See the problem with fictional species
#general-feedback-discussion
visual urchin
I highly doubt the dev team would produce something like the nyctatyrannus. That is the quintessential deviantart dinosaur oc
valid zephyr
And at that point why bother having real animals at all when you can just make an ideal made up dino to fill any role better than the real counterpart could?
mental sleet
Because they have the choice to ?
The game is no different with only having real species, having a mix, or being fully fictional.
I do wish they broke some rules in order to make certain animals better, but it is not a problem whatsoever.
valid zephyr
I mean there are a couple of large therapods which arn't rex/giga clones, but I get the feeling it's not what is being asked for.
night mountain
Another apex would be fine if it was like, in the ocean or something weird
valid zephyr
7 ton therapod dinosaur, but something tells me this isn't the answer being sought after.
steady cosmos
ew
night mountain
Yes deino would be rad
I extremely don’t want another “it’s a Rex but look it’s head shape is slightly different!”
Give us more real variety
valid zephyr
Another 5 ton therapod which isn't a rex or giga clone, but it's a herbivore...
night mountain
We already have rex/giga/Alberto/acro
night mountain
Please devs for the love of pela
barren zephyr
5th theropod?
night mountain
Dibble it and make them like 4x as big
valid zephyr
acro would be closest to what's being asked for imo.
valid zephyr
Acro could work as a good large therapod without having to make an animal up.
barren zephyr
yupp
true. why make a fictional dino when you can just take an existing one lol
upper pumice
will alberto every be playable tho
visual urchin
Because creative and terrifying creature design can be extremely rewarding of course 😎
valid zephyr
I hope so. Now sub rex can't stay as sub, alberto can take it's place for all the sub rex mains.
simple maple
Alberto will probably fill the role that "Sub Rex Mains" fill now. A decently fast high damage mid-weight
*Only noticed someone already wrote that as I finished typing
blazing charm
@barren zephyr What kind of mechanics or unique gimmicks would it offer? Other than being a smaller version of Deinosuchus that can't drag large prey into the water?
soft roost
sucho being a terrestrial fisher and diplo could be aquatic fisher*
soft roost
cant really think of anything other than it would be an interesting ai potentially acting as a dieno but like you said we already have dieno coming
barren zephyr
say a carno, was taking a sip of water, the diplocaulus could bite its nose, and make the carno come into the water, but it realises it swimmes away, or say it could feed on smaller juvs that invade its pond or its property., bite its nose and drag it into the water, and feast on it or drag it to shore, and it could been in groups of 4-5 to take on large prey like utahs, or dibbles/ava that takes a sip of water, or scare away baries or utahs, by sourrounding it, but not apexs like gigas or rexs etc
lament thorn
so its a worse deino?
oblique sluice
and even then, diplo is like the size of a psittaco or smaller
its a worse juvi deino
barren zephyr
its bigger then a taco
barren zephyr
by 1.1 feet or 2 feet
indigo sun
Thats not that much of a difference
It's not gonna do anything to anything except like, juvi ptera or hypsi
barren zephyr
koolasuchus looks like a deino, but has a round type of face, and its overrated
it could eat juv utahs juv rexs anything thats juv if it has a big enough group or sub utah
oblique sluice
at least koolasuchus could do something
indigo sun
Koola would be able to actually kill things
Oh that reminds me i think i had some sort of document for koola. I ought to finish that
barren zephyr
they wouldnt take a round ass deino, they would think its another alligator
indigo sun
They would think its another alligator unless you prove how it isnt and show how it could be unique. Yknow, just takes like 5 minutes of effort
lilac swallow
Using overrated as a valid point 
barren zephyr
almost same size, same taste, and other things to
but diplo was smaller, and it was faster, and more accurate
indigo sun
Actually im pretty sure koola's significantly smaller than deinosuchus to where they wont be hunting the same thing but it can still, yknow, actually kill more than literally two things. It wont rely on brute force and grappling the way deino does. It'd be a shore hunter, not a water hunter, and it could bury itself in mud to lie in wait for prey.
Why bother explaining further, you'll see in the document
oblique sluice
again, diplo is cool but also too small
barren zephyr
for once i actually want something adorable in this game
indigo sun
Its a cool animal but its literally useless
Theres being small and then theres being so small that every juvi beyond like, dryo and hypsi would take it down
barren zephyr
they legit only except medium dinos as playable, maybe it could be an ai or some shit
indigo sun
@restive canyon they've said no to walking backwards already
barren zephyr
sign
restive canyon
I did not see that said, was it a live stream or am i just really late the party lol
barren zephyr
only medium and higher dinos are relevant, everything smaller is just "easy or "useless" 
barren zephyr
maybe in the future, but an ai on shore as well
oblique sluice
and about ''only medium and higher dinos are relevant'', let me remind you there are 14 creatures smaller than cerato coming
indigo sun
It was said during a discussion that they wouldnt want to add walking backwards due to issues with controls
last heath
on the walking backwards stuff.
I want it. cuz I dont mind giving dinos a reverse gear. but devs said no. so no it is
oblique sluice
@indigo sun I like the hiding in mud thingy, maybe could also make like a dryo burrow but more how crocs use pantries for store food
indigo sun
ooh thatd be kinda neat
valid zephyr
Yep i'd like optional feathered skins for dinos like utah. But also keep the scaled options for people wanting them.
Would add visual diversity, and allows gang wars between scaled and feathered utahs.
indigo sun
@cosmic lake a feathered deinosuchus?
barren zephyr
feathered deinosuchus 
indigo sun
??????
cosmic lake
Yup
indigo sun
You know that literally no alligator has feathers right?
cosmic lake
I just want to see it
indigo sun
Then mod it in
cosmic lake
Look it's just a gag suggestion
indigo sun
Joke suggestions arent really allowed
cosmic lake
Didn't see any rules about it but sorry for that
indigo sun
We probably ought to have someone pin a message about that in #general-feedback
cosmic lake
Don't see any harm in having a little fun every now and then
last heath
devs dont want their time wasted in reading joke suggestions, I think
indigo sun
Also clogs up the channel and distracts from serious suggestion
cosmic lake
Fair enough
jovial ridge
Deinosuchos in a reptile not a duck
still raptor
deino means terrible and suchus means croc
tell me why a fucking croc or an alligator will have feathers
doesnt make since
narrow ingot
I honestly think Megapirahna would be a better choice as a scavenger then diplocaulus tbh
barren zephyr
mega piranha is underwater and diplo is a semi aquatic fisher
they have their ways
suppose they can add both
but piranha lives in swamps
suppose diplocaulus could be an ai on river grounds or ponds, but piranha could be in swamps
blazing charm
Pirhanas are cool and all, but good god that would be such a shitty thing to die from.
slow stream
why not have diplocaulus take over both swamps and rivers
and be potential preys to piranhas
blazing charm
Also I still don't get how Diplocaulus is viable, maybe perfectly fine AI but I don't see how it could offer anything unique.
slow stream
like velos with oro and tacos, we gotta have smth in swamps
piranhas with diplocaulus
atleast the water aren't uhh
barren zephyr
diplo would just fish it out
slow stream
as boring
blazing charm
Alright so, you ARE suggesting as AI?
slow stream
yeh
night mountain
Feathered megapiranha
slow stream
shut up
blazing charm
Well then I don't really care or mind.
barren zephyr
its really cool
blazing charm
I just thought it was dumb to have a tiny little Diplo as a playable.
slow stream
velos are the shittiest way to die to anyways
along with utahs assriding uhh
stegos stabbing ya cloaca
what else...
barren zephyr
maybe diplocaulus was one of them and i was wasting time
blazing charm
Diplocaulus hasn't been confirmed.
barren zephyr
are some playable or just all ai
barren zephyr
mk
narrow ingot
Dying from one would be shitty ..but I did say that they would dispatch if you got to close to them as an ex. spino, sucho..anything way bigger than itself
barren zephyr
swamps would be much deadlier, as if nobody would go there lmao
the whole family is there
u got dilos on land piranhas in water, suchos as threats
blazing charm
Considering swamps are probably going to be prime Deionosuchus turf, it seems like a double-edged sword to add giant pirhanas.
barren zephyr
piranhas would be easy meal for deino, unless if they were in groups
blazing charm
Okay, and what are Pirhanas famous for doing?
barren zephyr
eating your balls off
blazing charm
Hunting in groups.
Point is, swamps should be dangerous, yes. But not to the point where you get shredded to pieces in seconds, by something you probably had no chance of spotting.
barren zephyr
yea
narrow ingot
Also in my idea I mentioned that they only attack small dinosaurs( like dryo size or smaller) if they were to go into that area bleeding/wounded and stayed for too long in the waters but wasn't sure if that was good for gameplay
blazing charm
@indigo sun Also, been wanting to reply to your suggestion for awhile now. Granted I think I was the one who originally told you about the mud digging idea, or maybe we just both happened to have the same idea. But I honestly feel like it seems a bit unfair towards prey items, granted yes Koolasuchus would be a pretty squishy animal, being able to hide perfectly or even just very well in mud is just gonna lead to really cheap deaths as a Juvie or small critter, because you couldn't see the giant amphibian
Just my initial thoughts on it.
keen trail
what did ducks do to you guys? no one likes ducks? be ashamed.
blazing charm
....Ducks? What?
keen trail
from my suggestion
blazing charm
@rotund violet Just tagging ya here because #401481402782056460 isn't the place to suggest creatures, you wanna go to #general-feedback
keen trail
14 people said "NO" to ducks in The Isle, and it makes me sad
blazing charm
That's probably in reference to Deinocheirus.
keen trail
i didnt reference it, i just really want ducks to float around in ponds and be lil happy quacky bois
blazing charm
No, I am not saying you did.
keen trail
oh
blazing charm
I am saying, it was probably taken as that, but also ducks are pretty stupid ngl.
keen trail
: (
last heath
@rotund violet you made a suggestion on the #401481402782056460 chat. its supposed to be on the #general-feedback
rotund violet
Kingjaffad OK I toggle it?
rotund violet
Kachow?
keen trail
Upyron?
blazing charm
@rotund violet I'm just saying that if you wanna suggest something, you wanna post it in #general-feedback
rotund violet
OK I eliminated that post
keen trail
elimated
blazing charm
So, since Upyron was trying to suggest it
Deinocheirus, since that thing keeps popping up all the time lately.
digital nest
rotund violet
So Deinocheirus is suggested lately? Have been?
blazing charm
It's been suggested quite a bit, alot of people seem to want it.
indigo sun
Ah shit sorry jaffad ive been watching ducktales, didnt check discord til now
blazing charm
All good Nines.
blazing charm
Personally, i'm not the biggest fan of Deinocheirus, I'd much rather Therizinosaurus.
But it does have potential, I won't deny that.
rotund violet
Looks like a duck xD
last heath
why not both?
blazing charm
Hey, both would be fine.
But there are people who push one and only one.
And if that's the case, nobody gonna get in the way of my Theri
indigo sun
I suppose i shoulda added on that it shouldnt be perfectly hidden, the mud could be noticeably darker where the koola is hiding, or perhaps the ground slightly lumpy
blazing charm
Plus, Deinocheirus feels...problematic to me.
rotund violet
The thing is @Kingjaffad that Dino is between spino therzino and omnivore is fantastic :)
blazing charm
@indigo sun Maybe, still feels kinda cheap to me, plus it'd just be another form of sitting around waiting to ambush.
indigo sun
Fair enough
blazing charm
What exactly is fantastic about it, if you don't mind me asking?
rotund violet
Well for me I love duck heads Dino, omnivore is very cool new system in that game, and is unique designed as spino and therzino @Kingjaffad
I have limited English btw
still raptor
duck bill dino
blazing charm
Alright well, my thing with Omnivores is that they, atleast in my opinion shouldn't be as simple as "can eat meat and plant" but with the inclusion of different herbivore diets, require Omnivores to seek out very specific diets aswell, so they can't just easily sustain their hunger.
In the case of Deinocheirus, it should be strictly limited to Plants and Fishing, i've had people try to argue for Deinocheirus hunting juveniles and that is a terrible idea. With plants i'd probably think there could be some some underwater herbs, or swampy mosses. There's alot of different items to chose from, fishing wise. I honestly feel like Deinocheirus either needs its own form of fishing or at the very least a hindered version of the "default" fishing which is standing on the shore.
Since Suchomimus is, admitedly a fishing animal that doesn't really have much edge against Terrestial predators, apart from maybe using waterways to setup ambushes or tracking prey. Suchomimus is probably going to rely on its ability to fish quite a bit, and Deinocheirus being such a massive animal could easily bully most other fishing animals way, except for Spinosaurus which is probably going to be out fishing in the ocean, though I'd like to see Spinosaurus ocasionally catching the largest fish prey from swamps, lakes or rivers and unable to catch the smaller fish, which would be reserved for smaller fishers.
Anyway, getting sidetracked. Deinocheirus having the hindered fishing also means it can't just rely on one food source, and does have to actually vary its diet, plants probably being the less filling but easier to acquire while fishing is the more difficult, but more rewarding.
Combat wise, it'd be really similar to Therizinosaurus with the only real difference I can think of being statistical differences.
I personally don't know what those differences could be, since we have no official confirmation for Therizinosaurus coming to survival, and I refuse to use the current stats and balance as a comparison. Not just because of the recode, but also because I genuinely hate current Theri's balancing choices. The glass cannon playstyle honestly just encourages more offensive behavior from an animal that seems more defensive to me.
rotund violet
I'm agreed with you, this animal can be added 2 different diets/stomach, give some obligations to eat meat and plants, this ll make gameplay more difficult instead being easier, as you need to manage 2 diets
2 it wouldn't be so dangerous to jovs and fishing animals, is of course very slow
3 what about this Deinocheirus? If devs don't confirm therzino? U can change your mind maybe
blazing charm
Sorry, mind repeating that?
indigo sun
This is for discussing suggestions. I assume you meant to go to #general-feedback
trim wolf
Honestly, the thing I like about the isle is that I can just do what I want as I try to survive. Servers sometimes host events, and those can be fun, but mostly, it's whatever I want.
Points and trying to force people into a pay to win game play would, frankly, suck. I can't play hours every day, so I wouldn't be able to compare to someone who does.
Also, combat is going to get overhauled along with everything else, so there's no reason to complain about it now.
night mountain
Lmao I’m incapable of picturing tribals talking to dinosaurs without the dinosaurs making flintstones quips
Some stego going “eh it’s a living” while a tribal whips the shit out of it
quasi basin
😂
stoic orbit
I mean you can’t tell gigas aren’t shit idk why you put the emoji
I mean I get they are supposed to be ambush predators but the advantages of a rex and a giga aren’t balanced
thorn wagon
While “giga is shit” is an opinion, and they may not be as easily able to stomp higher tier herbs like trike like a Rex can; they’re oppressive as all hell to mid tiers especially with the trot.
Rexes are more ambush hunters than giga because of the slow trot, fast ambush and run speed, and quick stam drain and inability to recover stam unless resting
Giga is built for the chase and the long haul with that trot and ability to recover stam on the move, using the bleed to wear the opponent down over time while the trot lets it easily keep pace
Maybe you think “giga is shit” because you’re attempting to use it like an ambush only end-them-quick style that a Rex would find easier; but complaining about your opinion with no actual evidence to back it up isn’t gonna garner any backing
stoic orbit
I mean a giga is supposed to be an “apex predator” if you wanted to be able to kill mid tiers with ease you’d use something like an Acro which is supposed to be like a semi apex gigas kinda have to be ambush predators with most high tier animals because they get destroyed head on so they have to get an advantage point from behind since they can ass ride easily because of their turn radius but if they were to try to go for a shant,Rex or trike head on you’d probably get destroyed depending on how they play but most people know what to do
stoic orbit
I mean yea but you still have to ambush as a giga that’s the only likely way you’ll win a fight against any high tier so you are technically an ambush predator since they preferable would go for larger prey even tho it’s harder to for gigas to kill
wise warren
It only takes, what, 3 bites? To kill a trike as a giga if you just wait
thorn wagon
“Ambush predator” and “getting the jump on your prey” are very different
Ambushers are like crocs
Very fast and powerful, if they hit then it’s almost always over, if not then they probs don’t pursue further, generally how a good Rex plays now
wise warren
If you want your fight over fast, you want a brawler apex like Rex. Giga are in it for the long haul and bleed/trot down prey, and they do it terrifyingly well in the right hands
thorn wagon
Also, don’t assride as giga, you gotta let the bleed do the brunt of the work
All that matters is getting in, stacking it, then keeping them moving from distance
stoic orbit
You guys are right but like can we agree sub gigas are pretty bad
wise warren
Ehh they can stand against most mid teir carnis
Adult Apexes are a problem and they are slow but they are STRONG
I’ve killed adult trikes with them when I had a partner
stoic orbit
Wtf I haven’t been doing this right also tbh you rarely find a lone Allo
wise warren
True
thorn wagon
Considering you’ve said you play on no alt servers chances are you only need to kill 1
night mountain
Sub giga isn’t bad it just gets shitstomped by adult apexes
thorn wagon
Anyway it’s sleep time 
wise warren
All sub stages are designed to be weak anyway as a way to make sure apexes don’t overpopulate, I think it’s fine
thorn wagon
Alberto > sub Rex
barren zephyr
we need giga shark
thorn wagon
Giga croc*
wise warren
Yes
stoic orbit
I get fucked up by ceratos,Utahs, and dilos how do you deal with them? They always get behind me
wise warren
Lmao
barren zephyr
fuck giga croc
wise warren
Alt turn
barren zephyr
giga croc is bad
barren zephyr
yea alt turn lmao
stoic orbit
I’m not on an alt server
thorn wagon
Welp then sucks
barren zephyr
bad news bud
wise warren
Get a friend
thorn wagon
You’re in the cerato domain now
barren zephyr
utahs kill even rexes on no alt
night mountain
Don’t play on bad servers
thorn wagon
Davis’ turf
night mountain
Or just combat log
wise warren
Otherwise rip you, your fault playing there
stoic orbit
Bruh
barren zephyr
tbh its better for you to learn how to play with alt cause it will be forced in recode
wise warren
If you don’t want to be assrid, play a Dino with good turn or better yet on a server where you can just turn around
thorn wagon
Moral of the story, don’t rant and make a suggestion about how a literal apex’s growth time should be cut in half because of a player’s choice that can easily be avoided
Thank you for coming to my ted talk
wise warren
Yes talk
barren zephyr
also utahs and ceras can fuck up even a rex on no alt
stoic orbit
Oh no I didn’t say it should be cut down by half I meant by like 25 minutes
thorn wagon
Well you deleted your suggestion so I don’t have screenshot proof but you said by a few hours
At least 1
barren zephyr
tbh giga growth is fine
stoic orbit
Idk but I need to play alt servers
violet magnet
this mans said that giga gets wrecked by midtiers
boi-
"if they were to try to go for a shant,Rex or trike head on you’d probably get destroyed"
yes because their business end is from head-on
derp
oblique sluice
@tardy nest You need to elaborate more than ''add x because i like it''
tardy nest
Yeah sorry , i’m french and my english are worst than the max speed ou the puerta so i’m going to prepare an argumentation
i prepare a data sheat for my argumentation
tardy nest
i do it in speed ^^' and it's not finished
last heath
@tardy nest if its not finished, finish it first?
tardy nest
for the moment i don't have more idea
blazing charm
This is just stat stuff, which isn't going to really matter in the recode since Balance will probably be reworked in its entirety.
People want to see unique mechanics, things that would make a Diplodocus different from the likes of Camara, since that's currently the most popular choice for a playable Sauropod.
stoic orbit
@violet magnet I didn’t say they get wrecked by mid tiers I said they destroy mid tiers so don’t try to clown me bud and I said the head on thing because a Rex could kill high tiers head on if it just runs through them and breaks their leg, except shants since it can just 1 shot you if try that
raw surge
Think they wil have a Nessy type?
indigo sun
Nessy type?
blazing charm
I think they mean Plesiosaur.
oblique sluice
@barren zephyr Can you elaborate more game wise as what it would do besides being food?
barren zephyr
It would be more likley a velo-sized austroraptor
blazing charm
So, a creature that would already struggle to hunt anything larger than itself, and you want to make a Velociraptor sized version?
oblique sluice
it is pretty smaller than velo tho
blazing charm
Oh yeah, so that's even worse.
oblique sluice
its like, idk, hatchling galli size maybe
blazing charm
If anything, this kinda comes off as a semi-aquatic version of Compy
barren zephyr
I know that a lot of people think that playing something like that would make absolutly no fun. But actually I would have a lot of fun with it. Think of it like dryosaurus. A lot of people play it even tho its a helpless Squicker.
barren zephyr
Wellp. This is why I suggest it. If compys and troodons become a thing,then why not this one? Why not a small carnivore that eats small fish?? It is bigger than Velo in height but almost the same on bodymass
blazing charm
First off, Dryosaurus is huge compared to a person, i'm all for having small creatures but within reason.
This thing would be utterly helpless to EVERYTHING, atleast with other small creatures you can fight back or run away and hide with the use of burrows, etc.
This thing, is a duck. All you could do is get killed on land by larger, faster predators OR swim around and probably get eaten by a Juvenile Deinosuchus.
Troodon is going to have venom, Compys are AI.
barren zephyr
Mhmh
blazing charm
^ This.
barren zephyr
Well
blazing charm
Being microscopic would be fun for about, 10-ish minutes tops.
valid zephyr
for all we know dryo might get its proper size once dino sizes are adjusted
barren zephyr
I dont know much about dinosaurs.
valid zephyr
aka 70kg not 700kg
oblique sluice
we aren't talking about weight tho
barren zephyr
But what I know
oblique sluice
yeah, but compare dryo what is around 3 meters
and now with the duckraptor wich is 60cm
valid zephyr
dryo is much much smaller than a cow
barren zephyr
Is that Im rlly in love with this dinosaur
oblique sluice
not in lenght
valid zephyr
I do think that Halszkaraptor would be a bit small as a playable
then again we're getting hippy which is tiny
blazing charm
Okay, just because you really like a dinosaur doesn't mean it would be a great playable.
barren zephyr
For me it would be a great playable but I never suggested it as a playable one
oblique sluice
that x3 the size of halsz
blazing charm
Okay, even as a playable it'd be kinda pointless since it would just be Juvi fodder
oblique sluice
it can't even fishing, the fish we are getting is pretty bigger
barren zephyr
But at the same time I could Imagine humans to keep them as pets in cages to eat their eggs or something. Like chickens with the only difference that they would eat fish
blazing charm
I don't think there's been any mention for Mercs to be able to keep pets.
barren zephyr
Yeah I hate this part bout the isle sometimes. The Grass is just too high sometimes. Id even say its mostly oversized. Why not bring in all variations of sizes from different fish types in. Like small fish for small dinos and big fish for big dinos
Yes I know. Let me have my sweet dreams.😅
oblique sluice
Because have everything for every possible creature its not the idea of the game
blazing charm
This ain' the place for dreams, i'm afraid.
oblique sluice
As always i say, there are ton of creatures i would like to see
but they are irrelevant cause there is a similar creature, or just don't fit
like my precious torvo
barren zephyr
Suggestions is also a place for people who wish something to be part of the game. This is my wish and this is why I suggested it. Im not saying that it has to be a part of the game. Its just an idea. So I think if I have a dream about this dino becoming part of the game, then I have the right to suggest it. Is this correct?
oblique sluice
Yeah but a suggestion has to be reasonable
thats why its a suggestion and not only a idea
barren zephyr
My reason is that I would love to have smaller creatures eat fish and not only big ones like deino,Spino or sucho
paper oriole
Theres austro
barren zephyr
Will it be playable tho?
barren zephyr
I heard about austro getting remodelled like a while ago. And I was kinda sad, since austro is one of the few moddels left from the old times. It was once my favorite dino to play in game but since it became so weak and has not enough stamina to rund away, it is a snack.
But thats the part where Camouflage becomes a thing.
paper oriole
He isnt as weak as duck raptor lol
oblique sluice
We don't know nothing about it being added and remodeled
barren zephyr
I dont know either
I dont even know who told me that. But I know that I heard it. (THIS IS NOT OFFICIAL, DONT TAKE IT SERIOUS)
blazing charm
Last official word regarding Austroraptor was from Bryan, who basically said it was replaced by the "Utahraptor"
blazing charm
I'm trying to find that screenshot
valid zephyr
sad about utah replacing it as it's larger, can't fish, and doesn't have the same feathered aesthetic.
blazing charm
Like, there's room for small fishing animals in my opinion, but I feel like people are overestimating the fun of "getting picked on by everything and eating fish"
Granted, there's supposed to be more small prey coming, and if people truely desire an underdog, Austro could work.
valid zephyr
I mean it's a similar idea with small herbis like dryo and hypsil. All they can really do is be food and eat bush, but they're still enjoyable imo.
blazing charm
Because they aren't supposed to be hunting
Austroraptor is a carnivore, as in the role MEANT to hunt prey.
Adding a Carnivore that isn't supposed to be good at hunting is so backwards.
barren zephyr
Then why are people complaining about herbis (especialy small ones) being not enjoyable since its "only" Prey
valid zephyr
I mean it's a piscivore which is a diet of its own.
indigo sun
Err i dont think anyone complained about small herbivores only being prey. The biggest complaints ive seen are herbivores not being able to hold up against their own tier in some way, whether it be fleeing or fighting so they can survive
barren zephyr
I (for my part) like playing prey. I really do cuz of that joy you get,when you manage to escape.
@indigo sun I know A lot of people who exacly complain about small herbs being useless. Wich is not my opinion. Im a herb Main. A lot of people dont even give herbs a chance. Ive learned to survive over time and have fun without instant dying. But I think most people are playing carnivores to get a big fat dinosaur with sharp teeth that can kill anything in under 4 hours. I think the Main Problem here is the growtime for herbivores.
blazing charm
Holy shit finally
valid zephyr
gone from isle theories to isle lore theories
blazing charm
Now we can stop having people coming in thinking its another Isle Discussion
valid zephyr
it won't stop them 
clever bramble
oblique sluice
Jaffad, what do you think about the Koolasuchus suggestion by Nines?
blazing charm
Not the biggest fan, personally.
Like, it's cool and all but it feels like a bad idea.
oblique sluice
Personally i was thinking about it before the suggestion, one of the ideas was koola being kinda poisonous (yeah, fiction strikes again), so it kinda has more defense against things like deino/spino or even sucho, plus it having a dryo burrow like a gallery where it can put food in, just like crocodiles
Just brainstorming ideas because i would like a bit more of variety with aquatics without jumping on ocean things
night mountain
I’d love koola but it needs some way to not get shit on bigtime by deino
oblique sluice
Thats why the poisonous thing
night mountain
Ye that could be cool
Another kool niche could be it being more adapted for rivers somehow
oblique sluice
It's the only amphibian who is reasonable big and you can put the poison just like dilo/troodon venom
yeah, nines talked about it being more river thingy
night mountain
Poisonous mid tier river deino sounds fun tbh
Would keep it in totally different habitats, inland river 
soft roost
Maybe poison could make the dino take hunger damage
After a delay so in a pinch you could think about keeping your hunger up for just a bit but losing more than you would have originally. Like the person who suggested it said could be basically water compy or just another obstacle to watch out for when you are a weak juvi
soft roost
Taken instantly to starving from throwing up everything to save self, then again some animals like horses cant vomit at all so they just up and die like you said
night mountain
But only activate when bitten so if you die from one it’s your fault
indigo sun
@barren zephyr One word... No.
lilac swallow
@indigo sun did the rule against these kind of suggestions got aproved?
indigo sun
Even filipe gave it a thumbs up
lilac swallow
True
craggy scarab
What rule?
paper oriole
the rule against posting nasty suggestions about mating animations, poop, etc i think
craggy scarab
Ahhh
indigo sun
"Pteradon"
paper oriole
what could dimorphodon even do he's freakin puny we're getting pteranodon already lol
paper oriole
at most it'd be ptera food
soft roost
Just be fishing but in the air for ptera
oblique sluice
Quetz can at most pick up the smallest juvies
barren zephyr
indigo sun
Yeah its tall but its also light as fuck
still needle
and even if it could pick up small juvies it would probably just swallow them and then fly away
it would not really need to pick things up besides maybe baby food
oblique sluice
No
paper oriole
it's been suggested only about a million times so if they plan on implementing it or dont all up to them lol
oblique sluice
I can see eggs being hish risk/high reward
but yeah, has been suggested a million times
night mountain
Reminder ptera and especially quetz couldn’t turn their heads while flying
Pela is the only one who could realistically fly and eat and fight at the same time. A true chad
last heath
@harsh hemlock couldnt you just... host your own server? its not dificult and I've done it several times
knowing mods are comming back, I wouldnt be surprised if that's one of the first things added. I dont know if the devs even care for death match
so I doubt its gonna be done by the devs
not a bad suggestion, but you'd be better off asking some modder to do it
indigo sun
@minor verge
I'll agree with iguanodon but carcharodontosaurus is nothing more than a giga clone. It wouldnt add anything to the game and be a wast of $7k to add
soft roost
The termite mound suggestion looks very interesting, i doubt it would be implemented but i would love to be some small herbivore/omnivore in a burrow coming out to eat some bugs and chillin.
languid crown
Only difference is skull shape
white torrent
I don’t think males and female should have a power difference-
It’s just not fair
It’s a game, male and female played should stack up
What?
I’m, very confused
Yeah- ight
indigo sun
No stat or size differences for males and females @left stirrup
1.) Thats so much fuckin balance to do
2.) People will go for the stronger sex and that leads to an unbalanced population made up of a majority of the stronger sex. Bad idea.
3.) Its not really easy to fit animations on a thing of one size on a different sized thing. It doesnt work out.
patent spade
i see we are back to the "one gender should be stronger than the other" discussion
indigo sun
Well blame the most recent suggestion
patent spade
also a tp ability would be awful. the abuse ppl would do with that would be ridiculous. imagine trying to fight a sub rex and then suddenly 2 adult rexs pop up out of thin air
violet magnet
@left stirrup Gonna do this point by point;
- Allowing carnivores to sniff out still living prey items means no more hiding, ever. Bad
- Rare chance of albinism, melanism, or other color mutation, which could influence gameplay style and provide an interesting survival experience. Good
- Would create an imbalance of power, would probably result in players going on killing sprees to grow bigger and get the better stats. Bad
- Males stronger than females, which would create a power imbalance and would likely result in an overabundance of males just because they're more powerful. Bad
- "When Players form a group, they should be able to teleport to one of their members" Hard Fucking No
- Rewards systems that rewards players with stat changes and faster growth times. Also hard no
left stirrup
For the teleporting I suggested a cool down as well, it’s obviously going to be abused if it was just teleportation. It really sucks to lug a fat Dino across the entire map to get to a group member
violet magnet
like a timer cooldown or...?
left stirrup
Yeah, basically
violet magnet
say you have a big group and invite a lot of people, what would the group teleport mechanic look like with the cooldown?
left stirrup
Maybe 30 minutes to an hour
violet magnet
i mean...they probably could've crossed the map in that time
night mountain
Idk teleportation is iffy, I’d be all for being able to choose what general region of the map you spawn in as a juvi though
left stirrup
What I mean is, they use it that one time to get to them once they join the group. And if they want to use it any other time, they’d have to wait for a cooldown.
violet magnet
yea i'd go with the regional spawns before teleportation
indigo sun
choosing where you spawn is much better than teleportation
night mountain
Teleportation is mainly cancerous because of fights teleporting in pack members
indigo sun
coulda sworn i made a suggestion about that
left stirrup
That’s actually an awesome idea. Region spawns sound great
left stirrup
Oh I’d also like to discuss the reward system too!
I think it’s fair and provides incentives to fit a niche. It rewards gameplay that your Dino was fit to do
indigo sun
already there will be ways to speed up growth from what dondi mentioned but i dont like groups impacting how much damage an individual puts out or just one person having higher damage than another in their species in general
left stirrup
I see why that might be flawed, but I think the growth system alone is good
indigo sun
oh did you ever respond to the stat differences thing or no?
i dont think i saw if you did
paper oriole
Joining a pack already increases damage capability because youre in a pack, no buff needed at all
indigo sun
by that i mean stat differences between sexes
left stirrup
Oh yeah, they convinced me
I was overly biased towards females myself, simply because I thought nesting was automatically more cooler and fun
indigo sun
unfortunately the majority wont see nesting as a good enough reason to play females
left stirrup
I see
quasi basin
Wht do you think about ai herds of bigger dinos that can fight back
paper oriole
As long as maia herd AI isnt throwing itself at apexes n shit cus thatd just be free food lol
quasi basin
Yeah but like they could runaway when it was apexes but if a juvie attacked them they could just kill it
paper oriole
AI that can kick bad carni players' asses instead of taco bell handouts would be decent population control
quasi basin
Yea
thorn wagon
~~it’s funny because psittacosaurus ~~
paper oriole
"Highground areas for jumping dinos to perch" so raptor rock again
latent cave
In terms of sexual dimorphisam i think its stupid to make all males bigger, if they do have different sizes and stats for male and female dinos it should vary on the species, rex females are known to grow much larger then males, so if they were to do it, they should do it right and not just make allmales bigger so the only reason to be a female is if you like nesting, shants, para, trikes and patchy would make sence for larger males expecialy patchy as the males would have larger domes, however more a large amount females would be bigger notable rex and raptors, however it is likly other carnivores are simular in that reguard and i just have not heard of it
shell willow
iirc female rex being bigger is a paleomeme
lilac swallow
It is
shell willow
yea
valid zephyr
Oh look more people asking for males to be bigger and stronger so females can just sit on the nest. (or vice versa, as both are awful ideas)
violet magnet
sexual dimorphism should be purely aesthetic and NOT any difference in size or stats, don't @ me
valid zephyr
Yep otherwise you get all the players picking one gender over the other.
pure copper
Making sex dimorphism effect stats is indeed a horrendously dumb idea
lofty sundial
you can make things look bigger without actually making them bigger.
Example: Bigger jaws but not overall head. Bigger crests or brows. Thicker arms etc.
rather than height difference
naive helm
Sexual dimorphism tends to end up as "here's the male, the cool awesome dino and here's the female the less awesome dino". Isle is nice because both sexes can use all the colors instead of males getting a range from pitch black to neon blue and females getting Varying Shades of Brown
There's also the fact that some bird species fo have significantly bigger females (the extinct moa for example https://alchetron.com/cdn/dinornis-efc6630d-fa17-4d01-8272-55dbaf9259c-resize-750.jpeg) making at least an universal "males are bigger" dimorphism dumb. People don't need less incentives to play a female dino.
lofty sundial
"males are bigger" in dimorphism isnt dumb. Its a fact. just some species grow out weirdly and different from others and vary in sizes.
As is with humans, males being most of the time larger, but other females from different countries where standards are different, can be taller, or have an overgrowth .
valid zephyr
Yes irl one sex is often larger and more powerful. But this is a game and balance > realism.
If you made one sex weaker all that happens is every single player just picks the stronger one. Making them equal in stats/size means that you will get an even player spread.
oblique sluice
^I agree with Jenkens here
Making one sex different in stats its a suicide balance wise
empty dove
@left storm you need to learn how to play a Dino before saying it’s bad
Giga is amazing
If it was faster or stronger, it’d make Rex no point
lilac swallow
Somehow is not viable
empty dove
Lol
blazing charm
Giga is in a really good spot, what're you on about?
it can trot down nearly every other creature at the moment, it has an insane alt-turn speed. Yes the matchup with Rex is a tad....one-sided but that's just because of the awful Bone-Break mechanic we currently have.
blazing charm
Best strategy against Rexes, atleast as long as you aren't horribly outnumbered, is to just slowly widdle them down with bleed and keep your distance.
empty dove
Mhm
blazing charm
If they try to ambush or run, just do the same, if you've been keeping your distance with the trot they'll have difficulty catching you.
empty dove
I find that in a 2v2, giga can win just by separating the rexes and then rip rexes
You just bite 1 of them 2-3 times and then stay back
valid zephyr
oh my, an unironic buff giga suggestion.
"horrible turn radius"
it's alt turn is so fast it could double as a reaction wheel for controlling spacecraft heading.
blazing charm
@left storm If you don't mind me asking, what servers do you usually play on?
I'm going somewhere with this
empty dove
Even it’s normal turn is better than Rex
lilac swallow
Giga is also better at hunting in general and at navigating the map
empty dove
Yeah
simple maple
My only annoyance with Giga is that the Juvie and Sub stages are so slow compared to the Juvie and Sub stages for Rex. But Adult Giga is really fun
empty dove
Mhm
sonic cloud
If that’s the case what’s the point of making it good a fighting rex then?
Giga is a hunter and surprise surprise, it’s a far better hunter than rex.
Rex is a fighter and it’s a better fighter than giga.
Is there a problem with this or do people want giga and rex to be the exact same animal with a different skin?
patent spade
the actual fuck. if you think giga isnt viable then that just means you are an awful giga player.
patent spade
that wasnt even that disrespectful its fact
sonic cloud
If a rex doesn’t catch you within 30 seconds it isn’t going to catch you at all.
empty dove
But yes it’s a fact
sonic cloud
Makes you a pretty awful player to be caught by a rex as anything other than a trike
sonic cloud
Read dude
patent spade
the trike doesnt need to outrun anything when it has a 2 mile hit radius XD
empty dove
Lol
simple maple
There's gonna be a lot of changes in recode, and our current view of Dino Balance probably gonna get thrown out the window. So it's better to focus on cool mechanics and niches rather than "Can X Beat Y in a fight?" type debate
empty dove
Mhm
simple maple
I already kinda like where Rex and Giga are at anyway. Rex is all or nothing, balls to the wall DO IT NOW type fight, while Giga is patient with constant harassment and exhaustion. Fits their biological hunting styles and gameplay niches perfectly IMO and will probably only be expanded to be cooler in recode
lilac swallow
Rex is actually pretty balanced, if you are aware It isnt chasing you
patent spade
a giga only needs 2 bites and then you wait patiently while bleed does the dmg to kill a rex. you dont facetank with a giga unless you want it to die or the hits not registering are in your favor
lilac swallow
But again, some people manage to get hunted by trikes so what could i expect
valid zephyr
People will get hunted down by camas. I'm willing to bet on it.
empty dove
Lol
empty dove
Yep
patent spade
and then they proceed to complain that the cama would need to be nerfed just because they werent aware of their surroundings
lofty sundial
I didnt say make one sex weaker. I just pointed out a few ways to make it look bigger, without making it bigger.
left storm
@blazing charm official
blazing charm
Alright, just making sure.
left storm
I'm just saying nerf the rex speed a tad and bump the giga a bit, maybe decrease the giga's weight as a counter balance
patent spade
the rex is already slow though
lilac swallow
If they nerf Rex speed Rex needs more stam
last heath
weight wont matter soon
left storm
Or just make the giga like 33.4 which is just a smidgen faster
lilac swallow
Also true
last heath
cuz giga isnt already a god at chasing shit
lilac swallow
33.4 giga and we can say goodbye to anything smaller
indigo sun
Please stop balancing one animal based on how it does against a single other animal and start to think about the rest of the roster when you're suggesting these balance changes.
patent spade
if all of these changes is cause its not strong against a rex then just avoid rexs, if you get caught by a rex then thats your own fault
left storm
well cerato and para aint what they use to be either
last heath
thats why para is being redone
and we all asking for a cerato buff
giga is already godlike
patent spade
i believe dondi mentioned recently that ceras will be able to actually hunt shit with the new unnanounced instead of being bullied didnt he
lilac swallow
Getting caught by Rex as anything that isnt trike is allways your fault or the Rex being good at sneaking
last heath
@patent spade he was refering to the new 14 small dinos
left storm
but sub and juvie are absolutely walking meals
last heath
so cerato can hunt small shit as intended instead of fighting shit that is too big for it
lilac swallow
Juv and sub giga definitely needs buffs
patent spade
juvie rex and sub rex is pretty fast lol
last heath
all juvies are getting reworked so they are fun to play
and giga is being redone anyway so this talk is actually kind of meaningless
lilac swallow
Actually not just giga, balance in general is being changed
patent spade
its also suppose to be difficult to get to fullgrown apex instead of just getting a free ticket to kill everything in the game
last heath
@junior hinge friendly fire exists so you cant abuse it by all members jumping on 1 guy and all bitting non stop
it becomes a brainless swarm attack
friendly fire exists so you have to think before attacking
''if there is a mated pair in the new affinity system'' what does this mean? could you word it differently?
patent spade
dont want to hurt your allies just have all of you go maia lol
junior hinge
@last heath by that i mean maybe the players could have buffs based on if they are paired male and female such as in ark survival evolved.
last heath
@junior hinge apologize for my dumbass reading skills, but I have no clue what ''paired male and female'' means
does it mean when 2 players are pairing, one as male and one as female, they get buffs?
junior hinge
like if a male and female of the same species are together and are mates they could have buffs since they have more of a will to live in order to save their babies and whatnot
last heath
eh, maybe. it could be a way to incentivise nesting, but would need to be well balanced to not just make 2 players have buffs so they are stronger yet never nest
junior hinge
yeah true
many things could be abused tbh, it would definitely have to be well balanced
indigo sun
They could recieve the buffs only if theyve got hatchlings
paper oriole
yikes, another "remove friendly fire" and "buff giga" suggestion
slow stream
Yikers
wintry cipher
Having pair bond buffs would just be punishment for solo play that is unneeded.
I could see females getting buffs while nearby their own hatchlings and juvies, and males getting buffs near females they recently had babies with. But nothing else.
paper oriole
improved AI and utah pounce is planned already
zenith plinth
indigo sun
Just stop making any suggestions about AI, it's completely changing so any suggestions based on current AI are useless
primal minnow
@indigo sun How is it completely changing?
indigo sun
Its not spawning on players, it's going to spawn in different locations and its going to behave like actual animals instead of am ava begging for any big bad rex to come kill it.
primal minnow
That's a damn good change! Didn't know that
patent spade
how has that one suggestion about playing as a plant not been removed by now lol
valid flower
@dapper grotto Shant is being removed.
narrow delta
why?
will the grass eating mechanic make more players play as herbivores? couse its pretty boring when everyone is utah, dilo, giga or rex
next nexus
I don't think eating grass is going to appeal to the audience who are not already interested in herbivores
grazing honestly just sounds like a better use of time while waiting around in a group instead of cuddle puddling like herds do currently
but thats about it
simple maple
I think the grazing will help just because it will make Herbi have even more casual appeal. Won't have to worry about not being able to find food when it's raining, and like Lemur said it would be a better use of time besides just standing around or laying together.
lilac swallow
What has people with fucking shits, farts and pee
indigo sun
@edgy edge how bout... fuckin no.
safe galleon
ffs why have there been so many fart/shit suggestions latley
lilac swallow
Whats the fucking problem, why so many people want it
indigo sun
Fart fetishes or some shit
edgy edge
cmon would be funny like beeing a dryo and a t-rex 3 calls u and you just fart
It aint a fart fetish but more like ooof
indigo sun
No its not cool
lilac swallow
Maybe funny for the first time, when having a group means you are in a fart party It stops being funny
indigo sun
It'd be fucking awful
edgy edge
Instead of dryo 4 spam, would be much funnier xD
safe galleon
it would get annoying
edgy edge
eh
still temple
What's with the scat and fart fetishes these days jesus
indigo sun
It'd be disgusting
It'd make this game a joke and the only people that would use that consistently are 5 year olds and fart fetishists
last heath
"I get it, you want piss, shit and fucking."
- Dondi, probably
indigo sun
I think he said something along those lines yeah
barren zephyr
how about we dont ever mention fart, piss, shit and over weird ass things ever again in suggestions? or even think abt suggesting them?
yes? yes.
indigo sun
I tried suggesting a rule against it
lofty sundial
"mUh ImMeRsiOn"
valid zephyr
also what's up with that suggestion with tons of gaps?
indigo sun
A stroke i guess?? I dont know maybe it got formatted weird
blazing charm
@barren zephyr Why did you put that in spoiler text?
barren zephyr
incase someone doesnt care bout discord suggestion
blazing charm
Yet, putting in spoiler text makes it immediately attention grabbing, since there isn't any other post like it?
night mountain
As for the saltwater thing I’d be for ptera pela and maybe spino being able to straight up drink it
Maybe quetz too
last heath
i like the idea of spino getting a big of water from sea fish a bit more
paper oriole
Encourage speen to be by the ocean and sucho to be the river wader so the water sources arent all full of the 3 big water boys and instead more spread out
white torrent
Why not encourage succ to be by the ocean, and speen to be anywhere it pleases
paper oriole
succ seems mor elike a river and swamp boy
white torrent
Well hey
As long as I don’t HAVE to be and ocean boy then
Sure- try to push people into a niche that makes a no sense
paper oriole
it'd just be encouraged liek
oceans would have bigger fish and spino would have the ability to drink salt water, so he'd have some incentive to be at the ocena
but he could choose to go to fresh water and just hunt less filling fish and land animals instead with no punishment
barren zephyr
succo really seems like river boi
unborn quail
Sucho seems like an animal that will dwell in shallow water sources, basically anywhere it can avoid deinosuchus/catch fish from shore as it's advertised to do
So shallow rivers/streams, swamps, smaller lakes or ponds
last heath
@outer lion Tap menu?
blazing charm
I think they mean tab, as in player list.
barren zephyr
Tbh would be exploitable af
get your friend to spawn in as juvi rex. Look into the list, tell you how many rexes there are ie
agile zinc
about "Pissing, Farting, Shitting" of dinos. I get what u are afraid of with kids just rushingi nto the game just to spam some farts and piss at ppl after every kill or just for "fun". Its not rly needed, only if Dondi would want to make this game as realistic as it is possible. The safe solution would be to make this stuff happening automaticly, without any key pressing. Kinda some bars filling up telling u when u gotta go etc.
indigo sun
Um fucking no.
It's disgusting.
And it would literally make this game a joke.
Also, knowing how many people are x species doesn't give you any advantage, Nyar. You don't know where they are or if they're in groups or anything like that
It just shouldn't be a thing at all
The safe solution is those types of things just not happening.
agile zinc
well it is a "natural" thing and somethink that we all do. I dont rly see how it could make this game a joke if u couldnt just do it whenever u want like in Postal or somethink. Tho yeah its kinda pointless to add as a feature to the game. The TAB List thing also kinda not worth it 😛 i prefer not to know what i can expect, imagine joining a server and half of it are Apex.. now u kinda would want to leave said server. Maybe some changes in chats, like colors etc or somethink. Tho not Tab menu. Btw chat is pretty awful in game.. shold be changed a bit aswell somehow.
austere spruce
admittedly i dont think all of the "frrtt" noises in ark do it any favors
trim haven
Honestly as dumb as it is, I could see a case (although incredibly weak) being made for urine and fecal matter, because yeah they're animals, but at that point just play Ark tbh. Besides that small factor of them being animals, it's basically what Nines said. It's just gross and makes it a joke, especially farting, of all things.
Overall just unnecessary if not ridiculous
vestal rune
ark did it because it's not a very serious game and it was a convenient way for a player to kill themselves(also for farming)
the isle has none of those factors, and there's no reason for it to be added apart from maaayyybe something to do with scent(but why would you want people to know where you are? there's always something that can hunt you)
lilac swallow
Or some potential prey that you are scaring by giving your position
pulsar owl
Many predators use urine and fecal matter to mark their territories. I think even we humans were known to have done this once upon a time.
indigo sun
theres no real reason to mark a territory though
if you want to keep an area for yourself then patrol and kill whatever comes into that area
leaving a scent trace just tells bigger things where you are
vestal rune
there's no evidence stating that dinosaurs marked territories, it's a very mammalian thing to do
also gamewise, marking territories would be a terrible idea for what me and nines said
huge beacon to show where you are, 'caus like I said in the isle there's always something able to hunt you
indigo sun
Grimm they said no to multiple people dragging one body already
vestal rune
real shame, would of been cool
indigo sun
would make the server have a heart attack or some shit
im not against private messaging though
vestal rune
only if it's the same dino though
indigo sun
same dino or admins conversing with each other or players
vestal rune
ah yes true, that would be a good idea
pulsar owl
Shame about the multi-drag. Would have been cool to have two utahs dragging a rex or giga to the nest .
I mainly suggested the pm because every time I would die, I'd have to wait to be re-invited to the group I was in.
knotty spindle
The thing about the multi-drag is, especially in multiplayer, a lot of performance heavy calculations would have to be made... it would lag or even crash the server especially if it is also happening other places in the map. It's a bummer but at least we can actually drag stuff :D
pulsar owl
What if they divided the corpse up?
mental sleet
You can do that indirectly.
Just rip out chunks from the body.
In theory, you can just amass a lot of people and have them rip out chunks to take with em.
pulsar owl
how do you drag stuff? My friends think it hasn't been implemented yet.
knotty spindle
i meant when it comes out, based on the info Dondi gave on stream
pulsar owl
have the devs issued a release date for it?
knotty spindle
dondi "estimated" a date but he was also somewhat drunk and ETAs are always just estimates, anything can happen that might delay stuff
my thrashing suggestion was just an idea for something fun you can do if you caught a utah or any smaller animal that could fit in your dinosaur's mouth, to rip shreds off of it by thrashing, maybe if you want to share some meat with the youngsters but eat the rest for yourself even.
pulsar owl
sounds good. Would definitely suit the semi-realism server
molten tulip
Any ideas for resting? The only ones I can think of is improved senses (hearing, maybe your scent is more strong if you rest and do it) or the option to lie completely flat
Resting is a vulnerable state that you may spend a while in so I think it would be cool if it could also offer advantages
pulsar owl
perhaps some kind of camouflage for certain species?
gusty gyro
That'd be unfair
indigo sun
@drowsy vapor Diving is planned and they've actually already started work on it
molten tulip
Ceratopsians are slow and noisy, if youre getting killed by them you just need to be more vigilant
patent spade
@drowsy vapor herbis can kill carni juvies all they want as long as they arent fresh spawns. carnivore juvies are future threats and shouldnt be allowed an easy growth just cause you dont like dying. maybe realism server will be more your speed if you have such a problem with it
grand egret
I just read the "Fecal" comments that i missed but i have an idea. AI could spawn in traces of urine/fecal matter to make it easier to track them? they could also appear on your scent view when you smell. But no actual players would be able to produce natural waste. Could have been said, but I'm just putting it out there xD
narrow ingot
🤔...i guess i like that idea. Not necessarily against it...at least u have reasoning behind it whether it's an unnecessary mechanic or not
still raptor
lol pee on a tree to mark your territory (this is a joke)
little tendon
I came to see what happened after that horrifing dinosaur fart suggestion
Jesus crist
still needle
a backwards dodge jump would be very interesting
watching something go in for a bite then bouncing backwards
mossy horizon
lel ye
Plus it would help when you're in a bad position and need more time to get out of an attack that would be merely impossible to evade even when using alt turn
paper oriole
I dont think a gorgonops would be hunting large herbivores in the isle, its like utah sized
Itd probably be an upper small tier bully
All for more non-apex quadrapedal carnis tho
Its also not a dinosaur but i dont think it would look too out of place
night mountain
Yeah definitely wouldn’t be hunting large herbivores, even like a Maia would dwarf one so much it could kill it by just like, running into it
paper oriole
Itd be able to invade burrows no doubt, probably be a great scavenger. Theres lots of new smallish thinga being added it could probably hunt if it ever becomes considered for the roster
But yea definitely would get smashed by mid tiers and up
paper oriole
Rex groups are limited like that for good reason, apex packs can be disgusting OP and destroy servers by wiping herds (which are a rare sight on officials anyway) and small groups/loners who stand zero chance
Theres already an apex overpopulation which is bad enough
thorn wagon
Tfw multiple Rex packs can and do already coordinate with vc if they’re sneaky about it
barren zephyr
@fiery surge 3 rexes is already enough to start demolishing populations of anything that isnt apex on officials and there is ton of rexes anyways. This way rexes could be even more op and pretty much destroy anything
mossy horizon
there goes my dodging backwards sugg lol
mossy horizon
paper oriole
2 adult rexes with a sub is already a powerful team
still temple
I hate how ppl can choose to stay at a certain growth stage and purposefully not reach adulthood
last adder
nah i don't mind that, it means there's one less apex polluting the server
and not many people do it anyway
wintry cipher
Just because you're not full grown doesn't make you not an Apex in rexs case. Sub demolishes allos and the like.
agile zinc
@drowsy vapor / @patent spade i dont see a problem with Herbis killing Juvi or even Hatchling Carnis... this is what theye were doing aparently. At least most of them. Just getting rid of threat while u still can, its nature. Some Herbis were even kiling other juvi herbis.. So yeah, on "Realism" servers that probably is a thing and if not, it should.
teal marsh
Hey, does anyone else want the Spinosaurus to be playable in survival? I would love for the Spino to be play able in survival.
indigo sun
Spino will be playable
They already remodelled it and everything
Thats not really a thing that needs to be asked
teal marsh
Oh. Cool, I didn’t know. 😅
lament thorn
also this is the suggestion discussion channel
best to ask questions like that in #401464048610312195
simple maple
Some herbivores can be very aggressive, especially males during rutt/musth. Since their testosterone levels can raise upwards of 60 times normal levels they're constantly horny and angry to the point that they'll attack basically anything that pisses them off or gets in their way.
It's also not unusual for herbivores to preemptively charge or attack potential threats, especially if their young is nearby.
As far as in game is concerned, all preventing herbis from killing juvies would do is prevent them from defending against some threats. A Juvie Rex easily gets to over 1000kg, so it would basically be like being unable to kill a Polar Bear going after your young. Not great for balance in a game where there's already significantly more carnivores than herbivores being played. Being a Juvie or small predator is supposed to be dangerous, they don't need protection from the thing they're going to be hunting in a few hours.
**TL;DR-**Herbis being aggressive is normal, and preventing herbis from killing you based on age is silly when a Juvie predator is still a threat.
indigo sun
@tall flicker planned and already being developed.
tall flicker
Cool!
languid crag
why would dinos be able to swim under water? Like a rex hiding underwater.. doesnt sound right
well some dinos could
languid crag
ahh great
indigo sun
Semi-aquatics
languid crag
thought you meant all dinos
languid crag
yeah haha
barren zephyr
@tall flicker Suggestions about adding more creatures shouldnt just be "add x creature". You should provide ideas on how it would be unique and what nice could it ocupy
tall flicker
Oh sorry I didn’t know
gentle seal
What do you guys think about my human suggestion?
indigo sun
The reactions are either 🚫 or so its either no or people laughing
gentle seal
But that reaction is literally laughing
Also, who said I was joking?
I'm just a fan of Scottish people blowing shit up
little tendon
imagine people jumping back but only to fall off a cliff
or the hopping can be used for mating dances in realisim ser-wait thats what alt turn is for
indigo sun
@ashen jungle they said no to herbivore strains.
ashen jungle
Really no way
slow stream
Besides that'd be hell to sustain
ashen jungle
Yer lol it would
slow stream
A hyper carni is hard enough to feed
ashen jungle
But would have loved seeing one of them and a rex or giga fight
slow stream
Yeh
ashen jungle
But still I wonder what one might have looked like
indigo sun
Tapwing probably made art of it. Check her deviantart
quasi basin
What do you think if the spino could use its arms for its secondary attack. Spinos did this in real life for defense and only realy used their mouths for fishing.
brisk mesa
Ingame it's going to use its arms to brutalise shit.
The devs have said so, extensively
slow stream
Ah
valid zephyr
I hope herbis do get some kind of long term cool thing, even if it isn't strains.
though a hyper rex and hyper trike fighting would be cool to see.
brisk mesa
I mean it isnt a question of herbis or carnis get xyz
Hypers are the enemy of everything
An all consuming wall of flesh.
You do not need a counter for mobi dick.
The freak of nature once in a blue moon beast.
Carnivores don't 'get' a long term thing; hypers are just monsters that can come from normal playables under freak circumstances
sonic cloud
As if hyper rex is going to spare a rex because it’s a carnivore
brisk mesa
You won't ever be able to just think, ah, I'll grow a Trex and get hyper!
And that as well;
This bitch hungry
You as your Hyper Rex want to last as long as possible
it's inevitable after some time you'll starve but you want to eat so u can keep playing
for as long as possible.
ashen elm
@brisk mesa I think you have a lot of interesting ideas! Though this is system that would ofc need to be tested in-game as I believe it may be too punishing for herbivores; even with added special abilities. Especially since carnivores can just as easily camp a lake and have food or AI come to them and solve both those issues while still being able to KOS. The stamina drain is particular may encourage more camping and less exploration.
Not a direct criticism but I think in general this will also further incentive people to go carnivore and herbivores are already on life-support on many servers. But that is a separate issue.
Onto the special herbivore abilities, I really like them! I actually was making similar ability 'dust cloud' ability for Galli' but especially since Dryo's already a burrower if fits him more. Stego's and Triceratops are really cool! I can't say I have any issue with any of the proposed abilities... however, I'm wondering how this will react with abilities the herbivores either already have confirmed (burrowing) or may have planned (Anky's armor).
Do animals have two abilities? (actually I'd be fine with that and I think one the devs hinted as such that they'd be for multiple abilities if they fit)
brisk mesa
As for abilities since that's a faster thing to answer - they're just the combat centered ones.
We know for instance that Dilo can track it's venom, and it sees amazingly at night
Those are two different ballgames than being able to be seriously deadly w/ venom
Likewise, Spinosaurus can just yolo off into water, which isn't strictly a combat centered thing.
Sucho's good at fishing; Cerato's good at scavenging
So yeah; having a 'survival' gimmick along with a 'combat' one is a fine thing
ashen elm
I suppose so! So animals can have a one of each combat, survival or even movement abilities.
brisk mesa
Yeah, that'd be a fine way to distribute it.
Now, as to the issue of lake camping - not only are rivers an abundant alternative but if you cam a lake, your pushing your luck.
If there's a Deinosuchus that can gobble up your Allosaurus, are you really going to camp?
Nah, not really less your really dense.
AI isn't going to spawn like happy meals anymore
so the predators need to work for everything...
Herbivores who are more 'chill' would be able to form a much larger group than carnivores.
With my above system 15 Allos wouldn't exist.
It just wouldn't.
The changes to body yield really really do impact predators, and again, while they may be prone to camping...
they also won't be able to travel across the map to yeet your herd.
Like, atm, if an Allo pack sees your Para
they can keep chasing you forever
and not really stop.
They'll just keep following you and eventually get you.
In this system there comes a point where doing so would really just be unfeasible.
A point where a predator calls off a hunt not because you've pulled a fast one but because it isn't worth it.
Yknow?
They might get injured and their gonna be hella thirsty
ashen elm
That is true, Dieno will definitely alter the way people view lakes. Though I'm not sure they'll inhabit every lake, pond or river. It more about non-draining water-sources and a carnivores ability to hog or control those resources. Though that may be intentional on your part as a design?
Why would herbivores be more able to form larger groups? They do sort of compete for food as well. Grazing?
brisk mesa
Grazing is one factor but also how their food sources aren't inhibited by their acquisition.
In the common saying, bushes aren't running from you.
Therefore you'll not actually have to eat more bush... after getting bush.
An Allosaurus hunting say, a Para, has to eat even more in one sitting just because it got hit.
Bushes don't run and don't fight back.
So sustaining a larger group's much more doable for them, especially since violence won't solve anything between them
Like, if food's tight w/ your herbi group, hitting eachother just makes things worse
With carnivores it may very well end in cannibalism.
ashen elm
Ah I see, I had forgotten in your proposal hunger drain was dictated by hp recovery. Yes, in that sense you are right that. Though that means carnivores will be getting a lot hungrier possibly more often as well (good and bad in theory).
As for herbivores, I guess it depends on the species. I play Cama and while it's true that herbivores don't exactly try to kill each for bushes, you do have to move around a lot just to feed yourself (which is good!). I just worry that the stamina drain added to this system will make that a lot more difficult on an individual level and thus make herding more difficult. Though this is numbers thing and could be adjusted to fit the concept, thus your 'X' value.
Hmm, I like it in theory but I definitely think this is something the devs would have to play with a lot to test for balance or abuse (though this basically applies to all big suggestions lol)
cyan flame
Stamina drain?
brisk mesa
Stamina loss causses thirst drain
*stamina regen
And the best way to remedy that is to balance idle thirst drain accordingly to how much an animal runs.
cyan flame
Yes that I know.. :p But as for moving around, that's what you got trot for, not .. running, which should be used to either get to somthing, or get away from something. So it wouldn't be affected
brisk mesa
Yeah - that's the key here.
If you sprint around everywhere you need frequent water stops.
If you dont... you won't be affected.
Now ofc some trots are atrocious atm
Don't get me wrong;
but Bryan's said they've gotten love
and after seeing Trex's now trot
Im willing to believe you wont be sprinting everywhere
cyan flame
Well yes, but I think I heard we're getting better ones, so I'm thinking of that, since it makes very little sense that you'd be running around constantly at full speed.. :p
Yes, hopefully!
brisk mesa
Trex's new trot looks gross compared to current ones, and Utah's new trot puts Galli's to shame.
So everything's probably moving fast as hell even when not sprinting around
ashen elm
I see, if trot does get buffed to were mobility-impaired dinosaurs (rip Camara) aren't too badly punished and don't really need to use their stamina as much anymore outside of non-combat situation then that's fine.
valid zephyr
The issue about just carnis being able to become hypers isn't the hypers themselves. It's that fact that everyone and their mother is going to spam carni trying to become a hyper, no matter how difficult it is.
The hypers themselves aren't the problem, it's the carni overpopulation they will cause due to people wanting to be one.
mental sleet
Comrade, you are overestimating Hypers, if Dondi makes them as difficult to acquire as he says, then people will just forget about them.
sonic cloud
Basically gonna be new Dino syndrome for like a month.
After that 90% of players who play carnivore to be a hyper will just fuck off because it’s close to impossible to get one
valid zephyr
we can only hope
rexes are meant to be hard to get, but a single small balance issue makes them an utter joke to grow.
sonic cloud
Devs don’t really care about balance at the moment
safe galleon
@gentle seal what do you mean? there are channels where you can ask questions
gentle seal
sauce?
safe galleon
knotty spindle
Balance comes in once features are actually working good and then it gets tested, devs care deeply about balance but it isnt time for that yet
indigo sun
@gentle seal if you have questions about the game you can ask in #401464048610312195
valid zephyr
@night mountain if you dive from map height boundry you should get re-entry flames like in kerbal.
knotty spindle
Then you'd be well done when you hit the ground 
Like a giant roasted chicken
Well, from map height might be a bit overdone 👀
Sorry, i'm hungry. Time for food now
night mountain
I’m thinking like irl how divebombing birds can chase things off they could never really fight, in game you can’t simulate that since we aren’t actual animals who get spooked but like you can totally make a carnivore run from a pterosaur breeding colony if you aren’t sure if any of them are crazy enough to suicide their gigantic needle face into your eye
knotty spindle
With food spoilage possibly coming to the game, i think there should be balance to prevent food hoarding. Otherwise if you stay in your burrow nothing but utahs or smaller preds that even manage to find your burrow can dig in it to get you out.
Until you need water, but food still needs to be able to spoil :P
night mountain
Would food spoilage even matter really? Most animals will eat rotten shit and be totally fine
knotty spindle
Cerato and maybe some other animals will have that ability
But its been said in the past that you will get sick if you dont have those perks
violet magnet
@gentle seal this isn't your average AFK growing. This is...extreme AFK growing
knotty spindle
I dont think nests will ever be able to be placed in burrows, unless there is something to balance it, maybe some of the new 14 smaller dinos could have ai that go burrow raiding
So you should have one dryo inside to protect the hatchlings in case of such raids, while you go to gather food
Or something
If you dont kill off a whole flock of ai raiders, they might come back again later since they know the burrow location
gentle seal
I think breeding grounds could help with that though. There always would be one dino in the area that would have to fight off raiders, or else their children will be eaten.
gentle seal
there is another
knotty spindle
The isle is a harsh place :)
violet magnet
you said "one dino in the area", what if that one logs or dies?
knotty spindle
If you have your burrow in a well hidden spot then it would be harder to find by ai and players alike
violet magnet
what happens to all the ppl AFK growing in the nesting grounds if that one person logs or dies? Do they start losing hunger at the normal rate?
knotty spindle
No growth in the burrow like how it is now, maybe
violet magnet
derp i think we're having different conversations here
gentle seal
well if they have food, no. The growing should stop when there is no more food, but they will not start losing their hunger meter until the player is active again.
knotty spindle
Well i'm heading out now, so seeya
molten tulip
what if to prevent camping we had natural disasters like flooding or forest fires
gentle seal
maybe an AI routine where someone in the nest will go to supply them every once in a while
"guess i'll just die"
paper oriole
how about ides for map types instead of just "MOAR" @teal marsh
blazing charm
@teal marsh We're going to be getting a new map for the recode, Isla Spero.
And, a remake for Thenyaw, don't have the screenshot or video on hand though.
Also what Clown said, you need to be more detailed.
next nexus
inb4 "desert and snow map"
indigo sun
Ive got the thenyaw
teal marsh
Oh cool!
indigo sun
We're getting those in the recode or slightly after
teal marsh
I was getting to my suggestion. No one gave me time. Lol
indigo sun
As for your egyptian oasis map idea, i'd reccomend waiting for modding for that one. Doesnt feel very fitting for the isle
Or, the pyramid doesnt feel very fitting
indigo sun
I'd like some desert areas in one of the maps but i dont know about a full desert map
teal marsh
Lol. It’d be more of a desert oasis map. lol
indigo sun
Desert, desert oasis, still doesnt feel like a map that would actually offer much. Better to mix biomes than only use one on a map
Like i said though, i'd love some desert areas on spero
teal marsh
Yeah.
knotty spindle
I remember dondi saying during a Q&A on stream or something about multiple biomes becoming a lot easier to put in one map, so hopefully spero/hope will get multiple biomes
besides the ones we're used to
simple maple
If definitely will, we've already seen Coastal, Grassland, and Jungle in the Hope trailer. It's not unfeasible that there would be more options coming
indigo sun
He said they'd do redwoods again too once they made their own assets for it
simple maple
Maybe there will be greater differentiation based on where you are on the map so you can get a really easy way of getting your bearings
paper oriole
that'd be nice if the different biomes had their own weather patterns too like deserts could have sandstorms, coastal could have high tide (not really weather but w/e) grassland could have drought and jungle could have torrential rain
simple maple
Like say, Redwoods could occupy a particular region to the North while there's more Jungle on the South side. And to tie into Clown's idea have the different biomes based on how oceanic weather systems bring in storms like on Hawaii.
ashen elm
I wasn't even sure if islands could even have deserts but it seems like they can. While prob not a true desert, the sandy dunes of the Island of Socotra do mimic the environment very well.
valid zephyr
Hawaii is a good example of tropical islands with arid regions in the rain shadow as well. Can go from jungle to dry in a tiny distance.
night mountain
If we’re being realistic with maps though you’d never have a redwood forest on a tropical island 
still raptor
the rain shadow effect is pretty interesting
still temple
have always wondered why TI never attempted muscle flexing
knotty spindle
it could be on their idea list, but maybe for a later improvement 🤷♀️
or maybe wasn't possible with the current game we have? hopefully it would be for the recode
the current game is so broken and performance heavy that that kind of thing would kill the servers right now I think
but since Dondi's said the recode would be better performing than the game we have now, even with all the improvements, I think this could be a thing they could implement if they wanted to :D
indigo sun
@sterile mica really you shouldn't tag the devs. I get you're thanking him but it's against the rules to tag them
languid crown
Dondi is streaming?
indigo sun
no i think he was on IGP's stream
finite elm
@brisk mesa holy jimolee! These are phenomenal ideas that should be implemented ASAP!