#general-feedback-discussion | The Isle Official Discord | Page 522

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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Shit happens in survival

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Speed isnt always the deciding factor xD

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There's soooo much than can happen

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 3:23 PM

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you just got to prepare for anything

civic sky Nov 7, 2019, 3:36 PM

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That fast trot speed is what screws over para to begin with, no para ever escaped me as giga. Not one. Even when they saw me coming.

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 3:37 PM

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You just gotta track em

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Which is easy

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 3:38 PM

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i have escape many giga as a para its not hard just got to figure what most players do

civic sky Nov 7, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Like someone said earlier though, it’s not just one dino that gets effected.

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You make a fair point Doc, perhaps I haven’t met that one para yet. Though I’ve hunted lots

indigo sun Nov 7, 2019, 3:41 PM

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@barren zephyr why though? You kindagottahave morethan "do x"

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 3:41 PM

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Pretty sure the way spino will be is the player chooses right?

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If they want to be more terrestrial they can

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But if they want to be more aquatic they also can

indigo sun Nov 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Dependson the player,yeah

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Dont know if my info is wrong tho

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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its both

indigo sun Nov 7, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Dondi said he wanted the playerto choose

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 3:43 PM

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Alright thats what I thought

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:40 PM

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@daring cape that's exploitable af

daring cape Nov 7, 2019, 5:41 PM

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why should it be exploitable?^^

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:41 PM

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it shouldn't be, it would be

mental sleet Nov 7, 2019, 5:42 PM

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Any type of damage, including a little shitty juvenile, can stop you from logging out.

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:42 PM

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you know how many people would use shit like dryos to hold peoples dinos 'hostage' and prevent them from safelogging

mental sleet Nov 7, 2019, 5:42 PM

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You will be griefed.

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:43 PM

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there was a much better suggestion regarding safelogging done before, i feel like people dont stop and think for a second with their "any damage resets logout timer" ideas

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📎 Screen_Shot_2019-11-07_at_12.44.16_PM.png

daring cape Nov 7, 2019, 5:47 PM

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as an example: dino 1 is already logging and dino 2 is hitting him multiple times .. there is still no punishment for dino 1 and he can log off

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:48 PM

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thats what that suggestio says yes

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but if you take damage and then open the menu to log like a pussy you get 20 seconds added

daring cape Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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he is describing a process before starting the logout-thing

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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This reminds me of an old suggestion

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Lemme see if I can find it

daring cape Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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his idea isnt bad, it will help for sure

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Ah here we go

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/557661586517524480/617186523032584192/image0.png

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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for non bleeders i suppose there could be an amount of time, maybe 10 seconds, where if the victim opens the log menu the 20 seconds will be added

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Your suggestion and this suggestion sound good in theory, but can easily be abused

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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lmfao

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that one is baaad

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:49 PM

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Oh yeah, that suggestion.. xD

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:50 PM

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oof

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i remember that one

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imagine losing a 3+ hour growth to a -30 dryo because of either of those safelog mechanics

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Here's the thing Porz, you can't prevent someone from logging, what if you find me and I got 5 sec left, I'm about to log and leave to do irl stuff, what then?

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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Like, if any type of “unable to log” or “timer reset” suggestions get put in place you’ll legit just have squads of dryos, gallis, or utahs that run around nipping people and literally keep them from logging out

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Gotta go to work? Too bad there’s a dryo pecking your trike for 2 damage

thorny zinc Nov 7, 2019, 5:51 PM

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It would be enough if you just reset the timer if you get an x amount of % dmg at once. So that a dryo can not annoy a rex or whatever.

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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And then what level do we set?

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What's the "right" size/damage?

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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would probably just be best to not halt somebody's timer if they opened it before an attack

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Because if it's too high, you can already kill someone trying to log, and if it's too low, we get the same issue as we have

thorny zinc Nov 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Not true. If youre hunting someone down and youre about to catch him and he just opens the menu right before you hit him.. its just not right either way

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:52 PM

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maybe the timer can be increased if dinos your tier or higher are nearby who aren't grouped

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but not halted

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Ok but then they have to get however much the logout timer is before you kill them

daring cape Nov 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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@cyan flame i get your point, but there shouldnt be the possibility to safe your process while being in any kind of fight. Thats some kind of food denying too

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:53 PM

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Problem is that you kind of can't get away.. what if you see me hiding and I log just before you reach me

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Not knowing you were coming for me?

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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if you can't kill somebody in the minute it takes to log you should hunt something else

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:54 PM

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And then there is that yes.. no matter how you look at it, at some point you'll have to sacrifice someone being able to get "away" vs forcing them to stay and potentially fight

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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if you have soebody bleeding and they run to safelog the timer would be increased

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but if you see somebody logging and decide "i wanna be a cunt" then no

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Would work, since you got the first hit, thus have engaged combat, vs not having hit them at all

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:56 PM

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and if they manage to run off and hide and safelog with that increased timer then they pretty much earned the escape if you cant track them down in that time

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following bleed trail aint hard

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Or managed to hold off until bleed was healed and you didn't get a new hit I guess?

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 5:57 PM

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yeah either one

valid zephyr Nov 7, 2019, 6:01 PM

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Some fights can drag on for extremely long periods of time as well. Sometimes a player simply has to go.

Stopping them from logging would screw over players which actually have busy lives.

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 6:08 PM

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Sorry I’m late to work boss this dryo just would not stop pecking me

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:10 PM

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xD

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I mean, as far as excuses go.. :p

valid zephyr Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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If you can't kill somthing in an entire min of it not fighting back then tough shit imo.

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You shouldn't be fighting it in the first place.

lilac swallow Nov 7, 2019, 6:11 PM

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1 entire minute of biting spam and is not dead? Guess that was out of your reach

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:16 PM

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What about bleeders

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Bleeders are damage over time

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As in over one minute

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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It depends on the size of the bleeder I would say

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Even spam biting wont do the trick

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Well

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Dilo size

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Say a dilo biting an afk sub rex

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Or one trying to log

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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And the prey size I guess, but Im pretty sure a dilo can spam bite things a bit bigger, especially in a group

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1v1.. probably not, but two of you, vs something not fighting back for 40 seconds, yeah, it'll die

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:18 PM

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It takes a dilo 44 bites to kill an allo with straight damage

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And its easy to solo them when they are moving

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Yeah, and you have more or less that time, now if you got a partner, even better, and dilo at that bites fast

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:19 PM

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True I guess

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But there is also the time you wasted before you realized they were trying to log

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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This really is only an issue with dilo vs apexes ater all :p

valid zephyr Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Also a dilo should not be soloing allos tbh.

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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But they can

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Easily

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Well, that can be and I think will be fixed, and of course the fact that you dont log when the timer is out, which should be fixed too

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yea

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:20 PM

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But if we're talking damage, you could calculate it and let me know

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I might be wrong, I don't recall the numbers exactly

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:22 PM

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Or I could just look at the stats spreadsheet

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Still need to calculate it I think

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Calculate what

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:52 PM

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A dino should chose a territory because there is already good prey in that area not so that more prey will spawn there

lilac swallow Nov 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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Honestly you can have a territory without a territory mechanich

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:53 PM

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^

lilac swallow Nov 7, 2019, 6:54 PM

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"from this forest to this lake its my territory and im killing everyone who enters"

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Boom you know have a territory without needing a mechanich

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 6:55 PM

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^

wintry cipher Nov 7, 2019, 7:16 PM

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An animal that has a territory only really has one advantage over rivals anyways: they know the land better. Doesn't mean they will get protections against Invaders. The strongest are the ones who can stay in a spot for a decent period of time. The survivors move when they know they can't beat something and come back later when they can. The stupid? Die. Simple as that.

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 7:17 PM

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Why should we buff people who dont want to move and just want the territory for increased ai? Simple we shouldnt

lilac swallow Nov 7, 2019, 7:18 PM

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As i said earlier, no need of a mechanich to do something we can already do

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I dont understand why people want to make territory, i understand the pack buff, to be honest i would like to give a reason for people to group up but the territory things shouldnt really a thing, especially if ai would spawn more in the territory that would give a reason for players to be lazy and want to stay in one location

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Because it makes sense to stay in an area, you find a good area that has what you need to survive, why wouldn't you want to make that your territory and remain there? Not sure we need a mechanic, but that's how I play, I find a good area, and I live there. Why would I want to move around? :p

paper oriole Nov 7, 2019, 7:53 PM

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do people say "uthas" on purpose or something why do i always see that lol

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think i had a small stroke reading that suggestion

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Maintaining territory could just be an affinity thing

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Optional, but if you want to do it. You can.

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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But making territory seems weird i understanding setting up a place but marking it is really weird

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 8:07 PM

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I don't think marking it just need to be a thing

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well at least... with an actual animation o_O

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If anything there could be an option to claim territories with pre established borders.

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If there is no predators your size or larger in your territory for X amount of time, then you get an affinity bonus

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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But that be hard to maintain since if your a player like me i travel the map

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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I mean you don't have to do it.

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Wouldn't that in theory work with affinity, I can't imagine you'd want things that could potentially kill you around, and if you stay in an area, you'd naturally want to make sure that it's "safe"?

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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But I think the concept of maintaining a territory could be a good affinity raising activity,

cyan flame Nov 7, 2019, 8:10 PM

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As in, affinity in style with "no mixpacking", or something like that

pulsar lake Nov 7, 2019, 8:32 PM

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I'm for a territory system but this one is just huh... Bad and unbalanced?

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That would make docktards survivability bigger

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 8:33 PM

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Territory systems could be a good way to boost affinity. Killing other players in a territory you have had claimed for x amount of times raises affinity by a small bit, or something along those lines. But definitely not that suggested system

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And we need a system to punish docktahs so no buffs 😭

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Docktahs need to cease

pulsar lake Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Kill other competitor or chase them away from your territory would make your affinity better

craggy scarab Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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In the right setup it might work and give apexes an objective. Not sure on buffs for holding it though. Needs a ton of thought

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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And DEFINITELY no territory marking animations oml

pulsar lake Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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But no buff like more 10% damage

desert spoke Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I feel like buffs from affinity would be broken

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I can already see the rpers drooling

pulsar lake Nov 7, 2019, 8:35 PM

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Or some stuff like that

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Affinity will give buffs but not unbalanced buff like BoB points or inherits

craggy scarab Nov 7, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Naw more like an area around their nest at the very least

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 9:02 PM

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I think my main reason for supporting it, is giving players more things to do other than eat, drink, and hunt.

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 9:04 PM

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There are many ways to do that. One is for players to dive into the water them have some fun for the water

warped zealot Nov 7, 2019, 9:07 PM

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What

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😂😂😂

outer nebula Nov 7, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Im just saying they can add soo much to make it interesting

viral creek Nov 7, 2019, 9:48 PM

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ngl pool day sounds pretty fun rn

barren zephyr Nov 7, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Idk about hatchlings not being able to walk or run, 1 being that hatchling is already boring to play, don't make it worse. 2 being that when I think of a dino nest, I think of a chicken, and how it's chicks are able to move about quite easily within a couple hours. Strengthening within a day or two and easily able to keep up with the mother. If anything, make hatchling growth a tad bit quicker, and slow down juvi growth

patent spade Nov 7, 2019, 9:53 PM

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@livid burrow keep in mind it's a game not a documentary on animals so it doesnt matter if they have bright pink on them or are a walking ugly lemon

sage helm Nov 7, 2019, 9:54 PM

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besides mutations exist

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 9:57 PM

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3 words: lab made recreations

lilac swallow Nov 7, 2019, 9:58 PM

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Another 5 words:You can allways play female

thorn wagon Nov 7, 2019, 10:00 PM

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He’s not wrong

jovial moss Nov 7, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Personally a coloured throat pouch would have looked 10x better for deinosuchus

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it's kind of weird for an ambush predator in water to have bright red spots on the top of its head

frank zinc Nov 8, 2019, 12:37 AM

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deino flashes neck like an anole *
jigglejigglejiggle

violet magnet Nov 8, 2019, 12:45 AM

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@dull night ....i...don't really get the wording of your suggestion

"make it so dino when its in water it does not stop swimming after lack of key input"
can you clarify pls?

dull night Nov 8, 2019, 12:47 AM

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@violet magnet By it i mean that when for whatever reason game kicks you when you are swimming your dino will continue swim till reaching a shore so you do not sink and die.

violet magnet Nov 8, 2019, 12:48 AM

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OH

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derp

dull night Nov 8, 2019, 12:48 AM

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I died almost adult giga by drowning even tho' i lost connection with server when i was drinking water but thats not what server thought

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And i sank in middle while my bud was watching it happend

violet magnet Nov 8, 2019, 12:49 AM

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well it's a good idea if ur at a small lake but i don't think it'd help at someplace like...Titan/Reservoir

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rip

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could u maybe appeal to the server admins to replace ur giga? (assuming this was on an unofficial server and they even do things like that)

dull night Nov 8, 2019, 12:51 AM

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I got banned there cuz i disagreed with rules but it got thrown at "early access game" reasoning 😂

jolly belfry Nov 8, 2019, 1:56 AM

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@dull night had kinda the same problem with bug ,but admin didnt even try to help,got a ban too.even so i had two things to solve the problem.they wherent even listening

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@dull night happened that to you near titan lake?

dull night Nov 8, 2019, 2:33 AM

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@jolly belfry Its was actually at twins, the larger one of them i went for a sip and i could easily swim through but no no when it kicked me out dino just stopped and tada i am dead and 5 hours went to trash can

dreamy wharf Nov 8, 2019, 4:08 AM

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Mi, you've essentially just suggested a mechanic to incentivize more AFK-growing, being self aware of issues it will cause really doesn't help without actually atleast suggesting positives to compensate. Regardless, sleeping isn't really a mechanic with the "Will this be fun" mentality in mind, so, it's rather weak on it's own, because, let's be real, pressing a button to sit there isn't fun or interesting.

violet magnet Nov 8, 2019, 4:11 AM

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let's replace optional AFK with forced AFK! Genius! This will fix AFK growing!

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dondiUhh

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 5:04 AM

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why does anyone want sleep

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i literally cant think of a worse mechanic

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do people WANT to just sit there and stare at a black/blurry screen for ages and hope nothing randomly kills them?

gritty helm Nov 8, 2019, 5:26 AM

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other than having a way to heal faster, especially with something that has shitty healing capabilities, there's really no reason for an "actual" sleep mechanic

low moat Nov 8, 2019, 5:54 AM

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sure there is, to let other player eat you why you sleep.

outer nebula Nov 8, 2019, 6:14 AM

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@barren zephyr thats the point, dilo is suppose to be a night time hunter thus better night vision then other dinosaurs

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 6:22 AM

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make sleeping players light up for dilos smell radar

violet magnet Nov 8, 2019, 7:24 AM

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or we could...give another dino dilo's nightvision range so dilo will actually have competition at night?

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maybe an herbi this time

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dryo or pachy?

valid zephyr Nov 8, 2019, 7:53 AM

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Dryo would be a good dino to be active at night imo.

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And giving them good night vision wouldn't break any balance.

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Yea

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I would love dryo nv

icy kelp Nov 8, 2019, 12:48 PM

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If Dryo had nv like dilo it would benefit herds that it stays with warning them of predators that they can't see.

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 2:28 PM

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people need to fuck off with the forced sleeping mechanic already. acting like you cant do anything at night is so dumb too lol, no one is sitting there with a gun to your head forcing you to sit under a tree all night. the solution to making night time interesting is to just roam during night time and that's it

gaunt parcel Nov 8, 2019, 3:03 PM

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sleeping should be optional, for aesthetic > if u no sleep u bad and die

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perhaps, if you sleep you might gain stamina slightly faster and heal better, but then again, that would be for when you're done with the fight + in a safe place counting that it would take more time to get up and blah blah

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 3:09 PM

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but that's basically what hitting H does already. you heal faster and get stam faster than by walking around

clever hinge Nov 8, 2019, 3:12 PM

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Ok ok, I know I’m gonna get roasted to hell for this, but sleeping could be cool, if it was unnecessary. Only if it would show you cool things while you are “ asleep “, though if it is ever added it should be like the final thing, not at all a priority.

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 3:14 PM

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I would rather there be an animation for it but with no advantages to doing it imo cause its unnecessary when H already does what other ppl have suggested for it

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according to some of the community that's stuff that players can mod in with the dev kit or somethingn

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letting players mod that stuff in for their servers is preferred over forcing it onto everyone

clever hinge Nov 8, 2019, 3:22 PM

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True

steel bridge Nov 8, 2019, 4:32 PM

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u want to swallow prey whole that is 1/4 size???? That's the same as a 200 pound person eating a 50 pound meal in 1 bite XD. Or in dino terms. A spino swallowing 2.5 tons of weight...

mellow maple Nov 8, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I think sleep should be cosmetic.

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What I mean is this.

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There's an in-game clock, right? When it reaches a certain time. Your dinosaur curls up and sleeps but it literally acts exactly the same as resting

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No benefits or detriments

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 6:25 PM

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@mellow maple that is definitely preferable to any of the other suggestions for sleeping

mellow maple Nov 8, 2019, 6:29 PM

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It'd probably be weird to animate because the problems with that mechanic is it relies on the time setting. Say an admin turns it to day all of a sudden, could the dinosaur be scripted to get up immediately. It could be a strain on animation time or something.

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Although purely cosmetic, if you're not resting already, it wouldn't affect you.

pulsar lake Nov 8, 2019, 8:01 PM

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I want sleep mechanic but it shouldn't make advantage to afkers

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Like you need of a time before to get up

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You don't see clearly

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You heard like if you're in water

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But it could give an affinity buff to sleep during only a time like 10 minutes but less should make a bad one and more would cancel it

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You could regenerate faster in all ways

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That how I can see the sleep mechanic works

lilac swallow Nov 8, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Actual sleeping only works in single player survival games and just because It allow you to Skip the night
Not talking about what your are proposong levi

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 8:17 PM

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@pulsar lake it's a terrible idea to force players into sleeping or their dinos get fucked by debuffs though, why do all the people who dont want to sit and do nothing for 10 minutes have to suffer?

pulsar lake Nov 8, 2019, 8:25 PM

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10 minuts could be the max

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You could only need of 5 minutes actually

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:31 PM

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Forcing players to do nothing is a bad mechanic no matter how long it is

pulsar lake Nov 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Well

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So no forcing

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Make it an option

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 8:34 PM

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that sounds horrible though, I don't even care about afk growing just like, needing to sit there and stare at a blurry screen and just listen for extended and regular periods of time sounds awful

wintry cipher Nov 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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I could see animations changing at night as a neat cosmetic. Sleeping anims in the day for dilos. Functions the same as resting but the Dino's lays more still and has a lower profile. Encourages behavior following your time cycle (day or night) but doesn't prevent you from doing stuff when you want. Ie a dilo sleeping in the day, a galli sleeping at night.

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 8:35 PM

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oh yeah that'd be fine if it was cosmetic

wintry cipher Nov 8, 2019, 8:36 PM

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Though there would have to be a drawback to the stealth bonus

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Like, I could see sleeping anims like that being a BIG help to nesting mothers

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Where they can't move much

pulsar lake Nov 8, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Well so sleeping would make:

All regeneration faster
Give a better affinity
+Hunger and thirst longer
+Incubating eggs faster like 25%

-Make a worst sound effect around you
-Make a bad vision around you
-If you sleep during almost all your growth it will take longer

wintry cipher Nov 8, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Could be a tool for juvies that are shit out of luck about food

pulsar lake Nov 8, 2019, 8:38 PM

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Or cosmetic too

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 8:42 PM

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oh god anything but it affecting affinity

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the rests alright

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if it gave you hunger thirst longer it'd just be the new way to afk

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which i dont especially mind lmao

unborn quail Nov 8, 2019, 8:43 PM

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Give better affinity

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That basically overshadows every negative

warped zealot Nov 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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A laying down animation would be nice, especially for hatchlings + juvies who are hiding.

unborn quail Nov 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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because affinity itself will impact growth too

warped zealot Nov 8, 2019, 8:44 PM

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When your head is annoying and idle animation making you look around smh

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Oops

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Yea cerato has that issue big time

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altho cerato has a lot of issues in general lol

unborn quail Nov 8, 2019, 9:00 PM

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Lots of issues, but easily fixed issues

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I feel cera would do a lot better if it had a better ambush, every time I've played it I die to an ambushing predator. It's just way to slow IMO

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On the sucho suggestion: ANKY swims faster than sucho, Rex swims faster than sucho and plenty of things (Utah and Carno especially) can get up to high speed and maintain that speed through the water.
I don't know if this is just me, but the water sounds are way too loud in game, I can be sitting in water and hear someone step in the water across the freaking lake

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Cerato isnt supposed to have a good ambush

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dondi doesnt want it to

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:43 PM

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And honestly keeping it that way makes it unique

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:43 PM

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^

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Maybe buffing stam and bleed res alone will be enough

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Its niche as a scavenger makes sense for it not to have a good ambush

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Yea

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thats really it

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I suggested either 3 min 40 seconds or 4 mins for a stam

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In an earlier suggestion

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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I would think swap allos and ceratos stam

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Eh

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Sucho

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:44 PM

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But thats just my opinion

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Also has 3 mins of stam

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:45 PM

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true

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:45 PM

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Imo allo could stay at 3, sucho gets lowered to 2 mins 40 but gets a speed buff to 31.5 kmph, and cerato is either 3 min 40 or 4 min so it poses more of a serious threat to carno

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:46 PM

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Interesting

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Yea I wouldnt mind that

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I feel like carno and cerato would kind of be an even match tho idk why

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probably the size similarities

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:47 PM

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This is also in tandem with a few other changes I suggested but I wanted to keep the topic on cerato

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:47 PM

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yea

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Cerato imo would deck carno in a fight

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Actually geared to kill things in its size range with its massive teeth and jaw strength

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While carno has tiny teeth and a weak jaw

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So cerato being able to outstam carno would be an interesting dynamic for carno

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That isn't just run away some more

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:49 PM

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Yea

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Im probably just biased to carno

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I would like to see a bash mechanic for it in the future

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:50 PM

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I mean carno is taller than cerato

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 9:50 PM

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isn't carno just to fast? even if you have more stam won't it just get way to far from you?

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:50 PM

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And if that speed turns into damage gimmick gets implemented into carno, it could probably do dmg that way

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Not if you can follow it

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Track it down

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And catch it regaining stam

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:50 PM

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Yea cerato is gonna be like the long distance tracker right?

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:51 PM

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A long distance tracker that also is good at pushing small tiers around

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Kind of like a giga that is geared more toward strength than bleed but on a smaller level

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:51 PM

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Built to either kill for itself when available or just steal small tier kills

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 9:51 PM

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I think cera could also have more bleed

sage helm Nov 8, 2019, 9:51 PM

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meh

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Doesnt really need it imo

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:52 PM

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It doesnt really need it, plus bleed, dmg, and how weight influences things are all being reworked with the recode

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So most balance suggestions are null and void!

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 9:52 PM

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yea the reworking of combat makes most things we talk about pointless

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a thing I found out (Math) is Cera needs 16 bites to bleed out a rex

warped zealot Nov 8, 2019, 9:53 PM

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We just gotta wait and see what they come up with, though they said balance suggestions are always welcome

echo bridge Nov 8, 2019, 9:53 PM

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As long as they are constructive that is

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And based well

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Instead of just "buff giga pls"

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 9:53 PM

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I like Juvie Ceras ambush, I'm honestly debating next time I play cera not growing

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:33 PM

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@lyric shard the problem isnt jump dinos its just the speed of the sucho in water in general. give the sucho faster speed while swimming in water and the problem is solved

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:35 PM

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i still think it shouldn't give you such a big boost when jumping in water. it's unrealistic

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:35 PM

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its a game who cares if its unrealistic

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the entire game is fucking unrealistic

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

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all dinosaurs should be way quieter in the water

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

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i care if it's unrealistic, it's a survival game

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

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an animal swimming is near silent as long as its not like, paddling on the surface

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

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it's not a jump that really causes it, anything falling into water gets the speed boost, jump just causes you to fall

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

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complaining about something being unrealistic when there are god damn strains crreamAYA

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

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Giga when it falls in water in a nightmare, the thing goes at like 90+mph

night mountain Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

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give carno a jump so it can go turbo in water

native nebula Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

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there's no differentiation between swimming and walking through water, it's just a surface interaction sound when moving through it. i don't know if it's worth adding the extra complexity for that.

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

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you were the one saying the whole game was unrealistic 🤔

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

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@night mountain yes and give the carno a tail fluke to go extra fast in water

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:39 PM

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im saying who cares if its unrealistic cause its a game. as long as the game is fun people should enjoy it

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:40 PM

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but if a game is too unrealistic, it's not as enjoyable..

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 PM

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who said that

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:41 PM

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if there a reason you can hear water interactions from so freaking far away? like 90% of my food as sucho is hearing a juvie drinking from a mile away

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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anything that gets a jump boost gets 1 shot or 2 shot by a sucho

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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thats not the point though

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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whats the point then

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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doesn't matter if you kill them in one bite if you literally can't catch them

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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?? that jumping shouldnt give you a boost..

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:42 PM

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why tho

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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because it doesnt make sense

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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jumping slows you on land but gives you speed in water

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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so you're saying it's unrealistic?

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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yes i am

grave karma Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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the isle isn't exactly aiming for realism

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

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last time i checked, you dont gain a big speed boost when jumping in water irl

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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thats irl, this is a video game

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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but the game is based on real life dinosaurs isn't it?

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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doesnt mean the entire game has to be realistic

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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and has a dynamic wather system, so it is 'semi' realism

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:44 PM

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the strains didnt exist yet they have them

lilac swallow Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Strains existence doesnt mean basic physic laws should be ignored

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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I feel like he is wanting realistic physics.

lilac swallow Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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We still dont have flying rexes

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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^^

crimson phoenix Nov 8, 2019, 10:45 PM

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^

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:46 PM

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the entire game doesnt need to be realistic

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:46 PM

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so if a game has a bug, it doesnt need to be fixed, because the game shouldn't have to be realistic?

patent spade Nov 8, 2019, 10:46 PM

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if its something the devs didnt intend for to happen then the devs would fix it

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the jump boost isnt a bug

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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i didnt say that it was a bug

lilac swallow Nov 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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Is literally a bug due to how water work, isnt intended

lyric shard Nov 8, 2019, 10:47 PM

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i said it was a feature that should be changed. there's a reason they're doing a 'recode'

steady cosmos Nov 9, 2019, 1:17 AM

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hits waters surface
gets submerged to the bottom
drowns

crimson phoenix Nov 9, 2019, 3:06 AM

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sleep should literally only be a different animation for sit

night mountain Nov 9, 2019, 3:12 AM

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yeah i heard that earlier today and i like it

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diurnals do it during the night, nocturnals during the day

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nice lil detail

thorn wagon Nov 9, 2019, 3:43 AM

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@night mountain ha “it would be a nightmare”

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Because sleep

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dondiWeSmart

last heath Nov 9, 2019, 3:44 AM

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@jolly belfry I dont think we need any more apexes. that would be hell to balance, limiting apex groups to 2-3 and making it harder to grow an apex to begin with would be better solutions.

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and it cost quite a lot of money per dino added

thorn wagon Nov 9, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Plus the mid tiers get shit on even more

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It’s like the tarbosaurus thing

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Tarbo is just a Rex clone and therefor will most likely never be put in the game because it would be a waste of money and time

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 3:56 AM

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No,the point i trying to make is.lets say we have a server with player, who play like mainly apexes ,lets say around 30 -40 player.its just a number i throw in based on nothing.but lets say more apexs are added wouldnt mean that the numbers of apex would go up.ofc at first when new dino is added it will be more but over time its go back to the apex player base .so that means , my suggested number around 30-40 player with ,at is now, 3 apexes ,then the circle of dying big apex wouldnt be as big as when we have 5 apexs .sorry i try to explain my best.my eng is not perfect

last heath Nov 9, 2019, 3:57 AM

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I dont get it

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 3:57 AM

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amored the problem is they want a more balance ecosystem not have an entire server of overpowered of carnivores

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 3:59 AM

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@outer nebula i totally want that too,but i dont see a way around to limit apexes as a whole on a server

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 3:59 AM

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just make apex harder to grow thats it

last heath Nov 9, 2019, 3:59 AM

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make it hard to grow? so only the best even reach adulthood?

thorn wagon Nov 9, 2019, 3:59 AM

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Adding more apexes isn’t gonna limit them

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You said it yourself, the per species number may go down, but the apex numbers as a whole will stay the same

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 4:00 AM

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@docjay24 Yeah but the apex base will still be pretty high,almost the same

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 4:00 AM

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simple as that either extend the growth of them or make it harder for them to hunt things tell they are a certain stage

last heath Nov 9, 2019, 4:02 AM

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hold up, if ''the apex base will still be pretty high,almost the same'', then it did nothing. just wasted time and money

thorn wagon Nov 9, 2019, 4:02 AM

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☝

last heath Nov 9, 2019, 4:02 AM

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I'm not getting it

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maybe rephrase it in a different way?

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 4:04 AM

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also the reason there are so many apex is because they are powerful and not many players mess with them, another reason is that its easy to grow, along with many players dont see a reason to play other dinos

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 4:06 AM

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I dont believe making them weaker wouldnt change much

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 4:06 AM

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no not weaker just harder to grow dude

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 4:07 AM

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When player want to play dino they wanna too.but die more then they try harder next time

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Exactly

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The base would be the same ,right?

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But i understand your point

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There wouldnt be as much big fat rexes

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Or apexes

outer nebula Nov 9, 2019, 4:08 AM

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yup but if you make it hard for players to play a certain dino then you get those who are up for the challenge to grow ones where those who just want a lazy life style will play something easier

jolly belfry Nov 9, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Yeah lets the what the future brings

wintry cipher Nov 9, 2019, 4:45 AM

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the answer is not so much a simple one as making the environment structured in a way as to punish larger numbers of apexes. they simply would not be able to be sustained -leading to cannibalism, and lower numbers.

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humans with guns being added will be a big factor in reducing their numbers.

quartz remnant Nov 9, 2019, 11:33 AM

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nothing will change, even with afk under a tree, growth times take longer but longer they will stay under the tree so the issue isn't solved. Infinity system will also hurt players that can only play at certain times for instance when the server pop is very low and can often times see no one, so there dino is automatically punished to grow longer because they can't kill anything coz there is no one around for them to kill.

wintry cipher Nov 9, 2019, 12:56 PM

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That is why AI are being implemented and improved on.

sage helm Nov 9, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Not killing players will not drop affinity

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I dont think

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that would make no sense

lilac swallow Nov 9, 2019, 3:56 PM

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Killing will not offer Affinity boost

night mountain Nov 9, 2019, 9:23 PM

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honestly please include that so we can laugh at the bad translation

white torrent Nov 10, 2019, 2:56 AM

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But if cerato- under the proposed rules of the cerato suggestion of hyenabadger, doesn’t hunt well solo

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What about us folks that don’t like packs

valid zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 9:24 AM

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All dinos should be balanced around the assumption they're solo imo. There is no guarantee you can even find a group.

sage helm Nov 10, 2019, 12:56 PM

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But then groups would become op

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and that would ruin the whole point of it being a multiplayer game if you just go alone all the time cause there is no risk

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:27 PM

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@marble cove maybe not red because gore is already red, but some other color, same goes with herbi prints, plant food is green.

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but i think it would be cool

marble cove Nov 10, 2019, 3:29 PM

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yeah, different colors

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not necessarily those specific colors, but different from each other

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:29 PM

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yeh

marble cove Nov 10, 2019, 3:30 PM

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ill change it

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:35 PM

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i was thinking and i thought that a "continuous growing system instead of pressing grow in order to grow up to the next stage" system would be better. with a little 'alert' on screen when you officially reach a new stage?

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i want opinions before i post it :/

lilac swallow Nov 10, 2019, 3:38 PM

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@barren zephyr the continuos grow is actually happening with the recode

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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oh sweet sorry

lilac swallow Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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No need to say sorry

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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i'm not exactly the most up to date with this stuff xd

lilac swallow Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Np, you are not the only one

barren zephyr Nov 10, 2019, 3:39 PM

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hahaha i guessed

mellow maple Nov 10, 2019, 5:55 PM

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So, I'd be in favor of a single player mode but what would it be ?

patent spade Nov 10, 2019, 6:09 PM

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singleplayer mode sounds to me like it's just gonna be ai eating sim though the rpers can rp to their hearts content in that mode I guess

indigo sun Nov 10, 2019, 6:10 PM

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The only thing i could think of single player being is a tutorial for starting out where thats the first thing you can do and once youre done you can go into the game and the tutorials not an option anymore

paper oriole Nov 10, 2019, 6:24 PM

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single player mode would be going into private host server when AI gets reworked lol

warped zealot Nov 10, 2019, 7:43 PM

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I mean

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Basically

night mountain Nov 10, 2019, 8:13 PM

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half the servers right now are ALREADY singleplayer mode

night mountain Nov 10, 2019, 8:36 PM

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I like the destroying shit idea but would be very surprised if it happenned since they'd have to totally redo a TON of shit

ashen elm Nov 10, 2019, 8:39 PM

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Yes, they have a lot on their plate but I think Recode is probably also the perfect time to suggest it since they are already doing a top to bottom redesign of the base game. There are similar mechanics in other games (ala BoB), but I think the Isle could take it a step further since they'll be interacting with human structures and bases on top of that.

long heath Nov 10, 2019, 9:15 PM

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While I'm all for destroying terrain and stuff like trees the only problem I have are the definitive limits of destruction of human bases. You realize these are still just animals, right? I don't like the idea of a Rex being able to break through solid concrete for the sake of breaking through solid concrete. Strains on the other hand are a different story...

ashen elm Nov 10, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Yes, this is why I said with limits. Not everything should be destructible. But the environment is interacting with huge animals, certain things should break.

long heath Nov 10, 2019, 9:21 PM

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The really big animals should be able to tear apart Tribal villages, merc bases are a different matter.

ashen elm Nov 10, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Yeah, Tribals should have weaker structures. I think even with Mercs though they shouldn't be that safe.

These aren't well-kept bases, they are abandoned and need repair as it is. I think they should be safe within certain strong structure or bases with a lot reinforced concrete, but I think it's more fun if there are weak points to even these places.

But yeah, a Rex demolishing a 40ft concrete wall is a no-no. That's not what I had in mind.

twin nimbus Nov 11, 2019, 4:42 AM

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@river edge just put your suggestion, chatting isn't allowed in that channel. Either put it in #401470471750811669 or #401464048610312195 if it's just a question. If it's about a suggestion already posted, put it in here

river edge Nov 11, 2019, 4:43 AM

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kk sorry and just a though on other hypo's

twin nimbus Nov 11, 2019, 4:44 AM

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Hop onto #401464048610312195 for that, luv. If they think you should put it in suggestions, go for it. But if it's just a question, then ask it in discussion.

river edge Nov 11, 2019, 4:44 AM

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kk

night mountain Nov 11, 2019, 7:45 AM

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what is uniquely wrong with carnos nesting??

indigo sun Nov 11, 2019, 7:47 AM

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Carnos cant nest

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A lot of the time female carnos are unable to nest at all

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Thafs whats wrong with it

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*thats

night mountain Nov 11, 2019, 8:07 AM

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wat, are they?

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have never experienced that before

mighty sparrow Nov 11, 2019, 8:51 AM

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carnos can nest but its very finnicky

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its a pain to find a spot it will let you put a nest down in for some reason

lethal hinge Nov 11, 2019, 9:20 AM

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Will kill animations be implemented?

warped zealot Nov 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

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No poop

dry cradle Nov 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

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^^

warped harbor Nov 11, 2019, 10:33 AM

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The idea of countering people who sit down all the time is good though

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But maybe it should just be a generic scent thingamajig that progressively gets bigger the more you sit

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Rather than having it be actual funny poopie

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Maybe it could make the foliage or terrain around the dinosaur get progressively brighter and saturated with some color upon sniffing

barren zephyr Nov 11, 2019, 1:27 PM

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yeah but wouldn't that be detrimental to species that require to sit for long periods of time. I mean if you need a long time to stop bleeding then heal the damage the bleed left, with some species (para comes to my mind) that means even when the blood splashes disappear, now you're with a glowing yellow area under you that will keep getting a stronger glow as you're trying to heal the damage.
The alternative is to get up and move to prevent leaving that mark appear under you, but now you'll heal way slower than if you were sitting, and you are note much more concealed because you're moving around, all the while being physically weakened because your health is at 20% at the bare minimum

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so, yeah your idea will possibly deter people from afk growing, Ninja, but species that rely on sitting for extended periods of time to heal or regenerate stamina would be put at a severe disadvantage when they aren't even AFK growing but doing what the system currently rewards to do if you want to regenerate stamina and health faster and more efficiently

barren zephyr Nov 11, 2019, 4:12 PM

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@barren zephyr Ill just appreciate your drawing. You put quite a bit of effort into the suggestion

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dondiYay

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Also yea, your idea is lovely

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blush_cat

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tyyy

indigo sun Nov 11, 2019, 5:04 PM

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@acoustic fossil new code has to be done before they release a dev kit or else it'd be a complete and utter waste of time, both on the devs' part because they have to make a new one and on the modders' part because all of their mods wont work once the recode comes out.

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They fully plan on having a dev kit in the future but it just cant happen right now.

clever hinge Nov 11, 2019, 7:15 PM

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@thorny lynx A 50% damage reduction! If that’s what cerato should have then what should anky have, that is an insane amount of damage reduction

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I would just give cerato better senses and sucho like hunger ( aka barely needs to eat ) and it would be fine

blazing charm Nov 11, 2019, 7:41 PM

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"i suggest that the recode should have a release date before December the 31th. (before 2020)"

Ah yes, because after months of barely anything, I totally want a rushed product that will end up being worse than what we've been stuck with for the past 4 years.

pale ibex Nov 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

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@twin nimbus I think rather than having the sounds / name of the dinos be displayed, maybe they could be represented by circles? Such as for example, an echo-type circle shown in the direction/distance of the call's origin. Maybe as you get closer to it, an outline/silhouette of the dino can be shown in the circle Perhaps the circle could be green/red depending on if it is a herbivore or carnivore.
I wouldnt want people who are new / have decent hearing have too much of an advantage over it, since I feel it kinda necessary to have mewer players have some type of fear in them vs knowing what's out there.. but I also dont think it'd really be exploitable.
It's a good suggestion though, Id wonder how it'd be integrated to feel like part pf the game vs just being text.

viral creek Nov 12, 2019, 12:41 AM

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@lusty geyser

Since it seems like you haven't seen this yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLziFBXghQs

YouTube

The Isle

Pteranodon Animation Preview

Locomotion analysis of an upcoming biological asset. Buy now: http://findtheisle.com/steam #Theisle #Pteranodon

▶ Play video

lusty geyser Nov 12, 2019, 4:43 AM

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@viral creek thank you! I’m still new to the game so I’m not very familiar with anything

viral creek Nov 12, 2019, 4:45 AM

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I'm always there to give info. 😛
Also, I'd recommend subbing to the isle youtube channel, as there's more previews like that one for different dinosaurs, and upcoming ones.

modern plover Nov 12, 2019, 4:54 AM

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are we available to post survival bugs in non-official servers? i have a pretty wonky one

night mountain Nov 12, 2019, 5:24 AM

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i'd think so, unless its a modded map or something it probably applies

ocean vortex Nov 12, 2019, 5:57 AM

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@pulsar orchid you will pay for this

pulsar orchid Nov 12, 2019, 5:57 AM

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hOL UP

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFfciCu8wY8

YouTube

posmx

Baby alligator calling for mom. (Pet)

Our pet alligator hatchling sitting on the stairs calling for mom.

▶ Play video

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this

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it's no squeak, but it's beautiful

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this is the sounds i hope for

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@ocean vortex

ocean vortex Nov 12, 2019, 6:02 AM

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THAT IS A SQUEAK

pulsar orchid Nov 12, 2019, 6:08 AM

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IT'S NOT A SQUEAK

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it's a chirp

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but if that's what you mean then yes I'm for it

unborn tulip Nov 12, 2019, 11:50 AM

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@stiff comet https://clips.twitch.tv/ConfidentAssiduousPorcupineSMOrc

Twitch

The Isle Animation #gamedev #GerryCam - Clip of RR_Raptor65 - Twit...

Clip of RR_Raptor65 Playing Creative - Clipped by falen23

▶ Play video

midnight bane Nov 12, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Good suggestion @viral creek

mighty girder Nov 12, 2019, 8:26 PM

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I mean there is that whole thing where don said utah wasnt actually utah but idk if thats going anywhere at all

valid zephyr Nov 12, 2019, 9:32 PM

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I still think utahs should have a feathered or scaly skin option, rather than one or the other.

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then both sets of players happy

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and they can judge each other by their looks and have gang wars

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trying to wipe out the 'wrong' utah type

mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 9:48 PM

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Of course both options tbh.

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Realistically, scaly raptors are more popular than feathered ones rn

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But that's not say feathered raptors can't look good, some people definitely have a preference for them.

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I do especially but we have to acknowledge that there are fans for retro dromaeosaurs and fans for new avian-like dromaeosaurs

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So we cater to both. 👏 Everyone wins

twin nimbus Nov 12, 2019, 10:20 PM

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@pale ibex Ive thought of a solution! Its optional (i.e you must go into settings and manually put it on) and if you do, all player / dino sounds are instead silent, so you have to use the icons. It would stop hearing players from exploiting it whilst still helping those who need it!

paper oriole Nov 12, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Cotylorhynchus would make the rest of the roster look bad

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he's just that good

lilac swallow Nov 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

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@night mountain you are an artits at finding cursed shit

ashen elm Nov 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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I want both Cotyorhynchus and Dienocherius, Satan Duck and Horror Toad. dondiHot

mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 11:18 PM

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I'm always up for any new face

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So yeah, count me in for Deincherius

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Ornithomimosaurs need something that's beefier anyways

thorn wagon Nov 12, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Deinocheirus but before more skeleton was found so everyone thought it was just a jacked ornithomimid

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Lemme try to find a picture

lilac swallow Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Isnt It funny that deinocheirus is Closer to galli than to theri despite deinoch and theri seeming similar?

thorn wagon Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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This

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mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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BLEH

thorn wagon Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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The old deinocheirus dondiUhh

mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Also nowadays, when I look at their bones

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I can see the similarities

thorn wagon Nov 12, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Wait I just realized

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Those wrists are pronated

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dondiTroll

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But anyway yeah, with a different niche/ food source deinocheirus would be cool

mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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WAOFIKEJVifsv

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pronation

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I also I refrain from calling Deinocherius an Ornithomimid. It's not in the group

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lilac swallow Nov 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Isnt deinocheirus a dino that could kinda pronate its wrists

mellow maple Nov 12, 2019, 11:23 PM

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So I say Ornithomimosaur

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It'd be so cool to have Deinocherius omg

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It's like Galli's beefier relative

ashen elm Nov 12, 2019, 11:28 PM

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Dienocherius was like, duck you hadrosaurs and (by that time extinct) spinosaurs, I'm taking all the niches.

Also if you want a jacked faux-Ornithomimid there is still Gigantoraptor. It's basically even bigger Galli.

compact coyote Nov 13, 2019, 12:30 AM

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the thing i was thinking for deinocheirus was that its a more hands on brawler with more dmg that theri, while theri is the longer ranger slapper that has higher bleed and uses its slaps to prevent you from hitting it if that makes sense

crimson phoenix Nov 13, 2019, 2:32 AM

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Boots the amount of "eww mating calls" will make you regret saying that

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on a less kill every RP who touches this game note, extra calls would be more work for the sound team and would confuse new players

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new people still struggle to tell what is making which noise

night mountain Nov 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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make the mating calls for para 10x louder than any other call in the game

crimson phoenix Nov 13, 2019, 2:33 AM

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if para gets any louder it will start doing aoe damage

night mountain Nov 13, 2019, 2:34 AM

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good

gritty helm Nov 13, 2019, 3:57 AM

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just what it needs

long heath Nov 13, 2019, 4:47 AM

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You can't tell me that creature Tentacle suggested is real

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Damn thing looks like a spliced up frog iguana thing.

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Regardless it's ugly, therefore I don't want it.

inner valley Nov 13, 2019, 4:53 AM

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Imagine seeing that thing rush at you from the corner of your night vision.

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That's the true horror aspect of this game, that creature specifically

paper oriole Nov 13, 2019, 5:49 AM

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Cotylorhynchus is god

still temple Nov 13, 2019, 6:00 AM

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Permian best era

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cooked up some awesome things like: Estemmenosuchus

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barren zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 6:53 AM

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Why did that theri vs deinocheirus pic use an anime girl as the human

valid zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Ugh why are we always getting mating call suggestions :/

safe galleon Nov 13, 2019, 10:54 AM

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For the rp

barren zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 11:29 AM

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@valid zephyr Docktahs. Docktahs everywhere

mellow fox Nov 13, 2019, 11:55 AM

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I honestly love the aquatic Nodosaur idea

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I never realized Nodosaur could be the herbivore semi-aquatic I needed in my life

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But I love it

valid zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 11:57 AM

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Dev probs looking at it like: dondiSquint

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I know realistically it's not a thing, but it would make for fun and really unique gameplay.

mellow fox Nov 13, 2019, 11:59 AM

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I mean

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Aquatic Nodosaur juvies

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StarHeart

somber wraith Nov 13, 2019, 3:07 PM

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@thorny lynx that herrera skin used to be in the game actually back on progression

valid zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 3:24 PM

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@burnt fern I completely agree.

Ideally i'd like the baby to be able to pick their own skin using any of either parents colours once nesting is more developed.

still temple Nov 13, 2019, 5:49 PM

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I dun think things like Sauropelta would fit being semi aquatic tho

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maybe a nodosaur with tamer/less prominent spikes could work

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Liaoningosaurus is epic ankylosaurid, but too smol

valid zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 6:18 PM

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To be honest it doesn't matter which nodosaur is chosen. It's simply a unique playstyle which nothing else in the game would have.

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I just can't picture a nodosaur being viable without some trick like that.

night mountain Nov 13, 2019, 6:38 PM

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i like it

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do it for anky its already faster in water than on land

valid zephyr Nov 13, 2019, 6:43 PM

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lol

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anky doesn't really need it due to being larger with a massive club.

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nodosaurs are simultaneously not that big and have no weapon like that.

mellow maple Nov 13, 2019, 7:03 PM

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I made that one suggestion for Borealopelta

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Nodosaurs are cute. They should be playable

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:11 AM

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Shant will most likely still be available in sandbox for servers that want to inject it; no needed wasting time and money on a dino that’s just gonna end up being a camara in a hadrosaur’s body

mellow fox Nov 14, 2019, 7:12 AM

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Actually, stomping land models will be deleted eventually

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And shant is from the stomping land

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There is really no reason keeping it; outdated, ugly, breaks balance, replaced

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:13 AM

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it looks far different and is much more enjoyable for those who play hadrosaurs than simply being a camara

mellow fox Nov 14, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Keeping an outdated low-quality relic of the past just makes the game look bad. There are good reasons why shant is chosen to be deleted

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:14 AM

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i have looked forward to playing shant in survival with its own baby models and everything, but here they are deciding to remove it. i feel this is a loss for hadro lovers..we are left with just para which is not anything close to shant.

mellow fox Nov 14, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Maia exists too

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Hadrosaurs are still represented by two animals

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:15 AM

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i dont care if they delete the old model, i just hope they add it to survival and update it. and no..sorry maia is lovely but..just .. no hah

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:16 AM

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Para is gonna be buffed this I’m pretty sure so it won’t be a pushover to mids as much

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You just gotta actually be careful not to get jumped by apexes

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Instead of sitting around and stand stomping when a Rex shows up

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 7:17 AM

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nnooooo keep shant, at least as it is now as a sandbox boi

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:17 AM

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I don’t have anything against shant, but it honestly seems like either a camara who stole a Maia’s skin or a para that chopped the crest off and took steroids

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Stats wise anyway

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:18 AM

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you guys are not imagining how a reimagined shant could be different and fun, the old problems would be dealt with and it would not have those frustrating glitches to exploit. i still feel its a valid creature for playing if it is added to survival, its a blast to take on a shant as an apex pair, i love boasting about taking one down lol plus its tons of food as reward if you do. 🙂

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:19 AM

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How could a shant be reimagined in a way that isn’t just hadrosaur camara

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:19 AM

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i mean yeah its frustrating when a shant goes crazy and kills everything...but thats the same for all dinos of decent size and power..servers can just make it unavailable if they dont want to deal with it and having rules to govern its gameplay. ...just my view on it.

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Because you talk about a hadrosaur standing a fair chance against apexes, when camara does that fine and if it were to make it to survival that would be a type we’ve not had as opposed to just the biggest of 3

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:20 AM

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Aesthetic preference

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:20 AM

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it could have a totally different growth timer, so much of its growth is spent at edmonto size.. and only really dedicated players survive to reach full size 😄

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please understand, i just dont ever play camara, i dont like how it looks, i love hadrosaurs and how they look.

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:22 AM

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Shant wouldn't be priority even if it was considered to stay in the game

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:22 AM

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I feel like survival shant would just be another tawbasawus all over again

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:22 AM

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it doesnt need to be priority, i just dont want it removed and never considered at all. it would be very sad for me if that is what happens

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Something that is stats wise very similar to something else just with a different look

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:23 AM

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I'd argue Giga has the same stupid issues that Shant does (other than the glitchy stomping), but it's only staying in the game because it's a very popular dinosaur and people like carnivores

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Shant is just hard to balance and people hate it

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:23 AM

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not really, because for those who manage to grow to full size you do actually get an amazing apex to play...tarbo never grew to be a rex..

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:23 AM

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Tbf giga has a different strategy than Rex, more endurance as opposed to ambush

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So it’s unique in a way

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:24 AM

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I'm not saying it's not unique

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I'm talking about its impact on everything around it

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Fair

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:24 AM

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Giga's ONLY bad match up is Rex

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Shant is the same

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But Shant is actually relatively susceptible to bleed

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You just have to wait awhile for it to bleed out

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:25 AM

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as it is now in fact shant is an easy kill for rex, if they land the bone break.

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:25 AM

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Unless they get both hits on the stomp

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And then finish with headbutts

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Maybe it’s just because it’s unbalanced with survival being a sandbox dino but idk

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:26 AM

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I think Shant could fit into the survival roster, but it would take a lot of time, money and effort to give it a new model and fix its buggy ass and everything else

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If I had the money I'd personally donate to keep Shant in the game but bitch be poor lmao

pulsar orchid Nov 14, 2019, 7:27 AM

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make it hit like a maia and people won't want shant

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Camara is gonna be the big boi herb if it makes it in, and can be balanced by being slower; whereas shant, being a hadrosaur would have at least decent speed and stam. Giving shant strength on top of that makes it busted but not giving it a lot of attack just makes it a fatter para or maia

pulsar orchid Nov 14, 2019, 7:27 AM

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^

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Right now people just run down apexes with it

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:28 AM

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So it becomes either hadrosaur camara or Wilfred brimly para

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:28 AM

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yeah..but cama is ugly..i like shant better lol

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:28 AM

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That's not enough to justify Shant over Camara

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:28 AM

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Ok but “this ugly I like this” isn’t gonna get the devs to spend time and money making 3 life stages with all new animations

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:28 AM

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your personal preference is subjective and you do you but the devs have to spend a LOT of time and effort and money on these things

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Not to mention

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80% of the people in this chat hate shant

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with a burning passion

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:29 AM

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in my mind if they increase the shant growth timer it would mean that more often than not you would run in to shants at edmonto stage size and they would not be as big an issue, and only those who really earn their survival reach full size..it makes it a challenge for the shant player and it keeps down the issues with shant..so it seems to me anyways

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:30 AM

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You know what other large herbivore possibly coming to survival would mostly be seen in a size range that’s easier to take on?

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Camara

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:30 AM

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Increasing the growth timer won't fix the problems Shant has

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to be a viable option it needs a TOTAL REHAUL

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just like Giga

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 7:31 AM

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Fuck, 3% phone battery

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My time has come

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:31 AM

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RIP

mellow fox Nov 14, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Also, shant is a meme Dino

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You just said Edmontosaurus would be balanced

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 7:33 AM

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shant is a good boy who did nothing wrong

mellow fox Nov 14, 2019, 7:33 AM

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Then add Edmontosaurus

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Easy

lament kayak Nov 14, 2019, 7:34 AM

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@fallen folio Camara cannot run you down. Camara can reasonably defend itself from apexes. Camara is much easier to balance.

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I think there are ways to balance Shant reasonably (especially with the changes the recode is adding) but that takes TIME and MONEY and there are other priorities for the devs rn, so unfortunately Shant is benched along with Pue

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:35 AM

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and yeah i get it, i am not saying just cause i dont like cama others cant..but its my point in fact..have a preference too and many people play shant..i would argue more than those who play cama..but thats just my experience and what i have observed. i know people want cama because they feel its more unique than just another hadro and yeah i know its all expensive...honestly i too would donate just to keep shant in if i knew they would do that. 🙂

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:36 AM

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Can always just wait for mods to add it in 😛

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People like Shant because it's OP, of course they like power lol

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same reason people love playing Theri

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:36 AM

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i love shant for the size and the way it moves, i like its sound and its body type.. its not just because its op

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for me anyways

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:37 AM

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that's personal preference

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:37 AM

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yes obviously. lol

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just saying many people like me enjoy shant for reasons that are more than just its op ness

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:37 AM

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I'm aware

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I love Shant as a dinosaur, but unfortunately it doesn't fix it's issues

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:39 AM

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i dont mind if they rehaul it. in fact i hope they do..i just dont want it to be removed from ever being in the game ever again..which is what i have been hearing.

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people keep saying it has these unfixable issues, and i just dont see it as being that case. it has issues now, but with a rehaul and totally different stats all those issues could be eased. there will always be issues with large powerful playables in this game.

jovial moss Nov 14, 2019, 7:42 AM

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The whole game is spaghetti code right now, the problem is people just hate Shant

fallen folio Nov 14, 2019, 7:42 AM

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anyways thats my two bits, i would love to brainstorm ideas to help fix its "issues" as i do like to think there are solutions to it. however its late for me and i have to go to bed, feel free to dm me and we can come up with some ideas in a friendly manner 😄 thanks folks 😄

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:43 AM

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It will probably stay as sandbox dino

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allowing community servers to inject it

patent spade Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 AM

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@crimson sundial devs are currently in the middle of recording the game

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:46 AM

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@crimson sundial a) Thats no suggestion. b) As Aelita said, they are recoding - aka redoing code of the entire game which is a long progress and at the same time adding new features

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 10:21 AM

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About shant, unless they literally remove the entire thing from the game, if it turns out to be an AI it will most likely actually be playable like the other AIs in sandbox, and on some unofficial servers, maybe it will be playable even in the survival gamemode.

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It may turn out to be how it is at the moment in the end

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Where... Unofficial servers inject non survival dinosaurs however they please, but they won't ever be found on officials

sonic cloud Nov 14, 2019, 1:50 PM

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@fallen folio you’re already getting elephants in the form of sauropods

I fail to see the problem with the devs removing a problematic creature as shant is literally an elephant without the weakness of being a slow fat fuck.

And that’s fine, a powerful creature having a weakness is something that creates balance

ashen elm Nov 14, 2019, 1:53 PM

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I don't think Shant is exactly horribly balanced, it is still killable by large apexes, it's just a bit too OP in terms of speed and damage.

Nerfing either of those areas would make a fairer dinosaurs I think, but considering sauropods are supposed to fill the large health tanks niche I think if a large hadrosaur wants to not be redundant, it would need nerfs to it's damage (as well as some of it's speed).

On other option would be maybe changing Shant to outright Edmontosaurus? It's basically the same dinosaur skeletal wise and still a good bit bigger than Para, just not as huge as Shant (a couple of tons lighter). So like 9 ton T-Rex vs 11 ton Edmontosaurus.

This one is still a bit too big, but around that size.
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Imgur

sonic cloud Nov 14, 2019, 1:58 PM

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There’s barely a difference between 12 tonne shant and 11 tonne edmonto sizewise

That’s still too large, if that thing charges into a rex full tilt you can bet that Rex won’t be walking away from that fight.

You can’t lower the damage because then the animal just dunks on mid tiers while having the speed to keep up with them.

You can’t lower the speed because then it just becomes a budget sauropod, and I mean you have sauropods already.

In all likelihood the largest hadrosaur you’re going to get is parasauralophus which is absolutely fine

ashen elm Nov 14, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I don't think Shant in-game is 12 tons. The Shant in-game is closer to 15 tons. TSL was closer to exaggerating sizes.

And I disagree, an Edmontosaurus charging a full-sized Rex would be risky for the Edmonto. Modern carnivores usually take on prey 2x their sizes, so a 1:1 fight would not be in the Edmonto's favor. Heck, Shant itself lived in an environment with a much smaller Tryanosaur than current Rex. Also the current Isle Rex is undersized, but they will be updating sizes to reflect maximum size. So it might end up being a fairer fight.

I didn't say increase the speed, I said lower both it and the damage, just the damage more so. Rexs more than likely did hunt adult Edmonto's (11 tons) and Trikes (8 tons), that's why they grew to ridiculous proportions for a carnivore. The tail of the T-rex in this picture bothers me, but it's nice picture to illustrate how they might interact lol.

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civic sky Nov 14, 2019, 2:13 PM

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i highly doubt a rex often fought the afore mentioned herbs head on especially triceratops, it needed to ambush them much like todays predators. There's a sort of rule that ALL carnivores live by: Kill my prey without taking much damage. Rex was no exception.

ashen elm Nov 14, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Probably not, but it depends on whether they grouped up or not. Modern tigers do hunt things like water buffalo and indian elephants (instances, not very common) which are comparatively huge (and alone as well).

sonic cloud Nov 14, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Ok but your still saying that you want apexes to begin to pack up to take on budget shant.
Like I can’t think of a better way to encourage pack wars

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Like cams is understandable because they would take so long to grow, but generally there shouldn’t be many herbivores that require an apex pack otherwise you end up with pure cancer

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 2:16 PM

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The problem with shant is that is literally a sauropod without sauropod's carasteristic lack of speed

civic sky Nov 14, 2019, 2:16 PM

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That is a fair point though Bronto, there are indeed exceptions that aren't common however i often chalk that down as a young carnivore who's about to learn the hard way why that's a bad idea.

ashen elm Nov 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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2 Rexs is not a pack. I don't think you'd need more than that to safely hunt an Edmonto.

And you already get way more than that without provocation.

sonic cloud Nov 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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“Learn” as if they’d get a second chance dondiTroll

civic sky Nov 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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That's why i said the hard way.

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yeah 2 rexs are enough, easily.

viral creek Nov 14, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@barren zephyr
Let's not forget that unofficial servers can choose their playercount.

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Also, just because dondi would like to see something, doesn't mean it's 100% confirmed.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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And also the map is not supposed to be empty dondi wants the majority of the population to be ai

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Gulpy, read the first 2 sentence.

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@viral creek

still temple Nov 14, 2019, 3:51 PM

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rather than spending money on shant, why not spend money on an Iguanodont. Entirely new creature, entirely new playstyle

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:51 PM

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and after all, official experience should describe the game.

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not unofficial.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 3:52 PM

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And im pretty sure dondi want actual survival rather than pvp Battle royale

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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where did i said that i want pvp battle royal?

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send it to me please.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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I never said you want it

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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well i tought you referring to my suggestion or something like that.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I wasnt

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Also gulpy

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literally my first sentence in the suggestion is this

viral creek Nov 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I read.

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But he never confirmed to begin with.

barren zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 3:55 PM

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alright

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never said its confirmed

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never said it will happen.

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i just threw this topic, and if they have any intend to do it, this is why i wouldn't want them to do it.

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thats all.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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Also less players =/= empty maps, we could get like 5 (arbitrary number) ai for each player out
I will just let this sink because everyone thinks that It will be empty

dim ore Nov 14, 2019, 5:04 PM

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i think the main problem is people expecting a massive herbivore to have to be wreaked by a rex 100% of the time, as though that is a requirement. i seriously doubt that rexes were even very interested in hunting a shant in real life unless they were hunting in a group or had found a lone shant of reasonable size all by itself, possibly even just a wounded one. why do we have to build up rex like its an ultimate deal? i think all apexes, both carnivores and herbivores should be comparable so as to fuel some epic battles and pose decent challenges. mid teir dinosaurs can pretty well outrun any shant even now, if they get stomped its usually because they were getting too close to begin with. any apex deserves to be given a wide berth anyways, rexes and spinos and gigas are running down and killing people on sight, we just think thats ok because they are carnivores, shants if slowed down even further could never do that ultimately, and trikes have already experienced that speed/ stam nerf. if anything i think rexes have too much stamina right now, they can run you down for a seriously long time.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:06 PM

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Nah, shantu problem is being stronger AND more movile than apex (both carnivores or herbivores) and if you nerf shant power is just a big para while if you slow down shant is just a camarasaurus

manic ibex Nov 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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why are you even talking about shant? it's gone forever

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I was just talking with the later guy

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Dapperwolf

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:08 PM

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If shant were to ever come back to survival, it'd have to reworked entirely. The current way it plays is usually looked down upon.

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I want it to, I like the animal alot. But it'd be so much work to do that they have to focus on other animals

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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how is shant gone forever

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Literally shant outclass trike in both speed and power

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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anyway i dont really care what they do with shant as long as its at least injectable like it is now

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Shant has been confirmed to go

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:09 PM

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From survival that is

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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People think that every shant hater is a whiny carni main but infact i hate shant because they hunted my trikes

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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lol

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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It's just the speed.

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That's honestly it

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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The speed true

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:11 PM

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if it couldn't chase down the fast carnivores then no one could be complaining as much

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as for power

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:12 PM

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But if you nerf It is just a cosplayed sauropod

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Nah, Sauropods can use their tails n shit.

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For Shant, I could imagine more body bashes

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Rearing up and slamming down for Shant is very dumb.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:12 PM

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True

sonic cloud Nov 14, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Shant is just a crappy sauropod tbh

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No point to it

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Shant could be reworked to stand out more and actually unique but it'd be too much work.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Also the niche of Big strong Dino is better for a 1st sauropod instead than for a 3rd shant

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Shant should more or less have the same mobility as Giga. In running terms. It's not fast but not stupid slow.

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For variety's sake yeah. It makes sense to put in a sauropod over yet another hadrosaur

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Thats my main concern

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:15 PM

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But Shant shouldn't be ruled out because of terrible experiences and niches taken up by other dinosaurs, anyone can make it stand out. I agree with some people that it deserves a chance. But it's so low in priority to over dinosaurs.

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It has some dedicated players, like myself.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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I dont deny shant can be balanced and im also sad of whoever like shant

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:16 PM

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It sucks it won't be survival but I can still play it in sandbox at least

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Which is fine, I'm not much of an official player myself

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Shant ai would also help It exist on survival even if is only ai

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Honestly, I like Shant's concept. Even rn. People are overestimating Shant tbh.

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Two rexes can beat a shant

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 5:18 PM

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That would probs mean it still gets a new model and animations

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Without its stomp, it's not so big and tough

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That's the thing, any dinosaur that gets into survival would need the new model and animations. Which cost money. And if they're going to put in dinosaurs like that, I highly doubt a third Hadrosaur will get it.

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:21 PM

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The thing with shat is not being absurdly strong, as you said 2 Rex can kill a shant but what happens if is only one Rex? Gets run down because shant have more stam

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Is a (less extreme) maia vs dilo case

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:24 PM

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In that regard, know to pick your fights. One Giga wouldn't take on a sauropod by itself, would it? It'd want friends.

Although, I think the headbutt for shant is dumb, paired with its speed and stam. (Also Rex can bone break)

night mountain Nov 14, 2019, 5:34 PM

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idk how easy this would be to do, but would there be a way to like keep shants speed but make it slower if it was running AT another species?

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Affinity could maybe give a speed nerf running at a carni like a fear sort of thing but that could easily get abused hard

mellow maple Nov 14, 2019, 5:48 PM

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Perhaps its running drains so much stam but its regular attacks don't waste so much

lilac swallow Nov 14, 2019, 5:50 PM

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Is not about picking fights is about getting run down by something stronger

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I literally specify the run down part

safe galleon Nov 14, 2019, 6:02 PM

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I don't think elder herbis should be able to go after hypers but it would be cool

gritty helm Nov 14, 2019, 6:14 PM

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since Para is essentially replacing shant I imagine it'll get a 2.0 growth stage much like Deino with it's 2.0 and 3.0 stages and maybe this 2.0 stage could be the "elder/shant" stage for Para but, I don't think it should be strong enough to take on a type-H alone. maybe in a herd they could stand their ground but the out come should at the most be 50/50

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 6:14 PM

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Assuming they literally become elders just by existing

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They definitely shouldn't even be comparable to magnas

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Unless it takes a long ass time, and I mean a long time

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 6:15 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/2000years-later-spongebob-gif-13021228

Tenor

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loooooong time

gritty helm Nov 14, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Deino takes around 24 hours just to get to 2.0 IIRC so maybe it could take that long?

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Or they'd be very, very OP

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Seems reasonable

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When hypos were in progression they took 17 hours to get

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Or 19, I forgot

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And indeed there weren't many at all

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Most people die before then xD

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Or get bored

sage helm Nov 14, 2019, 6:20 PM

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At least there wasnt apex spam

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Actually

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There still was

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 6:20 PM

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By the time you got to become one you could have progressed to adult rex two times in a row

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Yaknow, during Prog times I actually didnt see a crippling amount of rexes

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That was nice

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 6:21 PM

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And as a rex if you got seen by a hypo you were actually dead

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 6:21 PM

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Hahahaha yeah

warped harbor Nov 14, 2019, 6:21 PM

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They did however have a chance to break their legs

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But they could not survive a single hit I believe

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So the only chance they had was to assride them somehow, and even then hypos heal broken bones in like 1 minute standing up

wintry cipher Nov 14, 2019, 6:38 PM

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@gritty helm psure it was stated you have to live 48 hours before you can start to grow to 2.0 from 1.0. to show how long.

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But that could be completely different when it comes out so who knows

thorn wagon Nov 14, 2019, 6:43 PM

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Plus that’s a Deino specific thing iirc, growing past 1.0 I mean

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:29 PM

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@thorny lynx you need more than "dunno what this could be but it looks cool, small tyrannosaur is neat"

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blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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HOW MANY TIMES

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DO WE HAVE TO DO THIS

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GIVE. MECHANICS.

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:30 PM

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It being cool does not give enough of a reason to spend $7000 on the animal's model, life stages, calls and animations

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You've been here long enough to know this shit at this point

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Mechanics is what makes people go from ignoring your suggestion to actually talking about it.

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Aka aquatic nodosaur dondiLUL

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Aquatic Nodosaur works until you realise Deinosuchus is a thing, and unless the Nodosaur can charge it head on before the Deino gets the first bite, it's fucked.

viral creek Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Ok it literally looks like a juvi rex

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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What is going to challenge deino?

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Well im not about to support such a lacking and barren suggestion so I'll put a thumb down

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Spino

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Anything else?

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Depending on the size, arguably Sucho?

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:44 PM

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Anything bigger or smart enough that gets a dumbass deino on land

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Hmmm

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Or sucho yeah, if the deino's younger

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I wonder how their turn radius will be on land, and if the deino will be able to do the new turn that is replacing alt turning

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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I think by all means Semi-aqautic Nodosaur could work as a side thing, but it should not be 100% dependant on being a psudo hippo.

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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Everything will be able to turn in place

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So i'd assume deino gets that turn too

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:45 PM

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May be a bit difficult to nom its butt on land then

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Would have to be smart I suppose

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Distract from the front while another nips the butt

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I aint getting near those jaws

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Not if its slow. Takes a bit for long animal to turn properly

warped zealot Nov 14, 2019, 7:46 PM

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Perhaps

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:50 PM

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I'm still waiting for Fluff to come in and actually defend "Moros"

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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I mean hippos still walk around on land and can trot at a good pace

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so if the water is infested they can just walk to another water source

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Yes, but Hippos don't carry around armor on their back.

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Plus they have different skeletal structures, one is more mobile than the other.

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:56 PM

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to be honest i'm just trying to find any way one can work, as I know bryan prefers them to anky

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:56 PM

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Not saying it can't work, just that the whole hippo angle isn't going to work like you think it is.

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Having the role of a Hippo implies nothing is going to challenge you.

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 7:58 PM

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yeah wasn't picturing that. more it can move to where there is less danger

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if it's dangerous on land move into the water, if more dangerous there move onto land and try to operate at night

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 7:59 PM

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What a Nodosaur's defensive capabilties? You're making them out to be completely usesless when they still have light armor, shoulder spikes and a nasty whip tail.

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 8:00 PM

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nothing that could help them vs a rex

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being not that fast and not that big

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yet also not small enough to hide under a single bush

blazing charm Nov 14, 2019, 8:01 PM

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But you still have protection against other animals, do you not?

valid zephyr Nov 14, 2019, 8:01 PM

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against an allo they would be fine

indigo sun Nov 14, 2019, 8:04 PM

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@thorny lynx are you ever gonna elaborate or just leave that barely-a-suggestion to sit there doing nothing good

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Okay guess not

gritty helm Nov 15, 2019, 5:01 AM

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@stoic sentinel I believe that there'll be designated area's of the map where certain species will spawn (which applies to AI as well). for example; Deinosuchus will spawn closer to lakes and swampy area's

stoic sentinel Nov 15, 2019, 5:02 AM

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Oh ya that makes sense. Thank you

gritty helm Nov 15, 2019, 5:10 AM

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np

paper oriole Nov 15, 2019, 5:20 AM

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Troll in suggestions

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:28 AM

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@blazing charm @valid zephyr
Running in the water would save a nodo from utahs dilos and maybe even allo, but what if it's a spino? Dondi said Spino shoudl eb able to just sit on anky and crush him, what prevents him to do the same to nodo, who's stuck underwater? if anything a spino could just come up to a nodo and force him to drown then drag the body out of the water. Hippos don't have to deal with something 4 times their size comign around and holding them underwater until they drown

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:29 AM

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I know, that was my point.

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:29 AM

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Water nodosaur is a bad meme

sullen otter Nov 15, 2019, 8:29 AM

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God is dead

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:30 AM

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"i Will run from rexes going to water"
Deino waits on water

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Also, don't really see Utah hunting a Nodosaur unless in a group, seems like too much effort

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Nodo could just be optimized for water places where a deino (or at least an adult one) can't really sneak on a nodosaurus

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Utah was just a bad example

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:31 AM

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what's a deino the size of a nile crocodile gonna do to a nodosaurus?

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:31 AM

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That seems incredibly niche

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:31 AM

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yeah but as a nodo you can always get out of the water

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it's just that you'll find water plants that will get you better nourishment... your favorite food in a way

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Still running to water because you are going to get screwed by apex is a sad joke because water is also filled with apex that like the terrestrial ones are faster than you

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:32 AM

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tell that to Sucho

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:32 AM

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Sucho is only 1/3 of the aquatics

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Also spino will outspeed a nodo everywhere

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Why do you people keep making Nodo so utterly useless in combat that it needs to run or hide?

The whole point of people trying to shoehorn a Nodosaur in instead of trying to fix Anky is to have an armored animal that can fight back.

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:33 AM

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I think nodo being ligfhter than anky and having longer legs (iirc) would allow it to sprint away from a spino

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and it still has spikes on it's shoulders

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wouldn't want to get a nodosaurus in my ankles, personnaly

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and the tail swipe may not have bone break, but it's still gonna hurt

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anky is a sitting duck while nodo could use it's spikes to charge you

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that's not "useless" imo

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but people tend to make Nodo like a "fleed and hide" dino and it doesn't really work

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:36 AM

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Im just saying the whole "nodo could flee to water" is stupid i dont deny a nodo could be made strong enought to be a strong midtier with enought speed and stam to scape from rexes

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People is just stupid they want para to be a fighter but want a nodo to be a fleeing animal

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Well, wanting a "hippo" dino that won't fight back is... kinda contradicting

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Exactly

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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It's not entirely stupid, people just get carried away with it, and try to make the water stuff the main appeal.

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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An hippo is basically an herbivore stronger croc

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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hippo

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Hippo

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:39 AM

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don't get confused

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 8:39 AM

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I know

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I just mispelled

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:39 AM

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hippos still get out of water to feed and they are still terrifying on land

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I think nodo should be able to do that "running at the bottom of the lake" thing

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and be able to "sprint" for a short time underwater

blazing charm Nov 15, 2019, 8:41 AM

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Yeah, that'd be alright.

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 8:41 AM

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yet I'd like to find a way to make it able to raise on its hindlegs to reahc the surface to breathe

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and I mean, keyboard-wise because we don't have any dino that works that way

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dinos will be able to dive and surface, but my idea for nodo is that it can walk on the "sea"floor and raise on its hindlegs if it's tall enough to grab some air

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but you'd need different animations or variations depending on the height of the surface

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and possibly youngsters beign able to choose if they want to swim or walk, and being slowly forced to walk until they are unable to swim

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but walking would prove way faster since nodo would be able to do quick dashes while underwater, so it's a net improvement to just swim, and swimming being just for juvies to be sure to have access to air when they're diving for food or following their parents around, because dad and mom can just stand on their legs to reach air but as a juvie you can't, so you swim to the surface

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tell me if that makes sense both mechanically and gameplay wise

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 9:10 AM

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To be clear i'd rather have anky and by done with it. It's a much more viable animal in the games meta. I just remember Bryans comments about how he prefers nodosaurs so was just thinking about any way they could possibly work and not get snacked on by the first apex which sees it.

Against mid tiers they would function fine and be able to kill things like allos if they fought, but every apex in the game could overpower them due to sheer size, while nodosaurs are also not very fast to couldn't run. The hippo idea was just a potential ability to give them to allow them to run around on the riverbed to avoid danger which is too big to fight, and even graze on plants while down there. Hell even armadillos hold their breath and walk through rivers.

Even without the water aspect, the night vision part was another potential way to make them operate at a time of day where they would see less danger.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 9:58 AM

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https://twitter.com/TapwingARTS/status/1195164676151283712 aquatic ankylosaur tyme

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for Nodosaurs, i was imagining that they would be perfectly fine armoured tanks on land. Just with the added ability of being able to move swiftly thru water

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dunno where the notion of defenceless nodosaurs came from

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Also, make nodosaurs inflict passive dmg if a predator bites on it's spikes/sharp parts of it's armour

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Yep defo not defenceless vs mids and even pseudo apexes. But against any apex they just don't have the size or speed to do anything against.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:02 AM

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As for deino/spino waiting in the water while the nodo is escaping from an apex on land:
That is assuming ever water sources is infested with fully grown deinos and spinos

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With how huge of a map Hope is, I'm willing to bet on some water sources being empty

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:08 AM

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Not sure if nodo could outrun spino on land.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:10 AM

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entirely depends on TI's spino's stats

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most if not all mid tiers should have a tough time with nodosaurs

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what good nodosaur choices would there be?
Cus a lot of them are rather small

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 10:17 AM

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I know sauropelta is decently big and also has good shoulder spikes

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:20 AM

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edmontonia is one of the larger ones

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sauropelta looks cool af

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Panoplosaurus is quite big but has low mass estimates compared to similar sized nodosaurs

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most seem to fall between 4 and 7 metres long

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2-3 tons usually

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Sauropelta is larger than Edmontonia

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though the largest nodosaurs irl hover around 2 tons only dondiSucc

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but hey, TI can always commit a Diabloceratops and upsize the fucker

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:24 AM

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anky is 7-8 metres and over 5 tons in most estimates

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and has a massive tail club

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Sauropelta is cool, and probs would be the most viable on land... But it's hard to see those large spikes moving thru water

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

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It was mainly an idea to make it both viable and also give it a mechanic nothing else has.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Edmontonia and Denversaurus are also large, but they are a bit lacking on the shoulder spike department

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Acantholipan has neat hip spikes, but no shoulder spikes

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valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:30 AM

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nodosaurs do look so damn cool.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:31 AM

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more interesting than ankylosaurs imo

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gastonia or polocanthus could be a contender, though a bit on the small side

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valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:33 AM

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Trouble is irl they might do well as it's not worth it for a carni to manage to kill one. effort for food ratio isn't high enough, and they might get hurt trying it.

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in the isle people will kill them no matter how tough it is and how little food they get, as they can just heal off all damage

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a much larger predator might take a few nibbles and walk off. in the isle a rex will sprint up, kill it, heal off the damage, and just walk off.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 10:36 AM

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since nodosaurs are so spiky, what if every attack to the nodo would deal passive dmg to the predator, regardless of where the predator attacks.
Which also lowers the dmg received by the nodo

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:38 AM

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That is a mechanic that I liked the idea of and sugested it for Kentrosaurus

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:00 AM

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o, gotta somehow make nodo's armour/passive dmg mechanic different from kentros

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also, kentro is 1.2 tons, so the nodosaur would def need to be bigger than that

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:04 AM

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yeah kentro is tiny.

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anky is just more viable than nodosaur in every way for this game imo.

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it's a lot bigger and more massive, and has a huge club on its tail.

jovial moss Nov 15, 2019, 11:05 AM

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The game would have so much variation if super apexes weren't in it

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:06 AM

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debatable

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ankylosaurs could only hit stuff directly behind it

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and probs were slower than nodosaurs

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nodosaur tails iirc were more flexible, essentially a giant chain whip with spikes attached

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along with some species of nodos having shoulder spikes

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Doesn't matter how fast a nodosaur is, with that build it's slower than rex and giga.

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Hell dibble can only barely escape them, and those are a far better build for running.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:09 AM

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and diablo was also massively upsized to fill it's niche

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:09 AM

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it's slower than rex and about 1kph faster than giga

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doesn't matter if it's dibble or styraco sitting there with those stats.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

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i mean, upsizing is a thing in TI

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why not upsize a nodo

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:10 AM

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upsizing to anky size is the only way I can see it working.

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but with the latest dev comments it seems that they want to move things to more realistic sizes

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:11 AM

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probs a bit weaker than anky at ~4t

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o, do u hv a screenie

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:12 AM

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will try to find it

jovial moss Nov 15, 2019, 11:12 AM

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I just meant with things like Rex, Giga and Spino around, its hard to have variation if you want to keep all of the playables big, since theres are a lot less giant dinosaurs than there are mid sized dinosaurs and small dinosaurs, so the variation is less than if, say, sucho was the biggest carnivore

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Not to mention the fat size gaps kind of fuck up balance right now

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:15 AM

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still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:19 AM

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doesnt say anything about realistic sizes

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just says that stuff will grow to max size instead of average size

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Yeah it's been taken in different ways. Some people seem to think it means things are going to realistic sizes.

still temple Nov 15, 2019, 11:20 AM

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average size =/= unrealistic

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usually it's max size estimates that leads to oversizing

indigo sun Nov 15, 2019, 1:20 PM

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@outer lion

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valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:23 PM

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He did give specific values, so his post was fine.

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even if it is an awful idea

white torrent Nov 15, 2019, 1:24 PM

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Both of those were pretty awful

indigo sun Nov 15, 2019, 1:30 PM

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He needs a reason why though. I mean regardless of having specific values, how does it change giga's balance and work with the entire survival roster?

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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The reason, while not written, is obvious

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Muh Rex is op

indigo sun Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Well yeah no shit

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I'm sure the mods will get onto them if its a big deal

indigo sun Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I'll just give it a thumbs down in the meantime

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Give it

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:31 PM

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I just squinted.

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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But no
buffing giga isnt what we need

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Unless we wanna screw over mid tiers more LMAO

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Is the last thing wr need

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Buff giga is a meme and should stay that way.

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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A bad meme

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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buff rex when

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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In some ways it's already too powerful. Bite force too high and alt turn too fast.

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:32 PM

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dondiLUL

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I just dont think we should balance apexes around rex

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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If its bite force got lowered to about 500 and it was given a higher bleed then it would actually function as a bleeder

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currently it doesn't even need bleed damage

indigo sun Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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People gotta stop going after rexes like idiots then complain they lost to the animal theyre not supposed to fight

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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One of the fastest bite speed while also having the second bite dmg and the second bleed

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Apexes should be balanced around how we want them to interact with mid to low tiers

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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If a giga sees a rex then it should turn around and walk away.

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Yep

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 PM

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rex can't catch gigas crazy trot

lilac swallow Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 PM

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And also, Rex niche is practically the apex killer, wether we like It or not

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Get the rex to drain its stam dondiPathetic

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Rex should be the king of close range ambush then left click spam to death. Nothing can compare to its build and bite force.

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Yep

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But people complain because they try to hunt them or facetank them and die

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Rexes rng bb annoys me a lot though

warped zealot Nov 15, 2019, 1:35 PM

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bless the fact that rng bb will be gone

barren zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 2:12 PM

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giga with 900 N ? dondiYikes

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ouch

wintry cipher Nov 15, 2019, 2:24 PM

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That's old giga facetanking and beating rex territory. Remember? That was a thing people.

slender spindle Nov 15, 2019, 2:32 PM

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900N!!!!!!!

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850N was too much

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700N is fine

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well i would put giga with (the new max size that all dinos are getting) 7,900hp (since weight is not a combat stat and hp and weight are the same soon) 500N, 50 bleed (rex looks to be getting a speed buff 34ish so) and 33.8km/h and 50 stam is fine the way it is (nerf trot so only a bit faster then rex, say rex has 12km trot giga gets 15km trot)

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so a hit and run to kill rex (hopefully the bb will be correct so you know if you get bone break you know it was fair)

craggy scarab Nov 15, 2019, 4:36 PM

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@outer lion and @fierce geyser please see the pinned messages, you have to elaborate on why Dino x should be nerfed or buffed

viral creek Nov 15, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Couldn't giga literally facetank a rex with 850N

wintry cipher Nov 15, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Yes

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It's bite force is slightly faster that that combined with the bleed made it fucking cancer on thenyaw

viral creek Nov 15, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

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heccin giga

civic sky Nov 15, 2019, 5:41 PM

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The old giga was the only thing ever to be as scary as the old theri. Well, shant is another one I suppose lol.

potent sonnet Nov 15, 2019, 6:09 PM

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Bone break giga was the scariest thing to exist.

wintry cipher Nov 15, 2019, 6:18 PM

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....fuck I was playing during that time period too

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You genuinely needed mixpacking to deal with that shit

crimson phoenix Nov 15, 2019, 9:47 PM

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I'm really glad I missed this part of the isle ^

rare oracle Nov 15, 2019, 9:56 PM

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And i rly hate this part named "Isle of rexes"

wintry cipher Nov 15, 2019, 10:39 PM

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Ngl isle of rexes is less entertaining than the mix packing days. At least you were fighting for control over territory against other groups. I hate mix packing, don't get me wrong, but my God this is boring

crimson phoenix Nov 15, 2019, 10:41 PM

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is "Isle of Rexes" what we are calling the game rn? I haven't seen to many rexes recently

valid zephyr Nov 15, 2019, 10:45 PM

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@outer lion female should place the nest and build 50%. Male should then build second 50%.

This logs both parents and allows nesting.

Then the hatchlings can choose their own skin with a selection of either of the parents colours.

hallow vigil Nov 16, 2019, 1:26 AM

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@barren zephyr pls read pinned messages, #general-feedback isnt the place to report bugs

barren zephyr Nov 16, 2019, 1:26 AM

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sorry

slender spindle Nov 16, 2019, 3:55 AM

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we are indeed in the isle if rexes

forest plover Nov 16, 2019, 6:08 AM

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crimson phoenix Nov 16, 2019, 6:42 AM

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My opinion is the more dinosaurs the better. I like shant, I enjoy playing it and I like that they are a herbivore that actually poses a threat to apex carnivores. I do take issue in that its stomp is VERY broken. If the recode fixes multi hits it will be balanced in my opinion, big animal that takes a long time to grow that is worth a lot of food.

violet magnet Nov 16, 2019, 7:00 AM

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they could just rebalance shant instead of just removing it altogether

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like...people's main problem with shant seems to be that it's powerful and too fast, just change some of the number values to make it slower and not as much of a threat

crimson phoenix Nov 16, 2019, 7:01 AM

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except for the multi hit and how it grows shant is balanced to the current game IMO

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it hits hard than trike in both attacks but doesn't ahve bleed