general-feedback-discussion

[gritty arrow]

i said sever owners not admins or normals

i rellly miss hypos

[barren zephyr]

I think I put 2 solid suggestions in there so HOPEFULLY we see them at some point. Would be great

[grave karma]

you can literally host your own dedicated session and be a hyper for free

since you technically own that dedicated server

[gritty arrow]

thats a single player

[grave karma]

it isnt

[gritty arrow]

yes

no one ever joins them

why do all the famous youtubers get hypos

give us hypos devs

well im hopeing isle adds more creatuers soon

cus recodes takeing forever

jk

probly comes out in september

im in the wrong channel ops

is there like a genral chat channel

[bright tide]

How about you just cool it and wait

Strains will come in due time when the mechanics and all the other junk needed to trigger them are done and implemented

[finite perch]

yeah #401464048610312195 @gritty arrow

@barren zephyr Body carrying is planned, and iirc de-segmenting bodies / gore / losing limbs is something the team is interested in, but no news on if it has worked yet. Body carrying however is technically already in the current version of the game, but its not available to players due to bugs

or like, some reason. some devs were seen using it

[barren zephyr]

Alrighty, i don't ever watch the streams/stuff. But yey :3

[finite perch]

its ok! thats why us NERDS can give you info on the discord lol

im trying to find the clip so y'all can see it, but i think it was taken from a streamer pov and not dondi's

[mellow maple]

@lapis solstice which species of cama tho

There's three

Rn we have C.lentus

Then there's Grandis and Supremeus

[formal vine]

@long heath para is suppose to live in the plains where apexes and other dinos cant ambush it. Para has 4 minutes of stam, it can outstam any godamn carnivore there is in this game.

[umbral tartan]

Para has great stam and run but that's it

[long heath]

Even then the speed is subpar.

Things that can easily kill it can also easily catch it, like Rex and Giga.

So to apexes, a Para is just an Oro but yields more food.

[bright tide]

I find it weird that the isle model made plateo a quadruped

They weren't actually able to move their wrist in a manner to allow them to walk on all fours

In reality they are kinda like a dryo/ theri hybrid

And they could exceed the size of both carno and dilo

As for their attacks they would probably just have a bite and a slap since the way their jaws worked left them with a mean bite.

[long heath]

The way the model stands could also be a reference point in something, maybe Dondi thought the arms were way too long to support a bipedal lifestyle.

[bright tide]

I don't know that Dondi had anything to actually do with the models past making sure Utah was cool lol. But their forelimbs were half the length of their legs

[long heath]

Regardless Plateo would bring something new to the table, as it is something entirely new and unique, model and stat wise.

No other creature on The Isle looks like a long necked horse.

Sigh I remember when The Isle was going for diverse species and not the cliche ones mostly everyone's heard of.

[bright tide]

To be fair, having a roster of 40 dinos would be a pain in the ass to balance as playables

Especially as new systems and combat stuff is added

[long heath]

True, but if Dondi knew what he wanted his game to be beforehand there wouldn't be as much backlash when someone's favorite dino doesn't make it to Survival.

[dim ore]

now now...this is what the isle needs to add......atopodentatus unicus!! a marine herbivore!!!

[long heath]

Considering they probably wouldn't exist.

That thing looks like an otter combined with a lamprey, why does Nature let these things happen.

[bright tide]

That thing doesn't look like it could even think about touching land

[dim ore]

thats why its called a marine......reptile

[long heath]

That's not a dinosaur, is it?

Yeah I figured.

Leave those weirdos to when marine life do get in.

[bright tide]

Why would we have a perma water locked creature

[long heath]

IF They ever.

[bright tide]

Deino isn't even perma water locked

[long heath]

Just very reliant because...you know, crocodile.

[dim ore]

they have a cronosaur model that they teased...

its a water locked animal

i imagine in future they want to add more

[bright tide]

Yeah, ages ago. We need to get the actual core of the game settled before we start shoving water locked creatures at them

[long heath]

That thing looks like it wouldn't be able to function alongside big boys like Krono, Mosa etc.

No wonder it's extinct.

[dim ore]

they are all extinct lol

[long heath]

S a r c a s m

[dim ore]

lol

[bright tide]

Hnnn, at this rate I don't know if we are even going to get more herbs

[long heath]

Stego.

And Camara.

HOPEFULLY

[bright tide]

Besides the obvious

[long heath]

Theri

Please.

[bright tide]

Theri was slated to be ai back at the start of survival and there has been no news opposing that since then

[long heath]

.

WHY

[dim ore]

is it true that dondi plans on removing shant? i heard it as a rumor...i hope its not true.

[bright tide]

Furthermore they would need to implement a new feathering system to even think about adding theri

[long heath]

Shant got thrown to the AI bin for...some obscure reason.

Once the feather system is done, I see no better representative of that system than Theri.

[dim ore]

i love shant so much , and so do loads of other people..i think it would be a terrible decision to take it or theri away..

[pale prairie]

PTSD, don't you remember how shants were back in prog?

[long heath]

So then just nerf Shant's speed.

Can't run anyone down anymore.

[bright tide]

Oh my god no

[dim ore]

no nono

no

[pale prairie]

and we have para which is just a smaller shant, we don't need shant in survival.

[dim ore]

that would be cruel

[long heath]

Or don't let it regenerate without resting, like Trike.

[dim ore]

shant is actually really good as it is

[bright tide]

Between trike and cama and stego I'd be forced to commit death if we got another snail's pace apex herb

[long heath]

A smaller Shant that also happens to be a complete pushover

[dim ore]

dondi is a smart guy...he can come up with better ways of making people play herbies corectly without removing them or nerfing the life out of them lol

correctly* lol

[long heath]

Therizino is such a unique member of the herbivores faction, its the only member of its genus in game, one of the few bipedal herbivores.

One of the biggest.

[bright tide]

Anyway theri was shit canned because at the time they wanted a tighter roster and when it came down to stego and theri they picked stego cause it was easier to give it a gimmick or something like that

[long heath]

And the only herb with feathers.

[bright tide]

Galli had feathers

[long heath]

HAD

[bright tide]

They intend to put them back with a feather system

Rather than making it just a weird skin texture

Or at least they used to, it is just one of those "we will see after recode" things

[long heath]

If Theri doesn't make the cut despite being one of the most unique, diverse and interesting members of the herb faction.

Imma go out on a limb and say Dondi has some misfit bias.

[bright tide]

Dude, Dondi didn't even want playable herbs

[random knoll]

no one likes herbi admmit it

they dont love us

[pale prairie]

dondi didn't want playable dinosaurs at first.

[long heath]

I like herbivores, I play them mainly because I don't want to be a Rex.

[dim ore]

i love herbies i play them more than carnis

[bright tide]

I main herbi and don't touch preds because they are boring as fuck to me.

[long heath]

Also because Herbivores can actually make friends.

[dim ore]

shant is my main

[random knoll]

i play herbis because less chance of gettign backstabbed

[long heath]

I also ALSO like playing herbivores because their builds vary instead of "two legged, short armed angry loud reptile with teeth"

[bright tide]

Anyway, of the three apex sandbox dinos, all three of them have buggy or janky nonsense that would have to get sorted out first anyway

[dim ore]

i love herbies because you get a social group and you actually get to nest, carnis rarely get to nest because bodies give so little food.

[random knoll]

theri is pretty good tbh

[bright tide]

Theri still has many issues

[long heath]

I don't see why Theri wouldn't be added aside from the herbivore bias.

All Theri's issues could be fixed.

[pale prairie]

nesting as a carnivore is actually really easy since food falls into your lap

[dim ore]

i dont find that to be the case generally, it might depend on the servers played on i guess

[long heath]

I like how carnivore mains say "Herbivores have it easy because their food is plentiful"

[pale prairie]

yeah, server population affects how AI spawns.
on servers with the recommended limit, 100 players, AI falls into your lap.

[random knoll]

at least ai calls in the rain

[long heath]

Uh no, the game currently holds your hand lmao

Hungry? Oh hey look a Psittaco, man that was a good Psittaco, oh boy an Ava!

[dim ore]

herbi can be hard to nest because you always are being forced to move if you are anything smaller than trike or shant lol

[bright tide]

I am more disgruntled about the fact that herbis are generally getting dick all when compared to the other factions

[long heath]

Yep.

[dim ore]

yes

agreed

[long heath]

Carnivores get unstoppable mutants.

[bright tide]

Mercs get guns

[long heath]

Humans get Mercs, Tribals and I don't really know if this counts but Cannibals.

[bright tide]

And fancy shit

[random knoll]

#401464048610312195 a bit

[dim ore]

you can see that far less time is put into them ...they dont get anything to look forward to ..no hypo herbies or anything

herbs get to look forward to being cannon fodder for the hypos and the humans..and the regular carnivores lol

[bright tide]

Well, strains were always a no for them. Doesn't fit into the lore and they would just be bigger bush vacuums that only other pred strains would fight

So I can understand that

But so far none of the suggestions made can be given just to herbivores as a unique feature

[long heath]

Yeah I think we should move to #401464048610312195

[random knoll]

yeah

[bright tide]

Ye

[dim ore]

yes i dont need them to be hypos per say..but something to continue progressing to would be nice...like elder herbivores maybe

[bright tide]

To dicussion we go

[random knoll]

lets move this to #401464048610312195 real quick

[indigo sun]

@low delta I assume you mean ETA (Estimated Time of Arrival) and not ATA (Advanced Technology Attachment) and ask you to please read this screenshot.

And also read the #rules-and-info, cause rule 9 says not to ask for ETAs

[outer nebula]

@barren zephyr they actually did have that once but it started to be an abused system,

[low delta]

ETA.. yeh... That's what i ment...sorrrryyy.... and i by no means ment like a fixed date... i ment more like in the next 6 month... or this year we plan to do this... no worries i can understand why you don't want to do ETA's ... keep up the good job... your work is amazing..

[outer nebula]

they have said a month time span but due to some real world issues they might have pushed it when they started the recode they say it would take almost a half year might be more

[ebon trout]

@low delta A roadmap would be nice I agree, It does not need dates.

[nocturne sonnet]

@umbral tartan i love your plateo its one of my favorite dinos but plateo was actually kinda big in the isle the dinos are alway their max size so for plateo would it be 10 meters and i love your tail swipe thing because it was an early sauropod and it could deal much damage

[hallow vigil]

@main sandal #general-feedback isnt the place to make bug reports (talking about your replay suggestion, I dont mean to be rude but its bascially "fix replay because its bugged", which isnt a suggestion, its a bug report)

[main sandal]

@hallow vigil ok

[hallow vigil]

ty

[oblique dust]

I know this is a late repsonse and that I've already said this like several times already, but in regards to herbies getting the short end of the stick and feeling so bad & boring to play right now, I feel like a lot of it has to do with the removal of global chat.

Like herding, migrating for food and all of the social aspects that made herbivores so enjoyable and unique to play kind of just... pretty much eventually dried up with the complete removal of global chat.

if they could get it back (albiet a more restricted version of it, maybe after the "base" affinity system is implemented into the game so that it doesn't result in mega-herds with like, 8+ adult trikes and stegos guarding a mixed herd,) then I think herbivores could see a comeback.

[ebon trout]

Join a herbie community unfun

Still lots of herbies herding around and having fun 😄

I do agree its harder to find them now. But we do exist

[oblique dust]

yeah but I feel as though I shouldn't need to join or use a server discord if I want to find an actual herd on an an official or populated server.

If I have to resort to using discord to find a herd, then IMO that's a sign that there's a problem with the game/herbivore faction itself.

This didn't use to be the case back in the day, before the whole Chinese mega-pack and mixed pack issues started getting out of hand.

Herbivore herds used to be significantly more common.

[ebon trout]

I get that, But to be fair you kinda need discord to group up as any dino.

Also i think the main "mega-packs" they were stopping was us Americans lol

[oblique dust]

using discord after meeting a new group of people is okay imo

but IMO using discord just to get the chance to meet people you should be meeting/coming across in-game is not.

[ebon trout]

I guess i can see both sides. I just know finding a solid community increased my enjoyment of this game by 10 fold. So maybe im a bit bias on the subject

[oblique dust]

Not to mention that herbivore carnivore populations were a bit more even-numbered back in those days.

[ebon trout]

Yeah the population numbers are very unfortunate for the herbi community atm I do agree with that sentiment

[oblique dust]

Of course carnivores did and always will outnumber herbivores just based on the fact that most people only assume that carnivores are cooler... but I would say back then it was like 55-60% carnivores and 40-45% herbivores.

Nowadays it feels like carnivores outnumber herbivores 4 to 1.

[ebon trout]

just 4 to 1? lol i think its worse ratio then that

[oblique dust]

Which really shouldn't be the case if the game's striving for some kind of ecosystem.

[ebon trout]

But do you think general chat would increase that population? Or would you have another suggestion for that?

global*

I have never played on officials with a global chat, and we used to have a very very solid herbie player base a few months ago. I just do not see the correlation

[oblique dust]

It's bad enough there are apex carnivores running about everywhere and kind of ruining the game for everyone else, and this has continued to be an issue ever since the Chinese playerbase learned to abuse water sources and the perks of a survival-based system over a progression-based one.

And yeah you're probably right; the ratio's probably even worse than that lol.

and I could see it helping the herbivore population right now at least.

[ebon trout]

What server do you play on unfun? Eu or US?

[oblique dust]

US

Sometimes, though I also play on non-official servers as well and I notice their population issues with herbivores aren't as bad

[ebon trout]

Gotchya, just wanted to make sure we are on the same page. Cus i know nothing of EU servers

[oblique dust]

still bad though, just not quiiiiiite as bad lol

[ebon trout]

The problem I have seen with alot of the herbi players kind of moving on, was a perception that the herbi community was supposed to just be food. That was the perception a lot of people got a couple months ago. I hope with recode and affinity system and such maybe this will lure some of them back I dunno but who knows

[oblique dust]

Yeah, seeing so many newer players (especially ones that don't really know much about dinos) assume that all herbivores are just meant to be seen as food/flight fodder kind of pisses me off as well.

like to be honest I've never perceived something like a trike, stego, theri, anky or camara/pue as like, "flight-response" food fodder

they're clearly meant to be fighters and defenders, which is exactly the role they played in mixed herds, back in the progression days

[ebon trout]

yeah herd protector is a fun role to play. I do agree 5 trikes in a herd was to strong. But while we are putting bandaid fixes on things waiting for recode i think they shoulda just reduced the number allowed in a herd instead of removing them personally. But what is done is done. We can only hope the affinity system and such changes it for us herbies

[oblique dust]

yeah, I'm also hoping that the weird trike rule is just pseudo-bandaid fix for now.

[ebon trout]

Some of the devs have stated things like that will hopefully be dealt with in game mechanics in the future. So there is hope

[oblique dust]

Yeah, I'm hopeful too, but we'll see

[barren zephyr]

seriously? why? because para is slow af and theri needs to be slower.

[indigo sun]

Theri isnt even balanced for survival though.

[barren zephyr]

okay?

[indigo sun]

Just say "bring para up to this speed and here's why" if you wanna change para's speed

Theri wont be touched though

[barren zephyr]

yeh but theri's speed seems like a good speed for para.

[indigo sun]

Not til they put it in survival anyway

[vestal rune]

@thorny lynx why?

[thorny lynx]

I was disappointed to find juvie pachy look like an adult pachy with bigger eyes and a smaller skull plate.

[vestal rune]

why?

[finite perch]

cuz pachy irl is a growth stage between three previously believed separate species, with dracorex being the 'adult', pachy being 'subadult' and stygimoloch being the 'juvenile'

its much the same for triceratops, where other species of wee little trikes were realized to just be juvenile triceratops

personally dracorex looks rad as fuck, but pachy didnt even headbutt things irl and isle doesn't swear to accuracy, but it would be cool to get bigger head thorns to represent dracorex a bit

[indigo sun]

@barren zephyr It makes no sense for the females to have the bright colors when they're supposed to be markers for sexual dimorphism that allows you to tell the difference without changing size and thus stats. It also wouldn't make sense because females in wild animals generally do not have the bright colors males do as males use bright colors and extensions of their body to show off for females in hopes of attracting mates. Regardless of the difference in location, it's sort of useless when the point of accent colors was telling the difference between male and female dinosaurs.

[barren zephyr]

There are animals/insects where it is the opposite.

[indigo sun]

and as for your second point, males will later be included and necessary in the nesting process, making them not useless

These arent insects.

if you could provide the animal species besides insects that have this, that'd be great.

[barren zephyr]

Eclectus Parrot. For a non-insect animal.

They have brighter colors as females than the males do.

[lament thorn]

the whole point it is to be able to tell them apart so why complicate that?

[barren zephyr]

If you read it, youd still be able to tell them apart.

[indigo sun]

Yeah, what bluewolf said. Also thank you for informing me on the ecletus parrot

[barren zephyr]

They'd still get to be fancy, but in different locations.

[lament thorn]

with your suggestion you wouldnt tell on first glance youd have to check out their entire body and learn which is which

[barren zephyr]

I gave an example that could be, not that it'd be the exact thing.

They could have the color detail come in on their underbelly, a completely different place.

[indigo sun]

Literally the only point for males to have the accents in the first place is telling them apart from females. Adding detail colors on females complicates this. It's unnecessary

[lament thorn]

if you want to be 'prettier' just be male and wait for the nesting update

[barren zephyr]

Shouldn't have to play "male" just to have a dino that has nice/bright colorings on it when there are animals in the animal kingdom that the females outshine color wise. And that's all I'm saying on the matter, not going to argue with yall. Going to disagree and move on.

[lament thorn]

I mean the females look nice

sometimes even better

removing the dimophism just because you want to be a bit flashier is just so odd

[finite perch]

males crests serve some important gameplay functions, especially going forwards. more female colors would be nice, but i think i would prefer an additional color slot on the body than a true-to-form crest

[bright tide]

So far the only thing male crests have done to impress me is how ugly they can make certain skin combos simply because they are unavoidable and you have to pick something if you want to be male

[finite perch]

wait until affinity is implemented, genes matter, traits can be passed on, ect

[bright tide]

=-=

Why does that sound like it is going to make the only dino worth having in the game are just nested ones

[finite perch]

I mean, there's upsides and downsides to being a created dino and being a nested one

[violet magnet]

you can make flashy skins without relying on the male accent colors

honestly i prefer playing female because most of the male crest colors just clash with my skins

[finite perch]

^ i only play females, getting the crest is a fun bonus

[grave karma]

so... promote afk growing even more?

[tender rampart]

I feel like if anything, it can help cut down on growing while afk since after you respawn you wouldn’t be a helpless juvi and be actually able to defend yourself against others, or be able to run away more easily

Plus I don’t see the problem in hiding and growing anyways. I don’t really understand the animosity of people with afk growing. Like, there’s no rule against it, you play however you want to play. And also what is a dinosaur gonna do while it’s in its juvi and fresh sub adult stages anyways? They can barely fight anything whatsoever so what’s the point in running around when you’re that vulnerable? It just seems like you’re asking to get killed to me. @grave karma

[grave karma]

and make the apex overpopulation even more of a problem?

it'd be even easier to grow apexes and revenge kill

[tender rampart]

My suggestion would work with ALL dinosaurs, not just apexes. So I don’t really see that as a problem.

[grave karma]

its already easy enough to grow apexes and get ai shoved into your mouth

[violet magnet]

so wait a minute, if I grew a dryo and survived on the map for like 5 hours then could I then put all that time towards a rex growth?

[grave karma]

it'd make it even easier

[tender rampart]

My guy, if my full grown rex died, and I respawned as a fresh sub adult in a RANDOM location, I don’t see that as a big issue either

[violet magnet]

it DRASTICALLY shortens the growth time

[tender rampart]

@violet magnet Nope, the time would only go towards the dinosaur you played as

[grave karma]

how is it not an issue?

[paper oriole]

How to double the already vastly inflated apex pop

[grave karma]

spawn as a half-grown apex, that can invalidate everything playable, and its not an issue?

[tender rampart]

If you can grow as a half grown ANYTHING it’s not really a problem. In my example I did use a rex, but it was an EXAMPLE. You could use my suggestion with any dinosaur and it would benefit them all

[violet magnet]

it would benefit them in bad ways, yeah

[paper oriole]

It working on apexes would make thr issue worse too

[violet magnet]

at that point it'd just be sandbox with growth

[tender rampart]

Isn’t that what it is already? 😂

[paper oriole]

If you cant handle losing a 6-7hr dino just dont play it

[tender rampart]

It’s not about “handling” anything

[paper oriole]

I notice that all these suggestions about sub afult boost use rex/giga as an example

Or midlife boost

[tender rampart]

You just have to realize that many of us work full time jobs and have families to take care of or have other things to do in life, BUT ALSO really enjoy playing The Isle as well. And it does suck to lose a 6 hour dinosaur when you don’t have as much time as others to play the game as much as you would like

[random knoll]

then play utah

or something that isnt a long growth

[paper oriole]

^

Or play on a sandbox lmao

[tender rampart]

Well that’s not really a fair point to make

[random knoll]

wut

[tender rampart]

Cause many want that survival experience, just don’t have as much time as others to play

[random knoll]

then play somethign that dosnt take as much time

like most of the mids

[tender rampart]

What about the people that want to play as Trike, giga, or rex?

[random knoll]

grow it over a few days

if you dont have time

[tender rampart]

Yeah that’s what my suggestion is aiming to help out in

[random knoll]

its not hard to log out

and grow it over time

you dont need a suggestion for being smart

[paper oriole]

Play on one of those pussy servers that gives free sub grows

[tender rampart]

So that after you die after making it to the final stage, you don’t have to spend the same amount of time for your next life only

[random knoll]

what youre suggestions is not that

no

bad

just spend the damed time

its not hard to find a nice wuite spot to grow adn then log

adn thne get back in

[paper oriole]

Sooo make it easier on the rex and giga players that already overrun any populated server

Just no

[random knoll]

yeahh

just log out if you dont have tim

[tender rampart]

I’ll use your logic

[random knoll]

then log back in when you do

[tender rampart]

Then play as rex

Then play as giga

[random knoll]

?

[tender rampart]

If you’re so mad about apexs

[random knoll]

ok cool so i find a spot and grow to sub

[tender rampart]

Then just play as them

[paper oriole]

Lmao

[random knoll]

and then log out

then i get back in and grow more

[paper oriole]

Im saying there are too many

You arent "using my logic"

[random knoll]

yeah

nah

[violet magnet]

"mad about the number of apexes, just play one"

[random knoll]

seems legit

[paper oriole]

Just make the problem worse? Genius idea

[tender rampart]

Just because you guys have much more time on your hands to play and it doesn’t affect you as much, it doesn’t mean it’s not affecting many of the people that play the isle

[violet magnet]

i mean i could grow a rex and go on killing sprees where i murder every other apex i come across but ain't got time or patience for all that

[random knoll]

i dont have time

i have school

but guess the fuck what

LOG OUT IS A FUCKING THING

[paper oriole]

I cant feel bad for a salty rex main

[random knoll]

like how hard is this to understand

just log out once youre time is up on growing

[tender rampart]

Yes log out is a thing but the game isn’t very fun when you have to grow for hours in order to get to the final stage and arguably the most fun stage

[paper oriole]

Then go play sandbox

[tender rampart]

My suggestion aims to mitigate that by just a little

[paper oriole]

"Just a little"

[random knoll]

no

just log out

its not hard

if you wane grow something that takes time

[paper oriole]

As in pushing the vulnerable stage out of the way for rex

[random knoll]

do it in sections if you dont have the time

[tender rampart]

The devs can always change the numbers, like let’s say only keep 30% instead of 50% in the time bank

[random knoll]

no

just log out

its not hard

if you dont have the time

use the fuckign mechanice that lets you keep youre dino safe

[tender rampart]

It can push out the vulnerable stage for ANY dino, not just the rex

[random knoll]

and then get back in when you have time

[violet magnet]

rex and giga and trike are the main concerns because they are killing machines whose population is (kinda) controlled by the vulnerable stages

[tender rampart]

I don’t think that’s a good way to keep players engaged, because I feel that many players leave the isle because they get tired of the growth times

[violet magnet]

no vulnerable stages means more rexes and gigas and trikes

[paper oriole]

Rex and giga mostly, fukin hell i hear like 50 rexes within 5 min of joining an official

[tender rampart]

If we could have a way to mitigate that, then maybe the isle could retain more of its playerbase

[paper oriole]

We dont need them getting free boost if they die

[tender rampart]

It’s not really free because you have to grow to full adulthood first AND THEN keep surviving after that

[random knoll]

ok so you chose a dino that takes a long time to grow

and now you wane make it les

cuz you dont have time

....no

log the fuck out

this sint hard

you chose a dino that takes a long time

[paper oriole]

Just go play on a server with free juvie skips or play sandbox instead of trying to inflate the apex problem more

[random knoll]

and is stille asy af to grow

[tender rampart]

So you wanna spend more countless hours aimlessly growing? Aight dude that’s all you if you wanna waste your time 😂

[grave karma]

[random knoll]

yeha cuz that how long the dino takes

u fucking dummy

if you chose a dino that takes 6 hours why the fuck should it be less

its so easy to grow its sad

[paper oriole]

Lmao thats a part of the game, if you dont like it then boo hoo i guess

[tender rampart]

Cause you earned it by surviving a long time

[random knoll]

suriving isnt hard

[tender rampart]

Maybe for you it isn’t

[paper oriole]

Esp as apex

[random knoll]

dude

go to the back of the mpa

sit

profit

or even better

low pop back of map profit more

[tender rampart]

Here’s the thing, you basically just admited to sitting in a certain area while growing right? If my suggestion was a thing, people could skip that by a certain degree and be more active

[grave karma]

what

[random knoll]

because its the easitest way

are u briand ead?

i might be oof

bruh people sit at the back of the mpa because its safe

its just the easiest way to do it

[tender rampart]

That means that for hours you’d be sitting and growing and doing nothing, that also adds to people being bored cause they don’t see as many other players running around as they would want. If you could be more active from the get-go it would add more activity to the game, making it more exciting IMO

[random knoll]

ok listen

[paper oriole]

Just play

[random knoll]

you dont have to do that

[paper oriole]

A diff dino

[random knoll]

its just the easy way

you cna walk around

[grave karma]

you want a new mechanic to make growing apexes easier, while you could just be utah or something

[paper oriole]

Seeing a rex every 2 minutes is not exciting

[random knoll]

this inst hard to understand

[grave karma]

seriously, either grow an apex over a few days or just pick a dino that takes less to grow

[tender rampart]

Do you guys read? 😂 My suggestion would work with ALL dinosaurs not just apexss

[random knoll]

YEAH WE KNOW

but apexes is a problem

[paper oriole]

It would worsen the apex problem because sub rex is a very viable dino too

[tender rampart]

Then suggest something else to fix it

[random knoll]

bruh

[tender rampart]

Don’t just sit here and argue over a suggestion 😂

[paper oriole]

Not doing it at all

Bam

[random knoll]

so you admit youre suggestion is flawed?

[tender rampart]

I don’t think it’s as flawed as you seem to think, no. I AM open to other suggestions that can help improve upon it though

[grave karma]

ok

suggestion: grow a utah or dryo

[paper oriole]

Just play sandbox where you dont need to grow lol

[random knoll]

suggestion: grow any dino that takes an hour or less

[tender rampart]

But that takes away from the people that want to play survival

[violet magnet]

get nested in

have a fun play experience

[random knoll]

play something that only takes a few hours

[paper oriole]

Well having 70 rexes on a server depletes the quality of the game for everybody else

[violet magnet]

instead of sitting on the fringes of the map growing to adult and also avoiding death because juvies are useless

[random knoll]

play dryo or some shit and annoy people

[tender rampart]

If you get nested in then you have to spend even more time growing, and that goes against my own suggestion so idk about that

[random knoll]

grow a dino that isnt as long growth time

simple

or grow a dino over a few days

[tender rampart]

And now that takes away from the people that want to play as apexes

[random knoll]

grow over a few days

i just said that

[paper oriole]

Well theres too many of them

[random knoll]

youre growing a powwerfull dino that takes time

you cant just skip it because aww my i dont ahve time

just do it over a few days

grow when youre able to

[tender rampart]

And that is exactly why I feel like you should be rewarded if you spent ALL that time AND you survived for longer

[random knoll]

surivivng isnt ahrd

its so easy

[tender rampart]

That’s subjective to your own view of surviving

[random knoll]

it is

[tender rampart]

Some people have a very hard time

[random knoll]

if youre a carni ai spawns on you

and buhses are everywere

then they aint meant to be playing a surival game

[grave karma]

the only times you can really starve are while raining

[random knoll]

its a surivival game not a ...please hold my hand because i cnat grow

[grave karma]

even then, you can just log out and wait for it to stop raining

[random knoll]

waa wahhh i cant grow hold my hand

no stop

[grave karma]

play sandbox if you dont want to grow

[paper oriole]

Sit in a safe zone on some snowflake server

[tender rampart]

All my suggestion really does is help out on your NEXT life. It’s not really doing anything else for you

So it’s not really as big a deal as you guys make it out to be

You’re just saving some time that’s all

[bright tide]

The whole point of this game is that it is a difficult horror survival game. Of course the punishment for death is starting over from the beginning. Time crunches are a pain yes, but that is the whole thing about apexes. You need to actually work to get them and the bulk of that work is done growing from fresh spawn juvie into sub into adult. Short cutting apexes right into sub adult when the lower tiers lack a mid phase entirely and half growth would still be juvie state which would break all levels of survivability. Further more it punishes the people just joining or who haven't survived that long because they are still forced to be juvie. Imagine spawning in as a fresh juvie and then short cut apex fresh spawns on top of you. You don't live in that scenario, you just die

[random knoll]

its a damed surivival game

its not meant to be holding youre hand

[paper oriole]

Nope it makes it vastly easier for apexes to jump right back in after dying, especially rex who has a very good sub stage

[bright tide]

Giving apexes any level of easement will only make their already hideous overpopulation worse

[paper oriole]

Suggestion: just dont die lol

[random knoll]

suggestion: get gud

[tender rampart]

@bright tide The devs could implement spawning areas that are meant for people that have the shortcut

That way that problem can be avoided

[random knoll]

its a fucking survivial game

[bright tide]

More code and more work that would just break the ecosystem

[tender rampart]

It’s not really hard to just change a spawn point

[bright tide]

Spawn point no, writing up a system to recognize and track and apply the short cut system and which spawn points are actually valid, yes

[mellow maple]

Spawn area? tho I personally would like to get closer to my friends, and if something killed me in that area, I wouldn't like to spawn in that area to get killed again lol

[paper oriole]

Suggestion: implement Rawge's free snowflake grow but when it is used on an apex they are spawned 50 yards in the air

[bright tide]

Sounds like a call back to the old v4 days lol

I almost miss those busted spawns, they were both crushing and hilarious

[tender rampart]

@bright tide The game has been in beta for years so, what else is waiting another week or two to implement a system like mine 😂 🤷🏻‍♂️

[paper oriole]

Suggestion: each time an apex uses the free snowflake grow every rex on the server gets legbreak

[bright tide]

Dude, they have at least fifteen projects that have better impact than a shortcut system

Why should they even bother to add something that makes the game easier

[tender rampart]

Because they’re losing players because of it?

[bright tide]

bah

[tender rampart]

Because people won’t even buy the game because they dontwant to spend pointless hours growing? 😂

[random knoll]

survivial

[bright tide]

Facking hell this is pointless

[violet magnet]

...that's the game, tho

[random knoll]

this is so fucking stupi

[paper oriole]

Acfivity is down because people are waiting on updates not because they are salty about apex growth being too long

[tender rampart]

I’m really saying this for the good of the isle 😂. And at the end of the day it’s only a suggestion in the pile of hundreds others that will probably get overlooked by the devs anyways

[bright tide]

Look dude, the game is survival. Hard survival. Do you want to go back to progression times? Cause god damn I can tell you allll about wasted time and effort with progression

[paper oriole]

And of somebody quits because they are too shit or too impatient to grow a rex then good riddance

[tender rampart]

So with that, I leave you now. Because I gotta get up early in the morning. Goodnight y’all 🤘🏻

[random knoll]

fucking hell

[bright tide]

Getting a rex back then took literal days. Days to even play the rex

Now you can just pick the juvie and grow as one

[random knoll]

people are leaving because there waiting for recode you li...

[paper oriole]

Just another thick skulled rex main, who woulda thunk

[bright tide]

Don't have to fight through hours of playing weaker tiers that usually get killed or starved out just because someone managed to afk better than you anymore

Just pick and play and go

[violet magnet]

mask the suggestion as good for everyone when it would result in unending hordes of apexes

[jovial moss]

throwback to progression theri and having to grow progression pachy first

[bright tide]

Like herbivores got a goddamn blue flower handicap back then and it was still hard cause preds would camp flower fields

[violet magnet]

||i kinda miss prog tho tbh, just the greater variety in the ecosystem instead of juvies and sub and adult apexes all over the damn place||

[bright tide]

I like being able to play what I want to play

[paper oriole]

Wait lmao, Raw upvoted his owm bad suggestion LOL

[bright tide]

There was nothing more frustrating back then than almost getting that dino you want and then dying and having to be an oro all over again

or taco

or velo

[jovial moss]

Yeah prog was really fun

back when all herbies could talk to each other

[bright tide]

But survival has easily shaved hours if not days off of getting that dino you want because all you have to do now is grow

[jovial moss]

the isle rn is just hide in a tree for 5 hours simulator

[bright tide]

yeah, but it was that way back in prog unless you were an herb. Then it was either afk or sneak to a blue flower patch and find the glitched flower for endless free pp

Preds tended to just camp in a bush and wait out the timers until they actually needed food

The velo wars were hilarious though

[jovial moss]

Well I mostly play herb so 😛 especially back then

didn't know how carnis grew since I was always herding it up

[bright tide]

Well, preds didn't have freebie pp flowers to farm and their hunger was set so that they would have to fill up at least once in order to last the time needed to prog.

Otherwise they would starve and lose points

And since velos couldn't really kill anything back then other than other velos or oros/tacos - the later of which they rarely found since a quick trip to a flower patch meant fast t2 herbs - you would often see velo packs disintegrate from desperate in fighting if they couldn't scavenge lol

That sort of process was pretty much repeated every tier until you reached apex

[jovial moss]

Was this flower thing near the end of progression's lifetime? cuz I don't remember it

I stopped playing for a few months during prog and came back to survival

[violet magnet]

near the beginning

[bright tide]

It was implemented on original v3

[violet magnet]

i played before survival was a thing but never had to deal with the growth flowers

[jovial moss]

[bright tide]

They started on original v3 as super rare flower patches for herbies to fight over

Then v3 broke and you had entire tiles covered in progression plants

Then they carried over to v4 where they spawned in set places on the map

They weren't necessary for survival, but they made progressing to the next tier happen faster if you were able to sneak to the flower patches and eat up

They followed into R2, but once survival was going to be added none of the maps after had them

I also don't remember if they were on the redwoods map because I never really played that one

[grand solstice]

tbh i just miss the herbi food variety from v2 and old v3 , idk if the dossiers you can find are officials or fan made but all the infos there are refered to old v3 times where most of herbis had a certain plant to eat

[limpid dove]

I remember back when Galli had to eat an entire field of flowers/plants to even fill up.

Waaayy on R2

[mental sleet]

@burnt fern affinity is likely to be saved between lives, so at least if you missbehave severely as an animal you can't just die to have it reset, in fact, suiciding via methods such as drowning HITS REALLY HARD on affinity.

Not sure if affinity is shared betweens servers as we don't have that much info about it.

[barren zephyr]

@barren zephyr I think so too but of course the pachy also have to brake austros and herreras bones

@barren zephyr
they one shot those dinosaurs.

[normal fern]

@nocturne sonnet what is your suggestion?

[nocturne sonnet]

That IT Not only Breaks legs of Utah and dilo but mid Tier too

[oak shale]

@nocturne sonnet pachy shouldnt be able to break a suchos leg

[nocturne sonnet]

Omg then not sucho Leg but the Others

[umbral prairie]

it would make sense that it at least fractures the other dino's legs, but I don't think it really needs it.

the mid tiers are all slower, except carno who is easy to juke

maybe cera and carno could get slight bb from pachys since they are somewhat similar in size

so not the current, completely crippling bb

but a slight debuff

after the bb rework

[languid tundra]

I have scientific evidence for my suggestion

[barren zephyr]

it is true

i heard about dinosaurs being extinct cause of the lack of sex lakes

JK dont strike

[languid tundra]

[jovial moss]

If the BB rework is gonna work like bleed as in it stacks, and the higher BB stacked the worse the BB, then Pachy should definitely break mid tier bones (cera, and less effectively allo and carno)

[grave karma]

why carno less so?

[oak shale]

Hell a pachy breaking an allos leg is pushing it tbh

[grave karma]

probably only smalltiers

[oak shale]

Lol a pachy charging a dilo should do more than break a leg

[heavy dragon]

What the fuck is This camara nesting suggestion about.

[jovial moss]

It should be the thing pachy is best at. Even it's main predators are risking themselves because of its high BB output, I mean if a 1300 kg animal rams anything with its battering ram head, it's gonna break something. It'd just be less destructive against something bigger, like allo, compared to literally blasting utah off into space

[grave karma]

@heavy dragon too big to walk, a hilariously wrong book about sauropods being too big to do many things and relied on water to walk/mate (the suggestion was probably a reference to the "sauropod sex lakes")

[heavy dragon]

OK so it's a joke suggestion.

[finite perch]

no, it was once a theory that sauropods needed lakes to mate but it was thrown out by paleontologists pretty quickly

it used to be a rule in some servers though, if i recall

[grave karma]

sauropod nesting in lakes

[neat flicker]

The team will never kill a dino because of old age. It wouldn’t make sense or be fair to kill a dino because you’ve been able to survive. There will be some type of scar system to indicate a old dino or battle scarred dino but nothing to negatively affect game play for surviving successfully

@pulsar badge

[pulsar badge]

Okay didn't think about that. Really sorry.

[neat flicker]

No need to ever be sorry for putting out a suggestion!

[valid flower]

@pulsar badge No point in growing and surviving then.

[indigo sun]

That was already discussed.. there wasnt much of a need to bring it up again when OP literally just said that

[valid flower]

Didn’t see it

[paper oriole]

ah shit, here we go again

lmao it immediately gets deleted

[neat flicker]

[paper oriole]

GiGa ShOuLd Be SpEeDy BoI

[rotund bane]

not really speedy boy but like 1-2kmh would be nice regardless cerato needs an eye of his ambush speed way more than the giga needs

[paper oriole]

yeah cerato i can agree with, he needs a lot of things improved

giga on the other hand isn't in need of a speed boost

he is more than capable of hunting mid tiers and escaping rexes if he spots them at range

[grave karma]

🤦 wrong, giga needs speed buff to 45 km/h sprinting 50 km/h ambush

imo giga shouldnt outspeed dibble tho

[viral creek]

How fast would that make diablo then?

[paper oriole]

swap diablo and herrera speed

[bright tide]

.> if giga was buffed to 45 sprint/ 50 ambush, it would sprint faster than a maia

and its ambush speed would catch gallis

[grave karma]

and?

[bright tide]

if diablo was faster than giga in this case I would be fine with that

[grave karma]

make dibble 48 km/h

[paper oriole]

my only real concern is how would the dinosaur players counter a tank

just get blown up from 5000km away by a tank lol

"lol bro some maias are nesting over there get the TANK"

[sweet zephyr]

Well

A tank is overkill

But what about the hypers armor

[paper oriole]

i mean maybe a tank could be really rare for the mercs like a hypo is for the carnis

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah

I mean like, could a hypo stop this

[paper oriole]

guess it depends on the merc's aim mostly lol

[sweet zephyr]

APFSDS is made out of depleted uranium

[paper oriole]

"whoops i shot the tip of its tail" it is a good counter for them i suppose

[sweet zephyr]

The world's most densest material

Maybe

[paper oriole]

i hope mercs have the capability to get powerful stuff but not like, run around wiping herds/packs kind of stuff, it should be a big challenge to get

[sweet zephyr]

I mean

[paper oriole]

and they should be careful on how they use it

[sweet zephyr]

There could be objectives

Protect herds

Kill carnis

But the humans are super weak in this game

[paper oriole]

if there is an excessive amount of certain dinos 'upsetting the ecosystem' that could be an objective, whether it's carni or herbi

[sweet zephyr]

They have no health

[paper oriole]

tho if we're honest herbis will never be overpopped lmao

tbh i like humans starting out weak af and having to work their way up in a difficult setting, adds to the horror feature to be something so weak and slow as a human, rely on numbers and teamwork and stealth

[sweet zephyr]

But humans are underpowered in health, understand that

If you got bad aim

And that dinosaur gets you

It's over

[paper oriole]

humans realistically would be getting oneshot by gallis and i hope when mercs start out they can get oneshot by gallis until they get better gear

[sweet zephyr]

Today

We do have Amazing armor

Body armor

[paper oriole]

work from something as weak as that to something that can shoot a rex in the face with some level of confidence

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah lol

But, the tribals

They could kill the mercs

And steal the weapons

[paper oriole]

if i cant run in and absolutley gut a fresh merc as a galli i will be disappoint lol

[sweet zephyr]

I mean like

[paper oriole]

tribals should be able to loot guns and use them as blunt weapons that have a chance to fire in a random direction when used

thatd be great

[sweet zephyr]

Take it back to the 6 ton mobile vehicle

If youre in that

A galli won't do jack squat

[paper oriole]

yeah and armoured vehicles should be a challenge to get

but still obtainable obvs

[sweet zephyr]

I mean

The machine gun could be the hard one

[paper oriole]

it'd be a little busted if it was easy to get hands on an armoured vehicle, maybe a more average vehicle would be easier and work up

[sweet zephyr]

Or

There could be abandoned vehicles

With gasoline tanks

Fill that bad boy up

Boom

[paper oriole]

hnnn if the tanks have to be recovered and refilled it could be a good system

[sweet zephyr]

But

Tanks don't run forever

They need ammo

[paper oriole]

i meant the gasoline tanks

[paper oriole]

but yea also tank tanks

[sweet zephyr]

Oh

[paper oriole]

to upkeep ammo and fuel on larger weapons so mercs are more careful on how they use them rather than nuking random herds or packs for fun

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah

[paper oriole]

and also have to worry about terrain hazards since dinos themselves wont be able to do much against the tank

[sweet zephyr]

But

Tanks bogdown

[paper oriole]

something like a utah could probably manage to climb on and would have to be gunned off by a merc which would be a risky thing for them too

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah

But, 59 tons of steel on the ground isn't easy to handle

The vehicle will sink into the ground

It'll get slower

[paper oriole]

yea theyd have to be careful maneuvering it

[sweet zephyr]

Yup

[paper oriole]

watch out for those ditches and dropoffs lol

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah

But now days, tanks have the engine power to get out of that

[paper oriole]

hnn something i also really want but will probably not happen is a dino getting into the front seat of a vehicle and being able to 'drive' it but not control it lmao

[sweet zephyr]

Oh yeah, here's the tank that could be added.

[paper oriole]

for nothing other than the hilarity of a dryo smashing a jeep into a lake

[sweet zephyr]

Yeah but

Jeeps

They're fast

[paper oriole]

ah yes good acceleration for when a dino crams themself in and starts it up on accident, sending the vehicle flying forward in a trail of destruction

[sweet zephyr]

Lol

Doesn't it need a key though?

[paper oriole]

well maybe thatll be encouragement for mercs to not leave the vehicle on when they exit it ehe

[sweet zephyr]

Maybe

I gtg

[paper oriole]

i also want tribals to go full ooga booga on guns if they manage to get a hold of one

[sweet zephyr]

I'm gonna sleep

[paper oriole]

aight

[sweet zephyr]

Let's discuss more tomorrow

[paper oriole]

gnight

[sweet zephyr]

Good night

[lament kayak]

@paper oriole i'd like to see a utahraptor fire a rifle like an ape from planet of apes

Or a dryo 4 call while steering a car into a tree

[paper oriole]

hypo utah dual wielding guns

lmao when i imagined the vehicle theft i was picturing a dryo screaming while driving into a lake

[lament kayak]

That 4 call would do well

[paper oriole]

god i hope they make use of all the possibilities

[indigo sun]

It's like bearbox and ratguzzler all in one

[barren zephyr]

@trim cargo giga did not run 50kms dumbass

Ugh

hate the 50km giga paleomeme so much

“This will make a fine addition to my collection”

[viral creek]

i can't tell if it's serious or not

either way

it is meme material

[indigo sun]

I cant tell either and it's making me tear up

[trim cargo]

@barren zephyr Quick google search, giga ran at 50 kmph

[viral creek]

google lol

[barren zephyr]

This is amazing

[viral creek]

wait

[indigo sun]

...dont automatically trust wikipedia, please and thank you.

[viral creek]

oh god is he serious

[umbral prairie]

🎣

[barren zephyr]

[viral creek]

oh shit it's unclebearbox

[indigo sun]

I'd like you to please consider balance for the entire rest of the fucking game before making dumbass suggestions. Don't just focus on two things and fuck everything else over because of it. Use your brain.

And clearly you dont understand how giga and rex hunt.

[barren zephyr]

50km giga is bruhh af

[umbral prairie]

I really doubt that you are serious, but if you are, here. 1.Giga running at 50km/h is outdated. 2. basing a dinos strength on how good it fights against the apex that is supposed to be good at brawling (rex) is dumb. 3. if giga ran at 50km/h in game it would kill everything there is except rexes. That is unbalanced. 4. why would giga drown rexes? It doesn't have that strong of a neck or jaw for it's size, it didn't live a semi-aquatic lifestyle, it just doesn't make sense.

[indigo sun]

Lets make giga the fastest thing in the entire game, screwing over the actual things meant for running and also just about everything else that doesn't run as fast. Yep, makes sense. Totally feels like youre using a brain there.

[barren zephyr]

anyway whos bearbox

[indigo sun]

The dipshit who first suggested 50 km giga

Or well, the second to latest one

[trim cargo]

@umbral prairie i am serious though, but i undrstand were you are getting at but rex seems too strong

[umbral prairie]

Rex has a really slow trot and doesn't regen stam while doing so. Giga has a very fast trot and regenerates stam while trotting. Rexes ambush is fast, but very short, so it needs to get very close to even catch the giga. If you let a rex too close to you, that is your own fault, since then you allow rex to do what it is good at. If you see a rex as a giga, you can literally trot away from it, and if it were to run at you it would either run out of stamina before reaching you or you would just run for a bit and it would also not catch you.

[indigo sun]

DID YOU CONSIDER ANYTHING OTHER THAN REX/GIGA???

[barren zephyr]

This is incredible

[indigo sun]

At all?

[trim cargo]

but it is a game so y not add some cool features like that?

[indigo sun]

Answer my question.

[trim cargo]

let me read 1st

[barren zephyr]

i cant believe this guy..

[umbral prairie]

rex really isn't too strong. It's attack is strong, yes, but that is the one thing it does good. It is supposed to be good at brawling, it is a powerful ambusher with the downside of trash stamina. Rex can kill everything in-game 1v1, but only if it gets really close without getting noticed. It also has the downside of a slow alt turn, so it can be killed by packs of dilos and utahs

[indigo sun]

If you considered literally anything other than those stupid fatass apexes that barely have the right to exist honestly, you'd see it was a stupid idea.

[umbral prairie]

giga cannot kill rex in a clean 1v1 because it is supposed to be bleeding things out. You run in, bite a couple of times to apply bleed and run away again. It doesn't really need to do that with any dino because of it's very high damage (lower than rex, but very high for something that is supposed to be a bleeder), but that is what gigas intended playstyle is.

[trim cargo]

well apexes are the only ones worth playing but i guess i should consider others too

[umbral prairie]

so it is really not a thing of imbalance if giga doesn't kill rex in a 1v1

[trim cargo]

but arent the small dinos fast?

[indigo sun]

Yes. YOU SHOULD. BECAUSE THERE'S LITERALLY ONLY TWO APEX CARNIVORES

I dont think anything is faster than 50 km

Except possibly, slightly carno

[umbral prairie]

the other dinos can be a lot more fun actually. You can form bigger packs, plan ambushes, you don't have to grow for 6.5 hours

[trim cargo]

Im kind of new to the game so if u could help explain everything that would help

[umbral prairie]

and, I know this sounds dumb, but it is nice to fear something

so you have to be weary of your surroundings

[indigo sun]

How about you play the game and all the dinosaurs and look at actual stats and hunting styles before you make any sort of balance suggestions, yeah?

[trim cargo]

@umbral prairie thank u for being kind i learned a lot already

[indigo sun]

You cant make a balance suggestion without considering anything other than two things. You need to consider how this affects the animal's interactions with other things in the game, not just one other thing.

[trim cargo]

@indigo sun yea i guess so but where do i find the dino stats then??

[barren zephyr]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LNIsS0NXxledmO4sYN8v7dmx5AnHIslJloyhKI9kKv8/edit#gid=0 @trim cargo

[trim cargo]

thank u

[indigo sun]

There's a stat sheet available somewhere, I can try to find it real quick, but asking in #401464048610312195 generally helps cause someone's got it. And beyond looking at stats, play the animals.
Or fuck, thanks arcialga

Goddamn i'm too slow

[trim cargo]

@indigo sun why is maia faster than utah? I heard weight makes dinos stronger too isnt that a little unfair and unrealistic for utah to be smaller and slower? i read over the sheet a little

[barren zephyr]

maia is broken creature yea

it 3 shots a utah and dilo and is faster than dilo

[trim cargo]

really? thats crazy

how am i supposed to play utah if maia can just kill me so easily? :(

[indigo sun]

If youre on officials, there's a low chance you'll even run into a maia unless theres an event

[barren zephyr]

"unless theres an event" lmao that is so true

had maias camping docks last time there was a hypo there

but thats offtopic.

[trim cargo]

@indigo sun oh good to know then

[indigo sun]

Yeah, herbivores got fucked so people stopped playing them

[trim cargo]

what do you mean?

[viral creek]

You'd be surprized by how many people ignore how god tier maia is, just because he's a herbivore.

[indigo sun]

Apexes are easy as fuck to grow, you put literally no effort in, leading to such an overpopulation that herds cant move five feet without getting murdered by a full apex pack. And the midtiers cant defend against apexes because trikes arent allowed to mixherd anymore. So yeah, no one plays herbivore unless theres an event

Because there's no point in trying to survive as one when its almost a guarantee that you'll get murdered by an apex not long after growing up

Fortunately though, the future should bring harder to achieve apexes, which will make it so not 85% of the population is an apex and we'll have an actual ecosystem

[viral creek]

I don't think it's specifically the apex's fault

[indigo sun]

Not specifically

[viral creek]

Herbivores are fully capeable of running

[trim cargo]

wow i am learning a lot. once again i didn't know this

[indigo sun]

It does cause a lower chance of herds even existing though

[barren zephyr]

apexes take long to grow but that doesnt mean difficulty

you can easily join a server when the server pop is low and go sit on top of a mountain and have ai spawn on you

ai increases for the player the lower ppl are on which is fucked

[trim cargo]

i havent grown an apex yet XD

maybe i just need to practice more

[indigo sun]

Just sit in a remote corner by water and youre fine

[trim cargo]

ok!

[indigo sun]

Not that i reccomend it. You should actually work for your dinosaur. But it works for right now so, eh.

[valid flower]

They need to do something about the trike, it’s horrible atm

Takes so long to grow and you can get ur ass kicked by some pack of apexes with in seconds

And ur slow af, therefore u have no option but to fight. You can’t run

I’d say that trike is the worst apex atm. Needs to get reworked, especially the stomp. It’s useless and slow.

[grave karma]

trike is easily the worst apex

[valid flower]

Exactly, it’s horrible atm

Weak and slow

A giga can just bleed you out as a trike cause of the horrible bleed resistance and heal. The giga can heal off a trikes horn attack with in a minute while ur there sat down bleeding to death for 5 full minutes from just one bite from a giga

And a rex can just face tank a trike which is unrealistic and horribly unbalanced

[barren zephyr]

A lot of things are unbalanced and need work, trike included, but they can’t change anything until after the recode

[valid flower]

I’m aware of that

[barren zephyr]

Well you said “they need to do something about trike”, which implies that you want it changed rn, so I wasn’t sure

Also “worst apex atm” makes it seem that way

Because it refers to current balance

[valid flower]

Well I kinda obviously meant it after the recode since that’s the only update we will get soon

[barren zephyr]

It wasn’t obvious because not everyone knows about recode, and the way you phrased made it seem like you wanted it changed now, it doesn’t matter tho the issue is resolved

[valid flower]

Well it’s their fault for not knowing about the recode,even if I wasn’t talking about the recode , what’s the problem?

Just discussing something

[bright tide]

It is likely trike won't feel as bad off with the new mechanics as rex and giga can't just phase through them anymore and avoid stomps not to mention they said they reworked bleed and bone break so damage trading will probably be different than it is now

[valid flower]

Yeah hopefully that will solve it

[valid elk]

@trim cargo Tyrannosaurus is an endurance predator. Giganotosaurus is not.

[umbral prairie]

other way around, in game at least

[valid elk]

Giganotosaurus just needs to be faster than its prey, where young Tyrannosaurs would run them down.

And Giganotosaurus is not an endurance walker. Tyrannosaurus would walk further and longer. Hell, probably was good at running when it was fully grown

[valid flower]

I feel like rexes should be faster in trotting than gigas

[umbral prairie]

not in game

[valid flower]

And gigas being faster in sprinting and ambushing

[umbral prairie]

that's not what their niches are

[valid flower]

I’m talking about balancing

[umbral prairie]

it doesn't make sense though

[valid flower]

Rex is dog shit slow at trotting rn

[umbral prairie]

rex is supposed to be a powerful ambusher

[valid flower]

well

ye true

[umbral prairie]

giga is supposed to trot shit down

[valid elk]

I mean...if you mean in game, yes. If you mean irl, like I was talking about

[umbral prairie]

that's why it isn't quite as good at sprinting

[valid elk]

Then no.

[umbral prairie]

jerry was talking about in game I think

[limpid dove]

Old trike discussion: trike should be a last case scenario for any carnivore apex. Its horns should be a lucky chance to 2-3 shot a full grown rex or giga, whereas right now it takes 12ish hits. Trike is something other apex carnivore are supposed to fear.. but here we are, a fodder apex.

And that stomp should do severe damage as well. A high chance at a broken bone and some nasty wounds

I mean, it's got that 8 ton weight, imagine a fair amount of that being shoved into you with that stomp and stab - since their stomp is considerably 2 in 1.

[ionic comet]

I agree, trike needs a buff

[limpid dove]

Not even a buff but a rework

A rex 5-6 shots a trike, but by the time the trike gets one stomp in, its leg is broke and has to rely on its goring animation... in which, itll die anyways.

[umbral prairie]

stomp is a stupid attack

also trike needs collision/locational

[limpid dove]

It's got insane damage though

[umbral prairie]

then it will be next to invincible from the front to other apexes

[limpid dove]

If trike stays where it's at but gets location, rexes wont fuck with a trike

If you're a rex facetanking a trike, you're gonna die in 2 hits with locational

And it's got decent turn radius as well, so going from behind will likely get you hurt too. I still dont think that a trike getting 5 shot by a rex is fair, at all. But hey. Whatever

[umbral prairie]

I'd like an attack that just rams the horns straight forward, be it a charge attack or just a button to hold while sprinting to keep the horns straight. gore would do few damage but good bleed because it slashes open the surface, and the other one would rely heavily on locational and do insane damage when hitting the chest or head because it stabs through to the organs

[limpid dove]

Bone break would be the end of all carnivore apexes if trike got it

If it's got those sharp horns and its charging at something, like you said, I wouldn't be shocked if that busted a bone or even killed on impact

That's 8 fucking tons hurdling your way with massive spears in its head

[umbral prairie]

yeah that's why it would have to rely on locational

[limpid dove]

I wouldn't fuck with that. No thanks

Lol

[umbral prairie]

a trike stabbing a rex in the head or the ribs should kill it

[limpid dove]

Yup

A sub trike would be an easier meal choice but it would still hurt like a bitch

[dapper mirage]

to be fair, all thats really necessary to make trike viable is buff its bleed heal incredibly, to about maia level.

[limpid dove]

Yeah

[dapper mirage]

then giga cant hunt it. which it shouldnt be able to do in the first place.

[umbral prairie]

yeah a sub wouldn't stab deep enough to kill things if it hits the ribs (except things like cera or carno)

[valid flower]

Yeah I was talking about ingame idc about irl

[limpid dove]

That's the only buff itll really need for when locational damage is in play

[dapper mirage]

that will make it purely a rex meal, requiring damage to take it down.

[limpid dove]

Even rex wouldn't want to fuck with it though, like I said, a ladt case scenario

Last*

[dapper mirage]

im not going to get into changing giga, because thats a whole different ball game.

[limpid dove]

Yup

[umbral prairie]

rex should have to ambush trike to kill it

or outnumber it

[limpid dove]

People go fucking haywire about buffing giga

[umbral prairie]

so it can get the neck

[valid flower]

A rex should actually use its brain hunting a trike

Right now they don’t

Cause it’s ez

To kill a trike as a rex

[limpid dove]

Everyone is facetank

[valid flower]

exactly

No mechanics or smart plays

[limpid dove]

Nope

[valid flower]

trike is garbage

[limpid dove]

Not yet

[valid flower]

And I love trike

[limpid dove]

Cant wait for the new combat to come into play. People are gonna play like garbage and expect to be the king of the hill.

[umbral prairie]

it would be a funny sight to just see a rex running toward a trike and just running straight into the horns

then the trike backs off and just leaves the rex laying there

[valid flower]

That’s what they do now

[umbral prairie]

with collision I mean

[valid flower]

Every rex player underestimated everything on their sight

unterestimates*

oh

[vestal rune]

oh my fucking god, why do people want a sleep mechanic so bad?

gameplay issues > most effective way of playing is hiding in a bush and doing nothing

[blazing charm]

More reasons to afk grow ayy lmao

[vestal rune]

let's add a mechanic that makes that easier and encourages it

ye precisely lmao

[blazing charm]

Why make the game more fun when you can just add stuff that's borderline RP bait.

[vestal rune]

BoB did it and if the isle doesn't BoB will kill it

[finite perch]

as much as i like sleeping being high risk = high reward, i just don't see it being in the isle in the endgame

four factions trying desperately to pop their mega-huge strongboy, often at their own expense but only to stave the other factions from doing it first? nah im gonna sleep

[vestal rune]

assuming herbivores are gonna have a mega-huge strongboy endgame

[finite perch]

to be fair the only bigboi endgame for mercs is bigger guns yeah? they don't got strains or colossus or anything

[vestal rune]

well ye, but they can get hyper killing weapons

I'd count that as big boi endgame

[paper oriole]

herbis get to be a gore pile for their big boi endgame

[grave karma]

herb endgame rn is being a trike burger

[viral creek]

Everything gets to be a gore pile for their endgame

nothing ever lasts forever

[paper oriole]

lucky herbis get to be gore piles faster because they are getting ignored as carnis and mercs get BIG STRONK

[viral creek]

I mean to be fair

I don't want hyper herbis either

maybe something else

but idk wtf they'd do

[paper oriole]

i dont really want hyper herbis, but it'll be shit if they get nothing to counter

herbi population is already dying

[mighty girder]

the only current strain for herbs that would actually make sense (very loose sense) is Neuro. Having an anti-human Herb doesn't sound game breaking really, and Neuro doesnt seem like a strain that needs to hunt persay as far as I know.

The whole Elder concept is a good idea too, but it'd have to be done super carefully

[grave karma]

why would para break a jaw

[oblique sluice]

@valid elk Dilo and allo crests can already be red?

[valid elk]

I meant as an animation

They would flush red

[oblique sluice]

Why, i mean, even stego will not have that

[valid elk]

Just a suggestion

[paper oriole]

make all eating noises sound more messy morelike

[native nebula]

no

[paper oriole]

):

i want wet sucking and slurping and grunting when an herbi eats a bush

[finite perch]

this pairs well with 'maia sniffing and eating sounds are too sexual, please remake'

[paper oriole]

i mean may as well go all the way, maia already moans when it drinks

make predators too uncomfortable to attack a maia as it moans and slurps on a bush

[finite perch]

😔 i dont know how to tell you that's not normal, fam

[paper oriole]

embrace the facts

[pulsar lake]

Don't miss with me but a vore system could be cool!

I would like to be eaten by a Rex alive or eat something alive!

Ik for a lot of people it's a shitty suggestion compared what I have done in the past lol

[vestal rune]

why the fuck do people want their kinks in this game?

it's worse than mating animations

[indigo sun]

firefish, i think it was a joke, came from meme channe;

[vestal rune]

joke suggestions are illegal

[finite perch]

so what'll it be, a real vore suggestion or a broken rule... 🤔

[indigo sun]

real vore suggestion, suck it up, better than the scat fetishists

[pulsar lake]

It's a joke but not a joke

I'm a vore fetishist

So for other people it's a joke but for me, I would like to see that in game !

[grave karma]

awez would really love vore mechanics

imean what

[mellow fox]

So basically if it's a joke

strike

If it's genuine then it's vore talk and...

strike?

[barren zephyr]

“I would like to see vore in game”

[mellow fox]

Like, I am fine with big animals like Rex and Giga instakilling animals below Carnotaurus size and swallowing then whole... Eating them AFTER killing them

But keep vore out of this game

✝

[pulsar lake]

[vestal rune]

you're fine with them instakilling them after killing them?

what

[barren zephyr]

I just don’t understand you didn’t even have to say vore...

[pulsar lake]

A kill animation so

[mellow fox]

Brainfart moment, let me edit that

[vestal rune]

lol

[mellow fox]

Fixed

[bright tide]

@keen trail are you asking for, like, an actual update right now or just new information about the recode?

[keen trail]

info, or a new update, i guess either'

specifically info, but hey a new update is fine by me

[bright tide]

Well, the info would be only thing we could get at this point

Patching an update to the current code would a step backwards

As well as just one more thing they have to redo in the recode

Which would mean having to wait longer

[edgy furnace]

vore system

can i just ask

what the fuck?

[bright tide]

you know what the really dumb thing is? vore isn't even a real word

[viral creek]

it's uh

[indigo sun]

Not on its own, no

[viral creek]

part of a word

[bright tide]

It is either a word fragment in the form a of a suffix or it is the short form to vorarephilia, it in and of itself is not actually a word and people use it as a damn verb or noun

hnnn, but what is the point in fussing anyway. The whole English language is fucked up beyond measure anyway

[indigo sun]

It means "one that eats" which gives it a meaning on its own technically and sometimes english does just take half or less than words and turn them into things. Language is not simple, and things can be borrowed or turned into slang. Original meanings get forgotten

[finite perch]

when someone is horny, nothing matters. not even grammar

[indigo sun]

When someone speaks a bastard language, nothing matters. Not even grammar

[bright tide]

Grammar is an illusion in American English

I kid you not, there was a kid in my college English class that wasted an entire class period fighting with the professor because they were adamant that "Ain't" is an actual word

[finite perch]

vernacular is a bitch

[violet magnet]

today's word is: Pedantic!

[thorn wagon]

@trim cargo Utah already doesn’t have to hit pachy too many times too kill it. As for pachy being weak in comparison to a raptor of equalish size, a charge to the ribs or legs with that dome could mess smaller things up hard

[indigo sun]

@trim cargo 1.) Utah may die to pachy in about three hits, but it also has comoletely shit bleed resistance and the pachy would die from like 1 or 2 bites from the utah. 2.) What youre suggesting is pretty much just locational damage, certain areas doing damage more when hit, which is already planned. 3.) Some semblance of balance needs to be had among small tiers so making any one severely weaker than the other isnt great. We really dont know jack shit about how pachy actually lived beyond knowing its skull was a basic way of hitting things so i'd say the general idea of "1300 kg thing ramming into you is gonna hurt like hell" is okay for getting an idea of its strength and ability to beat the shit out of things regardless of IRL hunting.

[thorn wagon]

Strike said what I said but better

Listen to him

[indigo sun]

Pachy's a whole 300 kg more than utah currently, even though weight wont be factored into combat sometime in the future.
And I gotta ask, did you try out the fight on a sandbox server a few times or base your suggestion solely on the spreadsheet?

[bright tide]

Actually I've heard of people dying in one bite to them even when they are 90% grown

So yeah, that suggestion is rather self defeating unless pachy gets a serious resist/heal buff

[languid tundra]

Oh so your strike

[trim cargo]

i played a little bit on sandbox but i always seem to die to pachys no matter what ☹

[indigo sun]

Are you trying to stay on them and bite them or do you hit and run and dodge?

[bright tide]

the only thing you have to do against a pachy is fly in, bite, juke, and let the pachy do the work for you

[thorn wagon]

^

[bright tide]

Utahs don't face tank, they kite and ass ride when possible

[trim cargo]

but wouldnt a pachy break there neck if they tried headbutting a utah?

[thorn wagon]

If you get a bite and bait the pachy into trying to run you down he’ll bleed himself out

Do rams break their necks from ramming each other?

Which is probably harder than a Utah

[mellow fox]

You can also run away as an Utah and jump on a crate or rock to escape the encounter if you cannot handle the 1 v 1

[indigo sun]

Thats not at all relevant cause nothing's gonna break its own neck thatcs completely useless to the animal when thats its only defense.
Again. There needs to be some semblance of balance, and whay Deinonychus said

*what

[languid tundra]

[indigo sun]

This isnt some super realistic dino game, so not everything is gonna go in cause "this happened irl," because balance needs to exist.

[bright tide]

Pachy was built to headbutt and use their skull as a means of defense. They even found evidence of lesions on their plates caused by by fighting with other pachies because they rammed each other so hard that they gouged the surface of the plates

[thorn wagon]

Imagine you were playing as maia and you go to head butt a Utah attacking your friend and suddenly you just drop dead because you snapped your neck

Hell maia probably would be at a bigger risk of neck snapping than pachy

[bright tide]

That much force slamming into a utah's hip would leave them for dead if you wanted to be realistic about it

[thorn wagon]

^

Be glad pachy doesn’t 1 shot Utah or at least cripple you into not being able to move dark, that would be your realism

[trim cargo]

i dont think utahs should die that fast still even if its not very realistic

[bright tide]

That is why they die in three hits and not one

[thorn wagon]

Lemme try to find you an example

Brb