Allo doesn't need to go toe to toe with sucho
#general-feedback-discussion
gusty gyro
slender spindle
allo is a pack hunter
gusty gyro
Cerato, perhaps
abstract juniper
Yes it should
slender spindle
not sucho
slender spindle
with no alt turn it can lol
abstract juniper
The species known as Allosaurus Maximus was estimated to be able to reach 14 meters long or 46 ft long
slender spindle
p.s. i don't play no alt turn
normal river
Allos are in good space i think
slender spindle
yes it was
gusty gyro
The walking animation needs some work
abstract juniper
I apologize if I said stuff that you guys are against but I am a huge dinosaur geek
gusty gyro
And personally I don't like how it's arms are in a weird position when it's ambushing
slender spindle
same
normal river
great hunger time, greater stam regen, greater ambush speed
gusty gyro
^
normal river
great bleed too
gusty gyro
Allo is balanced asf
slender spindle
i with and against you rn fourman
abstract juniper
IRL nature is not balanced
gusty gyro
That's IRL dude
normal river
with easier grow times, its the best dino in the game to play
gusty gyro
We're speaking about a fictional game
normal river
but you forget one thing @gusty gyro
abstract juniper
Then make the growth time longer for the allo and buff it
slender spindle
thats why when sucho is screeming and waving its arms around the allo would run
gusty gyro
Shakey leg?
normal river
this is not real life simulation
gusty gyro
Right
slender spindle
its not balanced and you only have 1 life
normal river
if you see this game story it is basically a gene recreation gone wrong
in this century
abstract juniper
Then they should have Allosaurus Maximus as a different species of dinosaur in this game
normal river
so all dinos are gonna be different cuz they are bred in labs
gusty gyro
It's a subspecies
slender spindle
all dinos are going to be at max size
normal river
IRL Rex can never run at 30kmph š
slender spindle
that means every dino not just allo
abstract juniper
There has been a scientific debate on if the Allosaurus Maximus is a actually a Allosaurus or not
slender spindle
27km/h at most lol for the rex
gusty gyro
I'll post this just in case
normal river
so lets not compare real life stats to this game
slender spindle
this is the isle size chart?
gusty gyro
Yea
abstract juniper
That is Allosaurus fragilis
slender spindle
ok
abstract juniper
The most common species of Allosaurus
gusty gyro
Yea, you're talking about allosaurus maximus
Which we don't need
Is like saying we need tarbosaurus
abstract juniper
Also known as saurophaganax
slender spindle
they will all stay generally the same proportions just bigger
slender spindle
listen allo ingame will never contend with sucho unless its in a pack
thats how dondi has wanted it
sucho to be the mid tier brawler
slow and strong
allo is the all rounder
can ambush and can run down
abstract juniper
this is saurophaganax
gusty gyro
normal river
Except Cerato and Sub giga im not bothered about any carnis right now.. I made a suggestion though related to bulkiness of each dino even in same species. It may be hard to implement but i feel that would bring in lots of diverse dinos
gusty gyro
There's no point talking about it
slender spindle
fourman why are you doing this?
abstract juniper
What?
slender spindle
making something of nothing
abstract juniper
I am a dinosaur geek, it is what I do
gusty gyro
Yea but you should know that allo is fine right now
slender spindle
you say allo can contend with sucho tho
gusty gyro
And we don't need any other allosauru's
slender spindle
allo is getting buffs but so is everything else
gusty gyro
Speedy apex?
slender spindle
carno is the speed apexes
abstract juniper
The unnecessary apex
gusty gyro
Why do you need a speedy apex šš
normal river
IRL may be TRex had ears like elephant.. who knows. so lets enjoy the game that can just bring balance and fun gameplay š
abstract juniper
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
slender spindle
impossible
slender spindle
did you think allo should be the speed apex?
gusty gyro
God don't make me laugh
abstract juniper
Yeah
slender spindle
why?
gusty gyro
dodbsbaab
slender spindle
carno is in the game
abstract juniper
During its time saurophaganax was the apex predator
gusty gyro
Why are you bringing that up??????
abstract juniper
I want saurophaganax in the game, I am willing to bribe dondi so he could add saurophaganax
normal river
they are anyway bringing 14 more dinos, sure there are gonna be some Apex in it. Apexes of their time
slender spindle
allo = sauro but allo =/= apex
gusty gyro
If you want saurophaganax then make the announcement about him
slender spindle
tyrannotitan was the big bad of that time lol
abstract juniper
What?
gusty gyro
You wanted a buff for allo
Now you're wanting a new Dino to the game
So it can be "a speedy apex"
abstract juniper
Saurophaganax > allo
slender spindle
he saying saruo is big allo so allo should be buffed
abstract juniper
Wait
slender spindle
but they are the same thing
abstract juniper
Saurophaganax = apex wannabe
gusty gyro
Wh-
gusty gyro
This is why I don't talk in the Isle discord anymore
abstract juniper
I have a new idea donāt buff allo, add the saurophaganax
slender spindle
no
gusty gyro
I have an idea
slender spindle
its already ingame
gusty gyro
Add tarbosaurus
slender spindle
XD
gusty gyro
Or add irritator
gusty gyro
Let's add oxalaia
abstract juniper
Add the saurophaganax as a skin for the Giganotosaurus
slender spindle
irritator is just bary
slender spindle
add allo as a skin for giga lol
gusty gyro
Yea haha
abstract juniper
Carchadontosaurus is the African version of the Giganotosaurus
slender spindle
don't say they are different sauro is no long its own dinosaur its just allo
abstract juniper
That debate has been raging on for over 20 years
gusty gyro
Yea but you can see that carcha & giga are way too similar than saurophaganax and giga
slender spindle
no its bigger and slower then giga and most likely territorial
where giga was a pack hunter hunting sauropods
abstract juniper
It is still not known if saurophaganax is a allo or not
gusty gyro
.. I'm going to bed
slender spindle
it is it has been confirmed
gusty gyro
I'm gonna have a headache from this
normal river
š gn8 @gusty gyro
gusty gyro
#paleotalk <-
slender spindle
yeah we should
gusty gyro
G'night you two
abstract juniper
It has not been confirmed
valid zephyr
An allo with those stats would utterly invalidate half the survival roster. Cerato, para would become more unplayable than they already are, while it would also run down and murder dibbles and suchos without breaking sweat.
sonic cloud
Classic case of someone asking for their favourite to be buffed without thinking of the consequences.
Itās usually just restricted to apexes
manic ibex
"The allo in the current game is very good"
and then suggest to buff it even more
š¤¦
oblique sluice
Allopocalypse 4
barren zephyr
the biggest crossover since allopocalypse 3
sonic cloud
āPlEaSe BuFf MUH faVouriTe, I CaNt OneSHot EvErYtHinG tHaT moVEsā
outer nebula
@abstract juniper rex takes 6 hours and 20 minutes and giga takes 6 hours and 30 minutes
abstract juniper
it does?
sage helm
Not sure how it makes no sense that if an allo got stabbed through the neck by a thagomizer it dies of blood loss
Tbh it would die of the straight damage
abstract juniper
you are taking my suggestion out of context
sage helm
Then explain it in context
If it gets hit anywhere the allos gonna have pretty bad rest of the day if it even makes it that long
paper oriole
Ahh look another case of "an herbivore can kill me??? I need buff!!!1!"
Look let's just put pool noodles on stego's thagomizers so he can't hurt any more innocent allos
outer nebula
right now allo is the best balanced dino in the game it has a good bite force, good bleed, really good stam
abstract juniper
@paper oriole that is not i was trying to say
wait, now that i think about it, i am alright with the allo as it is right now, but i would like the saurophaganax to be added into the game
paper oriole
Gotta have an idea for a balanced niche in the roster to add a new dino
Those models are expensive to make
paper oriole
It would be a psuedo apex right
abstract juniper
i have a idea, put the rex,giga and spino at tier 6, and put acrocanthasaurus and saurphaganax at tier 5
with out giving the apexes a buff
they dont need a buff
paper oriole
Rex is certainly fine statwise
abstract juniper
my only gripe with the rex right now is that i have to sit down every time a cross a river
paper oriole
Gotta make ideas on how he would differ from acro and alberto and others mechanic-wise
paper oriole
Giga has an amazing trot
abstract juniper
i know
paper oriole
He is an endurance hunter and does very well as it
You can escape rexes at a distance easily
abstract juniper
the saurophaganax could be a cross between the giga and allo
and yeah
though about the allo, personally i feel like it should have a little bit better bleed resistance and a little bite faster so it could outrun a t rex a little better
when the humans come out i am going to main allo and terrorize the human players
paper oriole
That would kinda screw para over, an allo can escape a rex if it doesnt allow one to get close
abstract juniper
they could make the para faster too
and remember the para is ment to be played in herds
paper oriole
Not exactly easy when even the number of rexes on a populated server often outnumbers all herbivores combined
abstract juniper
yeah
i have some ideas on how to limit how many apexes could be on a server but i dont think many people would like them
it is not increasing there growth time
paper oriole
Allo is fine right now, and the only problem with apexes is they are easy to grow
abstract juniper
that would be a bad idea
do you know world of warcraft with how many characters you could have?
paper oriole
Well aside from giga who has a biteforce too big for a bleeder
abstract juniper
i wish the isle could be like that
paper oriole
Yeah i know WoW character slots
abstract juniper
and if your dino dies you could respawn
but there will be a limit on how many apexes could be in a server
paper oriole
Being able to just respawn with no repercussions would kinda deplete the survival aspect we got going
paper oriole
Apexes are way too easy to grow right now, free AI handouts and they just sit in bushes at empty corners of the map. Fixing the tacobell handout afk growth would fix them without the need to put a hard limit on their numbers
Theri is too fast for his strength yeah
abstract juniper
i dont think making them harder to grow would be a good(or fun) idea
paper oriole
He is sandbox tho he'd be completely rebalanced
abstract juniper
the worst herbies are the over aggresive theris
paper oriole
It should be a challenge to get to the top of the food chain
Right now theyre boring to grow anyway
At least force activity onto them
abstract juniper
yeah but your apex could easly taken away by something
paper oriole
Thats population control
abstract juniper
what about making everything easier to grow exept apexes?
paper oriole
At adult stage apexes wouldnt have to worry about other apexes as much as they currently do, because there would be less of them
That wouldnt fix the apex infestation
People would still pick rex because they can hide in a bush and watch netflix
paper oriole
Same concept lol
abstract juniper
either rdr2 or the new modern warfare
they should have a tier between the apexes and the tier 4
paper oriole
There are psuedo apexes which some dinos like theri, sucho and acro are supposed to be in
Sauro would probably be in there if it somehow got in
abstract juniper
that is why i think they should add saurophaganax and other dinos of that calibur
paper oriole
Write up a suggestion for it with unique mechanics and balancing ideas
abstract juniper
i most likley will
sonic cloud
Iām sorry why do we even need saurophaganax, and donāt say ācOz I lIkE iT XDDDā
Literally if you want a cross between Allo and giga you have acro, there is 0 argument for adding saurophaganax when acro is a thing.
If you donāt like that your favourite obscure dinosaur is in the game thatās tough luck
abstract juniper
you could add saurphaganax as a skin for the acro
blazing charm
No you couldn't.
blazing charm
They're anatomy is vastly different, you'd need to give it new animations, hitboxes, etc.
abstract juniper
good point
blazing charm
Alot of effort for a skin, don't you think?
abstract juniper
i was going to say make it a skin for the giga but the giga is a bit bigger then the saurophaganax
blazing charm
Only way Sauro could (not saying it SHOULD) work is as it's own creature.
abstract juniper
i am not saying it needs to be in the isle, i am just saying it would be nice if it was
blazing charm
I understand that.
abstract juniper
i have been a fan of saurophaganax, it sucks that there is no game that you could play as a saurophaganax
viral creek
I think you need to play more allosaurus
blazing charm
I get what you mean, but with the current roster it genuinely seems pointless since it's just a larger Allo/skinnier Acro
By all means, if you can come up with some unique mechanics, go for it and suggest it.
abstract juniper
i am already thinking about some
because if the allo is ment to be used in packs the saurophaganax could be more of a solo dinosaur, its growth time could be from 4 hours to 5 hours
blazing charm
Alright, so how would it compare against apexes then?
abstract juniper
i am still thinking about that
grim oak
Saurophaganax is basically a larger version of the allosaurus
abstract juniper
the way the dinosaurs are now is a bit limiting on how many other dinosaurs you could add
blazing charm
Try not to think about the current state, but what it COULD be like.
grim oak
Besides Dondi said they have 14 unannounced dinos being worked on right now
abstract juniper
i was thinking it could be a slower stronger version of the allo but that is basically a giga
blazing charm
And this is where the problems start to come in.
abstract juniper
yeah
viral creek
The problem with sauro. Is there isn't really a way to fit it in, or is it worth it to. Since it's basically just a larger allosaurus.
abstract juniper
i know
you could copy and paste the allo make it bigger,stronger and slower, alter its look a bit and call it a saurophaganax
viral creek
As a mod, sure. But is that something we really want in the official game?
blazing charm
^
viral creek
Sounds easy, sure. But it would just be a pain in the butt to balance.
paper oriole
It could replace acro as the ambush bleeder psuedo apex but acro looks more unique and is already here so that wouldnt be great
Making a bigger slower allo would be free food for giga or just a clone
viral creek
And nobody wants a new dinosaur that is literally an identical model.
Just confuses people.
abstract juniper
i never said a identical model
paper oriole
Just make magna allo and pretend its sauro lol
viral creek
You just said... copy and paste the allo.
blazing charm
Again, perfect for a mod, not for the official game.
pulsar slate
sorry I can ask a question between putting the new dinosaurs in survaival
indigo sun
Ask in #401464048610312195
Or i suppose you can ask here if its involving a suggestion
outer nebula
saurophaganax is just an allo
crimson phoenix
sauro is a bit bigger, but it's pretty much a styraco vs dibble thing
reskins should either be just mods, or take a back seat to everything else
indigo sun
Why dont people just suggest dlc when the game is finished?
thorn wagon
No we banished the wolf mod and youāre going it more power by mentioning its name.
paper oriole
The broken leg sprint should deal damage to you too lol
stray cloak
Maybe like how running while bleeding makes it worse?
paper oriole
yeah you can attempt to sprint with a broken leg but it damages it more and also disgusting crunching noises because why not
stray cloak
Maybe body carrying speed could be proportional to weight? I mean, you wouldn't really run at full speed anyways when carrying/dragging something
pulsar orchid
@hallow badge
I can't confirm baby-carrying, but I do know that the devs plan on giving juvies better trot speeds and things like that, to at least be able to keep up with parents better than they do now. I don't think your idea of latching on to a utah as a baby utah will be implemented, but it's a neat theory. š
hallow vigil
barren zephyr
2 of u are dissapointing
odd sedge
I don't get it, why there should be a oceanic map/server for the Australian fanbase. Isn't this game somehow international? Yes of course, there is a server for the us and for the eu, but does it really matter, where you play?
sage helm
If a server is hosted in the united states it creates a bad ping for those eho live elsewhere because it essentually takes a longer time ti connect and have info transferred from server to user
The server would have to be hosted closer to where they are if they want better ping
odd sedge
Ok, thanks, but wouldn't it make sense to make a server for each continent? A lot of work, but just theoretically
odd sedge
So it would make sense to make an Australian server, I'd give you that, I don't doubt it at all, that there aren't enough australian players out there
barren zephyr
There actually are, it just doesn't seem that way because none of us play on your servers bc of the ping
It would be convenient and nice if we had an official we could actually play on without our internet committing death
(there's like, one oceanic server out there and it's constantly maxed out. shitty semi realism one tho)
indigo sun
Theres lots of australian players
valid flower
@plain wagon why tf do u want a mating call ?
plain wagon
straight up said for realism servers.
Even on the official server they have no general chat unless you're in the discord, those calls would be useful when you see another dino of your species
sage helm
I feel like that would be a lot of work for something that isnt gonna be used on officials a lot tho
Idk if yiu want to mate the one call and once you get a reply 2 call
Head to each other
And use local
Yea I kust dont know about a mating call
But I would be up for some other kinds of variation like the warning call
Thumbs up from me
valid flower
2 call is enough
plain wagon
I only put it as a little side comment. Iām mostly interested in different warning calls to communicate. I think for many situations for example where you donāt want someone in your space a 3 call is too aggressive itās more like a fight me rather than āyouāre beginning to bother meā
slender spindle
but it you 3 call then you clearly distressed and don't want them near you
but if your a weaker dino then i guess just run away
plain wagon
Idk youāre entitled to your opinion on thinking the calls we have now are enough I just suggested it because I think call variations adds to the play experience. It allows you to ātalkā to other dinos in your area without typing things out. I realize once the recode is out the lore and added humans will make this seem like less of an animal survival game but idk I enjoy that aspect of it so added social cues for dinos would be nice but again I guess thatās me turning this game into something that the devs probably arenāt imagining for their game.
crimson phoenix
I feel a second variation on 3 call would be nice. rn most people interpret 3 call as "I wanna slap you around", but some people use it as "Back off" or "GTFO"
slender spindle
i see it with herbis is a 'stay away' and carnis as 'i want to eat you'
type of deal
timber totem
Even a growl with a teeth show. Something to indicate gtfo without alerting the whole server
Agreed
crimson phoenix
shorter calls or being able to stop your call with an attack would also be good, because rn if you 3 call as a rex whatever your 3 calling will get at least 1 free bite on you
long heath
On board with an amphibious herbivore but I don't think an armored dinosaur is necessarily the best choice.
Just seems awkward to me.
blazing charm
An amphibious herbivore would need to agile and primarily flee focused, unless it's an absolutely giant animal, no amount of armor or "weight" is going to save you from what lurks below.
The idea of a Hippo niche is utterly flawed for this game's ecosystem, since that would imply you are so large or powerful that you have either no or very few natural predators.
I'm fine with Nodosaurs or Ankylosaurus crossing rivers or traversing swamps by walking along the bottom like a Hippo, but the idea of underwater food sources should be reserved for a primary and more adept animal.
lilac swallow
I allways found funny "aquatic nodo so it can scape Rex and giga"
Deino:"ok free food i guess"
blazing charm
Also, just because I know someone is going to bring either of these two up.
Deinocheirus could probably work as a defensive aquatic, only concern I have is it's proposed omnivorous diet leaning too much towards being an inland version of the Spinosaurus, but that's an issue to tackle for another day.
And then there's Lurdusaurus, the main argument for that would be the presence of Thumb spikes, said argument falls apart when you realize it's arms aren't long enough to actually reach any serious attackers without standing up on two legz, which are just as stubby so you end up being completely stationary.
@lilac swallow it's not the worst idea, somewhat of a risk.
lilac swallow
My point is that hippo niche only works if you are more dangerous than any predator on water
Which nodos wouldnt be
hallow badge
@pulsar orchid Thanks for the response, sorry I just saw it now! I definitely like that they're going to make juvies have better trot speeds! But I just wanted to put out the idea because it sounds like it could be a fun gameplay mechanic haha!
blazing charm
@lilac swallow Oh of course, Hippo thing needs to go away, imo
lilac swallow
True
blazing charm
Unless it's like, Deinocheirus or that one prosauropod that was reeeaaally big.
lilac swallow
Exactly
Is forcing a niche on something that doesnt fit when there are way better options
blazing charm
Comparatively you could make an animal like Nodo the "Hippo" among mid tiers, but that is too situational to be viable.
lilac swallow
Specially when the aquatic enverioment is filled with apex and Big mid tiers
Practically sucho is the small tier in water
blazing charm
So the ideal recipe for a semi aqautic herbivore would either be massive with a Hippo mentality OR quick and nimble, sort of a Sea-Iguana niche
lilac swallow
Exactly
When the smaller water animal is the biggest midtier you need to either be a equally masive herbivore or a real fast and small one
lilac swallow
Same
valid zephyr
I suggested the night vision idea so itās more the hippo of nocturnal animals
Trouble with slow mid tiers is theyāre just apex snacks
The āaquaticā part is not meant to be the entire play style.
Considering on land it could fight off suchos and allos
Also if a deino turns up you simply donāt go in the water
wintry cipher
In regards to a "flee based" herb there could be some herbivore that isn't slowed down by running through water with longer legs in order to help it avoid predators. Para might even be built for this. And then aquatic plants just gives another feeding bonus along with risk due to aquatic predators. Something along the lines of a waterbuck.
So you'd want to ambush the herb when they go just a little too far into dense forest outside of their safe zone, and they would have to probably migrate semi frequently if they wanted to stick much more closely to water than land as I could see aquatic plants being slower growing than normal plants
compact coyote
deinocheirus i think would just be that, but then switch water with swamps and mud, make it a swamp monster that eats fish and plants above and underwater. making it less of the hippo as jaffad mentioned
thats just what i want deinocheirus to be, a swamp theri that eats fish and plants, rather than just plants like theri might
and to be fair, a hippo niche is probably impossible for the isle, as being a hippo would require you to be bigger and beefier than any predators around, including land and water. spino is gonna be the biggest thing in/on both, then theres rex giga allo deino and arguably sucho, so yknow. makes it hard to be a hippo if youre being bullied on both land and water, this was why lurdu will probably never really work imo
valid zephyr
The hippo niche wasn't exactly what I was going for tbh. I just used it as an example of an animal that can walk underwater.
hell an armadillo can walk underwater
it's not an apex herbi
or an aquatic
Edmontonia would still be able to fend off suchos as well, which puts most carnivores below it in power.
(assuming apexes won't make up 75% of the server like they do now)
compact coyote
ohh i wasnt saying that underwater walking couldnt work, just that the "hippo niche" couldnt, if nodosaurs walked at the bottom of water rather than swim to cross it thats fine by me
worn grove
Will there be some kind of amphicyons?
blazing charm
@worn grove At this current moment, not very likely, since the Isle is currently focusing on mesozoica or other reptillian creatures.
valid elk
Mesozoic and Cenozoic as far as we know
So, unfortunately, no Gorgonopsids or Brontoscorpio or anything of the like
pulsar orchid
@robust moon I like that idea, but realistically most dinosaurs didn't have the intelligence to go "Oh, my footprints and scent give me away. Let me roll in dirt/mud because it hides it", y'know?
I'd say limit that to the more intelligent creatures, like the Raptor.
I could be wrong, of course!
Though I will say, running through water should mask your scent, whether your dino is intelligent enough to know that or not š
If troodon had something like that, I could see them covering themselves in something like blood to attract predators to take down. Though that's the opposite XD
pale prairie
wouldn't mind seeing something similar to this for deinosuchus.
barren zephyr
pretty sure these dinos have human minds controlling them in the lore tho
so it could work if theyre not too big
pulsar orchid
Oh I have no idea about the lore or where to find it, but if that's true then it'd make a good idea
robust moon
Something as simple as birds or squirrels have tool use, deer know how to mask their scent, so does my dog, i could see dinosaurs able to do it
pulsar orchid
Like I said, I might be wrong
Some animals rely on making their scent as strong as possible while others hide it
robust moon
It would add much needed love to the lower tier dinos and i feel like itād be a good way to make playing other dinosaurs fun again
From a balancing perspective
pulsar orchid
I agree š
Though I think they'll be getting plenty of love, if Dondi is to be believed
robust moon
Iāll see it to believe it
barren zephyr
I feel like rolling in corpses would make you more easily detectable, possibly even glow on scent view. However the mud one could work for masking scent better. The corpse one would be like... Yeah it masks your scent but now you're basically just a walking pile of food
pulsar orchid
That'd be good for things that want that attention though
like a pack lying in wait for a hungry larger carnivore to ambush
abstract shuttle
Looked at a earlier suggestion my only comment being thereās no way in hell is a Utah dragging a Diablo
stray cloak
You saying you never dragged something heavier than you? I certainly have. It's just harder, slower, and takes more energy
stray cloak
Now a Utah dragging a Rex on the other hand would be like trying to drag a car bus
@lament thorn I think like a super slow sucho z walk speed maybe
Maybe slower
lament thorn
just no
stray cloak
Like let them try
My furniture weighs more than me by a lot and I can move it
Like, they should be able to try, but they're really meant to do the tear off a piece of meat and go thing
Pushing it to the shore and no further in water should be fine
barren zephyr
I think the "change your position" suggestion is pretty cool. Buuut it doesn't really contribute anything to actual gameplay, I mean don't get me wrong. Being able to adjust your dinos limbs in a laying position you want sounds awesome, it just isn't useful
valid zephyr
Also I highly suspect the RP docktahs would use it for other things....
barren zephyr
Meh the way I picture it is, you get your default sitting position and you can probably tilt your body slightly and rest your limbs somewhere. Most you'll get with that is people sitting on top of one another, and literally everyone does that anyway
blazing charm
Just throwing my 2 cents about the whole sleep mechanic thing, other than it just being mostly aesthetic. While being blind while sleeping is a way to balance out the healing, such a mechanic would become incredibly abusable if you managed to have 2-3 group members surround you during combat, negating the one real downside to sleep. Plus it would essentially make hunting prey over long distances next to impossible since you could just duck into some trees and have a power nap.
still needle
yeah i would say to many factors come into balancing it and what it should actually do to be worth adding
stray cloak
Maybe not black but a small area of visibly, like bad night vision?
blazing charm
You completely missed the point.
I literally just talked about how the blindness isn't enough to balance the extra healing, now you want to make it so you can actually see something which opens up the possibility of people using it to hide themselves as much as possible, and then just wake up and get the drop on someone going through dense foliage.
stray cloak
Why does it need to be so punished? An additional lengthy wake up animation is pretty punishing as is
Something finds you during that, you might be going right back to sleep
For good
blazing charm
Going to sleep is the most obvious form of "I'm leaving myself open to attack". Such a mechanic would have a super tiny balance between being overpowered or being utterly useless, or annoying.
And again, the extra healing can still be countered if someone has a friend, and they stand guard, basically allowing you to quickly heal up after an encounter.
stray cloak
That's how it should be?
If you have a friend protecting you, of course you're going to be able to sleep now safely
blazing charm
Congratulations, you just made a mechanic that fucks over literally everyone playing solo. Enjoy your turbo-healing prey, hope you didn't rely on long distance hunts.
stray cloak
If it's not going to help you heal faster and recover stam more quickly at cost if being vulnerable, why would anyone do it
Furthermore, it's already like that when trying to attack a group solo
blazing charm
Here's an idea, reserve stamina.
People complain that they want a way to quickly recover, yet consider just managing your stamina or health.
I will admit, it is incredibly annoying how certain creatures take an eternity to heal or regenerate stamina, but that's mostly just poor balancing with the current state of the mechanic, hopefully once new mechanics are in, balance can be revisited and certain heal or regen times changed for the better.
stray cloak
Look, it I'm hunting something and I force it to sit over a long bleed time and following it, I go to town while it's sitting trying to heal. Imagine that for sleep. It doesn't need to be like 2x speed, maybe like 20% faster healing+recovery for being super vulnerable
If they're grouped, that's going to be harder, but a sleeping enemy is going to have a much harder time getting back up to defend itself than a sitting one
blazing charm
Said sleeping animal will probably be untouchable, but at the very least that perioid of safety/protection was longer, and offers a predator a chance to actually take down their target, power naps are just going to perpetuate the meta of tag-team fights.
stray cloak
You aren't going to break up that meta no matter how hard you try
blazing charm
Yes you can, the hell kind of logic is that. "We can't break the meta that is created by shitty mechanics and balance, so I guess we shouldn't try."
stray cloak
Then explain how
barren zephyr
Try lel
blazing charm
I don't need to, the current problems have to do with the lack of collision, locational damage, objectives and the presence of the god-awful weight system.
In regards to combat and power sleeping, different afflictions or status effects could work, maybe varying depending on where you've been damaged, and in a certain way. Something that doesn't make every physical encounter with any creature from the roster feel the same, apart from stat values. That way you can't just run and sit outside the fight with every opponent, what you're proposing for sleep basically negates that because "i hEaL aNd rEgeN sTaM fAsTeR"
Now, i'm gonna just say the idea of a sleep mechanic, a GOOD sleeping mechanic should not be a shortcut around being injured, I went away and did some thinking and have an idea of my own, if you'd just give me a moment to post it in #general-feedback
Not gonna act like what i've offered is a perfect fix, but I personally see it being alot more preferable than power sleeps that magically heal you faster.
Oh shit, another idea.
Hang on, wanna add a little thing. There we go, I feel like people are gonna think the grogginess is a bit too harsh, so feel free to propose your own alternatives, or just take the suggestion as it is, minus the second part.
weak rose
Why cant we go on #550050411470651417 anymore?
still needle
devs on other game were using the info and implementing them into their games in a very bad way
from what i heard
blazing charm
@inland latch Omnivores have been confirmed.
inland latch
nice, i hope deino is one of the new dinos
blazing charm
Can't say for certain, we'll have to wait and see
barren zephyr
@warped harbor good idea but you know it require a tons of new anims tho?
Roar anims are synced with one roar, doing the same anim with only some hissing or something like that wouldn't fit.
warped harbor
Thing is they don't need a new animation.
Every roar is divided into sections that last the same amount of time. Think of layers in an editing program. The roar part of the roar can be disabled at any time and then only the hissing part of it will play, which lasts the same amount of time as the actual roar and was made to be played with the roar, so it probably fits with the animations too.
Tl;dr: the hissing part of the roar is synced with the actual roar, and so it is also synced with the animation.
Besides, they are already planning on making dinosaurs hiss and growl instead of roaring when out of breath, so they probably already have the animation part of that figured out.
barren zephyr
Hmm.
You aren't talking no sense im just saying the roar anim itself would fit with only hissing? Like the same agression anim with only hissing doesnt make sense to me
Like it would be synced with the hissing too, thats okay
But look at the new 3 roar, its amazing and agressive as hell
But that anim wouldnt really fit with only hissing
You arent opening your mouth to 90 deegres to hiss
@warped harbor
warped harbor
The animation part of it will have to be dealt with by the developers
They are already going to make dinosaurs hiss instead of roaring in certain instances
So they will be handling how the animation possibly changes
My suggestion is based around the fact that hissing and growling instead of roaring is already going to be a thing, so I'm assuming they already know how to do that with all the ins and outs, they just could make it so you can manually choose to roar as if you were out of breath so people can't hear you from far away.
barren zephyr
Okay, understood.
barren zephyr
Why would they revert the old version of the game to anything? It's a massive waste of time. it's like asking for updates to fix things now when the recode is on its way
indigo sun
The devs clearly dont want progression anymore. If players want it then they can make it themselves when the dev kit comes out.
plain quest
i kinda stopped playing the isle when it went from sandbox to progression
now its survival i play it alot more
patent spade
from what I hear from players who played during progression days it was an absolute shit show it seems
why bring that back
valid zephyr
personally I loved prog, but it had its faults
smaller dinos and herbivores were common, while apexes were rare
now rexes and gigas outnumber all other dinos combined it seems
sonic cloud
Thatās because the devs caved to the demands of players who wanted a free ride to adulthood.
Once survival rolled around people seemed to have the mindset that they deserve to have an apex, like no if you canāt grow it play something easier.
I get that rex and kin are really popular dinosaurs and so people want to play as one, but it should be earned.
If you canāt grow a rex you donāt deserve it
If you want to make the ecosystem balanced, just make larger animals harder than their worth.
Yeah people would complain but so what, if you canāt handle the heat get out of the kitchen.
Would result in only dedicated players getting to adult with larger animals, which is absolutely fine.
valid zephyr
Thing is if rex is locked off and you need to play another dino like utah first, a player who wants rex may try utah for a bit and enjoy it.
Letting them start as rex, starve 20 times running, then get frustrated due to failing constantly is more likely to make them quit the game altogether.
indigo sun
I like your token system you suggested for that
Better than starting small, finally progressing to abig guy then dying like 2 minutes in and havin to start over
valid zephyr
I tried to get the token system to not lock things out to the degree that prog did.
can play mid tiers straight off
and only need to play herra or something for an hour to get a rex
easily enough time for a new player to realise they enjoy small things too
indigo sun
Also helps new players learn the game before ragequitting cause they cant grow the big guys cause they'll learnhow to survive rather than being dumped in with a hard to grow animal
valid zephyr
people just get annoyed if they can't play rex 24/7
it's sad
I honestly think the the devs could make every dino but rex AI only, and they would only lose about 25% of the playerbase.
it's all most people play
past valve
Survival is way better than prog
valid zephyr
@fathom jetty Bad idea. It would encourage everyone to sit afk sleeping until adult.
fathom jetty
most of the isle players stay afk lmao
safe galleon
that's why it needs to be fixed
fathom jetty
lets say the more u sleep the more u have to eat
indigo sun
Or no sleep affecting growth
blazing charm
That's just going to create a gameplay loop of stopping and starting, not fluent at all.
valid zephyr
personally i'd rather it be the more you move the faster you grow
the more you camp the slower
indigo sun
Actively moving and actually playing the game should reward the player with faster growth
Not sitting in a corner
Encouraging afk growth is a bad idea
fathom jetty
would be cool to see animation
valid zephyr
A rex that doesn't move for its entire growth should take like 9 hours, while one which doesn't stop once should grow in like 4
players should be really encouraged to risk their dino moving around
as currently the game rewards camping and punishes playing
fathom jetty
9h lol
blazing charm
As much as I hate the idea of a sleep mechanic because it just encourages you to sit around, it should only offer an optional boost, something that isn't as substantial the point where everyone wants to do it constantly.
fathom jetty
bruv do u even live
blazing charm
Pardon?
indigo sun
Why not play the game to just get the shorter growth time instead of wasting a server slot sitting in a bush
Seems like a good idea to me
You reward players for playing and they'llwanna do it instead of sitting around
fathom jetty
or lets just say the idea of sleeping is to heal u faster
i thinks this is good idea
blazing charm
@fathom jetty I'm going to assume you're referring to how we, humans in the real world need to sleep. You are aware that we are in a video game, meaning any creatures depicted in this fictional world can ignore the limitations we are burdened with.
In other words, why play a game if you're just going to be held down by the same limitations we have in the real world.
fathom jetty
xd
blazing charm
Not exactly helping your arguement.
fathom jetty
i'm just trying to suggest
valid zephyr
basically what we're saying is there should not be mechanics which encourage you to hide away
blazing charm
I know, and i'm simply discussing your suggestion. I'm being completely civil about this.
valid zephyr
mechanics should instead encourage you to run around and play the game
blazing charm
If a sleeping mechanic HAD to be a thing, it should at the very least reward the player by letting them have MORE time to move around and play the game. Hence why I proposed a stamina pool increase for a good rest.
fathom jetty
you right
but i would like to see sleeping animation thats my thought
at least that can help u to heal faster if u were suffering, hurt, so u can engage instead of camping
blazing charm
Then you create the problem of making long distance/duration hunts impossible.
Since either whatever you're hunting either vanishes and gets away after their power nap, or tagteam matches where opponents rotate in and out sleep.
fathom jetty
Well, you still a free kill while u are sleeping :p
blazing charm
You can bypass that weakness by having a friend guard your body.
safe galleon
and what would happiness do?
potent sonnet
it would ensure you that your dinosaur is living a nice life
safe galleon
how does it affect gameplay?
or just a bar saying how happy or unhappy your dinosaur is?
still needle
it gives you a warm feeling in your heart
potent sonnet
^
cyan flame
Well.. affinity.. but that may not be a thing anymore, otherwise it could work.. :p
potent sonnet
It adds another dimension to immersion.
It doesn't have to be another game changing / breaking stat.
still needle
but for real i dont think sleeping is ever gonna be added all this discussion of it just makes it sound annoying to balance and add 
potent sonnet
Don't tell me you wouldn't want to know if your ingame dino was living a happy life or not
cyan flame
I would like an ingame timer for how long I've been alive, happy or not
potent sonnet
Yes
Cool little stats like that
It might add more of a roleplaying element to the game but that is good for immersion and really getting into it
indigo sun
@wet canyon cool as it may be, you need to have more than that in your suggestion
thorn wagon
Any reasoning on baja aside from āitād be coolā or āit would add varietyā?
Smh nines beat me to it
paper oriole
reacting to your own suggestion 
blazing charm
I mean, first thing that comes to mind is the spikes.
But wasn't that sauropod quite small? It'd be pretty easy to just grapple the sides and slash away.
thorn wagon
inland latch
^
Horizontal cama
still needle
i think it would be an opposite thing for hungry dinosaurs
barren zephyr
That could be abused in combat very bad
blazing charm
@steel quartz Okay, ignoring the fact how that's....so dumb.
Being able to speed up healing in a group is super exploitable, and basically makes the game even harder for players playing alone, any confrontation with multiple creatures would be insanely stacked in the group's favour, and it already is enough.
steel quartz
Its not dumb, its a roleplay mechanic. its also cute to see mommas licking their babies.
And its not instant. the hurt dino has to lay down, maybe the other one too. Its for an after match.
many animals lick their babies, or just grooming. (which is not licking) you choose to turn it into an sexual thing
not everyone just plays this game to kill other people -_-
blazing charm
See, when you add a gameplay mechanic to it, it no longer becomes just a roleplay mechanic.
If there is some advantage to be gained, people who aren't..uh, roleplaying, are going to use it.
safe galleon
maybe it would help affinity (if that is even going to be added)
feral wedge
Name me a bird or reptile that licks their babies. 
barren zephyr
the grey wolf
steel quartz
whats wrong with using it? you need the surroundings to be calm in order to do this. so no short term combat advantage.
blazing charm
Plus, I like how you say this is a mechanic that is supposed to cater to people who don't kill others, yet inheritingly it can allow people to heal and then start killing again faster.
steel quartz
I sads/groom, birds do groom. and you don't know if dinosaurs licked or not. birds are only a small part of the dino's.
and plenty of birds kiss
paper oriole
feathered dinos could preen eachother but the healing boost is ehhhhh
steel quartz
or can heal a herd faster that got attcked. its matter how you look at it.
blazing charm
Everyway I look at it is awful.
paper oriole
if dinos could get dirty in the future preening could maybe give a little affinity boost but no healing
steel quartz
or if you really dislike it then just family grooming.
still needle
licking yourself/others has the same problem as the sleep mechanic
paper oriole
pack of 20 dock utahs sitting in the cage licking eachother
steel quartz
would be cute too if dinos did get dirty and you can be a small ''cleaner dino''
feral wedge
Besides. Yeah you groom those Psittaco quills. With your face.
steel quartz
I wanna see that shit, that is adorable xD
paper oriole
maybe small guys like galli or troodon (if he's really confirmed) could 'clean' big dinos like trike by nipping bugs off of them
but licking is no no nope
cleaning slow big fucks like camara or sitting apexes who dont give a shit
steel quartz
gar, yeah? you know all the crazy things birds can do with their beak. grooming or friendly rubbing for bigger herbs is not a weird thing
paper oriole
having mites nipped off of you could maybe boost affinity and since the dinos who do it are small tier apexes would have little survival reason to kill them unless theyre starving or in murder-mood
blazing charm
It kinda is, when in the context of a survival game.
paper oriole
it does seem a little out of place in a gritty eat-or-be-eaten survival game but it could be an innocent little thing to consider
steel quartz
living is survival. if you dont have the calm things its no different from a death match.
its a game that lets you play as a dinosaur. be a aggressive apex or a nesting utah. all is good.
blazing charm
Being calm can be enjoying the scenery, exploring, etc. It doesn't HAVE to be furry rp. And yes that's what i'm calling it.
steel quartz
I dont know you people play style but a very big part of the players just live and only attack others if there is no ai and they are starving.
the f? furry? now youre just pulling crap out xD
what does this have to do with furries?
blazing charm
animal grooming
roleplay mechanic
what does this have to do with furries?
safe galleon
what would it ad to the game other than more weird rp?
paper oriole
it would inspire more people to post those unsettling utah tongue drooly pics in fan-art
steel quartz
furries is people that dress like an animal and jump around.
what i was suggesting was just snuggling with pack members or babies. because its adorable.
paper oriole
"i was licking my mate during rp the other day and i really wanted to draw it hehe"
barren zephyr
Docktahs already rp too much
no need to encourage them to even less interact with other players
ionic perch
I mean I understand what you mean, but I feel like itāll be used for some kinky shit bro
barren zephyr
it kinda hurts the player count when you have 20 utahs sitting at docks just borking at each other
paper oriole
imagine walking into docks and seeing a utah-centipede lick chain happening in the big cage
steel quartz
this for crying out loud xD
paper oriole
that's a mammal
steel quartz
not this???
barren zephyr
Yea
paper oriole
oh lawdy
barren zephyr
Lizards =/= mammals
last heath
lizards =/= dinos
paper oriole
find me a monitor lizard or eagle licking their babies
last heath
:D
steel quartz
goddam it! you are a hard audience
barren zephyr
not licking
paper oriole
^
still needle
those are like love birds also that form like super intense bonds we dont have those in the isle
steel quartz
well i dont have f photograph of a para licking its baby
blazing charm
Remember, the Isle's animals are not only controlled by players, but I believe in a lore context they have the subconscious of a human being.
still needle
we have killer lizards that tear eachother in half for the fun of it
steel quartz
okay forget the ass licking. grooming damnit
blazing charm
They aren't normal animals.
barren zephyr
also TI is supposed to be horror/survival
ionic perch
Would it lick itās baby though?
barren zephyr
not rp
steel quartz
the isle is RP. you can have servers more focused on fighting and other more for chilling.
blazing charm
Ya know, if it's for RP, why not just, y'know...pretend?
lament thorn
pretty much any type of grooming happens between creautres with fur/feathers
blazing charm
Or mods even.
barren zephyr
@paper oriole troodon is 100% confirmed
indigo sun
Realism servers who focus on roleplaying could always mod it in
Whenthe dev kit's back
last heath
^
paper oriole
maybe, maybe when feather system is in, the feathered dinos can maybe, probably not but maybe get a preening option at the very most
thats a cartoon
cyan flame
Well, we're JP based, that's a story/movie.. :p
blazing charm
xD I'll prove you guys wrong with a cartoon
paper oriole
okay here we go let's have a hatchling carry mechanic except instead of carrying them we bap them around with our tongue like baby hockey
thats a better idea
steel quartz
it was a joke.
but im all in for carrying babies. or smaller dino's hitching rides on bigger dino's
last heath
also, animating costs money and time
blazing charm
NO, NOT THIS AGAIN.
last heath
so, is it worth it? for something someone is gonna mod in anyway?
blazing charm
We JUST stopped with this baby carrying shit
cyan flame
?
steel quartz
eh? whats wrong with that?
blazing charm
It makes it stupidly difficult for any juvenile to be preyed upon, it's better to allow Juvenile creatures to actually keep pace with an adult on their own.
steel quartz
i would love to grab my babies and run away to safety. or bring to food.
carry small prey etc
steel quartz
then not carrying juvi but hatchlings. we said baby
blazing charm
I mean, that's debatable I suppose.
paper oriole
being able to carry a single egg or hatchling at a time if your herd or pack needs to relocate could work
just no juvies
steel quartz
why can you be against that. hatchlings dont give much food and the mother wont be able to bite you when she carries it. a win for you
blazing charm
I'm just considering if and how such a mechanic can be exploited.
lament thorn
juvies making you an easy target/less effective is kinda the point tho
steel quartz
if it would allow juvi too then you can nerv it with making the mother a lot slower and also unable to attack back. that is balanced in theory. mother would be more temped to fight or leave the juvi
(because juvi is heavy)
steel quartz
okay, my opinion is just carrying hatchlings. but IF for some reason they implement juvi carry. that would be the mechanic to balance it. the attacker wont have a disadvantage.
lament thorn
having the adult lose and/or not gain stam while also meaning they are slowed down and cant attack could balance it?
but speeds are getting reworked anyway so juvies will be able to keep up with parents better
indigo sun
Juvies wont need to becarried so its not much of a point to bring that up
steel quartz
its so moms cant pick up juvi and run away from pred. that was the balance thing.
carrying a hatchling would not incapacitate your mobility, only block you from biting untill hatchling is dropped.
steel quartz
(i said, its a what if scenario, i dont agree in juvi carry)
yeah you would crunch the baby xD
indigo sun
Bite down with a baby in your mouth to kill them instantly and leave behind a meal for whatever is chasingyou so you can get away
still needle
geko ability on dinosaur when
last heath
friend: ''shit, they will get us!''
me: yeets child
barren zephyr
@steel quartz suggest vore
steel quartz
usually hatchlings dont count as body down.
barren zephyr
waiting on it
paper oriole
body down rule is big garbago anyway
steel quartz
as a perverted person my self I must say. the fuck
paper oriole
i want an ability to grab babies in my arms as dinos like herrera, allo, galli and utah and fucking yeet them into a river
or kick eggs out of a nest as galli
barren zephyr
wdym. you seem like the kind of person who would suggest vore for rexes
steel quartz
dont think they could grab babies with the ''arms''
its more like crocks do.
barren zephyr
lol what
barren zephyr
crocs dont grab babies with their arms
paper oriole
utah has gotta use his new wrists for something
barren zephyr
they do so with their mouths
steel quartz
I was trying so hard to have cute take suggestions. but you guys are turning it all bad. š
paper oriole
i want to run up to a rex nest, grab one of its hatchlings in my hands as a galli and throw it off a cliff in fron of its helpless parents
barren zephyr
dinosaur licking roleplay is not cute, i repeat, dinosaur licking roleplay its not cute
cyan flame
According to you at least ^^
barren zephyr
sh-
paper oriole
im gonna have nightmares of utah licking chains now
cyan flame
That sounds like something you need to sort out with your own mind :p
last heath
utah centipede
steel quartz
I know crocs dont cary babies in their arms. but in their mouths. the dino carrying wont be able to bite cuz it will crunch the baby
steel quartz
okay then if you want to be like that
you have to send a mating call, then crouch down on a laying dinosaur and teabag untill shes pregnant! only than you can nest
paper oriole
nononono
cyan flame
I wouldn't mind hatchling, even juvie carrying, I doubt it would be hard to still hunt juvies, it should be pretty okay, besides, most juvies would probably not have parents in the first place, unless nesting really is useful and not just a way to get your friends grouped up/the tag thing for mercs
steel quartz
dinosaurs need to poop and spray to show dominance!
paper oriole
make apexes suffer a MiLd DiArRhEa
steel quartz
when they eat bAD RIBss
paper oriole
don't drink the maia milk or you will suffer a mild diarrhea
safe galleon
what did I return to...
steel quartz
you people made me into this......
paper oriole
cyan flame
No idea Gilbert.. but it's what we get when people can't take suggestions seriously and seem to .. have personal issues that they haven't quite sorted out :p
steel quartz
untrue. males should mate too to show dominance!
indigo sun
God the person who made that sounds like an incel
steel quartz
I was going for a cute family snuggle time. they turned it into a utahcentipede bukake
safe galleon
UWU snuggles up next to you and licks you
indigo sun
"I 2 called and crouched to show the female i was friendly but she went for the chad cerato who had food"
paper oriole
i lick ur thigh, u 2 call
steel quartz
hahaha
cyan flame
I mean.. if that's your first thoughts when you read a suggestion then.. like I said, sort out your personal fetishes would you, maybe you're trying to supress your true desires or something.. :p
paper oriole
it's just the obvious main use this mechanic would end up having, just facts
utah lick orgies
and uwu RP
cyan flame
I doubt it to be honest :p
steel quartz
if youre talking about me I am not. i was truly feeling family friendly at that moment
but now I dont care. would be fun to see a spino charging at you and then a big tongue fall down a starts to lick you xD
safe galleon
maybe that was your intention but people would still use it for... other stuff
cyan flame
Sounds terrifying.. :p
Seems like a strange argument, most things can and probably does get used by someone in some manner that is questionable..
steel quartz
tongue drops deceased
lol
yeah, been humped a lot by every predator when i was nesting.
I'm a black dilo in the bottom being teabagged
paper oriole
imagine being on a server that prohibits hunting nesting dinos
safe galleon
what game is crouching not used for teabagging tho
steel quartz
they were allowed to hunt me if they were hungry. but they were nice.
wide jolt
'nice'
wet canyon
@indigo sun @Deinonychus65 Iām really sorry Iām new to this thing and my dumb butt didnāt know that was a thing, Iāve never made a suggestion before and as you can tell Iām kinda slow, sorry & now I know.
And yeah I think bajadasaurus could be abused in combat
indigo sun
Its all good, just add a little substance to your suggestion and you'll be golden
slender spindle
@paper oriole i agree 100% although i see microraptor fitting this role perfectly gliding from tree to tree then maybe a trike or cama inorder to eat the mites and this can give both parties a affinity boost (if the herbi gets nothing out of it i just see the herbis killing microraptor for fun) and food for the microraptor
nice suggestion
paper oriole
š
slender spindle
@jolly spear i do believe that spino will be getting a primary arm attack and the bite as secondary idk 100% just from what i can gather but the arms won't be effective on other apexes from what dondi said so i imagine anything thats not an apex will have a 0% chance to kill a spino at adulthood but trex or giga can kill it
indigo sun
No rodger i do believe its the arms that will be most effective and the bite not as useful against other apexes
slender spindle
hmmm it was one or the other not too sure
i thought he said the arms won't be effective or along the lines of that
and a weak bite so the arms were the best source of damage
but ah well
indigo sun
The arms are most effective and if you take away those its kinda screwed is what he said iirc
barren zephyr
@marsh yarrow Pounce will be coming back
barren zephyr
first of all
adding the replay system back will cause problems
because YEAH we just want people to run around with fucking mom's camera on a quest to get someone they don't like banned from the server
right?
trying to get people in trouble rather than playing the game
because... its the player's job, not the admin's job
still needle
i like the idea of a quiet walk but i think it would just be the normal walk
jagged moth
sounds like someones got issues lol
like yeah that could be an argument against replay but honestly theres more pluses than negatives
like if theres no proof of who broke rules & potentially made you lose progress because of that, whats the point of servers with rules anyway
thorn wagon
Plus, the whole āpeople can abuse this to find othersā is kinda mitigated by the fact that with the smallish render range replays have, by the time you safelogged, gotten into the replay, found them, exited, and logged back on; whoās to say they havenāt left by then.
barren zephyr
Anyone seeing this guy in the suggestions ?
valid zephyr
yep saw that one
barren zephyr
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limpid dove
Just because you're impatient doesnt mean you get to beg for recode to come out just because you want it to. That's not how it works. You can dream about it but when you make a suggestion like that, it's just rude. It's not even funny.
peak oasis
It's been taken care of. Back to suggestion discussion please.
burnt fern
late to the party but
dinos licking wounds to stop bleeding isnt creepy, its science and you're not a human, you're a prehistoric animal :/
blazing charm
@burnt fern It's heavily implied that within the game's lore, you are a dinosaur with the mind of a human being.
Although I can't say for certain, but that's what the current "clues" point to.
indigo sun
these arent prehistoric animals, theyre experiments
blazing charm
That aswell.
Also it's still weird when it's an action being performed between two players.
burnt fern
i get how it can be made weird in a certain context but from a strictly animalistic point of view, itd be an awesome way to support your team, build immersion and maybe build affinity by bonding with other members of your species
like, crouching can be made weird in a certain context but nobody says crouching shouldnt be in the game because utahs are humping everything in a mile radius dead or alive
warped zealot
For a farther back suggestion
The game shouldn't be based around servers with rules. Nor should it have to cater to those servers. Ideally, they need to balance the game in such a way that rules aren't necessary
There's also outside recording options besides replay ā„ļø
violet magnet
but how are we supposed to get awesome cinematic screenshots without the replay system??
NOT EVERYONE HAS ADMIN PRIVILEGEESSSS
also dinosaur sticking system when
woeful pasture
Dinosaurs licking wounds would be a cool animation if you were sitting down while bleeding, but i dont think there should be a button you press to stop bleeding, otherwise that defeats the purpose of bleeding
mossy horizon
Or just you know, make dinosaurs walk backwards...
night mountain
Could most dinosaurs even physically stick their tongues out
I canāt picture a licking animation for a Rex or trike or something without it looking ridiculous
violet magnet
heck can birds
night mountain
No
violet magnet
parrots use their tongues as a third hand for manipulating food/objects and penguins and geese have tongue teeth, but...for licking?
violet magnet
"bae c'mere lemme lick u"
mossy horizon
night mountain
Make gigas lick make the bleed worse
gusty gyro
I can't imagine being licked by a goose
barren zephyr
@modest bay Which wiki? The inaccurate one or the inaccurate one?
modest bay
valid zephyr
Does that guy realise apexes can just turn around if a utah bites them right?
They don't need some assbite attack.
Unless it's a no alt turn server, which is irrelevant for balance and soon to be removed.
indigo sun
Stricker they legit cant do shit to the current game right now so the most youre gonna get is a dev coming on and playing as a strain. They deleted like all the old shit and are on a different version of their engine so "small quick little update to make strains not encrypted" or whatever just wont happen
slender spindle
which is the accurate wiki?
indigo sun
Neither
slender spindle
ah ok
thought so
"Which wiki? The inaccurate one or the inaccurate one? " messed me up lol
indigo sun
Both wikis fuckin suck cause apparently neither of the people who update them understand jokes and arent up to date on anything happening
Legit one said tarbo was being modelled
warped harbor
Dawndi
indigo sun
Also like, what a shitty way to start a suggestion
"I know you hate people and all and dont give a shit"
warped harbor
Barely passable as a suggestion
barren zephyr
Also wierd flex with the entire wiki thing
warped harbor
"Hey I know they are not done, but I would like to play with those unfinished things, so release them"
sonic cloud
Suggestion etiquette 101:
Insult the people youāre making a suggestion to, while hoping that it increases the chances of your suggestion being implemented
indigo sun
Fuck you, do things for me because i made an inaccurate wiki
sage helm
Hmmmmmmmmm
Alright sounds good
But I only serve those who have the most inaccurate wikis
wintry cipher
@timber totem carnivores crouch and walk at the same speed and volume as normal walking. The "quiet walk" is already in. Just walk away. That's the purpose of walking; to be quiet and leave very few tracks
blazing charm
Baryonyx suggestion with no new proposed mechanics, just cerato but it can fish.
Man, times have changed. Back when I first tried, I got told I needed to have mechanics, and now apparently just having different stats with a "niche" is apparently enough again.
valid zephyr
I assume it's because most people have heard your arguments for bary and agree with them, so when another bary suggestion comes round they just auto upvote.
blazing charm
@civic bloom If you want to suggest a creature, offer actual substance. Memey suggestions like that are against the rules, and not helpful at all.
civic bloom
aw ok 
indigo sun
Damnit jaffad, beat me to it
blazing charm
I can sense shitty suggestions from 5 miles over.
@glossy matrix Yes you can, but suggested animals require some substance to them, offer a reason to add them outside of "I like X"
indigo sun
@glossy matrix literally the same shit as with dino suggestions, you need more than "buff this thing pwease"
glossy matrix
I posted a suggestion, buff acro was just an addition. Are you asking me to provide new stats for acro?
blazing charm
So, what unique aspects would Megalo have? Because to me this seems to just be Allo, but worse.
thorn wagon
Tfw megalo is more basic Allo
blazing charm
Like, there's no mechanic or gimmick offered.
barren zephyr
@indigo sun I donāt know much about that dinosaur but I read it over and I agree.
indigo sun
Im glad you agree
blazing charm
That's not too bad, certaintly better than most suggestions. Though i'm personally not a fan of Deinocheirus eating terrestial meat.
Makes it lean too much towards being a carnivore imo
indigo sun
Just a possibility if something is dumb enough to get close and not run or it finds something between water sources, but I see where you're coming from.
blazing charm
I understand, but considering how much of a juggernaut Deinocheirus is, and the last thing we need is something that large eating meat and owning the waterways.
To me, it'd just turn into mainland Spinosaurus.
compact coyote
^
indigo sun
Fair enough
blazing charm
Also, I think something that should be worth considering is a unique form of fishing.
compact coyote
i would disagree a lot with deinocheirus eating meat, id say it would stick to just plants and fish it can swallow whole
blazing charm
While I know it's been said there will be two types of fishing, it could give Deinon that extra push.
indigo sun
Edited it
woeful pasture
@valid zephyr I kinda forgot about alt turn. I guess its been a very long time since ive been able to alt turn as a rex
valid zephyr
Ah that would explain it. Remember with the new movement system, all dinos can turn on the spot.
oof quite a few downvotes on the cherry suggestion.
honestly what do people want as an animal which can eat water plants?
Cherry, semi aquatic nodosaur, and semi aquatic para all received pretty mixed reactions.
is there any water based herbi people will accept?
Also as omnivores have been confirmed, would be nice if people could suggest alternate large omnis rather than just shoot cherry down.
indigo sun
If the people who downvoted the suggestion could tell me what they didnt like about it maybe i could fix it or find a better animal but alas, they just leave a thumbs down and walk away. No feedback, no saying what was wrong with it
slow stream
I want my fucking cherry in the game, nobody ain't changin' my mind
it's a really good idea due to the fact that it'll fit as an apex-omni and the first semi-aquatic animal that isn't carnivorous
plus it adds another gameplay experience
valid zephyr
It fills two roles at once. Animal which can eat water plants, and large tier omnivore.
still needle
that cosmetic stuff sounds more like a sandbox thing
why would my baby dinosaur just spawn with scars all over and broken horns
in sandbox you start as an adult so it would make more sense i guess
would be cool though
paper oriole
scars should randomly form after you heal from serious wounds
so you can see a player with scars and see how he's won many close fights
cyan coyote
tbh thats a really good idea
make your dino look more unique and show how experienced you are
paper oriole
might make people pick fights a little more carefully too lol
paper oriole
different injuries and scars for puncture wounds, scratches, bites would be nice all around
cyan coyote
like if you get bit by a rex or giga you get something thats a unique wound from them
paper oriole
on corpses too
cyan coyote
yeah
paper oriole
so you can see a corpse with slashes on it and determine if it was a theri or spino or something
also wounds for blunt trauma like bruises
cyan coyote
custom wounds in general would be a good addition
it would be cool if you could have better ways to display how hurt you are too other then a bloody screen or a couple of scratches
patent spade
@paper oriole is that not also a thing we could do in this channel? and are you talking about the guy whining about stuff in feedback? lol
indigo sun
We're apparently only supposed to discuss suggestions in here
paper oriole
right now isle discussion is the only place to talk to them really, and it can be inconvenient when theres other stuff going on i there
ashen elm
rip anyone reading my recent suggestions. Sorry I'm in the vacation break between my classes and got too used to writing essays weekly lol. But any feedback would be appreciated, even if it's a long-time till we get any post Isle 1.0 content.
timber totem
@wintry cipher Z walk still makes loud thumps, though. My suggestions is a creep walk
paper oriole
do not, do NOT take theri's glorious feather duster
woeful pasture
Yes I dont understand how someome could be evil enough to remove the feather duster
ashen elm
<.< It's doesn't seem likely to have actually had it. It's asking to get stuck in branches and vines which = death if you need to get away. Only flying birds can get away with elaborate tails. But the Isle never said it was for realism I guess. š¤·āāļø I could see it having a turkey or peacock fan of feathers though.
paper oriole
Aesthetic, it looks better with them
That picture looks like a demented goose penguin
ashen elm
"demented goose penguin" as if Theri isn't already that? 
slender spindle
saying theri's not demented is like saying all the dinos in sandbox are balanced
i mean have you see a theri ingame
god damn
they want you deader as road kill that got hit by a truck
indigo sun
@slow jay theyre rebuilding the game. Just be patient til theyre done
slow jay
Ok dad
barren zephyr
@slow jay I agree 100%
slow jay
Yes
barren zephyr
Ty dad
narrow viper
Get outta here you kids
woeful pasture
Why would para's Z walk be faster then its normal walk?
paper oriole
they mean make its trot have the all fours animation i think
valid zephyr
@civic bloom delete that in suggestions. This is where we discuss them.
paper oriole
male role in nesting is coming, that's why patriarch is listed on nests (but currently not functional)
blazing charm
You are aware future nesting will probably require two partners?
indigo sun
To be fair, this could come along with requiring two partners, probably minus the 10% gestation/incubation increase though
paper oriole
it'll probably need a male, not just give a bonus which would kinda still have males being useless
indigo sun
You partner up with someone, then, assuming that both parents have to be involved in the actual nestmaking itself somehow, no other dino could come in and do that than your partner
blazing charm
Also imagine upvoting your own suggestion.
paper oriole
valid elk
Anyone wanna talk about mine?
indigo sun
Isnt much to it. Though i doubt deino will be using the land one much
indigo sun
Yeah but this croc is gonna need to stay in the water pretty often. Just feels like it wont be utilized very much
barren zephyr
I see more of an ambush being able to be charged in water, and it will still affect you if you come out of the water, not a very good video of what I mean but I'm sure you could picture it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEOut250KQA
woeful pasture
crocodilians dont ambush on land, they ambush in water. They may have to crawl on land for a few seconds but the ambush always starts in the water
valid elk
Baby/teenage gators can gallop
woeful pasture
so your saying they have a land ambush until adulthood then they can only ambush in the water?
valid elk
I was thinking a slower ambush for adults
woeful pasture
well thats what ur suggesting?
well it would probably be more like the babies have a faster sprint, but neither of them can ambush on land
i would love them to add the desert map back or just make a new one
indigo sun
Desert map was a mod iirc so youll have to wait for modding
barren zephyr
That's what I was saying, it would start in the water
pulsar lake
@slow jay do you know what is going on with the game?
It's a complete rebuild from the ground, they can't make any updates for the moment. They are remaking the all game from 0 to make it stables, optimized with true gameplay and new mechanics.
Just watch Ravenous' videos to know what I'm talking about or take a look on dev streams or clips.
I love your server and YouTube channel but if you act like that it would bother me a lot š
barren zephyr
But all because crocs are big doesn't mean they can't be pretty fast when they want to be
If anything, if they did have an ambush on land, I see it being a very short burst of energy
woeful pasture
not bc they're big, bc they have tiny legs lol
paper oriole
is it just me or was that suggestion painful to read
slender spindle
the tail attack one?
yeah i feel like i have lesser IQ after reading that as well
brittle bough
i wouldnt mind a tail check on some dinosaurs but just.. good lord lmao
paper oriole
Tail checking is fine but not removing alt turn lol
That runon sentence almost gave me a stroke
wise warren
Swiping the tail would mess up their center of gravity and likely cause them to fall. It would be so much easier to just... turn around..
paper oriole
Some dinos could make use of a tail check, definitely not all lol
wise warren
I had to read it 4 times and I still canāt understand, that is what they were suggesting right?
Yea some, but a Rex tail swiping a Utah would be odd
paper oriole
Theyre suggesting removal of alt turn in favour of just tail checking assriders
wise warren
Yea no
paper oriole
A rex would just turn around or step backwards lol
Tail check would make sense on spino maybe since it can bend down more to get balance, rex would probably stumble
slender spindle
i also doubt spino would, in any therapod its just too much effort for a utah that shouldn't be trying its luck in the first place
and steping backwards sounds better then tail checking
if emus can i'm 80% sure a rex or spino can
last heath
remember lads, use commas and periods. wall of text are hard to read
indigo sun
@hasty bronze too late. Alt turn's been included in basic movement so theres no removing alt turn. You just turn to turn in place with the new update
slow stream
Good luck utah mains xd
proper eagle
Would we be able to have a new trailer once recode is finished š¤
indigo sun
Not the place to ask this question dude
wintry cipher
@slow stream the real mains are going to have a fuckload of fun showing we're more skilled as a team than randos ;)