like im pretty sure rex has a 62% chance of breaking gigas leg because of weight
#general-feedback-discussion
modern frost
I think it should be decreased to 50% against giga, and against things that are bigger than him like shants shouldn't be effected by this thing or have really low chance
modern frost
it has the bf tho
grave karma
what
modern frost
bite force
grave karma
rex would get his ass whooped if giga didnt get his leg broken
modern frost
i didn't said giga shouldn'T get effected by bb
grave karma
🤦
barren zephyr
🤦
ironman just deal with it, Giga has only ONE fucking bad matchup
and it should stay that way if its that powerful
while rex has countless bad matchups with mid tiers
and even giga itself can easily kill a rex
modern frost
Anyways it was only a suggestion
barren zephyr
Stop whining about bone break when it needs it to hunt or kill stuff bigger or as big
grave karma
"decrease the bone break chance of rex on some dinos, like rex bites giga 1 time (giga is bigger than rex) and breaks his leg all the time"
modern frost
I just suggested to lower the bb chance of rex
barren zephyr
Bol?
modern frost
MaN*
barren zephyr
I knew you would bring up the fanboy card
how else would someone whining about certain dinosaur would react when they are losing?
modern frost
I'm losing? well I have some other cards
but there's no point in continuing this argument
barren zephyr
You bring no argument other than "waaaa the bb too high cuz giga die to rex ez11"
Now I'm off
feral wedge
torn thistle
Not really the place to ask, but you DM Punch about it.
topaz epoch
Shoot a DM to Punchpacket about it. This isn't the channel for that, however.
Dangit Bhal
torn thistle
Get ninja'd you nerd
severe lichen
k sorry
thorny lynx
@desert thistle It is 20.
echo bridge
stuck coyote
carnos do NOT need any more bleed
blazing charm
@crude slate That's a recipe for griefing right there. Oh and it'd make hiding impossible.
indigo sun
Yeah, i'd prefer to not have my cover automatically blown with no chance of surviving if i'm trying to avoid something much larger than me, thanks.
Why in the hell would you want that?
paper oriole
Thats one of the worst suggestions i have seen in a while
patent spade
i hope that guy with the name reveal suggestion was trolling XD
that would be a terrible mechanic
warped harbor
skywolf67 killed me ban he
bright tide
yes, totally add something that would make surviving as a carnivore infinitely easier because that is a smart thing to do in a survival game where you are hand fed easy ai already
indigo sun
There's just so many reasons why its a bad idea
paper oriole
let's give a crutch to all the shitty hunters out there as if they didnt already have one (AI)
bright tide
The bush suggestions is a nice one though
paper oriole
yeah that one is good
indigo sun
I like that one. Could really help when the bigger guys wipe out bushes in a herd and the juvies still need food
paper oriole
yeah it'd help mixed herds and babs, also carnis could see the smaller stripped bushes and know that the herbis who ate from them had small guys with them so it could help both sides
violet magnet
re: sniffing reveals player names
"I got ambushed one time by somebody I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WAS THERE, this is a BAD THING and it needs a FIX"
there are so many bad things that could happen if this was implemented idk where to even start 
thorn wagon
Being able to sniff dead bodies that aren’t gores yet would be a good suggestion
Being able to sniff still living bodies and show the player’s name is... not so
sturdy lintel
Sniffing bodies will help finding abandoned or unknown bodies which means less waste of food and unnecessary deaths
Also will ease the pressure on a server due to less bodies around
edgy furnace
The horrible English on this poop suggestion makes it worse
sturdy lintel
I almost spilled my coffee reading that lmao
I mean why would you need poop if you can see footprints
And that poop blocking burrows idea I think its unnecessary
edgy furnace
It’s 12 am and instead of going to bed I decide to check suggestions channel once more to see if there’s any shit suggestions and then there’s this lmao
barren zephyr
intestinal waste fetish prob
edgy furnace
a literal shit suggestion
sturdy lintel
sturdy lintel
violet magnet
posts poop suggestion with Sans profile pic
inb4 unironic exclamation of "Geeeet dunked on!" when people call it trolling
paper oriole
what the fuck
Darkdinoripper at it again with the BaD sUgGeStIoNs
if poop is ever added to the game it should only be for flyers and giant sauropods
umbral tartan
Lol poop is a good idea hes just not handling it wel
paper oriole
why does the rex need to shit on the dryo burrow if it can apparently already dig its face in to get the dryo as was also said in the suggestion
also suchos destroy dibbles unless they suck ass i don't think "dibble can run down sucho" is a reason for the speed buff lol
bright tide
This is true
So far the only time I have seen Diablo beat sucho is when diablo has the suchos out numbered or they are ganking a sucho juvie
paper oriole
lol ive killed a couple sucho as dibble but they were trash
idk how they made it to adult being so bad
bright tide
Ye
paper oriole
suchos speed is fine unless he gets nerf later
barren zephyr
@paper oriole i said if they get toned down which will eventually happen cause fish
paper oriole
more than a run speed buff i hope they can swim faster than currently too because a rex can speed them down in water
because the momentum boost or w/e
sturdy lintel
I think the respawn command will cause problems in combat and stuff
Maybe it shouldnt be available when bleeding or being chased
pure fossil
@valid flower if you nerf so much the cama, then why use it? The cama is slow, visible, cant hide well, and had difficults for turn. If You nerf it, you kill it directly. Better kick the camara than nerf it. You need think in the meta. Cama is a ton of free food if you nerf is defensive power. Dont need to use it then = extintion of the dino, nobody uses it, work for nothing.
valid flower
Ye but it shouldnt 1 shot allos like its nothing
Or trample gigas and rexes
thats dumb.
If it needs to be kicked, then shall be it.
barren zephyr
It should because its current size is not meant to be what it is.
Its gonna be far larger if implemented
Oh also its a fucking sandbox dinosaur
valid flower
It's played alot in survival.
barren zephyr
Sandbox dinosaurs obviously arent very balanced
valid flower
But yes.
barren zephyr
And?
valid flower
True
barren zephyr
And even so
valid flower
idc if its survival or not, its in the game
simple wagon
It's not meant to be a survival? Play officials for real survival...
valid flower
Its a suggestion
Barley any1 plays on offcials now'adays.
Most people are on Nycta, Nublar etc
im talking about the game in general
simple wagon
Okay lets try and balance a dino, bcs people are playing it on other people server, not ours... logic
barren zephyr
Camarasaurus IRL could easily shred allos. Its 7x larger than them and could trample Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus. One single tail whips force + weight is enough to snap an allosaurus
valid flower
Dark you do realize that this suggestion isnt just for the official servers?
barren zephyr
Also Official Servers are usually Full
valid flower
You seem new.
Actually, usually a pack of allos would hunt camaras and most of the time kill them.
If you search it up
barren zephyr
Nope
valid flower
Camaras predator was allos
pale prairie
his point was, why should the dev team waste time trying to balance an animal that will most likely be completely redone if added to survival now, while there's more important things to be done.
barren zephyr
If they needed a pack they would need like 9
simple wagon
I know that it isn't for officials, you do realize that the only dinos that needs to be balanced are those planned for official survival? Sandbox dino breaks the meta in survival... the fact that other servers are letting people play them is their choice...
barren zephyr
Also I dont trust google so I wont do that
valid flower
barren zephyr
not going to trust google sorry
paper oriole
Why does camaras strength even matter right now its slow as fuk just walk away from it, "in real life..." Isnt a reason for the devs to waste their time balancing a sandbox dino
pale prairie
pay attention to the in-game allosaurus and planned camarasaurus size, the game isn't real life.
in-game a single "whack" from a camarasaurus would seriously hurt an allosaurus.
valid flower
Yeah hurt, not instant kill.
pale prairie
if allo was to get a eh.. "pounce" of sorts, grapple even, that would be the only possible way for allosaurus packs to bring one down without losing half their members
it's not an instant kill, allosaurus can survive a single hit from the tail.
it's the tail + trample that does it.
bright tide
The reason no one would bother trying to balance cama now is exactly because it is a sandbox dino and therefore non-existent in the official servers unless injected to test survivability and impact on the ecosystem - which they are not because they cannot nest.
If cama ever makes it to survival then we will most likely see a balance patch on it depending on how it impacts survival at all stages
Not just the "adult" stage we have now
Chances are cama's power would be balanced simply by a very long, very tedious growth cycle
Most spawned camas would most likely die before seeing a third of their growth completed
Thus making them rare since many would happily hyper target what would be a very slow, very free meal
barren zephyr
@valid flower thats literally so wrong
1 ceratosaurus and torvosaurus never hunted camarasaurus
2 a tail swipe from a camara does not 1 shot an allo
3 camara is undersized irl it was way more bigger and lethal
this thing could easily break an allos jaw with a weak tail whip
also why the fuck do you think a 20ton herbivore would lose to 1-2ton carnivore most of the time.
finite perch
everyone knows you gotta watch trey the explainer for your paleo information
barren zephyr
wrong
valid flower
correct
formal vine
Wrong
Allosaurus was highly cannibalistic and ate its own species a lot
Bite marks on skulls, arms, and abdominal bones of allosaurus have been discovered as other allosaurus
valid flower
didnt say they didnt do that
formal vine
They are solitary
Hunting in packs only to bring down big prey
camarasaurus fossils have multiple bitemarks and gouges of multiple allosaurus speciemens.
If you nerf cama now its basically dead
valid flower
grand brook
preys
valid flower
where do u get all ur info then?
barren zephyr
Dinopedia
formal vine
Scientific articles and notes
valid flower
or wait u lived back then
formal vine
From actual paleontologists posts/ articles/ and studies
barren zephyr
ask the people in #paleotalk
formal vine
^
valid flower
idgaf about irl stuff i was talking about the game in general anyways
umbral prairie
google says t rex weighed 6-15 tons
umbral prairie
you can't trust google on things like that
formal vine
Spino is 15-20 tonnes for google
valid flower
recode is in the 29th?
barren zephyr
15 tons and 6 ton tyrannosaurus is so wrong lmao
umbral prairie
yes definitely
valid flower
wait so its in 3 days?
umbral prairie
100%
formal vine
Jerry whats your arguement here.
umbral prairie
and it's not a random date I thought of
valid flower
lol i doubt it tbh
they will release it in feb the day PoT comes out
which is smart
formal vine
Back to the suggestion
barren zephyr
also camara is supposed to be above all Apexes so think about balance instead using outdated dinosaur facts to justify a psuedo Titan getting nerfed
formal vine
^
valid flower
I'm more than sure that 2 rexes could take on a cama
umbral prairie
nah
umbral prairie
I mean technically rexes could just bite down on the neck for a while and kill the cam
formal vine
And a cracked skull ain't good at all
umbral prairie
but the cam would never let a rex that close
formal vine
well @umbral prairie is correct
barren zephyr
prob but that doesnt matter cause dondi wants camara to be giga pack food
umbral prairie
without stomping it or smacking it
formal vine
lmao apex
valid flower
Well irl if that happened the rexes woud surrounded the cama and will go for the neck
rexes werent retards
but good thing gigas can take down camas
formal vine
Thats why irl is different to the game
you see
This game is no where near scientifically accurate
umbral prairie
yeah sauropods should only really be killed by bleed
valid flower
I feel like there should be weak spots in the game
umbral prairie
or by hypers
valid flower
ye ik
umbral prairie
A sitting cama is very vulnerable
valid flower
Thats the only thing a rex faces thats challenging
formal vine
A rex depends on its biteforce and I dont know how circling will help
umbral prairie
because everything can reach the neck
formal vine
ahem Mr. Jerry trike
umbral prairie
trike will be challenging too
valid flower
not rlly
formal vine
Its meant to be
umbral prairie
with locational/collision
valid flower
Ye ^
formal vine
thats it
formal vine
lmao
umbral prairie
which is why I said will
formal vine
You underestimate trike
valid flower
Ik ik
formal vine
Anyway back to suggestion
umbral prairie
there are rexes that try to hit and run
valid flower
But u cant disagree about the fact that trikes are in a shitty position right now
valid flower
2 bites from a giga, and your done.
1 giga can take down a trike
by bleeding it out
literally easily.
valid flower
A giga can heal off a trike hit with in a minute or 2
formal vine
You ignore trike's bleed
formal vine
And a trike wont let a giga sit down
valid flower
there is a difference
Giga heals faster
than a trike
even while standing
it would heal off its bleed
formal vine
See if we talk properly here
valid flower
Done that many times when I played giga
formal vine
Most The isle players are impatient
So the average giga would rush in to kill the trike
And thats when trikes damage and bleed kicks in
valid flower
Well thats a shitty giga.
player*
And ye ik most people r like that
especially rexes
formal vine
average
valid flower
very greedy
formal vine
Like your arguement
"The average rex"
This is going offtopic of the suggestion
We should get back to the suggestion instead
formal vine
Then we move to #401464048610312195
valid flower
Yeah that will work too
I'd say..
keep the current stats
however
if a rex face tanks a trike, the trike will get around 30% less dmg from the rex
So the rex has to play it smart, and try to get around its neck
and take it down
Thats when 2 rexes will come in handy taking down 1 trike
But if they don't add collusion or anything that will support the trike, I'd suggest dropping it's growth to 5 hours or so.
umbral prairie
I kinda like the idea of making all herbi growths shorter except for maia, so that until herbs have more to do and have unique mechanics etc there is at least something that might make people play herbi
valid flower
I also don’t know why rex got a growth duration buff to 6 hours?
It use to be 7 hours
Plus people still played rex when it was 7 hours
teal grotto
I say make the trike grow at 4-5 hours and every other herbivore get buffed by having the growth timer be lowered this way we can have alot more herbivore players in general
More herbs alot more balanced
By that I do mean that there is alot more herbivores then there are carnivores
Actually that should be the case as nature does that pretty well
native nebula
btw, the reason things like blood splatters don't stick around too long is performance-related. you can very quickly end up with a lot of dynamic decals in the level depending on how much a dino is bleeding. they last for around 90 seconds currently.
winter sage
There was a major issue with blood splatter lagging the game before as well.
blazing charm
@final bobcat You need to give a bit more detail on that suggestion, WHY should they add the terror birds? What would be their unique mechanics/gimmicks?
What would be unique about them?
mellow maple
They'd function like Gallimimus in terms maybe kicks but also have a beak attack that does massive blunt damage
But also predatory
They'd also be an interesting dinosaur as it would be the Isle's first cenozoic dinosaur.
They have specify which genus tho, instead of just saying "terror bird"
which one? Titanis? Phorusrhacos?
oak shale
@valid flower Breakable jaws would be the worst addition ever
I dont see why people want it
it sounds terrible
patent spade
i dont understand why ppl are obsessed with having a sleeping mechanic as if realism will improve the game. it will just make playing the game tedious and aggravating if i have to stop to sleep or bathe my dino/character every x amount of time cause "realism makes the game more fun 
"
craggy scarab
Not sure they cared about being clean in the first place and was more an instinct to stay cool
patent spade
wanting a dino to be able to break its jaw from combat is really just you wanting an easy kill on apexs lol @valid flower its a terrible mechanic to leave a player completely unable to defend itself. atleast with a broken leg you can still fight
violet magnet
muh nostalgia
languid meadow
Cleaning could mean something if you really stunk.
grave karma
@violet magnet what was that messed up allo from again
patent spade
its a pointless mechanic. its a video game not a documentary or dino simulator trying to show how dinos used to live before they went extinct. let me just walk around and fight to my hearts content without tedious chores that have to be done
lament thorn
But it is meant to be rather abusive so I could see broken jaws being a thing but not something permeant or long lasting
grave karma
gameplay over realism
oak shale
Another person suggested that the one witha broken jaw shouldnt be able to eat
grave karma
"b-b-bbut some of the dinosaurs are reali-" thats the dev's choice
patent spade
yes let me just be rendered completely and entirely unable to fight back with my 6hr dino cause i got hit in the jaw
languid meadow
100% okay with dinos just completely regrowing arms and such tbh.
Maybe have some AI dinos spawn with battle injuries tho.
Battle scars sound cool.
patent spade
if they do add it then i would hope its after a bunch of the more important features are in
violet magnet
@grave karma that one episode of Dinosaur Revolution where the allo gets tailwhipped in the face and it shatters its jaw
"hey that was a good episode what if in-game"
lament thorn
Pretty scars and things like that are planned just as a nice visual for now long/violent a creatures life has been but we probs won’t get it for a long time
languid meadow
When the rex that's more scars than skin approaches you
When the devs have to make rear end scars harder to get to stop all the carnivores from looking like a bunch of butt munchers
umbral prairie
@barren zephyr all hitboxes have problems right now. I believe that is because they aren't actually hitboxes, but some weird physics collision stuff. Latency can make it even worse. Will be fixed, or a lot better at least, after the recode.
indigo sun
That's not even a suggestion. And the current game we have uses physics collision which has issues. It's gonna get fixed. Relax. @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
@indigo sun I'm relaxing IO just wan't to say it because I loved the para and now I hate him after this evening.
valid flower
@patent spade So apex carnis should be immortal and undefeatable, gotcha.
indigo sun
Well you put words in someone's mouth real quick, didnt ya jerry.
barren zephyr
I know because I'm a fanatic para player and I'm sorry if the words not suitable
indigo sun
It's more of a bug, really, armist. Should go in #401465476661641217 i think, if you wanna put it somewhere
barren zephyr
It just don't make since to grow a para when something so small can kill you easily
patent spade
@valid flower they arent immortal and undefeatable. if you cant see the issue with rendering a player completely unable to fight back just cause you think its too difficult to kill an apex then idk what to tell you
a good dilo or utah group can kill apexs
indigo sun
But also Jerry, Aelita has a point. Nothing should be made completely useless by another creature.
spiral pond
Para breaks allos jaw and now the allo gets chased by Maia’s to death
grave karma
rex's weakness is smaller things
@spiral pond that happens without a para breaking an allos jaw
spiral pond
But the Maia’s will still take a bit of risk by chasing an allo that can bite them
paper oriole
Why do people always say utha lol
paper oriole
lol why would the dinos have a hard time seeing the flares, tbh the mercs should have a challenge getting their free gun drops, if the dinos wanna take advantage letem
dull kayak
the buildings in-game could be hot spots for human loot and activity c:
I remember briefly when mercs and tribals were added to R2 when survival was only rex, utah and carno
the second a tribal had a bow and arrows, rexes were fucked
violet magnet
@unborn mauve "Being able to sense nearby dinosaurs with sniff."
Big heckin' yikes
hiding would be impossible
marble cedar
I mean you can already kind of do it with footprints
violet magnet
unless it's raining or they've sat there for a while and the footprints have faded
if you could sniff out players there'd be exactly ZERO chances of EVER hiding from anything
and give carnivores an even easier time finding prey, as if the AI spawns don't make their lives easy enough already
bright tide
Like, imagine you are traveling, you park your butt in a bush to get Stam back, no one can spot you and shouldn't be able to spot you. Pred walks by, giving you a heart attack, but it fails to see you. Then it stops and sniffs for water and swings its camera around and - oh hello, free snack
long heath
If that were a thing I think it'd be better to swap herbs seeing highlighted footprints for scent trails, or at least a small hint of some trail.
Carnivores can track, herbivores can detect, I suppose.
Would at least benefit some animals that have a hard time hiding that something big was in the area.
Plus they could just make juvenile scents impervious to this to stop adult trikes from goring a helpless hatchling Allo upon sight.
^ Based on a personal experience
Giga nerf when?
Actually apex nerf when in general
I'm on board with a Giga nerf, hopefully wouldn't be able to trot down essentially everything. There's the fact that since it's a super bleedy boy it deals too much damage per bite.
paper oriole
its current trotting things down mechanic whuld be fine if its bite was toned down lol
long heath
That too.
Dilo is balanced with a weak bite force but great bleed to compensate
Giga is just overkill.
God I just can't wait for the recode so Apexes don't take a brainlet amount of intelligence to play
Or any carnivore for that matter.
paper oriole
if it was easy it'd be funny if they switched all the current apexes on officials to tacos when the recode hit
instead of just wiping lol
long heath
Hitboxes 
Perhaps then
My Para kicks can finally hit that Allo standing right in front of me biting.
God I hate that Allo.
long heath
@paper oriole I agree with everything but the "necrotic bite"
Would you like to explain what would do exactly?
viral creek
Just thought I'd mention that para really isn't that slow
He is the exact speed as allo
oak shale
necrosis. [ nə-krō′sĭs ] The death of cells or tissues from severe injury or disease, especially in a localized area of the body. Causes of necrosis include inadequate blood supply (as in infarcted tissue), bacterial infection, traumatic injury, and hyperthermia.
@long heath
Probably wants it to be like some sort of
venom
with out being venom
velvet siren
Infectious bite kinda?
long heath
Hm.
Cerato is a bone eater...wouldn't see it not having some kind of diseased mouth.
God damn thing's tail is vaguely similar to a rat's anyway.
velvet siren
Komodo dragons have so much bacteria in their mouths that it works as venom
I think
barren zephyr
Komodos have venom tho?
velvet siren
They do?
velvet siren
Oh ya just searched
long heath
Wasn't that a subject of debate for a long time anyway
paper oriole
lol didnt notice i was tagged, yeah it would be a sort of infected bite, not exactly sure how it'd work mechanic-wise. maybe it'd weaken the area of the bite and make it take extra damage and bleed or something
also is that suggestion asking for a body-down rule on officials 
viral creek
Please do not ruin official servers, thanks.
There are other servers to cater to that experience.
viral creek
You see, we actually care about player freedom, and we also have reasons for killing people outside of food, and for sport.
velvet siren
Killing without really needing food is entertaining so yes dont take that away
paper oriole
Body down rule also just fuels fights in global (or in this discs official chats) "stap attacking there's a body!" "I didn't see the body" "aaadmin he attacked with a body down ban him!!1!"
velvet siren
Yea
barren zephyr
Some guy on nycta even filed a report for breaking body down, and on the end added to not punish them because they didnt see the body
like wtf
oak shale
@unborn quail why a pseudo mid tier?
unborn quail
It lacks the raw power to go against something like an Allosaurus(unless in a pack/pair), but it's too strong to be a small tier, much like carno
oak shale
Fair enough
barren zephyr
i love the hunger inducing part
no one wants to starve faster so its a good mechanic
long heath
Eh, everything but the aroma and garbage eating part.
Cerato's something like a hyena, not a raccoon.
unborn quail
'Garbage' doesnt actually refer to garbage, moreso waist from tribals/mercs
blazing charm
Racoon Cerato that climbs trees and divebombs on anything that passes by
long heath
Doubt a mercenary will carry any type of meat for himself other than jerky 
long heath
I'd leave the human waste eating to Velos. They're already somewhat like cleanup crews.
unborn quail
That part of the suggestion was moreso centered around Tribals, seeing as they actually have to hunt dinosaurs
So think of it more like sneaking into a tribal camp and just going to town on the scrap pile
Or just stealing their kill in general
long heath
Yeah I doubt a cerato would sneak around a tribal camp.
Tribal camps of high activity.
When everyone's sleeping maybe but it'll still make a shit ton of sound.
unborn quail
The sleeping part was all but implied, and even if they notice you, it's going to take sometime before they can actually bring you down
Plenty of time to go in, grab what you want, and walk away
And the Aroma again, only applies when the lad has actively been shoving itself and hanging around rotten corpses, so it carrying around a putrid smell for sometime gives a nice marker for people to avoid, especially when it has the means to drain your affinity if you fight it
The marker itself could be anything, discoloration around the jaws, a small message saying 'hey this guy nasty', doesnt necessarily have to be a scent, but it was something I havent seen used before so Thought I'd might as well throw it out as an idea
grave karma
i think cera shouldnt be too resistant to gunfire, but maybe more so from arrows from tribals
unborn quail
A scavenger based creato would probably be interacting with tribals more than anything, so having resistance to their weapons would probably suit it better
barren zephyr
i guess that makes sense
normal fern
I don't think a scavenger cerato is a good idea
indigo sun
That's what it's supposed to be though, isnt it?
grave karma
yeah
unborn quail
Probably isnt, but it's what we have to work with, best to make the most of it
normal fern
I think more carnivore with training wheels for when the difficulty ramps up
grave karma
hardy scavenger
normal fern
Give the scavenger thing to herrera
grave karma
give scavenger to veloci
unborn quail
Give scavenger to cerato but don't make it dependent on it
normal fern
Shitty hunter, honey badger, vulture hybrid?
unborn quail
Still a good hunter, but with specific reasons and benefits to scavenging
normal fern
Honestly I think cerato would make a great opportunist/survivalist than anything else.
Make herra the full on scavenger
barren zephyr
Make herra the full on juve nightmare instead
unborn quail
Thats, Basically what cerato will be
normal fern
Make herras ability excellent scent range so he can smell a corpse from a mile off
Then give cerato the ability to digest rotten meat
unborn quail
It will..
thorn wagon
Herrera will be the tree memer hopefully
normal fern
So even if he can't find corpses very well, if he comes across one he can make the most of it
unborn quail
The original ability we know about is being the only thing capable of eating rotten meat with no punishment
unborn quail
A hyena
normal fern
If cerato is hyena does that mean he'll rip balls off?
barren zephyr
Hyenas barely scavenge
unborn quail
It's a gives no fuck opportunistic predator who bullys smaller shit off kills, ambushes small and mid sized game, and laughs as they slowly die from rotten meat poisoning
He bullys Carno(Cheetahs) of their kills due to being stockier and more resilient, and gangs up on Allo(Lion) and runs circles around it until it leaves or gets killed
It runs after larger prey(like para) with a pack and constantly goes for the legs in order to exhaust and eventually cripple it
normal fern
I just want cerato to chomp balls like a hyena
unborn quail
And when meals become scarce, it vacuums up the rotten meat like no tomorrow and with no care in the world
Ceratos special ability 'Ball chomper'
normal fern
Makes Allo commit soduku
Can't make babies
Allo can't carry on the bloodline
Allo goes extinct
Sucho inherits the earth
unborn quail
Allo gets mutilated
Rest of the pack rejects it
Beta male takes its role cause he can breed
normal fern
Babies come out as betas
Small and weak
Allo declines
Sucho inherits the earth
His balls too big to be chomped by a mere cerato
wintry cipher
That is a very quick way to get the game shut down/sued for millions due to copyright though.
barren zephyr
Was you responding to me or?
indigo sun
Keit was responding to you
violet magnet
what is with the vore fetish
like i get that this is a game where you eat things but do ya have to go into excessive detail about it
indigo sun
More ai is coming, we dont need hybrids it's really not necessary. Feels like a waste of time. As for the jp/jw maps, yeah i think copyright would happen very quickly
violet magnet
also yes that would be hella copyright infringement and grounds for a lawsuit
indigo sun
Just mod shit in like maps or dinosaurs when the dev kit is back if you want them so bad
umbral prairie
upvoting your own suggestion
grave karma
99% sure its 🎣
barren zephyr
Reading through that last Cerato conversation
Did that other brit just upvote his own suggestion
indigo sun
Yes cause he clearly doesnt understand what copyright is
barren zephyr
Yeesh, no need to be a D I was only upvoting is so people can upvote it without searching for it
By searching for it I mean searching for the Emoji.
indigo sun
It's not much effort
barren zephyr
Look through my camera and tell me if I look like I give a sh word
indigo sun
Mkay hon, still copyright infringement. And you can swear here. Dunno why youre censoring yourself
blazing charm
Alright, let's break this one down.
(1) "it would make the game fun" isn't a valid excuse on it's own, HOW would these ideas/additions make the game more engaging?
(2) Hybrids are...a certaintly interesting idea, but they are a grey idea due to the current state of the Jurassic Park/World Franchise, not to mention the added workload of creating numerous hybrid creatures seems somewhat unnecessary.
(3) That ties into the next problem I have, you cannot simply use Jurassic Park locations without proper permission from the copyright holder, which would be very expensive and ultimately time-consuming to do.
(4) More AI is planned down the line
(5) Omnivores have been discussed in the past, I believe the development team comented on the subject by saying they wouldn't work for Survival, but maybe in another gamemode. I personally have alot of problems with the idea of Omnivores but i won't go into much detail right now.
(6) I don't really understand that last one, but I believe you're referring to a corpse degrading as it's devoured, honestly not sure about that being confirmed. But it'd be a decent QoL addition down the line.
indigo sun
Youre so good at lists of responses to things, jaffad
blazing charm
thanks?
random knoll
That thanks looks shady af
Also hybrid wouldn’t really be copyright
More less the maps
craggy scarab
- I love how Kingjaffad tries to get others to analyze what they are asking for
- Let’s try to be more civil 🙂
random knoll
...
barren zephyr
Hold up.
If humans exist.
Then why don't other animals exist?
Like pigs?
Because they were here before humans.
random knoll
What do you mean by that?
barren zephyr
Ok.
random knoll
The humans created the islands and put the dinos on them
random knoll
There are just no humans on the islands currently
barren zephyr
But yet Island's came to life because of volcano's million's of year's ago. How did human's creat the land?
Did they just pour 100 grams of lava?
indigo sun
If youre making a testing environment you clear out anything that would make the testing impure like animals that wouldnt allow the creatures youre testing to behave properly
umbral prairie
the humans just killed everything on the island before putting the dinosaurs on
indigo sun
It's as simple as just wiping out everything else
random knoll
There are humans just none on the island currently
umbral prairie
which is why the only other animals we see are insects and birds
barren zephyr
Insects.
craggy scarab
Getting a bit off topic guys
random knoll
barren zephyr
If there are insects.
Why not add some like lizard's to play ass.
Something.
Small dinosaurs.
Like a compy.
That eat the lizards.
random knoll
Because there’s too small
craggy scarab
indigo sun
The limit for playable size is dryo/pteranodon
Yeah lets travel over to #401464048610312195
random knoll
Yeah
indigo sun
Wrong channel but decent suggestions i think
random knoll
cobalt vale
So what is the ⏲ for in the #general-feedback
blazing charm
People use it as a way of conveying time/waiting, to elaborate it means that the thing you are suggesting is already planned.
cobalt vale
Ooo yayyy
blazing charm
Basically people are too lazy to say it in here, so they just use the clock
cobalt vale
Thank you :)
indigo sun
Means people like it
sturdy lintel
So its no different than :thumbsup?:
indigo sun
Pretty much
sturdy lintel
Okie thanks
indigo sun
@upbeat sigil they got rid of r2 for a reason. What that is, I am not personally sure since I wasnt around then, but they likely don't have it anymore because it's not necessary for the game and remaking it would be a waste of resources when they could instead work on the new map they're working on. If you want r2 that badly, I'm sure you can wait for the dev kit to return and make it yourself.
barren zephyr
It sure was fun seeing 3 players per minute hon
upbeat sigil
That sucks, that was a great map.
indigo sun
Feels like this is a much better use of their time and money.
blazing charm
Region 2 was inferior in quality, the only superior feature about that map was the distribution of food.
barren zephyr
and lighting
blazing charm
Lighting isn't going to matter, since we are getting new lighting.
upbeat sigil
It had more to explore. Caves, mountains, crevices.
The current maps are just bland imo.
indigo sun
V3 isnt even staying, so meh.
upbeat sigil
Ah, good.
grave karma
people just want r2 back because muh memories
blazing charm
@covert oasis Just so I am clear, are you referring to when a corpse turns green, or just when it decays away completely?
covert oasis
blazing charm
Alright, just wondering.
twilit sable
let me fix it
twilit sable
photosynthesizing is life
it wouldnt be much different from growing an apex right now
you sit somewhere for a good 6 hours
doing basically nothing
indigo sun
Yeah good point
languid meadow
Not finding friends is just asking for trouble from dinos who have found friends if you just keep sitting somewhere.
violet magnet
it feels dead because nobody makes any fuckin' noise
almost no broadcasts or any other calls, everybody using discord voice chat so no f-calls from typing in the chatbox
lament kayak
people are too afraid to 1 call
paper oriole
nobody making noise? tell that to the 50 rex roars and utah borks i hear within 10 min of joining a populated server lol
indigo sun
Well, smart people dont make noise
agile whale
^ Silence is the easiest way to boost your survival chance to adult
lament kayak
or if you're bored and wish to fight, make noise
slender sigil
Regarding @paper oriole's suggestion, the extra animals (rodents, seagulls, etc) don't even have to be server-side, if the synchronization tends to be finnicky regarding stuff like that, they could totally function well just on the client side and be a toggleable thing, depending on what the player wants for the atmosphere, which could increase/decrease performance accordingly (if it even impacts it to begin with). Just something procedural/random/event driven. (even birds flying away on approach of a large dinosaur, they wouldn't have to be rendered on every client at the same time to keep the function working properly)
Bird have a tendency to create alarm noises once predators approach as well, which could be possible as a combined thing with that suggestion.
And since it could be just a client-side thing, there wouldn't be a need for continuity of where the birds or critters disappear as long as they're out of view (or close enough).
Ambience is something that is very important in a game such as The Isle, so I think it's a pretty important thing to consider.
barren zephyr
To add to that, arma 3 has dealt with the issue this way, giving the animals basic pathmaking ai and basic interactions possible, and all that is client side
pulsar lake
@empty dove and nerf his turn radius.
indigo sun
It's supposed to be bigger than it is in game currently and about as dangerous as a trike so safe to say it'll be stronger when they put it in survival post-recode
umbral stone
lets see how much hate this can get lmao
indigo sun
in a terrible sing-song voice just accept artistic liberty, and feather systems have been previously discussed if you could be patient and wait til they prioritoze it
umbral prairie
I mean I'm not a fan of them either but accuracy isn't the main goal of this game, they're supposed to be recreated dinosaurs in human times and they can take artistic liberties in how they want their dinos to look.
umbral stone
theres a difference between artistic liberty and ripping of an outdated depiction from a popular film
umbral prairie
outdated doesn't matter
umbral stone
its not the fact its outdated
its the fact that its only doing it because of jurassic park
indigo sun
Wait isnt that photo the dakotaraptor from saurian?
Dondi wanted the wrists to look like that. Very simple. This game is highly inspired by jurassic park. And hell, maybe the scientists who made the dinosaurs made them this way
umbral stone
because its not being innovative
indigo sun
It doesnt have to be.
umbral stone
whats the point then
umbral prairie
they have enough unique stuff to their game, they can take some inspiration by other things they like (like JP)
umbral stone
theres a fine line between inspiration, and cloning
umbral prairie
if they straight up copied all the dinos and their sounds sure that wouldn't be nice
but they aren't
indigo sun
No one's claiming this game as innovative, nothing holding it to a promise of being so. It's a monster dinosaur game with orc-people and weird veiny creatures with psychic abilities.
umbral stone
they really are
umbral stone
they can do what they want, but it doesnt make it a good game
indigo sun
Well i'd hope the not-utahraptor isnt the only thing making this a good game for you
umbral stone
thats the issue
i dont mind if they called it something else
but atleast dont call it utahraptor
indigo sun
Name changes have been discussed i believe, it's probably just not a priority right now cause theyre working on more important stuff
umbral stone
they literally have to change a line of text
swapping out everything concerning utahraptor with a different alias
indigo sun
Who the hell knows, maybe they'll change it with the recode
umbral stone
i hope so
umbral prairie
and if they don't it's not a big deal
umbral stone
it really is
indigo sun
It's really not
umbral prairie
because the utah in TI is still a fictional character
umbral stone
then it isnt a utahraptor
indigo sun
I'm surprised you havent complained about spino too
umbral prairie
it's not supposed to be exactly representing its irl counterpart
barren zephyr
And why does that matter so much lol
umbral stone
if it isnt what its representing then why call it that at all
umbral prairie
the dinos are called what they are called because that is what the dino is based off of, and it is slightly modified to the devs' liking
umbral stone
based off of?
the utahraptor isnt based off of a utahraptor
its based off of jurassic parks velociraptor
barren zephyr
And why does it matter that much jeez
mellow maple
Except it basic theropod rule that they can't do that. Its an outdated depiction. Explain to me the other theropods having their hands okay but the one that looks like a naked lizard with long legs, it's okay.
Consistency smh
umbral stone
its sad to see that they are making the dinosaurs less and less like real dinosaurs and more like monsters because what
mellow maple
I actually feel that lmao @umbral stone
umbral stone
they want to ride off of jurassic parks success
jagged badge
Honestly I feel like some more feather dinosaurs in the game wouldn’t be that bad even if it’s not Utah, we only have 3 and it would be nice for diversity
unborn quail
Has anyone dropped the whole Utah isnt utahraptor yet, or...?
mellow maple
No lol.
indigo sun
No theyre still whining.
unborn quail
Good
umbral prairie
I don't get how it is 'riding off of JPs success' if you change hands
mellow maple
I still vouch for Utah hands to face each other.
umbral prairie
you think more people will buy TI because of hands
mellow maple
tell me the downwards hands actually good smh
indigo sun
I'm still confused why utah is what they go after but spino's totally fine
umbral stone
its wrists for a start
mellow maple
they look like fucking zombies lmao
umbral stone
spino isnt fine
unborn quail
Utha is being renamed to a made up dinosaur, so any paleo based complaint around the animal is void
barren zephyr
"OH MY GOD. ITS GOT JP RAPTOR HANDS. LETS BUY THIS" but actually no
indigo sun
Then whine about that too
umbral stone
i mean it is
umbral prairie
I also like the accurate hands more, I don't like how the JP hands look
but most arguments you bring here don't really matter to what the game is
mellow maple
Excepted that non-pronated hands aren't Utah specific. It's just a basic theropod law.
jagged badge
Tbh I do have to agree the Isle is riding a bit of Jp’s success with Utah and Rex
umbral stone
it really is
jagged badge
The rex used to be pretty good with its old roars
mellow maple
New dromaeosaur is still a theropod, right?
jagged badge
Which were great
mellow maple
Or is it not even a dinosaur at all
jagged badge
I miss those roars
unborn quail
It's not a dinosaur
mellow maple
👏
umbral stone
this
mellow maple
there we have it
unborn quail
None of the creatures in the isle are actually dinosaurs
umbral stone
lmao at this point you might aswell not even call them dinosaurs
yes, but actually no
umbral prairie
but it isn't riding off of their success, you can't tell me that people will buy TI that is otherwise very different from JP will buy it because the rex and utah sound similar
it is inspiration
grave karma
why are people so angry about the utah wrists
mellow maple
That's kind of what I'm going for tbh. Since they're genetic freaks, why should I hold them to the same regard as dinosaurs.
None of them are worthy SMH
umbral prairie
but they aren't trying to make their game popular by changing how hands look
umbral stone
they are making it look like jurassic park
barren zephyr
Like, most people dont even care if it looks same like jp hands
grave karma
and?
umbral stone
they arent borrowing inspiration
grave karma
whats the problem about it
umbral stone
they are blatantly copying a successful film franchise
jagged badge
It’s kinda a shame since Jurassic Park is its own property, different from the Isle
grand brook
because the rex and utah sound similar WHEEZE
barren zephyr
Uhh no
craggy scarab
Unless you are specifically referring to a suggestion it’s best you take this to #401464048610312195
umbral stone
its the discussion
barren zephyr
We are still debating the wrist thingie
indigo sun
They are Trevor. Latest suggestion cries about utah wrists and feathers and how it's too JP
jagged badge
I think any big featherless wrong wrist raptor is similar to jp
jagged badge
I think he was just putting in an input no need to be rude about it
umbral stone
when a suggestion doesnt reflect your views, you refer to it as whining and crying
indigo sun
Sorry, it's how i've begun referring to all feedback/suggestions like that
unborn quail
What if told you Utha is actually another animal called 'Novaraptor' who comes from a game this one shares multiple lore based connections with. Oh and guess what, it had pronated wrists too
jagged badge
You should try to change your point of view maybe, it does help to be more open minded and less rude in discussions
mellow maple
I'm still iffy about that myself tbh.
indigo sun
Ok
mellow maple
Yeah, it's a new ...archosaur??? I guess
But if that's the case, we can make our fictional creatures, right?
barren zephyr
Yea you can
grand brook
are they really gonna call it Novaraptor?
mellow maple
New genera ahoy
umbral stone
this isnt me raging out on the inaccuracies of this game, its me being genuinely disappointed that the game would prefer to ride off of the success of popular media and films then make itself something interesting and unique
barren zephyr
There is the jp influence, yes
unborn quail
@grand brook Probably.
grave karma
we know that they're renaming it
umbral prairie
if you said that oyu don't like how they look, that's fine imo, but using 'it isn't accurate' or 'it isn't innovative' or 'it's bad because JP had it like that too' don't make much sense to me. It's a game about recreated dinosaur-like creatures that have been genetically altered to fit their environment (see spino for example) which has 2 dinosaurs that sound similar to dinos in a movie and one of those dinos also has similar looking hands. Everything else is new and unique, they can add some things they like that aren't accurate or new imo
unborn quail
We do
mellow maple
It doesn't look like a Utah, not even the skull is right. So I'm gonna complain about Utah, I might as go all in and complain about the whole thing.
hearty umbra
Yes indeed I bought the isle last year because I saw those utah jp wrists that I love oh so much come on now no one fucking cares.
mellow maple
It's all trash, make Nova burn in a dumpsters, no one likes him.
jagged badge
If it’s Novarapror wouldn’t that mean it isn’t the same size as a Utahraptor
unborn quail
grand brook
Original Species do not steal
unborn quail
Yes
jagged badge
Honestly they should just make a new Utahraptor maybe to be just a larger more accurate depiction, idk
mellow maple
original genus* do not steal plsss Dx reeeee
unborn quail
They won't @jagged badge
umbral stone
which does this look most similar to
mellow maple
Fucking, someone else should mod in accurate utah to make us paleo nerds quiet SMH
jagged badge
It’s a shame
umbral stone
grand brook
sound similar to dinos in a movie, that's an understatement seeing how the sound effects are the same
umbral stone
mellow maple
EWWWWWWWWW
grave karma
uhh??
hearty umbra
does the utah wrists bug you so much that you wont play the game ?
barren zephyr
I mean, the utah is also based off Novaraptor which is from Primal Extinction
mellow maple
Nah, I'll still play this game, I just think it looks bad.
barren zephyr
Not only jp raptor
mellow maple
I'm just very vocal about it
umbral stone
mellow maple
Ah perfection
umbral prairie
I also think it looks bad
mellow maple
👏 ❤
umbral prairie
but I'm fine with the devs thinking it looks good
unborn quail
Raptor-Rex
mellow maple
Real chad right there
grand brook
it would be disingenious to say that the utah in the Isle is not essentially a modiffied JP raptor
umbral stone
exactly
mellow maple
Devs can think what they want. Nothing can be done about Nova hands because dondi said so. Which is fine. However, I can be vocal about my thoughts. And I think it's trash and regressive.
barren zephyr
And the last speciment of novaraptor doesnt seem that feathered now does it?
mellow maple
What have you done SMH
grand brook
ok that is actually funny
umbral stone
the whole game is already taking enough inspiration from jurassic park
the island is literally sorna
mellow maple
Novaraptor version 1 is best version.
fucking fight m- wait we need to go else where, we're far from utah hand talk now
grand brook
in concept
lament kayak
I have no idea what sorna is tbh why did I even ask
umbral stone
why are we bringing up novaraptor
grand brook
Jesus, that head
umbral stone
well
grave karma
v3 isnt feathered
umbral prairie
because that might be the new name for utah
lament kayak
because the utahraptor is a soon to be novaraptor
umbral stone
unless its announced
mellow maple
I'll be in #401464048610312195 or #isle-lore-theories as we're leaning towards there now
grave karma
v2 is slightly feathered, and v1 is mostly feathered
umbral stone
ye
indigo sun
Idk what you meant by the map is isla sorna. neither v3 nor thenyaw, nor hope look like isla sorna
umbral prairie
no it's because there are dinos on an island
lament kayak
wasn't jp filmed in hawaii or?
umbral prairie
the concept is not innovative
I don't see a problem in that though
the game concept is different than the concept of any other game I know that has been released before TI
indigo sun
Ah yes of course, dinosaurs on an island clearly means its a direct ripoff of jurassic park. Sorry, i'm clearly not smart enough to see that obvious connection
Yeah i dont give much of a shit about innovation either
umbral prairie
most dinos are unique and fairly accurate
so I don't see a problem in taking a couple of things from other games or movies
except that the wrists look bad, but that's just my opinion
grand brook
the concept itself of dinosaurs on an island is not, but that doesn't mean that the JP "influence" is not there
mellow maple
Bottom line. 👏 ✅ | 🤛 🚫 Facts. Don't @ me
lament kayak
its okay to be inspired by something like jp
grand brook
it is, but it doesn't allow for any innovation as it remains the top pop cultural representation of dinosaurs
mellow maple
It kinda sucks tbh. If they gonna get creative with hands. Why face downward, make them upwards or something
umbral stone
its genetically created dinosaurs on a remote island with large differences to the creatures their based on, roaming free in a place that has been abandoned by man for quite some time.
sounds familiar
?
umbral stone
its abandoned
thats why the structures are covered in plant growth and mostly broken
indigo sun
I dont remember tribals or strains in jurassic park, but it's been a few years
barren zephyr
Yea, I actually dont remember seeing a neuro spoon trying to beat a hypo giga
With inhumane looking humanoids running around
umbral stone
ever heard of jurassic park 4?
barren zephyr
Cannies arent dino human hybrids tho
umbral stone
barren zephyr
umbral stone
humanoid reptilian beings?
umbral stone
concept art that has been public and talked about in the media largely for 10 years
indigo sun
If that was actually a finished product that anyone on the face of the earth could remember, then i'd say maybe you had a point. I've never seen that in my life.
barren zephyr
Largely?
Interesting I never heard about it
Although I watch multiple JP focused channels
umbral stone
im not surprised
barren zephyr
about JP lore
umbral stone
klayton?
indigo sun
Hey anyone else hear about this stuff? Cause i dont remember shit
barren zephyr
And few others
umbral stone
because klayton has covered this
in multiple videos
its common knowledge to almost anyone who knows about jurassic parks lore
umbral prairie
I don't think there is any human-lizard thing in TI except the hyper colossus
all the others are strain things afaik
there are also dinos with strains
indigo sun
The tribals are mutated humans not some weird scaly dino crossbreed
umbral stone
not talking about tribals
umbral prairie
what are you talking about
indigo sun
Well the dinosaur strains dont look like that weird scaly shit either
umbral prairie
give me a single reptile human that isn't hyper colossus
indigo sun
So what on earth are you talking about
umbral prairie
which might not be planned anymore
umbral prairie
I don't know what your big problem is here
like wow, dinos on an island where humans also exist
umbral stone
my big problem here is that the isle has a originality crisis
umbral prairie
it has been like that since the very start
barren zephyr
You see, Deathclaw and H-Carno are 2 different things
umbral prairie
I still don't get why you have such a big problem with things that also exist in some other persons ideas
umbral stone
H carno is a bulky armoured carno with a death claws head
indigo sun
Oh wow, some other illustration of a demonic-looking creature with similar demonic-looking horns because clearly using somewhat similar horns to something else that no one would think of unless looking for reasons to call something unoriginal makes it unoriginal, youre right!
umbral prairie
except it isn't death claws head
umbral stone
literally everyone calls the H carno a deathclaw
mental sleet
no ?
umbral prairie
you are the first person I hear that calls it deathclaw
barren zephyr
Never seen anyone call H carno a deathclaw
grave karma
no they dont
indigo sun
I've... never heard it called that before. Usually i just hear project hades or some shit, which is its alias (i think thats the term)
grave karma
having similar horns = deathclaw apparently
indigo sun
Oh well
umbral stone
it takes concepts from multiple different medias
indigo sun
Oh well.
umbral stone
in an attempt to grab attention
umbral prairie
what are you trying to get to here? Devs please change up the basis of what your vision about this game is, make all dinos accurate but also unique and no humans because that would be JP
barren zephyr
Like what
umbral prairie
that's just wrong
umbral stone
i get their game basis
but atm they are making it more and more like pop culture and medias ideas
im not asking them to make the game over again
im suggesting they dont do it anymore
and instead make something unique
umbral prairie
nobody will buy TI just because of hyper carnos horns. Nobody will buy TI just because rex sounds remind them of JP, or utah sounds remind them of JP, or utah hands remind them of JP raptors.
grave karma
devs want their game to relate to popular media as to get a bigger playerbase
people complain
umbral prairie
they have made many unique things
umbral stone
dongi you literally just summed up the game
umbral prairie
what is the problem with doing that though
umbral stone
because its un origional
umbral prairie
what is the problem with the games vision being something that has been thought of before
barren zephyr
Like for example I bough TI because I wanted to play a dino survival game
umbral stone
thats why i did it
barren zephyr
not because raptor borks
umbral stone
not to play jurassic park simulator
grave karma
tell that to the companies that make sequels to popular games
umbral prairie
I want to know why unoriginality is a problem when there is still very obviously own ideas and unique things there
indigo sun
I didnt buy the isle cause i saw something that looks similar to something in media. I bought it cause dinosaurs, just like other people
umbral prairie
and more of those than inspired things
umbral stone
no cos cod is an fps
umbral prairie
omg look at this game it also has guns and people on a map
all shooters are unoriginal
the own ideas don't count
everything is a rip off
umbral stone
but the isle takes the biscuit
umbral stone
theres no issue with a dinosaurs simulator, theres no issue with a multiplayer game with guns
umbral prairie
there is also no issue with dinosaurs on an island
barren zephyr
literally utah isn't utah and would never be
indigo sun
If it was jurassic park simulator i'd be building a park and watching dinosaurs escape and murder my guests