general-feedback-discussion

[sick crescent]

Complicated

[outer nebula]

Also from what i heard you gets buffs depending if you are playing in groups or a solo player

[sick crescent]

But if that doesn’t work and it’s super bad then totally

Affinity will have to come in

[outer nebula]

So people would want to play as a pack hunter or play as a solo hunter

Also it be unfair for things like herd which can have 15 based on affinity system but then only give allos 4 which make it hard for any carnivore and will deter player interaction

[twin burrow]

Only herbi I can imagine getting 15 for members is something small

[bright tide]

That depends on your perspective

[twin burrow]

It'd be left to the devs tbf.

[bright tide]

A lot of herbis would like massive herds for aesthetic reasons alone

It is also easier to bounce back as a herd from an attack if you can actually have a couple people left over

[outer nebula]

But not enjoyable 4 allos verse 15 dibbles would be a a challenge hack 5 para vs 4 allos will be problem for the allo because the affinity makes so allo can have more then 4 and gives them debuffs

[twin burrow]

Who said 15 for anything like para or diablo?

And that last part of your sentence made no sense for the suggestion

[sick crescent]

I honestly would say

If you had group limits on affinity

[twin burrow]

It should be a last resort.

[outer nebula]

Because you said per group and groups are only based on species not the dinos around

[sick crescent]

Make them customizable by server

[twin burrow]

If they can't figure out another way

Or that

That actually makes more sense

[bright tide]

That is what I am saying Butah, some people would just like to have 10+ diablos in a herd because it actually looks like a herd

[twin burrow]

I'd say it should actually be done by server.

[bright tide]

Doc played on that reason for their example

[sick crescent]

Most affinity should be customizable by server

Actually

[outer nebula]

Yup

[sick crescent]

If you like mixpacking

Go ahead

Disable the mixpacking affinity debuff

But core elements like

Alt turn

No

Affinity is basically making your own rules though

As any person should have freedom over in their own server

[bright tide]

Like personally, I find only five diablos in a herd isn't actually herd. Just too few individuals. But at the same time, people would want to call five diablos a herd because they are strong and would find it hard to hunt a herd of 15 diablos

[sick crescent]

Disabling alt turn is a core gameplay mechanic, not a rule

[outer nebula]

Also lets be honest the only time you see a full pack of 15 allos is when they are streams most of the time people run 5-7 members

[bright tide]

Yeah, otherwise it is a pain in the ass to feed

[twin burrow]

I mean me and some bros had a 7 man allo pack today so

Technically 10 at one point

[sick crescent]

7-12

[outer nebula]

Yeah running big packs is good for ai, they spawn more and you can easily take things down

[sick crescent]

5 is the normie quick play for Allo

5-10 is the normie full time for mid tier herbis

Lol

[twin burrow]

It'd just depend on the server for the number tbh

[bright tide]

on bad days you are lucky to even find five herbis lol, let alone keep them around

[twin burrow]

Also didn't say infinite didn't count lol.

[outer nebula]

Yeah i say for a suggestion make it say " allow servers to adjust the affinity system so we can decide the pack limits"

[bright tide]

Though we should probably wait and see what the affinity system actually does and how impactful it is before telling the devs the changes that should happen xD

[twin burrow]

Tru

Just an idea that came to mind.

[outer nebula]

The affinity is just a self governing system like most survival games

[oak shale]

@sterile egret every carnivore is getting a "grapple"

It's not exclusive

[grave karma]

bruh just place a nest next to your burrow

and use the nest icon to find it

[sage helm]

Smart unless you're male

[grave karma]

cant you nest as male?

[sage helm]

No lol eggs require females

[barren zephyr]

I mean who would play males anyway.. smh

[sage helm]

I would smh

I dont want anyone to force me to nest and waste all my food

[jade schooner]

A suggestion I posted a while ago: I still think the males should make the nest, and somehow the female put the eggs. So you can have a use for both of them

And that way, if they found a way for coding and stuff the heritage of colours could happen (having colours from father and mother)

[sage helm]

Have the female interact with the nest and then poof eggs

[grim oak]

@empty dove I like your idea for the burrow markers and the louder 4 call, however, I have a problem with the nesting in burrows, burrows sizes and night vision ideas. First off, most prey animals, especially herbivores, have poor night vision and are not active at night. Second, I believe nesting in burrows gives dryo and taco players an unfair advantage against carnivores and other nesting herbivores. Nests in burrows protect the hatchlings from predators. While other nesting dinosaurs have to defend the hatchlings constantly, dryo players don’t have to and rarely have to leave the burrows. And some areas where burrows are dug are glitched where the player can drink from in the burrow and if a nest is in the burrow the players and hatchlings won’t have to leave the burrow at all. And third, the burrow sizes and types of burrows you suggested are basically the burrow when already have in game. One a positive note however, I love the idea for burrow markers. I can not tell you how many times I’ve dug a burrow, go get food and/or water and spent another 10min looking for my own burrow. Long story short, some ideas might seem good at first, but not everyone will use these ideas fairly if they are actually approved.

[celest reef]

Thoughts on my suggestions? UwU

[barren zephyr]

I can't even see it

[sage helm]

^

[barren zephyr]

heh... sitting makes you get stamina faster
carrying your babies is probably gonna not be implemented because only carnivores could do it which would be kkind of an unbalance between carnis and herbis
and the secondary attack exists for some dinosaurs already

[sage helm]

Why only carnis?

[barren zephyr]

because of the jaws

you wanna try carrying a baby with a hadrosaur or ceratopsian jaws?

[sage helm]

... Good point

[barren zephyr]

Ooftahs will do it anyway if hatchlings get pounce

sooo opposum utahs?

[indigo sun]

Kinda cute. Kinda horrifying to think about

[wintry cipher]

I think I'd rather carry them in my arms because 1) safer and 2) higher risk of drowning the kid if you swim.

could also have steadilly increasing stam drain up to a certain size range where oyu cant pick them up anymore, so you can yoink a juvie for a quick 5-10 second run to hide them then turn around and attack the thing.

[sage helm]

1 in each arm, 3 on your back, one dangling from your tail, and one ein your mouth that is also holding one of its sibblingd by the tail

[sterile egret]

@oak shale Well yes, I just highlighted 3 examples to show how each dinosaur would have unique grapple mechanisms so not every dinosaur "grapples" the same way. Spinosaurids would use their claws, Tyrannosaurids would use their jaws, Allosaurus and Acro have a latch on top of their grapples that they can use against larger prey, Giga has flesh graze, and so on but everyone has some unique thing about their grapple.

Otherwise the suggestion would have been too long (and had to trim the original one down quite a bit) + mentioned alberto and acro specifically as a suggestion to add them into the game with a new purpose thanks to grapple

Also, for deino, how about letting it carry hatchlings in its mouth?

[scenic lake]

Nesting invites already have a glaring gold border if I’m not mistaken

[thorn wagon]

So for the elder thing, would your progress to it reset if your herd logged off?

Or if you want to play but can’t find people to herd with

[bright tide]

Or, you know, would the herds even survive the level of in-fighting that would happen if the elder buff only occurred to people who are "alphas"

Cause you can bet your ass that there will be blood shed

And in the end it would just be free food for lazy preds

[violet magnet]

yikes "alphas"

[barren zephyr]

Just going to add in support again for the ability to disable AI server - side.

[barren zephyr]

idk I never liked the idea of "alphas" or "elder" dinos, hyper dinos would be completely different than simply growing into an elder dino. Though, yes I do agree herb life needs to be made more interesting, I do not agree this is the route to take

[sage helm]

I would be fine about elders tbh

But requiring a group to achieve it?

Idk about that

[loud tapir]

That elder status should come from something else than living long though, otherwise its more afk in bush time...

[sage helm]

Yea

But you shouldnt have to rely on others for it

[vestal rune]

@gritty arrow Sucho and Spino are confirmed piscivore and a recent dev stream confirmed omnivores(though only omnivore will get their own seperate category, as piscivores are just specialized carnivores)

insectivores aren't confirmed, but insects are way too small to hunt so it would probably be just raiding an anthill or something

[gritty arrow]

yea i know piscivores are conerfemd and so are omnivores i feel like insectivores could be for creatuers like rapharincus if they all it .

[vestal rune]

ramphorynchus?

that would be way too small for a playable

[outer nebula]

Anything smaller then dryo will not be going to survival as a playable dino

[steel coyote]

😛

[paper oriole]

Eh they dont need insectivores they could just make it so certain dinos can eat insects if they want, like smaller juvies and gallimimus

[vestal rune]

@rapid cypress currently the isle is totally rebuilding the code base of the game, so they can't do any consistent updates untill it's finished

[sterile egret]

Rhamp isn't terribly small, for a pterosaur it's a decent size

it could work extremely well as an insectivore and fisher

especially if it could dive underwater

[indigo sun]

It is too small to play in the isle though. The limit for playables is dryo/ptera, cause theyre already too weak to do shit. Rhamp is like up to a person's knee. I would honestly find it pretty cool though to see either it or something like it as like one of those birds that nests right on the edge of the sea and swoops down to catch fish, maybe bringing it up to cliff areas for pteras or other fliers to try and steal from them

[paper oriole]

lmao why would they buff a mid tier to apex size for ????? reasons

[sterile egret]

For the deinocheirus, I'd say only let it be able to eat fish and plants. It would ideally be living in swamps, wading around and looking for food much like a heron. Maybe it can eat tacos whole as well? It did eat small animals, and tacos are really small compared to its size.

[loud tapir]

I wouldn't call sucho a "mid tier" dino, its the biggest survival non apex atm.

[thorn wagon]

If a mid tier became the size of apex but stays the strength of a mid tier that’s... pointless

And if it gets size appropriate stats then it’s just another apex and not a mid tier

[normal fern]

The only mid tier that should get a size buff is sucho, not even to apex size but a 10-15% buff is fine

[violet magnet]

i think they meant bring a hypo midtier up to the size of an apex...?

like making hypo sucho as big as a regular spino

[pale prairie]

that's if there'll ever be a hyper sucho.

[mellow maple]

If there's a hypo Carnotaurus, hypo Sucho has just as much of a chance at existing

It's not apex predator exclusive if the fictional dromaeosaurid and Carnotaurus get to have it

[sage helm]

Even hypo utah will come

[pale prairie]

no i mean, can't remember when but sometime last year when dondi was talking about strains on stream, he said something along the lines of "certain animals have certain traits which allow them to have strain variants"
allo and cerato won't be receiving hyper strains if i remember correctly, they might get something else.
the main point was not every carnivore will have a hyper strain, but chances are they'll have one of them.

[hallow vigil]

I think I remember that too

[indigo sun]

@sage juniper thenyaw exists

[sage helm]

^

and if you want a smaller map then that?

play dm

[grave karma]

[paper oriole]

LOL a juvie stego for an adult apex? Just more free food then? Nah ai needs to be a challenge

And to top it you want the juvie stego to take itself directly to the apex player

It's already effortless to survive on less populated servers with the current AI

[lyric stratus]

possibly, but i've starved many times trying to get to a full adult rex due to a lack of AI and players. activly looking for food and for ai

[grave karma]

and

?

[lyric stratus]

idk, just pointed out the possibility if carnivor survivability plumets out of nowhere

[paper oriole]

Well considering the mass overpopulation of rexes currently

[grave karma]

thats kinda the point

[lyric stratus]

leaving now

bye

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[grave karma]

that herbivores have it easier than carnis finding food

[paper oriole]

Carnis outpop herbis by a longshot already their survivability is anything but low

[lilac swallow]

Both herbis and carnis are so easy at finding food that comparing is worthles

[viral creek]

Carnivores are far too easy because of how the AI spawns. They are being spoonfed their entire life.

This issue has literally caused the largest gap between the carnivore and herbivore population we've seen in a long time.

Carnivores need to actually work for their kills. And if you don't want to do that, then maybe you shouldn't be playing carnivore.

[thorn wagon]

👏 ☝

[thorn wagon]

Sorry if this sounds rude but like...

“Let’s take away galli’s 1 real defense against non-juvis, its mobility”

[paper oriole]

if you're dying to a galli that's your problem

[violet magnet]

"Carnivor players have it a bit rougher since we have to hope for AI to spawn"

Bless your heart

[paper oriole]

LOL right

always a rex cryin about it too

[violet magnet]

"herbis can basically eat anywhere" boi if u don't-

this man has never played herbi

[sage helm]

Tfw when people dont understand that herbi bushes actually run out of food in an area so you have to move eventually or face starvation

[blazing charm]

Why was the Galli suggestion downvoted so much?

[lilac swallow]

People like galli killing machine i gess @blazing charm

[sage helm]

Make the kick slower but give it a peck

Maybe make the kick do more damage when standing still but be slower kinda like flail of paras

[indigo sun]

Arent joke/troll suggestions not allowed?

[thorny crater]

I'm not saying slow its attack speed to where it cant defend itself just a slight delay so it doesn't look like its floating while it kicks

[indigo sun]

@oblique summit this is what Bryan said on walking backwards. He said there would be a control conflict because when you press S the character walks towards the camera and then this

[thorn wagon]

Oh, my 2am brain thought you meant have it not be able to kick while running at all

[outer nebula]

The issue is gali can spam attack and not have any downfalls when other dinos spawn attack their attacks dont hit or register. A slight delay would help with spaming and make gali what it is a runner thats why its faster the utah and dilo

[sage helm]

My hits dont register as gallie

I spammed the kick while tailing a utah

Didnt hit once

[outer nebula]

It could be the delay or ping but gali can spam attack

[sage helm]

It was probably a mix of both

I stopped running for a sec and a Utah bit me from 3 feet away so I was probably lagging pretty bad

But yea Gallie shouldnt spam

[outer nebula]

Thats what he is getting at

[sage helm]

Yea I'm not sure that people realize that

[outer nebula]

Yeah it better to clear thing then assume

[oblique summit]

[indigo sun]

I feel like that should be a instead, cause it was pretty much a no

[oblique summit]

🇧🇷

[dreamy basin]

Realized something playing on a no alt test server. Went to kill people to show how imbalanced it is. Killed a rex with an allo and killed an allo with a utah. It made me realize how much easier it is to kill an allo with a utah. Seems like the allo for its weight ratio compared to apex has a much harder time killing an apex than a utah killing an allo for its weight ratio compared to allo. Utah/Allo = 1000/2800=.357... While Allo/Giga =2800/6450=.434.. and Allo/Rex=2800/5800=.483... I think the issue is the utah does a whole lot more bleed for its weight compared to its weight. .02 for utah and .0089 for the allo. That's bleed/weight for both dinos. Utah also does more damage for its weight but the ration is not as bad

[umbral prairie]

no alt turn doesn't get considered in balancing

balance revolves around official servers

[dreamy basin]

yeah i am just talking about damage.

[jovial arch]

ah

[dreamy basin]

Utah can kill everything with no alt lol it just made me realize the damage difference

[jovial arch]

i see what you're trying to say

maybe i do

i dunno

[dreamy basin]

yeah just bleed damage divided by weight

[jovial arch]

but it seems like with your numbers you're trying to say it's as easy for a small tier to kill a mid tier as it is a mid tier to kill and apex?

i dunno

[dreamy basin]

no it's much harder for mid to kill apex

[jovial arch]

well, im just talking about damage scaling wise

[dreamy basin]

yes

[jovial arch]

it's roughly the same number of hits

[dreamy basin]

almost yes like 7 more for apex, but allo def cannot kill a giga unless you're willing to lose at least a hand full of allos. While a few bites from a dilo or utah can be the end of an allo.

[thorny crater]

@thorn wagon I was wondering what u were talking about lol I didnt think my idea was that bad

[thorn wagon]

[thorny crater]

[valid flower]

@tribal widget they sound like alien guns

Or something

Pew pew

[tribal widget]

Still cute

[valid flower]

Pretty sure they can pick something more cute

[wintry cipher]

@sage helm mix of bad lag and the fact you cant assride rn due to hits not registering multiple times unless you go completely out of the target and then back in again.

[valid elk]

That would make a great baby Deinosuchus sound

Though I think that is a "help" call, no?

[bright tide]

That is kind of a "pay attention to me mom, I might need something" noise I think

[gaunt parcel]

Its a noise to call for the mother https://youtu.be/lCNISGsuAYo

Same for crocs/gators

[sage helm]

Night already starts at 8pm which is only a minute from 9 so....

And arent our names supposed to use english characters?

[indigo sun]

They are. I've told him, he didnt listen.

[unborn quail]

@bold relic

🙂

[barren zephyr]

dilo is now able to hunt during the day

nice

[bold relic]

looks really good

[barren zephyr]

do you think we'll have reeds too?

[sage helm]

Those rocks look a lot like trips

In the second pic

[barren zephyr]

True

[outer nebula]

Its thenyaw

[sage helm]

Ah makes sense then

[sage helm]

@quasi stream yea thats what is being worked on with water mechanics. The bodies are gonna float towards Shore.

[loud tapir]

Something that just fixes the body denying in the water would be good to be fair.

[violet magnet]

you used to could put ur camera under the water/under a body and eat it that way, IDK why you can't anymore...?

[umbral prairie]

afaik the bodies will float and possibly float to shore plus you'll be able to eat in water

[sage helm]

No death in water

Wont you eventually be able to drag floating bodies out?

[umbral prairie]

that too

you can still annoy people by just feeding yourself to deinos though xD

[sage helm]

True

[quasi stream]

Plus bodies being next to the water would make deinosuchus being able to hide next to it and bigger food will come eat and boom food for days

[sage helm]

I mean

They can already hide in the water

Which dinos are attracted to anyway

[quasi stream]

Yes but that brings them to a point in a big area

[sage helm]

If anything a body next to water will mean there is a deino around

[quasi stream]

Rather than a big circle

[sage helm]

Yea but deino will have a spring in water to get to the other side fast

Not to mention being fast in water by default

[vestal rune]

@quasi stream You wonder why infrasound isn't a more commonly used aspect of games? it's because most headphones and speakers can't actually make infrasound as it's pointless since you can't hear it lol(this is the only time infrasound would ever actually be useful).

[quasi stream]

I mean why would the movie Paranormal activity use it if people can't hear them in their headphones?

Big brain

[vestal rune]

because paranormal activity was played in cinemas with high quality speakers which could play infrasound?

[quasi stream]

But a lot of people saw it on PC

And I saw the movie on PC

And I felt them

[vestal rune]

sure, and they didn't hear the infrasound

well, "feel" them as you put it

since the whole point is you can't hear it

also unless you have high quality headphones or speakers, I doubt you heard them

[quasi stream]

Well, maybe just search the Fear Frequency on youtube or google and see if you feel them

:D

[vestal rune]

I used a tone generator and I actually heard and felt sound down to 18hz, and then absolutely nothing

and btw the reason I heard sound at 18hz isn't because I have a high hearing range, rather because the computer "rounds" sound up

BEARD

WHY THE HELL

WOULD YOU WANT THE KEY TO GATHERING SOME LORE

BE ONLY ACCESSABLE BY CHILDREN?

ON A 15+ GAME LOL

[loud tapir]

Can't wait to get my 12 year old kids to play a horror survival game so I can get to know some lore.

[quasi stream]

Well I saw a video online

About how to get children out of your store

Blast them with frequencies that only them can hear

And adults can just come in the store and just feel fine

Just another way to hide stuff

And to be honest, there are kids that play this game

Ya know nobody follows the age rules. "Are you 18+? " Answers yes .
Me as a 10 year old
Well that was easy

[violet magnet]

isn't that illegal tho

[vestal rune]

yes they use that

also you're a 10 year old?

[quasi stream]

We all did it. We were all "responsable" children

[violet magnet]

like legit i've heard influencing people's moods by blasting frequencies they can't hear is straight-up illegal

[vestal rune]

10 year olds aren't meant to be using discord

[quasi stream]

I am 18

[vestal rune]

sure

also bureaucratic I guess it's based on where you live?

[quasi stream]

Why would you think a 10 year old would even suggest scientific Infra sounds?

[vestal rune]

I witness stuff like that alot here in england

because they saw a cool video about it?

without thinking about the implications of adding it to the game

[quasi stream]

Well, kids are getting smarter and smarter

I've been playing snake on the old nokia at 10 lol

[vestal rune]

no, it's just it's significantly easier to gain knowledge in the modern age

they don't call it the "information age" for nothing

getting back on topic, I personally think it would be cool to add some very low tones for atmospheric effect, infrasound is unfeasable but even regular deep sound can make you feel it and create a slight sense of unease

[umbral prairie]

@valid flower they won't change it before the recode, and after it afaik the system of how long food lasts/how much food it gives will be changed

I heard weight will play a role in that, but I'm not sure

[valid flower]

Oh ok

Cause a dilo body lasts forever

trike body barley lasts 2 minutes

[quasi stream]

@valid flower

Omg

I remember you

You had a fight with the other MrJerry

The one with a rabbit profile pic

[valid flower]

Wait what?

thats me lol

[sage helm]

@fallow needle probably wont happen for a while since acro doesnt really have the highest chance of making into survival amd sandbox dinos are not high priority. But if they do get around to acro it would probably happen

[fallow needle]

@sage helm IK it's not high priority, still would be nice. 😄

[paper oriole]

what niche would yutyrannus fill

seems like alberto or allo could already fill whatever role yutyrannus would

[mellow maple]

Yutyrannus

Y E S

[paper oriole]

i mean it looks cool but that's like what a 4 thousand dollar investment or something with no niche to fill, at least as far as the suggestion goes

[daring salmon]

so, when will this get fixed in the Thenyaw map? 😛

[indigo sun]

When thenyaw gets redone

[indigo sun]

@grim oak they cant do anything for other servers... this is for officials or just the overall game+mechanics, not private servers.

[grim oak]

I did not see anywhere I could post this suggestion in the Isla Nublar server

[indigo sun]

Nublar isnt gonna be forced to change its rules, and neither will they even do so unless you suggest it to that server.

Official suggestions have no bearing on private servers

[grim oak]

Again I didn’t see a suggestion page

[indigo sun]

Well its not doing much putting it here

They dont control Nublar

[grim oak]

No found it

Nvm

[indigo sun]

@zealous flint what do you mean?

[zealous flint]

Well for me,

Whenever I change dinosaurs and I'm on the skin selector, to change the colors,

It always like

The sound will glitch a lot

And the screen will lag a buncy

Bunch

Not sure if its just me tho but it takes like 10 minutes to change the colors

[indigo sun]

Highly likely it will be fixed with the recode

[zealous flint]

Alright

[paper oriole]

dont think "add dinos" is a valid suggestion

stego is already coming to survival too

[indigo sun]

@warm current stego, one of the dinosaurs you listed, is already coming to survival, likely with the recode based on comments by developers. We're getting more too post-recode, Spino and Pteranodon will be added as well, though we cant say when. Brachi will be AI however, so listing that isn't of much use. I'd also like to point out that, according to pinned messages in the #general-feedback channel, "Add x" is not a valid suggestion. You need to go in depth on why something should be added to survival.

[mental sleet]

if they can be made unique and fun, there is no problem about it.

[barren zephyr]

Shant is included in that suggestion therefore tis invalid

[mental sleet]

you can't invalidate the entire suggestion over Shant

[indigo sun]

The suggestion itself is invalid, but not because of Shant.

[barren zephyr]

Yes but also because of shant because shant should never be Added

And it says

“Add shant”

Hard disagree

[indigo sun]

Jesus

[barren zephyr]

Yeah perhaps invalid isn’t the correct term

More like

Very very strongly opposed to it

[still temple]

still want small sauropods in game

[paper oriole]

i want nigersaurus but he'd probably just get slaughtered lol

[still temple]

Nigersaurus would be epic, but yeah he won't be able to do much in game besides looking bizarre.

the largest carni Nigersaurus could effectively defend itself against would be cerato, the rest of the roster would just fuck it up

[indigo sun]

@open sedge "Add x" is not a valid suggestion according to the pinned messages in the #general-feedback channel. You need to go in depth if you want something added. What it would add to the survival roster, how it would be balanced, possible stats etc.

[umbral prairie]

also we will likely never get playables like that

we won't get brachi so I don't think we will get something even bigger

[indigo sun]

Bit of a balance issue, something that big.

[loud tapir]

I think the dry season suggestion is definitely interesting and would be fun event to have occour, but I feel like like if it actually affects people in not finding water, it will just end up making them log out. On the other side, you might have herd migrations happen more frequently which would be really cool.

[pulsar lake]

Dilo is only out speed bye Utah

Other need ambush

[umbral prairie]

and by carno, but carnos turn is trash

[pulsar lake]

Yeha I forgot carno

[sage helm]

And outgunned?

A solo dilo can bleed out a rex if its good

And it is about an even batch with utah

Match*

You bleed out an allo in 2-3 bites

And uh

Just hide from carno

Go to the forest

Wait... Is this where we are supposed to discuss feedback or is this all supposed to go down in #401464048610312195

[umbral prairie]

I think it's #401464048610312195

[sage helm]

Oh

Oops

[grave karma]

how would ourano easily be mistaken for spino

also, "para that does bleed"

[fervent coyote]

Because of the sail on her back, people see a sail and that’s an indicator of of danger

And god I wish that were true

Like people see a pachy and lose their minds because they think it’s a carnivore

[lilac swallow]

The ourano sail doesnt even look like a sail in the distance

[fervent coyote]

You’ve never seen an ourano in game and in real life

And besides, some depictions don’t show them with sails, but just scales over their spines like with the new spino model

It looks neat either way

[indigo sun]

@eager gate they wont give any sort of eta or date, both because steam discourages it and because shit you cant control happens, but i agree it would be a bit nice to see some updates.

[oblique dust]

Issues like potential ourano=spino confusion are reasons why the game needs a bestiary.

And not just a bestiary that can only be accessed and viewed as an optional side-thing from the character menu, because in that case, most clueless people who don't know shit about dinosaurs won't ever bother looking at it.

This is probably a horrible and outdated example, but maybe something like Metroid Prime's scanning system where people "lock" onto a new dinosaur they encounter for the "first" time on a server, and a "pop-up" description shows up that kinda vaguely implies the specific advantages or disadvantages the player could have with that creature, depending on whatever dino/human/tribal variation they're playing as?

Either way there needs to be something that tells clueless new people that they can't really take down a rex as a pack of 3-4 raptors.

Or that playing as a rex doesn't automatically mean they're super-OP and that they can just facetank a trike and expect to win the fight with ease.

Or maybe something like this will be incorporated into the affinity system, who knows lol

[paper oriole]

Ehh i think people should just learn the hard way instead of the game warning them not to attack that cerato as a dryo, part of the whole 'survival' thing yaknow

Really dont want the game to be holding peoples hand like that

[violet magnet]

"isle shouldn't be holding people's hand like that"

idk i woulda liked some kind of spreadsheet that told me what dinos made what sounds when i first started playing

or something

maybe not a full stat sheet that tells you which dino can take on what, but maybe something like the old size charts that you can look at to see which dinosaur is ahead

[azure arch]

WHOA WHOA

Where'd that screenshot come from!?

@violet magnet

is that from a development stream

Or was the re-code released today? :0

That looks like re-code foliage

[indigo sun]

Recode was not released today

Its probably from that r2 mod map or somethin, or its an old screenshot

[viral creek]

That's an old screenshot.

Thenyaw swamp I think

[azure arch]

Oh

Allosaurus model looks different

You sure that isn't new

I never saw pond reeds in thenyaw

And I've been everywhere in thenyaw

[wintry cipher]

Couple versions of the game ago

[violet magnet]

@azure arch it's an old build of Thenyaw and before skin customization, from October 2018

there were reeds in swamp and some other lakes had tall grass on the banks, and swamp looked better

[azure arch]

Oh 😔

[barren zephyr]

Yeah so

Everyone knows Cerato needs help

It’s like

The biggest meme rn

Has an even 1v1 with dilo even tho it’s supposed to be a small tier bully

[long heath]

I haven't formed a new Cerato Gang in quite some time...

We will come back, and then safelog as soon as we see a pack of 4-6 Allos/Carnos because we're aware of how shit we are at even taking one Allo down.

Cerato really just needs better healing and a bit more health...thought it was supposed to be a hyena. Those guys in groups are nasty, not just...keel over and die from a single lion.

A new strain is just...unneccessary and would only put more of a damper on actual gameplay. I mean how many do we have now...? 5-6?

Hypo Carno, Rex, Giga, Spino, Neuro Spino and if you count Magnatyrannus as well as the conceptual Magnaraptor.

Would be more fitting of a characteristic to the fabled and long forgotten Tissoplastic strain than hypos...their entire niche is to be borderline unstoppable living tanks. Not tactical bags of wildcard tricks.

[violet magnet]

@empty sigil yes to oviraptorids, no to carno being faster

big heckin' no

[paper oriole]

lmao why would carno need to be faster

anzu or gigantoraptor would be neat though

[barren zephyr]

Deinocheirus..

[empty sigil]

it's barely faster than a lot of sprinting carnivores

[paper oriole]

also we have some current herbis who could fit into omnivore role like galli and theri

??? carno is faster than everything that is a threat to it

and everything else like i guess utah ambush is faster but thats a fukin utah

carno also has reinforced knees for when it launches over rocks lmao

[empty sigil]

yeah that's the best part of carno

[still temple]

Since omnivores are now half confirmed, wouldn’t mind seeing feathered oviraptorids and ornithomimids

[empty sigil]

isn't galli an ornithmimid

[paper oriole]

ye

[still temple]

Tapejarids could also fit in omnivores, though they would be classified as fliers

[paper oriole]

he could use a fluffy option, hopefully when feathers come out galli gets treated to it too

pterandon could pick berries off of plants yea

[empty sigil]

yeah, but I like the point of gallis tail

[paper oriole]

alongside fishing and scavenging

galli could easily be an egg gobbler and also eat hatchlings as well as eat bugs

probably not eat off of larger corpses though

[still temple]

Pteranodon shouldn’t be an omnivore

[empty sigil]

well bug are no where near being in the isle

[still temple]

Ptera should stay carnivorous

[empty sigil]

not in ai form anyway

just 2d images at water'

[paper oriole]

i hope some day we can munch those bugs at least as galli and juvies

[barren zephyr]

Yeas

[empty sigil]

mhm

[paper oriole]

galli already snaps behind him like hes trying to get a fly

[empty sigil]

yeah

[still temple]

Beishanlong very epic

[empty sigil]

actually that makes me think that something like concavenator would be cool to see in the isle as a carnivore

what's the other one with the big bent down mouth

[still temple]

Cool yes, dunno what it’ll do in game tho

Mid tier carni niches have already been filled up

[empty sigil]

no aquatic mid tiers

bary get's K.O. by mid tiers

[still temple]

Sucho is aquatic mid tier

It’s pushing it a bit, but Sucho is definitely no apex

[empty sigil]

It's on the higher side

I also hope that the new map will have a feel like thenyaw with the size of v3, because v3 has always sucked for me

[violet magnet]

because bary is a sandbox dino and hasn't been balanced for survival

[empty sigil]

true

[paper oriole]

"not game breaking" "explode their prey with one bite"

[empty sigil]

I'm not saying that's what they would do

but because that's game breaking

I'm saying they should be stronger

that's just what I'm pretty sure they actually did

not literally exploding

more bursting irl

[pearl rapids]

Rex is fine as it is

[empty sigil]

can it 2 shot para?

[pearl rapids]

para is dead as soon as rex touches it

[empty sigil]

ok then I'm fine'

[pearl rapids]

BB is almost 100% chance on anything that is not apex

So no way that you can run away from rex after 1st bite

[empty sigil]

giggas tho

[pearl rapids]

Rex murders gigas

[empty sigil]

they can kill rexes so easily now

[pearl rapids]

No they can't unless rex is either most unlucky player on a planet with BB not being applied or being simply bad

[empty sigil]

dilo is also crazy strong now

compared to a carno

which is of similar size

it's op

bleed anything to death

[native vale]

As a carno, you can pretty much choose your fights, though. Just run away.

[paper oriole]

why do you want the fastest survival dino to be faster and the strongest survival dino to be stronger

[pearl rapids]

Until you meet maia truck

[paper oriole]

who needs help with stats? not rex or carno for sure

[empty sigil]

well if you want all the stats to be even

for all groups

[paper oriole]

even? lol

no

[empty sigil]

apex=apex

[native vale]

If the stats were even you wouldn't need multiple species???

[empty sigil]

midtier=midtier

[paper oriole]

if they were even shit would be so boring

[empty sigil]

yeah

[native vale]

Besides, if rex needs anything changed, then it should be its base speed - nerf that but keep its ambush.

[paper oriole]

carno already outpaces pretty much everything except herrera and utah ambush and herrera is a oneshot sandbox dino so he doesnt count

rex already one or twoshots everything below it and merks the other two survival apexes

most of the time at least

[empty sigil]

ok maybe your right'

I'm tired

[paper oriole]

more shrubbery and tall grass/reeds are already coming

[indigo sun]

@lone hatch that really isnt a suggestion.. they cant do any updates without finishing the recode and they're working their asses off. Just be patient and play something else.

Amd i just wanna say, you whining doesnt make them go faster, so that was literally one of the most pointless messages i've seen today.

[lone hatch]

xD

[indigo sun]

Also, your name has to be standard characters, as per #rules-and-info #6

[lone hatch]

Stop crying dude

[indigo sun]

Im literally just telling you that so a mod doesnt have to talk to you about it.

But fuck me, i guess. bye.

[sage helm]

You could get kicked or banned for it so guess we will see whos crying when that happens

[violet magnet]

there it is
"rexes were able to explode their prey with one bite"

"ermahgerd it's ridiculous rex can't oneshot everything rex needs a buff"

rex can already incapacitate everything and make it so the prey can't run away, it is fine where it is

[lone hatch]

when dondi is fanboi rex

[barren zephyr]

More like Rex is a Dondi fanboy amiirite

[loud tapir]

Rexes can't 1 shot gigas, broken bois

[thorn wagon]

Guess bazelguese Rex is a meme now

Able to literally explode prey

[viral creek]

lol

[paper oriole]

So we got gigas summoning sharks, paras breathing fire and rexes blowing people up by biting them

[sage helm]

Thats all? I feel like there are a lot more crazy suggestions

[loud tapir]

Tfw paras breathing fire isen't the dumbest suggestion there is

[thorn wagon]

Don’t forget tho, perf nachy

“Utah should be able to 1 shot pachys because it’s realistic”

Plus Giga croc with being able to drown Rex

And this:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/557661586517524480/617186523032584192/image0.png

[lilac swallow]

Imagine not being able to logout as trike because you have a speedy galli who dont want you to logout

[white spruce]

Imagine walking along with a herd that has no group and being unable to leave

[grave karma]

who said the memes were ironic @long heath

[long heath]

Last time I saw any talk of "BuFF GigGLes" it was in the meme channel in that exact format of text.

I refuse to believe there are legitimate people that think this thing needs another buff.

then again there was that guy earlier that thought Rex needed one

[barren zephyr]

All I know is... Cerato can survive one bite from Giga

[long heath]

It can survive the damage yes. Bleed? Unless the Giga is distracted by something else you aren't getting away by running.

That bleed will put you down.

[barren zephyr]

Yeah, that's true. The bleed will take you down if you don't sit down almost immediately. Running is completely out of the question. Idk, all I know is, everything will be different when the recode comes. Perhaps this will be fixed, or even more broken. I've heard some things about the bleed system being changed, but those are just rumors.

[long heath]

Cerato has arguably the worst bleed resistance out of any carnivore in survival.

Utah and Dilo (well actually Dilo is pretty decent) are kind of out of the picture considering everything not another Utah, Dilo or juvenile form essentially brings them to near death where the bleed will take them out in minutes.

Utah just has the advantage of getting onto a rock and spam barking while it heals.

In other news Citipati could also have a unique diet of shellfish or mollusks that wind up on the beaches or tidepools around the oceans since that's a theory on oviraptids

[barren zephyr]

I'm worried about omnivore life being too easy, hopefully omnivores will remain smaller, considering they have a more varied diet

[long heath]

There'll probably be an affinity system of having a diverse diet.

Eating too much p l a n t won't do so hot with affinity.

[thorn wagon]

Ok now this is the stuff we need more of in rebalancing suggestions

Concrete examples and a thought out method of changing it that's still balanced

@long heath

Instead of just "rex is underpowered" or "utah should be able to easily kill a pachy"

[long heath]

Hey thanks my dude.

[wild rose]

hmmm these suggestions seem less detailed wonder why they are now removed yet huh?

or am i the only one that gets their suggestions deleted

never knew this turned into a english class

this?

and wtf is this

[hoary ocean]

I'm sure a mod will do something when they notice

also that rex photo was an example they used for a bleed indicator or icon, they wanted to be able to tell how much bleed they're losing I guess

[wild rose]

why looking at the dino? or are they trying to give an example of a better bleed system

[hoary ocean]

yes

better example

they are pretty much suggesting a bleed icon

[wild rose]

is that not a thing already

[thorn wagon]

Not a bleed icon saying how much you have, it would kinda be like the scars on your dino but a little screen showing where you were hurt or bleeding I think

It would kinda tie into the lore of being monitored by scientists but I don't see how knowing where you're bleeding from would do anything.

Or, they mean a picture of your dino and how filled in it is is how much bleed you have? Idrk...

[mellow maple]

Okay but hear me out

before someone tells me Alberto is just a sandbox dinosaur

would it be much just to give the guy a nose

JUST A NOSE MANNN

[long heath]

Give the guy a slot, man.

A SLOT MANNN

[normal fern]

[lethal sparrow]

a reverse-stomach like bleed indicator is actually a neat idea, filling up the worse you have it

question is how to define its being 'filled;' hitting a certain critical, 'you'll die if you keep moving' amount of bleed will take it to its top level? relative to current HP? it'd take some coding & math

[blazing charm]

@dusky mango As far as I know, Puerta is being replaced by Brachiosaurus, but overall what you're suggesting is going to be a thing with AI sauropods.

[dusky mango]

Oh alright, sounds cool 👌

[indigo sun]

@barren zephyr unlikely they'll bring an old model back when it's better to use updated and more recent models. They changed the model because they weren't happy with it for whatever reason. I doubt they'll bring back something that didnt fit what they wanted

[wintry cipher]

The old one was bugged and would ball up on death.

I believe that was the big reason.

[hoary ocean]

Doberman Allo

[grim oak]

Has anyone commented on my Citipati for omnivores idea yet?

[barren minnow]

id love any oviraptorid. theyre all pretty good bois

[sage helm]

^

[nocturne sonnet]

what about ovi and gigantoraptor

[pseudo falcon]

@lament kayak your general statement in suggestions is fine. I too agree that mix packing is a problem in both carnivores and herbivores alike. However, the differences are notable. It's far more reasonable to pair M&G than A&C. It's not just their lack of bleed. A&C are far superior in terms of overall combat statistics than M&G. Groups of A&C can pick on a variety of targets ranging from small to the largest currently available. M&G can barely take on dinos their weight class if who they're fighting has a clue how to play the game. (The matchup between Maia and Dilo is very poorly thought out and in serious need of a rebalance, I'm ignoring it due to it being so overwhelmingly obvious) Just because Galli can scout, and Maia has very well rounded stats, doesn't automatically put them anywhere near the level of oppressiveness the dinos you're comparing them to have. Small and mid tier herbivores are a reasonable mix majorly in part to their lack of bleed. Apex and pseudo apexs like Diablo and Trike have bleed, so when you mix their bleed with dinos like Maia and even Galli who can keep up with injured targets, that's when you start to have an issue. Although bleed isn't the only notable difference between those pairs, it's a big factor in why it's ok for M&G to mix pack, and why it's not ok for A&C.

Oof, this was a longer message than I thought...

[lament kayak]

Damn okay let me try to read this all

@pseudo falcon I'll either write a response now or in a few hours

[pseudo falcon]

Lmao

To summarize it, basically I feel like the only herbivores who shouldn't be allowed to mix pack are diablo and trike

[lament kayak]

Just a little busy

[pseudo falcon]

The rest are manageable

[lament kayak]

Before affinity is out

that is reasonable

[pseudo falcon]

Well, diablos can mix pack with dryos, same as trike

Even when it comes out

[lament kayak]

The issue comes from herbis being able to effectively hunt and bait carnis with mix packs

Not so much raw strength

[pseudo falcon]

The general rule of thumb should be that if you can cause bleed, you shouldn't be able to group with dinos faster than you

Idk 'bout you, but I don't see Gallis killing rexes unless the rexes got bled the shit out of

Bleed is the problem.

[lament kayak]

I could include that

Gallis and maias are only really problematic as they can wear out allos and then wait for their diablo friend to come in and finish the allo off as if it was a hunting party. I believe affinity can prevent that and allow for less exploitable mixpacking

I can go into more detail later

[pseudo falcon]

Alternatively, they could just ban diablos from mix packing with maias and gallis

Done

Like I said. The only thing that makes mix packing broken is bleed

Since if you can't fight, your best bet is to run, and if they have a buddy who can keep up with you while you bleed

You just die

N that ain't right

[lament kayak]

I'll consider that in my next suggestion

Hopefully herbivores will be less mixpack reliant after recode

I wouldn't mind mixpacking if affinity and mechanics are able to control it effectively

[mellow fox]

Imo making Ceratopsians the resident assholes would be a good balance idea. People constantly compare them to buffaloes and rhinos and those are aggressive... What they constantly forget is they those are aggressive towards other herbivores a good bit as well, especially when it comes to food and their young, only ignoring small, beneficial animals like birds. Dryosaurus kinda could fit into that.

It would also offer more playstyle choices. Do you want to be a herbivore that is inclined to do gang wars (Ceratopsian) or a herbivore that is social (hadrosaurs, Pachycephalosaurus, Dryosaurus). While it would also eliminate the whole issue of the bleed abuse.

Similarly, future additions could have the same balance pass ideas. I feel Stegosaurus would be an aggressive herbivore as well, as well as being a bleeder, while Ankylosaurus could be social, as the worst it could do is break legs, but only to those that are foolish to attack it instead of the rest of the herd, as it is incapable of harassing.

Gallimimus I ignored on purpose, since I feel it will be reclassified as an omnivore and imo it should be a juvenile / hatchling killer / stealer, so herbivores would generally not tolerate them.

[empty sigil]

@grim oak, Gigantoraptor would be wayyyyyy cooler

[grim oak]

I was just giving ideas and the Citipati is big enough to be a small omnivore. The oviraptor is only 5ft long while Citipati is around 9-10ft long. And I we have found more fossils of Citipati than we have of gigantoraptor so we know what it looks like. We can only guess what gigantoraptor looks like.

[thorn wagon]

Gigantoraptor is eh tbh, just another big boi

Citipati is best oviraptorosaur don't @ me

[long heath]

Why would Anky be sociable...shouldn't it be the other way around.

Anky is just a stubborn living rock with another rock at the end of its tail.

If anything Anky would be the dino to go through life completely ignorant to its surroundings because it can handle them with that armor and club.

Wouldn't necessarily need a herd if it can smash a Rex's face in with one blow.

[teal scarab]

when ur suggestion gets deleted by admin

[long heath]

Aight well with @barren zephyr 's suggestion I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate and say that while the old allo models definitely shouldn't take over the new one, they should be an alternative skin to the current Allo if we ever get to the point where The Isle is fleshed out enough to do so. I mean Carchar last we heard was going to be an alt to Giga, so the older Allos could be alts to the current Allo. It'd be a nice touch similar to how Feed and Grow: Fish used their old models as an alternative skin.

Plus I mean.

TSL Rex. I want it back asap.

[little tendon]

i have a idea that i thought would be cool: you know those streams that have their water animation move really fast? what if those streams carry dinosaurs the same size as or smaller then a utah raptor. so if a baby dino or any other small creature gets in, the water would sweep them away and it will be hard to get out of. you can still move left and right but the speed of the water depends on the animation of it. plus theres the danger of being caught by preds while your sliding by. imagine being a baby trike going to get a drink as a rex tries to burst out of the trees and eat you. you slip and fall into the water as the rex gives up its chase and walks away. you 4 call as the parents helplessly follow you and 2 call and 4 call trying to help you. pretty soon the parents loose their stam as u get sent to a unknown location. i thought it would be a pretty cool addon and it will make you be alot more careful when drinking.

[grim oak]

@long heath if any dinosaur should be nerfed it is the dilo. The dilo is way too overpowered for its size and players think this gives them permission to act like jerks and overpopulate the servers with them. The bleed in my opinion should be reduced to at least 3-3.5 per hit. The giga’s bleed is based on its hunting behavior. With it being so slow hit hits hard and lets it prey bleed out so it doesn’t have to waste energy chasing it down. The giga’s bleed (once again in my opinion) is perfectly balanced against other apexes. The dilo’s bleed is greatly overpowered and over exaggerated. Dilophosaurus hunting in packs is enough to take down large prey, the bleed is what makes them overpowered.

[lament kayak]

This isn't a nerf suggestion, its a mixpacking rule suggestion

@grim oak Dilo's bleed is 50, cerato's is 8. 3 bleed is even lower than cerato's and that is some pretty low bleed. Mass also affects bleed. Dilos can be easily wiped out by utahraptors. Dunno what you're on about either as my suggestion wasn't a nerf suggestion

They are redoing bleed after recode as well

[grim oak]

Ok I didn’t know

[lament kayak]

the giga can usually heal dilo bleed off fine

rexes however struggle

bad alt turn, bad bleed heal

It'll probably be fixed

[grim oak]

Wrong person that’s why

[little tendon]

@grim oak i think the bleed for dilo is overpowered cause likekomodo dragon they dont have venom but they have spit that can be very very deadly if your bittin by one

so i think the dilo has insane bleed cause their spit when they bite you kinda like komodo dragons

[grim oak]

The Komodo dragon actually does have venom. This was recently discovered years ago

[little tendon]

..................................the school taught me wrong then

[grim oak]

Along with the bacteria in its mouth

[little tendon]

i was reading a book that said they dont have venom.......................................i was lied to aparently by the book

[grim oak]

Scientists said the bacteria alone wouldn’t kill an animal as fast as these animals where doing.

12-24hr

[empty sigil]

lobster

[little tendon]

what kind of school was i in if they allowed that false information into books XD

[empty sigil]

there's no real proof of venom in dilophosaurus I don't think

[grim oak]

You were not lied to it was recently announced

[little tendon]

when was it announced?

[empty sigil]

it's just J-park

[little tendon]

i knew the dilo irl didint have frills or shoot venom

i definitly knew that

[grim oak]

Overall I think the dilo is overpowered from its bleed and it needs to be reduced to at least 3.5

[empty sigil]

ok

yeaj

I agree

[grim oak]

Or lower

[little tendon]

1 dilo took down 3 gigas

im not even kidding

i saw that happen

[grim oak]

I have seen a single dilo kill and adult Rex

[empty sigil]

one almost killed me as full sub rex recently

[little tendon]

1 dilo was just chilling alone at twins and 3 gigas came up to eat it. as if the dilo activated ultra instinct it swiftly bit all of them and they all bled to death

i just pictured the dilo with the ultra instinct aura......................

[empty sigil]

this is why my two most hated dinos are theri and dilo

[little tendon]

theris are scary as hell

[empty sigil]

mainly because theris just give me ptsd

and take over on deathmatch

[grim oak]

They supposedly hunted in packs because a single dilophosaurus couldn’t take down a larger prey animal because of its weak jaw strength

In groups it had a chance

[little tendon]

the isle is sure as hell realistic if turkeys scare me irl then the theri is nightmare fual

[empty sigil]

I also think the allo should be nerfed

it only had the bite force of a modern lion

despite it's size

[grim oak]

I don’t think so it wouldn’t be fair if a cerato could kill an allo pack alone

I’ve killed a single allo and died seconds later from bleed as a cerato

[little tendon]

that slightly happened to me

i was a allo at titan and this cerato came up to challenge me

we fought a bit then he started tailriding me

i was at 3rd screen and right before he could finish me he bled to death

[empty sigil]

brb

[little tendon]

so i just BARELY won by sheer luck

[grim oak]

And the ceratosaurus was smaller than an allosaurus

By like 8ft-10ft

[little tendon]

it was one of those fights where we charge at each other then land a bite then turn around and charge again to bite.

after about the 2nd bite he started tailriding me and thats when he bled out

[grim oak]

I the cerato has 350 bite force while the allo has only 300

That is not fair

If anything they should have the same bite force of 350

[little tendon]

i think the allos better

it just gives me those vibes where u feel powerful

[grim oak]

Other than its turing speed

Cerato wins at that

[little tendon]

if a rex or giga is charging at me im not scared but if i see a allo crouch sprinting at me i freak out

the allo has this "OH SHIT" vibe to it when it chases you

[grim oak]

The bite animation sucks though

[little tendon]

ya

i gtg

the rex crouch i really dont like....a rex cant crouch like dat

[grim oak]

They are fixing that with the recode

Which by the way is being released bit by bit other than in a huge update

At least that is what foz said in his latest video

[long heath]

If you want less Dilos, get more herbivores.

Maias and Gallis are their bane.

It's really quite simple and easy to counter a Dilo with either of those.

If you're dying to Dilos as a Rex then chances are you're probably just in a bad spot.

Or the Rex itself is just...bad lol

Just back your ass up against something so they can't run through you, get into a crouching stance so you have a better chance of hitting them or just log off when it's night time so if there is a big Dilo pack at least you have better odds in broad daylight.

[barren zephyr]

It's not that I don't agree with you, the older Allo I liked a bit better and felt smoother. But reverting back to the old model, if the devs even still have it, would be a waste of the new model. Plus they changed it for a reason. Probably because they themselves, the devs, did not like how the Allo looked at the time

[limpid dove]

first allo model was playdough. second allo model wasn't even an allo, more like a wingless dragon. third allo model is pretty good as is - just that the animations need a tweak so they aren't so stiff. i feel like allo could use some more swing to it's body, if that makes any sense.

[noble dirge]

I would honestly love V2 Allo animations transferred over to current Allo, one we have now is super stiff.

[pulsar lake]

I thunk omnivore shouldn't be able to eat animals body like galli, Utah, Cera or just dinosaurs in general.
They could eat only ribs, insects, fish or little animals like snakes, lizards or little mammals.

Make for example than a deinocheirus will need to hunt will make no sens

[sage helm]

@brisk mesa Nice suggestion. Just curious about the hunger tho. Would it be like 2 separate hunger bars or just one for both plants and meat? Will the hunger be easy to fill up but have increased drop rate? And how fast would that hunger drop?

Idk if you said it and I missed it

But I love the suggestion and the idea of omnivores

Oops nvm

Turns out I missed it

[paper oriole]

i think a possible way to do omnis is they have two seperate hunger bars and have to keep them somewhat balanced or suffer bad affinity depending on the imbalance. like if one bar is at 75% and the other is at 20% you'll be a little weaker, if you have 10% on one and 80% on the other you'll be noticably weaker, but if one is at 60% and the other is at 70% it'd be close enough to make no difference

might be a way to get the "omnis would have it way too easy" out of the way

[sage helm]

I like that

I would also be fine with them having one the fast hunger like ninja said but easy to fill them up

[paper oriole]

yeah so theyre kinda constantly looking for things to nibble on

kinda like shrews

[sage helm]

Yea

Id prefer 2 seperate hunger bars with affinity tied into them tho

[brisk mesa]

@paper oriole @sage helm
Two bars is a genuinely poor notion in practice, it becomes tedious and defeats the ONLY advantage that comes from being an omnivore. As I pointed out, they have enough drawbacks to where you don't need to nerf them in such a way.

[sage helm]

I feel like it would be easier to maintain

[brisk mesa]

Omnivores IRL have pretty intense caloric demands for their bodyweight, largely due to the demands in intelligence needed to find all the different foods they can access w/o the adaptations carnivores and herbivores respectively have; a Raccoon isn't as powerful as other mammals of it's size, it lacks sharp claws or high speed to reliably catch prey, so it has dexterous hands and a curious nature to help it get food.

AI, post-recode, will stop spawning on demand.

[sage helm]

Give them less hunger drain but have 2 bars to fill up that are tied to affinity

[brisk mesa]

It's more annoying that way, Exotic.

That's the issue.

Gameplay should always be aimed to be enjoyable.

If you are running back and forth managing two bars, it defeats the point of an omnivore.

[sage helm]

Im not seeing how it would be more annoying?

[brisk mesa]

It becomes even more of a chore to play - you have three "needs" to manage vs. two of the other factions.

Omnivore with slow hunger drain but two bars becomes "herbivore that also eats meat"

[sage helm]

I feel like it would be more tedious because of the hunger ninja proposed

[brisk mesa]

No, I'm disregarding that entirely.

[lilac swallow]

Having 2 food sources should be an advantage not the other way around

[brisk mesa]

^^^

It shouldn't feel like an unrealistic burden.

Every other creature only needs to meet thirst and hunger.

It shouldn't need both.

[sage helm]

It feels like a burden with the hunger drain ninja proposed is all im saying

[brisk mesa]

No, it forces higher paced gameplay.

[sage helm]

Faster than an apex seems like a bit too much

[brisk mesa]

Apexes have same time as mid tiers atm LOL.

2hrs.

[sage helm]

Oh really?

[brisk mesa]

Good meme right there.

[sage helm]

Wow

Why tho

[brisk mesa]

Because gameplay is le epic easymode.

[sage helm]

It used to be 30 minutes

What happened lol

[brisk mesa]

Giga used to, never Trex.

[sage helm]

Ah

[brisk mesa]

Trex was an hour but needed a fuckton of food.

[sage helm]

Jeez

[brisk mesa]

Giga could eat scraps but died after 43min of no food

[sage helm]

See this is why there are too many apexes

[brisk mesa]

No, it's because of AI.

Hunger drain means fuckall if AI spawns on-demand.

[sage helm]

I saw apexes before so was in

[brisk mesa]

Recode is changing this, which is incredible.

[sage helm]

Ai*

[brisk mesa]

Yes, they relied on snackrifices and were only common on Thenyaw

V3 at the time had FUCKALL apexes.

An apex was actually rare but scary lol.

[sage helm]

Yea

[brisk mesa]

Carnivores had it pretty rough, but so did herbivores bc there wasnt many bushes to go around.

[sage helm]

I see where you are going with the 2 bars being a burden more as well

So does every mid tier have the same hunger?

[brisk mesa]

They vary a little bit.

And stomach volume is what varies a lot;

[sage helm]

Ah

[brisk mesa]

A Sucho has similar time to an Allo but needs less food to fill up.

Among herbivore's theres a greater variability.

[sage helm]

So the one question I have is now much food would the omnivores need to fill up their bar

[brisk mesa]

Not much.

But they are always actively looking for a meal.

Omnivores in Ninja & I's vision aren't casual or relaxing.

You'll thrive based on your knowledge, experience and ability to find food efficiently

[sage helm]

Yea

So if the mini theri(forgot the name) got added would it decrease the chances of theri getting put in as a herbivore only?

So would there be a way to keep omnivores from camping food sources or would that just be affinity

[brisk mesa]

Camping food sources isn;t bad as any faction.

It's a basic survival tactic.

Also, no, it wouldnt reduce Theri's odds of making the cut.

Nothronychus being an omnivore well, doesn't compete with Theri as an apex herbivore, much as how Sucho exists as does Spino.

[sage helm]

Alright

[brisk mesa]

Granted I'd love Theri as an omnivore.

The only reason it isn't brought up is well, dinosauriac's comment.

[sage helm]

I just figured you wouldnt want an omnivore just camping a bush with water near by if it is meant to eat both meat and plants

[brisk mesa]

Well I mean, that's like looking at a bear doing so.

Weed crops grown outside get raided by bears...

the bears just kinda hang out there until people drive them off.

Likewise, when the salmon run happens

bears just stay there

So omnivores wouldn't magically abandon food sources.

[sage helm]

So having the option to eat doesnt mean they need to. Its just a survival mechanism for when food is low

[brisk mesa]

Correct, and we designed them to where they each are better suited to eat certain things.

Deinocheirus would have access to the 'wading' minigame, like Sucho

So it has an incentive to exploit rivers, but it can still scavenge, kill shit, raid nests, eat plants

But lacks specializations to do so well.

[sage helm]

Yea

[brisk mesa]

If you aren't fast, you're genuinely poorly suited as a scavenger or nest raider

If your slow as hell and have NO ambush, killing things is a measure of self defense typically

(or finding juvis, bc rip juvis)

[sage helm]

Yea

So you were saying about dinos comment about theri?

[brisk mesa]

Yeah, he basically mentioned none of the current dinos being uh, omnivores.

So unless he meant survival only, or he wasn't made aware of Dondi's intentions, it has to be taken as credible.

Until proven otherwise, Theri's off the menu for omnivore playable

[lilac swallow]

Sad galli isnt making It as omni

The juvie kicker would have had an actual reason to Kick juvie

[brisk mesa]

Herbivores already hate gallis atm.

This would crank that to 11.

[sage helm]

Ah bummer

[lilac swallow]

Not like the speedy galli cares about who hate it

[sage helm]

True tho

[brisk mesa]

Dont get me wrong I'd fucking adore Theri.

[sage helm]

I love theri even as a herbi

But omnivore would make it that much better

[lilac swallow]

Theri would actually be very unique at least aesthetically

[brisk mesa]

Agreed.

Theri's also semi-iconic with the Isle.

That's one of the dinos most associated to it lol

[lilac swallow]

Iconic but no shantu kind of iconic

[sage helm]

Shant is not a good kind of iconic tho

People love theri

[lilac swallow]

Didnt say shant was a good kind of iconic

[sage helm]

True

[near scaffold]

I know this isn't a server related request but I figured I might get answers here.

I am red/green colorblind and with that being said the two colors blend for me. I have to sniff to find any and all gore piles and at night with nv on it's nearly impossible. I play Dilo mainly and this same issue is present (for me) with tracking blood as it blends with foliage.
Are there any plans for a colorblind option being introduced to the game? Or any tips in general to help me out. I don't want any unfair advantages and I'm very pleased with the game as is. This is more of an information seeking question than anything else

[indigo sun]

You could try dming punchpacket with any questions, especially one of this nature. Or you could make it a suggestion to add in colorblind options for people with this issue. This channel is more for discussing suggestions that have been made in the above channel

[pulsar lake]

I think omnivore should be easy if you do the right things, like for example Deinocheirus.
Deinocheirus could eat only a kind of meat like little juvi dinosaurs like juvi Dryo, Galli, Utah, Dilo, Carno or anything who is small, lizards and insect. But it can't eat meat from adult dinosaurs, Sub adult.

After omnivore could have 2 bares to check like Plants and Other with insect, fish and flesh. I think it should work like that because it's like that in the life, you get some disease if you have a lack of protein or something like that so it work on Affinity.
If you have for example no more meat hunger bare it won't kill you like the current game system, just make some Nerf stats like speed, HP or bleed resistance. Plants lack will make you die at the end because the rigim is almost at 70% herbs so you will need a more lot leafs to eat ot berries.

The omnivore gameplay could be fun and easy. For example meat hunger time could be extremely slow, like 2 or 2:30 hours, but plants hunger time can be short like an hour.

I just don't want to see a galli, deinoch or theriz hunt small dinosaurs for eat them. These dinosaurs weren't hunter so why make them in the game?

The meat bare could be easy to recharge and the herbs one could be just decent like when you eat as a pachy

After entire food value in the game is to rework.

I took the example of Deinocheirus because it is probably more viable and can be more balanced than the current theri or the future one

[sage helm]

I mean it should take skill

But it shouldnt be hard per say

And experianced omnivore player should have a much easier time with them than players new to them

Like how gallies kill utahs and dilos with realative ease but new gallies should not try it

[pulsar lake]

Galli shouldnt fight like it fight.

[sage helm]

I mean that was just an example

Gallies should pack a punch tho

Imagine getting kicked in the face by those legs

[pulsar lake]

Okay it could respond to them but how ridiculous it does just no

[sage helm]

Yea it needs to not be able to spam kick

[pulsar lake]

Galli attack should be rework

Exactly

And after I will see some people say "Uh galli isn't a meat of choice"

It was

To medium dino

After small were fucked

By his claws

[sage helm]

When recode comes gallies won't be as strong because of collision

[pulsar lake]

At the hand

I think the galli should be able to attack with his foot

It need another attack

[sage helm]

It needs a peck

Make the kick for standing or walking

Then give it a peck

[pulsar lake]

Only in stationary it could atta k like it does

Yes

[sage helm]

Give it trample

[pulsar lake]

[sage helm]

But when gallie cant run through things spam kicking its gonna be difficult to kill things with it

It should still be able to give utah and dilo a good fight

Just not in the way it does now

[pulsar lake]

Why fight when you are faster and agile?

[sage helm]

Because no one likes to be defenseless

Thats just a part of human nature

[pulsar lake]

Hate human

It think the most time to fight

[sage helm]

Yea

[pulsar lake]

Not run away

Because in their brains they are like "If I don't fight I lose"

Same for 3 call
People think you want to kill them when you 3 call them

[sage helm]

But as a gallie utahs ambush is faster than you

[pulsar lake]

It's just a "Go out of here"

[sage helm]

So in that case I would want to be able to fight

[pulsar lake]

But you are a lot more agile

[sage helm]

Not hunt then down but fight

Or at least delay the death

[pulsar lake]

Or dodge them

It's easy as galli

To Utah

Or dilo

[sage helm]

Things actually catch up to you when you turn tho

[pulsar lake]

And when they stop running to try to bit you run away

That is fun

[sage helm]

Gallies are very large with strong legs

They should be able to defend against a utah if it has to imo

[pulsar lake]

Yes if it has

But make than it's not the principal issue

[sage helm]

We also dont want gallies having to run from juvis

If we make it weak then a simple cerato juvi would push it off an area

[thorn wagon]

Flashback to cerato Rex days

Where the juvis was probably strong enough to do that

[sage helm]

that was bad

Cerato Juvi could 1v1 an allo

[barren zephyr]

@brisk mesa Yes Deinocheirus chad dinosaur

[normal fern]

Not really, could definitely put up a better fight then current cerato though.

It could also solo two carnos with his excellent bleed resistance instead of being cucked by one

Old juvi cerato vs Allo was maybe 80/20 in allos favour

[sage helm]

Huh

Allos must have been bad cause I killed pleanty

[normal fern]

I mean not even.

It's always a close fight so even a slight mistake fucks either side.

Allo was just faster and more forgiving

[barren cave]

allos bleed hurt while ceratos can assride them is really the key factors i see when the two clash

[brisk mesa]

Nah, juvi Ceratorex (old cerato) could bleed out an Allo in a facetank.

So regardless, because bleed killed back then, it was actually in Juvi Cera

Allo needed fewer hits to kill but juvi Cera was agile and really beefy.

Allo was heavier but had same base HP

[sage helm]

Hey @little tendon this would be the place to discuss suggestions :)

[little tendon]

Oh ya

This is my opinion but there should be a Savannah map cause thenyaw and v3 have the same texture and looks so it does not have character. There should be a tall grass area that looks like this

But more dense and more trees and a stream

[south flower]

They’re currently working on more various ecosystems in the game, which should (if I remember correctly) will all come on the new map they’re constructing.

[little tendon]

Oooh.

I'm Excited

[umbral prairie]

@zealous flint pouncing is planned afaik

definitely for utah, probably also the other raptors but I'm not entirely sure

[zealous flint]

Oh okie

I didn't know-

[normal fern]

@last heath yes please

[warm quarry]

So, I know I'm jumping in in the middle (and I'm rough on the rules, so if I'm doing something wrong, please tell me), but I'm curious if anyone knows if the devs plan to add a ramming mechanic. Big guys like Allos and T-Rex would have likely used ramming in a fight with other big predators. It would do little against most herbivores, as 4 legs would pretty much guarantee that they would suffer little more than some bruising, and if they're tall enough to be hit by a full-grown Rex, Carno, Allo, etc, it's debatable though doubtful that they'd suffer even a broken bone. Against other carefully balanced, two-legged predators, however, the ramming could be an effective method of attack. Though not highly damaging, there is potential that the target could be shoved off a cliff or the like, or at least thrown off kilter/forced to miss a bite. It may be a decent balance for H-types as well, as I have seen videos of them on YouTube and they are practically unstoppable without another H-type around to fight back.
It is also true that most prey would have used it, but I haven't played one yet, so I don't know if that's already there.

[oblique sluice]

@gritty arrow And...what he would do a part of being a Quetz clone?

[gritty arrow]

its well cool .

[oblique sluice]

Not enough

[gritty arrow]

what speices of quetzul is the one in the isle

[sage helm]

And it looks thicker

It could pribably hunt things better than quetz depending

[gritty arrow]

its older then quetzul

so theres that

[oblique sluice]

Hatze could do better that niche, and even that is not enough

[gritty arrow]

and its a pretty new creatuer recently recinised as its own spece .

[oblique sluice]

Being new and cool doesn't mean it should be added

[sage helm]

These are not gameplay reasons tho frog

[gritty arrow]

it was thought to be quetzul sp

[oblique sluice]

it needs an unique gameplay

[sage helm]

These are just paleo facts

If you feel it would be better you may want to go more in depth

Devs only really consider well thought out suggestions tbh

[gritty arrow]

it lived in alberta might have eutice gameplay it was recnied as its own speises on september 10th this year

[oblique sluice]

Dude

[viral creek]

So you want him in the game, right?

[gritty arrow]

its the same size as the quetzul in the isle

[oblique sluice]

If you want him in the game, fine

Elaborate a document

[gritty arrow]

well we need more info senses its still pretty new

[oblique sluice]

don't just ''oh its my fav fli dino so i want it in the game''

[viral creek]

Here are some questions to think about.
What makes him worth the thousands of dollars?
What will differentiate him from quetz, in terms of playstyle. Not really looks.
How might he effect the current and planned roster?

[gritty arrow]

im not relly sure but it needs more love

its a new dino

[oblique sluice]

No it doesn't

[viral creek]

Whenever you are suggesting a new playable, ask yourself those questions. It will make devs much more likely to take your suggestion seriously.

[oblique sluice]

Thats not enough

Gulpy explained it perfectly

[gritty arrow]

its a new flyer so we dont relly know much as we do about the quetzul

[viral creek]

I mean quetzal is planned.

So why add him?

If he looks very similar to quetzal, and is around the same size, is there really a need for it?

[gritty arrow]

they ate mediuim size animails

[viral creek]

Remember, it may be a cool creature, but in the end. Adding creatures to the isle costs lots of time and money.

[gritty arrow]

its also heavyer then the quetzul

so it would have more weight

[viral creek]

But how would it be different in playstyle?

[gritty arrow]

it would be less of a high flyer then the quetzul .

quetzul could mabey have more staim .

[viral creek]

Not sure if that's enough to justify it as an entirely new playable.

[oblique sluice]

Add an unique gameplay

[sage helm]

^

[oblique sluice]

not stats

[viral creek]

But yeah, making new creatures takes a ton of resources, so choose wisely.

[gritty arrow]

well raptors like to eat em so i think there more low to the grownd .

mabey they can also live in colder weather .

[viral creek]

Remember

Playstyle, not stats.

[warm quarry]

Speaking of new dinos, anyone know if they plan to do a fully aquatic environment? If so, a Liploridon would be a good Apex, though a slow grower and hard to feed. Would add risk to going between islands and such, since I heard you can/will be able to do that.

[viral creek]

Imagine wanting liploriodon

And not livyatan

[warm quarry]

I thought they were big guys. I'll do more research. I'm going off of memory of BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs, which may be inaccurate. My apologies.

[oblique sluice]

Np

[viral creek]

WWD is a great series, but not everything is up to date

[oblique sluice]

bbc wwd is cool but waaay outdated

[gritty arrow]

the only one discobved was a juvie so could have been bigger then the quetzul