When will isle update come
#general-feedback-discussion
simple shoal
neat beacon
Err rule 9 bud
covert birch
It tells you when it will come in rule 9
neat beacon
Also dunno if i should post but maybe some like flight attacks as well
dunno if i should post
covert birch
You shouldnt
neat beacon
aight
covert birch
No animal would be capable of doing that or something similar
blazing charm
I think if those weapons and amor had more of a gritty, tribal look it'd do fine, since i'm assuming it would be tribal work. Plus you'd also have to consider the possibility of how effective it would be, but that's balance talk and I'm clueless when it comes to dealing with humanoids.
covert birch
imo humans in general balance wise should keep the whole the big dangerous stuff you can get are either hard to find or make
So tribal getting armor for dinos would need to accomplish killing stuff that provide enough bones which are strong enough for armor use
neat beacon
Also to prevent things like dick-masks, like already made preset masks, like layers?
Say there's like 5 layers to a specific mask
Each layer can be customized from already made shapes
blazing charm
Honestly, the whole poop suggestion meme is just, unfortunate. The concept isn't entirely unreasonable, it would actually work as a decent addition to tracking mechanics, but it's just held back by the childish nature of the subject...well that and uh, the weirder side.
vestal rune
if you want poop go play ark ngl
outer nebula
@pulsar lake https://youtu.be/FVE8hzmt-J8?t=95 you mean like this
noble pine
sorry if I triggered anyone with my gif
valid zephyr
I'm pretty triggered by it lol.
noble pine
mighty girder
I mean I could see our spino doing something like that to mid tiers pretty easily
noble pine
I could see it doing that to a lot of animals
cobalt compass
could be used as an exicution for small and mid tier
noble pine
i just see it being used to keep other things its size for getting out of its grip too easily
heady folio
The weaponized armor idea is hella cool but it doesn’t fit the game so I don’t rly see that being a thing
paper oriole
Doesnt the 3 call count as a challenge call...
strange wave
2 is literally called the attract call
honest sparrow
eeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
lavish kettle
i would think a mating call to be impressive
honest sparrow
but why would it be in the game?
lavish kettle
more realism
just saying it would be interesting and cool if they were in the game
honest sparrow
- it's not supposed to be a realistic game. 2. it needs to serve another purpose other than being cool
noble pine
@torpid nymph bary, sucho, austro, spino, deino
lavish kettle
i mean the fact that we can chose colours doesn't have much purpose other than being cool
torpid nymph
thanks : )
honest sparrow
it's customization
lavish kettle
admittedly, yes, these calls wouldn't have really any purpose just saying it would be cool
noble pine
a GOOD vocal suggestion would be asking for some low grumbles and hisses, so you dont have to be loud af when you 2, 3 or 4 call.
left nacelle
You won't have to be loud af anymore tho. You can just tap the key to make a quiet call in EVRIMA
Holding it does a loud one, like the ones we currently have
lavish kettle
also the only real reason we actually got this game is because it was a cool idea
noble pine
its still a roar lmao, its going to alert others to your presence in that area, hissing at someone as a sucho or bary instead of out right blasting your vocal cords would be much better for those kinds of animals.
left nacelle
Tapping the key will literally be a growl. It's not gonna be loud at all
honest sparrow
except for 1 call
noble pine
im not saying replace the roars, but have 5 6 7 and 8 be variations of 1 2 3 4 but they're grumbles and hisses
left nacelle
But why do that when we're already getting that??
You can just tap 1,2,3, and 4 to get quieter versions of them
cyan flame
Isn't that the point of the shorter variations, as Blue is saying? That they're shorter, and quieter, instead of the full on roar when you hold
noble pine
have you seen any gameplay of them using the tapping calls? its still the normal calls, they just arent as loud.
lavish kettle
easier controls
left nacelle
They literally told us they're growls
cyan flame
But if they're not as loud then thats what you asked for?
left nacelle
And we have seen gameplay of it, but i don't remember what clip it is
cyan flame
If you just think hissing noises would work better for some animals that's fair, but that's a different request?
noble pine
dino sent a video of him doing it as utah, they're literally the same, ones just a bit louder
neat beacon
if you tap it'll be a growl
cyan flame
Well, we don't know how loud it'll actually be, do we?
noble pine
we do
cyan flame
After all, they've said they're also lowering the basic call right?
left nacelle
We don't
noble pine
its still loud
cyan flame
So we can chat without letting half the map know we're there
left nacelle
Just because it sounds loud doesn't mean it travels far
noble pine
dino has told us several times how it will work
they still travel quite far, a hiss would only be audible in a very short distance
left nacelle
How do you know this?
noble pine
you ever heard an alligator hiss?
left nacelle
I'm not talking about irl, I'm talking about in game
noble pine
walk about 50 meters away and tell me if you can hear it.
but sounds are based on irl distances lmao
cyan flame
Well, I don't recall exactly how the example sounded, but if the F call is getting lowered, then I would imagine we could get a "quiet" version of the other calls too
left nacelle
Not necessarily
noble pine
yes necessarily
left nacelle
No
noble pine
yes.
left nacelle
That's just false lol
noble pine
it isnt lmao
left nacelle
Can you prove that it's not false?
Last I checked large animals can't be heard walking from 50 feet away
noble pine
dino is basing the distance sound travels based on irl.
cyan flame
Look, if we're not having any actual examples, much less examples that are finalized, then maybe we should just wait for that?
noble pine
im talking about roars, not foot steps lol
left nacelle
But the calls aren't gonna travel far. Dino's literally said this
neat beacon
bruhh
noble pine
and foot steps now are much quieter now, according to dino/
honest sparrow
we need a screenshot
noble pine
you're not getting the point 
cyan flame
No I think we are, we just think that the "tap" version is going to be along the lines of what you want, even if it's not neccesarily a hissing noise
noble pine
a hiss is only audible at very close distances, flat our roaring is still going to span pretty far
left nacelle
cyan flame
We're still thinking that the tap will be very short range/quiet, much more of a warning hiss/growl than an outright roar
left nacelle
In the EVRIMA video that Filipe posted, we can hear the shortened version of Utah's 3 call. It's literally just a growl
noble pine
a normal roar will at least half a kilometer, according to dino, a held roar will travel farther, thats still far enough to alert someone to you.
left nacelle
https://youtu.be/eQJJyeHNjuI The short Utah 3 call is at 0:32
Have a screenshot of that statement?
noble pine
LMFAO dude thats the utah pouncing
left nacelle
Not it's not
noble pine
it literally is
left nacelle
At least i don't think
noble pine
it isnt
left nacelle
It makes that noise while standing on the ground
noble pine
fucking look
noble pine
it jumps and bites
left nacelle
Watch it for more than a second
noble pine
i am
left nacelle
Doubt it
It barely roared at all in the video
and it sounds a lot more raspy when they're out of breath
left nacelle
Sorry if I sounded rude at all during this, I didn't mean to
But out of curiosity, do you know what video it was you saw? It could be outdated
noble pine
it was sent in phase 2 i think
it was dino or dondi as a utah, showing off the tap vs held, the utah was still decently loud, i hadnt noticed the 3 call in the video you sent.
left nacelle
Oooh I found it
That's cause it's the broadcast
The broadcast's whole point is to be loud, so it's gonna be loud no matter what
left nacelle
Plus i think i remember one of the devs saying that calls will have more utility now cause they won't travel for dozens of kilometers
noble pine
that makes thing easier
valid zephyr
I think dryos could do with a tiny bit more damage (30N in current balance terms?) but their stam is amazing.
frank notch
mabie the Dryo should be on same terms with speed against raptors
Raptors have ambush, dryos dony
but the i mph difference in a normal run gives utahs the chance to catch dryos
so i don't see it as fair for dryos in that term, with the stam thing yeah,
but if not with stam then a slight speed buff
wise warren
Dryos arent supposed to outspeed everything, thats why they have burrows to hide in
frank notch
But utahs can invade this and then dryos become trapped, along with the fact the animation could take too long and the dryo could still get bit.
valid zephyr
I'd rather make the dryos nocturnal like they were thought to be irl.
wise warren
Only juvi utahs can invade burrows, and last time my burrow got raided that juvi utah got totally murdered
paper oriole
dryo can outrun any carni juvie, it doesnt need to fight them
frank notch
Irl they would be in herds, using them for protection but a lot of the time im killed by herds when asking to join xc
paper oriole
nocturnal dryo is good tho
frank notch
0.5 bleed heal per tic is its current bleed heal.
mabie increase that to 1? then i could survive on low food and water whilest healing
cyan flame
Can't a fully grown juvie utah murder a fully grown dryo adult? :p
frank notch
exactly!
wise warren
Last time i tried the juvi utah got destroyed
frank notch
they out turn dryos
wise warren
Dont play non alt servers
frank notch
b r u h
i can't anyway
Most no alt turn servers banned them because of salty people
wise warren
Alt turn is an important part of game balance, and if you are playing on them and dying to people abusing the lack of balance it would be better to play on a server that uses the games mechanics
frank notch
don't you still agree dryos need a damage buff?
say if a female is defending her nest from apex juvies
valid zephyr
I mean I think dryo should have about 30N in current balance terms. (current is 20N, old was 50N)
paper oriole
when collision comes i think dryos should be able to whack into small dinos for some blunt damage but other than that, not really
it should be a nocturnal flight animal, it runs away
valid zephyr
50N was too much
frank notch
then it needs more s p e e d
valid zephyr
when it was 50N dryo was a dino of choice for running along beaches mass killing juvies
frank notch
if its a flight animal
icy lion
its got good speed. and good stam
paper oriole
it takes basically no time to grow, it's basically a "i'm bored im going to make a dryo and spam 4 call some rexes" dino. it could use more speed maybe, and nocturnal sight, not more damage
frank notch
are 1mph faster then them
wise warren
Personally i think dryo is pretty well balanced. I have escaped from utahs many times, even one time me and a buddy killed a utah attacking us
valid zephyr
if dryo goes nocturnal, dilos would be its predator and not utahs.
and its well equipped for avoiding dilos.
wise warren
and this is in current
paper oriole
and the mos tyou really lose if you die as a dryo is "oh no now i have to run back to my herd as this mobile animal that has good stam" and you'll be almost full adult by the time you get there
icy lion
if you die to utahs in 100% of encounters as dryo you need to play the terrain better. 1mph difference is ok i guess in a straight line, but other than that just play smarter
wise warren
Dryo has a tighter running turn and as long as you arent out in the open you can get into trees and force them off of you
Or just dip into your burrow
frank notch
its rare when im forcet to play in a strait line. And if im honest these buffs might be usefull to new players.
I've been kos'd so many times as a dryo by utahs
from when i 1st started playing to even now.
neat beacon
How are you forced?
frank notch
a pack of them
frank notch
thats the worst thing to deal with
wise warren
You can try to weave through them
neat beacon
dont just run in a straightl ine
turn and jump
try and make them look all around
Even bite each other
You're not forced to run in a straight line
neat beacon
So new people learn
They have to adapt
Just like how a new rex might be overwhelmed by raptors
They have to learn how to defend
wise warren
Make it too easy and new players will never learn, even right now dryo is a great new dino
you grow insanly fast, you run fast and have tons of stam
frank notch
true.
wise warren
theres only 2 predators that you cant outrun, and both of them you can outturn
neat beacon
A new trike might try and run after a dilo attacking it
frank notch
I have had many encounters with rexes and i always end up trolling them
neat beacon
but after they learn they know to put their ass in a wall
so they dont get assriden to death
strange wave
maybe switch the habitat of oro and homalo
allow oro to kick up small rocks and use them to trip up attackers
make oro take less fall damage
@marble cedar
frosty igloo
@marble cedar you can also see my suggestion above on how to improve AI
I made a whole list of ideas but I like yours
finite elm
Im still mad seeing spino snap rex neck
That was uncalled for. Fuck you Joe Johnston
You made a boy cry and hate the rest of the movie
Also a good idea though for the game. But id actually prefer the 2020 version too myself. I actually like current spoon too
stone relic
I mean I think that the spinosaurus scene in JP3 was good at establishing the new dinosaur’s power and dominance.
Also yes I’d love 2020 Spino cuz that tail is freaking wonderful
finite elm
I love the new tail! New Spoon looks cool
paper oriole
So yutyrannus as a nocturnal glass cannon ambusher? Could maybe work. Seems different enough from (current) alberto or cerato
Assuming one of the existing predators being reworked wont fill that role already
rare bramble
but the yuty was not that light
that whould mean its the same weight as a full juvi rex
but with 300N damage
random imp
Mmmh my guess is that Alberto will fill the glass cannon nocturnal predator niche
left nacelle
@lavish kettle The diet system will force players to migrate. Herbivores will have certain foods that they'll need to eat, and carnivores will have preferred animals that will make them grow faster if they eat them
So that'll lead to herbivores migrating from food source to food source, and carnivores will migrate in order to follow their preferred prey
lavish kettle
i mean sort of like a season mechanic
left nacelle
But that's completely separate from migrating
and we are gonna have wet and dry seasons, since the maps are tropical
cobalt compass
@split snow thats likely how the new ui in the spawn menu works
restive pewter
If we had a growth bar in sandbox that would be amazing
Then wed actually know where we at onna game
left nacelle
@loud owl Joke suggestions can get you in trouble
frosty igloo
@loud owl Its best If you deleate that or you will get a strike like me 😦
left nacelle
Mods can see deleted messages. So it might already be too late
@loud owl Babies will be able to keep up with adults in EVRIMA, plus that could easily be abused
loud owl
Ok then
stuck bison
I wish people would read things like devblogs before posting a suggestion. Then they would know caves are already coming.
cobalt compass
^
i wish people would also use the searchbar at first instead of reposting bad ideas
valid zephyr
I mean I understand people reposting ideas. If an idea is posted a lot it shows it's popular.
Upvoting some 3 year old suggestion which is long forgotten and gathering dust doesn't feel useful.
@barren summit That is already planned and confirmed. Look on #phase-two-archive near the top for its growth.
barren summit
oh thx
valid zephyr
barren summit
would be a nice addition
valid zephyr
This is it here. Is this what you mean?
barren summit
didnt really checked there my bad
This is it here. Is this what you mean?
@valid zephyr yes more or less
should i delete it from the channel?
valid zephyr
If you want. It helps remove clutter for the devs to go through.
At least your idea is confirmed and implemented. 
noble pine
Pachy stages are already a thing
pulsar lake
I agree that some modifications on the juvi spino would be cool https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/665372385339506728/SpinoMorph.mp4
OOF I'm sad...Spino doesn't have webbed feet 
prime pulsar
covert birch
@keen walrus thats already happening
valid zephyr
Yeah webbed feet for the juvie too would be nice.
Short legs, webbed feet, and tadpole tail
which at sub get reabsorbed and it changes into the spino we have upcoming
like a larval salamander turning into an adult
paper oriole
My god that giga is hideous
stone relic
@rare bramble Yutyrannus was surprisingly light, only weighing 3100 pounds, or roughly 1400 kilos. That’s why I suggested it have slightly boosted health so it wouldn’t get decimated
And that’s the high estimate, since we have nearly complete skeletons.
indigo sun
@barren summit dondi said no to first person i believe
barren summit
Why tho );
indigo sun
likely to do with head movement
the dinosaurs move their heads a fuckton even in idle aniimations
i'll see if i can find exactly what he said about it but that is a major issue that gets brought up in every discussion fo first person
barren summit
Oof 😦
At least do something to make it easier to go thru jungle.
It doesn’t really matter when you’re just passing by
But when in combat it just blocks your view for example
valid zephyr
it's a pain when you're trying to look through a bush, but it's blocking your camera
but your dino is already out the other side and visible to everyone
barren zephyr
this game have like 3 years in early
access OMG , Why did they abandon it?
ebon tiger
??? what are you on about?
indigo sun
its not abandoned
ebon tiger
i'm guessing this guy is new here or something
icy lion
probs just flamebait
indigo sun
They're still very much working on the game and trying to get the update out as fast as possible while still having t be quality @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
let me see if I understand, the game is just eat drink and kill?
fresh monolith
i mean,
indigo sun
They're working to make it not just eat drink and kill. At the moment it is still very bare, yes, but that's because they couldn't work with the code they had that the old programmer left behind.
There's obvious effort shown and videos/images of the stuff theyre going to put in the game
icy lion
#phase-two-archive has got most of the new released stuff
paper oriole
Apex predator populations should be controlled through gameplay, not hard caps and barriers
Anybody should be allowed to play rex without having to grow other dinos first, but shitty players shouldnt be able to make it to adult as they do now which is why we have 927468218 rexes on every populated server
The game's ecosystem and mechanics should kill off the bad apexes naturally, hard caps are annoying
cyan flame
Well that and because it's still mostly about who kills what best xD
But yes, caps should be "enforced" naturally ingame preferably
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestions 
valid zephyr
yikes
indigo sun
apexes can fend off tail riders by turning around and biting them
dont know why they need a tail swipe for that
@loud owl
surreal hemlock
@indigo sun Are you talking about the current version of the game?
indigo sun
Current and future version
indigo sun
Apexes can very much turn around and kill their little attackers
Unless you went and put yourself at a disadvantage in a no alt server, in which case your fault, but that doesnt matter cause the future version will make it so everyone can turn around no matter what server
marble flame
@barren zephyr im pretty sure when the recode is out it will actually run better on pc
surreal hemlock
Yeah, future version fixes the problem, but not the current one with no alt turn. Just asking. :P
indigo sun
that's the players fault for playin on those servers if they get killed, devs gave em a chance at survival
either way though. a solution to bitch ass tailriders exists and it wont be an issue in the future so a tail swing isnt necessary
icy lion
depending on how collision works a tail swing might just be part of turning around, depending on how light your annoyance is
strange wave
rex swings around, slaps a hypsi out of a tree onto the ground where a group of troodon rip it to shreds
paper oriole
With most theropods actually swinging their tail independently would just knock them off balance, it should just be left to collision and trample
left nacelle
@lapis wasp Already being added
Except I believe any carnivore will be able to steal eggs. Not just those two
lapis wasp
oh didnt know sorry
left nacelle
@loud owl Spino will most likely be able to run on the bottom of lakes and stuff like hippos do. So spino will definitely be able to ambush people at lakes and stuff. Idk if sucho will be a swimmer or not tho. Deino will also be able to leap out of water and ambush
Also, don't put a reaction on your own suggestion. It just makes you look bad
left nacelle
It's understandable. But some people in here can be a little ruthless, so ya gotta be extra careful
loud owl
Kk
safe galleon
I’d suggest watching ravenous too keep up on the news and mechanics @loud owl
left nacelle
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dawn widget
hello everyone im about to buy this game the isle since i love dinos so much and i was wondering which servers u guys suggest around a bout europe @latent goblet
covert birch
@dawn widget official eu servers
dawn widget
is it friendly or no
covert birch
What do you consider friendly is
dawn widget
not getting eaten alive would do the job
dawn widget
i mean there are lots of ai animals to eat they can eat those right?
covert birch
Lots: yes, do they feed that much: ehhh
dawn widget
anything except the officials?
covert birch
But there is no server ik of that forces you to eat ai over players
Closest thing you can get is a "realism" server
THey gotta shitton of annoying rules but those rules generally make hunting as a carni annoying due to shit like body down
frosty igloo
I mean feeding only on AI would be really challanging
frosty igloo
I mean there are some servers
covert birch
I mean, people literally need to eat other players to survive, so it makes sense
frosty igloo
you can play sandbox
covert birch
sandbox works since ya dont need to grow
frosty igloo
or a herb only servers
covert birch
but youll still be eaten
dawn widget
ok got it
left nacelle
If you want a passive, friendly game, then idk if The Isle is for you
frosty igloo
yeah esspecialy with hypos and tribals coming
left nacelle
And all the other horrifying things. Mutant plants, tons of gore, the eyeless monsters, mutants, Mercenaries
dawn widget
kk XD
left nacelle
@frosty igloo I love the idea, but I think the loud sound thing is a bit overdone and a bit cliché. Maybe instead, the rat or bug has a small chance of jumping up towards the camera or make a really sudden movement. But it doesn't happen every time, so it would be startling when it does
frosty igloo
I mean I did say it would be rare
left nacelle
Yeah, I'm not saying it wouldn't be scary or it's too common, but the loud sound thing imo makes it seem like it's trying a bit too hard. Like if you need a loud sound for it to be scary, then it isn't scary enough, ya know?
frosty igloo
I mean yeah I see your point
left nacelle
Still a really good suggestion tho
@loud owl Disabled? Definitely not. Lowered? That's a good idea
loud owl
Yea that way raptor hunting could atleast have a chance of your whole pack making it out alive
Or any carnivore hunt
left nacelle
Yeah. If it was disabled, you could easily have packs dogpile their prey and not get hurt by it. But if it's just lowered, you won't seriously hurt your friend by mistake lol
loud owl
Ye lmao
left nacelle
And now that I think about it, I think the lowered damage thing is coming already. i remember hearing about it
thorny crag
like this
left nacelle
Oooooh i see
That would be cool
Maybe you should add that picture onto your suggestion if you can
thorny crag
yea will do
thorny crag
yea number at trike should be 7 but i messed up xD
and the models could maybe do z-walk
and maybe turn to view and admire the models ❤️
will do a gif to show how it would work
subtle frigate
@valid zephyr Maybe to stop the vampirism being completely unavoidable, the main place it could drink blood from would be the neck? This gives the host a chance to catch the Yi Qi in its mouth instead of having its blood sucked and no way of stopping it.
valid zephyr
Yeah should definitely need to be a thinner spot on it like the neck. And just using stam to sprint should shake it off.
or go into water
once it leaps off you can squash it like a bug
paper oriole
Yi qi is neat but Zhenyuanlong could be added as an arboreal glider without being doubled in size to be viable
covert birch
^
Changyuraptor or zhenyuanlong work plenty fine as a larger arboreal glider
And if ya wanna go for smalls (but not as small as yi qi) balur bonodoc is great (and iirc a herbi)
paper oriole
Only downside of zhen vs yi is zhen looks less unique
valid zephyr
I mentioned it could be several other dromeosaurs.
I just focused on yiqi as it looks so uniqie
paper oriole
But he is a readily viable arboreal glider ambusher
covert birch
Plus ide rather the whole vampiric thing be put into a flyer
like dimorphodon or rhamp
valid zephyr
Yeah I mentioned that not all aspects of the playstyle would suit all the potential animals for it.
the blood sucking I don't think suits dromeosaurs
I don't think zhen works as well in the role as velo would. It has much shorter arms.
nychus would be my first choice, but a while ago dondi mentioned a burrowing raptor and that utah was too big. So I worry nychus would end up as a burrower not a tree climber.
thorny crag
gif to see how my menue idea would work
barren zephyr
trout?
covert birch
i have a big suggestion about the velo! : new velo animation,new model ( i mean new model with feather) more healt, more speed and more attack. you don't need to put it bigger it ok as it is!
@barren zephyr velo is gonna be getting a cosmetic feather option later on, along with utah and a few other dinos
It wont change stats tho
valid zephyr
stats are being rebalanced in the update
covert birch
when i said "it wont change stats" i meant the feathered model will have the same stats as the unfeathered one
it will, cosmetics wouldnt change stats
Obviously velo will change statwise in the ufture
But the cosmetic option being on or off wont change it
neat beacon
????
covert birch
Nikson you seem to be misunderstanding what im saying
Yes, velo will get stat changes
There then we understand eachother
for some reason i misread your original suggestion thinkin that the feathers would get better stats
left nacelle
@vestal sandal That ruins the whole horror aspect of the game. Plus territories would be hard and annoying to manage, especially with so many people on a server
vestal sandal
you're right
covert birch
a territory system is generally uneeded imo
vestal sandal
i wanted only to warn you that there's another dino
indigo sun
shouldnt be a warning
covert birch
Nah cuz that would ruin hunts n such
indigo sun
you should be constantly on the look out and it could ruin hunts
covert birch
^
paper oriole
Warning tracks, snapping branches, flocks of birds taking off. Those are vague warnings that can fit in a horror game, leaving you to wonder what caused those noises and if you should flee before it is to late, not smelling piss and getting a “this is giga piss” notif lol
random imp
Is like the people who want subtitles, so instead of hearing stomps you just read "stomps"... and its dumb lol
valid zephyr
How is that stupid?
I really struggle to hear anything due to my hearing. It essentially locks me out of playing carnivore as can't hear AI
paper oriole
If its choosing between sound and subtitles it could be a good option for hearing impaired people
covert birch
issue is people who arent hearing impaired would use it to their advantage
thorny crag
u can also use hearing device
valid zephyr
I mean it's not providing them with an advantage? they can hear sounds and direction
paper oriole
Which is why id say choose between sound and subtitles
valid zephyr
having indicators changes nothing
paper oriole
Not both
covert birch
One or the other works
thorny crag
yea if you wanna have options for deaf people it should be between sound and subtitles. that would be fair since they would have no use for both I guess
paper oriole
Like im colourblind and different colour settings could probably help me with my visual fuckups, but other players could abuse colour settings so i'd rather it not be there
Sadly disabled setting would just be exploited all around
valid zephyr
I can hear well enough to hear my own dino calling. that's about it
thorny crag
colour settings will come I think i remember some talk about that
paper oriole
Hopefully they arent exploitable settings that ruin peoples' camo skins
thorny crag
I'd really recommend hearing devices, they are lifechangers
valid zephyr
hearing devices?
thorny crag
yea like in-ear devices that make you hear almost normal
pretty successful, i know a few people who use it
valid zephyr
those seem like a pain. can't deal with anything going over or into my ears :/
thorny crag
thats more like a "ull get used to it" problem, they are not painful
random imp
Agreed, subtitles or audio, not both, people will abuse it
One of my friends have hearing issues, he uses a device that helps him hear, is basically a lil thing you put in the hear, no pain
valid zephyr
I'd probs pick the visual indicators over sound if I had to pick one.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401481371249541120/648101625445089300/unknown.png
I made a suggestion a while ago
indigo sun
@peak wedge content creators were never gonna be given access more than a few days before release. They're already getting it close to release, not like a week or two before we get it.
peak wedge
Oh, didnt know that, just saw things around it
covert birch
What is this about a content creator early access
peak wedge
Content creators are probably going to get evrima early
covert birch
Sad
peak wedge
@barren zephyr how much of a faster growth are you thinking? And how much 'messing up' would it do? Because faster growth then apexs+Being able to mess up badly/kill apexs makes it seem like its a better apex ykwim?
barren zephyr
growth would be like sucho or allo range, and in terms of damage it depends on how long the rex is in the water, if the distance is short then rex could leave the water with minimal damage, but if its a long distance i could see rhizo eventually stamming and bleeding it out @peak wedge
peak wedge
Ah, okay, thx
covert birch
@radiant aspen the orange thing wont be visible
it was just used to show how it worked
strange wave
@radiant aspen that was just to show the area of the thermal, that wont be in game
indigo sun
That wont be there when we actually get pteranodon
coarse canyon
but blurry will look much better
radiant aspen
Okay thank you for the clarification
radiant aspen
@covert birch Im not sure where to put this but has anyone discussed/ suggested how collision might affect others. For example if I were a trike and happened to look to my left but another trike was really close to me....would they either get hurt or my head stops and is limited in terms of turning? Another example is say I was a large dinosaur and walked/ ran past a smaller dinosaur would I be able to push them aside?
covert birch
For the thing where you run past a smaller dinosaur
You would prolly just run em over since everything is getting trample
The thin with the trikes prolly works just like the whole tail collision clip we got
radiant aspen
Collision is more concerning especially when hatchlings are involved, does it mean I cant lay on a nest if a hatchling is in it....I just really want a animation for a baby trike or dibble to do a cute roll when being pushed around 😄
strange wave
ya know @pine cape its not a bad idea, especially because the entire mid tier roster seems to act like african animals it would be nice to see the diablo (warthog) still fucking up the carno (cheetah)
regal solar
This has probably been thought of plenty of times but I'm a bit new so... But is there ever gonna be a urinating/defecating system? Like we have an extra icon along with hunger, thirst, and stamina that shows us if we need to take a dump or urinate
indigo sun
Oh i thought this was in suggestions
covert birch
Dondi has shown interest in poop systems
but generally the community doesnt want em
indigo sun
I dont want to deal with that please and thanks
covert birch
Plus other systems can do what poop does without being fetish-izable
Destructable terrain can do the same thing when it comes for tracking
regal solar
Fetishizable? Wtff 😂
covert birch
Your new
So makes sense ya havent seen the weird shit here
indigo sun
Shit is a well known fetish, not as big as others, but it's well known nonetheless
regal solar
Well I mainly play WoW. I've seen some shit.
indigo sun
Also its just like, fuckin gross, and people can be stupid children about shit
covert birch
Oh i play WoW too
But weird shit happens here too
Dondi did mention a way for it being used for childish and strange purpose
But why do that when other systems cover it
indigo sun
Other things work better, not necessary, there we go
regal solar
I just think it's a cool mechanic for a full dino fantasy experience or whatever. We can't let the virgins with scat fetishes ruin that D:
covert birch
Urination has been suggested also for this game for use in territory systems
But territory systems in themselves are uneeded
indigo sun
Id rather we stick to horror than doing everything possible to get the full dino fantasy experience. It'd be a bit of a joke
regal solar
Idk man. When I saw Spino's pile of steaming shit in JP 3, was a little scary
But I get it
Hearing stomps in the night while growing with shitty night vision as a little one makes me shit a little anyway so I guess that's plenty
paper oriole
"hey let's take the jurassic park inspired utahraptor calls and just straight up rip sounds from jurassic park instead"
how about no lmao
loud owl
I mean the 1 call basically is the jp raptor call lmao so what’s the difference in making it longer
It was just a opinion in mind not a suggestion
Idk logic in these types of things make no sense
paper oriole
the 1 call is very close, yeah, but they took an ounce of creative liberty with utahraptor. It wouldn't be very attractive to straight up rip everything off from jp, hell they're breaking his wrists in the update he's already too close
loud owl
Well they don’t have to copy the pounce sound then but how bout the talk sound when you message in the chat
Kinda does seem fitting for the Utah
feral wedge
How to get a copyright claim 101
paper oriole
ikr
loud owl
Oof ok now that i think bout it it’s terrible trash that idea
Seemed reasonable at the time
left nacelle
Also, fyi, the Utah's 1 call isn't the JP raptor call. The call is made by devs using some of the same animal sounds as JP
radiant aspen
@covert birch That sounds amazing but what mechanic can be used to notify every fish eater or other small carnivore that the salmon are coming back, similar to how bears in real life know to gather in a certain spot because salmon are swimming back and up the falls in a certain season. What also prevents larger carnivores or any carnivores in general from attacking any of the fish eaters, there should be a rule to prevent that. And I think a onchopristis would be a good fish to use for larger fish eating dinosaurs to eat.
barren summit
i think the point is that you can attack fish eaters while hunting just like you can attack any other carnivore while eating an ava right?
left nacelle
sudden hinge
I guess on certain rule servers you’ll probably find a rule around that but on semi realism and official servers you aren’t safe when eating AI and too be fair if you are too focused on fishing and not aware of your surroundings then it’s your fault lol
pale sorrel
@frosty igloo I wouldn't go two-headed, but the idea seems good
frosty igloo
I just ment that if you see a 1 headed dino people will just say "Oh another annoying apex AI" Gunfire intnsifies but with a two headed boy they will say "EEEEWWWW what is that " Running intensifies
I may try to do some schetces for the mutants to represent what I mean but remeber I can't draw
pale sorrel
That is true I suppose... maybe the sounds could be distorted and altered as well?
blazing charm
Rhamphorhynchus doesn't seem like a good idea to me, it's too small to actually do anything apart from scavenge, which is probably what Ptera is going to be stuck doing. At the same time it's small enough to be stealthy enough to spy on people, so that can potentially give people a way to scout for their friends without even being spotted.
As for being a Piscivore, I think a discussion needs to be had on how any flying creature would be able to fish, unless i'm mistaken the idea of grazing the water has been shot down, don't quote me on that though. I'm just going off of memory and things can always change.
left nacelle
Yeah Pteranodon is small enough as it is. Adding something smaller would essentially just be a worse pteranodon
covert birch
@covert birch That sounds amazing but what mechanic can be used to notify every fish eater or other small carnivore that the salmon are coming back, similar to how bears in real life know to gather in a certain spot because salmon are swimming back and up the falls in a certain season. What also prevents larger carnivores or any carnivores in general from attacking any of the fish eaters, there should be a rule to prevent that. And I think a onchopristis would be a good fish to use for larger fish eating dinosaurs to eat.
@radiant aspen Only mechanic that should notify them is sniff, youll be able to smell the dying fish from a mediocre distance, otherwise nothing else should tell you about this to actually make it a somewhat uncommon encounter
No rule should prevent killing fishers, thats literally body down 2.0, if your vigilant youll see the predator coming first and youll be able to gtfo
More big fish is cool, would prefer more ocean life first tho compared to oncho who was a river boi iirc
"As for being a Piscivore, I think a discussion needs to be had on how any flying creature would be able to fish, unless i'm mistaken the idea of grazing the water has been shot down, don't quote me on that though. I'm just going off of memory and things can always change.":
Jaffad iirc they said things like ptera will fish via diving into the water n swimming back up
I kinda remember kissen mentionin it in a stream chat
thorny crag
i think the orange aura for thermic will not be visible anyways
left nacelle
Yeah they said you won't be able to see thermals
keen walrus
Will there be any indicators for the positions for thermals, or will we just have to find them and remember where they our ourselves? (personally dont mind either way)
covert birch
The only indicator is that youll "feel them" (prolly just see your ptera go upwards while gliding)
Other than that no, b/c where thermals are shift
left nacelle
Yeah thermals will sometimes be there and sometimes not. They'll probably only appear above open flat places tho, like grasslands
frosty igloo
@left nacelle I was about to make that suggestion
you litterly read my mind the second time
you did that yesterday too
left nacelle
How did I read your mind yesterday lol
frosty igloo
give dryo a kick attack like kangaroo that can trip small dino
@round prairie
Nevermind wasen't you but still read my mind
today
left nacelle
Ooh lol
frosty igloo
I was thinking about farming but for mercs
meaning that if there is a scientist merc maybe they can experiment with plants to increase productivity
and then with small creatures you can have a high risk high reward gameplay where they sneak into farms and eat the crops
Kinda a defend the farm gameplay
left nacelle
I just added mercs into my suggestion lol
frosty igloo
like the peter rabbit scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HHZCPthATY
covert birch
Mercs shouldnt farm imo
DOndi said youll be raiding buildings n such for rations'
which imo fits the whole idea for mercs 10x better than farming
covert birch
@simple wasp deino will be gettin an aquatic ambush
But the whole spam button idea is bad imo,
They prolly will just make it like other systems when it comes to being grappled
simple wasp
I thought it was a good idea giving prey a chance to escape
covert birch
Prey should escape yes
But the actual system where its spam button pressing imo isnt good
And the whole
"They prolly will just make it like other systems when it comes to being grappled"
Is already allowing prey to escape
simple wasp
did u think the "catch a ride" thing was good though?
covert birch
Dondi described it on QNA stream part 2 iirc
frosty igloo
so no nesting on long neck bois
covert birch
I mean with how the devs have shown disinterest against people riding other animals ide expect the same to apply here with sauropods
simple wasp
well they didn't want humans to take a ride
covert birch
Its been called a "programming nightmare" previously
simple wasp
birds usually ride animals
covert birch
Sure but thats a mechanical difference other than just landing and using collision which pteras would be doing
plus we dont know if humans will be doing the whole riding stuff anymore
Closest thing we know of it is that tribals will be "enslaving dinos"
frosty igloo
I mean I guess If there was a way to fly over and see a button that says "press e to mount" and if the player clicks tha animation would play
covert birch
Plus that can kinda promote mixpacking depending on how its implemented
frosty igloo
yep
simple wasp
if people were able to mount the dinos would most likely have a choice to kick them off
covert birch
Doubt a brachi can kick people off
simple wasp
true XD
frosty igloo
Tree rub...
simple wasp
but something like a raptor
covert birch
A raptor wont even damage a brachi
simple wasp
unless the brachi decides to tip over
covert birch
Nor climb on its back
simple wasp
no like a raptor throwing a human off
frosty igloo
maybe a shake like cows do
simple wasp
brachi is to sluggish for that
covert birch
Brachi wouldnt really shake anything off
it would just tank it since those animals wouldnt damage it
simple wasp
yea lol
frosty igloo
how about a neck turn where it turns its next and pushes the raptor off
covert birch
No
simple wasp
his neck would break XD
covert birch
That and the raptor aint even getting that high when pouncing a brachi
Like the raptor wont be climbing up it
frosty igloo
What about a baby
frosty igloo
Bucking...
covert birch
Those are actually more agile
simple wasp
aren't baby brachis like a small snack
frosty igloo
or neck slap
frosty igloo
or the unlimite TREE RUB
simple wasp
I think irl baby brachis were so small a raptor can eat it in one gulp
covert birch
Tree rub works for younger brachis
baby yes
juvnile hell no
Sauropods are thought to have gone through younger stages of life very fast but the sub adult "stage" would be the longest
simple wasp
sub adult stage is pretty much the hardest part on growing a dino lol
simple wasp
wait
are there gunna be insects for baby deinosuchus?
since baby crocodiles kinda depend on them
simple wasp
true
covert birch
but frogs n such is what juvi deinos can eat
frosty igloo
Mosquito in swamp
covert birch
baby deinos wont be out in the wild remember, they are nested in and prolly will eat from nests
frosty igloo
I hope I spelled it right
simple wasp
if u think about it mud baths irl gets rid of mosquitos
frosty igloo
Merc item suggestion mosquito spray
covert birch
YOu spawn in as a juvinile
simple wasp
oh
simple wasp
ok
frosty igloo
I mean mosquitos could be just little clouds of insects that are visual no mechanic implanted
covert birch
Those lil firefly should be food nodes that work similar to bushes
paper oriole
Theyre breaking utah wrists on purpose for... some reason
paper oriole
Did they change it lol
covert birch
Nah the new updated model had it from the start
Crouching utah shows it off good here
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/664914260648001555/702634515138347511/4a0cea3e5d0c60be3d76ee59dccdc6e0.png?width=1441&height=499
paper oriole
The recode model had the broken wrists in some of the testlevels and streams
simple wasp
imagine being a merc going through high grass
paper oriole
Hope playing merc will be terrifying as fuck
paper oriole
Well i do hope its final, the broken wrists looked pretty bad lol
simple wasp
will the their be able to smell?
covert birch
yes smell is being updated
simple wasp
theri*
covert birch
yes
paper oriole
Theri has a new concept he'll be able to smell when they get to him
covert birch
it cant smell rn b/c its a sandbox animal
And sandbox animals arent made for survival
simple wasp
oh
paper oriole
hopefully he gets to raid termite mounds too
simple wasp
i bet theres gunna be so much small food for small dinos in the future
left nacelle
@barren summit The animals in game aren't the same animals as the ones irl. They're human made. Which is why they're inaccurate in certain ways. Also, Utah's hands aren't pronated. They do face each other
simple wasp
but there supposed to be close to irl besides the looks and added features
left nacelle
Not really
They're just supposed to seem plausible
Spinosaurus looks nothing like it's irl counterpart
simple wasp
i know but there supposed to act as and look as realistic as possible
left nacelle
But.... they don't
simple wasp
like a roar or a bite
left nacelle
The animals in game aren't even dinosaurs
simple wasp
its impossible to make a game look irl that's why its called a game
left nacelle
Exactly. That's why the game isn't even going for realism. They're going for plausibility
The animals aren't accurate to their real life counterparts, but they still seem like they could be real animals
simple wasp
yea that's wat i am saying XD
left nacelle
Then what's the point of this whole conversation lmao
simple wasp
im bored and have nothing to do
left nacelle
Pfft felt that
left nacelle
Damn. Tough times
simple wasp
yea lol
pale sorrel
@left nacelle That's a great suggestion, actually. I always imagined it to be strange for humans to go and find bushes to eat if they're classed as Omnivores and if you don't find/want to eat/don't want to risk getting meat. Also, herbivores should be able to find and eat the fruit as well, if they find it. Maybe the fruit could also be much larger than normal, as were a lot of plants and animals in the Carboniferous time period. I know the game is set in more or less present day, but it could be something to do with the islands, maybe a type of gas that's in the air around the island that cause the plants to grow huge, I don't know. I'm just imagining a Gallimimus picking a huge yellow bell pepper from a plant. 😄
left nacelle
Thanks for the feedback! That's interesting to think about 
pale sorrel
You're very welcome 😄
vivid rampart
About the Utah claws facing the ground issue, the claw tips faces the belly and a little inward towards each other, not the ground. Which is how paleontologists said the wrists work. Just reviewed a clip of Dondi's last stream.
left nacelle
There's also this image. You can clearly see the crouching Utah's hands are facing inwards
pulsar lake
Rampho could be coastal yeah but also a jungle animal digging trees in order to find larva.
covert birch
Imo rhamp should be like a lil vampire bat type thing
Or dimorphodon
Any of those small toothy flyers can fit it well imo
valid zephyr
i'm not a fan of playables under about 15kg personally
they just won't interact with the world and other players
covert birch
I mean a literal vampire bat thing is gonna at some point have to interact with players to eat
Or ai
Can easily make it so it cant sustain itself on only gore/meat
but yea otherwise extra small stuff is generally bad
Unless its like ambient ai
valid zephyr
the other players essentially don't interact back though. it's why i suggested the upsize of yiqi.
a 400g parasite on a rex is essentially not there, and adds nothing to the other players experience.
it's why i'm also against full aquatics and playable compy/massive sauropods
then again, the new player count is so tiny that using up player slots no longer matters
covert birch
I mean, it can interact with players if that does actually affect the player
Like doing a vampirism thing can slow down healing and stam regen
valid zephyr
it's so far beyond using up player slots that we could add playable insects and it wouldn't change things
so rham might work as a playable tbh
covert birch
Paradym did say today that the 50 player slot wasnt 100% confirmed
So it may possibly increase
covert birch
Maybe the 50 can only be specific on the spiro map
Instead of spero which can go to like 150
valid zephyr
I remember the days when I was asking for playable ava and the community was jumping on me saying it's too small. 
Times have changed a lot.
vestal rune
wasn't the reason people were against playable ava because it would of been very similar to young dibbles and trikes?
covert birch
Thats the main reason i see
frosty igloo
I still want playable "classic AI"
Honestly ever since they added Taco I was like "Gimme' please"
barren zephyr
okay so is suggestions a good place to put merch suggestions too?
because dondi mentioned isle onesies on stream and I want that to actually be a thing so bad
indigo sun
Theres amerch chat i think
#merch-discussion here it is. Generally people talk bout what they want in here
barren zephyr
thank youu
light marlin
What about adding gorgosaurus or daspletosaurus? Different enough from other dinosaurs
pulsar lake
I imagine how creepy it can be with this death. You don't see anything and then shutdown
barren zephyr
I ment that screen to hapen when the jaws are nearly biting u, however due to hitbox i had to crop it like that
pulsar lake
But I think it's a bit too letal. I agree that the death screen should change but this one makes that we look like computer and not animals.
Also we could have a different death screen between nested and spawned animals (nested won't be trackable by humans).
barren zephyr
yes indeed, i made this suggestion for death - screen before we will get kill cam possibly, execution
left nacelle
Yeah I don't really like that death screen. I think we should be able to see our body after we die
barren zephyr
Yes, but not with current state, where it just ragdolls.. thats rather funny than scary
vocal echo
@radiant aspen I think they wanted to make them (the thermal drafts) invisible and you just had to feel, where one is.
left nacelle
@vocal echo The Tenonto has such a long tail because a lot of its attacks revolve around it's tail. The animal looks completely fine to me. I don't see how it ruins immersion
It's tail was also pretty long irl
vocal echo
I get what youre saying, but shortening the tail to a more realistic length wouldnt mean that it cant attack with it anymore. And to me, I feel like the square head is too fictionalized.
left nacelle
But... it had a square head irl. Look at the skeleton
vocal echo
It isn't so damn "tall" though. Dont know how to describe it
No, its rounded at the front.
The Tenonto's model has just that one square angle that bugs me. It looks cartoon-ish
vocal echo
Ok I can see that. But the tail is a no no for me
vocal echo
No thats completely fine, it just looks as though it would be so heavy and imbalanced
left nacelle
But you can see in clips of it that the tail is very thin and light and it literally flops around
vocal echo
Also compare it to your skeleton picture
its not that "tall" on the real animal
(presumably)
do you get what i mean?
left nacelle
But it's a human made animal, it's genetically modified
vocal echo
Thats not an argument
left nacelle
It probably has a big tail like that to help it defend itself easier
Tenonto isn't that big you know
vocal echo
I get that. Its a gameplay choice. But it wouldnt hurt to just make it a bit thinner and maybe shorter and just give it the same power. nobody would complain
left nacelle
I think people would complain. A lot of people love the long tail
vocal echo
I can live with it just staying like this. But what I really fear is, that the next dinosaurs will be so fictionalized too. And I know its the aim of the game kinda, but then really do it on all animals not just the new ones.
left nacelle
But we've literally seen the concepts for the next dinosaurs. They aren't fictionalized. They aren't accurate, but they're still realistic enough that they seem like plausible animals
Which I think is the point
left nacelle
Why?
vocal echo
like what the fuck is that thing on its neck
random imp
Nah, the Tenonto is fine, is not supposed to be realistic, is an experiment, a lab created abomination. So its fine with exagerated characteristics like the tail.
left nacelle
It's a dewlap
vocal echo
@random imp what? then every other dinosaur would have to look slightly off too. thats what i was saying. dont use this as an argument "duhu its human made". yeah the other animals too, they dont look this heavily "off" / fictionalized either
left nacelle
A lot of them do actually
vocal echo
yeah but it doesnt connect back up with the body on magy
left nacelle
It doesn't connect with the body cause it hangs down
random imp
How are they not fictionalized? Have you seen the Utah?
vocal echo
@random imp With the Utah I think its fine, because its a choice that they didnt use feathers and I think it over all fits the whole "jp dinosaur type thing"
No all the ones in Survival right now are absolutely believable
and dont stand out
random imp
Trikes are fictionalized, Gigas are, Rexes, even the damn Spino
vocal echo
They still look reasonably accurate to me
and i dont mean realistic
but they dont look like a cartoon horse either
random imp
@random imp With the Utah I think its fine, because its a choice that they didnt use feathers and I think it over all fits the whole "jp dinosaur type thing"
@vocal echo lol still is fictionalized...
left nacelle
Have you seen this video _lm? https://www.twitch.tv/thedondi/clip/SmokyJazzyRatStrawBeary
random imp
Meh, i actually love the long tail
vocal echo
yeah i was watching the stream
I mean the animations are still rough so maybe itll look better when they blend
left nacelle
Yeah i do think the trot looks a little eh
vocal echo
maybe thisll all turn out better than I think
left nacelle
But Tenonto looks great imo. The long tail gives it something unique
vocal echo
Yeah I think I can agree now that I think about it.
I think I just needed to see it up closer
left nacelle
Plus a lot of animals in the game have exaggerated traits. Carno, Allo, and Giga all have exaggerated crests/horns
left nacelle
And Herrera neck flap
vocal echo
But that little "corner" type thing on the tail still bugs me
on tenonto
like under the tail that one angle
left nacelle
That's cause of it's pelvic bone
random imp
That its his bone
left nacelle
All birds irl and most dinosaurs in the game have really obvious hip bones
It would if there were no feathers there
Well, depending on the bird
vocal echo
why would one bone make the whole tail structure go out like that
make it more roundish
I think all the harsh edges are whats annoying me
left nacelle
Because the bone protrudes out and it helps support the tail
vocal echo
It doesnt look organic anymore
just make it like on the picture
more roundish
easy
random imp
left nacelle
All the animals in the game have that little jagged but there. It's their hip bone. The other animals' bone in between their legs, Tenonto's is further back because that's where it's center of gravity is
If you look at any therapod (and some herbivores) in game, you'll notice that jagged bit between their legs. Even modern birds have it
vocal echo
I have not noticed this straight up "edge" on any other dinosaur model
its not as extreme
like you cant tell me that that "thing" on the tenonto isn't far more extreme than on any other dinosaur model. you cant. Its really visible
left nacelle
It's really visible because it isn't between the legs
I thin kit's fine because a straight, normal tail would look boring imo
and it would probably look striange
vocal echo
"boring" isnt whats im portant here at all. its about not making that thing look like a straight up "model" but to make it feel like a dinosaur
its not just more visible, its a fucking straight edge and it doesnt look right at all
please look at your own provided picture
there is no corner like that at all
Mhh
If I look at the clip it doesnt look as extreme as in the model
maybe thats a conclusion for me
ingame looks always differnet i guess
left nacelle
In every picture i see, it doesn't look like like a straight edge
left nacelle
Are you talking about the tail or the face?
It feels like you keep jumping back and forth
vocal echo
this
vocal echo
maybe i dont know how to say it in english
left nacelle
You can see in the pic I posted that it is literally curved
It doesn't come out to a point
vocal echo
thats why i said, maybe ingame its different
left nacelle
Yeah it's just the model that looks like that. That's the model, so it's gonna look more rigid
vocal echo
because that is an inengine render i believe
left nacelle
The picture I posted is a picture with ingame lighting
You can see how much more rigid it is in your picture compared to mine
vocal echo
yeah. Then I can say, that I have changed my mind on the Tenonto ingame as a whole.
Thank you for taking the time to explain it to me
left nacelle
You're welcome! 
vocal echo
In the end I just really really fucking love this game and I couldnt be more happy with the progress they are making
left nacelle
Same. This is my favorite game of all time at the moment
vocal echo
Its hard to stay calm when waiting so long sometimes, but it seems closer than ever right now 
left nacelle
@coarse canyon Or.. you could just do what the devs are already gonna do and make it hard to survive as an apex
vocal echo
In general there is already far better solutions to the problem in the suggestions channel than that
left nacelle
Yeah
indigo sun
Make it so anyone is able to choose an apex but not everyone can survive to be an adult. Restricting it to nesting kinda sucks ass for players who just want to grow on their own and not deal with being a hatchling
left nacelle
^^^^
It also makes it even easier to overrun servers as apexes. Because every apex hatched from the nest will be in a group with the others hatched from the nest
vocal echo
yeah. there was also a suggestion, where you would have to play 2 other dinos to full adult in order to get your hands on an apex. thats good balance imo
@rotund panther now how do you want to determine who wins in that scenario?
since every dino will be full adult someday, if two same stat things fight against each other, who would win in a stat based fight?
indigo sun
I did like that idea but I wasnt a fan of being locked out of your apex if you lost one of your other adult dinos
If they do go the unlocking route it should be you grow a low and a mid tier and then you're good to grow and play an apex whenever
vocal echo
agreed
also what the fuck does @coarse canyon mean with "female person"? so only a girl could chose an apex? what type of weird fantasy is that man living in
indigo sun
Maybe the person can only choose female or some shit?
But that wpuldnt work because youll need a male to nest too
vocal echo
i really dont know what he ment
coarse canyon
No no
Female dino .... that can Nest in others sorry
So not a good idea... how should we solve the apex problem then ? ... any ideas 
Fellow suggesters
indigo sun
Legit have the cap be natural like the devs want. Make it actually hard to get to adult as an apex
valid zephyr
Weird how the unpronate the wrists suggestion is so unpopular.
would look so much better and more natural if it held them properly
rotund panther
@vocal echo For paras and rexes will be about who get the others ones Health to critical/deadly first or ones stamina gets to zero. The rexes bite and hold ones head drastically reduce the opponents health but should also reduce once owns stamina fast(more a “winning move”). For trikes will the loser be who gets the stamina to zero first. The speed to lose stamina could depend who is the healthiest(hunger, thirst, comfort, health), perks and maybe a paper, stone, scissor mechanic
vocal echo
ah i see
rotund panther
The ceratopsians I think is the easiest to fix a such mechanic
Just butting, meanwhile the others is more difficult
Ofc the perks and comfort will be a mechanic which I think should than be a factor who wins
And the one who is most skilled
@vocal echo If there are any more questions I am happy to explain. I know it was a bad description
pale sorrel
@barren zephyr I agree that the dinosaur simply ragdolling may remove the horror aspect, but I personally wouldn't go for the "system shutdown" effect that you suggested. Maybe something similar. Maybe if the screen just went blacker and blacker, and maybe if it got blurry too until it's just all black, the sounds slowly fade away and after like 3 seconds or so the dinosaur selection screen slowly fades in. I would personally like something like that a lot more, and I think it would be more realistic. I mean, I haven't ever died IRL so I can't say for sure.
barren zephyr
Yes
left nacelle
@rotund panther What purpose would that have? I think I understand the suggestion, but I don't really see the point in it
rotund panther
More a smooth interation instead of running in circles, get behind ones tail and biting/kicking/stabbing
Cinematic i feel
left nacelle
I still don't understand
I think I'm even more confused now tbh lol
Like... what do you mean "dismissed from a herd/pack"?
rotund panther
Oooh, thogh u meant the earlier suggestion lol
left nacelle
Nah, I mean the most recent one lol
rotund panther
Lol, I am after the option for the pack/herd leader to make a decision to invite the player, tolerate the player to be around or reject its invite so the player needs to leave for a brief of time
left nacelle
Hmm. I still don't really see the point of that. I could see pack/herd leaders being the only ones who can invite people being a thing, but I don't think there's a need for the whole comfort thing
Like sure it would be more realistic, but i think it could be a little annoying from a gameplay perspective
rotund panther
I can see that. But I think the debuff should be a mechanic to tell the rejected player to leave the herd/pack and the comfort could be one. After the player have leaved the area, maybe 100 meters radius the debuff is enabled and the player can than go back
Maybe not time based but distance instead
left nacelle
They just seems unnecessary to me. Cause then you just have to run away to get rid of the debuff and that's it. It's just a chore
barren zephyr
I dont like the concept of a "comfort" system, I dont want this game to copy anything from Beasts of Bermuda, espceially as I really dont care for that game
left nacelle
If the game did add comfort, that doesn't mean they'd be copying from BoB
barren zephyr
it doesnt add anything to the game
rotund panther
Then mixpacking will be a thing, between carnivores and herbiea
left nacelle
They actually were considering a comfort-like system, but newer systems that are coming will invalidate it
Mixpacking won't be a thing, they have things in mind to stop that
barren zephyr
its complete unnecessary and not interesting
rotund panther
The comfort does not need to be reduced drastically so you need to run so it becomes deadly
Just slow so you can walk out if wanted
rotund panther
Maybe not for hebies maybe but for carnivores
You do not want a stranger meat eater among one, it may be friendly first and request to be part and to rejected tell it you dont want it to be near the pack
left nacelle
You could just tell them you don't want them near tho
barren zephyr
thats why you just kill it
left nacelle
If they don't respect that, they get killed
barren zephyr
still zero point of comfort system
left nacelle
That's how animals work irl. If there's an outsider, they try to convince them to leave, if they don't leave, they get attacked
rotund panther
Without making sound?
left nacelle
Animals will usually do some sort of threatening behavior to make the outsider leave
rotund panther
Just body reading by rejecting its requeat
barren zephyr
This a game tho and this only makes it less appealing, you dont want to attract more attention by making sound
You just only kill
left nacelle
Lets say you have a pride of lions and a new male walks up. The leading male will try to get the new male to leave, if that doesn't work, the new male gets attacked until it gives up or dies
It can work the exact same way in game
A new utah walks up, you don't want it in your group, so you 3 call. If it doesn't leave, you attack
barren zephyr
Also keep in mind, not everyone plays on "Semi-Realistic" servers
alot of us hate complicated rules and just want to have fun killing
not RP
and comfort system would only confine our fun
rotund panther
Just a suggestion and we got an answer, its bad. Sometimes it sounds better in the head
I do not want written rules, that is just hard but natural rules like the comfort
left nacelle
Yeah you gotta have natural things to control player behavior
Want less apexes? Make it harder to survive as one
rotund panther
Mmhmm
rotund panther
Or starve them out
But fun addition is to have a territory mechanic for apexs carnivores which makes competionen
barren zephyr
Unnecessary, people already do that naturally. They patrols areas where they like to grow and where AI is more apt for spawning
left nacelle
Yeah, a territory system is unnecessary and would probably be hard to manage
barren zephyr
I think Dondi has some thoughts on already how he wants to handle Elder system
left nacelle
Yeahhh
rotund panther
Probably
left nacelle
Yeah that's being fixed
barren zephyr
Yeah, hes openly said that apexes wont be playable for awhile in release of first patch of recode
so people are more in mindset and comfortable with only playing small to medium dinos
rotund panther
Yea, getting the opportunity to play the tenento and utha
left nacelle
He also said it'll be harder to grow apex when they are added
rotund panther
Would be scary not to be able toplay the apexes, constent fear that their is something bigger
barren zephyr
He did say that we will be forced to move in order to maintain proper growth so we cant afk grow
idk what he in mind for making Apexes to harder to grow exactly but till be interesting and I hope not too oppressive and hard
rotund panther
I like that mechanic. Encourage the players to do tasks etc
Apexes maybe prefers some prey which makes them grow faster than others or parenting gets a bonus growth rate on their babies
left nacelle
Well we won't be forced to move. But if you try to afk grow it'll take 2-3x longer than normal so it isn't worth it
rotund panther
No one wants that
left nacelle
And all carnivores will have a preferred prey. Eating that prey will make you grow faster
No one wants what?
barren zephyr
Not actualaly forced, not what I meant
rotund panther
I mean longer groth rate. Which is good mechanic to get players to do something
left nacelle
It'll only take longer than normal to grow if you afk grow
barren zephyr
by forced I meant, encouraged to move by mechanics to to allow them to grow faster rather than taking 2-3x longer
left nacelle
But if herbivores don't eat their preferred food they'll be punished for it
Well that isn't exactly forced lol
more encouraged
rotund panther
But encourage players to do
barren zephyr
if you want to grow, you do want to move around
left nacelle
Yeah
rotund panther
I am hyped
left nacelle
So are a good 80% of the 40k+ people in this discord lol
barren zephyr
dont get too hyped, long road ahead waiting lol
rotund panther
Middly hyped
left nacelle
Well EVRIMA is most likely gonna be out in the next month
rotund panther
Hopefully, if there arnt any unexpected suprises
strange wave
am i the only one that likes @cobalt compass suggestion?
covert birch
Im a fan of slots, but i dont like the idea of losing my 7 hr grow b/c i swapped to another animal
cobalt compass
risk/reward
covert birch
There is no reward to that
Your other slot is just completely fucked
While you grow an animal
cobalt compass
nope
indigo sun
its not a reward to lose your dino to chance just because you decided to play something else
covert birch
^
cobalt compass
aye
indigo sun
at that point, the shit's the point of having slots? you're still killing your animal off to switch to something else
covert birch
Limited slots imo is best way to go
You have X amount of slots and diff dinos cost diff amounts of slots
So an apex can cost 90% of your slots while a utah costs like 20
cobalt compass
i wrote specifically that there is a chance, not that your dino is dead for granted