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#general-feedback-discussion
honest sparrow
There is literally no point to include both
It’s t-Rex and tarbo 2: electric boogaloo
zenith onyx
okay, tylosaur is mosaurus
strange wave
kai want to see the wip aquatic suggestion im making?
zenith onyx
it's just a different name for it. and yes!
strange wave
Playable aquatic
Dakosaurus ( aquatic pursuit predator ala carno)
Edestus (increible aquatic bleeder)
Kronosaurus (the apex not confined to any area, swims slow but with extreme bursts of speed)
Orthacanthus (nurse shark style rising from the seafloor to eat things)
Platecarpus (ammonite crusher)
Ophthalmosaurus (deep water hunter able to shoot to the surface with minimal debuffs)
Styxosaurus (eatin schools o fishies)
Temnodontosaurus ( night apex of the water, still bodied by real apexes)
Xiphactinus (demon tuna)
Cryptoclidus (dodgy boi)
Liyitatan (ahab)(aqua rex)
Tusoteuthis (giant satan cuttlefish, uses bioluminescent ink to vanish into the darkness, hooks make grab almost inescapable)
Archelon (the jelly muncher)
Squalodon (aqua utah)
Dunkleosteus (bone break champ)
Mosasaurus (for some lore reason) (able to beach itself to catch land prey)
Jaekelopterus (satan lobster on crack)
palaeophis (coral snake)
Shastasaurus (sea cama but it eats mid tiers)
Omnidens (aqua deino)
Semi aqua
Hesperornis (duck seal)
Atopdentatus (vacuum)
Nothosaurus ( leopard seal)
Ai
Blue whale
Sardines
Leedsichthys
Ammonites
Jellyfish
honest sparrow
zenith onyx
hoffmannii was a tylosaur but grew past it's original stopping point for growth. many people get this confused with it being a mosasaur and a tylosaurus. they are the same thing.
honest sparrow
Mosasaurus and Tylosaurus are different animals
zenith onyx
hoffmannii was a tylosaurus. he was just a special case
zenith onyx
hoffmannii is a lone specimen. there are no other specimens of his species. he is a tylosaur that continued to grow over their maximum growth point. hoffimannii has the same skeletal system that tylosaurs have
honest sparrow
Tylo and mosa come from the same place at the same time
Rn tho
According to what I can find
Hoffmannii is a mosaurus
And if Hoffmannii is indeed a Tylosaurus
That means the whole species would just be another mosa species
zenith onyx
tylosaurs and hoffmannii have teh same skeletal system. same creature.
honest sparrow
Which means since mosa was named first, Tylosaurus remains Mosasaurus Hoffmannii
mighty girder
I mean that picture you sent literally says "Tylosaurus was one of the largest and most successful of the mosasaurs"
honest sparrow
Yeah
zenith onyx
tylosaurus was discovered around the same time as mosasaurus. they are the same creature
because their skeletons
are the same
honest sparrow
Tylo was found almost a century afterward
Which means
Tylosaurus Hoffmannii is it is indeed the same
Is Mosasaurus Hoffmannii
sleek ingot
Which species of Pachyrhinosaurus is the one modeled for the Isle based off of?
And any sources showing P. canadensis is the largest?
Because I can't find anything stating the size of P. canadensis and P. lakustai
honest sparrow
It’s Canadensis
covert birch
its whichever one is larger
Which iirc is canadensis
honest sparrow
I feel like I’ve seen a lot of people asking what pachyrhino species it is
sleek ingot
Yeah but does it look like P. canadensis? I see a small horn on the forehead which I don't believe P. canadensis had.
And where did you hear P. canadensis was larger?
paper oriole
With locational damage, collision, trample, and servers no longer being able to disable alt turn, utahs and dilos won't be assriding apexes to death like they do now
Highly doubt the devs would let rex become unviable at all either, they love rex
indigo sun
a "moral" system isnt the weirdest suggestion ive heard but like, its kinda out there
covert birch
Moral system for mercs who kill too many dinos and go insane wen
paper oriole
I mean if done right it could help with mass killings, if done right
paper oriole
But killing one apex, if a pack of utahs is able to take out a lone rex after recode with all the features that will be making it harder, just let em
covert birch
Let em risk their lives, and if they actually succeed good on em
paper oriole
A system like his suggestion mentioned should only be used to prevent mass killings, not a well coordinated pack taking on a challenge
covert birch
I mean other systems such as stam based combat will prevent mass killings
Like by the time you kill one or two people on a herd doubt youll have the stam to kill a third
At least if the animals are around your size
sudden hinge
I don’t think solo apexes should be slept on but I think a pack of mid tiers or even a large enough pack of Utah’s should be able to handle one if it’s not a smart apexes. Especially with the size buff of allo and such apexes are still going to have to think before face tanking
valid zephyr
a group of mids should defo beat an apex imo.
apexes are the best things solo
groups of mids should be their counter
sudden hinge
Exactly totally agree
Like I agree that lower tiers like Utah’s ceras and the rest of the roster should be cautious and probably not engage even solo apexes after recode but solo apex should still have a healthy fear of mids
covert birch
Awesomeboy Im guessin that suggestion is saying that your a lurker who cant keep up with chat so they need roles?
Magy doenst really need some kinda yell to be viable
At one ton magy can function as an animal who outmenuvres its preds in the dense forest n such
And uses CC (as shown in the concept art) to stumble them as it gtfo
sudden hinge
Agree with blue
Like we start getting into weird territory when we can use sound as a weapon in the game
covert birch
also if anything para is a better animal for sound attacks
honest sparrow
Para: I’ll go in and use my shout, then you go in and use your shout
sudden hinge
Cringe sound attacks 
strange wave
para dragonborn wen
covert birch
Para: I’ll go in and use my shout, then you go in and use your shout
10/10 Leeroy Jenkins reference
sudden hinge
@patent mango apexes are meant to be a certain level above everything else and dinos like Utah’s, dilos, ceras, and other smaller carns shouldn’t be able to hunt them. The recode isn’t going to even make you want to hunt them from what I can interpret from the devs they want dinos to fill niches and apex predators fill one niche and that is they are the top of the spectrum. A full grown healthy Rex should not even look at a nearby Utah unless it is hunt the Utah. Hunts and engagements are going to be situational man you don’t want to go after healthy adult apexes the risk is far to high for the reward
covert birch
Small dinos literally shouldnt be able to kill apexs unless in groups of like 8-12
Or if its already injured
midtiers like 3-6
sudden hinge
Definitely agree with Blue the fact that sticky Utah now has no trouble ending apexes as one Utah is why this game needed the recode
And this is coming from someone that doesn’t care for apexes at all I just know apex predator means apex so they top dog
left nacelle
@humble terrace Bird ambiance will now be coming from treetops, you'll even hear branches rustling from monkeys and stuff moving through the trees. Birds will even fly away when animals roar
humble terrace
oh was this something I didn't hear about then?
was that said in a stream or somethin?
left nacelle
It's been said mostly in streams iirc
I believe Filipe was the one streaming. He streamed himself placing the sound assets a month or two ago
humble terrace
aaah ok, good to know, thanks for clueing me in on that
left nacelle
No prob! 👍
honest sparrow
ah yes another kai suggestion
zenith onyx
what's wrong with my suggestions?
zenith onyx
okay. you jsut made it sound that way. i had alot of ideas today.
honest sparrow
but there's usually a lot to dissect here
zenith onyx
i understand
zenith onyx
okay. they look like shoulder spikes and i didn't know the scientific name for the them lol
honest sparrow
they're like the same thing anky or minmi have
zenith onyx
okay.
honest sparrow
so I don't really see them cutting into dinos to give them infections
and then again what's to stop a dino from simply killing the magy while it has a cut
that I can assume it would be able to heal
zenith onyx
well if the magy gets away and survives the fight, the attacker might not, dondi has said that wounds can get infected and stuff if you don't heal as soon as possible.
covert birch
magy doesnt need a charge
zenith onyx
why?
covert birch
Again,
Magy can function easily at its max irl size like this
It menuvres better in forests then its preds
And uses CC attacks to gtfo
Shove an allo over
Then run
Shove a cerato over
Then run
Etc
Shit like utahs it kills
sudden hinge
Exactly I think magy will be fine as a jungle sauropod that avoids the plains
zenith onyx
charge would do the same thing except maybe cripple them for a short period like the pachy
sudden hinge
It won’t need to have some weird sound wave to get out of trouble or like a weird charge
zenith onyx
allow to escape into jungle to hide from sight
well that could be said too about carni's sprint
covert birch
It doesnt need a charge
simply b/c the cc does the same stuff
No need to add a complete other attack, when other stuff can function exactly the same
Knocking a cerato on its side is gonna hurt it like a btich, maybe even cripple it
if it falls on rocks n shit
icy lion
i dont think we even know how exactly magys body check will work anyway
covert birch
basing it on the concept it seems to be a knock over
which is enough to give it a chance to run imo
cuz magy obv wont be fighting much
being half the weight of tenonto
zenith onyx
what im saying is that the charge can be used to help push over preds if they catch up to it. deal additional dmge so it the carni thinks twice befor attacking again. it cripple them for a short period.
icy lion
id hope the shoulder bump will wind dinos it cant knock over
sudden hinge
Exactly magy is definitely going to keep his distance I believe that the devs want dinos to defend themselves more often than being offensive combatants which a lot of people don’t get
covert birch
WHy would magy want to charge something, when it can just start running and shoulder bash when that thing gets close
Why would magy, who is nothing like pachy or a ceratopsid
Want to go to its predators
zenith onyx
that is what the charge could be used for, to deal dmge but it could also use it to escape aswell. like a sprint charge up
sudden hinge
The only way is because a human player wants there lil sauropod to wreck shop which is unrealistic for a dinosaur it’s size
covert birch
Kai, think of it like this
Magy would never use charge unless it directly tried to fight an animal
Most cases of that end in the magys death
zenith onyx
look up
sudden hinge
^ forreal
sudden hinge
Blue got the right idea
zenith onyx
use it to ESCAPE
covert birch
A charge attack that isnt used to charge into stuff but run
zenith onyx
the charge if they don't want to fight
sudden hinge
That’s not a charge it’s a sprint
covert birch
Thats just called running away
And an attack while running away can easily be functioned via side check
sudden hinge
You running away not charging away lol
covert birch
still dont see your point here
zenith onyx
it can be used both ways like carni's use sprint to sometimes run away from other BIGGER preds
zenith onyx
or to attack if there is no cover to run too
icy lion
i hope ambush gets changed
zenith onyx
why not? players use it all the time
covert birch
Those are abilities for entering combat
sudden hinge
Ambush does need a change
covert birch
B/c they are using it wrong
And using a system for things that arent meant to be used in that manner
sudden hinge
^facts
covert birch
An ambush is menat to be used when ambushign something
Not used to gtfo
Or mid fight speed boosts
zenith onyx
um players will always use systems wrong to get away or to be op
covert birch
Literally defeats the purpose of it being an ambush
Or you can make systems not be used in that manner
sudden hinge
I feel like maybe if they made ambush like coverage based that would work better like the more cover your dinosaur has around you the better chance you get to getting the speed buff idk tho
zenith onyx
it was just another way for magy to fight back and be big. so far it only has one moce which is to run and shove
sudden hinge
Magy smol
zenith onyx
it's the size of a cerato
sudden hinge
blue going in
covert birch
yes and cerato is 1050 kg
And magy is 1200 kg
And tenonto is fucking 2000 kg
zenith onyx
look in the artwork design and creation for hte magy
tenonto is the same size as the utah
icy lion
utahs gonna be about 700kg
sudden hinge
Weight tenonto is a big smol
zenith onyx
im not talking about weight though
covert birch
I am since thats what matters size wise
sudden hinge
Yes you are thi
icy lion
thats whats important tho
covert birch
Weight is all that matters size wise
if it was height then anky is a horrible animal
sudden hinge
Haha 😆 anky is so short
covert birch
Nah but seriously
magy may be cerato height
But weight, which is where it matters its small
zenith onyx
forget this everytime i post an idea i get attacked because someone doesn't think it could work
covert birch
and remember ceratos downsize coming
zenith onyx
its dumb really
covert birch
Kai, i like how any time i present issues, and you cant respond to them
You say that
sudden hinge
What’s dumb
covert birch
the fact they get "attacked"
Cuz i present issues to their suggestion
sudden hinge
That he challenges your ideas and you don’t defend them with a proper counter argument
covert birch
Which they dont seem to answer
zenith onyx
i do answer
covert birch
yes and i explain how those answers are fallacys
Such as the whole use a charge to escape
sudden hinge
You counter the counter man and if it’s not a good counter than blue going to tell you that
zenith onyx
yeah it's irritating
covert birch
Like a charge attack can function
For an animal who can actually use it
not an animal wholl prolly run from most things
sudden hinge
It shouldn’t be. He’s just looking at it realistically
zenith onyx
im gonna go change my suggestion
covert birch
Why give somethign who is running, a frontal attack when its gonna wanna face away its predators
sudden hinge
On a real note tho we should figure out this ambush problem
icy lion
and/or take longer to activate
sudden hinge
Okay I think that would work fine
zenith onyx
um trike ran mostly from it's predators before it faced them in battle, battle was last resort, same for most of hte ohter herb dinos in the game. they run before they fight
icy lion
the issue is that people can crouch and get ambush back up before their chaser gets them
which is dumb
covert birch
kai, im talking ingame
icy lion
trike is made to fight back, magy isnt
sudden hinge
Magy be runnin
covert birch
Also trike faced the pred and backed away
zenith onyx
i was talking in game too
zenith onyx
didn't say it was MADE to run. it just runs away to AVOID fights
covert birch
Any animal is made to avoid fights
Trike does by pointing its head
to the enemy
magy does it by gtfo
and CC attacks
zenith onyx
and that's what the charge could be used for. to gtfo
covert birch
Why add a whole new attack for magy, which wont be used for attacking
zenith onyx
it can be used to stun, then run
covert birch
Which CC can do too
zenith onyx
or cripple like i said
covert birch
Kai think about it like this
Why would a magy stop and fight lets say a ceratos chasing it, when it can keep running and when the cerato catches up, it can just side check and knock it over and keep running"
Youll gain 100x more distance in that manner
Its illogical putting yourself in a situation where you actually use this charge in combat when you can do a much more effective method
Which might also cripple depending on how the system works
zenith onyx
okay, the cripple or charge could be used in both fashions. 1: stunt he enemy and keep running, or 2: use the charge to get extra ground without entering combat at all
covert birch
Ok so,
my main issue is 2
zenith onyx
it would have cooldown and a timer aswell like sprint for carni's
covert birch
1 i can see functioning in cases where its cornered
But idk why an attack should really give an animal more distance
Like personally i feel like a charge would be the same exact speed as your run, but you deal a damaging attack combined with some effect from trample
at least for magy specifically
Hard cooldowns are bad idea in this game
zenith onyx
it wouldn't be exactly the same cooldown we have now, it would be different. and Dondi has said that stam determines how you win, if the pred can't even catch U, you win.
covert birch
yes the pred cant catch you is a win
But again, i personally dont like things such as attacks or ambushes used for movement
zenith onyx
you personally
covert birch
Nor do i think charges, specifically for magy and a few other animals should change speed
but should do amplified damage
zenith onyx
it does for utah, cerato and dilo, htey become faster when they use sprint
same for rex lol
covert birch
Different animals different mechanics applied
those arent charges those are ambushes, which again shouldnt be used for travel
zenith onyx
ah so charge would be a new mechanic then for a herb. and htey are used all the time. others like to go fast, you slow i guess
covert birch
It can be very variable
Ceratopsids get a charge that does something different to lets say a pachy
zenith onyx
for magy it would be a charge, allowing it to escape, scrap the idea that it does dmge
covert birch
Not an attack whatsoever, just a speed boost that is triggered from what
Player control
zenith onyx
yes
covert birch
So now'
zenith onyx
but it would take time to charge up and use, not all the time, jsut when your being chased by a predator
covert birch
magy as an animal is difficult to animate at quick speeds without looking ridiculous
Bryan described it, how much of a speed boost is this
Also if its only when being chased by a pred
How does the game know thats happening
Like a predator being around =/= speed boost
zenith onyx
it's really easy to program
covert birch
Enlighten me
zenith onyx
no, like visual contact, once spotted the player can choose to run normaly if it's not too big of a danger, but if it's alot bigger hten it, it can use the speed boost to cover a short bit of ground faster.
covert birch
So now heres the issue
A carni may be on a herbis screen
But the player didnt see it
zenith onyx
ah then he wouldn't know then he'd get caugth simple,
strange wave
what if the magy player decides, fuck it this troodon gonna die today and charges the fucker down
covert birch
That too
But basically kai a player can every so often press this button to see if they have a speed boost active
And if it triggers that means there is a carni on their screen that they didnt personally see and theyll gtfo
And the whole rush down things using this speed boost
Thats the issue right there
junior crow
Hey how do you guys like my idea?
covert birch
Hey how do you guys like my idea?
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/423939730544132096/712452257601552425
junior crow
not a whole lot I guess lol
covert birch
Just like one statement
Mostly been conversing with kai here on their suggestion rooted off yours
For a charge magy
so far it went from a charge, to a charge not used for combat, to just a speed boost when carni is on screen
strange wave
magy is a dragonborn
junior crow
I was also going to suggest para have something similar to my idea but on a more powerful scale
zenith onyx
okay, it can only be used if the predator is the around the same size as the magy, and remember this, there will new things coming in like nutrition and stuff, so they won't be looking for that speed boost unless they actually see a carnivore, and to prevent players from useing this ability to go beserk on player not their own size, the game would calculate the size of the carnivore and prevent the player from using the ability for they had no need for it.
covert birch
so
icy lion
that just sounds like an overcomplicated ambush to me
covert birch
what if they are running from a pack of smalls
Cant use speed boost cuz they are small
but your fucked
junior crow
so the whole concuss ability should go to para blue?
covert birch
I dont think any animal needs a concuss ability of that manner
junior crow
why?
zenith onyx
if they're as small as i htink your saying you should be able to outrun them without the charge, and if they do catch you, they might jsut ger trampled form your weight
covert birch
Unessecary imo
I do like the idea of para using its horn tho to interact with things
if they're as small as i htink your saying you should be able to outrun them without the charge, and if they do catch you, they might jsut ger trampled form your weight
magy will prolly not outrun troodons
strange wave
if they're as small as i htink your saying you should be able to outrun them without the charge, and if they do catch you, they might jsut ger trampled form your weight
@zenith onyx utah
zenith onyx
sorry about my typing
covert birch
Utah exists too
junior crow
I think the concuss ability isn't as bad as one may think. 15 meter radius isn't all that big, as a matter of fact its pretty close to the Magy
zenith onyx
just run, and you said that magy is a very light weight compared to utah, so it will get the speed boost, because it's smaller in WEIGHT
compared to the tenonto
icy lion
utah is smaller
covert birch
Magy is light weight compared to teno
Not utah
Big big difference
Tenonto: 2000 kg
Magy: 1200 kg
Utah 700kg
junior crow
cause if you can't run away from the big things or attack them, giving you something that can stun them then be able to run away
icy lion
utah is 700kg magy is 1200? or 1000
junior crow
that was my reasoning
icy lion
magys getting a shoulder check
zenith onyx
and it will have the shove abilitly so if a utah gets close enough it gets shoved.
covert birch
yes true
zenith onyx
so after shoving one or two down it can run to safety
covert birch
But i dont think making an overcomplicated system for a speed boost which can still be easily abuseable against stuff its own size is nessecary
strange wave
so this entire convo has been that its not really needed for a magy ambush style ability
covert birch
Also pyro about the whole concuss thing
zenith onyx
yes.
icy lion
magys already getting a cc and decent speed, it doesnt need an overcomplicated ability to get another cc and more speed
strange wave
and kai a bit of feedback
zenith onyx
alteast form @covert birch side, i want the charge/speed boost
covert birch
I just personally never liked the idea of it being used as a weapon, i dont think it fits to well
especially if its not visible otuside of a noise and lil anim
strange wave
maybe if you can try to format your suggestions more, it can get hard to read a wall of text
zenith onyx
everything in the isle is visual
icy lion
?
junior crow
bork u talking to me?
covert birch
Kai the thing im referring to is the sound attacks pyro is talking about
strange wave
nope kai
covert birch
I personally dont like "invisible" ranged attacks
icy lion
ah the para thing
strange wave
shift + enter will skip a line, i just found this out recently but i still use google docs for easier formating
icy lion
formatting is hard on discord
covert birch
Imo a unique way to have paras unique "horn crest" be made in game is as a form of communication with players
Allow it specifically to have a species only global chat, or an extremely long ranged local chat
Where any time it types in it it 1 calls
or maybe hadros who were known for "horn crests" can communicate with eachother in local
Things of that manner
Not as an attack tho
junior crow
still the thing about the magy call is if an allo is close and sees the magy do the animation to start up it is fast enough to get far enough to avoid the ability and make the magy waste its concuss
even in the start up animation an ambushed utah allo or anything can run in their an chompdown on the magy
also just cause you are concussed doesn't mean you can't attack
zenith onyx
it's just very hard to attack without being able to completely see, i gotcha
covert birch
i mean, i feel like if its like that then its kinda useless
Cuz like why would you risk that
junior crow
well if I made it any stronger it would be op
covert birch
When you can just shove and knock over stuff while running
junior crow
there is no way in hell you are going to be able to shove an allo off your ass tho
so the concuss is to give the magy a running chance
icy lion
id rather be stunned by something clobbering me than some island dwarf yelling
and magys already getting a cc
zenith onyx
shove an allo OFF your ass you mean
covert birch
I can see it shoving an allo over
Generally quadrapedal animals are much more balanced than bipeds
zenith onyx
not up
strange wave
@zenith onyx did you see what i said about formatting of your suggestions
junior crow
lol yeah
zenith onyx
yes
covert birch
Like yes the allo wouldnt be to hurt from it
But it would be knocked over for a bit
Then just make magy be extremely stam filled so it can do this over multiple times
While outmenuvring the allo in brush n such at the same time
Much more reliable imo then
Imma risk an allo dodging my scream and put myslef into a weaker state for a sec
junior crow
fair enough
zenith onyx
that statement can be said too about teh trikes stomp, or the camara's.
junior crow
I just can't see something that weighs 1200lbs shove an animal that 3000lbs
zenith onyx
one stomp leads to hitting one rex, while the second comes in and attacks not getting hurt. same
and they are ranged to some degree
trikes stomp can hit anyhting behind almost, same for camara'
icy lion
magy is 1200kg, not lbs
covert birch
1200 kg vs 2800 kg
Either way, i can see it but its gonna be difficult
But normally quadrapeds are much more balanced then a biped
Which is why its somewhat possible
icy lion
knocking it over would be tough but winding it/making it stumble would definitely be in the realm of possibility
junior crow
alright i see where you guys are coming from
covert birch
Plus allo shouldnt really have too much stam with the whole mad speed buff its got
zenith onyx
and it would be sound baised too, so weight wouldn't factor into teh attack
junior crow
thanks for the feedback
covert birch
THis is less to do with the suggestions and more magy in general
But what if it had a tail whip similar to that of some monitors
A tail whip to the head would concuss something
zenith onyx
that coud work, but would mean it would only work on a few dinos due to size
covert birch
max on like allo/alberto
zenith onyx
so a cerato or utah any POSSIBLY anything smaller could be hit by it.
covert birch
what
Monitor tail whips are insane
concuss shit quite larger than it
So even an allo would be concussed
zenith onyx
and it woudl jsut daze a apex then
zenith onyx
im not quite understanding
covert birch
The concuss would only work on stuff from alberto sized and down
Btw alberto is practically the same size as allo
zenith onyx
that's what i said, anythign that was was close to the level of it's tail would only be hit by it. and dondi has said taht it wouldN'T have a wip for a tail.
covert birch
When did he say no whip tail
junior crow
whip tail and shoulder check actually are a way better idea than the whole concussive sound wave idea . Sorry about that lmao
zenith onyx
he said it in his latest stream
zenith onyx
I think it's a great idea @unique hatch!
drifting radish
Where do I post about someone speed hacking?
honest sparrow
talk to an admin
drifting radish
Ahh okay thank you
unique hatch
Thank you 
@zenith onyx
zenith onyx
yw
strange wave
tapejara was an omnivorous pterosaur, and also was very very very small
honest sparrow
tupandactlyus fits much better
strange wave
tupandactylus would be a better choice for an omnivorous pterosaur with a beautiful crest @zenith onyx
and the formatting makes it much more readable, overall i enjoy the suggestion
sudden hinge
@hasty jungle don’t really think the #general-feedback thread is for a rant buddy
lunar prism
@hasty wagon oh right forget, srry
hasty wagon
@lunar prism np. I think removing stages makes it look more "natural".
lunar prism
mhm
left nacelle
@marble flame The ability for herbis to pick up leaves would kinda negate their migrations that they'll have in the recode. Instead of needing to migrate to new food sources, they can just carry the food with them. Also I think one of the devs said no to that, I could be wrong tho
zenith onyx
But for how long @left nacelle? what if it's like a carni gore and the bush no longer becomes eatable because it dries up or something alonge those lines. And maybe, to make it special, only a few herbs would be able to actually rip up bushes. Trike, magy, strycosaurus, maybe even Para. It would be a unique ability that only the bigger dinos could do. (not talking about weight here)
@hasty wagon please don't type random messages in the suggestions chat. that chat is for posting ideas on how people think the isle could be changed or added to.
frosty igloo
@hasty wagon Your "suggestion dosen't give much to the dev's meaning its just clogging up the chat and possibly causing a good suggestion to me missed.
hasty wagon
Ok, I understand. I Somebody already reminded me that I shouldn't write there like in chat room. So sorry and don't worry.
left nacelle
@zenith onyx I don't really think that music fits in with The Isle. I think a a little music que would be nice, but I think it would better if it was something the devs made
zenith onyx
they have music in the isle already, this would be easy to add, and who said it would have to be dev made?
left nacelle
I never said I didn't want music, I just don't think the perticular song is a good fit
zenith onyx
did you even listen to it?
left nacelle
Yes
zenith onyx
how? i just posted it. like five secs ago
left nacelle
I didn't listen to the entire 10 minute video, cause you said not the whole song. I listen to about 10 seconds of it or so (I did skip ahead in the video to the point where the music was actually playing)
zenith onyx
okay? why do you disagree that this "perticular" song isn't a good fit?
left nacelle
It sounds nothing like The Isle's current music. At all
zenith onyx
ah but that might change, currently, it's actaully pretty close if you pay attention to it
it's the same type of music too
left nacelle
The music is changing, but the overall feel of the music is staying the same. The music sounds just a bit too upbeat sounding. It would just sound out of place. Plus, again, I think the devs would prefer to have their own music in the game. Considering one of the devs gets paid to make music
zenith onyx
yeah, i know, it supossed to out of beat for a moment, because you'v unlocked a perk or have become a elder/hypo
makes you feel good about yourself for surviving for so long
But that doesn't mean it jsut has to be this song, it could be others
left nacelle
Yeah, and I agree that there should be some sort of sound effect/music that plays when you get to elder or something. But this particular song sounds really out of place and would kinda break the immersion imo
@vestal hound There will be toxic plants. That's one of the reasons the puking system exists
zenith onyx
i could understand why it might break it, that's why it would be edited. changed even?
left nacelle
Or.. a new song could be made especially for reaching elder. It would probably just be a sound effect tho, probably not a full on song
zenith onyx
not a full song, maybe just apart of it, or it could be this song but maybe tuned down a bit. simple idea, nothing too fancy.
vestal hound
@left nacelle sorry I only knew about rotting corpses! will delete that suggestion then
zenith onyx
don't delete it
it's still a good thing to keep out there for people who don't know anything about the isle
vivid rampart
Personally I don’t even think a song or sound effect is needed at all when one hits the Elder stage. It should be something that the player knows happened without needing to be “notified” of it. The Isle is setup to play as an immersive survival game, and having little bells and whistles to let you know when you have “leveled up” takes away from that. My personal opinion of course.
strange wave
@zenith onyx elder status wont just be live for X amount of time, you will have to complete certain tasks to become an elder to get the spike in power, and if you die before you go to sleep you get nothing
zenith onyx
ik. what i mean is that when you do become a elder, they've stated that you will be stronger then the average adult. so better bite force, more bleed resistence and more stam.
@strange wave
strange wave
ok, im pretty sure thats all happening already
zenith onyx
that's what i was saying, just in case if it doesn't. just wanted that chip off my shoulder. idk why i even had a chip lol'
neat beacon
@gaunt fable
gaunt fable
Ohh right it's already gonna be there lovely thanks
pure eagle
zenith onyx
lol.
neat beacon
@gaunt fable it's used to say it's already coming
strange wave
@gaunt fable chat here
zenith onyx
yeah what @neat beacon said. It's means that idea is being worked on and that it will come to the isle in or after the recode.
honest sparrow
gamer moment
cobalt compass
@gaunt fable the ⏲️ stands for already confirmed suggestions
some uses of common emotes in #general-feedback:
⏲️ feature already confirmed
👍 common approval from community
👎 common disapproval
funny yet needs an extra emote such as 👍 or 👎
was suggested serval times before and still isnt appealing to community or is annoying
worth to consider
pallid trail
what about this one?
past berry
@gentle condor afk growing will be a few times slower, i belive devs said that
gentle condor
Ok thanks
past berry
np
left nacelle
@pallid trail Filipe already said that won't happen
icy lion
i thiiiink there was brief mention of possible visual changes for hungry dinos but im not certain if anything was confirmed or denied. a system where prolonged malnutrition actually affected your stats would be kinda cool though, not sure how exactly to implement it but im not a coder
cobalt compass
@pallid trail extended your thoughts
pallid trail
Oh oki thanks
@loud vine that’s an awesome idea it would also be cool to see your feathers being ripped off during hunting
loud vine
I'll be honest, I didn't expect that many people to like the idea. Lol
rain knoll
Is it purposeful that the sound dropoff for footsteps is pretty intense?
I'll hear nothing and then all the sudden loud rex stomps
covert birch
@pallid trail dondi mentioned the idea of eating dinos alive in the QNA stream,
Saying that the dino who is being eaten will still be doing animations n such
But the player controlling them is back at the select screen
@loud vine Filipe confirmed preening n such for feathered animals
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/689654726593216512
and iirc did a when someone mentioned being able to preen others
loud vine
Good to know @covert birch
frosty igloo
@jade schooner really interesting idea but the whole slow food drain can be used to AFK grow meaning that the chances of you starving are even smaller because now not only can you do other things while your Dino grows your only real concern is predators
jade schooner
But then comes the growth thing the devs have always been hinting about
They supposedly have a way to avoid afk growth
frosty igloo
I’m just saying that until there is a system against AFK growing the suggestion you made won’t come into place
But it’s a really cool on e
jade schooner
Good point
frosty igloo
*one
jade schooner
Thanks ^^
frosty igloo
👌
zenith onyx
what does styxo mean @strange wave? im not udnerstanding the reaction
you placed on my suggestion
strange wave
its another long neck plesiosaur, which has a lot more credence to be in the game because its on Bryans aquatic list
zenith onyx
can you show me this list? i'd like to see it.
strange wave
i have tried to incorporate most of them into my aquatic suggestion doc, but have had to cut a few due to them being clones of other ones
paper oriole
Can reptiles/birds get vitiligo? I thought that was only in mammals
Rare nest skins like melanistic, leucistic and piebald patterns would be cool though, and vitiligo as a very rare one maybe
safe galleon
@errant jungle being forced to sleep would be horrible
honest sparrow
^
paper oriole
Being forced to spend half your time on asleep, inactive and vulnerable sounds boring and frustrating as hell
cobalt compass
maybe some aquatic dino like mosa were able to gave livebirth
errant jungle
not half I mean that animals need to rest
its like you can sleep and boost the growing a bit
or soomething like that
paper oriole
Sleep should not boost growth, moving around and being a functional part of the server's ecosystem should boost growth
random imp
lol if sleeping 'd boost grow it 'd be no different from afk growing
cobalt compass
aye and if you're needing less nutrients while asleep, only ai carnis will stop hibernate growing apexes from popping like mushrooms
kissens idea was that when you go to sleep, you'd enter some kind of sandbox gameplay to imagine dreaming
pale sorrel
@errant jungle If they did that, you'd almost certainly get eaten while you're asleep. Unless your dinosaur would disappear while it's asleep. Also, it wouldn't really work because you would have to watch in real-time while your dinosaur just lies there and sleeps for half the game, because it'd be on online servers where other dinosaurs aren't asleep and do stuff.
random imp
yhea, Kissen suggested a sandbox mode where you can train your skills, or roam around, having the "real" world sounds lowered down, so if you hear 4 screaming you'll still have the chance to wake up and escape
harsh silo
@vapid pond there will be wet seasons and dry seasons, in which rivers, ponds and lakes will have a lot of water, or be almost dry
Also i think you'll need a name thats easier to ping cuz rules, im not sure tho!
indigo sun
@pale sorrel They got rid of it for a reason and it's unlikely they'll ever bring it back. Macs are not gaming computers, and support for mac in video games is starting to dwindle
pale sorrel
Ah... do you know what the reason for that was?
indigo sun
because it takes a good amount of manpower to make a game work on macs and also because theyre generally shit for gaming. theyre not built for these kinds of games
pale sorrel
Ah... well, thanks! 👍
zenith onyx
@neon moss it would be bad if your hiding and you dino sneezes, giving your postion completely away.
safe galleon
I think it'd be kinda cute, gives more character
safe galleon
perhaps the sneeze wouldn't be so loud and mostly just visual
just maybe no snot...
neon moss
Or to be normal sounded sneezes that aren't loud as roars or chatting lol
neon moss
or just air sound when they sneeze, like horses
zenith onyx
but that would give your location away though, they'd hear that and know where you were if your being hunted, many allo players dread it if their allo yawns while being hunted.
safe galleon
@opal shoal you can already change your colours
opal shoal
I mean when evirma comes out
opal shoal
and I think that will be awesome to have character customization even if many of the people prefer not using it I love the fact that we can make the dinos our own characters because it allows me to make a story with them in fact I do want to make a story with the tenonto when we get it
harsh silo
Darkman's idea is nice, but it can give positions away etc so 
sleek ingot
So I watched the stream but if anyone can explain it better, how will grazing work? Will you only be able to do it when lower than 10 percent hunger or can you graze any time, but it won't give you food unless you are below 10 percent hunger?
covert birch
2nd option it seems
You can graze at all times, but it only helps you under 10% food
harsh silo
It'll be a small sustenance i guess, they don't want u to just graze, it'll work as a way of sustenance while migrations
left nacelle
iirc, Grazing is when you need food badly but have no other options
Not very nutritious, but it keeps you alive
mighty girder
Hypers are not and should not ever be admin dinos used to carry out punishment for rulebreaks. That'd make them common, not unique and not anywhere near as terrifying as they should be
vestal hound
I know this is kinda late but that suggestion about less nutrition higher up the foodchain. Doesn't that discourage everyone to eat apexes? Feels like it could make it easier for apexes to stay alive.
near halo
the suggestion is not meaned to punish rulebreaks when there are other and better methos to punish them with kicks and bans from these servers. The point of the suggestion is to make a cleaning of servers where 1 race is to dominant what disturbs the balance of the game and ruins fun when your not joining the side that is dominant. its a force to play the game like that which is how it shouldn´t be. Admins beeing able to play hypos also gives the option for new players to see them live and not just on videos, since these are still dinosaurs and really cool ones too which shouldn´t be limited to only devs because devs might have other things to do so they cant "show" them on servers to newer players.
indigo sun
They can wipe their servers, hypers should be rare, not something any old admin can show off
covert birch
^
Like most of the things of
1 race is overpopulated or dominant
is gonna have systems trying to stop
indigo sun
if admins got access to hypers people would just spam them in servers
covert birch
inb4 buyable hypos
vestal rune
oh fuck, buyable hypers is the worst thing ever
ye never let admins just spawn as one, that would suck
indigo sun
seeing a hyper should be something special
vestal rune
plus they're meant to be temporary, an admin who spawns as one would just keep healing themselves so they never die
indigo sun
hypers would mean fuckall to me if the admins could become them. Instead it's something that gets me all excited and i try to join a server and try to get to one
random imp
he is prob an admin of some forsaken server who wants to play as hypo cuz Is CoOl and flex those admin codes.
paper oriole
if they added even half of that chart of gators it is tens of thousands of dollars of investment, you need to give specifics on which animals you want added and what role they would play in the game's ecosystem to make adding them worth it
hallow moat
I didn't mean all of them...
indigo sun
i cant see what like, half of those would do that wouldnt just be deino but its smaller and gets fucked over by actual deino. i'd love more crocodilians but theyre not a very diverse group of animals
hallow moat
I ment just pick one and go with it and if they don't want to spend thousands of pounds on my dumb idea we'll it was just a suggestion.
And there where herbivorous crocs as well as land baced crocs
left nacelle
@fickle pulsar The devs have said in the past that the game likely won't come to console. If it does, it won't be for a really long time probably. Moving a game to console is a lot of work. And it isn't really worth the effort
You need to optimize the game for the new hardware, make sure your game falls in line with the company's guidelines, etc
Not to mention the cost
spice silo
And they have to be sure they'd even have a community there. Theres no point of porting a game and spending money to port said game, if it's just going it's worth. undersell, and overall cost them more money than worth.
Not to mention, updates would be harder because youd have to make sure they work on more platforms than usual, so updates would take longer.
left nacelle
And then you have the problem of PC players having an advantage over console players
And then that just splits the community
icy lion
@pallid trail chat here also ?
@hushed island supposedly there will also be a play fight/dominance "stance" where you deal reduced damage. emotes are just emotes
spice silo
@left nacelle For once, I actually dont think PC would have that much of a advantage. Maybe with 360s when someones nibbling on you, but not that much. Lol
pallid trail
I know its never going to happen but I thought small mutations would be cool not like an extra leg lmao I ment like it wouldn't hurt you or really effect gameplay but just for show
left nacelle
I think it would mainly be camera precision that would case the advantage @spice silo
Especially considering the new combat will be a lot more skill based and refined
spice silo
True true lol
A way to combat that would be to disable cross platform, but then the servers would more than likely be empty. Because of the whole you need a community thing. Overall it just wouldnt work as it is right now on console
left nacelle
And disabling cross platform would split the community
And the console side of the community probably wouldn't have too many players
fickle pulsar
@left nacelle its fine i know am pushing boundaries but hey still can dream about it
left nacelle
I think you're better off saving up for a pc. I bought a new pc mainly for The Isle and it runs beautifully
spice silo
Me too, I mean I bought a laptop, but it's worth the saving.
left nacelle
Yeah mine's a laptop too
fickle pulsar
Trying to but i have no income right now
spice silo
What do you have?
fickle pulsar
@spice silo me?
spice silo
I meant Blue, but Eldr if you're looking for a cheap PC, You can get ones that run it quite smoothly for like 700
My laptop is still in the mail, but I have the same one as a friend, and they say it runs smoothly.
spice silo
That ones also like 1,000 dollars lol
fickle pulsar
I'll get some type of pc one day but for now I'll just have to keep playing Ark
left nacelle
Yeahhh lol
indigo sun
shit thats cheaper than the shit i was lookin at, you said 60 fps? goddamn
left nacelle
Yeah. 60 fps on max settings. I get like 40 on Thenyaw tho lmao. But EVRIMA will run better so it doesn't really matter
spice silo
Did you add anything to your laptop? Or is it still stock lol
indigo sun
im gonna open up fuckin oil painting commissions or some shit try and get that computer
left nacelle
I just bought it straight from Amazon. I'm not super educated on computers and stuff lol @spice silo
spice silo
Neither am I.. :)
left nacelle
It also runs almost every game I've played at 60fps. Just Cause 3, The Isle, Minecraft, Black Desert, Sea of Thieves
spice silo
I honestly dont know a device that runs Minecraft at a low fps
left nacelle
Minecraft Java Edition can be pretty taxing on computers. My $500 one only ran it at like 20fps
spice silo
Last time I played Java I was like 12, so I dont remember what mine ran it at. But it was like a Windows Visa, so probably garbage lmfao
left nacelle
lmao
The bedrock edition tho (The one made for Windows 10, tablet, and Xbox) runs 100x better
pale sorrel
@amber vector Perhaps, but it wouldn't really work because the EVRIMA branch of The Isle will just become public then. It's not like it's an update that everyone has to do if they want to continue playing The Isle. The devs have stated that the game, as it is now, the "legacy branch" will still be playable when EVRIMA releases. So it would be a bit odd, if loads of Type-Hs just obliterated everyone, but then you would still be able to continue playing with another dinosaur afterwards. Or, the players could, if they wanted to, just not log on during the Type-H rampage and wait until it's over, and then continue playing with their previous dinosaur. Hmm... maybe. Actually seeing the hyperendocrins in-game would be nice and interesting.
left nacelle
but this is turning into #401510382981742593
spice silo
Yeah, I was abt to say that.
left nacelle
The only problem I've found with the laptop tho is that it can get pretty hot playing games. I've had 6-7 hour long play sessions recently, and it hasn't overheated, but it starts to feel really hot
spice silo
I cant even imagine a server with like 3 Hypos just running around murdering everything
daring bramble
@left nacelle I think all laptops have that overheating problem when playing big games for a long time, mind does that actually too when I play one of my large games for a bit too long, then again, i also have chrome and spotify open so that might also feed into the problem lol
left nacelle
Nah, mine does it the whole time I'm playing the game. It never overheats, but it stays hot from when I first start up the game to when I close it
daring bramble
Ahh, mine is cold but then once I open up one of my large games that I play regularly it starts getting hot and then it'll start overheating if I stay on for too long which starts lagging up the game so then I have to get off my laptop and let it cool down
left nacelle
Maybe mine just has coolers that are decent enough to keep it at a good temperature 🤷
But this is getting into #401470471750811669
daring bramble
oof mine does too but I always forget to turn them on xD and yea oops
hushed island
@icy lion I'm just going off of what was said in the most recent stream maybe dondi made a mistake
but thank you ;)
amber vector
@pale sorrel True, I forgot about the legacy branch thing XD but yea maybe just do it as an event. A transition almost.
strange wave
that newest suggestion is almost as good as giga shark
pallid trail
Is the isle going to run better after the recode?
paper oriole
Changyuraptor is like 8lb and diabloceratops weighs over a ton idk if theyd be hunting diablos lol maybe juveniles. Golden eagles (a conparable animal) may hunt things bigger than themselves but not in the mid hundreds or thousands of pounds range lol
Changyu or zhen would be cool to have tho
indigo sun
@pallid trail yes
covert birch
Changyuraptor is great
But hunting diablos is a bit maddening
paper oriole
Zhenyuanlong weighs about 40 pounds though, and 2 or so feet longer
According to a google search at least lol
covert birch
Turns our zhen had arms too tiny for gliding, even tho it had massive wings
paper oriole
Thats like a human getting swarmed by finches lol
barren zephyr
its a scifi game tho, it can be a variant, dont crush my dreams😭
barren zephyr
i agree
indigo sun
Even future downsized diablo isnt getting taken down by what is essentially just like, chickadees to it
covert birch
^
barren zephyr
tbh i dont know isle dino sizes
covert birch
Its like saying compys should be able to take down a ava
Thats how large the difference is
indigo sun
Diablo is like.. what a bit taller than a human maybe? I gotta check dont quote me on that yet
covert birch
Chang is about the same size as velo
paper oriole
Gliders should hunt juvies, steal eggs, eat bugs, and hunt other smalls.
covert birch
paper oriole
Diablo also weighs almost 2 tons i think
covert birch
Diablo is the pink all the way on the right
indigo sun
K yeag like about the height of a human, slightly larger
paper oriole
Would be like throwing a basket ball at a diablo if a chang tried to pounce it lol
Would just piss it off
strange wave
is anyone gonna frame the dilosuchus rex suggestion?
indigo sun
Larger creatures would be better suited to it. I mean even thougg zhen had arms that were apparently too short how big do they gotta be to glide could we make them a bit longer like how we extended tenonto's tail?
covert birch
Heres a better image @barren zephyr
the velo is the light red on the bottom left which is about changyuraptor height
The diablo is all the way on the right
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/401464048610312195/711787766450487367/SmallsTiny.png?width=1441&height=298
Changyu is practically velo sized but lighter
covert birch
Dibble is even larger currently
barren zephyr
i gotta edit the message
indigo sun
Blue how much bigger do the armsbgg otta be on zhen
covert birch
Black is current dibble
Pink is Max irl which is confirmed
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/706176611157803159/For_jaffad_2.png
Heres the skeletal on zhen
He was more of a roadrunner
indigo sun
Could we potentially make ema bit longer like how tenontos tail got made longer than it actually is? Though little roadrunner dude would be fun
covert birch
Lil roadrunner dude is just carni juvi galli
Now if we combine that with longer armed zhen, who can climb trees n glide too
We get carni juvi galli who almost flies
Changyuraptor imo is a cooler option for glider tho since its still not miniscule
And has 4 wings
barren zephyr
right ^^
indigo sun
oh yeah changyu
covert birch
but either way 🤷♂️
Both can work as gliders
barren zephyr
maybe changyu can eat ai micro
covert birch
ehh
barren zephyr
and micro is just there for glider food
covert birch
I never liked the idea of easy ai to eat
covert birch
^
And eggs/compys/hatchlings playerwise
barren zephyr
sounds good
paper oriole
If they cant hunt they can hope to eat bugs or follow larger preds through the trees and steal their kills
If they can find anybody on the new map lol
covert birch
Maybe similar to what dondi showed on stream give em super scent
So they can find food easier
barren zephyr
ik thats why i wanted them to hunt tiny dinos to be vulnerable so it can be feasible
daring sierra
@sturdy kayak thats a suggestion
sturdy kayak
@daring sierra Thanks
frank notch
@lone kite Mabie adult carnivores could break break through the soil to the tunnel.
lone kite
ye thats would be scary for dryos to run thro id be do i stay here and mabey get camped or do i make a break for it in the tunnle
frank notch
yeah^^
rugged condor
with the rex thing im kidna in beetween cause when you run out of stam you jump off and it whould mean a utha whould have to really pay attention but hey it means that dockthas will die out
past berry
@hallow moat i belive that sarcosuchus was not so smal compared to deinosuchus
timid steeple
@past berry It wasn’t, it was just adapted for catching fish
There was not a lot of differences other then it being focused on fish
valid zephyr
@potent sparrow I suggested that for hypsis spit. Poisonous spit which is aimed at a carnis head and makes them not able to see for a short period of time.
when it clears the hypsi has long gone
potent sparrow
Oo
daring sierra
@ebon drift im pretty shore thats a suggestion
ebon drift
It's providing feedback on animations.
daring sierra
But your suggesting they should do that
ebon drift
If it were like "They should jump out of the water" then I think that'd be a suggestion, but saying "Hey, looking at the animations they feel a little incomplete, maybe here is how that can be fixed" is feedback.
Everything in feedback is a suggestion then lmao.
If it's a suggestion then they're more than free to move it, otherwise don't @ me again for something so unnecessary, thanks.
daring sierra
Oh, i was just making shore because another person made a suggestion there, i guess i misunderstood
And by the way was saying that to you so you dont get in trouble
So don't get mad at me
ebon drift
My 'feedback' is just about as common as the rest of the stuff in that channel Just scroll up a bit and you'll see someone making feedback about Magy's animations.
The suggestions pinned says "Post suggestions for things you'd like to see in the game or discord here." Which I assume to be new mechanics, dinosaurs or environmental suggestions.
ebon drift
:/
daring sierra
Anyways it was nice meeting you
paper oriole
Running and trotting a ton as a juvie to gain better stam or speed as an adult could work if it was made so a juvie couldnt just run in vircles ir back and forth repeatedly to gain that perk
Like extensively traversing the map at that vulnerable stage should be rewarded
covert birch
@barren zephyr devs have said carrying babies wont be in the game due to both programming issues (deino carrying kids n such on its back for example) and gameplay issues such as people using this to troll people who are growing
Also you mentioned yuta in your baby carrying suggestion. Idk if your referring to yutyrannus but if you are that isnt coming to the game
indigo sun
I think kuri meant utah
covert birch
That makes more sense
barren zephyr
yeah sorry, play too much ark where there just ratppers and my brain think's 'utah' 'yuti' 😛
brain think's one thing, hands are use to typing another
But yes anyway, couldn't they limit it to only being able to cary your own kind? We already get trolled accepting eggs. I've had a few where I've hatched and the nest was in a weird spot or in a hole. Thats just part of the game. trolls will be trolls. Being picked up and carried around welp. trolls will be trolls. could have it where you can only be set down on solid ground, you tyhey cant like yeet you over a ledge. though they already do that with some nesting placements.
covert birch
Even if its your own kind that can lead to trolling issues
Plus imo its uneeded, especially with collision n such already gonna be a great method to defend your kids and transport em
vestal rune
wasn't the main reason they don't want it was because baby carrying makes nesting a bit too easy?
covert birch
Not sure on the nesting one but it does make migration easier i guess
vestal rune
well by nesting I meant just caring for babies
like if a smaller dinosaur wants to eat your baby you can just pick it up
and boom, fun ruined for the smaller dinosaur
covert birch
Yea rip herras n shit trying to get a meal
50 player server, didnt see anything but full adult ai n shit
You finally meat a group with a nest going
And rip they picked kids up so ya starve
azure dust
Regarding to the egg scent increase suggestion, don't eggs lack a smell? Wouldn't it make more sense to find them through infrared/heat signatures (as long as the whole scentless egg thing is correct, I tried looking up information on it but all I found were articles about "how to tell if your eggs have gone bad")? I mean, if eggs had a smell strong enough to be picked up by oophagous dinos, it would definitely spice up nesting gameplay, but I was wondering how/if that actually works. I know that we can already "see" eggs with the scent feature right now, but I wasn't sure if that was gonna be changed or not with the update/new system. This is more of question for my own curiosity than criticism of the suggestion, does anyone have any articles on this that I could take a look at?
paper oriole
Eggs currently already have scent
Its just flat on the egg, itd probably be changed
last heath
@amber horizon why tho?
paper oriole
Hes probably sick of herbis getting away when he fails ambushes so he wants to handicap them lol
last heath
I dont even know if it's supposed to be a handicap. Not enough info
icy lion
i think its the opposite of what bufftrike said, they want an ingame indicator of a predator so they dont get jumped
paper oriole
If its only when the predator comes into view it would probably be a handicap to get sick every time a dino pops out of the forest
Getting sick will fuck with your food, water and stam
last heath
probably, but again, why? it legit doesnt add anything, at all
paper oriole
Yeah it would just be annoying
last heath
i need a more in indepth explanation
like, herbis just fucking vomit as soon as they see a carnivore? any size or is there a limit? information dammit, I need it
paper oriole
Makes me think of if you startle a full snake they'll puke up their food, if thats the kind of thing theyre suggesting
last heath
snakes do that cuz otherwise they cant move properly. puking some leaves aint gonna change shit
last heath
i just reread it and is says ''when a dinosaur suddenly comes into view''
any dino?
a fucking baby para counts?
I yearn for more info, dammit
paper oriole
God imagine youre eating a bush with your friends and the rest of the herd emerges from the woods and you all just puke thatd be awful annoying
last heath
quite awkward too.
''Hey Ron how you d-''
''BLRUUURGH''
''... You ok man?''
paper oriole
Then a pack of troodons is drawn by the sound of 5 hypsis puking in unison and annihilate the whole flock lol no thanks
last heath
like, hey, I'm gonna reserve judgment until the person explains it further, maybe they have a good idea and just didnt word it right
left nacelle
I don't even understand how the game would register a predator "coming into sight"
paper oriole
Id love to see that twisted into a good suggestion lol
left nacelle
Their suggestion actually partially inspired the suggestion I posted
last heath
like maybe a ''panic'' thing? increased acceleration but increases food and water decay? smoke eat grass to calm down?
left nacelle
smoke
left nacelle
I feel like something like that could be abused
If someone's near food but also near predators, they could use that to do hit and runs or something idk
last heath
well, they would still have the same top speed, acceleration only helps if the thing chasing you either is slower or has shit stamina
left nacelle
True. But I also think a panic mechanic would be unnecessary. Just let the player themself panic and boom. Panicking
last heath
yep, pretty much
drifting radish
Hey so I've had this problem where people will hide under water so my suggestion is that implement a oxygen system where if you go under water you start to lose your oxygen so people wont hide and just log off
mighty girder
Eh, you already lose stamina and hunger for getting sick, I dont think the way to resolve being sick should also punish when being sick punishes already
topaz epoch
It may or may not be a problem after the next big update. Everything is being rebuilt from the ground up, so the water physics/coding won't be the same
left nacelle
@mighty girder I was mainly thinking of it being like if someone knows the location of a rock, they wont just get sick on purpose and run to the rock because boom free food. Ya know? Plus it makes sense that a salt lick would make you thirsty
mighty girder
Hmm I get where you're coming from. But it wouldn't be free food; Remember Dondi said throwing up affects your dinosaurs stamina and ability to hold food - so if anything I feel like puking in itself is punishing enough. Just a bit weary of doubling down on punishing something
Seems like if anything it'd be better to make puking more punishing to encourage players to not attempt to loophole salt licks
left nacelle
Yeah but when you lick the salt lick, it helps stop your sickness. I assume that means it negates the puking's debuffs
mighty girder
yeah, its the way to "cure" puking. But I'd assume you only puke if you eat while completely full anyways
ignoring the rotten corpse side of things of course
left nacelle
But you can also eat rotten plants
toxic I mean lol
But I think making the salt lick dehydrating on top of the puking debuffs will really hammer home the thought that "I shouldn't have done that and getting sick is bad"
drifting radish
@topaz epoch if the game is being rebuilt from ground up will we have to purchase it again?
paper oriole
No
left nacelle
It's literally just an update, except all the code is replaced
drifting radish
Ahhh okay that's good cause the isle is my first PC game I play on console
paper oriole
Anky doesnt need a damage nerf, he's slow af and will probably be like that in his remake too. He should remain high damage and have bonebreak if he can't run away from his predators
Dinos too slow to run away should be strong enough to make their predators think twice
pallid trail
I really hope they add ai bugs for the hatchlings to chase that would be so fun!
left nacelle
@pallid trail Ya know what would be better? The ability for hatchling to nudge each other and play around. Which is happening
paper oriole
Tbh deinocheirus would make a good omnivore apex down the line
rugged condor
yes
valid zephyr
wtf that herbis being ill suggestion
herbis don't randomly puke when they see other animals.
snow meadow
Has it been confirmed if dinosaurs will be solid objects so things cant just run through you and bite you or kill whatever it is you're trying to defend? Raising babies would be so much funner if 'keep behind me' actually meant something
delicate wing
Yea, dinos will have collision and stuff so that doesn't happen
snow meadow
@small moss I like that idea a lot. It could be something like you push down Q and if something is near the water or in it you get some pulsing color in the direction that it is. And it could get stronger as you get bigger and stronger.
I really hope theres also some AI bugs and stuff to eat. Baby gators eat a lot of bugs.
small moss
Thank you, it would be amazing to have that
snow meadow
@delicate wing awesome. I always hated just having a fast dino run through me and kill all the babies
small moss
@snow meadow the sunbathing will work as a mechanic to recover stamina
But it could be used as well to the little actions you talked about
safe galleon
@barren zephyr that's not the place to ask that
barren zephyr
whats the place then
barren zephyr
ok thx
safe galleon
np
left nacelle
@high raptor Dinos will be able to drag bodies, but you won't be able to have multiple animals dragging the same body because of programming issues
high raptor
@left nacelle will there be a size limit (ex: utah cant drag rex)
random imp
of course there will be.
covert birch
When bodies get too big youll just rip chunks out
mighty girder
@plucky widget but...the water bar already does that
And its MEANT to stay in the water, hence WHY its water bar does that. Its an aquatic, semi at best. Its not meant to hunt on land
It should only ever go on land to relocate to a different body of water
left nacelle
@high raptor Well yeah, obviously. But if the animal is small enough, you won't even need to drag it. Like a Utah will need to drag a ptera, but it can just carry around a compy
left nacelle
Do you have a screenshot of that?
covert birch
left nacelle
Ooooh my bad then
@plucky widget Camping water is kinda the whole point of being a deino. Deino won't gain stam unless it rests on land tho, so it won't be in the water 24/7
barren zephyr
@severe quiver About scars I think they talked about it causing too much lag or something, which is kind of unfortunate.
pale sorrel
@worn token Sounds like a good idea in concept, but it does have its downsides. Imagine if you were just walking around the environment, and then suddenly a more dramatic/scary music would start playing. You'd turn around, see an approaching carnivore and escape into the jungle. Now, if it weren't for the music, the carnivore would've gotten its food from you, but just because the music kicked in before, you'd know "Uh oh, I'm in danger" and avoid the attack. That would break this aspect of the game (and ambushes), and apart from the AI, the carnivores wouldn't be able to eat any player dinosaurs because everyone will know that they're approaching them.
plucky widget
@worn token i agree with u about when seeing a nice view but not when seeing a predetor it has bad effects. if youre fighting agaist one music can distract you. if somrthing is stalking you and suddenly u hear creepy music u just gonna run and suddenly stalking and pointless
pale sorrel
Yeah exactly, that's what I was saying too
But The Isle kind of already has that... really nice atmospheric music for peaceful situations.
I've never heard it during a tense situation.
plucky widget
same
left nacelle
@worn token Music will kick in at specific times in the future. For example this music is the baby dinosaur theme I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong, but I think this will play when you've hatched from a nest or something, contrary to the name of the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_0FBDKwe2o&list=PLdMCv4l4uEb2w_30Hz049Ds35GnAWepiN&index=19
strange wave
@zenith onyx that was disproven like 50+ years ago, what. para could easily have a lot to do with its crest and an extreme sound based lifestyle but making it semi aquatic? save that for something like iguanodon or shant which would actually need something like that to be unique
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Parasaur may have lived in a swampy place, but that doesn't mean it was semi-aquatic
covert birch
I dont like the idea of an aquatic para, at least not in that manner since deino exists.
Cuz i doubt para would outswim deino
Now para as a wading herbi would be interesting
daring sierra
You mean land before time lied to me
covert birch
Yep
strange wave
i would save a niche like that for something like shant or plateo
covert birch
yea a "moose shant" is pretty interesting
Or plateo being a wader
daring sierra
@zenith onyx at this point add to the para the ability to breath fire
covert birch
main issue is para and maia are a bit similar, especially if devs use walkeri size which has been mentioned in the past iirc
So this would be a cool way to differentiate it
left nacelle
Maybe make Maia and Para both wading herbivores, but make them eat different plants from each other in different parts of the swamp
That way if someone wants to be a wading herbi, they can choose where in the swamp they'd like to be
paper oriole
Para would look pretty dumb zooming through the water, he'd work better as a wader, things like plateo, atopo and desmata would look better as swimmers. Para should be much better at running away than he is now, and be able to use his 3 call to daze predators
honest sparrow
3 call daze? Sounds like a bad idea
paper oriole
Totally agree para got fucked over with nerfs though, somebody really had a grudge against it lol
Calling wont be spammable anymore
So a para couldnt just spam its 3 call
So seems fine to me as a cc defense
zenith onyx
i didn't say it could outswim dieno, jsut land predators, and i didn't say aquatic, i said semi aquatic. plus they did live on aquatic plants and vegetation. And where's your source that it was disproven? they had lived in swampy areas, i'd assume they'd be semi aquatic to survive there.
alot the animals today are designed for their biome. Why would the para or any of hte dinos be different? it would a fish out of water if it wasn't even semi adapted for the swamp life.
left nacelle
Semi-aquatic means living partially in water and out of water. Para didn't live in water. Living in a swamp doesn't mean you live in water
zenith onyx
swamp is a water world.
left nacelle
Herons live in swamps. They aren't semi aquatic
zenith onyx
dieno is a aquatic dino because it lives in swamp
left nacelle
Swamp rabbits are literally rabbits that live in swamps. They aren't semi aquatic
Plus Para's body would be very inefficient for swimming
left nacelle
The shape of it, and it's long legs. Long legs create drag. Which is why spinosaurus is believed to have had shorter legs
That's also why ducks, crocs, otters, hippos, and other aquatic animals have short legs
zenith onyx
um, how about the fish or mammalsthat have super thick but long fins? like some dolphins, in indonnesia, there is a species of dolphin that lives in their swamps during the wet season.
left nacelle
Those are fins, not legs. Fins are a completely different shape than legs. They're designed to cut through water
Okay. But they're a different shape
zenith onyx
im not saying that para's would outspeed everything, it would just be a dino that is outfitted for the somewhat aquatic life of hte swamp
It would just be a dino that does well in the swamp
left nacelle
But it wouldn't make sense. and if it can't outspeed stuff, then it'll have the same problem it has in the current game
I could see it living in the swamp and being a wading herbivore, like moose. But I can't see it swimming very well
left nacelle
In the current game? Yes it does. That's why no one plays it
honest sparrow
somehow tenonto swims fast
zenith onyx
i've outrun almost everything as para except utahs and apexes with sprint
left nacelle
Tenonto swims fast by current game's standard. They're changing how swimming is so other creature probably swim fast too
Exactly. You can't outrun your biggest threat: Apexes
Para's only real defense is to run and it can't outrun a lot of the animals in the game
zenith onyx
that's why it would be another escape route from apexes, cc attacks
and it can outrun most of hte dino in game
anything else can attack a para but prob die
left nacelle
Aquatic para just wouldn't make sense. It could get away from things by running into the water, but then it'll just get killed by a deino
honest sparrow
or even a spinosaurid
zenith onyx
yeah, thats a down side of running into water as with any of the other semi aquatic dinos being added to the game
left nacelle
A spinosaur would be even more of a threat to a para than a deino
honest sparrow
hell enough austros (depending on what species they go with) could take a para down in the water
left nacelle
There's plenty of other things you can do to make para unique, but i don't think an aquatic para is the way to go
zenith onyx
what other things could make para a playable dino that is easy to survive with? the only i can think of is water.
and they did live in aquatic biomes
left nacelle
Like I said, make it a wading herbivore like a moose. I lives in the swamp and eats aquatic plants, but it isn't semi-aquatic
zenith onyx
why not? it's legs weren't bulky so they didn't cause it to drag
and it used its tail and back legs mainly to swim, not it's forelimbs
left nacelle
Wdym used? It wasn't aquatic irl
And again, long back legs aren't good for swimming
zenith onyx
the spinos back legs are longer then it's forelimbs by alot
strange wave
no the fuck they are not
zenith onyx
really? how not?
strange wave
unless your talking about isle spino
zenith onyx
isle spino yes
left nacelle
Those back legs are not long
zenith onyx
talking about isle spino
left nacelle
Isle spino probably won't be swimming tho. It's gonna run on the bottom of lakes and stuff like a hippo
strange wave
isle spino doesn't matter in this sense because its monsterfied and your talking about real para
zenith onyx
so why couldn't the para do the same then? if it has long legs, it could do that too
real para, but some added stuff
left nacelle
Because it would be weird. And it would take away some of spino's uniqueness. Para doesn't need it
There's no reason for para to do that
zenith onyx
why does it not need it?
left nacelle
Because there's better things for it to do
zenith onyx
unless tp hode
strange wave
because it would be stupid to see a para run into the water from an allo to the waiting jaws of a deinosuchus
zenith onyx
better things? what other things besides run from everything
left nacelle
I literally said it twice
strange wave
cc attacks
left nacelle
Give it CC attacks and make it a wading herbivore like a moose
zenith onyx
ikt! but the things i said would allow it to run away instead of cc attacks which only get it killed
strange wave
allowing it to have a kind of private global chat with other paras
zenith onyx
that sucks
left nacelle
Yeah I don't like that one
strange wave
but CC attacks allow it to run
zenith onyx
examples?
strange wave
tenontos tail smash stunning attackers
zenith onyx
for para
left nacelle
Dazing predators with loud roars, knocking things down with it's tail, pushing things
strange wave
incredibly loud sound stunning predator allowing para to bolt
zenith onyx
so the same mechanic then for the magy or practicully any herbs being added or updated
how would the loud bellow help though? would it have timer? how could it be used?
strange wave
wow its almost like CC is a very unique and usable system for herbivores to add uniqueness
zenith onyx
would it have rang?
covert birch
Personally i like the idea of making para a mass migrating animal instead of a wading one
Then to differentiate it from maia use things like migration paths and benefits from nesting (for maia) to differentiate how much the two migrate and how distant they are
Make something like plateo a wader and shant a "moose-like" herbi who goes into deep water for food (cuz at least shant is big enough to possibly outstam deino/spino)
zenith onyx
range*
para has almost the same amount of stam the maia has, and it's bigger so it could power deep into water to get food.
left nacelle
But that's the current game
strange wave
para has almost the same amount of stam the maia has, and it's bigger so it could power deep into water to get food.
@zenith onyx current stats, forget about it
zenith onyx
and they had air channels in their crest where htey could store air to breath and make the amazing noises they do
covert birch
left nacelle
"Store breath" you mean holding your breath?
strange wave
you are using 1800s information about para
zenith onyx
so if htey are doing that, then why couldn't this idea work hten if theyr scrappin almost everything?
covert birch
Kai, para was not a swamp dweller irl if thats where your going at
That stuff was disproven along with swamp sauropods iirc
strange wave
Parasaurolophus lived in what is now North America with a span that ranged from Alberta, Canada to New Mexico USA.
65 million years ago in what is now Alberta, Canada the climate would have been warmer without any frosts but with significant wet and dry seasons. Parasaurolophus would have lived in the forest region though would have also migrated to the plains and swamp regions and is thought to have moved to higher ground in order to reproduce and for females to nest.
These dinosaurs would have lived in large herds and when faced with danger they would have moved quickly as these large herds to confuse their predators. One such predator of Parasaurolophus was Albertosaurus
passage taken from the document above
zenith onyx
It has been said that the crest could have been used to support and move the head, as a weapon in combat amongst individuals of the same species, it could have been used to throw jets of “chemical fire” at enemies similar to the modern day bombardier beetle, as well as being used by an aquatic lifestyle in the form of a snorkel or as an air-trap to keep water out of the lungs.
but this changed with age
so maybe a juv thing?
covert birch
yes and right after kai
"However all of these theories have been discredited and the overall consensus today is that the crest had several different functions which changed with age. The crest is believed to have been used for visual recognition between species and sexes, for acoustic resonance and for sound amplification (used to create a foghorn-like sound) as well as for thermoregulation."
The article literally explains how that is disproven
and that the crest was usd for communication
zenith onyx
descredited? how? why? and most importantly when?
it could have changed with age like they said
paper oriole
No way that blunt hollow crest would be used in combat either
paper oriole
Paras current headbutt is dumb and should be replaced
covert birch
I like the idea of para with side checks and a back kick
zenith onyx
copying the tenonto's moves?
covert birch
what
strange wave
no?
left nacelle
So two animals can't have similar attacks?
covert birch
Tenonto doesnt have side checks
Nor a daze cc
strange wave
so a backkick can only be on tenonto
zenith onyx
how? it's forelimbs weren't strong enought o support it using it;s back legs to kick
humble terrace
I do think para should have some kind of behind attack like tenonto does
paper oriole
Isnt allo copying alberto's moves by having a bite then?
left nacelle
No one said anything about a backwards kick
zenith onyx
yes someone did
left nacelle
And even if it did get a backwards kick, it could kick with one leg at a time
paper oriole
Para's flimsy, knobby front legs would also be useless in swimming
zenith onyx
i never said it would use it's forelimbs, back legs and tail
paper oriole
To change an herbi to semiaquatic it should at least be able to look decent doing it
zenith onyx
and everything is being scrapped so.... it could look nice
strange wave
not the model
zenith onyx
ik
paper oriole
I want good semiaquatic herbis too but para would just look out of place with its shape
zenith onyx
um, spino is out of place in water, giant sail?
paper oriole
No lmao
strange wave
para would look so fucking stupid spending any amout of time in the water
left nacelle
Marlins have giant sails
paper oriole
Sails are for water
zenith onyx
that they can lower
strange wave
sails also cut through water
left nacelle
And... what difference does that make?
strange wave
rounded crests do not
paper oriole
Para is all meat and bone
zenith onyx
it can hide it, but it never comes out of he water, never said hte rounded crest would help with the swimming, stop putting words in my mouth
strange wave
your point of it lowering it sail doesn't make sense
zenith onyx
maybe, i should stop postinjg stuff because everytime i do, all four of you just gang up on me and jsut grind me into the ground. it was just an idea
covert birch
Just gonna add something rq
Dondi mentioned tenos food will be spawning on the islands within the swamp
So maybe a smaller herbi that teno can compete with would be a better option
strange wave
if the sail was a problem it wouldn't be there
zenith onyx
one stupid idea
left nacelle
KAI, we don't grind you to the ground. We explain the flaws in your suggestion and you keep trying to find ways to make it work
zenith onyx
and?