but without the large blind spot for the snout, and without the different FoVs required
#general-feedback-discussion
ebon tiger
normal wolf
its like when u press alt in arma 3, u can look to ur sides but u cant look behind cuz u have a human neck
ebon tiger
aye. but dinosaurs don't have human necks either
normal wolf
but they have necks lol
ebon tiger
so some species would be able to look behind them, but others would have trouble doing so
ebon tiger
which irl is why they have different eye positions to allow them to compensate, which we can't easily pull off in-game
normal wolf
yeah, i know that but i still think that would be awesome to do, or find similar way to make it happen, i just like the idea of having this option 🙂
but i understand what u said, i hope someday we have it but the isle is a great game even without it and i NEVER saw better development team!!!! if someone will do will be them
silk rain
Yes I did gothic lol was I not suppose to I’m sorry
ebon tiger
you tagged the wrong person lol
flat ridge
i dont rlly see whats wrong with this suggestion
they're right, all animals wether carni or herbi go through food competition
would be even more relevant considering as players we are gonna want as much food possible to be able to survive, and when it's scarce, competition will happen
covert birch
@flat ridge b/c you can fight over bushes in the game right now. People just dont cuz there are so many.
In recode when food becomes harder to come by and herbis gotta follow specific migration paths itll happen more
fleet pelican
This game is taking place in modern times, so I'm wondering if there will ever be animals that aren't genetically engineered. Like local wildlife that must have existed before the dinos were dropped on the island.
Partial question, partial suggestion.
covert birch
dondi has said no to that
fleet pelican
oh, sorry
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr maia already can run down smaller predators and destroy them, its faster than all carnivores accept for carno
finite elm
What about a zoom / focus vision? Doesnt zoom in much. Just moves the camera closer to your head. Would make it easier to look through brush when youre planning to move out into the open, and make sure nothing is around, or for focusing on an ambush
barren zephyr
i mean run down as in give it a mechanic to trample predators
covert birch
@golden iron
A system like that just makes for bad gameplay
Imagine you made it through the difficult climb to become a rex but now cant hunt anything cuz you got unlucky with AI spawns
Especially with food being harder to come to contact with in recode. Everyone would be weaker at most occasions
frank kiln
I noticed 5 dinosaur that could be nice to play:
-tsintaosaurus
-kileskus aristotocus
-cryolophosaurus
-Deinocheirus
-sinotyrannus kazuoensis
indigo sun
if you wanna suggest em then youre gonna need more than that theyd be nice to place
frank kiln
They have a cool look especially the Deinocheirus
indigo sun
okay you need potential stats or a niche the animal could fill, how it would be different from existing animals, possibly a unique mechanic to set it apart from the rest of the roster so it's not just a suggestion to waste $7000 on a clone animal
looking cool is not a valid reason to add an animal
frank kiln
Ok
golden iron
@somber geode yea but that’s the point. It’s supposed to challenge you. You think realistically Dino’s never starved to death? Starving is just as deadly as getting into a fight. It’s part of the game, so why not enhance it to take more of a toll on your Dino?
trim flume
@loud crag this island is meant be a tropical island, no snow in winter and no leafs falling in fall. Also it would make the server explode if there was a mechanic that made all the leafs gradually fall off the trees. Also it would kinda suck to not have foliage on trees
covert birch
@golden iron because a starving dino should be able to hunt have a chance at hunting things. You shouldnt starve to death b/c of lack of food since that just makes it for bad player experience. You should starve b/c of the fact your bad at the game and cant hunt. This will punish good players a shitton cuz they know how to play they know the strat but uh oh cuz im at 3% food I cant use my knowledge at playing the game to kill that Utah as a cera cuz I'm weaker.
It would create a bad player experience which is what the devs have stated they wanna stay away from
golden iron
@somber geode not everyone gets to die in a blaze of glory battle. You’ll starve if you’re a solo player and can’t get help from your pack to hunt. It will push people to be more social with their species.
Starvation and dehydration should be a major issue for players
So it teaches you how to hunt and work in a group, or it teaches you that the game isn’t built to be an easy survival.
covert birch
Starvation cuz lack of food = bad
Starvation cuz your bad at the game = good
golden iron
I doubt there will be a lack of food honestly
covert birch
AI isnt gonna be as shitty as it is now
Itll spawn not right next to carnis
Itll fight back
And foz said "we will fear his ai"
golden iron
AI will be easier to come by, so if you starve your bad at the game lol
Youre*
It’s a challenge
covert birch
AI wont be easier to come by
golden iron
Depending on how well you can fight
covert birch
That's literally what they are stopping
All fights should be based on skill instead of debuffs and RNG on how lucky ai or any food will be near ya when ya spawn in
golden iron
All im saying is, starvation is going to be a problem even if they don’t give it some features. I would much rather be immersed by getting weaker as I get hungry then starving until I just die.
covert birch
Immersion+realism < gameplay
They will gladly sacrifice any immersion to make the gameplay for all players better
golden iron
It’s basically a dinosaur survival roleplay. It should be immersive.
covert birch
If it were a dinosaur survival roleplay hypos, human anything, other strains, the cannibal things. Wouldnt exist
The game is a survival horror
golden iron
Roleplay doesn’t have to mean historically accurate
covert birch
Normally when people use roleplay they are talkin bout living as a dino when it existed
Just went with what most people argue for
Even then tho
In a survival horror you should fear death from being killed
Not from other stuff
Just thought of another good example
Your a dibble herd following a migration path
You were full when ya left but there is still some distance between where the food is and where ya are
Carno gang shows up
Uh oh we are hungry now and didnt reach where our food is
Guess I'll die cuz I'm weaker
Slow ass herbis will be screwed over in that debuff system with the whole migration path thing
pulsar lake
@frank kiln I want Deinocheirus but not like that.
I already did a suggestion a long time ago about Deinocheirus, and a lot of people did too, and I prefer our version of Deinocheirus : slower Theri that is tankier. Lives in swamp, eats fish, crustaceans and aquatic plants as favorites food.
You can look suggestions about Deinocheirus and hive your opinion about them.
We talk about Deinocheirus a lot in #401464048610312195 in order to see how it can be not redundant to Theriz and a unique animal and we found a lot of things.
indigo sun
I think a tankier cheirus works a lot better than a light and speedy one because a.) Its a massive creature that wades in the water so it's not using that speed on land much and b.) It lives with creatures like deinosuchus and spinosaurus so it'd be better off having more health to either take the damage to get away or beat the shit out of the smaller ones that try to go after it and be able to handle the damage theye going to do to it in a fight
blazing charm
Deinocheireus would also need some alterted combat mechanic(s) other than different stat values.
covert birch
Still dont know what would cherry have that spino and sucho dont
Like what fancy mechanic can it get
frank kiln
@pulsar lake why not
covert birch
@blazing charm can't it just also do the whole mauling thing like the theri in your theri doc did
blazing charm
Dear god no
covert birch
Just less severe
pulsar lake
Wrestle and brute damage.
No bleed and slash attack
blazing charm
I don't see Deinocheirus having the claws for it.
covert birch
Maybe it can just slap stuff around like spino
blazing charm
They'e less like blades, and more like hooks.
indigo sun
Eh im drawing a blank on what it could do
indigo sun
I was thinking possibly a sort of full body shove to knock creatures back but i dunno how well that fits
covert birch
Imo cherry would just be a plant eating spino/sucho clone
pulsar lake
Everybody slash and cute, Cheirus impale
covert birch
Like the only mechanic that can fit for cherry to make it somewhat unique is like water grazing
But that is basically fishing
indigo sun
Water grazing could work hand in hand with fishing where if theres too many plants less fish spawn but if theres no plants at all less fish spawn so a sucho/spino/bigger deinosuchus would want to keep them around but also keep the population in check
pulsar lake
That's going to be a clash between Nines, The Hypsi god and Bluedragon, The Hypsi eradicator
covert birch
Well the issue is
Deinosuchus would want to kill cherry's cuz they would eat all the plants covering em
And giving em camo
pulsar lake
Yeah it could work like that,
too many aquatic plants : less fish spawn
Deinocheirus that cleans the water : more fish spawn
indigo sun
There could still be algae or whatever its called on top of the water to hide deinos and the edible stuff is underneath the water
covert birch
Plus i feel like 1 adult cherry can feed a spino more than a lakesworth of fish can
pulsar lake
plants hide them
They hide in water, not in plants
covert birch
They hide in water covered in plants
pulsar lake
Sucho is already going to be pretty similar against mid tiers.
As spino with apexes
Defend itself with claws
But sucho: small rivers
Spino: ocean
Cheirus: swamp
covert birch
I can see that workin
Still would rather have some kinda unique thing in combat
Now would cherry bite
Cuz geese bite people and cherry has a massive goose like bill
trim flume
@tawdry sentinel u can't have rules that dictate how people behave, if someone decides to be a jerk then it's his right and the only thing u can do about it is call him a jerk and nothing more. Its a dinosaur game not a civilised society simulator
@tawdry sentinel I know there are rules do u think I'm that ignorant? I just think that the rule you're suggesting is stupid. That's why It doesn't exist.
What I said doesn't make your suggestion sound any better so just drop it
"Behave" in the way u suggested
If that wasn't obvious enough
What now?
I was saying that your suggestion is not good, u can't tell people not to do that
I'm not too concerned cause that's never gonna happen
peak oasis
Both of you need to stop this argument.
tropic lava
severe idol
You guys are an exact image of why I took away Reactions in the other channel.
Be good and converse like normal, civil people.
tropic lava
safe galleon
I mean... you could also play on a server that has those rules...
so you expect everything to change because you want it to?
so you expect things to change because you want them to?
is that better?
severe idol
Well. You guys were told to stop. Strikes for you two.
safe galleon
nah that's fair
severe idol
It's hilarious you think that. This is your third one, good bye @tawdry sentinel.
tropic lava
Why kick him?
severe idol
Third strike. He's permabanned.
trim flume
@tropic lava because u don't mess with the authorities
tropic lava
Kinda banned him for no reason
barren zephyr
Not really a concern, back on topic.
tropic lava
Unessisary ban right there
severe idol
He was told to stop arguing, he did not. He had two strikes prior, that became his third. Third strikes are banned.
trim flume
Did I get a strike?
tropic lava
But he is just doing what this server is used for discussing his suggestion and got attacked by two other people starting the argument
severe idol
You had one from earlier, Odysseas. In mid January.
severe idol
This channel is for civil discussion. The discussion turned to argument, the argument was told to stop - it did not. Strikes were dispensed.
There's no more that needs to be said on it.
tropic lava
But it was unfair
tropic lava
I'm just saying that it was just wrong
severe idol
I will now invite you to find a more 'fair' location, then. There was nothing unfair about it. He was told to stop, he didn't. I will now kick you so you can think about it for a minute.
If you care that strongly, you're welcome to find another place to go. If you want to let it go, you're welcome back.
barren zephyr
Alright, strike 1 for you. Told you to move on.
severe idol
He's already gone.
covert birch
@golden iron yes it is
But askin a questiion aint meant for suggestions channel
would be better to ask in isle discussion
golden iron
My suggestion was gonna be to add it lol
severe idol
@indigo vessel - Already confirmed no Auto-walk.
paper oriole
I dont think pairs of apexes should be punished, but anything past that maybe a growth reduction would be good
patent spade
yes punish players for being near others of the same species as them who want to grow together XD
round fox
Well for apexes/the top tiers like Giga,Rex and spino I feel that in a group it should just be pairs.
Yeah it would suck to like have 2 other friends that wanna play giga with you but that could softly encourage nesting
loud oasis
Well i mean currently it's just too easy to grow them. And it becomes even easier when you're being protected.
sonic cloud
^why not give everyone a free apex
fierce kestrel
Holy shit @paper oriole I LOVE your suggestion! Dondi hire this man!
This would add way more depth and realism to the isle!
paper oriole
aaaaay ty
late bloom
^Yeah that was one of the best suggestions I’ve seen, it would make herbi gameplay way better 
night mountain
honestly yeah fund that
trim flume
@paper oriole In the beginning I agreed with your idea but then I thought of this:
there is more than likely there to be a "shake-utahs-off" mechanic in the game which means that if your idea is implemented then the mechanic I mentioned will be rendered useless since there are threes almost everywhere.
paper oriole
I suppose thats true, maybe as a mechanic for certain dinos not all idk
I really really wanna smash a utah against a tree lol
Maybe it could be for para
trim flume
Maybe u could have that as an alternative to the shake off mechanic. U would still lose stamina and get some damage potentially. In that way u don't render the other mechanic useless. U just use whatever favours you in the given circumstance
tight frigate
oh i love the adrenaline mechanic @paper oriole . maybe you can only enter adrenaline mode when the carnivore is visible (so you don't suddenly enter adrenaline mode in the open while a carni is in the bushes) and in a certain radius close to you. so you don't enter adrenaline mode when the carni is like half a mile away.
ionic comet
what would be the point of an adrenaline mechanic? It would negate the ambush making it obsolete
indigo sun
Well the person right above you kinda explained how it could work to make it not obsolete where it's only when the carnivore is in a certain radius and visible to the herbivore. Carnivores could still ambush from tall grass or bushes and manage to get the kill as long as theyre not running at the prey from a mile away
Oh whoops this was like 7 hours ago
past furnace
Maybe the adrenaline mechanic could kick in if you escape a grapple and almost die. It would provide you with a final attempt at not losing your dino. Wouldn't have to be exclusive to herbivores
paper oriole
the adrenaline mechanic would also make the herbivore a bit disoriented due to the vision tunneling and bad turn radius so you could easily use pack strategy to intercept an isolated panicking herbivore
it isn't too powerful i don't think
panicking/stampeding herds are also likely to end up in unintentional injuries or deaths to smaller herd members who don't move out of the way in time which would work in the predators' favour
paper oriole
upvoting your own suggestion not only once, but twice 
tender latch
That's fucked up
patent spade
if the only reason to add something is "emotional purpose" then there is no point to having it cause it brings nothing to the game
carmine cobalt
@jovial shadow A hatch animation would be cool but, instead of waiting a while to hatch you would just hatch right when you accept the invite.
blazing charm
"emotinal purpose" Why would watching a virtual dinosaur hatch invoke a meaningful emotional response? If anything it would get super annoying after awhile.
carmine cobalt
I agree that for it being an emotional purpose makes no sense.
Also in my opinion if i were gonna add a hatch animation I would make it quick.
indigo sun
What the hell is "emotional purposes"
mighty girder
@pulsar lake thank you so much for sending that because I've wanted to find it again for ages
but I never could
god bless u
indigo sun
@dusk atlas wouldnt that just give away carnivores and ruin proper hunts?
indigo sun
@tropic lava people would like serious suggestions more than whatever that's supposed to be.
tropic lava
😭
@tropic lava people would like serious suggestions more than whatever that's supposed to be.
@indigo sun I Think it could really benefit the game
indigo sun
Then make an actual suggestion that doesn't present itself as a poor attempt at a joke.
tropic lava
im serious about this
indigo sun
Sure doesn't look like it.
covert birch
If you are serious about it
Rewrite it in a proper fashion instead of the way it is written now to produce comedic effect
tropic lava
was writing quick as im in game
indigo sun
then you can do it better when you're not playing. or log out temporarily to make a proper suggestion.
severe idol
@tropic lava - Please limit usage of the Suggestion channel to actual suggestions and not amusing, if trolly, requests.
tropic lava
was a serious suggestion. was serious and just got mocked for it. guess i will leave my great ideas to myself
severe idol
Your suggestion was for a transportation system for Dinosaurs in a game where the vague notion of realism is heavily featured.
Please refine your ideas further before sharing them.
tropic lava
😭
patent spade
that new suggestion is something... pretty sure nudity will never be a thing
and if it is then whyyyy
indigo sun
i didnt see any junk on the cannibal model
@nova mango I highly doubt there will be nudity for them to censor. No models shown have ever displayed it and they have no reason to even have it.
twilit pewter
@tropic lava you're gonna get banned bro
indigo sun
<@&401466542140817419> could one of yall take care of that?
twilit pewter
Hope the pic was worth it
tropic lava
haven't done anything wrong
patent spade
except you did
twilit pewter
Suggestions are meant for ACTUAL suggestions not troll
barren zephyr
What is going on?
patent spade
someone being a troll in suggestion
twilit pewter
tropic lava
was just an idea like everyone else
indigo sun
dude got told off for this like two hours ago
somber parrot
@tropic lava If you could post real suggestions, instead of trolling in the channel, that would be nice.
twilit pewter
^^^
tropic lava
fine will do
somber parrot
You already have 2 strikes, if you want the last one, i can give it to you
tropic lava
don't recall the second strike but would not like a third
somber parrot
Wait nevermind, Saoul already asked you the same earlier
tropic lava
ive given up with my idea
somber parrot
It's nice to see you didn't listen.
tropic lava
normal suggestion from now on
barren zephyr
Don't do it again.
tropic lava
got it
somber parrot
Nah, there is no last chance.
barren zephyr
Alright, back to normal discussion in here 🙂
leaden zodiac
I think puking would be kinda cool but not essential
past furnace
Maybe if it's a subtle involuntary thing that stacks as a consequence to eating something that's not good for you. Maybe if your stomach's sour from eating putrid meat, you'd puke every now and then (interrupting whatever you're doing like Scum's "gotta go when you gotta go" mechanic) until you eat some grass or foliage or just sleep it off.
Wouldn't have to be full on puking though, iit could be something less invasive like stopping to dry heave like a cat trying to get a hairball out.
covert birch
@barren zephyr toggle sprint/move is already said to not happen, Fov I have no idea,
Dondi mentioned dung like once in a QNA stream and iirc he said if he ever adds poo it wont be like ark
barren zephyr
Fair enough
covert birch
@magic sundial They are completely replacing v3 in recode so ya wont have to worry about starving there anymore
Btw some bushes do spawn by the river/on top of that mountainy area
acoustic parrot
Imagine posting a suggestions without knowing stuff about the recode
indigo sun
imagine making another literal shit suggestion
severe idol
@verbal scarab - That is already available on the Steam Forums.
verbal scarab
ok thanks I didn’t know
magic sundial
@covert birch sweet
indigo sun
@light depot So uhh, how does that affect the rest of the roster that honestly already get fucked over by giga ( with the exception of rex) because of its already amazing trot and ability to regen stam on the move?
paper oriole
When people make suggestions about speeding gigas run up they never seem to consider how it would screw over mid tiers
covert birch
We got another buff giga speed suggestion?
indigo sun
Why should it be that fast? What is it not killing that it needs this speed boost? I know for a fact gigas aren't going hungry from being slow and pretty much only one other animal kills it so it's not being killed by everything else
paper oriole
RIP diablos, RIP paras, para is already easy pickings for any giga who knows how to use its sniff
Giga has an amazing trot and regens stam while standing it is already built to trot people down across the map it doesnt need a speed buff at all
The fact that giga regens stam while walking and slowass trike doesnt is already ridiculous, if a gigs sees a trike there is no escape
sonic cloud
You can tell that the guy who made the suggestion let a rex catch them
indigo sun
they got the time to make suggestions but not back them up with any proper reasoning
sonic cloud
Despite the fact that rexes aren’t stealthy to the point that a giga needs to walk around with their eyes closed spamming broadcast to be caught by a literal pile of lard
paper oriole
Also they mentioned giga having fast growing speed, they hinting at something?
indigo sun
I have no clue what half of their suggestion is even relevant to, talkin about the relatives and it being homeothermic. it doesnt mean shit for the rest of the suggestion
covert birch
I think hes trying to connect the fact that rex goes fast cuz its also a therapod with the fact giga should also go fast
sonic cloud
Looks like they were just trying to stroke gigas ego/copy and paste from an outdated wiki but don’t be surprised if they make an edit advocating for 5 hours growth or something
covert birch
Also wasnt the whole 50 kmh thing the fastest it's skeleton can allow it to go and not actually how fast it was?
paper oriole
They should let giga run 50km/h but make it so if you try doing that you immediately break your leg and teleport to the nearest rex
barren zephyr
make it go 50km/h but only in a straight line and it cant stop until its stamina is depleted
paper oriole
Make it go 50km/h but straight up into the air until its stamina depletes and then it drops
patent spade
i sense a giga main making a suggestion to buff giga lol
indigo sun
@fallow walrus already planned actually. I believe Dondi showed it off on a stream a little while back
strange wave
@fallow walrus look at the utahs mouth in the second most recent video
indigo sun
I shoulda paid more attention to that video
covert birch
@frosty igloo any form of non-cosmetic based sexual dimorphism is bad
would just lead people to playing one gender over another no matter what drawbacks there are
covert birch
I dont really. Like if your looking at a realism perspective they obv care about gameplay > realism
frosty igloo
I mean if you look at what I said it was “this one is not as important as the ones above but”
For the other ones I was actually serious. The sexual dimorphism was more of a thought
There I changed it
haughty cliff
pretty sure the females would be larger anyways
paper oriole
Having to claim territory to avoid getting a debuff is kinda dumb, the den also seems a little unnecessary. the other ideas are nice though
I had something in mind very similar to the diet suggestion where apexes growing/sustaining themselves on AI, juvies and small tiers would be visibly weaker so they would be picked off by other apexes or packs of smaller predators, and grouping with these weaklings would be a minor hindrance to your dino’s personal health and they would also be bad nesters
barren zephyr
@frosty igloo I do think your suggestion is interesting but a territorial life for an apex wouldn’t make sense. These large animals and require a lot of food to sustain them self. By always being in one area would increase the risks of starvation as you can’t be sure of how many animals will pass by. You’d probably need a territory the size of 5x Central Park in order for that to work. Look at tigers for instance who covers massive grounds as their territory. That being said, I unfortunately don’t think there are not many other options then to chatter through the map in search of food to stay alive. Though I do think nutritional needs is brilliant and I believe it’ll be a feature in a later recode update. Though I don’t know about eating specific creatures in order to grow faster but... I haven’t seen anybody else suggest some better so good work.👏👏👏
warped harbor
@past furnace great suggestion as always.
I think the "rolled over" state could be used for combat, such as having a dinosaur able to flip another dinosaur over. (And then the flipped dinosaur would have to roll / move to avoid attacks while very vulnerable until it can get up)
And like you said, could be used to roll in the mud for gameplay reasons or simply to RP
indigo sun
@light depot All the animals you listed are in sandbox and thus not getting changed much until they come into survival. I dont see the point in changing stats for an animal currently irrelevant balance-wise
loud crag
@light depot and decrease alberto speed 😉
light depot
@light depot and decrease alberto speed 😉
yeah, i forgot this
@light depot All the animals you listed are in sandbox and thus not getting changed much until they come into survival. I dont see the point in changing stats for an animal currently irrelevant balance-wise
@indigo sun also a suggestion to future
indigo sun
Well theyd redo the stats anyway when the animal goes into survival
light depot
rlly? i dont know
indigo sun
Every animal gets rebalanced when it is added to survival because the sandbox stats are based on progression and they cant fulfill the roles theyre wanted for with old stats
covert birch
@delicate tulip that is literally what Replay is for
Or can be used for
It gives ya their steam id n everything
delicate tulip
Yeah but what if you aren't recording?
covert birch
Idk why you wouldnt record
delicate tulip
Not everyone does me included
covert birch
The thing literally doesnt affect gameplay whatsoever
there is no negatives to recording so idk what reason there could be for not recording
Plus if someone else was around ask if they can share their recording
sonic cloud
I think para being upsized to charo sized may be problematic if poorly balanced, but I would still give it a chance.
As long as para isn’t taking on apexes, like shant currently does, and is only apex size I think it’s workable.
Charon or Jiayensis are where I’d put my vote if not a fictional middle-ground
I think the biggest risk if para is upsized and thus indirectly buffed strengthwise is that it pulls a Maia (paras getting new loco that will speed it up) and starts running down allos, albertos and even suchos.
Maia doing what it does to Utah’s and dilos is already bad enough, now upsize that’s to mid tiers which take far to long to make “freekilling” them acceptable.
That’s my main concern and the only thing I have against the idea.
ashen elm
If I remember correctly, Bryan has complained about Para's run animation because he had to speed it up to make it viable. So slowing it down slower than mid-tier speeds would make the animation look better and be more balanced. As long as it slightly faster than apex or has more stamina to be able to outrun them than it should be fine.
Shant's issue is that it is heavier than a apexs. P. Jiayinensis would still be lighter by about a ton, so it could potentially defend itself but should still lose in most cases to Rex and Giga. Outliers would be a wounded apex or just a really bad one. I think we have enough fighter apex with Stego and Trike, Para should still prefer to run 90% despite upsizing.
At worst, P. Tubicen is still fairly large and would definitely still lose to Rex, while clearly not being a mid tier.
sonic cloud
Two possible ways to fix this would be:
Make para slower than mid tiers but keep its relative strength.
This would easily work, the problem would be that it’s 1: boring and 2: may be too similar to theri if it comes to survival (theri used to be the apex that punched down while running away from apexes)
The second solution, the one I prefer is that para simply be made faster than mid tier carnis even with its increased size.
But absolutely shoot it’s offensive capabilities in the foot while making para a complete tank.
We don’t know how the new bleed would work but what I am envisioning is a theri speed cerato rex durability type herbivore, with the catch being it has the relative offensive power of a dryo.
This would mean that while para can’t really kill mid-tiers, they can’t really kill para as it’s simply too tanky to kill alone and requires the strength of an apex (giga and rex) to put down before it can escape
Small tiers that would hypothetically be able to harass it by keeping up would be dealt with by trample, while the kids would be just to large to deal with in that manner
^I hope this makes para feel like a hadrosaur with the speed while still only being apex accessible prey.
Mid tiers wouldn’t have the strength to kill a para as even catching one is only half the battle, as it’s tankiness would just allow it to keep running away.
While at the same time stopping para from doing to mid tiers what theri does to them in sandbox due to its lack of offensive weapons.
Good middle ground between shant and current para if done right
ashen elm
I would be fine with that option too. tbh the thing that is hopefully going to make Para distinct is it's special ability which I hope relates to it's crest and ability to create unique sounds in some way.
paper oriole
Para getting a daze with this loudass horn would be cool, and replacing its stupid headbutt with a shoulder check
sonic cloud
I really don’t think para or hadrosaurs in general needs a special ability to be unique, just a bonus
Tanky runners is completely new as a play style as current herbs are either glass cannon runners, tanky fighters or in between.
paper oriole
A few paras 3 calling together is enough to make many speakers go static i think a daze ability (with diminishing returns obviously) would fit it very well
And help it run away from apex packs
Shoulder check to help slow down attackers without being an offensive ability
ashen elm
I like the daze ability. Sound can be pretty useful beyond communication, some animals definitely use it confuse or disorient others (aka Bats).
I agree the playstyle would be more unique, but I think abilities help further in making every dinosaur special. I hope even beyond just helping it survive or combat, some abilities even offer utility or unique experiences altogether. 
I actually made a meme-y suggestion for Para about being a musical dinosaur aka being able to manipulate it's calls in basic ways to simulate being able to create music. On the other hand, that probably could be abused in dumb ways so rip 
paper oriole
Since spam calling will cause dinos to go hoarse i think attaching an aoe daze to para’s 3 call wouldnt be op
When their voice starts to go hoarse the daze wont work
ashen elm
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yes that works. You could even have it that since they are using so much force or vocal strength, that it goes hoarser at an adjustable rate (aka faster if it's too strong).
pulsar lake
But that is an apex runner 
It will defend itself efficiently against some Allo but against a rex it's almost a free meal it if get caught
I don't see this animal defend itself against a rex
It would run like current but be more resistant to rex bites
sonic cloud
“Defend itself efficiently” is the wrong wording as implies para actually fights back. It doesn’t, it runs and it’s tankiness simply means that any damage the Allo does is pretty much negligible in the short and long term UNLESS the para actually tries to fight back
It wouldn’t really be any more resistant against apexes than it is now as the increased tankiness only helps against mid tiers. The thing is though is that para doesn’t need to be any more resistant against an apex if it’s already faster than your average mid tier, which are already faster than apexes in most cases.
pulsar lake
If para is going tankier, I'm okay with the fact that it will be faster than apexes and slower than mid tiers
sonic cloud
pulsar lake
But that's what you said
ashen elm
I feel like the people who wrote Shant did not read suggestion at all. Or are ignoring Shant isnt coming 4 a long time if at all.
Also Bryan called it a Shant replacement first so 🤷♀️
covert birch
And kissen also said shant isnt in the garbage
So imo until we get a more definitive answer on the whole shant thing
Keep para its current size
ashen elm
Thats a big if. Para that size isnt a true replacement to Shant anyway. Shant is 11-12 tons. Para at biggest is near 7.
That is 5 ton difference. Thats a bigger dif than current Maia and current Para who r both redundantly mid tier.
heady folio
Idea. Deino is the only Dino able physically transport their babies. How? In their mouth like modern crocs
paper oriole
that's been suggested a hundred times lol
covert birch
@heady folio Kissen already confirmed deino wont be carrying kids
paper oriole
no the deinosuchus idea
its suggested like every day it seems lol
the skin unlock could be interesting
maybe growing a dino to elder could unlock its base skin design to the rest of the roster
hasty radish
noooo, deino wont be carrying kids :(. but there'll be a collision, so the kid will still be able to climb in. xD
covert birch
they wont.
Kissen already said that kids sitting on top of the parents is a programming nightmare
spark fable
Careful guys, You might get banned for discussing about your suggestions.
paper oriole
...
ebon tiger
uhuh. yes, because the mods will kick people for discussing suggestions in a channel that exists specifically for discussing suggestsions
pull the other leg, kid, it's got bells on it
spark fable
Im not trolling, I would have proof but it got deleted :/
spark fable
I dont know why i would troll about something like this...
spark fable
Oh, thanks for the tip. I'll keep a look out
I got 2 friends who know exactly what im talking about.
But you probably wouldnt believe them either.
finite elm
@paper oriole that would be good. Make everyones initial skin palette options highly limited unless you go around unlocking the other skin options available through the elder system.
Someone with crazy color schemes or many patterns designs mixed all over their chosen dino would have to be earned and it would identify players who have experience playing many different dinos
hasty radish
Yeah, but if we can take food with us, then why don't we do it but take a live one. And then it's very possible to do it, it's like getting into a car in a game, isn't it?
tight frigate
isnt the spawn map coming anyway? iirc we're getting a map and can choose where to spawn 
barren zephyr
Plz don't kill me chat...
indigo sun
They look at suggestions even though theyre working
paper oriole
For the colourblind option, there are many forms of colourblindness (i got one of them lol) it would probably be most helpful to be able to choose the colours or shades of chat, blood etc to best suit each individual
barren zephyr
@golden iron Actually a boost mechanic is being considered
Dondi mentioned on one stream with example of utahs borking to get a buff for the hunt
frosty igloo
@golden iron
The strongest could be the alpha so it would tie into the hierarchy mechanic with Alphas and beta
Meaning that the strongest would be the alpha
covert birch
@golden iron Dondi mentioned a boost type thing on stream. The pack leader would basically select 1 specific dino (like 1 maia within a whole herd). The utah pack would start barking and making a shitton of noise but would deal extra damage to that specific dino.
golden iron
Oooooh that sounds a lot better
strong atlas
Nice
young pecan
We aLReadY haVe RetrOSaUrus sKIns!! @night mountain
covert birch
@misty nova sucho isnt a water ambusher tho. The devs have specifically said sucho isnt meant to be played like a crocodile. Sucho is more of a bear type playable which follows water n fishes(when fishing happens)
misty nova
ah ok did not know tht
wary sphinx
has there been any talk about having an auto kicker for people afk in the dino select/customize screen? i know for a fact people do it to keep spots in high population servers and its just annoying.
austere spruce
i wish people had to "wear" their bad takes/suggestions/feedback so whenever they're inevitably proven wrong, or predict something dumb, they may want to put more than like 20 seconds of thought into the next brilliant insight they decide to share
safe galleon
@lethal wren the whole dino gets upgraded when hitting elder
lethal wren
Welp, bad Idea.
barren zephyr
You get a power spike
but then over time
you lose power
and actually become weaker
lethal wren
You being a weak.
barren zephyr
than the full adult
lethal wren
Then you die.
safe galleon
schememe
barren zephyr
The goal of elder is to survive till you can die naturally
so you get perks
not fight other dinos
lethal wren
Maybe choosing a particular upgrade.
barren zephyr
Yes. eventually you can go to 'sleep' (aka die)
Which rewards you with a perk
But
if you get killed
you dont get a perk
lethal wren
And what does the perk do?
Makes It stronger I guess In a particular power or all of It?
barren zephyr
We dont know what perks
valid zephyr
if elder didn't grow weak over time, elder would just become 'adult 2.0', and the entire server would end up as elders.
being a temp power spike which then gets weaker and dies ensures elders stay rare.
trim flume
@timber totem would u like to hold your finger on 4 call while running for your life? No, neither does anyone else.
@valid zephyr agree, also knowing that an elder might be weaker than a full grown adult prevents you from feeling safe all the time if you are an elder. Because other dinos might risk attacking you for chance of you being weaker than them. It would be lame to know that an elder is undefeatable in a 1 v 1 battle
night mountain
Give one random dinosaur an infinite elder where it just keeps getting bigger and stronger
(Hyps)
slow snow
Honestly if there’s a adrenaline system, predators should get tunnel vision when used if they’re fighting
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestions like
Also magy is apparently going to be fast as fuck to make it less helpless
finite elm
Sorry dude. I like the idea of still being to sniff but severely handicapped in rain but Carnivores Near universally ALWAYS have a better sense of smell than herbs
covert birch
@tender latch mono was confirmed to not have venom
covert birch
covert birch
@barren zephyr That isnt the channel to ask
But kissen has told us they read suggestions
barren zephyr
Hey I need a second opinion about magyaro abilities to balance a small, weak sauropod
paper oriole
Magyaro will outrun most things that would annihilate it in a fight, as far ad ive heard
vestal rune
post it el, in #general-feedback
also delete your comment about how often, not the correct place to post it
junior crow
@barren zephyr ^
barren zephyr
@paper oriole But it sounds a little bit ridiculous that thing outrunning allos or ceras. I think it wasn’t built to run that way
paper oriole
Yeah well look at it, it aint defending itself any other way
barren zephyr
@paper oriole yes, some people of my ideas can be good for ir
paper oriole
Not sure why they didnt go with a less wet paper sauropod like amarga or something
barren zephyr
It
paper oriole
You dont need to ping me each time lol
paper oriole
Wat
barren zephyr
In the name of the adult dilo, the juvie and the hatch, jewjewjewjew
paper oriole
What lmao
barren zephyr
Dilo cult
paper oriole
More of a diablo cultist myself
junior crow
what was the jewjewjew thing about?
paper oriole
I think magy could have an escape mechanism
barren zephyr
You will be simon dilopeter
paper oriole
But not like hiding or something gay like that
barren zephyr
No of course
paper oriole
Maybe some sort of mechanic that helps it slip away from danger or deter predators
barren zephyr
Just promote dilo cult mixing bible phrases with dilos
paper oriole
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paper oriole
Maybe magyaro could sip free of grapple and pounce abities by dropping patches of skin or something, like a day gecko. Or have good nightvision to be safer at night
Ya i read it
Look at its fat ass neck i dont think it can hide like a baby deer lol
covert birch
nah imo magy should just be able to break bones
Like how iguanas can fracture human ones
Basically small tier sauropod anky
paper oriole
Being a tank for its size is fine but i dont think it should be worth less food than its size
paper oriole
A good tail whip that can snap utahs is fine
As far as diet speeding its growth goes, i think all herbis should have well boosted growth compared to carnis for good diet since theyre the underplayed faction
If magy had a bit of an easier time idk i guess why not
barren zephyr
Did you read magyaro diet idea?
paper oriole
It might bot be as pitiful as it looks to need these buffs, yeah i read it
barren zephyr
That’s not all
paper oriole
so he could beat small dinos with his neck flap or what
barren zephyr
It can use it as a giraffe to attack predators and knock down small one and if you can defend from frontal attacks decreasing a high percentage of damage(50-60%)
paper oriole
I mean maybe idk
barren zephyr
And if you try to attack from the back...tail whip
paper oriole
I dont think 60% maybe 40-45 though if its just a tough dewlap protecting it
60% would be protection from armour, but most dinos take extra damage at that weak point so any reduction would be big there
barren zephyr
And about making some calls only audible to other magyaros, I had the idea of making them audible to a concrete predator. So we have a prey and a predator built to take it
For example mono
paper oriole
Some mixed herds dont vc and use their 3 and 4 calls if they spot something so it could kinda be inconvenient there
Maybe if its f call is harder to pick up or something, like real low pitch
barren zephyr
Very low calls to other dinos, perhaps?
paper oriole
Magy doesnt really have a need to silence its 2 3 and 4 calls it can simply not use them
If it doesnt want to be heard
paper oriole
Its broadcast and f call could be low frequency that would be clearer to other magy players but the rest of its calls wouldnt serve much purpose to be silent
paper oriole
Its main concern will likely be utah packs, carnos and any large ambusher
Utah packs would be the biggest i think
paper oriole
Armour on its neck that reduces what would be critical damage would help, good bleed resistance, a tail whip and neck swing. Besides that its speed should be good enough
Mono and dilo maybe, depends on their speed mostly
barren zephyr
I think mono will be a speedy boi because is smaller than dilo
paper oriole
Might be, its only a little smaller so who knows what tricks it might get
paper oriole
Giga solos cama, if cera is faster or has better stam than magy yeah
barren zephyr
I hope cera gets a buff
covert birch
Cera gettin some debuff resistant stuff iirc
Like it can eat rotten meat unlike other dinos
barren zephyr
Thx
paper oriole
Cera should be a bully that can scare dinos its size off of bodies with tough bleed resist to pick a fight imo
Like hyenas
barren zephyr
It should be a micro rex basically
barren zephyr
Alberto
barren zephyr
Theri,acro and Alberto need huge speed nerfs
covert birch
Allo with the speed buff + grapple should be like a lion
Theri does
Acro and alberto nah
barren zephyr
I suggested a way to grapple
covert birch
If ya run into a woods alberto and acro are almost as inate as carnos
paper oriole
Theri doesnt need a huge nerf, just enough that it cant chase down and slap chop allo packs like it currently does lol
barren zephyr
Alberto speed is near 40 km/h
covert birch
The jaffad theri was 10/10 imo
barren zephyr
38km/h is too much for theri
paper oriole
Theri should be slower than the preds it annihilates but not too slow to escape apexes
paper oriole
Allo is getting a big speed buff so its speed is hard to decide now
Many dinos are getting speed changes
covert birch
Imo if they make alberto a tad bit slower than speed buffed allo then imo it would be fine
Especially with alberto downsize and allo upsize
Make em both hunt the same stuff diff ways
barren zephyr
Don’t worry the messiah of night is near
covert birch
Troodon is smaller than both
barren zephyr
But I’m sure it will be a speedy and venomous boi
covert birch
yes itll be a new dilo kinda
barren zephyr
Austro size I think
barren zephyr
That’s good
Finally they are going to put a decent speed for velo
27km/h for that animal if you compare with other dinos is awful
paper oriole
Why is your name el gallimimus if youre a dilo player lol
barren zephyr
I like galli too, but I play dilo too
Annoying speedy lizards
Yesterday I did my best kill with galli in survival
paper oriole
Did you ping me and then delete the ping
prisma garden
Hey guys. Any way to play as stegosaurus or spinosaurus? I don't find them in the list.
violet magnet
@prisma garden they're not in survival yet
you can play them in sandbox and some servers inject them into survival, tho
prisma garden
Oh. Ok. Thanks. Another question. I can't find some servers. I can join them cuz my friends are inside and I join through steam, but I can't find them in the list. Not even with filters
violet magnet
uncheck all the search criteria boxes and type in the name of the server you want to play in the search box
prisma garden
I know... Done that and doesn't appear.
violet magnet
...maybe look in #401465476661641217 ?
trim flume
@barren zephyr we already have enough apexes, that's why they didn't plan on adding more of them in the rebuild.
lilac swallow
They are adding spino
trim flume
Spino is a rework , but I guess you knew that already yes? @lilac swallow
lilac swallow
Is practically adding a new Dino, but i Guess you knew that already yes?
barren zephyr
@static kettle If you look in the controls there WAS a button for voice chat, but it has been removed I'm fairly sure, and it almost certainly didn't even work in the first place
just an fyi 😛
static kettle
Well I hope it comes back in working form~
barren zephyr
@trim flume and how about this one as AI?
trim flume
@barren zephyr Well if there is nothing else better to add in the game then hell Yes. But I think that Dino u suggested looks a lot like the Alberto.
barren zephyr
I made other post, how about AI carnis but not too big? Or more mid tier herbs?
trim flume
Oh yeah I'm all about AI dinos, big or small, that's a great idea, I would even agree ai utahs. But everyone would be playing utah so maybe not ai utahs but u know what I mean
trim flume
Yes
barren zephyr
So you agree about herbis and AI?
trim flume
I agree with the ai. I would love ai diversity. But Suggesting more dinos is a bit ambitious, devs can decide on their own on that, they have made research, they know more than we know on Dino species. If u suggest a Dino they are more than likely to know it already
trim flume
Yes I would love to see every existing Dino in the game as ai
barren zephyr
Yeah
@trim flume only problem with that is that, well, can the servers handle that much AI? or do you mean that each spawn is random, e.g velo first time, celophisis the next, etc
trim flume
@barren zephyr I'm not an expert but if ai diversity is possible without ruining the balance of the game then it would be great
barren zephyr
and
And how about anky and Alberto as AI?
@barren zephyr
anky and alberto are already in sandbox, meaning they might come to survival at some point, HUGE might but its a might non-the less
I would really like the anky tbh though 
sonic cloud
@sharp mulch Carcharodontosaurus is a giga clone
indigo sun
Carcha literally got turned into giga's juvi cause its so similar
pale sorrel
strange wave
@barren zephyr @sharp mulch check pinned messages in suggestions
indigo sun
@barren zephyr
thorny crag
dondi already said in the Q&A that Carcharodontosaurus will not be added cause it's basically like giga
tho i kinda hope that small dinos like microraptor will be a thing in the future (not too similar to ptera and others, would be able to glide from tree to tree and hunt like a little velo)
paper oriole
Why spend thousands to add a dino thats just alberto but a few feet longer lol
Also @sharp mulch @pale sorrel y’all should delete your conversation in suggestion channel, it doesn't belong there
covert birch
@thorny crag sino wouldnt hunt juvis. The thing is about compy sized
Imo something zhenyualong is 10x better for a glider
thorny crag
it would hunt fresh juvie dilos, not juvie trikes obviously
talking about smaller juvie dinos then ,sorry will clarify
added that detail. to be honest the venom should be strong enough to take out juvie rexes aswell if they are small enough and if they have no more stam, this dino would just sit on the trees, watch their prey until they see a fitting moment, then launch down from that tree towards their prey with mouth wide open, then after the bite they climb back up and just follow the tracks to their meal, if their prey had enough stam and HP to flee - ok then no meal but if it attacked the right size then it should have a good chance. any lone fresh juvie that is not a trike or anything massive should be its prey. also they add many small dinos which would fit the description
barren zephyr
hey I was a-thinking, dangerous I know, but what would happen if some dinos like the pachy or anky etc could attack SMALL trees causing them to fall and then being able to eat the leaves. It would add a whole new play-style...maybe...probably....and might help with the problem of there being basically no herbibore food on thenyaw.
might get me pitchforked I know, and its offtopic from the current conversation buuut...I was thinking.
covert birch
@thorny crag The whole venom thing was disproven.
also mmoo prolly would be a pain to code that
And for the thenyaw thing specifically
Its getting redone
barren zephyr
@covert birch yeah but none of the dinosaurs ingame have feathers (looking at you utahraptor) aside from the austroraptors
covert birch
what?
barren zephyr
also, yeah probably would be hard to code
covert birch
what does feathers have to do with that
covert birch
unless your talking about the Sino suggestion
covert birch
well im fine with a gliding guy
But the thing is sino specifically is too small
It would just be a compy that can tree climb
Which would invalidate compy imo
barren zephyr
true
wait, this whole island is covered in man-made things right? from the dinos to the building?
covert birch
idk the lore
but dinos and buildings are
not sure if the island itself or the plants are manmade or not
barren zephyr
yeh, so whats stopping the hoomans from genetically engineering the dinos to have "more teeth"
thorny crag
true there is no clear evidence that it was venomous but that does not mean its not true. (Sinornithosaurus exhibits some traits which might be construed as similar to those in some reptiles with venomous bites, but there is no clear evidence to suggest that it (or any other dinosaur) was venomous)
covert birch
Nah it was literally disproven iirc
thorny crag
show me that article please
covert birch
Gonna take a bit cuz im igname but sure
thorny crag
thank you
covert birch
Also i remember a while back bryan was talkin in Isle discussion
and someone mentioned venomous sino
And he insta denied it
thorny crag
then why they add venomous dinos after all, if hollow teeth don't mean anything
covert birch
Well creative liberties
But the venom isnt really my main concern here
So if they do add sino sure it can be venomous
But the issue is
Sino invalidates compy
thorny crag
I've read a couple of articles about this and it always says it's not impossible but the evidence is not convincing
covert birch
Something like zheunyuan would work 10x better imo since nothing is really in its size range
that would be completey invalidated
paper oriole
lll somebody got killed by a rex and is salty about it
thorny crag
we will see, I like the idea. and compy does not has the said features nor the hunting style of what I suggested. just an idea tho
covert birch
the issue aint that it has a similar hunting style
The issue is
Both of em are similar size so both are similar growths
But sinos unique stuff is 10x better than compys cleanup crew stuff
Why spend the exact same time growing something that is worse
thorny crag
idk if you can even play compy, thought they were ai
covert birch
They are both
thorny crag
ah ok
yeah then it's like playing dilo and utah, dilo cant jump but can see better at night, utah can jump but has shit night vision - both are being played
indigo sun
@surreal nimbus thats a bug and its getting fixed anyway
thorny crag
it's not easy but there is a way to fiddle that out
compy is a simple dino, idk why would you play it other to be small and a pain in the ass xD
thorny crag
would like to have some nice special dinos that are small and have fun gameplay
covert birch
thats the idea of the new 14 dinos
thorny crag
I would love to grapple myself on a big dino and travel like this
none of them (except ptera) have gliding
and I don't prefer being a pure gliding thingy, wanna be on ground, between trees, in the jungle, watch others do stuff and then "pow" get myself a little snack
ptera will be an above-the-trees dino only
covert birch
and something like zhen can do that and not create issues with other smalls
thorny crag
the drinking rain thingy would need some kind of icon to show up (or water icon to react somehow) so you can see that you are doing it right
also please make it so we don't see only this while looking up xD
1st person would be siiiiick 🙂
covert birch
@dense wagon that is already planned
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr wow dude, what a great suggestion 10/10
paper oriole
whoa i wish i thought of that, what a genius idea
dense wagon
@covert birch Okay, thanks
young pecan
https://twitter.com/Attichanthesky1/status/1231774937641365504?s=20 Seeing more on Torvo makes me want it more. Probably going to redo my Torvosaurus suggestion in PDF format. @covert birch did pull up some valid points last time I did too.
severe sequoia
@barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Sexy af
young pecan
I just think that there are mechanics that you could introduce for Torvo to make it differ from the other carnivores, and I will not rest until I can show that appeal.
covert birch
If ya can find it sure
Just dont pull a cocoa and say ti make it different
Acro = bleeder
What I want = crusher
Without expanding into it
barren zephyr
Crusher that might actually be better in the water than most other large carnivores. lots of megalosaurids have been found to be coastal predators similar to some bears today
it also has large claws for grappling and slashing if needed
To make it fit in more with a mechnic I originally said give it an edgy rage mechanic but I doubt that'd work
barren zephyr
Yeah a realistic torvo probably wouldn't fit into the isle since we have Sucho
only thing that would set them apart would be Torvo being much better on land than his croc faced cousin
covert birch
Like idk how yo make torvo or any other psuedo apex carni diff enough from both acro n sucho while giving them unique mechanics
barren zephyr
yeah Torvo is one of my fav theropods but idrk how to make him fit into the ecosystem cause he could hunt anything from stegosaurids to sauropods and unfortunately those roles are also filled
covert birch
Like torvo is either
A: allo but bigger
B: Alberto but bigger
C: sucho but not a spinosaurus
D: acro but smaller
barren zephyr
The neck of most megalosaurids however is incredibly flexible allowing Torvosaurus to bite and rip flesh off with ease. That's one way I could see it working as just a mauler theropod or something idrk
covert birch
Playstyle wise
barren zephyr
Could just make it the ultimate generalist too, then again allo has that rn
unborn quail
also sucho but smaller
covert birch
Thought it was bigger
unborn quail
No
barren zephyr
I thought Torvo was longer?
unborn quail
Sucho is overall the larger animal
covert birch
Length dont affect combat unless ya want your tail but
barren zephyr
Sucho's bigger than Edmarka Rex even?
covert birch
Bit*
unborn quail
Ye
covert birch
Also allo seems to be losing ultimate generalist roll and going for a more speedy boi thing
unborn quail
Edmarka rex and Saurophaganax both come out smaller than suchomimus
covert birch
But giving ultimate generalist to a psuedo apex imo ain't a good idea
Sucho is a chunky boi
unborn quail
and tbf, stat based generalism
is not a good idea
it's what allo has now
and it ain't good
Generalists are dictated moreso by the Affinity/ what ever the new system is
barren zephyr
Torvo working as a bully theropod I could see working
covert birch
Jack or all trades master of none
Still better than a master of 1
barren zephyr
it bullies mid tiers and below
covert birch
So a larger cera
covert birch
Well what cera is meant to ve
barren zephyr
Oh I see
covert birch
Be*
unborn quail
To small tiers, Yeah
barren zephyr
Torvo makes more sense being the asshole bully
it's got a scary looking set of jaws too
covert birch
Most dinos have nasty lookin set of jaws
barren zephyr
That's true I just personally think Torvo's jaws look pretty threatening idk why
it's got big ass claws too
young pecan
This is at heart, a scifi/horror game, and not everything has a strong standing in reality. So saying that there is nothing that you could do with a creature to make it differ is weird.
covert birch
Well gimme some unabusable mechanics then
Cuz the ones ya said before like that hearing thing
Both fit into smaller stuff better and was somewhat abusable
young pecan
But even that could be changed. And really, that was more of a placeholder than anything else.
barren zephyr
Oops lol
covert birch
Yes but still
What can we give them
young pecan
Sorry, can I ask again what you thought about the whole solo hunter thing?
covert birch
That doesnt
A: invidate other playables
B: I'd abusable
Solo hunter is good if ya find a way to keep em solo
But humans are humans
They will group up most of the time
barren zephyr
It being a bully I feel fits the best
young pecan
Once again, I don't feel that it would be the best thing to punish players for gathering together. Just making it less advisable for them to do so. I don't know what mechanic you could slip in to do that, but I'll have a think about it.
covert birch
Yes but how can ya make it less advisable without punishing em
I just had a thought
Whatever unique mechanic torvo would get less effective the more adult torvos in ya group
Ya still can use it
Just wouldnt do as much
young pecan
That's actually much better than what I was thinking of.
barren zephyr
Torvos packs would probably just be a pair and their young
covert birch
^
2 adults dont affect it
Then any more does
The moment someone reaches sub ya kick em out
barren zephyr
^ that sounds good
barren zephyr
Give Torvo a rage mechanic and make it angrier when rival torvos are near lol jk
rage is kinda broken in the end imo
young pecan
Maybe a separate grouping mechanic for Torvosaurus? The more I think of a territorial dispute mechanic, the more I dislike it. So I don't actually know how to stop the local chat thing.
barren zephyr
I can't really think of anything rn but I'll probably come up with something to make Torvo unique in general
it is an interesting carnivore that deserves more love
young pecan
Well, it already differs in the looks department, so we don't have to worry about that.
fiery edge
@snow meadow its hard to take off while stationary but its possible especialy with wind involved...
Imagine seaguls on harbour if you run at them full speed some just fly upwards and then foward at our faces because those things hate me... 😅
ebon tiger
@snow meadow it's not that hard for pterosaurs to launch themselves though. they sort of pole-vault themselves into the air with their arms, like a catapult.
(the larger ones can be described as "hulk-smashing" the ground or water to throw themselves upwards)
birds have a different method of flying altogether, so they're not good analogues for how pterosaurs fly or take-off.
barren zephyr
@thorny crag sino is no longer considered venemous
all the provided "evidence" was disproven
fading shadow
@barren zephyr liking your own suggestion... shame
patent spade
I have noticed that ppl who like their own suggestion typically have bad suggestions
paper oriole
Permanent damage would have a ton of people committing suicide
Since their dinos would be useless after an attack
patent spade
so basically you want to force players to eat ai only and never have combat ever in a survival pvp game
paper oriole
“Welp i survived this rex attack but i guess i gotta jump off a cliff now because i’m a cripple”
patent spade
pretty sure no one would go anything longer than an hour if that happened lol
goodbye midtiers and apexs cause no one wants to spend 6 hours growing something just for it to be rendered permanently useless
paper oriole
Maybe picking fights too often would cause you to start healing slower if anything but permanent damage is a big no
barren zephyr
@fading shadow what are you saying?
covert birch
Hes saying dont add a reaction to your own suggestion
Also about the permanent damage suggestion imo it's fine if it was a hardcode mode that can be selected in server options
Otherwise tho it's a horrible idea
thorny crag
well good then that this is just a game and not a science project^^ why not just make some things into the game that are not proven? Troodon will be venomous too but there is no evidence that it actually was. It is possible that venomous Troodon was inspired by claims of the dromaeosaurid Sinornithosaurus being venomous. Some scientists claimed Sinornithosaurus was venomous based on the shape of its teeth and snout bones, which they claimed had space for venom glands and grooves to inject venom with. It turned out that the grooves were pretty common features in non-venomous animals too, and the supposed space for a venom gland was just a misinterpretation. why not add features to make the game more fun 😉 not everything has to be scientifically proven.
thats just my opinion
paper oriole
go play on a server that has those rules instead of asking them to do that on officials lmao
go play on one of those cringy realism servers where herbivores can only attack if a carnivore gets in their rectangle trigger zone and has to stop attacking if the carnivore 4 calls, carno doesnt even take long to grow what's the loss, PvP happened
covert birch
@barren zephyr 2 things
Either a: play on an server with those rules
Or
B: Run away cuz u were carno
paper oriole
ngl that salt suggestion really makes me want to hop on my maia and kos some dilos and other annoying carnis
lilac swallow
C: dont fight something you cant win
covert birch
^
This too
paper oriole
like seriously just sprint away to get some distance and juke them it's not like they can really track you
lilac swallow
If you are faster and you get killed is allways your fault
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr you know you were the 3rd fastest animal on the game right
paper oriole
isnt carno the second fastest, first fastest in survival
oh nvm austro, but still fastest in survival
patent spade
@barren zephyr if you are dying to a maia as a full carno then maybe consider either getting better at the game or play a realism server. dont force the realism shit on everyone just because you are salty
paper oriole
Yo a dodo would get fucking destroyed in the isle lmao
worthy palm
That’s what I find funny about it. 🤣
covert birch
Yes they can
sonic cloud
How they hell is a dodo going to outrun a gallimimus lol?
Oh wait Magy outrunning Allo is a thing so fuck physics and suspension of disbelief
still temple
Magy slower than Allo but has insane stam wen
and knockover mechanics needs to be a thing in general so preds can be slowed down in the middle of pursuits
worthy palm
All I know is that galli is the second fastest in the game during sprint. And Utah is faster during ambush.
I thought sense the dodo is smaller it could be faster then them both. Like actually having something that could outrun anything in the game.
Then again that could be broken, or unbalanced.
But say if humans do get added and they have sniping weapons of some sort and could take it done in one go when hiding?
Well so long as the dodo isn’t moving and can’t see or hear you of course.
shell willow
I feel like dodo would be better as ai.
sonic cloud
Tonnes of a small dinosaurs that could fill that role.
It’s like asking for compy in a game full of cenozoic animals
covert birch
@proven moss that is already planned
proven moss
im usless...
barren zephyr
@barren zephyr 2 things
Either a: play on an server with those rules
Or
B: Run away cuz u were carno
@covert birch
I had no stam because I was running from some OTHER maias and finaly got away, I sat down to rest and another pair of maias comes out the woods to beat me up (no they weren't the same maias. Yes I'm sure)
@barren zephyr if you are dying to a maia as a full carno then maybe consider either getting better at the game or play a realism server. dont force the realism shit on everyone just because you are salty
@patent spade
Yes a lil' bit salty not gonna lie. But I've lost my carnivores to herbis around 60-70% of the time, because they were being offensive. And I was in there general line of sight. It can Really get under your skin after awhile (a phrase that I have just noticed is absolutely Horrifiying)
but yeh, looking back it is a dumb suggestion
valid zephyr
@dim ore Dart frog magy best magy!
Me and tentacle came up with the idea a while ago, so very happy to see it's caught on.
@lavish onyx playables colours can be customised to whatever you want.
indigo sun
@lavish onyx they'll get that customization as soon as theyre in survival
paper oriole
Upvoting your own suggestion, that’s some cringe bro
limpid dove
Sometimes you just gotta get the roll balling
loud crag
@limpid dove I totally agree with your idea, especially for the sauropods which could be snatched from pieces of flesh while they were alive (I'm thinking of the mapusaurus and the argentinosaurus in a BBC video)
limpid dove
Thank you. I feel that the chances of escaping a pack eating you alive should be slim to none, especially if you're outnumbered, just like in the video I had as an example. But yeah, I can see a utah tearing some pieces off of a cama or magy for example. Similar example, but the magy/cama could likely escape and defend itself, but the recovery time should double. It's just adding to the intensity of the game.
Not everyone is going to want to watch their dino get eaten alive, sitting there helpless, but I figured it's going to add to the horror aspect of the game and therefore make you not want to get caught in that type of mess lol
So perhaps an option as well in the settings that toggles it, especially for the squeamish. It'll basically just take you to the death screen when they start eating you alive, rather than having to watch it. The toggle won't prevent it from happening, but it'll prevent you from watching.
loud crag
yes, I myself would like the game to be more gore and more realistic with guts and blood (I'm not a psychopath) xD
limpid dove
I personally wouldn't want it to go overboard but it'd be nice to have.
paper oriole
Since finishing animations were a thing being tested it could be a finisher where you pull out the victim’s guts and the body animates a struggle as though it’s still alive. Given the basically 0% escape chance it would kinda be annoying to have to sit and wait for your inevitable death. Having the option in settings to be able to see your body after death for a short time would allow you to watch it (and make rulebreak reports easier at the same time)
loud crag
It would also be cool if the carcasses do not transform directly from the body into ribs but that the more you eat it the more it approaches the carcass state with first the disappearance of the members then the content in the belly eaten with theeaten head and tail
limpid dove
Well, it's just my first idea. I still need to go over how it's gonna work
valid zephyr
upvoting your own suggestion is pretty desperate.
covert birch
And being the only person to upvote it shows how bad it really is
dim ore
@valid zephyr OHHH so it was you! i thought it might have been but couldnt recall, awesome idea mate! i loved it when i first read about it, so just wanted to keep it going. 😄
covert birch
@loud storm you cnat just say "x is cool to see" without giving substance
Mention unique mechanics you can give it, playstyle, how the animal would work ingame, etc
indigo sun
please put effort into suggestions instead of listing animals that wouldnt play uniquely at all
loud storm
ok strike one
young pecan
I'm trying Torvo. I'm trying my best.
I've hit a roadblock, and I can't seem to get past it.
indigo sun
@loud storm what?
loud storm
Sorry
limpid dove
@indigo sun its literally in the pinned messages too
It's been pinned several times actually
indigo sun
I know, its tiring seeing low effort suggestions
indigo sun
@barren zephyr alt turn existd and will be forced post-recode
covert birch
@brazen cedar dondi said he wont do dinosaur limits b/c certain groups will make it so only they have it
Like back when they injected nonsurvivals on officials clans would kill anyone outside of their clan who had the nonsurvival basically making it so only they had the dinos
Also apexs will eventually be playable later on. Just on the initial release they wont
outer nebula
i was going to say putting hard limits on a specific species would also be bad because what if you want to play and have a rex on a server but cant get on because there are to many on the server as it it
sonic cloud
Also not to mention any server that puts limits on a creature is going to be abandoned within a week.
past eagle
yeah
sonic cloud
“I can’t play rex on this server, guess I’ll go find a good one”
indigo sun
Should never be a limit on what people can play, a more natural limit that's just based on if the person is skilled enough to make it to adult is much better
sonic cloud
^make apexes hard and the problem disappears
patent spade
if ppl want to play a certain dino they should be able to
whether that be playing an apex or anything below it
valid zephyr
Also clans would purposefully lock down certain creatures.
indigo sun
i think blue brought that up in the original message
past eagle
it was brought up indeed
proven moss
@trim flume the gonna get chu
severe idol
@trim flume - Serious suggestions only; Please enjoy a second Strike.
trim flume
Yikes I need to be careful from now on
trim flume
Nah dif
proven moss
kk
barren zephyr
Hey guys, would it help if my cryolophosaurus suggestion was shorter? I KNOW that Dondi doesn't care but I really like this dino so why not...
indigo sun
The length of the suggestion really doesnt mean much
covert birch
@barren zephyr the length of the suggestion isnt important. Just that you make the dino unique enough to be worth a suggestion. YOur previous cryo suggestion tho was basically a carno speed dilo which imho isnt really unique enough to be its own playable
Personally ide just make cryo a dilo or cera dlc type skin
outer nebula
@fallow vine i suggest you delete that before you get in trouble
barren zephyr
Okay here's the gist @covert birch, this dino can show it's emotions by color flushing. It can also just threaten dinos without making sounds making it viable. Also, it used hollowed holes to lay eggs in, almost like caves.
severe idol
@fallow vine - Strike for you. Please don't make troll suggestions in the #general-feedback channel.
paper oriole
covert birch
@barren zephyr
So 2 things
Color flushing wouldnt really do anything other than make it look angrier when 3 calling. Plus stego is getting a color flush too iirc
And nesting inside a burrow ain't unique b/c iirc they said deino will nest like crocs do currently.
Not only that but burrow invaders would make quick work of those "cave" nests
barren zephyr
Crocs never nested hollowed cave like nests. Wild pigs do however and so so turtles. As for color flushing, it eliminates the need for noise
Plus with dino collision coming, the adult cryolo can just body block it
covert birch
Idk how color flushing would work tho
Since intimidation strats dont work with humans controlling animals
And I doubt players would pay attention to the Crest enough to know what's going on
barren zephyr
Think of the blue ringed octupus, a poisonous fish, it flashes blue rings when alarmed
Chameleons can change colors as can the anole lizard
covert birch
How does that stop a player from wanting to kill the cryo
Also hell wouldnt that harm cryos camouflage in some cases
barren zephyr
Because the player can see red veins bulging knowing that it is agitated. Ignore the camouflage part.
Also, it ceases the need to make noise.
covert birch
So issue without makin noises
Lots of those unofficial servers got em 3 call rules
barren zephyr
Those can change, it's called editing
covert birch
Also again
Intimidation factors dont work against humans
barren zephyr
You saw a dino changing colors would be intimidating.
covert birch
And a fear mechanic if ya wanna say something like that is udder bs in a game like this
barren zephyr
Okay, I'll leave you with that. Gn
covert birch
Heaven. A cera,carno, allo, etc
Seeing a cryos change colors isnt gonna stop em from killin the cryo
patent spade
was someone suggesting that changing colors be used as a tool to drive away an enemy player
patent spade
that doesnt work against players controlling things lol, maybe against ai i could see that working but ppl arent gonna give a fuck about colors
covert birch
Literally what I was telling em
patent spade
ik i wouldnt care XD
covert birch
And I shut down the whole fear mechanic thing before he can bring it up
Like imagine having WOW style fears in the isle XD
patent spade
i suppose it could depend on how a fear mechanic could be done. like if its some obnoxious shit like tripping like in f13 when being chased by a rex or your vision gets obscured i would be highly irritated
covert birch
There isnt really a way to do it without it hindering gameplay
Not in a game like this at least
barren zephyr
This isn't over Blue, it ain't shut down mind you
barren zephyr
I don't need to because I have been developing it. And since when are you a mod? Look if you don't like the dino that's ur problem. It stands as it is. You have a dislike about it, tough.
covert birch
I like the dino
I just find the things ya proposed to not work
Changing colors wouldnt scare people controlling dinos away. The conversation I just had with aelita is one of many examples
Cavelike nesting is interesting but not enough to justify a whole playable
fallow vine
oh they can't take jokes here I forgot @outer nebula
outer nebula
No its for serious suggestion not for your joking comments
patent spade
@fallow vine suggestions channel isnt the right channel for jokes is all
paper oriole
Wtf a rex would oneshot a ptera with 0 effort if it got a bite on it
And rex pouncing a ptera what lmao
Why tf would a rex need to grapple something that weighs less than a dryo
indigo sun
Rex grappling a ptera to kill it is like me trying to slice up a flea with a knife to kill it
paper oriole
Hol up lemme go have a tussle with that mosquito over there, whoosh that sure drained my stam
valid zephyr
@delicate tulip there is already a ptera jump start the same as the one you suggested.
zealous wind
^
valid zephyr
in addition to the running start
zealous wind
ye we already have that my dude :>
valid zephyr
the jump start is faster but uses more stam.
delicate tulip
Really, I've seen the clips but I couldn't see it except for the crouching posture, after that it's just in the air.
valid zephyr
the animations arn't complete yet as ptera not being added for a long while, but the jumping start was is happening.
zealous wind
which is basically identical to your suggestion, at least we wont get 2 different stand to fly launchs imo
valid zephyr
devs said land animals first, then swimmers, then flyers.
zealous wind
at 30 seconds you can see it
delicate tulip
Ik the jump start is happening, that's not what I'm suggesting tho, I'm suggesting a jump start animation rather than the jump start itself as from what I can see even slowing the clip down fully is it's wings open as it leaps into the air using it's hind legs instead of using the wings themselves to vault into the air which is what I'm proposing.
covert birch
@potent sonnet the whole trikes jousting, pachys headbutting eachother, etc is confirmed to be comin
@quiet horizon regarding titanoboa they said they may look at it again in the far future but it is a large use of resources and very difficult to program and animate. So prolly wont happen
potent sonnet
outer nebula
@dusty geyser thats why they have the QA for
indigo sun
A lot of people would just use it to get new features early anyway, not actually test stuff
dusty geyser
@outer nebula they could've use the QA last year too
indigo sun
they decided to use it this year
simple as that
this was important enough that they wanted dedicated people they could trust to test bugs and stay under NDA to test the update
thorny crag
I thought there is already a key to turn record on/off
dusty geyser
finished product is always better but it would be nice just for people for mess around and look whats coming on them not just being overthrown with guesses and promises
indigo sun
theres a keybind for recording but it doesnt actually work so you gotta go into your settings to do it
outer nebula
not to mention the dev branch wasnt really used the way they wanted, people just went on it to play something the live branch didnt have which ment more people just messing around then actually testing things
indigo sun
"just messing around and looking at stuff" isn't testing the update and the devs want to provide the finished update to people, not something halfassed to hold them over
thorny crag
Ah ok. I always record everything and have no framedrops so idk. I thought it works too but ye.. Sucks if you can't use it.
dusty geyser
For people it would be like that but there will be totally feedback on bugs and problems the devs didn't see or expect
outer nebula
no people will do the same thing
outer nebula
key word "some"
indigo sun
theyve got a whole ass team to specifically find issues. having a bunch of people just fuckin around not actually finding bugs and having a small amount do what a beta is meant for is entirely inefficient
people can wait
outer nebula
agreed
thorny crag
There will be bugs oh yee. But still.. If they give out keys to testers they will spoil it and show everything in streams. I like how they try to save the hype till they are done.
dusty geyser
Thats the problem
QA doesn't fuck around with the update like people will when it comes out
They looking at standard things like clipping or going trough objects or lighting issues
And server stability
When the update comes out you think people will do the same?
outer nebula
im guessing you dont know much about QA do you
indigo sun
who's gonna cover more ground
a team who knows that theyve got to do a ton of dumb shit and goes in to specifically do that to make sure there arent big ass bugs, jumping in place like a thousand times to see if theres anything wrong and other similar things
or
a bunch of people doing fuckall to actually test the beta and not reporting the bugs because they literally just wanted the new shit early and dont care about bug testing
outer nebula
they are assigned a task and need to repeat it to see what causes it
indigo sun
who's gonna do more here?
dusty geyser
Yup they're doing that
indigo sun
surely not the people literally just using it to get new shit and not actually reporting bugs
dusty geyser
But will they do the same things people will when it comes out?
indigo sun
considering theyre people, yeah i imagine they will
outer nebula
they just dont look at stuff like clipping, they see if they can break the game, they do stuff like "what would happen if i place a nest in water"
dusty geyser
Chat make groups and all this stuff
thorny crag
This discussion is irrelevant imo cause they will do their testing and people will reoprt bugs when it comes out. Guess they won't and should not give out keys tbh
indigo sun
they can test out the survival aspect of it as well, that kinda falls under quality assurance since its not entirely just bug testing, thats just a huge part of it
the devs want to keep shit quiet
dusty geyser
You can't predict what people will do and they will totally forgett or leave something gamebreaking outta sight
thorny crag
They may will but who knows. We will find it out
indigo sun
theyre not doing an open beta for inefficient testing, simple as that. They trust these people to smooth out major bugs and if anything minor slips under the cracks they can just go in and fix the little shit
thorny crag
They probs find more things cause of the already collected experience
outer nebula
just be patient and wait is all i have to say. personally i rather wait then allow a bunch of people on a testing build