Make their speed 33, closer to a Rex and the problem goes away
#general-feedback-discussion
stray cloak
minor basalt
Fluff implying that theris wouldn't actively hunt allos
stray cloak
Could even keep their high stam like a scissor handed para
Every sever I've seen with theris that doesn't police then with oppressive amounts of rules usually has them hunting down allos and ceratos
normal fern
^ nerf the speed or mid-tiers go extinct
stray cloak
Pretty much what happens
frosty ridge
@stray current not sure if you noticed, and this isn't anything against your suggestion, but the night sky actually has a "north star". This is in regards to the compass not being reliant on smell.
indigo sun
But dont the clouds cover the star when its raining? Making it just as useless as the compass being apart of scent?
frosty ridge
I've found it in the rain.
I'm not going to say you will always be able to, just know I've found it.
I'm assuming that if they went through the trouble of putting in a north star then the sun probably rises east to west as well.
indigo sun
Wouldnt it make more sense to just.. change the scent a bit so the compass isnt included in it instead of relying on something that isnt very reliable in the first place?
frosty ridge
Again, I said it wasn't against the suggestion more of an fyi to help with navigation.
grave karma
dinosauriac did say compass is a part of scent because it was easy to put it in that way
and scent is "supposed to be getting a complete redo"
lament kayak
@grim oak 🔫
Cerato is weak af already
Its gonna get destroyed by carnos if we reduce the bite force
proud coral
lament kayak
plus carno is already faster than cerato and can pretty much fuck it up as is
barren zephyr
It literally is a dilo killer that can’t kill dilos
proud coral
It explodes when it hears the word "bleed."
lament kayak
dilo can bite once and walk away
grim oak
Ok point taken
craggy scarab
@thorny crater I'd advise you to read the pinned messages in #general-feedback and then remove or modify your entry.
paper oriole
lmao
that suggestion can't be serious
sounds like a bad salty allo main that got merked by a cera
thorn wagon
Someone said to nerf pachy when they couldn’t 1 shot it as a Utah
This shouldn’t be a surprise
stray current
@frosty ridge huh never noticed the north star before...will have to look for it...even if not completely reliable is better than nothing....& I can always hope that with the scent rework maybe compass can be removed from scent & then along with coordinates can maybe be added to static hud instead...that would go along waaay towards navigating in the rain.
paper oriole
#SauropodGang
finite perch
While serpentine motions would sorta aggravate the issue, i do agree that 'longer' sauropods would be interesting to consider. still, it doesnt quite fix the issue of speed just yet, which is another barrier for fun play. It being the diablo of sauropods would be ideal
grim oak
Yeah the speed of sauropods is an issue. I can imagine how hard it is to make them fast enough to enjoy playing them but slow enough to make them realistic.
paper oriole
Any gameplay ideas for alberto in survival? neat detail colour isnt really a reason
blazing charm
@paper oriole
Granted this is somewhat outdated due to the planned mechanic overhauls, but this is something of ours that we focused gameplay on.
paper oriole
o nice
paper oriole
oh look another one of those suggestions
how do people not see how exploitable that shit would be when they make that suggestion lol
sage helm
Their heart is in the right place but their mind is not
paper oriole
the suggestion where bleed applied before opening the log menu delayed the timer was a much better way about it, not this disaster mechanic that would 90% of the time be used by trolls
paper oriole
herrera would fill that spot well enough tbh
grim oak
Did I spell it wrong?
paper oriole
perhaps not as well with the burrow raiding but as the small carni, and he could climb
vestal rune
no X.A.N.A, you spelled it right, but troodon isn't a valid genus anymore lol
paper oriole
no troodon isn't a valid species anymore
we have small dinos in sandbox and in the database who can be used
dakotaraptor, austroraptor, herrerasaurus
blazing charm
Pretty sure Dakotaraptor was scrapped.
vestal rune
I want my otter austro tbh
grim oak
Ok I was just going off of what I read online. They said another genus was scrapped and was replaced with Troodon.
vestal rune
I think they meant that the troodon was attributed to different species
as in the troodon fossils
grim oak
Still new to discord
paper oriole
all good, it's not a very accurate site to use
grim oak
Ok I mis read the article, yes Troodon was debated and was renamed as Stenonychosaurus, and later it was decided to establish it as a neotype.
The decision was questioned because of the geographical range different fossils were found.
Still I though it was a good idea, having another carnivore able to enter burrows.
loud tapir
Why do carni players want to dig out burrows so badly, does it really bother you when there is an animal that you just can't kill easily? 
paper oriole
carnbis already camp burrows lol are they so spiteful to the dryos
it'd be fine if dryos could have multiple burrow entrances to not be completely fucked if something digs the burrow, even if it is a 30min dino its burrow hardly provides safety as is if a pred finds it
vestal rune
@valid flower the reason only rex has bb is because bonebreak is an absolutely awful mechanic, no one wants to have fights purely based on luck. However they are introducing a new bb system(likely with recode) which will also very likely come to more dinos to make combat more interesting
valid flower
i hope so
gritty arrow
they did use to have bonebreak for all dinos so if they give it back to tons is good .
vestal rune
no it wouldn't
'caus back when alot of dinos had bone break combat was absolutely abhorent
it was all fucking luck based
viral creek
Rex only has bonebreak because he relies on it
gritty arrow
but it would nerf rex
viral creek
Bonebreak is being reworked
gritty arrow
yep
tribal widget
@gritty arrow I would love if they added that.
gritty arrow
same
ionic jackal
Oh I love the idea of multiple burrow entrys, and I also only mentioned certain animals to have this ability because it would probably make said animals more interested to play, and these are often the animals that also struggle to get food most of the time from what I have seen. Or atleast for Dilophosaurus I think it's fitting
paper oriole
It's an interesting idea and would be neat, though it's also just another way for carnis to nullify the already questionable usefullness of an herbivore's ability. Herbivores are underplayed as is because carnis are the more interesting faction which is also getting much more features than herbis already. If dryo got some more attention to make up for this threat like a tunnel system with multiple entryways and possibly the option to repair damaged sections it would feel less invalidated. Even though dryo is a low risk dino with its short growth, it shouldnt have its only real unique trait totally neutered in favour of the already (vastly) more played faction
outer nebula
@charred cedar spino isnt balanced for survival
paper oriole
speen is being completely redone
charred cedar
oh thats right i forgot about that
limpid dove
Very interesting idea for para, and its animations haven't been done yet for its noises. Perhaps for the 3 call, it can keep its head shake, but maybe also kick its front legs a little bit, "these are what I have to fight!" Type of animation. That's just me tho @paper oriole
But I like the idea of pars temporarily dazing someone, perhaps the effect can be 3-5 seconds?
Para*
paper oriole
yeah para is in desperate need for those new anims lol
he sounds very cool, but currently that's the best thing about him
limpid dove
Yeah, carno needed those for the longest fuckijg time
paper oriole
hope it gets some tlc
paper oriole
they'll certainly have the opportunity then to think about how to make herbivores more unique and better to play since they've already thought up tons of new stuff for carnis lol
limpid dove
@robust radish pretty sure that with the new sky and lighting system, there are already meteorites and "shooting stars"
I'm excited for it too ngl
barren zephyr
@buoyant tangle all survival dinos can smell and sandbox ones are unfinished. Thats why they arent in survival
umbral prairie
didn't they give sandbox dinos scent at some point though? I can remember a bug where shant scent sounds were played at an extremely high volume and scared the shit out of me
or did they only give it to some dinos
blazing charm
Not all of them have it, haven't tested them all but i've noticed that Theri and Alberto don't seem to have it.
sudden nimbus
Oro and pue don't have it either
grave karma
i think taco does
grave karma
i dont think bary has it
valid flower
@buoyant tangle what are you on about, Dino’s can already smell food and water
vestal rune
I believe some sandbox dinos can't
valid flower
Stego and Alberto can’t sniff
The rest can
And peur but no one rlly cares about it
vestal rune
theri can't
mellow maple
Give them a nose already omg
bright tide
why bother?
grave karma
pue doesnt matter
blazing charm
@real breach Far to exploitable, encourages muti-species cooperation which can really screw up balance. Not to mention lead to unnecessary drama
grave karma
so
real breach
i think
blazing charm
you think?
blazing charm
Also, I suppose if unnoficial server owners wanted what you're asking for (Assuming by the fact you mentioned global that you play on unofficial servers) then I suppose there's no harm in it as it'd be up to server-owner's discretion.
real breach
nah i just think it will be easy to communicate if u can talk to them in local
blazing charm
See, that's where the problems lie
Not sure if you were around for this, but all Herbivores used to be able to communicate with each other freely via local, and it was an absolute nightmare if you wanted to hunt them. You'd just have these super-coordinated groups.
blazing charm
No problem.
valid flower
@vestal rune oh yeah forgot about theri
paper oriole
maybe another thing for that rotten meat disease too is cerato could eat it without having any of the ill side effects since he is a scavenger
mellow maple
Certain dinosaurs could probably be affected less, but when more diets like fish come out. It should prompt animals like Suchomimus and Spinosaurus to feet on fish to avoid getting said infection.
Predators like Tyrannosaurus however seem to have been severely hurt by it. As seen with Sue the Tyrannosaurus. Perhaps another apex killer wouldn't even be a dinosaur, it'd be an infection 👀
exotic dove
If shants can headshot why do rexes break legs on tail bites?
indigo sun
Its not a headshot, its like a double hit or some shit. Locational doesnt exist in the game we have right now, so headshots arent possible, and when locational actually comes rex breaking legs on a tail bite wont happen
nocturne sonnet
more then just rex will have bb then right?
indigo sun
With the bonebreak rework and locational, probably
The only reason nothing else has it is because it's fucked right now and rex relies on it
loud tapir
@bold relic Why would rex have really good eyesight in particular?
bold relic
because scientist said so
loud tapir
If JP taught me anything, they can't see stuff that stands still though, so maybe if dinos just stand still they disappear for rexes.
bold relic
you really trusting jp??
loud tapir
yes
bold relic
ok i dont but thats ok
thats why its difficult to make a dino game that satifies everyone
bold relic
rexes are basically good at everything but running
valid flower
Rex should always be sneaky
An ambush predator
Not a athlete runner
That can chase down a giga without ambush lmfao
bold relic
the rex in jp ran up to 50 miles an hour i think
bold relic
it kept up with the jeep pretty well
valid flower
Jp is inaccurate af, it’s just a movie
loud tapir
In JP the t rex had to bite 2 times to kill a gallimimus, so I think rex should be a lot weaker tbh.
so it can match that
valid flower
Again, jp is just a movie
it’s not a game
changing that will ruin the game
no point
loud tapir
the game is based off the movie
mental sleet
Your logic still sucks Tratzer
valid flower
2 shots to kill a Galli when the galli is faster with better turn radius? No ty
Ruins the balance of the game
bold relic
the first bite was to bring it down the second was the final bite
loud tapir
yeah so one was bonebreak, the other one killed it
bold relic
not really
valid flower
@bold relic Yeah with killing animations
normal fern
@loud tapir are you trolling?
bold relic
i hope so
long heath
iirc they said the T.rex was clocked in at 30 mph but that's offtopic.
bold relic
ok was abit ago since i watched the movie
paper oriole
1 ton sauropod sounds like nothin but free food lol
inner valley
isn't all ai technically free food? pff
paper oriole
Yeah but the current free food ai is pretty puny, any large ai should at least be a good challenge elsewise it'll inflate the apex pop even more
Magyarosaurus looks like a pizza delivery deal to sub apexes
calm sphinx
If it fought back that would be awesome! Add a lot more fun to hunting
paper oriole
I was considering that, but it looks pretty defenseless against most things
Ai in future will fight back, but magy doesn't really have any defensive capability
inner valley
what would be really cool is if ai came in herds/packs
and the more they have, the more confident they are to fight back
vestal rune
@calm sphinx what do you mean hyena doesn't suit such a large carnivore? he's medium sized in the ecosystem(maybe even small) just like hyenas are
the problem with cerato is not that he's a hyena, it's that he's NOT a hyena, as in his stats don't fill his function
calm sphinx
I don’t know you’d think that role would fall to Utah’s instead of ceratos which with a bit buffing could be a bit of a sidegrade of an allo instead of just a strait downgrade
Trade off for bleed for damage and or stam and speed
hexed salmon
@calm sphinx ceratos pretty small pred if we compare it to allo Cerato were approximately 1 ton mass
@calm sphinx in Isle it still pretty buffed same as dillo with huge bleed dmg
grave karma
upper weight estimate for cerato is 1 tonne iirc
craggy scarab
@pale kite When making suggestions about changes to dinosaurs, please elaborate on what specifically should be changed and why (Saying it is OP doesn't count).
paper oriole
i don't think such a replacement is necessary, theri is already a great dino
as an addition though maybe, if it has a unique niche in mind
paper oriole
rexes current bonebreak is only temporary, bonebreak is getting a rework after recode
so it wont break your leg with a rando ass bite
compact coyote
i would personally love a gigantoraptor tbh
tender rampart
Same here ^
mellow maple
^^^^^
When that feather system eventually comes out. I hope we got more maniraptorans as a result.
Way down the line though
grave karma
why
what would it bring
@thorny lynx literally
bite in their direction while looking at them
paper oriole
Just variety pretty much, unless somebody has some idea
grave karma
im talking moreso what would make it different and why to add it
molten skiff
Yea more calls would be nice
neon tide
@barren zephyr There is a video on youtube from JP but all dino sounds are replaced by Gordon Ramsay shouting RAW
oblique dust
gigantoraptor would be cool from an aesthetic standpoint like theri, in that it's so fucking weird and different from most other herbivore dinos out there
but... what would it do?
maybe replace theri's apex/pseudo-apex speed niche, but does significantly less damage as a result?
also, if it was made apex, it'd probably be the only apex that could actually leap/jump
coarse shell
@torn socket wait for them to finish the recode
indigo sun
I'm assuming he doesnt know what the recode is if he's saying this
Let me find the "rebuilding the entire game" thing
Yeah
Theyre doing their best
coarse shell
incoming complaints
indigo sun
They cant make any small updates because anything added needs to be with the new code, which isnt finished
Not salt, most people who say that arent aware of what the recode actually entails
torn socket
I'm well aware of the recode, Strike, but thankyou none the less for your mature and informative response. I suppose I'll hang on for the time being.
indigo sun
I find it's best to just ignore the game for the most part while this is going on. Playing other things helps pass the time a lot
tender rampart
Hm. “We rebuilt the game” implies they’re already done with it or done with most of it. If so, it would be extremely nice to have an ETA. We’ve been in the dark for too long
craggy scarab
They don't give ETAs, no matter how much it is asked.
tender rampart
They did back when the recode was first announced. They said it would take a few months, that was an ETA.
indigo sun
Not really, it was more of a hope. "We hope it wont take too long" basically
ETA is more like "it'll be done in 3 months" or some shit
And a few can mean like, anything from 3 months to 9 or somethin
tender rampart
A few months also classifies as an ETA. They’re still giving a time frame.
indigo sun
Regardless of whatever "a few months" means, they wont give another one
tender rampart
That’s a bad move IMO. Especially after their “we’ll be more transparent than ever before” statement in their announcement
indigo sun
Ah ive got a few screenshots for you
Heres one
I gotta dig for the other
Here
And they're working on updating us on what's going on, but they'd like to make sure it's working and done before they show it off
I can get a screenshot of that info too
If youd like
tender rampart
I believe the same can be said when you keep a whole community in the dark. If something breaks they can just issue a delay announcement that’s all, really
indigo sun
I feel like people would just get reallt pissy, like they did when anth was a complete dipshit with the 'might come in 3 days' thing
tender rampart
People are gonna be pissy no matter what, but I think the way to please the most amount of people is to at least give them something to look out for. The way they’re keeping everyone out of the loop is worse than giving an ETA imo.
Cause people will lose interest and trust in the devs, it’s happening everyday now
indigo sun
We all know theyre gonna come flocking back to the isle once it updates
tender rampart
Also putting more bits of info out there can help out the devs too, there’s a lot of bad criticism out there but there’s also good constructive things that people say about a project. A good example of this is what happened with the new live action Sonic movie. They put out a trailer for the movie and everyone didn’t like sonic’s design, so the creators decided to delay the movie and re-design sonic before release
Something like this could happen here as well, if we had a more open relation between the devs and the players
indigo sun
I mean, they talk quite a bit
tender rampart
I mean in terms of them putting out info on their upcoming projects
brittle merlin
I 100% agree with rowgue here... doesn't need to be an ETA but simple showcases and updates on the progress would be amazing... especially compared to never telling us anything other than very vague stuff on the streams that very few of community watch
wintry cipher
https://clips.twitch.tv/WonderfulArbitraryRatDuDudu
Well here's less telling, more showing.
blazing charm
vestal rune
@languid meadow it is
it may not be obvious though since if you're growing your max thirst goes up making it look like you're losing thirst
languid meadow
Is it negated or does it just drop it lower?
vestal rune
negated
mellow maple
I actually like the Deinocheirus suggestion because it deserves more recognition.
coelurosaurs as a whole do.
viral creek
I like the idea of deino in the game
But I don't think that's how he should be played.
mellow maple
Oh the playstyle?
viral creek
I don't want to see him eating other dinosaurs.
viral creek
I'd like to see a semiaquatic omnivore, wading around and eating fish/aquatic plants.
No dino meat
mellow maple
I should make my Borealopelta suggestion again. But describing its whole move set. KEK
jovial moss
I've suggested semiaquatic deinocheirus before, everyone seemed to like it
compact coyote
only omnivore id like to see added is gigantoraptor
paper oriole
Looking at deinocheirus' jaw i doubt he'd have an easy time ripping chunks off an allosaurus to eat it.
It, galli, and theri could prey on small animals (fish, juvies, small AI) they can swallow whole like birds typically do
And eggs
compact coyote
^
thats what im thinking this will be too, mainly just stuff they can swallow whole or break open, eggs fish and prehaps even hatchlings
valid elk
Anyone wanna discuss my idea?
craggy scarab
@wild rose Can you elaborate on why that change? Just saying to change something doesn't help the developers nor anyone that can discuss it. 🙂
wild rose
Well, the current carno does not have any speed boosts due to it already being so fast however it has that delayed start up. Basically what I'm trying to say is maybe give dinos with slow start ups a boost in start up only in crouch.
ex:if a dino has a 2 second delayed start it could be 1 second when crouched and it could be a new boost thing
bright tide
Wouldn't they be better off with a faster transition to full sprint since trying to launch themselves out of crouch would actually be kinda awkward?
Least it seems it would be with a tail that stiff
agile whale
That would still make them "ambushing" useless since they don't gain a speed boost from it
wild rose
but it would give it a faster start up speed when hunting or when being chased
agile whale
While I think that Kudric's idea is actually a good one, I don't really think that carno needs it as it can still chase down anything it wants to with that kind of speed
bright tide
Yeah, it would be more like a buff to its dodge skills while being hunted because then preds do their crouch dances at each other
"Imma get you with my ambush" "lol, nope, I can go from no speed to max speed in a blink of an eye and I don't get any kind of accelerated stam drain"
agile whale
Yeah. Like it's not a terrible idea, it's actually something unique to do since it does lack an ambush, but Carno is probably the last dino that needs it. If it was hunting something, it could just as easily back up and then get a running start at it through the bushes, and if they were able to use it to get a better start on something that was chasing them, then they'd be better off just running instead of priming their ambush
valid elk
No one have a different view on the feather idea?
bright tide
The only thing that would be an issue with your idea is just how damn long it would take to make the animations
Otherwise the only hitch in feathers dinos is if any dinos outside of austro and theri actually get them
valid elk
Hmm...true
hasty parcel
@grim oak It doesnt exist anymore
unborn quail
Ah shit here we go again
viral creek
@grim oak
- The developer team already confirmed that there will be no playable animals that are smaller than dryosaurus
- I can agree with them on this take, it's not very fun playing something who's only prey item are really small juveniles or AI. Sure, you could pack hunt to find larger juveniles, but is anybody else really going to play as that thing? Just like velociraptor, troodon will be one of those creatures that sounds good on paper, but when it is released, it will do nothing but collect dust.
3.Troodon not being a real dinosaur was a pretty recent discovery, more recent than 2014.
hasty parcel
Got split into two different dinosaurs iirc
unborn quail
Correct, Last year iirc
grim oak
I did not know this I apologize
viral creek
It's okay.
I'm more concerned about nobody actually playing it than accuracy.
Don't want to waste several thousand dollars on an animal that will just collect dust.
grim oak
I mentioned it would be around the same size as a dryo
However I will just drop the idea
Thanks for the feedback
viral creek
Ok
Pretty sure troodon is a good deal smaller than dryo, but again. Things can be upscaled for gameplay sake
grim oak
I watch a documentary where there was a variety found in Alaska that was large enough to take down juvenile hadrosaurs
The documentary was called dinosaur planet I think
It was a series
viral creek
Troodon itself isn't a good idea, but you could defs suggest one of the dinosaurs it was split into. Latenivenatrix
He's a lot closer to dryo size than the other dude
grim oak
Ok thanks
viral creek
formal vine
Oh thats good
paper crag
i would love to see the dinos sounds be looked at again like the F on a rex should be the rumble sound they say it should have sounded like. this would make since where the apexes could communicate while hunting and being quieter than the current F call but the 1 and 3 call should be really loud
blazing charm
I believe the F calls range are going to be worked, so they're less likely to give you away from a far distance and the other calls such as the broadcast and threaten are going to be louder.
craggy scarab
I think dinosauriac said it would only be 20 meters or so
paper crag
still think the low rumble sound would be cool, someting like that hunting you at night with some ambient sounds would be cool
vestal rune
@grim oak what do you mean it can't be fixed? they're planning on adding utah pounce, they've always wanted that. Also the game is getting recoded, so even if it was impossible in the past it'll be possible now
grim oak
Someone told me the mechanics were not working properly and the idea was to be scrapped because of this
viral creek
The idea wasn't scrapped, the mechanic was removed
viral creek
They'll be adding a reworked pounce later on.
vestal rune
it was removed to be remade in the future
grim oak
Ok I just thought because of how long ago this was (at least when I last heard of it) I would introduce an idea to help simplify the problem.
indigo sun
The problem was the code was fucked to shit spaghetti and now that it works, pounce can come back post-recode
thorn wagon
Tbh I think all the different emojis really help say exactly how people feel
for example means it’s laughable
sage helm
^
indigo sun
is for "the fuck are you talking about?"
indigo sun
"❤" is "i love the suggestion
and
sage helm
indigo sun
📌 means people like it significantly so it should be pinned
thorn wagon
The timer means wait for it
indigo sun
❓ is more just "give an explanation" or confusion than " are you on drugs"
And yeah, a clock means it was planned and doesnt need to be suggested
viral creek
@barren zephyr
A list of common emotes and what they mean. (Excluding the obvious ones, like the heart emotes and thumbsup/down emotes.
- These both mean that they love it.
📌 - This is a great suggestion and should be pinned
- A really weird way of saying that they like your suggestion.
- Means maybe, or they are calling your suggestion smart.
- What even is this suggestion
- This suggestion is either genuinely funny, or so bad that it's laughable
- I hate it
- Cringe Suggestion
⏲ - Your suggestion is already planned, wait.
❓ - What do you mean? Or asking for further explanation.
- NO BAD
- A dissapointment
- If somebody reacts with this on your "Add X dino suggestion" They're basically saying that the dino you want is useless and shouldn't be added.
👌 - Good
- The suggestion we all needed
💩 - Your suggestion is shit.
sage helm
Lol I think we all knew that last one
gusty gyro
You forgot the ✅ - must be added!
viral creek
Didn't include that one because they mentioned that in their suggestion
gusty gyro
What about the ❌
viral creek
Also in their suggestion
gusty gyro
Okay okay
limpid dove
Let alone I dont think that there's a way to restrict certain emotes. Of course, staff can remove/clear emotes but to prevent certain ones from being used...no.
I've got two shit emojis on my water suggestion and I want to know why. Yall both want some boring ass water to stay in the game? You dont wanna see some really super pretty reflections? Or is my game quality too low to even render such a thing.
Actually, I know why the one is on there, cause a dude couldn't take no for an answer. But why is all I ask.
bright tide
The most likely answer is probably because people would rather see the devs focus on getting core stuff into the game before polishing quality of life stuff which ultimately wouldn't add much to the game
For one thing, not all water sources will provide reflections
So adding that type of code would a be a lot of work for, like, four water zones that could actually provide a reflection
people most likely wouldn't take the time to notice either
neon tide
1 more to poop, I don't want the game to consume more resources from my machine and end up being in a situation where I'm in a disatvantage because of lower graphics
However would be nice to be able to see an attacking quetz in the water reflection
barren zephyr
Aesthetics, however nice they may be, can wait for sure.
thorn wagon
#PorcupineKentro
barren zephyr
I want Anky to flatten itself against the ground when trying to protect itself, to keep itself from getting rolled over or having it's more sensitive areas nommed
sage helm
that would just make it harder to hit things with the club and its already low to the ground
barren zephyr
Yeah but it wouldn't take much damage anyway because of the outer shell, plus there's always that quick get up technique lol
paper oriole
- since when does taco ai use its burrows?
- you can't hunt a taco? lol
i'm guessing english isn't your first language because i probably didnt even read that right
sacred island
when are we going to get more Dinos we can play as? Not Dinos the devs or admins on servers can dole out here and there as they see fit. But Dinos all the peeps can play with.
edgy furnace
Oh no a poop suggestion
steel coyote
Oh yes a poop suggestion!
edgy furnace
barren zephyr
Why
paper oriole
Why tf do people want shit in this game lmao
craggy scarab
@modern frost discussion or troll suggestions are not allowed and can result in a strike. Take this as your warning.
@echo mauve please read the pinned messages in #general-feedback and modify or remove your post. You need to explain why that change makes sense for Utah outside of it has bad night vision.
umbral prairie
@bright hull Iirc the Isle once had mac support, however they stopped it because it slowed down development too much (Not quite sure anymore). Maybe it will return when the game is finished, or in a more complete state, but I don't think that will happen anytime soon
bright hull
K I’ll wait until then
barren zephyr
Mac users could aslo see people hidden in bushes and forests, apparently, which kinda ruinned the experience
ebon trout
So can PC people on lower settings lol
barren zephyr
it was worse than that
ebon trout
It is pretty bad on low settings
craggy scarab
@dusty grail I’m not sure about bugs but more AI is planned.
ebon trout
It would be cool to get dynamic AI, instead of just more of it
last meadow
Dynamic? wdym?
ebon trout
For starters a system that doesn't just magically drop in screaming ai behind your character when your hungry. There are lots of ways to make the AI more dynamic. Are you asking for a example or are you asking how I would do it?
craggy scarab
Fos mentioned AI will spawn in certain areas pertaining to their preferred biome instead of on players
ebon trout
Yeah that would be a great start
craggy scarab
Not sure if they will be in small herds or anything like that but you’ll have to hunt for them in the future
ebon trout
That would be cool
craggy scarab
@nocturne sonnet you need to state what role it plays that existing herbivores don’t meet.
See pinned messages
craggy scarab
Example: doesn’t a Shant fill that role currently? Most avoid except apexes and is a large herbivore
nocturne sonnet
well but shant is just op as hell but i get what you mean
craggy scarab
Yeah regardless of current balance, you are trying to explain and justify what makes it unique enough, and it’s gameplay unique to warrant the time/money/effort on implementing it. 🙂
nocturne sonnet
well it has a unique fighting style
craggy scarab
No need to explain to me. I’m just pointing out that “Add x Dino” suggestions have a higher standard. The more detail is put in and thought, more likely it could be considered. It needs more then a stab vs headbutt attack difference. I’ll let others further discuss it with my comments in mind. They may be able to help you further refine it. Just trying to help 👍
mellow maple
Iguanodon would be perfect.
loud tapir
Idk we already have para, maia and dibble as the sort of "big" herbivores, it feels like a mix between para and dibble in that sense with the abilities
Also please no more "bad bleed heal" herbivores, its literally every herbivore at this point.
sage helm
Honestly I think if we didnt have maia we could have had iguanodon
nocturne sonnet
well iguanodon is still bae but in the case of para iguanodon is differnet in many ways para is a runner igu is a fighter , para is weak nad has bad speed for a runner, but in the case of the igu other herbs are just slice or kick and stab with horns so igu would have in my eyes a new fight system
nocturne sonnet
same we would have a fighter if we compare para to it or dibble its just way better and 3 carnis are comming and one herb(deino,ptera,spino vs stego)
native vault
yeah.
I'm mainly a carni player but I think we need more herbies, the isle is carni biased and i dont like that.
nocturne sonnet
well and carnis get magna and hypo so herbs will be not played
nocturne sonnet
not ruin but then herbs are again way back there where nobody will ever go
vestal rune
how many times does it have to be said that adding more herbis won't do shit for increasing herbi numbers
actually making herbi gameplay unique, fun and interesting would increase numbers
craggy scarab
Diets and affinity will go a long way with that
loud tapir
Although having more than 1 apex herbi would be good though 😄
neat flicker
@bright hull The Isle is a very intensive game; MAC's are not gaming computers nor are they meant to be, so the probability of a MAC being able to handle the isle is almost a definite no
barren zephyr
^ support was dropped a long time ago.
polar juniper
@bright hull If you really wanted to though, you could just download Windows 10 through Bootcamp and play the Isle from there.
tawdry sigil
@solid valley so.. a few things. First of all , prey isn't dumb. it's not gonna go out of a burrow after hearing a predator 1 call. Second of all .. ai tacos don't go in burrows. And , if you are that big of a carni, why would you go for a taco when it gives you most likely 5% food. Makes no sense. Please help me understand lol.
grave karma
people need something to complain about
paper oriole
If a big carni player is relying on tacos (and can't even hunt that apparently??) they chose the wrong dino lmao
grave karma
rex's walk is like faster than tacos run
paper oriole
Pretty much everything is faster than tacos run lmao
grave karma
even tacos walk?
languid meadow
tbh, a taco can take a few tries to hit as an adult apex.
Also, apparently, you can't bite something on your toes.
tawdry sigil
exactly lmfao , if you really need to rely on a taco then you should play a diff dino
an easier dino
sage helm
@mild token you wont have to worry about that for long because alt turn will be forced eventually
and the devs dont make the game based on the unofficial servers either
bright tide
That isn't even the reason not to worry. There are going to be new combat influencing mechanics coming either with or after the recode that will make combat more than just assriding and turn abuse
sage helm
ah true
mild token
@sage helm unofficial servers or not, not everyone use alt turn in fights.
sage helm
thats an issue to do with your playstyle then not the dinos turn
mild token
not playstyle
sage helm
wdym then
mild token
the turn is too slow on this dino
mild token
and I'm feeling it's related to that it walks slow on land
mild token
have you ever played as a juvie sucho?
mild token
facing others that got a much better turn and you don't have alt turn?
sage helm
Thats why alt turn is a thing
sage helm
combat is broken without alt turn
thats why alt turn exists
Without alt turn I solo rexes as a utah
grave karma
play on a server with alt turn enabled
valid elk
Anyone wanna talk about my Deinosuchus idea?
lament kayak
no
valid elk
Okay then
radiant pasture
Honestly long grow times are the worst part of this game
bright tide
they are only the worst part because the game play isn't that engaging right now as a non-adult dino
It is primarily bush life or getting slurped up like a noodle because for whatever reason you were found and eaten
jovial arch
@brisk mesa for the lay down idea couldn’t you just make it so that you’d have to actively hold the button down to lay down instead of a toggle? I think that’d fix the whole afk thing. There’s no big drawback that I can think of either. Maybe I’m missing something though. Maybe also the ability to stand up into crouch.
abstract sleet
@jovial arch not gonna lie, I would just put a heavy object on my keyboard to hold down that single key haha.
barren zephyr
^
Exactly what I was doing to bypass GTA V afk kick when I needed to afk
or they could use macro that would send a looped holding x button input
@pseudo falcon good suggestion. Agree with you in all points
lilac swallow
I highly prefer the size you gave there to cama over current one, while i would prefer real sized this, at least would be the biggest in survival not just the trike with long neck which right now @pseudo falcon
pseudo falcon
I actually just took scott hartmans size reference and used photoshop to make the meter lines the same size
And yeah, glad we could agree.
paper oriole
#SauropodGang
barren zephyr
@somber wraith I’m sure once recode is done, they’ll show what dinosaur is nesting you. As for picking your skins, you won’t be able to do that when nested in. but instead, you will get your skin colours from both parents.
somber wraith
Yeah good point @barren zephyr it would make more since to get the colors from the parents too
loud tapir
Ladner with what you posted, I dislike it because people wouldn't feel attached to the dinos they played on that server if they could just easily change to fit whatever group you are joining.
mellow maple
@neat mist I actually like ur suggestion
It'd make Tyrannosaurus quieter
and make my life easier tbh. Because I wouldn't be so fucking loud lmao
mellow maple
that too 
thorn wagon
But also, big no to the saving dinos suggestion
craggy scarab
Easier for alt-abuse
thorn wagon
That’s the entire reason family sharing was disabled, yeah
umbral prairie
I think multiple dino-slots per server are an ok idea as long as there is a significant timer between logging or dying and switching slots
so you can't use it to revenge kill or lure people to where you logged your apex slot
craggy scarab
Even if the timer was 5 minutes that’s still enough to abuse
umbral prairie
maybe the time you need to switch to another slot increases with the size of the dino, so you can switch to juvies or dryos in 5 minutes but need 1 or 2 hours for an apex slot
loud tapir
Still. Get group invite, ask where they are, log apex alt and go and kill a pack alone.
normal fern
@manic ibex
A-fucking-men
loud tapir
Yeah no more dino suggestions, then I get to see what could have been and 
blazing charm
I feel like creature suggestions are fine as long as they are thought out and aren't there for the sake of "I like X so it should be in the game."
viral creek
Well thought out as in, an explanation on why it should be in the game, and how they will balance it without it being a balance mess. + neiche
wheat igloo
^
sage helm
Where is the list of planned dinosaurs
echo bridge
Good creature suggestions are nice to look at
sage helm
^
nocturne sonnet
i could scream we cant even have a suggestion that would be interesting 🙄 its just for fun
well what should we suggest its a dino game!
ashen elm
I mean Dondi said they were making more dinos not too long ago. Acro getting rework, etc...
If that comment was a ref to my post.
echo bridge
Well most of the times it can be fun to brainstorm about, but other times the suggestions that are bare bones "add x dino because I like it" suggestions are annoying to see 3/5 creature suggestions
nocturne sonnet
yeah but its a dino game and they dont need to make them its just poeple would like if they would be in the game
echo bridge
🤷
It's just more valuable for dev time to get more thought out suggestions, but that's just me
ashen elm
I think block pretty much covered that by saying it needs to be deeper than "i like it" but nothing about not having dino suggestions.
echo bridge
Ye p much
elfin oyster
@timid oar That is extremely similar to the halo 4 Flood form
indigo sun
I'd prefer those weird things stannable has as a profile picture
sage helm
Yea honestly
valid elk
Cannibals are supposed to be glass cannons
Making them armored will kinda defeat the agility aspect of it
elfin oyster
Nobody said anything about armour?
indigo sun
They were saying that the face looks thhe same i'm pretty sure
grave karma
small sauropods are apex chow and large sauropods are invincible
elfin oyster
The halo 4 flood isnt a suggestion, i was saying how the top pic looked like the 2nd one face wise. I thought that was obvious
vestal rune
@fringe badge already a thing
fringe badge
limpid dove
@valid flower that's not even a suggestion. For starters, pinned messages. Secondly, we need more context.. lol
valid flower
ye ik i got so triggered on losing a face tank battle against a rex when I was a trike
trike would demolish a rex within seconds if a rex facetanks it
limpid dove
That'll be fixed with locational damage.
limpid dove
Probably. I personally believe that if a rex goes face first to a trikes horns, itll be met with the gates of dino heaven immediately lol
valid flower
exactly ye
brittle ivy
Please resubmit your suggestion by adhering to the guidance pinned in the #general-feedback channel @valid flower
indigo sun
@valid flower mini updates arent possible... like.. at all. They need to take the time to rebuild the code, not add extra shit to old code that would only waste a ton of time and give them even more work on top of remaking 4 years of code. Just. Play. Something. Else.
I haven't played the isle in 4 months and i have no issue waiting for the recode because i'm not burning myself out playing it constantly.
Like, this shit isnt just some huge update theyre spending lots of time on
They need to put as much time as possible into making sure this turns out well, if they're rebuilding the game.
Not to mention they're probably getting rid of the shit code as they replace it. So i doubt they have any of the complete and utter garbage that deathlyfuck left in his wake
bright tide
@fringe badge It already does that
crisp cedar
notice he says rebuilt not rebuilding
subtle freudian hints hmmm? maybeee? hmmmmmmm?
ashen elm
Eh, there is definitely a middle-ground with sauropods. You have two really big apexes who lived with large sauropods during their time (Gigantosaurus-Andesaurus, Tyrannosaurus-Alamosaurus). They might not have hunted the adults, but juveniles were probably fair and preferred meals. Getting to adult sauropod should be as hard or harder than apex growth time(s).
And there are ton of sauropods that only got to reasonable mid tier sizes. Even just ignoring the two suggested, off the top of my head; Ampelosaurus (52ft), Isisaurus (59ft), Rapetosaurus (49ft), Zhuchengtitan (59ft), etc... there are so many species to choose from, you just gotta look.
It really just depend(s) on how big the developers want them to get and why. Both BoB (Apato) and Path of Titans (Amargasaurus) are going to make sauropods work in their games, there's little reason why the Isle can't too.
valid elk
So, anyone against my "small animals/ai resting on Deinosuchus" idea?
Or...anyone wanna discuss it?
lament kayak
@valid elk so far no one is against it
lament kayak
They probably think its fine as is
valid elk
I gotcha
sudden nimbus
Maia can just outrun cera so
umbral prairie
also cera takes like an hour longer to grow
so why tf should maia fight it
plus yeah it can just run away
twin shoal
Whats the point in having rules if the Admins are only active for .5% of the day to enforce them
normal fern
@nocturne sonnet why are you fighting a cerato when it can't even catch you In ambush.
At some point the devs have to stop making balance decisions off of the mistakes of stupid people
It's called natural selection
blazing charm
@dusty grail How would Purussaurus be any different from Deinosuchus?
dusty grail
Would be larger with a greater biteforce, also has a pretty unique anatomy from what I've gathered, might be a good sub aquatic competition to the Deino. ;; But ofc I'd get why the idea would be turned down.
neat flicker
Please follow the guidelines posted in the pinned messages of the #general-feedback tab as posts that include "Add x dino" without any explanation of mechanics or anything else other than "because of bite force" aren't permissible.
dusty grail
oh, sorry~
knotty tangle
I would be satisfied with just skin/model options tbh.
Like selecting Triceratops, and you can pick Triceratops or Styracosaurus appearance. That would save mechanics at least. But some people will probably not be satisfied with that.
blazing charm
Uh, Styrac is way smaller than Triceratops, isn't it?
If anything, it'd probably be a Diablo skin, but even then there's the issue regarding hitboxes for the horns.
knotty tangle
Is it? Oh, nevermind then. I thought it was the same size. Bad example I guess.
umbral prairie
I think reskins won't happen until the game is finished
mellow maple
Diablo and Styraco can share the same slot anyway tbh
They're both centrosaurines. It works 😉
bright tide
@thorny lynx the difference between maia/para and horses is the anatomy itself. At best it would only be able to perform a limited kick with one back leg
grave karma
thats not really a good comparison
bright tide
Otherwise a double barrel kick wouldn't get high off the ground, nor would its legs even be able to extend far enough back to clear its own tail
grave karma
completely different animals
limpid dove
Still pretty relevant, but, yeah. Maias and paras have MUCH larger back legs because that's what they use to run, not their front. Maybe a kick with the back leg would be really cool, and could potentially do some serious damage or kill the opponent, but consumes a lot of energy.
bright tide
The main issue is that it would be a very small attack range
limpid dove
Like, from a maia to a Utah, it should either bring that Utah to immediate crit or pretty much kill it, depending on the force. If it gets whacked in the head, that's gonna fucking suck.
bright tide
Like, they would only kick small things or kick something that is toppled
limpid dove
Same with para vs allo
I would say it consumes about 15% of your stamina, maybe even 20%
bright tide
Nah, it wouldn't consume much stam
If anything the hazard would be unbalance
which if we get a topple system then that would be a risky move
Otherwise it wouldn't take much energy at all to kick at something
Especially not with the limited range the move would have
barren zephyr
@blissful flame Put that into #401481402782056460 then
suggestions is for suggestions
craggy scarab
@dull kayak the developers announce their stream in #announcements
indigo sun
The only one who doesnt announce stuff is foszor
dull kayak
barren zephyr
@dull kayak If you ask in #401464048610312195 , most of the time someone will have few clips on standby and gladly link them
indigo sun
@brittle merlin The isle does not use hitboxes currently. It uses physics collision which has a ton of issues when combined with latency. It's a bug, not a feature.
unborn quail
@brittle merlin It'll be resolved once the recode is done.
pseudo falcon
@thorny lynx The problem with your suggestion is you compared hadrosaurs to a horse. The front limbs of maia and para are not built to sustain the full weight of their body, unlike a horse who's front and back limbs are more equally muscular. Say they are strong enough to hold themselves on just their front limbs, they're way too short. It would be about as effective as a human with short arms trying to perform something similar.
neat flicker
If you don't want friend requests; then disable friend requests in your steam settings..
outer nebula
@full moon the ava and oro are not suitable for survival they are to small and too weak, it wont be a fun experience for the player. Anything smaller then a dryo probably will not be able to survive
vestal rune
also how would a kick from a maia do any damage anyway? it's not like a horse with a hard material over a small area, maia's feet are really large with padding to support their weight. At most you'd be able to push something back
sacred wyvern
wow my suggestion did well
wicked fossil
@vestal rune with enough force and speed, anything can hurt. Physics and such
barren zephyr
@frank thicket AI is being reworked to not spawn around hungry carnivores anymore. So just bush camping wont be an option for carnies anymore
outer nebula
or herbivores using it to find carnivores
frank thicket
Right, but while it's being reworked it would be nice to have a simple on/off solution. We aren't fully sure how it's being reworked either, so the option is just nice to have even in the recode.
indigo sun
i mean, we got a pretty good idea, it wont spawn around carnivores but instead in specific biomes the ai prefers, it's also supposed to act more like a player instead of a dumbass
pulsar lake
I think @frank thicket than for the moment delete AI is and isn't a good idea because juvi carnis are hungry frequently and when a server if full of adult herbs it's extremely hard but it can make players play more herbs and give a good price to people who succeed to grow a carnis.
So the best solution is to wait the new AI spawn system I think.
PS : I'm a player of your server with ripster and it's a very good experience.
long heath
@pulsar lake You realize he's only asking for the OPTION to disable AI right? Not remove it?
mellow maple
Honestly, I feel like the option is nice
pulsar lake
The thing is than if a server have almost only adult herbs and you are almost all juvenile you will not be able to hunt something.
It's like the progression before with old flowers point and you were able to have a trike in 30 minutes of game and all carnis are only austro or Utah.
If people nest more as carnis it could work
I know and I agree but when you think it's not trully a good idea, it's just the food value and the AI spawn system who are shitty.
long heath
Would keep carnivore numbers lower and encourage more ecosystem diversity.
Instead of "Hurr hurr I grow Rex"
pulsar lake
The option is nice but food value and hunger should be rework
umbral prairie
will be
pulsar lake
Like you're less hungry as all carnivore
umbral prairie
probably not in that way
pulsar lake
Or the duration is slower
umbral prairie
if anything, playing carnivore will become harder and more challenging
long heath
What I do when I can't seem to find AI is follow a herd until something big tries to kill them all.
Then I eat the aftermath.
violet magnet
"less hungry as all carnivore"
and u think the apex overpopulation is a problem now?
pulsar lake
But I say about the realist server, where Lanius is an admin, so a Rex can't kill for example a pack of 3 allo if one die and other get back.
long heath
Realism servers aren't an accurate representative of gameplay.
pulsar lake
Apex hunger as adult are good
But during the grow
Like juvi
It's like 20 minutes for a juvi rex and less for giga
sage helm
If the game was meant to be all realism servers then it wouldnt be at all like it is now
violet magnet
thins out apex numbers if they get hungrier as juvies
sage helm
the isle is supposed to be unrealistic
violet magnet
yep
sage helm
its a horror survival sci fi
pulsar lake
Ik
long heath
A fresh adult Giga murdered a herd of 16+ a couple days ago, the sub trikes and a few dryos were the only survivors.
ONE Giga.
pulsar lake
As a The Isle/Official players I'm for but for Realistic server I have some doubt
sage helm
how?
long heath
Not enough Diablos to go around.
sage helm
lol
long heath
Plus Giga is obscenely strong.
sage helm
true
pulsar lake
Actually, Lanius is not really thinking about officials.
sage helm
exactly
long heath
Eight full adult Paras and the Giga manages to heal all the kicks they landed in 3 minutes...
Anyway if an option to disable AI prevents that kind of shit, I'm all for that.
frank thicket
More for unofficial servers to have the option to switch it on or off whenever they please
The boolean line is already there in the .ini, it just needs to work
long heath
It's way too common I see little apexes hiding in bushes and only running to water every now and then.
Don't have to care about food since the game literally spoonfeeds them.
frank thicket
Mhm
long heath
Then they get angry when I kill them lol
pulsar lake
It's why AI spawn will be reworked and food value too
violet magnet
yesplz
it'd at least force player interaction instead of somebody hiding in the mountains growing a pack of gigas
long heath
See, thing is AI will have spawning areas in certain parts of the map.
violet magnet
that's.....eeeehhhh
long heath
But what's stopping carnivores from just sitting there as well.
violet magnet
^
pulsar lake
I don't understand, as non realistic game, why an oro of 25kg give like 7% or 9% to an adult rex or giga
They should feed them less
long heath
Yeah there might not be water near those spawns but uh.
You can literally just walk and come back easy.
mental sleet
that's fine Shiina, because if as an apex you have to go deep into a thick forest to hunt oros/tacos
you won't have a good time
pulsar lake
AI should spawn per biomes
long heath
It won't just be Oros/Tacos.
violet magnet
adults can just camp the ai spawns and kill any juvies that come by
pulsar lake
And have some intelligence
frank thicket
Unless we've actually played with the reworked AI, we don't actually know how balanced the regional ai spawns are even if they feed less. Still nicer to have an option to turn it off instead of having very high pockets of carnivore populations camping ai spawns
long heath
Psittaco and Oro need to be faster change my mind.
mental sleet
Juvi Utah
frank thicket
This may not be the case, but again, on or off would fix this if a server doesn't want ai
mental sleet
Juvi Giga
pulsar lake
Like Psitta could dig, Ava fight back, Velo attack gang and destroy nest and Oro need to be faster*
long heath
Little Utahs shouldn't be attempting to kill things bigger than themselves.
long heath
The fact that a fresh spawn Utah kills an Oro which is bigger than it.
In one bite.
It's dumb.
Nah Oro is a little bit bigger than Taco.
mental sleet
Well yeah it's dumber if you die automaticly as a juvi utah because you can't catch those prey items.
But y know.
frank thicket
Survival of the fittest
pulsar lake
Juvi utah, as fresh spawn, shouldn't be able to fight
long heath
Just try again and hope you get lucky.
pulsar lake
Only run
mental sleet
Shiina you don't get it, if Juvi Utah can't catch Oros and Tacos
it won't eat unless it rolls lucky on a gore
pulsar lake
So nerf of damage and weight mass and speed buff
mental sleet
That would be rubbish.
frank thicket
Just respawn and eat the babies who fail before you so you can grow to become stronger 🤷
mental sleet
...
frank thicket
That's how it used to be
violet magnet
that was my strategy in progression until they changed the body despawn times, lol
sage helm
just because its rubbish doesnt mean we need to make it more rubbish
pulsar lake
I done it before when grow times were buffed as utah
long heath
Carnivore survival is supposed to be hard, regardless if you're a T. Rex or a Utah.
sage helm
not impossible tho
pulsar lake
Weren't able to hunt an oro so I let me die and eat my body but it gived me like 20%
long heath
If you can't manage to outsmart AI because you're running in a straight line behind it then go herbivore.
mental sleet
Shiina
sage helm
utah will not be able to survive if it cannot kill oros and tacos
mental sleet
AI cheats
sage helm
period
mental sleet
I'm not sure you are aware.
pulsar lake
After if carnivore are rare their nest will be a more lot interesting
long heath
Cheating as in stopping in place?
mental sleet
You assume too much.
If Juvi Utah cannot catch Oro/Taco
you literally can't play it unless you get lucky.
pulsar lake
Taco
mental sleet
Having to get lucky to survive as an animal is stupid.
long heath
I really don't care if Utah can't chase down Oros or Tacos
long heath
Considering there's the possibility
mental sleet
W H A T
long heath
That AI might not just be dinosaurs.
pulsar lake
It come in their burrow, kill them and drag them out
long heath
There has been talk about lizards and shit.
pulsar lake
New little AI like insect, lizard, mammals and fish
long heath
Your desperate "Utah starvation" problem solved.
pulsar lake
(Mammals like rat)
long heath
Juvi Utahs shouldn't be able to kill Oros and Tacos simply because well
mental sleet
Shiina, no, that's just a waste of time, let Juvi Utah hunt Oros and Tacos
long heath
Juvi Utahs are tiny even to Oro.
mental sleet
There is literally NO problem with this.
You are making a problem where there isn't one.
long heath
Plus Psittaco should be able to fight back.
pulsar lake
Rat could be stronger juvi Utah and be a nightmare to juvi Dilo, Carno, Utah.
pulsar lake
Have you ever seen how is anger a rat ?
A crazy son of a bitch
And when you look charater juvis size of theses 3
long heath
A rat isn't a danger to a juvenile Carno lmao
pulsar lake
Rat could be a danger for them
long heath
Yeah no.
Depending on how big your juvenile stage is, there should be an AI that can support your size.
pulsar lake
Yeah finally I was wrong
long heath
And not do something...stupidly unrealistic than one tap an Oro double your size with a bite force of...what, 5-10 N?
pulsar lake
Juvis Utah, Dilos and carno hunt easily rats
So we need another agressive AI bigger than Juvis
long heath
Utah clearly has functioning arms, if it's hungry, lift up a rock and maul a lizard that potentially runs out from underneath it.
pulsar lake
Velo aren't a danger
long heath
Velociraptor should curb stomp a juvi Utah change my mind
sacred wyvern
uh
depends on juvi utahs size
full grown juvi utah is about the same size
also rn it kinda does
sage helm
it only really curb stomps fresh spawn
after that you one shot it and it barely does damage to you
barren zephyr
Optional AI would add so much to the game, please consider it 🙏🏻
autumn void
yes
barren zephyr
it would make the game and servers more unique
valid flower
@barren zephyr Play on no alt turn servers like Isla nublar, isla nycta, Midgard survival etc
There is a lot of no alt turn servers
barren zephyr
im banned from their discords
or i would
offical should be based on real skill not some shit alt turning, it just makes the strongest oh look your a giga ass riding me look ill alt turn.
its retarded
@barren zephyr But at the same time no alt turn just means utahs and dilos assriding apexes
cyan flame
And assriding is no more skill, if anything, it's even less. So, not sure what you'd suggest then?
barren zephyr
thats the point
duh
Imagine being rex and dying just because some dilo got to assride you
its happened and so what
barren zephyr
no
vestal rune
white is a troll?
barren zephyr
just dont be a fucking noob and die to utahs
It makes the game unbalanced in a way where low tiers get to 1 vs 1 top tiers
cyan flame
Assriding is not an option, it's even less skillful than alt turn
vestal rune
alt turn is a balancing tool to mitigate abusing the turn radiuses of smaller dinos
barren zephyr
no im not a troll i think alt turn on an offical server is stupid, cause you got kids that cant play apex and die by utahs.
lmao less skillful
cyan flame
It is
vestal rune
it is less skillfull...
barren zephyr
but alt turning is more skillful?
vestal rune
it takes no skill to assride a rex
cyan flame
Because with alt, you need a partner to do the hit and run
oblique sluice
Stay in his ass and spam bite
barren zephyr
With alt turn it actually takes skill to kill stuff
violet magnet
"hurrdurr assriding take skillz!"
oblique sluice
wow such a skill
cyan flame
That would actually mean planning and skill, more so than a single person assriding someone
vestal rune
tfw you think a lone utah should be able to solo an adult rex
barren zephyr
wow just alt turn and break your leg as rex then just chomp wow such skill
without alt turn only viable dino is utah and dilo prettymuch
cyan flame
If I can alt, you need to plan your attack, have a distraction, and so on
That actually means something
vestal rune
1 utah is tbh
cyan flame
If I can't alt, you can just assride me to oblivion, and in some cases I'm not even sure you need to surprise someone, you could just run around them and get behind, or at least I think you can?
vestal rune
since they're so tiny they can easily sneak up on you
violet magnet
tfw can only strategize for no alt turn situations then cry foul when someone alt turns
"ThiS iS SO UnBALaNCeD"
barren zephyr
doesnt matter you having alt turn gives the apexs advantage over the small tiers and anything that relys on turning.
vestal rune
that's the fucking point
cyan flame
Well yes, the small tiers compensate with numbers
grave karma
violet magnet
apexes rely on turning to not be assridden to death
grave karma
you all getting baited
vestal rune
ye this is a troll
barren zephyr
how tf is a giga supposed to play solo if a rex can just alt turn break leg
because of the entire I am fucking bigass rex and utah is a breakfast for me thing?
cyan flame
Going to have to agree, Buffalo does seem like a troll, and is very rude at that.. :p
violet magnet
🐟
cyan flame
Ehm, a giga just.. keeps his distance?
barren zephyr
a troll cause im telling you fucking boobs that alt turning isn skill?
oblique sluice
Typical bored kid, let's move
barren zephyr
lmao
cyan flame
Or surprise/ambush run and then let the rex bleed
grave karma
smh this game is so unrealistic we all know a mouse can kill an elephant easily and thats why elephants are scared of mice
barren zephyr
I mean, apexes shouldnt want to 1 vs 1 other apex to be started with
you guys sound fucking retarded i make a suggestion and defend it and im a bored troll?
cyan flame
I don't think a single giga normally should take on a single rex as it were, and beyond that, I think most agrees that getting BB by a tailnip is.. questionable, but we'll get a new system there anyway
barren zephyr
you dumb ass lol
violet magnet
yikes
barren zephyr
🎣
grave karma
well, they did say the best defense is an overwhelming offense
vestal rune
only people with nothing to defend with do that
cyan flame
All you're doing is telling us alt turn is no skill, we're telling you that may be true, but assriding is even less skill, and at least with alt, you require some planning, and can't just get in and then stay there forever at no risk
barren zephyr
oh btw, insulting everyone can get you well, punished
indigo sun
rex wont just bite anywhere and break a leg in the future, it'll have to aim, so the reasoning of "how can a giga play solo if a rex can alt turn and bite it to break its leg" doesnt really matter when considering the future of the game. so if you've got another example of why alt turn is bad i'd love to hear it
violet magnet
alt turn is bad because they died to an alt turning rex that one time
barren zephyr
"its not skillful"
Also it doesnt help bleeders?
Just hit and run a few times and then bait the oponent into chasing you
bleeding them out
indigo sun
i do also have screenshots of devs saying alt turn will not be going anywhere
grand brook
well it's been a while since somebody posted against alt-turn
vestal rune
true I guess
brittle ivy
Everyone take a breath for a moment
indigo sun
I'm asking legitimately for another example they can give. I'd like to see more than "giga dies to rex"
brittle ivy
Just calling for the discussion (above) to cool down, already kicked the guy
brittle ivy
If he had a legitimate reason to discuss, he could have done it civilly right up front.
barren zephyr
Tbh I see him rejoining and screaming at you for kicking him
brittle ivy
Should I see more name calling and insults being hurled in here, I'll not hesitate to kick/ban others
If he rejoins and does that he'll be handled again.
But that's not your problem.
mellow maple
Removing Alt Turn is a no no. It's simply too much fun to do so. 👀
Allowing the option tho, I wouldn't mind it the way it is rn
viral creek
Late but.
To keep it simple.
Defending should be easier than attacking.
Balance would be broken if it were the other way around.
fading shadow
thorny crater
@mellow maple agreed ik why it's in the game I play on both types of server's I'm not the biggest fan of alt turn but I understand why
mellow maple
I'm not a fan of enforcing anything on players. Give em options.
But, we're already getting alt turn regardless, so we better get used to it.
barren zephyr
I’d just like to show supper for the option to disable AI on severs
thorny crater
Not sure why they'd do that because there's severs that are constantly full that have alt turn disabled so that's strange to me why they'd force it
barren zephyr
Sometimes it can feel useless to hunt other players if for a carnivore ehonspawns their own food
who spawn*
And herbivores have to go looking for it
because of this most severs are 80% carnivores
If a sever chose to cut down on carnivore overpopulation, they could limit or turn of AI, but that’s not possible atm
neat flicker
Imagine trying to get alt turn removed from the game, when you can just play on a no alt server
indigo sun
He plays on a server with alt turn and i know the owner and he refuses to turn it off, so guess he's gotta either play with shitty rules or deal with alt turn
vestal rune
tbf no alt turn is getting removed
loud tapir
I dunno why he complains about rex alt turn, giga is the bad one with its alt turn...
rex'es alt turn isen't broken
sage helm
he was just salty that he couldnt kill a rex as a solo giga its fine
I gotta say tho
I dont like how alt turn is getting forced
vestal rune
alt turn is an important gameplay mechanic, it shouldn't be able to be turned off in the first place
sage helm
there should be a choice imo
I mean yea but if people like a broken game then thats what they like
barren zephyr
Oh no was there another no alt turn boi
vestal rune
ye but then they complain about non-existant balance issues
sage helm
looks like it was deleted
glossy hornet
he cant play on other servers because he is banned so he wants official servers to be changed 
indigo sun
Actually he likely doesnt play on official, its a private server i know. He's part of their discord
sick crescent
@twin burrow anything else?
You have to put into thinking things such as
Make sure they somehow don’t have something like, 4 Allos in a group
More Allos nearby, an Allo gets injured and runs off, then one of the Allos nearby comes rushing in, basically a brand new Allo
Which is basically what happens anyway right now, and admins don’t seem to like it when that happens lol
twin burrow
Hm..
I'd say something like if another allo is in a close radius, but that doesn't sound like it'd work
sick crescent
Maybe flag the Allos for being near each other and under a certain time limit if the other Allo is gone far enough it’ll unflag them
twin burrow
Ya
sick crescent
In that period any new Allo within a certain radius of the flagged Allos cannot come in without an affinity debuff
outer nebula
Also have to be put into whats is better balance wise. For example will 4 allos be able to take on a rex this a survival game first and a realism game second
twin burrow
Ingame yes
sick crescent
But that is also flawed in an aspect
twin burrow
3-4 allos can kill a rex
sick crescent
What if they log or a friend logs and it clears a spot so someone can log in
outer nebula
But not everyone can do it
twin burrow
Then oh well.
sick crescent
Would running and hiding away while taking damage from combat then logging count as combat logging?
It’s super strange
twin burrow
If you don't have what it takes, then you just don't have it at the time
outer nebula
The problem with puting limits on groups is that it changes the idea of this is a game and people like playing in groups
sick crescent
twin burrow
Well ya.
sick crescent
But groups can get too powerful
twin burrow
But then how do you contain things like 9-15 man allo packs
outer nebula
Yup
sick crescent
It could be a last minute resort
twin burrow
That's the idea