You have plenty of opportunity to get in those two bites and backing off to harass without ever getting hit
#general-feedback-discussion
bright tide
That is why utah is fast and has insane turn even when they aren't alt turning
Their fragility is balanced by their own ability
viral creek
Which one of you subhuman, uncultured apes suggested a pachy nerf?
indigo sun
Okay. Here's this. Youre Car A. Pachy is Car B. Car A is only 1000 kg. Car B is 1300. Car B rams into you. Car A is kinda gonna get fucked, no? Lots of damage, no?
echo bridge
utah isnt an all powerful rex eating god either
its a raptor that weighs less
key to victory= dont get hit
barren zephyr
What the fuck did i read
viral creek
paper oriole
What in tarnation is that shit tier suggestion
bright tide
Honestly it would be more like deciding what wins in a collision: a truck or one of those weird three wheeled cars?
paper oriole
Utah already fucks pachy
indigo sun
They both can kill each other just fine, Pachy can kill in 3, Utah in 1-2 with bleed. Neither needs to be extremely stronger than the other. It's possible you need to learn to play utah better or maybe youre just playing against Gulpy.
viral creek
cause bleed
paper oriole
I swear, rex and utah mains never stop to think for a second before posting suggestions
bright tide
the answer is probably gulpy
viral creek
lol
bright tide
only utahs with pounce will be able to kill gulpy and that is only if gulpy doesn't kill them first
viral creek
You'll know me when you see me 🙂
indigo sun
Not even pounce will save them
That emoji chance was a rollercoaster of emotions
*change
Fuck typing
bright tide
1% chance victory for the utahs and that is a generous estimate
languid tundra
Nerf pachy so my OwO raptorsona doesn't get they're ass beat
barren zephyr
bet he plays on nycta
trim cargo
i really wish there was pounce
viral creek
@trim cargo Ctrl+alt+delete that unholy suggestion before I tie your broken utah body to a cross and boil your utah friends alive right in front of you.
✝
civic carbon
there will be eventually lmao
bright tide
Just gotta wait for the recode to hit before more meaty updates can be done
I just hope they don't try to test pounce like they did last time: adding pounce and nothing else so that raptors turned into aids
indigo sun
Pounce just cant be put in yet. Wait. I doubt pounce is gonna do much for a pachy anyway. Utah goes to pounce, just leaps right over it and lands on its face.
viral creek
Ok but in all seriousness though, I hope you'll be able to shake off utahs w/pounce
languid tundra
@indigo sun they reanimated the damn thing ounce could happen in the recode
languid tundra
indigo sun
Stop bringing nycta into shit, yall got fuckin warned alreadu
thorn wagon
mutual
languid tundra
indigo sun
*already
civic carbon
chill damn
viral creek
Being shaken off won't kill you, but you'll have to press something to have a balanced landing, or risk breaking a leg
bright tide
Utah is going to have two pounce types: pinning and "riding" latch. There is supposed to be a shake off mechanic to go with it, but we never got to see it outside of broken spine shant dance
echo bridge
pachy vs utah should be somewhat like it is in Saurian when you aren't an OP super adult
languid tundra
^
echo bridge
the pounce should be able to kill a pachy that cant throw you off
but if it can shake you off(you mess up your balance or whatever the Isle will do for pounce) get ready for a no holds brawl
or run
trim cargo
indigo sun
It'd be neat if larger things like maia or para could roll over and crush the utahs on its back
bright tide
Supposedly there was a moderate to low chance of shaking them off at all. Then if you did there was a high chance they would be fine, a small chance they would get a bone break, and a very tiny chance they straight up die
You know, pouncing utahs is possible now that pachy can jump
echo bridge
rng is garbage
viral creek
I don't think it should be rng based
echo bridge
it should be based off of the condition and landing position of the utah
bright tide
They can flying tackle utahs anyway lol
echo bridge
if its thrown off and hits a wall with serious force, that should be rip leg
viral creek
Like a shant can try to shake you off, and you need to multitask between biting and dealing damage, and keeping your balance, You can also prevent bb from falling off by preforming some action manually, to balance your landing.
echo bridge
it will really only be lethal if a carni flips a utah into its mouth or a herbi gets the utah under it
bright tide
The shake off mechanic was last talked about back when progression was the main game mode and survival wasn't even an idea
echo bridge
or just gets shaken off and combo gored
bright tide
So of course the last known info is rng based
viral creek
Rng shouldn't exist when your hours of progress depend on it.
bright tide
I have no idea what the devs will do with it
Personally I would just rather run full sprint and slam my dino against a tree or rock wall and crush the little rat bastard
But I am still just salty from the days pounce was in the game lol
trim cargo
Idk why you have to say that gulpy, i mean wasnt a utah apex irl? so its not a bad suggestion...
correct me if i am wrong..
viral creek
HISSSS
barren zephyr
utah lived with acrocanthosaurus
viral creek
Do you know how many utahs I smash on a daily basis.
Do you call the filthy rats that rely on crates to justify thier existence on this world an apex predator?
And do dragon rps.
thorn wagon
Ok but dark Utah and pachy never crossed paths irl so the “it was an apex of it’s time” argument doesn’t work
bright tide
It is more like rage because you are suggesting that they nerf pachy so that it is basically a giant dryo and nothing more than free food
viral creek
I am also baised
thorn wagon
Giant dryo with landing lag*
viral creek
i may or may not go into a full on blood rage when people shit on pachy unironically, or suggest to nerf him
bright tide
Which is a dick thing to suggest because you are saying they should strip all playablity from an herbivore; a faction which already has the short end of the stick and very few viable species
Hence all the anger and disbelief
paper oriole
There's always a salty carni player who is terrible at the game crying for already poor statted herbies to be nerfed
thorn wagon
While we’re at it let’s nerf maia down to only 100 damage and break it’s knees
bright tide
Or nerf Diablo bleed more and make it slow enough for apexes to catch
thorn wagon
Trike? Rip his fucking horns off
languid tundra
Buff dilo bleed
paper oriole
Remember the idiot calling for a diablo nerf because one killed his utah after he attacked it
indigo sun
Practically none of these things lived together. We cant do shit about "irl" cause that shit doesnt matter. This is for balance, not real life.
And yeah, maybe consider the other fuckin players in this scenario. Most herbivores arent doing too hot against things in their tier. Biting a pachy is like stabbing a bloodbag with a butcher knife already. It doesnt need a nerf when it takes longer to grow than a maia and it bleeds out super easily.
thorn wagon
Dryo? You need a quick time event to build your burrow right or it collapses on top of you as soon as you get in
bright tide
Para? Well...para is kinda bad already
paper oriole
Trike: each time a rex 1 calls a random trike on the server gets a broken leg
sick crescent
Who disturb my sleep
indigo sun
Play both sides of a fight before making a suggestion, dont just use one side as a basis for everything. That's like going into a debate only knowing one side of the argument.
bright tide
Yeah, but honestly it could be a step closer to great if its flail wasn't so janky
trim cargo
pachy heads were mostly for display though right?
viral creek
But seriously as much as I want to bite off this man's head and serve his organs on a platter to his utah friends for even thinking about nerfing pachy, I think he gets the idea and it's not worth bashing him for.
languid tundra
I did a thing
viral creek
where's my pachy emote when you need it
indigo sun
We dont know anything about how pachy lived in real life and that doesnt matter at all anyway. And that's pachy's only form of defense.
lament kayak
Ew.
thorn wagon
Gulpy you spoke too soon XD
barren zephyr
uwu deelo❣
lament kayak
What did I just stumble across lul
civic carbon
a kid getting ripped into lmao
thorn wagon
A nerf pachy suggestion
barren zephyr
Greatness
paper oriole
A shitty utah main suggestion
civic carbon
just watch, dont speak
languid tundra
Here we go
paper oriole
Nothing new
bright tide
Dark, I already told you that they have found evidence that they used their skulls to fight
viral creek
He's mine to torture
indigo sun
And yeah, there is evidence they used their heads to hit things
Dents in the skull and stuff
viral creek
Awez
civic carbon
true
indigo sun
Awez
civic carbon
i mean=
indigo sun
Bad.
bright tide
I like pachy just fine
barren zephyr
Oh no what did awez do this time
viral creek
No wonder kissen gave you a strike
bright tide
It is just that I sold my soul to the devil potato
lament kayak
@viral creek I feel bad for you, your son has been disrespected
paper oriole
Pachy is in the same boat as cera imo, good enough offensive stats but needs help on bleed res/heal
lament kayak
#PrayForPachy
civic carbon
and stam
civic carbon
pachy is shit with stam
lament kayak
fucken utah mains
barren zephyr
Nerf pachy
languid tundra
@civic carbon it has stam up there with allo and maia
viral creek
👁 👁
civic carbon
fr?
viral creek
🗡
civic carbon
i've always seen people complain about its stam drain
languid tundra
It has great stam
civic carbon
huh
lofty sundial
probably cos they are jumping all the time 
languid tundra
Pachy jump sucks
thorn wagon
Davis it hasn’t even been a week, it’s been like 15 hours only since giga croc
mellow fox
get your screenshot people it's gonna be a dirty delet from Awez
Anyway Pachy is in a bad spot already, there is zero reason to nerf it. If anything pachy would deserve bonebreak on smalls and a better bleed resistance
paper oriole
Pachy swim and jump stam 
Like i understand not being a good swimmer but holy shit
viral creek
better bleed res is priority
mellow fox
And Utah can just avoid fighting pachy by running away and getting on rocks or crates
civic carbon
oh its probably swim stam they're complaining about lmao
thorn wagon
Wait
When you realize Giga croc and nerf pachy were both made by the same person within 15 hours of each other
I’m dead
civic carbon
awez has the idea
barren zephyr
really??
paper oriole
Y i k e s
thorn wagon
Yeah
viral creek
didn't i technically start the giga croc meme tho
viral creek
With the picture of that fasolasuchus
civic carbon
giga croc was from raven lmao
lofty sundial
wtf is giga croc?
sick crescent
barren zephyr
I’d like to say I’m surprised but I’m not...
thorn wagon
Hold on trikkel
lament kayak
Fucken pepega
paper oriole
Is that their utah fursona's name i womder
lament kayak
Guys ima add a tarbosaurus suggestion lol funny 
paper oriole
Hawhaw
barren zephyr
viral creek
I was about to write an entire essay suggesting people to play pachy, and why but then i realized i'd probs get striked for that
lament kayak
dawndi where is muh tawbowsarwas
bright tide
do a gorgosaurus one too
mellow fox
Giga croc was made by me and Gulpy not this ripper dude as well as the colored version was made by EyeSeeYou
So yeah pachy needs a buff not a nerf
barren zephyr
The original suggestion was that darkdino guy tho
civic carbon
i remember seeing gigacroc come from raven
lament kayak
Wait no
barren zephyr
maybe giga should run at 50 kms because irl giga was abel to run at 50 km and i think rex shouldnt be fast because it kills giga too easy. maybe giga should be able to drown rexes in water if they ever fight in water like crocs do when death rolling deer Darkdinoripper2007 5:54 AM CST 8/20/2019
civic carbon
right after i was high and though alberto was called abertasaurus
mellow fox
Oh right... I remember now the suggestion... Yeah that was him oof
bright tide
Oh yes, the giga buff suggestion
thorn wagon
Boi I was the 1 who alerted the masses to Giga croc XD
bright tide
I thought that one was a joke
barren zephyr
Lmao one of the many giga buff suggestions
lament kayak
@thorn wagon you were lol
indigo sun
Why does this dude keep going off of "real life"
thorn wagon
I can safely say I added something to this community
lament kayak
muh realism
indigo sun
He knows this game isnt realistic right?
barren zephyr
📰
lament kayak
Okay you win
mellow fox
Probably you two shouldn't emote spam unless wanting to get a mod strike. We should go back into suggestions discussion
lament kayak
yeah true true
bright tide
As far as minor herbi balance goes that would probably help even after recode:
Dryo: dryo is dryo. All it really needs is a smoother, more refined burrow system if they are going to keep that ability
Galli: feels pretty stable, but facking hell it never seems able to heal anything off, so it could probably use a minor heal buff of some sort
Pachy: obviously a bleed resist and heal buff, then it can be amazing
Maia: pretty solid, I can't really think of anything to buff
Diablo: also pretty solid
Para: needs to figure its shit out and decide if it is the brawler hadrosaur or just another flight herbi that can pack a punch if it absolutely has to
Trike: this guy needs the damn recode before anyone can figure out what to do with them
barren zephyr
maia is beyond solid
its the most broken ass op creature Ingame and you cant convince me otherwise
sick crescent
Galli is fine
paper oriole
Maia is perfect shush
sick crescent
Maia needs a growth time nerf, and that’s all
barren zephyr
nah
paper oriole
Maia purges dilos and utah RPers, a true hero
sick crescent
The only reason it’s everywhere is cause it’s amongst the only two viable herbivores
Technically three
barren zephyr
maia's need to stop being assholes at every hypo event
barren zephyr
dibble and galli are the only balanced herbivores
sick crescent
It’s possible to kill Maias with Utah and Dilo
thorn wagon
It’s the player not the dino
mossy mauve
both maia and carno need a tiny bit longer growth
barren zephyr
its the dino
sick crescent
The mains of Utah and Dilo just
paper oriole
Maia purges the trash utahs
paper oriole
Of which there are many
sick crescent
Make it seem worse than it actually is
barren zephyr
sick crescent
Diablo is balanced but semi-viable in this meta
bright tide
My only real issue with maia is the damn turn glitch
barren zephyr
maia 3 taps dilo while being faster than it and growing at the same speed
sick crescent
growing
paper oriole
Utah 2 taps pachy (due to bleed) while growing faster
barren zephyr
it also has a decent turn and is one of the fastest self healing creatures
bright tide
I find diablo viable. its calls and movement sounds are just noisy as fuck and everything can hear you from miles away
sick crescent
Utah and Dilo can kill a Maia
barren zephyr
dibble is viable
indigo sun
Doesnt diablo beat the shit out of allos and stuff?
sick crescent
2
barren zephyr
Okay sure azure get on toomanybirds and solo me as utah while im maia
bright tide
Well, yes, but you rarely find other diablos and you can always find massive packs
sick crescent
Yur funny
paper oriole
Diablo can stand up to a (not great tier) sucho from my experience
Or maybe they were shit suchos
bright tide
Shit suchos
sick crescent
Sucho beats the shit out of Diablo
bright tide
Diablo needs friends to tap out with to take on a sucho
paper oriole
Ok diablo can beat shit tier suchos lol
sick crescent
Only herbivore that tier that can beat Sucho is Para or Sub Trike
You’d be surprised what Para can do
bright tide
They just lay on too much damage and bleed too fast compared to diablo dps
barren zephyr
this has turned into #401464048610312195 lol
paper oriole
Hnnn, how about swap pachy and maia growth... Then reduce both by 30min cus we need MORE HERBIS
viral creek
👍
sick crescent
Reducing growth times is making for a shitty excuse on why they should be weaker than Carnivores
Which I don’t want them to be
indigo sun
"This takes less time to grow than me how come it can fight me so well?"
paper oriole
Well the salty carnis who think attacking a herd should be like a trip to burger king can deal with it
bright tide
That is because so far that is all they are used to. They just get together in massive packs and swarm herds to death and then bitch the moment something gets buffed and makes that too hard to do
indigo sun
I dont think reducing growth times is specifically the way to encourage herbivore players. You'd be better off giving them something unique like that elder thing or some shit and giving players a reason to play the herbivore to achieve the thing
bright tide
Honestly I would wait to suggest the elder/prime system again until we see what the affinity thing does
paper oriole
So far herbis have no endgame in sight other than getting slaughtered by one of the many new carni features so reduced growth would at least be a start
bright tide
Then after we know how the system works the elder/prime system can be suggested again with a more solid base of reason since we would have a better idea of how to possibly integrate it
indigo sun
I'd fuckin love if the devs said anything more than "oh yeah... they'll get something.. i guess." Thats the only information i want.
barren zephyr
Ppl just praise maia for being a herbivore but forget it is the most broken creature ingame smh
paper oriole
The devs are carni biased they probably view herbis as a mere afterthought as they stroke rex
bright tide
Well, not all of them
viral creek
I don't think that's the case
Players just bitch and moan whenever a herbivore has the upper hand over a carnivore. And I guess it somehow convinces them to change it
bright tide
but you have to admit that after solidly locking them out of strains - which is understandable from a couple of different perspectives - they are harder to give a unique thing to
At least something that isn't herd locked
indigo sun
I'm not gonna get into that discussion, but for real, it'd be nice if we got something more than a vague "they'll get something." Because they showed off all the shit carnivores are getting as an endgame. And i cant believe in a stupid "yeah sure whatever herbis will get something." I'd like some basic idea of it.
paper oriole
Herbis will get... New and improved death animations!
indigo sun
Herbivores will get the rare chance to turn into an actual mcdonald's big mac upon death, but only if you got the right affinity!
bright tide
Well, let's rack our brains and think of something that can count as an end game goal within a dino's life, that can be unique only to herbivores, and isn't herd locked
paper oriole
Herbis have a 30% chance to spawn in front of a rex and be movement locked each time they log in
civic carbon
elder life lol
mellow fox
Well, some herbivores were changed / nerfed because they made herds untouchable.
Not saying all nerfs were good or justified, but definitely untouchable herds were a problem, so it's not about some tinfoil hat anti-herbi agenda, but it's a survival game, so definitely you don't want herbivores to be untouchable as a herd. Ideally both carnivores and herbivores should be concerned about their survival and not just have it easy when it's a given
civic carbon
although carnis get it too
bright tide
Exactly, so that wouldn't be unique only to herbivores
civic carbon
they might get better buffs then carni
paper oriole
Now herbi herds get mass slaughtered lul
bright tide
The information I really want is lore information. Why? Because lore is one reason strains are locked to preds. If we knew more about the lore of the game, it would be possible to lore lock a Prime system to herbivores
mellow fox
Well yeah, currently it turned upside down
From too strong to pathetic, it's definitely a problem
lament kayak
herbis are fun af uuhhh yeah uhhh add theri uhhh
civic carbon
jokes aside, i think the strains were tested for military stuff
bright tide
They were, they were developed to be used as weapons as far as the old known lore is concerned
Anyway, between knowing the lore and learning about future mechanics and how they work is pretty much what we need to help make something unique to herbivores that would feel like suitable end game goal
Heck, maybe the devs have already gotten something down and we won't have to worry about it anymore
agile siren
sucho should not be faster than allo
agile siren
how?
valid flower
Your basically buffing the rex and nerfing its speed
agile siren
you never played trike?
agile siren
trike kills rex if rex isnt carful
valid flower
Nah if the rex is retarded
indigo sun
I will agree yeah, trike has close to no chance against rex unless it's literally braindead, and trike cant even run from rex
indigo sun
That is often the case
valid flower
Focusing on buffing rex again? lmfao no.
agile siren
well then buff trike, aint that hard man
valid flower
Rex got too many buffs
barren zephyr
@agile siren thats less balanced than what we have rn
valid flower
Ok it might be balanced against gigas but not any other dinos like trike
barren zephyr
32km 1min+ stam
indigo sun
I'll slightly agree with the giga thing, specifically the biteforce
barren zephyr
do you only play allo?
agile siren
@barren zephyr its not the exact stats I just think rex is too fast
@barren zephyr is that ok?
valid flower
Your asking for a weight buff?
barren zephyr
no.
valid flower
That's insanley op.
Rex takes like 7 bites to kill a trike, you wanna make it 4 bites now?
agile siren
dude theres no need to flip yer shit chill jerry
barren zephyr
rex having shit stamina is part of its balance and being able to not regain it while running ffs
indigo sun
Why the fuck would it need to regen stam while walking
agile siren
rex is faster than dibble also the stam isnt shit, its the regen
vestal rune
Rex is actually in one of the best balanced states it's been in a while, trike is just too weak
valid flower
Rex already has shitty stam, thats the cost of being fast, and it doesnt regen while walking AND it regens slow.
I agree fire
agile siren
i agree about trike being a underpower but my main issua with rex is regen and speed
vestal rune
Speed is fine
agile siren
rex being able to out run dibble is not ballanced
valid flower
I think a normal speed nerf NOT AMBUSH should be done.
vestal rune
Yes it os
barren zephyr
your rex suggestion will make dibble and sucho unviable
valid flower
Cause a rex is faster than a giga without ambush.
And a rex is an ambusher.
Not a athlete runner
agile siren
also the amush is 43km/h
vestal rune
It should be
barren zephyr
it is for 6 secs
agile siren
it should have a good ambush but not that good
vestal rune
It can only catch shit if it's breathing down their neck
valid flower
But yeah, trike is horrible
and I think they should focus mostly on the trike
and balancing it. Atm its useless being one
6 hours to grow just to be fucked by a pear of rexes or gigas easily.
And trike was one of the strongest dinos in the Cretaceous period
sad
agile siren
giga shouldnt have that much damge for the amount of bleed it dose tho
umbral prairie
I think the idea of giga being slightly faster than rex is good, since atm giga can't try to bleed rexes out since the rexes can catch up if the giga tries to run away again (I have seen gigas do it, but the rexes they fought were trash) and the idea of nerfing gigas damage, but I think rexes ambush speed, stam and weight are fine. It's supposed to be an ambusher, and even though the ambush is fast it is so short that the rex only runs 65 meters or so with it's ambush (It doesn't start running at full speed so it is even less, maybe 50 or 55 meters) so it needs to be very close to catch anything
if you give it more stam, it would start running things down, which is the last thing a rex should do
I think rex doesn't regen stam while trotting so it is more important for rexes to land the ambush, because they would trot after their prey and be able to set up another ambush relatively quickly if they had stam regen while trotting, but I think a very slow stam regen while trotting would be fine for it, maybe 5 to 7 minutes from 0 to full stam
barren zephyr
giga should not bleed out rexes easily
i really hate the bleed system
just bite shit few times and watch them die cause they cant catch you is BS af
umbral prairie
this might sound weird but I'm not a fan of bleed being a DOT. Imo it just doesn't make sense if you sit down to heal bleed as a sucho and then a utah can one bite you because the bleeding lowered your health.
not sure how you could make bleed something else though
maybe it could be it's own stat? So bleeding causes you to lose blood, and once you healed the bleeding you regenerate blood again. Maybe if you lost X percent of blood you lose stam faster, regenerate health (or maybe also stam) slower, attack a bit weaker etc, and once you lost too much you die. The difference would be that after you healed the bleeding you still need to regenerate your blood, and the more blood you have the faster your health regenerates too. Instead of always being at full strength at everything but health you can still take some hits even when heavily bleeding, but it is harder for you to defend yourself.
idk I probably missed some problems that would come with that
and I probably explained it very badly
barren zephyr
Good idea ^
barren zephyr
i noticed i said should isntead of "should not"
my bad.
umbral prairie
nah it shouldn't be easy
but I think it should be possible
if giga gets a damage nerf (which would be nice) it could really not do anything against rex (It can still trot away, yes, but I think every apex should have some chance to beat the other apexes in some way)
running in on a rex would still be risky af
but you have the chance to get away
this all might be irrelevant with collision and locational though since a rex biting the tip of your tail wouldn't do anything to you anyway
umbral prairie
@frigid swan I think a low apex population should be achieved through hard apex growth and more variety in gameplay of the other dinos instead of just setting a hard cap
frigid swan
@umbral prairie that's actually a great idea,
barren zephyr
@umbral prairie With your idea, maybe there could be some use for blood transfusion for humans. Either for humans themselves if they loose, or maybe even dinos
teal grotto
@barren zephyr AND WE HATE THE REX BONE BREAK.... rather be bleeding then be limping for the next half hour...
barren zephyr
i rather be dead instantly than bleed slowly to death while i cant do anything about it
violet magnet
the original problem was that you'd bleed out after a fight even if you won, now the problem is that even if the other guy is on literally 1% HP but u die first and he sits he gets off scot-free
sOLVED??
barren zephyr
it should be probably seperate meter and sitting down would slow it down
finite perch
@keen trail can you add to your suggestion that it leaves food everywhere, and once body dragging is implemented itll be a problem?
keen trail
Oh yes
The most recent suggestion pretty much shits on all bleeders and gives them no use. If the bleed will heal that fast, bleeding out won’t be a thing anymore. Most bleeders have less health, so they can’t risk it too often. Also if dilos are bleeding out something like an allo, that has good bleed heal, the dilos will need more than 10 seconds to properly coordinate another safe attack without risking being bitten, which usually takes around a minute.
jovial moss
u can just @ me u know
also this would come with a complete rebalancing, so an allo may not take 10 seconds to heal its bleed
it's just an idea, the times could be longer, but atm bleed healing still takes way too long, the risk of dying to bleed well after your attacker has already died is way too high
bright tide
@jovial moss they are already reworking bleed in the recode
jovial moss
I'm loosely aware, but to what degree they're redoing it is still unknown
Hopefully it's not going to take so long to heal bleed like it is currently
bright tide
Honestly, between the bleed rework and locational damage, bleed will be nothing like it is now
We just have to wait and see what we get before any balance suggestions can be made
keen trail
^
jovial arch
When you’re reading the suggestions and like 50% of them are suggestions to change stats or other systems that are being changed
dreamy wharf
S'usually how it goes.
Anyways.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401464048610312195/601552240477601813/30678b1a80508f7f2798c796dc06fd2a.png @barren zephyr
barren zephyr
Yes
Something like that would be very fun :3
Though I was thinking more like...
but with less water
xD
viral creek
More water
dreamy wharf
A tallgrass marshland would be neat, but I doubt they'd have something as perfectly cut like that.
viral creek
gimme wetlands
barren zephyr
kinda like the grasslands in the lion king
dreamy wharf
I'm sure they'll use the grass, otherwise this game is a scam. :P
dreamy wharf
Yeah, I gotcha.
I just wanted to show the fact that they're (< the developers, considering the image above is one of those donteasers.) also interested in employing long grass for biomes.
barren zephyr
xD im really bad at explaining stuff so i have to find visual references
dreamy wharf
No worries, I'm the same way.
viral creek
Wouldn't mind this kind of tropical grassland either
dreamy wharf
Honestly, it seems like it'd have a likely chance of atleast being considered.
barren zephyr
yeah like that
viral creek
That kind of grassland would fit very well with the new rainforest biome we're getting.
thorn wagon
Wasn’t there actually gonna be a tall grass marsh for deinosuchus on hope
I remember seeing it a while ago in a dondi stream
Probably gonna be on the right most island with the river delta
barren zephyr
@keen trail just because bleeders have to think more and not bite few times and wait doesn't shit on bleeders
craggy scarab
@barren zephyr we got a glimpse of new tall grass foliage that can hide a raptor. While not a full biome, it’s an improvement.
barren zephyr
@craggy scarab Someone pointed that out to me earlier, made me pretty excited :3 I hope to see it in game soon™!
pure fossil
@barren zephyr " giant carnivorous plants" Seriusly, you hate the Juv stage? hahahahahaa all the juvis will die no for a dino, but for a plant LOL
love the idea xD
vestal rune
think those are confirmed lol
umbral prairie
dondi talked about plants that eat you, about plants that are 'much less merciful than that' and plants that will change your dino
maybe some other ones I don't remember anymore
pulsar lake
Unique alimentation can be a good idea I think.
indigo sun
isnt that already planned though
pulsar lake
For herbs
Not for carnis
That can creat an entire ecosystem with some kind of biome where you find more kind of plant than another one and so more a kind of herbs so you find some type of species of carnivores.
viral creek
Let's make a pachy only biome
Any other creature that enters gets suffocated by toxic gas, that only pachies can breath
indigo sun
yes
nocturne sonnet
omg gulpy i like pachy to but that is to much
viral creek
Excuse me?
indigo sun
that's perfect though
viral creek
👁 👁
jovial moss
no pachy biome is a great idea
indigo sun
pachy can never be bad if nothing can kill it
nocturne sonnet
ok 3 pchy members vs 1 little unfair haha
viral creek
One of us
jovial moss
the gas is just a toxin pachhies naturally exhale when they breathe in oxygen
new attack
run up to a rex and gas it until its unconscious
viral creek
Then smack it to death
jovial moss
brittle ivy
@scenic slate @jovial moss @teal grotto @rocky vapor @paper oriole @keen trail @agile siren @lofty ivy @viscid flame @lament kayak @barren zephyr @pulsar lake @brisk copper @craggy walrus @barren zephyr For all of you pinged here that remain, please note your new strikes (and elevated strikes for some). Do not create words spelling expletives or other insults under suggestions and/or contribute to them created by others. Suggestions and suggestion discussion are channels for constructive criticism, not brutish or childish behavior.
agile siren
I did not ping anyone
brittle ivy
Contributing to the spelling of an expletive emote is not recommended in the slightest
barren zephyr
i was pretty sure the original suggestion was a troll suggestion
brittle ivy
Regardless
brittle ivy
If you would like to discuss this, please DM me.
lament kayak
yeah I just got a question about one thing
brittle ivy
Please DM so we do not further clutter this channel.
jovial moss
I'm sorry 
I didn't mean any harm by it but it was still childish and I apologize
craggy walrus
Sorry about that
proud saddle
@craggy scarab i think the foliage you posted used to be in the testlevel
minor basalt
What foliage?
umbral prairie
there was tall grass in testlevel?
minor basalt
ohh yeah i remember now
brittle ivy
Ah, yeah, the reeds
minor basalt
I don't think they were the same though were they
brittle ivy
I think they were different, yeah
paper oriole
The game doesnt even use hitboxes
indigo sun
@pure fossil 1.) The isle doesnt use hitboxes ATM. It uses physics collision. 2.) That's a bug, thus doesnt belong in #general-feedback. 3.) That's something that should be fixed in the recode. Constantly complaining about how you died doesnt make it come any faster.
paper oriole
Its messed up by deathly's spaghetti code which they are WORKING ON
umbral prairie
hitboxes are likely getting fixed with the recode
or at least a lot better
ofc the latency is still an issue
that you can't really ever fix
pure fossil
Well, i tell the problem many times its needit, cause is panfull. Sorry if was a bug and not a suggestion, idk that was a bug
barren zephyr
@pure fossil many times it has been said that its latency problem
indigo sun
Did you think it was a feature or some shit?
indigo sun
And the devs are well aware of the issue. So again, constantly complaining doesnt make the issue go away faster.
pure fossil
kk, will see if thats true
craggy scarab
@proud saddle the one I posted was what Dondi shared and I believe that is new custom grass.
craggy scarab
Also @pure fossil Foszor talked about that very issue on Paladin’s stream 2 months ago in pretty decent detail.
thorny lynx
How does physics collision work when Trike can hit something with his ass on the left side
There isn't even collision right now
ebon trout
Clearly it doesnt work lol
indigo sun
"right now basically every polygon on the character is trying to check if it was hit or not, and that's not a good way to go when there's latency involved." it's not actual collision it's just trying to see if the polygons collided i guess, and latency can cause issues with it
ebon trout
Yeah I still do not buy that its a purely latency issue. I mean i have had so many instances where all 5 people see the bite connect (including the one being bit) And it simply does not connect. I mean if it was desync and latency wouldn't we all see different things? This kind of thing is not my field of expertise, it just seems logical that if desync and such was the issue we would not all see the same exact thing.
bright tide
It probably isn't visible latency. I've played games where a millisecond of lag - which typically isn't noticeable - can mean the difference between hitting or missing the hitbox of the target, or in this case allowing the polygons to communicate and figure out if any actually connected or if they missed each other by the barest margin.
ebon trout
Yeah and if that is the case in my opinion the latency is not the only factor. If it cannot detect a hit due to a "millisecond of lag" something is wrong
bright tide
which is why they are figuring out ways to make it work better or find something else that is better than what we have now lol
wild rose
@valid flower but trike is not the worst apex
wild rose
None you just have to know how to play them not to mention trike has one of the most broken hitboxes in the game
paper oriole
trike is the worst apex
not by much but it is still the worst
rex can break its leg and assride it, giga can bite it a few times and tank trike's bleed with its superior resistance, then walk around it and bleed it out
trike pretty much relies on the rex or giga not knowing how to fight
viral creek
I only play trike on sandbox because I like trike as an animal, not worth the time on survival
However, just saying "Work on it" isn't going to get you far. Be specific. In what way is it bad? HOW can they fix it?
paper oriole
with luck trike will at least be helped by collision and locational damage
but atm its's basically a trip to the market for rex and giga
you say trike as a broken hitbox while rex bites shit behind it lol
wild rose
I said one of the most I’m aware Rex has shit killing shit for it
paper oriole
so that's not really an argument against trike being the worst current apex, which it is
wild rose
I’m sure the recode will fix it tho
paper oriole
it might
wild rose
The answer to all these discussions is simply “I hope the recode fixes it or the recode will fix it”
#buffgiga
I’m out
paper oriole
lol buff giga
ebon trout
I disagree trike is the worst apex. Trike can only really consistently be killed by giga's bleeding them out. Once a rex breaks your leg it will no way ride the ass of a skilled player, trike turn while leg broke is great. If a trike can avoid one bite trike wins. I think its fairly balanced. I would say it goes Giga, Trike, Rex
Gigas only real counter is a rex (and thats if it can catch it) Rex can be killed pretty easily by trikes, while also being killed pretty easily by small packs of mid tiers. Trike gets destroyed by gigas if they play to their strengths and just trade shots and bleed the trike out.
wild rose
I agree it’s fun taking trikes down as gigas
ebon trout
People who say there is no point in growing trikes. DM me Ill send you a invite to our community discord you can join some of our deathballs we do with trikes
ebon trout
Eh even when we have 3 we shit stomp everything lol
wild rose
If your so scared of Rex’s
ebon trout
But good advice
paper oriole
i have a feeling that if people are logging while you try to RP mate with them, it isnt the game's fault...
wild rose
Yeah trike is pretty strong even 2rexs v 1 trike can put the Rex’s on 3rd blood screen or even kill at least 1 rex
Had experiences myself
ebon trout
Yes, ive many times killed one rex before 2 can kill me
It also hits at a crazy range with its broken "hit range" and its stomp can hit someone up to 3 seconds after the animation finishes reliably (i have tested this several times on a private server)
finite perch
im with buff trike, you're lucky they're only logging and not attacking you lol
unless its the nesting feature, in which males will be needed eventually and dinos wont asexually nest?
ebon trout
Why would you want to buff the second strongest apex tho?
wild rose
Yeah the whole combat system seems to be broken most of the time when I try to bite directly on the enemy it won’t work so this is why most people drag their attacks
paper oriole
lol which apex is trike stronger than
ebon trout
Rex
paper oriole
lmao
ebon trout
I kill rexes regularly 1v1
ebon trout
Nah even the good ones
paper oriole
ive killed rexes too, retarded impatient ones
ebon trout
Like i said dm me ill send you a community discord invite and we will show you what we do with our trikes
We regularly purge every rex on the server lol
lament kayak
stomp n gore
ebon trout
I have probably 600 hours on trike alone. In my experience they are the second strongest apex. Of course tho this is just opinion based on personal experience
wild rose
600?damn you are one dedicated and patient person
ebon trout
I like my trikes. TO be fair though each trike typically lasts 3-4 weeks of playtime
So not a whole lot of it is growing lol
I throw more trikes into sinkhole then trikes that get killed
after 4 weeks of failing to die in glorious combat, sinkhole begins to call your name
bright tide
@trim cargo mating isn't a thing in the isle for a couple of reasons.
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Nesting and "mating" are far from complete mechanics right now and males are not even necessary for a female dino to gestate and incubate eggs.
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While it is intended to make males matter in the future, it is still solely up to the female to decide if she wants to spend time camping a nest and trying to get takers for eggs that won't instantly yeet themselves into oblivion because either their skin turned out to be fugly as all hell or they didn't get the species they wanted. Some assholes just egg hop freely to waste other people's time because they find it hilarious.
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even when males matter, it would be pretty damn stupid to force lock people into a "mate" status to force them to stick with other people. Some people just don't get along with other people and don't find that out until after playing with them.
thorn wagon
Plus even if a male mates with a female officially what’s stopping them from logging anyway, or the male logging after doing so
viral creek
@trim cargo I'm sure you have a very vivid imagination, you should use it. 
bright tide
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a trend of "deadbeat dads" where male dino players just make an egg and bail cause they don't want to have to hang around for ages waiting for the kid to be travel able
barren zephyr
What did dark dino post
bright tide
I mean, they do that already because they don't even have to be around in the first place, but I imagine it will be more of a problem with the female dinos have to have a male around in order to have more than one egg
thorn wagon
“i dont get why mating isnt a thing in the isle. everytime i try to get a mate they always log or leave which is stupid because femals SHOULD mate with males”
That arc
bright tide
Basically they want to force people to stay in their pack
thorn wagon
^
bright tide
All under the pretense of "getting a mate"
thorn wagon
What if someone has a job to go to “You can’t leave and live your life now give me some damn kids”
bright tide
More amusing is the fact the most animals irl do not have set mates
bright tide
Most of the time you just have wandering males that tap and run or a lead male of a group that has rights to the ladies, but doesn't do much else other than beat the shit out of challengers or defend the group as needed
And sometimes you even get a species or two that evolve to not even need males xD
There is a species of lizard that is nothing but females who just give birth to clones
thorn wagon
Or frogs that change gender if they have to
bright tide
yep
locking dinos into a human ideology - that humans can't even stick to half the time anyway- just to force others to stay in a pack or herd with someone else regardless of what they want or what is happening irl is a really dumb thing to do lol
thorn wagon
Plus you know, taking away free will
bright tide
Which is kiiiinda gross considering the context
thorn wagon
You group with someone you’d never be able to leave their side until 1 of you dies, which could be a problem if you realize your partner is a bit... prone to falling victim to natural selection, to say it lightly
bright tide
Well, hey, if they are prone to that then it won't take long to be single again xD
thorn wagon
Shit you right
bright tide
especially if you opt to help natural selection along
bright tide
yeah, no, I would just kill them
thorn wagon
not being sneaky when hunting
bright tide
hunting things that will beat them ragged in a heartbeat
bright tide
Yep
honestly I would rather just see herbivore incubation happen faster and babies become travel ready sooner so that herds aren't locked down for forever
Like, pretty much all herbivore babies in modern day are pretty much able to keep up with the herd at a typical migration pace no problem within a few hours after birth.
Granted if the herd is spooked into running or something like that, babies and mothers will get left behind, but that is life
thorn wagon
Mhm
Back to the base suggestion tho, iirc there will be affinity boosts to staying in a mated pair
Not required or anything, but gives you some buffs
lament kayak
freaky stuff
bright tide
That makes sense
I wonder if herbivores will have more of a blanket effect in a herd
thorn wagon
Like a boost for being in a herd?
bright tide
Yeah, but an extra dimension for species that actually travel with both genders present
I've already seen people making plans for "all male herds" so that they just kinda go around and drive by mate with female groups and leave
Cause again some people just don't want to deal with getting locked down with nesting
thorn wagon
Like some zebras
Male shows up, mates with females, leaves females
Fights rival bulls if need be
bright tide
Pretty much yeah
Usually zebras will keep small harem groups under the control of one stallion, but if bachelor bands can sneak some in on the sly they will
Sadly the stallion of the harem usually kills those foals though
lament kayak
you are gettin freaky jeez
bright tide
Eh? This is documented behavior
lament kayak
#401464048610312195 may be a good place to go if it gets more off topic but idk
teal grotto
And no herbivores won't get anything else changed just they can grow quicker.
crystal prairie
Maybe add a proximity based buff and debuff system to packs to even things out, while adding a cap to these effect based on pack size
barren zephyr
I would prefer that herrera should have same growth as dryos have
crystal prairie
The reason I say proximity based buff and debuff is so that it can be used in tandem with hunting as in separating members of a herd to add depth and realism to the survival experience
paper oriole
I put herrera as 15 min more than dryo since the stats are overall better
grave karma
i dont feel comfortable with herra being able to run faster than carno
grand brook
why?
viral creek
Herrera should be slower than dryo, with lower stam, but better turn rate.
Herrera dosen't need to be lightning speed to be viable, he just needs some jukes.
viral creek
Keep in mind, herra also has ambush, dryo does not
grave karma
i dont think herra should be able to raid burrows
paper oriole
I dont think herra should raid burrows either if hed already be able to climb as his unique trait
Also think dryo burrows should be expanded on since theyre such a harmless dino it wouldnt be op to let them make more complex use of it
grave karma
or nest in it
paper oriole
I suppose herreras locomotion in that suggestion could be cut down though so he's not dryo terminator
Yea i wish dryo could nest in burrows and create multiple emtrances
grave karma
like why would they not be able to nest in there
if flooding ever becomes a thing, why not make dryo burrows flood
paper oriole
Yeah it would also encourage them to burrow in highlands too where theres less flooding, kinda giving them a designated biome
violet magnet
"everytime i try to get a mate they always log or leave which is stupid because femals SHOULD mate with males"
the incels have descended upon us
something tells me this isn't the game's fault, tho 
indigo sun
Feels a bit like a nice girl. "All the hot dinosaurs log off cause they dont want me even though i 2 called and I have a nice skin but they want those other females"
random knoll
R/nicedinos
indigo sun
I still dont understand what theyre asking though. Like, mating animations? Male inclusion in nesting? A mate system similar to groups? I cant tell
random knoll
I think there saying they want people to have to stay with them and mate
By the ton and how I read it
indigo sun
Are they saying someone shouldnt be able to log out then?
random knoll
I think so
I’m guessing they found a female and then probably said some weird shit and then that persons logged
And hey don’t want them to be bale to do that
Since they should mate?
indigo sun
@trim cargo i cant understand what the fuck you mean by "mating." Do you want animations, male inclusion in nesting, a mate system like the way groups work, or do you want to force people to stay in the game because they should be your mate?
You cant force someone to stay in the game with you, if that's what you were aiming for. If they need to go or they just dont want to be your mate or whatever, it's not up to you that they cant leave
echo plank
If it's male inclusion there's the patriarch which is being added eventually I'm assuming since there's the title on the nest menu already if it's animations.. no thanks or if it's forcing people to not log out and stay with you you can't really do that because people have a life. I remember once someone suggested hatchlings shouldn't be able to log out and parents shouldn't be able to log till the babies grew up and it can't work like that because people have a life outside of the game
indigo sun
Exactly, Emily, good explanation
barren zephyr
Animations (such as cute nose boops/hearts not actual sex scenes) / male inclusion would be pretty cool though. But I’m pretty sure they’ve already stated they’re reworking nesting to give males more of a role in it lol
I think his problem lies in the fact that he’s trying to be a roleplayer & not everyone that plays this game roleplays. Lmao.
indigo sun
That might be it
echo plank
Yeah i think animations like sniffing or showing off crests could possibly work although there might not be much point to it more of like another 2 call for the opposite gender
barren zephyr
It would be kinda cool if they had like a “mating dance” kind of thing tho
echo plank
Yeah cant make people roleplay and get mad when it gets awkward and they leave haha
barren zephyr
Yeah lmao
ebon trout
Non consensual mating....Hmm almost as if that has another word for it.
"Pachys are stronger then they should be" In what world?
grave karma
pachy should be able to fuck small tiers up
somewhat defend itself against the smaller mid tiers
if not, run away
only thing really holding it back is growth time and bleed res
ebon trout
Yeah, they are definitely not stronger then they should be, If anything they need a few tweak's in the upward direction
indigo sun
@sick pecan where is there train tracks? I dont remember seeing them.
grave karma
in port, yeah
indigo sun
Ah, neat
Might be better for mercs to get food from there, rather than dinosaurs, but it's a neat idea.
barren zephyr
It would make sense for the trains to have some left over supplies like food, rarely ammo etc. for mercs
blazing charm
@teal grotto Spawning random gorepiles aroound the map would only work to make the world feel more lifeless, since with enough time playing you'd come to learn that nothing actually died to make the corpse.
The issue regarding AI should hopefully be addressed in the recode, since the current AI and pretty much everything about the current game is just a placeholder.
teal grotto
im just trying to help.. making little suggestions in.. as the whole ai thing spawning in.. means your postion got given away..
blazing charm
Again, it's just a placeholder.
craggy scarab
@teal grotto he isn’t attacking you or your suggestion
teal grotto
people type differently so... always take a little grain of salt before saying anything 😉
craggy scarab
👍
teal grotto
example i may say something dont mean it is something out of context... it might just be how i type.
etc
craggy scarab
But yeah the plan is that AI shouldn’t be broken hopefully nor will they spawn on players but have their own spawn zones (possibly) based on what biome they like best
teal grotto
if anything id rather have ai be every single dinosuar in general.. instead of it just being just certian dinosuars in general..
wanna make the world more life like? have sub adult trikes hanging with a single adult male... grazing in a field.. and have needs like everyone else.. have them F call as if stimulating chat.. fooling players that they are not ai.. people will realize of course though lol just some example of AI behavour
ebon trout
Yeah random gore piles would not be good IMO. I mean currently you see a gore pile and you know something is around. If they just randomly came it would lose that aspect of it for sure. And AI already spawns directly on top of you. I just do not see what value random gore piles spawning would bring
teal grotto
course also coding the AI to 4 call when they see apexes and other carnivores... then you have the ai defend said herd with the alt turn and will only attack with said coding that the said dinosuar uses in its life time of what it does..
just doing AI things.. make the AI act like there real life counter parts... that if anything be the best option on how to make a world feel alive.
would also make things intresting..
Course keeping the adult ais be rare..
craggy scarab
Dondi mentioned wanting to make AI nearly unrecognizable from players
ebon trout
Yes, i have heard the devs state they want more dynamic AI multiple times
normal fern
Saying something is different to actually be able to do something.
loud tapir
I think it would be really cool if you could turn 2 full grown herras in a nest into a sucho, and its rng so one player becomes adult and one becomes baby from it
vestal rune
what?
ebon trout
So two full grown herras would somehow control one sucho?
oh wait i re-read. So 2 herras would turn into 2 suchos?
grave karma
yes, 1 fully grown and one baby
indigo sun
Why would that happen?
ebon trout
Yeah how does that make any sense. Why not just grow a sucho?
grave karma
no fuckin clue
indigo sun
@loud tapir why.
outer nebula
@thorny lynx that more for the people who add stats to dinosaurs not the animator
thorny lynx
It's a decent suggestion tho, right?
outer nebula
yes how ever if you were here like a year an half ago alot of dinosaurs that does blunt force attack had bone break and was very abused, but i would suggest it be more a fracture ability which weakens bones over time
finite perch
ok but what about drag-biting tho
outer nebula
thats a problem with the hit box not working properly with the running animation
its having a hard time keeping up with the server
paper oriole
rex is an ambusher and relies on surprising its prey to get the first aimed strike on BB. I'm sure that if rex suffers they'll jump right on buffing him to be an apha again
lament kayak
indeed
paper oriole
also assriding will do a lot less
lament kayak
face break
paper oriole
on many at least
outer nebula
@thorny lynx there was no evidence of that and they are doing more of a jurassic park influence world
paper oriole
idk the raptor wrists are pretty JP lol
thorny lynx
I have the right to want this
paper oriole
they said feathers will come into play later
probably not soon though
i kinda doubt dilo will get feathers though
outer nebula
also dilos lived before the age of feathers but ill discuss this in #paleotalk
paper oriole
probably raptors, theri, maybe rex will have feather option
grave karma
feathered giga
paper oriole
oh lawd
paper oriole
feathered sucho lol make him even more of a pelican
barren zephyr
PLS remove Alt Turn PLS
outer nebula
ooof no alt person
paper oriole
during rain at night i use reflections on dinos backs to hunt, i dont think it'd be fair for people like me if it went pitch black
thenyaw night is fine
think we can all agree that V3 nights are too bright though
vestal rune
what
paper oriole
the suggestion for absolute pitch black night
vestal rune
no I mean, you
paper oriole
whaat lol
vestal rune
you actually use reflections to hunt or you joking lol?
paper oriole
i do and a few others do
its actually helpful sometimes to turn nightvision off during a thunder storm and see the reflections on other dinosaurs outside of nightvision range
ive caught a good number that way
i thought it was a more common thing now i gave away my secret 8C
wintry cipher
@keen trail you have not heard of reshade evidently.
keen trail
From what I’ve seen, hardly anyone uses reshadr
vestal rune
@long heath the fact that they are juvies and subs in this game that aren't basically useless is true, but tht's actually a good thing that shouldn't really be removed(and in fact should be extended to more creatures). However it is true that apexes are WAAAY to easy to grow, but in order to make it harder I don't think they should nerf the previous stages, instead they should do things like make AI not skillessly feed you.
viral creek
@long heath Making apexes have even worse juvenile stages won't fix anything, it will just force people to want to AFK grow even more, in fact I would say it is making the problem even worse. What we really need more enjoyable juvenile stages, and ways to encourage players to go out of their bushes and risk danger.
I do agree that having ai literally spawn around carnivores is BS though.
bright tide
So far the only upside to that is that it lets herbivores know there is something in the area
keen trail
Well they are not nice people
What’s the point of playing if you will just leave the server half the time
paper oriole
apexes need to be discouraged form being idle while growing, they need to be running around and be exposed to danger. making them weaker doesnt fix that they will still just afk grow in a corner of the map
indigo sun
No one wants to play at night because you can barely see anything unless youre a dilo.
No one likes being blind as fuck
indigo sun
No. That's not how that works. "Dont play because this part of the game is unenjoyable and should be stupid miserable." Fuck no. Make night vision better before making it automatically turn on.
Make nights better for players
viral creek
What really needs to happen is that the night needs to be brighter so everybody can see, but make the shadows pitch black. Not only does it make nighttime enjoyable for more people, but it adds more skill to night hunting, as you'll need to use the shadows to your advantage.
Players will only need to use night vision in dense forests, or if they don't want to risk being ambushed from the shadows.
indigo sun
Instead of saying "well if you dont like it jsut dont play"
paper oriole
dinos shouldnt be completely blind at night, they should still be able to use the subtle movements you can see without nightvision, use reflections and shadows at the water. making night completely unbearable would harm gameplay for everybody including dilos who would have less prey to hunt in their prime time
i think dinos should also have more diverse nightvision so they arent all equally as helpless during the darkest hours
yeah thats much better than pitch black misery
long heath
God I wish the ecosystem of The Isle was an actual ecosystem.
And that the server itself would punish people who try to go too many of a species.
Like Rex.
viral creek
Punishing players for playing what they want isn't the way to go.
So if you want to try to grow a rex? Sure. Doesn't mean you're gonna get there.
Forcing players to move around or loose affinity, and make it so AI doesn't spawn around players is a way to start. Either that, or make it so AI is actually intelligent and will actively avoid juveniles, and ava will fight back.
desert mango
grave karma
devs explicitely say they dont want massive playable sauropods
people suggest massive playable sauropods
paper oriole
#SAUROPODGANG
paper oriole
LOL another apex main wanting to have an easier time making the apex overpopulation worse than it already is
umbral tartan
paper oriole
they take much longer to grow for a reason and honestly it's still too easy
people just dont get it
paper oriole
7 is a vast understatement
paper oriole
lol enter any big server and hear 50 rex roars, see gigas camping any place with utahs (utahs kinda deserve it i guess)
more rexes online than all herbis combined
sweet zephyr
I gtg lol
paper oriole
aight
viral creek
Even with modding, I doubt Grim Expanse will come back, since the mod creator changed the mod to Path of Titans mod. And works for their dev team.
sweet zephyr
But grim expanse was perfect
viral creek
I'd rather have a western desert map than a grim expanse type desert
paper oriole
i love deserts too, many do so i can only assume we'll see at least a couple come up in mods in the future
multiple types of deserta would be nice yea
paper oriole
night
empty dove
@tranquil drum if you don't have the time, split it up into different sections, maybe 30mins a day sure that'll take you 2 weeks to complete a rex but maybe you could if possible do 1 hour a day which sure takes a week to get to full adult, but trust me, it's worth it. also most people wanna make it really hard to grow apexes (which it should be) but decreasing growth times makes it EASIER not HARDER like people want it to be. if you ask me the growth times rn are perfectly fine, maybe utah should be like 1 hour to grow and dilo maybe 1 and 1/2 hours. but apex growth is fine. it allows partially good players to play apex and maybe get to full adult, but not new players.
or just deal with it and play allo, equally as fun
or dilo, very good bleed but not too strong of a bite. (probably my 2nd favourite after giga cuz giga has decent bite for its size, good turn for its size and a lot of bleed 2nd only to dilo)
formal vine
@empty dove Juvinile apexes are better than all juvinile carnivores, as the game's stats are based around Alt-turn, and so juvi rex's bad turn doesn't matter. But I do agree with your suggestion at the same time.
grave karma
a juvenile rex gets beat up by every fully grown mid tier and every small tier can outrun it
violet magnet
Rexes can already curbstomp anything in the game with relative ease. Giving them super scent so they can more easily sniff out injured prey and bully other carnivores off their kills would make their lives EVEN easier
"rexes had a great sense of smell in real-life" don't care. Game requires balance
granite vigil
I mean it was already mentioned to get "super scent"
grave karma
the devs are going for gameplay>realism
granite vigil
i ain't talking realism
I'm just saying it was said to get a much larger scent range but it would have to follow the trail slower then other more fast paced dinosaurs or something like that
grave karma
im not talking directly towards you
native nebula
the way scent works is probably getting completely rethought, so it's hard to say how much thoughts on the current setup would apply to it in future.
indigo sun
@gaunt parcel you can press Insert or Ins to bring up the character screen and check growth/stats.
gaunt parcel
indigo sun
Perhaps the trike details could be made a bit more vibrant, or the patterning on the crest slightly different. Different horns might be a little difficult if seamless growth happens, though I'm not sure since i've never dealt with something like that
vestal rune
different horns will be a general customizable option, it'd be a bit weird to make it gender based
bright tide
Also, in modern day species comparable to trike - at least in build - both males and females do their own fair share of fighting. It is just the males have a higher chance of fighting with other males within the species
paper oriole
i think males should have a wider variety of more vibrant (not neon obviously) colour options for all sections, would make it a bit easier to tell them apart
maybe theyd be more vibrant by default too, less faded
maybe the male trike could also have colour on its horns, idk if that'd be weird tho lol
paper oriole
tbh para doesnt need to be faster or stronger
he just needs to be more 'flexible' and could use a small bleed res buff perhaps
his attack hitbox is wonky, the attacks strength itself is fine
warped harbor
@stone gazelle Keep in mind admins are volunteers with other things to do other than moderating the servers. Nonetheless all you need to do in most cases is wait, an admin will get to fixing your issue at some point
They can't be there all the time
barren zephyr
para could use better healing so it isn't bled out easily
stone gazelle
@warped harbor I know that and respect that sure they have real life and everything but it is getting pretty hard to time some people try to get a admin for days now
warped harbor
Usually tagging them works
paper oriole
the ones who don't inflict bleed themselves, namely
warped harbor
Every single one of them gets notified when you use the role tag
Whenever they come online they will see it
stone gazelle
i know im not new to the game and i was amazed how fast and nice they try to help but what i sayd is true
stone gazelle
no thats what i mean...for days
warped harbor
And how many times did you @ them?
stone gazelle
4 times a day. dont want to spam it.
warped harbor
You tagged "official server admin" four times and they didn't respond?
Well now, that's just bad luck
stone gazelle
yeah but bad luck for days and more people than just me?
bright tide
Hnnn, been a while since I have seen an entitled "admins aren't waiting on people hand and foot" suggestion
The admins of this discord get bombed day and night regardless of what they are doing both in the discord and in direct messages
stone gazelle
dude if u just want to writte such things go away :D
aggressiv ddick
bright tide
They could leave their PC for five minutes and come back to 70 different messages all spanning from "hey, I have a legitimate problem" to "go fuck yourself and die you lazy shit because you didn't respond to me ten seconds after I dmed you"
So if anyone here is being an "aggressiv ddick" here, it is you and that suggestion of yours : D
As for para. That is a hard one. I've talked to herbi mains who think para is fine for the most part and just the juvies and fresh adults need to have a faster sprint speed for them to be happy with it. Then on the opposite end you have even pred mains who think para could use a buff so that they don't feel guilty for eating a free burger.
Or rather, they sad that they didn't get to have a fun hunt fighting something possibly dangerous because they found a para instead
A bleed resist/heal buff would be nice at the very least
paper oriole
only thing that needs to be actually buffed for para is his bleed res/heal
bright tide
And to have the kick fixed I think
paper oriole
im hoping the kick problem will be fixed with combat rework
if not then yeah it needs a fix too
bright tide
Same, though I am hoping that if they keep the kick, then they will make para able to turn while kicking
It feels so weird to be locked in place when para is pretty much bipedal and wouldn't be horribly at risk of losing balance
paper oriole
toupe option for feather system
sudden yew
Make Ultraraptors great again
warped harbor
That is not a legitimate suggestion, come on man.
sudden yew
Ultraraptors are the best
paper oriole
MUGA
sudden yew
^
violet magnet
made a utah trump skin
#MIGA
....not blonde/orange enough here's a better one
@swift moon ........aaaannnnd...? What's the suggestion beyond "add these feathered dinos"...?
swift moon
more realistic dinos and no more movie dinos
bright tide
Why should the devs be forced to make realistic dinos?
swift moon
this the real utahraptor the utah of the game is a velo for jurassic park movie
swift moon
only the appearance also that would help more people not get carried away by movies I do not say that the game is realistic and the hiccups are there but it would be great if the dinos looked like that I do not understand why people want to keep ignorance
bright tide
Between the strains and freaky tribals there is nothing about this game that says "realistic dinosaur survival simulator". If they want to flex their creative license and do movie inspired dinos whose anatomy at the time was based on incorrect theories then they can
Besides which outside of utah and spino the rest of the models are still fairly accurate
swift moon
You said it yourself or you are contradicting yourself with a realistic friend
bright tide
Dude, did you miss "creative license"
swift moon
Realistic designs of the dinos are copyrighted?
bright tide
Are realistic designs of any animal copyrighted?
outer nebula
Um there hasnt been no direct evidence of utah having feathers tho
bright tide
It is one of those "if A and B had evidence of feathering, then C probably also had feathers" things
swift moon
before they had a model with feathers but apparently they changed it I imagine that the people who watched movies did not seem to them only is a suggestion if it seems good if they also do not come mods later
bright tide
I don't recall utah ever having feathers in this game. That belonged to rex, galli, austro, and theri
And the feathered rex was back before we even had progression mode
outer nebula
Also at the current moment it be kinda just for esthetic not actaully puting much into actual game play.
Yeah the tsl rex had them
swift moon
Utahraptor Was (Almost Certainly) Covered in Feathers
Befitting their kinship with the first prehistoric birds, most, if not all, raptors of the late Cretaceous period, like Deinonychus and Velociraptor, were covered with feathers, at least during certain stages of their life cycles. Although no direct evidence has been adduced for Utahraptor possessing feathers, they were almost certainly present, if only in hatchlings or juveniles—and the odds are that full-grown adults were plushly feathered as well, making them look a bit like giant turkeys.
bright tide
Feathers would require a new feathering system anyway
outer nebula
Yup
bright tide
I would rather the devs focus on getting the core of the game done before dumping money on variant models of one dino
outer nebula
And that would require more coding
And it cost around 5-7000 dollars for a new model
bright tide
with the quality nowadays I would bet more on 7-8k
outer nebula
Yup
patent spade
i dont see why it matters whether some long dead dinos had feathers or not especially when it comes to a game
bright tide
Plus there is the money paid into getting the animations done and then getting it into the game
outer nebula
Yup
bright tide
When all is said an done a new dino addition in total probably costs about 9-11k depending on what goes into it
They really aren't cheap @-@
outer nebula
Yup
swift moon
only can wait for the recode of the game
bright tide
Yep
sudden yew
I wish they would add feathers on dinosaurs Or at least make it an option
outer nebula
but the problem is not every dino had feathers
there be like only two dinos with that option
maybe four if you count gali and dryo
sudden yew
Well yeah I mean for the dinosaurs that did cause I think Realistic skins look better
outer nebula
yet again this game isnt realistic and yeah it be cool but unnecessary since they have to remodel it with feathers
sudden yew
Yeah I kinda mean like 1. I think feathers look better and 2. They would probably put the most work into the real skins
But yeah I do agree this ain't the most realistic game
lament thorn
feathers will likely be added along side the other cosmetic options but that probs wont be for a while as it is really not nessassary to the main game
bright tide
feathers require a separate system to function as more than just a texture on the model to which the devs would have to actually take time away from stuff more essential to the game to model, write up, and implement just to satisfy the relatively small portion of the community who "like and/ or think feathers look better". Ages ago the devs stripped feathers off most of them anyway because they had intended to add said new feather system when they got the chance anyway. Just gotta wait for it
sudden yew
Yeah I know it's not the biggest problem I'm just saying I would really love to see that
mellow maple
If we can have a feather option toggle, we should also get a lips and neutral hand position toggle too 👀
copper hull
vestal rune
it's not even that, austro isn't balanced for survival dinos 'caus it's a sandbox one
if it was a survival dino who was balanced with juvie rex in mind then ofc that wouldn't happen, but they only care about balancing survival dinos around each other
barren zephyr
@modern frost its not bigger than rex really
and why does it matter?
its BARELY bigger
aka longer
by a tiny bit
Also rex NEEDS the BB
to hunt stuff
especially against giga
grave karma
rex literally has a decreased chance of bonebreak against bigger things because of the fucked up weight mechanic