Gulpy he only plays unofficials
#general-feedback-discussion
covert birch
ebon tiger
you know, i never actually specified you, i described how toxic hostile people are a minority amongst humans, but you know what? "if the shoe fits..."
covert birch
and no alt from what hes said so far
mighty marten
I play on probablt the most popular unofficial server right now.
mighty marten
And I refuse to play on official servers. When I first got the game a long time ago... the offical servers had no rules
mix packing everywhere
and I... just no
vestal rune
so why do you still not play them
mighty marten
though I will say its going downhill lately.
covert birch
Nycta rules are pretty trash
vestal rune
ye nycta is kinda bad imo, no alt turn and too many fucking rules
mighty marten
Nyctas rules have gotten worse and worse.
covert birch
Fear lists are horrid
mighty marten
Its not the many rules.
vestal rune
"fear list"
mighty marten
The new fear lists are terrible.
covert birch
Fear lists have always been bad
vestal rune
no, if you have to add fear lists at all then it's too many rules
viral creek
Hopefully actually good unofficials will pop up post rework
vestal rune
I loved TIL and rogue realism because you still had total freedom in how you react
viral creek
I cannot stand most unofficial servers atm
mighty marten
It is still probably the most popular unoffiical server and the owner is probably the one of the biggest content creators for the Isle
big revenue for sure
But If the recode is what you guys say.
Alot of these unofficials will die out.
covert birch
Nycta will prolly be one of the first
viral creek
Let the unofficials we have right now die out. I could care less
covert birch
Since lots of people aint gonna like no alt
viral creek
Let better ones rise up
mighty marten
When you lose your content creators and lose the revenue you make off of them. What happens?
mighty marten
Why do you think youtubers get early access?
because it helps the games make money
vestal rune
anthomnia is still gonna suck on the isle teet like it's nothing
mighty marten
You think/
mighty marten
It depends on how badly Dondi screws him over with the game future.
vestal rune
how will dondi "screw him over"??
he's not gonna intentionally hurt him for no reason
viral creek
Anthom will most likely always make isle content because making said content makes him more money than covering any other game
vestal rune
what actions will hurt anthomnia?
covert birch
Shrek ya still saying that making the game not a full on dino deathmatch gonna make people not play the game?
vestal rune
like, more admin tools and greater freedom in what the servers offer would surelly be better?
mighty marten
If Anths big server nycta dies off, you dont think that'll hurt Anth?
mighty marten
Again Blue. You fail to realize that people want actual PvP survival games.
viral creek
I could care less about anth. There are several other content creators with interest in the game.
mighty marten
Not AI hunting simulator
vestal rune
there'll still be plenty of PVP what?
viral creek
Anyways, on the original topic. There will be different servers to suit your playstyle.
vestal rune
I imagine most predators will still be PvP
mighty marten
Less people on the server means less PvP by far
covert birch
Well that was saying
mighty marten
Esp on hope
viral creek
If you want more pvp, go on a server with a higher player count and with less restrictions.
covert birch
what devs are saying
vestal rune
there won't be that many less people?
mighty marten
The game cannot handle alot of people Gulpy.
vestal rune
do you know that shrek?
mighty marten
And if Dondi lowers it even more that bar goes lower
viral creek
200 players is more than enough to fill up the new map.
vestal rune
stress testing hasn't been done yet
viral creek
Yes they can...
mighty marten
And hope is supposedly bigger?
vestal rune
we don't know how many people can fit on one server
covert birch
v3 would fill up if hotspots werent a thing
vestal rune
also 200 people can totally fill V3 lmao
vestal rune
idk what you're on about
mighty marten
No, 200 people cant.
vestal rune
yes they can
mighty marten
As it it doesn't right now
vestal rune
no
the reason it "doesn't right now" is because 50% of those people are hidden in some bush
vestal rune
the recode will encourage active behaviour, which'll lead to much more player contact
mighty marten
They would have to make it so AI actualyl spawns better as well then
covert birch
And hotspots supposedly being less usefull
mighty marten
because with 200 people, AI doesn't spawn very well
covert birch
Then map will fill
viral creek
Hear me out.
Hope has 2 main islands, one is v3 sized, one is thenyaw sized. The reason v3 feels so empty is because half of the pop is afking in bushes, or sitting on one part of the map because they have no incentive to move due to the ai spawns. It's not the map size, it's the player and ai.
By fixing the ai spawns, less people will be hiding in bushes to grow and be searching for food to grow making it easier to find players.
So 200 players is more than enough people to fill up hope with everything I said in mind
mighty marten
We'll see.
viral creek
Also game is going to be significantly more optimized post rework
vestal rune
I mean we'll see how many players 1 server can hold
mighty marten
That is something im looking forward to.
Supposedly Merch, from what Blue said... less people than it is now.
vestal rune
we could have 300 players as far as we know, that's what the stress testing will be for
no
vestal rune
blue was referring to devs wanting to have a higher portion of AI to people
viral creek
Devs don't control every server.
vestal rune
proportion*
mighty marten
No, but they control how many people the game can handle on a server
vestal rune
so if the number of overal entity increases, player numbers could stay the same
covert birch
they aint gonna force nonofficials to have less people
viral creek
Do you think the developers are going to intentionally make it so their servers can handle less people?
covert birch
I was referring to official there
mighty marten
No... but the GAME will bug out.
If they code the game so the player count for official servers are supported
The higher the count, the game bugs out
viral creek
Game bugs out right now because the codebase is terrible, reason we're having a recode in the first place.
mighty marten
Right now, AI doesn't spawn with higher counts of people
viral creek
Keyword: right now
mighty marten
Ok... Gulpy... again
viral creek
We're talking about the future.
mighty marten
If the devs are wanting less people.
They are going to code the game with that in mind
vestal rune
dude we don't even know how many people will be on the recode servers
there could be more
could be less
could be the same
we'll have to see once it actually come sout
mighty marten
DUde.... Blue said the devs want less people.
vestal rune
NO
viral creek
I don't think a developer would be idiotic enough to make it so their servers can support less players
vestal rune
oops caps
viral creek
Developers care less about unofficials.
vestal rune
no he said they wanted a higher PROPORTION of AI to players
mighty marten
Not really. Dondi does play on Nycta.
viral creek
Less players only applies to official servers
covert birch
both work
vestal rune
since AI has a similar load on the server as players
viral creek
Dondi plays on nycta because there's more people to mess with as a hyper on nycta.
vestal rune
so if the overal amount of entities that can be on the server increases, then the higher proportion of AI may not make a huge differences
viral creek
Anyways this conversation is stupid
covert birch
It has been for a while
viral creek
Developer isn't going to make it so servers cannot hold less players intentionally when it can do more. it's a terrible move. And the developers stated that unofficials will be able to modify their server settings to cater to the expirence they want.
mighty marten
If the devs want less people on their official servers, tehy are goign to code the game with that balance in mind.
vestal rune
have you listened to anything I said?
viral creek
Then don't play on officials if you don't want the low playercount...
vestal rune
the devs don't want less people on the fucking servers
vestal rune
no you aren't
mighty marten
No YOU aren't.
vestal rune
I'm literally explaining how you can't make assumptions because we don't how how the recode servers will be
mighty marten
If the Devs, are saying their GAME is not meant for HIGHER PEOPLE COUNT, why code it otherwise
vestal rune
they are gonna code it for a high player count wtf
viral creek
I hear you, i just don't understand what you're trying to say. Developers aren't going to hardcode a player limit on to the game for official servers only.
vestal rune
they want as many people as possible
mighty marten
Not according to what the devs said according to blue
mighty marten
@covert birch Did you not say that the devs want less people on their servers?
vestal rune
that's what the devs ACTUALLY said
viral creek
Keyword: their
mighty marten
BluedragonnyToday at 12:52 PM
Devs said that they want less people on the map
And more ai
covert birch
Shrek its called maybe i misunderstoof what the devs said
Also its their servers
officials servers
ebon tiger
i've been watching this conversation for a while now, and it's pretty obvious Shrek's convinced himself Dondi is deliberately shafting his own game, and nothing will convince him otherwise
mighty marten
LESS PEOPLE ON THE MAP
covert birch
Less people compared to ai
vestal rune
YOU'RE NOT FOCUSING ON THE SECOND BIT
vestal rune
it's literally what he said
mighty marten
less people on the map=less people on the server
vestal rune
and he was paraphrasing
mighty marten
Thats literally what it means
viral creek
Why is this even a convo
vestal rune
you have to understand, AI and players both take a load on the server
viral creek
When you can just find another server with a higher playercount
vestal rune
the devs are gonna make the amount of AI and players as HIGH as possible
viral creek
No I understand
mighty marten
If the game is CODED for a low amount of people, Higher people on a server will BREAK the game
viral creek
But it's not
vestal rune
however, they're probably gonna make proportionally more AI for a more regular experience
covert birch
Shrek look the devs arent gonna make the game hardcoded to support less players
viral creek
why did i add that
covert birch
Idk reactions randomly pop up sometimes
mighty marten
If a game is hardcoded to only handle 50 people for their offiical serves, the higher the population the more unstable the game becomes.
viral creek
Game is going to coded for as many people as they can handle. The official servers are going to have their settings adjusted for those servers to hold less players and more ai. Playercounts and ai spawns will be able to be ajusted.
vestal rune
Shrek oh my god
mighty marten
Servers=/=Game.
vestal rune
I've explained this to you 5 time
viral creek
I don't even know what this guy is trying to say anymore.
vestal rune
AI and players BOTH put a load on a server
covert birch
Shrek is tryin to say theyll hardcode the game to only work properly with less players
mighty marten
If thats what Dondi wants the game to be
viral creek
That's an idiotic idea.
mighty marten
Its what he'll make it
vestal rune
and the devs want to make the amount of entities on the server as HIGH as possible
covert birch
They wont do that
mighty marten
Thats the direction of the game hes heading in.
If what you are al lsaying is true
vestal rune
you don't understand what we're saying at all though
ebon tiger
from what gathered when i watched Dondi's steam, it seems they want less player-on-player fighting, so the focus is more on player-vs-AI, but servers will still get the freedoms to adjust that.
and odds are, even with limited player counts on servers, the game is going to be stress-tested to handle higher player counts
viral creek
I don't think he understands the concept of server settings. The entire game isn't going to be hardcoded around the official servers. Game is going to coded to hold as many players as possible. Just the official server settings will be adjusted to fit what Dondi wants.
vestal rune
he also doesn't understand that they want a higher PROPORTION of AI to players but the OVERALL amount of both could increase
we'll have to wait for stress-testing to see
ebon tiger
take MMOs for example. most servers for those can hold several hundred or even 1000 players. but when they test the servers, they are uncapped, and by all Asgard do they fill up like crazy.
the whole point of a stress-test is to see the limits, and then it gets adjusted accordingly
if a high AI and player count works well at the current 200 player cap, then they'll likely still use that. if it doesn't, then they'd lower the cap until it works
mighty marten
Alright, fine. I will give here and sday that if this is true, Servers can be adjusted to what the server owner wants. So if PvP is going to be a thing still, should PvP be balanced or should realism take the reins?
mighty marten
What exactly is balance though?
vestal rune
why would it not be balanced?
mighty marten
thats what im wondering what they are going to do
ebon tiger
they're balancing both realism and player interaction
vestal rune
balance is that EVERY animal is viable
ebon tiger
true, it's hard, but that's what they've said they're aiming for
mighty marten
We'll see. It'll come down to tiers and which dinosaur is the favored to win.
covert birch
Shrek are ya gonna say the whole. SPino is cant hunt other apexs so it aint balanced again
mighty marten
^ All Dinosaurs within their bracket should be able to kill one another.
Cerato vs Allo, utah vs Dilo Troodon vs...
uh... Who will troodon fight?
ebon tiger
Shrek the whole damn point is that one dino isn't favoured over the others too much
mighty marten
Isn't troodon really small?
covert birch
Yes kill it
mighty marten
😭
covert birch
And other stuff like minmi prolly
mighty marten
Anyways.
vestal rune
balance isn't based around combat
mighty marten
It is with PvP in mind
vestal rune
no
mighty marten
If the game is going to have PvP
vestal rune
PvP in this case is specifically player interaction
covert birch
Balance is based around surviving
mighty marten
it needs to be balanced with that in mind
covert birch
Not pvp
vestal rune
not necessarily combat
covert birch
SO if a dino can survive its balanced
vestal rune
balance should be around survival
mighty marten
Then once again, you'll have dinsoaurs going around being the King
King of the monsters.
GODZILLA.
mighty marten
People will ALWAYS gravitate to the strongest dinosaurs.
mighty marten
You obviously haven't played much on the server im on
covert birch
Spino aint gonna easily die to rex cuz itll slap it away
mighty marten
Rex is overplayed
vestal rune
no
mighty marten
because its the strongest
vestal rune
it's overplayed because it's a huge, powerful and fast creature
mighty marten
Correct, but I dont see the offiical servers right now being any different
covert birch
Server im on has people playin anky, herra
vestal rune
that's really fun to play
covert birch
A shitton of stuff
vestal rune
not because it's strong
by that logic no one should play utah
even though it's one of the most commonly play dinos
mighty marten
I guess its based on the server
ebon tiger
well, a lot of people do, that's true, but the point is it's meant to be uncommon, and the new system should reduce how many will play that way
mighty marten
^ That would be stupid to do because then people wont get to play their favortite dinosaur
covert birch
People will play any dino they want
mighty marten
If I like Spinosaurus alot, which I do, but its almost impossibel to play... then ill get really upset
ebon tiger
not everyone is a die-hard Apex fan
covert birch
diff dinos will be harder to grow
vestal rune
ye
covert birch
Like apexs will be super hard
mighty marten
Im not a die hard apex fan either.
mighty marten
I like Cerato, Spino, Giga, Acro, Alberto((Alberto please))
covert birch
And somethin like minmi will be easier
mighty marten
Velo is fun for memes
covert birch
Alberto is dondis fav
vestal rune
an adult apex should be an actual achivement you're proud of
covert birch
He said alberto gettin unique mechanic
thorny lynx
FEESH
covert birch
Ello fluff
thorny lynx
Big feesh.
mighty marten
And if you HAVE an apex, you should be able to fight with it within its tier. A spino SHOULD be able to kill a rex and vice versa based on skill.
vestal rune
eeeeh
vestal rune
I don't really think that
thorny lynx
No
covert birch
Its more. I dont wanna fight things my size
vestal rune
however if the rex can get past them, hte spino is dead
covert birch
But i will if i gotta
thorny lynx
Spino is defensive, not offensive. It will take a while to kill a completely healthy rex if said rex does not fuck your noodle nose up first.
mighty marten
Which isn't really balanced within PvP
Rex still sounds like King
That can do whtever he wants
to who he wants
vestal rune
Rex literally means king shrek lmao
mighty marten
Ooooh but Giga... if locational damage and bleed goes hand in hand...
Oooh Giga could fuck a rex up
bite its leg from an ambush and run
thorny lynx
Rex is bleed resistant.
mighty marten
...
verbal acorn
Looking at all those big ass fish, all I think about is how good they’d go fried in cornmeal
mighty marten
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vestal rune
yes, I imagine a skilled giga could probably kill a rex
thorny lynx
I believe Dondi aaid Rex would be able to handle bleed.
vestal rune
tbh I imagine a rex would have a slight advantage, as rex is designed to kill dinosaurs it's size while giga is more designed to kill large sauropods
mighty marten
Balance should ALWAYS take precedence over realism
vestal rune
that is true shrek
mighty marten
Thats not how people generally work
vestal rune
but you have a very simple view of balance
mighty marten
People want challenging fights
Otherwise, why is Dark SOuls 2 so popular...
Which I still cant beat lol
thorny lynx
Apex vs apex shouldn't even be happening if they are playing by their niches correctly.
Gigas won't hunt armored shit that rex does
mighty marten
People will still go out their way to purposely go for Apex vs Apex because its a fun challenge
covert birch
They will but they would harm themselves
mighty marten
Hunting things smaller than you is not a challenge
vestal rune
yes it is
vestal rune
also rexes will have alot of fun hunting things its size
thorny lynx
Smaller things will have much, much faster turn
vestal rune
like trikes, ankys, maybe stegos
thorny lynx
But they will annoy apexes at most
They will never kill apexes unless the player is REALLY shit
vestal rune
but attacking another apex carnivore for no reason is dumb
mighty marten
Realistically yes.
But when you havep eople in control of dinsaours
Realism is always out the window
vestal rune
no it's not
devout flower
is anky confirmed to be in the recode/future patches? i thought they were scrapping my precious moocow
verbal acorn
But realistic mechanics that use natural laws as it foundation will tend to inherently create balance. Simply put, everything has a cost and your internal currency to handle those costs are limited.
vestal rune
I'm not sure pander
mighty marten
@devout flower The true moocow is Carno.
covert birch
Shrek people will rather wanna preserve their apex. Instead of wanna bring it down to 4th just for an epic battle. Especially when it takes a longer time to grow now
@devout flower no
thorny lynx
Dondi said that if people believe that since Spino is bigger and taller means he will fuck up T-Rex, they don't know what is coming for them.
covert birch
It aint ocmin in recode but aint scrapped either
thorny lynx
Dondi said it himself. A good rex will most definitely kill a spino.
mighty marten
@thorny lynx If thats true, nothing will change.
devout flower
carno is a fat bear
and aww, hope anky winds up in there tho
vestal rune
Shrek
mighty marten
Rex will still be overplayed, overpopulated, and unbalanced.
vestal rune
no
mighty marten
Thats why I dont trust Dondi
covert birch
Rex will die easily when growing
vestal rune
that has nothing to do with BALANCE shrek
covert birch
Cuz it will be actually hard to grow
mighty marten
I dont see how Rex will die easily.
vestal rune
it has to do with rex being piss easy to grow
mighty marten
compared to other apex's
covert birch
They wont have spoon fed ai now
devout flower
lol that's a blanket statement, we don't know all the details and things will be subject to change even after release
vestal rune
THAT'S BAD
devout flower
calm down
covert birch
Dinosaurs shouldnt be piss easy to grow and they are fixing it
it will be actually difficult to grow them
Which is a good thing
vestal rune
that's a majour gameplay issue rn, apexes are just so easy to grow
covert birch
^
covert birch
Yes we know
vestal rune
yes in the CURRENT game
covert birch
and they are fixing that
devout flower
^
mighty marten
And then once again, we go back around to this. If all the apex's are hard to grow, why make it so Rex is the top dog?
What purpose is that
vestal rune
why not?
mighty marten
Balance.
devout flower
and again, even if it's an issue in the recode, it will be subject to change. the devs rly take peoples' opinions into account, they want their game to be enjoyable and plausible
vestal rune
because rex is an apex and you should be rewarded for being skilled?
mighty marten
@covert birch Is that a dead body or carrying a juvi/
covert birch
Dead
vestal rune
no he wants every dinosaur to be balanced
umbral prairie
just because rex beats the others doesn't mean they're less viable imo, rex can beat the others but they can be better at doing other things, spino has fishing, giga might just hunt easier or sth like that
vestal rune
yes he does
mighty marten
thats not balanced lmao
umbral prairie
they will figure something out for the others
mighty marten
If Balance means you can go around and fuck all the other apex's up
Thas not balance
devout flower
i love how people are arguing about this as if they know what Dondi thinks/feels
vestal rune
^
umbral prairie
balance doesn't mean everyone has equal chances in fights
mighty marten
Dondi has proven hismelf to be favored to the rex
mighty marten
Always had been
covert birch
Balance isnt only combat shrek
covert birch
A spino can prolly survive easier than rex since it can fish
devout flower
you sound super judgmental and i'm already bored of this, since it's clearly no longer about the suggestion lmfao
vestal rune
giga is better than rex though???
mighty marten
THEN WHY HAVE PVP AT ALL
umbral prairie
current bb is just shitty
covert birch
Cuz pvp isnt the only thing in the game
umbral prairie
giga is better at everything compared to rex
mighty marten
...
vestal rune
ye
umbral prairie
except fighting apexes
covert birch
No
mighty marten
If its not going to be balanced
vestal rune
it is going to be balanced
devout flower
vestal rune
no I said it WOULD be what?
mighty marten
Here we go agian.
vestal rune
you do realize that combat is a part of survival right?
mighty marten
If PvP is going to be balanced, All apex's should count each other properly and be equally based on skill
vestal rune
it's just not the ONLY part
mighty marten
counter*
cyan flame
Oh boy..
covert birch
PVP isnt the only thing within balance. PVP will be balanced to how well a dino survives fights not how well it does fight
cyan flame
Shrek, could you stop being focused on fighting in a survival game?
Do you not comprehend survival?
covert birch
A dino would rather want to run then fight
mighty marten
Rust. Dayz
cyan flame
Your goal is to live, not kill
mighty marten
Get rekt
covert birch
That aint how this will work
mighty marten
Once again, you are all contracdicting each other
cyan flame
They're not survival games, not by actual survival
covert birch
SInce ya dont have to grow for hours in those games
cyan flame
Lert me be clear, current "survival" genre is delusional
It does not work with what actual survival is
mighty marten
Let me be clear. If a game has MP, its going to have PvP
vestal rune
yes it is shrek
mighty marten
Dont be deluded
mighty marten
Ok then PvP should be balanced.
cyan flame
PvP = does not mean fightin
covert birch
What we are saying is
mighty marten
PvP does mean fights...
cyan flame
It means versus, but that can take many forms
vestal rune
no it doesn't
cyan flame
And survival = running away
vestal rune
PvP means player interaction
covert birch
PVP = fights but how players interact
mighty marten
Its literally the first thing that comes in when you think of PLayer vs Player.
mighty marten
PvP literally means. Player vs Player.
cyan flame
You survive
vestal rune
it's how players clash against each other
cyan flame
There's the balance
vestal rune
Shrek here's an example
mighty marten
Yea thats not going to happen.
covert birch
How players see other players
cyan flame
Yes, how they interact with each other
vestal rune
as a galli you could fight that utah runnig at you
covert birch
As a threat, as food,
vestal rune
or you could RUN AWAY
vestal rune
no combat involved as you escape, but it's balanced
mighty marten
Plus a bounce Mmmm
vestal rune
no galli will be faster
devout flower
what is this discussion actually about? LOL
mighty marten
OOOH Pounce on the back and bite the neck
vestal rune
I don't know
cyan flame
If the pounce misses :p
cyan flame
No but the spino could defend and keep the rex at bay
mighty marten
You also seem to lack basic understanding on how people work, what PvP actually means, etc.
covert birch
And that
mighty marten
Incorrect Erik.,
vestal rune
no I dont'
mighty marten
Thats not what everyones saying
even dondi has said in the clip
Rex is pretty much gonna fuck SPino upo
vestal rune
he also previously said that his arms will fuck up a rex
mighty marten
He's said many things
cyan flame
As in, if the rex comes close, make it back off, so the rex will eventually go "Eh, not worth it" perhaps
As long as you can survive, it's balanced
mighty marten
Lol if Rex is king.
devout flower
this is devolving from 'suggestion discussion' to 'let's shit on dondi and/or argue semantics over game terminology'
mighty marten
Rex will win
cyan flame
And yes.. the discussion is a bit .. offtopic, even if it does stem from his suggestion on apexes
vestal rune
ye
mighty marten
No. Im just not going to let you guys say that Rex should be an unstopppable monster
cyan flame
It's just that his idea of "PvP" balance is all about fighting/killing
mighty marten
because of rex fanboyism
devout flower
nobody said rex will be lmfao
cyan flame
Whereas the rest of us thinks of survival when it comes to balance
vestal rune
no one's saying that, now stop the discussion
cyan flame
Right now most things can escape the rex
mighty marten
Short for player versus player PVP is a type of video or computer gamesin which the in-game combat takes place between two human players (gamers) rather than a player and a computer controlled opponent.
devout flower
it's like you read everything and understand the opposite of what people are saying
cyan flame
And the ones that can't, have numbers advantage, and can still put up a good fight, I think trikes can do decently at least
mighty marten
The literally definition is Player vs player comat
ebon tiger
the only person who thinks Rex will be unstoppable seems to be Shrek
cyan flame
So, it's almost fine
Problem being that, that definition only counts "combat", or perhaps "combat without running away as an option" I guess
mighty marten
If Spino is unable to fight a rex properly.
night mountain
We all know rex is going to be the strongest apex in fights, I don’t like it but it’s gonna happen.
mighty marten
Spino is not balanced to the rex
^ Tentacle
Rex has ALWAYS been Dondis favorite
The current Rex is evidence of that
You dont think Dondi will play to favorites?
devout flower
this is exhausting lmfao good luck guys, i'm out
mighty marten
Ok... but they'll die
covert birch
And would rather avoid it
mighty marten
Thats liteerally not balance
cyan flame
It does not need to fight it, it needs to survive it
covert birch
Survival is whats important
mighty marten
PvP=/=Survival
covert birch
not pvp
mighty marten
Survival is not MP
cyan flame
And since the game is about survival, the point is to know when to not fight
covert birch
Survival is mp
mighty marten
No its not.
cyan flame
Survival can be multiplayer or singleplayer
mighty marten
Not PvP multiplayer
ebon tiger
you know what i do think? Shrek just doesn't like Dondi.
so far, Shrek's bounced between suggesting Dondi plays favourites to suggesting Dondi's fucking his own game up
mighty marten
Survival is always a singlepalyer or co-operative game.
cyan flame
Multiplayer/singleplayer has very little to do with survival
mighty marten
Green Hell is an amazing example.
cyan flame
I do
mighty marten
Humans want to win.
mighty marten
Humans will ALWAYS gravtitate to the strongest dinosaur
cyan flame
It's a "ongoing" process
vestal rune
guys stop talking to him
cyan flame
It doesn't matter, and they won't if the game doesn't pander to fighting
mighty marten
Then why include PvP at all
cyan flame
Since it doesn't matter if you're the strongest, if you're not about fighting in the first place
mighty marten
Again, whats the actual point
vestal rune
it's a huge waste of time, we have better things to do with out time
cyan flame
Maybe there is no "PvP", not the way you see it
There is however multiplayer, and hunting
ebon tiger
i know far too much about how humans work, Shrek. both irl and in games
cyan flame
?
mighty marten
Then Gothic, you would understand why I said PvP is going to be a big thing regardless
cyan flame
What part of, if the spino can survive, it's fine, do you not get? It's fine if a rex can catch and kill a spino, if a spino can avoid getting caught and killed in the first place
ebon tiger
yes, but you can't grasp that not everyone wants "Jurassic Fight Club"
cyan flame
But it isn't ai hunting simulator
mighty marten
That CAN be acheived
cyan flame
That would be The hunter: Primal I think :p
ebon tiger
you seem to think that everyone is gonna spend their time doing nothing but fighting
cyan flame
I want a game where my focus is on me staying alive
Not a game where my focus is on killing others
That doesn't mean I'm opposed to hunting and fighting/killing others, but I want that to A, be done out of neccesity, and B, be done in a smart way
mighty marten
You dont think a player playing the top dog Rex, isn't going to go pat his kill card by killing otehr apex's?
cyan flame
Such as proper ambush, such as choosing proper, weak, targets, and so on
mighty marten
Thats not going to be how people will play this game.
cyan flame
I want to be rewarded for playing smart
mighty marten
It might not be how Dondi WANTS the game to be, but he seems to forget how peopel actually are.
cyan flame
For focusing on conserving my resources, and so on
But then those people won't play the game Shrek
They'll find something else, if they don't like what the Isle turns into
vestal rune
or they'll go on deathmatch servers lol
cyan flame
Or that yes
cyan flame
But there's no need
vestal rune
like seriously shrek, if people just wanted to fight they'd go on deathmatch servers
mighty marten
instead of actually having both players be happy
barren zephyr
holy is this still going
cyan flame
And no point if the game is to be survival
covert birch
yep mio
vestal rune
yes mio
barren zephyr
christ
cyan flame
Sorry Mio, I read through it all, I regret joining in I think xD
mighty marten
Erik.... you can easily balance out Survival and PvP. Its been done.
mighty marten
Rust. Dayz. Uh....
cyan flame
Yeh
mighty marten
Shit. I actually dont know any other games of that genre
cyan flame
They're not survival
mighty marten
Dayz is.
cyan flame
Hardly
mighty marten
You have to handle food, water, etc
vestal rune
how are they not survival?
cyan flame
Yes, but not survival mentality
Fine, technically they are, but the mentality is not there
cyan flame
It will
vestal rune
yes it fucking will what?
mighty marten
Thats literally not going to happe
cyan flame
If you balance it for it
vestal rune
it will
devout flower
this person is clearly being deliberately obtuse so that their point is always right and everyone else is wrong, should just let it die and stop spamming this chat which i like to have unmuted for interesting and necessary discussions
cyan flame
And you make people care about themselves and how they handle things
Such as how Why Watts document showed
And other similar ideas
mighty marten
So pvP will not be balanced at all is what im hearing.
Thats what I wanted to know from this community
cyan flame
Alright, I guess you've been here longer than I have, maybe you're right
mighty marten
Lol.
vestal rune
oh damn I love that gar
mighty marten
Im clearly a troll because I understand how people and PvP works. eyeroll
ebon tiger
no we're just done with you because you're switching up your stance to be consistently in the right
mighty marten
Ive never once swapped my stance.
Ive always been in the stance that PvP should be balanced. Rex should not be stronger than a Giga or a Spino or a Deinosuchus
PvP has always been Player VERSUS Player. I do not know any game where a PvP game is about... running away from another player. Ark not included if someones riding a giga and the other is riding ar ex lol
cyan flame
So maybe we should stop thinking about PvP in that manner then, since that does not seem like what the game might be going for.
indigo sun
Erik and Gothic, dont even bother with this dude
ebon tiger
ARK Giga-v-Rex is a poor comparison. tamed Gigas in ARK get nerfed to hell
covert birch
Looks shrek. Player vs player is combat between players. COmbat entails 3 things. Offense, Defense, Retreating
mighty marten
Yea but the same level of Giga vs a same level rex, Giga is infinitely stronger.
vestal rune
guys stop
mighty marten
What PvP game includes running away from your opponent and never actually fighting back lol
covert birch
Cuz people in real wars have something called retreating'
vestal rune
lmao every one?
devout flower
mighty marten
Then why include PvP at ALL if its just going tobe one sided.
vestal rune
cheefii don't join in lol
devout flower
getting back to the dang suggestions lmfao, i rly like the idea of a drive-by head rip, though i think it'd need to be refined so that the victim has a chance to avoid or escape the potential damage
night mountain
Apexes should be Rock Paper Scissors 
vestal rune
tbh if spino is good against giga that may be the case lmao
winter cove
i honestly genuinely like the idea of 'execution' style attacks so that head rip sounds metal af
vestal rune
ye that reminds me of that 1 picture with the rex ripping off a trike' beak
mighty marten
So Spino defeats giga, Rex defeats spino and Giga defeats rex?
OOOOH
TRIKE impaling as an execution
mighty marten
Or a anky whacks the ankle of a trex, trips it then slams his tail into the rex head
yes plz
Or a Stego just does a brain labotomy on a trex
night mountain
Make spino kill Rex with the exact jp3 animation 
mighty marten
Nah
Well...
yes
Ok I am ok with that.
Rex should get a neck bite animation and then SHAKES HIS HEAD.
Like a dog does with a chew toy
shreds that neck
covert birch
nah rex should get a grapple with its mouth then press down
and that applies bb
not just a regular bite
mighty marten
No no for the execution blue
covert birch
that for execution yes
mighty marten
oh.... but its not flashy
😦
lol
Hmm. Gigas kill animation should just be it biting like an artery of the dinosaur and it bleeds out
covert birch
Brachi just steppin on somethin for its execution
mighty marten
Like a giga bites the jugular, rips and walks away
covert birch
Remember executions should only be like final hit moves tho so
vestal rune
you can't have a bleed execution lmao
mighty marten
WHY NOT
vestal rune
ruins the point of an execution
covert birch
there ya go
mighty marten
And if your execution goes through
the dinosaur has to roar
regardless of herbi or carni
mighty marten
Hmmm. Fair.
I think if you're a trex
and you ambush say... An allo from behind
It should be an instant kill animatin
An AI rex comes up behind your Allo....
covert birch
nah cuz i doubt rexs will be ambushin allos much
mighty marten
THAT would be fun
covert birch
Since allo seemed to live in the grasslands which aint got much cover
at least in hope video
mighty marten
Yea but you get my point
if rex ambushes something that is laying down or something
instant kill animation
severe atlas
REX GON' GIVIT TO YA
mighty marten
THAT would be a good survival thing
night mountain
Rex should just not have bb anymore.
mighty marten
Disagree
All dinosaurs should have access to breaking bones. Breaking arms, breaking tails for controlling movement esp when sprinting, and breaking legs.
Rex and the other Tyranosaurids should have a higher chance of doing it.
Anky should also have a high chance of doing it
torn thistle
There's been some animation stuff for baby carrying shown in the past
vestal rune
the problem with baby carrying is that it kinda removes some of the challenge with raising babies, which is why it's inclusion in the game has always been questionable
also there's the issue that not every dino would look good carrying babies lol
trim flume
@clever hinge day of dragons is just overpriced, I'm not saying that the isle isn't worth more. I would pay 100 dollars to play it but 40 dollars is a bit too much let alone 60, but 30 I would say is a fair price.
covert birch
@verbal bone This was said about baby carrying
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/667492043236442114/20200116_184358.png
trim flume
Well at least they're making juvies faster, so I guess it's ok
empty dove
@clever hinge I see where you’re going with this, it sure could be a $30-40 game
But $60??
Sure it’s amazing and there’s no in game buyables
night mountain
Killing animations are confirmed
mighty marten
I really hope they are amazing
Like really really good
Like we need a cinematic thing for only the two players
and your pack if you're there
😄
clever hinge
60$ could be a lil high, but I know I would pay that if I were a new player, and I think it’s definitely better than a 20$ dollar game
indigo sun
I'd say $30 post recode after all the stuff is properly implemented again and then when the human aspect gets added, the price raises, with something around $60 being the price for the finished game
empty dove
yeah
but yeah they good definetely make a lot of money from this game without it being overpriced
mighty marten
If the recode was really good, I would pay 60.
But its too early to tell anything.
indigo sun
Recode isnt worth $60. It's a lot of really good work being put in but $60 is what you would charge for a full game, which the recode is not.
grim oak
Will people who already own the game have to pay again
mighty marten
I hope we get natural disasters. I would love for a map to have a central volcano... and it can erupt at any time and the lava flow can be randomized too... Or heat waves where water is super needed... or droughts were the lakes and rivers start to dry up.
And other things.
indigo sun
New thenyaw has a big volcano
mighty marten
thats good
knotty spindle
about the head ripping suggestions, i meant for it to be more of a locational damage + speed kind of thing, where only dinosaurs that would be insta-killed from a bite to the head from a larger dinosaur going at a fast enough speed would have it's head ripped off :D
rapid star
I think it would be unwise to charge a full 60. That implies it's like a fully polished AAA title and it isn't. It would unnecessarily increase unrealistic expectations for the experience. 30 or 40 would be very reasonable.
indigo sun
$60 would only be for a fully finished and polished game
30 or 40 is for when they actually start adding the stuff they've wanted to add for forever after the recode
finite elm
Love the idea of some swamps having thick algea that conceal movements of swimmers that are going really slowly. Of course itd have to be near snail pace. Move to fast and it creates a ton of ripples
Perhaps that snails pace could work like the deinos ambush mode and instead of a big sprint they get a massive lunge from out the water that grapples and pulls prey into the water. Deeper drag into the water the smaller the prey. And if its really small it would be an insta kill
Makes me curious tho for their prey. Will AI dinos be given a need to drink? Or will crocs only have AI fish to consume?
mighty marten
I would like to see a large vairety of AI. From Trikes, to Gallis, from Dilos to Trex's. I'd love to experience a good survival game if the AI was smart and actually felt... well solid. Imagine playing as a Spinosaurus or a Deino in a swamp/marsh, and a Trex decides to push its luck and enters your territory. What do you do? Do you fight for your home or do you run away to find a new one? Make it your own story and such.
grand ravine
You could literally have that same interaction but probably better with the player dinosaurs
glad dirge
mighty marten
Yea, but Dondi is pushing towards a more AI experience Greek
so thats why im saying if the AI was actually quality, im 100% for DOndis direction
amber umbra
I want it optional. Like don’t entirely remove multiplayer
I like being around players and hunting ai XD
mighty marten
I just want the game to be really good and the dinosaurs to play well, and not in the current state the dinosaurs are in right now. I hope the devs make this game great again
finite elm
Theres plenty of predators around from players. I like more AI dinos but they should mostly if not all herbs.
night mountain
It all depends on how good the ai is
Could be really cool
Or pure cancer with shit like ai gigas launching out of the woods assriding you with inhuman precision like velos do
verbal acorn
Prestosuchus would be awesome. The Rex of small and small mediums. Relatively slow trot, moderate sprint, but a blazing ambush if we still have ambush after the recode. If ambush is removed, give it a blazing sprint, but short endurance.
It would have a slow hunger drain due to a conservation oriented metabolism, hence the slow movement outside of ambushing.
mighty marten
If we are going to have AI, I would like both Carnivores and herbis. i dont trust humans to actually make the game fun. As it is, Humans graviate to only a couple Carnis. I rather not see a server full of rex's.
Good Carnivore AI sounds amazing
paper oriole
they could put the unused animals like carchardontosaurus and dakotaraptor as AI that varies slightly from the playable dinos instead of throwing rex AI at us to stack ontop of the rex players
cobalt compass
i just was witness of an ai that was either starving or dehydrating yesterday. so i assume they have the same needs as players but not script to satisfy the thirst, atleast the velo sate its hunger
hexed mica
They also go drown themselves if they bug out.. or you have two players on different sides of a pound and force them into it.
still temple
simple coral
@lethal ruin you've added some nice new touches to the idea of egg stealing such as babies getting too big to steal, but I'm pretty sure they are going to if not already work on egg stealing for dinosaurs such as oviraptor
ebon tiger
@simple coral the Oviraptor only got its name because of a misconception when it was discovered
simple coral
Yes but compare the beak to modern day omnivorous birds
ebon tiger
the first Oviraptor was found sprawled over a nest, and the assumption back then was that dinosaurs didn't care for their young, so they thought it was stealing the eggs, but in reality, it was nesting its own eggs.
that's where the name comes from
it is very likely an omnivore. a related species was found with lizard bones in its stomach, and the prongs on the palette are believed to have been used to crack shellish, which were also found in the area
so that opens up a wide variety of food options
covert birch
Oviraptor is already confirmed to be an omni Present
simple coral
Last I checked it was a carnivore but if it's changed then that's cool. Thank you
covert birch
If ya check pins in #401464048610312195 and scroll down a bit you'll find a list with all new dinos. On that list under omni is ovi
hidden frost
Me no wana spend 5$. Me no wana support the company and also get something cool out of it. >:/
coarse thicket
More like, there’s no reason to lock color options behind a paywall. Especially not for 5 dollars, which, by the way, is quite overpriced for minimal cosmetics.
hidden frost
Who said it'd only be a few colors. And if it's an extra way to support the project I dont see why not.
barren zephyr
Isn’t the game price increasing?
hidden frost
if it is i'll rebuy it. Love this game to death, i'll gladly put money into it
mighty marten
@paper oriole I disagree. I think stacking AI Rex's on top of players adds to the experience. Gneally, a player is better than a computer. So, if you're a Spinosaurus and you are living in a swamp or a marsh. You see a Trex enter the territory. If you know its a player, chances are... you def dont wanna fight back because IMO Rex is gonna be broken again. But even so, it'll not be a good fight for you maybe. So you probably will leave. If its an AI and you know it, you'd attack. If a rex could be either or... now you have a big choice and I think that plays into the survivla aspect 😄
barren zephyr
@hidden frost Dondi also said they are doing well on the money side of things
little tendon
becuse they had faith.
(read dead redemption 2 joke if u dont get it)
indigo sun
@kindred mango that's planned to come at some point in the future.
covert birch
@pulsar lake may i add on to your suggestion?
pulsar lake
Yes you can @covert birch
covert birch
alright thx
paper oriole
My main gripe on the rex AI isnt its strength as much as it is how boring it is to just see another rex, it would be more interesting to see another type of dino instead as AI since rex is already popular as a player dino
mighty marten
They need to cap how many rex's are on the server. We're all tired of seeing the bazillion rex's infesting servers.
feral sedge
that will be done naturally through difficulty
mighty marten
We'll see.
But either way, we need plenty of different AI's
All dinosaurs should be AI and playable
Tht way we have to guess which dinosaur we're hunting is going to be a player or an AI
and have to survive accordingly
if we KNOW what is what, then its not going to be as fun.
mighty marten
.... I just thought of something awesome. AI dinosaur familys. Like a Cerato family nesting and you see baby Ceratos running around. YEEEEES.
And the AI is more aggressive to defend their young!
So when they have their young neraby, their Aggression levels go to the max. 😄
paper oriole
I don't think the feathers should be locked behind some hard achievement but things like albinism could be behind the old cannibalism mutation which would be neat
kill and eat a large number of your own species and you'll unlock albino colours including the red eyes
mortal basin
^ that actually sounds kinda cool. stay away from albinos cause they're cannibals.
covert birch
@paper oriole i made albinism a unlockable with achives b/c not only is the whole cannibalize your species easily abusable (eat your friends) and that when dondi said it was shut down by the other devs. Also that would make albinism less rare which is what i wanted to personally avoid.
paper oriole
also i think tarbosaurus, despite the rex clone meme, would make a better albertosaurus alternate skin since its more closely sized (8 and 10 meters)
maybe there could be a way around exploits such as not counting the same steam account more than once for the achievement and not counting steam friends
so killing the same handful of people on repeat wouldn't further your progress
covert birch
For the whole killing same person with steam id is a good idea only issue i see it what about small pop servers
paper oriole
it would count across the whole game probably
covert birch
People wont be able to really unlokc those kinda things
paper oriole
like you could play on multiple servers, but maybe it would only stack up per each dino species
covert birch
Maybe make it across all species. No repeat on steam ids. But make the number very high
paper oriole
either way could work yeah
covert birch
Like kill and eat 200 of your own species. Unlock : Ablino skins
paper oriole
yeah that'd be good
covert birch
Just changed it
paper oriole
not sure how something like melanism would be unlockable though, the playtime achievements sound good for subspecies skins though
covert birch
Melanism could be somethin rare from nesting maybe
paper oriole
yeah maybe
covert birch
So ya have 3 diff ways to get 3 special appearences
mighty marten
....
Ok so another idea we could do.
Instead of growing as a Juvi, when you select your dinosaur, you start your hatching from an egg and pop out.
Get a nice cinematic of your dinosaur hatching out of an egg.
And then you have to grow
mighty marten
Interesting.
mighty marten
Eh maybe. I rather the egg thing personally. Would be more... hmm. real.
covert birch
I feel like airdropping would fit with the lore a bit more since htey are plannin on buildin that at some point
mighty marten
I suppose so.
I hope they do wipes of everyones dinos when they start putting in the other dinosaurs.
So we dont have utah raptors just murdering babies.
covert birch
I doubt thatll happen since the utah community will prolly just find another location to safely sit at
mighty marten
I really dont see the Utahs not being juvi murdererers.
But again, its only fair things are wiped when new dinosaurs are brought in to grow
dense dew
Well yeah cause there’s not going to be apexes on launch, so why should those who already have apexes be allowed to keep them and dominate everyone?
mighty marten
Thats not what I meant
I meant when the recode lunaches, utahs and troodons should be wiped every time they update the game for the next dinosaur batch to enter
is what I meant
Im assuming that Allos and Ceratos are after teh Utahs and Dilos, and then the apex's
dense shuttle
@covert hull kentro is already getting added in recode
indigo sun
@drowsy sluice not a suggestion.
covert birch
@daring cosmos talk about suggestions in here. Not in the suggestion channel
@pine sparrow talk about suggestions in this channel
daring cosmos
godamn that's awkard, but whatever
@pine sparrow yeah I just noticed, now I'd say that's significantly better than what the devs produced
pine sparrow
covert birch
np
daring cosmos
Anyway @icy lion I would disagree, I think the new dewlap looks really overdone and silly, like something todd marshall would paint, though I can live with it if it's like an anole and it only comes out ocasionaly in idle animations or roaring and such
covert birch
Personally i like the new dewlap. Makes herra look iguana like'
Plus i doubt it will be extended like that when its actually animated
Prolly look somethin like this when just bein a quiet herra
and then extend out whenever it calls
daring cosmos
yeah I can live with that, but I maintin the more reduced version is a lot better and more aesthetic
covert birch
also personally idm what the mouth/teet look like since ya will just be lookin at the dinos back a majority of the time
daring cosmos
well at that point why not just reuse the models or redothem if you're not even gonna get them right?
covert birch
They aint gonna reuse the herra model since i think its TSL
That also applies to all other things
daring cosmos
no I meant just use the compy and troodon model again since they're so very similar
covert birch
There is a diff between wanting higher quality models then wanting old unused ones
daring cosmos
also I'd strongly argue vlad's old model I think is superior to the new one even if it looks less detailed
daring cosmos
I think you're confusing compys with velos
daring cosmos
oh well I wasn't even tangentially reffering to thos, but the old one looks better I'd say even if it's kinda hard to compare them cause one has the face cut off while the other has its body cut off
looks closer to the real deal and doesn't have any JP eyebrow ridges, though I don't really care about compy
covert birch
hell compy we aint gonna be properly seeing since its so small. Lets get back to herra
Anyways i feel like the neck stuff is a cool thin overall (except the giggle in the spino run)
daring cosmos
my point was that troodon and compy look way to similar when they're both very different looking irl and it feels redundant + I think it these new models look way too much like something from JW
minor basalt
The dewlap looks good
It'll probably be folded against the neck most of the time anyway
covert birch
So your just sayin ya dont like their models cuz they look similar copper?
troodon and compy that is
minor basalt
And flare out during the 3 call or something
covert birch
dondi said the dewlap will do that'