I thought the current theory was that it looked like a different monitor
#general-feedback-discussion
honest sparrow
barren zephyr
oh so a big stocky lizard then?
@barren zephyr it was the biggest lizard to ever live
And it was venomous
honest sparrow
hold on brb
barren zephyr
yes i know war imeant as in did it look like a thin nile monitor or was it more muscly like komodo
@barren zephyr definitely muscular, considering it was chasing down giant wombats and fighting marsupial lions
honest sparrow
not as muscly as a komodo iirc, at least in terms of relative body mass
still muscly
barren zephyr
hmm ok thank you
I'm giving an expert opinion, it was a big lizard therefore definitely muscular
oh war you know argentavis yes? i have this article making some good points in favor of argentavis being like a caracara a large eagle who walked alot but could have quick take offs
@barren zephyr largest bird to ever live an native to south America, and lived alongside titanoboa
would you like to see the article, and it's the one that live in north america with saber tooths and megatherium
@barren zephyr no It lived in south America
honest sparrow
pretty sure argen came after titano
the one in NA is teratornis or something like that
barren zephyr
ohhh ok
@honest sparrow i can't remember off the top of my head if it lived alongside titanoboa
honest sparrow
iirc titano lived in the early cenozoic, maybe the paleocene, and argen came in the miocene
barren zephyr
argentavis went extinct 6 million years ago, titano was like 50 to 60 mill
honest sparrow
yeah
honest sparrow
aight, forgot to mention it earlier but this turned into a #paleotalk moment
barren zephyr
oof yeah
want to return to general then?
@barren zephyr pretty good, a lot of useful stuff in there
yeah no prob, so what do you think of argen?
I think it's a bird
anyways wanna go to general?
Nah man, this Kitty needs to jump into the shower
rare bramble
uhhh I don't think this game is supposed to have any cenozoic era in a Mesozoic era game
left nacelle
@rare bramble The game takes place in modern times. Megalania has been talked about, and it isn't Mesozoic
@dapper obsidian Everything will have trample damage. If a Utah runs over a Compy, it will die
rare bramble
oh I never knew megalania will be a thing
but having terror birds in this game is a bit iffy
left nacelle
Yeah. Terror birds would probably be like a mixture of Galli and Utah. Not very unique
lone ember
Lizzard, kinda funky, but ewww
pulsar lake
I'm for keeping replay in order to do good screens and not shitty ones.
untold wharf
Too many people get away with rule breaking. Needs to be enforced. It has to be. Growing a Dino for 8 hours and losing it to a degenerate is disgusting.
Especially when there’s no repremandment
zenith onyx
yes very much so. replays need to stay but can understand why they would remove it at the same time. the game isn't really supposed to be fair...
candid badger
if the game "isn't supposed to be fair" I'm gonna find another game to play lmAO
valid zephyr
add rats which eat your eggs if you afk for too long.
pulsar lake
Nah, not rats. Monitor lizards are better !
covert birch
While i do see the benefits of the replay system, with how Dondi said the game was going (mechanics taking the place of rules), I doubt the replay system will be needed, or commonly used a good majority of the time
Plus the issue with people using replay to scout out the area exists
Nah, not rats. Monitor lizards are better !
Neither rats nor monitor lizards
just have ai compys do it, they are just as large and wiley
cobalt compass
^ aye, and the are already inplemented and "ready to go"
also to @zenith onyx suggestion about the deathscreen with stats and who killed you... afaik dondi dont want such system as he said in one of hemis streams
zenith onyx
ah k
random imp
a screen that show who killed you and leaderboard/ kills and shit 'd only create problems
ebon tiger
it would encourage vigilantism or player-targeting
both of which are not survival-positive
paper oriole
Damn it was only a matter of time until somebody put new spino in suggestions
willow zealot
candid badger
@covert birch there are no mechanics in an online game that can stop toxic people
covert birch
There are multiple mechanics that can stop rulebreaks
Mass killing for example is stopped by new stam prevlance in combat
corpse guarding herbis with vomit systems
Etc
candid badger
that will stop nothing lol, have you played beasts of bermuda
strange wave
see that has a way to counter the punishment
candid badger
the only way to make the servers safer is a way to have proof and steam ids of rulebreakers
strange wave
which is why some of the mechanics in bob are very very bad and stopping rulebreaking
such as herds providing the comfort that being near a corpse takes away
covert birch
it will
Lets say I a rex found a para herd
I cant just run through the paras due to collision and i wont have the stam to kill em all since by the time i kill one using grapples n such
The rest would have ran away and i wont be able to chase em
By the time utahs use their stam to pounce down a maia
The rest escape
candid badger
you and I both know it would not work that way
covert birch
How would it not exactly work that way
if ya dont have the stamina to keep killin shit
How will mass killing be possible
candid badger
because there's already stam. in bob you have a limited amount of bites you can do as well, doesn't stop people from jumping into a group of people nesting and killing all of them
besides mass killing is not the only rule servers have
covert birch
weve been told your main form of damage wont be regular bites
Itll be actually grabbing and getting a hold of stuff
And collision will stop people from just running in a group and killing em all
candid badger
again that will not stop rulebreakers
covert birch
How will it not stop rulebreakers
Im not talking about limited bites n such as bob
Im talkin, youll need to stop and grapple someone to get the kill
During this time, the others should gtfo
If they stay they deserve to die
candid badger
are you saying the only way in the isle after recode drops to kill is to grab something, no other way, are trikes going to grab you?
covert birch
Im talking for carnis generally
candid badger
I'm talking rulebreakers lol
covert birch
Im talkin rulebreaking carnis
Since ya used trike,
Imo if your dumb enough to be caught by a trike ya deserve to die
Literally the slowest animal in the game
covert birch
I mean if you actually allow a trike of all thigns to kill you imo ya kinda deserve it
Like literally there is no excuse to be caught by a trike other than ya were healing
And even then, choose a better spot to heal so ya can hide
paper oriole
Trike can chase down some juvies or a stamless rex that can facetank it anyway
candid badger
^ doesn't matter either way, their entire argument falls apart when you consider there are rules beyond "mass killing"
covert birch
Juvis can use new brush n such to their advantage and hide
Plus all juvis are getting faster
candid badger
and they ain't even considering herbivores or things that won't grapple
covert birch
Aimie, the grapple and mass killing were examples
covert birch
Like hell lets look at other common rules
Body down: Already mostly avoidable if you actually run away when danger prevents itself,
Corpse Guarding Herbis: Vomit System
Animals who run people down and kill em for no reason (good example being maia/galli): Many possible ideas have been given for reworks to prevent this
Mass Killing: New stamina systems, For carnis specifically: grappling/pouncing
cobalt compass
excuse me, aimie, what is your point in saying that the new mechanics dont prevent RB?
*curios
candid badger
it's in relation to my suggestion that I'd like to have the replay system kept in evrima
cobalt compass
but the new mechanics have great potential to reduce said dipshit
candid badger
of course, not arguing that. like body denial in water is completely gone. but there will be rulebreakers in abundance no matter what
covert birch
I dont see the abundance part
Ofc there will be rulebreakers
But common ones i doubt it
candid badger
it's an online game
cobalt compass
aye, lets see what happens
paper oriole
Depends on the server too
covert birch
Yes an online game, with things ingame to prevent a majority of rulebreaks
cobalt compass
maybe there are systems we're not aware of/not been told yet
paper oriole
With servers with stupid ass rules like aggro circles and 3 call hunts yeah the new shit probably wont fix it
But official rules will be covered mostly
covert birch
I mean officials are basically how the games meant to be played
cobalt compass
thats bs anyway
^^
covert birch
Yea most of that shit is bs
candid badger
it really doesn't matter what you think about the rules in other servers, and if the devs wanna drop support for the other servers (aka a lot of their player base) then 👀 doesn't seem too smart to me
paper oriole
I hope those servers have a hard time with rulebreakers because their rules are bs, only official rules really matter
candid badger
people enjoy playing with those rules
covert birch
I dont really see a majority of unofficial rules staying ingame anyways
Especially stuff like body down and 3 call to hunt
cobalt compass
yup
covert birch
Like hell with negatives to cannibalism body down at least for same species will have to be gone
cobalt compass
sure we need some sort of recording, iirc dondi said that it maybe come back, but far far down the list
candid badger
literally my only suggestion is it's kept in place because it's done only good so far
covert birch
not really
candid badger
and after playing on a game without it, with similar mechanics, it super sucked
covert birch
People have used recordings to scout
cobalt compass
but current rec is also bs
covert birch
Current recording to very broken
covert birch
Ide rather scrap it all, and restart it in the distant future
Cuz currently there are multiple issues with it mainly being scouting and how buggy the recording is rn
cobalt compass
my opinion, your opinion and blues opinion...
candid badger
without it, admins have like, Nothing to go on for reports
cobalt compass
all fine
covert birch
Without it admins will be fine cuz reports wont be common at all due to new systems
Bye
indigo sun
people could always use shit like obs if theyre so worried about rulebre4aks
covert birch
nah obs lags the game if ya gotta shitty pc
cobalt compass
i'll wait for whats coming...
what else can you do either...?🤷♂️
mighty girder
With ptera coming, the excuse of getting rid of replays due to scouting is kinda bs
if anyone wanted to scout theyd just use ptera
covert birch
Iirc dondi mentioned they gonna do somethin to stop ptera scoutin
left nacelle
I won't what they'll do to stop it 
covert birch
PRolly make dinosaur render distance change when ya x height
left nacelle
I feel like that would hinder Ptera's ability to scavenge tho
mighty girder
the point still stands blue
covert birch
It wouldnt if ya trade it for sniff
left nacelle
True. But that would also be immersion breaking. Flying up and suddenly you can't see any dinosaurs
covert birch
Plus pteras main source of food will be fish
mighty girder
Could just as easily make it so replay has the same render rules and doesnt record an entire island of anything that moves or calls
covert birch
Replay does have similar render rules, still used for scouting
covert birch
Kinda
left nacelle
Replay only records within 1 km of the person recording
covert birch
^
mighty girder
last I played, anything that moved or called got recorded
even if they were far away
left nacelle
Anything beyond 1 km just doesn't get recorded
I remember that being said in the patch notes when it first got added
But 1 km is pretty far tbf
covert birch
Oh yea 100% reduce it
mighty girder
could prob do a pretty small circle around the player and it'd work for reports and for people trying to capture highlights in the game
covert birch
But that wasnt even my main arguement for not needing replay
My main thing was that its uneeded due to new systems
left nacelle
I remember recording on Region 2 at crater lake (I think?) and I could see a Pue in the recording at Spawn lake
mighty girder
The new systems only cover official rules
left nacelle
Which is like 2/3 of the way across the map
mighty girder
and official rules are not the only rules people enjoy playing
covert birch
They dont tho scarlet
new systems can affect other rules without being made to affect those rules
mighty girder
abandoning servers people enjoy for no reason isn't a good PR move for a game thats kinda rough on the edges right now
better to just meet a middle ground
covert birch
Like a great example is the whole stam system thing
They wanted to improve combat as a whole while doing that, but it also helps stop rulebreaks such as mass killin
And when affinity was planned also was meant to help stop these rulebreaks n such even if those rulebreaks werent rulebreaks on officials
Like the systems main reason isnt being added to prevent em
But as a side thin they actually do
mighty girder
Affinity isn't coming anymore though, and yes, the system changes will help with some but not all
covert birch
A good majority have been wiped out
Like hell main rules i dont see being covered are the already bs ones
mighty girder
And what you consider bs some might consider necessary to enjoy the game
covert birch
While that is true
These rules generally hinder more people then help
Good example being the whole 3 call to be able to attack
mighty girder
Im just saying, if the solution is as simple as reducing the render and the feature serves more then just a moderation aid for admins, getting rid of it seems over the top
covert birch
I mean im just saying its mostly uneeded
But a reworked replay system is fine
Like personally i want them to use the replay system as a method for people to create content for youtube n such
mighty girder
it can serve both functions
really it just needs some tlc
No idea if it'd be possible, but if they made it so first x hours a clip was saved it only showed things within line of sight and then after that timeframe it opened up to show more that could work
that way people can use it to catch rulebreaks for the various servers, content creators can use it too
and it cant be used for scouting really because the render is super limited and by the time it opened itd be useless for that purpose
or actually
covert birch
Imo ya should only have access to a clip once ya die
mighty girder
ehh
wouldnt solve the issue of the people that run through people biting them randomly then run off even if they killed someone
and then the servers that block that have no way of combating it
unless someone just
yeets off a cliff
covert birch
wouldnt solve the issue of the people that run through people biting them randomly then run off even if they killed someone
I mean collision is solving that issue of run through and bit randomly
mighty girder
honest to god forgot collision was even coming
indigo sun
@cunning coral any actual suggestions or are you just spouting nonsense in any channel you want to
left nacelle
@cunning coral Joke suggestions can get you banned
left nacelle
left nacelle
@crimson galleon Dondi already said no to that because rendering each individual scar on every anima on the map would be very perforance heavy
@golden terrace Diving in water will always have fall damage. It would be unrealistic if it didn't
Also, ya might not wanna upvote your own suggestion
left nacelle
@lapis wasp Isn't that... kinda the point of the juvenile stage?
lapis wasp
i mean by hatchlings i meant to say before they go hunting with their parents sorry for the confusion or anything
pulsar lake
I love your suggestion @ashen elm ! I would like so much to see small ecosystems in rivers that interact and are really alive!
I would like so much to stay in water as Spinosaurus and see the little aquatic world living, moving, feeding, hunting, reproducing 
rare bramble
@warped garden what do you mean by flat earth
blazing charm
@left nacelle That's so easy to slip around, as long as someone lies about actually reading the rules, what you're proposing is basically void.
blazing charm
There we go, that I can agree with.
indigo sun
<@&401466542140817419> #general-feedback "dino sex"
valid zephyr
ah damn I missed it. Needed a laugh today.
honest sparrow
same
plush coyote
Curious what people think of the idea of Deino mud cakes
slow stream
plush coyote
When crocs roll in mud, the mud dries itself onto the croc
it actually helps them stay hidden and hydrated
leaden cargo
plush coyote
Duckweed wouldn't do the same thing
Mud would favor when the water was very low
creating a sort of..extra skin. It would be a great environmentally sensitive camo
frosty igloo
That sound cool
paper oriole
i swear i've seen bushes respawn without resets
covert birch
they do but it takes a while
cobalt compass
i think i saw it one time after ~3h or so
but again, im scrolling through the ideas and like more of the half of them is a repost of someone else or already ages ago confirmed/debunked... sigh why do ppl not read...?
left nacelle
@proud bison Dondi did mention Apex AI in the past
last remnant
Once more server choices are available, I bet there will be more options like what you are talking about
I meant to say server settings, sorry not feeling well brain sort of meh
Or when mods are available too you probably can create a mod that does this exact thing.
paper oriole
I dont think the option for apexes should be outright gone (after the no apex time period with recode drop at least), it should just be hard enough to grow them to limit their numbers snd servers can disable them
Would drive away some players if they couldnt play apex, as obnoxious as apex mains can be, the choice should still be there
left nacelle
@thorny crag Looks fine imo. Remember, tenonto's only the size of a large cow
thorny crag
@left nacelle if a cow does this jumpy thing it would go down more with its front legs. I grew up with cows xD
"would do" since they don't make jumps like these
otherwise if teno would be a very stiff walker like wildebeests they probs not
left nacelle
The tenonto's head almost hits the ground, it goes down so far
thorny crag
yea I watched the animation many times and only the front legs are what kinda make it look it has less weight for its size
raising the head to adjust that would be no problem I think but idk it looks good anyways
left nacelle
Well considering how fast it jumps back up, it probably pushes upwards before it hits the ground, which would explain why the legs don't bend to much
thorny crag
yea true
muscles would be amazing but that would kill the performance and would take ages to animate
left nacelle
Yeahhh
covert birch
@thorny crag dondi already said that there wont be an auto walk
left nacelle
@thorny crag Dondi said you'll be able to hold down alt to get a free cam. So you can hold w to walk, and if you hold alt at the same time, you can look around without changing the direction you're walking
paper oriole
Soothing hot springs to help healing sounds nice but you know those places would be camped by packs/herds to make them unusable to others unless something is put in place to stop it
left nacelle
It wouldn't be camped by herds because they need to migrate and find food with the new diet system
And it wouldn't be camped by packs because they need to hunt, and you can't abuse it cause you need to lay in it for at least 30 seconds without being damaged in order to start healing
@paper oriole
paper oriole
@golden terrace plant variety (with preferred diets) is already coming.
Also upvoting your own suggestion 
golden terrace
@left nacelle How is diving into water without fall damage unrealistic?
opaque blaze
Have you planked into a swimming pool?
paper oriole
Water will act as a hard surface from high enough
golden terrace
Well sure High enough but in the isle rn you jump in from like 5 feet you break your leg
paper oriole
Until the surface is broken it can hurt like fuck or even rupture your body from a high fall
golden terrace
I'm talking about improvement, not a total makeover
opaque blaze
Just jump into a pool with a large profile
paper oriole
Better fall resist in water could be nice just not like jumping off the top of canyon into a river or something
opaque blaze
It hurts like SoaB
golden terrace
Exactly
covert birch
the issue is the animals can postition themselves into a shape where falling into the water would do less damage
golden terrace
But rn its really broken
opaque blaze
I think anything larger than a Carno jumping from 6ft will break at least some ribs
golden terrace
I just want to be able to fall into water from not tooo high and walk out fine
Anything larger than a carno is gonna be pretty strong m8. I think it can handle 6ft
covert birch
The issue isnt that they are strong
Its just that their legs prolly cant handle their body weight when falling certain distances
Hell animals above a certain sizes cant technically sprint
Since sprinting is considered when while running ya have at least a small moment of airtime
paper oriole
And even if they could land a 6ft drop initially, momentum could make the stumble forward and the weight snaps their ankle
opaque blaze
I mean something jumping into water from 6ft. Dinos can't really dive
Or they'd topple over and fracture their ribs and jaw
paper oriole
Guess it depends on the angle they fall in, if their legs or tail broke the surface they might not take as much damage to their body
Specifics like that would probably be too much of a pain in the ass to code tho so there'd be set distances probably
opaque blaze
That'd still leave the torso and head. But you're probably right about the coding
covert birch
@sick quest both dilo/troodon are gonna be getting venom
The devs know its not realistic but realism takes a back seat in this game so it dont matter
indigo sun
Venom provides aneat variety in hunting and mechanics. Even if it's not entirely accurate it's better for the game than makong everything boring and the same
For the second part of your suggestion though, most dinosaurs are getting changed to their largest known sizes
opaque blaze
I mean, look at what they plan for Spoon. If they were going for accurate they'd do that one a whole lot different
indigo sun
Accuracy can be boring in a game like this sometimes
opaque blaze
With venom, yes. Spoon could be interesting
indigo sun
New spino could be interesting but old spino before we knew about that sick tail was just kinda funky looking and that was it
left nacelle
@golden terrace Sorry for the late reply. It's unrealistic because if you fall from high up and hit water, it's gonna hurt unless you're able to pierce the water. I don't think it should break your leg, but it should do damage unless you're an aquatic animal, like Beipao or Austro
paper oriole
We covered it with him lol
left nacelle
@sick quest The game isn't meant to be accurate. The animals in game aren't the same animals as irl. They're human made animals that are named after the animals from real life
So they technically aren't dinosaurs
paper oriole
The water surface impact stuff, it was really about being able to fall further in water than land, not jumping from really high which would fuck you up
left nacelle
Oooh
indigo sun
If you want complete accuracy this is not the game for you
sick quest
Ok then why not make them look completely different? That’s kind of a dumb take on it in my opinion. Dang you think you find a good realistic game but it’s completely not.
left nacelle
No one every said it was realistic. The utahraptor is literally naked
left nacelle
Because the animals are based off their real life counterparts
That's not a good way to look at it
indigo sun
Theres not entirely realistic but grounded in reality and then theres the bullshit you just said
paper oriole
How is that even a comparison lol
indigo sun
You at least know theres gonna be humans in the game right?
covert birch
Best way to put is that realism will be taking a backseat in this game
THe animals resemble their IRL counterparts, but mechanically can function differently
Hell utah was much more rexlike in behavior irl
left nacelle
The animals aren't meant to be the exact same as the dinosaurs irl, but they're still realistic enough to be plausible animals, which imo is harder to do than just making them accurate
sick quest
Things Like no feathers are acceptable. It would be nice to have something simple and realistic like that
How do you know that blue dragon my?
opaque blaze
The feathers are being added
honest sparrow
what happened here?
covert birch
Thats the theorys smore
sick quest
There is no way to know dinosaurs behaviors 100%
left nacelle
@honest sparrow Smores is complaining that dinosaurs aren't realistic even though they're human made animals that arent meant to be realistic
honest sparrow
my brain took the fattest shit
left nacelle
sick quest
I wasn’t complaining. I was suggesting something that I’d like. I though that’s what that these channels were for. Idk why you had to keep coming for me
sick quest
Not all of you
sick quest
It wasn’t a complaint
indigo sun
Hey smores if you're gonna say something bout venom being unrealistic , should also say something about utah's wrists and the new survival spino design too
left nacelle
It was a complaint tho. You literally said it's a "dumb take on it"
sick quest
Those are on completely different scales @indigo sun not every feather has to be perfectly placed
And it wasn’t complaining
@left nacelle I was stating my opinion not complaining.
indigo sun
I didnt say shit about feathers... utah's wrists are pronated in its new version and spino doesnt look like what most people consider a spino.
sick quest
I never said you said anything about feathers
sick quest
It’s ok. I think the new spino looks more scientifically real than the older one. Small things like that in my opinion aren’t super important and like things can be fixed like size or prevented like poison/venom
left nacelle
But why can't dilo or troodon have venom?
indigo sun
Venom is a mechanic that allows for more diversity in hunting styles and i dont see any reason why we should deny ourselves more than those basic bitchass theropods when we could have fun
honest sparrow
lemme get a spino pic real quick
paper oriole
There's no way to “know 100%” that dilo or troodon didnt excrete venom with their saliva either similar to varanids is there now?
sick quest
Because it isn’t scientific. The game can do whatever he wants. I would just like it with no venom. They are suggestions not
Commands
left nacelle
But why don't you want venom?
sick quest
They would need to be modifications in teeth and snout to be able to inject and produce venom. That’s how scientists are able to know if an animal had venom or not
opaque blaze
Why wouldn't venom be scientific? The colours aren't scientific either
Do varanids or ghilas have special teeth to work the venom?
left nacelle
The troodon as a bit of a big jaw, implying it has venom glands
indigo sun
Whose to say the scientists who made these creatures didnt change their development or whayeber the shit you call it to allow them to have venom
left nacelle
Oh yeah good point gila monsters have pretty normal mouths
sick quest
My opinion is that venom is not realistic. I would like a realistic game. It does sound intriguing and pretty cool to have a new hunting system but I’ve always been A more logical thinker
opaque blaze
Gilas need to chew to work their venom properly as they can't inject it
sick quest
Big jows don’t Implied venom
honest sparrow
I mean, it's not a prehistoric simulation of an ecosystem, it's a survival-horror game with dinosaurs
left nacelle
But why isn't it realistic? You still haven't brought up a good point for why it isn't
sick quest
Already stated that fact
left nacelle
And we brought up gila monster
honest sparrow
yes, some level of realism must be maintained to suspend the disbelief, but it does not have to be 100% accurate
sick quest
@indigo sun It’s not very logical that people would do that you could really come up with crazy ideas of any subjects like that.
indigo sun
You cant say these creatures werent made by scientists to specifically develop a means of using venom. Theyre lab-made animals
sick quest
What the heck! I was just saying my opinion why are you guys coming at me?! This is just what I believe I don’t know why it’s so important to you. It’s an opinion as I’ve stated many times
@honest sparrow It looks pretty similar to me
covert birch
It isnt
opaque blaze
Colours are made up too, and yet I don't hear anyone complaining about that. We can't prove colours in nearly all dinos. Venom from glands would function in the same way
paper oriole
LOL how do those two look similar
covert birch
IRL spino has a larger sail, much smaller limbs, diff tail, diff snout, longer neck
Our spino is closer to JP spino
indigo sun
People actually complain constsntly about colors
sick quest
Anyways. I’m done. These were just opinions. If you can’t handle that then develop some thicker skin
indigo sun
K
honest sparrow
aight then
opaque blaze
covert birch
If ya do want a more realistic game
Just head over to saurian
honest sparrow
waiting for someone to suggest tarbosaurus day 69
paper oriole
If isle monster spino is realistic enough for you then the venom argument just flops
covert birch
But personally i dont see the issue with fictionalizing animals, (who otherwise are just copys of one another) to not make em copies
left nacelle
Especially if they're literally not dinosaurs lore-wise
honest sparrow
bUt GUys oPINion
covert birch
Like gameplay wise
Venom is needed to not make troodon just bigger velo, or to not make dilo just pounceless utahs
Pointing out flaws in an arguement =/= disrespecting opinions
Generally its the people who do think those are the same are the ones who need thicker skin
opaque blaze
I just hope the venom doesn't stack too much so Troodon won't just kill things too big for them
covert birch
A person can like realism n all that
But gameplay wise it aint good exactly
Troodon packs will be killing up to midtiers iirc
honest sparrow
I mean, we gotta maintain some realism, but it's not a simulation game
suspension of disbelief and all that
covert birch
as long as you can recognize it as that animal
idc
Utah you know is utah cuz its a big raptor
Spino you know is spino cuz spine
magy cuz small sauropod
paper oriole
As long as we dont get as bad as JP deinonychus straying away is fine
honest sparrow
in all honesty, if it serves the game well and fits the game aesthetically, I'm fine with the design
covert birch
lurkers doin reacts
daring bramble
covert birch
meh weve all done it
opaque blaze
I think as long as it fits within the suspension of disbelief they'll be fine
noble pine
You also have to remember, spino has to turn into hyper spino
Irl spino just doesn’t fit the hyper model, but isles spino fits the hyper very well.
golden terrace
realism takes a back seat in this game so it dont matter, I heard that from Blue. And going back to my water idea with that same mindset... its a game made to be enjoyable, not realistic. So when taking into consideration, make water fall damage a little further of a height then normal fall damage and it would be a great addition to the game!
covert birch
Reducing fall damage with water in a certain distances can work plenty fine
But imo there should still be large amounts of damage with anything about 6-8 feet (Depending on the dino ofc)
golden terrace
fair enough
left nacelle
I know this conversation is done and over with, but i wanted to add this quick: realism does take a back seat, but I think there's a limit. Like if the devs made all the grass pink and then said that it doesn't matter cause realism takes a back seat, that just doesn't make sense
But I do agree, you should be able to fall further into water than you can on land. But there should still be some damage, which is the problem I had with your original suggestion
honest sparrow
We're most likely getting taco, proto, ava, dibble, styraco, pachyrhino, and trike. I think we're good on ceratopsians
coarse fiber
i have no idea if thats confirmed tho
i really love styraco so i would love yo see it in the game
honest sparrow
styraco is coming down the line iirc
coarse fiber
oh thays neat
left nacelle
Also, just a comment, Tenonto isn't a hadrosaur like Maia, Para, and Shant
honest sparrow
it's an iguanadontid right
left nacelle
I actually don't know, but that does sound right
All I know is it isn't a hadrosaur
Just looked it up, it is an iguanadontid
honest sparrow
yay
left nacelle
mighty girder
I 100% agree, there needs to be some visual detail showing perks
barren zephyr
yeah like how am i supposed to know if that dilo I'm hunting has 20 perks and can 1 shot me lol
covert birch
perks wont be of a manner where they boost power n such iirc
Just quality of life stuff
Growing faster, food drains slower, etc
barren zephyr
If they are than I guess not, but what if they do end up being stat boosted?
covert birch
then yea sure
but would be pretty idiotic to make it stat boosted
cuz that will fuck over new players even more then they are already fucked
and itll fuck over people who go to a new server
covert birch
Not really
mighty girder
that fucks your rough knowledge of how to starve something out
covert birch
Starving people out is generally not a good hunting strat
Unless its like a burrowin dryo
barren zephyr
Yeah same I hope it doesn't end up being like you get better attack, that would be gross, and if it is I just hope there is a way to tell
mighty girder
If they want the game to move away from hurr durr run up and bite stuff like starving people out to make them desperate should and likely would become more prelevant
Im not saying its the best hunting thing
covert birch
Its a strat yes
mighty girder
Just pointing out that a lot of the stuff people are suggesting for perks
covert birch
but i dont see it being prevelant
mighty girder
actually does hurt combat
not as obviously as pure dmg boost
but its still there
covert birch
And all it really does is lengthen combat at most
Which starving out is already a lengthy process you need to plan for
so if its an intelligent group they would prolly handle it well
especially with how dondi just confirmed more ambient ai
Have 1 pack buddy go pick up ai for the rest of the squad, as the rest of the squad surrounds and traps something
stuff of that manner
mighty girder
I wont lie
I really really hate the push for pve based gameplay
its a multiplayer game not a singleplayer game
covert birch
i think its less pve
mighty girder
I wanna play with other people lmfao
covert birch
and more they wanna make the world alive
covert birch
While ya play with others
mighty girder
50 players for an entire map
covert birch
50 players on current thenyaw (if not all in 1 area) fills the map somewhat efficiently already
mighty girder
so it makes me highly concerned
barren zephyr
Hopefully ai will fill up the map, and be at least somewhat smart and enjoyable to hunt and such
covert birch
if ai are actually good i dont see the issue
mighty girder
Its not a singleplayer game, why make ai fill up the map when players can do it
and have it be more interesting because players are and will always be harder to predict then an ai
but anyways going back to the suggestion, if there are any perks that obviously affect combat they definitely need to have visual detail
1000%
covert birch
oh yea 100%
barren zephyr
Yeah just how like we can see a hypo rex is a hypo rex and we need to run from it
safe galleon
@abstract urchin why add walking backwards when you can alt turn?
abstract urchin
because alt turn makes combat very easy for the bigger dino
look at giga
on official
no on fight them other than rex or trike
sonic cloud
covert birch
With animations coming to alt turn speeds will prolly change to fit those anims
And giga wont be a helicopter anymore
abstract urchin
I hope not
cause you can have 15 allos on official and no one would want to fight the giga
lilac swallow
Animals usually prefer turn around over walking backwards, most animals anatomies arent made for backward walking
safe galleon
then you can play on no alt turn
safe galleon
yeah
abstract urchin
@lilac swallow yea your right but look at an elephant
how long does it take it to tube
turn
safe galleon
but what's the problem with alt turn?
lilac swallow
An elephant turns pretty fast
abstract urchin
and look at a giga and how long does it take that to turn with alt
lilac swallow
And also, totally different anatomy
random imp
i think a dinosaur'd not even be able to walk backwards. i've never seen a bird walk backwards for example
safe galleon
giga rn is broken and will be re worked
lilac swallow
Giga's alt turn being way too fast is an exception not the rule
abstract urchin
and I've never seen an animal tilt on it's heel and spin
lilac swallow
and I've never seen an animal tilt on it's heel and spin
Thats just lack of animation
random imp
you know that Alt turn is getting reworked right?
random imp
i don't understand your complaint then
barren zephyr
Def slower for giga, Rex alt speed might be fine
random imp
creatures won't turn in place rotating on their foot anymore
abstract urchin
alt turn takes skill out of the game is what I am saying
random imp
lol not really
abstract urchin
giga
lilac swallow
It doesnt, bigger slower animals obviously should win fights
abstract urchin
no not always
lilac swallow
Why trade speed for power if you are going to lose fights anyway?
The faster animal can allways simply avoid the fight, the slower is forced to fight even if It doesnt want to, its only fair for the slower to be a better fighter
barren zephyr
The only time don't like alt is when hur dur Rex alt spin on your giga and boom bone break ahah you done now
valid zephyr
irl animals can spin on the spot very fast.
isle animals are just missing an animation for it
barren zephyr
Yeah just like how dilo groups can kill gigas on alt too, key word group
abstract urchin
elephant is bigger and stronger but the smaller one can still win
random imp
you can't compare a lion to a rex 
lilac swallow
Lions dont kill elephants on dayly basis, nor most lions manage to do it
abstract urchin
but it can be done
indigo sun
Most lions if they do attempt an elephant go after babies
random imp
or really you can't compare a quadrupedal mammal with a theropod of any kind
lilac swallow
Its also a Game
Slower speed->forced to fight->stronger animal
indigo sun
Oh wait ive got a dondi screenshot i think that might relate to this conversation
Lemme check
lilac swallow
Like 5% of the whole lion population "hunts" elephants
Rex has 30 seconds of stamina
Sucho has 2 whole minutes
abstract urchin
rex has 1 and a half mins of Stan
random imp
an adult elephant breaks lion's spinal cord with a kick
abstract urchin
stam
lilac swallow
33 seconds to be exact
indigo sun
Rex has 33 sec9nds
lilac swallow
Go on and check it
random imp
but again, you can't compare an alephant and a lion to a rex and a sucho
abstract urchin
that's a fresh adult
safe galleon
nope
abstract urchin
the use giga to a saurapod
lilac swallow
Fresh adults and adults have allways the same stam
indigo sun
Theres a stat spreadsheet if youd like to see it. Full adult rex has 33 seconds
abstract urchin
no they don't
barren zephyr
Yes they do lol
lilac swallow
Giga also didnt hunt sauropod on daily basis
indigo sun
lilac swallow
Dude, just logging on a test server with Rex a try to run a whole minute
indigo sun
Where did you get that info?
abstract urchin
isle wiki
lilac swallow
Stamina doesnt change from fresh adult to full adult
IN ANY CASE
safe galleon
LMAO
indigo sun
Dont use the wiki
Both versions are shit
barren zephyr
Isle wiki old news
lilac swallow
Isle wiki? Wheezee
indigo sun
The link i provided has the most up to date stats available
abstract urchin
you say it's old but read it
barren zephyr
Go run with a Rex on a death match server and see for yourself
random imp
man if it's outdated it means it's useless for this argument
lilac swallow
I also said to you that, if you dont trust us to log in on a server a try to run as a Rex more than 33 seconds and you didnt do it
barren zephyr
Put up a timer as well
lilac swallow
Literally rex's whole playstyle is centered about being an asmathic bitch
paper oriole
Rex is based on ambush and breaking limbs to nake up for its stam
indigo sun
Rex has low stam cause it has leg break
paper oriole
It breaka the leg so animals with better stam and speed dont escape from its initial ambush
So its based on ambush, leg break just ties in to it
abstract urchin
just play mid teirs on official and you will see how annoying gigas are
barren zephyr
Yeah bc they have stam
lilac swallow
Everyone knows giga is op
abstract urchin
because you can't fight them and they can trot you down
barren zephyr
Only thing giga can't kill on alt is Rex bc of how it's bone break works on such a large creature
lilac swallow
Twice stam than Rex, not even close to half rex's speed (meaning way more run distance) and a fucking opresive trot that is the 4th fastest
abstract urchin
it take 2 bite for a giga to bleed a rex
safe galleon
isn't it 3 bites?
barren zephyr
Don't matter, if Rex gets bone break it's over
abstract urchin
yea but you gonna be sitting there for 30 mins healing bleed
lilac swallow
Giga's only weak point is Rex, so let Rex be its weaknes until giga stops being so busted
barren zephyr
Agreed
abstract urchin
good trike players can kill gigas
and if turning dinos are supposed to be realistic then turn speed should not be that fast look at a rexes bones and it's leg placement and hips how would a rex turn the way it does in the isle right now
safe galleon
it's being reworked so current alt turn doesn't really matter
lone ember
@broken pollen (firstly , wow, what a name xD)
Secondly, I am not sure how well that would work.
It is a good idea at the core! But I think the respawning from drones per Queen could be a bit over powered and over power the server.
Since it would have to generate a lot in rather short time (At least i think so).
opaque blaze
I think Titanomyra might still be too small for that. It could maybe make life hell for Velos and Tacos, but anything larger would only of anaphylactic shock if they were allergic. It might be interesting to have them as a food item though
broken pollen
Yeah I thought that too and I think maybe there could be a limit to how many can spawn and dinos with big hitboxes could really kill a lot
lone ember
I see!
broken pollen
Also the more drones you have would probably mean the hungrier you get as they don't have a closing mechanism on the crops in their stomachs meaning they can't hold much food in their stomachs which would mean you might want to lose some drones by spraying formic acid (which when sprayed usually does kill ants) so you don't starve all the time
strange wave
just when i thought yi qi was the smallest anyone would suggest
now its a fucking ant
broken pollen
I just think the concept would be really cool as a colony gameplay mechanic would make it so even the strongest packs have something to be afraid of (provided the large colony has enough food to grow large enough) they could potentially
lol yeah the queens fossil was about the size of a hummingbird
but insect size depends on the amount of oxygen the atmosphere has when its born so it could've varied
strange wave
so this entire idea hinders on people seeing the ants and avoiding stepping on them
broken pollen
yes but the scent they leave is very strong and if a dino sniffed i imagine they could see the ants
strange wave
because a single allosaur can step on the queen and the entire time you spent making that colony is lost
yes but the scent they leave is very strong and if a dino sniffed i imagine they could see the ants
@broken pollen and then step on them
broken pollen
thats why the queen can fly
and the queen could also be a ways away
and she doesn't use formic acid so seeing where her drones are is easy but the queen can't be sniffed out but would still need to be close enough to give signals to her drones
pulsar lake
@valid zephyr being nested by AI would be pretty cool but should be rare because nested animals will be untrackable by humans.
I want AI to learn you how to do things, watching you, protecting you, have some social behaviors as well like courting, predatory reactions depending on the number, their specie and age and a lot of other things but we don't know if it's going to be a thing 
.
valid zephyr
I also mean finding AI to make a nest with, and spawning in AI hatchlings
otherwise unpopular animals like para may as well not have nesting, as the chances of another para player are tiny
let alone more to then invite to nest
pulsar lake
I can see Paras in herd, migrating from areas to another one with different specimen of different ages.
Kinda like this
valid zephyr
nesting them in to add to the herd would be fun
and wouldn't rely on other people wanting to play a rare dino as well
pulsar lake
Nesting AIs 🤔
Yeah
But their behaviour should be based on how you act.
And how the group acts.
But that would be a PAIN to code I'm sure.
valid zephyr
yeah aka the entire problem with AI replacing players
so few players. so if you're an unpopular dino you're stuck solo
unless they can make the AI be like players to you
pulsar lake
Yeah, but AIs will most likely be not complete patch I and will need of improvement every patch.
With more and more species with different behaviours depending on your gameplay, their age, their environment and multiple other situations.
I don't think we're going to have RDR2 AI, which are really good. Actually I don't believe that we will have them before in RDR2 development they had thousands of developers working on the game and hundreds on AI's development.
So, even with 2 AI coders, we won't have really good AI. Maybe decent ones but that will still be better than what we have now.
valid zephyr
yeah i'm suspecting no AI first patch
strange wave
@winter lagoon encouraging extreme amouts of pvp is the opposite of what is wanted
left nacelle
@frosty igloo If they are added as playable, then people are gonna be much less likely to kill those animals since they know there's a chance they're a player. Sooo there's one of those cons gone lol
valid zephyr
i'm love to see those animals as playable.
compy is a confirmed playable, so imo the four 'classic' AI should be as well. All of them are much larger than compy.
left nacelle
Yeah, all if the AI coming with the recode are playable and AI. I used to love playing velo back in the day so I hope they become playable again
random imp
The idea is very cool, but i think that'd be too much work, the seamless growth takes a lot to be created... i think that insead of a mixed hybrid during the growth stages, in case the parents have different horn shapes ( or any of the possible chosmetic choices) the baby will have the same growth as a normal baby, but once the "sub" stage ends, the differences will pop up, choosing randomly between the father and the mother's chosmetic details. i don't know if i explained myself here
like, the same growth process for every trike, but when its old enough the model start to differ from the base one, in case the parents have chosmetic changes ( horns, quills on the tail, different shaped frill...), and the changes will be chosen between the father and the mother's. male straight horns, female curved horns= 50% to get one type or the other.
so instead of having a completely different model and seamless growth process, the thing will be easier to be put into the game because more then half of the growth is already there
valid zephyr
Yeah i'm not sure if the seamless system works like that or if it would be possible. I just liked the idea of the nested in hatchling getting a 50/50 blend between the two types to be fully unique from its parents.
Having a unique model you can't spawn with would be a big nesting incentive.
Bryan keep it very quiet how the entire seamless system works. Though he did say that he could make a taco turn into a rex.
random imp
yhea, an unique hybrid model' be amazing, but is hard stuff to create
paper oriole
<@&401466542140817419> troll in suggestions
indigo sun
Aww y'hate to miss it
paper oriole
Was just the usual “this game sucks” troll, nothin to miss really lol
warped garden
I’d say tree climbing is a must, it’s good to give as much incentive to play smaller creatures as possible besides stepping stones to big ones if progression is back
sleek ingot
I actually had a dream about this, but imagine being a small dinosaur and being able to flip over bark and things on the ground to find insects.
warped garden
that’s cute
hasty night
Well apparently there’ll be frogs to interact with, so that might be as close as we’ll get
strange wave
@rough acorn not any time soon
hasty night
I’m also hoping that the Spinosaurus will get a rework due to the new discovery about its tail, and how it’s suited for a more aquatic environment
hasty night
Not the entire model of course, that’d be a waste, I’m just suggesting it having better swimming capabilities
Nah, not realism
strange wave
spino is the oceanic hunter of the isle its good for swimming
and doesn't need a tail remodel
hasty night
Aight, fair enough. Just an idea
restive pewter
They could always release something then make more changes in a smaller update later on
blazing charm
I mean, the Spinosaurus we have isn't based on realism, it's kinda why it's so monstrous. I doubt some new tail material is going to change that.
honest sparrow
^
warped garden
if it will get updated it’s something for later, they’d have to do a whole new set of animations and mechanics for it
honest sparrow
idk, some people have proposed a gen. 2 spino or oxalia to act as the aquatic spino, but eh
warped garden
also I wonder if the isle devs have seen environment demos of dinosaur battlegrounds, the lead ran with the money and the project is dead but it what it had was really pretty
junior crow
like tarbo skin for rex or charc skin for giga
pulsar lake
Tree climber should stay for small ones such as Hypsi, Deinonychus, baby Megalania and maybe Herrera.
warped garden
mm velociraptor?
pulsar lake
Nah not Velociraptor, Deinonychus would be better because it's a real threat with his size. It could hunt in trees and pounce from trees.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/701472300339560558/image0.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/701472301111050410/image2.png
Some reconstruction of Deinonychus and possible hunt tactic.
Make it the bird of prey of the jungle.
honest sparrow
make velo a small fox that can grab and kick small things to death
pulsar lake
Velo would stay terrestial imo.
Herrera would be a pretty good burrow invader.
Or a all terrain animal.
warped garden
velo is just a smaller deino I don’t see why it wouldn’t climb for shelter
honest sparrow
I'm a big fan of weasel velo
stuck bison
I don't think this game is ever going to make console. Dondi said he didn't want to try and make the game compatible for console because then he has to limit the quality of the game for PC. That was of course said couple years ago.
valid zephyr
Yep I actually made a deinonychus suggestion where if could 'glide' down from high places to land on prey.
more controlled fall than glide
and use its wings to run up near vertical surfaces
strange wave
@heady folio rng determining if you can hide and hunt or not... definitely what people want
honest sparrow
albinism is reserved for cannibals iirc
paper oriole
maybe a varied albino skin could be a low chance for being nested by parents with bad genes, since those will be a thing
like red eyed cannibal skin, blue eyed rare bad gene skin
short blaze
Would ray tracing be a good idea?
strange wave
for monster pc's and dying framerates
stuck bison
they aren't gonna do ray tracing
honest sparrow
paleozoic is most likely gonna get small representation if at all, playable amphibians are on the fence, the giant bugs of the carboniferous as of rn are a no-go, and scutosaurus/ gorgonopsid would be outclassed by the dinos we have rn
dapper obsidian
Possibly but I have a thing for the palaeozoic and there's so much fauna that could fill unique niches
left nacelle
@short blaze RTX would be very taxing on the performance and the devs said that they aren't gonna implement it
short blaze
Oh oof
indigo sun
The falling/sliding thing is kinda planned already isnt it?
covert birch
@loud owl there is gonna be a sliding down cliffs anim
Also a tumbling down cliffs one after you slid for too long
warped garden
lol
exotic crystal
Y’all should make the day and night last more
left nacelle
@zenith onyx Compy's gonna be playable
random imp
Kai, stop spamming the Velo Playable suggestions. One time is enough, no need to write it 3 times in row.
cobalt compass
also most of your ideas are already confirmed/declined by the devs
@lost pine nope due to copyright
lost pine
I don’t mean exactly
Like some kind of nod
I think it would be a funny cheeky easteregg
cobalt compass
me², but paradym said at some point they wont touch anything related to someones copyrights
especially disney
lost pine
I see
left nacelle
@plucky totem
A shark's bite force is nearly double that of an American alligator
plucky totem
The bite force of dIeno has been estimated to be 18'000 N ( 1.835 kgf 4.047 ibf) to 102.803N (10,483 kgf 23.111 idf) it has been argued that even the strongest and largest theropod dinosaurs such as trex had bite forces inferior to the dienosuchus
pulsar lake
Gameplay and balance>Realism
plucky totem
saltwater crocs bite force 5000psi
left nacelle
Not it's not
That's from National Geographic's website
@barren zephyr Proto is already coming. Also, don't upvote your own suggestion. It just makes you look bad
plucky totem
look at nile crocs bite force bluebird its 5000psi saltwater nile they all still crocs so it goes nile great white salty croc
left nacelle
Orcas have an estimated bite force of 19,000 psi
Deino's already gonna be able to take on rexes. It doesn't need an op bite force
balmy leaf
i hope deinos have a "stuck" mechanic
plucky totem
im not saying be op just that it should have the highest bf thats all
balmy leaf
like, an attack that makes the deino bites the prey so strong it stucks the prey in its jaws
plucky totem
lol
left nacelle
It doesn't need the highest bite force
balmy leaf
like crocodiles do
left nacelle
I believe Deino is getting a deathroll attack so that's kinda like what you're saying
balmy leaf
ah ?
nocturne sonnet
@barren zephyr we get proto as a playable dino
balmy leaf
(sorry, i can't just speak english very well, i'm a french dude)
left nacelle
Deathroll. It's where the croc grabs it's prey and rolls
balmy leaf
Yes i know
vestal rune
I mean, the current bite force ingame is just an "attack" stat
balmy leaf
i meant
vestal rune
and when they do balance they don't care at all about realism
balmy leaf
the croco's method of hunting is
dragging with their jaws the pray
into the water
(or deathrolling)
left nacelle
Ooooh that's what you mean?
left nacelle
That's getting added
left nacelle
You'll be able to pull things in water if I recall correctly
At the very least, you'll be able to ambush out of the water
balmy leaf
Ye
i know that
i just can't wait for ambushing out of the water
day 1 of the recode i'll make a deino gang
we'll find a swamp and eat whatever comes and drink
plucky totem
i hear spino might be better in water than dieno errrr what?
balmy leaf
we'll be like Shrek.
"Get out of my swamp."
That would be stupid af
Spino is a too big spinosaurid to swim as well as the deino does
and the Isle's spino's tail is not like the true one
left nacelle
Deino won't be in on day 1
pulsar lake
Isle Spino is
balmy leaf
oof
left nacelle
Isle Spino will most likely run on the bottom like a hippo
balmy leaf
what will it be on day 1 ?
left nacelle
Utah and Tenonto will be in on day one
pulsar lake
Utah Tenonto
balmy leaf
but
left nacelle
Then like a week or so later, two more animals will be added. Most likely Deino and Ptera
left nacelle
That's not a trailer
plucky totem
how will the ai rexes work are they gonna be adult cus that would suck
left nacelle
It's a preview to show their progress
balmy leaf
O.O
pulsar lake
AI will have a big place in the future game
balmy leaf
ook i didn't know
pulsar lake
Because official slots will be around 50
plucky totem
imagine seeing an ai rex what do you do
pulsar lake
Run
plucky totem
gonna be so unpredictable
pulsar lake
No, it isn't a player
AI has a code that it follows
Maybe if they code AI by making his behavior changing with the situation maybe.
AIs are nightmares to code.
vestal rune
AI rexes would be great
plucky totem
i can see them bieng like hypo's killing everything they see
vestal rune
I'd like them to be cannibalistic in a way, killing off any sub rexes they see
pulsar lake
Nah, not killing everything
vestal rune
how would they do that omnislash? they're regular rexes
pulsar lake
Devs want a working ecosystem so KoS won't be really a thing with AI. Hunting when they are hungry
vestal rune
plus AI would likely be more complex then just "kill everything", they'd likely have some sort of food meter they'd use to make decisions
plucky totem
well i dont fancy running into 1
vestal rune
well you shouldn't, as you shouldn't fancy running into a player rex
the point of it is to make growing more difficult, which I'm personally all for
pulsar lake
I want to be able to group with AI and to have herd with different members of different ages.
AI being able to nest would be cool too.
plucky totem
i can predict players
vestal rune
and you can't predict AI?
AI are literally meant to be more predictable than players
they're robots, players can do literally anything and you can't expect it
plucky totem
yeah but ai would prob do things you wouldn't expect a player to do in a fight
vestal rune
no you'd know how an a AI would fight, it's players who are unexpected
generally it's very easy to abuse an AI's programming to kill it, you just have to figure out how it works
plucky totem
either way i'd rather fight a human player cus they cant beat me ive had a trike for so long i cant remember being anything else just killed a mommy spino too i find player fights easy
lone ember
AI's are a tricky thing, after not to long you will be able to predict movement. The same goes for player fights, every Person has their style, some are easier to predict some harder.
I think, since the Dev's are looking for AI that can learn/adapt , it will be rather tricky to deal with AI.
If they get the right People on the team, that have a knack for AI's , they could be really complicated to deal with!
Maybe AI based on their group size try diffrent aproaches torwards Players, maybe after you bit them the 5 time they change tactics or they learn to avoide you. This must be programming hell, but who knows
left nacelle
@lavish kettle Dilo will have an anticoagulant, which does exactly that. I makes you bleed a lot. Dilos high bleed currently is a placeholder for that
lavish kettle
just an example
left nacelle
Pretty sure the mud bath thing was just an example
Yeah see
But the mud wouldn't kill you faster. In game mud baths will actually make you heal faster
past berry
ik thats an example, but a bad one
left nacelle
Going by how the mud baths will work, it's actually a good example. It doesn't make sense realistically, but it makes sense mechanically
past berry
i was just saying, mud bath can heal, it can even turn you into hypo if devs want. i was just talking due to infection someone could get from the mud
zenith onyx
i don't see where i was meantioned. anyone know?
left nacelle
@zenith onyx I mentioned you about 17 hours ago cause you said that velo should be playable since there's no playable carni AI. But I pointed out that compy will be playable
zenith onyx
does anybody have the link to the velo AI remodel discussion or video? stream?
past berry
sorry, i don't
left nacelle
Compy is AI @zenith onyx Sorry for the late response, discord's being weird
It's AI and playable
zenith onyx
really? AI? i thought it was just gonna be a dino you could play. not AI too. oh and are you for sure that velo will be playable AI?
i really need to know
icy lion
i dont see why our current ai cant become playable but im not sure if its been confirmed or even mentioned. id really like to play as them though
zenith onyx
well on another server someone said they'd get a remodel so i'd guess that they'd be playable @icy lion but I feel more sure about stuff like this when it's said on this discord. jsut because this is where the info actually comes from. so...
remodel for velos that is
left nacelle
Compy wasn't even originally planned to be playable iirc
zenith onyx
really?
left nacelle
Yeah. It's not surprising tho. It's super tiny
zenith onyx
well i really hope that velo will be playable
it will need a size upgrade though like the ava
left nacelle
I'll be surprised if it isn't, all the animals originally planned to be AI only in the recode have been made playable
and Nahh velo is fine size wise
zenith onyx
so what AI have been made playable? i know about compy now and i know ava is. what others are gonna be?
left nacelle
Every new AI
Minmi and Homalocephale were both planned to be only AI, but now they're playable too
left nacelle
I guess? Idk, I didn't do the math
covert birch
@plush meadow dondi said youll be able to steam invite friends to have it so you spawn near eachother in the future
plush meadow
ok nice ty
zenith onyx
Hey @covert birch. every time i've posted something you had a good answer for it. I have a question (answer if you know the answer) will teh Velo be a playable AI in the recode? i know BLuebird said it might happen but he/she didn't know for sure. most of the time you have good sources so i wanted to ask you.
covert birch
we dont know
loud owl
There should be a egg hatching animation to when you join a nest
strange wave
so @warm knoll deino shouldn't have a reason to come out of the water so its even remotely balanced?
honest sparrow
idk bork, makes sense to me
pulsar lake
@ebon tiger I agree with you, solo besting was an idea I shared in my megalania suggestion.
The con that a nested juvi without a dad would be make you enable to become an elder in my opinion.
pulsar lake
Yeah, you are a simple megalania during your life. You cannot become an elder and so you can't have a perk.
cobalt compass
👍
ebon tiger
i actually forgot about elders
i suppose that solo-nesting just doesn't attribute the perk like paired nesting would
cobalt compass
but also, do you keep previous perk when nested in "A-sexually", or are they lost in the process. if yes to lost, then there should or must be a hint that you're beeing a clon and not gaining elder state
further should all clones be female, what makes sense
just to be clear🤷♂️
@pulsar lake
@ebon tiger
i'd like to know your opinion
ebon tiger
Komodos mostly produce males when they lay eggs through parthenogenesis, though i figured for gameplay, the Megalania would produce random genders
cobalt compass
hmm, okay... i thought its like cloning which some other amphibians do
ebon tiger
if you've already unlocked a perk, i doubt you'd lose it from parthenogenic nesting, as that would be a shit move
cobalt compass
true
but how could one get the ability to become elder as a "clon", since instead you could just suicide, apart from spawning random. maybe breed a few generations or it isnt completly locked but it takes x the times being adult...
sorry if this sound confusing, eng is just my 2nd language
ebon tiger
the "clones" would just be normal Megalania players, perhaps without the colours/stats they'd normally gain from a male
the mother would probably not gain a perk from parthenogenic nesting, but could gain it from nesting with a male later on
cobalt compass
through actual breeding
ebon tiger
aye
cobalt compass
could be interesting, tho...🤷♂️
@cedar pulsar do you have to stand still while charging up?
cedar pulsar
something i didnt think about
one sec
you could probably make a very quick burst forward before executing it
but yeah should maybe be restricted to stand still?
cedar pulsar
yeah
cobalt compass
maybe a combination
cedar pulsar
you could do quick flicks of the tail while moving at a moderate speed to get things away from the side
cobalt compass
when at full charge and moving forward its more of a leap
i think we're getting this kind of intuitive combat with evrima
cedar pulsar
The idea was that it could use the tail to stand its ground against reasonably large attackers, and use it sparingly against smaller ones
hopefully
cedar pulsar
mhm
pulsar lake
I like to see all these Megalania suggestions when someone already does one with all their ideas
Mega: tail whipe, venomous bite, solo nesting, all terrains, sun bathing and wrestling.
All of that would be awesome
indigo sun
If you're falling off a cliff that kills you, very high chance that's a drop your dino wouldnt survive period.
icy lion
@stray cloak chat here, and im pretty sure something like that is already confirmed
stray cloak
Wasn't discussing. Just rephrasing because the emotes made it look like it wasn't clear what they meant
honest sparrow
no filter feeders
paper oriole
if we get a flyer who is less fish/scavenger oriented and more geared towards plants it should be tupan
pteru would serve as AI for pterano to snack on at best
honest sparrow
even then is it worth the effort?
paper oriole
all good, just helps reduce clutter
warm knoll
@lapis wasp The Pterudaustro looks like what would happen if penguins had wings (But big wings)
paper oriole
i mean he looks cute and funky but it costs like 7k to make, animate and fit sounds to a model to add to the game
paper oriole
yeah its why theyre pretty picky on what they add
honest sparrow
daustro is really small
paper oriole
and why it's weird that they chose magyarosaurus
pteru is like a fourth of pterano's size i think
honest sparrow
yeah
paper oriole
he'd basically just be an air taco
warm knoll
Oh frick allo
paper oriole
tupan on the other hand, is around pterano's size and can fill the fruit bat role
honest sparrow
ye
paper oriole
for less predatory players who want to fly
vestal rune
tupan ate plants?
honest sparrow
iirc it's thought that tapejarids ate fruit
paper oriole
he could probably eat fruit along with small things like bugs, frogs and small hatchlings
honest sparrow
ye
paper oriole
and could fill a woodland niche while pterano filled the beachside and cliff niche, nesting on treetops while pterano nested on ledges and outcrops
pulsar lake
@dawn bluff it can also provide food for dinosaurs able to eat aquatic plants such as Minmi, Beipiao and maybe if we're lucky Deinocheirus.
Hadrosaurs such as Para would also be able to eat the aquatic plants in this biome like current moose.
dawn bluff
Ah yes, I was thinking of editing it to add in a part where it can hold plenty of food.
pulsar lake
I can also see live in this areas Sucho because adult Deinosuchus would live in larger environments so it would be a good place for them.
dawn bluff
Yea, I was mostly thinking young deinos and sub-adults would live here for good protection and cover, nd when they are larger they could move to the swamps nearby.
And if deinos nest here and then leave.
covert birch
@lapis wasp dondi said he isnt gonna add filter feeders to the game
lapis wasp
oh my bad sorry
paper oriole
iirc the galli jump issue is accidental
so the adult got stuck with the juvie jump
probably gonna be fixed
loud owl
Is the spino gonna get the claw attack or no if not that should be a second attack
paper oriole
they did say he was gonna use his hands
warm knoll
I do hope there will be ranks and/or different tribes for humans.
But, tbh, if that happens, the servers might have to become bigger (More max players) or else there will be humans everywhere.
High ranks shouting commands
Tribal hunters killing a sucho juvie
things like that
warm knoll
It would honestly be very cool for humans to have different weapons depending on rank or something like that
Because if all mercenaries only had a rifle and pistol, that would be boring.
ionic glacier
^Sea of Thieves be like
left nacelle
@marble flame We're getting caves already
covert birch
@warm knoll sucho isnt gonna be nerfed just cuz fish are going to be added
Hell its gonna get a buff if anything with maximun real sizes being confirmed they gonna get a size increase to almost that of current rex
random imp
weaponized Dinos? no thank you
i don't see them fit well into the world
mercs will study and kill dinos, not ride them
tribals are not advanced enough to make such stuff.
covert birch
Tribals will be doing the whole "enslaving" thing so i feel like this can tie in well with that, could be one of the perks of a dino being "enslaved" that ya get armor
covert birch
@barren zephyr imo you shouldnt really run faster on the trails but i do agree that deep mud n such should slow you
neat beacon
Well maybe some sort of sharpened armor in general
i dunno if tribals could obtain something stronger than dino claws but it's a possibility
covert birch
Trike,rex,etc having bone type armor can work