Well my point was that it was a waterfall of CLEAR water then you looks and suddenly its murky water
#general-feedback-discussion
icy lion
yea, at the minimum having the force of the waterfall clear up the murk and plants would make sense. hopefully not everything is all murky
nova anchor
well, giant genetically modified dinosaurs don't make sense either
paper oriole
Could be that the fall is disturbing a silty substrate in the pond
icy lion
that might end up with a more creamy brown or black than mossy green though
paper oriole
Tru
worn token
I'm not saying the waterfall is bad I'm saying it would look better if the waterfall and the actual water paired together...
worn token
mhm
icy lion
its weird that its just... suddenly still water
worn token
But I also heard in the stream that you would get trapped in there if you tried to drink
You can see the rocks surrounding it
I can already see the people screaming "Admin Pls Help I'm Stuck"
that's just another problem.
icy lion
deino haven right there
worn token
more like deino death if nothing gets stuck their
its like a big gamble cause if nothing comes and ur stuck you just trapped yourself in your own trap
icy lion
is that a stream leading from it in the bottom left or just some rocks?
worn token
pure rocks
icy lion
oh yep deathtrap then, i thought it lead off somewhere
vestal rune
tbh, fairly sure it makes sense that the waterfall is totally clear
worn token
In what ways?
vestal rune
because it has 0 polutants, it's just pure water coming out of the rocks
icy lion
yea the issue is that the pond is totally still and murky, even at the waterfall base
vestal rune
then when it joins the puddle where alot of pollutants are it gets murky
vestal rune
I do agree, if it's possible it would be nice if the area around the waterfall would be more clear
but idk if that'd be possible
worn token
Which is why I think it should either be clear or murky for both waterfall and still water just imo
vestal rune
well a murky waterfall wouldn't make much sense, since it's a fresh stream
and the pond seems to be still water, or maybe drains somewhere, which makes more sense for it to be all murky
icy lion
i tihnk its mostly just the plants right at the waterfall messing with me, since thered be force behind it
minor basalt
I'd say it just looks weird because there's not really any disturbance in the water below from the waterfall
icy lion
^ yea
minor basalt
there's not really any ripples or anything
vestal rune
ye I think that's it drabon
random imp
don't post the same suggestion 20 times @drifting umbra. if everybody posted their''s more than once the channel 'd be even more of a clusterfuck than already is.
drifting umbra
Thanks for the feedback but you probably only know it’s a re-post because I included that information specifically to avoid being tagged and having this meaningless discussion about it being a re-post. @random imp
glad dirge
I like the idea of a stream announcements channel, I think that would be very convenient 
warm belfry
^
vast wolf
arc herbivores that can eat small animals are omnivores. things like beipiao and oi fill that role.
random imp
opaque blaze
THAT'S a TREE!? It's so cute!
vestal rune
oh nice, my suggestion happened lmaaoo
junior crow
what was your suggestion?
vestal rune
stream announcement channel
junior crow
nice
vestal rune
I made it like 2 hours ago lmao
eternal owl
@barren zephyr The cerato already has the best bleed heal in the game.
Also, @nova anchor the allo is going to have trash stam so it'll be an ambush predator, so a Magy a decent ways away from an allo will be able to easily escape. If you get too close to an allo it's your fault. It's like running around a crouching rex as a para
nova anchor
right.
pale sorrel
@barren zephyr Good suggestion! I had no idea those existed! 🙂
barren zephyr
Hawaii has some weird plants, i might make some more
feral wedge
@weary spruce What decision would that be?
weary spruce
someone got banned and the community disagreed, as far as i saw, and the mods seemed to be more focused on "fixing people being off topic" than justifying it pasting a rule does not count, justifying why it broke the rule and why such measures were taken do.
vestal rune
are you talking about braxxer and blank? 'caus if they broke a rule they broke a rule, the community doesn't get to disagree
feral wedge
Do you mean the guy posting NSFW?
weary spruce
yes, i do agree he was wrong, i believve the actions were too severe
vestal rune
did he already have strikes?
weary spruce
dude got a bit too excited thats all
feral wedge
And yes, pasting a rule is perfectly fine for an explanation. They're the first thing you see when you enter this Discord, and there are many in this community who are not legal adults. Being in this Discord is not a right, it's a privilege. And if you cannot follow what few and simple rules that we have, you will not be in here for long. We've also been exceedingly generous with warnings lately due to the excitement for the update, but that does not excuse inappropriate behavior of dire degree.
weary spruce
but a single comment is dire degree?
feral wedge
Depending on the context, yes.
weary spruce
a slap on the wrist would suffice no? i mean he didnt go into detail, he made a passing comment imo, btw i have nothing against yall, im autistic and if i believe somethings been done wrong i like to find out the details and actually take action
feral wedge
If you think there's an issue with punitive action that's been made, you can take it up with Punch.
But enforcing server/channel rules that are clearly displayed is neither "oppression" or "gaslighting."
weary spruce
lets agree to disagree
vestal rune
ye if what you said was true then maybe the mods were a bit to severe, but it's hardly "oppression" or "gaslighting"
void dragon
I've heard about gas lighting before. It's not a pleasant thing to experience.
worn token
I actually never thought about the rules being in the front server page instead of the discord but that would be SO much better considering that, yes, I have clogged my self up with a bunch of discords that I barely even care about just to read the rules, but isnt there already and option for putting rules, or at least a space to write as I've seen?
If so maybe we could just have it larger, to be able to fit all the rules that server wants
slate owl
That video of a human in a building with a raptor creeping outside, do you know where it can be found
agile whale
@half mirage After the recode replay will no longer be a thing nor do I believe that they plan to bring it back. Could be wrong about the last bit though.
faint vector
That video of a human in a building with a raptor creeping outside, do you know where it can be found
@slate owl Im somewhat sure its an old Anthomnia video showcasing hypers as a humie and how big they are, but I dont watch Anthomnia so dont know exactly which one.
barren zephyr
@eternal owl excuse me but you are wrong. Cerato heals 15 bleed per minute resting and has a 90% bleed resistance(receives that damage). Dibble heals 25 bleed, allo heals 25 bleed, dilo heals 25 bleed, maia heals 30 bleed, juvi allo heals 20 bleed and juvi maia and carno heal 15 bleed, so cera doesnt have best bleed heal in game
barren zephyr
@sand dune 1.) There will be more night vision dinosaurs in the game eventually.. That is a HUGE nerf. Its uncalled for. Night and Day are 30/30
and should keep it that way. Im sorry but that will be super unfair for all night vision dinosaurs, make it harder for people who
want the challenge at hunting at night, even trexes who wait in a bush for their prey at a waterfall or any other dinosaur really.
It takes a lot away and honestly I dont get why that would be a suggestion what so ever.
2.) Dilo is supposed to be good at night vision, it will be reworked in the future of course but it wont be broken as more dinosaurs
will have different night vision ranges and maybe even some close to dilos. Nightvision is the dilos advantage and it being the only
nightvision dinosaur in the game right now it seems broken but it really isn't. Its just nothing can compareto it. Most dilos dont even want to hunt at night in game right now
because its harder. I dont really get why you're saying it has the best z turn and health regen when all of that will change in the future also.
Everything will be more balanced and played out. You just got to wait and see and like I said I am sure some dinosaurs will get nightvision buffs/
a long with debuffs.
and to add on..... 50 minutes day? there would be no time to night anymore lmao, im sorry its just way to much
rugged condor
yes
dilo cant fight a utha or pachy or gali head on
because they have less ehalth and do far elss damage
health*
barren zephyr
yeah so it needs night time, and like i said eventually there will be more nightvision dinosaurs and most dinosaurs nightvision as of right now will be reworked so some dinosaurs might even get to sneak up on a dilo if very lucky.
rugged condor
⬆️
dilos is a bleeder and is only good at hunting at night (unless they are really good dilo players) because a utha can outrun and outstam them while at night they can catch you off gaurd
but of course we then have the recode which changes alot of that
barren zephyr
with the new combat system itll be harder for a dilo to bite, run away, bite run away and repeat for 5x minutes.
with better foliage in trees and stuff you can hide pretty fast
rugged condor
and also a 10 minute night and 50 minute day
why
thats a bit extreme
i rarley if ever play dilo and i do agree night is just waiting but still to make it so short just rips out more of the little realism the game has left
eternal owl
Sorry I didn't mean best I meant one of the best. It's significantly better than lots of dinos
I also didn't mean to offend you
Plus it's good to have a scavenger niche, as lots of creatures have special adaptations to scavenging. There's also a theory of Rugops that it was a specialised scavenger.
random imp
@kind trout that's why they'll leave the current game in the legacy branch. if you are not happy with EVRIMA you 'll still be able to play the game we have now.
hollow bolt
how does one get content creator to stream Evrima?
indigo sun
You gotta be a content creator and I doubt theyre letting anyone else go in and stream now that theyre so close to release and the main point of ccs getting early access was to help with testing
random imp
is not enough lol. to know how to get the role i think you'd need to contact Punch
but as Nines said, they are not making new CC right now
hollow bolt
okay thx for the info 🙂
random imp
no problemo
daring bramble
@barren zephyr if they even read it which I doubt since they won't even read the announcements-
barren zephyr
true
mighty girder
You say they arent making new ones but it sure looks like they are
random imp
i don't like the fact that you can see the name of the people by calling
mighty girder
random imp
it can be abused like hell
mighty girder
but yeah they might not be, idk just what I saw
random imp
i mean, the carrying baby thing is a nono because it can be abused, but you are able to see the names of the players in your vicinity? i mean, cmon
violet magnet
It used to be that way
You were only able to see nametags of people in your group by calling
Better than it is now where no one calls ever and just stays silent while in discord call
sand dune
@barren zephyr Well then increase the minimum NV range to the current dilo range then increase the dilo's current NV range little more.
Honestly I didn't get hunted by dilophosaurus at night time. Because they couldn't see me.
sand dune
At least you can increase the minimum carnivore dinosaur NV so they wouldn't get hunted easily. Most of the carnivores actually don't eat other carnivores (expect for scavengers and tertiary consumers). They eat herbivore meat mostly. So carnivore dinosaurs can aim to hunt herbivores only (not Deinosuchus and Pteranodon). Besides of that, in new system puking can also be added when you eat other carnivores (so it wouldn't be abuseable) Herbivores are ok with that current NV, it's ok. Also adding very good NV to the Camarasaurus is nonsense. It's better to make all herbivore's NV bad because they are the preys that needs to defend theirselves in hard conditions.
mighty girder
....eating carnivores as a carnivore isnt something that needs to be or should be punished
sand dune
Did you read it ?
ashen elm
Lots of herbivores irl have good NV...
mighty girder
"So carnivore dinosaurs can aim to hunt herbivores only (not Deinosuchus and Pteranodon). Besides of that, in new system puking can also be added when you eat other carnivores (so it wouldn't be abuseable)"
Yes I did. Its a point you made that makes 0 sense
so I commented on it
sand dune
It makes sense
if you have any kind of knowledge
your one makes no sense
Then why herbivores are for just leave the carnivores to eat eachother right ?
mighty girder
Punishing carnivores for eating other carnivores has to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard come out of this channel, and I've heard a lot lol. Its not like a lion gives a shit if its eating a cheetah or a zebra
Herbivores arent there JUST to be food. Yes, carnivores can hunt them. But carnivores eat carnivores just as much
sand dune
Nah
mighty girder
if not more because of competition
ashen elm
Herbivores that have good NV include
White-Tailed Deer
Porcupines
Pangolions
Kangaroos
Wombats
Lots of large herbivores have good NV because they eat 24/7 and need to sustain their body weight
mighty girder
So you'd prefer them to kill things without eating it, which is even worse
sand dune
I didn't say something like that
don't be dumb
I said in nature they are not hunting them they are just killing eachother for territories etc.
granite wharf
molten tulip
@eternal owl where did you hear the allo getting nerfed from?
sand dune
Scarlet so your idea heads to this ===> Herbivores= Chills in grass / Carnivores= Kills and eats eachother
mighty girder
No lmfao
molten tulip
@mighty girder carnivores will eat other carnivores in desperate situations obviously but they absolutely prefer to eat herbivores. Herbivores have way more nutritional gain than carnivores because they eat directly from plants. Carnivores inherit even less energy when they eat an herbivore, so a carnivore eatibg a carnivore will gain way less in terms of nutrition than if they eat an herbivorr
mighty girder
You didnt read my point at all
sand dune
see
mighty girder
Carnivores should not be punished by puking for eating other carnivores
esp since puking degrades stats
Its a game and that'd be awful, awful balance.
molten tulip
Instead of like puking or something it could just fill up hunger way less on carnivore meat or not get the stam buff if youre full on carnivore meat
mighty girder
Completely and totally awful
sand dune
@molten tulip agreed
ashen elm
More evidence of good NV in herbivorous dinosaurs
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/332/6030/705.figures-only
https://www.seeker.com/dinosaurs-that-loved-the-nightlife-1766197837.html
The measurements revealed big, plant-eating dinosaurs, including Diplodocus longus, shown here, tended to be active during both the day and night, probably because they had to keep fueling their huge bodies. Elephants today show the same pattern, resting primarily during the hottest hours of the day to avoid overheating.
We found striking similarities between the Mesozoic and today’s biosphere. Large herbivores, just like living ‘megaherbivores’, were active both day and night, probably because of foraging needs (they just had to eat most of the time…), except for the hottest hours of the day when there was risk of overheating. Small carnivores such as Velociraptor were nocturnal hunters. Flying species, including early birds and pterosaurs (like Scaphognathus above, with scleral ring highlighted in blue color) were mostly day-active (although some of the pterosaurs were actually nocturnal). These ecological patterns are also found among today’s living mammals, lizards, and bird
Basically, especially for dinosaurs that lived in very arid or hot areas, they were more likely to take naps or sleep during the hottest hours of the day, compared to during at night when it was much cooler.
vast wolf
you cant punish a carnivore for eating food. what if the entire server is carnivores? do you just get super sick constantly?
molten tulip
Yeah instead you should just not fill up as fast on carni bodies or something
A hard punishment is too much
sand dune
@vast wolf Not eating for food, eating for carnivore food. Also I agreed with the @molten tulip 's idea which he said carnivore meats can fill less bar
vast wolf
food is food.
sand dune
Its not that basic
vast wolf
i mean it is.
sand dune
Not
molten tulip
nah not at all. Basic rule of ecology is the nergy transfer pyramid, as things get consumed energy is lost
so carnis and hypercarnis are way less nutritious than herbis
vast wolf
just because a lion can choose between a cape buffalo and a hyaena dosent mean it will go for the buffalo.
vast wolf
i mean lions hunt hyaenas.
sand dune
Nope
ashen elm
What's a carnivore and what's a herbivore doesn't matter as much. Look at ocean ecosystems, it's full of carnivores
vast wolf
molten tulip
They were going for herbivores first, c9uldnt eat it, so instead they went after the next best option
sand dune
yes
ashen elm
Killer Whales even hunt Great White Sharks, a bit just for their livers. 
ashen elm
Seals even hunt some Sharks too
sand dune
it's killing it to eat herbivore food
vast wolf
penalizing a player for playing the game is stupid in its own right.
molten tulip
Yeah it is, thats why i suggested just less nutrition from carni corpses
Its not a punishment its just "hey you could do better but whatever"
Herbis deal with the same thing in finding the more nutritious plants
vast wolf
making carnivore corpses fill you up slower is fine but they still have the same amount of meat.
making it give you a debuff is not good gameplay.
sand dune
But it doesn't have same nutrition. Didn't you learn these things in school ?
ashen elm
Carnivores will eat whatever if they want to. Only few carnivores are picky
vast wolf
no we dont study ecology in america.
sand dune
Many carnivores eat herbivores. Some eat omnivores, and some eat other carnivores. Carnivores that consume other carnivores are called tertiary consumers. Killer whales, or orcas, are a classic example of tertiary consumers.
mighty girder
If the game completely copied real life, it'd be a lot less fun
vast wolf
if your starving you will take any food you can no matter what it is.
sand dune
Many carnivores eat herbivores. Some eat omnivores, and some eat other carnivores. Carnivores that consume other carnivores are called tertiary consumers. Killer whales, or orcas, are a classic example of tertiary consumers. -National Geographic Society
mighty girder
Food = Food
sand dune
No
mighty girder
Yes.
sand dune
I mean if you're a kid
vast wolf
yes your point is invalid in that way.
sand dune
No it isn't
vast wolf
it is a videogame.
vast wolf
the game is a survival game.
mighty girder
resorting to calling people dumb because they disagree with you, nice
ashen elm
I don't think insulting people is a good way of communicating or trying to get people to see it your way
vast wolf
im prepared to keep at this all day if you want.
mighty girder
Always a great way to get people to see your point of view
ashen elm
Also we have good evidence of dinosaur cannibalism, so this is still a bad argument
sand dune
This game aims to give you an experience on a dinosaur you pick on an "ecosystem".
ashen elm
Here's the actual study
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0233115
vast wolf
drilling me on my grammar. because i dont use 's
sand dune
“At least under certain circumstances, these big Jurassic theropods were perfectly willing to scavenge anything that was available, including each other, and they were accessing bones as a food resource.”
It says scavenging not killing eachother
ashen elm
Yes because they don't want to definitely say what killed each other, which is harder to tell.
Even direct herbivore to predator prey relationships are hard to prove from fossils.
It's why the T-Rex scavenger theory was so popular for awhile.
vast wolf
the only really solid predator prey relationships we have are rex and edmonto along with allo and stego. theres probibly more but its hard to tell when preservation is rare and carnivores usually clean up well after eating.
mighty girder
This game aims to give you an experience on a dinosaur you pick on an "ecosystem".
The game is a survival game yes, a survival simulator, no. They are in fact different. Saurian is a survival simulator. It aims to be as accurate as possible. The Isle is a survival game. It has monster dinos and focuses on good gameplay and nice looking models over realism.
Even if it WAS completely realistic, carnivores today do kill eachother. No carnivore eats only herbi meat, and in a game where you cannot force people to play herbivores and AI isnt gonna spawn next to you anymore, you can't logically punish people for eating what food they find.
sand dune
Protoceratops and Velociraptor
ashen elm
They have a very famous fossil but even that one is ambiguous. It could be predation, could be territorial, could be defending it's nest.
Isotope testing is probably best way to show diet we have atm but even thats not 100%
vast wolf
this is getting more offtopic and less of an idea critique more of an argument.
vast wolf
sand dune
ashen elm
Eh...
I don't mind certain dinosaur preferences, but I don't think it should be carnivore vs herbivore. Maybe dinosaurs that lived in the same ecosystems would all be preferred prey items, carnivores and herbivores
ashen elm
That's already part of the game
molten tulip
Yall are still fighting over this? Jesus christ
sand dune
because no one would risk their life to rush to the herd
vast wolf
the game is a survival player vs player/horror sci-fi game.
ashen elm
You don't need incentives to hunt herds, people do it all the time
vast wolf
^how do you think the apexes survive now.
sand dune
Avaceratops hunt
they are not surviving pretty long
because of assriding problem in the game
Avaceratops fills %20 of apex dinosaur's hunger.
value is not pretty right but you know what I wanted to say
ashen elm
That's why Ava getting taken out and AI is being reworked
sand dune
There's not much herbivore players in the game right now
%90 of the players are carnivores
ashen elm
You think putting a target on their backs is helping?
ashen elm
No the nutrition suggestion, I'm not against it in principle, but by doing that you are going to make herbivore more attractive to hunt.
Thus get killed more often and thus you make people want to play herbivores even less
sand dune
No it wouldn't be like that if you make herbs strong enough.
Some herbivores are pretty bad (Anyklosaurus etc.)
Ankylosaurus needs to be serious threat to the T-rex
ashen elm
So you want herbivores OP but make them more attractive hunt?
sand dune
Not OP
ashen elm
They would need to be sufficiently stronger, if two apexes are willing to ignore each other as food sources and go after the apex herbivore instead
sand dune
Read it over and over if you didn't get it.
ashen elm
Making them equal in power isn't a good trade off for better meat
They would need to be stronger
ashen elm
Yes in a scenario.
Like Rex and Giga instead of hunting each other would rather hunt a Trike
sand dune
Yeah but game devs don't want carnivore mixpacking.
or carnivore-herbivore mixpacking
they are going to add some kind of system for carebearing
ashen elm
I mean hopefully they do but it's not in yet.
But as far as nutritional herbivore meat goes, again you are making them more a target, when they are already less played. So there needs to be significant trade off. No one's gonna want to play Trike if you encourage apex players to hunt them even more, when they are already 10%.
sand dune
I mean there is not much apex players in the game
ashen elm
There is lol
sand dune
Rex costs 7 hours
ashen elm
So? They are still a lot
sand dune
mostly there are Utahraptors
I'm not talking about subadults
I'm talking about fully grown apexes
if they make herbivore growing time
less than the carnivore
then I'm sure some people would choose to play as herbivores
Am I right ?
don't worry there will be a punishment system for afk growth too.
so that problem will be solved
ashen elm
We have herbivores that are quick 2 grow that are not popular either
vestal rune
tbh wouldn't it be better if they made herbivore gameplay as fun as carnivore gameplay?
sand dune
yes
ashen elm
Maia, Diablo, etc still not as common
sand dune
How much time you need to wait to be Fully adult Maia or Diablo
The problem is because of the balance is not pretty good
ashen elm
Maia and Diablo are both good dinosaurs in their tiers
vestal rune
maia is OP
sand dune
Carnotaurus, Ceratosaurus can kill Maiasaurus easily if it's skilled enough
delicate tulip
^^
ashen elm
Cera
delicate tulip
What? Cera is good in the right hands
ashen elm
Carno also have a really rough time against Maia
vestal rune
ye I recall maias are able to kill carnos?
delicate tulip
That thing can demolish plenty of things
ashen elm
Cera is in a horrible spot rn. Do you play no alt?
vestal rune
cera is literally a poor man's allo
sand dune
Ceratosaurus is fast and can be perfect if you use it wisely
ashen elm
Cera is bad
sand dune
No it's good
sand dune
It depends on your gameplay so it's optional
Maiasaura supposed to be little bit faster and little bit weaker right ?
sand dune
Do you want to test it right now ?
ashen elm
I'm not sure how I feel about Scanova as a youtuber but he explains pretty well Ceras problems
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu1s5MuFMCo
vestal rune
plus even if maia can't, it can just run away
sand dune
Do you want to test that one too ?
ashen elm
RIP I posted Scanova but Pesky also rates Cera pretty low too
vestal rune
what?
sand dune
If ceratosaurus ambushes Maiasaura is RIP
sand dune
It has
vestal rune
ye I know it has, but the multiplier is so low that it's barely noticable
sand dune
Rex is D in my opinion
vestal rune
D?
ashen elm
lol
sand dune
because skilled utahraptor can kill you easily
vestal rune
rex is quite balanced
ashen elm
omg
vestal rune
probably more an A
A SKILLED UTAH WHAT
you have to be a dipshit of a rex to lose to 1 utah
like not know how to use the alt key
sand dune
no
ashen elm
Rex as D lmao
sand dune
Without no alt
strange wave
that doesn't matter for shit
sand dune
With alt
ashen elm
Stop playing without alt then
strange wave
alt turn is a game mechanic
vestal rune
ye any decently skilled rex will kill a utah easily
sand dune
no
vestal rune
unless you're on no alt turn, but no alt turn breaks the game fundamentally
ashen elm
This is why the devs are forcing "alt" in evrima
sand dune
yes I agree
but raptor must be blind to see huge rex coming to him
It can easily get out
ashen elm
The game is not meant to be played without alt
vestal rune
well ye, a raptor can run away from a rex easily
but if it tries to get in and kill the rex, the rex will have an easy time taking care of it
ashen elm
It doesn't function in it's environment. It's too slow to catch anything in it's tier and dies horribly to other mid tiers like Allo.
Hopefully Cera gets downsized into small tier and gets a better niche
vestal rune
ye, it doesn't have anything unique, anything it does other dinosaurs do better
sand dune
Allosaurus can't catch Ceratosaurus if Ceratosaurus tries to escape
Also Ceratosaurus is no match for Allosaurus
vestal rune
isn't allos ambush faster than cerato?
rugged condor
waaaay faster
like utah speed
so if teh allo ambushes
its game over for teh cera
also allo can out run turn a cera
sand dune
the**
vestal rune
@warm belfry although ambience effects like that are cool, I think that would be dumb as the predators cover will always be blown
warm belfry
True.
vestal rune
what I think would be a better idea, is if a rex or something broadcasts, then all the birds and stuff go silent
it would be an awesome effect
vestal rune
ye
warm belfry
Yeah.
vestal rune
most people think it's just a giga clone
sand dune
It's not actually
vestal rune
which it is, it would make a great "echo fighter"
mighty girder
It'll be a great dlc skin down the line I think
sand dune
pulsar lake
Would be an awesome dlc skin
sand dune
If they decide to make Carcharodontosaurus again
mighty girder
@warm belfry to suggest a dinosaur you have to do more then just write "add x" you need to say what it brings to the game, what seperates it from the current roster, why they should add it, what makes it worth the 7k+ it'll cost
vestal rune
ye they're not gonna add a dinosaur just because you like it
sand dune
I love Spinosaurus
warm belfry
Not really cause i like it lol
warm belfry
I just thought it'd be a nice addition
Given how underrated it is too
vestal rune
also spinony, you do know air sac systems are a general part of the dinosaurs and not specific to carcharodontosaurus?
birds even have it
sand dune
I know
pale sorrel
@warm belfry I agree, I have made a suggestion for it a few weeks back.
They did actually plan on adding Majungasaurus, but alas, I'm pretty sure those plans were scrapped. I think they're now looking at adding Rugops instead. Nothing's confirmed though.
sand dune
but Carcharodontosaurus has better air sac system
pulsar lake
All theropods have most likely air sac.
vestal rune
I don't think there's any evidence that it had a "better air sac system"
warm belfry
Alright. @pale sorrel
sand dune
Is carcharodontosaurus weaker than a giganotosaurus ?
pale sorrel
I agree though. I'm all for new abelisaurids! 🙂
vestal rune
I believe giga is larger
rugged condor
giga is larger
sand dune
Ok
rugged condor
liek 3-4 meters longer
sand dune
so Acro doesn't have a rival in the game right ?
vestal rune
it's not a huge difference though, would still work for a DLC skin
sand dune
Acro doesn't have a carnivore rival right ?
vestal rune
a carnivore rival?
vestal rune
it's an old size comparison
I can't read what it says though so it's hard to comment on its accuracy
sand dune
Brown one is Carcharodontosaurus
Basically
there is no match for Acrocanthosaurus in the game
Rex can kill it, Giga can kill it, Spino can kill it.
and other carnivores can't kill the Acrocanthosaurus
pale sorrel
Here's an old image of an old Carcharodontosaurus they started at some point (taken from the fandom page) https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/b/b2/Carcharodontosaurus_model_head_zoom.png/revision/latest?cb=20200208125702
sand dune
Carcharodontosaurus would fight with a Acrocanthosaurus over the corpse or food
It is nice
pale sorrel
And here's the Rugops' head https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/b/b6/Rugops_head.png/revision/latest?cb=20200208140817
vestal rune
didn't the old carchara model get turned into juvie giga?
pale sorrel
I think so @vestal rune
sand dune
I didn't know that
pale sorrel
Also, yes. Majungasaurus was changed to Rugops. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/isle/images/2/20/Rugops.png/revision/latest?cb=20200208140830
(also from the fandom page)
vestal rune
damn I miss the old isle discord, so many cool old announcements :(
pale sorrel
Ah well
sand dune
They can make new Carcharodontosaurus model from the old one actually ?
mighty girder
Acro will get a match when its reworked and added back, its not meant to be balanced currently
pale sorrel
On this picture from the wikipedia page, Rugops basically just looks like a Carnotaurus without horns, doesn't it? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Rugops.jpg
sand dune
Longer mouth little bit thinner
pale sorrel
Yeah
sand dune
ok but can we talk about Carcharodontosaurus too
pale sorrel
Abelisaurids
mighty girder
giga 2.0
pale sorrel
No worries 🙂
sand dune
No
mighty girder
gameplay wise it would be
vestal rune
ye I really think carcharo should just be a DLC skin
sand dune
But with some changes it can be good
mighty girder
thats the plan for it, its the most soft confirmed dlc skin in the game
sand dune
It's scrapped
vast wolf
carchadontosaurus is identical to giganotosaurus gameplay wise and the most you can hope for is it as a skin.
mighty girder
^
mighty girder
How
vast wolf
nope. all derived charodontosaurians are essentially carbon copies with different heads and robustness.
sand dune
Carcharodontosaurus should have better bleed, less damage, better stamina and it needs to little bit faster
vast wolf
thats not enough.
what dose it do that makes a unique animal.
its like comparing tarbo and rex.
mighty girder
Thats no where near enough to make it different
vestal rune
ye but slightly different stats aren't good enough, it needs UNIQUE gameplay
sand dune
With fast speed and lots of stamina
vast wolf
mighty girder
That is not enough to make it different
slight stats do not make something unique
it would hunt the same things in the same style
no?
vast wolf
both of these are carch
sand dune
Giganotosaurus ambushes or tanks right ?
mighty girder
If its hunting the same creatures in a similar fashion with the same techniques, it is a skin
sand dune
in game ?
vestal rune
ye ingame
mighty girder
it will be yes
sand dune
Carcharo hunts ouranosaurus
vast wolf
heres giga
vestal rune
although we don't know how it'll be in the future
mighty girder
the thing not in the game
vestal rune
since it's getting reworked
but it'll probably still be a bleeder pursuit predator who can hunt sauropods
vast wolf
giga is more of a large animal specalist. a trike anky and stego would be horrible choises but shant camma and brachi will be good ones for it.
sand dune
yes
Carcharodontosaurus didn't hunt these dinosaurs
it hunted dinosaurs like Ouranosaurus
vestal rune
ouranosaurus isn't coming to the game though
mighty girder
Ok but thats not in the game
sand dune
yes
mighty girder
so use creatures in the game
vestal rune
and if it was giga would probably hunt it
sand dune
but think about parasaurolophus
mighty girder
and keep in mind, just bc giga CAN hunt sauropods doesnt mean it'd ONLY hunt sauropods
....giga hunts para's currently
and probably will after its re-added
vestal rune
para's main predators are GIGA and allo packs
mighty girder
charchar's still a skin
vast wolf
charodontosaurians generally seemed to go after large prey with few defenses as the defenses would be harder for them to get past compared to tyrannosaurs.
mighty girder
Like Im sure its a cool dinosaur and all that but its not different enough from giga to be stand-alone
vast wolf
short sharp teeth dont do as well against thick armor or bone.
sand dune
Well carcharodontosaurus can be little bit weaker
not a fully apex
just like Acrocanthosaurus
mighty girder
so now its acro
vast wolf
spino we have gone over this many times in the past that carch is identical to giga gameplaywise and is unjustifiable as more than a skin.
sand dune
Its not
if you think they are going to add this as a skin
this thing is discontinued
It will never happen
vast wolf
acro was different to most carcharodontosaurians as it was heavy set and much slower comparatively. its still on shaky ground for a playable.
vestal rune
what do you mean?
mighty girder
theyve said multiple times they are interested in adding dinosaurs as skins in the far future when the game is finished
so, you're wrong
vestal rune
I mean the DLC skin system isn't really confirmed, but it's something they wanna do
sand dune
your opinion
vast wolf
isle wiki is legit ancient.
vestal rune
isle wiki is useless
sand dune
ok
vestal rune
I think it has some useful archived images and that's it
vast wolf
they still have riasuchus on it which was confirmed to not be coming 3+ years ago.
ebon crypt
If I may throw my hat into the ring, it's not a case of stats, but rather a case of lifestyle/gameplay. How would char's gameplay be different from giga's? It's more of a question of what could char do that giga couldn't. Maybe it would be better in certain environments, had a unique mechanic or hunting style. Just giving it different stats isn't enough.
mighty girder
^^^
vast wolf
we should just accept that spinony is just a troll and should be ignored for our sanity.
mighty girder
It needs to be unique on its own, not just giga but faster
Just because you disagree with someone doesnt mean they should be called a troll
vast wolf
they seem to be trolling.
glossy matrix
maia is the superior hadrosaur 
vestal rune
maia is OP
vast wolf
as they have been making arguments that were deconfirmed by devs and are pointless.
glossy matrix
there was actually another wiki
but fandom decided to get rid of one, but for some reason got rid of the good wiki
and kept the shit one
glossy matrix
yes
vestal rune
stupendemys > archelon
vast wolf
spino make a suggestion in #general-feedback se we can understand what you want easier.
glossy matrix
truetho
vast wolf
i greatly approve pipes.
having logs that spawn insects for some small animals sounds lovely.
vestal rune
would love it for like theri or galli
acoustic spruce
Although it wouldn’t be realistic I was wondering if tenonto would be able to dive a short distance and shoot itself back up? Sort of like a great value hippo, but it would only be possible if the bed of the lake was a short distance from the surface. It would allow for a more dynamic/quicker way to travel the swampy areas (that is if tenonto will be spending the majority of its time around swampy areas) giving it a small adaption towards the primarily aquatic predators in the area.
random imp
that's Spino playstyle, the hippo underwater run and jump thinghy.
worldly phoenix
@glossy dock i feel like the only creature with infrared vision would be the titanaboa if it has heat sensing pits
glossy dock
Yeah i can see that
I just thought maybe it would be like a night vision replacement. So you cant hide from it, but you can run from it.
therefore that dino with would have to ambush and be sneeky
worldly phoenix
true but it might be a bit op especially for slower dinosaurs like anky and juvi apexes
glossy dock
Well yeah but i mean the utah is already op to juvis
plus the anky can defend itself
worldly phoenix
that’s also tru but we’ll have to see
dilos with infrared vision would be cool plus their better night sights
glossy dock
I could see atleast one really slow dino having infrared vision but its really slow, not alot of stam, but has a super fast ambush. but it only last for say 5 seconds so you have to get really close but remain hiden
i think that would always have people on edge, not just around the water with dieno, but also on land for that un-named dino
pale sorrel
@south stag The Isle does have an in-game chat. Hit the Return key to access it.
I think the game glitches for everyone when you first spawn in, but it only does it for the first few seconds before everything is loaded in. Also, you can toggle crouch by hitting the Ctrl key.
south stag
I know you can toggle crouch i spent a whole hour in a game where i could not crouch at all as the game didnt alow me to
In game chat i saw that but is there a voice chat option?
buoyant atlas
Your own discord for chating they want it to be if you want to talk your dino makes noise
jade schooner
There's no map for dinos, maybe for humans in the future, but for dinos it's been said by the devs they won't get one
the rest, I can understand
@glossy dock responds to feedback are to be written in this channel
buoyant atlas
There is one where it's on a web browser and when you hit the inspect key you and copy and plug your latitude and longitude In and see where you are
jade schooner
@pale sorrel I believe Paradym tried to get in contact with the Wiki people, and they're also gonna put up a dedicated website
pale sorrel
Ahh right! Thanks for telling me, Quiro! 🙂
glossy dock
Ruben why did you buy 3 copies of the game before you played it
Also the reason for not having a map is because you're meant to explore
Eventually you learn it
molten tulip
An actual isle wiki would be so nice
buoyant atlas
True but It would be nice to know where you are
daring bramble
I thought there was a map in legacy
mellow seal
people have made maps for it so you can put in your coordinates and see where you are
south stag
For me and my friends i enjoyed the beginning supoorting a game that pulled my intrest but once u spend about an hour in the game u realise the game lacks alot of things i dont meen to be ugly or anything but it lacks all the basic needs that a game should have
Meant to explore assasins creed u explore, ark you explore i can name hundreds of games you explore where they give you a map some might be grayed out but nice to know where you are and where u want to go
mellow seal
this is the map i use
https://vulnona.com/game/the_isle/map_en.html#
glossy dock
Ok but the whole point of the game is to explore
buoyant atlas
@mellow seal ya I use one it's just a pain to go out of the game
mellow seal
you are meant to explore and all that, not to know where to go off the bat
south stag
Stupid idea making a map and u have to minimize the game to access it doesnt make sense
mellow seal
ive seen people pull up their phone to use it
molten tulip
Even without a map the map has landmarks you can use to navigate
daring bramble
Oooh, I've seen that map in some CCs videos but I thought it was actually ingame
vestal rune
you're not really meant to use a map for this game, you're meant to explore the world for yourself
mellow seal
ive memorized Isle V3 regardless, so i dont need the map anymore
mighty girder
@pale sorrel afaik they dont want people to exactly know stats if they can afford it, because then combat comes down to stat checks. But they are working on a website which should be the new official source of info
vestal rune
although they are gonna add a map which only shows you the areas your dinosaur has been too
glossy dock
Ok if you dont like the game dont play it, the point is to explore and learn the map, not know exactly where everything is
although you do kinda figure that out after around a hundred hours
south stag
@Kerbal18 so to be clear i raise a problem i have with the game hoping to get advise and i get if i dont like it dont play it thats one way of the game loosing players?
buoyant atlas
I love this game its actually fun once you get it down. I'm just saying a map to see where you are in the world and how far your group is that sort of stuff I dont need land indicators or names @glossy dock 😁
glossy dock
@south stag not to be rude but alot of the stuff you said in #general-feedback wasnt true
buoyant atlas
Or maybe a meters counter above your buddy's
vestal rune
the game is actually gaining players
glossy dock
I dont know if its so much gaining players or just having more coming back
mellow seal
also there is in game chat, you have to switch over to global chat (official servers don't have global turned on, though)
glossy dock
"Admins kicking people out of the servers for their own selfish reasons
Lack of food and AI in the game alot of people starve to death
Lack of instructions in the game i mean the game can develop new dinos and events for the future but cant fix the basics like teaching you how to hunt, how to survive, how to lay egs, the game doesnt teach anything even how to leave a party without dying or leave the game
No in game chat??
Game glitches when i spawn in cant sneak or anything"
^this whole part is just false^
buoyant atlas
Why isn't it on by default@mellow seal
pale sorrel
Ah right, thanks for the info Scarlet! It makes sense
mellow seal
it is on by default, but officials have it turned off
wait unless you mean why you aren't in global chat anyways
buoyant atlas
It's just when I go in it's always on local
buoyant atlas
😡
@glossy dock I've only had one soft glitch where I couldn't get out of menus and it hasn't happened to I a long time
I could still move and stuff but had the menus in my face to was weird
south stag
False now u just want to smack me in the face i played the game could not sneak at all when i playes the last hour and you want to tell me im lying i will necer purposly say something bad about a game if it was not the truth lack of ai thats true ill play the game make a vid and post it then since the game wanted us to give our opinions and help improve the game but the response im getting is redicoulus
glossy dock
Also Ruben the entire game is about to be made from the ground up on thursday
daring bramble
@glossy dock it releases on thursday you mean lol
glossy dock
yeah vixen
burnt valve
Hm?
mellow seal
unless you were playing on a highly populated server, there is definitely AI
glossy dock
@south stag You want to play the game and i can teach you the basics?
buoyant atlas
Yes you just need to listen for the sounds mostly
mellow seal
you have to find the AI instead of it just popping up in your face
otherwise most dinos would never starve
besides, i recommend smaller herbis for new players like dryo, galli, or pachy
carni is just harder if you are solo and new
buoyant atlas
Also sometimes you can ask the admin for food it happened on a noobz server for me last night
glossy dock
is that a no @south stag
buoyant atlas
@glossy dock I think he's dead jim
glossy dock
uh oh
south stag
Ill meet u online tmro
buoyant atlas
😇
vestal rune
@lusty sparrow the devs are fine with criticism, they just want to avoid flame wars from occuring
lusty sparrow
I don't think they should pour water on logs to prevent a fire that hasn't occurred.
vestal rune
no this is like getting rid of trees in certain areas to limit forest fires
the devs know the community well, it takes one spark to start a huge hissy fit
it's also why they banned discussion on deathlyrage
I've seen devs openly address criticism before in a calm manner, I know there's a recent case which they were a bit too harsh with, but that shouldn't be taken as the standard of everything they do
lusty sparrow
I don't talk her often. I wanted to see what others were thinking but they were all told to stop. I just hate to see a calm discussion get forced to stop. I just hope the way devs take things and the way the rules are enforce change.
vestal rune
oh fair enough, I know it looks like calm discussion but it'll eventually devolve into a flame war
lusty sparrow
xd
mental flower
I also agree @delicate tulip that water needs some love, and it looks like the update will add said love! YAY!
delicate tulip
yeah, the last imagine is from the everglades and would be perfect for the rivers around the open areas
those empty rivers already have the close up grass
all they need now is lily pads, dead leaves, reeds and its perfect
especially for a deino to patrol
ashen elm
I think the reason we have more space on the rivers is due to mud baths
But maybe there are other ways to make spots for it
mental flower
Not going to lie, sometimes we can ignore some "accuracies" if it makes the game more pleasing to the eyes
Like paleo chat
sweet jesus
its a game
gaunt nova
I do wish the growth didn't take hours, if we lose some every time we die. It's frustrating. I like the scent thing though.
vestal rune
imo if they make the game fun enough, I don't think dieing should be a huge issue
delicate tulip
^^
mental flower
Scent has the potential to be even more awesome
gaunt nova
It would be to those without 7 hours to spend regrowing
I agree myst
Green trail for plant food, red for meat nearbye
mental flower
yeah the fun levels to time to grow is meh'ish but tolerable as of now.
vestal rune
like with the current game growing is basically a queue to where you can get to the fun bit, so it sucks ass when you die, but if the game is consistently fun throughout growth then dieing wouldn't be as annoying
gaunt nova
So far I've had the game 3 days. I have never hit adult, and barely hit sub before dying from packs each time. So I've...walked, drink, and ate...and died.
vestal rune
also bones, if you don't have time to grow an apex, then don't play apex
delicate tulip
It's not sandbox, it's meant to be survival meaning you have to do what you can to survive, you won't die as much if you know how to survive
mental flower
apex is not that fun to be honest
gaunt nova
I have watched about 15 videos on it. I get the core mechanics.
I'm just stating feedback. As it says here
vestal rune
bones if you're new you probably shouldn't play apex
mental flower
I rarely die, but the growing phase basically AFK'ing
vestal rune
ye myst that's the main problem with the game rn, hopefully evrima fixes it, or the updates after
delicate tulip
^^ apex is the last thing you want to play, start off small then progess to bigger things
mental flower
Apex are noob magnets
gaunt nova
what would you reccomend then
gaunt nova
isn't that the main attraction?
vestal rune
if you just want to become adult as quick as possible then dryo
but galli, and utah are great choices
gaunt nova
I grew up wanting to be a paleontologist
delicate tulip
Not that that matters anyway with almost one day left till all the things you learn in the current build become irrelevant
vestal rune
they are fast and allow you to explore the map
mental flower
Dilo and Gali are A W E S O M E
gaunt nova
So this game got me with that
vestal rune
dilo is also fun
gaunt nova
I'll try utah or dilo then next.
vestal rune
ye that's a good idea
mental flower
Utah have me sideways
gaunt nova
thank you for the advice
mental flower
at times they feel great
gaunt nova
I think a map feature would be great too.
vestal rune
ye, in the future apexes are gonna be incredibly hard to grow to adult, so new people should never play them
they're gonna add a map which only shows where your dino's been
mental flower
Dilo night vision is B R O K E
vestal rune
part of the fun of the game is exploring
gaunt nova
I'm cool with that
mental flower
like 2x larger vision at night than anything else
gaunt nova
ah, gotcha
mental flower
and crazy bleed dmg
vestal rune
ye dilo is a nocturnal predator
vestal rune
although bones I'd argue if it'd even be worth playing the game rn
in 1-2 days the whole game is getting entirelly changed
mental flower
yeah get on a sandbox server and dick around
vestal rune
built from the ground up
mental flower
its all goingto change in 2 days
gaunt nova
what's changing in two days?
vestal rune
everything
mental flower
the game...
vestal rune
they entirelly rebuilt the game
mental flower
Everything is almost an understatement
vestal rune
they scrapped all the old stuff and made everything from scratch
gaunt nova
Well, I've been playing a few days now, so I'm still very new. What new stuff to expect? models? balance? ai?
vestal rune
ye new dinos
gaunt nova
Also, thank you all for all this good advice
vestal rune
entirelly new combat system, nothing like the current one
gaunt nova
I do appreciate it, honestly
gaunt nova
Ah, which ones?
potent ruin
tenonto is a new one, smaller horse sized iguanodontid
gaunt nova
I think the anklyosaur would be awesome
mental flower
Brace yourselves, 1 Calls are coming...
vestal rune
ankylosaurus will be added later on
gaunt nova
...seriously?
vestal rune
it's confirmed to come later
mental flower
- *BARK * *
potent ruin
yeah anky is lower priority rn but its planned
mental flower
I want an Oviraptor
vestal rune
although you can inject it into survival using server editing
mental flower
heckkin yeah
gaunt nova
mission impossible music playing as you run into the nest
mental flower
Want to take eggs from 1 nest and swap it with anothers
potent ruin
I personally cant wait for troodon
gaunt nova
ground sloth would be a cool thing to see, even if non playable
vestal rune
they seem to be restricting all the animals to the mesozoic
potent ruin
cause their gonna fictionalize it a bit and give it venom
gaunt nova
fair enough
mental flower
"sorta" restricting
vestal rune
so a cenozoic mammal wouldn't really make much sense(apart from humans obviously)
potent ruin
mods probably
gaunt nova
I am curious to try dip now
mental flower
why would humans only clone one eras dinos?
and why only non mammals if they have the ability
vestal rune
we don't really know
vestal rune
well the only dinos in the cenozoic are birds
all the other dinos are in the mesozoic
also most people would agree, dinos ARE the cool stuff
mental flower
IDK have ya seen extinct mammals
They dummy thicc
The giant beavers in ark are my spirit animal
vestal rune
ye but the idea is that extinct mammals wouldn't really be able to compete with dinosaurs
mental flower
the little pecking thing?
vestal rune
yes
mental flower
vs a giant beaver
vestal rune
dryo survives by being incredibly mobile and having a bunch of babies
dude dyo would own the beaver
dryo is way bigger
eternal owl
A dryo is much bigger than you think
mental flower
the eco system is not something that naturally can be a balanced thing
thats why species die out
the sucks to suck animals get deaded
eternal owl
They could be up to 4 metres long
mental flower
and some things have no natural predator's
eternal owl
The castoroides? 2 metres
mental flower
i would not mess with a bite from a giant woodmuncher
vestal rune
I would not mess with a kick from a cow sized ostritch
mental flower
Imma still hold it out for mym furry murder rodents
eternal owl
Plus the Castoroides would be annihilated by any water Dino (besides maybe austro)
mental flower
I just prefer mammals OG
eternal owl
If you want mammals they would be essentially equal to psittaco in the game right now
mental flower
There is one...
it may not be an apex
but it classes in mid tier
And im not going to cop out and say a mammoth thats just obvious
eternal owl
That wouldn't really fit in
vestal rune
mammoth would just be a smaller trike imo
vestal rune
sort of theri vibes
eternal owl
Oh look a slow theri
eternal owl
It is a theri but just a little bit tankier
So a nothranychus would be the same thing
Or a realistic theri
eternal owl
Still would be parallel to a theri
mental flower
Crys in Reptile
eternal owl
Also the lore says AE only wanted dinosaurs
eternal owl
Sorry, no chonk sloths for you
mental flower
Murder Bird will have to do.
BRB need to add some tears to my avatar
I just hate ark
i LOVE THE DINOS
hate the human aspects
Human combat just makes it a douchey Chad game
mY KeWl GuN iS beTtEr ThAn yoUr gUn KeK
Love animal sims and the Isle has got my hoooked
me*
valid zephyr
@crisp elk that is not the appropriate channel
vestal rune
I mean the isle will have humans
crisp elk
If I am wrong a moderator will tell me.
severe idol
If you have to say "Mind your own business" - you're probably in the wrong.
crisp elk
@severe idol I’m confused? If I’m wrong, noted.
severe idol
You are in the wrong, yes. Comments can go in Offtopic or Isle-Discussion.
mighty girder
@hoary pike they know, and they're going to fix it
hoary pike
Thanks. Sorry if I sounded aggressive with that post
heady folio
Did they remove reactions from #general-feedback ??
last meadow
yes, para said reactions were removed because ppl got too hung on them, sometimes reposting their suggestions to get more positive reactions
barren zephyr
then the emotes could be lookingintobugg,fixedit,knownbug. im just trying to development of the game
barren zephyr
It doesn't matter if the female stego maintains the plates of the current stego. But it would be ridiculous if the plates of a female stego looked like it had melted like this, or being so thin like kentros plates
kind agate
Well, considering we don't actually have any evidence for Sexual dimorphism in Stegosaurus
I'm pretty okay with the male having rounder plates
barren zephyr
oops I forgot the pic
daring bramble
Though we don't know if Stegos had sexual dimorphism, I've always wondered why the female stegos would have sharper plates and the males having rounder plates 
I think some rl animals also have this kind of thing too
kind agate
Rounder things generally have more surface area for display structures afaik
honest sparrow
@barren zephyr rng determining survival is really bad imo, and albinos were confirmed for cannibalistic dinos iirc
barren zephyr
@honest sparrow like I'm just talking about albino being something you'll have to be nested as and not choose it yourself because it makes you more unique in a way
And makes you feed worse when you die an albino *
honest sparrow
rng
rng determines a debuff of some sort
person dies
person gets punished for dying to unfair rng
novel wraith
wouldve the female stego have the duller plates so the male could mate with her?
honest sparrow
irl maybe
novel wraith
i know no male ever would like to get a spike in the chest while having sex
mellow seal
dino bdsm
kind agate
not really, it was probably less of a mounting situation and more of a 'lets touch butts' situation
novel wraith
so like moths?
valid zephyr
@barren zephyr @rugged condor The male plates should be more rounded.... and large.
Not female plates cut in half with the edges rounded off like those are.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/714778064596500510/unknown.png
These are the two plate sets placed on top each other.
one gender simply has the cut on half plates of another, which is what people are complaining about.
we're not complaining about stego having dimorphism at all.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/714779352960598076/unknown.png
Having the female plates be sharp and thin, while the male plates are the current 'default' stego plates is more accurate, and looks better.
barren zephyr
@valid zephyr The plate on the right seems to be Kentro's plate, seriously not for the stego.
valid zephyr
You can see that female stego likely had more pointed plates.
You're wanting Hesperosaurus plates.
But they arn't actually Hesperosaurus plates, because they're tiny too.
male stegos did not have the female plates just cut in half. Yes they were wider and more rounded than the female, but they were also just as large.
barren zephyr
That female plates are just the imagination of a artist who drew it, not the plates of a real stegosaurus.
valid zephyr
We have evidence for dimorphism like that in Hesperosaurus, meaning that stegosaurus likely had dimorphism too.
We have no evidence that male stegos had tiny half formed plates.
barren zephyr
Female stegosaurus =/= Kentrosaurus
cyan flame
I would think there's a difference between slimmer stego plates, and kentro plates, but the main point is that the current "halved" plates does not look good, and my first reaction when I saw that model was "that's not fully grown right..". The pointy plates look good and imposing, both in width and height, and while it's fine to round out the males plates, they should still be as tall as the females, with added width if anything to make them rounder if needed.
barren zephyr
Yeah thats why I dont want sexual dimorphism for stegos like tenonto
cyan flame
But stego would be one dino where it works, like para and crest, so it's a good idea, just that the current design is a little meh really.
valid zephyr
We have irl evidence for dimorphism in stegosaurus.
barren zephyr
Based on that basis, it is right that male stegos should have more round plates, not current ones.
cyan flame
Yes, and it's not the round shape that's the issue, it's the size of them, specifically the height, or lack of
valid zephyr
The round shape is not the problem.
The fact that the plates look like they belong on a stego juvinile is.
If the male plates were round, but large, that would be fine.
barren zephyr
Then suggest that on the feedback
valid zephyr
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/714778064596500510/unknown.png
This image shows they are simply current main plates cut in two.
barren zephyr
I just seriously hate female stegosaurus looking kentro.
It doesn't matter if the female stego maintains the plates of the current stego. But it would be ridiculous if the plates of a female stego looked like it had melted like that, or being so thin like kentros plates
valid zephyr
kentro actually has spikes though, not thin plates.
barren zephyr
What I wanted to say was the plates of the female stego you suggested look as seriously thin as the Kentro.
valid zephyr
Yeah I may have overdone it there as was trying to emphasise the difference. This (female without the red on) is what i'd like to see.
barren zephyr
Jenkens, that looks so much better!
valid zephyr
female plates are slightly thinner and taller, male ones are wider with greater display area.
barren zephyr
How about this one?
Not melted, but looks larger than female plates and little more rounded
cyan flame
Not bad, clearly better, wouldn't have minded if it was the same height, still feels a little cut off, but I'd be much happier with that than what the current official version is! @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
still temple
round plate is smelly
jaunty hull
I prefer broad but pointy for male
still temple
regular plate for male
and triangular plate for female is the way to go
jaunty hull
slender and tall for female
barren zephyr
Not bad, clearly better, wouldn't have minded if it was the same height, still feels a little cut off, but I'd be much happier with that than what the current official version is! @barren zephyr
@cyan flame thank you👍
paper oriole
Albino skin should be linked to cannibalism and KFS imo, maybe a leucistic skin could be a rare chance for hatchlings bested by parents with bad genes
Basically albino but typically with blue eyes
eternal owl
Didn't they say the albino thing was for people who've killed their own species 10 times or something?
rugged condor
no that was an idea
paper oriole
It would be a pretty good indicator/punishment i think, the pale body and red eyes both look intimidating but make it a bitch to camouflage and other players would know to avoid you more. The leucistic skin is less intimidating and a punishment taking an egg from parents with bad genes
For cosmetic reasons i think the misbehaviour skin should be the albino (red eyes) one, simply because it just looks meaner and you'd get it by being a jackass so it fits
random imp
i disagree, albinism should be a genetic problem, a chance to get nested in, you already get punished if your parents choose dumb colors. leucism instead should be a punishment, each time you play dumb some casual part of your body becomes whiter. imagine seeing a damn rex with half of its face white coming towards you: you already know that something is wrong, in a sick way. instead seeing a white and yellow rex 'd make me only think " look at this poor bastard, it can't hide".
ebon crypt
I agree with salva. If there will be a chance to hatch as an albino in the future, then yeah, you should hatch as an albino (since I'm pretty sure that one doesn't just become an albino over time). But if turning white will only be a form of punishment for killing your own species and albinism through breeding won't be a thing, then giving red eyes and more of an albino look to "naughty" players is fine. But yeah, albinism through breeding, going pale for "rule-breakers".
random imp
the tail is the best feature of the Tenonto. Case closed.
languid crown
its cool and all its just not that unique,
if the whole defining feature of the tenonto is that it can attack behind it with a meaty tail then its a shallow creature
random imp
just wait man till they implement different systems and polish the ones we'll have tomorrow. different dinos will have different characteristics
it seems shallow because its new and you compare it to the "old Isle"'s creatures.
languid crown
thats the problem, comparing it to the old isles creatures should make tenonto really stand out, but it doesnt, its cool and scary and all but it really doesnt seem that speacil
white spruce
I agree with @valid zephyr about the plate stuff
Though, I don't really mind the round plates that much
I do think the plates based on Fred's picture simply look better
valid zephyr
I think roundish plates could look fine. It's more the fact that they're so tiny. Just the regular plates cut in half with the edges rounded off.
languid crown
roundish plates could be cool
white spruce
The half-circle shaped plates remind me of a rubber baby stego toy I had growing up
languid crown
i agree herp, i think how the team has been handling the whole pesky thing has been done really poorly
white spruce
It's not just about Pesky. They've done it in the past, I've just always been quiet about it before.
languid crown
paradym came forward and admitted to making a mistake, mislabeling him and calling him out for things he didnt do. And then dondi comes out a couple hours later and entrenches himself in his original position
white spruce
Dondi isn't one to go back on a position, even para mentioned that we shouldn't expect an apology from don
But, again, it's more than just pesky
They've done things like this all throughout the 5 years I've followed them
How do you think they get into so much different drama ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mossy hound
i agree with both of you
odd sundial
😳
mental flower
I'm guessing the top response will be "To hard, no money's, devs no want" lol
Prove me wrong Intellectual people of the internet!
(Side note, I think the guys idea of showing what dino people are paying in the tab menu is dope)
"Look at all the APEX noobs"
Farom is typing.... Farom is typing.... Farom is typing
unkempt flax
Can you just chill ?
mental flower
XD
unkempt flax
@white spruce i agree with you , long time fan of the isle and i am just a bit disapointed with the devs attitude sometimes
mental flower
^ been here a week and I feel that way already
white spruce
Thanks
mental flower
Sour attitudes or egos from devs (talking in general not here persay) ruin a community even if the game is great.
Disclaimer not say Ilse devs are, I'm new
#Notalldevs
cobalt compass
@mental flower i think they actually work on that
mental flower
SWEEEET
cobalt compass
not sure, but if you check dondis or paradyms last stream, i think they're talking about it along nv and some other changes
covert birch
They want diff animals to have diff negatives n bonuses in senses n stuff
hell like 10 streams back they said give rex movement based vision
cobalt compass
didnt it was planned on having rex get best dayvision and superior smell?
covert birch
idk bout the dayvision but the smell yea
cobalt compass
would be funny if you smell and your screen goes like hardcore lsd trip
cobalt compass
@white spruce you have some valid points, but please keep in mind, most 'critism' comes with an attitude that says: "hey, im a litte bastard and you should do what I say and think, just because im entitled to". THIS what the devs punish/ignore, i would react the same if my customers speak to my in that manner. actual constuctive critism is ime valued by the devs
mental flower
Dinos stink = trackable, take a mud bath, cover scent for a time, harder to track.
Boom mechanic
Ill taker my developer role now thanks.
white spruce
@white spruce you have some valid points, but please keep in mind, most 'critism' comes with an attitude that says: "hey, im a litte bastard and you should do what I say and think, just because im entitled to". THIS what the devs punish/ignore, i would react the same if my customers speak to my in that manner. actual constuctive critism is ime valued by the devs
@cobalt compass Except that is demonstrably not true. The devs regularly clump all criticism into being flamebait. You can have a perfectly polite and calm critique and still be punished by the devs as a result.
cobalt compass
thats already in@mental flower
mental flower
S W E E E T
white spruce
My issue isn't with them shutting up bad critiques, but the issue is that the devs have a history of taking very polite and reasonable criticism and turning it into something that it is not
mental flower
People who cant roll with criticism have small PP, but people that are just hurtful or sarcastic when offering criticism are just assholes.
white spruce
It's been this way since all the way back in 2015. The devs regularly squash polite and reasonable discourse.
mental flower
^ Sign of bad devs, but i cant say that because i'm new and have not seen it myself. Therefore i have no opinion yet of isle devs.
cobalt compass
didnt get this impression of the devs, but im playing since august 18
mental flower
@cobalt compass when you say mud baths ands scent your talking already in the core game?