your suggestions have a lot of thought put into them, but feedback does need to be taken into consideration after people find problems with it
#general-feedback-discussion
strange wave
left nacelle
And.... sometimes ya need to drop it. Maybe rethink the suggestion or scrap it intead of trying to find ways to make it work
zenith onyx
i always lose because you guys know so much more hten i do, and it was jsut an idea on how to make the herb fun again, didn't say it had to be realistic
hte game isn't realistic
it never was
left nacelle
It isn't realistic from a paleontology standpoint, but it is from a biological one
humble terrace
It's realistic in a believable way, not an accurate way
strange wave
its a good suggestion, but it would fit better on another dinosaur, para has things that could make it better, maybe suggest for an animal that couldn't have something, like say plateo or homalo
zenith onyx
what could make the para better then you know so much about then
paper oriole
I want para to be viable and fun again too, but it should also look practical. Swimming para sounds almost as outrageous as a magy running faster than allo
left nacelle
Or maybe do what I do and stick to smaller suggestions
zenith onyx
im not going to do that, just because you do, doesn't mean i do.
left nacelle
I wasn't saying that you have to, it was just an idea
zenith onyx
ah like mine was!
left nacelle
But if you're gonna post massive suggestions, expect to get a lot of feedback
strange wave
^
left nacelle
Yes, yours was an idea, and we never said it wasn't. But we're explaining why it wouldn't work
humble terrace
Maybe para could have a 'push' mechanic?
Uses it's body to push something back on either your left or right side staggering it?
strange wave
my prime example was my oro suggestion getting picked apart because of the mimicry
paper oriole
Para could use its sound to be unique, traveling calls to confuse predators, a dazing call to make an escape, better speed and stam regen, use of its thick heavy body to shove predators over
zenith onyx
i jsut deleted my post, it wasn't good i guess
paper oriole
Perhaps para could use his great range of noise to imitate calls of large predators too idk
covert birch
I always loved the idea of massive para herds mass migrating across the map
Which is what i personally want for para
Make em have some kinda stampede effect which does extra trample damage combined with extra terrain destruction
Side checks and back kicks as its attacks (never liked the whole sound idea)
Make migration paths and such be the main thing promoting these mass migrations
and to make it different from maia, make maia want to nest 1000x time more often via benefits from nesting/having kids around
While para would want little to no kids around due to how much they move
strange wave
and kai, if you make another suggestion about an ability for an animal, see if the ability could be put on another animal thats confirmed and if it would fit better on that animal than the one you thought of, if so rethink the ability to fit the animal your suggesting
covert birch
You can also play long term communication into the mass migrator para
By having it so paras have another local chat which is a much larger range
But they 1 call when they type in it, and cant type in it repeatedly
zenith onyx
i try to do that, but you guys eat it for breakfast every time and tell me that it's not good for taht dino, it should to this guys, or this guy, or htat one
and apexes will still go ham on you if you jsut calll to scare them. it doesn't work now
paper oriole
Eh idk that one would just attract predators more lol
zenith onyx
and it won't work then either
strange wave
your suggestion have thought put into them, much more than most suggestions here it a prime example of a bad suggestion https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/713215249817403412
covert birch
I mean thats the risk/reward buff for it
You can choose to type in the chat if you want, but you may attract preds
you would still have a regular local chat too
zenith onyx
so why does everybody not like them tehn? im trying to make suggestion taht make herbs more playable and fun.
strange wave
your suggestions are good, dont let what we say as feedback put you down, take the feedback and put it to better use
zenith onyx
every body like carnis and not herbs
covert birch
What
zenith onyx
so those suggestion get killed.
covert birch
Sorry to say, but that statement has literally no correlation whatsoever
zenith onyx
prob
covert birch
Like just cuz people dont like your herb suggestion, doesnt mean people dont like herbis
zenith onyx
but whatever, before i blow up im gonna leave and maybe come back later with a better suggestion
paper oriole
I mean a lot of people are biased towards carni but some of us do main herbi and want better things for them, but those things should be practical
zenith onyx
this game is unreastic. how could it be practical?
covert birch
Lurkers doin reacts again it seems
strange wave
example no fire breathing para
paper oriole
I love para, he is a beautiful and cool dino but he would look a bit silly swimming. I mean visually practical
daring bramble
lol hi
paper oriole
Like there's a lot of talk about magyaro outrunning allo and that isnt visually practical at all
magy is a bad animal too anyway
zenith onyx
alot of animals outrun things
paper oriole
Yeah but look at his proportions
strange wave
magy is a bad animal too anyway
@paper oriole
safe galleon
yeah but magy has "armor"
paper oriole
Search your feelings, bork, you know it to be true!
daring bramble
just here to read the shitfest kinda
strange wave
Search your feelings, bork, you know it to be true!
@paper oriole to be true that magy is my herbi main, yeah
zenith onyx
and para is faster then most carni's. why couldn't he use water for SHORT amount of time to escapes apexes?
paper oriole
Magy's puny ass scutes aint gonna save it from a aucho slap
safe galleon
paper oriole
Para gets trotted down by any giga with more than 2 brain cells and an ounce of patience as it currently is
neat beacon
Does magy become the allo
covert birch
Magy can function without needing to outrun allo if you make it a dense forest dwelling herbi
And it outmenuvres larger animals, using CC attacks such as side checks to knock them over to give it a chance to escape
Also a whip like tail for concussive attacks can work well too
paper oriole
Magy has the unique ability to transform into a gore pile when it sees any predator
neat beacon
it can shapeshift
strange wave
Magy's puny ass scutes aint gonna save it from a aucho slap
@paper oriole shame sucho is too slow to catch speedy magy
paper oriole
Magy can fly with his neck flap
covert birch
Magys neck flap splits
And it flaps away like dumbo the elephant
paper oriole
Yes
covert birch
Allo just bounces off the balloon any time he goes for it
Para doesnt need a health buff to survive apexs
It needs to actually be able to escape from them KAI
paper oriole
Magy's neck flap stretches like a paper bag and suffocates allo
safe galleon
giving it more health will just make it die slower
grave karma
juvie magy airbag for ATVs
zenith onyx
give it health so that, (because giga outpaces everything) can actually take it and still be able to survive
paper oriole
Para needs better speed and stam, good bleed resist and cc, then he is good
Giga is getting a rework
paper oriole
Para should just outrun it and have good stam and stam regen
zenith onyx
no take dmge and but still live instead of dieing in the first two bites]
covert birch
yes make para speedy boi
safe galleon
magys neck actually functions the same as some sea snails mouth that extend out of their bodies to ctach prey
boom
omni magy
mental sleet
KAI, I would wait to see the new combat before proposing any new balance changes.
zenith onyx
multidavid leave me be please
mental sleet
...What did I do to you ?
zenith onyx
telling me to basically shut up
neat beacon
?
paper oriole
With body checks, dazing call, stun kick, and traveling calls to make pinpointing them harser
zenith onyx
until something is said or shown about the combat
covert birch
What
mental sleet
I... did not do that, but if you think so, I'll leave you be.
zenith onyx
im leaving.
zenith onyx
you guys can argue about this to your hearts content
covert birch
I like how any time people dont seem to like your suggestion, you go into this frenzy of everyone gangs up on me
zenith onyx
um, how many times have people liked you stuff?
and how many times have people liked me stuff?
almost zero
indigo sun
You cant know how stuff will be balanced. This is what we say to pretty much every balance suggestion KAI. Things are getting redone, we should to wait and see how things work before we offer changes for stuff we dont have experience with. Basing suggestions off of balance now doesnt really help much with how much balance will be changing due to all the new systems and reworks. Its no one telling you to shut up. Its david saying you should probably wait to see how para and apexes work in the future since balance now is literally irrelevant
covert birch
^
safe galleon
KAI you take these things really personaly, I would suggest just moving along and not comparing yourself to others
zenith onyx
unless your telling about a suggestion, then leave my personal life out of this
neat beacon
????
safe galleon
...
indigo sun
No one.. said anything about your personal life..
neat beacon
We're not sayin anything about your personal life??????
zenith onyx
@safe galleon did
safe galleon
covert birch
the word personally =/= talking about your personal life
neat beacon
THEY SAID DONT TAKE THINGS PERSONALLY
covert birch
Very different
indigo sun
They said youre taking things personally, they didnt say anything about your life. And they said that because you freak out when people dont like your suggestions
zenith onyx
um nobody ever like my suggestions!
indigo sun
Well, you do now. Dont think you did in the past
neat beacon
Well, take criticism them
daring bramble
not everyone is going to like your suggestions, KAI, it's nothing against you
neat beacon
You can ask people to help improve then
covert birch
not everyone is going to like your suggestions, KAI, it's nothing against you
^^^^^^
This will happen whether you write a good suggestion or not
Criticism in these things are very important
indigo sun
Maybe thats a sign that you should change your perspective on the game because a lot of other people see things differently and look at the criticism on your stuff to understand how people see it
neat beacon
If you want us to help give constructive criticism we can
zenith onyx
not everyone likes them? yeah taht true! i've had maybe one suggestion that people liked. that was the one with hte oceanic suggestion. htat is about it.
covert birch
And whats the issue exactly
daring bramble
some people might really like someone's suggestion, but there are going to be people who don't and it's just based on opinion
neat beacon
Complaining nobody likes them wont do any good.
covert birch
^
indigo sun
Ive had suggestions people dont like before! Blue's had suggestions people dont like before. Shit happens!
neat beacon
If you want constructive criticism ask us
zenith onyx
constructive is better then the negative, that's all i get on this server
neat beacon
Well ask
zenith onyx
idk why
daring bramble
just take the advice and use it to make up suggestion that'll probably be better fit for the game
covert birch
Kai, negative can be constructive
You can see what people didnt like in your suggestion and change it so your future ones lack those issues
neat beacon
^
zenith onyx
negative tears people down, nobody tries after that if all you get is verbal fights and people saying your ideas suck....
covert birch
What
covert birch
Disagreements =/= saying ideas suck
zenith onyx
hwo knows when that will be
neat beacon
Well make suggestions when it is
indigo sun
Itll be sometime in the next few weeks. It means nothing to suggest balance changes right now based on the current game. Multiple devs have said to forget current balance.
Its better to just wait and see how things work in the future than try and make suggestions based on a soon to be irrelevant version of the game
We dont know how para will work in the future. We dont know how giga or rex or anything else will work. It's best to just wait.
icy lion
@subtle gazelle devs have said dilo's getting a sort of "hop" as opposed to a big jump that utahs have. we havent heard much about it though
icy lion
its alright! it was a while back and im not even sure if its in writing anywhere
subtle gazelle
a small jump/hop
icy lion
yea, it wont be able to get on the boxes in port most likely though. like i said, we havent heard much more than that
paper oriole
assuming the load of new carnivore features cause the herbi playerbase to shrink even more, I don't think preventing strong herds is necessary
even on servers where trikes can herd with theris and whatnot, predators make kills from the herd
vestal hound
The thought of a compy cleaning a rexes teeth as emote animation sounds super cool and risky
delicate musk
Is anyone also bothered by Ceratos size and place in the game? despite the fact it has flaws it feels weird to see ceratos that big, i mean they were only slightly bigger than dilos
paper oriole
cera is getting a downsize
iirc
same with diablo i think, dinos are being changed to their maximum specimen size
delicate musk
oh ok cool, good 2 know!
covert birch
@subtle gazelle So 2 things
A: If your referring to a QNA type channel, that happened a few months ago and was said that there may be another
B: General chat can function the exact same when devs are actively speaking in there
subtle gazelle
thanks
pale sorrel
Great suggestion, Pteranodon! 😀
honest sparrow
Thank you!
pale sorrel
You're welcome! 😄
paper oriole
Damn i feel bad for those camels, would be cool to see chonkers like para and shant do this tho
vestal hound
lol the video is blocked in my country
paper oriole
Oof
It may be considered animal abuse which could be why
The camels are put together to fight for a cultural event
vestal hound
nah it is claimed, blocking for cruelty looks different
paper oriole
Ah
vestal rune
is carno still meant to have the speed damage multiplier or was that scrapped?
left nacelle
It think it's safe to assume it'll still have it, cause we haven't heard anything otherwise
past eagle
and break it's neck on impact
left nacelle
By biting something at high speed? How?
random imp
lol carno biting on high speed'd only break carno's mandible
harsh silo
@fiery edge cool idea but i dont think they'd do it since they plan the game to be strictly survival with no "missions" for the mercs. Also a credit system wouldn't really fit in either, the best you'd do for credits in the game would be cosmetic stuff at best imo
fiery edge
I was thinking on using credits for improving weapons or stuff that helps to blend in with the envoriment such as a guilly suit (sorry for bad english)
harsh silo
You'll find them scavenging and looting @fiery edge
vestal hound
@spark pier It will probably not kill the game to start with 2 dinos in the first month of basically public bug testing.
Nonoffical servers are still able to bump playermaximum up
Riding will not be thing anymore probably, with the new build in change to altturn and hunting will be more challenging now than before because your prey can finally fight you off if you are in a balanced scenario.
In the end, if you don't like the balance of the start of Evrima it is still possible to host servers on the "legacy" branch, that probably stays up till the new roster is complete
still temple
phasing thru each other and ass riding =/= engaging gameplay
spark pier
Ok but for all those people who think riding dinos without alt turn is easy go away and try to solo a REX or a giga as a Utah before you claim it to be the case. Alt turn allows a rex to do a pirouette which just isn’t realistic. We have spent hours of training bf and effort to be able to do it. Also currently the cap is 100 on official servers push that to 150-200 to have more diversity of the cap is pushed to half (50) it can be assumed lag will result as it does when pushed above now.
valid zephyr
🍿
harsh silo
Ass riding is easy and unbalanced man, thats just how it is
still temple
imagine thinking that assriding takes skill.
cyan flame
It doesn't matter how "easy" it is Ares, it's not fun, engaging, or even meant to be done that way. Simple as that. They've said a few times now that all will change, combat, and everything else.
valid zephyr
Ok first part of the suggestion:
I completely agree. A map bigger than V3 with less players.
cyan flame
With collision, locational, grappling, and other fun stuff, we'll hopefully have some really cool combat, rather than "left click 20 times while walking behind someone" or "alt turn/facetank while left clicking" xD
indigo sun
youre abusing the fact that your prey is unable to defend itself because you removed that ability
vestal hound
Look I am unskilled af... I can't even assride. I am happy anyway that it goes away.
spark pier
As I said guys if it’s easy go away record a video and show me you can solo on a isle server
cyan flame
So, I'm sorry you "wasted" a lot of time learning a method that will most likely not be the main way of fighting anyway, especially not as utah getting a pounce at that, but well, things change. We might get trample too.
harsh silo
I dont consider myself amazing at fights and even I can assride man
valid zephyr
Second part:
alt turn and no alt turn is gone. dinos now turn on the spot as part of their default movement with animations included. No more gliding around on one foot, and no more bus turning circles.
indigo sun
i'll agree with more players, thats a concern a lot of us have. but fuck assriding when you should be actually fighting, not eating ass
harsh silo
Ive assridden allos to death as a cerato many times
still temple
the only reason it might be challenging for unexperienced players is due to "shitboxes"
cyan flame
@spark pier Its irrelevant if its easy or not, it's not an argument for if it should be done or not. Or if it's even fun or good combat.
Or balanced for that matter
valid zephyr
Irl animals can turn around on the spot.
ebon tiger
Dondi's said before that Utah shouldn't be even thinking about attacking a Rex, and it's your own fault if you try and get utterly destroyed
still temple
assriding is boring af. sprint in, phase thru someone, take a bite, sprint away, repeat 100 times.
how is that engaging gameplay
edgy hamlet
So i agree with the fact that theres not enough players allowed on the map
cyan flame
The player cap is.. iffy yes, especially with a bigger roster, and if you want to nest, needing both a partner and well, wanting a few kids maybe
spark pier
This takes skill and training
indigo sun
wow eating ass means youre so cool
harsh silo
Im cringing so hard dude
cyan flame
And no, I doubt it does, wonder if those rexes hit each other or not
harsh silo
safe galleon
cyan flame
But it doesnt matter
indigo sun
you work hard to abuse the fuck out of a rex's turn radius
harsh silo
Its not hard at all to stay behind smth with a slow turn
cyan flame
That method won't be as viable, if viable at all, since bites are apparently not going to be the main damage dealer anyway
So..
Relearn!
spark pier
Go away and do it then
cyan flame
I've no doubt your utah pack can be badass in the new way too
harsh silo
The fact that "training" has to be done is kinda sad honestly.
still temple
spam crouch/ambush
ass turned against wall
no alt turn
What is this a Sticky-Utah vid?
harsh silo
Go away and do it then
I told u already Ive done it before, its unfair
Just play things with quick turn and assride things to death
G a m e p l a y
indigo sun
sorry i dont take away players' ability to defend themselves just to feel like im a real good hunter
spark pier
I just hear you I can’t do it @harsh silo get good
ebon tiger
@spark pier , take this into account; nothing about combat will be the same in the update.
so all the "training" you've been doing will be for naught anyway
indigo sun
you shouldnt even think of assriding when you have pounce. if you still assride in the recode, even if we didnt have collision, you'd be a shit utah unworthy of even playing the animal
harsh silo
Poor sweet summer child
valid zephyr
no alt turn servers are confirmed to no longer exist too.
safe galleon
and also damn those rexes are bad
valid zephyr
imagine playing mordhau, but your turn circle is 10m
ebon tiger
aye, the new turning will be permanent, and cannot be disabled
still temple
"rex alt turning is not realistic"
so is a Utah taking on a Rex, I don't see you complaining abt that though 
valid zephyr
irl animals can turn on the spot. just because the current game hasn't got an animation, doesn't mean it's unrealistic
indigo sun
get used to actually learning how to fight instead of abusing turning
we'll all have to adapt to new combat so im sure youll have plenty of time to adjust
valid zephyr
imagine a domestic cat murdering humans because the humans can't turn around
the cat just walks after the human biting their feet until they drop dead
edgy hamlet
that argument ended the discussion heh
harsh silo
I mean ofc
barren zephyr
harsh silo
What kind of discussion is this in the first place
spark pier
Just imagine when your you finally look in the mirror and realise your an asshole
harsh silo
Woah
cyan flame
?
barren zephyr
woh woh
harsh silo
Take the hostility down man
safe galleon
*you're
harsh silo
Woah woah woah
barren zephyr
i came to the tea i see 🍵
harsh silo
He's so angry
spark pier
I came to have a fair discussion without ridicule representing a large player base
pale prairie
assriding could be easy or it could be the most difficult thing to do in the game, that doesn't affect the point.
it's not a good combat system, the devs don't like it.
hence, a forced "turn in place" system will be in evrima.
barren zephyr
alt turn wants to know your location 
edgy hamlet
i dont think dondi will change his mind and throw away all the plans he made for the new combat system so
valid zephyr
Like it or not the game is an ecosystem sim. Not a fighting game. You're asking for animals to be fictionalised to not be able to turn around to walk behind them biting.
harsh silo
We even told u the legacy branch will still be up for a while
barren zephyr
😶 Okey What ?
valid zephyr
If you see a rex as a utah, you move away.
cyan flame
No, you gave some feedback, and we're all in the wrong chat for that matter. And we're pointing out that some feedback, such as playercap, is something some of us are also concerned with. But that we disagree on the alt turn/ass riding and at least I tried to point out we're getting new stuff when it comes to combat, that might make it even more fun instead of assriding, especially for utah.
ebon tiger
i'm sorry, but a bunch of Utahs abusing broken hitboxes and turn radius isn't skill, and "training" for that was a total waste of time for your group, as it was all for absolutely nothing
valid zephyr
it can't catch you.
pale prairie
sorry if you've spent the last year training on servers without alt turn.
there'll be a legacy branch for a while with the current version of the game, you and your group could always switch over and play there.
valid zephyr
The entire turn/alt turn system has always been a placeholder. Now movement is being implemented in a realistic way for animals, and one casualty of that is assriding.
barren zephyr
lmfao
valid zephyr
I agreed with the first part of your suggestion. I'm very concerned about low player counts and massive maps.
vestal hound
Also, shouldn't it be exciting to learn a new fighting system with cc, bleeds,stam and more?
ebon tiger
thankfully unofficial servers will be able to adjust their player-caps
barren zephyr
oh yea same, still think 50 is way to low, at least gib 100, 
but i guess i can live with it
rare axle
oh nyo cant kill a rex with my utah I trained so much for it 
ebon tiger
up to 64 was mentioned a few times
valid zephyr
I can already go hours on a full V3 server checking all the hotspots and seeing no one some days.
ebon tiger
plus, let's not forget, there's going to be more AI, and it won't be tied into carnivore hunger any more
valid zephyr
bigger map with half the players will be yikes
icy lion
50 players on a 20km map just seems.... odd
harsh silo
V3 is poorly crafted, it is what it is
valid zephyr
it will be like playing google street view.
harsh silo
Thenyaw is better crafted even though its smaller
Mainly because even though there are hotspots on thenyaw u still find people anywhere on the map
V3 is either a hotspot or nothing
valid zephyr
V3 is so big even the hotspots are often empty
harsh silo
Size is also involved in that
valid zephyr
and new map is even bigger, with half the players
edgy hamlet
If people will find a hotspot on the map they will just clump there since its such a view players on the map
harsh silo
If spiro is nicely crafted it wont be like v3, sure, there will be hotspots, but you'll find things on other places too
valid zephyr
like i get we can eat AI.
but can we group with them? or nest with them?
like how is a para going to find a herd to group and nest with when there will be another para like once per 3 months
pale sorrel
I agree... I think the player cap should either be raised, or more official servers should be made. Because like this, I'm sure that in the first few days of EVRIMA, all the official servers will be 101% full, because it's always first come - first serve
harsh silo
I dont think nesting would be possible
pale sorrel
And everyone will want to play
rare axle
If unofficial cannot reach 200 without the game being a buggy mess I have concerns 
edgy hamlet
most people will switch to other servers with more players allowed anyways
pale sorrel
Even right now, I can't get into EU1 because it's at 100 players
harsh silo
Unofficials will definetly try to increase the player cap
rare axle
I mean I keep seeing ppl defending the lower players count but let's be real, we all know everyone will migrate on servers where the number will be increased 
harsh silo
So its ok
valid zephyr
like i fully understand AI can be spawned for us to eat. but we'll never be able to interact with it like a player.
harsh silo
Unofficials with very powerful servers will try to go higher so we'll have to wait and see
pale sorrel
Yeah, that's true Jenkens
quaint plover
I think higher player count and less servers would make it better, the more people spread out means less player counts on each
pale sorrel
Yeah, that's true
But if more dinosaurs get added, you could only have that many different dinosaurs to choose from
rare axle
I feel like the game should be optimised for high pop to start with, if ppl don't like high populated servers they can still move to lower populated ones
harsh silo
The issue with population is that the AI will take a lot of power on the server side
They want a complex and scary ai, itll take a lot of resources on the server side
quaint plover
bit weird to want less player count but ig you do you
harsh silo
If u have a powerful server you could increase the player cap a bit
quaint plover
sorry my message came off a little sly
was meant to be a joke and a little serious
rare axle
Well I mean not everyone is into massive multiplayer games but I thought it was the objective of the game too when I bought it a few years ago
quaint plover
Ig
I was probaly a little too biased
But yeah I wouldnt mind if they kept the 3 us and eu server and made 1 of each a lower player count like
official 1 has 100+ official 2 has 75-100
official 3 has 50
kinda weird they didnt do something like this
ah just found out why
rain knoll
Why can't nests be used as spawn points to the player that made them? Would be easy to balance.
You'd have to leave one incubated egg open, and you'd have to have enough food in the nest to make it to a juvie. Not exactly OP
vestal rune
that was actually proposed for nesting in the progression days
quaint plover
Wouldn't be op at all considering how long it'll take to grow and that leaving an egg with decent amount of food left in nest would make it so you wouldn't have to travel annoying distances to a spot you like or to friends
You'd have to get through baby stage alone aswell
vestal rune
the new spawn system's meant to circumvent some of the annoyances of travelling to your friends
quaint plover
Oh good
vestal rune
ye fresh spawns will be able to spawn close to groups, so no longass walks to your friends
quaint plover
I need to get up to date on some of things mentioned lol
vestal rune
believe this was mentioned in the QnA
quaint plover
Really?
vestal rune
there were 2 and their transcripts are pinned in #401464048610312195
quaint plover
Oh ty
vestal rune
@topaz palm suggestion 2 is actually planned I think
quaint plover
It seems horrifying lmao
topaz palm
Agreed, I probably couldn't stomach it. It's not for the faint of heart, I suppose!
quaint plover
Lmao stop
topaz palm
But quite awfully realistic, komodo dragons do it and we're getting Megalania.
quaint plover
It'd probably be toned down alot because of budget and stuff but it'd be sick to see as the killer and painful to see as the prey
left nacelle
@snow meadow If a flying animal flies into something, it'll either die or be seriously injured. Animals can fly through the forest, but it'll be very very risky. So I don't think that's something you need to worry about
vestal hound
I can only imagine, once people figured flying out, the most skilled will take it as a challenge to actually hunt in the forest. Specially if we get flyers that are a bit smaller.
left nacelle
I think hunting in the forest will be next to impossible for pteranodon. You'll need to focus on bobbing through the trees and I don't really think you'll be able to look at the ground while doing that
ebon tiger
Ptera's a fisher anyway, so your focus would be around water
vestal hound
Thats why I said eventual smaller flyers, ofc ptera is a fisher and maybe plains scanvenger
barren zephyr
I like the idea of 'collapse of exhaustion' thing. It's a tactic a lot of animals do to make catching and killing stronger/faster pray easier, and can even make pack play more realistic.
For example wolves will swap out pack members to continue the chase of a pray that has more endurance than them to keep up until either the pray stumbles, is caught, or becomes too exhausted to go on. Look up on youtube "Wolf Pack Hunts A Hare | The Hunt | BBC Earth" at first the wolves tier out and cant keep up as theres only two after this hare. But then the whole pack comes in, and those that tier are replaced with fresh, and there able to keep up for longer until they are able to out maneuver a tired hare.
I wouldn't say make them faster in the end, but allow them to run for longer at the risk of going down if they push too long.
barren zephyr
The same endurance can go with attacking to, as that uses stam. But in that you just become too tierd to continue fighting back, though for some herbies I don't think their stam should drain so quickly. Nothing is more annoying than knowing "X herbi can atack 5 times before running out of stam, and wont regen that stam until they lay down"
paper oriole
That utah main suggestion 
Being worried about the player cap is one thing but claiming colission and alt turn will ruin the game because you won't be able to assride? Lmao
icy lion
i woke up right as it was ending
but tbh i dont like the idea of 50 player max
even though unofficials will have more it seems weird to limit the officials like that
turbid glade
because i think alot of people want to play the next update
icy lion
i dont have much to say that other people havent though. but if 100 players on v3 still feels empty i cant imagine 50 on spero will feel like anything at all, no matter how well crafted the migrations and hotspots are
green cave
Whit all the new dnos that will be AI a 50 people server will be whit 100 in total, because Whit all AI they making there will be Bots everywhere
icy lion
yea but playing with/hunting ai isnt necessarily engaging. my issue isnt with not finding food its with finding others
maybe the new ai will be good enough that it is engaging but we'll have to wait and see
left nacelle
But they said they're trying to make AI as indistinguishable from noormal players as possible. So once they get AI done, it won't be an issue
turbid glade
maybe you just get killed from ai :D
paper oriole
The 50 player max is worrying, but assriding going away is a good thing
turbid glade
@paper oriole dont think assriding is going away
icy lion
i imagine hunting ai will be much better with the herds and fighting back, but i like to play with people too
well alt turn is permanent and collision is enabled so assriding will be exceptionally difficult. and health isnt as important in fights
paper oriole
Imo the player cap should be 100, and an isolated ai despawns whenever a player joins. Idk if thatd work tho
icy lion
not only difficult but completely ineffective. dinos are getting unique attacks and mechanics for a reason
turbid glade
as utah i think you stick to the tail and just jump on him if he use alt turn
icy lion
yea, i dont think thatll work even 10% of the time
turbid glade
we have basicly no ingame experience about it now
icy lion
true
paper oriole
On some dinos sticking to the tail will get you whacked
icy lion
but i imagine pouncing and clinging takes TONS of stam
so eventually youll just.... stop
turbid glade
does apexes get an tail attack too?
paper oriole
Like teno, probably the other hadros in some way
icy lion
and yea a dino doesnt have to have a specific tail attack to knock shit around since hopefully collision works nice
paper oriole
No but biting an apex ass will do trash damage
icy lion
a rex's tail is bigger than a utah so its safe to assume that the tail should "win" a collision battle most of the time
having a specific attack isnt necessary if it doesnt need to do damage/stun
turbid glade
so just jumping on it till the trex dies xD
icy lion
stamina exists
turbid glade
depend on how they change the usage of stamina
manic knoll
@timid steeple im thinking they could just make your stamina last a few seconds, and you go alot slower on your first flights
turbid glade
because as utah you had less cost on jump if you dont spam it
paper oriole
And since you wont be able to run through them anymore theyll likely have an easier time turning around to bite the flea
icy lion
fights are mainly stam battles, pouncing and clinging will likely take tons of stam, a utahs bite will do damn near nothing to a rex
turbid glade
but dont do utah bleed?
icy lion
utah falls off, is out of/low on stam, rex turns and chomps. done
bleed is completely reworked
bleed effects stamina and not health
turbid glade
because bleed reduce the stamina
icy lion
if you think a utah is gonna be able to completely bleed out a rex after 2 or 3 pounces youre gonna have a bad time
paper oriole
Packs of mid tiers, and perhaps large utah packs, could take apexes. Making large packs wont be as easy now though
turbid glade
depend on how much pounce cost
icy lion
i think i remember dondi saying "20 utahs and a rex will be a ton of dead utahs and 1 dead rex"
soloing a rex shouldnt be and likely wont be possible unless the rex is afk
turbid glade
but i will try :D
turbid glade
killing juvies :D
honest sparrow
Just a tad late, but that 1 suggestion , but yeah what are we talking about
icy lion
but i dont think assriding will be possible at all with collision
turbid glade
now is the question how high can you jump on a dino without taking dmg
covert birch
Assriding will still be possible, youll just be nipping the things tail or legs tho
So locational will make it worthless
icy lion
i imagine utahs will have some decently rubbery ankles
honest sparrow
Quick turn, collision, trample, multiple attacks, etc will help with that
turbid glade
why not
paper oriole
He upvoted his own suggestion too to top it off
icy lion
not to stoke the fire but he said its a "large part" of the playerbase but the discord has 700 people
neat beacon
covert birch
I mean, i played on a server his utah clan roamed
They got banned for overpacking or something, and the people themselves were horrendous to say the least
icy lion
i cant say im surprised
paper oriole
700 assriding docktahs
icy lion
im glad theyll be gone in a month
paper oriole
Pity on them
neat beacon
A 30+ utah clan sounds sick but it's run by the wrong people
covert birch
They were quite arrogant
Yet even then, they werent as good as he describes
neat beacon
Ngl I would love to make a gigantic utah pack on a no rules server
covert birch
Remember killing a good 3 of em as a bary,
turbid glade
most utah dont know how to fight at all
icy lion
what i want is a flock of hypsis
covert birch
but nonetheless, game isnt a PVP game, its a survival horror
neat beacon
Yeah
paper oriole
“Trained a year” like is he proud of that lel
icy lion
the whole thing was cringe in a sad way tbh
turbid glade
wait i though its an pvp survival horror game
covert birch
Well it depends on your defenition of pvp
is a pvp game centric to pvp
is a pvp game any multiplayer game with any violence between players
etc
green cave
The Idea is survive, but somethimes you need to pvp someone to Continue surviving
covert birch
personally i say a pvp game is one which is centric to pvp
Since the goal of the game isnt constantly killing, at least not the intended goal
Then i dont see the game as a "pvp game"
turbid glade
but how much i got killed when 4 ava around is much xD
icy lion
i wouldnt call the game pvp because i consider fighting players to be part of the term "survival". to me isle pvp is a deathmatch server
covert birch
Current game is quite a pvp game
but again, they dont want the game to go foward in a direction where all you do is killing
icy lion
its not a pvp game, but it is a game that has pvp, if that makes sense
paper oriole
PvP is a place like Asura which is basically a survival deathmatch hellhole where everybody is mix packing and slaughtering eachother en masse
turbid glade
but it kinda fell more like a pvp game
paper oriole
Not most normal servers, esp after all the AI
turbid glade
because like everything around you want to kill you
cyan flame
Personally I would say if the point is fighting, it's PvP, if it's hunting/killing, it's not. If your goal is to get the other guy dead as efficient as possible (one shot kill, hunt the weak, young, you know the deal), then it's not PvP. If it's a "long hard fight" that is epic all around, then it's PvP.
turbid glade
but to have a pack of 10 utah with only 50 people could be hard later
covert birch
Whats the issue of that exactly?
large packs should be difficult to hold
and difficult to start
turbid glade
i mostly prefer to fight solo
cyan flame
Yes, but difficult because of other reasons perhaps, not because of a population cap/inability to find others?
turbid glade
depend on the map size
covert birch
Could be a mix of both imo
cyan flame
True
turbid glade
now is the question about mixpack grouping
covert birch
Mixpacking imo is uneeded
mighty girder
carnivores shouldnt mixpack beyond scavengers following bigger predators for scraps imo
valid zephyr
would be nice to mix with the 1 maia on the map with my single para on the map still though
covert birch
that aint even proper mixpacking imo
mighty girder
I know
valid zephyr
unpopular animals won't ever be able to find the their own species
icy lion
i dont think carnis should mixpack outside of big pred and small scavengers trailing behind
mighty girder
its gonna make the apex issue even bigger when apexes come back, even if apex is hard to grow people arent gonna just stop playing them
icy lion
herbis i have no clue "balance" wise. im used to nycta rules where hadros and ceratopsids hate eachother and everything else is fair game outside of limits
covert birch
migration paths n preferred food will stop large groups of different herbis staying together for long periods of time
mighty girder
The "apex"/psuedo apex herbs should have low tolerance of eachother imo, but smaller herbs shouldnt matter
icy lion
yea, another herd of apex herbis that eat a similar food is direct competition
mighty girder
Like trike shouldnt want to be around shant or stego or anky but I dont see any issue with trikes herding with dibble/proto/ava
esp if dibble gets the size reduction
covert birch
Like a good way to put it is
a trike or pachyrhino can knock down a tree, opening up nodes with very nutritional food for smaller ceratops
Like stuff like that making simialr species be together work fine imo
icy lion
are packing rules for herbis gonna change much on officials? has that even been talked about?
covert birch
All rules on officials are planned to be replaced with mechanics
mighty girder
not as far as I know
icy lion
so technically theyll be "no rules" in a way?
covert birch
yea
mighty girder
Dondi's initial goal for the game was to function with no rules, pretty sure he still wants that
don't know if it'll ever work properly but its been a long standing goal
icy lion
outside of the general "no toxicity" obv. preventing carni mixpack might still need to be necessary
covert birch
I can see it covering the official ruleset well
mighty girder
Eh
I dunno
I dont like the herding offical rules personally
would hate for them to be built into the game
covert birch
I dont see an issue if trike itself is more powerful
icy lion
well it isnt like a hard "limit". i dont think the games going to literally block you from adding an nth member into the group. i tihnk its more in terms of "is there ever enough food around"
nothings stopping you from having 30 trikes other than starving it sounds like
covert birch
yea its just gonna be hard to do,
Trike cant mxipack with the para if the para and trike are forced to leave eachother via food
mighty girder
true. As long as they dont pull the idea from affinity back and make it so too much of x makes the creature lose stats because its nervous
I'll be happy
turbid glade
are there enough mudbathing places around? :D
icy lion
im pretty sure affinity/stress is canned. its an interesting idea but insanely hard to implement/balance
mighty girder
I liked the idea of it, but the more I think about it functioning is yikes
it is canned
happiness stuff isnt really optional, especially if it gives buffs
mighty girder
nobody in their right mind is gnna read "mud bath for extra healing" and go "ehhh nah dont want that"
covert birch
A player can play without buffs, just not as well
icy lion
in a way yea, but if the buffs are tiny and theres no negatives it shouldnt be a big deal
turbid glade
but the mudbathing of a utah looks kinda cute xD
icy lion
i guess we'll have to see what the exact buffs are
mighty girder
not dmg right?
covert birch
Doubt buffs will be too powerful, if they were then itll feel like a chore having to get buffs every time it runs out
mighty girder
dont remember hearing about dmg
covert birch
I mean damage can work, for ceratopsids rubbing horns on trees
turbid glade
i think dmg was for food and water
covert birch
But no, damage wasnt mentioned onstream
icy lion
vomiting damages food water and stam but thats a mechanic and not a "bonus" like the biffs
turbid glade
we need to see how the stuff works out
left nacelle
Puking affects your food and water, and that hinders your stamina, damage output, and growth iirc
icy lion
it also puts a cap on your max hunger, thirst, and stam until youre healed
mighty girder
mhm
paper oriole
There will be several attacks for dinos in recode, 2 buttons wouldn't suffice anymore for controller
left nacelle
@astral swift ☝️
Plus I doubt The Isle will come to console and it won't be any time soon if it does
barren zephyr
sorry for my wall-o-text suggestion I just posted. 😛
left nacelle
@novel halo There won't be more calls then the current ones. There'll just be quieter versions of the current ones which you can do by just tapping the key. Holding it will do the call that we have now
Also there used to be a vocal wheel in the game. I thought it was still in the game. I didn't realize it was removed
novel halo
Ah! This is true. I know in stream there was a mention of new emotes possibly however and actions. So maybe not a wheel for calls specifically but for actions like rubbing on a tree, placing a nest, mudbathing, etc. @left nacelle
They’re adding a lot of new actions in the future it seems, so I feel like it’d make it a little more accessible to have a wheel for safe actions like that. c:
Also I didn’t realize there was a wheel already??? I haven’t seen it, but maybe it was taken out like you said lol. I think it’s just be nice quality of life implement
left nacelle
The wheel was a thing a while back. It was key binded to V by default. I don't think it was really used very often tho. And I think the emotes could mostly be limited to one button, depending on what's near you and what you're looking at. Not all of them could be tho. Like placing a nest would need its own button. But things like rubbing/scratching a tree could be done by just pressing the interact button near a tree
turbid glade
or mud bathing
novel halo
Y’know what that’s fair lol. Guess it depends on what all is added as far as additional emotes go if they decide to. ^^ I didn’t think about just triggering the command like that when I typed the suggestion on the spot haha. Still, it’s an entertaining idea. I look forward to seeing what all is added as far as communication, body language and different actions.
latent cave
@barren zephyr first of all herbs dont take any stam to do normal attacks, you are refering to secondary attacks like stomps or para's kick witch take extra stam, however these attacks also do way way more then a normal attack, looking at stamps for example witch are commen for large herbs like trikes, shants, cama and pue, they do like 5-10x the damage of a normal attack, a shant takes many normal hits to kill a rex but can 1-2 hit them with stomps depending on if they hit the head witch 1 hits a rex. the para witch is the weakest of the herbs with secondary attacks, but even their kick witch costs stam does more damage then an allos attack disbite its main attack being weaker. however unlike trikes and shants para is faster then all carnivores that are a danger to it aside from carno, however carnos are actuly weaker still and a para would win if they traded hit for hit. additionaly all herbs have better stam and stam regen then carnivores of simular or larger size, meaning that all herbs can run from what they cant fight. meanwhile wolves and most preditors irl avoid risking injury, wolves in particular are cowards who will not fight anything that stands it ground agginst them that is more then half their size, on the other hand many carnivorious dinos are around th size of their prey if not bigger, there is no evidence raptors pack hunted or hunted considerably larger pray, at most we know of raptors fighting protoceratops only sligthtly larger. also running is more exuasting then attacking in most cases, having them be to tired to attack but able to run makes no sence, however it could make sence to be tooo tired to run but still be able to attack. looking back on wolves, wolves ussuly do not attack till their prey runs then it chases it well biteing at their backs and genitals, in hope of causing their prey to bleed to death. (fun fact: wild dogs will target the genitals of boars since boar skin is too thick most other places and they bleed alot.)
vestal rune
just wanna point out, there's no locational damage in the current game, occasional instant-kills happen because of latency
covert birch
I mean, with stamina based combat coming now, and all other things piled on top of it such as locational and trample, I feel like this exertion bar is uneeded
barren zephyr
Yes ^ plus be imo, unnecessarily complicate things
and thats part of why I dont like Beasts of Bermuda
I think should leave the core survival mechanics alone
its fine where its at, and just focus and better things to make gameplay more fun like special abilities ( which we know is gonna be a thing in example), more customizability with colors and patterns, maybe also add sub species
pallid trail
@left nacelle That is a cool suggestion but some animals will eat their own young in the wild when a predator is trying to get them or when they are really hungry so that they can survive so I'm not sure if the baby thing is a good idea but I like the adult one
left nacelle
@pallid trail Well, like I said in the suggestion, it doesn't get you ask sick as rotten meat. So if you really needed to, you could still eat you baby. It would just end up making you kinda sick
left nacelle
@night mountain Why can't quetz and ptera fight in the air?
left nacelle
@past furnace Turtle shaped animals (like anky and minmi) can be hard to animate so there probably won't be too many of them in the game. Also this:
night mountain
Quetz has a gargantuan flat head, if it tried to even turn its head left of right while flying it'd straight up crash
left nacelle
I.. don't think it'll work like that in game lol
past furnace
night mountain
like imagine this animal flying and how the air is moving over it, now imagine it whipping its head to the left
left nacelle
Well it doesn't really need to whip it's head left and right to fight
and that doesn't really explain why ptera can't fight
night mountain
ptera is the same deal, its head is nearly as big as its body
left nacelle
Toucans don't have any issue moving their heads in flight iirc
And they have the same issue with head size
They don't have long necks like quetz, but ptera has a short neck
night mountain
I mean, maybe ptera could sort of manage it but even if it could pela is bigger, beefier, and has better weaponry
idk if toucans can or not
I know pelicans can't
left nacelle
They can still fight in the air. I don't really see why they can't just bite downwards. Plus they don't really have a reason to fight in the air, just seems like it would be suicide
night mountain
well yeah thats the thing, super dangerous for pterosaurs, no issue at all for something like pela
night mountain
we have birds now with similar structure and most of their diet is from them grabbing similar sized birds and whipping them around in the air until they puke
frigatebird niche pela would be SO fun
left nacelle
But that doesn't really explain why pela would fight in the air
left nacelle
Ptera is around the same size as pela, just seems like it wouldn't be worth the effort
night mountain
grabbing fish from flying stuff, yoinking hatchlings, being jerks in general
left nacelle
I feel like it would be better for fishing and food stealing, like you just said
I could see them harassing pteras and stuff. But I think it would be a bit weird for them to be full on fighting them in the sky
and I mean it would be weird for them to be fighting them in a predatory way
night mountain
oh yeah I didn't mean kill
left nacelle
Well I think ptera and quetz could nip other flying animals just as well as pela could
If not better, because of quetz's long neck
night mountain
Theres also the whole thing where pterosaurs have wing membranes and pela has a giant sawblade for a face
left nacelle
It's beak isn't that big tho, it would have to get pretty close to things to bite them, compared to quetz and ptera
Unless you wanna make it spit bile like some sea birds do
night mountain
that'd be funny but wouldn't do much since quetz doesnt need feathers to fly ;c
left nacelle
Would do quite a bit if you could hit its face lol
Would be cool to see a quetz get hit and go hurdling towards the ground
night mountain
i wanna see what even happens when something dies midair
or like what happens if you slam a quetz going like 80 into a rexes head
left nacelle
If I had to guess, I'd say they just drop right where they are. But I assume with the new code, they'll maintain their momentum and fly towards the ground. Or at least I hope
night mountain
i hope crashing something into another dinosaur does a shitload of damage
obv you die too
valid zephyr
pterosaurs are really badly adapted for fighting in the air.
ebon tiger
they probably could though. as turning their head in flight wouldn't be that much of an issue, since it's their wings that control flight
they also have air-sacs cushioning parts of their body (which is why Pteranodon was likely capable of diving like gannets)
they wouldn't be grappling with their feet like a lot of birds do, but they could easily bite or jab at another flyer as they went past
random imp
i like Bryans's more, is more realistic
ashen wasp
I do think the second, current, Utahraptor animation is very stiff, but mostly on account of the tail-- maybe with the dynamic tail physics it would be improved?? I DO like how the second animation has Utahraptor's head move in a more twitchy way, like a giant groundhawk, whereas the first looks more mammalian. As it stands I believe both animations can achieve a great deal by incorporating bits and pieces of each other into their own respective loops. I prefer the arms in the first anim, as opposed to the second that makes the Utah resemble a marionette or animatronic. (but if I had to choose between the two, I'd go with the second animation-- just could use some touching-up, but nothing that can't be overlooked!!)
plucky widget
someone look at my suggestion ;-;
random imp
but the Utah tail have to be stiff
is basically the only accurate thing of the Utah here
@plucky widget with locational damage legs won't be a good target, unless you want to escape and not kill. and having animals missing limbs is a tricky work i assume, so that's not really a thing we'll see.
plucky widget
thats why i only said deinov deino
and that for deino specifically the bleed will be fatal
strange wave
@fathom torrent so they would eat plants angerly?
fathom torrent
No XD it’s just that carnivores have something to be scared of and can’t just rush a group of herbivores plus wouldn’t a fight between a hyper trike and hyper Rex look dope or hyper steg vs hyper spino
indigo sun
hypers are too rare and die out too fast to consistently protect a herd. they'd starve their own herd and then themselves. Herbivores arent getting hypers because it doesn't make sense logically to make something that eats bushes into a very hungry tank and lore-wise it just doesnt happen
rugged condor
xD
left nacelle
I'm curious about why some people disliked my suggestion
honest sparrow
Idk
I guess because docktah raids would make you sick or would promote eating juvies of your own kind?
left nacelle
How would it promote eating juvies of your own kind?
honest sparrow
No repercussions for rexes and other solitary carnis
honest sparrow
It just gives an excuse to kill juvies for no reason
left nacelle
But we have that in the current game
honest sparrow
“I’m solitary gotta eat you sorry”
left nacelle
Not really tho?
People don't do that in the game right now
Even with there being no repercussions
honest sparrow
I haven’t have that done to myself but I have heard many a tale
left nacelle
Well yeah but if you're a tiny little juvy and you manage to get killed my an adult rex, that's on you
and juvies are gonna be faster in the recode so they'll be able to survive more
honest sparrow
Yeah
covert birch
@ancient fern
- Fights are gonna start being more interactive since well be getting "grapple matches", dondi described it similar so some old HL1 fighting mod iirc, due to this i also dont think a fighting stance is 100% nessecary
2: new smell seems to be making footprints more visible (particles shown in stream are subject to change tho)
3: I love the idea of a cinematic, but since we are gonna be dropping outa cages from helicopters as juvis onto the island something like that would prolly fit better
4: That milestone system is happening in the form of a new "Happiness system" which is optional, do things that make your dino happy such as mud baths, horn rubbing on trees, etc and you get bonuses
5: Devs have mentioned a sleep mechanic, but it will prolly be similar to the happiness stuff and be optional
6: Sickness is happening via eating wrong foods/overeating and licking mineral rocks will cure them
7: Trees n such will be destructable,
8: Animals will be walking correctly once they implement IK system again, which had issues so its gonna came a bit later on
And most importantly: Dont ping devs
left nacelle
@ancient fern Yeah, might wanna make sure ya read the rules
strange wave
@naive turret why in the hell would gharials be on a dinosaur infested island
naive turret
paper oriole
You need to provide a reason to spend thousands on adding an animal to the game
Like what unique role it would play, other than dying to almost every other semiaquatic in the game
strange wave
@manic venture or just the elder body in general gives a boost, makes players actually want to kill them giving them an extra reason to take it down
manic venture
maybe just two different types of boosts
and also with that it only really goes for carnivores, my way it could be for all animals
strange wave
yeah keep that part, but also give a boost to the elder killer to incentivize ending them before they get a perk
paper oriole
Carnis could get it by killing elders only maybe, giving them the incentive, while herbis get it from plants fertilized by the body in general
manic venture
that could work too
covert birch
Herbis can maybe get a boost by doin osteophagy on the bones of the elder
manic venture
ooo that too
covert birch
like how giraffes suck on the bones of carcasses
paper oriole
That only works on stripped carcasses though, which would require a pred who might also eat the bones
Or camp the body
covert birch
Just leave the body, let meat rot off it, come back later
paper oriole
Eh both could go for the bones i'd think, with the flesh or fertilized plants also being a feature
The bones could be an advanced mineral supplement of their own, granting a boost to nesting, starting the circle of life again in a way
covert birch
Plants growing faster or maybe being more nutricious around corpses would work on top of that
Bones prolly can also work as a supplement for that mineral licking
mighty girder
Feel like that would have to be while the elder was in its prime or close to its prime only
Elders get weaker then normal adults near the end, so them giving a special boost at that point would just be putting an even bigger target on their back and wouldnt make much sense
weaker shouldnt mean buffs
paper oriole
Killing a prime elder as a carni should give a boost, though it seems wrong to encourage herbis to go on killing rampages against elders, so any elder corpse would fertilize the plants around it
covert birch
You can maybe have a mix of both
An elder in its prime feeds more but an elder who died of old age has more nutritious meat
That way you can add more player choice into hunting elders
The player would choose, do i need to kill it now b/c i dont have enough food or should i wait till they die for the bonus
paper oriole
And the bones of an elder would provide either with a boost to nesting in relation to its calcium
And also the sappy symbolism of the old making way for the young yadda yadda
manic venture
oooo maybe if you use elder bone calcium in our nest the babies born from it can have a small boost?
paper oriole
Yeah like that
gaunt fable
Would love but i know the effort time and money required would be massive but i would love to see different maps based upon the different periods like Triassic Jurassic etc and have different dinos foilage etc all the way up to the KT Event.
strange wave
ok number one, this isn't a Mesozoic game and you will be able to disable creatures to each time period and modded maps will be a thing in the future if you would like a custom map @gaunt fable
gaunt fable
Ya i can see that with the custom maps which will probably be cool! and i know the isle is not an all dino game etc but if we're honest that's why most people play it
covert birch
@gaunt fable maps based on time periods will prolly be mainly mods
But iirc in the QNA stream dondi said server options will exist to allow servers to let players only pick species from X time period
indigo sun
@hasty night players will not be able to carry bodies together because of issues it would cause with servers but they will be able to tear pieces off and such
left nacelle
@night sand Perma scars won't be a thing cause rendering all the scars on every dinosaur on the server wouldn't be good for the server
night sand
ah, then locational scars?
i mean wounds
so if u get a bite to the tail a wound doesnt emerge on ur leg and it pops up on the tail
left nacelle
Yeah you'll probably be able to get locational wounds, but if they are added, you won't have any scarring there after they heal
night sand
alr
left nacelle
@dim ore That trot looks a little bouncy and fast for magy imo
and by fast i mean the legs move too fast
dim ore
they could slow it or speed it up as needed, i mainly mean the way the legs are moving. lol ...but on a baby maggy the bouncy trot would be cute XD
left nacelle
Yeah I think it could work for baby magy, but maybe not the adult lol
dim ore
adult would trot more like an adult rhino..its the same motion but just with longer stride.
harsh silo
@hasty night If I recall correctly they'd be willing to do that but it breaks the game a lot. A dev said so, can't remember who sadly
zinc rivet
why do you guys dislike the idea of forcing nesting on officials? I wanna hear
covert birch
I dont think forced nesting is a good thing at all
I like the idea of players as juvis actually having difficulty to grow
Plus with juvi speed boost, its not gonna be completely a bush sitting experience
also dont forget multiple new possible spawn systems we are getting with the airdropping being part of it
zinc rivet
I was just thinking it'd be much more engaging to be able to grow and have some social stimulation from the get-go instead of just being tossed in the wild alone as a weak snack
covert birch
I think being alone as a weak snack is 100% more fun
actually surviving in a difficult setting is great
The whole idea is growth is difficult
Not something you have ai parents help you up to a certain point
honest sparrow
Difficulty-> More rewarding gameplay-> a better gameplay experience overall
Case and point: the souls series and it's kin
zinc rivet
I can't stand growing a juvie alone. It's not like growing up with parents will be all easy either. Your parents could very easily be killed off, or you could be killed by something like a Troodon sneaking in the dark
I jus would find it more engaging personally
covert birch
I think your much less likely to die with parents
Also again, growing as a ssytem will be completely different
Youll actually have to do shit
left nacelle
If you were only nested in instead of spawning, that wouldnt make sense with lore either
covert birch
Yea no dinos would even be on the island if that were the case
honest sparrow
yeah
zinc rivet
idfk shit about the game's lore
covert birch
since dinos be gettin aridropped in when young
honest sparrow
where we droppin boys
zinc rivet
I hope nesting gets expanded at least. I'd probably only do nesting then
covert birch
nesting is changing
left nacelle
The animals that are nested in won't be able to see their own coordinates on the character screen either iirc, cause they aren't born with any sort of tracker inside them
covert birch
its gonna be more rewarding to be nested in
But it isnt forced
yea that too bluebird
Currently if ya nested in ya character menu lacks "Asset Location"
zinc rivet
what the hEck there's lore in the dinosaurs?
this is new to me
wait currently?
i never knew
covert birch
yes currently
zinc rivet
wtf
left nacelle
The dinosaurs aren't even dinosaurs. They're animals made by people that are vaguely based on the animals they're named after
zinc rivet
that's so cool
covert birch
The dinosaurs aren't even dinosaurs. They're animals made by people that are vaguely based on the animals they're named after
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
left nacelle
Hence why the dinosaurs aren't 100% accurate, but are still plausible animals
zinc rivet
ok deleting my suggestion coz i didn't know that shit was even a thing
zinc rivet
I'm aware of that part, of them not being the ACTUAL dinosaurs
covert birch
Like there are benefits and negatives to nesting,
I mean, did ya just think the game lacked any lore
zinc rivet
the part I'm not aware of is the nesting stuff and the dinosaurs being airdropped in and shit
No, but there is so little lore that is released that I don't really care to follow it until they start to seriously expand upon it
left nacelle
Yeah, the new system will have you spawn in cages dropped by parachute, and you'll hit the side of the cage to guide your decent
zinc rivet
unless there is a good amount of lore that i just don't know about
coz i haven't followed it
covert birch
Its a mix?
left nacelle
There is a lot of lore
covert birch
we have lots of info, just not any way to directly put it together
left nacelle
I haven't really followed it either, but I know the basics.. I think
covert birch
wait i gotta vid
meaty did a few other vids on stuff like matriarch and the strains too
left nacelle
Have we learned anything else since that video was uploaded?
One thing I know that I haven't seen too many people mention is that Hyper Spino was made to hunt mosasaurs
covert birch
No since that is like a year old
And a year ago was like the start of recode
Not made to hunt mosas
they just fed it them
left nacelle
It wasn't made to hunt mosas? I remember Dondi mentioning that in a stream tho
covert birch
Iirc AE just fed it mosas
whether it actually hunted em or not 🤷♂️
left nacelle
I'll see if I can find the clip
I can't seem to find it. It's like 2 years old and he just casually mentioned it
junior crow
@covert birch hey man I just wanted to say that I loved your skin customization idea it was really well done!
covert birch
Thx
junior crow
for spino do you think also allowing players to choose different head cress decorations, having the eel tail that we know spino had would be a good idea for customization?
covert birch
Ehhh didnt pick eel tail since it would prolly affect hitbox much more then the other options
Crest works but imo doesnt fit spino much
junior crow
yeah you're right I just thought having a more prominent crest for spoon could be fun but yeah it makes sense focusing more on the sail
left nacelle
@slate owl That would encourage humans to kill dinosaurs, which isn't the point of humans. The humans are just meant to survive by finding gear and equipment. Ammo will be hard to come by, so it should only be used for self defense
And if humans were encouraged to kill dinosaurs, then there would be little to no apexes on the server. Since apexes won't be hard to kill with the right type of gun
slate owl
Ah I see
left nacelle
Yeah. Humans will be deadly, if they have the right equipment
cobalt compass
and will be a snack if you think its like CoD were you start with super bling bling equip
burnt wasp
@slate owl have you not been paying attention to any of the stuff they've shown? Body dragging has been shown multiple times already.
mighty girder
I love that idea, let baby dinos annoy their parents xD
frosty igloo
How about other ways
like maybe have animals with 4 legs try to knock the parent over
or jumping on them
like this
slate owl
I’ve gotten gotten the game and just joined the discord. My apologies
strange wave
@slate owl check #phase-two-archive for most of the juicy details, and watch ravenous for up to date news about the game
mighty nexus
before anyone says,"shouldnt that be giga and argentio" no Giganotosaurus did not actually live along side or hunt Aregentinosaurus, that was Mapusaurus
covert birch
It doesnt matter what it lived with or not, this is not a realistic enviorment
Giga is gonna hunt brachis n camas, not what they hunted irl
Why use 7k dollars to add andesaurus, when brachi or cama literally cover it already
mighty nexus
i just knew some one might have said that so i just wanted to get it out of the way
also we have a way to reduce competition, the species diet mechanic
left nacelle
Yeah, I was thinking exactly what Blue said. Lets say a type of dinosaur hunted small fast animals irl, but in The Isle it lives alongside medium sized slow animals that it is very capable of killing. Why would it still hunt those small animals that it hunted irl when it can get more food from these medium sized ones?
still temple
when Oro and Hypsi can coexist in TI, then there's no reason why Ande and Brachi can't
covert birch
I mean, arboreal hypsi vs useless oro
mighty nexus
well Ande seems to me to be about the size of a Cama so
left nacelle
But why spend $7k+ on an animal that is just like an animal that already exists in the game
frosty igloo
Or we can just keep pue
covert birch
like, for larger tiers doing that makes a lot less sense then smaller tiers
still temple
But why spend $7k+ on an animal that is just like an animal that already exists in the game
left nacelle
Plus Oro and Hypsi seem quite different in game actually
covert birch
Pue is a brachi skin at best
still temple
just have oro climb trees and vomit and there, it's poor man's hypsi
left nacelle
Oro is small and has a medium speed to it, hypsi is small but fast iirc and can spit bile (probably)
frosty igloo
maybe in the far future
mighty nexus
ok this is turning into a argument of samantics and redundancy like the Anky vs Magy
covert birch
what
left nacelle
This really isn't an argument tho lol
still temple
Plus Oro and Hypsi seem quite different in game actually
from what we've seen from the dossier, there's nothing hypi can do that Oro can't
covert birch
Climb trees and vomit
left nacelle
☝️
covert birch
True, but they can also do somethin cool and make oro a burrower
still temple
both are essentially just small herbi fodder
covert birch
since dryos maybe gonna lose burrow
left nacelle
That's not good logic. You can't just say that Giga and rex are the same cause you can give giga bone break
mighty nexus
cause oro isnt a proper playable
still temple
That's not good logic. You can't just say that Giga and rex are the same cause you can give giga bone break
hypsi and oro have much more in common than Giga and Rex.
left nacelle
It was an example
frosty igloo
wait they are taking away dryo burrowig?
covert birch
Maybe
frosty igloo
noooo
left nacelle
They're thinking about putting it on a different animal, Kissen said
The feature isn't being removed, it just changing places
still temple
cause oro isnt a proper playable
then why not flesh Oro out as a playable when it already has a model, textures and basic anims
left nacelle
I wouldn't be surprised if that's exactly what happens
still temple
there wasnt rly a need to add Hypsi as a separate playable, and yet it exists. Which means... tarbo wen 
frosty igloo
I hope dryo gets something cool in return
covert birch
On a serious note tho
I hope they make dryo be slightly slower than preds, but outstam them
And nocturnal
still temple
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/a8/13/3ca813d5f49f2f8c6aa5c5db92433e09.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/db/84/fc/db84fc10a97fef9c5caa6e338ad57e42.jpg
I mean just look at these two
frosty igloo
I personnaly like dryo
still temple
inb4 they make hypsi troodon sized so its different
judging from the dossier, unlikely
frosty igloo
maybe instead give them multiple burrows but allow predators to break in them
as well as fix the dryo in burrow issue
where the server crashes
covert birch
yes, lets make dryo who doesnt really make sense for burrowing, more burrowing
still temple
point is:
"""clone""" animals can coexist in TI with the addition of Hypsi-->Oro.
covert birch
Like, in that size range ava makes more sense for it
Full warthog mode
I mean, those clone animals are ai
At least that is their main purpose
still temple
Hypsi is also AI
covert birch
Yes ik
still temple
that was made into playable
covert birch
Its both
frosty igloo
Im just saying that if dryo dosen't burrow its not as special
valid zephyr
i'm hoping dryo gets dilo level NV instead of burrowing.
proto or ava would suit burrowing a lot more.
covert birch
Does it need to be special?
frosty igloo
I mean...
I have a bias so
Maybe instead allow dryo to dig but for roots and give them night vision
and also hide in logs
covert birch
Nocturnal dryo who is slightly slower than its preds but outstams em is best imo
valid zephyr
hide in logs is a complete yes for me
covert birch
And then to make oro and hypsi different to eachother, make one burrow and the other arboreal
valid zephyr
dryo is already slower than its main predator (utah)
frosty igloo
maybe even eat shrooms from the logs
covert birch
Aint dryo slightly faster than utah
valid zephyr
I defo want hypsi to be a daytime climber.
sit on branches out of reach just being fabulous.
nah utah is faster even without ambush
covert birch
wait nvm
frosty igloo
That is why I like dryo being fast
frosty igloo
yeah but its already bad enough that it cant really fight
valid zephyr
rex, dilo, and allo are faster in ambush
covert birch
Im talkin base speeds
valid zephyr
carno and utah faster in normal speeds
frosty igloo
yeah its already bad enough that it can't fight
covert birch
Make dryo a stam monster whos nocturnal
who is like 2 km slower than its main 2 preds (dilo/utah)
still temple
With dryo's burrowing being snapped, I wonder how they're gonna make Dryo not a discount-galli
valid zephyr
NV is the best way to not be a galli clone
valid zephyr
make dryo a nocturnal and have its main predators be troodon and dilo
covert birch
It functions exactly the same, just at night
valid zephyr
i mean you can make the arguement for lots of playables. giga is just rex with bleed and no bb
frosty igloo
Im still saying it would be nice not to have clones
covert birch
Not really jenkins
still temple
so they're making a playable another one but smaller
valid zephyr
can make galli much faster but low stam
covert birch
120kph galli with only 1 min of stam
valid zephyr
utah is 76kph, so I expect galli will be above that by a small margin.
but below utah ambush
(in recode)
covert birch
gallis just gonna be more immortal than it currently is in recode
frosty igloo
Maybe make dryo slower but allow it to kick and fight
valid zephyr
galli should have like 80kph sprint and only 30 seconds of stam imo
and not much stam regen.
frosty igloo
meaning that its not going to get wrecked by Uthas
barren zephyr
at that speed though, can't escape with 30 seconds
covert birch
^
valid zephyr
galli is small, so it can lose things in the forest
barren zephyr
especially in open areas or daylight
covert birch
Utah is small, it can chase it in the forest with ease
frosty igloo
yeah esspecially with grazing
covert birch
Especially with only 30 seconds of stam
frosty igloo
it will be stuck in the open
valid zephyr
people complain that galli is a complete god, but then don't want nerfs
barren zephyr
and 30 seconds of time at 80mph doesn't get you like any where on the map lol
covert birch
It should be a god
valid zephyr
it should be balanced
barren zephyr
Never complained about it 😉
covert birch
Just make it absolute shit at combat
barren zephyr
They care way too much about such a tiny little thing.
valid zephyr
it defo shouldn't be beating a utah in combat unless it gets lucky
covert birch
Like its only attack is trample and maybe a stationary kick
frosty igloo
I think gali should be able to eat hatchlings
valid zephyr
imo its attacks should be a really weak peck to use moving.
and a really powerful standing kick which uses a chunk of stam and does bleed.
covert birch
it doesnt really need a peck with trample
cuz i doubt ya gonna peck anything thats your size
valid zephyr
teno has 4 attacks. what's wrong with galli having a peck?
frosty igloo
but with uthas pouncing
covert birch
nor do i think itll do more damage then trample/be as effective
Heres the thing
Tenontos 4 attacks covers all form of movement
frosty igloo
I mean a peck would be nice
valid zephyr
tenos bite attack is 100% pointless as it covers the same as the claws
no harm in having a peck
covert birch
Claw and slam = stationary attacks
Bite and kick = moving
The claws arent useable when moving, so it isnt pointless
frosty igloo
Yeah
covert birch
The peck is literally just a worse trample
valid zephyr
not really. with trample you have to go on and over them. with peck you can sit on their ass hitting them
frosty igloo
but how about it can be done to animals that run along side you
valid zephyr
perfect for escaping velos and ovis
frosty igloo
like a utah tries to punce you
covert birch
Why would you escape a velo and over whne your large enough to run em over
frosty igloo
but you peck it
covert birch
Im not really seeing a benefit to pecking them, when you can literally run them over
cuz i seriously doubt ovi nor velo will outrun galli
valid zephyr
if you trample an ovi, youi're probs going to have to then go round again.
peck lets you sit on their ass as they flee hitting over and over
frosty igloo
mayeb make velo prey to gali
covert birch
I dont see ovi surviving a trample, and if it does itll prolly be seriously injured and/or fall to the ground
like ovi is 1/10th of gallis size lets remember
frosty igloo
yeah but what if it bites the legs
covert birch
Pecking literally puts its neck, its weakpoint, closer to its opponent
frosty igloo
but could mess with the pounce
valid zephyr
having one trample kill an ovi seems op. you could just sprint through an entire ovi group like the mount and blade couched lance before it got patched.
covert birch
Which is why ovis need to avoid gallis, and other stuff
Using the brush n such
Its like how dilos need to avoid maias now
valid zephyr
that honestly sounds even more unfair than the machinegun kick. at least a dryo or juvie can often survive one kick
just insti-dying the second a galli comes into physical contact with you sounds utterly awful.
how dilos avoid maias now is broken and one of the largest balance complaints in the current game.
covert birch
There are multiple ways to avoid these issues from occuring
Such as making ovi more menuvrable, outstam the galli, actually hiding, etc
Thing is, there lacks the foliage to even properly hide from those larger creatures in current game
valid zephyr
if a dilo sees a maia, it's dead.
frosty igloo
do you guys think gali should be omni
frosty igloo
I mean maybe small lizards
valid zephyr
think that omni theory got disproved
frosty igloo
although having them in a herd would be annoying
like hey me and the trikes are going to graze
valid zephyr
Paraxenisaurus could make an alternative omni galli which uses its claws and arms.
covert birch
Ovi is already practically an omni galli
just smaller
frosty igloo
GALI!!!
valid zephyr
not all small fast animals are galli clones
covert birch
How is ovi, not literally small omni galli
valid zephyr
parax would have a different diet and method of combat to galli.
is utah carnivore galli?