotus]

But idk I like feathered raptors

[silver zephyr]

🧐 hmm

[novel lotus]

they look pretty nice to me

[strange wave]

juvi utah who can pounce + burrow raider
better yet can upkeep burrows unlike all other burrow raiders

[covert birch]

doubt burrow upkeep will be a thin

[silver zephyr]

[covert birch]

but if it is hey epic i guess

[silver zephyr]

pog

i guess

[inner orbit]

Feathered raptors look more natural but not cooler

Keep velo featherless and add a feathered variant

[fallow valve]

Aw man, that's a prejudice. Because of the feathers, I can come up with more design ideas. Therefore, feathered dinosaurs can be designed as cool as scaled ones.

As you said, Feather options would be nice btw.

[cobalt compass]

afaik was it mentioned that there shall be an option in char selection for feathers. think that was from foszor earlier this year

[hasty radish]

@runic rune ✅, (make a reaction underneath if you want)

[frigid cosmos]

"pinkish red= looking for mate "

[carmine vector]

how long do you guy's feel it should take before evrema has all the dinosaurs the original build had I some idea of the development status

[tepid gate]

This is probably a question better asked in Isle-discussion

[carmine vector]

OK sorry I'm a bit new to discord

[tepid gate]

Don't worry, it's fine, it could probably be asked here too but you're more likely to get an answer from other users there

[cobalt compass]

shhhhh....

maybe dont ask this in #401464048610312195, could be a sad experience

[carmine vector]

OK thanks for the help

and not realy i just wanna know what the fuck is going on

[eternal owl]

@barren zephyr Minmi can't really be a clone either way, because, if I remember correctly, minmi is much smaller

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr Minmi can't really be a clone either way, because, if I remember correctly, minmi is much smaller
@eternal owl yeah i know size difference but with that isnt enough. For example Tarbo is a rex clone despite being pracically the half of its weight, or beipi being aquatic was made because if you make it terrestrial it will be another theri, smaller but practically the same.

[barren zephyr]

@night mountain no u

[vast wolf]

@barren zephyr the creatures from legacy are getting overhauled. the locomotion is changing on 90% of the roster.

[barren zephyr]

okay

[cobalt compass]

also thats a "buff/nerf dino-X" suggestion, not cool

[frigid cosmos]

buff utah i cant assride rexes properly

[cobalt compass]

thats just your lack of skill

utah is fine

[frigid cosmos]

i was joking....

[barren zephyr]

well.... if suggesting of buff/nerf dino is not ''allowed'' , I never knew of that kinda thing

[empty dove]

Honestly, giga doesn’t need to be faster than rex. Giga doesn’t need to be able to 1v1 a rex easily, already me and my pair have 2v2ed many rexes as gigas. It’s really not that bad

You make it faster than rex and you have to do 1 of 2 things: 1: make rex slower, 2: make giga weaker. Cuz giga faster than rex? Yeahhhh rip trike population. Giga is honestly better than rex other than a few matchups… or the giga player that mains rex and what is bleed

also pretty sure the whole “no buff/nerf X dino” thing only applies to just saying literally “make this dino better” or “make this dino worse” not really giving what you think should be changed and why I believe…

[cobalt compass]

MysteryDryo, i dont have it on hand rn, but somewhere in pins is a post of an admin, think it was SaoulZod with stating it

i know Milo
😎👉:point_right:

[civic carbon]

pinned in #general-feedback

[frigid cosmos]

oh sorry lol

[cobalt compass]

ahh ty @civic carbon

[covert birch]

well.... if suggesting of buff/nerf dino is not ''allowed'' , I never knew of that kinda thing
You can suggest buff this n that stuff
But like, you need to give reasons why that arent like irl ones

[tepid gate]

If Rexes are losing to Gigas in a 2v2 scenario they need to l2p, it's as simple as that. Even a single Rex can at times take out 2 gigas 1v2. Also Giga being faster doesn't really change its match up with the Trike at all so that whole argument is a completely moot point. And finally Giga isn't 1v1ing a Rex easily, if alt turn is turned on Rex has no right to lose against a Giga and if it does - it again has to l2p.

[barren zephyr]

yeah but... I had this going in like ''real life'' but still... it's just suggestion... but whatever, it's gone for now then

and I never knew that reason can't be like from ''real life'' I'm not really best with discord, so it's hard/not hard to me see things, read or do things, but some things are still being worked on me, like... I'm teaching myself

and I for some reason apologises (sry not best english yet, still learning) for not knowing some things >:

[tepid gate]

It's fine to argue for more accuracies in the game, however the gameplay has to come first so you'd generally have to argue why making Giga faster than Rex/making Rex slower than Giga would be a good idea gameplay wise. As it is - if you make Giga faster than Rex it would absolutely annihilate the rest of the roster with exception of Rex and Trike. Making Rex slower than Giga could work but you would need to compensate it to Rex in some way. Besides the legacy is kind of irrelevant now balance-wise.

[vestal rune]

also please keep in mind, this game ISN'T realistic. The game shoves animals from vastly different places and times all into one ecosystem, there is no way that they'd be balanced if the animals were accurate to their real life versions, that's why fictionalisation is absolutely necessary otherwise the game would be incredibly unbalanced

imagine trying to balance an ecosystem with a polar bear, lion and a tiger in it, that's basically what the game is trying to do

[barren zephyr]

yeah, I kinda forgot whole thing, because I played some other games for a while, I have bad memory ;D

[frigid cosmos]

first person

@outer cloak no

[outer cloak]

Why not it would make the game more immersive. And I'm pretty sure if it was to ever be added(most likely not) you could change between first and third person views. @frigid cosmos

[frigid cosmos]

no

[covert birch]

iirc there were issues with first person

at least from a realism/immersion perspective

[barren zephyr]

it's very difficult to make being a large animal without feeling clunky work

[inner orbit]

Idk if I’d like first person

[barren zephyr]

in first person

[frigid cosmos]

first person is shite with dinos

[inner orbit]

Even from a gameplay standpoint

[covert birch]

Oh yea first person + the animations with how the animals heads move n such was the issue

also the fact like first person on an oro with its eyes on the side of its head somewhat had realistic issues

[inner orbit]

It would be strange

[barren zephyr]

people who argued that are weird

[inner orbit]

You would have a massive blind spot in front of you

[covert birch]

but like imo something that lets ya see in front of ya would be helpful especially since trying to ambush from the treeline your fucked

since you cant see in front of you

[inner orbit]

Except if you have binocular vision you have the disadvantage of seeing things that are behind you

[covert birch]

I mean thats your own fault for choosing 1st person

[barren zephyr]

natural selection 2 has the best first person animal camera

[covert birch]

I saw a suggestion that had it wasnt direct first person but you can kinda pick where the camera floats above your body

so that can help with the issues of ambush while not having the chunkiness first person would have with anims n such

[inner orbit]

Yeah I wouldn’t ever use first person anyway

[barren zephyr]

well thats not the problem if you would use it

[covert birch]

Here it was
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/641276939184767012 suggestion link

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/641276948479213598/zoom_3.jpg image link

[inner orbit]

Most people probably wouldn’

Use first person

[barren zephyr]

yeah but there would be a clear disadvantage.

to using it without a hud of it's own

[covert birch]

its just a zoom thing

Which works much better then on off switch

hell i even zoom in sometimes when trying to ambush b/c bushes block most of my view

[barren zephyr]

^ which can be helpful

[covert birch]

Like imo just that suggestion just does it the best way
So you can easily swap back n forth from when there is/isnt a disadvantage

[barren zephyr]

it's just i think that the camera should zoom you into the mouth and have a hud of the animal you're playing as's mouth. and you can just aim your camera on the spot you hit

again like natural selection 2

cuz that has like the best camera for creatures

[frigid cosmos]

wait natural selection 2 is an actual game.....?

[barren zephyr]

yea

[frigid cosmos]

oh right.....

[inner orbit]

Or in AvP 2010 which as an alien it was first person if you preformed a headbite it would zoom inside your mouth

I like that idea

[inner orbit]

@torn needle why?

It’s such a weird thing to want

[torn needle]

ark has mod that allow mating animation

[civic carbon]

why tho

[inner orbit]

But that’s not the base game

And still like Alberto Simp said why?

@torn needle you blocked them?

@icy knoll you got blocked?

[icy knoll]

mhm

they aint responding so i think so

[torn needle]

i didnt

[covert birch]

We already know mating anims wont be added,
Nor is it really a good addition since dinos work like fish in this game where the female lays the eggs and the male fertilizes it

at least thats how we were told it will work

[civic carbon]

also it's a bit weird to have mating anims

feels like its encroaching on fetish territory

[icy knoll]

a bit weird

i dont think i ever want to have kids with someone in the game if im going to see a sucho mounting another sucho

[inner orbit]

Ye

That’s creepy

It’s getting into some real dark places with that l

[icy knoll]

thats when you know the devs havent had any sexual interaction in years with anybody and they are locked in basment or attic forever

[vast wolf]

one of the developers got multiple strikes for talking about mating animations. thats how much some of the team dislikes the idea.

[icy knoll]

mmmmm u sure?

[vast wolf]

half of hypnos strikes are from it.

[covert birch]

Mfw they are joke strikes

[vast wolf]

tbf yes. the devs still have shot it down a ton.

[covert birch]

Pre paradym leaving he made a statement bout mating anims
Its pinned in #401464048610312195 somewhere

[untold yew]

I can see why

[vast wolf]

from what i understand it will be like fish. female lays egg male fertilizes it after.

[icy knoll]

oh i thought the female makes eggs but the male has to place nest

[vast wolf]

thats bob and is a horrible system on my opinion.

ah yes i place nest and it dose nothing.

[shell willow]

eh, I prefer BoB's over land fish ngl

[pale schooner]

Well males are the nest builders, typically

[covert birch]

@thorny lynx meat chunks are back

[untold yew]

Ayyyy

[silver zephyr]

wait blue what

🤔

[untold yew]

Nom nom nom

@covert birch

[silver zephyr]

🤔

what do meat chunks do

[covert birch]

literally just carryable meat

[silver zephyr]

sick

[covert birch]

ya get one of those if ya too small to carry the meat iirc

plus those come out in eating anims

[silver zephyr]

thats cool

[untold yew]

Ayy

Glad that's back in

[silver zephyr]

just yoink a piece of meat and run off

[covert birch]

Nvm they are not back
it seems the meat chunk in my mouth was a glitch

appeared in my mouth after eating a lot

[silver zephyr]

Oop

[untold yew]

Rip

[covert birch]

@rare jay the reason as to the lack of AI in the patch today was due to the fact they wished to stop delaying the update b/c there were multiple large ai bugs that they werent fully able to fix on time

[rare jay]

Than how long should we wait again i know that Problem can BE everythere but i think the ai should be a big part of the game till the Start of envirma and Not after a half year its like you doing a survival game without food your Not coming very far

[random imp]

developing something brand new takes time dude

if you tink you can do it apply for the team.

criticizing without a good argument is easy

[rare jay]

Why no Argument the envirma cancel the complet gameplay for me and mutch other Player we can play on Our Servers becouse they are rules and rp Server so no ai no carni Player and no carni Player no herbi and the server is empty

[languid crown]

Godzilla had stroke reading that and died

[rare jay]

Want to blame me becouse i cant write like you want?just stay on the discussion without that offense shit.

[inner orbit]

Woah

That got salty quick

[hoary token]

Very salty

[inner orbit]

Some people can’t understand jokes

[random imp]

i did not understand your point FellWalze

[inner orbit]

I didn’t either

[rare jay]

what do you mean, i want ai in some way or do you mean that i think its not ok to make fun or "jokes" about my english
spelling from someone i dint even know ?

what from this 2 dont you get ?

[languid crown]

Ok, you want AI because on your RP server carnivores have to kill other players because they will starve otherwise? And you only want them killing AI?

[barren zephyr]

@ashen elm you’ve done a good suggestion. Though I’d like to add or change stego into migrational animals and Rex into nomadic predators. It feels like stego would need as large amount of nutrition as trike but wouldn’t form herds as large as the chasmosaurs. More like a family group of 8-20 members (a bit bigger then trike herds) and I don’t see how stego couldn’t migrate like ceratopsians. For the Rex he has more then enough capacity of stalk a migration herd.

[ashen elm]

Thanks for reading the suggestion!

Hmm yea some of the dinosaurs could definitely still be switched around in terms of labels/groups. I kinda like Stego as a regional animal lol but I think it would work as migrational too.

TBH there is a lot variance you could do between the two. More of a spectrum than one or the other. Depending on how harsh/complex the nutrition system is for encouraging herbivores to move.

[rare jay]

its not about only killing ai its about the choice. on the rp / realism server your primary goal is to life and there are mutch people they did not have this mutch experience in fighting and dont like this killing out of fun.they do like roleplay style but this is only possible if its ai in the game, otherwise it will end like every server becouse you need to eat. and yes we talk about that the ai will be strong to but in the end it will also be ballance for sure .

[barren zephyr]

That’s a good point. There aren’t really much we could tell before the nutrition system is out and yes there could be a lot more variation of migration types.

[slate marlin]

If I can add my thoughts to Bronto's suggestion: be careful of not generalizing too much. For example 'this category has low this, that and this again' if you get what I mean. I like the idea of splitting into categories but every dinosaur is still unique on its own and we shouldn't make something weaker/stronger just because it fits in here

[ashen elm]

I get what you mean. I think if a dinosaur is unique, all the better. The reason I'm using general terms is because I think those traits are what are required to function in that role.

Animals with low stamina and/or speed are poor migrational animals. ie something like Minmi. Could they do a rotation around the map? Sure. Would they be good at it and get to nurtional plants first before the rest of the herd? Probably not.

[barren zephyr]

It could also be a bit up to what the player wants. Like if someone want to migrate as a homo, why not.

[ashen elm]

Yep! I just wouldn't necessarily encourage as the best survival strategy lol.

[slate marlin]

yeah. Like I was confused how you've put Sucho in the 'Endemic Predator' category cause you've labeled them as having low speed and stamina while Sucho does have formidable stamina. I could be nitpicking but I understand where you're coming from

[ebon crypt]

FellWalze, I think that we all want AI and I do see your point. I don't like killing others all that much either, but the thing is that AI at the moment could cause issues to the point where the game becomes unplayable. Punch stated that AI can cause huge performance issues and players can't interact with each other. Plus, AI is just also a free meal based on Punch's description, which would take away the fun from survival servers. While AI could and probably will be a server option, at the moment it seems to be causing way more problems, and can interfere in the game. I know it sucks, but we just gotta go back to waiting.

[ashen elm]

A lot of is just guesswork, since I have no idea how they really plan on balancing stamina since it might be too important to combat. Plus lots of animals may change stats depending on what role they want it to fit.

If it's a balance issue, they may need to make compromises with that.

[barren zephyr]

Well we all have our own opinions of different dinosaur. I told bronto before I thought stego would be good as a migrational animal

[ashen elm]

But I appreciate the feedback! The main thing is just making the devs aware of this issue.

I really rather not every animal be forced to move around frequently as a gameplan since it doesn't really make sense for some.

[barren zephyr]

^

[slate marlin]

yeah that's true

in which category would you put pterosaurs then?

[barren zephyr]

And no worries, we all want feedback to our feedback lol

It has its own

[ashen elm]

Probably nomadic, though you could make a case for endemic if they stick to the coasts for certain marine fish.

[slate marlin]

It has its own
yeah that's what I was thinking, they're special in their own way

[ashen elm]

Oh but yea since they have not the same stats that I was using as descriptions lol

[barren zephyr]

Yeah but I also agree with bronto

[inner orbit]

Slower animals should definitely be regional

[barren zephyr]

An animal can still be unique but still be in a category

[inner orbit]

Something like galli should be nomadic

[rare jay]

the performance think is sure primary and it will always be . in my position and the servers i play on they are empty and i think they didnt come back till some content is coming .

[inner orbit]

Or hadrosaurs in general

[barren zephyr]

Agree presto

[inner orbit]

I wouldn’t want to be an anky that has to walk halfway across the map

[ashen elm]

lol yea. The important thing is making the slower animals not have as harsh nutritional requirements. They are not going to be able to compete with getting the same resources as faster animals because slow.

Unless they get different resources and there is no competition. Such as Sauropods which are slow but can basically reach into trees were no other animals can reach.

[inner orbit]

So things like stegosaurs,ceratopsians and ankylosaurs should be regional don’t you agree?

And then hadrosaurs and gallimimus and most fast herbivores would be migratory

[ashen elm]

Stegosaurs and Ankylosaurs yea.

Ceratopsids... I could see as either kinda like Stegosaurs. I would encourage migration because you do see migration examples in the fossil record. Maybe like Sauropods they just have good stamina instead of speed.

[inner orbit]

Ye

I agree

[slate marlin]

that depends Primate, a herbivore group mixed with different species can turn into one big migrational herd because they have the protection, time and capabilities for it

stegosaurs and ankylosaurs will have difficulty migrating on their own, but if they had galli or maias with them? Then yes it'd give them more option and freedom to migrate

[ashen elm]

I could see that too yea. I wonder if they'll allow plant dragging/giving ala BoB.

[cobalt compass]

anyone noticed the new capped health?

[slate marlin]

barely

you have absolutely no indication whatsoever when affected

[cobalt compass]

you do, thats the scars

[slate marlin]

pfffttt the scars you need a magnifying glass for to actually see em? yeah right

I just don't understand why they can't make the scars look bright red and shiny, like how they looked in legacy

[cobalt compass]

also the bloody screen stays

idk, but ig cause they're in a healing state

[slate marlin]

sorry but if I can be honest, combat in evrima is still a mess. 99% of the time you can't tell what's going on, you don't know what bleed screen you're at or whether your dinosaur is hurt by visual change or something. You just don't know

[cobalt compass]

honest and valid critism is always appreciated

[slate marlin]

the only thing you see is a little bit of blood around the edges and you just gotta guess when you're in a critical state

visual clarity is so so important in combat, it does much more than you'd think

like in legacy, you can exactly tell how bad you're hurt because each bleed screen looks different. And if you have no idea how hard you're bleeding then take a look at your dinosaur and see how scarred it is. We don't have any of that in evrima yet

[sand oar]

The screen goes a bit black/dark when you are in last screen

[slate marlin]

alright it's kinda scuffed but I've got a comparison ready

[barren zephyr]

You all know how Ark screen visuals work like? When a player is hurt, it shows something like how it is in the Isle but when a player has dangerous low health the blood screen around moves in and out, following up with the beat of the heart you can hear. Maybe that could be a thing for Evrima? Along with adjusted hearing (blurry noise and tinnitus) and less colorful visuals of the map when near dead. What y’all think?

[cobalt compass]

it is already in but not as much prominent

[barren zephyr]

Really?

[slate marlin]

whatever other games have as their health indicator, I just think that evrima theirs still needs work

[cobalt compass]

except the tinnitus

[slate marlin]

at least the indicators need to be worked on

[barren zephyr]

If then it needs to be adjusted. Like I have never noticed that

Increased in other words

[slate marlin]

like for example make the scars bigger and give it a shiny bright red color instead of faint dull pink

[barren zephyr]

^

[slate marlin]

also make the bleed screens more dynamic and more severe cause you can barely tell the differences between 2nd, 3rd and 4th screen except for that 4th screen makes your screen turn a little black

[cobalt compass]

many details are already implemented, but you need a keen eye for them

[barren zephyr]

I would love to see some blood that flows down the scars along the dinos side and to the ground

[slate marlin]

I mean yeah just anything at all that makes it clearly visible your dinosaur is hurt

[barren zephyr]

You shouldn’t need one to see them

[slate marlin]

cause a little bit of blood around the edges of the screen and tiny faint scars aren't gonna tell you

[cobalt compass]

the actual "scarred health" is a compromise of the highly demanded perma scars and the heavy impact they would generate on the server

[barren zephyr]

Btw about the scar addition, was that someone’s suggestion at first?

[slate marlin]

even if it's not permanent, show us! Show us loud and clearly that our dinosaur is scarred for a temporary time

[cobalt compass]

yes that came from the community

[barren zephyr]

Like in the feedback channel

[cobalt compass]

phew, thats a while back now, hang on

[slate marlin]

like imagine bringing in a new mechanic and you have absolutely no idea or indication whether it's happening or not

that's like putting in bleed but your dinosaur isn't bleeding visually although it is affected by it

[barren zephyr]

Ngl, I think the get up fast thing came from one of my suggestion a while back

Lol

[cobalt compass]

#general-feedback message

[vast wolf]

[cobalt compass]

thats just one of many

[slate marlin]

ah back in the time when emotes in feedback were a thing

[cobalt compass]

yes, mrghariel?

[safe galleon]

giant gorillas would feel really out of place in the game

plus why would they even be there

[frigid cosmos]

add monke

[keen flume]

@safe galleon
in theory dinosaurs and gorillas are from the same era I think it would be cool maybe

[covert birch]

what

Gorillas are a much later thing to dinos lol

But htis island is in modern times so 🤷‍♂️

[hasty radish]

i'm not sure xD

[covert birch]

plus we are getting something a bit gorilla like

at least in the tap fanart this boi just seemed like lizard king kong

[frigid cosmos]

mmmm golrila

[keen flume]

plus we are getting something a bit gorilla like
@covert birch
I took the example of films not in the reality of the time haha

plus we are getting something a bit gorilla like
@covert birch
just like the king kong movie itself that has several dinosaur creatures gorillas etc etc

[covert birch]

Just adding king kong to the isle and the best addition lol

the whole vrex scene, in at least an isle scenario, he wouldve died quite easily lol

we will be getting modern jungle animals tho like frogs n such, so maybe monkey ai will be on the trees

[keen flume]

Just adding king kong to the isle and the best addition lol
@covert birch
yes I agree with you

[covert birch]

Mistyped there

meant to say wouldnt be the best addition

[keen flume]

meant to say wouldnt be the best addition
@covert birch
yes i agree with you in theory

[barren zephyr]

So... we are talking about a mega primate now in a game meant for dinos

[cobalt compass]

comedy at its best

[barren zephyr]

[slate marlin]

@thorny crag that's what we a call a disgustang bug

[cobalt compass]

yep, a known issue that was willingly taken so that not more time is being wasted by useless qa testing

[barren zephyr]

Useless!?

[slate marlin]

shame on you

[cobalt compass]

ash on my head

i couldnt fix it in time

[slate marlin]

how dare you even call it wasting time when it's part of the job hah

[cobalt compass]

jobs are paid

[slate marlin]

are you getting paid though

[cobalt compass]

this is mostly relaxing free time

[slate marlin]

well at least it isn't gamebreaking or anything, very minor so I can let it pass

[cobalt compass]

thank you

no but to be real, sometimes its truely funny what we encounter in our builds and sometimes it just make you want to quit and cry in bed alone

[slate marlin]

I'd believe so

if only we ever could get a glimpse of what a fresh QA build would look like

[cobalt compass]

maybe you get a chance, you could also send an applicationt to hypno

[slate marlin]

meh idk really, if I had the time and dedication sure I'd like to but I'll be a busy student soon

[cobalt compass]

you'd can imagine it like a dozen ppl have an identical puzzle with 1k parts, than everyone has a different table and chair to build on... but in the end we need to get all puzzles to the same solution

[slate marlin]

hmm I see

do you need any coding knowledge for QA?

[thorny crag]

lol

[torn thistle]

Well, they got H-Colossus for a big primate-ish monster planned for further down the road, Bannido. Doubt they could have actual Kong, since copyright laws and all that.
https://i.imgur.com/pvS33Vc.jpg https://i.imgur.com/e9kQqHl.png

sorry to sorta drown out your comment there, Fla

[inner orbit]

WTH

Is that face

[strange wave]

its a face

[vast wolf]

a wild colossus appeared.

[vast wolf]

that thing is old. like nearly 3 years old.

[tepid gate]

@cobalt compass I honestly haven't noticed the scars on my dinosaur when my HP got locked. Also: does the scarring occur only when you enter the last screen during the combat? I'd just been in a fight a moment ago where I dropped to... I think half my health and I healed up completely within minutes.

Also as for the damage being displayed on screen, I think it's largely a matter of getting used to it. Everyone is simply less used to the new screens in comparison to the old ones, however I can somewhat reliably distinguish them by now however that's after spending some serious time in Evrima. I believe that they are somewhat less clear(which might be done on purpose?) and harder to distinguish from one another than the ones in the legacy bu it's definitely not impossible.

[cobalt compass]

@tepid gate its pretty hard to tell at first, but if you take serious damage you'll notice that the last bit of the blood screen stays. this portion of your healthpool is locked until you've rested for a longer time

[craggy scarab]

@zinc anvil Yup, still some kinks to work out. Thanks!

[slate marlin]

still hoping they'll improve the visual clarity in combat situations some day in the future

and especially the scarring because you just can't see it at all. I know it's there but it definitely isn't enough to tell by quick glance how hurt you are and that should be important in stressful situations

[craggy scarab]

Everything is still WIP, definitely needs more clarity!

[cobalt compass]

plans are that these scars can be used by players to detect the weakest dino in a herd, so you select it for the kill

like irl

going for the weakest to increase chances of succsses

[slate marlin]

that'll never work with how blind to the eye it is now, good luck with detecting that from a distance

[cobalt compass]

i personally hope we get additionaly some kind of smell to it

sick animals smell different than healthy ones

[fallen narwhal]

Do the desync happen on all official servers?

[craggy scarab]

Or scars that don't just appear all over the body, but more battle scare like

[fallen narwhal]

Ist that worse than before?

[slate marlin]

it is worse yes, not sure what happened there

last patch was an improvement though, now we've taken 2 steps back again

[fallen narwhal]

Thats my thought too, sadly, but maybe we are wrong

[slate marlin]

nah you're 100% right since the teleporting utah issue has returned in severe numbers

[fallen narwhal]

And its a pretty simple bug to fix

[craggy scarab]

oh?

[fallen narwhal]

I played one hour and in the last 20mins it was unplayable :/

[cobalt compass]

do you need any coding knowledge for QA?
@slate marlin sorry overread that, no you dont

[fallen narwhal]

I want to try it with tenonto soon

[slate marlin]

oh, thanks lol

[cobalt compass]

currently at work and just checking from time to time

[slate marlin]

sure no problem

[craggy scarab]

We've got a couple things we are tracking for server performance. One step forward 🙂

[fallen narwhal]

Havent you encountered this kind of teleportations in QA, Melonidas & Co., right

[cobalt compass]

yea, we did

but not as heavy as the public as we are just small numbered

[fallen narwhal]

We've got a couple things we are tracking for server performance. One step forward 🙂
@craggy scarab so you mean, there is server problems as well?

[cobalt compass]

so we thought we got it under control

[fallen narwhal]

but not as heavy as the public as we are just small numbered
@cobalt compass yeah, understandable

[craggy scarab]

The teleportations (unless your ping individually is high) is due to server yeah

[fallen narwhal]

Netcoding isnt it?

I have totally no clue about coding or something in that, lol

[slate marlin]

that's why the dev team needs to prioritize looking for a networking programmer

[fallen narwhal]

But this time, its really really sad to see and to play

[slate marlin]

it could help them so much

[craggy scarab]

Eh not necessarily, UE4 does a ton of it itself.

[slate marlin]

still, it's always good to have a person who is specialized in a certain area

[craggy scarab]

of course, hence why they are looking

[fallen narwhal]

Have you tested the actual version?

Trev

You are QA, nvm

[craggy scarab]

🙂

[fallen narwhal]

I would like to ask how many people in one server you're to test

Is there a number close to 50?

[craggy scarab]

Yeah

[fallen narwhal]

Hm..

So, I am supporting this game since Feb. 2019 and I am here daily reading and sometimes commumcating :) I want this Game being a good game and I still support it. I have to wait ;)

I just saw other Dinosaur games which havent much potentional as The Isle has with evrima

[craggy scarab]

I think we all do! QA is working hard. Takes time.

[slate marlin]

hey Trevor, I see you like pterosaurs based on your pfp hmm?

[fallen narwhal]

Good things take time yeah. In one way = sadly, but this is how it is. But never steps back

[craggy scarab]

Yup!

[slate marlin]

so... what do you think about Quetz then ?

[craggy scarab]

I'm going to love all the fliers, whichever ones they pick.

[cobalt compass]

Quality = Time×Skills+Money

[fallen narwhal]

I was reporting 2 bugs today, one included fps drops at water sources, is that known :)

[craggy scarab]

water sources in general or around waterfalls?

[cobalt compass]

there is a public doc from hypno with known public bug reports

[fallen narwhal]

General, on a river

[slate marlin]

is Hypno and co aware of the fps drops around swamp areas?

[craggy scarab]

Probably better to move to #723294838610722847

[fallen narwhal]

there is a public doc from hypno with known public bug reports
@cobalt compass Yeah but only 3 since the patch, so I have reported it

[craggy scarab]

Yup, swamps still WIP

[slate marlin]

alright, good to know

[fallen narwhal]

Everytime a random mate and I also walked into and outside water we got a stutter fps issue

Good that I streamed, so everything has been sent

I mean, one of the main gamebreaking bug is actually the desync/teleportation when you are with many players at one place

[tepid gate]

@cobalt compass I know that, I've noticed that I was still at a very slight first screen today after having lost most of my health in a fight. Healing that up was taking forever so that's probably the locked health. However this has occurred only when I got dropped to the last screen, that's why I'm asking whether it's something that happens only if you drop to the last screen. Every other fight I had where my hp hadn't gone below half I eventually healed up all of my hp.

[fallen narwhal]

I also saw dragging corpses is also bugged since the patch... I need to check that out

[tepid gate]

I'm also somewhat sceptical whether this mechanic will end up working as intended knowing the playerbase.

[fallen narwhal]

All in one, Have a great one, stay safe and cya

😎

[craggy scarab]

Thanks @fallen narwhal! you too!

[cobalt compass]

i think it starts locking the hp in the last screen, and considering how often you take damage within that screen it will gradually increase this locked health

so if your coming out of a fight once or twice and they were critical, it shouldnt be that much of an issue, but surviving serveal times with just the minimum of hp you'll end up with just eg. 70% of max hp

as always these numbers are wip and can be tuned to fit various situations

[slate marlin]

I thought Filipe himself said there was a limit to the health lock mechanic?

[tepid gate]

You do eventually heal it up fully though even in the current build, is that right?

[slate marlin]

like you can't stack the damage till a player only has like 10% max hp left

[cobalt compass]

likely possible, i think rn its between 70-80%

[tepid gate]

As in - the intention is that resting/sleeping/mud walloing is supposed to help heal it up faster, however it's not impossible to just heal it up with time currently

or am I wrong and you can't regain that health at all?

[sand oar]

you can heal it up normally

[cobalt compass]

right, but it should take a staggering amount of time to get back to 100%

[tepid gate]

Does resting have any effect on this for now?

[slate marlin]

I believe it heals very fast, been in combat multiple times today and never had much issues waiting too long to heal up. On the contrary, I would've never known if my health was locked or not cause there's no indication (something that should be worked on)

[cobalt compass]

im not sure, @sand oar whats your opinion on that?

[tepid gate]

I'm sort of supportive of the idea to not allow the players to fully heal up their health while just walking around in combat, I do think that resting should allow to heal it up eventually though.

From what Punch said the resting affecting this is a work in progress, however perhaps one of you guys has noticed whether it has some effect or absolutely no effect now, that's why I'm asking

[sand oar]

-Added locked health system. After taking damage, a portion of that damage becomes locked from your maximum health, causing scars that take significantly more time to heal. (Sleep, wallow and rest are going to affect this in the future)

They do heal but very slow.

[slate marlin]

then those scars should look more expressive and different than the normal ones you get from a fight

cause as of right now there's no way to tell the difference. Maybe it's still a WIP (I hope), but I hope they can make it more clear and distinct in the future

[cobalt compass]

yea we need something than tells from the distance cleary "that dude is fucked, lets take him" if you're hunting

[tepid gate]

The question is how slow is very slow and whether resting while healing those up helps in any way.

[cobalt compass]

imo wallowing+resting will give your hp regen a boost

[ashen elm]

What do you think about the health lock stacking more significantly? I like the health lock system and think it could be useful in giving guerilla tactics more consequences. Which at this time unfortunately without bleed is pretty much free.

[slate marlin]

I've just realized how far more dangerous and more risky evrima combat is gonna be than in legacy.
In legacy you can enter a fight and win or lose, and if you win you just heal up the bleed and you're good to go.
In evrima however, oh boy... you can start a fight but it doesn't matter much whether you win or lose because both have serious consequences. Say you win a fight, then you're still stuck with bleed and your dinosaur is temporarily scarred. Other carnivores can smell you now from afar cause you're soaking in blood. Plus your health is locked so you let's say you heal up you're immediately at a disadvantage in the next fight.

also not to forget that you have to carefully manage your stamina in evrima. The moment your stamina reaches zero you're dead and have lost the fight.

[rocky sable]

yeah evrima is like more like real life , animals want to avoid injury as best they can while still attacking the enemy/prey so i guess that makes the game harder , you need strategy and pack/herds which will be fun yet challenging

[ashen elm]

I like the idea Criniti. That would help with transparency too. 😃

[ebon crypt]

Dryo, do you mean the prey item just gets outlined if you sniff near it? Cause that's not a great idea. Let's say you are the triceratops in your suggestion. You make a great camo skin and are chilling in some bushes, hidden. Then some Rex tracks your footsteps and sees you immediately because you were outlined. This puts a huge disadvantage on herbi players and completely destroys any attempts at camo or hiding.

It just makes a carni's life way easier than it needs to be

[vast wolf]

any attempt to hide would be invalidated and that's all some animals have going for them when theres something larger around. what do you suggest anything smaller than a utah dose if this is put in place?

[barren zephyr]

Rajing, as I renamed my self, to MysteryDryo, my suggestions, have been pretty bad, for sure, idk why, but I know it's bad idea really

[random imp]

then if you know that is a bad idea and is gonna be ignored why suggest it in the first place?

[barren zephyr]

@random imp it's simble answer...: Because I didn't think much of it in first place

I guess it's better for me to be not suggesting things, because ideas aren't now that good

[grand marlin]

Evrima server eu 2 is lagging in mid combat players kept teleporting at another place (Not allways) it happen just time to time. A bit annoying while fight but got kinda the hang of it how to land bites

[inner orbit]

@ashen elm it sounds like a good idea

I’ve had some terrain issues

Like the terrain being a bit boring

[ashen elm]

Yes. It's a bit too monotone in Evrima. Some larger rivers with man-made bridges and sandbars would be nice.

Heck a large river is a good-ecosystem too

[inner orbit]

I’d also like a hilly biome

Something to change up the monotone environment

Maybe with the plains add a savanna for a slight change of scenery

[ashen elm]

There's a lot options for more biomes; tropical pine forest, coastal mangroves, a proper grassland/savannah, semi-arid shrubland, and even an montane environment.

It just depends on how creative they are and good utilization of ecological barriers/transition zones to make it seem more natural.

[inner orbit]

I agree

Mountain range separating redwoods from jungle would be quite natural

[ashen elm]

Yea that and elevation, as pine tends to occur more often in higher sea level

[inner orbit]

Yes

I hope they do a terrain overhaul sometime

[ashen elm]

Yea just hope the new map maker is open to suggestions/thoughts from the community

[barren zephyr]

@edgy hamlet The ambush mechanic may not be added to the evrima build ever. It has a good meaning behind it to increase the hunting success but it’s a broken piece of shit that gives carnivores too much advantage over herbivores. If it is to return, it has to be reworked entirely.

[edgy hamlet]

Ahh okay, makes sense ^^

[fallen narwhal]

As I see, is SFPS being fixed on some servers or just EU servers are making those problems why the server is lagging so much

[full summit]

I think this latest patch fixed a lot of issues and put the game in a more stable footing. Before the patch it was pretty unplayable for me. With AI i can see myself putting long hours in the game again because it will be a stable self supporting game with the current content and will allow for several play styles.

[bleak atlas]

@full summit ai probably will bring new issues and a lot of bugs. new mechanics in general will do this and make the game more unstable

[mental sleet]

Depends on the mechanics.

[bleak atlas]

True, but ai is one of that mechanics

[mental sleet]

Yep, it's likely that if it came out with the current server fps problems, ohboy.

[fallen narwhal]

Sadly yeh

[drowsy sun]

Hey guys, the game hasn't updated for me and is stuck at the last version, is there a way to update it myself or will it just take time?

[drowsy sun]

Nvm, I worked it out

[ashen elm]

Ohhh interesting suggestion Basyll. I really like it!

Especially sound at night, this will encourage people to be more careful at making any peep(s), unless you want to intimidate/scare people.

Also like the idea of people being able to be louder in dense forests vs plains, because of object obstruction.

[slate marlin]

Thanks! There's one problem with my suggestion however... What if 2 situations overlap each other? Like you're in a forest but it's raining/thundering at the same time. What happens then to how sound travels around? Sounds in forest travel less far but it travels further through rain so should that even it out then? Or should 1 situation always be dominant over the other one? I don't know.

maybe the dominance order should be like this: time of day > weather > dense/open area. That could work right?

[ashen elm]

I think that could work. Though I agree with the suggestion you posted that weather should dominate in most scenarios.

But depending on the team if it gets too complicated, they could just decide to make it cancel out which is ok too I think.

[hoary token]

Basyll best suggestion

[strange wave]

gharial i can already see how that can be abused

so number 1 paras waiting until the stun goes out to chain stun while another para attacks

and 2 paras stunning something then trikes, dibbles, stego, etc all coming in and kicking them while their down

[vast wolf]

mix herding is going to be discouraged by diets for most large animals i believe. there can always be a timer where the predator only gets the 1 second bonus added after so it cant be stun locked.

[inner orbit]

Mix herding should still exist

But it should limit compatible species

[silver zephyr]

@mellow maple good idea

[barren zephyr]

good idea 👍

[inner orbit]

Idk

[twin burrow]

Good idea chief

[inner orbit]

If I agree

[potent ruin]

Great idea

[still quail]

Good Idea @mellow maple!!

[covert birch]

wheat 10/10 idea

[silver zephyr]

🤔 what about 4 sails

[fervent fable]

Yes!

[inner orbit]

It’ll make development even slower

But

[covert birch]

nah 4 isnt enough

[inner orbit]

I like it

[fervent fable]

finally a true artist thought on spino!

[silver zephyr]

better than giga shark tbh

[still raptor]

i accidentally click on #general-feedback and i see this monstrosityhttps://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401481371249541120/745050916629250088/cursed_paleo__the_triplospino_skeletal_by_dragonthunders_ddj7p58-fullview.png

why wheat

[opaque blaze]

Dayum. That's one of the if not THE worst I've ever seen... That jaw, those odd side spines, EVERYTHING

[covert birch]

its good

literally the most accurate and viable spino option

[inner orbit]

It’s super good and accurate

And like blue said it’s viable

This is you if you disagree

🤡

[covert birch]

^^^^^^

[frigid cosmos]

ugliest spino iv ever seen

[covert birch]

its beautiful

you are 🤡

[frigid cosmos]

ok

mf looks nerdy

[ashen wasp]

Spinosaurus was such an efficient apex predator it only needed six teeth

[cobalt compass]

spþinoþaurþ

[ebon crypt]

Wait, I just noticed, but are both of it's legs on the same side?

[cobalt compass]

yep, its a ballerina

[ebon crypt]

Wow, the balance needed for such a lifestyle

[barren zephyr]

@mellow maple I just say.... but for me, I dislike it, well.... lower jaw looks to short for me, tail looks too short, the sail... Well.... Well I can't say thing about that sail because I'm not good at englih

pre sure twas a joke

Don't hink so, because everyone can like what they want, but Idk

it's wheat.

pretty sure it's a joke

[inner orbit]

How did someone not understand it was a joke?

[barren zephyr]

Well first thing is, I'm bad at undrstanding jokes, but then, was it thing that jokes aren't pretty much allowed in Feedback channel?

[inner orbit]

Well

People

Can put whatever they want there

It may not allow it though

[barren zephyr]

hmm

[mellow maple]

I don't know how I got away with it tbh

[barren zephyr]

XD

[strange wave]

mystery

why would a meteor hit the island

this is set in modern times

[barren zephyr]

@strange wave For dinosaur time feeling? and it would be even tho cool

[inner orbit]

A meteor could hit the island

It’s not like they’re only a prehistoric occurrence

But I don’t like the idea

[lilac swallow]

Is not like meteors hit on dinosaur's age on a daily basis

[barren zephyr]

Meteor could hit in these times aswell, but it's like not gonna happen.... yet, but for me, meteor hitting island and no time to react, would be cool (I'm just thinking it as 50% good and 50% bad, or.... idk)

[strange wave]

mystery this is not dinosaur time, why should it feel like it is

[cobalt compass]

@rugged condor why did you died? was it because u sit in a not appropiate place and not hidden? because thats the main reason ppl die when they sit
always be aware of your surroundings, always be on the edge

[barren zephyr]

@strange wave I know, I'm not stupid (I know u didn't say that I am) but, it's possible that meteor could hit in sometime too, but I'm not scientist, but it can be possible, and for least, The Isle is kinda game, that is set in far in future, as the buildings have been pretty much get destroyed, but not all, so, meteor could be possible in that time, but.... Devs decide, and like all of the suggestions might not happen, or like, not happen, and the suggestion are kinda like mine. I'm not saying ''We must get the meteor in game'' or anything like that, only because it would be cool

[icy lion]

the isle is set in modern day, not far in the future

[barren zephyr]

^

Modern? and when is that then

Might be a lil earlier of later

[icy lion]

like... now? 2010s-2020s?

[strange wave]

buildings can crumble into ruin surprisingly fast

[cobalt compass]

more like 2030s

[barren zephyr]

^

[icy lion]

possibly early 2000s as well

ah is it 2030s? idk much about isle or pc lore

[barren zephyr]

yeah but.... modern days, meteor can be possible

I'm not saying it would be 100% possible to it now our near future

*or

[icy lion]

oh yea i wasnt disagreeing with that, but it seems like a lot of work for a possibly routine server wipe

[barren zephyr]

ahh

[strange wave]

also why would we have a meteor when we have more effective ways to slaughter the population of the island

[icy lion]

especially if it only happens during the wipe

[inner orbit]

I have a better idea

Napalm

JP novel reference

Tbh Idk if I’d like that

[barren zephyr]

okay.... now that got bit out of hand... lmao

[icy lion]

hypers are meant as a population killer but in terms of completely wiping a server itd probably just be better to have the server close and reopen later like current resets

[barren zephyr]

or just wipe the server

[strange wave]

see the thing about a server wipe, is that the isle takes a long ass time to get anywhere

[inner orbit]

Ye I wasn’t serious about the napalm idea

[icy lion]

i havent really heard of server wipes happening either

[inner orbit]

I agree a plain old wipe is fine

[strange wave]

and if you have no way to survive that wipe you lose everything you may have just spent days if not weeks working on

this can be the elder system and replication system or it can be the loot your merc has

[barren zephyr]

Wipe is meant to wipe everyones dinos on the server

[icy lion]

isnt lightning death being essentially removed for that same reason too?

[strange wave]

losing all that will no way to get it back would suck major ass

isnt lightning death being essentially removed for that same reason too?
@icy lion yes, but lightning striking people was just a dev command

[still raptor]

i feel like if someone gets banned they should be smote

[barren zephyr]

OR..... better idea? You could set the ''Meteor Wipe'' in server settings if admins want like?

we got plenty of extinction event levels

[icy lion]

ah it didnt happen randomly as well?

[strange wave]

nope

[icy lion]

yea keeping the lightning for admin slay/banning would be kinda funny

[strange wave]

imagine prog days, you spent like 48 hours getting a pue and you get struck by lightning and die

[barren zephyr]

i mean just as a real fuck you to the guy. you get struck by lighting and he's banned from the server

[icy lion]

but ive never seen a server wipe happen and a completely rng change for insta death is unintuitive and goes against a lot of the design in the isle

[barren zephyr]

^

it's bob levels of dumb ngl. especially since you can log out and avoid it entirely

well....... was my idea ''good'' or ''bad'' the ''Meteor Wipe'' setting? just wanting to know

[strange wave]

yeah we already have extinction level things... and these you have a chance to survive and you dont lose your entire progress

[icy lion]

i mean if server wipes happen itd be cool to have a unique effect, however a meteor (and it possibly landing) would be a lot of work for something that happens once in a blue moon

[barren zephyr]

it's not a great idea dryo

[inner orbit]

I agree with taco and Bork

[icy lion]

but server wipes are practically unheard of, and its more of a technical thing anyway. itd be best if it functions as a server reset but everythings gone on return

[barren zephyr]

again thats just a bob mechanic

[icy lion]

now having anims for people getting admin smote? id love that

[barren zephyr]

yeah that would be dope

[icy lion]

it happens often, the server doesnt close immediately after, its not rng

[barren zephyr]

hmmm.... well everyday is not good idea

random ass lighting bolt strikes a guy of the admins choice banning him from the server

[icy lion]

ah when i said "functions like a reset" i meant that the server has an in-game announcement, goes down, and opens some minutes later. sorry for the confusion

[peak wedge]

High af pts sounds amazing

[barren zephyr]

Any opinions?

[inner orbit]

It sounds good