they couldve just logged onto their adult giga.
#general-feedback-discussion
violet magnet
adult giga doesn't NEED a hunger or thirst buff tho
covert birch
It doesnt
violet magnet
no but if they were growing one it might seem like hunger and thirst drain extra fast
because they do
paper oriole
As they should
covert birch
Upvotes own suggestion after he was pinged
But doesnt come into said channel where he was pinged so we can talk about the suggestion
paper oriole
Typical giga player amirite
covert birch
pretty much
paper oriole
Least he didnt suggest it run at 50km/h too like a couple others did lmao
covert birch
sad the people who suggested 50kph giga and used the realism argument forgot to read the fact that it was the max giga could go without its bones shattering and not its actual speed
@tidal snow ai is gonna completely change after recode
1: Its gonna be dangerous/fight back
2: Wont spawn directly next to you
3: Youll actually have to track, find, and kill AI
icy lion
giga has infinite speed and you have to meticulously micromanage/quick time event running so you dont shatter when
covert birch
Giga with superspeed but it gets so fast that you cant change directions and if you run into any object you die instantly
icy lion
i just wish we could ban "buff/nerf/tweak" suggestions until after evrima
covert birch
Nah imo their fine
icy lion
thats just carno
covert birch
Nah carno wont die instantly
Also buff/nerf/tweak stuff are technically banned
at least in the manner he did
icy lion
who knows how collision damage will work though (i really hope its not an insta die)
covert birch
I mean ptera was said to die or get hurt from flying into stuff
icy lion
id love to see a ptera slam a cliff and just crumple
man if only aviary was still around
icy lion
gonna rp being a dumb fucking bird that doesnt know what glass is
covert birch
XD
night mountain
paper oriole
Aay i made a suggestion for masiakasaurus a bit back too
I think itd be a great small tier fisher
covert birch
Austro is already our small tier fisher tho
And what would masiaka take on other than fish
Cuz purely fishing lifestyle doesnt seem like good gameplay imo
hes literally homalo sized
Doubt hell do much other than fishin
paper oriole
Austro is close to utah size i dont think he fits into the newer tier of smalls like troodon and hypsi
covert birch
Weightwise tho he aint much like utah
paper oriole
Masiakasaurus could be a nocturnal fisher who can sprint across water in ambush like a jesus lizard to juke preds lol
paper oriole
Masiaka could be our messiah aaay?
covert birch
how large is a jesus lizard
covert birch
oh damn
covert birch
I mean herra is gonna get shrunk
Instead of jesus lizard masia how about all terrain herra
And in that all terrain thing it would have a jesus lizard-esque ability
But it would drain a shitton of stam
paper oriole
That could be a possibility, if they dont plan on adding a fisher smaller than austro
But if they do, masiak would be a good candidate with this mechanic
covert birch
@cosmic lake heres a good sizechart that isnt prehistoric wildlife
cosmic lake
welp too late already used it
covert birch
I mean ya can always edit it but ok
But flesh grazer masia is a meh imo
Cuz i doubt it would do much more than fishing
cosmic lake
i very well could
paper oriole
Idk about masiak being a flesh gracer, he'd probably deal good bleed in his tier tho
covert birch
Good bleed but not flesh grazer
Something it tries flesh grazin can prolly kick it away
paper oriole
Masiak is thought to have eaten smaller animals than itself and fish
cosmic lake
with those wicked bottom teeth i bet it could graze a good bit of flesh
covert birch
Jesus lizard masiak tho
Thats the chad bit right there
paper oriole
Probably go after juvies of austro and deino, scavenge, steal eggs and fish
covert birch
^
Basically a water ovi/velo
paper oriole
Basically
cosmic lake
im trying to fit it in with the isle though where the mass majority of the dinos are bigger than it plus ik people want to try and hunt bigger things with it
paper oriole
And run across the river to escape the angry parents
Troodon is the small tier for hunting larger things iirc
cosmic lake
idk i just like my little masiaka boi
paper oriole
Masiaka would work as a nocturnal threat to subaquatic juvies who can fish and sprint across water to escape large animals
Masiak is badass i want him too
covert birch
I mean flesh grazing can possibly work
But trying to do that isnt really a good idea
Plus imo flesh grazing that actually feeds ya is bad imo
paper oriole
Masiakasaurus and zhenyuanlong are my most wanted tinies, i hope to see at least one of them in game someday
covert birch
Cuz it can be abused with mixpacking
Zhenyuanlong is good boi
Compared to virgin micoraptor
paper oriole
Yeees
covert birch
Personally for flesh grazing to stop people from just mixpacking to abuse it
Have it stop your hunger from draining for y amount of time after doing the flesh grazing move
Then there is a cooldown 2x that y amount of time until you can flesh graze again
cosmic lake
i mean the damage and food you get can scale with size difference a lot too so like biting your freinds of the same size will give you little to no food will doing it to someone a lot bigger than you would treat it more like your eating from a corpse in the special case of the masiaka
covert birch
So youll have to eat eventually but you cant just sit with someone forever
paper oriole
That would be the best way to implikebt it probably
covert birch
my way or rhinos way
covert birch
yea imo would end the issue with mixpakcing
Plus would be a good way for lets say a starving giga pack for example take the time it takes to hunt a sauropod without taking damage from starvation
cosmic lake
well again this could be applied to specific dinos so while most it will just pause their food loss others it will give them food like the masiaka
covert birch
Then that allows those specific dinos such as masiaka to mixpack with stuff bigger than it
Like masiak would be able to flesh graze from a sitting utah while catching fish for it
Since 20 fish will prolly feed more than a single masiaka
paper oriole
Masiaka could be one of the small tiers who gain a little food eating parasites off of large dinos instead of flesh grazing, thinking back at the parasite suggestion, making it more of a natural symbiotic relationship
cosmic lake
with the mechanic i said for it they wouldnt want that too much cause again the masaikas bite also slows down the creature so too many bites by it and a bigger badder dino comes along the dino that was bit cant run away as well
covert birch
Well a bite to the back wouldnt slow the animal when compared to a bite to the legs
So masiaka would just flesh graze on a sitting utah where its low enough to bite the back without a slow style debuff
While still pulling off mixpacking
cosmic lake
so like utah running at a crisp 76 kmph if bitten 5 or so times by them would be slowed down by 5 subsequent kmph
ok well thats fair blue
covert birch
@gloomy arrow carrying corpses of stuff is comfirmed. So is swallowing small stuff whole
covert birch
@barren zephyr we already know velo is getting pounce
And about your damage complaint thats prolly b/c velo is a tad bit fucked over by the weight system and is sandbox. Itll prolly do more damage when thats gone
Plus if multiple utahs can pounce on something im sure multiple velos will be able to do that
And also nice 4th time reposting that
barren zephyr
Nice to know, but why the sarcasm?
covert birch
Cuz why not?
barren zephyr
It's unappreciated
covert birch
Meh i meant no harm of it
barren zephyr
Hmm... i see
thorny crag
masia looks fun tbh, could be a good addition. seems like a bleeder to me
and o god yes, i totally forgot that human corpse will be a thing too, we gonna drag them around so much ❤️
peak wedge
@narrow tulip you madlad. Everyone else wants no puke and youre out here being a rebel and i love it
past eagle
It would be pretty fun to snatch a merc out of the air while he’s parachuting not gonna lie
peak wedge
Or to see fleets of mercs parachuting in formation to drop down on a unsuspecting dino
past eagle
And to their surprise get snatched by my spino
peak wedge
Flying spino ftw
past eagle
I mean a spino is quite tall already so I’d probably just have to look up and snatch one
narrow tulip
@peak wedge Why not? You know that feeling when you shit yourself from alcohol and food and then force yourself to vomit food and stomach all together so you can continue drinking and eating like a pig. People are just soft these days smh
peak wedge
No i cant drink but i believe you
narrow tulip
I dont drink too but when i do...
paper oriole
Cant just say “buff this dino” without explanation it's pinned as a rule
indigo sun
@proven moss read the pinned messages and put some actual effort into your suggestion. also take into account that balance as we know it is changing so balance suggestions are kinda useless at the moment
paper oriole
@gloomy arrow more AI is coming already, including apex AI
check updates once in a while there's a lot of things stated in clips and whatnot
thorny crag
parazombie? I think you even die if someone cuts off your testicles, who would survive without arms?
harsh silo
The para suggestion makes no sense, i had to say it
scarlet steeple
Is this where I can suggest new animals
paper oriole
Ya in suggestions
But you gotta put effort into the suggestion not just “add this cus its cool”
And a better para special would make use of its loudass 3 call or something like make it a close range daze AOE
covert birch
for a para special ide prefer something like it being a bard
Basically when encountering AI you can do a minigame esque thing (similar to how iirc fishing is gonna be one)
If you suceed the minigame 1 of 4 things can happen
1: If you do it to herbi ai that is your larger than you it will protect you as long as you stay near it (wont follow you)
2: If you do it to herbi ai that is smaller than you it will follow ya around for 10 mins
3: If you do it to carni ai they will not attack you (unless they are in dire need of food or you attack them)
4: If you do it to para ai they will "group" with you basically serving as meatshields
Plus it wouldnt be that useless do to the fact we know we are getting way more ai ingame
And maybe it can be applied in other places such as granting affinity bonuses to children and such (or bonuses to whatever system is replacing affinity)
left nacelle
@sterile meteor That can be easily abused
sterile meteor
fair, but it really does such losing a dinosaur on a survival server because of an unlucky spawn
strange wave
i can see it now clans using alts to find every single player on the island thanks to little utahs hidden in bushes
sterile meteor
good point. idk how to avoid bad spawns then without moving the player logging in, which I don't think is a good solution
covert birch
Or ya know
log out in a hidden spot
Also may the people who put the 
's and the ❌ explain to me what is wrong with the para thing instead of just sayin no with no comment
sterile meteor
the situation where you login close enough to someone that they can very easily find you is very rare, I will admit, but when it does happen you have little recourse. It's not always an option to find a spot where you're perfectly hidden
covert birch
I mean the thing isnt ifnd a spot where your perfectly hidden
Its to find a spot you wont expect people to be
So like look at twins for example the place is infested
Dont log out in the woods right next to it
go up the mountains behind it a bit
cobalt compass
@fiery edge from 4:39am CET
Seasons
seasons dont make any sense, since The Isle setting is on an tropical island. at least snow is no logical option, there are severe droughs and floodings more to expect.
harsh silo
Regarding the para thing, its wrong because its easily exploitable, u could get a big herbi to protect you constantly, you could use the ability on a carnivore, even if u are on low hp, so it doesnt eat u and then u log out etc. Its easily exploitable, thats all @covert birch
Its good on the "para ai group" part, that would be interesting, the rest? They either have no use (small herbi following you) or they are easily exploitable imo
Carnivore ai should always be a threat to everything
shell willow
I mean... a compy wouldn't be a threat to a tenonto. While I don't necessarily like the para idea either, it being "exploitable" doesn't make it the worst. I would say ptera is easily exploitable, it can fly, and it could scout for other players. That's an exploit, right? There are very very few ways around that, and I would like to see a possible solution, but in most cases, exploits like these are unavoidable.
Who says there will be enough ai herds to protect you every time you get hunted? We don't know how rare they will be, and it would have to be by complete chance for you to come across another player actively using protection from an AI. If you have to go through a minigame to get that protection, you're not going to be able to use it while you're being hunted, especially if it wears off (ESPECIALLY especially if the big herbi only follows a small herbi for 10 minutes.) You just have to stalk that area until the protection wears off if say, a tenonto is using a para in this case. Carnivores shouldn't always be a threat, and definitely not to everything.
indigo sun
@fiery surge
fiery surge
Okay sorry
ashen wasp
I think that proposed 5 call is literally just a 4 call. Wanting a quiet version is all well and good, but it if you want to convey that there’s danger, or at least something to be frightened of in the immediate vicinity, there’s already a vocalization for that. If you want a near-silent version, simply start running away from the danger, and any observant groupmates should follow your lead.
For people without vc, it can sometimes be difficult to convey meaning without stopping to chat, but communication nearly always comes at the risk of giving away your position in the first place.
What with the new calling system being implemented, where holding down the key will change the sound, I’m excited to see what new meanings PLAYERS assign to the 4 or 5 new versions we’re getting. Maybe during a playthrough, a group might decide that a 3-tap is a lighter warning than a 3-hold. Really anxious to see where this system leads, because I’m ALWAYS for non-text communication in this game. More calls will lead to more varied interactions, and I’m just SO dang excited for it
covert birch
@harsh silo
Well the thing is about the large herbi protecting you is that you wont always be with the large herbi. Due to how migration paths work and how diff herbis gotta eat diff plants you wont be able to stay with the large herbi at all moments. Just during the time the large herbi ai and your migration paths cross.
About the carni thing I do see an issue where ya can just use it to gtfo
And the little thing following you isnt useless b/c let's say you encounter a single allo. Would it rather risk its life attacking the para or would it go for the ava following you
Oh wait about the carni thing you wouldnt wanna really do the bard thing while being hunted due to the fact you gotta go through a minigame style thing
You wont be able to just save yourself instantly and you'd prolly be better off running
harsh silo
I don't see the carni thing working, at all, and the small ai thing? if it only works as fodder I don't see it being useful either if that's the only thing that it brings to the table. Also if u imply a minigame would be involved in the carni thing u can get out of any hunt anytime, if u are being hunted by ai of course, because the ai will be forced to interact in the minigame, and we both know a player won't give a shit about the minigame and hunt u regardless. The carni thing is just a big no.
The herbi thing protecting u, that can happen by just running upon a herd and using them as meatshields, no need to sing to them or anything, and as u said, at some point they'll split up, no need to sing to them, just hang around them and if smth gets too close they will scare whatever got close away because they are protecting themselves, and u are just taking advantage of that, u use them as a shield, boom problem solved. @covert birch
covert birch
Nah when i was saying the minigame thing i was implying just ai. None of this would really affect/do much to players
(other than the affinity boost to children as a possible addition by doin the minigame to it from time to time)
About the whole just walking up to a big herbi group and using them as meatshields i understand where your comin from but we dont know yet if lets say a trike group would be friendly to other herbis or hell even friendly to more of their own kind. I guess my suggestion would be much better to evaluate once we actually see how ai play out with how aggressive they are n such
ebon tiger
@neat beacon why? every other dino hatchling gets to leave the nest
covert birch
prolly realism is what he wants cuz baby birds literally dont do anything when they born
covert birch
Prolly just lettin it leave the nest like everything else is the best option
ebon tiger
aye
covert birch
the thing wont fly as a hatchling anyways so doesnt really change much if pteras are gonna nest on those cliffaces
ebon tiger
well, realistically Ptera hatchlings could fly within hours of hatching, but i think one of the devs said it won't until it hits Juvie
covert birch
Yea juvi is when it gets the ability to fly
it may glide as a hatchling but we dont know
ebon tiger
i guarantee there's gonna be a lot of newly hatched Ptera players throwing themselves off stuff to test that when it gets released lol
covert birch
@open sedge i was reading your document and the thing is, yes magy cant defend itself against a rex but literally anything magy sized cant either
Magy can easily just to avoid them live in those dense shrublands/in jungles where an apex wouldn't fit. The thing about magys anatomy not allowing it to gallop while is true, tenos anatomy doesnt allow it to run as it does in the animation. Hell in the animation itself you see the spine kinda break a tiny bit. Also imo the best option to let magy defend itself from smaller options is to make the tail whip deal heavy damage. Similar to iguanas who can fracture human bones allow magy to either A: deal heavy damage or B: fracture bones of things up to around an allos size. The 2nd of the two options would push it to kinda work as a small tier anky of sorts
kind agate
the word futa triggered my fight or flight reaction.
as for Magy not being able to outrun its larger predators, not every animal that's reasonably fast gallops, a Hippo can and will run you down with relative ease despite its size.
and, just as future reference, I'd use a source other than Prehistoric Wildlife for sizes, they're notoriously inaccurate
neat beacon
@peak portal Huh?
peak portal
The ptero this up above
neat beacon
I know, but what do you mean take off away?
peak portal
Like they show stay on the ground untill juvi
neat beacon
ye
kind agate
I mean, it's not very likely they'd be born on the ground
indigo sun
Ground/cliff/sea stack, wherever the parents decide to nest
kind agate
I'm all for there being a wait time before flight, but it's been suggested that Pterosaurs could probably fly from birth
peak portal
But not far
Cuz accual pterosaurs didn't fly that far at birth. Their wings had to fully develop for a while
indigo sun
Perhaps something in how AE's scientists recreated the animals affected their development and slowed it so their wings cant support them til theyre a juvi
peak portal
They should be able to fly a tiny bit but not that far
kind agate
It is not known whether pterosaurs practiced any form of parental care, but their ability to fly as soon as they emerged from the egg and the numerous flaplings found in environments far from nests and alongside adults has led most researchers, including Christopher Bennett and David Unwin, to conclude that the young were dependent on their parents for a relatively short period of time, during a period of rapid growth while the wings grew long enough to fly, and then left the nest to fend for themselves, possibly within days of hatching
this could probably translate into a few minutes in game, or as soon as the babies hit juvenile stage
peak portal
Well in the and they would have like 5 stages of growth or something 2 baby stages a sub stage and a adult stge. The second baby stages would be when they r able to fly
indigo sun
Should just be hatchling, juvi, adult and they can fly when theyre juvies an should be leaving to go find their own shit
I dont see a reason for a specified sub stage or two separate baby stages
kind agate
Pterosaurs likely grew extremely fast within their first year or so of life, reaching sexual maturity in that time, while growing to maximum size would take another 4-5 years. At least in Rhamphorhynchus anyway
indigo sun
Their hatchling stage will be like 15 minutes, just have them fly after those 15 minutes are up and theyre juvies. Doesnt need to be a special part of hatchling stage
covert birch
@loud crag you cant just say add X
you need to actually put reasoning behind a dino you suggest
Plus microraptor prolly wouldnt be a good choice since its literally a flying compy
harsh silo
Put actual reasoning, what niche it would fill etc
strange wave
add an up-voting own suggestion
paper oriole
Any dino should give more food when full vs starving tbh
ashen elm
I've actually come around to Magy being viable. That mountain-climbing niche I suggested awhile ago for a Rebbachisaurid works for Magy too. I forget that titanosaurs had the same adaption for stability and potential transversing rough terrain, a bit it evolved in a different way.
I'd still be open to another titanosaur replacing it though. 
latent cave
@Rhinosopher le Giga King first of all there will be no flesh grazing. If the allosaurids like allo, giga and acro are not getting it your dino has no chance.
Also your dino seems like to much of a generalist and is op, witch once again is an issue for balance. They genraly try to give each dino niechs and avoid generalists as much as possible to balence it out and not invalidate others. You have it down as a carnivore who can basicly eat anything, fish, eat rotting stuff, and flesh graze, well having an extreamly fast ambush, high bleed and the ability to debuff dinos speed... even if its less than half the size of an austro that is op. Well i have no prior knowledge of it, I can make educated guesses that it was not overly fast and was likly slower then a dilo , it was likely a competent hunter of small animals and fish due to its teeth
random imp
holy shit, reading the stuff written in #401481402782056460 is giving me the shivers. why are people so dumb?
latent cave
@left nacelle I want to see a rex fall of a small cliff and break its neck cuz its big head
Like it being front heavy i mean
left nacelle
Oooh that would be neat. But I bet at that point it would fatal
covert birch
@left nacelle we were told that instead of just falling then bam youll slide down cliffs and after sliding for too long you start tumbling
left nacelle
Oh yeah I know about that, but that's not what I mean. I know you'll slide down steep slopes, but I'm saying if you just fall and there is no slope to slide down @covert birch
covert birch
oh kk
paper oriole
putting not 1 but 3 upvotes on your own suggestion 
covert birch
not only that but no alt turn
barren zephyr
Imagine making your suggestions about adding redundant animals
paper oriole
that's already coming
there's literally a video of utah munching a compy whole in phase 2
@plush crest
https://youtu.be/jt6IBYRYWX4
covert birch
@plush crest if hypos do ever come to the game they wont be like regular dinos where you just grow them
Theyll be something extremely difficult to get and extremely rare
devout flower
Not to mention they aren't sustainable, and inevitably die
paper oriole
why do you keep putting a bunch of upvotes on your own shit lmao
devout flower
Gottatryhard
indigo sun
Didnt they say no to baby carrying or did they change their mind?
plush crest
But the game is about dinosaurs surviving I'd hypos come in the game it will lose a bunch of players
paper oriole
pretty sure they said no
theyre making juvies faster to help them keep up with the parents
devout flower
indigo sun
Those players can play on the servers without hypers or humans and all that shit
paper oriole
hypers will be rare
strains will be hard to get
the 500 rexes in each server isnt killing the game so a few hypers wont either
indigo sun
Servers will be able to choose to enable and disable pretty much everything except for alt turn post-recode
plush crest
That's why I said servers should choose if hypos can exist in their server or not
devout flower
.. They will
indigo sun
Your first sentence was literally "I don't think hypos should come in the game."
devout flower
I highly recommend going and reading the Q&A pins in the general-discussion channel
plush crest
I hate alt turn it's not really realistic when you are fighting
indigo sun
God yeah you dont know shit
Alt turn will have an animation and will be forced
It looks so much better with the new animation so its not just ballerinas
I know it looks dumb as shit now but god it will look so much better in the update
plush crest
I love playing without alt turn I normally play as apexes or utha and when I play utha I don't expect alt turn and die
paper oriole
rofl
plush crest
If alt turn takes time to turn that's fine but an instant 180 is a bit unrealistic
indigo sun
Well as a utah youll have pounce so if youre trying to assride in the update youre failing
plush crest
Ye
open pewter
Alt turn feels like aimbot
indigo sun
Please scroll through #phase-two-archive and just look at all the shit
paper oriole
also should delete your suggestiosn about eating dinos whole since thats literally already being worked on
and so is servers toggling certain things like humans/strains
plush crest
I'll leave it there
paper oriole
lel
plush crest
It also keep me of helps the developers too see if it's a popular thing or not if it gets a lot of dislikes it will be for a reason
indigo sun
The popularity of a suggestion for something thats already well into development doesnt really seem to matter to them
paper oriole
and if youre keeping it to show feedback of people why do you add your own reacts to it
plush crest
Because it's an easy press of it's easely accessable to people, people react more to it
paper oriole
why not just put a thumbs up and a thumbs down instead of 3 reacts that mean the same thing
seems like self praise
paper oriole
not a big deal just wondering because it's a little cringry bro
paper oriole
what ever floats your boat
plush crest
Thank you
strange wave
just reading this is causing me to lose brain cells
icy lion
suggestion: pass a Phase 2 literacy test before you post in suggestions
covert birch
^^^
sonic cloud
Expand it to just being allowed on the discord
strange wave
agreed
covert birch
@scarlet steeple dondi already said no mammals
And that the farthest things from dinos theyll add are deinosuchus, megalania, and titanoboa
scarlet steeple
@covert birch I ment placerias, gorgonops dimetrodon etc does that count
covert birch
those are synapsids
Also those 3 examples would be bad imo
Like placerias is literally all the issues on magy but no armor
Gorgonops has a betteer option for quad carni (presto) and isnt small like gorgo is
And dimetrodon has a massive sail removing camo
scarlet steeple
@covert birch why bad . And aren't they ancestors and mammals with early mammalian features e
scarlet steeple
The gorgonops won't have fur. And placerias could be based of ceratopsian attacks behaviours etc
covert birch
Think of them gameplay wise
not as what they look like
Gameplay wise placerias would be a small (Utah height) slow moving, no defensive capabilities other than tiny tusks, herbi
Gornopsid playstyle wise would just be overshadows by utahs, monos, and dilos due to its size
While at least presto is cera sized and can be a good competitor with them
Dimetrodon would also be
Slow moving small and it's only benefit is a high bite force. And even then that massive sail removes both camo and is a weak spot
strange wave
and again why in the good holy fuck would they be added versus other creatures
icy lion
i wish you could have a message set as a pop up when you enter a discord/channel, maybe then people would read the rules and any phase 2 info
covert birch
You can have a channel do that
scarlet steeple
@paper oriole can you clarify I don't want to be kicked out
paper oriole
you must state why this animal should be added with ideas of its gameplay/role in the ecosystem
models cost a lot to make, so animals being added need to serve a purpose besides looks alone
strange wave
and stop posting 6 images of each useless synapsid
covert birch
^^^^^
And at least read the issues with each synapsid I said before making a suggestion
indigo sun
just like, put some effort into saying why the developers should spend $21000 on these three animals
7x3 is 21 right?
i didnt use a calculator and im shit at math
covert birch
yes its 21
keen trail
Don’t flood the chat with pictures of every angle. We need one to see it and that’s all anyone cares for. This isn’t Instagram.
Also give info on the Dino itself like nines said.
latent cave
i just started working on modeling a deinochirus, this is so far all i have, a low detail head
going to suggest deinochirus with a concept for normal and hypo when i am done
note what i have so far does not have actuly eyes or a tonge
covert birch
Well the thing is even if cherry made it into the game it wont get a hypo due to the fact herbis ain't gettin hypos. And cherry who is an omni leaning on the herbi side prolly would have the same predicament
covert birch
So stego, who is a herbi, your saying should get a hypo even tho herbis ain't gettin hypos
covert birch
Hypo herbi gameplay = eating plants angrily
It would be cool
Gameplaywise no
Looks yes
A hypo herbi would just clear out forests
Which defeats the entire purpose of hypos which is eradicating dino pop
latent cave
hypo cherry on the other hand... you have no idea the image i have in my head... it is quite carniviourious
covert birch
Yes you may have your hypo carni cherry
But even then hypo cherry happening wont happen
Especially since cherry is practically dead
latent cave
what do you mean v=cherry is practicly dead? you mean how dondi said their not doing but then said well it still might happen cuz some one ealse said they wanted it
covert birch
Dondi didnt say he wanted cherry
Kissen showed interest but also said she may do something else instead
severe idol
One of them is better with the public.
I'll let you speculate on which.
latent cave
i didnt say dondi said he wanted it, I said he said it wouldnt be done, before stating someone else, kissen i guess may still end up doing it
brittle ivy
@scarlet steeple Posting images of a species you want to see in-game isn't enough to justify the development team spending thousands of dollars implementing it. You need to write up a solid reason as to why it should be in the game, what makes it unique (if anything), and what it could contribute to gameplay.
Until then, your posts will be removed. Pending you have a suggestion fully fleshed out, please resubmit. 🙂
scarlet steeple
Alright will rethink it over thank God for letting me know @brittle ivy
dry cradle
on the flipside when someones caught in the anim it is hilarious
latent cave
REALLY BAD, simple, undetailed, unfeathered deinochirus... I have never modeled anything but humans before
nocturne sonnet
looks good
icy lion
@worn hamlet this channel for discussing suggestions, dont want you to get bopped
worn hamlet
Oh shoot thanks! I’m new so I dont know everything yet
wary plank
Would people like mating dances and sniffing offspring?
indigo sun
mating dances should be solely for hypsilophodon and nothing else
random imp
mating dance is redundant. some kind of emotes tho could be good for the characterization of the dinos.
barren zephyr
Regarding large apex footprints being loud, they’re already almost too loud in a way, most predators are completely silent when they walk, elephants are incredibly soft walkers in contrast to how large they are. A loud predator would make for a terribly bad predator
random imp
they have a different anatomy tho
you can't really compare an elephant foot with a rex foot
left nacelle
@crude pier That removes a lot of the danger of being a pteranodon
crude pier
yeah i guess i didn't think about that
left nacelle
Yeah. Plus I think that would be a tad hard to implement
Especially with lag and all that
proven moss
patiently awating people to reject my ideas
safe galleon
very few things would be able to use their tales for that
covert birch
@barren zephyr very far future. Post dinos
@marble flame they said the issue with fires is that 1 dedicated tribal with a torch would be able to destroy an entire island.
Plus the amount of lag it can make
marble flame
Oof
south fern
you think they could make the blood puddle shape different if you bleed on a hill vs on flat ground? I don't think it would be terribly difficult
barren zephyr
People really don’t know how to use suggestions channel
south fern
did i do it wrong? :0
past eagle
this is for discussing the suggestions
either it was refering to you or the suggestion of "cero sucho bad make them mixpack"
south fern
thought this was for talking through suggestions before putting them in actual suggestions
barren zephyr
I’m talking about the cera and sucho bad which is the most blatantly wrong post I’ve seen
wary pasture
i think some people are playing dinos which have a different playstyle that comes with their stats that they dont like, and just ask for buffs
covert birch
@barren zephyr when talking about suggestions you come in here
Not in the channel specifically made for only suggestions
granite vigil
@jolly junco i was under the impression that was already planned
tight frigate
same. i dont have any sources though. elders can sleep, right?
granite vigil
They said something along the lines of you sleeping and not waking up
And your character falls asleep when you log off or something like that
Rav probably has a video or 2 explaining it
jolly junco
shell willow
Also bleed, if your stamina bar fills with blood you lie down and don't get back up lol
outer nebula
sleeping is something they are actually working on but not for the reason you think @jolly junco
left nacelle
@hybrid stone They can't release something that isn't finished
covert birch
@jolly junco sleeping was mentioned by dondi as a mechanic that kissen wants. Her general idea of sleeping was that when sleeping you basically enter a "dream" which is a sandbox world where ya practice as ya dino
paper oriole
Utah might be getting another damage boosting ability already, they wouldnt need claw sharpening
past eagle
yeah it's like the "alpha" does a long call that the whole group repeats
paper oriole
Perhaps sucho, spino, allo, theri, trike, and diablo could sharpen horns snd claws
past eagle
but it only works on the target the alpha decides
paper oriole
Still a damage bonus
past eagle
it is indeed
iirc dondi was like "if you hear it in the distance you know someone is about to get fucked up"
paper oriole
If the pack sharpened their claws and then used the targeting it would be overkill lol
covert birch
iirc when dondi talked about trikes n such sharpening horns on trees he mentioned them not having benefits
covert birch
when i said that i assumed the same would apply to carnis
like utahs sharpening toe claws on trees
paper oriole
Utahs are probably getting a damage boosting mechanic so it wouldnt really count if that didnt benefit them
covert birch
they are getting the call thing
But im assuming many pack hunters will get something similar
covert birch
yes we know
Im just saying it prolly will happen to multiple things
covert birch
Like a dilo pack just starts spam hooting and their venom is more potent
past eagle
the call damage boost for allos
covert birch
Allos prolly wouldnt need it
past eagle
probably
covert birch
Grapple seems like enough of a killer for me
paper oriole
It'd be nice to hear some mechanics coming for herbis to help defend against all the unique attack mechanics coming for carnis
Sharpening horns would at least be one thing
covert birch
I mean if mudwallowing is now gonna give a buff and dondi said it wouldnt be benefiticial back on stream
maybe sharpening horns will be a thing
My only issue with sharpening horns specifically is how often would someone need to do it
And how do we stop people from just constantly doing it to be always buffed up
paper oriole
Doing it too much could start to reduce your damage, like in the suggestion of claw sharpening
paper oriole
Yeah they could appear sharper or blunter as a giveaway since the pack bonus has the vocal giveaway
wise pier
I'd be okay with controller support, though...thats a lot to put on one controller.
desert prairie
Ive seen more buttons on a controller
wise pier
Like, added manually or? Where would things go as an example.
desert prairie
look up the warframe controller schematic, you will see what I mean. Theres alot more stuff thats on there compared to the mechanics of this game
wise pier
Oooh I see I see. yeah it could potentially work. I dont see why not anyways.
Besides I would like to sit back and play where my keyboard can't reach sometimes.
desert prairie
-yeah
empty sigil
@leaden cargo I think that'd be hard on the devs for stamina stuff. also mouse wheel is already camera zoom in and out
leaden cargo
maybe but if the arrow keys were zoom in and zoom out it'd be more accurate than the mouse wheel
winged seal
thats.. kind of a bad idea imo.
finite elm
I like those additions such as airports and shipwrecks around the island and your dino interactions with the environment. Perhaps mud baths provide temporary resistance to dehydration since animals use then to cool down?
Would also love to see abandoned roads and dirt paths that connect the structures
tight frigate
oh that sounds dope! added that in spacemonkey. plus also ancient temples
left nacelle
@tight frigate Shooting stars are already confirmed. Dondi was fiddling with them in one of his streams
tight frigate
ahh ok, didnt know that! thanks for letting me know
mental sleet
Daanzka, I don't dislike the idea, I just prefer that an animal's strengths and weaknesses are left for us to discover rather than being given to us by the devs.
midnight bane
Ya i edited it now
indigo sun
@leaden cargo juvies will be able to keep up just fine post-recode
potent sparrow
That is gonna feel weird if juvies are almost just as fast as adults. See them tiny juvie utahs zooming across the map for their size. Would be hilarious to see but that's how I am picturing it lmao
covert birch
Juvis are gonna be able to keep up with the adults walk
potent sparrow
That makes more sense. Lmao. Here I'm thinking about speedy juvies like how spiders sprint across the floor. "What is that moving dot?!?!"
ebon tiger
@left nacelle if you managed to break a Para's crest, it probably would lose its voice, since the crest is made from the nasal passages
left nacelle
Well can't they still make sounds without the crest?
Or are the nasal passages required for any sound at all
ebon tiger
odds are it'd greatly affect their ability to vocalise, at least for hadrosaurs
breathing and smelling would be somewhat compromised too
though i think it could probably still breathe through the mouth
i doubt it could smell, though, since depending on the break, it likely wouldn't be able to draw air into the nose
left nacelle
Well what if it was just the end of it that was broken off? Or is that what you're talking about
ebon tiger
if you look at how the nasal passages look, you'll see what would be effected
left nacelle
Hmmm interesting
Maybe that could be the para's "weak point" then
I edited my suggestion
covert birch
iirc dondi mentioned that no mesh deformation will occur and iirc that means models n shit wont be showing wounds like broken horns/crests
left nacelle
I remember him saying it would be possible to lose limbs and stuff
I wouldn't be surprised if certain creatures could lose specific parts of their body. Like Para losing its crest or Stego losing some plates
covert birch
He mentioned ripping off bits of dead bodies
not live ones
thorny crag
how about when you get damage you get grey screen and it gets more and more blurred
empty sigil
@lime drum Concerning the mother tree Idea, I like it but I think instead of just one tree there are a few larger more complicated trees that can give the same uses, that are rare and scattered through the map, like ten or fifteen for spero maybe. and not too excessively large either, strain trees need to be at the top.
thorny crag
this would be an example for alternate hurt screen
maybe even add heart sound pumping and moving blur
lime drum
Who said mother tree isnt a dormant strain? 
But I would like just one huge tree, thats the point of it being the Mother Tree. a mother implies it has offspring so, could have a few offspring around the map but singular mother tree must exist
empty sigil
@dim ore I like most of the display ideas, but I've got an issue with the sauropod suggestion, seeing as sauropods had far less neck vertebrae than modern birds with long necks, I think a more sound based display would be better for sauropods. and I know the devs don't care about realism, this is just my opinion
well then the devs would have to put some sort of lore in for it because generally there aren't just huge god trees in the center of islands
thorny crag
version 2 (sorry to interrupt the discussion just wanted to leave that there, please continue)
I'd love different idle types, good idea
empty sigil
not bad
I think that maybe instead of a warping effect the color gets drained on the sides and the more hurt you get a bit of darkness encroaches on the sides and when you're more hurt everything but the center is black and white and not quite as far in there's darkness, but In the center I think it should stay fully colored for gameplay purposes
dim ore
@empty sigil hey for sure i merely meant that they throw their heads back as a display..it doesn't literally have to touch their spines or anything..but whatever the devs come up with would be good, mine was just a random idea. thanks for the feedback though
empty sigil
👍
thorny lynx
What do people think of a 5 call that differentiates from a 4 call?
An 'alarm' versus 'help me' while in a battle
covert birch
In the end they somewhat serve a same purpose
Both kinda say "something bad is here"
imo its unnecessary plus the whole im sorry stuff in your suggestion prolly wouldnt stop/convince the very murderous playerbase we have now to not kill ya
strange wave
if anything its just more reason too
empty sigil
It still makes sense though, most animals we know today scream and shit when they're attacked it doesn't stop them dying. why not give players that option
thorny lynx
If you're a herd animal, screaming can buddies if those buddies outnumber your attackers. I watched a video of a cape buffalo literally getting his ass eaten alive by lions and he bellowed continuously for help. The herd turned back and charged at the lions. They even licked the injured bull's wounds and helped him up.
Tl;dr, animals call for help, too.
valid zephyr
@rare crest love that idea. It's so frustrating trying to sneak through jungle, and often means you're spotted before the camera has cleared the trees.
sonic cloud
The single most annoying thing as any animal is having your camera behind a bush and your entire front half sticking out of it.
I like the idea but I also think that cameras should be able to zoom in closer to the head on top of your suggestion @rare crest
ashen wasp
LOVE that skitter suggestion- didnt know it was even possible for birds
buoyant pike
Hey, with alt turn being added in as an actual mechanic now with animations and everything. Will different creatures turn at different speeds? Because rn the main form of combat is riding which I'm not sure how that will change with the advent of collision, but for Cerato, its main bread and butter is its dirty turn radius and speed. With alt turn being added I feel like this will affect ceratos combat ability pretty heavily. I was just kinda curious how (if at all) cerato will be altered to compete with the new mechanics other dinos can now utilize
covert birch
yes different animals will have diff turn speeds
buoyant pike
U k ow that for sure?
covert birch
you can tell by looking at utah alt turn and then looking at trike alt turn in the new stuff
they are different
high crane
Ass riding is not gonna be possible, which is good because it's cancer anyway, but ass biting will still be a thing skilled players can do.
strange wave
i like that idea
covert birch
seems complicated imo
ide just rather have a dino give more or less food based on how full they were
So like a rex at 75% food gives more food then a rex at 35% food
Plus it would prolly be a pain to code something like in that suggestion
midnight bane
Amazing suggestion @noble pine i really like it
noble pine
barren zephyr
@wanton drift keep in mind that the current version of the cera we play is not even comparable to the new one. In addition it already does major damage. I like the hyena mountain goat idea. It's ambush does need to be buffed though. It should also have a body slam ability
But that's just my opinion...
wanton drift
I know, I was saying either way it's going to be a complete overhaul, but I was just suggesting what specifically could be changed/added
covert birch
wait what dont bring me into this
The cryo itself was all you
Also the mechanic itself was just an idea which can be applied to literally anything
barren zephyr
I mean you were the encouragement
covert birch
true
@barren zephyr also heaven i feel like leech abilities shouldnt really feed a dino due to the fact it would allow mixpacking
covert birch
So in this case what would stop a cryo from sitting with his trike buddy and then slurping from it every so often
barren zephyr
Not exactly mix packing, but I see the point
covert birch
Imo any form a flesh grazing or leeching should work like this
You do the ability then you gain a buff which stops you from losing hunger or taking starvation damage for X amount of time (depends on dino, the dino being attacked and how much damage the attack did)
Then you also have a cooldown for that ability that is 2x the amount of time the duration of hunger loss stopping was
So lets say imma giga who just flesh grazed a cama
I now dont lose hunger for 5 minutes, but i cant get the flesh graze hunger loss buff for 10 minutes
thorny crag
@zenith onyx I saw the mechanic and it's not only that the bodies are floating they also float towards the shore, so that would be useless but maybe a thing when you die in the middle of the ocean. no idea how long the timer goes to despawn bodies but yea.. they float towards the shore so no sinking possible after x amount of time
ebon tiger
@zenith onyx plesiosaurs (and i assume you meant Liopleurodon with "pluerodon"?) give birth to live young, like ichthyosaurs and mosasaurs do
ebon tiger
Liopleurodon (and related ones like Kronosaurus) also give birth to live young, as they're pliosaurs, which are plesiosaurs
ebon tiger
as far as i'm aware, the only marine reptile you mentioned there that lays eggs is the Archelon, as it's a turtle
ebon tiger
no worries, just trying to help 🙂
zenith onyx
🙂
buoyant pike
@covert birch I just dont like the idea of cera being a scavenger. They supposedly hunted stego irl. Plus scavenging isnt exactly engaging gameplay wise. Plus Cera lived in dense vegetation and river basins(apparently) not mountains.
Cera if played right can tango with almost any dino as of now
covert birch
Cera didnt hunt stegos
iirc cera was the jaguar of its time
Basically goin for stuff in the water
covert birch
And about the scavenger thing
The scavenger wouldnt be its main gameplay options
Imagine a hyena
You can actively hunt
But you can also scavenge
Basically cera would be a big bully type thin
bullys small tiers off carcasses
While also being able to hold his own against things like carno
buoyant pike
I play mostly cera
ebon tiger
aye, hyenas are more active hunters than lions are, but they'll also readily eat any carcasses they come across and adapted for that
covert birch
^^
zenith onyx
I really Like your explanation for cerato.
buoyant pike
Ok. I play cerato mostly
And I dont want my dino to turn into
Walk up
Scare what evers there
Eat food
Leave
That's boring as hell
ebon tiger
that's not what Blue's suggesting
zenith onyx
It's a good tool to have as a cerato. to be able to scavenge and hunt; either or.
buoyant pike
😑
covert birch
Im saying youll be good at scavenging
Not that its your only option
ebon tiger
aye
covert birch
you can still actively hunt
But you also have the scavenge option
buoyant pike
Anyone can scavenge
And with compy ai the ribs won5 be around long enough to rot anyways
covert birch
Not everyone can eat rotten gores
zenith onyx
only the copy will really be able to eat rotten gore.
buoyant pike
And cera..
ebon tiger
the difference is that, like the hyena, the Cerato would get more benefits from carcasses than other predators would, allowing it more flexibility when it comes to food.
it'll still hunt, but it can eat the entire carcass and if something bigger chases it off, it can come back later and eat what the other predators cannot
covert birch
Cerato would basically be able to A: find gores from a large distance, B: eat gores that are rotten, C: eat bones (bone eating was in the original concepts iirc) and D: Possibly gain a rancid bite after a certain amount of time eating rotten gore
buoyant pike
Where are u getting rancid bite from
zenith onyx
cool. idk know about the rancid bite thing!
covert birch
As a unique mechanic which can play into the cerato itself
ebon tiger
rotten food scraps stuck in the teeth, i guess
buoyant pike
Well there ya have it
The dev's I talked to all they said was it could eat old gore
Never even mentioned eating bones
covert birch
The gore thing was in concept. lemme pull up the old dossier rq cuz i think it was there
Nvm cant seem to find it
ebon tiger
i get the impression that Slippery doesn't get what a suggestions channel is
buoyant pike
Ya but I'm just talking about what's in the game and how I feel about it
Those are my suggestions
buoyant pike
Then yall are saying other stuff that "will" be and what makes the current stuff ok
covert birch
instead of the bloodbag it kinda is now
buoyant pike
When the stuff ur reasoning it with isnt even mentioned on on any official level
ebon tiger
none of us said "will"
covert birch
Slippery im saying it can be
im not saying its 100% confirmed to happen
ebon tiger
exactly
buoyant pike
Ok folk
ebon tiger
not sure where you got the impression we were saying it was confirmed?
that's why i questioned if you understood that it was a suggestion
zenith onyx
Did anybody hear about the mechanic where the spino in the recode will be able to power run across lake or river beds? and then surge to the surface if need be?
covert birch
yes spino is gonna run underwater as a hippo
covert birch
with spinos running lookin somewhat weightless it would make sense to me imo
Plus doesnt seem to hard to do
zenith onyx
I didn't think they looked weightless as they ran.
It just seemed it wasn't heavy enough as a creature of that size.
ebon tiger
@rotund panther funnily enough, one of the paleo guys here had some info that suggested the Rex had similar padding on its feet, so even at 7tons or more, it could walk super-quietly 😛
rotund panther
That is scary @ebon tiger
zenith onyx
K. cool.
ebon tiger
indeed. kinda terrifying really 😛
zenith onyx
The game will be so much better once it's finished version is here.
rotund panther
Would shit my pants irl when a carni would attack without me knowing it
zenith onyx
But i've heard that you'll be able to hear drifts if the whatever dino is running near you.
rotund panther
Yea, and even better when the sound tracking is improved. It just little odd that running and walking is equally loud right now. Seems even so in the new version. But that is just the utha for the moment..
zenith onyx
I'm also looking towards the grazing aspect for herbivores.
that will make it much easier for herb players to survive until they can find better food to ease their hunger.
rotund panther
Cool mechanic. But Grazing would be a more like a last resort to survive. U would not even get ur hunger up while grazing.
But I think the younger dinos should be able to eat full and the larger u become, harder is to fill up the stomach
zenith onyx
yes. It would be something you would resort to when you can't smell in the rain possibly.
And it prob won't feed you as much once you get older.
rotund panther
But maybe there are different grazes which gives more food to different species? It doesn’t need to a bush/tree
zenith onyx
we'll I think that depending on your species size and weight maybe could mean where or what grazing means?
Hysilodon it might mean just bending over and eating a few bites of grass and being good on food.
For the Magy it might mean sticking it's head up into the branches of a tree and nibbling for a few min or nibbling for 10 min?
idk.
rotund panther
Yea maybe. Ofc vegetation will have different substance/chemicals to muscles, bones etc. So grazing maybe be a part of the diet of many species. Even for the magy when it is pretty small
zenith onyx
and age might be a factor as well too if grazing will bring up your hunger too. But we won't know until the recode is released.
rotund panther
Thay will probably be in. When u grow u will need to eat more
Like now in the game
round kelp
Random and a but late but I WOULD ADORE Cryolophosaurus I LOVE THAT DINOOO AHHH
And I think adding those lil different things is nice too ^^ I just generally adore the dino so anything they'd do with it I'd be all game! Im not gonna pretend to know what mechanics it could have but I think it'd be great to show cryolo some LOVE
rotund panther
Or less when u become too old as a elder
zenith onyx
It would be cool for cryo to have a like an ability to flash certain colors to show if it's friendly or dangerous. like use its crest when it's voice is getting hoarse.
yeah maybe what you said.
rotund panther
They are adding many dinos so in the future maybe
We will see in the future if they heard us @zenith onyx
zenith onyx
yes. That would be interesting to know if they did hear us @rotund panther
In the future at least.
covert birch
@zenith onyx heres what dinosauriac said about vc
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/651912445496918017
also about the situation of telling your friends run instead just use 4 call cuz thats what its there for
zenith onyx
I agree with @zinc fern's point of view on the Hypsilodon and the Herrera. It would be cool for it to be able to copy other dinos for survival. Think about it. If it needed to, it could try to copy an adult Dilo and scare off possibly scare another predator out of the area of per say its nest or home?
noble pine
@covert birch I unironically just caught a snapping turtle like 20 minutes ago
covert birch
what kind of snapper?
covert birch
The water makes it a tad hard to see
ebon tiger
i can see the head
noble pine
It’s not a great picture but I couldn’t do much with a phone
molten tulip
I really like the idea of elder dinos having buffs if they successfully raised a dino to adulthood
covert birch
@proven venture humans were planned before dinosaurs were as playable. Humans will be something servers can decide to turn on and off
Play on a server that has them off instead
peak wedge
Joke suggestions arent allowed iirc my dude @proven venture
proven venture
oh well
long gull
As the suggestion was not serious it has been removed. Reminder to only post serious suggestions in the future, thank you. 🙂
proven venture
Also could u please stop @ing me it’s getting annoying, thank u
END of conversation It wasn’t a joke
austere spruce
the heck is that feedback
paper oriole
Lowkey hurt to read some parts of that
noble pine
Um, admins can ping whoever they want if it’s related to the rules.
That feedback makes me wants to 
austere spruce
🤢 the first animation feedback
radiant aspen
After looking at Deino's idle animation, I was thinking if a form of tiny pterosaur would be added to the game which would occasionally spawn and pick on the deino's teeth as dental hygiene or symbiotic relationship. It can also server another purpose such as flying around larger creatures such as shant, cama. brachi, etc, and picking off the bugs or parasites that large creatures have trouble scratching or picking off themselves.
Here is a picture for reference if just the regular compy is good enough for this job.
sonic cloud
Saurophaganax is literally just a slightly bigger Allo.
We already have Giga filling in that role, and at least Giga looks somewhat different
balmy leaf
I would love to have Iguanodon. A fast herbivore with high stamina capable of bleeding. That would be the only fast herbivore that makes bleeding. That's pretty much a classic, but dang, there's too much carnivores and herbivores are disadvantaged. An Iguanodon would be hella cool.
proven moss
@sonic cloud the Saur is over 12 ft longer and almost double weight
sonic cloud
So a bigger Allo, explain how that isn’t Giga
proven moss
giga is bleed based but not speed or stam based
sonic cloud
sonic cloud
What do you want? Your dinosaur is literally a bigger Allo
We already have Acro and giga being large bleeders, giga is literally an endurance hunter already.
I’m not going to waste any more of my energy on somebody who’s only justification for adding a redundant playable is “i LiKe It”
molten tulip
a fast giant bleeder totally wont be op
covert birch
@proven moss sauro would literally just be another allo,
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/688178398404542488/Saurofaggotaxe.png
Ide much rather have alberto be in the slot of a very slightly bigger midtier
strange wave
ain't we already getting A. maximus sized allo?
still temple
@balmy leaf Iguanodon, fast?
zenith onyx
How big will the Tenonto or Iguanodon be compared to raptor or a rex?
still temple
being faster than trike isnt saying much
and sth like this def wouldnt be faster than TI's biped para
still temple
I doubt it, Iguano is a big chunky boi. (credit Doctor nova) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/661665481597517834/Hadro_and_Iguano.png
zenith onyx
so might be about the same speed as the maia or the para.
balmy leaf
it isn't really chunky, it's pretty slim for its size i think
balmy leaf
that is like 4 tons for 5m of height, a bit as heavy as the para ?
a bit heavier than the para*
still temple
4 tons is no where near slim
zenith onyx
rex is six tons right?
still temple
for example, A. fragilis is the same length at 9m, but is "only" 2.2 t
@zenith onyx 8
zenith onyx
oh...
balmy leaf
yes that's true
zenith onyx
So it MIGHT be able to take on rex?
balmy leaf
i thought it was pretty light
zenith onyx
or no?
still temple
depends on where it shanks it's thumb spikes. but the 4-5 t difference is nothing to scoff at.
balmy leaf
I think it could be a bit faster than Para while galopping, but have less stam
zenith onyx
well it's going to be tougher in battle, it needs it's stam to battle enemies at all fronts.
lilac swallow
Rex still weights twice a iguano
still temple
I dont agree. That would open up to griefing possibilities
balmy leaf
and be between the para and the maia speeds, with a thing like 36 km/h speed ?
still temple
Para is meant to run, while Iguano is fully capable of combat
lilac swallow
And definitely for balance's sake para shouldnt be slower than iguano as at least iguano can fight
still temple
why should Iguano be faster than para
balmy leaf
hmmm true
zenith onyx
I think it needs its speed to run from battle if it so desires not to fight.
or get out of a fight.
balmy leaf
maybe a bit faster than dibble tho, but then it would not be really really useful to add
lilac swallow
Sure, but not faster than para
zenith onyx
why not?
balmy leaf
'cuz they would be bleeders like dibbles, not much faster, less bulky
lilac swallow
Because para can only run and iguano can run and fight
And It still weights 4 tons, thats sucho tier
zenith onyx
But the para doesn't usually have to run from any fights besides rex and gigas.
The iguano looks like it can run faster.'
balmy leaf
maybe more agile when trotting or walking
zenith onyx
Because it's not top heavy like the para.
balmy leaf
it wouldn't be really different from the dibble
It's still heavier than the para of The Isle
balmy leaf
that weighs 3800 kg
lilac swallow
Iguano, is basically an herbivore sucho
still temple
y'all seem to be ignoring those massive forearms
still temple
you got a source for that?
balmy leaf
yeah an igua that would be herbivore sucho would be nice
lilac swallow
Their are on the same size range
still temple
tail muscles are there for counterbalance, and strong leg muscles are definitely present, but the same could be said for para
lilac swallow
They*
still temple
and Para doesnt have massive arms
balmy leaf
I still would love to play as an Iguanodon, a pretty good herb fighter
I think the devs should stop keeping adding more carnis even if the herb roster is so small
compared to carni
still temple
I want Iguano. I dont want him to be faster than Para though.
balmy leaf
Yeah I understand and you're right
lilac swallow
We Will have more herbis than carnis
balmy leaf
I thought it was pretty fast 'cuz it didn't look really fat in all the illustrations I saw
i didn't think about these arms
I hope so :/
still temple
a LOT of illustrations dont take into account those arms
especially older reconstructions
zenith onyx
look at it's legs compared to its forearms. And I read an article about para saying that its head weighs almost the same weight as its spine.
lilac swallow
Iguano is dino gorilla
still temple
"And I read an article about para saying that its head weighs almost the same weight as its spine."
lilac swallow
Idc about cheirus but It would be a the only posible apex tier omnivore
balmy leaf
Yes
zenith onyx
I hope the Ptera is the second carni introduced after the utah and the tenonto are in.
mockery!
Flaffy?
what was that?
balmy leaf
I hope the Tenonto would be a good herb
still temple
"the para's weight is all in its legs."
oh nvm I thought u were referring to Iguano
still temple
but still, claiming a hallow skull has the same mass as the entire spine is very very absurd
zenith onyx
they didn't have a hallow skull.
lilac swallow
Even if It wasnt hollow, its absurdo thinking that
still temple
Guess para didnt need cavities to hold the brain, nasal passages, eyeballs etc
solid skull para ftw
zenith onyx
Those chambers in it's head were used to produce chemicals it expelled out of it's nose and into predators eyes and mouth.
still temple
ookay you lost me there.
zenith onyx
killing them or injuring horribly.
still temple
again, got a source for that?
zenith onyx
I got it from a book i have in my library. memory.
still temple
then that book is wrong
still temple
you do realise ur digging up research from a guy who's using info from 1800s
and palaeontology is a notoriously shaky field
zenith onyx
Yes things do change. But evidence has shown otherwise that he was wrong.
I meant sorry that no evidence has shown he was wrong sorry*
blah.
I got screwed up.
still temple
zenith onyx
lol.
full cedar
Well from a neutral point of view anything from that time period has a track record of being inaccurate. Maybe no evidence is proving him wrong because of how absurd it is in the first place. Sorry if that sounds rude I don't mean for it to.
zenith onyx
Tons of things today are wrong too.
LIke the idea that the coronovirus is gong to wipe the human race out of existence.
Listen to that absurd idea.
still temple
You do realise the original person who even suggested the idea in the first place had no training in palaeontology
and likely pulled the idea out of his ass
zenith onyx
Why do you think he pulled it out of HIS ass.
still temple
along with him having alterior motives, as Duane T. Gish was a predominant creationist and tried to explain the "leviathan" in the bible as a fire/chemical breathing dinosaur
because there is no solid evidence for his claims
zenith onyx
No. but there's no evidence that the rex was a solid predator.
It's teeth were too fragile to even pierce flesh.
and its roots.
for its teeth.
still temple
It's teeth were too fragile to even pierce flesh.
where's the evidence
and we do in fact have specimens of edmontosaurus showing signs of healing after a predator attack
zenith onyx
yes. But from what predator?
still temple
Tyrannosaurus is the only known large theropod in HC
zenith onyx
ANd edmontosaurus was a species in Europe. T rex was located in canada and The united states.
still temple
Edmontosaurus was present in North america
zenith onyx
When in what time period>?
still temple
"ANd edmontosaurus was a species in Europe. "
Now ur just making shit up.
both edmontosaurus species are only known from NA formations
When in what time period>?
Late cretaceous
covert birch
Edmontosaurus (/ɛdˌmɒntəˈsɔːrəs/ ed-MON-tə-SAWR-əs) (meaning "lizard from Edmonton") is a genus of hadrosaurid (duck-billed) dinosaur. It contains two known species: Edmontosaurus regalis and Edmontosaurus annectens. Fossils of E. regalis have been found in rocks of western North America that date from the late Campanian stage of the Cretaceous Period 73 million years ago,
lilac swallow
Yeah because animals can only live in one place
zenith onyx
There was a landbridge before the flood.
Species crossed it to reach other continents.
for food or because of droughts.
still temple
"The first well-supported species of Edmontosaurus was named in 1892 as Claosaurus annectens by Othniel Charles Marsh. snip Both were collected in 1891 by John Bell Hatcher from the late Maastrichtian-age Upper Cretaceous Lance Formation of Niobrara County (then part of Converse County), Wyoming."
covert birch
During this time frame (1902–1915), two additional important specimens of C. annectens were recovered. The first, the "mummy" specimen AMNH 5060, was discovered in 1908 by Charles Hazelius Sternberg and his sons in Lance Formation rocks near Lusk, Wyoming. Sternberg was working for the British Museum of Natural History, but Henry Fairfield Osborn of the American Museum of Natural History was able to purchase the specimen for $2,000.[11] The Sternbergs recovered a second similar specimen from the same area in 1910,[12] not as well preserved but also found with skin impressions. They sold this specimen (SM 4036) to the Senckenberg Museum in Germany.
still temple
@zenith onyx please dont make stuff up.
zenith onyx
I didn't.
still temple
ur grasping at straws at this point.
covert birch
There are bones they sold to a museum in germany
They werent found in germany
still temple
the holotype for edmontosaurus was found in Wyoming.
Last i checked, Wyoming is in NA
blatantly lying to prove a point isnt a very nice thing to do.
zenith onyx
I didn't lie. Im sorry you think I did.
still temple
Edmonton is the town in germany it was first found.
then what is this?
zenith onyx
But I guess my info was not as strong as yours.
zenith onyx
prob and I'm sorry if that was what it was.
still temple
you still have not addressed:
Fire/chemical breathing Parasaurolophus
Tyrannosaurus not an active predator
Edmontosaurus somehow showing up in Europe
zenith onyx
im not understanding.
Oh.
I remember watching a documentary about how the trex's teeth were cerated to cut but not flesh, but rather possibly plant life like some of the sauropods that have cerated teeth for tearing tree leaves.
still temple
Documentaries are most definitely not the most accurate source for information.
still temple
then why do you quote them as fact
zenith onyx
But books can't be either nor the internet.
Nobody is completely right in the scientific field until they are actually there though.
still temple
tbh the internet is where the most updated information is. PROVIDED you know where to look.
Scientific papers are a great source for learning
zenith onyx
Yes I know that.
still temple
Nobody is completely right in the scientific field until they are actually there though.
but baseless theories can most definitely be proven wrong
Yes I know that.
then again, why do you keep quoting old books and documentaries when you do know that better sources of information are out there
zenith onyx
Because I Can't always find those sources.
At least at the libraary where I get most of my Info.
still temple
then wouldnt it be better to say "i dont know this" rather than proposing outlandish claims that have already been disproven to fuel a strawman argument
zenith onyx
Im sorry.
lets drop this plz.
I made a few mistakes and Im sorry for them. I guess I didn't have all the Info.
zenith onyx
I'm not as much of a dino nerd as I used to be.
strange wave
ok what in the holy fuck did i just read
strange wave
edmontosaurus was named after the city of edmonton in alberta canada, how i know this is because i live here, and t. rex couldn't pierce flesh!?! 431,000 psi couldn't pierce flesh, what.
covert birch
just move on bork
the dicussions over
zenith onyx
sorry that I've g=created such an uproar.
strange wave
not opposed to it
left nacelle
Isn't hesperornis literally just austro?
Like... They'll be really similar in game I feel
zenith onyx
It's a water Austro. But without it's forearms and claws.
zenith onyx
In the recode or now?
left nacelle
It's always been planned to be semi aquatic. It ate fish irl
It even has an old diving animation
zenith onyx
INteresting.
covert birch
while i do love hesperonis it would make more sense as an austro or beipi skin imo
random imp
hersperornis is just an austro copy, only less mobile and less threatning
valid elk
Anyone wanna help me refine my suggestion?
zenith onyx
I'll help you refine it.
The protoceratop's beak was very sharp. I really like your idea on how it should have a very powerfull bite. Paleontologists said its beak could chop off fingers or toes like the now days parrots.
valid elk
@zenith onyx Well, we do have evidence of Protoceratops breaking a Velociraptors arm with one bite
zenith onyx
The one fossil with the proto fighting the velociraptor in the desert.
valid elk
Yup
valid elk
Parrots today can break a finger off with one bite, could you imagine Protoceratops?
zenith onyx
yep. It had a bigger beak too. a lot more damage to thy fingers or arms.
valid elk
Or legs. This dude easn't huge, sheep sized
zenith onyx
yep. bigger than a parrot by alot though.
valid elk
Which makes them the perfect ankle biters, but...they can take ya ankle off
zenith onyx
yeah...yikes.
icy lion
@barren zephyr Emily Stepp (the artist) is an official Isle staff concept artist. she's Tapwing. also i'm pretty sure hypos are last-priority content, but itd be nice to have more
ebon tiger
huh? Tapwing and Emily Stepp aren't the same person
and as far as i know, Emily's not an official concept artist
@silver dagger you can confirm, aye?
icy lion
i guess people usually talk about/show their works in tandem, so my brain made a dumb connection
indigo sun
@barren zephyr theyve said hyper deino wont exist because it already gets a legendary size when it lives long enough
barren zephyr
oh
last heath
@olive olive radioactive tornado?
olive olive
Yea, sort of... Something that can boost your abilities instead of hypo dinos
paper oriole
But why tho
Theyve already put bunches of effort into the hypers
They'd need a damn good reason to drop them for something else
olive olive
And who benefits from these dinosaurs
paper oriole
A reason worth all the money spent on making the current strains
It's something to work towards, hypers are population wipes basically, the others add a horror aspect
olive olive
There is no balance if there is a Hypo rex vs a normal adult rex
paper oriole
Well, i suppose hypers are also a part of the horror aspect, it is supposed to be survival horror after all
olive olive
Is enough horror to have a night surrounded by dilos
While you are a fresh rex/giga adult
paper oriole
Hypers are going to be very rare, and you aren't supposed to 1v1 one
You are supposed to haul ass
olive olive
Each of us have his own opinions
paper oriole
Yep, we can agree to disagree
Though, i've heard servers can choose to disable strains so there's that
paper oriole
Some servers will likely have humans and strains disabled
olive olive
I don't disagree here, is their choice to implement humans
paper oriole
Also, elders are going to be somewhat like you suggested, a power boost but then they'll become weaker after. Except it isn't a radioactive tornado it's just old dinos lol
olive olive
It was an example, the ideea with tornado was for the moment that arrived in my head
Could be some gas
For example on Utah, + 100 Bit rate, + 15% jump, + 15% resistance on breaking a leg +15 % more stamina, + 15% more speed
All of these = hypo utah
strange wave
ok but you do realize that hyper animal will either have to kill everything or starve
you will not be able to keep it alive
unless you purge every single island of all life
silver dagger
Just saw the tag, I'm definitely not Tapwing.
And also not an official artist on the dev team.
potent sparrow
will reverse/stepping backwards be a thing?
random imp
with the alt turn rework it won't be necessary.
waxen cloak
Yeah but it would look so much cooler if two rexes walked backwards getting ready to clash. Rather than them Turning their butts to eachother and abruptly stepping forward like they were dueling.
but it would probably be too hard to do
programming nightmare probably
icy lion
sidestepping would be nice from a handling standpoint but itd be not only hard to code, but hard to animate without it looking like theropods are dislocating their hips
waxen cloak
yeah... also weird controls would have to be introduced
valid elk
Anyone else have ideas to add to the Protoceratops digging idea
covert birch
Personally i prefer a warthog style burrowing ava
zenith onyx
wait burrowing avas?
ashen wasp
The Egyptian Plover/ crocodile tooth-cleaning symbiotic relationship is actually a myth. Based off of no evidence other than some dude’s unsubstantiated eyewitness report, any pictures depicting the behavior are either cartoons or photoshop.
covert birch
Even if it aint real dont mean its a bad idea
@zenith onyx
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pqxEOZJQnhX4D04wlgQlUa632NEHGk7rU4qpZw_o8ko/edit?usp=sharing
ashen wasp
Oh I’m of no doubt it’d be an interesting mechanic!! And it’s fit right in with the other fictional aspects of the game!!
covert birch
personally i prefer minmi being a gopher tortoise stype burrower and/or pygmy hippo style aquatic then having loose skin which imo doesnt really look like the minmi model has
dim ore
mocking bird hypsi...can you imagine a hypsi roaring like a rex LOL
ebon tiger
Hypsi mimicking Merc radio chatter 😛
would be like that vid of a Lyrebird mimicking camera shutters and chainsaws
covert birch
personally ide prefer a carni with call mimicking
such as how herra used to have the "booming voice" thing to sound like a big boi when it aint that large
or like a carni/omni call mimicing as an adult X to attract a baby X thats trying to hide in the bushes
paper oriole
Since ovi has a short little beak like a parrot he should get it just because lol
covert birch
Nah we should add this chad and give call mimicing to him
Image walkin in the woods as a juvi and hearing an adult of your species then this mofo pounces ya from above
grave karma
covert birch
cuz giant parrots = chad
covert birch
@frank slate in an old foz stream it showed an egg selection thing in the menu
https://www.twitch.tv/foszor/clip/AnnoyingSquareFennelPlanking?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time
frank slate
zenith onyx
I love the idea for the burrowing ava.
covert birch
@winter kraken trike is gonna be much much stronger post-recode with the combination of locational damage, collision, and alt turn being forced
You wont be facetanking a trike as rex or trading hits with it as giga
And spino wont be assriding it no more
barren zephyr
@winter kraken did you write this because you where upset loosing your trike to a rex on nycta?
winter kraken
Losing my trike? I'm in no way upset, I still got my Trike. I dont even play Nycta neither do I plan on playing there, Did you reply to me because you're salty Trikes could get perhaps buffed? Why would you even assume I died to a rex when I gave reasonable points against all the apexes? @barren zephyr
@covert birch And thanks for the solid explanation. That would be really cool to see.
outer nebula
@winter kraken wrong trike actually heals bleed at the same rate as giga and they actually do the same amount of bleed to each other. and two to a rex is fatal to a rex, for spino, spino is a sandbox dino that has sandbox stats which are not the same as survival stats
winter kraken
@outer nebula I can agree and disagree, I dont have any prove, But however, I did had multiple occasions where I had to fight off a giga, It would walk around me, try to get me from behind, and he decided to bite me 3-4 times, while I gave him 3 horn attacks, and he ran away, I sat down and healed my bleed, which took a while, and the healing itself took quite some time, 5-10 minutes later, the giga returns not seeing any scratch on his body, or atleast, the fade away scratches which sign he has been just healed from first screen, while I still was on 2d screen.
@outer nebula Have you tested this personally?
outer nebula
yup i have on several occasions actually
also servers with no alt turn are actually how the game isnt suppose to play like. in most cases its kinda based on the player not the dinos
winter kraken
I actually do play on a server with no alt turn, and it also depends on many factors, like there are chances a horn attack doesnt connect, how well the player plays, but I also did have multiple occasions where they came back like a bunch of punks to go for a round 2.
It would be nice to actually see stats of the dino you play, and hopefully something like that will be implemented into the game.
indigo sun
Well forced alt turn, collision, and weight removal from combat plus a change of bleed should help out a bit. After that its likely gonna be up to the player learning
strange wave
@zenith onyx " for the Tenonto sense its such a large creature " what? tenonto is as tall as a utah
covert birch
@potent sparrow dondi said that when going down a cliff you will start sliding and after sliding for a certain amount of time you will start tumbling and taking damage
zenith onyx
I heard The tenonto was going to be about he size of the maia or the para.
icy lion
no, its never been
i thiiink theres some concept art if you scroll up a little in #phase-two-archive that shows some comparisons
echo jungle
How about some accurate eta’s? Lol
icy lion
and YOU need to go to #rules-and-info and scroll up
"9. Please do not ask for ETA's (Estimated Time of Arrivals) content will be released when it's ready."
also the teno concepts were much higher in phase 2 than i thought, so here they are
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/664914260648001555/664922874519355435/Teno.jpg
zenith onyx
The ones attacking the utahs might be juvs.
zenith onyx
But the iguanodon fossils in real life are para sized. why would they change it to something it was not?
zenith onyx
It's teh same creature.
covert birch
2 different animals
zenith onyx
Thub spikes on its hands?
covert birch
Teno is red
Iguanodon is green
zenith onyx
This is so weird....