general-feedback-discussion

[frosty igloo]

like you can build like a nesting chamber and multiple exits and a food storage chamber and different tunnels

of courese not in a abuseble way

[covert birch]

You should only be able to do that if ya have multiple burrowers imo

So like if ya got 4 dryos ya can make tunnels connectin the burrrows

@pine anchor when suggesting a dino for the game you cant just say "x would be cool"
You must provide mechanics n such

[pine anchor]

Ah, i see

[fossil lodge]

add a little glide ability to baby raptors if they had feathers only babys/juveniles can do it and it's another means of escapeing bigger dinosaurs?

[amber horizon]

that doesn't really make sense

nor is it that realistic

[fossil lodge]

You are aware of microraptor right?

Its a little smaller then a crow but still a raptor and it glides

So why not let the baby raptors do it like actual baby birds they can glide a short bit

Its just add some depth to the raptors if only they had feathers

[pine anchor]

For certain creatures, yes that would make sense

However most baby raptors had wings too small to even work for gliding, i.e. Utahraptor, Dakotaraptor, things like that

And even as adults, their wings weren’t big enough

And on top of this, most of the dromaeosaurids have been fictionalized with having simply scaly skin, so all of the creatures we have seen that are raptors have been smooth, scaly skin

If Microraptor were to be added, yes, I would say the gliding mechanic would be good

However, there are heavy limitation for it, and would probably be an exclusive mechanic for it

Just my thoughts on it

[civic bloom]

feathers =/= it flies

sure, baby raptors might have feathers but that doesn't mean they'll become airborne

it'd be very likely that baby raptors feathers wouldn't be designed for flight or gliding (since they never were) and would also be too small to even catch wind

microraptor is different, its actually built to glide and 'fly'

[frosty igloo]

I mean dodo's had fearhers and wings yet couldent fly becaue they where not desinded to do so

[ebon tiger]

penguins have feathers. throw one off a roof. tell me if it flies

[frosty igloo]

I mean microraptor

[fossil lodge]

I'm not saying flying I'm saying some kind of glide something that makes sense seeing that there birds but look at what they did in surian they had wing assisted climbing yeah adult raptora climbing trees is not right but juveniles and babies yes that's a lot safer then being on the ground and how do they get down

[frosty igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/feathered-dinosaur-grovel-microraptor-gif-11866286

[civic bloom]

you wouldn't be able to slap ostrich feathers on an eagle and have it fly cause ostrich feathers aren't designed for flight

[fossil lodge]

Nobodys talking about flight here

[civic bloom]

it wouldnt work with getting airborne either

feathers dont instantly give something the ability to catch wind,

[fossil lodge]

Its just a suggestion

Cause its stupid that raptors rn are scaley and can't do much else besides run and hide

Just something for the babies to do so they don't die

[civic bloom]

if you die as something as small as a juvi or even hatchling utah, you're not good at hiding

[fossil lodge]

https://youtu.be/giscFxl6KTs

Like this

Its just a suggestion to make the game have more depth I'm not saying it's hard to be a Utah

Ita actually piss to be one just something to add depth to the game like baryonx spinosaurus and suchomimus eating fish and being more aquatic

[civic bloom]

except thats a species of raptor designed to do that.

[fossil lodge]

Right now isle is eat drink dont be eaten

Yeah but the isle isn't accurate when it comes dinosaurs and time period clearly its set in the future and there made by man to be a certain way so adding that isn't to far fetched

Just saying little things that add depth would be nice

[indigo sun]

@reef mica Fixing the stupid glitches that should have been easy to fix but weren't cause the code sucked is pretty much the whole point of the original recode. Things just expanded beyond that. They are well aware of how awful some of the bugs and stuff in this game are and a major part of 'EVIRMA' as they are now calling it is fixing those bugs and allowing them to fix future bugs a lot more easily

[pine anchor]

@dense mortar I have been told this, so I decided to pass the torch. You can’t just say “add x to the game”, and need to add mechanics, game style, more than just “Oh, insert dinosaur would be cool to have ingame”

[dense mortar]

Lol I know it’s just a meme I don’t really expect them to add random dinos it looks like a lot of work

[indigo sun]

youre really not supposed to put joke/troll suggestions in there. they like to keep that channel serious

[pine anchor]

I mean, these are isle suggestions, what would you expect from one of the largest Dino survival games?

[barren zephyr]

Did recode hit?

[upbeat trellis]

No

[safe galleon]

@potent sparrow why not just not 1 call and ask?

[delicate tulip]

@kindred mango pretty bad timing considering Australia but with the dry season, they could add wildfires as well, not guaranteed but could happen.

[kindred mango]

Well, and some people suggested viruses despite the Kung Flu going wild in China. If I should not mention anything you could link of misfortunate events somewhere on this planet, I could not suggest much.

[hallow vigil]

@dense mortar make sure to read pinned messages, if you want to suggest a dinosaur, you have to say more than just “add ___”

You have to give a reason for adding it

[potent sparrow]

@safe galleon I don't know, i thought it was funny, lol

[safe galleon]

I guess it would be kinda useful now that both males and females are needed but I also feel like a 1 call could do the same stuff

[potent sparrow]

It would be handy for servers that don't allow global chat

Takes the guess work out of broadcasts

Or instead of my initial suggestion, change maybe the dialect of 1 calls between gender

[barren zephyr]

https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401481371249541120/672254794336960527

So your saying. Seamless bone break heal?

[paper oriole]

how does somebody put herbirights in their name and then make a suggestion to cripple the herbivore population worse than it is already lol

[valid zephyr]

Because using maias as hunting dogs to pursue carnis long distance and slow them down while the heavier herbis like dibbles catch up and then kill them is not how herbis should be used. Herbis currently have to mix as they're arn't enough of them to go single species, but with AI herds they could have groups of 15 or more of the same species.

Herbis should be powerful enough to survive without relying on other species.

[covert birch]

They shouldnt have to rely on other species but that dont mean other species cant help em

The whole dryo scouting is the only thin i can agree with as a problem

[cyan flame]

They shouldnt help

Simple as that

[covert birch]

Maia is an issue in itself that would prolly be fixed

[cyan flame]

Species vs species, not faction vs faction

[covert birch]

Yes but the suggestion mentioned realism and animals today protect things that arent their species

While it shouldnt stretch like a trike defending a dryo

[valid zephyr]

I think herbis should be allowed to live alongside each other and eat in the same area, but don't think they should be actively protecting the other species.

[cyan flame]

Fair, but then it's a matter of game balance too, far as I can see. And well, survival to me is about you, not about "everyone else". Really, as long as you're alive, that's what should matter, if everyone else dies, better them than you.. :p

[valid zephyr]

you don't get buffalos guarding hippo babies while the hippo parent goes off to eat.

[covert birch]

ya get hippos defending zebras crossin lakes tho

[valid zephyr]

i've not heard of that?

[covert birch]

Ya can look it up

[valid zephyr]

what's in it for the hippo?

[covert birch]

Killing a crocodile

[paper oriole]

common enemies

[covert birch]

But thats jsut czu hippos op

[cyan flame]

Makes more sense that the hippos simply dislike the crocs than care for the zebras

[valid zephyr]

people would complain hippos were op if irl was a game.

[covert birch]

They would XD

[cyan flame]

xD

Fair few herbis that would be seen as op probably :p

[paper oriole]

herding with ai is much les fun than herding with your friends if they dont want to play the same hebri as you, carnivores outnumber herbis by a ton and that's unlikely to change and making it so herbies can't look out for eachother will just ruin the social aspect for so many

[cyan flame]

You can still herd with them though

Herding does not equal giving a shit about them :p

[paper oriole]

maia players do run down utahs and dilos at times but is that hurting the massive populatio of those two? nope

is it hurting the massive carni population? nope

[covert birch]

That specific example of maia runnin utahs down is just fixed with a change in maia

[paper oriole]

they can reduce maia's offensive capabilities without ruining herds

[covert birch]

^

[valid zephyr]

maias can run down those solo though. it's even worse when the maia do it to allos.

if the allos ignore them the maias assride till death, the allo turns to fight the dibbles catch up and kill it.

[cyan flame]

It's not about a herbi "running something down" I think, it's about the combined forces

[valid zephyr]

not a thing the allo can do to live.

[paper oriole]

the herbivore "death squads" obviously aren't nearly bad enough to put a dent in the massively skewed carni playerbase

[valid zephyr]

individually the maia can't kill it, and the dibble can't catch it.

[cyan flame]

There's a reason mixpacking carnis are bad

But for some reason mixherding herbis are fine, despite the same issue there

It's about the whole, I need to be able to handle two things I would handle differently, but can't cause they work together. I can fight a carno as allo, I can run from a rex, I can't do both at the same time though.

[paper oriole]

if they reduce maia's offensive abilities so it does jack shit to large dinos like allo it can ignore the maia all it wants

[valid zephyr]

Also i'm not 100% on board with the removing mixherbis suggestion, but i'm putting it out there to see what people think of it and get discussion on it.

[covert birch]

Remove maia headbutt. Boom it cant do that

Plus ide much rather maia do a kick type thin

[paper oriole]

maia can just shoulder check instead

[covert birch]

so things cant chase it

That too

[paper oriole]

it doesnt need a headbutt

[covert birch]

hell no hadros should do headbutts imo

They should all get body checks and/or kicks of some sort

[cyan flame]

Aren't maia actually more built for that than the others though?

[covert birch]

I have no idea

[paper oriole]

or the headbutt could only be affective to shove or toss small tiers but be brought to a halt when it uses it

[valid zephyr]

I mean i've suggested in the past maia headbutt is reduced to 50N, and it's given a powerful back kick or side check to injure things on its tail.

means it can keep its speed while not running things down.

[paper oriole]

instead of running around headbutt spamming

just reduce the offensive ability of maia, remove galli machine gun kick and replace it with trot attacks and stronger stationary attacks, there the two fastest herbis cant assride an allo to death

[covert birch]

https://youtu.be/omuLZK_HOXE?t=69 Found some of them hippos defending stuff

[valid zephyr]

galli could have a weak peck for use on the move, and a powerful but stam using kick which only works while standing.

[covert birch]

Nah gallis should be like kangaroos

Make em kickbox

[paper oriole]

he could peck while sprinting if he still wants to annoy players that does jack shit and have his actual attacks on trot and stationary

[covert birch]

galli doin this while not runnin would be cool. Can work as one of them fighting for dominace type deals too

[paper oriole]

was thinking he could have a stationary/walk attack like a cassowary where he rapidly kicks for devastating (to other similar sized or smaller dinos) damage

but since galli is a glass dino he'd have to be careful

[valid zephyr]

oof that wilderbeest is dead. it's got a broken leg.

[paper oriole]

and while trotting he can have his current kick

[covert birch]

now how deadly should said kick be

To lets say a utah

[cyan flame]

Galli machinegun kick + minimal turn radius while running + speed + small hitbox xD

Not sure which part of it is worst but together it makes them surprisingly lethal :p

[covert birch]

gotta be the small hitbox

[valid zephyr]

galli kick needs to at least slow it.

[covert birch]

Cuz a utah rn can kill em even when dealin with the spam kick if it hits it

[valid zephyr]

it's interupting its stride

[cyan flame]

Not sure why the run kick is so fast compared to the standing kick either..

[covert birch]

Like hell i can see the machinegun kick staying if it drains a shitton of stam

[cyan flame]

But yeah, actually kicking while running is probably not that easy to do

[covert birch]

Like every kick while running would use 1/4th of your stam

[cyan flame]

Could do a "jump kick" that drains stamina but is also "movement" so you cant just run in a circle with it perhaps

[paper oriole]

For everyone posting suggestions, from now on suggestions containing 'nerf/buff x, or please add X dino' are not permissive as they add nothing of value for the development team. Please propose a possible fix/weigh balance changes.

@finite karma

[covert birch]

what is a troath

[paper oriole]

was wondering the same thing lmao

the apostrophe just makes it worse

[finite karma]

Srrry

[paper oriole]

that hitted head one hurt to read too lol

you could say it... hurted my head

[covert birch]

Vippe what exactly is a troath
and what does
"also they should add the thingy if u get hitted in a head that uses smth strong but not teeth ur vison should get worse"
mean

[paper oriole]

think they mean powerful blunt trauma to the head

should blue your vision

like daze you

[covert birch]

I can see that working if something like a utah pounces into a pachys head

or if an allo grapples a anky tail

and somehow lives that ordeal

[paper oriole]

would be nice for pachy and perhaps carno

[covert birch]

@topaz iris pachyrhino is confirmed to happen at some point in to far future

Also ya cant say add X cuz its cool

Gotta give a reason

[topaz iris]

I mean yeah

I wasn’t done though

Xd

[covert birch]

Ok XD

send it all at once then. makes people like me less confused

[paper oriole]

isn't styraco notably smaller than trike

it'd be more comparable to the current diablo

[covert birch]

yea styraco is around oversized dibble rn

And pachyrhino is like 4/5ths the size of trike

[paper oriole]

pachyrhino differs enough to be its own dino, herbi bb tank. styraco is too close to diablo and toro is too close to trike

[covert birch]

Straco and toro would be more achivement skin type stuff

[paper oriole]

for a unique playstyle unless they decide to add skins

[covert birch]

Dondi mentioned skins as DLC

[paper oriole]

could probably work then lol

[covert birch]

But yea pachyrhino can work on its own

[paper oriole]

don't they have a styracosaurus model buried in the database?

an old one but still

[topaz iris]

I mean they are still tanks in my opinion

To medium carnivores

[ebon tiger]

well, Styraco could work somewhat, if it did more impaling damage than Trike/Diablo, but i'm not sure what else it has going for it gameplay-wise

[paper oriole]

probably just a slower tougher diablo if it had a different playstyle but it'd probably end up as a skin

[topaz iris]

But the patchy usually fended off against the gorgosaurus which was almost similar in size to the rex

Pachy*

[ebon tiger]

Rex is much bigger than Gorgo

[topaz iris]

Yes but not much

[paper oriole]

isnt gorgo like alberto size

[topaz iris]

Gorgo is faster

[ebon tiger]

aye

[topaz iris]

Probably

[covert birch]

it is

[ebon tiger]

Gorgo and Alberto are so close, there's debate that they're the same thing

[topaz iris]

Interesting

[covert birch]

yea gorgo is more alberto-like

[topaz iris]

The gorgo isn’t a suggestion

More of a example

To help support the pachy

[covert birch]

well usin your example. Alberto -> gorgo skin as dlc or from cheives
Pachy as its own dino
Diablo (if it stays oversized) -> styraco skin as dlc or from cheives

[topaz iris]

Because if it’s similar to the Alberto then it would still stand as useful in groups

[paper oriole]

pachyrhino, ampelosaurus and spinophorosaurus would make good additions to the herbi apex roster imo and theyre already eyeing pachy (i really want some viable sauropods please dondi lol)

[topaz iris]

Yes they would

[covert birch]

Ide prefer camasaurus to those other 2

[ebon tiger]

Pachyrhino is viable as a non-impaling ceratopsian. hell, wouldn't be surprised if a headbutt from that could break bones (if a Trike can, why can't a Pachyrhino)

[topaz iris]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

camara is nice but the other guy have back armour or tail thagomizers

a sauropod who deals bleed and an armoured sauropod

[covert birch]

Pachy would prolly be front facing anky like how trike is front facing stego

[topaz iris]

Yeah

[ebon tiger]

i know Trike in-game doesn't have bonebreak, btw, i'm just referring to IRL. a head that large and heavy would body you if it hit you

[topaz iris]

Yeah I know

[paper oriole]

trike may get bb back theyre reworking it

not sure though

[covert birch]

Doubt it

dondi said he hates bb

Hell prolly remove it from rex

[ebon tiger]

if it gets impale, i can't see why a reworked bonebreak couldn't work

[paper oriole]

in its current form yeah but its getting totally reworked

[topaz iris]

They are thick nosed lizards

[covert birch]

Hell he even said he may remove bb from combat overall (not including pachyceph breakin bones to run away)

[topaz iris]

In the name anyways

There is a lot of dinosaurs that cause bone break anyways

[covert birch]

I think what he wants with bb is to be used more defensively/run away type deal instead of for combat

[ebon tiger]

if bonebreak did get removed, then what advantage would the Rex have any more? T. rex is a crusher, not a bleeder

[covert birch]

Rex getting grapple

[topaz iris]

Yeah defensive

Defensive for herbis

[covert birch]

Grapples with mouth. Press down for a spike of damage. The grapple drains stam

[valid zephyr]

I mean styraco could either be a dibble skin if dibble stays where it is, or use dibbles current stats if dibble is made realistic size.

[topaz iris]

Damage for carnis

[covert birch]

Styraco dibble dlc skin wen

[topaz iris]

I mean like the allo has a axe for a head

[covert birch]

I do prefer oversized dibble tho. Doesnt make it just another ava

[topaz iris]

Carno is a bull

[paper oriole]

styraco could deal some good reflective/impact damage with his frill

[ebon tiger]

with locational damage coming, bone-break could still be viable. would be even more refined, too, since a slap to the tail won't shatter your legs any more

[valid zephyr]

real sized dibble would be closer to ava in size, and if they do that I reckon they should give it amazing night vision to forage after dark.

[paper oriole]

moreso than dibble if they are reworked to have both in

[covert birch]

if they ever do add a thorns-like effect tho especially with kentro comin maybe styraco can work as a standalone thing

(if dibble stays big)

[topaz iris]

I’m excited for the kentro

[ebon tiger]

Styraco is basically reverse-Kentro, so it could work

[valid zephyr]

i made a kentro suggestion yesterday but not many saw it.

[covert birch]

That suggestion was quite 10/10

[topaz iris]

I would also like to see them try to implement the majungasaurus

[covert birch]

Butcherbirds op

[paper oriole]

i'm excited for any herbivore who isn't a walking steak like para currently is and magyaro looks like its gonna be lol

[topaz iris]

Maybe be just like the gigs though

[covert birch]

majungosaurus is literally the same thing as carno

[topaz iris]

Giga*

[covert birch]

And magy doesnt seem like a walking steak to me

[topaz iris]

Like the carchdonto

[covert birch]

Concept art seems to have given it armor

osteoderms n such

[topaz iris]

Use them as like those dlc stuff

[valid zephyr]

para needs a super fast trot imo, instead of the worst in the game.

that way it doesn't need to burn all its (non regenerating) stamina just to move around.

[paper oriole]

doubt thatll do much against anything larger than a cerato tbh

[topaz iris]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

para needs a better trot and stam regen pretty badly

[topaz iris]

I don’t like the way gigas are just to fear the rex

They take down sauropods

[paper oriole]

if a giga sees your para and knows how to sniffwalk youre fucked basically

[covert birch]

heres what i see they gonna do with magy
Same speed as allo, less stam drain since kissen called it "athletic"
Osteoderms so a solo cera cant kill it easily
Tail whip + body checks

[paper oriole]

god seeing something with neck proportions like that galloping at allo speed is gonna be ridiculous lmao

if it makes it playable though then all for it i suppose

[topaz iris]

Lol

[covert birch]

Maybe itll lift its head up more when runnin or somethin

[paper oriole]

i'd like some larger saurpopods at some point, not titans but around camara's size, the ampelo or agustinia would be awesome larger armoured sauropods

[covert birch]

Wont look completely idiotic. Still silly tho especially with neck flap gigglin

The issue i see with sauropods is the fact they will be useless with locational damage

A rex would be tall enough to bite their neck and practically 1 shot em

thats why cama since its just big enough to keep neck outa bite range works imo

[paper oriole]

maybe yeah

[valid zephyr]

cama and apato would be a perfect pair imo. large enough to feel big, small enough for a giga pair to threaten.

[paper oriole]

could give them great standing/walking turn so they can try to avoid that and get in some hits lol

[topaz iris]

Look a giga group consists of at least 4 members

[covert birch]

not in the isle

should be 2-3 max

[topaz iris]

They are sauropod hunters

Having two mates is stupid but I know it makes sense

[paper oriole]

i do hope cama makes it at least

[covert birch]

Or ya know 2 parents 1 kid

[paper oriole]

groups of 4 gigas sounds pretty devastating to lots of mid tier dinos

[topaz iris]

In rl a giga group will need at least 3 to take down apatosaurus

[paper oriole]

i do hope cama makes it at least

[covert birch]

And by kid i mean one who stayed and grew with em

Not like a juvi

[topaz iris]

Yeah

It does sound devastating

But

Still

It’s supposed to be close to realistic as you can get for realism servers

[covert birch]

2 pro gigs can kill a cama and 3 can kill it with some difficulty

Realism servers prolly wont exist one day in the future

Especially since dondi said that he wants ingame systems to replace the need for rules

[valid zephyr]

cama and apato would be a perfect pair imo. large enough to feel big, small enough for a giga pair to threaten.

[paper oriole]

A good giga can solo a lone camara atm

[indigo sun]

@topaz iris discuss suggestions here

[topaz iris]

Yeah forgot lol

[valid zephyr]

@coarse torrent you too.

don't chat in suggestions

[covert birch]

family tree i like. The mating thing where its only specific time periods no

There is no real way to make it agreeable imo

Ya shouldnt be forced to have to wait to nest not including the waiting for growing into adult imo

[topaz iris]

How about a gestation stage?

[covert birch]

Gestating outside of nest is fine

[topaz iris]

Like you wait for a few minutes within the egg?

[covert birch]

No not that

[topaz iris]

Hm

[covert birch]

Like when a female gets a mate

[topaz iris]

Mhm

[covert birch]

Thats when the gestation process starts

[topaz iris]

Oh I guess so

[covert birch]

When ya put an nest down

If it said gestation process is done you can instantly put an egg

[topaz iris]

I like the idea of implementing the egg stage and only wait for 1-2 minutes

Or less

[covert birch]

egg stage would just be bad gameplay imo

Like there would literally be nothing you can do

[topaz iris]

What makes you say that?

Make baby noises lol

[covert birch]

inside an egg

[topaz iris]

Yes

[covert birch]

And making ababy noises for a minutre

[topaz iris]

But really it’s a thought

[covert birch]

Leading carnis to your egg in the process (if they make em louder)

[topaz iris]

Like try to burst out of the egg or something

I mean you can make noises

With your regular calls

My liking of the idea is the bursting four part

[covert birch]

The break outa nest thing can be neat if it starts when ya first invited to a egg

[topaz iris]

Out*

True yeah

Use That instead of waiting inside the egg

[covert birch]

So ya get invited then ya click attacks and your in third person watchin the egg shake

Eventually ya break out and done

[topaz iris]

Yeah

Little happy animations of you tumbling out I guess

Covered in goo

Maybe

[paper oriole]

Oh no another poop suggestion

[covert birch]

They gonna appear more often

After dondi mentioned poop on hte QNA stream

[paper oriole]

Oh noooooooooo

[violet magnet]

3 mating-related suggestions and one poop suggestion in one day, wtf did i miss in stream

[covert birch]

Ya missed dondi talkin bout shit.

Also people sadly talkin bout poop in #401464048610312195

[violet magnet]

mating calls, mating dances, nesting seasons:

• we are people playing virtual dinosaurs and we are not inclined to pair up with some stranger just because he has the best moves/the loudest call
• given this, designated mating dances or mating calls seem a little superfluous and an unnecessary expense on the devs' part. Can't think of any reason for them other than for the realism servers, but even there people usually make up their own "mating dances"
• how often would nesting seasons be? What if i want to nest NOW but the season isn't for another 4 hours? What if my mate has to log off before the season hits and then i won't be able to nest at all?

poop:

• No.

[agile whale]

it's always been planned but as for how it's never been disclosed as far as I'm aware

[indigo sun]

A male being required isnt an issue

[covert birch]

ar'khon males will be needed for nesting after evrima

[pseudo hedge]

@paper merlin as much as i like that idea, it might lead to predators targeting people with/ without perks based on who has what.

[severe idol]

Jesus that's a dump there of suggestions.

[covert birch]

I fucked up how i wrote it in the google doc so i just copy pasted as it was

[safe galleon]

Wow that poop suggestion is really shit

[ebon tiger]

@covert birch one problem with the tail-dropping idea; dinosaurs physically can't "drop" their tails, and if something bit the tail off, it won't regrow

[covert birch]

Cant really tell if your saying that from a realism perspective or a programming perspective.
For the programming perspective I'm sure they can pull that off with different body parts getting different gore models and they can just do that system into the tail.
For the realism perspective I dont think this is so unrealistic that they wouldnt consider giving any playable something of this nature

[safe galleon]

@glossy path could you explain what you mean in the first suggestion?

[still temple]

an entirely new set of animations would have to be made for a tail-less Homalo

since it doesnt have a tail as a counter balance, it would have to adopt a much more upright stance

[glossy path]

Like when you die you have to be added again

It would be easier for everyone if they didn’t have to add someone again if they die

[valid zephyr]

Currently when you die it kicks you from the group. If the group was busy and didn't notice you die, there is no way to rejoin.

I quite like the idea of you not being kicked from the group when you die (as long as you go same species again)

[covert birch]

@strong forge dinosauric said he wont use cossawary in ovi sounds yesterday

[covert birch]

@lone flax iirc dondi specifically said he wont add an auto-run key and that the closest thing to it would be gliding as a flyer

[covert thicket]

Mating season should be differant for all dinosaurs species.. Like Trike should be at some hours, because they are also polygam, the dominant male will mate with all the female of his herd, so it doesnt mater if one of them need to log off..
Animal have reason to mate with more then only one partner like us human who dont have any mating season and any predator to fear. Some of the dino like i think like the Utahraptor should have only one mate and be able to mate when they want.
But also.. those feature are more for adding realism and for feeling more like a real dinosaurs then a human.. more then survival..

[severe idol]

Mating season sounds needlessly complex.

[valid zephyr]

Honestly nesting whenever is a better option. Nesting is already meh compared to just spawning.

no need to make it worse

also there will never be a 'dominant male' in the isle. people will choose to nest with their friends instead of some random claiming they're the alpha

[covert thicket]

Sad that we will never completely get a realist dinosaurs experience.. meh.. 😐

[severe idol]

No dino mating. 🧱

[covert birch]

A completely realistic dinosaur experience will be impossible in a game with stain animals/plants, humans, the fact that they care about gameplay > realism, etc
Ya shouldve never bought this game thinking it would be a realistic experience

[valid zephyr]

100% realism does not make for good gameplay.

Hell, 100% realism would mean like 15 years real time to grow a rex.

[covert thicket]

What about a feature were we can make our dino show some emotion with body language?

like if your happy, your dryo would jump or swinging is tail? that would be cute xD

[last heath]

isnt 2 and 3 calling enough tho?

4 calling too

if anything, modding will be a thing anyway

[covert thicket]

That thing would be quiet too

unlike calling

[covert birch]

Ide be fine with an emote wheel with all the calls and maybe also things like sparring put on there

Would make it so i dont accidently click 1 anymore when sniffing

[last heath]

mayhaps. more communication tolls. but not necessarily needed

also, pretty sure dondi said he wants the ability to cancel calls

so you know... you dont get stuck 1 calling cuz fat fingers

[covert birch]

every time he mentioned canceling calls it's example was somethin dying

[keen chasm]

legacy gamez building on your mating idea maybe male dinosaurs could build up their nests to compete for females in some species at least. im pretty sure most birds do this and it would make males part of the reproductive process

if the female lay the eggs in his wallow/nest they are his babies too

[carmine cobalt]

I like the idea of the male helping out with the nest so there is a reason to have a mate or even be a male

[last heath]

simple.
Male: builds nest
Female: clicks on nest and eggs materialize

[keen chasm]

the changing water levels look good and right after my dry/wet season idea 🙂

[paper oriole]

uuugh another friendly fire complaint suggestion

how about just be better at pack hunting and accept the consequences of bad coordination

[feral sedge]

"but hes my friend so his 7 inch teeth shouldn't pierce my skin"

"BECAUSE FRIENDSHIP"

[paper oriole]

lmfao

"sorry i bite yeu UWU"

[feral sedge]

"MLP TAUGHT ME FRIENSHIP IS MAGIC"

"SO IT MUST BE TRUE"

[paper oriole]

"wemmie wick youw wound OWO"

dumbass packs that pile ontop of shit deserve to bite eachother lol

i hope utahs can accidentally knock eachother off of pounce targets too and they can smack into the ground and eat shit

[keen chasm]

but dinosaur would have fine motor control so they could aim better at their targets there a mouse doesnt give you that control

it would help if there was something to help you aim your attacks so that 2 people attacking isnt so random

[feral sedge]

but you are the dinosaur

it takes from your aiming skills

you bite your teammate your fault

[keen chasm]

not really i can aim my head right at the dino i want to hit and sometimes i might get a close by team mate

it makes it so only 1 can attack at a time

[feral sedge]

than you both fucked up

don't mob like a brainless chicken

[keen chasm]

thats how raptors hunted

[feral sedge]

by running through things clipping and biting at their ankles

[keen chasm]

and it just makes sense that they would be able to aim their heads and hit the target they want

[feral sedge]

in the recode your gonna be poucning shit

not biting their ankles

your basing you opinion on broken systems

[keen chasm]

yeah that swhat i meant they would pounce on the side and use claws to cause bleeding

maybe so

multiple raptors would attack at once though and mostly avoid killing eachother so that should be a thing though

[feral sedge]

when their cordinated

not mobing like brainless chickens

[keen chasm]

all im trying to say is that a friend could be 1 foot away from an enemy in real life and a raptor would almost certainly be able to hit what it wanted due to reflexes. However trying to accomplish such aiming in game currently is impossible

[feral sedge]

than don't try to

don't rush mindlessly

take your time

and let others have their turn

[covert birch]

Imo only time friendly fire should be reduced is within sparring

[keen chasm]

well iguess agree to disagree

[covert birch]

During hunts is just idiotic to reduce it cuz the whole idea of hunts is to coordinate/plan instead of just run in bite repeat. A real hunt ya gotta know who bites what when were etc

[keen chasm]

so when something like this happens these lions should be ripping each other to pieces because they haven't coordinated their attack. idk about that

[covert birch]

Animals doin shit perfectly in real life makes for bad gameplay. Ya cant make huntin too easy

[keen chasm]

they could be crushed at any moment

once physics is added i think hunting will be hard

tail will help protect the back

[covert birch]

not every dino will get a tail swipe

[keen chasm]

the devs showed how the tail moves with turning so turning should cause serious force knocking over smaller pursuers

[covert birch]

tails move with turning cuz they wanna make it look cool

[keen chasm]

when the system is physics based

[covert birch]

Prolly wont have anything to do with combat other then things like stego, anky, teno, and sauropods

[keen chasm]

well idk if it will push them like real physics then it should knock them over which will be deadly

[keen chasm]

taiga looks nice!

personally i want to try out a more arid map though

[covert birch]

@lavish prism with alt turn being forced. Idk if a hind attack is needed for every dino. Not only that but stuns is basically a bad gameplay mechanic that wouldnt fit here

[keen chasm]

espirit i think that is a better fix to alt turning

[covert birch]

Well alt turn being forced whether ya like it or not 🤷‍♂️

So it aint really a fix

Especially with how alt turn is in basic movement system now

[keen chasm]

alt turn makes no sense i dont like it

[covert birch]

your one of those people i see

[keen chasm]

yeah

[covert birch]

How does an animal turning in place not make sense

A elephant can do it, birds can do it

Lizard n crocs do it

If your issue is realism

[lavish prism]

well it also depends on the dino as im sure some alt turning is not meant to be a defense but rather to allow players to just well not get stuck or fall off of high areas

[keen chasm]

try turning in place at the same speed as a mouse

[covert birch]

not every dino gonna turn super fast

Larger = slower alt turn

At least post recode

[keen chasm]

ah ok thats fine then

[lavish prism]

i can understand that and that makes alot of sense

[covert birch]

Like did ya even see the trike alt turn

quite slow

[keen chasm]

as long as they are slow

and it makes sense im cool

[covert birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDodx7Pyl-Q

This videos better

[keen chasm]

yeah thats fine

[lavish prism]

same here but my suggestion is more of a defensive tactic i would imaging as a setback to doing so it would take up stamina (which could be used to run if need be) and may take a moment to do again depending on the size of the dino

[keen chasm]

trike should have faster turn than a longer animal since its compact

[covert birch]

seems quick enough to lkeep big things off its ass

Also espirit leave tail stuff for specific dinos

Like sauropods, anky, stego, etc

[lavish prism]

well the other issue is can you attack while turning like that

[keen chasm]

i think tail stuff would be good

[covert birch]

A back kick just wouldnt work with anims imo.

[keen chasm]

think of when raptors are behind you and you cant do anything

[lavish prism]

and yes the tail thing is specific to things like ankys and stegos and the few others that have long tails

[covert birch]

Dondi said this bout trike vs raptors

[keen chasm]

it irritating because in real life you could hit them with your tail and send them flying

[covert birch]

He said itll be like lions on a hippo. THey can pounce em but the hippo wont give a shit

[lavish prism]

yes but if you cant get them and they can just keep attacking then your still going to die eventually

[keen chasm]

thats why raptors have those long claws they can cut thick skin and make them bleed out

[covert birch]

Nah they wont

Dondi used another example

If i see mike tyson i can punch him in hte face. But that doesnt mean its smart

basically meanin. Ya can do somethin dont mean ya should

Also remember how much stam pounce gonna use

Ya gonna run out then the trike is gonna just walk ya down

[keen chasm]

u are the same relative size as mike tyson though so its not relevant to this scenario

[covert birch]

nah dondi is like 5'4

[keen chasm]

he might even be faster

thats still reletively the same

[covert birch]

dondi be quite short

[keen chasm]

trikes are like 10x bigger then velo

for weight

[lavish prism]

yes but your speaking in terms that players will ALWAY go according to what is planned. Gamers have a habit of taking what should have been perfect and finding loop hole in it hence the Turn Lock thing i mentioned

[covert birch]

And like 6x bigger than trike. In hte end it aint gonna happen

Plus yall aint remembering locational damage gonna be a thing

Attacking the butt will deal a shitton less damage than the head

And if we still using trike vs raptors as an example
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/626862728845328395/667930930748588033/Utah_Pounce_Trike_Horns.mp4

[lavish prism]

well yea i would imagin if its going to be more realistic on a trike the neck area would be the spot you need to go after or the underbelly (in the case of ankys)

[keen chasm]

dont attack the horn for lord sake!

go for the back or side and grab on

[lavish prism]

yes lol i saw that vid and was both horrified but also kind excited about that lol

raptor skews for Rex cook in all of us

For that goring thing though id think there should be a way to get the dino off of you like it shakes it off as an idle and just flops the body to the ground

[covert birch]

Found the hippo thing dondi was referencing
https://youtu.be/iIECA7J5Lx8?t=17

[lavish prism]

oh i know what you mean XD

[covert birch]

Filipe said the body being gored will fall off

[lavish prism]

annnd technically a pack of lions can take down a hippo if the cordinate it right buuut generally they wont go after them unless they REALLY need to

[covert birch]

Its the best modern day example to use it

Like a hippo lion weight disparity isnt as massive as a utah trike one

Best way to show it with images tho

[lavish prism]

i remember them saying that too, but id like to see the trike just force it off like a form of dominance thing like "which one of you are next" sort of thing lol

[keen chasm]

this is what im thinking
velo vs trike - attack from back or side, use claws to cause bleed, slowly tire and kill
velo vs rex - attack from front and get wrecked, attack from back and get swiped by tail if he notices, side attack is the only option and he should be able to turn his head to bit... raptors lose vs trex... real life

[covert birch]

Headbuttin will prolly bush it off

Velo isnt gonna do nothing

Velo is smaller than utah

[keen chasm]

utah i mean

[civic bloom]

solo utah shouldnt be able to kill a trike imo

[lavish prism]

i got what he ment though lol

[covert birch]

The utahs will be able to kill a trike. But theyll need like 15 utahs to do it and theyll loose 12 while doing it

[keen chasm]

they could through bleeding but it would be hard/dangerous

[covert birch]

Ya need to think bout the cost before going through with the hunt

Again trike gonna have some dummy thick skin + locational

[civic bloom]

they should need a big pack to overwhelm and tire it out. it would be a very hard fight that would cost many utahs lives.

[covert birch]

Those 2 factors arent gonna allow utahs to go around killin trikes

[lavish prism]

I agree with that BUT again if the trike doesn't have a way to defend against something like the Turn lock exploit then that wont matter cause they will just need to stay away from the head.

[covert birch]

Cuz theyll think Oh shit most of us will die unless its literally a baby controlling the keyboard

Also not only that but we know dinos will be able to shake stuff pouncin on them off

We dont know how

[civic bloom]

good thing movement is being overhauled so you cant spin to win anymore

[covert birch]

But we know they will

[keen chasm]

yeah its just a stay away from head and waiting game

once hitboxes and physics come in i think utah will have a good chance vs trike

[civic bloom]

if you can stay away from the head. trike will turn a lot easier and a lot faster now with Evrima update

no lol

[keen chasm]

supposedly they hunted similar things

[covert birch]

Utah aint gonna have a good chance with anything larger than maia

[civic bloom]

utah solo is a small game hunter

[lavish prism]

yea but thats only right now
of course well have to revisit this after the Alt turning is introduced fully and see if its enough to stop people form soloing big dinos cause of that

[keen chasm]

they are so fast

[covert birch]

Oh yea forgot to mention 1 thing

trample damage is gonna be in all big stuff to

[keen chasm]

maneuvering to attck from behind and encircling will be deadly

[civic bloom]

packed utahs bully midtiers. They shouldnt be able to compete with an apex unless that have massive numbers

[covert birch]

12+ utahs imo should be able to kill utah

apex*

[lavish prism]

XD

[covert birch]

engrish is good today

[keen chasm]

pounce will make them not get trampled if they are good

[civic bloom]

until theyre shaken off and then stomped

[covert birch]

Dmig ya seem to forget pounce costs a shitton of stam

Or what tenoto just said

[lavish prism]

lol its ok i only speak english and its hard to do for me lol

[keen chasm]

utahs have such an advantage on trikes because they have nothing to defend them from behind

then they cling on and cut

[civic bloom]

trike doesnt have its slow ass turn radius anymore dude thats the thing

[covert birch]

They cling on, waste stam, fall off, die

The utahs will prolly run outa stam doing that strat before the trike dies'

[keen chasm]

jump off before you run out and let the next utah start cutting

[lavish prism]

also @potent sparrow I do have a suggestion on humans but its a bit of a read (like more then what i just posted before lol)

[civic bloom]

everything turns on a dime and not only that but filipe said that youll be able to to attack in the middle of a turn

[covert birch]

Dmig again. if every utah does that. Theyll run outa stam before trike dies

Plus we havent even spoke of herds yet

[lavish prism]

the thing is when it comes to playing this game unless you are a apex its going to be vastly team based and strategy to survive

[civic bloom]

meaning you can gore while youre turning, its not gonna be as easy as just "get behind it" anymore

[covert birch]

hell im sure trikes headbutt will be able to reach stuff on its side

[keen chasm]

how do lions take down elephants?

[covert birch]

when doing hte turn hop thing

[lavish prism]

if thats the case thats great BUT what about other dinos?

[civic bloom]

they dont

[covert birch]

Old and weak ones'

Otherwise they dont

[keen chasm]

elephants can clearly wreck a lion

[lavish prism]

^

^

[keen chasm]

but they jump on it back

[covert birch]

Yes and thats what were literally saying

Lions dont kill healthy adult elephants

they kill sick, weak, old ones

[civic bloom]

unless that elephant is so elderly to the point its giving up or sick or young. An elephant will destroy lions

[keen chasm]

if there was only healthy ones they could potentially kill them, of course they go for the weakest first

[covert birch]

The weakest being children

Which isnt at all related to this discussion

[keen chasm]

it is though

[covert birch]

Cuz were talkin bout adult trike vs utah pack

[civic bloom]

also do we need to get the image of a waterbuffalo with lions on its ass and literally not caring at all cause they cant bite ot scratch through?

[lavish prism]

in the case of going after larger creatures mid and small preds will have to play the savenger game and look for hurt dinos

[covert birch]

The only time it is related is with elders which will be defended too

[keen chasm]

which is basically lions vs elephant

[civic bloom]

yes. lions do not take down fully grown adult elephants

[covert birch]

^

[lavish prism]

and yes this got very far off topic XD
we were discussing that dinos dont need back attacks due to the Alt turn system lol

[civic bloom]

they die doing that.

[covert birch]

They take weak, old, sick, and dying

[keen chasm]

they would try if the alternative was starvation

[covert birch]

they would try and fail

[keen chasm]

they just go for the weakest ecause they exist

[civic bloom]

exactly they would try and die

[keen chasm]

you cant be sure

[covert birch]

Im sure

[lavish prism]

today on Discovery channel

[keen chasm]

they definetly have a chance

[lavish prism]

lol

[covert birch]

expecially since trike is heavier, thicker skinned, and stronger than a elephant

[civic bloom]

dmig get your Jurassic park utah fantasies out of here ffs

[keen chasm]

raptors are stonger than lions

[covert birch]

They may look like em but they aint gonna be strong like em

a lion can prolly 2v1 raptors and win

[keen chasm]

they have massive claws to cause bleeding

[covert birch]

But thats besides the point

[keen chasm]

i dont think they hunted little dino with that

[civic bloom]

dmig this isnt fucking jurassic park

[covert birch]

The claws will not peirce the trikes ass

[dense shuttle]

a lion could kill atleast 2 raptors at most 3-4

[keen chasm]

im being realistic

[covert birch]

B/c of the fact dondi literally said utahs wont do nothing to a trike

[civic bloom]

no youre not

[keen chasm]

raptors probaly hunted bigger animals and it can be seen in their adaptations

[dense shuttle]

utahs would barley touch a trikle

[covert birch]

2 things
No you arent
And this game about realism

aint about*

[dense shuttle]

half realism half fun

[civic bloom]

if you were being realistic you'd realise it'd take a massive amount of utahs to actually down a trike

[covert birch]

Gameplay > realism

[lavish prism]

semi realisim

[dense shuttle]

raptors only hunted big things in packs

and they WOULD NOT hunt a trike

[lavish prism]

i have started something terrible lol

[covert birch]

Espirit that happens always

[keen chasm]

so its about unrealistic battles where real strategies are banned

[dense shuttle]

they would hunt maia, or somtimes sub or juves

banned?

[keen chasm]

like death from bleeding of 1000 cuts

[covert birch]

or ya know. dumb people die

[dense shuttle]

dmig

[covert birch]

As ive said multiple times here

[dense shuttle]

think of it this way

[civic bloom]

@dmig do you not know how fucking thick trike skin would be?

[dense shuttle]

lion vs hippo

what wins?

a hhippo can crush a lion with ease

[keen chasm]

so would a raptors massive claw cause bleeding to a trike?

[dense shuttle]

not really

trikes thick skin

[keen chasm]

or it does no damage?

[dense shuttle]

and armor head

[covert birch]

a 👏 utahs 👏 claws 👏 wont 👏 pierce 👏 a 👏 trikes 👏 hide

[dense shuttle]

i mean

[covert birch]

Not much bleeding whatsoever

[civic bloom]

it would do barely anything

[dense shuttle]

maube a few bleed but not anything major

[covert birch]

Like literally .2 bleed at max

[dense shuttle]

maybe just 2.0

but nothing much

and trike woulod heal faster than 2 bleed anyway

[covert birch]

Depends how bleed is applied after recode

But if we use current game rn

And utah magically got pounce

.2-.5 bleed

from the scratches

[keen chasm]

well than trikes dont have to worry about them i guess and i have no idea what raptors hunted since everything at that tie have thick skin and raptors claws were just for display clearly

[dense shuttle]

thats like saying a austo trying to kill a carno

not gonna happen

[covert birch]

Raptors will hunt things from allo size and down

[dense shuttle]

lmao

[covert birch]

In big ol packs

In mega packs

[civic bloom]

@keen chasm were talking about a fucking triceratops dude. this thing is fucking massive.

[covert birch]

Like 15+ sure it can down an apex

[keen chasm]

why would they have massive claws

[dense shuttle]

raptor could hunt alot but they would be smart and not die in the procesess

[covert birch]

at the cost of like 12 of em

[dense shuttle]

for ripping flesh

[keen chasm]

to take down prey their size

or bigger?

[dense shuttle]

thats what teeth are for

they hook on with there claws

[keen chasm]

no teeth are worse

[covert birch]

dmig we arent saying utah didnt hunt bigger stuff

[civic bloom]

their claws are for killing things BUT I DONT THINK YOU REALISE HOW FUCKING BIG A TRICERATOPS IS

[covert birch]

We are saying it wont do shit to a trike

specifically trike

[keen chasm]

i do

[covert birch]

And other extremely large stuff

[keen chasm]

i said it would be hard

but possible

[covert birch]

Yes difficult and take a shitton of utahs makin like 12/15 of em die

[keen chasm]

maybe

[covert birch]

Its possible, Extremely not probable

[civic bloom]

LIONS CLAWS ARE USED FOR GRIPPING AND SHREDDING SKIN, THAT DOESNT MEAN THEY CAN CUT THROUGH HIPPO HIDE.

[lavish prism]

OK so what have we established about the suggestion discussion? (i think this chat about dinos and lions should be moved to the paleotalk or offtopic area)

[keen chasm]

its like elephants killing a lion, some definelty get stomped

[covert birch]

Itll take like 1hr gametime to even hurt the trike properly

[dense shuttle]

a lion wouldnt attack a elephant...

[keen chasm]

they do though

[dense shuttle]

it would only hunt a weak or elderly elephant

[covert birch]

Yea lets actually talk bout the suggestion

[covert birch]

Instead of arguing about something that should be obvious

That is a baby elephant

[dense shuttle]

^

that is far from a adult

[covert birch]

were talking about a full grown trike

but anyways

[civic bloom]

notice how that is a baby elephant and how even then, that baby elephant doesnt even look like its struggling?

[dense shuttle]

what?

[covert birch]

imo tail attacks should be reserved for specific dinos like sauropods, stego, anky, anythin new that comes out'

While bodychecks/kicks can be put into hadros

[dense shuttle]

kentro

[covert birch]

But replacin their headbutts

[dense shuttle]

pachy needs to do a small bonebreak to small dino

[covert birch]

Its getting bb

dondi said it gonna break carno bones

[dense shuttle]

good

pachy deserves a pro epic gamer move

imagine

pachy vs utah

utahs screwed

[covert birch]

pachy would realistically 1 shot it if it hit its ribs

[dense shuttle]

or head

and not 1 shot

[covert birch]

If a utah pounces a pachys head

It should be big broken

[civic bloom]

if utah gets a good pounce tho? rip pachy

[covert birch]

exactly

[dense shuttle]

yep

tho pachy could still redeem itself

if it gets maybe a few hits it could break leg

and then game over for utah

hopfully bonebreak isnt instanty

[covert birch]

Also derpy for ya crab suggestion kissen said no to crabs

[dense shuttle]

ik

i saw in filipe stream

it was just a suggestion being leading off of the crab bit which is why i suggested others

[covert birch]

clams n such would be good tho

[keen chasm]

looks pretty similar to me

@civic bloom

[covert birch]

ah yes another image of a baby elephant

wait no

Is that a hippo?

[keen chasm]

look at the size comparisons though

same ratio

[covert birch]

Size itself dont matter

its the weight behind hte size

i can be as tall as a tower but if i got no pack behind my punch i aint doin nothin

[keen chasm]

lions have smaller claws bud if anything would be better it the raptor

[covert birch]

Once again. The raptors wont be able to pierce the trikes hide

For 2 basic reasons

both gameplay purposes, and the fact trikes got a dummy thick hide

[keen chasm]

they have special muscles to apply force to their claws in real life for this specific reason

their claws are make to rip through the toughest skin

trikes dont have full on armour plates on their sides

[covert birch]

Your exaggerating utahs quite a bit. While yes they can pierce big things skin. They wont pierce the skin of somethin as large and muscled as trike

Also all this would fit more into #paleotalk

[keen chasm]

well you guys are saying its not true so ive got to explain my point

they have fossilized remains of smaller raptors fighing with smaller cousins of trikes

[covert birch]

Well if the point uses a: pretty disproportional comparisons and b: ignores the fact they dont want utahs killin trikes without at least 10 then its pretty wrong

[keen chasm]

i dont think they are disproportional i gave images compairing them

[covert birch]

Once again. Baby elephants are much weaker than adult ones

[keen chasm]

also i have stated facts that support my view

[covert birch]

hell if ya found an image of lions killing adult elephants'

then maybe ide side with ya

[keen chasm]

bro the size ratio is the same even if that is a baby

[covert birch]

since a trike was basically the equivalent of one

Once again. Size isnt what matters when it comes to strength

A child cant tank as much as an adult

[keen chasm]

what if the child of one species is bigger than the adult of another species?

[covert birch]

Unless its a large difference

then no

and when i say large difference i mean stuff like. A baby elephant compared to a adult human

[keen chasm]

if lions have 6 inch powerful claws i think they could take down an adult elephant but that is not their main prey

tell me, what do you think utahs hunted?

[covert birch]

Prolly small stuff since it was easy

And abundant

The pounce used to quickly kill em with em toes

Land n stab

But they obv would go for larger prey

[keen chasm]

then why have 6 inch claws if you only specialize in killing small stuff

[covert birch]

Cuz once again. ya can jump something and insta kill em with calws

But obv they would go for larger prey

[keen chasm]

its overkill though

[covert birch]

if the oppurtunity arrises

but nothing as large as a trike

[keen chasm]

ok then maybe i have over estimated raptors, i guess there is no way to definitively prove it

[covert birch]

thats basically everything what weve been sayin. Ya think they can do much more then actually what they did

[keen chasm]

they did find this fossil i will add which is close to what im saying

[covert birch]

that is protoceratops

and velociraptor

[keen chasm]

yeah i know

[covert birch]

Different animals different situations

[keen chasm]

it is a similiar situation to be honest though with similiarly adapted animals

[covert birch]

proportionally velo compared to proto is much closer than utha to trike

[keen chasm]

ok

[civic bloom]

do I have to explaint this again to you?

[keen chasm]

you have no faith

[civic bloom]

A Lions claws are meant to grasp prey and rip through skin and flesh. this doesnt mean they can use their claws to cut through a hippo

IT SAYS ELEPHANT C A L V E S

[keen chasm]

read more

[civic bloom]

I never said utahs taking down a trike is impossible but it will require a lot of utahs in one pack, and most of them will die. It will be a long and hard fight

[keen chasm]

now we finally agree

[civic bloom]

in an average pack of 5 or 6 they would likely all die trying

solo would be impossible

[keen chasm]

i agree but there is a chance however small

depending on the skill of both players

[civic bloom]

well thats for any interactions

[keen chasm]

true

well actually some would be almost impossible like comp vs rex

[civic bloom]

and like dondi said, He can physically punch a boxer. and there is technically a small chance of him winning. But he's still picking a fight with a professional boxer

[lavish prism]

@azure arch I love that idea though i think it should be save for apex adults only. either way this would be a great addition

perhaps in addition, the size of the Apex will determine the area around them that birds go quiet

[azure arch]

Well thanks! But I think it should go for sub and adults. You won't really be able to tell which is which because the birds pipe down just the same. Apex subs are strong enough to take out almost every middle tier dinosaur

[cursive haven]

Having a white list system

cause it's cool to play with no rule in sandbox, but it's funny 10 minutes, after ....

[blazing charm]

@fiery edge So, Collossus then?

[fiery edge]

Oh... okay... that exists already... 😅

[torn thistle]

@sullen prism Remember to chat in here, not in #general-feedback

[glass mulch]

@frosty igloo why would there be an arctic like part of a map set to be a tropicall island?

[frosty igloo]

Well Hawaii has tall mountains and volcanoes in there is snow up there

and also if you look at the current night sky you can see the Northern Lights meaning we are not that far

[glass mulch]

Bruh i am talking about isla spero

[empty dove]

@glass mulch tbh, it'd be ok as the devs aren't after realism... Infact Dondi has openly said he does not like the idea of realism

so it'd be ok

cuz, another bio where people can have a different type of playstyle

[glass mulch]

Well.. he Said he dont like the idea of a desert or winter biome on a tropical island

[empty dove]

potentially having scaled dinosaurs more suseptible to the cold of the winter, where small juvies and hatchlings freeze quickly

maybe another island for it then

[glass mulch]

Ye

[empty dove]

I'm all for a snowy island

[indigo sun]

@trim flume they have plans to fix the issue with the hitboxes and latency

[glass mulch]

Yeah sounds kinda cool

[trim flume]

@indigo sun oh niceee

[valid zephyr]

Don't think an arctic biome would fit a tropical island that well. Hawaii does get snow on the volcano in winter, but it's not an entire biome.

Arid biome in the mountains rainshadow would be nice though.

A potential seperate map in a cooler region, with redwoods and frozen mountains would be a fun idea though.

[topaz iris]

A snow island I’m not quite sure for that

[frosty igloo]

Idk its just a idea

I mean having a island with snow would be at least intresting

I mean I know where you guys are coming from

but come on

its at least fun to dream

[empty dove]

remember that we may be getting mod tools though

[frosty igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/timetoparty-gif-9675080

[limber vigil]

Obviously he cares about realism. Just not hyper realism where eveything is completely the same as it would be irl. Hes obviously going to make it to a point where you can suspend your disbelief

e.g. ark style desert surrounded by arctic

nobody would be able to suspend their disbelief about that unless it was explained to a point where it could be posible

[keen chasm]

what do you guys think of a dry season?

[empty dove]

@keen chasm epic idea, dry and wet seasons

[covert birch]

well were supposedly getting a tide system both emptying and filling lakes/rivers so a dry and wet season to tie into that would be neat

[keen chasm]

i dont know if the devs are planning something like this but i personally thought dry/wet seasons would be cool after rewatching ballad of big al

[calm musk]

Id be lookin' forward to wet/dry seasons

It'd be interesting because it would force players to travel rather than sit at a single location

[keen chasm]

yeah thats what i was thinking

it is realistic and has good gameplay mechanics

instead of having to organize migrations for little reason it would happen naturally and be basically mandatory for survival

[covert birch]

even without a dry/wet season migrations would happen naturally/ be mandatory

[keen chasm]

ive played the game as part of a herd before and migrations at this point in the game dont have the right feel to them. like you can just migrate 1 min down a river and there is more bushes then migrate back which isnt really a migration its more like eating a different bush while you wait for the others to grow back.

[covert birch]

It aint gonna be like that post recode

[keen chasm]

ok that might be good then

[covert birch]

herbis gonna have to follow specific migration paths

for just food

Water is just gonna add onto that

[lavish prism]

@steady sapphire i had a similar idea like that ill problaby post it once i get the details together though

[steady sapphire]

yeah its not super detailed right now

nice to know somebody had related idea

the idea was alittle something like this

https://youtu.be/TOsoUYjpjII ya know?

i hope this does not affend anyone

[covert birch]

@fiery edge dondi specifically said it will be only dinos/ big lizards. No mammals n stuff (except humans)

[lavish prism]

@fiery edge I think that the reason they have it this way is that the isle is a "maintained" island so creatures that are normally found in the world may not exist there simply because they were either wiped out for the dinos or just never put there to begin with

thats just my theory anyway

I have an interesting theory that i want to post sometime as well that ties in with this though lol

[fiery edge]

I see... makes sense... thanks

[covert birch]

also yea if any modern animal existed on this island they would be quickly wiped out. Like only thing that would prolly survive is birds/rodents

[lavish prism]

dont get me wrong itd be nice to see more prey AI's running around but at the same time i dont want my computer to blow up at a low - medium setting cause of extra AI running around

but mostly its to do with the lore more or less

[paper oriole]

Ew yikes wolves in the isle

wolf mod flashbacks

@narrow lagoon wrong channel

[narrow lagoon]

My bad

[still temple]

Docktah OCs are bad enough already

no need to throw Wolf OCs into the mix

[covert birch]

I remember that wolf "alpha" from that mod being able to solo a spino

[keen chasm]

i would want to see small mammals that were around in the dinosaur ages as a prey item for troodon because idk what they would hunt otherwise but not a big variety and rodent-like.

[covert birch]

@keen chasm they said troodon packs gonna kill midtiers with venom

[keen chasm]

ah ok

i wouldnt mind this personally though

[covert birch]

Rodents ai can be easily replaced by compys and birds by pteras

ya can easily make dino ai do as modern animal ai can do

[keen chasm]

are you saying they should be added because they already have an AI that would work for those kinds of animal?

[covert birch]

Im saying mammal ai isnt needed since dino ai can do the same thing

[keen chasm]

ok

[lavish prism]

i personally think the omission of mammals (least modern day ones) is simply to do with the lore of The Isle

[keen chasm]

yeah i definitely agree with omitting modern day ones

they would ruin the game by being easy prey

[lavish prism]

i mean... it depends on what stage your at

like if your a hatchling or a juvenile it can be hard to go after anything and depending on the server rules you could be in trouble if you spawn in and need to survive as you are.
So for Juveniles and hatchlings being able to "learn" to hunt smaller things is a good idea. Sub and Adult wouldnt be able to ge anything from small creatures like that though and that could be the balance for it

[covert birch]

Yes but that would be ai that is way to easy to hunt. Make ai actually difficult hunts. Like a juvi should be risking its life attacking a group of compys n such

[keen chasm]

if you look above you will see that i agree with adding smaller mammals that were part of that time as prey for velociraptors and troodon, but not things like wolves, deer, buffalo. that would be bad in my opinion.

prehistoric rodent mammals are too small for large predators to live off of so they would only be applicable for sustaining very small and fast carnivores that could catch enough to sustain themselves

it is also believed that dinosaurs like troodon hunted mammals for people who like a bit of realism

[covert birch]

@hot moat it was said pachy gonna break carno bones not rex bones

[hot moat]

Oh I couldn't remember if it was rex or not. But thank you! I'll correct it

[valid zephyr]

The reason herbis can't walk and sniff if people would use it to track down fleeing carnis and murder them.

carnis need to actively track prey on the move, which is why they get walking sniff.

[jovial moss]

Just remove dinosaur scent tracking for herbivores

I want to be able to walk and smell for bushes gdi

[dark hollow]

I have an idea : the ability for para to stun or make their eyesighr fuzzy by calling au carnis tu use it u would hold the roar button it would take à Few sec to charge ou and would make u out of breath after 1 use wharf do u think ?

[rare bramble]

I think you should put that in suggestions not suggestion discussion

[dark hollow]

Already dis

Did^

[empty dove]

@river wasp I can see that working, bit it’d have to be after sone time

[river wasp]

@empty dove do you refer to time within the game (as in how long it takes for virus to show effects) or in game development (as in it's only gonna be implemented after evrima release)

[empty dove]

In game

[river wasp]

hm, but usually apex kill quickly so then the virus would be useless

so the virus would prevent that apex come kill like every 5min

[empty dove]

Like, it’d show up after say 30mins of 3+ apexes in an area

[river wasp]

no that's too long

in that time they will diminish the whole herbi herd

[empty dove]

But remember that fights happen

[river wasp]

rarely

[tall creek]

That's why I posted my idea for limiting apexes to people who earn eggs through playing smaller carnivores

[river wasp]

again, in that example i brought, we had 6 different apex who all could've fought each other, instead they went after herbi nestlings

[empty dove]

Rarely sure, but it can’t happen instantly

[tall creek]

it makes it harder to earn an apex predator so less of them will be around

and, because they spent so much time on it, they're less likely to risk it kosing

[empty dove]

A server I usually play on has just locked apexes and apexes must be earned

[tall creek]

Well, this isn't a pay wall. This is a play wall

and built into the game. Though I imagine server owners would be able to mess with the amount of time you'd have to spend playing as smaller carnivores as they please

But I think if it's harder to get an apex not only does it solve most of the problem they create at the moment with apex overpopulation but it also encourages people to play the smaller carnivores.

Things that don't get enough love.

[river wasp]

i think it's not that apex need to be made rarer, i think they just have to be spread out more

so that they cannot constantly camp herbi groups

or that they'd have to fight each other for territory instead of going after hatchling herbis

[indigo sun]

well, that and they do need to be rarer

apexes are not a large portion of a proper ecosystem however in this game they make up a good amount of the ecosystem when really it's small creatures and herbivores that need to be more populous

[river wasp]

exactly, that's why i suggested the virus to make big populations of apex unattractive and smaller dinos more attractive

so with a virus, the more apex there are, the quicker there is a virus, and the less spread out they are, the more likely they're gonna catch the virus

[tall creek]

they'll be getting a thing in recode that makes playing them in large groups undesirable. That won't stop mass amounts of them logging in and going on rampages because they're bored/hungry from not enough food about

hence why they need to be made rarer and more difficult to get. It's meant to be top tier. As in top few percent. Not 50% of all players

You could actually make it so that, to get apex eggs built up, you have to spend time playing herbivores

[river wasp]

hm that last point sounds interesting

[tall creek]

that'd increase the available herbivores to hunt after all

since carnivores seem to be reluctant to eat anything else

[river wasp]

kinda like the original isle, where you have to play low tier to unlock top tier

but with playing herbi to unlock carni

that's sounds quite interesting

[tall creek]

Little bit of nostalgia in there for progression players, yes, but you're not "unlocking" it for play. You're unlocking ONE egg for each period of time spent playing

i.e. one life as that apex

if you die of old age you get another life to use for your new juvie and you can stack lives as you play smaller creatures

[covert birch]

@mental frigate a shirt with the deino skull logo was leaked already

[mental frigate]

yes but not a black hoodie

i specifically want a black hoddie

[covert birch]

Im sure hoodies will all have the same logos as shirts

[mental frigate]

well I can't be sure so I threw in a suggestion just to be safe

[marble cove]

@wicked bolt those are non-survival dinos and aren't playable, unless you play on unofficial servers and an admin injects you in as one

also, feedback isnt the place for questions, you should ask in #401464048610312195 next time

oh also, theyre available to play in some sandbox servers

[paper oriole]

Idk why some people make such a big deal against herbi walksniff (including somebody with herbirights in their name??) when there’s the easy solution of making it so they dont smell footprints while walksniffing. Theres no reason herbis should be inconvenienced with having to stop and use their long and usually loud as fuck sniff when carnis can walk and sniff in 2 seconds or less

[gritty helm]

imo quick/walk sniffing should only let you track food sources and maybe locate water as well meanwhile the only way to track footprints on top of food and water is to stop and do a normal sniff

[covert birch]

@potent sparrow there are 2 easy ways ya can know direction without sniffing. At night use the north star found in the night sky. Otherwise use the big ass gulf rock that exists

[potent sparrow]

lol still would be nice to have a compass, sometimes its too cloudy and you can't see the north star. also, server I go to uses Thenyaw

no big rock

[keen chasm]

i agree maplebox dinos would likely have a built in compass anyway like some birds do

[covert birch]

Also we seem to be getting some kinda map that we can open up. Prolly gonna be a compass there

[keen chasm]

yeah that would be nice since most people just look at maps on their phones anyway

[icy lion]

@barren zephyr i think thats pretty much tenonto

[barren zephyr]

Wdym

Tenonto is clearly a direct fighter as seen in the concept art

Maia in my image should be a f*ckin zebra

[ebon tiger]

zebras aren't exactly helpless either. there's a good number of vids of zebras fighting back against lions, or even actively chasing after predators like cheetahs

[barren zephyr]

zebras dont go around trampling preds they see with ease, most encounters end with them going with their prey instincts and fleeing anyways.
its not like maia

[ebon tiger]

zebras can and do kill smaller predators

sure, it's not every time they see them, but they're perfectly capable if they put their mind to it

[marble cove]

^

[strange wave]

@clever hinge beipiao not magy, magy aint semi aquatic

[clever hinge]

R u sure? I thought kissen said it was magy, though if I’m wrong I gotta change that

[strange wave]

beipiao is confirmed semi aquatic dont know what it is for magy

[covert birch]

@clever hinge
https://discordapp.com/channels/401464048610312193/401464048610312195/671604236982812713

[waxen cloak]

gliding...

maybe

[keen chasm]

@ebon tiger were you inspired by ballad of big al? When I read your suggestion i immediately thought of the mud trap in that movie. Also nice idea i think that would be really cool!

[ebon tiger]

believe it or not, no, but it could be good reference for it

[keen chasm]

yeah you should watch if you havent its a very good reference

[ebon tiger]

i have seen it, i just wasn't thinking of that when i wrote the suggestion

[keen chasm]

adding on to your suggestion i think that these traps should be invisible or not obvious so that they can actually get some players and that the longer you stay in the more stamina it will cost to get out

otherwise they might not be as deadly

[paper oriole]

inviisble wouldnt be really fair, it should trap players who arent being careful

like not noticable to those just running around carefree

[keen chasm]

yeah actually i agree maybe just not too obvious