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jolly belfry Oct 20, 2019, 5:57 PM

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Gigas can kill rex if you know mechanics

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You have to ambush them without being noticed and give them 2-3 bites then its your win

jolly belfry Oct 20, 2019, 6:34 PM

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@tranquil kite same

rare axle Oct 20, 2019, 6:34 PM

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omg stop with this stupid duck

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theri ftw

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 6:57 PM

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Plus I feel like people kinda forget that an Omnivorous Deinocheirus is basically going to be the final nail in the coffin for Sucho

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 6:57 PM

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dondiSquint

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 6:58 PM

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IT WOULD

random knoll Oct 20, 2019, 6:58 PM

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Rexes running down gigas... wtf

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Oh wow, Deinocheirus, it fishes, oh no, it invalidates sucho now, despite still being a herbivore. It's not like the thing would be predating on Sucho, it'd just be filling a similar niche

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For someone who is adamant about squeezing Baryonyx in, an animal that would be in a very similar situation with the existence of sucho and spino, you seem to quick to jump the gun.

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Deinocheirus does nothing to Sucho, it doesn't predate it, all it does is fish, other than that, they have no reason to ever interact

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Especially when fish themselves aren't a requirement to fishers in general

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 7:05 PM

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So, what happens when a Suchomimus starts getting bullied by a Deinocheirus for competing with it's fish supply? Yes by all means Suchomimus should be able to hunt, but I thought the whole point of Suchomimus owning rivers and Spinosaurus owning the ocean is that the two didn't directly compete with each other in terms of fish.

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I distinctly remember having a conversation with you where that was a point you brought up.

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:06 PM

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The key factor being that Spinosaurus would actually predate on sucho.

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Deinocheirus wouldn't.

random knoll Oct 20, 2019, 7:06 PM

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Doesn’t Deino croc invalidate sucho too then?

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:07 PM

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With the massive size of the map were getting, there's plenty room for similar playstyles to be pushed in.

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There are plenty of rivers and other wet areas for two distinct animals whom happen to share a similar prey choice to coexist

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Especially when said animals have two completely different diets when you look past the fishing aspect

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Well, when you put it like that.

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:10 PM

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This isn't me weighing in on Deinocheirus's behalf, if were going to have a big slappy lad herbivore, give me theri instead, besides, I still despise the idea of omnivores to begin with.

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But the whole 'it fishes so sucho is useless' excuse is vague, Spino fishes too, but it fishes differently from sucho, while also occupying a completely different environment in order to fish

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 7:12 PM

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I just felt like it was going to be a similar issue you brought up with the Spinosaurus

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since Deino could easily kick the everloving shit out of Sucho if it wanted to, atleast imo

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Oh sure, it could, very easily, has to catch it first though

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But fish is something neither side needs in order to survive

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least on Suchos end

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both are also mobile land animals

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If one kicks the other out, either wait for it to leave or move to a new part of the river

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~~This is extremely uncomfortable, defending an animal, or class in general that I despise the idea of~~ It'll never be perfect, but it can work

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Just like bary and sucho can work

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It ain't the most optimal setting, there are going to be flaws, but it can be done

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 7:17 PM

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What if Deinocheirus used a different or altered form of fishing?

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Something that oculd create a skill-gap between it and Sucho?

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So one's more of an oppertunist while the other is adept?

random knoll Oct 20, 2019, 7:18 PM

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I mean they can just go after different fish in different areas

unborn quail Oct 20, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Don't think we'll have enough fish to force each fisher into a separate group

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There's no need to spend that much money

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there will be overlap, the biggest divergent point being sheer size of what each can handle

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You could give Deinocheirus a movement based fishing style, much like spoon bills

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It slowly walks through the water with its head low, sifting its jaws through the water

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Like so https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQdb9Hivmcs

YouTube

Kristina Trowbridge

Spoonbill Fishing

This is a busy bird catching dinner

▶ Play video

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it'd be a nice change of pace from Sucho, whom seems to be very much a stationary fisher, or spino who full on dives into the water

blazing charm Oct 20, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Honestly, something like that could work.

limpid dove Oct 20, 2019, 7:52 PM

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In that suggestion, rex ambush lasting 25 seconds?? no

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More like 7

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A top tier, apex predator running at 40kmh for 25 seconds..yikes

indigo sun Oct 20, 2019, 7:53 PM

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yeah literally no one agreed with that guy

limpid dove Oct 20, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Rex is an ambush predator for a reason. That includes his base running speed and ambush speed.

tender rampart Oct 20, 2019, 7:54 PM

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@slender spindle Bro if you’re getting outrun by a rex as a full grown giga 100% of the time....maybe what’s to blame here is your skill not the game 😂. Because I have never gotten run down by a rex while I am a giga and I SEE a rex coming my way. The only time I get caught is when the rex catches me by surprise

limpid dove Oct 20, 2019, 7:54 PM

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^

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You can literally outtrot a rex AND regen your stam back

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And ambushing already takes like, 25% or more of their current stam - a rexes

valid zephyr Oct 20, 2019, 8:34 PM

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Deinocheirus would be a pretty fun dino to have imo. Would be a good large omnivore.

ashen elm Oct 20, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yes. Also another semi-aquatic! Dienosuchus and spinosaurids don't get to have all the fun.

viral creek Oct 20, 2019, 8:56 PM

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I really love deinocheirus as a dinosaur, and he's the first dinosaur that would come to mind when I hear that omnivores are being added!
I just don't know how we would balance him.

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If anything, suchos and deinos could eat different kind of seafood. Like think of a deino like a spoonbill, or even a flamingo, and sucho like a bear.

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Like Nova said, deino can kind of wade around, and eat large amounts of smaller fish and crustaceans while sucho can pick out the bigger ones.

ashen elm Oct 20, 2019, 8:58 PM

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I mean, he's 6 tons and probably is nowhere near as a good a swimmer as Dieno or Spino (who will apparently also go into the oceans).

He's basically the apex terrestrial-wader fisher. Sucho should be faster and stay out it's way.

umbral prairie Oct 20, 2019, 8:58 PM

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maybe deinocheirus could eat fish, but mainly eat plants (possibly water plants) because it's better for affinity or sth

barren zephyr Oct 20, 2019, 9:06 PM

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it could swallow juvies whole like a pelican just saying

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or takeover a nest and feast on the hatchlings

ashen elm Oct 20, 2019, 9:07 PM

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The way I could see it hypothetically divided.

Dienosuchus = Ambush Apex Predator, potentially found in all ecosystems and water sources
Sucho = Piscivore that can hunt small to mid tier animals, fluvial or inland environments
Dienocherius = Piscivore that will also subsist on horsetails and other aquatic vegetation, inland fluvial or lucustrine environments
Spinosaurus = Apex Piscivore that can occasionally hunt big game, coastal mangroves and ocean predator

barren zephyr Oct 20, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Theri is lame boomer shit,
Real men prefer Deinocheirus dryoAAA

steady cosmos Oct 20, 2019, 9:10 PM

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Imagine a giant turkey with knives attached to its fingers

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coming at you menacingly

ashen elm Oct 20, 2019, 9:13 PM

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I mean, Theri could be be made to be more unique. If it was just trying to be the hadrosaur or sauropod of it's environment (which already had both) it would not need its huge claws. Plus it's weird anatomy.

There's no solid scientific proof of it but I could easily see Theri fill a type of giant ant-eater or ground sloth niche. It could be a cool herbivore-insectivore if they added giant termite or ants hills.

valid zephyr Oct 20, 2019, 9:40 PM

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theri is also a herbi which isn't a wader dino

valid flower Oct 20, 2019, 9:46 PM

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@slender spindle And what about the trike?

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You want a rex to 4 shot a trike thats forced to fight since it's so slow and has no choice?

warped zealot Oct 20, 2019, 9:48 PM

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👏 n 👏 o

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 2:17 AM

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i would buff trike as well but i havent got around to doing so @valid flower

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so please just take my suggestion has a comparison between rex and giga and not anything else as if this comes to life i believe everything else would get a little more

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i would probably buff trikes damage to 500N instead of 360N

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and remove the stam debuff

echo bridge Oct 21, 2019, 2:51 AM

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I mean it looks nice, only "flaw" for me imo is that it isnt adjusted towards a considerable post recode balance structure where weight doesn't go into the dmg calculation. But admittedly that would take a lot of time to set up and configure

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Good for what it is

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Actually, gigas ambush being the same speed as rexes is weird to me, imo make rexes ambush 44 kmph and last 6 seconds(technically 5 with acceleration) especially since you nerfed the stam and rex needs its ambush to properly present a menacing threat to more than just big dinos

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Or even 42 would be ok

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 2:54 AM

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i know i would do it to the most updated i can't but i just don't how post recode stats work

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42 is what i had originally but then i traded it off for a longer duration of not 10secs of ambush and not a 6secs

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and the stam of rex i nerfd by 3 secs

echo bridge Oct 21, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Ah I didnt see that

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Sorry

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Gimme a sec...

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Gigas ambush is staying at 8 seconds? I dont see mention of it

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 2:57 AM

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if i didn't mention it then yes it remains the same

echo bridge Oct 21, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Rexes being same speed and longer is weird, but interesting...

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Sounds fine within the current systems, just I'd personally rather have a different giga altogether(due to it being an oppressive role in the ecosystem that a psuedo apex could more fairly place into.) But I like your suggestion. More well thought out than most 👌

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 2:59 AM

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thanks
i like it as if a rex is ambushing a giga in the open then it really comes down it if rex gives up or not and then 2secs really isnt alot so it makes rex want to be more stealthy to hunt a giga

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i just think if a rex wants to hunt a giga it should be stealthy in order to catch it instead of just running or crouching towards it in the open

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 4:21 AM

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A big no for that trike, if trike is getting an increase in all stats it should NOT have that stam regen buff, absolutely not lol. Imagine a full grown trike with those stats being able to chase down your partially grown full adult rex, only cause its 27kmh now. Not bashing on you, but trikes are already op as fuck. They'll be even harder to kill when the recode comes out, I think their stats are fine where they're at. Hopefully my old suggestion about "trike should be a last case scenario for any carnivore apex to hunt" - simply because if you're gonna hunt a trike, you should fully expect to either get your ass fucked, or die. One gore from those horns in the right area can be absolutely fatal lol

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In the neck? Likely fatal. Somewhere around the stomach? Likely fatal. Ribs? Likely fatal. Facetank and get a gore in the head? Fatal. Hunting a solo trike would require at least two skilled carnivore apex, one to distract and the other to make the hits. While the stat change would make them pretty much unstoppable, keep in mind that their stomp deals a shitton of physical damage as well as nasty bleed. Their gore does physical too, not as much, but still does that bleed. Either way, you'll end up with some serious injuries. And if you win the battle, remember that there's always something else watching and the probability that you'll get finished off from something like a dilo lol

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Of course, I'm referring to my old suggestion ^

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Surprisingly from what I remember, a lot of people gave my "trike should be last case scenario" suggestion plenty of love. Just cause you wanna make someone else salty doesnt mean the battle should be ease for you

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Easy*

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Anyways, 📖, tldr; a no to the trike suggestion because trike is fatal enough and doesnt need to have any stat changes, and will end up being even more fatal in the future. Maybe.

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Mostly just be blabbering dondiSucc

paper oriole Oct 21, 2019, 4:57 AM

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"Trikes are already OP as fuck"

Have you considered a career in comedy?

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 5:43 AM

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trike gets face tanked by rex rn

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and rex is faster

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ok with the stam i probably should have it at about 35-40sec ish over what it is now for the trike but this was just what people wanted me to include im currently doing a sucho and dibble one up to make them up to par with what i showed

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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@limpid dove have you seen the rest of my suggestion as well or just look at trike because i rebalanced the rex and giga as well

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also in you paragraph you say trikes would be running down young rexes, how??? 27 to like 34-35ish and more stam not likly and if you do how close do you want to be the behemoth that is trike

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:39 AM

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“Cerato is a bit strong”

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I swear

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I

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I just can’t

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 8:43 AM

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yeah i know this was made a while ago

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2,500kg weight nerfs it tho

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the 4,000 health is just so allo don't see it as a push over

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Ok I’m confused, are you saying Cerato is weak or strong?

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Bc in ur suggestion it says “Cerato is a bit strong”

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Which is just like

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So wrong

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Alright so I’m gonna operate on the assumption that you are saying Cerato is too weak

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Which is true

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But the health isn’t the issue

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It’s the Stam and bleed res

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Cerato gets bled out by dilo in 2 bites

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Cerato/dilo rn is 50/50

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But imo it’s more like 45/55 in favor of dilo

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Because dilo is faster and wins the trade

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It can heal off the bleed from Cerato’s bite very quickly

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Where as Cerato runs out of Stam before it heals dilo 1 bite bleed

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And if you run with Cerato having one bite from dilo it bleeds out

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Keep in mind that Cerato is meant to specialize in fighting smaller creatures

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Yet it loses to dilo at least half the Time

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And even Utah isn’t a guaranteed victory

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Also with Cerato’s current Stam it makes it almost impossible to outpace allo, which is the reason that it is said to be “invalidated by allo”

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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How the hell could someone say cera is too strong?

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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It’s not bc it loses to allo

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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It needs much higher bleed res.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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It’s because it’s almost impossible to escape it

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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350 impact

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I think 40 km/h

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Nope

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36

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Always thought it was 40

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Well it isn’t

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It’s 36

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And the damage isn’t an issue

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It’s the bleed res and Stam

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100% guaranteed bleed out from 2 dilo bites

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I like the way they changed cerato

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:01 AM

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And if you run with 1

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:01 AM

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I think that's what they're talking about in their suggestion

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:01 AM

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You will die

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I mean I like the way they changed it too

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Cera rex was bad

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The idea is good

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But like

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It can’t do what it’s supposed to

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Again

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50/50 with dilo

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:02 AM

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You saying cerato should 50/50 dilo?

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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No

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I’m saying it does rn

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Ah

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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part of the problem is allos op ambush

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Which is exactly the problem

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Well

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Yeah allo needs tweaking as well

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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cera is meant to be faster, but allos near unlimted spammable ambush means it's actually faster.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Nova has some good ideas about that

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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100% allo 25% bleed res

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Those are its problems

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:03 AM

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I mean

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Not really

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Like

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Really

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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It’s Stam makes it impossible to escape allo

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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How fast is allos run

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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It’s not just allos Stam

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34 iirc

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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And cerato

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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36

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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So if you give cerato better stam and nerf allos ambush

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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And Better bleed res

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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And increase cerato speed to 39-40

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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No

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Doesn’t need a speed increase

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Bleed res isnt its only problem davis

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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Ik

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Just said that

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Stam and bleed res

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:05 AM

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yet you mention it like its the worst problem

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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It is

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Its not

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Bleed res its worst problem

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By far

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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Allo

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Absolutely

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Demolishes

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cerato

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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I know

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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main thing that needs changing is ceras bleed res and allos ambush.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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100% allo

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25% bleed res

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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It isn’t just allo

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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those two combined are ceras entire problem.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:06 AM

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It’s dilo

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Again

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Cerato is 50/50 with dilo

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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You can change bleed and dilo but allo will still fuck you over

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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It’s supposed specialty

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I know

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That’s why

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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increasing ceras bleed res will make it able to fight dilo better.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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Stam buff

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Bleed res and Stam

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:07 AM

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also nerfing allos ambush will mean it doesn't wreck para so hard.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Nerfing allos ambush means it would be balanced

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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I agree

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Allo needs changes too

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General Stam nerf instead of ambush nerf tho imo

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Well

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Trouble with talking about one dinos balance and suggesting changes, means you run up against another dinos unbalanced aspects.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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A little less ambush too

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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The ambush is the problem lol

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:08 AM

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But it should be an Ambush predator

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Like

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Yeah

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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You wanna run? Say hello to 44 km/h ambush

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For however long

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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an Amish predator?

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Autocorrect

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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lol

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Ambush

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With allo should be the skill based ambush

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not the speed boost

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Yep

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Allo doesn't even need its amazing ambush anyway. It can catch para without ambushing.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Like preparing should be allos main feature

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Yep

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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And para can basically half way regrow a new para before its stam has returned.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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2 guys here 1 guy there and boom you have your food

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Allo just has not a single downside atm.

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Small allo ambush nerf, general Stam nerf

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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Thats speaking if herbivores were more into running

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which they arent

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:10 AM

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I just made a suggestion on herbis running.

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a certain two in particular.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:11 AM

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IMO fear and stress

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Thats all you need

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something near you that has teeth?

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Dont fucking run into it

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you literally dont want to be near it

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:11 AM

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unless you're a dibble/trike

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:11 AM

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It should mostly depend on size

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:12 AM

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atm para is better off charging the allo. If it fights head on it will stand a good chance of winning. If it flees the allo catches it and murders it from behind.

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why on earth would para choose to flee right now?

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Para is a mixed herb

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:13 AM

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and if you run out of stam and get caught you can't kick to certain death.

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Gotta actually use your brain to play it

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What's gonna kill me over what isnt

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What can i fight

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what do i run from

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:13 AM

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I think para should be incentivised to flee from allo

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atm it's only option is to charge it

steady cosmos Oct 21, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Para should be a pushy dino

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And also should really intimidate allo

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since it stands pretty large

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Intimidating players is tough in games as they simply know the stats.

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Imo both para and maia should have a really strong backwards kick to use while fleeing, but really bad frontal attacks.

fiery peak Oct 21, 2019, 9:52 AM

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Small stat randomization would be nice

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Perhaps certain things would increase stats slightly over long periods of time. Like running all the time gives tiny bit of stamina cap increase for example

normal fern Oct 21, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Just Maia, para is better as a jack of all trades herbivore

To balance it make it good at both but not at the same time.

Good at fleeing, but if it gets caught it can’t then fight very well.

And excellent at standing it’s ground, but if it underestimated the competition is can’t then just run away.

this stops it from running down predators as it can fight and run very well, but if it tries to run after an allo and simply attack it it gets its head torn of

It either stands it’s ground against an allo or it runs, but neither at the same time.

Whatever you choose you commit to 100%, if it turns out to be the wrong decision, you can’t then change your decision

Right now para really plays the way Diablo plays, it’s forced to fight which it does really well, but it lacks the versatility it should have to differentiate it from the “stand your ground mid tier”

valid zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 10:09 AM

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Currently para seems like a worse dibble. I'd rather give it a focus on fleeing and shaking off attackers with back kicks.

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Somthing to make it play really different.

wanton phoenix Oct 21, 2019, 12:50 PM

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tail swipe or a hip check or a back kick yea

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:26 PM

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@slender spindle fresh adult rex does NOT start at its top speed, nothing does. They always start off lower than their max speed. And I did, I still have my opinion set that giga can trot away from rex and that rex is an ambush predator.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:27 PM

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i know but its not 27km/h slow

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:27 PM

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That's why I'm saying a full adult trike at 27kmh would chase down pretty much anything that's considerably fresh

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27kmh is a big difference to 25kmh, it's that little boost itll need to catch up to gigas current trot just a bit quicker, etc etc

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Pretty much 27kmh is a little adjustment but too much as well as all its stats you gave it. Again, not bashing, but imo, trike is fine where it's at

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:30 PM

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if you fresh adult rex then why are you close enough to a adult trike then?

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:30 PM

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Sometimes those scenarios happen

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Trike is in the forest, rex is in the open, his mistake.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 PM

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no

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you forget bone break

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1 hit

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slowed

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Lol

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Nope

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 PM

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to a fucking stand still

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 PM

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Rex bone break chances are decreased the younger it is iirc

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:31 PM

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i know

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but it is there

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:32 PM

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And even then, if it successfully gets that bone break first bite, itll have already been gored probably 2-3 times and will die momentarily

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:32 PM

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and rex is doing the same thing to trike and giga now

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:32 PM

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Rex shouldn't be able to facetank stuff and live. Especially a trike

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:32 PM

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it can rn

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tho

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM

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With the new combat system, it's all subject to change. People are gonna piss and moan when they lose their rex to a trike cause they thought they could facetank and complain that trike is too op lol

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM

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well i see your just a rex fanboy that thinks rex should be some sort of god

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Uh, fuck rex.

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Rex is too op where it stands

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It shouldn't be able to just massacre absolutely everything and get away with it 99% of the time. If I were a fanboy of rex, I think I'd be praising it, not bashing it

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:35 PM

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thats what my suggestion is changing

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have you read my suggestion?

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:36 PM

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But rex in-game is meant to be an ambush predator. If giga can both trot and run it down, that beats the purpose. Rex needs its little running nieche on top of its bone break to fight stuff. If anything, rex is a stronger giga with less bleed.

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As of right now

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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how is rex having more base speed makes it a ambush predator?

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makes no sense

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Its ambush is fast and lasts a couple seconds, its base speed in a way plays into it, because it's still keeping up with you.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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giga should atleast has the option to get away

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:37 PM

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It's only got like what, a 4 second ambush speed?

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:38 PM

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6secs

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and i buff it to 10secs

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which is alot

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:39 PM

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From what I'm seeing, you just swapped the giga and rex speeds and whatnot. You buffed giga a little bit.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:40 PM

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i buffed rexes weight and no rex right now has 33.4 to gigas 30.6

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i make the speeds 33 giga and 30 rex

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Giga is hit and run, it relies on landing a bite or two and letting its opponent bleed out, hence why its trot is so good.

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Rex is ambush and relies on its bite force to kill stuff

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:40 PM

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and it can't do that with rex

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Rex can tank a hit, giga cant do as much

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It absolutely can

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:41 PM

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how?

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30.4 to 33.4

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a big speed difference

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:41 PM

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Bleed.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:41 PM

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yeah what?

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bleed means shit in a face tank

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:42 PM

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If a giga lands 2-3 bites on that rex, its gonna bleed half to death and have to heal for the next 20 minutes

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Face tank? Is that seriously how you're seeing this?

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:42 PM

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and the giga would be dead

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:42 PM

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You dont fucking facetank in this game, you just fucking dont, especially in survival

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You can, but it comes with consequences

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:42 PM

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6 attacks for rex to kill giga
8 attacks for giga to kill rex

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Alright, and that rex is now on crit screen with 30 bleed and extreme vulnerable to everything around it.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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what?

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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It has to sit and heal for 30 minutes because it only heals one bleed per tick

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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oh

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yeah

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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A dryo could peck a rex to death if it wanted to

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A fucking dryo

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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but sitting it doesn't die and with a body it can't be killed

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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dondiSquint

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:43 PM

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dryo can't lol

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:44 PM

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There is no such thing as a "body down" rule unless you're playing private

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You're free game 100% of the time, no matter the circumstances

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:44 PM

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what? this rule is on most servers

indigo sun Oct 21, 2019, 1:44 PM

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"With a body it cant be killed" this isnt private servers we go off of official rules for suggestions

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:45 PM

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^

indigo sun Oct 21, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Official rules have no body down rule.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:45 PM

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ok

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Who's to say a galli or something wont swing by your 90% dead rex and finish you off? Lol

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Body down rules cause too much chaos

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I'm glad it's not on official because thatd just make it another private server tbh

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:46 PM

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i just think that giga should atleast be able to get away from something stronger then itself

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Its trot speed

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Its stam regen

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How long its able to run

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:46 PM

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trot means shit when the rex has a 43.4 ambush

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:46 PM

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And if a rex gets a surprise ambush on a giga, its gonna end up taking a few hits in the process. Most likely, that giga isnt alone

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:47 PM

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gigas are the minority in this game

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compared to rexes

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and 1 rex can take on 2 gigas and live

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:48 PM

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No...no it cant lol

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Itll die

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:48 PM

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i have seen alot of rexes with 2 giga bodies on most of my growth runs

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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Then those arent very good giga players.

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Two gigas against one risk is likely to be a death for one of the gigas, yes, but the rex will die anyways from that bleed and second giga

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:49 PM

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i know i most survival servers the players arnt overly good

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Go play official for a week.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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i do

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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Dont play none of those private servers.

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That overcomplicate the game with stupid rules

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:50 PM

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i have 1 official server

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i play

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 PM

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If you only play official and absolutely nothing else, your playstyle will be completely different at the end of the week

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 PM

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ok

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 PM

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There's no "no water camping" or "body drops fight stops" type of bs

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:51 PM

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ok

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i know

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it is hard to find such servers tho

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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The Isle Official US 1

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That's it

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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im a aussie so i would just lag on that server

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:52 PM

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The Isle Official EU 1

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dondiChamp

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It's like these servers already exist..

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:53 PM

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i play the EU server as it is

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do you think i am some sort of simpleton?

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 1:55 PM

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You were basing all your scenarios and suggestions off of unofficial server experience, that's what I'm thinking right now.

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And that maybe you tried to solo a rex as a giga, lost, and made this suggestion.

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That's it.

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 PM

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no my scenario is rex has better combat stats and speed

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im a giga main

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i can take a rex 1v1

barren zephyr Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Basebuilding?

slender spindle Oct 21, 2019, 1:56 PM

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but it is hard and i think something weaker should have the option to escape

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Does anyone like how bleed work in this game?

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:04 PM

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I generally don't like bleed being a simple DOT, but it works for now

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what really annoyed me was bleeding to death after winning a fight but that's gone

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:08 PM

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its just i often play solo

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:08 PM

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how big was your giga that died to dilos

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:09 PM

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so if something with good bleed attacks, you live if you sit down...but you cant sit because your under attack, it just seems either way you die

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:10 PM

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a full grown giga should be able to defend itself. if you are smaller, yeah, it can be quite bad

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:10 PM

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Fresh adult

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:10 PM

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yeah, I lost mine to a bunch of utahs

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:11 PM

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theres no payoff...you hide all the time and IF you actually make it to adult can still be bled out

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I thought fresh adult giga was pretty strong though

fiery peak Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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its not week

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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I have a particular problem with dilos, they are op

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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it has insane alt turn

fiery peak Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Dilos do seem overtuned

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:12 PM

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it is, but there was a lot of dilos, they could take it in turns

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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good dilos can solo rexes even on alt turn servers, but that's hopefully gonna change with the new bleed system

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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when you are outnumbered by faster dinos you tend to get fucked.

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it is not how its supposed to be

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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what is the new system?

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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bleed is not how the devs want, probably

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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good news cos otherwise im done

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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we don't know the new system

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:13 PM

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we dont know. dondi wants to tell but he cant

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get him drunk in a stream with an also drunk hypno and he'll spill the beans, tho

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:14 PM

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to sit for 8 hours in a bush at the end of your wits is not an enjoyable experience for me

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:14 PM

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dondi told us the new bleeding, bone break, stamina and health systems got finalized a couple of months ago

last heath Oct 21, 2019, 4:14 PM

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they also dislike afk growing

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and so do most people, really

umbral prairie Oct 21, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I think it would be less frustrating to lose a dino if growing was fun

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which it hopefully will be

dusty elbow Oct 21, 2019, 4:16 PM

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i just needed to hear it wasnt just me that thought it didnt work

limpid dove Oct 21, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Dilos arent op. They can get one or two shot by a lot of stuff. They do 50 bleed per bite, but the actual amount varies on which dino they're fighting. If you're playing giga on a no-alt-turn server, then you should expect to die to some dilos. They also have good night vision

grave karma Oct 21, 2019, 7:54 PM

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if you’re giga, all you need to do is just stand still and alt turn

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and they pretty much cant do anything

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since it’s alt turn is so fast

normal fern Oct 21, 2019, 10:02 PM

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If you die to a silo as a giga of all creatures the problem is on you

paper oriole Oct 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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i'm happy whenever i see a bad apex player has been killed off by small tiers, dilo is fine

violet magnet Oct 22, 2019, 2:05 AM

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"8 hours in a bush at the end of your wits is not an enjoyable experience"
play something that...doesn't take 8 hours to grow, then?

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just a thought

dusty elbow Oct 22, 2019, 2:25 AM

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You all assuming I died or that I'm a bad apex player lol. The situation was subjective...I was discussing the mechanism for bleed

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My original message was "does anyone like how bleed works?"

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:28 AM

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@trail bridge affinity will deal with mega packs. and friendly fire should not be disabled or be less then the normal bite, makes just swarming a target and biting without thinking possible, and that aint good

trail bridge Oct 22, 2019, 2:28 AM

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Affinity?

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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an in game system that will encourage ''good'' behavior and maybe even discourage ''bad'' behavior.

paper oriole Oct 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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LOL

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another friendly fire suggestion

trail bridge Oct 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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It’s not the friendly fire I give a shit about

paper oriole Oct 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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you know how exploitable that shit would be to have no/reduced friendly fire

trail bridge Oct 22, 2019, 2:29 AM

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It’s the mega packs

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And ways to counter it

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:30 AM

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mega packs will be considered ''bad'' behavior

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and lower affinity, which makes your dino weaker, supposedly

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so players will be discouraged to do it

trail bridge Oct 22, 2019, 2:30 AM

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Is there a link for that?

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But yeah that’s a better system

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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its quite old, the idea. but with recode it will be possible to be implemented

trail bridge Oct 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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The holy recode 😂

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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holy indeed

dusty elbow Oct 22, 2019, 2:34 AM

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The game is going the same way as Ark

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:35 AM

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?

ripe horizon Oct 22, 2019, 2:40 AM

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kinda can see it

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the game is fun and has potential but after that whole "updates every week on the dev branch" did almost nothing with the progress having to be halted or removed for the recode it kinda feels like if they started the recode earlier they wouldnt have trouble getting players to even play the official servers, like come on nycta and nublar have more people playing on them than the games official server.

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hopefully the holy recode actually does something good and doesnt have to then be redone a couple of months later.

last heath Oct 22, 2019, 2:53 AM

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well, the recode is being done because they noticed it would get worse the longer they took to do it. but thats #401464048610312195

hoary ocean Oct 22, 2019, 6:30 AM

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@echo bridge Can you remove the permissions request to view it

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 6:30 AM

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Ah weird... gimme a sec

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Prob have to do that for all the new docs lol

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There, should be accessible now

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My bad

hoary ocean Oct 22, 2019, 6:34 AM

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all good, I've made that mistake before, even forgot to put the doc on view only and people started changing things lol

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 6:35 AM

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Yikes

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I dont think mobile has that on automatically so mine should be fine

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Plus I got backups for all of them

slender spindle Oct 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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qubaal i like the suggestion and agree with most of it have really nothing to disagree with for me

indigo sun Oct 22, 2019, 6:44 PM

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@weak yew

📎 20190727_205130.png

weak yew Oct 22, 2019, 6:45 PM

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I was just bored removed lol

torn thistle Oct 22, 2019, 6:45 PM

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We're already getting Colossus

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https://i.imgur.com/pvS33Vc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/e9kQqHl.png

Imgur

Hyperendocrin Colossus

Imgur

WIP Hyperendocrin Colossus

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:09 PM

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@barren zephyr is good, I like

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Concept wise it's pretty cool

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:10 PM

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I had to rush the suggestion a bit

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but i'm open to ideas if there are loopholes or part of the suggestion that could be too exploitable for "nefarious purposes" shall we say

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:11 PM

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What about turning while bracing? Is that a no?

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And how fast can you go into it, it has to be slow enough to where a proper ambush is actually rewarding instead of met with an instant horn barrier

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Ye

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it could be possible

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but would probably be on Trike's alt turn speed

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It would also force the trike to use the brace in good terrain

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Or turn in place speed

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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or even slower since it needs to be sure to brace itself fort impact

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Concerning new movement

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

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and not just try to brace in middle of field

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you could turn while bracing, but iyt would be excrutiatingly slow

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Yeah

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

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so you can try to brace yourself when a rex is charging you

echo bridge Oct 22, 2019, 7:13 PM

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Half as slow as its normal turn in place speed

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Which could be as slow as current trike alt turn

barren zephyr Oct 22, 2019, 7:14 PM

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and if the rex can't turn to avoid you, well he got out skilled

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and that's his fault for falling for such an obvious death trap

jovial moss Oct 22, 2019, 9:06 PM

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No local chat for herbivores: they just use discord since they can't use the in game chat to communicate, super silent in game and impossible to find until you accidentally stumble into the herd zone and get pummeled by 5 diablos and 3 paras

Local chat for herbivores: they make noise occassionally because they can actually talk to those around them, more fun and engaging when you can talk in game, gives away their position to those paying attention more often, can be tracked more easily, easier for both parties in general to play

paper oriole Oct 22, 2019, 9:24 PM

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literally only problem is itd remove a complication of communication for death herds but they use discord anyway too lol

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:33 AM

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Would ruin the complete fun of the game

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being stuck on an island as a utah so you can't explore the whole map

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and if you like playing an unique creature then you will not get a look at all the map

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And all dinos are made to create some balance, even if actually it's not the case, separating them on different islands would break that and once again ruin the fun of the game

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:38 AM

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from the looks of things, you won't be able to travel to other islands as non aquatics anyway, just figured it'd be better to have certain animals spawn on the same island.

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rather than have your friends on one island and you get the unlucky spawn on the other, and be forced to kill yourself.

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not only that, but it would fix quite a few balance issues we've had.
example, ceratosaurus being invalidated by allosaurus.

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if it's in it's own ecosystem away from what is essentially a better version of it, it can live to it's full potential, you'd have a reason to play it

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"Mid tier on island B"

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:41 AM

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The current state of the game can not be used for a suggestion that will impact the game post recode

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Cerato should be fixed in a distant future

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Remember that the goal of the devs is to give every dino a niche

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:44 AM

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that's not the point.
these animals would do better in these ecosystems, dondi said himself these animals shouldn't be living together, why play giga when you can play rex? why play cerato when you can play allo? separating them in to different ecosystems would fix this.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Sorry to be rude but it is stupid
You don't implement new dinos with new models and animations to just keep them on a side of a map

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Yea

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also you can travel over landbridge

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:45 AM

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which currently to our knowledge does not exist.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:45 AM

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Or there can be a human made bridge cause well, it is mainly ae owned island

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And it would be easier for logistics

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:46 AM

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i fail to see how it's stupid.
creating two or more different, unique ecosystems for players to enjoy, rather than keeping everything together and rarely seeing certain species because they're invalidated by another, which will always be the case in one way or another.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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An how OP would that be for some dinos, example dondi kinda of said that spino would be only stopped by rexes, if they were on only one island spinos would rule over the rest of the map

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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because ie I want to explore entire map as utah?

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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^

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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If I was stuck on one island

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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It would ruin the fun

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I agree

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:47 AM

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the game would loose value to me cause being region locked by choosing a dino is outright stupid

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I want to play what I want anywhere on the map where I want

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 AM

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^

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 AM

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I may get affinity debuffs but I dont care

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 AM

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there's already going to be a system similar to this, but with biomes instead of islands.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:48 AM

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yup but it doesn't force you to stay in the biome

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you can go outside

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Well it will give you debuff maybe

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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even if you have negative affinity

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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but it wont force you

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Having open world being region locked

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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besides, with the sheer size of the map, i doubt utah would be the best animal to explore it, the land bridge would have to be massive.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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is cancer mechanic

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:49 AM

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Forcing a player to be restricted to only a part of a giant map like that is a crime

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Imagime being region locked in gta v for example

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Ie your character parents were born in sandy shores? Welp you can play only there

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Well you can still use gallis or carnos to explore too

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:50 AM

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that's much different.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:51 AM

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also why bother with working ecosystem

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Hypers and humans

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:51 AM

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and yes, that's my point.
doesn't matter which ecosystem you choose, there'd be a small, fast animal perfect for exploring that island.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:51 AM

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will destroy it

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:52 AM

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and i really doubt there'd be a land bridge, we've already seen the map.

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it'd have to be massive.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 8:52 AM

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There are few shallow points

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:52 AM

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The dinos of the games need to fit in a place where the others don't
It's supposed to be balanced between them all
Create different ecosystems on 2 different islands is like playing 2 different games

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Would be tired as a giga to never see a para or even a rex

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Once again, spino would be way too op

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:54 AM

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i fail to see how that's the case, it's no different from the "jurassic/cretaceous" server options don was talking about last year, only with humans, flyers and aquatics being able to travel from island to island.
there's a simple fix for that, gigas would just have to be able to fight them.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Except that "jurassic/cretaceous" is an option

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you're not forcing players to join those servers

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:55 AM

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which locks playable animals.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:55 AM

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If every players who want to play on the new map is forced to play into a restricted ecosystem

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you kill the fun once again

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:56 AM

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i again fail to see how that's the case.
if it creates are more balanced and fair experience overall, i'd prefer it.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:56 AM

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yeah or giga should be balanced with all the creatures actually ingame so it can fit with them all

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:56 AM

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otherwise we'll continue to see invalidated creatures, playable animals that are barely ever played.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:56 AM

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You're using the current states as an example

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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i am.

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because that's what we're left to work with.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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pretty much every dino will change

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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fair enough, but we don't have their stats.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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saying that ecosystems are necessary is stupid

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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and it doesn't change the fact that in some way shape or form, some animal will be invalidated by another.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:57 AM

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you can't see the future balance problems

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There is always a way to make everything looks balanced

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the isle has not always been a big balance issue

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 8:59 AM

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i guess we remember differently then, i seem to remember a time when the smallest, weakest animal in the game, was killing the biggest and supposedly strongest.

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i do not remember a single time in the isles past where the game was balanced.

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apart from maybe early survival with rex, carno and utah.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 8:59 AM

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Don't use progression time as a reference

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because the point as an apex was to invalidate everything before you

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:00 AM

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i was simply stating that the isle has in fact been unbalanced since it's release.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I disagree

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:00 AM

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that early survival is the only time when the game was fair, and even then. it wasn't fair to humans.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:00 AM

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And ecosystems won't fix that

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:01 AM

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separating certain animals will.
the fact is, we have too many animals.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:01 AM

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you'll see balance problems within the islands with your logic

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:01 AM

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certain animals will be invalidated by others while they're all together.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:02 AM

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And affinity once again should help with balance problems because playing some dinos in their current fashion will get you debuffs

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:03 AM

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will i? i seem to be failing, what are the balance problems? using current stats as an example.
sure stats will change, but in one way or another, some animal will invalidate another in some shape or form.

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spino is the only issue i can see, which you've already pointed out, which is easily fixed.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:03 AM

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You can't see that

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And once again affinity

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:03 AM

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by all means, explain.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:03 AM

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And affinity once again should help with balance problems because playing some dinos in their current fashion will get you debuffs

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Just said that

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 AM

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"playing some dinos in their current fashion will get you debuffs"

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 AM

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If allos play like ceratos they'll do it but less well because debuffs

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 AM

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which dinosaurs are you referring to?

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 AM

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so it kills the point of being a dino but better

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:04 AM

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howso?

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:05 AM

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once again I can't state for sure because I can't see the future stats

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But if a dino is made to do a particular "job" then with affinity other dinos trying to do its job will get a debuff for not following their "job"

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:06 AM

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was that ever stated?

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:06 AM

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It was stated thet dinos not playing as they should play will get debuff

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so if every dino got its niche

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it makes sense

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:06 AM

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as they should.
meaning, not acting as a dinosaur.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 AM

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I don't think it will apply only on that

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:07 AM

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the idea behind debuffs with affinity is to "try to make players act like the animal they're playing"
"most players that... i would say play normally but it's pretty hard to define normal when talking about extinct animals, but for most players, affinity won't affect day-day gameplay"

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dondis words from late 2018.

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things may have changed sure, but i doubt they'll force players to play a certain way.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Once again if the animals are made to have different play-style

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Then you prove my point

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:08 AM

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it'd take away the fun.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Like creating ecosystems on island ?

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Yeah right

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I see your point

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But your solution is the worst

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 AM

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no, because that's not forcing players to play any differently.
it's forcing players to play in a fair, balanced "ecosystem" where they can play to their animals full potential.
with the sheer size of the map, and the amount of animals we'll have.
chances of running into members of your own species will be low either way, this way, you're technically near every other member of your species.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 AM

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And I believe that affinity will also have an impact on group limits
So might also help to balance things our

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Out*

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 AM

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and balancing them all together, it'd be a nightmare

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:11 AM

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It is a nightmare I agree

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 AM

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if they pull it off, more power to them.
but balancing what, 15-20+ animals?

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 AM

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but they choose to make that much dinos

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 AM

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progression all over again

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only this time

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you're not forced to be the smaller, invalidated animals.

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so you'll simply never see them.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Cutting the map to make 2 different games is an horrible idea

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:12 AM

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it's not two different games.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Different dinos, different play-styles, different biomes

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it is

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Only one thing remains

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op spino

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:13 AM

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the gameplay will be more or less the same.
different animals, different environment, different playstyle.
same game.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Most likely different mechanics too

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And like our rock main stated I think there will be land bridges or way to cross

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because the map is so huge and have so much different places you can't force players to not access to them

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:15 AM

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but using the current game as a reference here, the game would be better with two different ecosystems.
whether that's a different gamemode, server option or built into the game with two different islands, i couldn't care less.
but the fact remains.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:15 AM

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(without talking about the small islands that will get abandoned with your idea)

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 AM

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you wouldn't be forcing players to not access them, you'd be keeping certain playable animals where they belong.
if you want to see the other island, go there.
it's a different ecosystem, different animals.

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well no, the small island may be gone.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 AM

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At least you admit that you're basing it on the current game
You should have more faith in the future and post recode game

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 AM

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it may be getting "nuked"

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 AM

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I wouldnt mind different animals spawning on different islands/biomes

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:16 AM

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i'm basing it on the current game because that's all we've got.
I'd rather base it on current stats than assume everything is going to be perfect post recode.

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 AM

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as long as they could swim over

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and not physically be locked out

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:17 AM

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i wouldn't mind them spawing on some specific islands

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but not being locked

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Same point

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:18 AM

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Biomes where different creatures spawn would make more sense (though some of these could be on different islands)

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 AM

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there's no landbridge from what we've seen, and there's no way in hell you'll be able to swim that distance.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:19 AM

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We'll see

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Spino boat will be a thing

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(joke)

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Deino ferry services.

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 AM

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but here's another thing, sucho will pretty much be forced on land once deino is in.

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if sucho and deino don't live together however, problem solved.

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:21 AM

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Sucho is more a wader than a proper swimmer anyway tbh.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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There will be water ponds that deino will have trouble to access to

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Duck I love it

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Perfect for suchos

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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The suggestion

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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i knew you would, it makes cerato valid.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Very nice

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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having allo and cerato spawn on different islands would be a good thing though.

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means cerato could be viable.

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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~~biased opinion~~

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Once again valid in its current state

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:22 AM

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Wtf imagine thinking I have bias

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dondiLUL

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Also it isn’t just bc of Cerato

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It’s like

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Imo

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Dinos which overlap too much could be in different biomes on different islands and will no longer overlap.

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unless the player manages the swim

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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I think separately balanced ecosystems is a cool idea

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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or hires a deino ferry

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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but in all seriousness, it would be a pain in the ass to balance all of these animals if they were living together, something will invalidate something else, it's inevitable with this many animals.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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Completely agree

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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yeah but the point of locking them is stupid

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locking them to biome is enough

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:24 AM

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I think locking is the wrong word.

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they're not locked, they will just struggle to survive in the wrong biomes/swim to another island.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 AM

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if there is the same biome on 2 different islands I want to be able to go on both

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 AM

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How would it lock them tho? They could just be heavily incentivized to be in certain areas

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 AM

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being trapped on an unique island kills all the fun

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Again not trapped

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Like

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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If you get more affinity/food level from eating certain plants/animals in a certain biome, you will want to go there.

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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you can't swim that distance jdavis.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Duck maintains that there is no way to travel

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Fair

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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it's too far.

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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i'll hire out a deino.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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Was thinking more about the general idea but that’s true

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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to take us

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:26 AM

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If as a cerato you're being trashed by allos fine you can spawn on an island and the allos on the other but you should be free to go on the other island too

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:27 AM

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But like, what I was gonna say is it wouldn’t really be locking them to a biome it could just be that it is highly advantageous to be in a respective area

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And like

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You could leave

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But you shouldn’t

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That’s how I see it at least

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Right you shouldn't if you don't want a debuff due to affinity

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but you're still free to do so

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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Wouldn’t necessarily have to be affinity

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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And there can be the same biome on 2 different islands

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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It could be like

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Bro Dinos should not be be locked

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Diet

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Or any other number of factors

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:28 AM

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And there can be the same biome on 2 different islands

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Oro, utah, galli, maia, carno spawn on the plains (on island A)
gallis and maias gain affinity eating plains plants.
utahs and carnos gain affinity eating oros, gallis, and maias.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:29 AM

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Plains can be on more than 1 island

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:29 AM

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would make it so they stick to their areas. they would only spawn on one biome type which isn't on all islands.

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plains might only be on 1 island, or two.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Could be jenkens, but imo that’s more diet preference than affinity

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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2 is enough to prove the point wrong

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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Idk if that falls under affinity

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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there's four islands currently, one may be nuked.

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keep in mind, island C there

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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if you can't travel having 2 islands sharing the same biome is stupid

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:30 AM

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I assume affinity will be a large part in making certain animals prefer different areas.

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so it's a valid part of the discussion

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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which isn't labeled, is bigger than thenyaw

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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I thought affinity was more a way to curb bad behavior but you could be right

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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I think that map you linked is an old one

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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it is.

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but it's the only birds eye view we have

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easier to label the islands.

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:31 AM

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affinity can be used for lots of things. both punishing bad behaviour and rewarding good things.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:32 AM

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I want to see what don says on the access to other islands

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 9:32 AM

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yeah the most recent map view was hard to see.

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:32 AM

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mhm

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however, not sure if it was just me, but i was under the impression island C there was the one going to be nuked.

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turns out there's an island D that's about the size of thenyaw

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:33 AM

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transform 2 ecosystems suggestion into 3 ecosystems dondiLUL

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:33 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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possibly four

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with all the new animals it's possible.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:34 AM

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well

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I want more infos on travelling

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but for me locking some dinos to specific islands is the death of all fun in the game

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(knowing that similar biomes will be on different islands)

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:36 AM

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i fail to see how.
but anyway, this would allow most animals already in the game, along with the new ones, to be playable in their own ecosystem without being invalidated by 5 other animals.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:37 AM

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I'll also wait to see the balance issues post recode

pale prairie Oct 23, 2019, 9:37 AM

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mostly similar, different animals with different stats, same issues.

swift ferry Oct 23, 2019, 9:37 AM

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We'll see ^^

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 10:17 AM

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@river wasp i think generally the devs arent really concerned with body down rules as they don't own or control what private servers do. Body down rules dont exist on official. I'm sure something could be implemented by the players who use these rules in their own private servers once the dev kit comes back post-recode. And i'm pretty sure dinosaurs already make like a dying screechy noise when they die

river wasp Oct 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

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@indigo sun oh ok cause i suggested it on the private server and i was then redirected here, that's why i asked here

valid zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Yeah it's an unofficial rule only and officials don't use body down rules.

barren zephyr Oct 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

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Yep

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:28 PM

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@stray forum microraptor is far too small to be playable. The minimum is dryosaurus/pteranodon's size. Microraptor would likely be better off as ai since it literally couldn't do anything or interact with other players besides dying

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Also... why did you react with 8 different emojis to your own post?

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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what about a microraptor???

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Here's the size difference compared to pteranodon, using two different size photos for microraptor since i found two. It's really far to small. It'd get trampled by anything and has no chance of even interacting with other dinosaurs.

📎 Pteranodon_scale.png 📎 download_1.jpeg 📎 Microraptor_scale.png

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:33 PM

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ok

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ik what size it is, and it would be fun to play as microraptor

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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And i'm telling you that they've set a playable size limit and that's dryo/ptera, making microraptor far too small to meet the limit

blazing charm Oct 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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It would also be simeltaneously patheticly weak, and super exploitable.

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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its was just an idea

blazing charm Oct 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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For what the Isle is trying to be, something like a Microraptor could very easily be used as a scout for other players, since it's so tiny.

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We know, we're just discussing said idea.

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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And we're talking about your idea

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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yeah know that

blazing charm Oct 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Then why-nevermind

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:36 PM

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how could the real micro survive anyway if it even lived with big stuff wanting to kill them

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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@indigo sun the dryo size limit is probably irrelevant now since the reveal of feather boi

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but Micro is still too small imo

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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kk

blazing charm Oct 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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It's not just that size that's the problem, it's the fact that it can glide.

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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also reacting to ur own suggestion dondiYikes

blazing charm Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Not only would you have to design enviroments and mechahnics for something so small, but you'd have to do it so that it meshes with everything else.

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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That thing could likely still be dryo size

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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it would be fast when it glide

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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miro is gonna be a pain in the rectum to code

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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yeah know that

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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And Herrera also invalidates the dryo rule

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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Okay regardless, even a human could like, step on micro and one shot it

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:39 PM

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not if its a gruop of them

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Its pretty much the equivalent to stepping on a crow that cant fly. It'd die. And a group nipping at ankles still probably wouldnt be able to do shit

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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and one can scare a girl away

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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Microraptor is essentially a crippled crow

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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"A girl" what?

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Yeah pretty much

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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they crawl and bite and rip off flesh

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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@stray forum you seem to forget that TI is a game

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:41 PM

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i know its a game, and it was just an idea

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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You cant rely on groups for a dino's strength when there's no guarantee you'll even have a group

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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im not saying you have too

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they*

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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But that's the only way it'd do literally anything

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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pain isn't a factor in who wins or dies. No shit an eagle sized dino would hurt if it attacked u irl, but in game, you could just punt it

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Hell Changyuraptor is a better candidate for a glider

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:43 PM

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Is that the one found in like august or some shit or is that another one?

still temple Oct 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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dunno, but it's basically a (average sized) velo sized micro

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:44 PM

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another idea, the velo can pounce

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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That'll likely happen with the inclusion of pounce in the game again

stray forum Oct 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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yeah, im soo exited for it

indigo sun Oct 23, 2019, 10:45 PM

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@jovial ridge discuss suggestions here not in #general-feedback

jovial ridge Oct 23, 2019, 10:51 PM

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Soz

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Counter argument on to the microraptor how long would it take to grow and also they would have to add in trees with proper branches not trees with a line for branches (other that that I think it’s a perfectly reasonable idea)

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:14 PM

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@steel bridge knock down is being looked at

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Awesome. It's my first time here, so idk what's been mentioned before or not. It's just something I have been thinking about for like a week since we are getting collision...so I've been told at least

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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and anky armor is highly likely once its ready to implement into survival

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and bb is just off of it because of a patch that disabled it for everything but rex

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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Yup, we were told so by one of the devs a few months ago. Doesn’t mean it will become a feature but will be investigated and played with

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:17 PM

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might come back post recode depending on how they remake the bb system

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or if they do

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(please no more rng bb for the love of dondi)

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Well without bone break anky is forced to fight everything on the planet since it's the slowest

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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It hasn’t been balanced yet

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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most of the dinos obtainable in sandbox are incomplete like that

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and theyre unbalanced like magic said

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:18 PM

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Ya makes sense

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:19 PM

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acro and theriz being opressive speed demons, stego being nearly as helpless, spino being a super tank, pue being nigh untouchable

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etc

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:19 PM

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But Dondi said all dinos will be updated for survival but official servers will only have a certain roster unlocked, unofficial could have as many or as few locked

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:20 PM

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Ohhh that's nifty. But imo, I think thats just going to cut back on people playing official if they are not going to have a way to get dinos at all. Just my 2 cents

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:21 PM

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Could probably still be injected, by locked I mean selectable for normal users

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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well the main issue being is that some dinos like acro and giga overlap a bit too much, so in order to prioritize quality and gameplay variety they probably want to manage it that way because of the overlap

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Yeah exactly that

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Makes sense

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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And welcome to the discord 😉

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Lol thx

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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yeah welcome

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good to see new peeps that arent insane yet

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yet

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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Oh I'm insane

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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oh

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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I demand hypo anky

echo bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:23 PM

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well you made my job a lot easier

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Lol

craggy scarab Oct 23, 2019, 11:24 PM

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Just make sure we stay on topic. We can head over to #401464048610312195 if you have questions or if you haven’t stayed up to date with the dev streams there are plenty of people that will spam you with pictures 😛

steel bridge Oct 23, 2019, 11:25 PM

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:p ok sounds good

neat flicker Oct 23, 2019, 11:40 PM

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@river wasp they are not going to implement something that only unofficial servers will find useful for their own made up rules

dry cradle Oct 24, 2019, 8:44 AM

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so make gallis main attack stationary so that you end up with a glass Cannon who has to stand still to fight back and is then guaranteed to take damage?

barren zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 8:45 AM

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@dry cradle You know that galli is supposed to run away

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Why fight back when you can just yknow run away

dry cradle Oct 24, 2019, 8:49 AM

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because.. that was the suggestion?

barren zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 8:52 AM

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@empty reef Using semi-rp servers as a reason for adding a whole new call to all dinos is imo not good reason.

empty reef Oct 24, 2019, 8:54 AM

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Well, all depends on how you play the game, doesn't it?

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Genereally I think the whole "Reproduction" could be more fleshed out, but def with a different priority than other things.

valid zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 9:02 AM

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Honestly nesting should just be female places the nest and builds it to 50%, Male then builds 50%. That way both parents are registered.

Then any nested young can choose to mix and match the parents colours and make a skin when being nested in, giving them some personal choice and making it less likley they will get an awful skin.

pulsar lake Oct 24, 2019, 9:04 AM

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I would like to say than it was the male who place the nest and female who gestates and both can incubate

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Also I would like to see mating calls, for some realistic reasons, but no one success to explain it and agree with my vision of it.

normal fern Oct 24, 2019, 9:10 AM

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That’s because mating calls are stupid.

You have a broadcast to find a mate, friendly call to put the other guy at ease and most importantly you have a chat box that means you can type “hey want to mate?”

Do people seriously not understand how redundant a mating call is?

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I mean people are still mating/nesting so I don’t get why we need a mating call

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“Hey let’s add in a mating call, despite the fact that people can already nest together and are doing it just fine on official servers”

Can we please just knock it off as a community?

lilac swallow Oct 24, 2019, 9:50 AM

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People just dont know what 1 call and 2 call are for

valid zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 9:51 AM

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All the other calls actually have a purpose.

1 call: Just making noise and trying to find people a long way off.
2 call: Friendly call to other species to show you're not going to eat/murder them.
3 call: Hostile call to other species to tell them to go away.
4 call: Quick way of signalling danger to your group when typing in chat would take too long and get you killed.

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Mating call would do nothing that chat cannot do.

lilac swallow Oct 24, 2019, 9:54 AM

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How people think calls works:

To roars "i won a fight"
No purpose
War declaration, you are forced to fight whenever you hear It
No purpose other than spamming

valid flower Oct 24, 2019, 2:03 PM

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How theri calls works:

Why not
Not an option
Not an option
yeS.

barren zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 3:21 PM

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2 call: Friendly call to other species to show you're not going to eat/murder them.
3 call: Hostile call to other species to tell them to go away.
4 call: Quick way of signalling danger to your group when typing in chat would take too long and get you killed.```

And how it's actually percieved:
1 call: "meat's this way" or "potentially dangerous thing this way"
2 call: one of the two calls that are understood the way they are supposed to (can still be ignored by people who just want to kill you)
3 call: Either understood as a provocation for a duel to death (90% of the time) OR works as intended (only on realism servers or if other players understand nuances and context, so 10% of the time, but may be ignored if you're a maia telling a full grown rex to move from where he's sitting)
4 call: the other call which is understood as intented by players

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We don't need a mating call, it's the 2d one

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if you want to be realistic, use the broadcast AND the 2call one after the other, but you might get killed

barren zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 7:08 PM

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Question though, why would you want to get more involved in th breeding aspects of The Isle, The Isle is not a breeding dino sim, it's survival. Yes, breeding happens to be a part of it, but we don't need to get into the nitty gritty. Especially considering the dinos are players, not actual animals. So we have chats, and if people wanna nest they can just plop a nest down and usually those of the same species no matter what sex cooperate on raising the hatchlings

lilac swallow Oct 24, 2019, 7:19 PM

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Exactly, breeding is a secondary part of the game

barren zephyr Oct 24, 2019, 10:08 PM

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I liked the way the old allo moved, it felt smooth. But I highly doubt they'd ever bring back the dragon-allo model lol, though the return of the original, or similar movement systems, I support

indigo sun Oct 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

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@desert mango mods are coming back after the recode, theyre working on the dev kit after all the code is redone n shit. And i'm sure theyre fine with fred making skins and such and modders can do as they please once the dev kit is out

desert mango Oct 24, 2019, 10:46 PM

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i just

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i mean yes we have customization for our skins but no patterns and not every dino can have a skin (plus there no vibrant colors for those dumb wacky people who dont want camo)

indigo sun Oct 24, 2019, 10:49 PM

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I'm pretty sure it's been said that they'll work on varying patterns later on

neat flicker Oct 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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I'm pretty sure that PC has nothing to do with the isle; so I'm not sure why you're bringing another game up in here

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Feel free to visit #401510382981742593

limpid dove Oct 25, 2019, 12:05 AM

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Old allosaurus/2nd model "dragon" allosaurus would be a neat hypo model if it was remade to more match the current traits of our hypos: split jaws, tanky armor, much more threatening in appearance. But, that doesnt mean bring the old model back anyways. It has no place to fit properly without just being a shittier version of the current allo

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Maybe as an available mod to bring back some of the older models and dinosaurs as playable, but that's not for a while

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Old rex, old allo, old sucho, old utah, etc. The original models, including their old animations, sounds, stats, all of it. Would be a neat little mod for someone to put together, I'm sure itd get a lot of love

desert mango Oct 25, 2019, 3:37 AM

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@neat flicker i meant the modders the isle used too have made better skins than primal carnage , but now ... not so much , a lot of Pcs newer skins look way better than our current patterns and colors

neat flicker Oct 25, 2019, 3:50 AM

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Gotcha, they do indeed

still temple Oct 25, 2019, 3:03 PM

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a few of the current TI skins aren't rly customisation friendly.

normal fern Oct 25, 2019, 5:13 PM

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Utah comes to mind

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 2:28 AM

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it wouldnt actually solve the being attacked while laying down thing cause they can just go behind you and bite you

jovial ridge Oct 26, 2019, 2:40 AM

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But there is the occasional time where they would go in front of u and u could bite it

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 3:08 AM

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I really, really hope that the recode comes with some buffs for some of the juvie carnivores. Namely speed buffs for the juvenile rexes, gigas, allos and utahs. The juvenile rexes and gigas in particular should be on the same or comparable tier as the subadult/adult Utahraptors, but they're easily dropped in 1 or 2 good hits, and because of how slow they are, the juvenile rexes and gigas have no chance at evading a Utah, once in its sights.

I've heard from quite a few researchers that from recovered leg bones that the juveniles were likely at least as fast as their adult forms. And Phil Currie even commented on how identical the legs of a juvenile Tyrannosaur are to the legs of an adult ornithomimid, like Gallimimus. So it would make a lot of sense if the juveniles of rexes and gigas were to get a significant speed boost.

I'm not saying that a juvie rex should be as fast as the galli, but maybe quite a bit closer to it than the sprint speed of an adult rex? And I am very surprised at how quickly an adult rex's sprint can overtake a juvenile with ease.

jovial moss Oct 26, 2019, 3:13 AM

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@solid cargo did you mean to put your paragraph in #general-feedback ? this is suggestion-discussion

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But also, honestly all juveniles should be much faster than they currently are, including the herbivores

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 3:15 AM

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@Pachy 💀 Rights 💀 Activist do you mean I should copy & past this into the discussions tab?

jovial moss Oct 26, 2019, 3:16 AM

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no, if you're trying to suggest something, put it in the #general-feedback channel

jovial ridge Oct 26, 2019, 3:22 AM

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I would really love to c that happen cuz I have spent a lot of time as a juvi rex just to die in 1 or 2 hits from a cera or allo

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 3:30 AM

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growing an apex is meant to be hard.

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 3:36 AM

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The life any predator endures is a very hard one, but the juvenile apexes are borderline altricial in trying survive on their own without food and protection from an adult. Which kinda makes them very dependent on an adult in even reaching their subadult stage.

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 3:41 AM

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@jovial ridge that still wouldnt solve anything because then people will just start to only attack from the side or the back where you cant do anything without getting up. it's not even that big an issue to begin with

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 3:49 AM

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you say that, yet what do we see on official servers? rex overpopulation.
i'd agree about giga, both juvenile and sub adult.
but juvenile and sub rex on the other hand, they're fine.

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if anything life is too easy for them with how AI spawns nowadays.

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 3:51 AM

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with the way sub and juvie giga is now they might as well not even have a sprint lol

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 3:59 AM

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They're fine when they're in large enough packs as juveniles or have adults around to defend them long enough to get them into the subadult stages. Solitary players don't have a numbers or protective parent advantages. And I really try avoiding other juvenile players, because some of them go spam crazy with their broadcast calls, and when something bigger and hungry comes into the area, there's no chance of fleeing from really any larger carnivore, even an adult Giganotosaurus.

As for the AI, as a juvenile rex or giga, you're very much dependent on them, as you can't take on anything else beyond a tiny chance encounter you might have with another juvenile player. With a speed buff, a juvenile apex can at least contend with a adult dryo or galli, or utahs, and actually have a chance of escaping a larger predator.

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 4:04 AM

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every juvie depends on ai what are you even talking about lol. a baby anything shouldnt be able to contend with a fullgrown anything tbh. life is meant to be difficult for apexs

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:05 AM

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the simple fact is, surviving as a juvenile rex is easy enough, even without a group.
there's proof of that on every server.

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AI spawns around you when you're hungry

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theoretically, you can't starve.

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other players are the only danger.

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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The AI doesn't always spawn for some of us. I lost my last few rexes from starvation, because the AI never spawned.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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There is a difference between baby animals and juveniles

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Post recode, all juvies shouldn't be as helpless as they are period

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:07 AM

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if you're playing on servers with over 120 people, that'd be why.
if not, just stay in the same spot, if you move around AI will spawn in but won't make a noise until you've already left the area

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:08 AM

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The difficulty comes when an animal bigger than you shows up and threatens you

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Just like any other animal

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No matter the age

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Most of the juvies are pretty fine, including juvie rex, but there's a few that I think should definitely be adjusted post recode

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Juvie allo needs a speed buff, because its weak and super slow

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 4:10 AM

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just gonna have to wait and see what they change and implement

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Juvie sucho needs either a strength, speed or stam buff so it can be better at avoidance

patent spade Oct 26, 2019, 4:11 AM

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speed for the sucho please XD

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:11 AM

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And trike needs a new run animation and fixed sounds for its lifestages so they arent loud obnoxious useless potato sacks all the time

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Juvie trike is literal pain

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:11 AM

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I think the juvi with the biggest problems would be the giga

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:11 AM

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Juvie para could use a speed buff

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Juvie giga will likely get adjusted with its adult so well have to wait and see

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Juvie cerato could use a better stam regen

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Juv rex if anything could get a biteforce buff if it's going to be so frail

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Juvenile animals being threats to adults is fine

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Especially when the juvie is bigger

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Which juvie giga is

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2.2 tons of fuck you to any raptor that tries

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:14 AM

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That I can agree with, to an extent. Because its damage output should be on par with an adult/subadult Utahraptor

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Arguing for juvies to get nerfed is a joke when we all know the real cause of the problem, AI

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Juvie giga literally is more than double utahs mass at max size

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It should rightfully obliterate it in a facetank

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:15 AM

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it does, doesn't it?

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:15 AM

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It does

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But that should stay

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Unless it gets changed

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With adult

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:15 AM

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i seem to remember juvenile rex, giga, diablo and para being able to fight utahs at 100% growth

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:15 AM

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they can

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Not diablo

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Para yes

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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i'm sure diablo can

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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I've never seen one try

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So I cant really say

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But I dont believe it

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Juvie trike shouldn't be as helpless as it is tho

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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i've done it before on deathmatch
juvenile diablo is actually really good, it can fight a crazy galli with ease.

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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juvi trikes and dibbles are ridiculous when it comes to damage

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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We can all at least agree to that

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:16 AM

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Same here. All battles I've seen between adult Utahs and full sized juvie rexes have always ended in the Utah's favor, with little or no damage to the raptor.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:17 AM

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Which is kind of a joke

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Since they should be around equal power

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What mass does juv rex top out at exactly?

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:18 AM

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In real life?

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Ingame

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:18 AM

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1400

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but has 2000 health

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Lol utahs at 1000

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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pretty sure juvenile rex can still facetank adult utahraptors.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Why does juv rex not win?

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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it's the bleed that really changes things

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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its the bite and turn radius

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Oh right, the shitty bleed heal

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Imo buff juv rex dmg to more than Utah post recode and makes it able to handle bleed better

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Healing .5 a min sitting is a joke

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:20 AM

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And ironically, fossil tyrannosaurs are the ones that have survived the most horrific injuries we've seen in any theropod in the fossil record

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:21 AM

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thing is a juvi rex can beat a utah as long as it isnt a full adult

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Well that's fair

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Utah is smaller

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:22 AM

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But yeah, a juvie rex should be able to face tank an adult utah in a biting match, but that has never happened in any or my experiences as either a juvie rex or adult utah. The utah can still drop a full sized juvie rex in 4-5 hits at the most.

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:22 AM

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juvenile rex can facetank an adult utah.
again, it's the bleed that changes things.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:22 AM

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That's probably because of utahs base dmg in combination with juvie rexes massive bleed weakness

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Which is horrid balance wise

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Fix juv rexes weakness to bleed

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Then its fine

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:23 AM

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actually they do the same damage per bite to one another lol\

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its 140 for both of them

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:23 AM

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And utah gets 20 base bleed

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sucho

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:24 AM

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because its an adult

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:24 AM

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Because juveniles were undersold

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If a juvie weighs +40% more than you do, it's not a pushover

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No way you can really say otherwise

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:24 AM

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its an equal match not counting bleed

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the major problems being turn radius and bleed

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give the juvi rex the turn radius of an adult utah and things change

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:25 AM

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And fix its bleed weakness

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Because .5 a min sitting is a stupid meme

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:26 AM

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adult rexes heal 1 bleed per minute

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:26 AM

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Nah adult is 2 iirc, and its resist makes the dmg cap at 15

solid cargo Oct 26, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Yeah, the turn for the juvie rexes and even the adults should probably be fixed too, considering that paper on agility values in theropods came out, where apparently a T-rex, whether juvenile or adult, could turn and maneuver with the agility of an animal half its size.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:27 AM

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Well the aim isnt for realism

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It's so the animal is actually viable

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And when afk growth becomes unfavorable

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:27 AM

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it's alt turn isn't bad.
It might be a bit slow but it's good enough.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:27 AM

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They can survive in an ecosystem with adult animals

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:28 AM

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they can survive by hiding

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:28 AM

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Which arguably none of the juvies can

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Excluding like

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Carno, dilo, dryo, pachy, utah and juv rex barely

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:30 AM

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juvi utahs cant compete with adults

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Juvi utahs are a bit iffy

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:30 AM

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no

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:30 AM

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They should be faster once AI becomes free

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But normally they would scavenge

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As they are the 3rd smallest juvie ingame

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Technically

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I dont think juv galli is bigger

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:31 AM

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100% juvenile galli is bigger.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Taller? Or generally

pale prairie Oct 26, 2019, 4:32 AM

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juvenile dryo is bigger, come to think of it, juvenile utah is the smallest juvenile in the game

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generally.

echo bridge Oct 26, 2019, 4:32 AM

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Yikes

barren zephyr Oct 26, 2019, 4:32 AM

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my concern is why do fresh adult utahs lose weight when they grow lol